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[20:00] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob shalom

[20:01] <Ken-VHL> Hi Bob!

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Shalom! That's a nice sight, people waiting when I get here :)

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Hi Ken!

[20:01] <Ken-VHL> not at 60

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 6yes and I was glad to see the right sign post this time

[20:01] <Gloria-VHL> Hi Ken, Bob

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 6no thats for sure Ken

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> My wife and I have a new cat named Moses, and he is licking my hands and trying to help me type

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:02] <Ken-VHL> Gloria, a favorite name of mine!

[20:02] <Gran-VHL> 6I am hopeing my daughter Becky will be able to come in tonight

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Introduce us if she does, Gran!

[20:02] <Gran-VHL> 6but she usually has to study

[20:02] <Gran-VHL> 6Moses thats a good name

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> My wife Bo picked it :)

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 6my Misty just likes to get in my way so I can't type

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 6:)

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 6she must be jealous of the keyboard

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 6:(

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Uh huh, seems like it

[20:03] <Ken-VHL> Missed you all last week!

[20:03] <Gloria-VHL> ken a pretty special name to me thats my husband and sons name

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> She's not full grown and full of energy!

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Yes, we missed you too Ken!

[20:04] <Gran-VHL> 6oh a girl cat names Moses hummmmmm

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> Oh, it's a he, sorry

[20:04] <Ken-VHL> That's "yes" in Hebrew

[20:04] <Gran-VHL> 6oh OK

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> And he is on my chest and staring me in the face LOL

[20:04] <Gran-VHL> 6what is yes in Hebrew Ken

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> OK, this is not going to work well :)

[20:04] <Gloria-VHL> Does anyone know whats happening in Isreal

[20:04] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob do you usually lay down to type

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gloria, a lot has been happening..........

[20:05] <Ken-VHL> And everyone answers the phone with my name in Israel!

[20:05] <Gran-VHL> 6Ken is yes wow

[20:05] <Gran-VHL> 6thats good

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Regular mortar fire from Palestinians in Gaza

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Into both the Gaza Jewish settlements, and also into Israel proper, in the Negev

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6I just get so angry with the way the media seems to forget that the PA is the agresor there

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> The IDF went in once already into area A

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6and so goes the world

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6yes I read that and then left

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> but due to apparent US pressure quickly pulled back

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6due to US pressure?

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> though Sharon denies it was because of the US

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> yes, Gran

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[20:07] <Gran-VHL> 6Ohhhhhhhhhhhh makes me so mad

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Me too

[20:07] <Gran-VHL> 6they must protect themselves

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Bez!

[20:07] <Ken-VHL> Me too Gran!

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Exactly, Gran

[20:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Good evening all!

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> And not only that.....

[20:07] <Gran-VHL> 6I want to shake someone

[20:07] <Gran-VHL> 6hard a lot

[20:07] <Ken-VHL> Shalom Bez

[20:07] <Gloria-VHL> What is area A

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 6Bez my bud how are you

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Gran.

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 6shalom

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> the PA is only there because of temporary agreements that have been violated and are no longer in force

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> so Israel has every right to go in

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> as well as other reasons, of course

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Area A is....

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 6of course

[20:08] <Gloria-VHL> hi Bez

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Area that was handed over to the Palestinian Authority, where they have complete control

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Gloria

[20:09] <Gran-VHL> 6I hope they keep it split up into 3 parts

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Area B is area that was handed over but Israel still has security authority

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran

[20:09] <Gloria-VHL> oh ok

[20:09] <Gran-VHL> 6how large an area is Gaza Bob

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Perhaps we should look at some Gaza/Philistia prophecies tonight

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[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6Good idea

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Gran, you'll be happy to hear... that I made a nifty map

[20:10] <Gloria-VHL> yes lets

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Welcome Called Out!

[20:10] <Ken-VHL> Yes

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6better go get my bible

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Called

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6called out shalom

[20:10] <Ken-VHL> Shalom CO

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Just finished it today...

[20:10] <called_out-VHL> Hi there Bob and Friends :)

[20:10] <Gloria-VHL> hi called out

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 6OH BOB thats great

[20:11] <called_out-VHL> 10:)

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> It uses something called "Flash" with is a web browser plugin - most web browsers are already set up for it

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> the map I made is based on Psalm 60 which we have discussed

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> and probably also will tonight briefly because it talks of "Philistia" (Gaza)

[20:12] <Gran-VHL> 6I sure have been missing y'll got lightning zapped again

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> This is where the map is:

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> http://www.trumpetsounds.com/psalm60x.html

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[20:12] <Gran-VHL> 6so missed a couple of weeks

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Be patient, it takes a little while to load the "FLASH"

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Pie!

[20:12] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Pie :)

[20:12] <Gran-VHL> 6pie shalom

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> We've got a good crowd already tonight, huh Bez!

[20:13] <Gloria-VHL> I have missed you Gran

[20:13] <pie-VHL> 13hi bob how are you tonite?

[20:13] <Ken-VHL> shalom, pie

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> Last week it was just me and Bez and one other person, mostly!

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> I'm doing well, thanks!

[20:13] <pie-VHL> 13hi gran

[20:13] <Gloria-VHL> Hi Pie

[20:13] <Gran-VHL> 6I have missed all of you so much

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> Moses my crazy cat is very active here :0

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:13] <called_out-VHL> 10We missed you too Gran :)

[20:13] <Gran-VHL> 6spend most of my time alone so really miss out when my puter is down

[20:13] <pie-VHL> 13shalom ken how are you?

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> Yes, we missed you Gran!

[20:13] <Gran-VHL> 6missed my big mouth huh

[20:13] <called_out-VHL> 10brb

[20:14] <pie-VHL> 13hi gloria i know you are being bless tonite

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[20:14] <Ken-VHL> Nice choice of color, pie I am tired

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 6it is great to be missed y'll

[20:14] <Gloria-VHL> Yes I am pie

[20:14] <pie-VHL> 13thanks ken my one of my favorite

[20:14] <pie-VHL> 13that's great gloria

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 6same color family pie

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Lord Jesus, we love you and worship you, and ask your blessing on our chat tonight

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> May your name be glorified

[20:15] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Lord

[20:15] <pie-VHL> 13yesLORD

[20:15] <Ken-VHL> Thank you Father for bringing us together

[20:15] <Gran-VHL> 6we give you praise and glory oh Lord

[20:15] <pie-VHL> 13AMEN

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6we ask for peace and protection for Israel

[20:16] <Gloria-VHL> and may we learn from your Word we praise you Lord

[20:16] <pie-VHL> 13yes LORD

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lord, and open their eyes to YOU!

[20:16] <pie-VHL> 13yes

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6yes lord many souls Father

[20:16] <Ken-VHL> Amen!

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> OK, we'll start with Gaza/Philistia prophecies

[20:17] <Gran-VHL> 6I pray for the peace of Jerusalem Lord

[20:17] <Gran-VHL> 6amen

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Amen! :)

[20:17] <pie-VHL> 13AMEN

[20:17] <Gloria-VHL> may your peace and protection be with your chosenpeople and land

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Let's go to Isaiah 11 first

[20:17] <Gran-VHL> 6got it

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Do you all know where Gaza is?

[20:18] <Ken-VHL> yes

[20:18] <pie-VHL> 13YES

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> It's on the Mediteranean coast, southern part

[20:18] <pie-VHL> 13NO I DON;T SORRY

[20:18] <pie-VHL> 13ok

[20:18] <Gran-VHL> 6no heard of the Gaza strip

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> It was called "Philistia" at times in the Bible

[20:18] <Gloria-VHL> Praise you Almighty Father

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Because it was where the five Philistine cities were located

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Gaza, Ekron, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gath

[20:19] <Gran-VHL> 6ok see it in my bible map

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Some of those were outside of what we call the Gaza Strip, but in the same region

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Gath is where Goliath was from "the Gittite"

[20:20] <Gran-VHL> 6gosh this shows modern day occupation my Israel and it is so tiny

[20:20] <Gran-VHL> 6Gath not on this one

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Isaiah 11 starts out with some WONDERFUL messianic prophecies...

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> then in v 11....

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> It speaks of the modern day regathering of Israel:

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> (Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV) In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. {12} He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth.

[20:21] <Ken-VHL> v:11 \0/

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> The gathering of Jews from many Arab lands, and from around the earth

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> back to the land

[20:22] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[20:22] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob what are the islands

[20:22] <Gloria-VHL> Praise God

[20:22] <Gran-VHL> 6mentioned here

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Gran, "islands of the sea" is a common Biblical way to say "from the far ends of the earth"

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 6OK

[20:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Isaiah, the one with 20-20 Foresight!

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> yupper!

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> and next:

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> (Isaiah 11:13 NIV) Ephraim's jealousy will vanish, and Judah's enemies will be cut off; Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah, nor Judah hostile toward Ephraim.

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 6yep

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> They will be unified into one nation again (remember at the time this was written they were split in two)

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> and now we get to the Gaza part:

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> (Isaiah 11:14 NIV) They will swoop down on the slopes of Philistia to the west; together they will plunder the people to the east. They will lay hands on Edom and Moab, and the Ammonites will be subject to them.

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> After these people are returned to the land....

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> they will be in conflict with Gaza (Philistia) and Jordan (Edom, Moab, Ammon)

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Notice the term "swoop down"

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[20:25] <Gran-VHL> 6the NKJ says fly down

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> the Gaza coastlands are low plains, rising up to the Judean foothills

[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6sounds good to me

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Yes, indeed!

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Sounds like military terminology to me

[20:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Eagles swoop down on there targets.

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[20:26] <Ken-VHL> :-)

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Right

[20:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 2their

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> We are going to see this "swooping" very soon

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> It's heating up

[20:27] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[20:27] <Ken-VHL> Near prophesy

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> And I've been thinking about and discussing the Jordan situation also in recent days.... something has to happen there to drastically change their disposition

[20:27] <Gloria-VHL> any day now

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> I would not be surprised to see some kind of Palestinian coup in Jordan

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[20:28] <VCI-Bob> That has been one of the PLO's stated goals for many years now

[20:28] <Ken-VHL> You have a good sense for it, Bob.

[20:28] <pie-VHL> 13sorry i was bumpoff

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> That the majority Palestinian population their would rise up, depose the Hashemites, and join forces with the PLO

[20:29] <pie-VHL> 13who are the hashenmites

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> The Hashemites are the Husseini royal family in Jordan

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> King Abdullah, his late father, etc

[20:29] <pie-VHL> 13oh thanks

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Direct descendants of Mohammed

[20:30] <pie-VHL> 13oh

[20:30] <pie-VHL> 13oh my

[20:30] <Gloria-VHL> oh really

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> I was at their website the other day - they have a huge family tree tracing it all the way back to him

[20:30] <called_out-VHL> 10:-(

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[20:31] <Gran-VHL> 6oh dear

[20:31] <called_out-VHL> 10hang in there pie

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> 6something else I didn't know

[20:32] <Gloria-VHL> Bob do you know the website address

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> 6Mohammed huh then it looks like he would have accended from Jordon

[20:32] <Ken-VHL> Haile Selasie of Ethiopia traced his to Solomon. Or tried to convince some of that.

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> hold on gloria, let me see

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Ken and from what I have read over the years may be good reason for him to

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> here it is: http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/hashemites.html

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Ken, through the Queen of Sheba I believe

[20:33] <Gloria-VHL> Thank you this is very interesting

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> you're welcome :)

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> 6thanks Bob

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> OK, on to the next Bible prophecy, Psalm 60

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> The subject of the map mentioned earlier

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> Without going into detail on all of it:

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 60:6-8 NIV) God has spoken from his sanctuary: "In triumph I will parcel out Shechem and measure off the Valley of Succoth. {7} Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim is my helmet, Judah my scepter. {8} Moab is my washbasin, upon Edom I toss my sandal; over Philistia I shout in triumph."

[20:35] <Ken-VHL> there!

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> The last phrase is concerning Gaza

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> This brings back memories of our memorable "washbasin/sandal" chat :)

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[20:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[20:36] <called_out-VHL> 10That's amazing

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Joe, to Bible Prophecy chat!

[20:36] <Ken-VHL> I missed that one

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 6Joe shalom

[20:36] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Joe :)

[20:36] <Ken-VHL> Shalom, Joe

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 6I did too Bob

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 6can you refresh please

[20:37] <Joe-VHL> Hello everyone

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> In those verses, God is reasserting His ownership of specific pieces of land

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> very relevant to today

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 60:6-8 NIV) God has spoken from his sanctuary: "In triumph I will parcel out Shechem and measure off the Valley of Succoth. {7} Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim is my helmet, Judah my scepter. {8} Moab is my washbasin, upon Edom I toss my sandal; over Philistia I shout in triumph."

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 6yes HE sure is

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> See the map for clarification... but ...

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Shechem is modern day Nablus

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> The largest Palestinian city

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> cite of Joseph's tomb which was trashed in October

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> Valley of Succoth is the Jordan Valley

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> Gilead is a large region on the EAST bank of the Jordan

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> Manasseh is both on the east and west banks

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> etc :)

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> All will be involved in the next war, in my opinion

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> And over Gaza - God shouts in triumph!

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Everyone is silent...... :)

[20:40] <Ken-VHL> we value your opinion

[20:40] <Gloria-VHL> LEARNING

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Here's the map once again

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> http://www.trumpetsounds.com/psalm60x.html

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[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Pie's back! Poor pie!

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Getting tossed out?

[20:41] <called_out-VHL> 10hold tight pie

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob we are trying to let it all soak in

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 6nothing to say exect golly

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> "Judah is my scepter

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> "

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> is also a Messianic prophecy

[20:41] <pie-VHL> 13yes poor pie the enemie trying all he could to keep me from learning the truth but wi still the vivtory

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> can anyone explain what it means?

[20:42] <called_out-VHL> 10Not me.

[20:42] <pie-VHL> 13i'm trying calledout

[20:42] <Ken-VHL> Prayers for you, PIE

[20:42] <called_out-VHL> 10or is it not I

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> What was a scepter?

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 6it is like a tall wand

[20:42] <pie-VHL> 13please ken

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 6for want of a better word

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> Used to signify what?

[20:42] <Ken-VHL> Sign of power

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 6the King can touch one with it

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 6to off with his head

[20:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Is it a reference to Jerusalem being the point from which it will be sent into the world, the Word, the Lord's sign of power?

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 6or annoint

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Right- power, authority, royal power

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 6yes JESUS reighns

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Yes :)

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Jesus was, of course, from the tribe of Judah

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 6and Jesus is Judah scepter

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 6septer

[20:43] <pie-VHL> 13that what the king had when queen esther wanted to talk

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> GOD's scepter!

[20:44] <Gloria-VHL> King of KINGS

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 6yes pie

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Who has God's authority but God alone?

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> and His Son, Lion of Judah :)

[20:44] <Ken-VHL> His SON

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> right :)

[20:44] <pie-VHL> 13wow

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Right pie, good example

[20:45] <pie-VHL> 13thanks bob give it to GOD

[20:45] <pie-VHL> 13the enemie was trying to keep me from learning the truth

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Amazing what you can learn from a little phrase, huh! Glory to God! :)

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob and WOW

[20:45] <pie-VHL> 13all the GLORY goes to GOD

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> And Judah also refers to a region in what is today called "the West Bank"

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 6amen

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 60:7 NIV) Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim is my helmet, Judah my scepter.

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> Of which God says, the are MINE MINE MINE!!!

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> And he will "parcel them out" (v 6) as HE WISHES!

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> as we will soon see :)

[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 6amen

[20:47] <Ken-VHL> Amen!

[20:47] <Gloria-VHL> Amen

[20:47] <pie-VHL> 13wow this is A BLESS teaching !!!!!!!

[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 6amen again

[20:47] <Gloria-VHL> Amen

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> The next place we will look...

[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 6who says you can't get blessed on the net

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> is another Psalm that I think is speaking of the upcoming war

[20:48] <Gran-VHL> 6if you go to the right place that is

[20:48] <pie-VHL> 13to all GOD children:-)

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> which we may have touched on before - it also mentions Philistia/Gaza

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Thank you Lord! :)

[20:48] <Ken-VHL> yes, Bob,

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Psalm 83

[20:48] <pie-VHL> 13ok

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 6got it

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> The first few verses are very revealing - doesn't take much to link them to today's Arab attitudes:

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 83:1-5 NIV) O God, do not keep silent; be not quiet, O God, be not still. {2} See how your enemies are astir, how your foes rear their heads. {3} With cunning they conspire against your people; they plot against those you cherish. {4} "Come," they say, "let us destroy them as a nation, that the name of Israel be remembered no more." {5} With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you--

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> v 4 especially

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> The theme of the Arab League

[20:50] <called_out-VHL> 10like reading today's news

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> And then the alliance is described in detail:

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 83:5-8 NIV) With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you-- {6} the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites, {7} Gebal, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre. {8} Even Assyria has joined them to lend strength to the descendants of Lot. Selah

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> I know what the next question is :)

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> Who are these people today, right?

[20:51] <called_out-VHL> 10right

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> 6thats Moab and Edom isn't it Bob

[20:51] <Gloria-VHL> yes

[20:51] <pie-VHL> 13right

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 6descendants of Lot

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Moab and Ammon were Lot's sons

[20:52] <called_out-VHL> 10decendants of Ishmael

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 6oh ammon

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 6the insessious relationship with Lots daughters

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Moab, Amon, and Edom regions correspond to modern day Jordan

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 6oh yeah

[20:53] <Ken-VHL> 83:18 wow:-) I could not help but jump ahead!

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[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Welcome seeker!

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 83:18 NIV) Let them know that you, whose name is the LORD-- that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 6amen Ken

[20:54] <Ken-VHL> shalom, seeker

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Good verse to jump ahead to :)

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 6seeker shalom

[20:54] <Seeker-VHL> 4Hello to all. It was a great day in Nebraska today

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 6yes amen

[20:54] <pie-VHL> 13hi seeker how are you tonite?

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> But we will go back to the names as well

[20:54] <pie-VHL> 13ok

[20:55] <called_out-VHL> 10Verse 18, the reason the world and all human kind exists...for God's glory.

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Yes, indeed!

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 6yes called

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> And I would daresay, the emphasis for all end time prophecy

[20:56] <pie-VHL> 13good teaching i must say

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> To show the earth, and Israel, who is God!

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 6amen

[20:56] <Gloria-VHL> amen

[20:56] <pie-VHL> 13AMEN

[20:56] <called_out-VHL> 10amen :)

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 6GOD is great and worthy of our Praises

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> This particular alliance has apparently never been assembled historically against Israel

[20:57] <pie-VHL> 13all the time

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> meaning, it is yet future

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> and maybe not too far future at all

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 6yes pie

[20:57] <called_out-VHL> 10yes

[20:57] <Ken-VHL> Joe, What is on your mind?

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob so it would seem

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> we are in Psalm 83, by the way

[20:58] <pie-VHL> 13hi joe did't see you pop in

[20:58] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Joe

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> We see "Philistia" in the mix

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> in v seven

[20:58] <Joe-VHL> trying to keep my daughter busy watching TV so I can stay on the computer!

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Which is Gaza

[20:58] <Gloria-VHL> Hi Joe

[20:58] <pie-VHL> 13what 's going on in israel now

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> and "the people of Tyre" - in Lebanon

[20:59] <called_out-VHL> 10brb

[20:59] <Joe-VHL> I came into the chat late and have just been following the conversation.

[20:59] <pie-VHL> 13ok calles hurry back

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> significantly, there are large "refugee camps" near Tyre where Palestinian terrorists are training and planning assaults on Israel

[20:59] <Ken-VHL> Glad you are here,joe

[20:59] <Joe-VHL> thanks!

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Ammon is easy - does "Amman" ring a bell?

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Modern day capital of Jordan

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 6see it on bible map

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[21:00] <VCI-Bob> the "tents of Edom" is probably referring to the Palestinians, specifically the refugee camps

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[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Hello, Rich!

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[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6rich shalom

[21:01] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Bob

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> And look at this!

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 83:8 NIV) Even Assyria has joined them to lend strength to the descendants of Lot. Selah

[21:01] <Joe-VHL> Hi Rich

[21:01] <pie-VHL> 13hi rich welcome

[21:01] <Ken-VHL> Shalom Rich....."tents"

[21:01] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Gran Bez

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> When we see "Selah" it apparently means "stop and think about it" right?

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6yes I saw that interesting

[21:01] <Bezalel-VHL> Hi Rich.

[21:01] <Rich-VHL> 7pie Gloria

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Assyria = Iraq

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6ys Bob

[21:01] <Rich-VHL> 7joe ken

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Even Iraq

[21:01] <Rich-VHL> 7hello seeker

[21:02] <Gloria-VHL> Hi Rich

[21:02] <Seeker-VHL> 4Hi rich Good to see ya again

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> Even Iraq has joined in to lend strength to Jordan!

[21:02] <Rich-VHL> 7yes it is for me too seeker

[21:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Does Syria come into it through their support of terrorists in Lebanon?

[21:03] <Ken-VHL> tents are are not permanent structures, right?

[21:03] <Seeker-VHL> 4Rich we are in Psalm 83 but I haven't caught up yet

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> Right, Ken

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> exactly

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> Good question, Bez - not sure if it's referred to in this one, though certainly in lots of other places

[21:04] <Rich-VHL> 7thanks seeker I don't know if I can catch up either

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Lebanon is for all practical purposes not an independent nation, but controlled by Syria

[21:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Also, isn't modern Syria part of the Assyrian empire?

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> 6bob my map does not show Iran or Iraq where are they in relation to Jordon

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Not necessarily, Bez, though at times perhaps the extension of it

[21:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Ok, thanks.

[21:05] <Gran-VHL> 6I know Iran used to be Persia but it is not here either

[21:05] <Rich-VHL> 7just to the east of there Gran

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Wish I had a good map that we could all see

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 6yeah figures just whree it is cut off

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> If you hold on for a minute I can upload one

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 6I am going to get a bible map book finally found one in CBD catalog

[21:06] <Seeker-VHL> 4He's got all the bells & whistles

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 6yeah seeker sure wish I did

[21:07] <Ken-VHL> me too

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 6hey seeker keep on keeping on in forum

[21:07] <Rich-VHL> 7does anyone know what is happening in Israel tonight

[21:07] <Rich-VHL> 7I haven't heard any news

[21:07] <pie-VHL> 13that my ? also

[21:07] <Seeker-VHL> 4I probably will Gran But I feel so dumb most of the time

[21:08] <Gran-VHL> 6not me the same news was on as this morning

[21:08] <Gran-VHL> 6dumb not seeker

[21:08] <Gran-VHL> 6just sometimes we need to back off a little

[21:08] <Gran-VHL> 6I just can't stand the heat sometimes and stay away

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> ok found one, just a sec

[21:08] <Rich-VHL> 7now seeker your not dumb

[21:09] <Seeker-VHL> 4:-):-):-)

[21:09] <Gran-VHL> 6we love you bro

[21:09] <Gran-VHL> 6hang in there

[21:09] <Seeker-VHL> 4and I luv you guys back

[21:09] <Gran-VHL> 6as Delta would say (group hug)

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 6hey I forgot to offer you guys popcorn

[21:10] <Rich-VHL> 7the world would rather hate than love

[21:10] <Seeker-VHL> 4I think see is such a great person

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 6sorry ate most of it

[21:10] <Ken-VHL> Where is DELTA?

[21:10] <Seeker-VHL> 4she not see

[21:11] <Seeker-VHL> 4???

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 6havene't seen her for a while except on forum

[21:11] <Rich-VHL> 7oh well Gran you'd have had to fax it anyway

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 6hey seeker we all hit the wrong keys

[21:11] <Seeker-VHL> 4Computer problems maybe?

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 6yeah well don't have a fax sorry guys

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 6it was good

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[21:11] <Rich-VHL> 7thats what I thought Gran

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 6seeker she and I both had puter probs but not now

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 6she is just busy I guess

[21:12] <pie-VHL> 13where is bob?

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 6bob is doing a map thing for us

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Hi there Hope!

[21:12] <Ken-VHL> uploading

[21:12] <Seeker-VHL> 4What does she do anyway?

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> OK, got the map!!

[21:12] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Hi Bob! :)

[21:12] <Rich-VHL> 7trying to upload a map pie

[21:12] <pie-VHL> 13oh cool

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 6hope shalom

[21:12] <pie-VHL> 13coollllll

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> http://www.trumpetsounds.com/memap1.jpg

[21:12] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Hi everyone! ;0

[21:12] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3;)

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> not the greatest, but hope it helps

[21:12] <pie-VHL> 13thanks rich

[21:13] <Ken-VHL> Shalom, Hope-Elena

[21:13] <Rich-VHL> 7hello hope elana

[21:13] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3:)

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> 6bob if I go there I will lose VHL

[21:13] <pie-VHL> 13hi hope

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Good to see you again Elana!

[21:13] <Seeker-VHL> 4Hi Hope

[21:13] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3what is this map?

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Nah you want

[21:13] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3thanks!

[21:13] <Gloria-VHL> I have to go God Bless you all I love you all I sure have been blessed tonight

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> 6god bless Gloria

[21:13] <Gloria-VHL> Good night all

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> We were looking at Psalm 83 and some were asking where Iraq and Iran are in relation to Israel

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[21:13] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless you too Gloria

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Night Gloria!

[21:14] <Seeker-VHL> 4Goodbye Gloria---MMM. My mothers name

[21:14] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Oh

[21:14] <pie-VHL> 13GOD bless gloria

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Everyone see the map ok?

[21:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 6I will give it a try but my screen is so small

[21:14] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3I've already memorized the countries over there...:)

[21:14] <pie-VHL> 13how can i get to the map

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Israel is the little sliver you can barely see

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> http://www.trumpetsounds.com/memap1.jpg

[21:14] <Rich-VHL> 7I missed it Bob

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 6only have about 8 inches to see you all in

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> click on that

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> oh dear Gran!

[21:15] <Ken-VHL> that is great, bob.

[21:15] <Seeker-VHL> 4Took a while to pop up but there it is

[21:15] <Gran-VHL> 6here goes if I leave you will know why

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> use Alt/Tab to switch back and forth :)

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> hold alt down and hit tab

[21:16] <Ken-VHL> this puter has bells and whistles too!

[21:16] <Rich-VHL> 7thats an old map huh Bobv

[21:16] <pie-VHL> 13wow i saw it thansk bob

[21:16] <Rich-VHL> 7Bob

[21:16] <Seeker-VHL> 4He,He

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> is outdated Rich?

[21:16] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Is Psalm 83 relating to end times?

[21:16] <Ken-VHL> Just needed Bob to make it work!!!

[21:16] <Seeker-VHL> 4Flash Gordon Uh Bob?

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I think it is, Elana

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> Probably describes the next war

[21:17] <Rich-VHL> 7its a good map though

[21:17] <pie-VHL> 13i was crazy about the show seeker

[21:17] <Ken-VHL> End that close!!!

[21:17] <Gran-VHL> 6good map Bob but where is tiny Israel way up there by Lebinone huh

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 6Iran is hugh so is Arabia and they want tiny Israel sheesh

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Israel is at the eastern end of the Med. Sea

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> below Lebanon

[21:18] <Seeker-VHL> 4Notic the peace sign on the map?

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 6yeah figured

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 6peace sign??

[21:18] <Seeker-VHL> 4Or the victory sign

[21:18] <Rich-VHL> 7isn't that something Gran the whole arab world wants tiny Israel

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> actually, this is a historical map showing the colonial control over various areas earlier in the 20th century

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 6yeah and when all the Palastinians left Israel begged them to stay

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 6then Arabia wouldn't give them a country the big pigs

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 6so now they claim Isreal as home base

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 6disgusting

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> that's why it's called "Mandate of Palestine' - before the League of Nations/UN carved it up and took away areas that they had designated for the Jews

[21:20] <Rich-VHL> 7yeah Gran I guess it had to be that way huh

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 6yes rich I know

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 6I can';t help hating it tho

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 6but God knows my heart

[21:20] <Rich-VHL> 7me too Gran

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 6I just love Israel so much

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> the original Mandate had a huge portion of what is today Jordan also designated as part of the Jewish homeland

[21:21] <Rich-VHL> 7yes He does Gran

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> and guess what, they were right in the first place :)

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> as we will soon see :)

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> 6yes bob I have read several books about all the conflict over there

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> 6AMEN brother

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> The overall subject tonight, for the newcomers...

[21:22] <Ken-VHL> Go on, Bob!

[21:22] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen to that Bob

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 6I guess I need to tell y'll that I am Pentacostal so don';t be surprised at what I might come up with in my excitement

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> is an examination of Scriptures that refer to Gaza/Philistia

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> LOL Gran

[21:22] <Joe-VHL> Is anyone planning to visit israel soon?

[21:22] <Rich-VHL> 7thats good Gran

[21:22] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bob just got back, Joe.

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 6good it may be rich but very true

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> We all plan to go as soon as we can, Joe :)

[21:22] <Rich-VHL> 7wish I could Joe

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I got back on March 18

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 6also a Christian Zionist

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob I am still green

[21:23] <Rich-VHL> 7very good Gran

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 6amen Bro

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Keep praying, Gran!

[21:23] <pie-VHL> 13i am going in JESUS name

[21:23] <Ken-VHL> I hope to go back October 2001

[21:23] <Seeker-VHL> 4Oh no Gran not a Zionist Too:-)

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob as my grandchilren would say the map is way cool

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 6yes seeker one of those

[21:24] <pie-VHL> 13i pray for isreal everynite and when i get up in the morning

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 6hated by some as I read on forum

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> The remainder of Psalm 83....

[21:24] <Seeker-VHL> 4Yes Gran

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 6oops Bob I will be good and listen

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> is a prayer/prophetic look at the outcome of the war

[21:24] <pie-VHL> 13that ok gran the truth alw ays hurt

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> which is pretty brutal - I'll let you all examine that on your own

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Full of historical references

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> to times in the past when God did a job on Israel's enemies

[21:26] <Gran-VHL> 6Boy old Asaph didn't pull any punches did he?

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> And as Ken noted:

[21:26] <Gran-VHL> 6tell it like it is

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> right Gran :)

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> The goal is this: (Psalms 83:18 NIV) Let them know that you, whose name is the LORD-- that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> Amen! Let them know, Lord!

[21:26] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen

[21:26] <Gran-VHL> 6woopie wahooy y'll

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 6guess what God wins

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> Hallelujah!

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 6I read the end of the BOOK

[21:27] <Ken-VHL> :-)

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 6hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! \o'

[21:27] <Rich-VHL> 7Glory to God

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 6\o/

[21:27] <pie-VHL> 13GLORY TO GOD!!!!!!

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 6Such good news and the world doesn'[t want to hear it

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> Then next reference to Philistia....

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> 6so sad

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[21:28] <Rich-VHL> 7those nasty philistines

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> is without doubt in an endtimes prophecy - Joel 3

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> 6\o/

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> (Joel 3:4 NIV) 'Now what have you against me, O Tyre and Sidon and all you regions of Philistia? Are you repaying me for something I have done? If you are paying me back, I will swiftly and speedily return on your own heads what you have done.

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Tyre and Sidon, are in Lebanon, on the coast

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> and the site of some Palestinian refugee/terrorist training camps today

[21:29] <Gran-VHL> 6yes that I can see

[21:29] <Rich-VHL> 7sounds good to me

[21:29] <Gran-VHL> 6it is a modern map

[21:29] <Seeker-VHL> 4I didn't know that

[21:29] <pie-VHL> 13jack van impe said this last nite

[21:29] <Gran-VHL> 6shows the 67 and 73 lines

[21:29] <Seeker-VHL> 4This is all becoming so clear

[21:30] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Bob, I just heard Marv Rosenthal speak on Psalms 2...... a couple of weeks ago....."The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them..."

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 6hey y'll maybe we need to come against the satanic influence over there

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 6hope that is good also

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Elana! We discussed that Psalm last week as a matter of fact - one of the most important prophecies in the Bible

[21:31] <Gran-VHL> 6gosh I always miss the good stuff Bob

[21:31] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3I missed it! It was a very eye opening message!

[21:31] <Gran-VHL> 6not tonight tho

[21:31] <Seeker-VHL> 4I'd say if we missed one Thursday , we miss the good stuff

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> 6yes seeker

[21:32] <Ken-VHL> true!

[21:32] <pie-VHL> 13tell me about i love coming here on thursday

[21:32] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3I've missed alot!

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> 6Monday too seeker

[21:32] <pie-VHL> 13i learn alot

[21:32] <Seeker-VHL> 4Yes Yes Yes

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> 6I will be glad when Delta is up and running again

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Moses the cat is going beserk here and ripping around my computer like a madcat :)

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Pulling on wires, etc :)

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 6on tues with Heart of Israel

[21:33] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Bob, can I ask you something?

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Sure, Elana!

[21:33] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3thanks! Real quick :) what do you believe will be the "abomination of desolation"..... a person, a thing....I'm a little confused

[21:34] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3an explosion?

[21:34] <Seeker-VHL> 4There was a young boy in Sunday school who's teacher was telling of how Eve was formed by using one of Adam's ribs

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> Well, let's look at all the places it is mentioned

[21:35] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3OK

[21:35] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3;)

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> (Daniel 9:27 NASB) "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

[21:35] <Gran-VHL> 6good Bob

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> (Daniel 11:31 NASB) "And forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.

[21:35] <Seeker-VHL> 4when He got home and it was later in the day his mother saw him lying on the floor in pain.

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[21:35] <VCI-Bob> (Daniel 12:10-11 NASB) "Many will be purged, purified and refined; but the wicked will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand. {11} "And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> (Matthew 24:15-16 NIV) "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand-- {16} then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

[21:36] <Seeker-VHL> 4She asked him what was wrong, do you have a side ache?

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> (Mark 13:14 NASB) "But when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION standing where it should not be( let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

[21:36] <Seeker-VHL> 4He said yes ,he thought he was having a wife.

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[21:37] <Rich-VHL> 7LoL Seeeker thats a good one

[21:37] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3that was a cute one seeker

[21:37] <pie-VHL> 13:-)

[21:37] <Gran-VHL> 6LOL seeker I heard that one

[21:37] <Gran-VHL> 6pretty good smart kid

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> Now, this is a controversial topic, of course.... but it says...

[21:37] <Gran-VHL> 6shows he was listening to teacher

[21:37] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3ok Bob, give some feed back on those verses, please

[21:38] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3verse 11 of Daniel 12........what is that?

[21:38] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob is that the statue of the AC

[21:38] <Rich-VHL> 7I gotta get to bed friends see ya soon and God Bless Isreal and all of you

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> both "they will set it up" and "when you see it standing where it should not be"

[21:38] <Gran-VHL> 6god bless Rich

[21:38] <Seeker-VHL> 4Oh Rich You just got here

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Night, Rich! God bless!

[21:38] <Ken-VHL> Bob, She gave you a real tough one. May the Holy Spirit guide you .

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> It's something that is set up that desecrates the temple

[21:39] <Gran-VHL> 6seeker he worked 10 hours today

[21:39] <Ken-VHL> Goodnight Rich.

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 7see ya next monday night Seeker

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[21:39] <VCI-Bob> accompanied by a person who desecrates the temple

[21:39] <Seeker-VHL> 4OK Rich See ya Brother

[21:39] <Gran-VHL> 6the AC statue Bob I believe as well as the false prophet

[21:39] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Would this be a NEW temple that is built?

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> Yes, probably Gran

[21:40] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Hope

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> other translations of Dan 9:27

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> their place shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator."

[21:40] <Seeker-VHL> 4I miss your voice Bez are you there?

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Perhaps this:

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> (Revelation 13:14-15 NIV) Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. {15} He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

[21:40] <Gran-VHL> 6Bez is resting seeker

[21:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm here, Seeker. :-)

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Yes, apparently in a new temple

[21:41] <Gran-VHL> 6yes since there is not one now

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 NIV) Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. {4} He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Could be talking of the same thing

[21:42] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3OK.....

[21:42] <Seeker-VHL> 4What is the rebellion in your opinion

[21:42] <Gran-VHL> 6yes I belive so Bob

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> The rebellion is.....

[21:43] <Gran-VHL> 6rebellion is to rebell again authority

[21:43] <Gran-VHL> 6in one way or another

[21:43] <Seeker-VHL> 4Does the rebellion come right before the other?

[21:43] <Gran-VHL> 6kids rebell against parents and some against the police

[21:43] <Gran-VHL> 6but this is against God

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> When the "man of sin" - the ac, takes full authority, and declares himself as God, doing powerful miracles... the world world will gladly and eagerly follow him, in outright rebellion and hatred to God - that is "the rebellion"

[21:44] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> And it is one of the major factors that causes God to pour out His wrath on the entire world

[21:44] <Ken-VHL> right

[21:44] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3thanks Bob!

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> that, and the fact that this man will be killing millions of Christians, whose blood will cry out to God

[21:44] <Gran-VHL> 6yes sadly so

[21:45] <Seeker-VHL> 4But Bob It says the rebellion and the man of lawlessness is revealed

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> yes, Seeker?

[21:45] <Gran-VHL> 6woops Bob you will send us back to the pre trib camp

[21:45] <Seeker-VHL> 4Doesn't that mean first rebellion then a revealing

[21:45] <Gran-VHL> 6LOL

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:46] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3:)

[21:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Isn't he revealed when he appears at the Temple and declares that he has the power of God?

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Seeker, perhaps they will take place about about the same time...

[21:46] <Gran-VHL> 6yes I believe the time frame there is very close

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> this is also when Satan and his hordes are tossed down to earth, knowing their time is short

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> according to Rev 12

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez

[21:47] <pie-VHL> 13i do to believe that

[21:47] <Seeker-VHL> 4for sake of argument. timing can be far and in between though, Right?

[21:47] <Ken-VHL> I see why you stay away from timelines,Bob.

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Which in my mind gives some of answer to what the "restrainer" is in 2 Thess, a controversial topic

[21:48] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3:)

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Timing is the toughest to figure

[21:48] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3those are the best topics! :) just kidding!

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> because in many case we are not given much indication of timign

[21:48] <Ken-VHL> Be on guard always!

[21:48] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob you will be glad to know that I belive I have moved over

[21:48] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3AMEN Ken

[21:48] <Gran-VHL> 6to at least mid trib

[21:49] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Gran! :)

[21:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Good, Gran.

[21:49] <Gran-VHL> 6amazing how fear can get one

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it is

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> I hope any pre-trib folks here are not put-off :)

[21:49] <Gran-VHL> 6it is just common sense if one reads the scripture correctly

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> but ya got to call em as you see em :)

[21:49] <Gran-VHL> 6anyway I told you about that book I found

[21:50] <Seeker-VHL> 4Jesus said "When you see these things happening" and that means to me that we need the facts right before us for his blessing of truth to be upon us

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> yes

[21:50] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Amazing how the thought of persecution can really get one focused on just seeing His precious face!

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Right, Seeker, and Hope!

[21:50] <Ken-VHL> good, seeker

[21:50] <Seeker-VHL> 4before His blessing of truth can be upon us

[21:50] <Gran-VHL> 6well I alwsys just figured I would skip the whole thing and be gone by now never realized I would live so long

[21:51] <Ken-VHL> Me too Gran

[21:51] <Gran-VHL> 6I can see that I will have a battle with those that believe in the pre trib

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> And the "when you see these thing happening" was in reference to what Jesus had just been speaking about events in the trib, so it's kinda hard to see em happening if you've been raptured away beforehand :)

[21:51] <Seeker-VHL> 4amen to that

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Yes, but it should be a "nice" battle :)

[21:52] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3THAT's RIGHT Bob!

[21:52] <Gran-VHL> 6y'll know the only way to see the sun is to stand in the right place

[21:52] <Gran-VHL> 6and to open your eyes

[21:52] <Ken-VHL> GRAN!!!!!

[21:52] <Gran-VHL> 6to many are too set in what they have been taught to see the truth

[21:53] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3The picture doesn't look too pretty.....but the FINAL One does!

[21:53] <Seeker-VHL> 4I confess

[21:53] <Gran-VHL> 6gosh kids Gran is speaking what the Lord just said to me

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:53] <Gran-VHL> 6I never thought of that before

[21:53] <Gran-VHL> 6oh dear

[21:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-) Gran

[21:53] <Ken-VHL> A lot of warm and fuzzy ideas just don't make it!

[21:53] <Gran-VHL> 6pentacostal for sure

[21:53] <Gran-VHL> 6yyes Ken

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> Good stuff, Gran - illuminating :)

[21:54] <Gran-VHL> 6yes the sun (SON) will do that to you

[21:54] <Gran-VHL> 6Ken I thought you went to bed

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> (Malachi 4:1-2 NIV) "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them. {2} But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall.

[21:54] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Gran ;)

[21:54] <Gran-VHL> 6oh no that was Rich

[21:54] <Gran-VHL> 6old forget stuff

[21:55] <Ken-VHL> That was Rich. But I have to go soon!

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> Hey Gran, you're gonna "leap like a calf" soon :)

[21:56] <Gran-VHL> 6me too

[21:56] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3We will be screaming to the heavens " He's here!!!!" What a day that will be!!!!!!!

[21:56] <Gran-VHL> 6woopie wahooy Bob can't wait

[21:56] <Seeker-VHL> 4Ther is a verse for everything-----Do you suppose God knew we would be discussing this :-)

[21:56] <Ken-VHL> YES

[21:56] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3:) Seeker

[21:57] <Gran-VHL> 6oj course HE did seeker

[21:57] <Gran-VHL> 6and puts it in us to do HIS will

[21:57] <Gran-VHL> 6even on thurs nights

[21:57] <Gran-VHL> 6LOL

[21:57] <Seeker-VHL> 4What a Great and Marvelous God

[21:57] <Gran-VHL> 6yes amen bro

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> Amen!

[21:57] <Ken-VHL> Awesome

[21:57] <Gran-VHL> 6Ken 60 is not old try 70

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[21:57] <VCI-Bob> Praise our great and good God!

[21:58] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Can you all just see Him coming.....splitting the sky wide open, riding like a TRUE KING!!!! With the name King of Kings and Lord of Lords!!!!! Man, I can't wait!!!!!!

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[21:58] <Ken-VHL> Thanks Gran

[21:58] <Gran-VHL> 6still too many hours for you to work tho

[21:58] <Gran-VHL> 6Love you Bro

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> Hallelujah!

[21:58] <Seeker-VHL> 4I was reading some of the attributes of the Savior on the forums Really fun to read

[21:58] <Gran-VHL> 6do we need another (group hug)

[21:58] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3;)

[21:59] <Ken-VHL> I have to go now. Love You all!

[21:59] <Gran-VHL> 6yes HOpe thats a big for sure

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[21:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Ken.

[21:59] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3God bless you Ken

[21:59] <Seeker-VHL> 4((((((((hug)))))) as Delta would say

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Seeker, the forums have been hoppin lately! Great participation!

[21:59] <Seeker-VHL> 4night Ken

[21:59] <Gran-VHL> 6Seeker once i got started with that I had a hard time stopping

[21:59] <Ken-VHL> Thanks again , Bob. Special prayers for you!

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> My pleasure Ken! And I appreciate it greatly!

[22:00] <Seeker-VHL> 4He gave us a heart to worship Him

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[22:00] <Gran-VHL> 6bob would you close us in prayer my sitter downer has about had all it can take

[22:00] <Gran-VHL> 6as much as I do hate to leave such good company

[22:00] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3He did, Seeker! A heart that boils over!

[22:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm going to say good night also. Not feeling too great, so will go lie down......get ready for calf leaping. :-)

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Sure! Lord God, thank you for being with us! Your Word is sweet!

[22:01] <Gran-VHL> 6Bez:)

[22:01] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3:) Bez

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> May you soon perform the things you have said, Lord Jesus!

[22:01] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Lord

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> All praise to you who alone is worthy!

[22:01] <Gran-VHL> 6we do love you soooooo much Lord

[22:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Thank you, Lord. You are great and good.

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> And a special blessing to Gran! :)

[22:01] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3YES Lord!

[22:01] <Gran-VHL> 6we give you Praise

[22:01] <Gran-VHL> 6\o/

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[22:01] <VCI-Bob> Night, Bez! God bless you!

[22:02] <Seeker-VHL> 4God's Joy to all of you tonight---Bob, thanks for your dedication

[22:02] <Gran-VHL> 6God bless Bez

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> It is really my pleasure, Seeker :)

[22:02] <Gran-VHL> 6I love y'll so much but need to go for now see y'll Mon

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Bye Gran :)

[22:02] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Night, Gran

[22:02] <Gran-VHL> 6byeeeeeeeeeeeeee and thanks for the prayer Bob

[22:02] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3;)

[22:02] <Seeker-VHL> 4You do have a real talent from God

[22:02] <Seeker-VHL> 4Bye Gran

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[22:02] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Does everyone usually leave so early?

[22:03] <Gran-VHL> 6Seeker Gods gifts are many and He has gifted me with love also

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[22:03] <Seeker-VHL> 4Hi Deacon

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[22:03] <VCI-Bob> And it's all from Him! That's the good part - it doesn't depend on Bob at all, who is less than "good" - it's all Jesus!

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> usually 10 or 10:30

[22:03] <Seeker-VHL> 4I Know that to be true Gran

[22:03] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3it's still early!

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Here's a news item

[22:04] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Seeker, you have a subject to cover?

[22:04] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3go on Bob....

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> The European Union is likely to reassess relations with Israel in light of the escalating conflict with the Palestinians.

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> EU foreign ministers today said the recent Israeli attacks on a Syrian radar position in neighboring Lebanon were "excessive and disproportionate" and called for possible sanctions against Israel if the violence does not end.

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> From the J Post

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Officials said that several options are open to EU ministers, which could see anything from a tougher diplomatic line against the Israeli government of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, to a suspension of the new political and economic association and free trade agreement which came into force last June.

[22:04] <Seeker-VHL> 4Maybe Hope. but do you know what it is?

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> In a statement, the 15-nation bloc said it was "extremely concerned about the dangerous escalation of violence in the Middle East."

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> Israel's attack on the Syrian radar post drew criticism from Arab countries and prompted vague threats of retaliation from radical Palestinians and Islamic fundamentalists. Israel said the raid was in response to Saturday's attack by Lebanese Hizbullah fighters in the Shaba farms area that killed an Israeli soldier.

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> "The Israeli attack on Syrian objectives in Lebanon, the first in many years, as a retaliation for the Hizbullah attacks on the Shaba farms, was an excessive and disproportionate reply," the statement said.

[22:05] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3No.......go on

[22:05] <Seeker-VHL> 4Look at this folks We are actually living right in the midst of the end times

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> Yes, we are

[22:06] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3I agree Seeker! seems almost incredible to believe!

[22:06] <Seeker-VHL> 4Gooooose Bumps

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> From here on out, no lack of interesting developments

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> As we watch GOD at work!

[22:07] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3It's soooooo neat!!!!

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> You should take special note of the report Stan put on the front page about the recent rise of antisemitism

[22:07] <Seeker-VHL> 4I see friends who go about their day with seemingly no awareness of the times

[22:08] <Hope-Elena-VHL> 3Hey, it looks like the U.S. wasn't too happy with what Sharon did........I wonder if the U.S. will back Israel when they really need it?

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> When war breaks out, and gas prices rise wildly, and Israel is blamed, it will get much worse

[22:08] <Seeker-VHL> 4I say things to prompt their awareness but seems to slide right off

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> I don't think so, Elana

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[22:08] <Seeker-VHL> 4Because why Bob:-)

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> Because, if they put pressure on for such a slight incident, what will happen when things really get bad over there?

[22:09] <Hope-Elena-VHL754> 3You don't think the U.S. will help Israel?

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> No

[22:09] <Hope-Elena-VHL754> 3GEEEE, that means we'll be on the wrong side.....nationally that is! Scarey thought!

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> We don't appreciate yet how harshly the world will regard Israel for what is going to happen there soon

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> It's going to get very very bad

[22:10] <Seeker-VHL> 4Ok Bob, I mis understood you at first. I too believe that the US will cave in

[22:10] <Hope-Elena-VHL754> 3Do you think that the U.S. has anything to do with the "Eagle" in Revelation?

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> not really

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> could be, but I don't know

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> hmmm

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> What do I know anyway :) It could be

[22:11] <Hope-Elena-VHL754> 3Yeah, I don't really see that either.....but it would be nice to think that we were the "eagle" that comforts the jews

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> would be nice to think that

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> there is another prophecy that might indicate that in Isaiah perhaps

[22:12] <Seeker-VHL> 4I don't believe Israel will have any allies except you and me

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> Though I don't know

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> Isaiah 18

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Seeker

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> And we need to be ready for that

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> That's one of the things the church should really be considering now

[22:12] <Seeker-VHL> 4Ready in the same way as ready for Y2K

[22:12] <Seeker-VHL> 4:-)

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> how we can help the Jews when things get ugly after this war

[22:13] <Hope-Elena-VHL754> 3Most people are so stuck on this latest craze "Left Behind" that they don't even think they'll be around!

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> yeah

[22:13] <Hope-Elena-VHL754> 3It gets me soooo frustrated.........trying to make people open their eyes!!!!

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Well, Elana, for the last century or so, pre-trib has been the most widely held view among Bible believing Christians

[22:14] <Seeker-VHL> 4I believ the mmm well i"ll say it lie is going to take a heavy toll

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> thought it seems that more are starting to see otherwise after examining the Scriptures for themselves

[22:14] <Seeker-VHL> 4I used to believe it also but it was based on someone elses opinion

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> It often is, seeker

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Or based on a theological system that forces an interpretation on Scripture

[22:15] <Hope-Elena-VHL754> 3Yeah, I know, but most are sooooo cold......because if people REALLY believed that they could be taken at any moment....

[22:15] <Seeker-VHL> 4But when I started seeking the truth for myself it did not align with what I was taught

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> People get very defensive though when you speak of it

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> as you know :)

[22:16] <Seeker-VHL> 4Your not supposed to read my letters:-)

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:16] <Hope-Elena-VHL754> 3the attitude seems to be "well, I'm saved, and I'll be out of here!".........SAME thing happened to me Seeker!

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> Well, folks, I'd love to keep chatting, but my wife is home now, and I need to be with her :)

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> So, I'll bid you Good night! God bless!

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Elana, give Abe my best :)

[22:17] <Seeker-VHL> 4Yes you do and so do I . With my wife that is

[22:17] <Hope-Elena-VHL754> 3Good night Bob! Keep the fire burning!!!!!!

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Good to see you seeker!

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Shalom! :)

[22:17] <Seeker-VHL> 4good nite

[22:17] <Hope-Elena-VHL754> 3:) yeah, you guys go be with your better half!

[22:17] <Hope-Elena-VHL754> 3Good night Seeker! :)

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