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[19:55] <eden-VHL> its 12 noon on friday

[19:55] <longatlastimhere-VHL> Hi BOB :) :)

[19:55] <longatlastimhere-VHL> really

[19:55] <eden-VHL> Hi Bob long time no chat

[19:55] <VCI-Bob> Hi Long - is that you Liz?

[19:55] <VCI-Bob> Hi Eden! Great to have you back again!

[19:55] <longatlastimhere-VHL> yeah bob i made sure i had nothing going on tonight yep it me

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> Wasn't sure I would make it either - I'm in a hotel room in Manhattan

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> After a mad dash in a cab across town, and some technical difficulties getting in here, I made it just in time!

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> I'm on 40th St, on the 16th floor :)

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> How is everyone?

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[19:59] <eden-VHL> hi red

[19:59] <Gran-VHL> 6a lot going on in our Israel

[19:59] <longatlastimhere-VHL> hi red

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> Please bear with me - I'm afraid I may be bouncing in and out tonight - technical problems with laptop and internet connection

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Hello - more jumped in when I bounced out!

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[20:07] <longatlastimhere-VHL> bob back

[20:07] <red-VHL109> is bob back?

[20:07] <calledout-VHL> 10I think it is just what is needed

[20:07] <Ken-VHL> Yes, but I don't have an answer.

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Here I am

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Hopefully I'll stay longer this time :)

[20:08] <longatlastimhere-VHL> hi bob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Hi!

[20:08] <Rich-VHL> 7Ok red thats good LOL

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 6Num 10:9 the Lord told them to blow the trumpet when the enemy is attaching them in there land

[20:08] <calledout-VHL> 10Hii Bob

[20:08] <red-VHL109> about time bob

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Must be in New Jersey, huh, Bob?

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Manhattan, Bez :)

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob shalom

[20:08] <red-VHL109> how are you bob

[20:08] <Ken-VHL> Well come back, Bob

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 6you found your crown

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> 40th St, 16th floor

[20:08] <Rich-VHL> 7good to see ya Bob

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Near Clinton's brand-new office?

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob have you heard if Isreal has any silver trumpets

[20:08] <red-VHL109> you do get around huh bob

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> I'm a little "hurried" Red, but it goes with being here I guess :)

[20:09] <Gran-VHL> 6I was just sharing what i had read in Num 10

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[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Tell us Gran - no, I don't know

[20:09] <longatlastimhere-VHL> bob what you doing in new york????

[20:09] <eden-VHL> same old chat still get bumped off I see

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Thanks Rich :)

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Yes, same ole bumpy chat :)

[20:09] <Gran-VHL> 6well the Lord told them to make silver trumpets

[20:09] <eden-VHL> hey bob

[20:09] <Gran-VHL> 6to blow for the ceremonies sacrifices ets

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Yes Eden?

[20:10] <Rich-VHL> 7go on Gran

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6then in verse 9 he tells them to blow the trumpet when they go to war in their land

[20:10] <eden-VHL> hi there remember me? the kangaroo

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6sound like something they need to do now

[20:10] <Rich-VHL> 7the silver one Gran

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> (Num 10:9 NIV) When you go into battle in your own land against an enemy who is oppressing you, sound a blast on the trumpets. Then you will be remembered by the LORD your God and rescued from your enemies.

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Sure do, Eden!

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> From Australia, right?

[20:11] <eden-VHL> yup

[20:11] <longatlastimhere-VHL> i love that verse Gran

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Any other countries represented here?

[20:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm certainly glad you made it, Eden!

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 6the Lord said that then they sahll sound an alarm with the trumpets and they will be remembered before the Lord

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 6and they will be daved from their enemies

[20:11] <eden-VHL> thanks bez

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 6saved

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> (Manhattan should be a different country, or planet perhaps) :)

[20:11] <longatlastimhere-VHL> yep bob lol

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran!

[20:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Land of the Ultra-Liberal...:-)

[20:12] <Rich-VHL> 7I hope they have silver trumpets huh Gran

[20:12] <Gran-VHL> 6I would love to get that scripture to Sharon or someone

[20:12] <Ken-VHL> Missouri

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Land of the honking horns and dashing cabs

[20:12] <Gran-VHL> 6surely they could at least blow the Shofar

[20:12] <eden-VHL> outnumbered again I see

[20:12] <longatlastimhere-VHL> yeah Bob why is sharon the way he is when hes not religious it makes no sense

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Gran, there will be some great trumpet blowing ahead

[20:12] <Ken-VHL> The buckle of the Bible Belt

[20:12] <Gran-VHL> 6if seems that the shofar was what they began using later

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Liz, I read his bio last year (Sharon).....

[20:12] <Gran-VHL> 6wonder where all the silver trumpets went

[20:13] <Rich-VHL> 7go on Bob

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> he has a strong sense of the history and future of the Jews (limited, of course, because he is not a man of faith)

[20:13] <longatlastimhere-VHL> yeah tell us more bob

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> and

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[20:13] <VCI-Bob> he understands very well the strategic and symbolic importance of the land

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> and.....

[20:13] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob thats must be so but they need to heed the scripture and blow it now since the enemie has invaded their land and fights them all the time it is war now

[20:13] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I did see a picture of Sharon at the Wall, praying....

[20:13] <Rich-VHL> 7is that you liz listed as long

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> is not an Arab hater by any means - has good personal relations with them... but....

[20:14] <longatlastimhere-VHL> yep rich

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> he is a realist about the goals of people like Arafat

[20:14] <Rich-VHL> 7OK Liz

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 6ani shalom

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> and knows that only strength is a deterrent with people like that, not appeasement

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran I agree

[20:14] <Ani_Amin-VHL> Shalom!

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Because, ultimate, it is not their strength that will prevail

[20:15] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Ani

[20:15] <eden-VHL> Sharon is the right man "for such a time as this"

[20:15] <calledout-VHL> 10Shalom Ani

[20:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Welcome Ani

[20:15] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob

[20:15] <longatlastimhere-VHL> do you think he could be persuaded through threats Bob to give away more

[20:15] <longatlastimhere-VHL> hey eden

[20:15] <Ken-VHL> hi ani

[20:15] <Rich-VHL> 7true eden

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> but it is the Lord's purposes that will prevail

[20:15] <Ani_Amin-VHL> Hi ya all!

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> No, Liz

[20:15] <longatlastimhere-VHL> i had that same scripture pop in my head when he won

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Hi there Amin

[20:15] <Gran-VHL> 6if they were to blow the trumpet it would be like goiing over the heads of the leaders of this world

[20:15] <longatlastimhere-VHL> great

[20:15] <eden-VHL> hi again liz

[20:15] <Gran-VHL> 6and really getting Gods attention

[20:16] <Rich-VHL> 7yes it would Gran and they need to blow them too

[20:16] <longatlastimhere-VHL> he has alot of close christian friends i heard and didnt stan say something a while back abouit some christians singing for him and how touched he was

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Let me look for some good trumpet Scriptures :)

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6by being obedient to the scripture

[20:16] <Ken-VHL> God expects that, Gran

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6I read this verse in my bible reading this AM

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Liz, Sharon is a very crafty man, tough in some ways, tender hearted in others, but clever and resolute

[20:17] <Gran-VHL> 6and just seemed to fit the situation today

[20:17] <Rich-VHL> 7Bob Pres. Bush went for a helicopter ride with Sharon a while back

[20:17] <longatlastimhere-VHL> yeah i have read some crazy stuff he has done in their wasr that were amazing and they worked

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Rich, I heard!

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Sharon showed him around

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Here's a great one!!

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 18:3 NIV) All you people of the world, you who live on the earth, when a banner is raised on the mountains, you will see it, and when a trumpet sounds, you will hear it.

[20:18] <Gran-VHL> 6obeying the scripture would be like praying which is going over the heads of men

[20:18] <Ken-VHL> amen

[20:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yahoo! Banners and trumpets for all to see and hear.

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> You can always count on Isaiah for a timely word, profoundly said :)

[20:18] <calledout-VHL> 10God's voice is like a trumpet

[20:18] <longatlastimhere-VHL> amen bob

[20:18] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[20:18] <Rich-VHL> 7me too Bez

[20:18] <Ken-VHL> :-)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Look at the next verse - very interesting

[20:19] <longatlastimhere-VHL> so Bob whats your personal take on all this with sharon becoming PM what do you see potentially happening

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 18:4 NIV) This is what the LORD says to me: "I will remain quiet and will look on from my dwelling place, like shimmering heat in the sunshine, like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest."

[20:19] <Ani_Amin-VHL> How can an Israeli check his/her genealogy since those records were destroyed in 70 A.D.?

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> I don't know, Amin

[20:19] <Rich-VHL> 7sorry Ani I don't know

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Liz.... here's what I see happening

[20:20] <Ani_Amin-VHL> Just wondering if anyone had an answer.

[20:20] <Gran-VHL> 6where are you Ani

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Arafat and his cohorts will insist on starting at the supposed discussions at Taba

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> which were not agreements at all

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> And Sharon will of course reject this

[20:21] <Ani_Amin-VHL> I am in the U.S.

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6perhaps there is a records building in Jerusalem one could go to

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> so any future "peace talks" will not even get off the ground

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6oh well I guess maybe a rabbi may be able to help you

[20:21] <calledout-VHL> 10Don't you think Arafat wishes he had made agreement with Barak when he had the chance?

[20:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Didn't Sharon say he would negotiate to negotiate...?

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> and the PA, and Tanzim, and Hamas, and Fatah, and so on, will continue to escalate the intifada

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6it depends on if you have any proof

[20:22] <Gran-VHL> 6Delta has been trying to find her link but without proof she can't

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[20:22] <VCI-Bob> No, Called, I don't think Arafat wishes that at all

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Because

[20:22] <Ken-VHL> until. . .

[20:22] <eden-VHL> yes, till all out war, starting from Syria, by air and sea

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> They will only be satisfied with the 1967 lines, which they will not get

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> and short of that, they will try to take it by force

[20:23] <Ani_Amin-VHL> OK, because a lot of people have been coming at me lately, saying the current residents of Israel are mainly Asians, Mongolians and Europeons who converted to Judiasm and were assimilated into various cultures and labeled as descendants of the Jews.

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> That's quite ludicrous, Amin

[20:23] <Ani_Amin-VHL> How so?

[20:23] <Rich-VHL> 7thats the worlds view Ani

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 6Ani from what i understand the line comes thro the mother and she must be a proven Jew

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> The Jews are the legitimate physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> though many cults and revisionists wish they were not

[20:24] <eden-VHL> yes thats right gran for four generations

[20:24] <Gran-VHL> 6or the person can't be a citizen or named as i Jew

[20:24] <Rich-VHL> 7the world doesn't want a people known as Gods chosen Ani

[20:25] <Gran-VHL> 6many people are trying to find their roots in Judism and just do not have proof

[20:25] <Ani_Amin-VHL> Yeah that is the problem, they say all the genealogy was destroyed and there is no way to prove physical descent from Jacob. History does record whole nations converting to Judiasm and be assimilated through wars.

[20:25] <Gran-VHL> 6because of the despersion and those that hid their Jewish roots for fear

[20:25] <Rich-VHL> 7God knows Ani

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> The empirical evidence that Israel today relates to the end-time Israel spoken of in the prophecies is this - very simply, they are back in the land - irrefutable proof

[20:26] <eden-VHL> God knows who His chosen people are, forever

[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob

[20:26] <longatlastimhere-VHL> bob i do have a dumb question...we all came from adam and eve so arent we all related somehow

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> God brought them back, they are there - voila! Israel!

[20:26] <Ken-VHL> what of us who are grafted in?

[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6Praise HIS holy name

[20:26] <longatlastimhere-VHL> thast one Big Family Tree lol

[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6we are grafted in Ken but are only spirutal Jews

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz :) Paul spoke about that

[20:26] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen Bob

[20:27] <Gran-VHL> 6not Gods beloved

[20:27] <Gran-VHL> 6His first born

[20:27] <Gran-VHL> 6as it were

[20:27] <Ani_Amin-VHL> You see thats the problem, many are saying it is strictly Zionism and has no prophetic significance.

[20:27] <Gran-VHL> 6we are HIS of course but do not replace them

[20:27] <Rich-VHL> 7His own personal nation of folks huh Gran

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Amin, people SAY lots of things

[20:28] <longatlastimhere-VHL> bob i am slow tonight wheres the scripture

[20:28] <Gran-VHL> 6thats right Rich

[20:28] <Ani_Amin-VHL> OK, so God has two peoples?

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> it's what God says that counts :)

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Looking, Liz

[20:28] <longatlastimhere-VHL> ok

[20:28] <eden-VHL> eventually "there will be no Jew or Gentile"

[20:28] <Ken-VHL> Amen

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> From Paul's speech in Athens:

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> (Acts 17:24 NIV) "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> (Acts 17:25 NIV) And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else.

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> (Acts 17:26 NIV) From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> 6Ani we are all HIS but no one can replace HIS first born as those from Abraham are

[20:29] <Rich-VHL> 7thats right eden

[20:29] <Ani_Amin-VHL> Yeah, the Adam issue stands, Christ did say to the unbelieving jews, "you are of your father the devil".

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> (Acts 17:27 NIV) God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

[20:29] <longatlastimhere-VHL> amen bob thanks

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Amin - we realize that - we also realize the many promises of future restoration to "all Israel"

[20:30] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[20:30] <calledout-VHL> 10It is God's covenant to Abraham

[20:30] <Rich-VHL> 7we are all in our time and place directly form God

[20:30] <calledout-VHL> 10This has been the time of the Gentile

[20:30] <Rich-VHL> 7from

[20:30] <Gran-VHL> 6m rmembering last weeks time we spent in Jer 30 and 31

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Restoration contingent on their future recognition of Jesus as the promised Messiah of Israel, and that is certain to happen

[20:30] <calledout-VHL> 10Soon, willl be the time of the Jew again

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Right, Called

[20:30] <calledout-VHL> 10For God's glory sake

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> Yes, indeed!

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> 6amen called

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> Right, Rich :)

[20:31] <Rich-VHL> 7yup called

[20:31] <eden-VHL> right called

[20:31] <Ani_Amin-VHL> So there is a spiritual Israel to which we belong. You are saying the unbelieving jews are also God's children?

[20:31] <calledout-VHL> 10We don't have to understand it

[20:31] <Rich-VHL> 7thats why I like to speak of the genous of God Bob

[20:31] <calledout-VHL> 10That is just what the Word says

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> It's important, on any issue, but especially this one, to have a balanced viewpoint - to know what ALL the Scriptures say, not just pick and choose

[20:32] <Ani_Amin-VHL> So then, only those alive at the last day will be grafted in?

[20:32] <eden-VHL> yes Ani they are his first born that He cannot forget nor can his covenant with them be broken

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Are you asking because you want to know, or because you want to be argumentative? :)

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> 6Ani when one accepts Jesus then they are grafted in

[20:33] <Ken-VHL> thanks Gran

[20:33] <calledout-VHL> 10yes Gran :) Glory!!

[20:33] <Gran-VHL> 6adopted by God

[20:33] <longatlastimhere-VHL> hey bob i learned something today about ultra orthodox that has me real confused lol

[20:33] <Rich-VHL> 7as His sons and daughters

[20:33] <Ani_Amin-VHL> Ok, so those jews who died in unbelief (in the Millions) don't have the same promise?

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Oh Liz?

[20:33] <Gran-VHL> 6\O/

[20:34] <longatlastimhere-VHL> after that bombing i was listening to jpost radio and the guy was saying how ultra orthodox are totally against the state of Israel they are not zionists i did not know this

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Amin, the Scriptures are clear about the fate of individuals - all who believe in Jesus are saved -- but that's for God to sort out, not me or you

[20:34] <Rich-VHL> 7they do Ani I think its in Isaiah where He says all Israel will be saved

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Right, Liz - because.....

[20:34] <Ken-VHL> ocular reticense, liz

[20:34] <Ani_Amin-VHL> Yes, that is precisely the answer isn't it?

[20:35] <longatlastimhere-VHL> what ken lol

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> they believe that the only legit Jewish state will be created by Messiah, and so do not recognize the state of Israel - but this is only the extreme few

[20:35] <Ken-VHL> they just wont see

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 6Ani I just do not understand how it works and so much I just do not see in the scriptures to know for sure

[20:35] <longatlastimhere-VHL> oohhh okay

[20:36] <longatlastimhere-VHL> did you all here how miraclous that was today with that bombing.....

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob that is why those are so against the Zionist movement

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> The early Zionist were largely secular, socialist Jews

[20:36] <longatlastimhere-VHL> it was a big explosive

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 6because they believe that Messiah will restore Isreal

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> And He sure will, Gran :)

[20:36] <Ani_Amin-VHL> Yes God will certainly save all of His, He has said that He will and whatever He says He will do, He will do.

[20:36] <eden-VHL> and He will

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob and of course HE will Bob

[20:36] <Rich-VHL> 7and of course He will do just that Gran

[20:37] <Rich-VHL> 7Praise His Holy name

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Ani HE surely will and HE is a promise keeper

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> The heater in this hotel room sounds like a jet engine - be right back :)

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 6not a man that HE should lie

[20:37] <longatlastimhere-VHL> lol ok

[20:37] <eden-VHL> amen gran perfect verse

[20:37] <Rich-VHL> 7true Gran He cannot lie

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> I guess it's something outside

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 6yes eden so often God gets blamed for what satan has inspiried man to do

[20:38] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yeah, Bob, New York City...

[20:38] <Rich-VHL> 7I hope not a jet engine Bob

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> Yeah :)

[20:38] <red-VHL109> and i thought the trains here were loud lol

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 6like all the bombings

[20:38] <Ken-VHL> In Manhattan?

[20:38] <calledout-VHL> 10Do you mind being "on the road" Bob?

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> yes, 40th St, the Courtyard Marriott

[20:38] <eden-VHL> satan is the father of lies according to Jesus a murderer from the beginning

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 6well family I need to go for now see you all on Mon shalom

[20:39] <Rich-VHL> 7he sure is eden

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> I'm on the road one week a month - any more than that I would mind

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[20:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Gran

[20:39] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless Gran

[20:39] <red-VHL109> bye Grad God's blessing to you

[20:39] <Ken-VHL> Bye, Gran

[20:39] <calledout-VHL> 10bye Gran, I won't last much longer either, God Bless You

[20:39] <Rich-VHL> 7hang in there called

[20:39] <eden-VHL> God Bless you gran, shalom

[20:40] <calledout-VHL> 10:)

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> ok - I have a few short verses to share that I thought were interesting

[20:40] <calledout-VHL> 10listening

[20:40] <Rich-VHL> 7please do Bob

[20:40] <Ken-VHL> Go, Bob

[20:40] <eden-VHL> ears open

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> From Micah

[20:41] <Ken-VHL> ready

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> about the future people of Israel who would be restored back to the land

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> (Micah 5:7 NIV) The remnant of Jacob will be in the midst of many peoples like dew from the LORD, like showers on the grass, which do not wait for man or linger for mankind.

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Give that some thought for a second

[20:42] <red-VHL109> my cat is playing with the bookmark string of my bible lol

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> And then let's hear your thoughts

[20:42] <Rich-VHL> 7sounds like a lot of people

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> LOL Red

[20:42] <Ani_Amin-VHL> Yes Bob, they are in the midst of many peoples. Good verse!

[20:42] <Rich-VHL> 7cats are like that aren't they red

[20:42] <eden-VHL> the people are many, too many to count like the rain drops???

[20:42] <Ken-VHL> God's time not ours

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> Dew just happens, right? People don't manufacture dew, or make it come about - you wake up, and it's there

[20:42] <calledout-VHL> 10dew from the Lord is like a gift

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> Right

[20:43] <Rich-VHL> 7yes

[20:43] <calledout-VHL> 10the remnant of Jacob will be obedient to God in spite of anything man says

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Just like Israel, as a nation - one morning, you wake up, it's there! (1948) - like God makes dew

[20:43] <calledout-VHL> 10right

[20:43] <red-VHL109> that neat

[20:43] <Rich-VHL> 7what does linger or wait for mankind mean

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> from another translation, Rich:

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> which do not depend upon people or wait for any mortal.

[20:44] <eden-VHL> in Gods timing not ours maybe rich

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> It didn't depend on what people did - even though....

[20:44] <Rich-VHL> 7thats kinda what I was thinking Bob

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> the Zionists and others were involved - God did it

[20:44] <Ani_Amin-VHL> Baruch haba hashem Adoni, Erev-tov, Shalom, God bless the seed of Abraham!!! Good night. Thank you.

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Good night, Amin!

[20:45] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Ani

[20:45] <Ken-VHL> good night ani

[20:45] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless Ani

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Shalom to you in the name of Jesus

[20:45] <calledout-VHL> 10good night Ani :)

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[20:45] <eden-VHL> Shalom Ani

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[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Now, contrast the "dew" verse to the next verse!

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> (Micah 5:7 NIV) The remnant of Jacob will be in the midst of many peoples like dew from the LORD, like showers on the grass, which do not wait for man or linger for mankind.

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> (Micah 5:8 NIV) The remnant of Jacob will be among the nations, in the midst of many peoples, like a lion among the beasts of the forest, like a young lion among flocks of sheep, which mauls and mangles as it goes, and no one can rescue.

[20:45] <Rich-VHL> 7ok

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> Whoa! Mauling and mangling!

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> Lion goring sheep!

[20:46] <calledout-VHL> 10:-O

[20:46] <eden-VHL> gruesome imagery

[20:46] <Ken-VHL> ariel means lion?

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> Uh huh

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Ken

[20:46] <Rich-VHL> 7the Lion of the tibe of Judah huh Bob

[20:47] <calledout-VHL> 10Jesus, the lion and the lamb

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Ultimately, Rich, but in the meantime...

[20:47] <eden-VHL> ok, go Ariel

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> it's also speaking of the troublesome nations around Israel

[20:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Shouldn't that be "no man can rescue?"

[20:47] <Rich-VHL> 7yes it is

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez?

[20:48] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Lord will do the rescuing, right?

[20:48] <eden-VHL> the malicious neighbours huh bob

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Yes, but in this case...

[20:48] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Bez

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Right eden

[20:48] <Rich-VHL> 7in the end Bez

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> In this case, the ones who are not rescued are the ones the lion (Israel) is mauling

[20:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Okay...

[20:49] <Rich-VHL> 7the arab nations of today

[20:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Duh....

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> Interesting, reading through Micah, there are a lot of these kind of "sound bites"

[20:49] <Rich-VHL> 7LOL Bez

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> short potent statements, without a whole lot of context

[20:50] <Rich-VHL> 7love em Bob

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Yeah :)

[20:50] <eden-VHL> dont you love the way everything in the Bible is cross referenced and linked up

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Uh huh!

[20:50] <Ken-VHL> how are we to take that, Bob?

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> What do you mean, Ken?

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[20:51] <Ken-VHL> Do we link them or will God explain

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[20:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi SKip

[20:52] <skip-VHL> 4HI ALL

[20:52] <red-VHL109> HEY SKIP GOOD TO SEE YOU

[20:52] <eden-VHL> hi skip

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Both, I guess - we may read a passage like 20 times and it doesn't quite click, but then the next time it does, because of something else we saw in the Scriptures, or our better understanding of the "big picture" - and of course, the illumination of the Holy Spirit

[20:52] <Rich-VHL> 7Bob can you find that verse in I think its Amos where God says He does nothing before He tells His prophets

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[20:53] <VCI-Bob> sure, Rich

[20:53] <Ken-VHL> Hi Skip

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[20:53] <Rich-VHL> 7hello skip

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> haha Liz - you stole my wife's line :)

[20:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, bring on that Holy Spirit!

[20:53] <skip-VHL> 4HI HI HI

[20:53] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> oops hubby accidentally logged me off to check his stock

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Hello Skip and Zoe! :)

[20:53] <Ken-VHL> Thanks

[20:53] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Zoe

[20:53] <zoe-VHL> Shalom

[20:53] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> oh sorry bob but i am pretty ssure we all use it LOL

[20:53] <red-VHL109> hi zoe didn't see you there

[20:53] <Rich-VHL> 7thats ok Liz

[20:54] <zoe-VHL> shlom everyone

[20:54] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> where did my T go hmmmmmmm maybe its with bobs crown

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> (Amos 3:6 NIV) When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble? When disaster comes to a city, has not the LORD caused it?

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> (Amos 3:7 NIV) Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Shalom Zoel!

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Hi Hi Hi Skip!

[20:54] <Rich-VHL> 7tha just about says it all huh Bob

[20:54] <Ken-VHL> Thanks again:-)

[20:54] <eden-VHL> Amen Bob

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Skip

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Sure, Ken :)

[20:55] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> bob what trib are you again...Please yall dont argue i just forgot

[20:55] <skip-VHL> 4so what is expected in Israel now with Sharon in the hot seat?

[20:55] <Rich-VHL> 7about God explaining Himself in the Bible

[20:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Pssst, LIz, (post)

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> What trib? I cause my wife tribulation? How's that? :)

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> LOL Bez

[20:55] <zoe-VHL> are we discussing politics in Israel?

[20:56] <eden-VHL> War and God wins, hallelujah

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Sure, Zoe - why not! :)

[20:56] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> ohhh ok lol bob

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Skip, what do you expect?

[20:56] <zoe-VHL> hey eden from australia??

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Very concise summary, Eden :)

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> God wins, and we cheer :)

[20:57] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> aamen eden that was good

[20:57] <eden-VHL> is that you zoe??? from NZ

[20:57] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> I see Jesus and I faint

[20:57] <zoe-VHL> i think and hope that Sharon will not compromise..yes Eden from NIUE now

[20:57] <eden-VHL> you went back home zoe?

[20:58] <red-VHL109> what is NIUE? Zoe

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Zoe, Sharon's crafty - he knows that Arafat will not settle for 42% of the "West Bank"

[20:58] <zoe-VHL> everyone is just about going off to watch Niue play canada yes am back on the rock eden

[20:58] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> lol bob

[20:58] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> is that a good crafty bob

[20:58] <Rich-VHL> 7gota get going friends Love you all in Jesus

[20:58] <skip-VHL> 4I figure Arafat will push things

[20:58] <zoe-VHL> NIUE is one of God's smallest gem of an island

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> And Sharon will offer no more than that, so even if Sharon say to them, "yes, you can have your state"

[20:58] <Ken-VHL> God Bless Rich

[20:59] <eden-VHL> Niue is a tropical island some people have a terrible life dont they?? LOL

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> it will not be on terms that they would accept, so it's a non-offer

[20:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Rich

[20:59] <skip-VHL> 4Shalom Rich

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[20:59] <VCI-Bob> See ya Rich! Shalom!

[20:59] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> nite rich

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz, a good crafty

[20:59] <red-VHL109> i lived on a tropical island once it was just ok

[20:59] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> great thank The Lord

[20:59] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> I pray He finds Jesus

[21:00] <Ken-VHL> Looks good on the news, Bob?

[21:00] <red-VHL109> of coarse it was a commericalized tropical island

[21:00] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> whats the story about the bricks bob

[21:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I don't think Adak, Alaska is considered tropical, but it is an Island, and I lived on it.

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Sharon, you should know... was the MAJOR architect and implementor for the original settlements after 67

[21:00] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> i read something real neat about bricks and sharon it was pretty amazing

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> recognizing, first of all, from a military perspective, the strategic value of that high ground, and....

[21:00] <zoe-VHL> well niue is in the south west pacific and is very hot right now:o)

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> also the historical significance of that area

[21:01] <eden-VHL> here too zoe, 40 deg yesterday

[21:01] <zoe-VHL> eden..sorry, i have missed chatting with you and Jane from Zimbabwe

[21:01] <red-VHL109> lol eden

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Ken, to me, it's just so fascinating to watch how things are playing out there

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> One can see God's hand very clearly

[21:01] <eden-VHL> me too zoe

[21:01] <Ken-VHL> Yes,

[21:02] <skip-VHL> 4how is Stan and his family doing?

[21:02] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> where sharon had bricks hidden in an area that they might need to travel and the only way they could get through this area would be on a road and it turned out they needed them in a war

[21:02] <zoe-VHL> the public service are now off to watch the sevens zoe..australia is playing too

[21:02] <Ken-VHL> prophecy in action!

[21:02] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> have you heard that story bob

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[21:02] <eden-VHL> LOL we'll win

[21:02] <zoe-VHL> hey guys..sorry if i am going off on rugby hehe!!:

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> Stan is doing well, though I have not talked with him in several days - we've both been extremely busy

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> Hi there Milly!

[21:03] <Ken-VHL> Bye, Zoe

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> Liz, I don't recall that one

[21:03] <red-VHL109> oh is that what you were talking about zoe, i hadn't the first clue lol

[21:03] <milly-VHL> hi, Bob & all

[21:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Milly

[21:03] <red-VHL109> hi milly

[21:03] <skip-VHL> 4hi Milly

[21:03] <Ken-VHL> HI, Milly

[21:03] <zoe-VHL> yes, the sevens game in wellington new zealand started 1 pm today

[21:03] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> ok hmm itwas amzing

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Sharon's biography is very interesting reading - entitled "Warrior"

[21:04] <milly-VHL> is this the soccer chat?

[21:04] <zoe-VHL> what is everyone's time there ? it is 3.05 pm here in Niue

[21:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2No, rugby, Milly.

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> It's 9:05 PM here in Manhattan

[21:04] <red-VHL109> its alittle after 9pm here

[21:04] <milly-VHL> oops

[21:04] <zoe-VHL> not soccer milly, rugby..just an aside

[21:04] <Ken-VHL> 8;07 in Missouri

[21:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2 6:05 PM in Western Washington.

[21:05] <eden-VHL> 1.05 pm friday

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> We are having our Thursday night "scrum" :)

[21:05] <milly-VHL> what have I missed --what do you think of sharon

[21:05] <milly-VHL> big question...been away..I'm behind

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> I think he needs to lose a few pounds - oh,you mean politically? :)

[21:05] <red-VHL109> lol

[21:05] <milly-VHL> glad you are still funny

[21:05] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> where can i get that bob is it online

[21:05] <skip-VHL> 4I sure dont understand Israels politics

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:06] <red-VHL109> you are in rare form tonight bob

[21:06] <Ken-VHL> comic relief?

[21:06] <zoe-VHL> I hope Sharon will follow what the Word says

[21:06] <milly-VHL> me also

[21:06] <Ken-VHL> Amen , Zoe

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> Zoe, very very few in Israel now really believe what the Word says....

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> and that is one of God's major objectives here....

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> want to hear what I was reading in the Bible about that today?

[21:07] <eden-VHL> I think that Sharon has been put there to do just that zoe

[21:07] <red-VHL109> YES

[21:07] <skip-VHL> 4sure

[21:07] <Ken-VHL> Yes

[21:07] <milly-VHL> absolutely

[21:07] <eden-VHL> yes

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> Isaiah 48 - I'll post it

[21:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You're always spot on, bob.

[21:07] <zoe-VHL> i would love to continue but duty calls and i have to do a cabinet submission and must leave..cheers

[21:08] <milly-VHL> bye, zoe

[21:08] <zoe-VHL> shalom everyone

[21:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bye Zoe.

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[21:08] <VCI-Bob> It's a bit of a scolding, and a waek up call for Israel

[21:08] <skip-VHL> 4bye zoe

[21:08] <red-VHL109> bye zoe God's blessing to you

[21:08] <Ken-VHL> bye zoe

[21:08] <eden-VHL> bye zoe good to talk to you again

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> cabinet submission? Is Zoe a president? :)

[21:08] <eden-VHL> works for the government

[21:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Small island?

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> Really?

[21:08] <eden-VHL> yes very small

[21:08] <Ken-VHL> !!!

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> I do a cabinet submission after grocery shopping - not the same, I guess :)

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> ok - on to Isaiah

[21:09] <eden-VHL> we went to same university

[21:09] <skip-VHL> 4lol

[21:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I thought she might be a carpenter.

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> Cool, Eden!

[21:09] <eden-VHL> LOL bez

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> It's so great to have international representation here!

[21:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen to that , Bob!

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> ok - in Isaiah 48, God states his case to Israel

[21:10] <Ken-VHL> Isaiah. . .

[21:10] <eden-VHL> :-)

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> first two verses are His intro:

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:1 NIV) "Listen to this, O house of Jacob, you who are called by the name of Israel and come from the line of Judah, you who take oaths in the name of the LORD and invoke the God of Israel-- but not in truth or righteousness--

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:2 NIV) you who call yourselves citizens of the holy city and rely on the God of Israel-- the LORD Almighty is his name:

[21:10] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> bob is this correct ariel real last name is "Sheinerman"

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> didn't hear that, Liz

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> The Lord continues:

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:3 NIV) I foretold the former things long ago, my mouth announced them and I made them known; then suddenly I acted, and they came to pass.

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:4 NIV) For I knew how stubborn you were; the sinews of your neck were iron, your forehead was bronze.

[21:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Kinda dense, huh?

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Once again, God vindicate His plans by stating that He announced them beforehand by the prophets, and then performed them

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Yeah

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> dense

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:5 NIV) Therefore I told you these things long ago; before they happened I announced them to you so that you could not say, 'My idols did them; my wooden image and metal god ordained them.'

[21:12] <eden-VHL> the stubborn people

[21:12] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> yeah i was searching for that article and found that

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> What's striking to me is that most Jews today still do not regard what God has done in the past and will do - a few do, most do not

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[21:13] <VCI-Bob> And so He continues to work on them....

[21:13] <Ken-VHL> sad:-(

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:6 NIV) You have heard these things; look at them all. Will you not admit them? "From now on I will tell you of new things, of hidden things unknown to you.

[21:13] <milly-VHL> don't the older folks hand the stories down

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Milly, now they have the Scriptures

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:7 NIV) They are created now, and not long ago; you have not heard of them before today. So you cannot say, 'Yes, I knew of them.'

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:8 NIV) You have neither heard nor understood; from of old your ear has not been open. Well do I know how treacherous you are; you were called a rebel from birth.

[21:14] <milly-VHL> I know but the miracles still happen for them periodically...

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> Here, God recites again the things He has done as evidence - and the things He has currently doing

[21:15] <milly-VHL> God has been faithful thruout

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> yes

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:9 NIV) For my own name's sake I delay my wrath; for the sake of my praise I hold it back from you, so as not to cut you off.

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:10 NIV) See, I have refined you, though not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:11 NIV) For my own sake, for my own sake, I do this. How can I let myself be defamed? I will not yield my glory to another.

[21:16] <eden-VHL> God lovingkindness and patience are incredible

[21:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2He will make absolutely sure that we know who is in charge...

[21:16] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> yes they are eden

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> God is refining Israel, even today - for His own sake, for His glory

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> Right, Bez

[21:16] <Ken-VHL> Right Bez

[21:16] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> amen bob

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Eden!

[21:16] <milly-VHL> Bob, if they don't believe...who is at the Wailing wall....few left who do?

[21:17] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> i was going through a trial last week and could not really pray all i said was Help Me Jesus and Guess what He did hallelujah

[21:17] <eden-VHL> He could wipe out everything just like that

[21:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The crucible for silver and the furnace for gold, but the LORD tests the heart. (NIV Prov 17:3)

[21:17] <Ken-VHL> Amen, Liz

[21:17] <eden-VHL> like that bez

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> Milly - just because people pray earnestly at the wailing wall, does not mean that their hearts are open for His Word - religious practice is one thing, an open heart is entirely different

[21:18] <eden-VHL> thats about submission right bob?

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez - and the testing means both refining, and preparation

[21:18] <Ken-VHL> Relationship v. religiousity

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Submission, faith, humility, yes

[21:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes...I hold this verse to get me through some days.

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Right, Ken

[21:18] <milly-VHL> I should know that...just hard to believe for Israel even tho they have done the same thruout there history

[21:19] <milly-VHL> breaks my heart

[21:19] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> bnob where can i find his Book

[21:19] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> bob oops

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> BUt - it won't always be this way - He has promised to give them a "new heart"

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> Not sure, Liz - try Amazon

[21:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen, hallelujah.

[21:19] <milly-VHL> praise Him

[21:20] <eden-VHL> but the Jews believe that they have been faithful to God dont they by not accepting Jesus

[21:20] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> ok i will

[21:20] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> whats it called

[21:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Warrior, Liz.

[21:21] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> ok thansk bez

[21:21] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> i cant type lol

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Eden, they think they have been faithful to their Jewishness - even those who do not believe in a personal God, which is quite a few, view it that way

[21:21] <eden-VHL> I thought so, thanks bob

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> In fact, you don't have to believe anything to be a Jew - but there is only ONE thing (in their mind) - that you CANNOT believe - that Jesus is the Messiah

[21:22] <Bezalel-VHL> 2It is hard to deny God's intercession in returning the Jews to Israel. They have gathered regardless of their religious leaning.

[21:22] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> so Bob when does he become PM

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez

[21:22] <eden-VHL> the one thing they SHOULD believe

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> Right, Eden, and WILL :)

[21:23] <Ken-VHL> :-)

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Liz, after he quilts together a coalition

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> which will take some doing

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> To me, this monologue in Isaiah is fascinating - listen to God recite His credentials again:

[21:23] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> oh really so if he did it tomorrow he be in power.... or whenever

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:12 NIV) "Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:13 NIV) My own hand laid the foundations of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they all stand up together.

[21:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Didn't I read that Labor is less likely to join the coaltion after Barak's resignation.

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> I guess so, Liz

[21:24] <Ken-VHL> all!!!

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Right Bez, they are in disarray

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> A commanding authority, huh Ken!

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Or the ultimate command performance!

[21:24] <eden-VHL> wow, He made everything, isn't He just awesome!!!!!

[21:24] <Ken-VHL> amen

[21:24] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> wow

[21:24] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> It blows me away that i am His Child

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Hard to fault THOSE credentials :)

[21:25] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> Pretty overwhelming

[21:25] <Ken-VHL> Yes, eden .AWESOME

[21:25] <eden-VHL> My God Lives, Amen

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> These verses have Messianic hints:

[21:25] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Was it you or Stan, Bob, who said it will be wonderful when we approach the throne and he points to us and says "I choose, ______".

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:15 NIV) I, even I, have spoken; yes, I have called him. I will bring him, and he will succeed in his mission.

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:16 NIV) "Come near me and listen to this: "From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens, I am there." And now the Sovereign LORD has sent me, with his Spirit.

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> me

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> Look at 15

[21:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Still makes me tingle....just thinking of it.

[21:27] <milly-VHL> wow

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> In 15, the Father is speaking - in 16, the Son

[21:27] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> wow is right

[21:27] <eden-VHL> yes thats it

[21:27] <Ken-VHL> WOW

[21:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Isaiah was writing this about 750 BC?

[21:28] <eden-VHL> He is coming in fire soon, amen

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> Fifteen speaks of the Father's commission of the Son, and guarantee of success

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> somewhere around there, Bez

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> and when God says, "I will" you better believe it WILL happen :)

[21:29] <Ken-VHL> That is really plain to see, Bob.

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, those verses are so very cool

[21:29] <eden-VHL> oh yes, His yes's are not our yes's

[21:29] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> amen eden

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> Remember the context here - this is important

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> the whole chapter is God upbraiding the Jews, and reminding them of who He is....

[21:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2He tellling them something new, so they can't claim the idols provided.

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> and here He gives them explicit directions regarding the Messiah

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> and then the Messiah speaks (see the trinity in v 16?)

[21:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, "with the Spirit"

[21:31] <Ken-VHL> Yes. Bob.

[21:31] <eden-VHL> father, son, holy spirit

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Right

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Now comes this:

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:17 NIV) This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go.

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 48:18 NIV) If only you had paid attention to my commands, your peace would have been like a river, your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

[21:33] <eden-VHL> a river=flowing, the sea=powerful

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Though this is speaking to Israel, v 18 applies to me - how many times I didn't listen to Him, and the peace in my life was disrupted because of it

[21:34] <skip-VHL> 4My prayers are for all of you to be well and keep trusting the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> because God's commands are always "best for us"

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> Thanks, Skip!

[21:34] <skip-VHL> 4see ya'll later Shalom

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> Shalom!

[21:34] <Ken-VHL> . Shalom, skip

[21:34] <eden-VHL> shalom skip

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[21:34] <milly-VHL> bye skip

[21:34] <milly-VHL> thanks\

[21:34] <itwasmyhusbands_faul> my wife says bye

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> (Psa 119:5 NIV) Oh, that my ways were steadfast in obeying your decrees!

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> (Psa 119:6 NIV) Then I would not be put to shame when I consider all your commands.

[21:35] <eden-VHL> in fact PERFECT for us

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> Bye Liz's husband :)

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[21:36] <eden-VHL> O wretched man that I am, why do I do the things I dont want to do, and not things I should do

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Right, perfect

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Oh yes Eden

[21:37] <Ken-VHL> yes,eden

[21:37] <eden-VHL> or woman LOL

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:38] <eden-VHL> love that verse if Paul had trouble in the flesh it encourages me

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Right - he was a great believer, but struggled greatly like we do

[21:38] <Ken-VHL> That's why he mentioned it

[21:39] <milly-VHL> have to go...nice to hear your voices again..have a blessed rest of the weel

[21:39] <milly-VHL> week

[21:39] <eden-VHL> Paul was probably the greatest Christian that ever lived so I find his words very encouraging

[21:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bye Milly

[21:39] <milly-VHL> and then some

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> I've heard a saying - we don't need great faith - we need faith in a great God

[21:39] <Ken-VHL> Bye, Milly

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> Bye Milly - stop in soon!

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Thanks for coming back! Shalom!

[21:40] <milly-VHL> that's agood one to leave on bob..bye

[21:40] <eden-VHL> bye milly, shalom

[21:40] <milly-VHL> i will thanks

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[21:40] <VCI-Bob> I like the story of Samson so much

[21:40] <eden-VHL> yes??

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> he was a very flawed individual, but

[21:41] <eden-VHL> he was strong when it counted?

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> He knew His God, He knew how great HE was, and He believed that God would act

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> It wasn't Samson at all - he was nothing special - but He knew God was, and didn't waver from that

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> even after all he messed up

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> AND.....

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> even better -

[21:42] <eden-VHL> oh yes, and he brought down the Phillistines

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> Samson's screwups were PROVIDENTIAL - to bring about God's ultimate aims

[21:43] <Ken-VHL> GOD WINS !!!

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> He knew how great his God was, even when chained up that that huge Philistine party

[21:43] <eden-VHL> yes there is no denying that every story in the Bible illustrates Gods aims and plans for us even today

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> right!

[21:44] <Ken-VHL> amen

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> So... all of us very flawed individuals can be assured that God will act through US :)

[21:45] <eden-VHL> yes please, I volunteer

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Amen, Eden!

[21:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Not many hills in Florida, Bob.

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> not many at all, Bez

[21:46] <Ken-VHL> Time for me to go. Thanks again, Bob. Bless you all.

[21:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Ken.

[21:46] <eden-VHL> bob, do you think that being in the Will of God is the only way to live your life?

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> God bless you, Ken :)

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Thanks for your great participation!

[21:47] <eden-VHL> bye Ken, shalom

[21:47] <Ken-VHL> Night Bez, Eden . Glad to be here !!!

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Eden, it's by far the easiest way, though it will be hard

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[21:48] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[21:48] <eden-VHL> I know you have to do hourly sometimes, commit yourself I mean

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> I wish I could say that my past were a model of that, but I'm resolved that my future will be, as much as possible

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Right, Eden

[21:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I think you and I have shared some gutters, Bob.

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Sometimes I look at myself and think, ok, God, why not just give me a new brain that will listen and be receptive

[21:49] <eden-VHL> we repented, we are saved, we are overcomers, hallelujah

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Yeah Bez

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Except most of mine were after I became a Christian, and fell away

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Hallelujah indeed!

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> God is our Redeemer!

[21:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2What's important is we are here, NOW!

[21:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And, I'm sure glad I made it.

[21:50] <eden-VHL> Amen and in the words of gran, wahooey

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Right! And He is pleased as He watches our daily endeavors to reach to Him in faith!

[21:51] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-), Eden.

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> And it's all because of what Jesus did on the cross for us!

[21:51] <eden-VHL> yes He is faithful to us, we of course have our moments!

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Thank you Jesus, for your amazing sacrifice, taking our sins on yourself!

[21:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You have delivered me from the world, and given me hope, faith and love.

[21:53] <eden-VHL> yes Lord, thank you for taking all the sin of the world to the cross

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> A hope that will not disappoint!

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Better than we can ever imagine!

[21:54] <eden-VHL> Thy Kingdom come

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> We must keep that in focus, so that we don't grow weary

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Yes! Jesus! Your Kingdom - let it happen soon!

[21:55] <eden-VHL> that is my greatest hope, to see Him in air and meet him

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> It's a sure thing!

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Judah will be inhabited forever and Jerusalem through all generations. (NIV Joel 3:20)

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> Good one!

[21:56] <eden-VHL> with Sharon now at the head of Israel, things could go a little faster?

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> they won't be boring, Eden :)

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> But it will be in God's timing, we'll see

[21:57] <eden-VHL> I am feeling excited about the coming events not fearful

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> Right!

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> Me too

[21:57] <eden-VHL> its Jesus in me, my flesh I am sure would faint

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> How many times did God say in the Scriptures to His people "Don't be afraid" - about a gazillion

[21:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Praise God, who gives us our faith, our strength.

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> It's time we paid attention to that :)

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Gazillion is a lot.

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> yes, in theological terms LOL

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2ROFL

[21:58] <eden-VHL> must be a jewish term?

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> Well, friends, time for me to absent myself :)

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2When compared to eternity, it's not that many.

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Thanks Bez, and Eden - you guys are great :)

[21:59] <eden-VHL> so good to talk to you again bob

[21:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Good Night, Bob and Eden....thank you all for the fellowship and support.

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Yes, - come back soon!

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Shalom!

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> See ya Bez!

[21:59] <eden-VHL> you too guys, God Bless You and your ministries

[21:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[21:59] <eden-VHL> Shalom

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