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[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Hey there!

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> Good evening Sir Robert.

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[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Was starting to wonder if anyone would come in! :)

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Liz

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> No, not Liz, it's me on another PC, testing if access is OK :)

[20:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2My wife's sister was over, so she just left.

[20:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Okay, me is Bob.

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Yeah :)

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> How was your day?

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Same old stuff, or SSDD (same stuff, diferrent day)

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2different

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2both spellings look wrong...which is it.

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> uh huh :) But one of these days, we'll see Jesus, and it won't be some ole stuff anymore :)

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, sir.

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> I try to remember that often to keep the mundane from wearing me down

[20:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I visited Trumpet Sounds and was very much taken with your quote, Phil 6:12-13. Printed it out to share with my wife. She liked it too.

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> which quote is that?

[20:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. (Phil 4:12)

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> Oh, I see, the verse of the day :)

[20:13] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I can do everything through him who gives me strength. (Phil 4:13)

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> Yes, that changes every day, it comes from the verseoftheday.com website

[20:13] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes I mis-referenced. It was 4:12-13.

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> It seems that's one of the main lessons we are to learn in life

[20:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Something must have drawn to your site today, cause I was smacked between the eyes by the verse.

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> utter dependence on Him for EVERYTHING

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> and contentedness in the process :)

[20:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes. Excellent message.

[20:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2How is the granddaughter?

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> I realize more each day how little it depends on what I can do

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> She's doing great!

[20:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Grandkids are the best. Even when your daughter "cons" you into sitting with them.

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it'll be fun when she gets to the "playing" stage :)

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> how many do you have?

[20:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, enjoy between now and about 2. After that, they won't slow down long enough to enjoy.

[20:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I have two grandsons. They are 11 and 8 (5th and 3rd grade).

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> I wonder where everyone is?

[20:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hopefully, my son and his new bride will wait awhile to start a family.

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> why wait?:)

[20:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I was wondering the same thing. I didn't have any trouble getting in.

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> nor did I on the other machine

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[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Seeker!

[20:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Seeker!

[20:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Ignore me Seeker, they are a jerk....:-)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> How ya doin today?

[20:19] <Seeker-VHL> 4Hi y-all

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[20:19] <Seeker-VHL> 4I'm terrific bob

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Me is "me" on another machine, was just testing

[20:20] <Seeker-VHL> 4me oh my

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:21] <Seeker-VHL> 4What's todays topic

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Why do you think it is that people get so testy and personal when discussing prophecy and such?

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Well, today, I thought we would examine.....

[20:21] <Seeker-VHL> 4oh boy

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Messianic prophecies in the Psalms

[20:22] <Seeker-VHL> 4I wonder if sometimes I am thought of as one of those testy people

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[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Well, sometimes it's hard to keep the heat level down when people have differing opinions

[20:23] <Seeker-VHL> 4I see that the bulliten boards are not as occupied with thw subject much right now

[20:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Ignore Bez2....that's another split personality...

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Due to mostly human pride, I guess?

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[20:24] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:24] <Seeker-VHL> 4I know I am strong willed about some of the subject but mostly when I get a response that absolutely tries to throw my opinion out the window

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Well, all of our knowledge, especially on this subject, is very imperfect

[20:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The more I read in the Word, the more I believe human pride is the greatest sin, error, and evil.

[20:25] <Seeker-VHL> 4but I think I will give it a rest for now.

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[20:25] <Seeker-VHL> 4yes of course the first sin was that of pride

[20:25] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I have it easy, Seeker, since I know nothing, was raised with nothing, so can pretty much accept whatever comes to me.

[20:26] <freedom-VHL> hi

[20:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Freedom.

[20:26] <Seeker-VHL> 4hi freedom

[20:26] <freedom-VHL> how are you all

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Welcome Freedom

[20:26] <freedom-VHL> thank you

[20:26] <freedom-VHL> what are we talking about

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> People have deeply ingrained ideas on Bible prophecy, some of which are not really from the Bible at all

[20:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The rapture camps are the most ingrained, I have found.

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> uh huh

[20:28] <freedom-VHL> I 'm gonna check out the other rooms, first time here

[20:28] <freedom-VHL> bye

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> no one is in the other rooms :)

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[20:28] <VCI-Bob> too late :)

[20:28] <Seeker-VHL> 4How does one discuss something like the rapture if we all agree about it.

[20:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:) Seeker

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> In theory, we should be able to disagree amicably, huh? :)

[20:29] <Seeker-VHL> 4I mean, to me a good discussion involves first having differing ideas.

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> well, yes and no.... I mean, there is only one CORRECT position, the one the Lord intends

[20:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Especially since we are told numerous times that we aren't allowed to know the time.

[20:30] <Seeker-VHL> 4I do appreciate those you try to be the peacemakers.

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> and who knows, we may ALL have it wrong :)

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> They sure didn't see it coming the first time, huh! Or most everybody

[20:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Not MAY, but DO have it wrong.

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> hey, now, you're stepping on my pride! LOL

[20:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2;-)

[20:32] <Seeker-VHL> 4Ok , now to change the subject...

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> yes?

[20:33] <Seeker-VHL> 4when does passover take blace this year?:-p

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> it started last weekend

[20:34] <Seeker-VHL> 4Ok, so when Jesus died passover was on the day of his death?

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> let's look

[20:34] <Bezalel-VHL> 2He was in Jerusalem for Passover...

[20:35] <Seeker-VHL> 4Thus fullfilling three feast s in three days. Am I right?

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> (John 13:1 NIV) It was just before the Passover Feast. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them the full extent of his love.

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> (John 18:28 NIV) Then the Jews led Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness the Jews did not enter the palace; they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> (John 19:14-15 NIV) It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour. "Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews. {15} But they shouted, "Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!" "Shall I crucify your king?" Pilate asked. "We have no king but Caesar," the chief priests answered.

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> (John 19:31 NIV) Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> I'm done :)

[20:37] <Seeker-VHL> 4and the answer is?:-)

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> I'm not sure :)

[20:37] <Seeker-VHL> 4:-O

[20:38] <Seeker-VHL> 4the answer is yes.

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> What was the question? LOL

[20:39] <Seeker-VHL> 4passover,levened bread,firstfruits

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> Jewish holy days start at sunrise....

[20:39] <Seeker-VHL> 4oops...unleavened bread

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> sunset that is

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> So, I guess it was the next day that was Passover, beginning at sunset

[20:40] <Seeker-VHL> 4Christ was able to fullfill the prophecy of his death burial and resurrection in three consecutive days

[20:40] <Seeker-VHL> 4I believe you are right

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> There is some debate over whether it really was a Friday, or a Wednesday, but I don't have any specific info

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> and it's not all that important perhaps

[20:42] <Seeker-VHL> 4I hadn't heard that

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> The next day was a Sabbath....

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> but it might have been a "special Sabbath" and not the regular Saturday one, if I recall correctly

[20:42] <Seeker-VHL> 4I do know that three days in the tomb don't add up counting from Friday

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Fri Sat Sun, inclusive

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> I dunno :)

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Bez still there?

[20:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Listening...

[20:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 2learning...

[20:43] <Seeker-VHL> 4I'm done carrying on

[20:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 2and confusing...

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> OK, let's get to Prophecy

[20:44] <Seeker-VHL> 4ok

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Lord God, we ask your blessing - without you, we can do NOTHING

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> so teach us

[20:44] <Seeker-VHL> 4yes

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> and make us better disciples

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> And show us your future glory!

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Amen!

[20:45] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bless us with Your annointing. Send Your Spirit in our midst.

[20:45] <Seeker-VHL> 4amen

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Messianic prophecies in the Psalms

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> Psalms 110, 2, 45, and 72 come to mind, there are others

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> and if you have one you'd like to look at, we'll do that also!

[20:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'll trust you Bob.

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> Psalm 22 is the most famous crucifixtion Psalm

[20:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> I think I spelled that wrong :)

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Let's start with 110

[20:47] <Seeker-VHL> 4i'm here

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> This is quoted prominently in the NT

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 110:1 NIV) Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Jesus Himself quoted this to confound his opponents - do you recall?

[20:48] <Seeker-VHL> 4remind me

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> ok :)

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> (Luke 20:41-44 NIV) Then Jesus said to them, "How is it that they say the Christ is the Son of David? {42} David himself declares in the Book of Psalms: "'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand {43} until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."' {44} David calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?"

[20:49] <Seeker-VHL> 4yes I remember

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> First, look at the words used

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> YHVH says to Adonai

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> The Father, speaking to the Son

[20:50] <Seeker-VHL> 4the Lord says to my Lord

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Jesus proves to them both the divine nature, and the human nature, of Messiah

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> both the Son of David, and the "Lord"

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> They had no answer :)

[20:51] <Seeker-VHL> 4their eyes were fixed on their prominence

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> yeah

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 110:1 NIV) The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> So, Jesus is now at the right hand of the Father

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> sitting, waiting

[20:52] <Seeker-VHL> 4yes

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> until what?

[20:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The enemies are a footstool, or destroyed?

[20:52] <Seeker-VHL> 4uh for that Day???

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> yes

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> The writer of Hebrews also quotes it....

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> in response to some who were teaching that Jesus was an angel

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> (Hebrews 1:13 NIV) To which of the angels did God ever say, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet"?

[20:53] <Seeker-VHL> 4who are the troops---maybe getting ahead of you--sorry

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> And elaborates in the next chapter:

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> (Hebrews 2:7-8 NIV) You made him a little lower than the angels; you crowned him with glory and honor {8} and put everything under his feet." In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him.

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> We'll get to that :)

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Now, we don't see everything under His feet - evil still has free course in the world

[20:55] <Seeker-VHL> 4that is right

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> (Hebrews 2:9 NIV) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> He is crowned with glory and honor, sitting at the Father's right side, waiting......

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Now, here's an interesting point....

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> not to get into a pre-trib/post-trib debate... but.... if Jesus is sitting at the right hand, waiting UNTIL... that is He does not get up to return until all His enemies are under His feet....

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> that would lean towards a post-trib understanding

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> that was free, no extra charge :)

[20:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes...

[20:57] <Seeker-VHL> 4I know I know

[20:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That would even preclude the Pre-Wrath of Van Kampen.

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> true...

[20:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2But it could also be argued that not everyone will submit even after the Day of Wrath.

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> however, one could make a case for saying that when Jesus "gets up" its to hand out that wrath

[20:59] <Seeker-VHL> 4wrath seems to be such a confusing word for some

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> some prophecies might indicate that

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> yes, Seeker?

[21:00] <Seeker-VHL> 4How do you define wrath

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> It's confusing, I think, because everyone is so eager to label and compartmentalize

[21:00] <Seeker-VHL> 4ok :-)

[21:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And they don't want to believe they may experience some of it.

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Wrath is when the veins stick out of your neck and your face is bright red

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:00] <Seeker-VHL> 4hahahahahaha

[21:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2After the kids haven't listened for the last 4500 or so years.

[21:01] <Seeker-VHL> 4or my daughter

[21:01] <Seeker-VHL> 4 17 years old

[21:01] <Seeker-VHL> 4question?

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> oh, mine is 19 - may God give you grace to make it through the next 2 years :)

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> after which you will have some respite :)

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> yes?

[21:02] <Seeker-VHL> 4How do you guys feel about intercepting a letter from a guy 4years older

[21:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I don't know, my 27-year-old just conned me last night. I ended up going to a baseball game, but was gone for 4 1/2 hours.

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> hoo boy, that's a hot one

[21:03] <Seeker-VHL> 4we did today on purpose

[21:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Uh, Seeker, I was 23 and my wife 18 when we got married. (nearly 30 years ago)

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> I guess if you have good reason to believe that something foul is amiss

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> but be prepared for a lot of wrath

[21:03] <Seeker-VHL> 4well, We do

[21:04] <Seeker-VHL> 4It turns out he is trying to get her to move away with him

[21:04] <Seeker-VHL> 4I don't think she is interested

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> i don't know - it's a tough call - when they get to that age, they are going to do what they want, and unfortunately there is not much you can do but warn

[21:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I agree Bob.

[21:05] <Seeker-VHL> 4that's all we really try to do...no fights

[21:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Even my "crazy" son has finally settled down.

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> but certainly warn - paint the scenario of what will happen if they take that route

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> and let them choose

[21:06] <Seeker-VHL> 4your both right and thanks

[21:06] <Seeker-VHL> 4i'm done

[21:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Sometimes they can make what you believe is the worst decision, and it turns out great.

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> Should I strike this part from the log that we post?

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> for personal reasons?

[21:07] <Seeker-VHL> 4??

[21:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2My oldest daughter was only 17 when my oldest grandson was born. She is married to the father, the grandson is 11 and the second is 8. They are good parents.

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> For your privacy, I mean

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> Good, Bez! :)

[21:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And it surely wasn't any great guidance I gave them... :-)

[21:08] <Seeker-VHL> 4thanks bez

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> Back to Psalm 110 - the first three verses are a unit...

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 110:1-3 NIV) Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." {2} The LORD will extend your mighty scepter from Zion; you will rule in the midst of your enemies. {3} Your troops will be willing on your day of battle. Arrayed in holy majesty, from the womb of the dawn you will receive the dew of your youth.

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> All about the future Day of the Lord and subsequent victorious rule of Messiah

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> The scepter, is of course, the sign of King's authority

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> in this case, the Father is speaking to the Son

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> and bequething His full Authority to the Son to rule from Jerusalem

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> The troops, well, that's us :)

[21:10] <Seeker-VHL> 4alright!!

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> Willing on the day of battle - following our Lord

[21:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And we weren't drafted.

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> (Revelation 19:11 NIV) I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war.

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> ,,,,(Revelation 19:14 NIV) The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> Sure we were! Selected, hand-picked troops :)

[21:12] <Seeker-VHL> 4I am so unworthy

[21:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2But we sure volunteered. We weren't forced to serve.

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> true

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> We decided to sign up on the winning side :)

[21:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You betcha!

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Though He had us picked out beforehand :)

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> (another theological minefield to avoid) LOL

[21:13] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The age-old dilemma (or is it paradox), which came first the warrior or the saint.

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Seeker, I am also - very much

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> yeah gotta be a saint before you can be a warrior :)

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[21:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Lord is sooooooo goooood!!!!!!!

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Speaking of saints and warriors, here's Rich!

[21:14] <Seeker-VHL> 4we were predestined to live a righteous life through Christ

[21:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Rich, you warrior you.

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:14] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Bob me Seeker Bez

[21:15] <Seeker-VHL> 4Salute Rich

[21:15] <Seeker-VHL> 4bob is me

[21:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Ignore me, Rich. They haven't said anything all night.

[21:15] <Rich-VHL> 7well thanks Bez your one too you know

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> We are in Psalm 110

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> I am me. I am Bob. Bob is me.

[21:15] <Seeker-VHL> 4:->:->:-O:-*

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> hahahaha

[21:16] <Rich-VHL> 7OK then Bob I know me then huh

[21:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2At least you're not the walrus, Bobme

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:16] <Seeker-VHL> 4funnnnnny

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> In Psalm 110, we just did 1-3

[21:16] <Rich-VHL> 7keep going

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> and you'll see that the rest of the Psalm is in the same kind of topic, EXCEPT

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> for the next verse

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> curiously interjected

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> but also is the Father speaking to the Son

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 110:4 NIV) The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> We may be familiar with the attention given to this in the book of Hebrews, and I won't elaborate on that....

[21:18] <Rich-VHL> 7who had the likeness of the Son of God

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> except to say it's a different priesthood than the Levitical

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> yes, Rich

[21:18] <Seeker-VHL> 4I have wondered since it was before the Law oh is it that there was an earthly priest

[21:18] <Seeker-VHL> 4How was it I meant

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Seeker, Hebrews says it's a different priesthood, and a different covenant

[21:19] <Rich-VHL> 7could it have been Jesus then too

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> So, in this context.... it's very clearly Messianic...

[21:19] <Seeker-VHL> 4abram gave 1/10 to him

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> that the Messiah would perform a different kind of priestly function

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[21:19] <Rich-VHL> 7yes he did Seeker

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Pie!

[21:20] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Pie!

[21:20] <Seeker-VHL> 4hie pie

[21:20] <Rich-VHL> 7hello pie

[21:20] <pie-VHL> 13thanks bob

[21:20] <pie-VHL> 13hi rich and seeker how are you tonite?

[21:20] <Rich-VHL> 7is it just me pie or haven't you been here in awhile

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> And it's interesting to me, the context that it is in, because the Psalm is undeniably Messianic

[21:21] <Rich-VHL> 7very good thanks pie and you

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> And when it uses terminology like:

[21:21] <Seeker-VHL> 4yes I do believe that also Bob

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind:

[21:21] <pie-VHL> 13i busy at work and when i get home i am so tired

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> It's because God is putting extra emphasis on it

[21:21] <pie-VHL> 13bless thanks

[21:21] <Seeker-VHL> 4forever and ever

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 110:4 NIV) The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."

[21:21] <pie-VHL> 13what the topice to nite

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> Messianic prophecies in the Psalms

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> currently, Psalm 110

[21:22] <pie-VHL> 13greaat

[21:22] <Rich-VHL> 7could it be then that there is a preistly order in Heaven

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> What else do we know about this different priesthood of the Messiah? anyone?

[21:23] <Seeker-VHL> 4I'll bite

[21:23] <Rich-VHL> 7I can't think good on thursday nights Bob

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> No indication of that Rich, though in the millenial Kingdom on earth there may very well be an order of priest serving in the Temple, according to Ezekiel and Malachi, for example

[21:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I know the Mormons have a Mechelizdek priesthood, along with the Aaronic.

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> We won't speak of them, Bez :)

[21:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2What can I say, that's where I was raised.

[21:24] <Seeker-VHL> 4There goes the fun

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Any other comments about Melchizedek before we go on?

[21:24] <Rich-VHL> 7hang in there Seeker

[21:24] <Seeker-VHL> 4none from me

[21:25] <Rich-VHL> 7then God's preists walked the earth back then

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> OK, the next verse resume the theme of verse 1-3

[21:25] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'll keep quiet, now. You probably don't want to know about scientology either.

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 110:5-6 NIV) The Lord is at your right hand; he will crush kings on the day of his wrath. {6} He will judge the nations, heaping up the dead and crushing the rulers of the whole earth.

[21:26] <Rich-VHL> 7LOL Bez

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> Tell me your thoughts on these verses

[21:26] <Seeker-VHL> 4I wish I could hug you Bez

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Wrath of God.....carried out against the nations and man.

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> Yes - why?

[21:26] <Rich-VHL> 7when He crushes the leaders they are the bad guys

[21:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Pride.

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> Part of the "why" will be answered in the next Psalm we look at, Psalm 2

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[21:27] <Seeker-VHL> 4For not having a Christian attitude?;-)

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> that's a huge understatement :)

[21:28] <Rich-VHL> 7they are doing away with christians and Gods law

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> It is reminiscient of this:

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> (Haggai 2:21-22 NIV) "Tell Zerubbabel governor of Judah that I will shake the heavens and the earth. {22} I will overturn royal thrones and shatter the power of the foreign kingdoms. I will overthrow chariots and their drivers; horses and their riders will fall, each by the sword of his brother.

[21:29] <Rich-VHL> 7anarchy

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> and this:

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> (Isaiah 2:11 NIV) The eyes of the arrogant man will be humbled and the pride of men brought low; the LORD alone will be exalted in that day.

[21:29] <Rich-VHL> 7lawlessness

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[21:29] <Seeker-VHL775> 4I got disconnected

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> and this

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> (Isaiah 13:9-11 NIV) See, the day of the LORD is coming --a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger-- to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. {10} The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light. {11} I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless.

[21:29] <Seeker-VHL775> 4am I back

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> You are back :)

[21:29] <Rich-VHL> 7yup Seeker

[21:30] <Seeker-VHL775> 4I have to go for just a bit---berightback

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 7OK

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> See ya in a few

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 7go ahead Bob

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 110:5-6 NIV) The Lord is at your right hand; he will crush kings on the day of his wrath. {6} He will judge the nations, heaping up the dead and crushing the rulers of the whole earth.

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> It seems, that God has some issues with the world leaders, huh?

[21:31] <Rich-VHL> 7because they won't do the law of God huh

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Because, they are rejecting the rule of His Son, which is the very theme of Psalm 2

[21:31] <Rich-VHL> 7yup

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> So. ;et

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> So, let's go there

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[21:32] <Rich-VHL> 7OK

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Psalm 2 is also quoted prominently in the NT, as was Psalm 110

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 2:1-3 NIV) Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain? {2} The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the LORD and against his Anointed One. {3} "Let us break their chains," they say, "and throw off their fetters."

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> In v 2, "His Anointed One" is the same as Christ, or Messiah, which means "Anointed One"

[21:34] <Rich-VHL> 7they don't want to Keep the law of God

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> and I think the KJV translates it that way if I recall

[21:34] <Rich-VHL> 7yup Jesus

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> yes, Rich

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> they want to throw off God's laws

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> and His rule

[21:34] <Rich-VHL> 7like whats happening now

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> And they conspire together against YHVH and the Messiah

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 7yeah they say how in the world can we get rid of these christrians

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> yes - this is a description of the Great Rebellion, which is now being formulated, but will break out into the open in the days of the "Man of Sin"

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> yes

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> And what is God's response?

[21:36] <Rich-VHL> 7did you see on world net daily about how historians are now saying that the resurection of jesus is a fact

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> He laughs at their puny efforts to oppose Him

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> No, didn't see that Rich!

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 2:4 NIV) The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them.

[21:37] <Rich-VHL> 7its right at the top of the first page

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 2:4-6 NIV) The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them. {5} Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying, {6} "I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill."

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> Cool!

[21:37] <Rich-VHL> 7yes the Lord scoffs at what they are trying to do

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> This is a very important verse in a very important Psalm

[21:38] <Rich-VHL> 7it sure is

[21:38] <Seeker-VHL775> 4I'm back. My wife freaked out about some gnats that seem to be infesting our house...maybe from potting soil

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> God is saying, it doesn't matter how you oppose me, I'm setting up my Son to rule from Jerusalem, regardless!

[21:38] <Rich-VHL> 7spray em huh Seker

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 7yes He is Bob

[21:39] <Seeker-VHL775> 4sucked em up Rich

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 7thats even better Seeker

[21:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Let's see, Arafat, the Pope, ......

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 7I can't wait for Jesus to rule from Jerusalem

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> The EU, the UN

[21:40] <Rich-VHL> 7thats what we need a huge vaccum

[21:40] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Lots of folks trying to claim sovereignity to that small piece of real estate.

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[21:40] <VCI-Bob> and a whole host of organizations and societies with one goal - keep Jesus from reigning

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Dex! Good to see you!

[21:40] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Tough noogies. They won't get the Holy City.

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2wb Pie.

[21:41] <Dex-VHL> 2hi ya'll

[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7do they know what their doing you think Bob

[21:41] <pie-VHL> 13thanks bezalel

[21:41] <pie-VHL> 13hi dex

[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Dex

[21:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I think some of them do, Rich. They just don't care, or think they are smarter.

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Rich, some know exactly what they are doing, for others their agenda is not that clear, but the effect is the same

[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7maybe Bez

[21:41] <Dex-VHL> 2hi all. I've been gone so long. It's good to be back.

[21:42] <Seeker-VHL775> 4dex

[21:42] <Rich-VHL> 7its good to see ya Dex

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> Paul described it thus: the secret power of godlessness already at work

[21:42] <Dex-VHL> 2thanks

[21:42] <Rich-VHL> 7yes it is secret isn't it in all those societies that are of satan

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> We are in Psalm 2, Dex

[21:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Of course, what Paul said could be updated from already at work, to Still at work.

[21:43] <Seeker-VHL775> 4Does anyone know why I have VHL775 after my name?

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> Looking at Messianic Pslams

[21:43] <Dex-VHL> 2thanks Bob

[21:43] <Rich-VHL> 7thats right Bez

[21:43] <Rich-VHL> 7don't pie

[21:44] <pie-VHL> 13don't what rich?

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> I get the sense that what Paul was saying is, the secret powers are at work, but one day they will burst out in open rebellion against God

[21:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Talk City showed you still logged in when you were bumped, Seeker.

[21:44] <Rich-VHL> 7don't know why 775 is behind you name pie

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> We already looked at Psalm 110

[21:44] <Seeker-VHL775> 4Oh and I thought I was just special

[21:44] <Rich-VHL> 7me too Bob

[21:44] <pie-VHL> 13not my name it's seeker name

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 7well you have it now Seeker

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> Now the next verse is the Son talking:

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 7oh well we'll live huh

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 2:7-8) I will tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to me, "You are my son; today I have begotten you. {8} Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession.

[21:45] <pie-VHL> 13yes we will rich

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> Further proof to sceptics that Jesus is the Son of God

[21:46] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Bob

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> And all He had to do was ask His father, and what does He get?

[21:46] <Seeker-VHL775> 4praise His Holy Name

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> The whole earth, all the nations, as HIS

[21:46] <Rich-VHL> 7Glory to God in the Highest

[21:47] <pie-VHL> 13yes HIS HOLY Na,me

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> It's like, "in your face" to the ones conspiring against the rule of the Son in the earlier verses

[21:47] <pie-VHL> 13oops Name

[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 7Jesus is going to rule this earth instead of satan

[21:47] <Seeker-VHL775> 4how utterly futile

[21:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I do want to be around to see the faces of the "nations" when Jesus returns.

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 2:9 NIV) You will rule them with an iron scepter ; you will dash them to pieces like pottery."

[21:48] <Rich-VHL> 7me too Bez

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> You'll have a prime view, Bez :)

[21:48] <pie-VHL> 13my,my,my

[21:48] <Dex-VHL> 2that verse sounds very much like one in Revelations

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Glory to the Father and the Son!

[21:48] <Seeker-VHL775> 4I just want to see the face of my Lord

[21:48] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen

[21:49] <Rich-VHL> 7oh me too Seeker

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Dex

[21:49] <pie-VHL> 13i have a ? it's not with the topic

[21:49] <pie-VHL> 13me too seeker

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> A whole lot of the book of Revelation is direct quotes from the Tanakh

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Yes Pie?

[21:49] <Dex-VHL> 2What is the Tanakh?

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> the OT

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> that's what the Jews call it

[21:50] <Rich-VHL> 7what is it pie

[21:50] <Seeker-VHL775> 4Bez no offense I hope, I Knew what you meant

[21:50] <Dex-VHL> 2ok.........What is the Torah?

[21:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2No offense, Seeker.

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Torah is the books of Moses, first 5 books

[21:50] <pie-VHL> 13what and why do the jewish people wear a those cap on their head what does it mean i love jewish people i always wanted to ask this question but i forget

[21:50] <Seeker-VHL775> 4:-)

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> I have no answer for that, pie

[21:51] <Rich-VHL> 7I don't know either Pie

[21:51] <Dex-VHL> 2So the Tanakh is comprised in part by the Torah?

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> yes

[21:51] <pie-VHL> 13oh thanks anyway

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Torah also called Penteteuch at times, meaning the 5 books

[21:52] <Dex-VHL> 2Is the Tahakh identical to the KJV OT?

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> The remainder of Psalm 2 is the conclusion, and a warning to the recalcitrant rulers of the earth

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Yes, well the books anyway

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 2:10 NIV) Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth.

[21:52] <Dex-VHL> 2thanks Bob

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> sure :)

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 2:11-12 NIV) Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. {12} Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

[21:53] <Rich-VHL> 7they aren't heeding are they

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> No, Rich

[21:53] <Seeker-VHL775> 4I believe the men start wearing the cap after their bar------(sp) and shows their faith and devotion

[21:53] <pie-VHL> 13i have a torah last year i went to this bible store and i ask this lady for jewish bible i didn't know any better and i really though that i had a jewish and it was call a torah and it in english version

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> Some perhaps - GW Bush claims that he "kisses the Son"

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> thanks, Seeker

[21:54] <Rich-VHL> 7how does he mean Bob

[21:54] <Rich-VHL> 7GW that is

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Pie, I have two English translations of the Tanach, Jewish Bibles

[21:54] <Bezalel-VHL> 2We may see some real faith from GW...

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Rich, that was my term, using the phrase from Psalm 2

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Bush doesn't say that specifically, just that he has faith in Christ

[21:55] <Rich-VHL> 7Ok Bob I'm kinda dense

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> not at all, I didn't make it clear :)

[21:55] <Seeker-VHL775> 4I'm lost---GW claims he kisses what?

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:55] <pie-VHL> 13bob tanach is the torah?

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> Tanach is what we call the Old Testament

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> Busch claims to be a Christian, so....

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> I was saying that he was heeding the warning for kings to "kiss the Son" in Psalm 2

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 7Yes I know Bob he claims to be

[21:57] <pie-VHL> 13yes you right the torah that i have only with the old testament

[21:57] <Seeker-VHL775> 4Ok thanks

[21:57] <Seeker-VHL775> 4I get real disappointed in some of the off the wall remarks that Bush makes (vulgaity)

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> And the last phrase, is always true:

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> Happy are all who take refuge in him!

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> We can't go wrong!

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Seeker

[21:58] <Rich-VHL> 7that hit me too Bob I love it

[21:58] <Seeker-VHL775> 4Goes to show to not put faith in any man

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 7Gw if he is christian just isn't quite as far along on the road as some I think

[21:59] <pie-VHL> 13your right seeker

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Remember, these Psalms were written many hundreds of years before Jesus set foot on earth, with very specific details!

[21:59] <Seeker-VHL775> 4coincidental???

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> nah :)

[22:00] <Seeker-VHL775> 4Nooo

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> not a chance

[22:00] <Rich-VHL> 7yes and I can't figure why most of the world can't get that through their heads Bob

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> mathematically speaking as well - infinitessimally small odds that all these were coincidentally fulfilled in the man Jesus

[22:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The nations would rather believe the scientists that evolution and the big bang got us here. Believing in God is belief in a fairy tale (according to secular humanists).

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 7the end istold from the beginning it seems anyone that thinks could see Jesus in the Bible

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> Well, Rich, some SAW Him raise dead people to life, and STILL wanted to kill Him!

[22:02] <Seeker-VHL775> 4It would be no different today

[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 7thats true Bob

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Bez, anything but God, no matter how fantastically improbable

[22:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Peter was a disciple and denied him three times.

[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 7yes he did Bez

[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 7before he had the Holy Spirit though

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> OK, our next Psalm is also a "martial" Psalm, as were 110 and 2

[22:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I lke "martial" :-)

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> And like the other 2, is quoted prominently in the NT

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> (a side note - did you ever notice how close "martial" and "marital" are?)

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> HAHAHAHA

[22:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-), ROFL

[22:04] <Rich-VHL> 7it takes me a couple of looks at that Bob

[22:04] <Seeker-VHL775> 4I will have to go you guys. So I am going to ask for a prayer for one of my relatives. His name is Charlie and he is dieing from sinus cancer

[22:05] <pie-VHL> 13now bez what doesROFL means?

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> Bye Seeker - Lord, we lift Charlie up to you

[22:05] <Seeker-VHL775> 4pray for comfort for his wife and children.

[22:05] <Dex-VHL> 2God

[22:06] <Dex-VHL> 2God Bless you seeker. I'll pray for them.

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 7by by Seeeker you have our prayers as well as Charlie does

[22:06] <pie-VHL> 13nite seeker by HIS (JESUS) charlie is heal

[22:06] <Seeker-VHL775> 4thank you Father for friends who care.

[22:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Seeker....we'll see His face together.

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[22:07] <VCI-Bob> Psalm 45 is a favorite of mine, though I must say my "favorites" list is quite long :)

[22:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I know that feeling, Bob.

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> I wrote a song from this Psalm, called "Anthem to the Son" - it's on my website

[22:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2ROFL = Rolling on the Floor Laughing, Pie.

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 45:1 NIV) My heart is stirred by a noble theme as I recite my verses for the king; my tongue is the pen of a skillful writer.

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> The Psalmist tells us of his inspiration during the creative process

[22:09] <pie-VHL> 13oh my !! bez i though it was another jewish word

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> "the King"

[22:09] <Rich-VHL> 7thats very inspireing isn't it

[22:09] <pie-VHL> 13:->

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> yes, Rich

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> Then he addresses the King directly:

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 45:2 NIV) You are the most excellent of men and your lips have been anointed with grace, since God has blessed you forever.

[22:10] <Dex-VHL> 2God night and God bless ya'll. I've got to go to bed. I'm beat. I hope to be attending more of these in the future. recently I havn't had time for anything it seems. well good night again

[22:10] <pie-VHL> 13nite dex

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> Night Dex :) God bless

[22:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Dex.

[22:10] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless Dex

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[22:10] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 45:2 NIV) You are the most excellent of men and your lips have been anointed with grace, since God has blessed you forever.

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> Jesus -- the most excellent!

[22:10] <Rich-VHL> 7the King of Kings

[22:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Blessed forever.

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> In fact, the only excellent - all of the rest of us are only scum, on our own merit

[22:11] <Rich-VHL> 7of the Royal House of God

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> And His lips! No one ever said the things that Man did!

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[22:12] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Deacon! We are in Psalm 45, discussing the most excellent of men, Jesus!

[22:12] <pie-VHL> 13well i am going myself GOD bless all of you and you bob i pray to GOD that he will contiune to use you to help people like myself to understand stand the BIBLE better and please keep it up good nite all and thanks again bye rich and bez and all

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> The blessings of the Father on the Son are the only reason we are blessed - we inherit His blessings!

[22:12] <Rich-VHL> 7remember in I think it is Matthew where he says that Jesus spoke the gracious words that they had ever heard

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> Night, Pie, God bless you!

[22:13] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Pie. or should I say bie pie.

[22:13] <Rich-VHL> 7the most

[22:13] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless pie

[22:13] <deacon-VHL> yes bless you all

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Rich

[22:13] <pie-VHL> 13ha-ha bez you are so ccrazy

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:13] <pie-VHL> 13:-)

[22:13] <Rich-VHL> 7hello deacon

[22:14] <deacon-VHL> hello rich

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Now here comes the martial part, a call to arms:

[22:14] <pie-VHL> 13remember to pray for israel

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[22:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That we don't forget, Pie.

[22:14] <Rich-VHL> 7I will pie

[22:14] <deacon-VHL> always pie

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 45:3-5 NIV) Gird your sword upon your side, O mighty one; clothe yourself with splendor and majesty. {4} In your majesty ride forth victoriously in behalf of truth, humility and righteousness; let your right hand display awesome deeds. {5} Let your sharp arrows pierce the hearts of the king's enemies; let the nations fall beneath your feet.

[22:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Nations are beneath His feet one more time.

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> We recall from Psalm 110 that the Son is sitting that Father's right hand, waiting. Well, this is the call for Him to get up

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> And ride forth

[22:15] <deacon-VHL> hello bezalel

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 7on the white horse

[22:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Deacon.

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Such majestic language

[22:15] <deacon-VHL> not that first white horse

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> No, not that one

[22:16] <Rich-VHL> 7very beautifull language

[22:16] <Rich-VHL> 7right deacon

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> We can pray these verses as a prayer, expanding on "come quickly, Lord Jesus"

[22:17] <Rich-VHL> 7we all do daily huh

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> Yes, and we need to absorb these words into our souls

[22:18] <Rich-VHL> 7your right there Bob

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> The next verses are quoted in Hebrews, to prove the divine nature of the Messiah, Son of God

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> (Psalms 45:6-7 NIV) Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. {7} You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> (Hebrews 1:8-9 NIV) But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. {9} You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy."

[22:19] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen and Amen

[22:20] <Rich-VHL> 7all we have to do is believe and we are His

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> That's the secret to joy - love what God loves, hate what God hates

[22:20] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The oil of joy. Balances nicely with the Wrath of the Lord.

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> Yes

[22:21] <deacon-VHL> believe and trust in the lord for deleverence

[22:21] <Rich-VHL> 7I gotta get off to bed too friends God Bless good night

[22:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Even if the hating brings the label of judgemental.

[22:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Rich.

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> Night Rich!

[22:22] <deacon-VHL> everyone please pray for peace here in cincinncti ohio

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez, but to me, it means more that I should hate the evil in ME

[22:22] <Rich-VHL> 7lets all keep the faith Ok

[22:22] <deacon-VHL> night rich ,may the lord keep you

[22:22] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You're right, Bob. The evil is sometimes hard to see and define.

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[22:23] <VCI-Bob> (Proverbs 8:13 NIV) To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

[22:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You amaze me with your ability to use scripture, Bob.

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> Bez, the Bible software makes it easy, and the Lord brings them into remembrance - not me at all :)

[22:24] <deacon-VHL> amen bob

[22:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-), I shoulda known!

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:25] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I like the Proverbs verse, though.

[22:25] <deacon-VHL> prov 3.5

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> Stan asked me that we would remember a friend of his in prayer

[22:25] <deacon-VHL> lean not...

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> Jan, a young man who I met while there, is serving in the IDF reserves

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> He's a non-Jewish believer, but a citizen, I think

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> anyway, he's serving in a tank on the Jerusalem-Bethlehem road

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> which is a hot area

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> today, one of his fellow soldiers there was shot in the jaw by a sniper

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> So, Lord, we present Jan before you, for protection, for grace

[22:27] <deacon-VHL> hey whats the deal with sharon ,how come he wont flex any muscle?

[22:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Give him strength of conviction, and humility of faith.

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> Amen

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Deacon, it seemed to me that Sharon is trying to balance "muscle" with a degree of restraint

[22:28] <deacon-VHL> after all he is the one who started everything about a year ago

[22:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Give us all strength to stand for Israel. Make us Your Watchmen.

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> the foray into area A in Gaza was a big step

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lord!

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> Deacon, it was not Sharon that started it - that was simply a pretext

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> as he said, any Jew should have the right to go to the Temple Mount at any time

[22:29] <deacon-VHL> yes but the west bank is very vitale

[22:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Didn't he say Jew or Christian?

[22:29] <deacon-VHL> no sharon went on to the temple

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Yes, and we will see more muscle as things progress, or should i say digress

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Not sure, Bez

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Deacon, as was his right

[22:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I thought he said he would open the Mount for all faiths.

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> It was before, Bez, but not now, of course

[22:31] <deacon-VHL> his right but not as it pertain to muslim rule

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> Correct - the muslims want to restrict it entirely, and take total control

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> it ain't gonna happen :)

[22:31] <deacon-VHL> i expected a lot more out of sharon

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> You'll see more

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> in time

[22:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I wouldn't think it would. The Lord is pretty jealous of His City.

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> uh huh

[22:33] <deacon-VHL> well ,he,s not foolish thats for sure as barak was

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[22:33] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Just waiting for the Lord's call for help. I'm nearly ready to go at the drop of a hat.

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> You should go over first and assess the site, Bez :)

[22:33] <deacon-VHL> well bez that can happen any time

[22:33] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I know, I know.

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> Got a passport?

[22:34] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Won't need one.

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> no?

[22:34] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Unless I go on an early scouting trip.

[22:35] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And use conventional transportation and entry ports.

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> Well, you should get one so you can be ready for the scouting trip :)

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[22:35] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I know. Got used to not needing one, since the "Green" ID card of the Navy was passport enough.

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> From Jpost:

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> Jordanian Foreign Minister Abdulilah Khatib told reporters this afternoon that the Arab states stand solidly behind the Palestinians and their position vis-a-vis Israel.

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> Jordan will not push the PA into compromises with Israel, Khatib said.

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> Jordan and Egypt are demanding Israel renew negotiations with the Palestinians and remove army closures around Palestinian cities, Khatib added.

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> I was telling Stan the other day, that it occurred to me...

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> that the primary thing that was not yet in place, for this upcoming war, was Jordan's stance

[22:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And there it is.

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> because as I understand it they will also be involved

[22:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2They're Edom aren't they?

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> they have a ways to go yet, but Jordan is increasingly turning that way

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Edom was geographically in southern Jordan

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> Ammon Moab Edom, all Jordan, north to south

[22:37] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Okay.

[22:38] <VCI-Bob> King Abdullah is getting increasing pressure from the radical Muslim elements on the street

[22:38] <VCI-Bob> he and other leaders walk a tightrope in suppressing those elements, which are always a threat to their regimes

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> so they both concede to them, moving towards a more anti-Israel policy at times, and also attempt to keep them in check

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> But something will happen perhaps to turn Jordan radically against Israel

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> we'll see :)

[22:40] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Iraq will have to move through Syria, and Jordan, won't they?

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> Yes, one or the other

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> or both

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> Probably Jordan

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> because if they go through Syria, the only routes are...

[22:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And Syria is already involved through Hizballah.

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> via the Golan, which is unlikely, or through south Lebanon

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> Yes

[22:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Northern border is pretty reinforced isn't it?

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> The Syrian troops are stationed largely in the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon, and that's most likely where they will come from if a land invasion occurs

[22:42] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I've made a few people nervous by citing my belief of the next steps to end times.

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> I would think so, though it's not like that have large divisions on the border, or at least it didn't look that way

[22:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Most of which come from you, Bob.

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> I suppose we do make people nervous :)

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> Remember, Israel has a relatively small standing army, and mostly relies on reserves

[22:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 2It's hard for them to deny the truth. And each day brings another "fact."

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> uh huh - well, the Christian world as a whole doesn't have much stomach for some of the prophecies of the Bible

[22:45] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Ain't that the truth.

[22:45] <VCI-Bob> sadly, yes

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> I'm submitting some of my stuff to a publisher, hoping to get a book out

[22:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I get somewhat upset when we go to services. The AOG church we attend likes to dwell on the great day of Jesus' return, believing they won't be here to witness it.

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it's hard not to get frustrated at times, but we can't let other's lack of understanding get to us

[22:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2They tend to ignore the wrath of man, and tribulation.

[22:47] <VCI-Bob> We can only speak what we know from the Scriptures, and let God do the rest

[22:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2But, you will be proud of me. Although I may be baby in the faith, I hold strongly that Israel is on the path to salvation.

[22:48] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I would make a lousy evangelist though.

[22:48] <VCI-Bob> great! It's disturbing how many church people out there think God is done with Israel

[22:48] <Bezalel-VHL> 2They obviously haven't read the prophets in awhile.

[22:48] <VCI-Bob> yes, that's the core of the problem

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> Well, I had better go for now.....

[22:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Too much New Testament, and discounting of the Old.

[22:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Okay, thanks for the excellent chat. Don't know why there weren't more people here.

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> Thanks for your great participation as always, and for being an all-around great guy! :)

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Bez :) God bless

[22:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Aw gosh, geewillickers, you embarass me. :-)

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Bob.

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> Night :)

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