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[20:02] <Bezalel3> Oh, good. Thought the chat had been cancelled....

[20:02] <BobWestbrook> Nope - here we are! :)

[20:02] <Bezalel3> 2I'll try to elbow my way to a seat...through the crowd. :-)

[20:03] <BobWestbrook> Yeah, tough finding a place to sit, huh! :)

[20:03] <BobWestbrook> Sometimes it's puzzling why there aren't more people here

[20:03] <BobWestbrook> But I guess the Lord has just the ones He wants here! :)

[20:04] <Bezalel3> 2There was a large crowd Tuesday. Maybe the timing's not as good on Thursday.

[20:04] <BobWestbrook> Yeah, could be

[20:05] <Bezalel3> 2Quite a few showed up at quarter after on Tuesday, so maybe that's what is happening tonight.

[20:05] <BobWestbrook> How are things in your world?

[20:06] <Bezalel3> 2Fine. Quiet. Found out today that the new grandkid is going to be a girl, much to the delight of my wife and oldest daughter. I have to admit I'm pretty pleased too.

[20:06] <BobWestbrook> Hey, that's wonderful!

[20:07] <Bezalel3> 2Yes. After 2 grandsons, needed a little girl to spoil again. I have two daughters and a son, so have experienced both.

[20:08] <BobWestbrook> Little girls are fun - our granddaughter has her first birthday in a week

[20:08] <Bezalel3> 2Little girls are a whole lot more fun....:-)

[20:09] <Bezalel3> 2That is the special age....before the terrible twos, into teenhood. They get good again around 20 or so.

[20:09] <BobWestbrook> uh huh - I know that story well :)

[20:09] <BobWestbrook> Are you in the room via the website or the Pirch software?

[20:10] <Bezalel3> 2Nope, browser. I did come in under Pirch, when I first got in and didn't find anybody.....

[20:10] <BobWestbrook> ok, good, I just wanted to be sure that people can get in via the website

[20:11] <Bezalel3> 2I've come into the room both ways tonight, without a hiccup....that's why I was leery when noone was here, it was too easy.

[20:12] <BobWestbrook> Regarding the most recent suicide bombing:

[20:12] <BobWestbrook> Hamas officials, including spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, expressed satisfaction and promised additional attacks until all Jews leave "the occupied territories of 1948," which is how the organization, like other Palestinian factions, refers to the State of Israel.

[20:12] <BobWestbrook> That's from Israel Insider

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[20:14] <BobWestbrook> Welcome Kathy!

[20:14] <Bezalel3> 2I was reading a Gamla newsletter, where they accused Arafat of ordering the attack because he was mad about the rebuff at the Arab Summit.

[20:14] <Kathy12> Thanks Bob

[20:14] <Bezalel3> 2Hi Kathy.

[20:14] <BobWestbrook> You've increased our crowd by 50%! :)

[20:14] <Kathy12> Hi everybody

[20:14] <Kathy12> oyh only Bez is here with us lol

[20:14] <Kathy12> sorry

[20:14] <Kathy12> Great to see you all

[20:14] <BobWestbrook> Good to see you!

[20:15] <Bezalel3> 2Good to see you, too, Kathy.

[20:15] <Kathy12> thanks Bez

[20:15] <BobWestbrook> Now Arafat is up to his old tricks of declaring a "ceasefire" because he knows the hammer is about to fall

[20:15] <Kathy12> it has been a long time

[20:15] <BobWestbrook> just like he did after the disco bombing

[20:15] <BobWestbrook> But this time it won't work

[20:15] <Bezalel3> 2Yup.

[20:16] <BobWestbrook> Kathy, which Kathy are you? :)

[20:16] <Bezalel3> 2And the pundits keep putting out the line that the Palestinians are oppressed.

[20:16] <Kathy12> I am the old Kathy Bob

[20:16] <Kathy12> the one that you talk to on aol sometimes

[20:16] <BobWestbrook> Yes, I liked the visual that Patricia expressed in the forums about Arafat blowing bubbles

[20:17] <BobWestbrook> I thought so - good to see you again!

[20:17] <Kathy12> thanks Bob

[20:17] <Bezalel3> 2I didn't see that one....

[20:17] <Kathy12> I have been trying to get in since you started the chat back but seems like something is always keeping me away

[20:18] <Bezalel3> 2What did you do, cast out the demons who were keeping you away, Kathy? :-)

[20:18] <BobWestbrook> well, now you've made it! :) and since we're a small group, we can go in whatever direction you'd like tonight

[20:18] <Kathy12> I sure did but there is one still hanging around Bez lol

[20:19] <Kathy12> its called the have to work too hard demon lol

[20:19] <BobWestbrook> I was going to continue in Ezekiel but I think the current situation is more topical

[20:19] <Kathy12> you are the tour guid Bob

[20:19] <BobWestbrook> LOL

[20:20] <Bezalel3> 2Have you heard anything about new elections, Bob?

[20:20] <BobWestbrook> no, Bez

[20:20] <BobWestbrook> what new elections are you referring to?

[20:20] <Bezalel3> 2Knesset elections....

[20:20] <BobWestbrook> no, I have not

[20:21] <Bezalel3> 2Okay, Stan seemed to think a week or so ago, that there may be elections in November.

[20:22] <BobWestbrook> It depends, I suppose, on who bolts the coalition when

[20:22] <Bezalel3> 2But, speaking of elections, noticed that the media has begun referring to Arafat as "president" and talking about his "election" to the position.

[20:22] <BobWestbrook> Yeah, that's a joke, huh

[20:22] <Bezalel3> 2It seems to be a new approach. They must be trying to legitimatize him.

[20:22] <BobWestbrook> Right now, He's the president of the entire block where the IDF has him holed up :)

[20:23] <BobWestbrook> Yes, the PA supporters love to call him "President" - but soon he'll be president of nothing

[20:23] <Bezalel3> 2I liked his declaration that he had decided to not attend the summit. Sounded like face saving to me.

[20:23] <BobWestbrook> Yes, he's a master at that kind of maneuvering

[20:24] <BobWestbrook> I don't like him :)

[20:24] <Kathy12> sorry guys I have to run phone is keeping me away pray for me to have things settle down

[20:24] <Bezalel3> 2The world still believes his lies, in great numbers.....

[20:24] <Bezalel3> 2Night, Kathy. Glad you made it....

[20:24] <BobWestbrook> OK Kathy, come back when you can :)

[20:24] <BobWestbrook> God bless you and your ministry!

[20:24] <Kathy12> I will Bob

[20:25] <Kathy12> and you too thanks and God Bless you a nd Bez

[20:25] <Bezalel3> 2ty

[20:25] <Bezalel3> 2u2

[20:25] <Kathy12> will look forward to getting back into the chat

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[20:26] <BobWestbrook> Four Eilon Moreh residents were killed and one was wounded, all members of the same family, when a terrorist infiltrated the hilltop community near Nablus, burst into their home, and shot them shortly before nine p.m. last night. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

[20:26] <BobWestbrook> that's from the Jerusalem Post

[20:26] <BobWestbrook> So many families in Israel are grieving now

[20:27] <Bezalel3> 2Retaliation is going to heavy. The IDF won't have any reason to hold back.

[20:27] <Bezalel3> 2to be heavy

[20:27] <Bezalel3> 2Rich may be on his way.

[20:27] <BobWestbrook> Right - I wonder how far they will go this time

[20:28] <BobWestbrook> I'd like to visit Eilon Moreh

[20:28] <Bezalel3> 2Maybe the US, through Cheney, made some commitments....

[20:28] <Bezalel3> 2I'm not familiar with the area.

[20:28] <BobWestbrook> It's near Nablus, and the Biblical Shechem

[20:28] <Bezalel3> 2k

[20:28] <BobWestbrook> Shechem is very signficant in the Bible

[20:29] <BobWestbrook> Joseph's Tomb is there

[20:29] <Bezalel3> 2Abraham's purchase, right?

[20:29] <BobWestbrook> or at least it was until October 2000 anyway

[20:29] <BobWestbrook> umm, let's see, who did purchase that plot?

[20:29] <Bezalel3> 2Yes, another Palestinian "protest"

[20:31] <BobWestbrook> You're right

[20:31] <BobWestbrook> (Acts 7:15-16 NIV) Then Jacob went down to Egypt, where he and our fathers died. {16} Their bodies were brought back to Shechem and placed in the tomb that Abraham had bought from the sons of Hamor at Shechem for a certain sum of money.

[20:31] <Bezalel3> 2 18 After Jacob came from Paddan Aram, [2] he arrived safely at the [3] city of Shechem in Canaan and camped within sight of the city. 19 For a hundred pieces of silver, [4] he bought from the sons of Hamor, the father of Shechem, the plot of ground where he pitched his tent. 20 There he set up an altar and called it El Elohe Israel. [5] Genesis 33:18-20

[20:32] <BobWestbrook> Interesting

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[20:32] <BobWestbrook> Hi Rich!

[20:32] <Rich_31> hi Bob how are ya

[20:32] <Bezalel3> 2So, did both Abraham and Jacob buy the plot?

[20:32] <Bezalel3> 2Hi Rich.

[20:32] <Rich_31> hello Bez

[20:33] <Rich_31> 7not many here tonight huh

[20:33] <BobWestbrook> And you may recall from our previous discussions of Psalm 60 that Shechem is singled out as a place that God will "parcel out" in victory

[20:33] <BobWestbrook> Good question, Bez - I noticed that also - I'll have to investigate that

[20:34] <BobWestbrook> Perhaps.....

[20:35] <BobWestbrook> Abraham bought the tomb and Jacob bought the larger surrounding plot when he decided to settle there for awhile

[20:35] <BobWestbrook> that's what it seems to imply

[20:35] <Rich_31> 7did you guys see that the tanks are rolling into ramallah and nablus again

[20:35] <Bezalel3> 2 12 Now his brothers had gone to graze their father's flocks near Shechem, 13 and Israel said to Joseph, "As you know, your brothers are grazing the flocks near Shechem. Come, I am going to send you to them." Genesis 37:12-13

[20:35] <BobWestbrook> Yes, indeed, Rich - Go IDF Go!

[20:35] <Rich_31> 7thats for sure

[20:36] <Rich_31> 7BRB need to get a bite to eat

[20:37] <Bezalel3> 2Do you see God's timing in the "meltdown" of the Catholic priesthood at this time?

[20:37] <BobWestbrook> (Joshua 24:32 NIV) And Joseph's bones, which the Israelites had brought up from Egypt, were buried at Shechem in the tract of land that Jacob bought for a hundred pieces of silver from the sons of Hamor, the father of Shechem. This became the inheritance of Joseph's descendants.

[20:37] <BobWestbrook> Yes, interesting way to put it, Bez

[20:38] <Rich_31> 7see that too Bez

[20:39] <Bezalel3> 2The Lord, a jealous Lord is making sure no one else gets credit for the resolution of this.

[20:39] <BobWestbrook> Remember that Joseph had insisted that his bones be taken back to the Promised Land

[20:39] <Bezalel3> 2Yes.

[20:39] <BobWestbrook> Amen to that!

[20:39] <Rich_31> 7yep

[20:39] <BobWestbrook> (Exodus 13:19 NIV) Moses took the bones of Joseph with him because Joseph had made the sons of Israel swear an oath. He had said, "God will surely come to your aid, and then you must carry my bones up with you from this place."

[20:40] <Rich_31> 7to the place God made Holy

[20:40] <BobWestbrook> And it was for this that Joseph was commended in the "faith chapter" of Hebrews 11

[20:40] <BobWestbrook> (Hebrews 11:22 NIV) By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions about his bones.

[20:41] <Bezalel3> 2And so, Joseph was buried at the place he was sold into slavery by his brothers.

[20:41] <Rich_31> 7Bob is the presence of God still in the land over there

[20:42] <Rich_31> 7or has He left

[20:42] <BobWestbrook> brb phone

[20:42] <Bezalel3> 2k

[20:42] <Rich_31> 7yep

[20:42] <Rich_31> 7what do you think Bez

[20:43] <Bezalel3> 2I think God is walking through the valley of dry bones, with Ezekiel, son of man.....getting ready to breath the spirit into the regathered bodies....

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[20:43] <Rich_31> 7me too

[20:44] <BobWestbrook> I'm back - excellent answer, Bez!

[20:44] <Rich_31> 7I think we're really quite closer to His comming than some would like to thinkl

[20:44] <Bezalel3> 2When that spirit is breathed into the lifeless Israel, we will again see miracles on the earth.

[20:45] <BobWestbrook> Yes, that's for sure!

[20:45] <Rich_31> 7and know thim to be from God

[20:45] <Bezalel3> 2Last week was really special, to me, Bob. Your examination of Ezekiel 37 gave me a lot of insights to events.

[20:45] <BobWestbrook> And at the same time, the anti-God forces will be mounting their last final futile assault, which is the theme of the next chapters in Ezekiel,, 38 & 39

[20:46] <Rich_31> 7thats for sure Bob

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> Great, Bez! It's the Holy Spirit who gives insight, I'm just along for the ride! :)

[20:46] <Bezalel3> 2But, you see a regional war before the 38 & 39 battle, right?

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> yes

[20:46] <BobWestbrook> I'm quite certain of that

[20:47] <Rich_31> 7oh yes The Holy Spirit

[20:47] <Rich_31> 7thats where tis mess now is leading huh

[20:47] <Rich_31> 7the regional war

[20:48] <BobWestbrook> Yes, and I think it will shock the world, the severity of it

[20:48] <Bezalel3> 2I see where Syria has exerted a lot of influence at the Arab summit.

[20:48] <Rich_31> 7its going to be nuclear this time I think

[20:48] <BobWestbrook> Probably will be the worst war since WWII

[20:48] <Bezalel3> 2I keep returning to the destruction of Damascus....

[20:48] <BobWestbrook> I suspect you may be right

[20:48] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Bashir's bluster has no bounds :)

[20:49] <Rich_31> 7Israel will be overwelmed and then have to use the nukes

[20:49] <BobWestbrook> Yes, well, perhaps not overwhelmed, but if any other party introduces weapons of mass destruction of any kind, it's almost a given

[20:50] <Bezalel3> 2It's beginning to look like Bush won't have much compunction about using nukes, either.

[20:50] <BobWestbrook> And there are plenty of irrational folks there with their fingers on the triggers of WMD

[20:50] <Rich_31> 7the press is getting us ready for the use of them by telling us they might be used

[20:50] <BobWestbrook> No, I think it's interesting how that "leak" of the new policy came at this time

[20:51] <Bezalel3> 2All it would take is one scud with biological/chemical warhead, from Iraq....

[20:51] <Bezalel3> 2or Syria, or Iran...

[20:51] <BobWestbrook> As Stan said on Monday, apparently there is some intelligence data that Iraq may be soon capable of some kind of crude atomic bomb

[20:51] <BobWestbrook> right, or Hezbollah

[20:51] <Rich_31> 7Debka said a couple of months ago that Israel had em at the ready when iraq had massed troops on the border

[20:52] <Bezalel3> 2Hezbollah = Al Queda anymore.

[20:52] <BobWestbrook> (Zechariah 11:1 NIV) Open your doors, O Lebanon, so that fire may devour your cedars!

[20:52] <Rich_31> 7terrorists all of em

[20:53] <BobWestbrook> Yes, things have really changed since Sept 11

[20:53] <BobWestbrook> In some ways, it seems like groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have become emboldened rather than careful

[20:53] <Rich_31> 7remember in I think its Leviticus Moses says God will bring terror to us

[20:54] <Bezalel3> 2Sure, they watch the media.

[20:54] <Bezalel3> 2and think the majority support them.

[20:54] <BobWestbrook> And you can be sure that for Hezbollah, it's not a question of if, but when, they will unleash their arsenal of missiles

[20:54] <Rich_31> 7and make the majority support them huh Bez

[20:54] <BobWestbrook> they are just waiting for the opportune time

[20:55] <Rich_31> 7yep

[20:56] <BobWestbrook> You guys ever read "The Message" paraphrase by Eugene Peterson?

[20:56] <Rich_31> 7I have to check the mail and get on to bed guys thanks for being here God Bless ya

[20:56] <Bezalel3> 2I haven't, Bob....

[20:56] <BobWestbrook> See ya Rich! God bless!

[20:56] <Bezalel3> 2Night Rich.

[20:57] <Rich_31> 7good night too

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[20:57] <BobWestbrook> It's good - I have both the NT and also the books of the Prophets

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[20:57] <Bezalel3> 2Hi Patricia

[20:58] <BobWestbrook> It's highly interpretative rather than a straight translation, but at times very insightful

[20:58] <BobWestbrook> Hi Patricia! :)

[20:58] <IMBPatricia> (hi bez)

[20:58] <IMBPatricia> Hi Bob

[20:58] <IMBPatricia> Sorry I am late

[20:58] <BobWestbrook> That's ok, as you can see, plenty of room! :)

[20:59] <Bezalel3> 2Well, you increased the attendance by 50% again....:-)

[20:59] <BobWestbrook> You can have that whole sofa over there if you want it! :)

[20:59] <IMBPatricia> hmmm...where is everyone?

[20:59] <BobWestbrook> Good question

[20:59] <IMBPatricia> thanks for the couch:-)

[21:00] <IMBPatricia> I will catch tomorrow when the log is posted.

[21:00] <IMBPatricia> but can I ask what you were saying maybe a few lines ago?

[21:01] <BobWestbrook> In the message, Peterson ties the reference to Lebanon in Zech 11 back to the previous chapter

[21:01] <BobWestbrook> which I will give you to provide the context

[21:01] <BobWestbrook> "The Message" paraphrase, Patricia

[21:01] <BobWestbrook> But first from the NIV

[21:01] <BobWestbrook> (Zechariah 10:4-5 NIV) From Judah will come the cornerstone, from him the tent peg, from him the battle bow, from him every ruler. {5} Together they will be like mighty men trampling the muddy streets in battle. Because the LORD is with them, they will fight and overthrow the horsemen.

[21:02] <BobWestbrook> I like the poetic phrasing of that

[21:02] <BobWestbrook> And the graphic depiction

[21:02] <IMBPatricia> Thank you, Lord!

[21:03] <BobWestbrook> Peterson's paraphrase of that last bit is:

[21:04] <BobWestbrook> "Courageous and vigorous because God is with them, undeterred by the world's thugs"

[21:04] <BobWestbrook> Any thugs come to mind? (grin)

[21:05] <Bezalel3> 2Too many to name (cough Arafat)

[21:05] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:05] <BobWestbrook> (Zechariah 10:6 NIV) "I will strengthen the house of Judah and save the house of Joseph. I will restore them because I have compassion on them. They will be as though I had not rejected them, for I am the LORD their God and I will answer them.

[21:06] <BobWestbrook> One of the many reassurances provided in the Scriptures regarding God's future plans for Israel

[21:06] <Bezalel3> 2Yes, there are more promises of restoration than of destruction.

[21:06] <BobWestbrook> (Zechariah 10:7 NIV) The Ephraimites will become like mighty men, and their hearts will be glad as with wine. Their children will see it and be joyful; their hearts will rejoice in the LORD.

[21:08] <BobWestbrook> I hadn't really planned to use this passage, but here we are anyway. Commentary welcome :)

[21:08] <Bezalel3> 2Geraldo Rivera is reporting the abuses of Palestinians in Lebanon.....they are treated worse there than in Israel.

[21:08] <IMBPatricia> tough, Geraldo.

[21:08] <BobWestbrook> Really! That would be interesting to hear

[21:09] <Bezalel3> 2He just referred to the bomber in Netanya as a "SOB"

[21:09] <BobWestbrook> It's true - the Arab nations have kept the Palestinians in camps for decades for their own cynical purposes

[21:09] <IMBPatricia> he has been leaning on the side of liberal democrates...but as a Jew, he will soon change his view

[21:09] <BobWestbrook> He's Jewish?

[21:09] <IMBPatricia> yes

[21:09] <BobWestbrook> Didn't know that

[21:10] <Bezalel3> 2Neither did I....thought he was Catholic.

[21:10] <IMBPatricia> Rivera is Jewish..my brother-in -law is a Rivera, and has Jewish roots

[21:10] <BobWestbrook> That's very interesting

[21:10] <IMBPatricia> many catholic hispanics were forced into catholicism

[21:11] <Bezalel3> 2He's now talking about the IDF movements into Ramallah.

[21:12] <BobWestbrook> (Zechariah 10:7 NRSV) Then the people of Ephraim shall become like warriors, and their hearts shall be glad as with wine. Their children shall see it and rejoice, their hearts shall exult in the LORD.

[21:13] <BobWestbrook> This just occurred to me.... some think that "Ephraim" is symbolic of Christians

[21:13] <IMBPatricia> yes

[21:13] <BobWestbrook> Perhaps this is talking of us, the "warriors" on behalf of Israel

[21:13] <BobWestbrook> who are giddy like drunks when they see God working on behalf of the Jewish people :)

[21:13] <IMBPatricia> well, if so, it would be an honor.

[21:14] <IMBPatricia> amen to that, Bob.

[21:15] <BobWestbrook> I'll be glad if the IDF completely takes over Ramallah and Nablus again

[21:15] <IMBPatricia> me too.

[21:15] <Bezalel3> 2Maybe it's time to move Arafat to Tunis.....:-)

[21:16] <IMBPatricia> Bob, have you talked at all with Stan and the others?

[21:16] <BobWestbrook> Not for the last few days, no

[21:16] <IMBPatricia> How about to Mars, Bez?:-)

[21:16] <IMBPatricia> Hmmmm....I pray they are ok.

[21:16] <BobWestbrook> yes, or some other non-earthly place :) if you get my drift

[21:17] <Bezalel3> 2Geraldo just stated his mother is Jewish and father is Catholic....

[21:17] <BobWestbrook> I'm sure they are

[21:17] <IMBPatricia> Glad you are safe, Bob...where exactly are you?

[21:17] <BobWestbrook> I'm in Tampa Florida

[21:17] <IMBPatricia> ok...

[21:17] <Bezalel3> 2He said he had to restrain himself from attacking (physically) the leader of Hizb'allah

[21:17] <BobWestbrook> wowee

[21:17] <IMBPatricia> Yeah, Geraldo must be feeling his Jewish roots.

[21:18] <BobWestbrook> So much for journalistic neutrality :)

[21:18] <IMBPatricia> Bez, are you also in Washington state?

[21:18] <BobWestbrook> which is pretty much non-existent anyway

[21:18] <Bezalel3> 2The Hizb'allah leader asked him directly in an interview if he was a Jew, and Geraldo said his blood boiled.

[21:18] <IMBPatricia> sad but true, Bob.

[21:19] <BobWestbrook> wow

[21:19] <Bezalel3> 2Yes, Patricia. Right across the Sound in Bremerton.

[21:19] <IMBPatricia> I tell you, what happened to Danny Pearl has had me praying for Geraldo.

[21:19] <IMBPatricia> ok, Bez...I am in Redmond...

[21:19] <BobWestbrook> Gatesland!

[21:19] <IMBPatricia> wow, you are in a beautiful area.

[21:20] <IMBPatricia> yep...we know a few microsofties:-)

[21:20] <Bezalel3> 2I've liked it since I was first stationed at Keyport in 1970.

[21:20] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:20] <BobWestbrook> (Zechariah 10:8-9 NIV) I will signal for them and gather them in. Surely I will redeem them; they will be as numerous as before. {9} Though I scatter them among the peoples, yet in distant lands they will remember me. They and their children will survive, and they will return.

[21:21] <IMBPatricia> It is so nice over there, Bez

[21:21] <Bezalel3> 2It's starting to get overpopulated though.

[21:22] <IMBPatricia> Bob, we have the priveledge to know some "big guys" in that company...for whatever God's purposes are.

[21:22] <BobWestbrook> Amazing how historically accurate these verses are that were written so long ago, speaking of how the Jewish people would retain their identity and their attachment to Jerusalem after centuries in exile

[21:22] <IMBPatricia> Bez, Redmond is stacked on top of stack.

[21:22] <BobWestbrook> Cool, any of them want their portraits shot? LOL

[21:23] <IMBPatricia> oh yeah...these are very family-oriented folks

[21:23] <IMBPatricia> they love family portraits

[21:23] <Bezalel3> 2Too bad you couldn't have gotten the contract for the Gates' wedding...:-)

[21:23] <BobWestbrook> And how God would "signal for them" through the providential emergence of the Zionist movement

[21:23] <IMBPatricia> nice people, too.

[21:23] <BobWestbrook> Yeah :)

[21:23] <BobWestbrook> We got 2 calls today for potential wedding bookings!

[21:24] <IMBPatricia> Bob, I will be all ears to any suggestions you could send my way.

[21:24] <Bezalel3> 2Great! You deserve all the success you are given.

[21:24] <BobWestbrook> I don't know about the "deserve" part - I'm basically a bonehead that God has decided to bless for whatever reason

[21:25] <IMBPatricia> well, I belong to that club too, Bob.

[21:25] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:25] <Bezalel3> 2Boy, if you're a bonehead, that makes me pond scum.....:-)

[21:25] <IMBPatricia> :->

[21:25] <BobWestbrook> LOL

[21:25] <IMBPatricia> a real trio here LOL

[21:26] <IMBPatricia> but I must say that I am blessed to be amongst you all

[21:26] <IMBPatricia> side note:

[21:26] <Bezalel3> 2Bob, just curious. If you attended Lilberty U, was there anything particular that moved you into prophesy and support of Israel.

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> Hmmmm, well, that was a long time ago, and nothing really from that timeframe

[21:27] <IMBPatricia> I have been fighting a severe sickness today...high temp, etc..heart giving me some pain...

[21:27] <IMBPatricia> not a normal thing.

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> I do recall reading one book that really initiated my interest

[21:27] <Bezalel3> 2Oh dear, Patricia...

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> Oh no!

[21:27] <IMBPatricia> I think it is like Delta said, we are under attack.

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> Lord, we ask you to help Patricia now

[21:27] <IMBPatricia> but there are safety in numbers.

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> and eliminate this illness

[21:27] <BobWestbrook> Yes, we are under attack

[21:28] <Bezalel3> 2Annoint her with Your healing, and restore her to the battle.

[21:28] <BobWestbrook> Years ago, I read a book called....

[21:29] <IMBPatricia> (thanks guys, I receive it!)

[21:29] <BobWestbrook> "The Fall and Rise of Israel" by somebody Hull

[21:29] <BobWestbrook> But more than that, I suppose.....

[21:29] <IMBPatricia> interesting title

[21:29] <BobWestbrook> is just my avid reading of the "neglected" parts of the Bible, the books of the prophets

[21:30] <BobWestbrook> after awhile, it starts to sink in what God is doing

[21:30] <IMBPatricia> neglected?

[21:30] <BobWestbrook> neglected by most

[21:30] <BobWestbrook> you know, the "white pages"

[21:30] <IMBPatricia> ah...not me:-)

[21:30] <Bezalel3> 2neglected by the mainstream....

[21:30] <BobWestbrook> white because they aren't all marked up like the NT :)

[21:31] <Bezalel3> 2Well, between you and Derek Prince, my attention remains riveted on the "white pages" :-)

[21:31] <IMBPatricia> I have gone through 4 Bibles in 8 years...too many markings in both T's

[21:31] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:32] <BobWestbrook> It's so important, as you know, that we know ALL of the Bible, so we see the bigger picture, how it all fits together

[21:32] <IMBPatricia> yep

[21:32] <Bezalel3> 2Amen.....hallelujah

[21:33] <BobWestbrook> (Zechariah 10:9-10 NIV) Though I scatter them among the peoples, yet in distant lands they will remember me. They and their children will survive, and they will return. {10} I will bring them back from Egypt and gather them from Assyria. I will bring them to Gilead and Lebanon, and there will not be room enough for them.

[21:33] <BobWestbrook> Hope you don't mind that I keep sprinkling in Zechariah

[21:33] <BobWestbrook> :)

[21:33] <IMBPatricia> there is so much coming to pass from the OT these days

[21:33] <Bezalel3> 2Not at all, Bob.

[21:34] <BobWestbrook> As we've noted before, what is significant about this particular promise of return is the places specified

[21:34] <BobWestbrook> Gilead (in what is today Jordan) and Lebanon

[21:35] <BobWestbrook> Look at this next phrase:

[21:35] <BobWestbrook> Look at this next phrase:

[21:35] <BobWestbrook> They will pass through the sea of trouble;

[21:36] <BobWestbrook> Which leads me back to my original point, "The Message" paraphase of 11:1

[21:36] <IMBPatricia> hmmm.

[21:37] <BobWestbrook> "Open your borders to the immigrants, proud Lebanon. Your sentinel trees will burn"

[21:37] <BobWestbrook> (Zechariah 11:1-2 NIV) Open your doors, O Lebanon, so that fire may devour your cedars! {2} Wail, O pine tree, for the cedar has fallen; the stately trees are ruined! Wail, oaks of Bashan; the dense forest has been cut down!

[21:37] <BobWestbrook> So here's my take on all that

[21:38] <BobWestbrook> And it's highly speculative:

[21:39] <BobWestbrook> If and when Hezbollah unleashes WMD missiles, Israel will be forced to use tactical nuclear devices, and the "fire will devour" Hezbollah in South Lebanon, opening the post-war gates to new immigration of Jews into the newly expanded borders

[21:40] <Bezalel3> 2Those SLA Christian converts may be there also, Bob.

[21:41] <BobWestbrook> Yes, Bez, sadly, as in many wars, "innocent" people suffer due to the grievous acts of tyrants

[21:42] <BobWestbrook> If I lived anywhere near a Hamas, Hezbollah, or any other kind of anti-Israel stronghold, I would leave now

[21:42] <Bezalel3> 2Actually, I was speculating that Stan was talking about SLA souls being saved, after they came to Israel. So they may lead the immigration into Lebanon.

[21:42] <BobWestbrook> Very good point!

[21:43] <Bezalel3> 2And Christian and Jew, side-by-side, marching into Lebanon sounds good to me.

[21:43] <BobWestbrook> sure does!

[21:43] <BobWestbrook> Actually, I've got my eye on property on the East Bank :)

[21:44] <Bezalel3> 2There are sooooo many signs of prophesy fulfilled....God is so great and good....

[21:44] <BobWestbrook> Somewhere near Succoth perhaps - think the Israeli government will be favorable to a land grant? LOL

[21:44] <Bezalel3> 2I'll settle anywhere in the Lord's Holy Land....

[21:44] <BobWestbrook> Still with us, Patricia?

[21:45] <IMBPatricia> I want a view of the Sea of Galillee

[21:45] <IMBPatricia> :-)

[21:45] <BobWestbrook> ahhh :)

[21:45] <IMBPatricia> nice patio area with trees

[21:45] <Bezalel3> 2Actually, Beirut might even be nice, once it's cleaned up.

[21:45] <IMBPatricia> sorry...I just was expressing

[21:46] <BobWestbrook> Yes, they say Lebanon is beautiful

[21:46] <BobWestbrook> Or was anyway till Arafat triggered the civil war there

[21:46] <Bezalel3> 2Other than the shell holes in the buildings, it looked like a nice city when I was off the coast in 1983.

[21:47] <IMBPatricia> well...let's knock those buildings down and start over, Bez

[21:47] <Bezalel3> 2The amazing thing was, the ferris wheel on the beach was going the entire time.

[21:48] <IMBPatricia> I say let love be a bulldozer against the remnants of hate

[21:48] <BobWestbrook> Did you ever go ashore?

[21:48] <Bezalel3> 2Amen, Patricia.

[21:48] <Bezalel3> 2No, Bob. Spent 7 months off the beach about 2-3 miles....

[21:49] <BobWestbrook> speaking of a view of the Sea of Galilee....

[21:49] <IMBPatricia> yes???

[21:49] <Bezalel3> 2And Israel was the only country that would allow a port call after we lobbed 16" shells on Syrian positions.

[21:49] <BobWestbrook> I have this really really cool geographic mapping software

[21:50] <IMBPatricia> not surprised Bez

[21:50] <IMBPatricia> Bob, how do I get ahold of it?

[21:50] <BobWestbrook> first I'll show you a screen shot from it - hold on just a sec

[21:51] <IMBPatricia> ok

[21:51] <BobWestbrook> this will take just a minute - keep talking :)

[21:51] <IMBPatricia> oh, ok...we can sing, Bez

[21:51] <IMBPatricia> LOL

[21:52] <IMBPatricia> or we can laugh a chorus or two

[21:52] <Bezalel3> 2Not me.....no one would want that...:-)

[21:52] <IMBPatricia> Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

[21:52] <IMBPatricia> HA ha ha ha

[21:52] <IMBPatricia> new song...I only know the words

[21:52] <IMBPatricia> LOL

[21:52] <IMBPatricia> ;-)

[21:53] <Bezalel3> 2I may not sing well, but my feet get going during some songs...

[21:53] <IMBPatricia> Bez? Are you lip-syncing?

[21:53] <Bezalel3> 2No, miming...

[21:54] <IMBPatricia> HA!!!!!!!!!!

[21:54] <IMBPatricia> Teach me please!

[21:54] <IMBPatricia> LOL

[21:54] <IMBPatricia> your feet and my mouth...what a team!

[21:54] <BobWestbrook> ok, done

[21:54] <BobWestbrook> http://www.trumpetsounds.com/terra.jpg

[21:54] <IMBPatricia> Whew...thanks Bob

[21:55] <BobWestbrook> What's really nifty about this software is.....

[21:55] <Bezalel3> 2Wow, Bob. that came up quick...

[21:55] <BobWestbrook> it's a detailed geographic database of Israel, and you can go anywhere, at any direction, any elevation

[21:55] <BobWestbrook> that's looking south

[21:55] <BobWestbrook> from the top of Lake Kinneret (Sea of Galilee)

[21:56] <BobWestbrook> See the Dead Sea in the distance?

[21:56] <BobWestbrook> It's my all time favorite toy :)

[21:57] <Bezalel3> 2That's neat....(afraid I'm dating myself)

[21:57] <BobWestbrook> The software is called Terra Explorer

[21:57] <BobWestbrook> v 2.06 from www.skylinesoft.com

[21:58] <BobWestbrook> and the Israel geographic database is from...

[21:58] <IMBPatricia> Ohhhhh...Thanks Bob...er Bez, aren't we all over 40 here?

[21:58] <Bezalel3> 2Ahem, yup, Patricia.....

[21:58] <IMBPatricia> ok, just checking

[21:58] <BobWestbrook> Rohr Productions

[21:59] <IMBPatricia> I will be exploring this is more dtail tomorrow Bob...this is beautiful

[21:59] <BobWestbrook> What's great is you can go to any elevation, any direction

[21:59] <IMBPatricia> amazing

[22:00] <BobWestbrook> you can fly over Shechem at 2000 feet or Haifa at 50,000 feet

[22:00] <BobWestbrook> let me find more info about Rohr, hold on

[22:00] <IMBPatricia> ok

[22:01] <Bezalel3> 2I was telling Bob that my newest grand kid is going to be a girl....

[22:01] <IMBPatricia> yeah?

[22:01] <Bezalel3> 2That's going to be nice after 2 grandsons.

[22:01] <BobWestbrook> they are from Cyprus, I'm looking for a website

[22:02] <IMBPatricia> ah...yes...when is the baby due?

[22:02] <IMBPatricia> ok, Bob...still here

[22:02] <Bezalel3> 2August...the tech said maybe 24th....my daughter's birthday (the mother-to-be) is on the 25th....

[22:03] <IMBPatricia> wonderful. Blessings!

[22:03] <Bezalel3> 2My wife and oldest daughter are already buying stuff to spoil her...

[22:03] <IMBPatricia> it our job as women to do such things:->

[22:04] <BobWestbrook> their email address as of 1999 was rohrprod@spidernet.com.cy

[22:04] <Bezalel3> 2Yes. But, I have to admit, I'm pretty happy to welcome a new girl.

[22:05] <IMBPatricia> thanks Bob.

[22:05] <IMBPatricia> I am fading you guys.

[22:05] <IMBPatricia> I better get some rest.

[22:05] <Bezalel3> 2I should probably call it a night, too, Bob....

[22:05] <IMBPatricia> It sure was FUN being here with you.

[22:06] <Bezalel3> 2These informal chats are fun sometimes...

[22:06] <IMBPatricia> Prayer is needed, and I want to be fresh and ready toorrow

[22:06] <BobWestbrook> Good to talk with you guys :)

[22:06] <IMBPatricia> yep..but I am starting to punch in the wrong keys...:-(

[22:06] <IMBPatricia> so, I better go.

[22:06] <BobWestbrook> Yes, get some rest now - feel better soon!

[22:07] <IMBPatricia> Good to talk to you to Bob...and you too Bez!

[22:07] <Bezalel3> 2Good night, you two...God's blessing on you both.

[22:07] <IMBPatricia> Thanks!

[22:07] <BobWestbrook> Night Bez - see ya next time! :)

[22:07] <IMBPatricia> Love and blessings!.

[22:07] <IMBPatricia> Goodnight

[22:07] <Bezalel3> 2Fer shur...

[22:07] <BobWestbrook> :)

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[22:08] <IMBPatricia> Shalom Jerusalem...we love and pray for you.

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[22:10] <BobWestbrook> Ahh, everyone's gone, but for those of you reading the log and interested in that atlas software derived from detailed satellite data, I found a place where you can get it:

[22:10] <BobWestbrook> http://brothers4him.com/gifts.htm

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