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[20:04] <BobWestbrook> Ahh, here I am again :)

[20:04] <CJ-Seeker> WB Bob

[20:05] <BobWestbrook> Did I miss anything? :)

[20:05] <CJ-Seeker> :)

[20:05] <Bezalel3> You in Pirch now?

[20:05] <BobWestbrook> Yup

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[20:05] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Allyn, I don't recall exactly how I phrased it, but something to the effect of this:

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[20:05] <CJ-Seeker> Judy is having trouble sticking around :)

[20:05] <CJ-Seeker> nope

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[20:06] <CJ-Seeker> still waiting for the answer to my question

[20:06] <BobWestbrook> Many Christians cannot see how what we call Zionism and the Gospel fit together, although they are in essence one message

[20:06] <BobWestbrook> which is the message of the Bible - the good news of the Kingdom of God

[20:06] <CJ-Seeker> that's it..keep going

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[20:06] <BobWestbrook> the gospel is the good news, but not just for our "personal salvation" - though that is of course vital

[20:07] <BobWestbrook> But the good news of the kingdom is much broader than that, and is articulated largely by the prophets of the Tanakh

[20:07] <BobWestbrook> specifically, that the Son of David, King of the Jews, Moshiach, will rule from Mount Zion

[20:08] <CJ-Seeker> in some form or fashion I am going to put this on my website

[20:08] <BobWestbrook> That is the synthesis of the two messages, which are not really two, but one

[20:08] <CJ-Seeker> Ok..Thanks again

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[20:09] <BobWestbrook> You're welcome - I think we should have more dialogue on this in the future, to "flesh it out" if you will

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[20:09] <CJ-Seeker> sounds good

[20:09] <BobWestbrook> unfortunately, the "gospel" presented in most churches, though adequate for personal salvation, largely misses this element

[20:09] <CJ-Seeker> I agree and this is my experience also

[20:10] <PatchouliJudy351> Hi everone, I just managed to get in

[20:10] <BobWestbrook> which the Jewish disciples of Jesus would have known intimately already, having been well acquainted with the books of the prophets

[20:10] <Bezalel3> Even in the self-proclaimed "Bible" churches.

[20:10] <CJ-Seeker> Hi Judy..thought u were having trouble

[20:10] <PatchouliJudy351> Quick summary? What element of the church are you talking aobut?

[20:10] <PatchouliJudy351> As unual ;-)

[20:10] <PatchouliJudy351> I mean usual

[20:10] <CJ-Seeker> unual is fine

[20:10] <CJ-Seeker> :)

[20:11] <BobWestbrook> We are talking, Judy, about how the "gospel" or good news of the Kingdom would have been understood by His followers at that time, and how today that aspect of it is not well understood

[20:11] <BobWestbrook> the aspect that coincides with what we call Zionism

[20:11] <CJ-Seeker> I was intrigued with a radio talk show this afternoon that had on a guest

[20:11] <CJ-Seeker> That spoke of the fall of Sirea

[20:12] <BobWestbrook> When you read the New Testament with that perspective, you see it in a different light

[20:12] <CJ-Seeker> SP

[20:12] <BobWestbrook> Oh, Allyn?

[20:12] <CJ-Seeker> Yes namley Damascus

[20:12] <PatchouliJudy351> Ah. Yes, I have been noticing that ever since I have been looking into Messianic Judaism

[20:13] <BobWestbrook> I remember just a few years ago, very few were acquainted with the Isaiah 17:1 prophecy predicting that

[20:13] <CJ-Seeker> it is more apparent then ever

[20:13] <BobWestbrook> Any interesting tidbits, Allyn?

[20:13] <BobWestbrook> Yes, it certainly is

[20:14] <CJ-Seeker> just the sinereo about the Hisbahla and how they are backed by that country

[20:14] <Bezalel3> The Hizb'Allah rocket attacks are all but guaranteeing Syria's involvement.

[20:14] <CJ-Seeker> and how Israel under other conditions would rise up and take it all the way to Damascus

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[20:15] <CJ-Seeker> but with the other war effort going on they have not yet

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[20:15] <BobWestbrook> Remember when Israel was still in southern Lebanon? Hezbollah said at that time that was why they were fighting Israel

[20:15] <CJ-Seeker> of course

[20:15] <Netia19> hi

[20:15] <CJ-Seeker> Karen Marie

[20:15] <BobWestbrook> But now that they are not anymore, Hezbollah is still fighting Israel

[20:15] <Bezalel3> Hi Netia, Miller

[20:15] <BobWestbrook> Hi Netia!

[20:15] <CJ-Seeker> Yes I do

[20:15] <BobWestbrook> First time here, Netia?

[20:15] <tryChrist> Howdy folks

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[20:16] <CJ-Seeker> Hi Miller

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[20:16] <Netia19> hello everone

[20:16] <CJ-Seeker> yes..it is all in the effort to throw Israel and the world in an uproar

[20:16] <CJ-Seeker> I Karen

[20:16] <CJ-Seeker> Hi

[20:16] <Bezalel3> Hello, Netia

[20:17] <tryChrist> Shalom Netia

[20:17] <BobWestbrook> Yes, and it is instructive about their true motives - the destruction of Israel

[20:17] <CJ-Seeker> very much so Bob

[20:18] <Netia19> what are me desscuing

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[20:18] <CJ-Seeker> I am glad the Israel is not backing down

[20:18] <Bezalel3> 1,1.....9,1.»º}8,1¤9,1{º«.4,1©.»º}8,1¤9,1{º«.4,1Hi MarvBMar 9,1.»º}8,1¤9,1{º«.4,1©.»º}8,1¤9,1{º«.1,1.....

[20:18] <tryChrist> Yet? Seeker!

[20:18] <CJ-Seeker> We are talking about current events

[20:18] <BobWestbrook> We will be discussing Isaiah 14 in a bit, right now, the Hezbollah attacks and likelihood (certainty?) of war with Syria

[20:18] <CJ-Seeker> :) Miller

[20:19] <CJ-Seeker> very close too I believe Bob

[20:19] <MarvBMar> shalom

[20:19] <BobWestbrook> Seems like it

[20:19] <CJ-Seeker> Shalom Marian

[20:19] <BobWestbrook> And we are hearing more talk about a US attack in Iraq in a few months

[20:19] <CJ-Seeker> Marion

[20:19] <MarvBMar> watching CNN

[20:19] <tryChrist> Ole Mr. Powell has got to be a heck of a salesman if Bush sent him over there...

[20:19] <BobWestbrook> which will probably play into the equation as well

[20:20] <MarvBMar> from Jeruselem

[20:20] <BobWestbrook> Yes, so much to discuss tonight :)

[20:20] <CJ-Seeker> I believe what is happening with the world reaction over Israel..we won't have a chance to do the needed thing

[20:20] <BobWestbrook> What do you mean, Seeker?

[20:21] <tryChrist> ?

[20:21] <BobWestbrook> Miller, they are calling Powell's mission "Mission Impossible"

[20:21] <tryChrist> :)

[20:21] <CJ-Seeker> I believe that the turmoil over in Israel will begin to expand to a regional thing

[20:21] <PatchouliJudy351> Bush gave another one of his all believing in the same God speaches

[20:21] <CJ-Seeker> and thus our opportunity will dwindle

[20:21] <tryChrist> Seeker, I think it already has

[20:21] <BobWestbrook> You know Powell is going to do some arm twisting or other method of coercion

[20:22] <CJ-Seeker> Could be Miller

[20:22] <CJ-Seeker> He will fail I think

[20:22] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Seeker, or it could be that it will expand and explode at the very time that the US is targetting Iraq

[20:22] <CJ-Seeker> Israel has no plans to deal with Arafat politically

[20:22] <CJ-Seeker> That could be so Bob

[20:23] <tryChrist> So much stuff coming out about the leaders of our churches lately. Certainly we know how judgemental people can be and that they jump on bandwagons quickly, but perhaps satan is unraveling a plan here and we must be quick to see it

[20:23] <BobWestbrook> I was thinking about that today - Iraq watches the US TV shows, and he has to know that an attack is coming in a few months....

[20:23] <CJ-Seeker> of course

[20:23] <BobWestbrook> So... if you were him, what would you do now?

[20:23] <Netia19> thank you JESUS i got back in

[20:23] <BobWestbrook> :)

[20:23] <CJ-Seeker> I would raise unholy hell

[20:24] <Bezalel3> You with us, Marion.

[20:24] <Bezalel3> ?

[20:24] <CJ-Seeker> do anything to distract

[20:24] <BobWestbrook> I'm thinking that perhaps he learned something from the gulf war, when he sat back and waited for the coalition forces to complete the lengthy process of deployment

[20:24] <MarvBMar> Bluff as he did before desert storm

[20:24] <MarvBMar> yes Bez

[20:24] <MarvBMar> reading the posts

[20:24] <BobWestbrook> If I were him, I'd try to pre-empt - force an attack before the US forces are mobilized

[20:24] <Bezalel3> There you are, welcome.

[20:24] <CJ-Seeker> Karen..I am glad you made it

[20:25] <CJ-Seeker> that's what I mean Bob

[20:25] <CJ-Seeker> but pre-empt against Israel

[20:25] <Netia19> i am too

[20:25] <CJ-Seeker> involve Jordan

[20:25] <tryChrist> are we fighting our wars through the media now days, or is the media getting to much info and messing up our offences

[20:26] <BobWestbrook> Both Hezbollah, and Iraq, though on vastly different ends of the Islamic spectrum, are trying to do the same thing - rally and enflame the Arab/Muslim world to fight against Israel

[20:26] <MarvBMar> if he does that he will think & all arabs will think he is wonderful

[20:26] <CJ-Seeker> cause a break up of any coalition that may be there

[20:26] <CJ-Seeker> exactly

[20:26] <BobWestbrook> What do you mean, Miller?

[20:26] <CJ-Seeker> or at least cause them to make a choice Marion

[20:27] <tryChrist> which comment?

[20:27] <BobWestbrook> last one

[20:27] <BobWestbrook> and the one before also :)

[20:28] <tryChrist> just seems that the plans to go in are blostered across the TV/radio before they go in, if at all

[20:28] <CJ-Seeker> Karen...you can come to bible study using the same Nickname and Password that you used tonight

[20:28] <BobWestbrook> I doubt if it is having any effect militarily

[20:29] <tryChrist> benladen got word he was being tracked on his cell phone thru media and hung up

[20:29] <CJ-Seeker> no..Bob, but what is happening is a source of mis-information that inflames the uninformed public

[20:29] <BobWestbrook> Well, before we go any further, let's pray - Allyn, could you lead us?

[20:29] <CJ-Seeker> sure

[20:29] <CJ-Seeker> Father

[20:29] <CJ-Seeker> as we gather here tonight

[20:30] <CJ-Seeker> I ask for your guiding hand on us

[20:30] <MarvBMar> I think sadam will believe us now

[20:30] <Bezalel3> we come in praise of Your Name.

[20:30] <CJ-Seeker> Be with Bob as he brings a message to us

[20:30] <Netia19> changed it

[20:30] <CJ-Seeker> and bring in your Holy Spirit upon us

[20:31] <CJ-Seeker> Bless Israel in Her hour of need

[20:31] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Lord, thank you for your wonderful care

[20:31] <CJ-Seeker> and guide her leadership

[20:31] <BobWestbrook> And your mighty hand

[20:31] <Netia19> i changed im was not able tio ues the old onev

[20:31] <BobWestbrook> Thank you for how you have delivered us, and continue to

[20:31] <CJ-Seeker> Father give us your Spirit and in His name I pray

[20:32] <CJ-Seeker> Amen

[20:32] <BobWestbrook> Amen

[20:32] <Bezalel3> Your blessings are evident each day, in the unfolding of Your promises.

[20:32] <Netia19> amen

[20:32] <Bezalel3> Amen

[20:32] <PatchouliJudy351> Amen

[20:32] <BobWestbrook> Did you folks hear about the pro-Israel rally in Washington Monday?

[20:32] <Bezalel3> Yes

[20:32] <MarvBMar> amen

[20:32] <CJ-Seeker> No I missed that

[20:32] <Netia19> yes i say it

[20:32] <MarvBMar> no

[20:33] <tryChrist> thats great

[20:33] <Bezalel3> Although, we'll probably not see much coverage in the news.

[20:33] <MarvBMar> this monday?

[20:33] <tryChrist> there has been so much antisemitism lately

[20:33] <BobWestbrook> www.israelrally.org

[20:33] <CJ-Seeker> ok..got it

[20:34] <Bezalel3> You're right there, Miller.....college protests have started in the US

[20:34] <Netia19> there was also one in broward county and dae in fl

[20:34] <tryChrist> satan is working overtime to destroy G-d and His people

[20:35] <Bezalel3> Yes, his time is short, Miller.

[20:35] <tryChrist> obviously it won't work !!! :)

[20:35] <CJ-Seeker> I wish that the people of God would just unite as one on this subject

[20:35] <tryChrist> AMEN to that !!!

[20:35] <BobWestbrook> Yesterday, I saw two different news reports, one on 700 club, and one here: http://israelbehindthenews.com/Archives/Mar-29-02.htm#Riyadh about Saudi ballistic missile capability

[20:35] <CJ-Seeker> too many board meeting I believe :)

[20:35] <BobWestbrook> I had no idea that the Chinese had sold them these kinds of missiles a number of years ago

[20:36] <tryChrist> do I want to know Bob?

[20:36] <BobWestbrook> on the 700 Club, they should aerial intelligence photos of the fortified base and missile silos

[20:36] <CJ-Seeker> We all must have a resolve that God has a master planE

[20:37] <BobWestbrook> no nuclear capabilities, but long range capability to send chemical or biological warheads

[20:37] <CJ-Seeker> skip the E

[20:37] <BobWestbrook> It's quite an article - you'll want to read it later

[20:38] <BobWestbrook> We do expect, based on Psalm 83, that Saudi Arabia will be one of the participants in the next war

[20:38] <CJ-Seeker> put it up

[20:38] <BobWestbrook> http://israelbehindthenews.com/Archives/Mar-29-02.htm#Riyadh

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[20:39] <CJ-Seeker> Oh OH Judy got bumped again

[20:39] <BobWestbrook> OK, in the last week, we've seen a real intensification of the world opinion against Israel

[20:39] <BobWestbrook> as if they were to blame for what is happening

[20:39] <CJ-Seeker> yes we have

[20:40] <CJ-Seeker> and they are not

[20:40] <tryChrist> absolutely Bob, we ahve been talking about that in our home

[20:40] <BobWestbrook> before we get back to Isaiah 14, I have a Scripture about that

[20:40] <CJ-Seeker> knew you would :)

[20:41] <BobWestbrook> :) Just gotta find it :)

[20:41] <CJ-Seeker> its in the old Testament

[20:41] <CJ-Seeker> :)

[20:41] <tryChrist> if it's Jer.....well nevermind

[20:41] <BobWestbrook> :)

[20:42] <BobWestbrook> From Micah 4:

[20:42] <tryChrist> just thinking out loud

[20:42] <CJ-Seeker> :) MIller

[20:42] <BobWestbrook> True, many nations have gathered together against you, calling for your blood, eager to gloat over your destruction. But they do not know the LORD's thoughts or understand his plan.

[20:42] <BobWestbrook> (Micah 4:11-12 NIV) But now many nations are gathered against you. They say, "Let her be defiled, let our eyes gloat over Zion!" {12} But they do not know the thoughts of the LORD; they do not understand his plan, he who gathers them like sheaves to the threshing floor.

[20:42] <CJ-Seeker> How could that possibly fit today :)?

[20:42] <BobWestbrook> :)

[20:42] <CJ-Seeker> JK

[20:42] <BobWestbrook> (Micah 4:13 NIV) "Rise and thresh, O Daughter of Zion, for I will give you horns of iron; I will give you hoofs of bronze and you will break to pieces many nations." You will devote their ill-gotten gains to the LORD, their wealth to the Lord of all the earth.

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[20:43] <CJ-Seeker> WB JUdy

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[20:43] <CJ-Seeker> Poor lady

[20:43] <BobWestbrook> Isaiah also has a prophecy about Israel threshing

[20:44] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 41:14-15 NIV) Do not be afraid, O worm Jacob, O little Israel, for I myself will help you," declares the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel. {15} "See, I will make you into a threshing sledge, new and sharp, with many teeth. You will thresh the mountains and crush them, and reduce the hills to chaff.

[20:44] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 41:16 NIV) You will winnow them, the wind will pick them up, and a gale will blow them away. But you will rejoice in the LORD and glory in the Holy One of Israel.

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[20:44] <BobWestbrook> Do you guys know what a threshing sledge was?

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[20:45] <BobWestbrook> They would gather the grain to the threshing floor, usually a raised stone floor of some kind

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[20:45] <Bezalel3> Used to beat the wheat and separate the chaff?

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[20:45] <CJ-Seeker> I guess I don't for sure

[20:45] <BobWestbrook> and then pull this sled like thing with teeth of iron and stone over the grain, pulled behind oxen

[20:45] <BobWestbrook> right, Bez

[20:45] <BobWestbrook> the sledge was like a frame with rows of teeth

[20:45] <MarvBMar> Bob the only problem I see with that verse is Israel is not declaring the Lord as their helper

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> and so the combination of the hooves and the teeth on the sledge would crush it

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[20:46] <CJ-Seeker> this could be a thing of the heart Marion

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[20:46] <tryChrist> We so need to be ready with an answer these days! Bob, that is great info, we need to all be in the word and know the events as they happen that we might be able to be at rest with ourselves, yes, but also to teach the body and bring others to G-d by His word and current events

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> Well, in that verse, Marion, He declared He would help them

[20:46] <CJ-Seeker> in other words the groaning that the Spirit can interpret

[20:47] <MarvBMar> yes seeker thats that I mean their hearts are not turned to the Lord as a nation now

[20:47] <BobWestbrook> And we can expect, Marion, that they will be increasingly calling to Him for help

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[20:47] <CJ-Seeker> do you believe it needs to be a total collective thing? just askin

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[20:47] <tryChrist> through tribulation will they know Him !!

[20:48] <Bezalel3> Amen, Miller.

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[20:48] <BobWestbrook> I think it will be a progressive thing

[20:48] <CJ-Seeker> is it not possible that there are some real heathens in the Jewish ranks?

[20:49] <MarvBMar> yes there are

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[20:49] <BobWestbrook> Sure, and the prophets address those people as well

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[20:49] <MarvBMar> I found that out when I went to Israel

[20:49] <CJ-Seeker> I have always thought that when all Israel is saved, it will be those who do really look for Messiah

[20:50] <BobWestbrook> For example

[20:50] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 2:6 NIV) You have abandoned your people, the house of Jacob. They are full of superstitions from the East; they practice divination like the Philistines and clasp hands with pagans.

[20:50] <MarvBMar> I , thought all Jews loved the Lord

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[20:50] <BobWestbrook> But, the point is, as time progresses, they will increasingly turn to the Lord

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[20:50] <CJ-Seeker> they are a cross-section of sin just like us

[20:50] <MarvBMar> yes seeker I found that out

[20:50] <BobWestbrook> Will it be everyone? No - but it will be many

[20:51] <CJ-Seeker> us meanoing Gentile

[20:51] <tryChrist> ok,,, everybody at once, in the spirit, pray for Judy to stay !!!!!

[20:51] <CJ-Seeker> I agree

[20:51] <Netia19> excues me were in the Bible dobase the thin,s youmarevsaying

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[20:51] <BobWestbrook> What's that, Netia?

[20:51] <CJ-Seeker> ok Miller

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[20:51] <CJ-Seeker> keep trying Judy

[20:52] <Bezalel3> Hi Gloria...

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[20:52] <BobWestbrook> (Romans 11:25-26 NASB) For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery, lest you be wise in your own estimation, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles has come in; {26} and thus all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."

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[20:52] <Netia19> i am not kepingup i guess it sems as thow e are having more than talk

[20:52] <CJ-Seeker> Judy Judy Judy

[20:52] <BobWestbrook> Was that what you were referring to, Netia?

[20:53] <MarvBMar> the Messianic community in Israel is growing

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[20:53] <CJ-Seeker> ok..What is this Hardening though Bob

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[20:53] <BobWestbrook> That's the clearest statement in the NT about the future of the Jewish people, though there is much much more about it in the OT

[20:53] <MarvBMar> I had that problem Tuesday . I was way behind

[20:54] <CJ-Seeker> is it rejection of religion as they know it or the Messiah or what?

[20:54] <BobWestbrook> Yes, here's an answer to that

[20:54] <Netia19> i will catch up Bob

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[20:54] <MarvBMar> seeker some are hardened now

[20:54] <BobWestbrook> (John 12:37-38 NIV) Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. {38} This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet: "Lord, who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?"

[20:54] <CJ-Seeker> sure I know that

[20:54] <BobWestbrook> (John 12:39-41 NIV) For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere: {40} "He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them." {41} Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.

[20:54] <CJ-Seeker> But define hardened

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[20:55] <CJ-Seeker> believe in what or whom?

[20:55] <tryChrist> yea Judy !

[20:55] <MarvBMar> Jesus

[20:55] <CJ-Seeker> I just want to parse this alittle

[20:55] <MarvBMar> welcome back Judy

[20:55] <BobWestbrook> (John 1:11 NRSV) He came to what was his own, and his own people did not accept him.

[20:55] <MarvBMar> parse?

[20:55] <CJ-Seeker> My point is that there will be some unsaved in the end because they carry no faith at all

[20:56] <CJ-Seeker> they believe nothing

[20:56] <CJ-Seeker> some are that way

[20:56] <MarvBMar> do you mean Jews , seeker

[20:56] <CJ-Seeker> yes

[20:56] <MarvBMar> but some day..........

[20:56] <tryChrist> many are that way every where.. all people, all races all lands have unbelief, or is it?

[20:56] <MarvBMar> :-)

[20:57] <CJ-Seeker> well that is the question :)

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[20:57] <BobWestbrook> Well, we need to be a little sensitive about what we say here, because some Jewish people may read this log, right?

[20:58] <CJ-Seeker> no arguement here.. I think we need to realize that Faith is there for all to recieve if only it is received

[20:58] <MarvBMar> somehow near the end it doesn't seem possible that there will be people that won't believe & turn to God

[20:58] <Netia19> you are so mindfull Bob

[20:58] <CJ-Seeker> ok..sorry..

[20:58] <tryChrist> God put His law in all men, it is men who deny it, is that unbelief or just rebellion

[20:58] <Netia19> no need for sorrry seeker

[20:59] <CJ-Seeker> :)

[20:59] <PatchouliJudy748> I just got back in. What did I miss Bob, I am Jewish :-)

[20:59] <BobWestbrook> No apology needed, and we can speak openly what we believe, just with sensitivitiy

[20:59] <Bezalel3> The image of those hiding in caves, hiding from the wrath of God, while denying His wrath sums up some of the rebellion in man.

[20:59] <CJ-Seeker> My intention is not to disrupt or cause problem with others who may read this..I was only trying to dig deeper :)

[20:59] <BobWestbrook> Yes, it does Bez

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[21:00] <Bezalel3> Hi George

[21:00] <BobWestbrook> Hi George!

[21:00] <MarvBMar> Hi George

[21:00] <WorthyNewsEditor> Hello all :-)

[21:00] <CJ-Seeker> I George

[21:00] <WorthyNewsEditor> have you ever seen a nervous news editor? LOL

[21:00] <CJ-Seeker> HI

[21:00] <BobWestbrook> That's good, Allyn - did we dig deep enough on that? Or are there unresolved items in your mind

[21:00] <BobWestbrook> Nervous, George? :)

[21:00] <CJ-Seeker> :) BOB

[21:00] <Bezalel3> Like Marion said, it is truly amazing that in the end-times, there will be those who still will not accept.

[21:00] <WorthyNewsEditor> yeah the server switch is starting now LOL

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[21:01] <BobWestbrook> Ahh, the dreaded server switch

[21:01] <WorthyNewsEditor> switching to a faster bigger server and I am not sure what will happen as far as all the scripts I have

[21:01] <MarvBMar> what is that george

[21:01] <WorthyNewsEditor> 15 sites to fix potentially LOL

[21:01] <BobWestbrook> Folks, I'm happy to announce a new section on George's website, called "Worthy Insights"

[21:01] <CJ-Seeker> cool

[21:01] <MarvBMar> you have a great site george

[21:01] <WorthyNewsEditor> Marv I own a server that runs a bunch of christian sites :-)

[21:01] <BobWestbrook> where Yours Truly and Stan also, will have some articles featured

[21:02] <WorthyNewsEditor> Bob is the featured writer for Worthy insights! :-)

[21:02] <Bezalel3> And well he should be, George.

[21:02] <BobWestbrook> Yes, George has been gracious and generous to put my stuff up there

[21:02] <WorthyNewsEditor> I have a few articles going in on Monday I will have the weekend to work on the articles I have in mind

[21:02] <MarvBMar> ahhh now I see the newsworthy plug Bob! :-)

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[21:02] <WorthyNewsEditor> so what's new in here tonight?

[21:02] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:02] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL Marv!

[21:02] <Netia19> i have to walk the kids I Love you and pray God be with your beloved Isreal

[21:03] <CJ-Seeker> Night Karen

[21:03] <WorthyNewsEditor> whats' the topic tonight Bob?

[21:03] <BobWestbrook> Bye Netia - God bless you!!!!

[21:03] <Bezalel3> Night, Karen.

[21:03] <WorthyNewsEditor> night netia :-)

[21:03] <BobWestbrook> Well, we talked about the intensifying pressure on Israel

[21:03] <WorthyNewsEditor> please don't say Prophecy LOL I know that much LOL

[21:03] <tryChrist> night netia

[21:03] <BobWestbrook> And perhaps someday we'll actually get to those verses in Isaiah 14 :)

[21:03] <MarvBMar> night Karen

[21:03] <WorthyNewsEditor> sounds great :-)

[21:04] <BobWestbrook> oh, we talked about "threshing sledges" - I hope to write an article on that soon

[21:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> sounds interesting

[21:04] <CJ-Seeker> Yeah..If i would just keep my big trap shut :)

[21:04] <Netia19> nite alll see you next week

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[21:04] <MarvBMar> no seeker you shouldn't

[21:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> nighters Netia :-)

[21:04] <BobWestbrook> And we talked about Saudi Arabia's ballistic missile capabilities

[21:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> interesting I haven't read to much on that

[21:04] <MarvBMar> someone else might be thinking & afraid to ask

[21:04] <BobWestbrook> Me either, until yesterday

[21:04] <CJ-Seeker> :)

[21:05] <BobWestbrook> 700 Club had a piece about it, and I came across this article : http://israelbehindthenews.com/Archives/Mar-29-02.htm#Riyadh

[21:05] <WorthyNewsEditor> what site ?

[21:05] <WorthyNewsEditor> hold on

[21:05] <MarvBMar> they need to be aiming them at Iraq

[21:05] <BobWestbrook> Supposedly, they justified them to the US (which did not know at first they had bought them from China) by saying they are a deterrent against Iran

[21:06] <MarvBMar> Iraq wouldn't think twice about doing the same to Saudis

[21:07] <WorthyNewsEditor> interesting article I am not sure of the source though I haven't heard of it

[21:07] <BobWestbrook> This has been available info for awhile, based on my web search, but it is just coming to public awareness now

[21:07] <WorthyNewsEditor> if it's a reliable source I would bet that Bill Gertz will have an article on it soon

[21:08] <BobWestbrook> I asked Stan about that, George, and he said yes

[21:08] <CJ-Seeker> George, when will you be in Jerusalem?

[21:08] <BobWestbrook> it is the largest new daily in Israel

[21:08] <BobWestbrook> news daily

[21:08] <WorthyNewsEditor> the Lord has to open the door but it looks like next June but I am always ready to go NOW!

[21:08] <CJ-Seeker> Groovy

[21:08] <WorthyNewsEditor> is there a web site for an english version of that news daily?

[21:09] <BobWestbrook> Not that I'm aware of

[21:09] <BobWestbrook> And you'll be able to get permanent resident status, right, because your wife-to-be is an Israeli citizen?

[21:09] <WorthyNewsEditor> bummer that's the real problem :-( I can't get enough great news articles :-)

[21:09] <WorthyNewsEditor> YES! LOL they won't be able to throw me out LOL

[21:09] <BobWestbrook> LOL

[21:10] <WorthyNewsEditor> so I will be a super duper evangelist since I won't have to worry about being thrown out

[21:10] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL

[21:10] <BobWestbrook> :) OK, let's get to Isaiah

[21:10] <tryChrist> there is always Jail :)

[21:10] <MarvBMar> we will have to do some super duper praying for you then!!! :-)

[21:10] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL maybe an earthquake will happen LOL

[21:10] <CJ-Seeker> Oh Man..And now I have to go

[21:11] <BobWestbrook> Jail isn't so bad, you get plenty of time to read :)

[21:11] <WorthyNewsEditor> and the jailkeeper will run in and say... What must I do to be saved? LOL

[21:11] <MarvBMar> seeker!!!!!!!!!

[21:11] <tryChrist> and plenty of ears that can't run !!

[21:11] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL Bob!

[21:11] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL try

[21:11] <BobWestbrook> Isaiah 14:29-32

[21:11] <WorthyNewsEditor> Let's go Bob what chapter and verse are we discussing tonight?

[21:11] <Bezalel3> Night Seeker

[21:11] <MarvBMar> they can put you in wuith all the plo militanyts

[21:12] <CJ-Seeker> Ok night.. I was here early so that should count for something :)

[21:12] <MarvBMar> God bless seeker

[21:12] <CJ-Seeker> TY

[21:12] <BobWestbrook> Did you know, that when Arabic speakers say "Palestine" it is pronounce "Philistine"?

[21:12] <MarvBMar> :-)

[21:12] <MarvBMar> no kidding I never noticed that

[21:13] <tryChrist> night seeker :)

[21:13] <WorthyNewsEditor> intersesting passage sounds like some other passages :-)

[21:13] <BobWestbrook> I want to start with the last verse first

[21:13] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 14:32 NIV) What answer shall be given to the envoys of that nation? "The LORD has established Zion, and in her his afflicted people will find refuge."

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[21:13] <BobWestbrook> The envoys of "that nation" - the Philistines, based on the context

[21:13] <MarvBMar> this is a long chapter

[21:14] <BobWestbrook> What are these "envoys" being told by the Lord ?

[21:14] <MarvBMar> ohhhh wow

[21:14] <WorthyNewsEditor> That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

[21:14] <MarvBMar> now if we can get the plo & arabs to read this

[21:14] <BobWestbrook> What's an envoy?

[21:15] <Bezalel3> Powell is an envoy....

[21:15] <tryChrist> Zini

[21:15] <MarvBMar> one who speaks for a government

[21:15] <tryChrist> :)

[21:15] <BobWestbrook> This statement has deep historical overtones, right? The Jewish state was founded as a refuge, especially in the aftermath of the Holocaust

[21:15] <BobWestbrook> Right, a messenger, ambassador, spokesperson

[21:16] <BobWestbrook> negotiator

[21:16] <tryChrist> Moses?!

[21:16] <BobWestbrook> God is reaffirming his plan for the founding of the modern state of Israel

[21:16] <MarvBMar> I don't see Moses as an envoy

[21:16] <tryChrist> for God!

[21:17] <BobWestbrook> and reaffirming that it will indeed be a place of refuge and safety for the Jewish people

[21:17] <BobWestbrook> I surmise that the "answer" is given not in response to a question, but a demand that the land belongs to them instead

[21:17] <BobWestbrook> God says instead - Nope

[21:18] <BobWestbrook> Given that understanding, the preceding parts may be easier to interpret

[21:18] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 14:29 NIV) Do not rejoice, all you Philistines, that the rod that struck you is broken; from the root of that snake will spring up a viper, its fruit will be a darting, venomous serpent.

[21:19] <BobWestbrook> Could Sharon possibly be "the rod that struck you"? Does this mean that the successor to Sharon will finish the job in a more thorough manner?

[21:20] <BobWestbrook> And why would the "Philistines" be celebrating this persons removal from office, presumably through death?

[21:20] <tryChrist> perhaps, Bibi want to deal with them severely

[21:20] <BobWestbrook> I wrote an interpretative paraphrase of this back in September

[21:20] <Bezalel3> If Sharon were assassinated, Bibi would certainly move out with retribution in mind.

[21:20] <BobWestbrook> Do not celebrate, Palestinians, that the leader of Israel who struck you has died in office. If he was a snake to you, his successor will be a viper, a fiery, venomous serpent. My helpless people will have provisions and security, but your root will be destroyed by famine. The few who remain I will kill.

[21:21] <BobWestbrook> the second verse: (Isaiah 14:30 NIV) The poorest of the poor will find pasture, and the needy will lie down in safety. But your root I will destroy by famine; it will slay your survivors.

[21:22] <BobWestbrook> "Destroyed by famine" - that certainly describes the dire self-imposed economic plight the Palestinians now find themselves in

[21:22] <BobWestbrook> Everybody still here? :)

[21:22] <tryChrist> Matthew 24:7 ? famines

[21:22] <WorthyNewsEditor> yes just reading the passage to see if this is a pure dual fulfillment passage :-)

[21:23] <Bezalel3> Iraq's cutting off oil for food comes to mind, Bob.

[21:23] <MarvBMar> Bob I do not see them in such dire need .. the un is at the door

[21:23] <BobWestbrook> It probably is a dual fulfillment passage

[21:23] <WorthyNewsEditor> I know Bob :-) just studying the passage and the keywords :-)

[21:23] <BobWestbrook> Next verse: Wail, O gate! Howl, O city! Melt away, all you Philistines! A cloud of smoke comes from the north, and there is not a straggler in its ranks.

[21:24] <BobWestbrook> My interpretation: Wail, O Palestinian cities, for you are doomed! See that cloud of smoke from the north? That's the demise of your allies. Take a good look, then melt away and flee in terror, Palestinians. When you leave, there will not be any stragglers in your ranks.

[21:24] <MarvBMar> nor do I see them all dieing just yet

[21:24] <BobWestbrook> "Smoke from the North" - after Israel nukes Hezbollah?

[21:24] <BobWestbrook> perhaps

[21:24] <Bezalel3> Or God nukes them....

[21:25] <MarvBMar> nukes???

[21:25] <MarvBMar> not real nukes??

[21:25] <BobWestbrook> and, the fleeing from terror is described in great detail in the next two chapters

[21:25] <BobWestbrook> Yes, real ones

[21:25] <MarvBMar> I don't see Israel nuking

[21:25] <tryChrist> I must be off, shalom all.

[21:25] <WorthyNewsEditor> well Israel has mini nukes basically confinement nukes

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[21:26] <MarvBMar> Tanks but not nukles

[21:26] <BobWestbrook> If, Marion, Hezbollah unleashes chemical or biological weaponry, as they seem likely to do, Israel would have NO CHOICE

[21:26] <MarvBMar> that will be armegedon time

[21:26] <BobWestbrook> they could not take the time to utilize a conventional attack

[21:26] <BobWestbrook> and risk further WMD

[21:26] <MarvBMar> wmd?

[21:27] <WorthyNewsEditor> I remember reading a story in the London Times about Israel having mini nuke tank mines on the northern front small nukes small enough to wipe out a small area without a fallout

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> this is what I expect will happen, and it's a scenario that others are raising as well

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> right, George

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> Weapons of Mass Destruction

[21:27] <MarvBMar> ok thanks

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> tactical nuclear devices, probably neutron bombs

[21:28] <BobWestbrook> Now, think about the world response if that were to happen

[21:28] <MarvBMar> scary to think about

[21:28] <MarvBMar> they would al;l be against Israel

[21:29] <BobWestbrook> outrage off the scale, even though Israel would be entirely justified

[21:29] <Bezalel3> The world would forget that Hizb'allah launched first, and would blame Israel.

[21:29] <BobWestbrook> right

[21:29] <MarvBMar> right

[21:29] <Bezalel3> Just as the world ignores the fact that homicide bombers from PA struck first.

[21:30] <MarvBMar> the sure seem to forget that

[21:30] <BobWestbrook> This scenario, folks, is not out of the realm of probabilty - all it would take is a decision by the Islamic extremists to unleash those missiles

[21:30] <BobWestbrook> yes

[21:30] <Bezalel3> But, the Lord has told us that is the way it will happen.

[21:31] <Bezalel3> Israel will be despised among the nations, and turn to the Lord for salvation.

[21:31] <MarvBMar> That is why Powell was visiting all those arab countries this week

[21:31] <MarvBMar> to keep them calmed down

[21:31] <BobWestbrook> Right, Bez

[21:31] <WorthyNewsEditor> actually I think it was a tactical move

[21:32] <MarvBMar> Which is? George

[21:32] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Marion - there was a column I think the Washington Post this week outlining this very possibility

[21:32] <BobWestbrook> wish I could find it for you

[21:32] <WorthyNewsEditor> basically allowing Israel a few extra days to root out the terrorists before he gets there etc and once he arrives they start pulling out of areas they have made a substanial zone in

[21:32] <Bezalel3> Prolonging his arrival in Israel, so Sharon's continued invasion won't seem so contrary?

[21:32] <WorthyNewsEditor> right

[21:33] <MarvBMar> I think Powell & Bush know Sharoin has no choice BUT to continue but don't want to upset their coilition

[21:33] <Bezalel3> I find the current world protests to be fulfillment of prophesy.....and the stupid continue to believe the protestors are right.

[21:33] <WorthyNewsEditor> think about it 7 days since Bush's speech about pulling out of Israel etc but what real pressure is being placed etc

[21:34] <BobWestbrook> George, I published a new article today, entitled "Indecent Interference" - but it's more political than prophetic, and pretty strongly worded, so not sure if you want to use it on your site or not

[21:35] <BobWestbrook> Powell will be meeting with Sharon in just a few hours, so we need to pray about that!

[21:35] <Bezalel3> Bob, where do you see the Turks and Pakistanis falling in during the war.

[21:36] <WorthyNewsEditor> that's 2 different zones Bezalel are you referring to the war on terrorism?

[21:36] <BobWestbrook> Interesting question Bez, I was watching a show today with a Bible teacher....

[21:36] <MarvBMar> I think the news media is making it look like Bush is upset with Sharon to the point of cutting off some support but today ari Flicher said & said several times that we are a friend & supporter to Israel

[21:36] <BobWestbrook> and he referred to a Scripture in Jeremiah that mentions the Turks (and others), coming against Babylon

[21:37] <BobWestbrook> Let me find it

[21:37] <Bezalel3> No, the regional war of the Middle East.....the Turks have been quiet about most things these days, and Pakistan appears to be trying to gain favor with US.

[21:37] <WorthyNewsEditor> oh well I consider the Turks being involved against Iraq

[21:37] <WorthyNewsEditor> the Pakistanis do not have as stable of a govt as I would like for sure

[21:37] <BobWestbrook> Well, Turkey has been Israeli's closest "ally" in that region lately, if you can call it that

[21:38] <BobWestbrook> some degree of military cooperation

[21:38] <MarvBMar> The Turks will remain our alis

[21:38] <BobWestbrook> joint exercises with US, Israel, and Turkey

[21:39] <BobWestbrook> though they, like everyone else, have been screaming about Israel's "offensive"

[21:39] <MarvBMar> didn't they just have some sort of "exercises " there

[21:39] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Marion, but they didn't include Israel this time around

[21:39] <MarvBMar> I never saw them scream about the bombings in Israel though

[21:40] <BobWestbrook> Regarding the Pakistanis, Bez, I would guess they are too far away to make any difference

[21:40] <Bezalel3> Just like American college campuses, huh, Marion.

[21:40] <MarvBMar> nor angry mobs in the streets, etc

[21:40] <BobWestbrook> Other than an supply of mujahadeen

[21:41] <Bezalel3> The Turks could be a blunt instrument against Iraq....

[21:41] <BobWestbrook> OK, here are those verses

[21:41] <MarvBMar> hope they get sharpened up, Bez

[21:41] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 51:24-25 NIV) "Before your eyes I will repay Babylon and all who live in Babylonia for all the wrong they have done in Zion," declares the LORD. {25} "I am against you, O destroying mountain, you who destroy the whole earth," declares the LORD. "I will stretch out my hand against you, roll you off the cliffs, and make you a burned-out mountain.

[21:42] <BobWestbrook> (Jeremiah 51:26-27 NIV) No rock will be taken from you for a cornerstone, nor any stone for a foundation, for you will be desolate forever," declares the LORD. {27} "Lift up a banner in the land! Blow the trumpet among the nations! Prepare the nations for battle against her; summon against her these kingdoms: Ararat, Minni and Ashkenaz. Appoint a commander against her; send up horses like a swarm of locusts.

[21:42] <BobWestbrook> Ararat is Turkey

[21:42] <BobWestbrook> Ashkenaz is Europe

[21:42] <BobWestbrook> And Minni, not sure, one of the former Soviet regions I think

[21:42] <BobWestbrook> Minsk comes to mind

[21:43] <BobWestbrook> When or what this is talking about, I don't know

[21:43] <Bezalel3> Against Babylon, right?

[21:43] <BobWestbrook> yes

[21:44] <Bezalel3> Hard to imagine Europe as fighting against Babylon....:-)

[21:44] <BobWestbrook> and, the placement of that section is in proximity to other verses that describe end-time events

[21:44] <BobWestbrook> but I don't know

[21:45] <MarvBMar> well it could be possible if Iraq does something & we , with a coalition go in there

[21:45] <Bezalel3> Well, Revelation does prophesy the fall of Babylon.

[21:45] <BobWestbrook> For example, chapter 49 touches on war against Jordan and Syria

[21:46] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Bez, and some of the verses in this general vicinity are quoted in Revelation

[21:47] <Bezalel3> That could be interesting, seeing Europe's position today.

[21:47] <MarvBMar> yes but they have comitted to this coalition

[21:48] <MarvBMar> I think that is why Powell keeps trying to keep the coalition togeter

[21:48] <Bezalel3> Not to a coalition against Iraq, though....at least only Britain has said they would support the US in an Iraqi invasion.

[21:49] <BobWestbrook> I have a question for you all... we know how the world has shown support of the Palestinians

[21:49] <MarvBMar> I don't mean if we were to go in right now , but if something major happened by Iraq

[21:49] <Bezalel3> Bob, who/what is Leb Kamai?

[21:50] <Bezalel3> Yes, Marion.

[21:50] <BobWestbrook> Yet in Ezekiel 35, it says that when God "makes them desolate",the whole world will applaud and celebrate

[21:50] <Bezalel3> Maybe all but France.

[21:50] <BobWestbrook> what could cause that to happen?

[21:51] <MarvBMar> I think most countries know they need to side with us, they can't stand alone against any force

[21:51] <BobWestbrook> Leb Kamai?

[21:51] <Bezalel3> The truth being told about the PA?

[21:51] <Bezalel3> Yes, Leb Kamai, mentioned in Jer 51:1

[21:51] <BobWestbrook> Or, that they did some deed so horrible that the world temporarily sympathizes with Israel?

[21:52] <Bezalel3> An attack equivalent of 9-11.

[21:52] <BobWestbrook> Right

[21:52] <BobWestbrook> I don't know what Leb Kamai is - let me find out

[21:53] <MarvBMar> back up.... who do you mean Bob

[21:53] <Bezalel3> That's scary, to think about it....the death and destruction would be a terrible blow to Israel.

[21:53] <Bezalel3> The Palestinians, Marion....(Philistines)

[21:54] <BobWestbrook> Dunno, Marion, just speculating what would make the whole world rejoice at the demise of the Palestinians

[21:54] <MarvBMar> I think that although the arabs are for the plo they know they are also a troublesomne stone

[21:55] <Bezalel3> Bible Gateway says it is a cryptogram for Chaldea (Babylonia), Bob....

[21:55] <BobWestbrook> Bez, here is what I found: There is another cryptogram in Jeremiah 51:1 where Leb Kamai stands for Chaldea which is Babylon. Leb Kamai literally means "the heart of my attackers" (see NIV note). This meaning perfectly describes Babylon. There are very few cryptograms in scripture - from http://bibleandscience.com/biblecodes.htm

[21:55] <BobWestbrook> you beat me to it :)

[21:55] <Bezalel3> Thanks, Bob...

[21:56] <BobWestbrook> isn't the internet wonderful? :)

[21:56] <Bezalel3> Yeah, pretty dumb huh. I could have answered my own question all along...yet had to bug you. :-)

[21:56] <MarvBMar> how do you find things so fast

[21:57] <BobWestbrook> I used Google

[21:57] <Bezalel3> I usually have a couple of IE windows open Marion....

[21:57] <BobWestbrook> We're multitaskers from awayyyyy back :)

[21:57] <Bezalel3> Google is my search page of choice, also, Bob.

[21:58] <Bezalel3> Yup, and even hold funerals for our wive's PCs....:-)

[21:58] <MarvBMar> so you open the extra windows & have them ready?

[21:58] <WorthyNewsEditor> sorry I am in the midst of a server switch LOL

[21:58] <BobWestbrook> I gutted it

[21:58] <Bezalel3> Yes, Marion...

[21:58] <MarvBMar> hehehe lol Bez

[21:59] <BobWestbrook> And took out the old hard drive, put it in the new PC as a 2nd drive, so was able to save the data

[21:59] <MarvBMar> I have a question for you then Bob

[21:59] <Bezalel3> I'll be doing that Satuday, George. However, it is just a one-site business server, so no web headaches.

[21:59] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Marion?

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[21:59] <Bezalel3> Hi Servant.

[21:59] <BobWestbrook> Welcome, Servant

[21:59] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL Bezalel I wish I had it that simple !

[22:00] <Servant2Him2> Hello!

[22:00] <MarvBMar> ]I got a new pc but haven't hooked it up to the net yet. I am not sure about transferring the files etc

[22:00] <WorthyNewsEditor> it's scary to do this for me because of the amount of information you have to double check

[22:00] <Bezalel3> All those links....

[22:00] <BobWestbrook> Transferring the files can be a real headache if you are not a techie

[22:00] <MarvBMar> hi servant

[22:00] <MarvBMar> I am NO techie

[22:00] <BobWestbrook> hmmmmmmm

[22:01] <Servant2Him2> 2Hello there! How is everyone tonight?

[22:01] <Bezalel3> That's where a home network comes in handy, Marion.

[22:01] <WorthyNewsEditor> forget the links I couldn't do that I just have to set up the servers for each domain worthynews.com is just one of the many servers that I have

[22:01] <MarvBMar> actually had the new puter since Feb. & there it sits

[22:01] <BobWestbrook> Well, you can use a product called LapLink to hook the two PCs up using the parallel ports

[22:01] <MarvBMar> home network?

[22:01] <BobWestbrook> no, but that's another alternative

[22:01] <BobWestbrook> I have a home network here

[22:02] <BobWestbrook> it's easy to transfer files over the home network

[22:02] <Bezalel3> Same here, run a couple of Unix servers and PCs through a cable modem...and to each other.

[22:02] <MarvBMar> If I hook them up will thy both be able to be on line?

[22:02] <BobWestbrook> Yes, theoretically, that's what I do here

[22:03] <BobWestbrook> I have a network hub, and a router that allows sharing of cable modem access to all PCs

[22:03] <Bezalel3> You run a server for dial-up, Bob? Or do you have a high-speed connection?

[22:03] <MarvBMar> now you have lost me!!!!!!!:-)

[22:03] <WorthyNewsEditor> gotta love the cable LOL

[22:03] <Bezalel3> That's what I'm doing, Bob....cheaper than multiple IPs through the cable modem.

[22:04] <BobWestbrook> Sorry, Servant, we were talking about Bible prophecy and Israel earlier, honest!

[22:04] <BobWestbrook> :)

[22:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> I have the same thing hooked up to 4 computers here

[22:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL Bob

[22:04] <Servant2Him2> 2lol! Sure you were!

[22:04] <BobWestbrook> :)

[22:04] <MarvBMar> 4 computers?

[22:04] <BobWestbrook> I have 4 computers hooked up here also

[22:04] <Servant2Him2> 2:-)

[22:04] <Bezalel3> I have 4 also, Marion....

[22:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> well all of them are older LOL

[22:05] <WorthyNewsEditor> I need to buy another one but I am praying in the funds for it LOL

[22:05] <Bezalel3> Two are backup servers for the company...

[22:05] <WorthyNewsEditor> 500 mhz is my fastest computer so I am in need ! LOL !

[22:05] <Bezalel3> I does allow me to work from home, though. And, that I like.

[22:05] <MarvBMar> well I can understand you needing them in your line of work Bez

[22:06] <Bezalel3> Bob and George need them too. Bob's photography is all digital if I'm not mistaken...

[22:06] <BobWestbrook> Yes, all digital, humungo files

[22:06] <Bezalel3> You probably have some fancy printers, too, huh, Bob?

[22:06] <MarvBMar> servant we got off the track just bare with us

[22:07] <BobWestbrook> Yeah, some professional photo printers, one dye sublimation

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[22:07] <Bezalel3> Hi Patricia, Shalom.

[22:07] <Servant2Him2> 2No problem. These things need discussed some times!

[22:07] <MarvBMar> hi Patricia

[22:07] <IMBPatricia> wow Hi Bez...

[22:07] <IMBPatricia> Hi everyone

[22:07] <BobWestbrook> Hi Patricia!

[22:07] <IMBPatricia> sorry to be so late

[22:08] <MarvBMar> I am the one in need but it is beyond me!!!!

[22:08] <BobWestbrook> Ok, newcomers, the stage is yours - take it away! Tell us what you want to talk about

[22:08] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL I would like to discuss favorite toppings on Pizza? LOL Just kidding LOL

[22:08] <BobWestbrook> It's not too hard to set up a home network, Marion, but would be hard for a novice

[22:08] <BobWestbrook> :) Pepperoni

[22:09] <MarvBMar> that makes me think of a funny pizza I had in Israel

[22:09] <BobWestbrook> Extra cheese, of course

[22:09] <Servant2Him2> 2Same here!

[22:09] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL

[22:09] <IMBPatricia> vegetarian beef

[22:09] <BobWestbrook> Vegatarian beef???

[22:09] <Bezalel3> Isn't that an oxymoron, Patricia?

[22:09] <WorthyNewsEditor> do you live in California? Patricia?

[22:09] <MarvBMar> it was on matza I think!!!!!

[22:09] <BobWestbrook> Yucko

[22:09] <BobWestbrook> :)

[22:09] <Servant2Him2> 2Veg beef?

[22:09] <Servant2Him2> 2!

[22:09] <IMBPatricia> I used to order it at Domino's

[22:09] <BobWestbrook> Takes all the fun out of pizza :)

[22:09] <IMBPatricia> I love veggies

[22:09] <IMBPatricia> but wanted beef too

[22:10] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL I was kidding LOL

[22:10] <BobWestbrook> :)

[22:10] <MarvBMar> does it really taste like beef

[22:10] <BobWestbrook> I can just see Stan shaking his head as he reads this log :)

[22:10] <MarvBMar> thanks anyway Bob

[22:10] <Servant2Him2> 2Sounds like a vegetarian with a naughty side to her there! :-)

[22:10] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL Bob LOL

[22:10] <IMBPatricia> I just wanted the balance

[22:11] <Servant2Him2> 2Cool!

[22:11] <IMBPatricia> heh heh

[22:11] <BobWestbrook> OK, Servant and Patricia, we are waiting for your insights

[22:11] <BobWestbrook> I got a really nifty email today

[22:11] <IMBPatricia> re: ? what?

[22:11] <MarvBMar> hehehe yes when you think that this log will be read by others

[22:12] <Servant2Him2> 2Hmmmm. I haven't been chatting since VHL.

[22:12] <BobWestbrook> from an orthodox Jew in London, who said he really enjoyed my writings on Bible prophecy, and it was inspiring him to look deeper into the Tanakh

[22:12] <MarvBMar> good that you are back then servant

[22:12] <MarvBMar> thats great Bob

[22:12] <Bezalel3> Wow, Bob. That must have felt good.

[22:12] <IMBPatricia> Bob, that is wonderful.

[22:12] <BobWestbrook> He asked me if I ever come to London to speak :)

[22:12] <Servant2Him2> 2Thx! :->

[22:12] <MarvBMar> wow

[22:12] <IMBPatricia> so be it

[22:13] <BobWestbrook> Yes, I wish you all could read the letter - it's great how the Lord is bringing Christians and Jews together now

[22:13] <Servant2Him2> 2Amen!

[22:13] <MarvBMar> sometimes we wonder if they will hear but look!!

[22:13] <IMBPatricia> yes it is Bob

[22:13] <MarvBMar> praise the Lord

[22:14] <BobWestbrook> I've received several letters of this kind in the last few months

[22:14] <MarvBMar> did he say how he came to your site Bob

[22:14] <MarvBMar> or was it on IMB

[22:14] <BobWestbrook> no, he didn't, I assume through Israel Insider or a web search

[22:14] <Bezalel3> You have a great gift, Bob. No wonder people are finding you.

[22:15] <MarvBMar> I am proud of you Bob & how the Lord is using you

[22:15] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Bez, and the Lord reminds me every day what a gift it is, meaning, how in my weakness His power comes out

[22:15] <BobWestbrook> some of "my best" writings have been when I have been on real low due to circumstances, but He does it and gets the glory

[22:16] <Bezalel3> You have been, and continue to be, a great guide in my spiritual travels.

[22:16] <MarvBMar> as long as you draw your strength from HIM & not your own He will continue to bless & increase

[22:16] <BobWestbrook> Thanks, friends :)

[22:16] <IMBPatricia> that reminds me of Mark 8: 34-35

[22:17] <BobWestbrook> I must tell you, though, that the attacks of the enemy are intensifying - it's been a quite a ride lately

[22:17] <MarvBMar> we lost george in his server transfers

[22:17] <BobWestbrook> I need to learn more to be strong in the power of His might

[22:17] <IMBPatricia> yes it has Bob

[22:17] <IMBPatricia> we are to take up our cross daily

[22:17] <Servant2Him2> 2How so, Bob?

[22:17] <WorthyNewsEditor> actually the sites are still down

[22:18] <MarvBMar> they will intensify. One way you know you are doing the Lord's work. Makes satan mad

[22:18] <WorthyNewsEditor> it s in the middle of a server switch and then I have to reconfigure scripts

[22:18] <Bezalel3> What OS are you using, George?

[22:19] <BobWestbrook> How so? Some very difficult situations - I can see that Satan's tactic on me is to try to get me to despair and give up - but I'm not going to

[22:19] <BobWestbrook> AND - God has really come through in some miraculous ways

[22:19] <BobWestbrook> and I do mean miraculous

[22:19] <Bezalel3> Our prayers are there for you, Bob.

[22:19] <IMBPatricia> amen Bob, me neither

[22:19] <MarvBMar> If the enemy isin't bothering us we should look to see if we are doing anything to bother the enemy

[22:19] <BobWestbrook> Right, Marion

[22:20] <Servant2Him2> 2Yes, we will keep you in our prayers too!

[22:20] <Servant2Him2> 2Hey, I like that one Marv

[22:20] <BobWestbrook> He can knock me down 20 times, and I'm getting up 20 times :)

[22:20] <MarvBMar> as Paul said...count it all Joy!

[22:20] <MarvBMar> :-)

[22:20] <BobWestbrook> :)

[22:20] <IMBPatricia> 621 times

[22:20] <IMBPatricia> 6 21

[22:21] <MarvBMar> it is so true servant

[22:21] <Bezalel3> Like flying an airplane, as long as the landings equal the takeoffs...

[22:21] <Servant2Him2> 2I have been reading Job lately and all that happened to him.....similar

[22:21] <IMBPatricia> 6as overcomers, we can win one time MORE in the battles than the enemy

[22:22] <BobWestbrook> I like the book of Job

[22:22] <MarvBMar> just keep remembering ...Jesus said I have overcome the world

[22:22] <BobWestbrook> Right, Patricia :)

[22:22] <MarvBMar> He has won

[22:23] <IMBPatricia> 6yes, but I love the books of John and Revelation better

[22:23] <BobWestbrook> I'm gonna get my licks in before it's all over :)

[22:23] <MarvBMar> & we are on the Lord's side

[22:23] <Servant2Him2> 2Yes!

[22:23] <Bezalel3> Grrrrrrrr, Bob...:-)

[22:23] <BobWestbrook> Job is probably the oldest book as far as time of writing, and those people certainly had a knowledge of the Lord, didn't they!

[22:23] <BobWestbrook> :) Bez

[22:24] <IMBPatricia> 6the Sword of the Spirit is the offenseive weapon that the enemy will be beat with!

[22:24] <MarvBMar> stand right up & growl in the enemy's face

[22:24] <WorthyNewsEditor> I like the end of the book! the best :-)

[22:24] <MarvBMar> amen

[22:24] <BobWestbrook> Good advice, Marion :)

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[22:24] <IMBPatricia> 6the Word of God will never pass away

[22:24] <MarvBMar> You mean Rev.

[22:24] <BobWestbrook> Welcome, Rhema

[22:24] <Servant2Him2> 2Yes, I am on Chapter 29 now.

[22:24] <Bezalel3> How stupid Satan must be. He must know how it ends, but still thinks he has a chance to win.

[22:24] <MarvBMar> Hi Rehema

[22:25] <BobWestbrook> Just from a literary standpoint, the language is magnificent

[22:25] <Servant2Him2> 2Hi Rhema1

[22:25] <RHEMA1> Good Morning all ye Saints

[22:25] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Bez

[22:25] <IMBPatricia> 6Pride and stupidity have the same picture in the dictionary: Satan's

[22:25] <MarvBMar> Bez he knows he has lost but he is trying to take as many with him to eternal damnation as he can

[22:25] <Bezalel3> Good morning, Rhema? Where are you?

[22:25] <RHEMA1> South Africa

[22:26] <MarvBMar> & trying to make the Christian as ineffective as he can

[22:26] <Bezalel3> That's true Marion.

[22:26] <Servant2Him2> 2Morning?:-O

[22:26] <BobWestbrook> Blimy! South Africa! :)

[22:26] <RHEMA1> It is 4:25 AM here

[22:26] <Bezalel3> Well then BIG welcome, Rhema. Stan has told us the difficulty getting through from South Africa, across the net.

[22:27] <MarvBMar> sometimes we play right into his hands

[22:27] <RHEMA1> yes it s a problem but here I am

[22:27] <MarvBMar> to be on guard In full armor & STAND!!!

[22:27] <BobWestbrook> Ok, well, for the newcomers, welcome - what would you like to discuss?

[22:27] <Bezalel3> Amen, Marion.

[22:27] <MarvBMar> Good morning to you

[22:27] <MarvBMar> It is 10:30 PM here in NY

[22:28] <Servant2Him2> 2 8:30 pm here Alberta, Canada

[22:28] <Bezalel3> 7:30 in Washington (state)

[22:28] <Bezalel3> PM

[22:29] <RHEMA1> yes I seem to be between 7 and 9 hours into your Future>>>LOL

[22:29] <MarvBMar> yehehe

[22:29] <Servant2Him2> 2Early risers and evening chatters! :-)

[22:29] <Bezalel3> So, what's going to happen today, Rhema?

[22:29] <BobWestbrook> LOL

[22:30] <MarvBMar> Bob I thought it was an interesting point - Paistinians & Phistines

[22:30] <RHEMA1> dont know it is still too dark outside to see LOL

[22:30] <MarvBMar> Palistinians

[22:30] <Bezalel3> LOL

[22:31] <MarvBMar> Rehema do you always get up this early or did you get up to join us

[22:31] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Marion, I'm convinced that a number of prophecies to the "Philistines" are actually about the Palestinians of toray

[22:31] <BobWestbrook> today

[22:31] <RHEMA1> I missed the chats so far as I have to be on the net at 3AM to be able to join

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[22:32] <MarvBMar> I will be looking at it that way as I read the scriptues

[22:32] <Servant2Him2> 2Is there chats here often?

[22:32] <BobWestbrook> Here's a resource I just stumbled on while doing that web search for Bez:

[22:32] <Bezalel3> Tuesdays and Thursdays, 8 PM ET, Servant

[22:32] <RHEMA1> Marv I normally get up around this time>>the kids had the net on so I joined

[22:32] <MarvBMar> here on tuesday & thursday

[22:33] <Servant2Him2> 2Great! I will watch for it!

[22:33] <BobWestbrook> Jewish Publication Society 1917 translation of Tanakh http://www.breslov.com/bible/

[22:33] <MarvBMar> at 8PM eastern time

[22:33] <MarvBMar> on Friday at crossing Jordon

[22:33] <MarvBMar> it was started when VHL was down

[22:33] <Bezalel3> Tuesday is Watchmen, with Stan from Jerusalem, Thurs. is our famous Bob for Prophesy.

[22:33] <MarvBMar> Friday at ( PM eastern time

[22:34] <MarvBMar> 9 pm

[22:34] <BobWestbrook> "famous Bob"? :) A legend in his own mind, right? :)

[22:34] <MarvBMar> hehehehehe

[22:34] <Bezalel3> Noooo, in my mind maybe...:-)

[22:34] <Servant2Him2> 2Yes, I remember the Prophecy chats from VHL.

[22:34] <MarvBMar> gee most legends never get to know

[22:35] <BobWestbrook> ok, enough already :) Let's back to some serious stuff :)

[22:35] <RHEMA1> well some of you might remember me from VHL

[22:35] <MarvBMar> hehehe

[22:35] <Bezalel3> Were you Truth, Rhema?

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[22:35] <BobWestbrook> I do remember the chap from South Africa

[22:36] <RHEMA1> My nic was proalex or truth I am Alex my wife is Sarie

[22:36] <MarvBMar> chap may be a chapette!!!!!!!!!! lol

[22:36] <BobWestbrook> Chap or chapette?

[22:36] <BobWestbrook> Welcome Alex :)

[22:36] <Bezalel3> I do remember you, Rhema (as Truth).

[22:36] <MarvBMar> Bez you are so good to keep us all straight

[22:37] <RHEMA1> t/y Bob

[22:37] <Servant2Him2> 2Hello Alex! I sent you an email today! :-) Keeping you in my prayers!

[22:37] <Bezalel3> Long-term memory hasn't gone, yet....just the short-term.

[22:37] <MarvBMar> especially since we have had problems with name changes here on talk city

[22:37] <RHEMA1> LOL @ Bezalel

[22:37] <Bezalel3> And, after all, this is family....

[22:38] <MarvBMar> well the short term means yiou are getting older!!!!!

[22:38] <RHEMA1> Thank you servant we NEED your prayers

[22:38] <MarvBMar> Take it from me......I know

[22:38] <BobWestbrook> Doing a news check - the sun will be rising in Israel shortly

[22:38] <Bezalel3> Amen to that, Marion.

[22:38] <BobWestbrook> Saudi embassy in U.S. denies reports that it encourages suicide bombings by funding Palestinian families (Reuters)

[22:38] <Servant2Him2> 2Yes, so your previous email said!

[22:38] <RHEMA1> does anyone know what happened to Diane?

[22:38] <IMBPatricia> 6lie

[22:39] <BobWestbrook> The Saudis have been funding terrorism for years

[22:39] <Bezalel3> I don't Rhema....

[22:39] <IMBPatricia> 6yes Bob so true

[22:39] <Servant2Him2> 2I don't understand the world! Palestinians send bombers constantly and the world feels sorry for them?!?!

[22:39] <BobWestbrook> their objective is limited destabilization of the region, to keep anyone else from getting too strong, so they pursue of policy of funding various groups

[22:40] <Servant2Him2> 2Talk about a blind eye!

[22:40] <MarvBMar> somehow they think they have a right to kill innocent people

[22:40] <IMBPatricia> 6( that comes from Satan

[22:40] <Bezalel3> The Palestinians are used to keep the pot stirred.

[22:41] <BobWestbrook> The Saudis support a wide variety of factions in a lot of countries in the region, pitting them against each other - they fear any regional nation that could become too strong

[22:41] <Bezalel3> Such as Iraq during Desert Storm....

[22:41] <RHEMA1> well to them being a suicide bomber is a ticket into Glory Land

[22:42] <Servant2Him2> 2Well stirred! Arafat is playing cat and mouse! A stab here....a poke there.....

[22:42] <BobWestbrook> Unlike the Iraqis, and Syrians, and Egyptians, who have favored at various times some flavor of Arab nationalism (a greater Arab nation) the Saudis just want to be left alone to bask in their oil riches

[22:42] <MarvBMar> we need to as has just been started to be said that they are homicide bombers not suicide bombers

[22:42] <Servant2Him2> 2Exactly!

[22:43] <MarvBMar> & call it as it is Murders not poor people without a home

[22:43] <Servant2Him2> 2I shoke my head when I saw Arafat on the cover of Time, looking like a poor, whipped puppy!

[22:43] <MarvBMar> with his candle!!!!!

[22:44] <Servant2Him2> 2He knows how to play the media and THAT is important!

[22:44] <MarvBMar> there are a lot of people without a home that don't go around bombing inbocent people

[22:44] <BobWestbrook> The talk I've heard today on the news is that the US wants the Israeli-Palestinian conflict calmed down so they can have a freer hand to pursue Saddam Hussein

[22:45] <BobWestbrook> from Ha'Aretz: Former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu last night told the U.S. administration not to wait until there is calm in the territories before going ahead with its planned attack on Iraq.

[22:45] <BobWestbrook> Netanyahu apparently spoke to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon before going to the White House to meet with U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. He also briefed the prime minister at the meeting's end.

[22:45] <MarvBMar> Bob I don't see how we could go into Iraq right now

[22:45] <MarvBMar> we are not finished in Afganistan

[22:46] <BobWestbrook> Well, apparently that is the plan

[22:46] <Servant2Him2> 2Well, I have to run. My wife gets off work at 9 and I have to pick her up. This was great! God Bless you all!

[22:46] <BobWestbrook> See ya Servant! God bless!

[22:46] <Bezalel3> Night, Servant, see you Tuesday.

[22:46] <Servant2Him2> 2;-) You bet!

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[22:46] <RHEMA1> Good Night Servant

[22:47] <BobWestbrook> What I've heard is a substantial ground force, though not on the scale of Desert Storm

[22:47] <MarvBMar> He spoke at the senate & said that if terrorism isn't stopped we could see the homicide bombings here in all our cities

[22:47] <Bezalel3> I probably should go too. My wife is cooking dinner (and giving me "the look")

[22:47] <BobWestbrook> I'm reading a news report that says Arafat's cell phone no longer works :)

[22:47] <WorthyNewsEditor> my site is totally on the berserk! LOL

[22:47] <BobWestbrook> See ya Bez! :)

[22:48] <BobWestbrook> uh oh George!

[22:48] <MarvBMar> Poor arafat

[22:48] <Bezalel3> Night, and God Bless you all.....

[22:48] <RHEMA1> Good night Bezalel

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[22:48] <IMBPatricia> 6gonna have to leave as well...but just wanted to ask everyone to pray for Israel, their time next Wednesday, April 17th

[22:48] <BobWestbrook> Night Patricia!

[22:48] <MarvBMar> why the 17th

[22:49] <BobWestbrook> George, did you hear about the pro-Israel rally planned for Monday the 15th in Washington?

[22:49] <IMBPatricia> 6night Bob, I ask God's blessings to to overpower and flow into your life

[22:49] <WorthyNewsEditor> yes but I can't make it I have ot work

[22:49] <BobWestbrook> Thank you Patricia

[22:49] <WorthyNewsEditor> and also that's tax day !

[22:49] <MarvBMar> nite Patricia

[22:49] <IMBPatricia> 6it is Israel Day of Independence on the 17th

[22:49] <BobWestbrook> Yeah, I didn't do my taxes yet either

[22:50] <MarvBMar> oh thanks

[22:50] <IMBPatricia> 6night bros and sisters.

[22:50] <WorthyNewsEditor> I would get all my stuff done earlier but I go down to Charleston SC this weekend

[22:50] <MarvBMar> Shalom

[22:50] <BobWestbrook> No running water in Arafats compound - he must smell pretty ripe by now

[22:50] <RHEMA1> Night Patricia

[22:50] <IMBPatricia> 6I love you and speak blessings to you.goodnight

[22:50] <IMBPatricia> 6shalom

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[22:50] <BobWestbrook> Hope Powell gets a real noseful :)

[22:50] <BobWestbrook> LOL

[22:50] <MarvBMar> shalom

[22:50] <WorthyNewsEditor> and I have a ton of work to do down there then I drive back sunday night then work monday then taxes

[22:50] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL bob!

[22:51] <BobWestbrook> On that enlightened note, it's time for me to exit :)

[22:51] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL I need to get in touch with my server guy

[22:51] <MarvBMar> now that will get simpathy for arafat

[22:51] <WorthyNewsEditor> he needs to set up the cgi scripts to execute LOL

[22:51] <BobWestbrook> Night, friends - hope the server thing works out quickly for you, George!

[22:51] <WorthyNewsEditor> they are just printing LOL

[22:51] <BobWestbrook> God bless all of you!

[22:52] <MarvBMar> Good night Bob

[22:52] <RHEMA1> Good Night Bob

[22:52] <MarvBMar> God bless you

[22:52] <WorthyNewsEditor> I hope so too ! Take care Bob!

[22:52] <MarvBMar> abundantly

[22:52] <WorthyNewsEditor> God bless everyone I am off to get some work done myself

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