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[20:00] <BobWestbrook> Hello friends! :)

[20:00] <tryChrist> Shalom Bob

[20:00] <BobWestbrook> Shalom Miller!

[20:00] <Netia19> Allyn sent it to me

[20:00] <BobWestbrook> Hi Netia!

[20:01] <Netia19> hi BOB

[20:01] <tryChrist> ok, I was just wondering. I like to keep track who comes and goes. I love feed back pro or con!

[20:01] <tryChrist> How are you doing Bob?

[20:01] <Netia19> my email is missmolly727@aol.com

[20:02] <BobWestbrook> Doing very well, thanks!

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[20:02] <BobWestbrook> Hello Marion!

[20:02] <tryChrist> missmolly! Got it :)

[20:02] <Netia19> are you safe

[20:02] <BobWestbrook> me, safe?

[20:03] <Netia19> yes you

[20:03] <MarvBMar> Hi Bob & everyone

[20:03] <BobWestbrook> I'm in Tampa FL, which is rather safe :)

[20:03] <Netia19> Hi

[20:03] <tryChrist> Howdy !! Marion :)

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[20:04] <BobWestbrook> Hello, Patricia!

[20:04] <Netia19> oh i thought you lived in Isreal

[20:04] <IMBPatricia> Hello Bob

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[20:04] <tryChrist> Howdy Pat :)

[20:04] <BobWestbrook> Nope, Stan does, but I can only dream of it for now :)

[20:04] <IMBPatricia> hello

[20:04] <tryChrist> Howdy Allyn :) :) :)

[20:05] <IMB-Seeker> Howdy back Miller :)

[20:05] <Netia19> please frogive the mis spelling

[20:05] <MarvBMar> Shalom seeker

[20:05] <IMB-Seeker> Hi Marion

[20:05] <Netia19> hi Allyn

[20:05] <IMB-Seeker> And that must be Karen Marie

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[20:05] <BobWestbrook> This should be, I think, quite an interesting session tonight - the Lord has shown me some things today in the Scriptures

[20:06] <MarvBMar> great

[20:06] <BobWestbrook> Howdy Bez!

[20:06] <tryChrist> waiting on edge, Bob

[20:06] <Netia19> yes and i told my boy frien no datescon fridays untill after your study

[20:06] <IMBPatricia> I just finished reading the recommended Scripture verses

[20:06] <tryChrist> Howdy Bez :)

[20:06] <IMB-Seeker> :) Karen

[20:06] <Netia19> hi

[20:06] <Bezalel3> 2Hi Miller

[20:06] <IMB-Seeker> Hi Bez

[20:06] <BobWestbrook> Good Patricia! That will be helpful to you as we go along

[20:06] <MarvBMar> Patricia I didn't know we had the scriptures

[20:07] <MarvBMar> Hi Bez

[20:07] <Bezalel3> 2Hi Marion

[20:07] <BobWestbrook> I want to get started right away - Patricia, could you lead us in prayer first?

[20:07] <Bezalel3> 2Hi Seeker

[20:07] <Netia19> I am big time

[20:07] <IMBPatricia> Sure Bob

[20:08] <IMBPatricia> 6Heavenly Father, we lift this night to you in prayer

[20:08] <IMBPatricia> 6we ask for your Holy Spirit to show us what you are saying in these times...

[20:08] <IMBPatricia> 6bless each one hera to have an ear

[20:08] <tryChrist> Thank you Ftaher that we are able to come together in Your Son's Name

[20:08] <IMBPatricia> 6to hear what the Spirit of God is saying

[20:09] <IMBPatricia> 6and may your love prevail in all we say here tonight

[20:09] <IMBPatricia> 6In the name of Jesus, shine your light upon us now. amen

[20:09] <IMB-Seeker> Amen

[20:09] <Netia19> Amen

[20:09] <Bezalel3> 2Amen

[20:10] <BobWestbrook> I'm a bit hesitant to even offer what I'm going to say tonight, because I don't want to step beyond what is reasonable interpretation of the Scriptures, but it certainly seems to me that in these chapters, there are details about Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and even the United States

[20:10] <BobWestbrook> And the doom of Ramallah

[20:11] <MarvBMar> amen

[20:11] <IMBPatricia> 6yes

[20:11] <Netia19> Father bless Bob

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[20:12] <MarvBMar> Bob last week right after our study I saw Grant Jeffries talking about the distruction of Iraq too

[20:12] <IMBPatricia> 6it is interesting because I was led to those verses back in Nove 25,26, 2001

[20:12] <BobWestbrook> First, some background info - we know, without doubt, that the country of Jordan is going to be a target of Israel in this era, at the same time when Israel is fighting against the Palestinians, from Isaiah 11

[20:12] <tryChrist> Howdy Jen :)

[20:13] <BobWestbrook> In conjunction with this modern return of Israel,

[20:13] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV) In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. {12} He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth.

[20:13] <Jen1945> Hi everyone

[20:13] <BobWestbrook> It says this:

[20:13] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 11:14 NIV) They will swoop down on the slopes of Philistia to the west; together they will plunder the people to the east. They will lay hands on Edom and Moab, and the Ammonites will be subject to them.

[20:13] <Netia19> hi jen

[20:13] <BobWestbrook> Hi Jen!

[20:14] <IMBPatricia> 6(got that word april 10)

[20:14] <IMB-Seeker> Shalom Jen

[20:14] <BobWestbrook> We've looked at that before, but I just wanted to remind everyonge - Edom, Moab, and Ammon is the modern country of Jordan

[20:14] <IMB-Seeker> TY

[20:14] <BobWestbrook> The chapters that we are going to look at tonight, Jeremiah 48-50, strongly parallel Isaiah 15-17

[20:14] <BobWestbrook> in some cases, even the same wording is used by both writers

[20:15] <IMBPatricia> 6yes

[20:15] <Jen1945> Bob, Is Edom any part of Saudi Arabia?

[20:16] <MarvBMar> do you mean prophetically Patricia

[20:16] <IMB-Seeker> they must have been filled with the same spirit

[20:16] <BobWestbrook> perhaps a little piece Jen, not much if any

[20:16] <IMBPatricia> 6yes

[20:16] <BobWestbrook> Both Isaiah and Jeremiah take a considerable amount of time and ink describing a lament for Moab

[20:16] <IMBPatricia> 6yes very lengthy

[20:17] <BobWestbrook> What's interesting if you read the commentaries is that they say these events had partial fulfillment at the time of the Assyrians

[20:17] <BobWestbrook> during the era of Isaiah

[20:17] <IMB-Seeker> and what is your take on that Bob?

[20:17] <BobWestbrook> But, Jeremiah wrote some 100 years later much of the same things

[20:18] <BobWestbrook> My take is that this is one of those near/far prophecies, but with no clear historical fulfillment of most of it

[20:18] <BobWestbrook> meaning, it is yet future

[20:18] <IMBPatricia> 6I believe that Bob

[20:19] <tryChrist> so Jer was not speaking historically

[20:19] <BobWestbrook> One thing that is striking as your read both Isaiah and Jeremiah is the degree of sorrow involved with these events - refugees fleeing in horrid conditions crying out in despair

[20:19] <BobWestbrook> Nope, Miller, he was not

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[20:20] <BobWestbrook> Please bear with me tonight - I'm trying to put this together in some semblance of an orderly presentation :)

[20:21] <IMBPatricia> 6we are with you Bob

[20:21] <IMB-Seeker> were all ears Bob..so take your time

[20:21] <Netia19> you are doing fine Bob

[20:21] <Jen1945> Bible in hand, Bob

[20:21] <DiamondLil2> Hello, did I get in, this is my first time have been following chat logs for a year

[20:21] <BobWestbrook> Both Isaiah and Jeremiah mention quite a few specific places on the east bank of the Jordan

[20:21] <Bezalel3> 2Welcome, Diamond Lil:-)

[20:21] <Netia19> welcome

[20:21] <BobWestbrook> Welcome, Diamond! We are thrilled that you are with us! :)

[20:21] <IMB-Seeker> your here Diamond

[20:22] <tryChrist> it was not long ago that i was having desperate feeling for such an event. mostly women and children fleeing in despair. the men were gone.?

[20:22] <BobWestbrook> And the other newcomers as well

[20:22] <Jen1945> Beautiful name Diamond Lil, welcome

[20:22] <DiamondLil2> Hello and God Bless, this is so exciting, I will probably just listen alot!!

[20:22] <MarvBMar> Welcome Diamond

[20:22] <IMB-Seeker> we too :)

[20:22] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Miller, both of those prophets, though seeing that the devastation is the Lord's doing, were caught up in the emotions of lamenting the sad fate of those people

[20:22] <Netia19> join the club

[20:23] <IMB-Seeker> We like to hold Bob to a full hour :)

[20:23] <BobWestbrook> :)

[20:23] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 48:2 NRSV) the renown of Moab is no more. In Heshbon they planned evil against her: "Come, let us cut her off from being a nation!" You also, O Madmen, shall be brought to silence; the sword shall pursue you.

[20:24] <BobWestbrook> I would assume that the "her" they are planning to cut off from being a nation is Israel

[20:24] <IMBPatricia> 6referring to which verse?

[20:24] <BobWestbrook> Though Jordan is today ostensibly a "moderate", pro-western country, the grassroots sentiments are much different

[20:25] <DiamondLil2> what book are we studying tonite or should I say chapter?

[20:25] <BobWestbrook> Jeremiah 48-50, in conjunction with Isaiah15-17

[20:25] <IMB-Seeker> BRB k?

[20:25] <tryChrist> k

[20:25] <BobWestbrook> I'll not try to do this verse by verse, but as you read it yourself you will get a feel for the tone of it

[20:26] <Netia19> ok

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[20:27] <DiamondLil2> thank you

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[20:27] <BobWestbrook> Here's one interesting tidbit: if we assume these are talking about modern events, events about to take place, in more than one place Jeremiah describes the "gods" of that country being taken into exile along with their religious leaders

[20:27] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 48:7 NIV) Since you trust in your deeds and riches, you too will be taken captive, and Chemosh will go into exile, together with his priests and officials.

[20:28] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:3 NIV) "Wail, O Heshbon, for Ai is destroyed! Cry out, O inhabitants of Rabbah! Put on sackcloth and mourn; rush here and there inside the walls, for Molech will go into exile, together with his priests and officials.

[20:28] <Bezalel3> 2There goes the US riches...

[20:29] <tryChrist> and be replaced by.....

[20:29] <Bezalel3> 2Along with the Dept. of the Treasury (the priests)

[20:29] <BobWestbrook> Molech and Chemosh were the "gods" of that country - could this be an illusion to the demise of Allah? This war that is coming up will be viewed by those with spiritual insight as Yahweh vs Allah

[20:29] <BobWestbrook> Jordan is an officially Islamic country

[20:29] <IMB-Seeker> Not to interrupt, but for any who want, you may go to http://CrossingJordan.net and click on IMB Chat and then on the link that opens up Chat and a bible reference window at the same time

[20:30] <IMBPatricia> 6didn't people sacrifice their children to molech?

[20:30] <tryChrist> this whole middle - east war has been just that

[20:30] <BobWestbrook> yes, Patricia - that's another parallel

[20:30] <IMBPatricia> 6thought so

[20:30] <BobWestbrook> Muslims sacrifice their children to Allah just as the ancients did to Molech

[20:30] <IMBPatricia> 6yep

[20:31] <DiamondLil2> every news reporting always states this is not a religion issue, boy are they blind

[20:31] <BobWestbrook> And, that kind of behavior was, according to the Bible, one of the main reasons why God "vomited out" the Caananites from the land

[20:31] <Jen1945> very note worthy

[20:31] <Netia19> thank you seeker

[20:31] <IMBPatricia> 6yes

[20:32] <BobWestbrook> In both Isaiah and Jeremiah, we see hordes of frightened, fleeing refugees, which is probably a combination of Palestinians fleeing Judea and Samaria, and Jordanians

[20:32] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 48:19 NIV) Stand by the road and watch, you who live in Aroer. Ask the man fleeing and the woman escaping, ask them, 'What has happened?'

[20:33] <BobWestbrook> Aroer is the region of Amman, Jordan, the capital

[20:33] <Bezalel3> 2Quick question, Bob. Who is Daughter of Dibon?

[20:34] <Bezalel3> 2Jer 48:18

[20:34] <Jen1945> Bez, what verse?

[20:34] <BobWestbrook> I'm looking - the paraphrase "The Message" phrased that in interesting way....

[20:35] <BobWestbrook> still looking - thank you for your patience :)

[20:35] <tryChrist> the feelings and thoughts (daydreams) i was having were women and children clothed in black, heads and faces covered?

[20:35] <MarvBMar> Dibon was the capital where king Mesha reined

[20:36] <BobWestbrook> Ok, here it is:

[20:36] <MarvBMar> sounds like palistinians Miller

[20:36] <BobWestbrook> See if anyone comes to mind

[20:36] <BobWestbrook> "Come down from your high horse, pampered beauty of Dibon. Sit in dog dung."

[20:37] <Bezalel3> 2Queen Rania and Mrs. Arafat?

[20:37] <BobWestbrook> When I read that, I thought of Queen Rania

[20:37] <IMB-Seeker> GMTA

[20:37] <IMBPatricia> 6sounds right

[20:37] <tryChrist> ? i don't know. but their attitude was desperation as they walked single file through desolate lands (desert)

[20:37] <DiamondLil2> me too

[20:38] <Bezalel3> 2Thanks, Bob.

[20:38] <Bezalel3> 2I didn't mean to waylay your train of thought.

[20:38] <BobWestbrook> :) It's rather fragmented at the moment anyway :)

[20:39] <Bezalel3> 2Good, then I only further the confusion, didn't create it...:->

[20:39] <BobWestbrook> On my website, there is an animated map that might help you picture some of the places described here, based on Isaiah 15

[20:39] <DiamondLil2> 6this may be a dumb question, but who is Moab?A people or city?

[20:40] <Netia19> not dumb

[20:40] <BobWestbrook> Moab is a region in what is today the nation of Jordan

[20:40] <IMB-Seeker> I think Both

[20:40] <BobWestbrook> it corresponds roughly to the area from Amman southward, east of the Dead Sea

[20:40] <DiamondLil2> 6Oh, I see, thanks, I have trouble in the Old Testament with all the names of cities, which are different now

[20:40] <BobWestbrook> North of Biblical Edom, south of Ammon

[20:41] <BobWestbrook> all on the east bank

[20:41] <BobWestbrook> Here's an interesting verse that gives a little insight into why God is doing all this:

[20:42] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 48:27 NIV) Was not Israel the object of your ridicule? Was she caught among thieves, that you shake your head in scorn whenever you speak of her?

[20:42] <Bezalel3> 2Pre-1900 territories???

[20:42] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 48:29-30 NIV) "We have heard of Moab's pride-- her overweening pride and conceit, her pride and arrogance and the haughtiness of her heart. {30} I know her insolence but it is futile," declares the LORD, "and her boasts accomplish nothing.

[20:43] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 16:6 NIV) We have heard of Moab's pride-- her overweening pride and conceit, her pride and her insolence-- but her boasts are empty.

[20:43] <IMBPatricia> 6almost the same

[20:43] <BobWestbrook> Elaborate, Bez :)

[20:44] <Bezalel3> 2She was caught among the Ottoman, Roman, thieves....parceled out for their own purposes....

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[20:44] <Bezalel3> 2Mark Twain's widely quoted Travels Abroad commentaries on the region should a lot of scorn...

[20:45] <Bezalel3> 2showed vice should

[20:45] <BobWestbrook> Good! Thanks for the insight :)

[20:45] <BobWestbrook> Welcome dmsDon!

[20:45] <Bezalel3> 2YW (Blush)

[20:45] <dmsDon> thanks

[20:45] <Netia19> hi Don

[20:45] <dmsDon> yo

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> I hope all of you realize that some of the things I am proposing tonight are highly speculative, but with that liberty, consider this:

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> This is what the LORD says: "Look! An eagle is swooping down, spreading its wings over Moab.

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:22 NIV) Look! An eagle will soar and swoop down, spreading its wings over Bozrah. In that day the hearts of Edom's warriors will be like the heart of a woman in labor.

[20:46] <IMBPatricia> 6yes

[20:46] <IMB-Seeker> thats us?

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> Here is a scenario:

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> We understand, from Psalm 83, that Iraq and Jordan will join forces in this next war

[20:47] <dmsDon> ok

[20:47] <BobWestbrook> Jordan is the country through which any Iraqi armies would have to travel to get to Israel

[20:47] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Seeker, it could be us, as in US

[20:47] <dmsDon> yep

[20:47] <Bezalel3> 2Yes, and are pressured by Iraq to allow their passage.

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[20:48] <IMB-Seeker> they could get there by air if we put in a well placed bomb...:)

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[20:48] <tryChrist> Jordan is willing?

[20:48] <BobWestbrook> If Iraq attempts to pre-empt any attack from the US by first sending his "Jerusalem Army" westward

[20:48] <Netia19> Bob will the Chirstains be gone whe this happens

[20:48] <BobWestbrook> Not necessarily, Netia

[20:49] <DiamondLil2> oops got kicked off, back now

[20:49] <Netia19> this willl happen pre rapture

[20:49] <IMB-Seeker> wb

[20:49] <BobWestbrook> Perhaps Saddam might think that by using "human wave" tactics like in the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-1988 he could overwhelm any potential response

[20:49] <BobWestbrook> I'm not good on the timing questions, Netia :)

[20:49] <BobWestbrook> And if that happened, the US air response would be massive

[20:50] <Netia19> sorry

[20:50] <BobWestbrook> Hence, the "eagle swooping down" over Jordan

[20:50] <Bezalel3> 2Also, that could provoke Israel into using their WMD.

[20:50] <dmsDon> yiks

[20:50] <BobWestbrook> which would in itself (massive bombing) cause a lot of devastation and sorrow in Jordan

[20:51] <BobWestbrook> no need to apologize, Netia - those are good questions, I just don't have good answers :)

[20:51] <IMB-Seeker> Bob..It sounds as though the USA is going to let this happen

[20:51] <MarvBMar> Bob , what kind of army does Jordan have now?

[20:51] <dmsDon> sounds feasable to me

[20:51] <BobWestbrook> Not a very formbidable one, Marion

[20:51] <BobWestbrook> formidabkle

[20:52] <MarvBMar> I didn't think so

[20:52] <BobWestbrook> oh well, you get the idea :)

[20:52] <MarvBMar> yes!!!

[20:52] <Bezalel3> 2:->

[20:52] <Netia19> Bob you are doing finr

[20:52] <BobWestbrook> thanks :)

[20:52] <dmsDon> i can't imagine getting through this crises without somone going nuk

[20:52] <Jen1945> It's okay, we understand Bob

[20:52] <Netia19> most welcome

[20:52] <BobWestbrook> Right, Don, and the next verses are relevant to that

[20:53] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:23-24 NIV) Concerning Damascus: "Hamath and Arpad are dismayed, for they have heard bad news. They are disheartened, troubled like the restless sea. {24} Damascus has become feeble, she has turned to flee and panic has gripped her; anguish and pain have seized her, pain like that of a woman in labor.

[20:53] <DiamondLil2> I agree, on both nukes and Bob doing a good job!!

[20:53] <BobWestbrook> Just as in Isaiah 17, the demise of Damascus is described here

[20:53] <BobWestbrook> it will "cease to be a city" according to Isaiah

[20:54] <Bezalel3> 2Interesting. So you think Hizb'allah may join in with Iraq in this diversion....

[20:54] <DiamondLil2> Damascus is Syria right?

[20:54] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Damascus is the capital of Syria

[20:54] <dmsDon> there are currently terrorst traing camps in Dam..... correct?

[20:54] <BobWestbrook> yes, Don, quite a few terror organizations are based there

[20:54] <dmsDon> yiks

[20:55] <Netia19> Diamond you knoe more than you think

[20:55] <BobWestbrook> Hezbollah is more affiliated with Iran, but when it comes to the destruction of Israel, they are all on the same team

[20:55] <IMB-Seeker> but wait..I just heard yesterday that the king of Jordan and King of Syria have been talking peace for the region..not war..does this fit...?

[20:55] <DiamondLil2> thanks this is fun learning

[20:55] <IMB-Seeker> Sarchasim

[20:56] <BobWestbrook> talking peace? Does an Assad even know what that word means?

[20:56] <Bezalel3> 2That's why I asked, Bob. Interesting that Iran-based group would throw in with Saddam

[20:56] <BobWestbrook> :)

[20:56] <dmsDon> how.... prerapture is this...?

[20:56] <IMB-Seeker> you mean like fater like son?

[20:56] <BobWestbrook> Tomorrow? The next day? Next month? Next year? I dunno

[20:56] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Seeker

[20:57] <BobWestbrook> In the context of the Damacus verses, Jeremiah says this:

[20:57] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:25 NASB) "How the city of praise has not been deserted, The town of My joy!

[20:57] <BobWestbrook> This is, obviously, a reference to Jerusalem

[20:58] <BobWestbrook> "has not been deserted" - Jeremiah is apparently marveling that in the midst of all of this chaos Jerusalem is not being touched

[20:58] <Bezalel3> 2Has NOT been deserted....:-)

[20:58] <BobWestbrook> right

[20:58] <BobWestbrook> :)

[20:58] <tryChrist> we obviously cannot get caught up in todays news being tommorows reality when God can do anything !!!

[20:58] <dmsDon> ... how many of these prophesies are to take place before the rapture? the 7 year peace treaty...

[20:58] <IMB-Seeker> have you and Bez been comparing notes

[20:58] <Bezalel3> 2Amen, Miller

[20:59] <Bezalel3> 2Just GMTA Seeker....

[20:59] <Netia19> Pllease excuse i hve to walk the kids,Allyn would you send me the Bible passages for tomrowvnites study please

[20:59] <BobWestbrook> Don, I'm of the opinion, and its only that, that all of these things occur before the tribulation period

[20:59] <IMB-Seeker> I guess so Bez :)_

[20:59] <Bezalel3> 2Besides, Bob has taught me all of this...

[20:59] <BobWestbrook> :)

[20:59] <DiamondLil2> 6the world is going to be amazed at what finally happens to Israel, that's for sure

[20:59] <BobWestbrook> That's right, Diamond!

[21:00] <MarvBMar> but it is talking about Damascus

[21:00] <Bezalel3> 2Karen, what is your e-mail. I keep getting it bounced...

[21:00] <dmsDon> cool makes sense to me!!

[21:00] <BobWestbrook> Stick around, there is lots more good stuff to cover yet! Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Ramallah :)

[21:00] <dmsDon> just happened on your web pages the other day and really appreciate them!

[21:00] <Netia19> Missmolly727@aol.com

[21:01] <IMB-Seeker> so I guess I better get all my construction jobs done before all this happens or I might have some customers mad at me

[21:01] <tryChrist> :)

[21:01] <Bezalel3> 2Thanks, Karen....I get you added to the list.

[21:01] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:01] <IMB-Seeker> the end of the world and all y'know

[21:01] <IMBPatricia> 6Bob, you said before the time of Tribulation?

[21:01] <BobWestbrook> Yes

[21:02] <dmsDon> these ARE incredable times!!!

[21:02] <IMBPatricia> 6and then the world comes against Israel?

[21:02] <tryChrist> ....can I say my opinion of the rapture now, Bob? :)

[21:02] <BobWestbrook> Do you guys realize, that if we are looking at these things correctly, that a WHOLE LOT of Bible prophecy is about to happen? Chapters and chapters!

[21:02] <BobWestbrook> Go for it, Miller! :)

[21:02] <IMBPatricia> 6yes

[21:02] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Patricia

[21:02] <tryChrist> Pray for "PRE" but prepare for "POST :)

[21:02] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:02] <DiamondLil2> 6people need to get their priorities right, material things are nothing, only eternal matters and we are seeing the beginning of God's final chapter

[21:03] <BobWestbrook> Amen, Diamond!

[21:03] <IMBPatricia> 6well, that will put me israel then when it all busts loose.

[21:03] <Jen1945> My thoughts exactly!!

[21:03] <DiamondLil2> 6Amenand Praise His name

[21:03] <Netia19> God bless i love each and every one of you see yoou next weeek if our Lord terries

[21:03] <IMB-Seeker> but what if I just won 300million?

[21:03] <BobWestbrook> OK, on to the next part - intruigue by Saddam Hussein against the Saudis, perhaps........

[21:03] <Bezalel3> 2Night, Karen.

[21:03] <IMB-Seeker> like that 20 year old did

[21:03] <IMBPatricia> 6then bless israel Seeker

[21:03] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:28 NIV) Concerning Kedar and the kingdoms of Hazor, which Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon attacked: This is what the LORD says: "Arise, and attack Kedar and destroy the people of the East.

[21:04] <BobWestbrook> Kedar is in Arabia

[21:04] <IMB-Seeker> :) Patricia

[21:04] <tryChrist> God Bless, Karen. Keep looking up

[21:04] <IMB-Seeker> you know I would

[21:04] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:29 NIV) Their tents and their flocks will be taken; their shelters will be carried off with all their goods and camels. Men will shout to them, 'Terror on every side!'

[21:04] <DiamondLil2> 6nite Karen,

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[21:04] <IMB-Seeker> Bye Karen m.

[21:04] <Rich_31> hello Bob

[21:04] <BobWestbrook> oops, somehow I skipped ahead

[21:04] <BobWestbrook> Hi Rich!

[21:04] <Bezalel3> 2Hi Rich

[21:04] <BobWestbrook> well, we'll go with this for now and then backtrack

[21:04] <Rich_31> 7hello Bez

[21:04] <IMBPatricia> 6so then their oil wealth will be gone Bob?

[21:05] <tryChrist> Howdy Rich :->

[21:05] <Jen1945> Hi Rich

[21:05] <IMB-Seeker> Rich my man!

[21:05] <Rich_31> 7hey Seeker

[21:05] <Rich_31> 7there you are Miller

[21:05] <DiamondLil2> 6Hi Rich

[21:05] <Netia19> Good nitie Seeker

[21:05] <Rich_31> 7good to se ya Seeker

[21:05] <BobWestbrook> Kedar was one of the sons of Ishmael

[21:05] <IMB-Seeker> nite sweet daughter of zion

[21:05] <Rich_31> 7hi Diamond

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[21:05] <Rich_31> 7hi Don

[21:05] <BobWestbrook> Perhaps, Patricia

[21:06] <dmsDon> hey

[21:06] <Rich_31> 7and there you are too Patricia

[21:06] <IMBPatricia> 6hi Rich

[21:06] <DiamondLil2> 6BRB have to put in a load of laundry

[21:06] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:30 NIV) "Flee quickly away! Stay in deep caves, you who live in Hazor," declares the LORD. "Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon has plotted against you; he has devised a plan against you.

[21:06] <Rich_31> 7hello Marion

[21:06] <MarvBMar> Hi Rich

[21:06] <Rich_31> 7hi Jen

[21:06] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:31 NIV) "Arise and attack a nation at ease, which lives in confidence," declares the LORD, "a nation that has neither gates nor bars; its people live alone.

[21:07] <BobWestbrook> Perhaps some kind of double-cross from Saddam Hussein against the Saudis? Perhaps they will first be together in the coalition against Israel, then Saddam will attack the Saudis

[21:07] <dmsDon> yikes won't win wold popular opinion ...

[21:07] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:32 NIV) Their camels will become plunder, and their large herds will be booty. I will scatter to the winds those who are in distant places and will bring disaster on them from every side," declares the LORD.

[21:08] <Rich_31> 7thats what I was thinking too Bob

[21:08] <dmsDon> wouldn't surprise me

[21:08] <IMB-Seeker> wonderful stuff Bob!...got to go....see some of you at Bible Study tomorrow night..you are all invited

[21:08] <tryChrist> Saddam seems to have that quality

[21:08] <Bezalel3> 2Night, Allyn....see you tomorrow...

[21:08] <Rich_31> 7see ya tomorow night Seeker

[21:08] <IMB-Seeker> night all

[21:08] <MarvBMar> nite seeker

[21:08] <IMBPatricia> 6nite seeker

[21:08] <Rich_31> 7God Bless ya

[21:08] <Bezalel3> 2Send me the references, Allyn.

[21:08] <IMB-Seeker> will do

[21:08] <MarvBMar> me too seeker

[21:08] <tryChrist> Night Seeker, see ya there... or in the clouds! if so you need to finish your jobs :)

[21:09] <IMB-Seeker> :)

[21:09] <BobWestbrook> Night Allyn!

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[21:09] <MarvBMar> sorry I must go too.

[21:09] <MarvBMar> Good night God bless one & all

[21:09] <IMBPatricia> 6It would be no surprise if Saddam attacked the Saudis

[21:09] <BobWestbrook> See ya Marion! Be sure to read the log

[21:09] <Bezalel3> 2Night, Marion....God Bless.

[21:09] <MarvBMar> shalom

[21:09] <Rich_31> 7Ok Marion I guess I can let ya go

[21:09] <MarvBMar> ok

[21:09] <tryChrist> night Marion. Keep the faith!

[21:09] <MarvBMar> see you tomorrow night

[21:09] <Rich_31> 7God Bless you and Yours

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[21:10] <DiamondLil2> 6back, didn't he try to attack Saudis once before?

[21:10] <Bezalel3> 2The living alone line is pointed. The US is in process of moving the base from Arabia to Qatar.

[21:10] <IMBPatricia> 6especially since the crown prince came up with that neat little peace plan...Saddam complained

[21:10] <BobWestbrook> Yes, it's fascinating how closely this matches the current situation there

[21:11] <Rich_31> 7Andy was at prince sultan base Bez he said its something to see

[21:11] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Diamond, or that was the fear in 1990, that Saddam would not stop at Kuwait

[21:11] <BobWestbrook> which is why the Saudis panicked and invited the US in

[21:11] <IMBPatricia> 6yes

[21:11] <dmsDon> that's where i am at seems so close... fits sio well.... many seeing the same...

[21:11] <DiamondLil2> 6that;'s why I couldn't understand why now they are defending Sadaam sometimes

[21:12] <Bezalel3> 2brb

[21:12] <Rich_31> 7ok

[21:12] <BobWestbrook> OK, on to the next section, but first, some historical background

[21:12] <dmsDon> allright

[21:12] <Rich_31> 7ok

[21:13] <BobWestbrook> You all remember that when Moses and Joshua led them to the promised land, 2 1/2 tribes stayed back on the east side of the Jordan

[21:13] <BobWestbrook> and received their inheritance there

[21:13] <dmsDon> great stuff!!!!! livin in the last days!!!!!

[21:13] <Rich_31> 7yep

[21:13] <BobWestbrook> yes, Don! :)

[21:13] <BobWestbrook> Which tribes?

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[21:14] <BobWestbrook> Which tribes?

[21:14] <dmsDon> we will all meet on the other side of this!!!!

[21:14] <Rich_31> 7your breath Miller??

[21:14] <tryChrist> everyone got the boot!

[21:14] <IMBPatricia> 6I was just reading about that last week!

[21:14] <Jen1945> Yes

[21:14] <Rich_31> 7we did

[21:14] <BobWestbrook> (Numbers 34:13-14 NIV) Moses commanded the Israelites: "Assign this land by lot as an inheritance. The LORD has ordered that it be given to the nine and a half tribes, {14} because the families of the tribe of Reuben, the tribe of Gad and the half-tribe of Manasseh have received their inheritance.

[21:15] <BobWestbrook> (Numbers 34:15 NIV) These two and a half tribes have received their inheritance on the east side of the Jordan of Jericho, toward the sunrise."

[21:15] <Rich_31> 7can't remember

[21:15] <BobWestbrook> That's one fact to give us context on the next section of Jeremiah

[21:15] <Jen1945> Rueben, Gad and half of Ephraim wasn't it?

[21:15] <BobWestbrook> the next fact - tell me what you know about the town of Ai

[21:15] <Rich_31> 7not getting old its as Gran always says just have more to remember

[21:15] <BobWestbrook> close, Jen :)

[21:15] <Jen1945> ooops, wrong brother

[21:16] <DiamondLil2> 6,sorry nothing

[21:16] <BobWestbrook> what was Ai, what happened there, and where is it?

[21:16] <dmsDon> ?

[21:16] <tryChrist> i must be off. always a pleasure Bob, thanks for your hard work and insight.

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[21:16] <BobWestbrook> See ya Miller! :)

[21:16] <BobWestbrook> (Genesis 12:7-8 NIV) The LORD appeared to Abram and said, "To your offspring I will give this land." So he built an altar there to the LORD, who had appeared to him. {8} From there he went on toward the hills east of Bethel and pitched his tent, with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east. There he built an altar to the LORD and called on the name of the LORD.

[21:16] <Rich_31> 7your leaving Miller

[21:16] <IMBPatricia> 6that was where an entire family paid a penalty of death

[21:17] <BobWestbrook> Right, Patricia

[21:17] <tryChrist> yep, 5 am comes early for me

[21:17] <BobWestbrook> It was the second town of conquest, after Jericho

[21:17] <Rich_31> 7oh yeah

[21:17] <Rich_31> 7good night friend God Bless

[21:17] <BobWestbrook> (Joshua 7:2 NIV) Now Joshua sent men from Jericho to Ai, which is near Beth Aven to the east of Bethel, and told them, "Go up and spy out the region." So the men went up and spied out Ai.

[21:17] <tryChrist> night

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[21:18] <DiamondLil2> 6night

[21:18] <dmsDon> ok....

[21:18] <BobWestbrook> Bethel and Ai are about 12 miles north of Jerusalem, very near to what Palestinian city today?

[21:18] <Jen1945> night

[21:18] <Rich_31> 7ramallah???

[21:18] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Rich

[21:18] <dmsDon> ?

[21:18] <BobWestbrook> Ramallah

[21:18] <DiamondLil2> 6wow

[21:18] <Rich_31> 7god guess huh

[21:18] <Rich_31> 7good

[21:19] <BobWestbrook> With that intro, look at these verses, and what the Lord showed me today

[21:19] <Rich_31> 7k

[21:19] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:1 NIV) Concerning the Ammonites: This is what the LORD says: "Has Israel no sons? Has she no heirs? Why then has Molech taken possession of Gad? Why do his people live in its towns?

[21:19] <dmsDon> cool

[21:19] <Rich_31> 7yep

[21:19] <Rich_31> 7why???

[21:19] <dmsDon> wowow

[21:20] <BobWestbrook> the Lord is saying, in effect, "Why hasn't Israel taken the inheritance I gave her on the east side of the Jordan?"

[21:20] <IMBPatricia> 6yes they were condemned for stealing land from God's people

[21:20] <dmsDon> todays daniel!!!

[21:20] <BobWestbrook> Why are these other people, with their phony god, in possession of it still?

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[21:20] <BobWestbrook> It gets better.... :)

[21:20] <Rich_31> 7won't be for too much longer

[21:21] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:2 NIV) But the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will sound the battle cry against Rabbah of the Ammonites; it will become a mound of ruins, and its surrounding villages will be set on fire. Then Israel will drive out those who drove her out," says the LORD.

[21:21] <BobWestbrook> "Rabbah" is today the capital city of Jordan, Amman

[21:21] <Jen1945> Have to go, hate to, God 's Blessings on you and yours

[21:21] <IMBPatricia> 6yippeee

[21:21] <BobWestbrook> See ya Jen :)

[21:21] <IMBPatricia> 6JEN blessings!

[21:21] <Rich_31> 7Amen to that

[21:21] <Bezalel3676> 2Night Jen...

[21:21] <BobWestbrook> Not only will Damacus be destroyed, but apparently Amman Jordan also

[21:21] <Rich_31> 7God Bless ya jen

[21:21] <Rich_31> 7night

[21:21] <dmsDon> no more aroppat?

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[21:21] <DiamondLil2> 6bless you Jen

[21:22] <Rich_31> 7and beruit too I think huh Bob

[21:22] <BobWestbrook> Now look closely at the next verse, because there is something that doesn't seem to fit at all

[21:22] <IMBPatricia> 6yet the Lord says He will restore the Ammonites

[21:22] <DiamondLil2> 6what will they say their Allah is doing now when that happens

[21:22] <Rich_31> 7k

[21:22] <IMBPatricia> 6afterwards that is

[21:22] <Bezalel3676> 2LOL DiamonLil

[21:23] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Patricia - what do you think that means?

[21:23] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:3 NIV) "Wail, O Heshbon, for Ai is destroyed! Cry out, O inhabitants of Rabbah! Put on sackcloth and mourn; rush here and there inside the walls, for Molech will go into exile, together with his priests and officials.

[21:23] <Rich_31> 7they will bow to our Lord Jesus Diamond

[21:23] <DiamondLil2> 6Amen

[21:23] <BobWestbrook> Heshbon, once again, is in Jordan - why are they wailing?

[21:23] <Bezalel3676> 2Moab also, Bob.

[21:23] <BobWestbrook> Why is Rabbah mourning?

[21:24] <IMBPatricia> 6hmmm restoring the fortunes of the Ammonites?

[21:24] <BobWestbrook> "Ai is destroyed"

[21:24] <BobWestbrook> this, friends, is Ramallah

[21:24] <Rich_31> 7no Israelites there Bob???

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[21:24] <BobWestbrook> The Jordanians are wailing because Ramallah is destroyed

[21:25] <Rich_31> 7another guess

[21:25] <IMBPatricia> 6He says the same thi ng regarding the Moabites...He will restore their fortunes

[21:25] <BobWestbrook> Welcome, Deb

[21:25] <debindeb> thanks!

[21:25] <BobWestbrook> Ai is Ramallah

[21:25] <debindeb> can't believe i finally made it

[21:25] <dmsDon> hi Deb

[21:25] <Rich_31> 7hello Deb

[21:25] <BobWestbrook> We're glad you did!

[21:25] <debindeb> hey

[21:25] <DiamondLil2> 6Hi Deb

[21:25] <debindeb> ;-)

[21:25] <Bezalel3676> 2Shalom, Deb

[21:26] <debindeb> 2i've been trying to get in here for 2 weeks!

[21:26] <dmsDon> where in the world are you alll ... no hint intended

[21:26] <BobWestbrook> The next section, about Edom, closely parallels the book of Obadiah

[21:26] <debindeb> 2LOL

[21:26] <BobWestbrook> I'm in Tampa Florida

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[21:26] <debindeb> 2fort lauderdale

[21:26] <DiamondLil2> 6In California

[21:26] <Bezalel3676> 2Bremerton, Wash.

[21:27] <debindeb> 2wow! i love it

[21:27] <Rich_31217> 7got yhe old boot am I here you all

[21:27] <dmsDon> wow minnesota here

[21:27] <Bezalel3676> 2Hi Rich, I see you.

[21:27] <Rich_31217> 7think so

[21:27] <IMBPatricia> 6Bob...Jer. 49:2, at the end says that Israel will drive her out...

[21:27] <Rich_31217> 7yep I can see you too Bez

[21:27] <DiamondLil2> 6may I ask another questions, who are the Ammonites?

[21:27] <debindeb> 2i finally got on last week and it was too late! there was one person left on!

[21:28] <Rich_31217> 7your here now Deb with most of us

[21:28] <BobWestbrook> Well, Diamond, that one is easy to answer today - the capital of Jordan is Amman

[21:28] <debindeb> 2i'm just going to read so i can learn !

[21:28] <dmsDon> ok ....Obadiah...!

[21:28] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Patricia

[21:28] <IMBPatricia> 6does that imply that there will be a literal pushing out via war?

[21:28] <BobWestbrook> Yes

[21:28] <DiamondLil2> 6I see, need to brush up on my geography!!

[21:29] <IMBPatricia> 6cool...I am glad Israel will do so.

[21:29] <dmsDon> me tooo

[21:29] <BobWestbrook> Israel, after the next war, will apparently gain large sections of land on the east bank of the Jordan

[21:29] <Bezalel3676> 2Lil, like Bob said, there are some great animated maps at his site, www.trumpetsounds.com

[21:29] <Rich_31217> 7war is the way till Jesus comesto end all war

[21:29] <DiamondLil2> 6yes, will have to go looking, thanks

[21:29] <dmsDon> ... i love your maps!!

[21:29] <IMBPatricia> 6now you were saying about Edom...Bob...

[21:29] <BobWestbrook> yes, they do illustrate some of what we are discussing tonught

[21:30] <BobWestbrook> thanks, Don :)

[21:30] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Rich, Jesus will indeed end all war

[21:30] <BobWestbrook> (Psalms 46:9 NIV) He makes wars cease to the ends of the earth; he breaks the bow and shatters the spear, he burns the shields with fire.

[21:30] <IMBPatricia> 6I don't see the promise of Edom being restored.

[21:30] <dmsDon> really brings to light those prophecies that use to seem ,,, dry..

[21:31] <Rich_31217> 7Amen to that Bob

[21:31] <BobWestbrook> right, Patricia

[21:31] <dmsDon> lookin forward to that!!!

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[21:32] <IMBPatricia> 6but petra is located there

[21:32] <Rich_31217> 7isn't it an awfull thing our young men have to do the war making

[21:32] <IMBPatricia> 6sorry, just thinking out loud

[21:32] <BobWestbrook> Right, Patricia, I was just going to say, for those of you who have the understanding that Petra will be a last days refuge for the Jews...

[21:32] <IMBPatricia> 6yes!!!

[21:33] <BobWestbrook> this fits nicely, because it means that by that time, that portion of land will actually be a part of Israel!

[21:33] <Rich_31217> 7all in Judea ain't it

[21:33] <Rich_31217> 7bob

[21:33] <IMBPatricia> 6yes!!!!

[21:33] <DiamondLil2> 6Far out Amen

[21:33] <dmsDon> go Isreal!!!!

[21:33] <Rich_31217> 7yep can't wait

[21:33] <BobWestbrook> Petra is in the area known geographically as Edom

[21:34] <Rich_31217> 7remembering

[21:34] <Rich_31217> 7Bob do you think there is room there for all of us in Petra

[21:35] <DiamondLil2> 6need to run, mthrinlaw in hosp. must visit, God Bless you all and may His peace be upon you.

[21:35] <IMBPatricia> 6see ya there Rich

[21:35] <Rich_31217> 7Bozzrah region

[21:35] <BobWestbrook> I dunno Rich, I have not yet been there

[21:35] <Bezalel3676> 2Night, Lil....say Hi to MIL for us.

[21:35] <BobWestbrook> right, Bozrah

[21:35] <dmsDon> bye Diamond!

[21:35] <Rich_31217> 7hope so Patricia

[21:35] <Rich_31217> 7Stan doesn't think there is room

[21:35] <DiamondLil2> 6nite

[21:35] <BobWestbrook> if you want an interesting Bible study, look for all the places where Bozrah, Teman, etc are used in prophecy

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[21:36] <Rich_31217> 7God Bless Diamond

[21:36] <BobWestbrook> quite a few, even in prophetic passages in the Torah

[21:36] <dmsDon> Boznia?

[21:36] <BobWestbrook> Bozrah is in that same general area as Petra, in Edom

[21:36] <Rich_31217> 7done some of that Bob

[21:36] <IMBPatricia> 6yes...looking at verse 22

[21:37] <BobWestbrook> And there are a number of verses that indicate that when the Lord comes, he will "march in the storms of the south" - going northward from Bozrah

[21:38] <Rich_31217> 7yep

[21:38] <IMBPatricia> 6southern Jordan

[21:38] <BobWestbrook> My personal theory, is that He will return first to Mt Sinai in Arabia, and then go from there to Bozrah, and then northward to confront the armies of the beast

[21:38] <BobWestbrook> but it's only a theory

[21:38] <Rich_31217> 7those in Judea when the abomination of deselation is set up will flee there won't they

[21:38] <Rich_31217> 7bob

[21:38] <dmsDon> woa.....

[21:39] <BobWestbrook> apparently, Rich, or that's how many understand those verses

[21:39] <Rich_31217> 7maybe we can all do so huh

[21:39] <IMBPatricia> 6It would seem that that is the direction...from these verses

[21:40] <BobWestbrook> Perhaps so, Rich, because it appears from Daniel that only the east bank of the Jordan will be the area in the world where the antichrist can't take control

[21:40] <Rich_31217> 7if the 2 witnesses are there in Jerusalem thats where I'll be too

[21:40] <BobWestbrook> (Daniel 11:41 NIV) He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand.

[21:41] <Rich_31217> 7yep

[21:41] <Rich_31217> 7if I'm not dead that is

[21:41] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:41] <IMBPatricia> 6bite your tongue Rich

[21:42] <Rich_31217> 7k Patricia I will

[21:42] <BobWestbrook> if he bites his tongue that will hurt :)

[21:42] <dmsDon> are you talking about when Jesus comes back to defeat the antichrist?

[21:42] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Don

[21:42] <IMBPatricia> 6LOL

[21:42] <Rich_31217> 7for sure Bob

[21:42] <Rich_31217> 7LOL

[21:42] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:42] <dmsDon> cool we will be with Him part of His returning army!

[21:43] <Rich_31217> 7thats it Don

[21:43] <dmsDon> ?

[21:43] <dmsDon> wow!!!!!

[21:43] <IMBPatricia> 6Bob, I am curious about the ones whom the Lord says He will restore their fortunes...

[21:43] <BobWestbrook> Next week we will get into Jeremiah 50 - now we will do the final section for tonight, that may be speaking of Iran

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[21:43] <Rich_31217> 7k

[21:43] <BobWestbrook> Me too, Patricia - let me know when you figure it out :)

[21:43] <Bezalel3676> 2Hi jrv

[21:43] <IMBPatricia> 6HA!

[21:43] <IMBPatricia> 6ok Bob

[21:44] <dmsDon> i hope mine (-:

[21:44] <BobWestbrook> Welcome, JRVMH :)

[21:44] <Rich_31217> 7hello jrvmh

[21:44] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:44] <Rich_31217> 7good to see ya

[21:44] <jrvmh> I got on. I can't believe it.

[21:44] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:34-35 NIV) This is the word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah the prophet concerning Elam, early in the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah: {35} This is what the LORD Almighty says: "See, I will break the bow of Elam, the mainstay of their might.

[21:44] <dmsDon> HI

[21:44] <Rich_31217> 7so glad you made it

[21:44] <BobWestbrook> "Elam" is today in northern Iran

[21:45] <Rich_31217> 7k

[21:45] <IMBPatricia> 6yes

[21:45] <BobWestbrook> I have no idea if this was fulfilled or not, but given the context, most of which has not been fulfilled, I would guess it has not

[21:46] <Rich_31217> 7Israel will not let iraq get away with hitting it again with missles

[21:46] <IMBPatricia> 6Iran used to be beautful...before the Khomanic showed up

[21:46] <BobWestbrook> Until I read this today, I was unaware of any Scripture that indicates any involvement by Iran what we suppose will be this impending war

[21:47] <BobWestbrook> and once again, please realize that some of this is highly speculative

[21:47] <dmsDon> cool

[21:47] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:35-36 NIV) This is what the LORD Almighty says: "See, I will break the bow of Elam, the mainstay of their might. {36} I will bring against Elam the four winds from the four quarters of the heavens; I will scatter them to the four winds, and there will not be a nation where Elam's exiles do not go.

[21:48] <Bezalel3676> 2They'll be the next refugees, huh?

[21:48] <BobWestbrook> What do we see here? Something catastrophic that causes many of the residents of that area of Iran to be scattered all over the world

[21:48] <BobWestbrook> right, Bez

[21:48] <Rich_31217> 7looks like it Bez

[21:48] <IMBPatricia> 6there are already many Iranian refugees

[21:48] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 49:37 NIV) I will shatter Elam before their foes, before those who seek their lives; I will bring disaster upon them, even my fierce anger," declares the LORD. "I will pursue them with the sword until I have made an end of them.

[21:48] <BobWestbrook> That's true, Patricia

[21:48] <Rich_31217> 7radiation maybe???

[21:49] <jrvmh> Bob, Ezekiel 38:5 says Persia. That's Iran, right?

[21:49] <BobWestbrook> Yes, it is

[21:49] <dmsDon> tracking down terrorist....

[21:49] <IMBPatricia> 6with their current govenment, and the al qaeda in their midst, something could trigger a US response

[21:49] <BobWestbrook> So we do understand that Iran plays a part in the later coalition of nations that comes against Israel

[21:50] <IMBPatricia> 6or Israeil

[21:50] <BobWestbrook> yes, Patricia

[21:50] <IMBPatricia> 6yes

[21:50] <BobWestbrook> remember, Hezbollah is funded and armed by Iran

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[21:50] <dmsDon> does not seem like much of a stretch...

[21:50] <BobWestbrook> nope, Done

[21:50] <BobWestbrook> Don

[21:50] <dmsDon> in fact probable

[21:50] <Rich_31217> 7Saints I'll see you all next time got to get off to bed God Bless you all

[21:51] <IMBPatricia> 6if Israel was brave enought to take out Saddam's nuke facility then who knows what they may do to iran

[21:51] <BobWestbrook> Night Rich!

[21:51] <Rich_31217> 7night

[21:51] <Bezalel3676> 2Night Rich...God Bless....

[21:51] <IMBPatricia> 6night rich

[21:51] <jrvmh> night

[21:51] <debindeb> 2nighty night rich

[21:51] <Skeets4> I'm so sorry I missed tonight. I've been @ the hospital all day with my husband.

[21:51] <dmsDon> goodnight

[21:51] <BobWestbrook> Right, Patricia - Iran and Iraq are view by Israel as being extemely menacing, because both are working on WMD capability, with the objective of destroying Israel

[21:51] <Rich_31217> 7its hard to leave you all but morning comes early night

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[21:52] <BobWestbrook> Sorry to hear that Skeets!

[21:52] <dmsDon> not over yet ....! i hope

[21:52] <Skeets4> I'm just sorry I missed the Bible study

[21:52] <BobWestbrook> Well, be sure to read the log, because there is lots of good stuff

[21:52] <Skeets4> how do i do that?

[21:52] <dmsDon> the log?

[21:52] <Skeets4> yes

[21:52] <BobWestbrook> Stan will post it on the IsraelMyBeloved website

[21:53] <Skeets4> is it on this site?

[21:53] <Bezalel3676> 2brb

[21:53] <Skeets4> ok

[21:53] <BobWestbrook> and I will also post it on TrumpetSounds

[21:53] <dmsDon> cool!!

[21:53] <IMBPatricia> 6both my husband I sense something is coming to Iran...soon. he wants to contact all his relatives, get them eith out of there or visit them.

[21:53] <dmsDon> TrumpetSounds....What a neat name!!!!!

[21:53] <BobWestbrook> there are logs going back a couple years on my site, from old chats - so you could spend many hours reading our discussions in the past :)

[21:54] <Skeets4> how soon will this one be up?

[21:54] <dmsDon> thank you

[21:54] <Skeets4> like now?

[21:54] <IMBPatricia> 6also, we are concerned about the Iranian Jews still there.

[21:54] <jrvmh> Hey Saints, Consider this: Saddam seems like the head of gold, then the Kurds and Iran are the arms of silver.

[21:54] <BobWestbrook> Tomorrow :)

[21:54] <Skeets4> k

[21:54] <BobWestbrook> OK, friends, time for me to skeedaddle :)

[21:55] <Skeets4> will see everyone Tuesday nite then.

[21:55] <BobWestbrook> Thanks again for your eager participation!

[21:55] <IMBPatricia> 6thanks Bob...this was so good.

[21:55] <dmsDon> thanks again hope to be back!!!

[21:55] <IMBPatricia> 6I am heading out too.

[21:55] <BobWestbrook> My pleasure, Patricia, and to God be the glory!!

[21:55] <jrvmh> Bob, you sleep too early...

[21:55] <dmsDon> AMEN!!!!!

[21:55] <IMBPatricia> 6Blessings to all of you!

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