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[19:54] <Bezalel3> Shalom, Bob....Marion's back

[19:54] <Bezalel3> Hi Skeets, welcome back.

[19:54] <Skeets4> Hi

[19:54] <BobWestbrook> Hi Marion, Bez, Skeets! :)

[19:55] <MarvBMar> hi Skeets

[19:55] <Skeets4> hi

[19:55] <BobWestbrook> A lot has happened since we last talked, huh?

[19:55] <Skeets4> Did everyone hear Bush's speech?

[19:55] <Skeets4> yes

[19:55] <BobWestbrook> I heard it, Skeets

[19:56] <BobWestbrook> It was very disappointing.....

[19:56] <MarvBMar> I just say a clip today not the whole speach

[19:56] <Skeets4> Fox News Hannity (sp?) said he needs to stop listening to the State Dpt and stand by his convictions

[19:56] <MarvBMar> in what way

[19:56] <MarvBMar> he was condemming Arafat

[19:56] <BobWestbrook> while he did express some degree of disappointment with Arafat...

[19:57] <BobWestbrook> Bush strongly reaffirmed the validity of a Palestinian state and the illegitimacy of the "settlements"

[19:57] <BobWestbrook> And mentioned UN resolution 242 if I recall correctly

[19:57] <Bezalel3> I did see a comment about sending Powell.

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[19:58] <BobWestbrook> Yes, he is sending Powell, and yes, Skeets, he should stop listening to the State Dept

[19:58] <Skeets4> Go to WorldWatchDaily.org and you can see the whole speech

[19:58] <BobWestbrook> Welcome, canderson!

[19:58] <Bezalel3> Mort Mondracke (sp?) said the conservatives are viewing the fact that Powell is going as "Okay, you wanted to be the hero, now go deal with Arafat."

[19:58] <canderson10> hello and thankyou what is the topic for today

[19:58] <BobWestbrook> The State Dept is historically and consistently pro-Arab

[19:59] <Skeets4> Some believe Bush gave in because of the rioting among Arab Nations

[19:59] <BobWestbrook> We'll be looking at Isaiah 14 in a little bit

[19:59] <MarvBMar> Hello Canderson

[19:59] <BobWestbrook> first we'll discuss the Middle East situation

[19:59] <Bezalel3> Yes, Bob....the bureaucracy of State is well-ingrained...

[19:59] <canderson10> guess i have not been watching the news what is going on

[20:00] <canderson10> bush gave in to what

[20:00] <Skeets4> Bush is getting us ready for great judgements

[20:00] <BobWestbrook> Skeets, you're right, that does concern them, any uprising in a so-called "moderate" Pro-West Arab government would greatly change the equation

[20:01] <BobWestbrook> I've been saying for months that according to how I see Bible prophecy in this upcoming war, the #1 thing not yet in place is a radicalization of Jordan, perhaps by a coup

[20:01] <BobWestbrook> because they will be active participants in this next war against Israel, I believe

[20:01] <MarvBMar> Look at the the riot (demonstration ) in Lebonon

[20:01] <Skeets4> I think it's interesting there have not been any suicide bombings this week

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[20:01] <GranBland> shalom all my dear ones

[20:01] <BobWestbrook> True, Skeets

[20:01] <BobWestbrook> Welcome, Gran!!

[20:02] <GranBland> it is so good to finally feel good

[20:02] <MarvBMar> Shalom Gran

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[20:02] <GranBland> have been missing all of you

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[20:02] <GranBland> Hi Marion and Bob

[20:02] <GranBland> ah seeker

[20:02] <MarvBMar> I have missed everyone too

[20:02] <Bezalel3> Hi Gran.

[20:02] <GranBland> didn't see you Stan is that you

[20:02] <BobWestbrook> Hello, Seeker!

[20:02] <MarvBMar> hi seeker

[20:02] <CJ-Seeker> Hi all..I am just popping in to say Shalom..can't stay long though

[20:02] <GranBland> Bez good to see you also

[20:03] <BobWestbrook> No Stan - he opened the site, but he's sleeping soundly now, hopefully

[20:03] <BobWestbrook> it's 4 AM in Jerusalem

[20:03] <GranBland> have been packing such a job

[20:03] <GranBland> hope to move next week

[20:03] <GranBland> good for Stan he needs his sleep

[20:03] <BobWestbrook> Moving, huh Gran? That's a big job!

[20:03] <MarvBMar> are you moving far away ? Gran

[20:04] <GranBland> once i get moved it may take 3 or more days to get phone service

[20:04] <GranBland> no just down the street

[20:04] <GranBland> but closer to my church

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[20:04] <BobWestbrook> I think, Gran, you should move to near Ramallah and go talk to Arafat :)

[20:04] <GranBland> well I havae plenty of help

[20:04] <BobWestbrook> Welcome, Lily!

[20:04] <GranBland> ummm I wish I could do that

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[20:04] <MarvBMar> I have loved in the same place so long , I would dread moving

[20:04] <Bezalel3> His Sue and Dick.

[20:04] <BobWestbrook> Welcome, Judy!

[20:04] <GranBland> 'I'd scare the liver out of that old rag head

[20:04] <Bezalel3> Hi Judy.

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[20:04] <BobWestbrook> I know it! :)

[20:04] <MarvBMar> I have accumilated too much STUFF!!

[20:05] <GranBland> Judy shalom

[20:05] <lilycocoon> 5Blessings, All!

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[20:05] <GranBland> well this time I am taking time to go throught everything and getting rid of a lot

[20:05] <Skeets4> Bob, I read some of your writings yesterday. I was enthralled. They were really wonderful.

[20:05] <GranBland> lily shalom

[20:05] <MarvBMar> Hi Lily

[20:06] <BobWestbrook> Thanks, Skeets - I'm grateful for the gifts the Lord has given me, I sure don't deserve them a bit

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[20:06] <Skeets4> You are very anointed in your writings

[20:06] <Skeets4> I'm not flattering, just stating a fact

[20:06] <BobWestbrook> Marion, would you lead us in prayer to get started tonight?

[20:06] <lilycocoon> 5We read "Divine Reclamation Project" today - Good Stuff, Bob

[20:06] <BobWestbrook> Thanks :)

[20:07] <MarvBMar> Yes

[20:07] <GranBland> ONce I get settled Bob I will get in and read your web page items I do not get online hardly atall any more

[20:07] <GranBland> just have not been up to sitting hear

[20:07] <GranBland> just usually check mail once a week

[20:07] <MarvBMar> Heavenly Father, we come before you Praising your name for all that you are to us

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[20:07] <MarvBMar> & ask your blessings on this time together

[20:08] <MarvBMar> We pray for all of your people especially in Israel now

[20:08] <GranBland> yes Lord

[20:08] <MarvBMar> We pray protection on all. & peace for all

[20:08] <GranBland> jprotect them with angels father

[20:08] <MarvBMar> yes Lord

[20:09] <GranBland> well love them so much father God

[20:09] <Skeets4> Also for the leaders to have wisdom

[20:09] <MarvBMar> Anoint Bob as he brings the study of your word tonight

[20:09] <GranBland> and send our prayers to them and for them to you

[20:09] <GranBland> yes Lord

[20:09] <lilycocoon> 5Release Your Holy Spirit to do ALL Your will for Your Glory!

[20:09] <GranBland> ys amen

[20:10] <MarvBMar> may your shalom cover us . open our uinderstanding to see new things in your word tonight

[20:10] <GranBland> open our hearts for understanding father

[20:10] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Lord, you are our teacher

[20:10] <lilycocoon> 5That we may know Your plans

[20:11] <MarvBMar> May your presence be so evident. Help us to know you in a deeper way

[20:11] <GranBland> 6yes father

[20:11] <BobWestbrook> Thank you for your mercy which is new every day

[20:11] <BobWestbrook> Teach us to be full of grace and mercy as well

[20:11] <GranBland> 6we give you glory father thanks and praise

[20:11] <MarvBMar> we love you & thank you for all things.

[20:11] <BobWestbrook> Thank you Lord

[20:11] <GranBland> 6you bless us in so many ways

[20:11] <MarvBMar> In Jesus precious name Amen

[20:12] <lilycocoon> 5Amen, Lord!

[20:12] <GranBland> 6amen

[20:12] <BobWestbrook> Amen!

[20:12] <Bezalel3> Amen

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[20:12] <BobWestbrook> I guess you all have seen how the entire world is foaming at the mouth at Israel for what they have done to protect themselves

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[20:12] <Skeets4> yes

[20:12] <GranBland> 6yes it is sad for so many to act like such jerks

[20:13] <Bezalel3> Hi Miller

[20:13] <GranBland> 6Miller shalom

[20:13] <tryChrist> Howdy and Shalom All :)

[20:13] <BobWestbrook> Incidents of antisemitism are rising sharply, especially in France

[20:13] <BobWestbrook> Hi Miller!

[20:13] <GranBland> 6ys I saw that

[20:13] <Skeets4> Why France?

[20:13] <GranBland> 6so hard to understand

[20:13] <MarvBMar> yes & they never seem to ask the right questions of the arabs on the news shows as they call the Israelis terrorists

[20:13] <BobWestbrook> Did you know that France has 700,000 Jews ..... and supposedly 5 or 6 millions Muslims?

[20:13] <GranBland> 6the world is blinded by the evil one

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[20:14] <Skeets4> No

[20:14] <GranBland> 6no I didn't know that

[20:14] <lilycocoon> 5Didn't know Bob

[20:14] <MarvBMar> It is bad in france, I think

[20:14] <Skeets4> I heard France is a Godless Nation

[20:14] <GranBland> 6hey bob do the muslims have very large families

[20:15] <MarvBMar> bad enough in the middle east , you kind of expect it but it is so blatant in other countries like in France

[20:15] <BobWestbrook> Unforunately, it's very likely that we are going to see antisemitism increase a lot more

[20:15] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Gran

[20:15] <GranBland> 6it is so sad to see the nations that used to be Christian be so God less now

[20:15] <BobWestbrook> Sure is, Gran

[20:15] <GranBland> 6and from knee babies they are taught to hate Jews and christians

[20:15] <tryChrist> see what happens when satan creeps in and gets us to sin? oh abraham, why didn't you trust?

[20:15] <MarvBMar> Today they said that there are more Jews & Muslims there than anywhere else

[20:15] <GranBland> 6look what they are doing in the Sudan and indochina

[20:15] <GranBland> 6and the Congo

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[20:16] <GranBland> 6yes poor old Abraham

[20:16] <BobWestbrook> We know, from the Scriptures, that the Aliyah we have seen so far is just the beginning; I would expect that in our lifetimes we will see many many more Jews go back to Israel

[20:16] <GranBland> 6he got us in a lot of trouble with his not trusting well so did Sarah

[20:17] <GranBland> 6yes and we sure need to help those that want to get our of Russia

[20:17] <GranBland> 6their are some good ministirs that do just that

[20:17] <Skeets4> Did you hear what Newsweeks Tom Friedman said the other day? He said the devil is out of the bag and he is dancing; and he is dancing our way.

[20:17] <GranBland> 6Russias door may soon close

[20:17] <BobWestbrook> Uh huh - but you know, of course, where most of the Jews outside of Israel live

[20:17] <GranBland> 6and the rest will not be able to get out

[20:18] <Skeets4> where?

[20:18] <GranBland> 6here in the US

[20:18] <BobWestbrook> Friedman said that? He himself was dancing with the devil Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia

[20:18] <GranBland> 6right Bob

[20:18] <Skeets4> we haven't heard much from them

[20:18] <tryChrist> NYC !

[20:18] <Skeets4> i know

[20:18] <Skeets4> it's in Newsweek this week. He wrote apparently a great article

[20:18] <MarvBMar> today it said France has the most

[20:19] <MarvBMar> outside of Israel of course

[20:19] <BobWestbrook> So now Israel has a race against time, to accomplish as much in their anti-terror crackdown as possible before the international pressure becomes unbearable

[20:19] <GranBland> 6Jews have given the world so much in the advancement of everything

[20:19] <BobWestbrook> Yes, they have, Gran

[20:19] <BobWestbrook> That's a sign of God's blessing

[20:20] <GranBland> 6the evil one just blinds them all

[20:20] <GranBland> 6yes God's blessing in on them just they sure have suffered

[20:20] <Skeets4> I read Isaiah 14 today but felt personally that may be for a later time?

[20:20] <GranBland> 6yesterday I heard a young man a Messianc Jew that asked his rabbi whay the Jews were called for

[20:21] <GranBland> 6the rabbi told him suffering

[20:21] <BobWestbrook> any other comments/questions on the current situation before we move on to Isaiah?

[20:21] <GranBland> 6so he left as soon as he could

[20:21] <BobWestbrook> interesting

[20:21] <tryChrist> that pressure is mounting all right, bob, i wonder how much longer bush will hold up... with gas prices rising, intl pressure and our wonderful economy

[20:21] <MarvBMar> tonight I heard someone say it is all Sharon's falt for invading the temople mount when he went there!!!!! Can you believe that. He asked permission to go there I remember

[20:22] <GranBland> 6yes he said after years he found Jesus and never looked back

[20:22] <GranBland> 6now he is an evangelist

[20:22] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Marion, the amount of disinformation (lies) that the Arab spokespersons are flooding the airwaves with is staggering

[20:22] <GranBland> 6to the Jews

[20:23] <BobWestbrook> a huge pile of crap, if you pardon my expression

[20:23] <Bezalel3> Have you noticed they deliver their message as shouting filibuster?

[20:23] <BobWestbrook> yeah, Bez

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[20:23] <GranBland709> 6back

[20:23] <MarvBMar> yes , On CNN the plo negotiator was terrible

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[20:24] <MarvBMar> making all kinds of accusations

[20:24] <GranBland709> 6I never watch CNN

[20:24] <Bezalel3> Last night, saw both Sean Hannity and Allan Keyes shut them down. Keyes literally turned off his mike.

[20:24] <BobWestbrook> Lying comes so easily to them, they just pile it on

[20:24] <BobWestbrook> Good for Keyes

[20:24] <GranBland709> 6Keys is a good man

[20:24] <BobWestbrook> yes

[20:24] <Skeets4> You should go to Evangelical Sisterhood of Mary [not Catholic] and read The Guilt of Christianity. If you ever want to know what the Jews have been through, that will leave you stunned.

[20:24] <BobWestbrook> I know, Skeets, it's awful

[20:25] <Bezalel3> Keyes then told him that the violent attacks (verbally) were indicative of their message.

[20:25] <Skeets4> did you read it?

[20:25] <GranBland709> 6some of the things they used to be accused of was disgusting

[20:25] <MarvBMar> that sounds catholic

[20:25] <BobWestbrook> Not that one, but similar accounts

[20:25] <Skeets4> it broke my heart

[20:25] <GranBland709> 6Skeets is that the one headed by Basalia Shelinc

[20:26] <MarvBMar> anyone that remembers what they suffered in the hoocost knows

[20:26] <MarvBMar> holocost

[20:26] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Bez, I guess it's somewhat fortunate that the number of Palestinian apologists who come across as reasoned and reasonable is very small, most of them are foaming at the mouth types

[20:26] <Skeets4> If you read that article, you will such compassion for the Jewish Peoples you will never be the same

[20:26] <GranBland709> 6actually there have been so many times they have been nearly all killed off

[20:27] <GranBland709> 6prohesy keeps coming to pass

[20:27] <BobWestbrook> Yes, perhaps sometime in this chat we'll look at the Scriptures that predicted the sufferings the Jewish people would face

[20:27] <GranBland709> 6it can get scary to read about it all

[20:27] <Skeets4> where are we in prophecy?

[20:27] <Skeets4> I know we are at the end, but how close to the end

[20:28] <GranBland709> 6only the Father knows the answer

[20:28] <BobWestbrook> Skeets, closer to the glorious appearance and reign of Jesus than we were yesterday! :)

[20:28] <Skeets4> true

[20:28] <GranBland709> 6yep

[20:28] <BobWestbrook> I don't even attempt to answer "when" questions, simply because we don't really know

[20:29] <GranBland709> 6so true

[20:29] <MarvBMar> I am now hearing a report of a palistinian woman getting a liver transplant from a jewish man killed in a bombing. You don't hear the plo talking about that tho

[20:29] <GranBland709> 6the Father does not want us to know because we could not take it if we did

[20:29] <Skeets4> right, but you probably have an idea where we are in prophecy. I'm not saying the end.

[20:29] <tryChrist> the gentiles (nations) are still trampleing....

[20:29] <GranBland709> 6so true Miller

[20:30] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Skeets - well, if we use our recent excursion through Ezekiel as an outline....

[20:30] <GranBland709> 6marion where did you hear that

[20:30] <Skeets4> My friend believes The Times of the Jews is coming

[20:30] <Skeets4> now

[20:30] <MarvBMar> on CNN just now

[20:30] <BobWestbrook> we are in the midst of chapters 35-37, and prior to 38, 39, and the 40ff which talks about the Kingdom

[20:31] <GranBland709> 6maybe I should

[20:31] <Skeets4> wow, i'll read those tonight....probably in my Dakes

[20:31] <BobWestbrook> if by the "Time of the Jews" you mean a new era in God's dealings with them, I'd say yes

[20:31] <BobWestbrook> we are already there, to some extent

[20:31] <Skeets4> I feel many are going to be saved through this

[20:32] <MarvBMar> through what skeet ?? This present action?

[20:32] <Skeets4> yes

[20:32] <tryChrist> oh yes, skeets, God has a way of bringing us to Him through troubled times

[20:32] <BobWestbrook> The process of "removing the veil" will be a gradual one, but it's already happening

[20:33] <Skeets4> Because the Lord is going to save His people in a supernatural way [again] I believe

[20:33] <BobWestbrook> yes, indeed

[20:33] <GranBland709> 6Miller are you still in Atlanta? Sorry I didn't get the info for you I will try to remember to do so

[20:33] <tryChrist> certainly we all have a story to tell about when we finaly recieved Him... truely

[20:33] <Skeets4> Bob, what State do you live in?

[20:34] <BobWestbrook> should I make a joke about my general mental State? :)

[20:34] <BobWestbrook> Florida :)

[20:34] <tryChrist> yep , still down yawnder :) not sure we will be for much longer though

[20:34] <Skeets4> sure

[20:34] <MarvBMar> :-)

[20:34] <Skeets4> lucky U

[20:34] <GranBland709> 6oh well I will try to hurry then

[20:34] <BobWestbrook> Yeah, I like it here

[20:34] <GranBland709> 6have bad memory

[20:34] <BobWestbrook> But I'd rather be in Jerusalem :)

[20:34] <Skeets4> me 2

[20:34] <GranBland709> 6yeah me tooooooo

[20:34] <Bezalel3> Amen, Bob.

[20:35] <BobWestbrook> Get your ticket yet, Gran? ;0

[20:35] <BobWestbrook> :)

[20:35] <GranBland709> 6oh we are warned not to go there again by our Gov

[20:35] <BobWestbrook> Oh, big deal :)

[20:35] <Skeets4> The HS nearly knocks you down when you step off the plane there

[20:35] <tryChrist> no need to worry, we can come across it through the web or phone book. we are so busy right now anyway.

[20:35] <GranBland709> 6'no money dear heart or enery

[20:35] <GranBland709> 6energy that is

[20:35] <GranBland709> 6OK

[20:35] <MarvBMar> A friend's son was there for 19 days but before this problem

[20:35] <GranBland709> 6but maybe I will remember

[20:35] <Skeets4> my husband won't even let me talk about going

[20:35] <BobWestbrook> If you had the money, I bet you'd find the energy :)

[20:35] <MarvBMar> air fare is cheap

[20:36] <GranBland709> 6yep most likely

[20:36] <Skeets4> That's because the terrorists are running the airlines [just kidding]

[20:36] <GranBland709> 6not if you have to count every penny

[20:36] <BobWestbrook> Well, perhaps hubby will reconsider after the war is over and things are more serene :)

[20:36] <Skeets4> hope so

[20:36] <Skeets4> he's not saved

[20:36] <GranBland709> 6security at Hartsfield is sure tight

[20:36] <Skeets4> although he's glad I am...go figure

[20:36] <Bezalel3> When Israel is living in safety, Bob? :-)

[20:37] <BobWestbrook> of course he is, because you're a nicer person :)

[20:37] <MarvBMar> I found it safe when I was there, but it was a while ago now

[20:37] <BobWestbrook> Righto, Bez :)

[20:37] <tryChrist> ... i'll be quiet when it comes to airline stuff :)

[20:37] <Skeets4> When I was there the Jews and Arabs got along fine. I don't understand a lot of this because of that

[20:37] <GranBland709> 6right Miller

[20:37] <Bezalel3> LOL Miller...

[20:37] <GranBland709> 6guess you need to be

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[20:38] <GranBland709> 6in 1948 it was the Arabs that insisted that the PA"s leave and they put them in camps

[20:38] <BobWestbrook> Although the Arab/Israeli emnity is ancient, we can trace the current hostility of Arabs towards Jews back to the 1920s

[20:38] <GranBland709> 6wouldn't give them land to live on

[20:38] <MarvBMar> skeets , I think it is because the arabs that live together with the Jews are not the trouble makers

[20:38] <GranBland709> 6yeah really before then Bob

[20:38] <GranBland709> 6oh I guess that was the Turks

[20:39] <BobWestbrook> When it became evident to the Arabs that the Jews were coming back in large numbers

[20:39] <GranBland709> 6from what i read the Jews started comeing back in the 1700's

[20:39] <BobWestbrook> And radical Arabs similar to Arafat (and some related to him) stirred up the hatred

[20:39] <GranBland709> 6yep

[20:40] <BobWestbrook> OK, on to Isaiah now

[20:40] <GranBland709> 6old rag head was influenced by his Natz uncle

[20:40] <Bezalel3> Unfortunately, those radicals seem to rise into the leadership in the Arab world.

[20:40] <GranBland709> 6oops bad spelling there

[20:40] <Skeets4> true

[20:40] <BobWestbrook> I was going to do the end of the chapter only, but we'll take a look at the whole chapter, especially since v 1 & 2 are very significant

[20:40] <MarvBMar> Arafat & the plo are like gypsys the land was never theirs

[20:40] <Skeets4> ok Gran for that you'll have to pray for one enemy tonite LOL

[20:41] <BobWestbrook> Right, Bez

[20:41] <GranBland709> 6un OK Skeets

[20:41] <BobWestbrook> not only do they rise, but they silence any true voices of moderation through threats, violence, and murder

[20:41] <GranBland709> 6'Bez can you pull that up

[20:41] <GranBland709> 6yes

[20:41] <BobWestbrook> Arafat and his crowd have probably killed as many Arabs as Jews

[20:41] <Skeets4> are we in Is 14?

[20:42] <BobWestbrook> yes

[20:42] <GranBland709> 6so sad to see so many of them kill themselves for Alla

[20:42] <Bezalel3> I'm sure Bob has it all ready to go, Gran.

[20:42] <GranBland709> 6oh sorry

[20:42] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 14:1 NASB) When the LORD will have compassion on Jacob, and again choose Israel, and settle them in their own land, then strangers will join them and attach themselves to the house of Jacob.

[20:42] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 14:1 NIV) The LORD will have compassion on Jacob; once again he will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land. Aliens will join them and unite with the house of Jacob.

[20:42] <Bezalel3> See, Gran...:-)

[20:42] <BobWestbrook> :)

[20:43] <BobWestbrook> OK, lots of stuff packed in this one verse - what do we see?

[20:43] <GranBland709> 6:->

[20:43] <Bezalel3> The grafting, Bob?

[20:43] <GranBland709> 6us Gentiles

[20:43] <GranBland709> 6Christain Zionists

[20:43] <Bezalel3> Return, restoration and grafting in one sentence....that's pretty good.

[20:43] <BobWestbrook> Yeah, it's a nice little package :)

[20:44] <GranBland709> 6we love Israel

[20:44] <BobWestbrook> Compassion, re-choosing,re-settling

[20:44] <BobWestbrook> All the LORD's doing

[20:44] <GranBland709> 6yes

[20:44] <Bezalel3> Hallelujah....

[20:44] <BobWestbrook> So it seems that God is the originator of the settlements, not Sharon :)

[20:45] <GranBland709> 6Praise the God of our Fathers

[20:45] <GranBland709> 6yep

[20:45] <BobWestbrook> "Their own land"

[20:45] <GranBland709> 6HE also is the original promise keeper

[20:45] <MarvBMar> Bob this is referring to the time of Ezra?

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> Sometimes He calls it "My land", but this time He says it has been assigned to the Jews

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> No, this is modern day Israel

[20:46] <GranBland709> 6yes

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> We especially see that in the first phrase of v 2

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 14:2 NIV) Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And the house of Israel will possess the nations as menservants and maidservants in the Lord's land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.

[20:47] <BobWestbrook> Nations will take them and bring them to their own place.

[20:47] <GranBland709> 6WOW woopee thats good to hear

[20:47] <BobWestbrook> That was fulfilled in 1947 when the General Assembly voted on the "partition plan"

[20:47] <GranBland709> 6yep

[20:47] <GranBland709> 6but just look at the struggle they still have

[20:47] <BobWestbrook> It's always amazing the degree of historical detail which God provided so many centuries ahead of time, but yet, not amazing at all

[20:48] <GranBland709> 6it seems that the more I pray for protection for them the more get killed

[20:48] <Skeets4> not enough people are praying

[20:48] <BobWestbrook> Keep on praying :)

[20:48] <Bezalel3> He just wanted to make sure we were paying attention.

[20:48] <BobWestbrook> But don't only pray for protection, but for Divine enlightenment

[20:48] <GranBland709> 6yes the land was given to them and now they want it to be redone to please the PA

[20:48] <Bezalel3> And convince the naysayers.

[20:49] <GranBland709> 6yes you too are right

[20:49] <tryChrist> perhaps a mild form of anti semitism is within our own church... replacement theology

[20:49] <GranBland709> 6never stop praying

[20:49] <Bezalel3> It worked for me....

[20:49] <GranBland709> 6that replacaement mess makes me sick

[20:49] <BobWestbrook> But as we saw in Ezekiel, one of God's purposes in this current conflict where the Arabs claim land given to Israel is so that HE can resolve it and HE gets the credit

[20:49] <GranBland709> 6its like an underground movement that has come to light

[20:50] <GranBland709> 6the evil one is sure busy

[20:50] <Bezalel3> Amen, Bob.

[20:50] <BobWestbrook> Let me quote from an editorial in the Jerusalem Post today

[20:50] <GranBland709> 6amen bob

[20:50] <GranBland709> 6of course

[20:50] <GranBland709> 6I just get so tired of all of it

[20:50] <BobWestbrook> "Indeed, despite the waves of warfare and terrorism, the Jewish population of Israel has grown by almost tenfold since 1948 fulfilling the biblical prophecy of the ingathering of the exiles. Economically, notwithstanding the problems posed by large income disparities and unemployment, Israeli success has also been phenomenal."

[20:50] <GranBland709> 6I love my Israel so much

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[20:50] <BobWestbrook> That's by Gerald M Steinberg

[20:50] <Bezalel3> wb judy, hope you stick this time.

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[20:50] <Bezalel3> Darn.

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[20:51] <GranBland709> 6thats good to hear Bob

[20:51] <GranBland709> 6encouraging

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[20:52] <Skeets4> if one didn't look at anything other than the agricultural aspect, it would be astounding

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[20:52] <GranBland709> 6I guess that one would have to be a citizen in Israel to get old age compensation huh?

[20:52] <BobWestbrook> notice that - "fulfilling the Biblical prophecy" - realize that in the Post-Zionism thought that prevailed in Israel until just a short time ago, little thought was made of giving God any kind of credit whatsoever for the modern formation of Israel

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[20:52] <GranBland709> 6I wonder if I could still get my SS check

[20:52] <BobWestbrook> But that is slowly changing, and you know what?

[20:52] <BobWestbrook> You and I are agents of that change as well, gently reminding our Jewish friends of that very thing

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[20:53] <GranBland709> 6yes thats right Bob

[20:53] <Bezalel3> Bat Zion has a post in the forums addressing that renewed spirit in Israel.

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[20:54] <BobWestbrook> more from Steinberg:

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[20:54] <BobWestbrook> "The malaise and self-doubt that was characteristic of the trendy post-Zionist period has also disappeared. When the current violence ends, the intense debates about the future direction of Israel and the Jewish people will resume. Passions will become inflamed again, but these are signs of vitality, not exhaustion. "

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[20:55] <BobWestbrook> Notice what he said about the resumption of debates - we will play a part in that as well, certain Christians whom God has designated to be a positive influence for the truth

[20:55] <BobWestbrook> People like Stan, Marion, Bez, Gran, Miller, and Skeets :)

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[20:56] <Skeets4> amen to that

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[20:56] <BobWestbrook> poor Judy keeps bouncing in and out

[20:56] <tryChrist> Baruch H'Shem !!

[20:56] <GranBland709> 6I know one Jewish family and they enjoy haring how I love Israel

[20:56] <Bezalel3> Yes...but she's faithful, Bob.

[20:56] <GranBland709> 6I must contact them again

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[20:57] <BobWestbrook> yes, that's the kind of influence we must have, each one doing a little bit

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[20:57] <MarvBMar> That is why we must know the word & be good wiitnesses for HIM

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[20:57] <GranBland709> 6they know I am a solid Christian but don't want to hear so I just let them know i continue to pray for them

[20:58] <BobWestbrook> OK, on to the next section, which we will not cover in great detail

[20:58] <GranBland709> 6thanks to the net I found them after 25 years

[20:58] <tryChrist> gran, perhaps you could involve them in a more messianic perspective.

[20:58] <GranBland709> 6well pray for me about that

[20:59] <GranBland709> 6we used to be very close

[20:59] <BobWestbrook> There are two places in the Hebrew Scriptures where Satan, the adversary, is described at length in symbolic language - Ezekiel 28 is one, and here in Isaiah 14 is the other

[20:59] <GranBland709> 6back in california days

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[20:59] <tryChrist> e-mail me at tryChrist@juno.com and we can go over it in more detail

[20:59] <BobWestbrook> In this case, he is symbolically referred to as the "King of Bablyon"

[20:59] <GranBland709> 6OK will do Miller thanks

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[21:00] <BobWestbrook> And the setting is this - it's a post-demise "taunt" of Satan

[21:00] <Bezalel3> Hi George...

[21:00] <BobWestbrook> Welcome, George!

[21:00] <BobWestbrook> We are in Isaiah 14

[21:00] <WorthyNewsEditor> Hey Bob :-)

[21:00] <GranBland709> 6welcome George

[21:00] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 14:2-4 NIV) Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And the house of Israel will possess the nations as menservants and maidservants in the Lord's land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors. {3} On the day the LORD gives you relief from suffering and turmoil and cruel bondage, {4} you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended!

[21:00] <WorthyNewsEditor> interesting is that the regathering of Israel a 2nd time?

[21:00] <tryChrist> Shalom George

[21:00] <PatchouliJudy958> Oh my, I finally got in

[21:01] <WorthyNewsEditor> Shalom tryChrist!

[21:01] <BobWestbrook> Yes, v 1 & 2 especially

[21:01] <GranBland709> 6Juday WB

[21:01] <tryChrist> great Judy, I was silently praying it would work

[21:01] <Bezalel3> Hi Judy....great faith has won out.

[21:02] <MarvBMar> WB Judy

[21:02] <PatchouliJudy958> Were you able to see me before? I have so much trouble with this. I see everyone's names but I can't see the conversation and it lasts for a long time

[21:02] <BobWestbrook> The scene is this - those who had been fighting against Satan for so long are standing at the edge of the pit of hell, taunting him

[21:02] <GranBland709> 6I didn't Judy

[21:02] <Bezalel3> You've been bouncing in and out, Judy....

[21:02] <GranBland709> 6I have had that happen also

[21:02] <MarvBMar> I used to have that trouble too but I didn't even see anyone's name

[21:02] <PatchouliJudy958> Been trying for an hour

[21:03] <GranBland709> 6so far I have been booted twice

[21:03] <PatchouliJudy958> This will be logged and posted right :-)

[21:03] <MarvBMar> You get an A for persistance

[21:03] <WorthyNewsEditor> I can't believe this deal that Bush just laid out again

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[21:03] <GranBland709> 6bob do you know if it will be logged

[21:03] <MarvBMar> yes it usuaklly is

[21:03] <BobWestbrook> Yes

[21:03] <WorthyNewsEditor> Hey all I am going to tell you all something that is going to be huge in the near future

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[21:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> Does everyone know about this huge revival in South Carolina?

[21:04] <GranBland709> 6no

[21:04] <BobWestbrook> no, didn't hear about that

[21:04] <GranBland709> 6where in SC

[21:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> if you don't read the article on my site

[21:04] <PatchouliJudy958> no, heard nothing about it. What type of revival?

[21:04] <BobWestbrook> will do - thanks!

[21:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> anyway the man that brought all these pastors together

[21:04] <tryChrist> hi southern cowboy

[21:04] <MarvBMar> what is your site addy?

[21:04] <southern_cowboy36> hi try

[21:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> ok hold on lets read the article first LOL

[21:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> then I'll tell you this HUGE news

[21:05] <GranBland709> 6what man and where in S

[21:05] <GranBland709> 6SC

[21:05] <BobWestbrook> I'll just paste some of the highlights as George tells us the news :)

[21:05] <WorthyNewsEditor> http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-3/revival-charleston-sc.html

[21:05] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 14:9 NIV) The grave below is all astir to meet you at your coming; it rouses the spirits of the departed to greet you-- all those who were leaders in the world; it makes them rise from their thrones-- all those who were kings over the nations.

[21:05] <WorthyNewsEditor> charleston SC

[21:06] <MarvBMar> no time to read the article now we are in Isiah 14 now

[21:06] <WorthyNewsEditor> Ok Bob

[21:06] <BobWestbrook> the "you" here is Satan, and probably by extension the "Beast" as well

[21:06] <WorthyNewsEditor> ok read that story later and I'll tell you this little thing that is going down VERY soon

[21:06] <BobWestbrook> Thanks, George! :)

[21:06] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 14:11 NIV) All your pomp has been brought down to the grave, along with the noise of your harps; maggots are spread out beneath you and worms cover you.

[21:07] <BobWestbrook> A very graphic description of hell

[21:07] <Skeets4> sounds like Hell

[21:07] <tryChrist> sounds like all the things man can acomplish are futile

[21:08] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 14:12 NIV) How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

[21:08] <BobWestbrook> This is the verse, in the KJV, from which the title "Lucifer" comes

[21:09] <GranBland709> 6it really is so sad what satan did to himself through pride

[21:09] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 14:13-14 NIV) You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. {14} I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."

[21:09] <BobWestbrook> The famous "I will" statements of rebellion

[21:09] <GranBland709> 6he was the ;most beautiful of all the angels

[21:10] <BobWestbrook> which all persons who refuse to submit to the rulership of the Lord in effect repeat

[21:10] <GranBland709> 6actually the most powerful

[21:10] <GranBland709> 6he had musical instruments built in

[21:10] <BobWestbrook> (Isaiah 14:15-17 NIV) But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit. {16} Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: "Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, {17} the man who made the world a desert, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?"

[21:10] <GranBland709> 6worship leader

[21:10] <tryChrist> i'm working on a "letter" based on this very subject.... how neat

[21:10] <BobWestbrook> cool, Miller!

[21:11] <PatchouliJudy958> Sorry to interupt, but I am shell shocked. I am watching the news, and the protests are unbelievable. What is most unbeliveable about this is when Sept 11 happened, there hasn't been anywhere near this kind of violence towards arabs. This is just unreal

[21:11] <GranBland709> 6where Judy in Israel

[21:12] <MarvBMar> The civilized world does not react as arabs do

[21:12] <GranBland709> 6no they sure don't

[21:12] <Skeets4> Listen, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I have to leave. You ALL are really a blessing. Wish I could stay till the end tonight. If anyone thinks of it, please pray for my husband Mike. He has a fatal illness and needs JESUS. Will see everyone here Tuesday. May the Lord bless you all.

[21:12] <Bezalel3> Night Skeets....for sure will pray.

[21:12] <GranBland709> 6bless you too Skeets

[21:12] <WorthyNewsEditor> Later on Skeets and God bless :-)

[21:12] <PatchouliJudy958> no all over Europe and the middle east. Hand to hand fighting and horrible protests all over, thousands and thousands of people

[21:12] <GranBland709> 6I will pray for your Mike

[21:12] <BobWestbrook> What is very interesting, and what I had not realized before is this..... in both chapters I mentioned, Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, which described the demise of Satan.... the very next section deals with what is in my opinion prophecies on the judgment of the Palestinians

[21:13] <MarvBMar> God bless you skeets I will pray

[21:13] <Skeets4> Thank everyone so much. I really mean it

[21:13] <tryChrist> shalom skeets, prayer is done! we have a prayer page on our site if you would like

[21:13] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Judy, the whole world is angry at Israel, especially the Muslims

[21:13] <BobWestbrook> God bless you Skeets

[21:13] <Skeets4> i would, what is it?

[21:13] <tryChrist> http://tryChrist.homestead.com

[21:13] <GranBland709> 6Skeets is that on CNN now

[21:14] <Skeets4> wjat

[21:14] <Skeets4> what?

[21:14] <Skeets4> sorry

[21:14] <GranBland709> 6oops that was Judy

[21:14] <GranBland709> 6that told us

[21:14] <MarvBMar> yes I think it is

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[21:14] <southern_cowboy36> wasnt jesus a palastinian

[21:15] <PatchouliJudy958> no just local cbc I don't have cable or anything

[21:15] <southern_cowboy36> born in bethleham

[21:15] <BobWestbrook> Jesus was a Jew, directly descended from Abraham and David

[21:15] <BobWestbrook> if you read the first chapter of Matthew, you can see the geneology

[21:15] <MarvBMar> He was called a Nazarine

[21:15] <BobWestbrook> proving he was a Jew - there were no such thing as "Palestinians" back then

[21:16] <southern_cowboy36> ok thanks

[21:16] <BobWestbrook> you're welcome :)

[21:16] <southern_cowboy36> i was confused

[21:16] <MarvBMar> the area was called Paistine but has niothing to do with the plo

[21:16] <GranBland709> 6I need to go family see you tomorrow I get hurting too bad sitting so long it has been great to see you all

[21:16] <BobWestbrook> Actually, it wasn't called "Palestine" at all until the British gave it that name early in the 20th century

[21:16] <GranBland709> 6God Bess all and shalom

[21:17] <GranBland709> 6I love you kids very much

[21:17] <Bezalel3> Night Gran, God Bless.....

[21:17] <MarvBMar> right

[21:17] <PatchouliJudy958> Bye

[21:17] <BobWestbrook> and if you said back then a person was a "Palestinian", it could have referred to either Jews or Arabs

[21:17] <GranBland709> 6byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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[21:17] <tryChrist> night Gran, may He give you peace and blessings until we meet again :)

[21:17] <BobWestbrook> there was no such thing as a separate people called "Palestinians" - just Jews and Arabs

[21:17] <MarvBMar> & the ones called paistinians didn't own it they just squatted there

[21:17] <PatchouliJudy958> May I ask a question that is somewhat related to prophesy, or at least I assume it must be?

[21:17] <MarvBMar> God bless you Gran nite

[21:18] <BobWestbrook> I was watching the movie "Exodus" the other day, the one with Paul Newman made I think in the early 60s

[21:18] <BobWestbrook> about 1948 in Israel....

[21:18] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Judy :)

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[21:18] <BobWestbrook> And in that movie, when they said "Palestinians" they were talking about Jews!

[21:18] <Skeets4> PTL my husband told me to come back for awhile

[21:19] <BobWestbrook> Cool! :)

[21:19] <Bezalel3> wb Skeets

[21:19] <tryChrist> excellent movie Bob

[21:19] <BobWestbrook> yup

[21:19] <Skeets4> ok, what movie?

[21:19] <BobWestbrook> "Exodus"

[21:19] <PatchouliJudy958> Thank you. I went to a bible study last night held by a messianic congregation. I heard loads of stuff I have NEVER ever heard in any church. Can you tell me about the messianic Jewish movement and its' importance?

[21:19] <Skeets4> yes

[21:19] <Bezalel3> I read the book, years ago....Leon Uris...

[21:19] <BobWestbrook> Yes, great book also!

[21:19] <MarvBMar> because the land was called palistine . then

[21:20] <tryChrist> that's a BIG order Judy !!

[21:20] <PatchouliJudy958> :-)

[21:20] <Skeets4> he also wrote The Haj

[21:20] <MarvBMar> now with the PlLO there must be a distinction

[21:20] <PatchouliJudy958> Yeah, but I am Jewish and after assimilating into churches for so long, I am now very confused

[21:20] <BobWestbrook> The Messianic Jewish movement, simply put, is Jewish people who have come to recognize and acknowledge Jesus as the promised Jewish Mesiah

[21:20] <BobWestbrook> Messiah

[21:20] <tryChrist> Our family goes to a Messianic Congregation

[21:20] <tryChrist> Yeshua (Jesus) is Lord !!!

[21:21] <WorthyNewsEditor> Amen!

[21:21] <BobWestbrook> And some of them worship together in congregations which retain the Jewish flavor of worship

[21:21] <PatchouliJudy958> No, I mean there are VAST differences from any church I have been to

[21:21] <southern_cowboy36> so when were arabs first called palastinians? sorry i just am confused on all this

[21:21] <MarvBMar> AMEN

[21:21] <BobWestbrook> Cowboy, not until the 1960s, I would say

[21:21] <MarvBMar> what differences Judy?

[21:21] <Skeets4> some general or someone called them that to make the Jews mad....is that right?

[21:22] <tryChrist> what did you find different Judy?

[21:22] <PatchouliJudy958> Like keeping biblical kosher, and meeting on Saturdays and being totally Torah observant and stating that the church customs that are pagan based are down right wrong

[21:22] <southern_cowboy36> ok ty bob and skeets

[21:22] <BobWestbrook> Judy, unfortunately, when we think of the concept of "church" today, many of the elements involved are not from the Bible, but solely from tradition

[21:22] <southern_cowboy36> so the palastinians atrnt jews? arabs right?

[21:22] <southern_cowboy36> arent

[21:22] <BobWestbrook> Not all Messianic congregations do those things, Judy

[21:22] <BobWestbrook> Yes, the Palestinians are Arabs

[21:22] <MarvBMar> right cowboy

[21:23] <Skeets4> arabs only, not palestinean

[21:23] <southern_cowboy36> ok

[21:23] <PatchouliJudy958> I understand that and when I looked up some "traditions" like easter, and even sunday worship, I got some spooky background stuff, so it got me wondering if they may be right

[21:23] <Skeets4> they made that up to sound different

[21:23] <southern_cowboy36> are there jews ;iling in palestine?

[21:23] <BobWestbrook> But the term "Palestinian" is an artifical invention for propaganda purposes

[21:23] <southern_cowboy36> living

[21:23] <tryChrist> our Congregation keeps kosher because of unsaved jews who might be visiting. not that we have too, but because we respect them and want them to be comfortable

[21:23] <PatchouliJudy958> Yup, no such thing as a Palestinian

[21:24] <Skeets4> maybe we should e-mail all the news people and tell them that!

[21:24] <MarvBMar> Judy from my observation with some Messianic believers, I see them adding Jesus but still putting their emphisis on the Law

[21:24] <southern_cowboy36> are there jews living in palestine?

[21:24] <BobWestbrook> Judy, some of what they say is very correct, "holidays" such as Easter and Christmas were not, of course, designated as such from the Bible

[21:24] <Skeets4> dunno

[21:24] <BobWestbrook> There are Jews living in "Eretz Israel" - the Land of Israel :) It is not Palestine

[21:25] <WorthyNewsEditor> Amen!

[21:25] <Skeets4> I'm not sure where the Settlements are Cowboy

[21:25] <PatchouliJudy958> They say that Jesus is our salvation but being Torah observant is honoring God

[21:25] <BobWestbrook> I do not agree that we should be Torah observant in the sense that some describe it

[21:25] <PatchouliJudy958> Right Bob and they follow all the Jewish feasts and say that it was the way the church was really intended to be

[21:25] <southern_cowboy36> skeets will u email me that stuff?

[21:25] <BobWestbrook> Observing the feasts, sure, that's fine

[21:25] <Skeets4> what stuff?

[21:26] <BobWestbrook> But not as a matter of rule

[21:26] <BobWestbrook> Or observing the Sabbath, great, but not as a regulation

[21:26] <southern_cowboy36> thought u typed something about emailing new people something

[21:26] <MarvBMar> Cowboy the land of Israel was called Palistine before

[21:26] <Skeets4> not me

[21:26] <southern_cowboy36> sorry

[21:26] <PatchouliJudy958> Bob, if you don't mind, I will e-mail you their web site to see what you think of some of their doctrine.

[21:26] <BobWestbrook> Ok, Judy :)

[21:27] <southern_cowboy36> take care all and ty for all the info

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> Cowboy, on the website www.IsraelMyBeloved....

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> which sponsers this chat....

[21:27] <southern_cowboy36> oh ok bob..thanks

[21:27] <Skeets4> e-mail me also Pat, ok? leraymark@aol.com

[21:27] <tryChrist> shalom Cowboy. keep seeking, He always provides :)

[21:27] <southern_cowboy36> bob is it .com?

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> there is a forum where lots of informed folks would be very happy to answer your questions, if you'd like!

[21:27] <Skeets4> OH, I know that one

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> yes, sorry

[21:28] <southern_cowboy36> ok thanks bob and skeeter

[21:28] <southern_cowboy36> and try

[21:28] <BobWestbrook> You're welcome - thanks so much for stopping it!

[21:28] <BobWestbrook> in

[21:28] <southern_cowboy36> yw

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[21:28] <Skeets4> bye cowboy

[21:28] <MarvBMar> Judy the New Testament doesn't stress the law

[21:28] <BobWestbrook> the whole subject of being "Torah observant" is very touchy

[21:29] <BobWestbrook> I have the Bible on audio CD, and recently went through the Torah - first five books of the Bible

[21:30] <BobWestbrook> and you know what impressed me? a HUGE part of the Law was about sacrifices, over and over again

[21:30] <tryChrist> Torah obsevant to our family, is in respect to H'Shem, and is by no means our salvation. Yeshua (Jesus) is Salvation.

[21:30] <MarvBMar> amen bob

[21:30] <PatchouliJudy958> Yes, that part of it can't be followed of course

[21:30] <PatchouliJudy958> Yes, that is what they said

[21:30] <BobWestbrook> so if anyone REALLY wants to be Torah observant, they better get out the butcher knives - of course I'm being facetious, but the point is, it is impossible to be Torah observant

[21:31] <PatchouliJudy958> Is Stan in here?

[21:31] <MarvBMar> I see the strict torah observants are being religious

[21:31] <BobWestbrook> And if you want to be, you better start doing things like putting witches to death, etc

[21:31] <PatchouliJudy958> I am wondering how the deal with this in Israel

[21:31] <tryChrist> Yeshua is the final atonement, there is no need for sacrifice any longer

[21:31] <BobWestbrook> Amen, Miller

[21:32] <PatchouliJudy958> That

[21:32] <PatchouliJudy958> That is a good point Bob

[21:32] <BobWestbrook> But one other thing I noted - many of the traditional observances associated with Jewish worship are not in the Torah at all - you simply can't find them

[21:33] <PatchouliJudy958> No, they don't follow any rabbinical teaching that is outside of the bible

[21:33] <MarvBMar> Judy I know what they say about Easter & Christmas....but we are worshiping & celabrating these with a pure heart not out of paganism

[21:33] <Skeets4> Bob, if one would do a study on in the OT on the words LORD, God, LORD God, all Jews would become Christians.

[21:33] <Skeets4> It is a mind-blowing study

[21:33] <MarvBMar> Bob that is because they have added many laws to the Law

[21:34] <BobWestbrook> Strictly speaking, Easter and Christmas are NOT Biblical holidays, that is, there were no instructions given to observe them as there were such things as Passover, etc

[21:34] <tryChrist> mostly the practices our done to ease the unsaved Jew at services. Just as Paul became all things to all people, we must to. To a Jew, be as a Jew... but give 'em Jesus too!

[21:34] <PatchouliJudy958> Then it brings me to the very thing I was wondering, why has this movement grown so much in the past 30 years?

[21:34] <BobWestbrook> Good point, Miller

[21:34] <BobWestbrook> Why? It's a God thing, Judy :)

[21:34] <Bezalel3> Amen....

[21:35] <PatchouliJudy958> But it is causing division

[21:35] <tryChrist> perhaps messianic judaism is not for all, but it does have it's place for the unsaved jew, and to inlighten the christian to it'd jewish roots

[21:35] <BobWestbrook> Judy, in all moves of the Lord, the adversary stirs up counter-moves to cause problems - it's been that way since the first century

[21:35] <MarvBMar> The Messianic movement is growing because of their acceptance of Jesus as their MessiahB

[21:36] <PatchouliJudy958> The messianic congregation here is 90% gentile

[21:36] <PatchouliJudy958> Funny eh?

[21:36] <Skeets4> right, the devil does go to church

[21:36] <tryChrist> obviously, there is no one denomination that can claim any right ... jeus is the only way

[21:36] <BobWestbrook> Messianic Judiasm is not in itself divisive - the one I have attended here, on occasion, has a healthy view - they see themselves as a special kind of extension of the larger body of Messiah, not a separate group

[21:37] <MarvBMar> Just as we love Israel many gentiles think they are in the right place

[21:37] <BobWestbrook> Which in fact they are - in Yeshua, there is neither Jew nor Gentile

[21:37] <tryChrist> Amein Bob

[21:37] <MarvBMar> amen

[21:38] <BobWestbrook> It doesn't mean it's wrong to keep that identity, it means there are no distinctions or separations

[21:38] <MarvBMar> I have seen a messianic congregation worshiping on Jewish Jewels & it is wonderful

[21:38] <PatchouliJudy958> So, where do you think things are headed for Israel now?

[21:39] <PatchouliJudy958> Do you think they are going to give into the pressure and pull out?

[21:39] <MarvBMar> I don't know how ridgid they may be in other things

[21:39] <BobWestbrook> In fact, they SHOULD keep their Jewish identity - they are not, as some say, renouncing it to believe in the Messiah Yeshua

[21:39] <BobWestbrook> Judy, it most likely depends on what happens with Hezbollah in southern Lebanon

[21:39] <WorthyNewsEditor> well if you are like me I LOVE to worship so I go to a bunch of congregations LOL :-) Friday night Beth Yeshua Saturday morning Rosh Pina Sunday Grace Bible Baptist Church Wednesday night Church of the Nazerene LOL

[21:39] <MarvBMar> ]I love watching the program . they explain things for both to understand

[21:39] <BobWestbrook> if Hezbollah keeps it up....

[21:39] <tryChrist> i recomend people do an indepth study of the High Holy Days and see there prophetic position and how Christ fulfilled them, well almost all of them... some still to come

[21:40] <BobWestbrook> the whole region could explode

[21:40] <WorthyNewsEditor> Well Bob I think that Israel will withdraw with Bush's speech today

[21:40] <BobWestbrook> or if the rioting masses in one of the Arab nations cause an Islamic fundamentalist coup, the whole region could go up

[21:40] <PatchouliJudy958> Bob, I am very uncomfortable with the thought of Israel pulling out

[21:40] <Skeets4> I don't think so. They are too mad

[21:40] <MarvBMar> some? I thought maybe just one

[21:41] <WorthyNewsEditor> but they will remain on full alert just waiting for something to happen and then re enter the areas by the weekend

[21:41] <BobWestbrook> If neither of those happen, you will probably see some kind of partial pullback, but I don't expect that Israel will completely withdraw

[21:41] <BobWestbrook> Depends on how much pressure the US puts on Israel

[21:41] <MarvBMar> I don't think there has been enough time to assess wether the bombings will really stop

[21:42] <WorthyNewsEditor> true Bob it would be a few days for a full withdraw

[21:42] <PatchouliJudy958> I keep picturing radical moslems world wide going mad and raising hell on earth

[21:42] <MarvBMar> if they do ...after Powell & Zinnie leave it will be business as usual for the plo

[21:42] <BobWestbrook> Marion, Israel's objective now is not to see if they stop, but to disarm the terrorists so that they do stop

[21:42] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Judy

[21:42] <WorthyNewsEditor> My news is related to this entire deal if the prophecy discussion is over I didn't want to switch topics but this is relevant to the discussion

[21:43] <BobWestbrook> Sure, go ahead George! :)

[21:43] <WorthyNewsEditor> Ok this is the deal read the article about what's happening in SC a very wealthy man in SC got touched by the Lord

[21:43] <WorthyNewsEditor> brought over 150 churches together for a revival etc

[21:43] <WorthyNewsEditor> but this was just PART of the Message the Lord gave him

[21:44] <WorthyNewsEditor> phase 2 is much bigger

[21:44] <Bezalel3> I can't find the article, George. Where is it on your page.

[21:44] <WorthyNewsEditor> he's getting ready to meet with the Israeli Ambassor

[21:44] <WorthyNewsEditor> Page 2 about 1/2 down on the christian news

[21:44] <tryChrist> ..... time for me to head out... it has been a really long day, week.... thanks again Bob, always interesting. Let us never stop seeking the truth, but, in seeking - put Christ first that He may direct us in the way we should go. Shalom All.

[21:44] <PatchouliJudy958> bye

[21:45] <Skeets4> bye

[21:45] <WorthyNewsEditor> anyway he's going to meet with this israeli ambassdor along with a former senator (a name which I cannot mention) but if I mentioned it everyone would know him

[21:45] <MarvBMar> Shalom

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[21:45] <BobWestbrook> See ya Miller!

[21:45] <WorthyNewsEditor> he's going to pledge $100,000 and starting a foundation to do PROMOTIONAL ads all over the US about how the United States must stand with Israel

[21:46] <Skeets4> PTL

[21:46] <BobWestbrook> that's great!

[21:46] <MarvBMar> that is good

[21:46] <WorthyNewsEditor> along that lines he's figuring there's going to be LOTS of big time people joining in the fight

[21:46] <BobWestbrook> That's the kind of fruit of revival we like to see, huh! :)

[21:46] <WorthyNewsEditor> anyway you can read what was read at the Revival what was read the the solidarity with Israel

[21:46] <WorthyNewsEditor> hold on let me find that page

[21:47] <Skeets4> gotta go again, my husband came back w/our dinner. God bless ALL.

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[21:47] <MarvBMar> bob apitite!

[21:47] <MarvBMar> bon

[21:47] <WorthyNewsEditor> http://www.worthynews.com/zone.cgi?http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-3/revival-charleston-sc.html This is the revival 40 days STRAIGHT revival in SC

[21:47] <MarvBMar> apetite

[21:47] <BobWestbrook> I think we can expect to see an intensifying of the battle lines among "Christians" - those who believe the Bible standing stronger with Israel, and those who have departed from the Faith intensifying their attacks

[21:47] <MarvBMar> whatever!!!!

[21:47] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:48] <WorthyNewsEditor> http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-3/message-of-solarity.html message of solidarity message

[21:48] <PatchouliJudy958> Like that group of clergy that were protesting?

[21:48] <WorthyNewsEditor> http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-3/revival-charleston-sc.html Revival happening in SC

[21:48] <MarvBMar> I saw a program tonight on CNN called Crossfire & the guests were Jerry Falwell & Regie jackson

[21:49] <BobWestbrook> This is great stuff!

[21:49] <MarvBMar> Regie was talking through his hat!!!

[21:49] <PatchouliJudy958> But were they protesting against Israel or were they worried because of the armed gunmen

[21:49] <BobWestbrook> Thanks, George! :)

[21:50] <BobWestbrook> By the way, George.....

[21:50] <BobWestbrook> I saw the picture of you and your fiance.....

[21:50] <WorthyNewsEditor> anyway to make a long story short Worthy News will be hosting the 30 sec radio and tv news spots that are being held on TV in SC now

[21:50] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL how about all that white hair LOL

[21:50] <BobWestbrook> and did you pick the most beautiful girl in the world, or WHAT! :)

[21:50] <WorthyNewsEditor> and I am 30 LOL

[21:50] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:50] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL Bob you want to know how the Lord gave me her?

[21:50] <BobWestbrook> sure!

[21:51] <WorthyNewsEditor> Ok about 3 years ago I made a fleece 22 questions that I prayed through daily questions about how I would know this is the one etc

[21:51] <WorthyNewsEditor> I never told anyone except a few ladies some of the questions LOL

[21:51] <WorthyNewsEditor> really hard ones LOL

[21:51] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:51] <WorthyNewsEditor> Must want to move to Jerusalem, no matter the cost?

[21:52] <BobWestbrook> ahhhhh :)

[21:52] <WorthyNewsEditor> I don't believe in contraception etc so someone that doesn't belive in Birth control? LOL

[21:52] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:52] <WorthyNewsEditor> that eliminates 3/4 of all women LOL

[21:52] <BobWestbrook> OK, you've narrowed it down to 34 women :)

[21:52] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL

[21:52] <MarvBMar> :->

[21:53] <WorthyNewsEditor> well it went through eschatalogy to different theological topics to personality traits etc

[21:53] <WorthyNewsEditor> I mean it was detailed LOL

[21:53] <BobWestbrook> wowee :) Talk about a shopping list! :)

[21:53] <WorthyNewsEditor> for the first 3 times we were giong out I was giving her the George Whitten interview LOL

[21:53] <MarvBMar> hehehe

[21:53] <BobWestbrook> was "drop dead gorgeous" on the list" LOL

[21:53] <WorthyNewsEditor> then I knew but then I couldn't say a thing LOL

[21:53] <WorthyNewsEditor> what would I tell her LOL

[21:54] <WorthyNewsEditor> actually it had nothing to do with looks on my list LOL

[21:54] <BobWestbrook> ah, that was a special bonus :)

[21:54] <MarvBMar> something like....You seem to be on my golden list?

[21:54] <BobWestbrook> LOL

[21:54] <WorthyNewsEditor> A BIG TIME BONUS ! LOL

[21:55] <MarvBMar> I like bonus!!!!

[21:55] <WorthyNewsEditor> anyway I am seeing her this weekend :-) she's in Indianapolis this week which should be awesome !

[21:55] <BobWestbrook> Well, the Lord willing, you too will produce a whole bunch of drop dead gorgeous kids after you get married! :)

[21:55] <BobWestbrook> you two

[21:55] <WorthyNewsEditor> then next weekend I am seeing the man in SC he's invited me to stay at his beach house

[21:55] <MarvBMar> is this a long distane romance?

[21:55] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL Bob

[21:56] <WorthyNewsEditor> she's on tour right now with Liberated Wailing Wall

[21:56] <WorthyNewsEditor> she's an excellent singer I mean really excelllent

[21:56] <WorthyNewsEditor> have you heard of Barry and Batya seagal?

[21:56] <MarvBMar> is that a vocal group?

[21:56] <BobWestbrook> yes

[21:56] <MarvBMar> neat

[21:56] <WorthyNewsEditor> they are messianic singers in Israel those in the messianic movement know them anyway she's on their last album

[21:57] <WorthyNewsEditor> she sings a song on their last album etc

[21:57] <WorthyNewsEditor> it was just released about 3 months ago or so

[21:57] <MarvBMar> I know Jonathan Kettel

[21:57] <MarvBMar> is he ok?

[21:57] <MarvBMar> not sure I spelled that right

[21:57] <WorthyNewsEditor> Yes he's very good I saw him at the Messiah conference about a month ago

[21:57] <WorthyNewsEditor> last year sorry

[21:57] <BobWestbrook> I saw the group a few years ago, they've been around for quite awhile, with different teams - always excellent, extremely talented

[21:57] <WorthyNewsEditor> last july

[21:57] <MarvBMar> I heard he had an anurism back a ways

[21:57] <WorthyNewsEditor> I am trying to keep 2 different conversations going LOL

[21:58] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:58] <BobWestbrook> OK, folks, looks like we might not get to part of the Isaiah prophecy, but that's ok

[21:58] <WorthyNewsEditor> I am sorry Bob :-)

[21:58] <MarvBMar> there is always next week, Bob

[21:58] <WorthyNewsEditor> I get so wrapped up the Lord is moving in so many areas of the world right now

[21:59] <BobWestbrook> No apologies needed - the Lord leads these conversations, and we'll get there next week ;0

[21:59] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:59] <WorthyNewsEditor> hey Bob did you ever talk to Stan ?

[21:59] <MarvBMar> yes He is & these are exciting times

[21:59] <WorthyNewsEditor> about the hail? etc

[21:59] <BobWestbrook> Not today, no

[22:00] <MarvBMar> raining there today

[22:00] <WorthyNewsEditor> Ok my fiancee talked to her dad and he confirmed there was hail but I didn't hear the extent of it etc

[22:00] <WorthyNewsEditor> so I wanted to find out confirmation etc

[22:00] <MarvBMar> recently?

[22:00] <BobWestbrook> They need the rain to replenish the water supply

[22:00] <WorthyNewsEditor> yesterday I got a phone call in the middle of the afternoon etc

[22:00] <BobWestbrook> (Zechariah 10:1 NIV) Ask the LORD for rain in the springtime; it is the LORD who makes the storm clouds. He gives showers of rain to men, and plants of the field to everyone.

[22:01] <MarvBMar> utto!! don't trust the future father-in-law~!!!!!

[22:01] <WorthyNewsEditor> about hail I wasn't sure if he meant 3 inch hail stones or 3 inches of hail etc but there was something to do with hail so then I called Bob to see if he could check the web LOL

[22:01] <WorthyNewsEditor> because I was at work

[22:01] <BobWestbrook> :)

[22:01] <WorthyNewsEditor> then he didn't know so I called my fiancee LOL she didnt' know

[22:01] <BobWestbrook> I never did see anything about hail

[22:01] <WorthyNewsEditor> so she called her dad in Jerusalem LOL

[22:02] <WorthyNewsEditor> he siad yes it hailed etc but he didn't know the extent of damage etc

[22:02] <WorthyNewsEditor> so she called me back etc and since then I haven't heard LOL

[22:02] <MarvBMar> if it were 3 inch stones , it could cause a lot of damage

[22:02] <BobWestbrook> I'd say!

[22:02] <WorthyNewsEditor> that's what I was thinking

[22:03] <WorthyNewsEditor> that's why I was trying to find out and get confirmation etc

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[22:03] <WorthyNewsEditor> the problem is that though I do the news I don't trust the media LOL

[22:03] <BobWestbrook> :)

[22:03] <MarvBMar> you are very wise!!!!!!!

[22:03] <WorthyNewsEditor> for example these are all the misinformation stories of the past week K

[22:03] <WorthyNewsEditor> Priest that was shot in Bethlehem?

[22:03] <BobWestbrook> Yes, a flood of them

[22:03] <WorthyNewsEditor> I didn't run the story because it didnt' seem right etc

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[22:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> guess what IT DIDN'T happen

[22:04] <MarvBMar> I heard it was the bell ringer at the church oif the Nativity

[22:04] <BobWestbrook> And the Arab press especially is inflaming their people with wildly exaggerated stories about Israeli "brutality"

[22:04] <MarvBMar> 52 years old

[22:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> there was a press release by the Archdisocese etc saying how tragic it was etc

[22:04] <WorthyNewsEditor> Bob it's CNN did you hear about the CNN story?

[22:04] <BobWestbrook> which story?

[22:05] <WorthyNewsEditor> they have some new arab reporters etc

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[22:05] <BobWestbrook> oh, wonderful :) we can count on them for objectivity, huh! :)

[22:05] <Bezalel3> THi Liz.

[22:05] <elisabethelisabeth> hi all

[22:05] <BobWestbrook> Hi Liz!

[22:05] <elisabethelisabeth> i just remebered grrrrrrrr

[22:05] <PatchouliJudy958> Hi

[22:05] <MarvBMar> Hi eliz

[22:05] <elisabethelisabeth> i will have to read transcript

[22:05] <elisabethelisabeth> HI Bob

[22:05] <WorthyNewsEditor> anyway there was a story how there were these 22 palestinians gathered and how 5 of them were dragged outside and it was a death murder squad etc lined them up and killed them

[22:06] <MarvBMar> I remembered Tuesday night around 11pm

[22:06] <elisabethelisabeth> bob in one sentence what did u all talk about :)

[22:06] <MarvBMar> much too late to try & get here

[22:06] <WorthyNewsEditor> anyway the true story was that there was a gun fight where 5 palestinians were shot and killed and 4 israeli solders were injured before the rest of the palestinians surrendered

[22:06] <BobWestbrook> One sentence? Ummmmm.... a whole lotta stuff :)

[22:06] <MarvBMar> on CNN??? I didn't see that one

[22:06] <elisabethelisabeth> i was just reading fox nes reporting 30 al queda in west bank fighting with palestionans

[22:06] <WorthyNewsEditor> it was so blatent that the Washington Post ran the story

[22:06] <elisabethelisabeth> i know sorry bob :)

[22:07] <WorthyNewsEditor> do you wnat the post story?

[22:07] <MarvBMar> sometimes I want to call them & give my opinion

[22:07] <WorthyNewsEditor> if you go to Worthy News

[22:07] <BobWestbrook> Al Qaida, huh?

[22:07] <elisabethelisabeth> yeh

[22:07] <elisabethelisabeth> on fox news alerrt a lil while ago

[22:07] <Bezalel3> Debka scoops them all again....:-)

[22:07] <WorthyNewsEditor> then hit at the bottom there etc Go to Earlier news at the bottom just before the page 2 starts etc

[22:07] <WorthyNewsEditor> it's yesterdays news

[22:07] <elisabethelisabeth> debka been pretty reliable lately :)

[22:07] <BobWestbrook> Well, that will give Bush a reason to go after them huh?

[22:08] <elisabethelisabeth> so bob before u leave where is this heading

[22:08] <BobWestbrook> After all, he's the big "anti-terror" guy :)

[22:08] <elisabethelisabeth> grr bush makes me ill

[22:08] <MarvBMar> I will go to your site later

[22:08] <elisabethelisabeth> oh myyyy

[22:08] <WorthyNewsEditor> Don't trust Debka sources it's skeptical a lot of there stories are skeptical for sure just be careful

[22:08] <Bezalel3> As if missile launches weren't enough of an excuse, Bob.

[22:08] <BobWestbrook> Liz, ultimately, to a larger regional war, and that could be soon, or not real soon

[22:08] <elisabethelisabeth> is sharon gonna bend to bush

[22:08] <elisabethelisabeth> yeh i been glued to news past week

[22:09] <WorthyNewsEditor> there;s a journalist in Israel whom I respect deeply that told me about DEBKA etc

[22:09] <WorthyNewsEditor> I would say he will but remember this k

[22:09] <BobWestbrook> Debka, because of the very nature of their sources, is not what you would call "hard news" - but they do seemingly have good sources in the intelligence community and in Israeli government

[22:09] <WorthyNewsEditor> it will only last until a major bomb goes off

[22:09] <elisabethelisabeth> yeh i am always leary to read debka

[22:09] <BobWestbrook> in other words, if you realize what kind of news agency Debka is, they do a good job

[22:09] <WorthyNewsEditor> I wish I could comment in more detail LOL

[22:10] <elisabethelisabeth> lol bob

[22:10] <WorthyNewsEditor> true bob :-)

[22:10] <elisabethelisabeth> so is sharon gonna pull out ????

[22:10] <MarvBMar> what kind are they ? Bob

[22:10] <BobWestbrook> Liz, its likely that at some point Sharon will bend to pressure, at least partially

[22:10] <MarvBMar> I am sure he will just don't know when

[22:11] <elisabethelisabeth> oh and back to square one

[22:11] <elisabethelisabeth> :((

[22:11] <BobWestbrook> it's a race for them to get as much accomplished as soon as possible

[22:11] <elisabethelisabeth> and what about arafat ??? they will sit with him?

[22:11] <elisabethelisabeth> yessss

[22:11] <MarvBMar> finding all those documents was good

[22:11] <elisabethelisabeth> yessss

[22:11] <elisabethelisabeth> but does it matter seems world is blind

[22:11] <BobWestbrook> Marion, they base stories on unofficial sources in the intelligence communitiy, so by nature the "news" they have is somewhat speculative

[22:11] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL talk about burying a story K

[22:12] <MarvBMar> even though arafat says it is forgery. I think most of the world knows better

[22:12] <WorthyNewsEditor> Palestinian is found with printing plates and fake shekels etc

[22:12] <WorthyNewsEditor> and did you read this story on Fox or CNN or anywhere ?

[22:12] <elisabethelisabeth> yeh and this latest one with his signature

[22:12] <MarvBMar> yes saw that tonight

[22:13] <WorthyNewsEditor> it was on tv tonight?

[22:13] <WorthyNewsEditor> that story broke 2 days ago

[22:13] <BobWestbrook> Zinni is "forcing" his way in to see Arafat, so once again Israel has to give in to US pressure, instead of leaving Arafat as "Mr Irrelevant" which they would like to do

[22:13] <MarvBMar> yes as we were here

[22:13] <PatchouliJudy958> It doesn't seem that finding those documents did anything

[22:13] <elisabethelisabeth> Bob i had far fetched thought..could arafat be the antichrist ???

[22:13] <MarvBMar> on CNN Christienne Omimpour has a program from Jeruselem at 8 est

[22:14] <BobWestbrook> no, I don't think so

[22:14] <elisabethelisabeth> it sems most world embraces him and he is so evil

[22:14] <BobWestbrook> he's too ugly :)

[22:14] <elisabethelisabeth> LOOOOOL

[22:14] <MarvBMar> no eliz

[22:14] <elisabethelisabeth> hahah yeh this candle picture whew he look too scary

[22:14] <BobWestbrook> how's that for a theological answer? :)

[22:14] <Bezalel3> He is cute in a Yoda kinda of way...

[22:14] <BobWestbrook> barf barf barf

[22:14] <PatchouliJudy958> sometimes I wonder if Bush is

[22:14] <WorthyNewsEditor> LOL Bezalel LOL

[22:14] <elisabethelisabeth> well i know much he dont fuflill yet but i think how everyone embraces him its strange

[22:14] <elisabethelisabeth> great BOB

[22:15] <elisabethelisabeth> :)

[22:15] <BobWestbrook> :)

[22:15] <elisabethelisabeth> ty

[22:15] <elisabethelisabeth> i heard

[22:15] <elisabethelisabeth> al-asuqa is threatening any pa leader who meets with powell

[22:15] <Bezalel3> Maybe Arafat will be the court jester for the AC.....

[22:15] <MarvBMar> eliz. The jews are going to accept the antichrist in the beginning He is going to bring peace. Arafat just doesn't fit the bill!!!!!

[22:16] <elisabethelisabeth> Yeh marv....

[22:16] <MarvBMar> Bez I think yoda is cute but arafat!!!!!!!!!! yuck!!!!!!!!!!!

[22:16] <BobWestbrook> No, I would not expect that you should see Arafat walking on terra firm for many more years

[22:16] <BobWestbrook> terra firma

[22:16] <PatchouliJudy958> I am amazed that people don't remember Arafat's past. He was as feared as Ben Laden

[22:16] <elisabethelisabeth> Bob u cling to the position on daniel 9:27 be 7 year peace treaty??

[22:16] <PatchouliJudy958> Arafat looks Jewish in an odd sort of way

[22:16] <WorthyNewsEditor> Bob do you think that Arafat fits the bill of Zechariah 4 or is it 7 where it talks about the king of gaza shall perish?

[22:17] <BobWestbrook> It appears to be a 7 year period, yes, but does not say "peace treaty" there

[22:17] <elisabethelisabeth> ok

[22:17] <BobWestbrook> Yes, I do, George

[22:17] <elisabethelisabeth> some have a conclusion this refers to Jesus

[22:17] <BobWestbrook> I do believe that is talking about Arafat

[22:17] <Bezalel3> Folks, I need to leave. My wife will be home shortly for dinner....Shalom and God Bless you all.

[22:17] <PatchouliJudy958> Bye

[22:17] <BobWestbrook> See ya Bez :)

[22:17] <elisabethelisabeth> really king of gaza wow

[22:17] <WorthyNewsEditor> actually confirmation of a convenant it doesn't say anything about a peace treaty etc

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[22:17] <elisabethelisabeth> bye bez

[22:18] <BobWestbrook> Right, George

[22:18] <WorthyNewsEditor> sounds like an article LOL

[22:18] <BobWestbrook> :)

[22:18] <elisabethelisabeth> so the oslo could be confirmed???

[22:18] <WorthyNewsEditor> actually the next article i am giong to write is the Highway in Israel LOL

[22:18] <elisabethelisabeth> its all so amazing to me...

[22:18] <WorthyNewsEditor> that will confuse people LOL

[22:19] <WorthyNewsEditor> basically people will be thinking about this highway but then I will reveal when this highway is to be made :-) in the millenial reign of Christ :-)

[22:19] <BobWestbrook> Liz, my opinion on Oslo is different - I believe it is now being repudiated by the Lord, as he said he would do - nullifying the "covenant with death" Israel had made - there is an article about that on my website

[22:20] <elisabethelisabeth> yes i read it Bob :)

[22:20] <elisabethelisabeth> great one

[22:20] <BobWestbrook> http://www.trumpetsounds.com/alie.html

[22:20] <PatchouliJudy958> Bob, how is this going to play out, if the whole world is demanding a Palestinian state NOW

[22:20] <elisabethelisabeth> ok well i will remeber ur chat next week bob i gotta go now

[22:21] <BobWestbrook> See ya Liz! :)

[22:21] <elisabethelisabeth> bye all

[22:21] <WorthyNewsEditor> well the world doesn't decide if there's a palestinian state LOL

[22:21] <PatchouliJudy958> There can't be too much time before things totally blow because they aren't going to tolerate it

[22:21] <elisabethelisabeth> :)

[22:21] <MarvBMar> nite liz

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[22:21] <WorthyNewsEditor> last I heard the Lord still reigns and is High and Lifted up :-)

[22:21] <MarvBMar> amen!!!!!

[22:21] <BobWestbrook> Judy, one thing we do know, even if a Palestinian state would be formed, which I don't think it will, it will not last, according to Ezekiel 36

[22:21] <MarvBMar> and AMEN!!!!!R

[22:21] <BobWestbrook> to me, the more immediate question is this....

[22:22] <PatchouliJudy958> I don't think it will either, I just wonder with the pressure, the pot is bound to boil over

[22:22] <BobWestbrook> will Arafat succeed in his long-term objective of getting "international monitors" in Judea and Samaria

[22:22] <PatchouliJudy958> You know what I mean? I just can't stay at the level it has been

[22:22] <BobWestbrook> that's what all the terrorism is really about - they know they cannot militarily overwhelm Israel

[22:23] <BobWestbrook> they want to take the violence to such a level (as we are seeing)....

[22:23] <BobWestbrook> that the UN steps in in force

[22:23] <BobWestbrook> and the net effect of that would be.....

[22:23] <BobWestbrook> a solidification of the "borders of Palestine" - that's his overall objective

[22:24] <MarvBMar> arafat had the nerve the other day to make the statement something like see you in Jeruselem

[22:24] <BobWestbrook> the UN "peace keeping force" would in effect establish a defacto authority, backed up by the clout of the UN, that would give him his state

[22:24] <MarvBMar> He will not stop

[22:24] <BobWestbrook> but it is not gonna happen, folks :)

[22:25] <MarvBMar> if it does it won't be permenent

[22:25] <WorthyNewsEditor> Bob how about this for a scenerio to go down ?

[22:26] <WorthyNewsEditor> you ready for my thinking LOL

[22:26] <BobWestbrook> Shoot, George :)

[22:26] <BobWestbrook> Then I gotta run :)

[22:26] <MarvBMar> Iraq & all the other arab countries have so much land that they could easily give the plo som land. But they don't really want them either

[22:26] <WorthyNewsEditor> ok I am not saying soon it could be years etc but this is my potential scenerio :-)

[22:26] <BobWestbrook> ok :)

[22:27] <WorthyNewsEditor> regional war breaks out in Israel which Israel takes and occupies part of Egypt, Lebanon Syria and Jordan

[22:27] <WorthyNewsEditor> basically the promise to Abraham Nile to Euphrates etc

[22:28] <WorthyNewsEditor> the Antimessiah steps in somewhere along the line brings peace ot the region turns Jerusalem into an international city

[22:28] <WorthyNewsEditor> during the war the dome of the rock is destroyed etc to set up for the building of the temple etc

[22:28] <BobWestbrook> sounds like a possible scenario, yes

[22:28] <WorthyNewsEditor> basically the king of the north and the king of the south of Daniel 11 that's where the AC actually reclaims the land for israel etc

[22:29] <WorthyNewsEditor> syria and lebanon etc and the other regions this is why Israel grabs hold of him etc thinks he's the messiah etc

[22:29] <WorthyNewsEditor> peace is brought because the "muslim extremists" have been crushed etc

[22:29] <MarvBMar> does he reclaim land?? or just peace

[22:30] <WorthyNewsEditor> just a brief overview of how I see things

[22:30] <MarvBMar> oh ok

[22:30] <WorthyNewsEditor> well Daniel 11 talks about going against the army of the north and the army of the south etc

[22:30] <WorthyNewsEditor> so that's got to fit into the scenerio somehow etc

[22:31] <WorthyNewsEditor> Israel has always believed that the Messiah would bring a restoration of Israel etc

[22:31] <WorthyNewsEditor> a physical kingdom etc

[22:31] <BobWestbrook> interesting

[22:31] <MarvBMar> well all arabs think the jews have no right to exist

[22:31] <WorthyNewsEditor> right they are wiped out

[22:32] <WorthyNewsEditor> just a thought I will have to think about how to write it up etc but that's my potential idea

[22:32] <MarvBMar> can't wipe out the jews

[22:32] <WorthyNewsEditor> do you see any flaws or anything that counterdicts scripture in what I said Bob?

[22:32] <WorthyNewsEditor> not the jews the arabs

[22:32] <WorthyNewsEditor> the "extremist" arabs

[22:32] <BobWestbrook> Not really, seems plausible

[22:32] <WorthyNewsEditor> not the arabs totally etc

[22:32] <MarvBMar> how will you explain Jesus return & Israel victorious

[22:33] <WorthyNewsEditor> well when you say not really LOL what are you thinking

[22:33] <BobWestbrook> I gotta go for now - thanks again, friends! Keep on chattin! :)

[22:33] <PatchouliJudy958> bye bob

[22:33] <PatchouliJudy958> thank you

[22:33] <MarvBMar> good night Bob

[22:33] <WorthyNewsEditor> well Marv the return of Messiah at the 2nd coming is a war where the countries listed in Ezekiel 38 are interesting etc

[22:33] <MarvBMar> God bless

[22:34] <WorthyNewsEditor> but ominously missing are Syria, Lebanon, Egypt etc

[22:34] <WorthyNewsEditor> Jordan

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