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[19:57] <VCI-Bob> Hello friends!!!

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[19:57] <VCI-Bob> Here we are, Thursday night once again!

[19:58] <called__out-VHL> 10Hi Bob :) How are you this eve, good to see you :)

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Gran!

[19:58] <Gran-VHL> 6shalom to all

[19:58] <Gran-VHL> 6:)

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Doing just great, Called!

[19:58] <called__out-VHL> 10Hi Gran ;)

[19:58] <called__out-VHL> 10Good Bob

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Happy in the Lord! :)

[19:58] <Gran-VHL> 6God bless called

[19:58] <called__out-VHL> 10God Bless you too Gran

[19:58] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob who is xVHL?

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> an optical illusion, Gran - it will go away

[19:59] <Gran-VHL> 6at least you got the crown Bob

[19:59] <Gran-VHL> 6oh my one of those things HUMMMM

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[19:59] <called__out-VHL> 10There's Bez :)

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> I was doing some Bible reading in preparation for tonight, and He blessed me good! :)

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> Hi Bez!

[19:59] <Gran-VHL> 6Delta said that Stan was ill Mon. Bob do you know how he is now?

[19:59] <Dex-VHL> 5Hi Yall

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> He's fine, Gran - just a nasty cold

[20:00] <Bezalel-VHL> Good evening Called, Dex, Gran, and Bob! :-)

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[20:00] <called__out-VHL> 10Hi Bez :)

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[20:00] <Dex-VHL> 5Man I was just listening to a song by Red Soveign. Roses for Mama. It makes me cry every time.

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 6Bez buddy shalom

[20:01] <called__out-VHL> 10:-O

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 6Dex that sounds good to me but then I cry easy

[20:01] <Bezalel-VHL> Hopefully, I'll be able to stick....:-)

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 6Oh Bob I am glad that is all Praise God

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Today in Israel, two men were gunned down by Palestinians in separate incidents

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Brutally murdered

[20:02] <Gran-VHL> 6I will not be able to stay very long as that old stomach pain has come back hard to sit upright for long

[20:02] <called__out-VHL> 10No end to it is there Bob

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> OK Gran - enjoy it!

[20:02] <Gran-VHL> 6OH dear bob I had not heard that

[20:02] <called__out-VHL> 10Gran :-(

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> It seems not, called, though we who have read the Book know it will soon end

[20:03] <called__out-VHL> 10PTL

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 6it seems that the more I pray for protection for Isreal and Jerusalem the more people get murdered

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> That is one thing I was praying today - God, how long will you let this happen before you act according to what you have declared?

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob where are we boing tonight???

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 6oops going

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> We are going to Jeremiah

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 6oh good

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[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Chapters 30 and 31

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Runningdear!

[20:04] <called__out-VHL> 10Hi Runningdear

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[20:04] <Dex-VHL> 5Hi Running!!!!!!

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[20:04] <Gran-VHL> 6deer shalom

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> If you are familiar with Jeremiah, you know that there are several major sections.... not chronologically arranged

[20:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Deer!

[20:04] <Gran-VHL> 6Ken didn't see you come in shalom

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> and the chapters 30-33 seem to me to be very significant

[20:05] <Ken-VHL> Shalom All:-)

[20:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Ken

[20:05] <called__out-VHL> 10Hi Ken, tell us more Bob

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> I would urge you to read those four in one sitting sometime, in a modern translation

[20:05] <Dex-VHL> 5Hi Ken

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Hi Ken!

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> We will start at the beginning of chapter 30 and look at selected passages tonight

[20:05] <Gran-VHL> 6Wow verse three says it all Bob

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Gran jumps in already! :) I like it :)

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6praise God for His word to us

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Yes!

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD: (Jeremiah 30:1 NIV)

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you. (Jeremiah 30:2 NIV)

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> The days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity and restore them to the land I gave their forefathers to possess,' says the LORD." (Jeremiah 30:3 NIV)

[20:06] <called__out-VHL> 10Amen

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6they are going home

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> You're right - verse 3 declares the theme, if you will, of much of what will follow in these chapters

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6Woopie wahooy

[20:07] <Gran-VHL> 6and amen

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Yeah!

[20:07] <called__out-VHL> 10PTL

[20:07] <Gran-VHL> 6\o/

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Amen sounds so religious - I like woopie wahooy better :)

[20:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen, Bob.

[20:07] <Gran-VHL> 6OKAY BOB go for it

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Well, verse 3 has lots in it:

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 6well Gran needs a little decorum sometimes Bob

[20:08] <Ken-VHL> Lead on Bob

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> "my people"

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 6He he

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> "restore them"

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 6yes resotore them

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> "the land I gave"

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Israel and Judah (both kingdoms)

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> "to possess"

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Very definitive statements regarding Israel and the land

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> yes, Bez

[20:09] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob I beleive that when it says bring them out of captivity he means what the world has done to them

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> No doubt about it - no uncertainties in this declaration

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Right, Gran

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[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6if they have not been in captivity I don't know what else to call it

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6sure glad we all agree

[20:10] <Runningdeer-VHL> Hello again

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6:)

[20:10] <Runningdeer-VHL> I got booted!

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6deer wb

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> God allowed it, and in fact ordained it, because of their past disobedience - and this chapter touchs briefly on that, but it's mostly about the restoration

[20:10] <Runningdeer-VHL> Thanks

[20:10] <Ken-VHL> Me too

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Oh dear deer!

[20:10] <Dex-VHL> 5Hi Running!!!!!!

[20:10] <Runningdeer-VHL> How is everyone this evening?

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Great!

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I got "recycled" shortly after arriving also.

[20:11] <Runningdeer-VHL> lol Bob

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 6ready to beat up the bad guys

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Now, the next few verses are controversial..........

[20:11] <Ken-VHL> Happy to be here

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 6with God's word

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> These are the words the LORD spoke concerning Israel and Judah: (Jeremiah 30:4 NIV)

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> "This is what the LORD says: "'Cries of fear are heard-- terror, not peace. (Jeremiah 30:5 NIV)

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Ask and see: Can a man bear children? Then why do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor, every face turned deathly pale? (Jeremiah 30:6 NIV)

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> How awful that day will be! None will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it. (Jeremiah 30:7 NIV)

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 6yes amen

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 6praise God

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Verse 7 is the verse that some commentators us to characterize the "tribulation" at "the time of Jacob's trouble" - as if that was it's primary purpose

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Which it is NOT NOT NOT

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> It will be a time of trouble for them, yes, but primarily it's God's wrath on the rebellious nations

[20:12] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> and notice...

[20:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Are you sure of that, Bob? :-)

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> "He will be saved out of it"

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> Sure am, Bez :)

[20:13] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:->

[20:13] <Ken-VHL> Not a lot of fun for Jacob

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[20:13] <VCI-Bob> No, bad times, but God will come to their rescue, as described many many other places in the Bible

[20:13] <Bezalel-VHL> 2However, won't Israel be protected from the AC/Satan's wrath?

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Hi there Jewdy!

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob I have a reference in Amos with that

[20:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Jewdy

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Right, Bez - we saw that in Rev 12 the other day

[20:14] <Jewdy-VHL> Hello everyone!

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran? Tell

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 6 5:18 but it does not make sense to me

[20:14] <Ken-VHL> shalom Jewdy

[20:14] <called__out-VHL> 10Hi Jewdy

[20:14] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi Jewdy

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 6Jewdy shalom

[20:14] <Jewdy-VHL> 10It's good to be here

[20:14] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I have a color change

[20:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And it will be OUR turn during AC's time....

[20:14] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light. (Amos 5:18 NIV)

[20:15] <Gran-VHL> 6Woe to you who deisre the day fo the Lord for what good is the day of the Lord toit wil be darkness and not light

[20:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2GMTA!

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Right - it will be a terrible time on the earth

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Will not the day of the LORD be darkness, not light-- pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness? (Amos 5:20 NIV)

[20:15] <Gran-VHL> 6Bez <g>

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> It

[20:15] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12GMTA?

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob also Dan 9:23

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> It is the day when God's patience towards rebellious mankind wears out, after the world has followed the "man of sin" wholeheartedly

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6and 12:1

[20:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Great Minds Think Alike (Bob and Gran)

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6havent read them yet

[20:16] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12oH OK

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> It will be a time of trouble for Israel, yes, but not primarily directed at them

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> On the contrary....

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> it will result in freedom for them, as we see in the next verse

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> "' In that day,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'I will break the yoke off their necks and will tear off their bonds; no longer will foreigners enslave them. (Jeremiah 30:8 NIV)

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Instead, they will serve the LORD their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them. (Jeremiah 30:9 NIV)

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Israel will rise, with Messiah Jesus as King

[20:17] <Gran-VHL> 6ch 9 is getting into theseventy weeks prophesy

[20:18] <Ken-VHL> Maranatha

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> When it says "David" there and other places, I believe it's not talking about David himself, but the Son of David, the Messiah

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Jesus!

[20:19] <Ken-VHL> Yeshua

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Yes!

[20:19] <Gran-VHL> 6and 12 shows us that Michael will stand up and your people shall be delievered I shortened that one

[20:19] <called__out-VHL> 10Jesus, there's just something about that name!

[20:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Okay, Bob. How will Jesus be raised up for them?

[20:19] <Gran-VHL> 6Yes Bob only Jesus can be that David

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Well, Bez - He was "raised up" on the cross, He was "raised up" from the dead, and He will be "raised up" to rule from Mt Zion!

[20:20] <Jewdy-VHL> 10Amen Bob

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[20:20] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Thank you, Bob. I just thought the term "raise up" was interesting.

[20:20] <Gran-VHL> 6amen Bob

[20:20] <iamherefinally-VHL> hi my friends

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez - thanks for pointing that out - I didnt' see it

[20:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi LIz.

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6Liz is that you?

[20:21] <called__out-VHL> 10Hi Liz

[20:21] <Jewdy-VHL> Hello

[20:21] <iamherefinally-VHL> had a real hard wek hubbys grandma died and hes been a wreck

[20:21] <iamherefinally-VHL> yep its me gran

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6you have a million of them. he he

[20:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Sorry to hear that Liz.

[20:21] <Ken-VHL> Hi Liz, sorry

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6oh dear Liz that is so sad. Will pray for family

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> So, in light of what God said in v 9, He says this:

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> "'So do not fear, O Jacob my servant; do not be dismayed, O Israel,' declares the LORD. 'I will surely save you out of a distant place, your descendants from the land of their exile. Jacob will again have peace and security, and no one will make him afraid. (Jeremiah 30:10 NIV)

[20:22] <called__out-VHL> 10sorry Liz

[20:22] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Right after the regional war....

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Once again (probably the most repeated promise in the Bible) - coming back to the land

[20:22] <Jewdy-VHL> So sorry Liz

[20:23] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi Lix

[20:23] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I'm sorry to hear about that

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Yes - they have been brought back to the land (partially) but do not have peace and security

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 6coming back to the land

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 6yes so come soon Lord Jesus

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> I am with you and will save you,' declares the LORD. 'Though I completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you, I will not completely destroy you. I will discipline you but only with justice; I will not let you go entirely unpunished.' (Jeremiah 30:11 NIV)

[20:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That's one promise that's been fulfilled!

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Except for the "completely destroy" part - that won't happen until Jesus comes back to crush the rulers and armies of the world

[20:25] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Right!

[20:25] <Ken-VHL> Destroy ALL the nations? Bob.

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> all

[20:26] <iamherefinally-VHL> hey you all i gotta run to the store i be back

[20:26] <called__out-VHL> 10see ya Liz

[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6all the world that has hated Isreal Ken

[20:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bye Liz.

[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6see ya liz

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> (see Isaiah 34 for details) :)

[20:27] <Ken-VHL> Leaving only Jesus' followers?

[20:27] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Bye Liz and God bless!

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> Well, yes, and a few survivors among the nations, according to Zechariah

[20:27] <Gran-VHL> 6amen Bob

[20:28] <Gran-VHL> 6where is that in Zec Bob

[20:28] <Ken-VHL> Thanks GRAN

[20:28] <Gran-VHL> 6you are welcome Ken

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. (Zechariah 14:16 NIV)

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain. (Zechariah 14:17 NIV)

[20:28] <Gran-VHL> 6oh thanks Bob

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Sure :)

[20:28] <Jewdy-VHL> How close is Israel to a regional conflict with Iraq and Russia?

[20:28] <Gran-VHL> 6have written reference down

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Now, back to Jeremiah 30.... the next few verses take a different tone

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> Can we defer that question, Jewdy? :)

[20:29] <Jewdy-VHL> Sure

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> and tackle it later? thanks

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> verses 12-17

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> "This is what the LORD says: "'Your wound is incurable, your injury beyond healing. (Jeremiah 30:12 NIV)

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> There is no one to plead your cause, no remedy for your sore, no healing for you. (Jeremiah 30:13 NIV)

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> This is looking back in time - that Israel seemed to be fatally wounded, with no one to help

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> while in exile for the many centuries

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> All your allies have forgotten you; they care nothing for you. I have struck you as an enemy would and punished you as would the cruel, because your guilt is so great and your sins so many. (Jeremiah 30:14 NIV)

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Why do you cry out over your wound, your pain that has no cure? Because of your great guilt and many sins I have done these things to you. (Jeremiah 30:15 NIV)

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> God reminds them that their plight was deserved - but even so, His compassion is great!

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> Now comes the restoration part:

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> "'But all who devour you will be devoured; all your enemies will go into exile. Those who plunder you will be plundered; all who make spoil of you I will despoil. (Jeremiah 30:16 NIV)

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> But I will restore you to health and heal your wounds,' declares the LORD, 'because you are called an outcast, Zion for whom no one cares.' (Jeremiah 30:17 NIV)

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> God heals the seemingly unhealable wounds

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> of Israel

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> and restores her

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> But I will restore you to health and heal your wounds,' declares the LORD, 'because you are called an outcast, Zion for whom no one cares.' (Jeremiah 30:17 NIV)

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> 6Woopie wahooy

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> 6so much for those that say that Zion is no good

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> 6and evil

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> That last phrase certainly still is evident throught the world - anti-Israel and anti-Jewish sentiment abounds

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Right, Gran :)

[20:33] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob I have been reading on forum some who decry Zion

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> God takes pity on them, like taking pity on a homeless person that no one cares about

[20:33] <Gran-VHL> 6they are sure on the wrong track

[20:33] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Even within the "Christian" world.

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Sure are, Gran

[20:33] <Gran-VHL> 6yes He surely will and is Bob

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> I think they call that the "wide" track, Gran :)

[20:33] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bez

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> if you get my drift

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> 6well yes you are right on there bob

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> 6yup

[20:34] <Ken-VHL> . . .that leads to destruction

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> 6sure do

[20:34] <called__out-VHL> 10Wide track that leads to distruction

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Right

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> 6amen

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> Well, we've seen a lot of good stuff so far in this chapter, but their is much more!

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 6amaziing how that leads into the NT

[20:35] <called__out-VHL> 10yeah

[20:35] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen!

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> God is the master of "sound bites" :)

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> He makes for great quotes :)

[20:35] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> "This is what the LORD says: "'I will restore the fortunes of Jacob's tents and have compassion on his dwellings; the city will be rebuilt on her ruins, and the palace will stand in its proper place. (Jeremiah 30:18 NIV)

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 6yup

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 6:)

[20:35] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12:-)

[20:36] <Ken-VHL> Only GOD is GREAT

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> Amen, Ken!

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> Woopie Wahooy!

[20:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Wahooy woopie!

[20:36] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12"

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 6woopie wahooy

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 6to make a quote

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> Now, watch close, because in the next few verses a Messianic promise will sneak up on you

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 6When will the world learn that God our God is a good God

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> From them will come songs of thanksgiving and the sound of rejoicing. I will add to their numbers, and they will not be decreased; I will bring them honor, and they will not be disdained. (Jeremiah 30:19 NIV)

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Their children will be as in days of old, and their community will be established before me; I will punish all who oppress them. (Jeremiah 30:20 NIV)

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 6a Father to the Father less

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Their leader will be one of their own; their ruler will arise from among them. I will bring him near and he will come close to me, for who is he who will devote himself to be close to me?' declares the LORD. (Jeremiah 30:21 NIV)

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Here is another translation:

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Their prince shall be one of their own, their ruler shall come from their midst; I will bring him near, and he shall approach me, for who would otherwise dare to approach me? says the LORD. (Jeremiah 30:21)

[20:37] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Established before me!

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> The "leader" or "prince

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> is of course the Messiah

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> and.... this tells us something about Him

[20:38] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen!!!!!

[20:38] <Ken-VHL> Of course!

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 6amen

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> that He is the only man who would dare or can dare approach the Father

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 6Prise His holy name

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> because He is the Son of God, the sinless, Holy One

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[20:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Woopie Wahooy!

[20:39] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12"

[20:39] <Ken-VHL> :-)

[20:39] <called__out-VHL> 10:->

[20:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And He willl punish the oppressors....

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bez

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> As Jesus Himself said:

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (John 6:46 NIV)

[20:40] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12And because we are covered in his righteousness and all of his holiness, we can also approach the Father

[20:40] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen.

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 6amen

[20:40] <Ken-VHL> Amen.

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Right, Runningdear!

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Their leader will be one of their own; their ruler will arise from among them. I will bring him near and he will come close to me, for who is he who will devote himself to be close to me?' declares the LORD. (Jeremiah 30:21 NIV)

[20:41] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12:-)

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Deer

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> He approaches the Father on our behalf, and has by His sacrifice removed the barrier that kept us from approaching

[20:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2We need to be ready for that time.

[20:41] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen!!!!!

[20:41] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12To freely approach his throne

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[20:42] <VCI-Bob> We also see an indication of the intimacy between the Father and Son in that verse

[20:42] <Ken-VHL> I am humbled. What a price to pay.

[20:42] <Nina-VHL> Hi

[20:42] <called__out-VHL> 10:>

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 6Nina shalom

[20:42] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Nina

[20:42] <Ken-VHL> Hi Nina

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. (Matthew 11:27 NIV)

[20:42] <Nina-VHL> Sorry I am late

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> Hi Nina!

[20:43] <Nina-VHL> How are you Bob

[20:43] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12amen

[20:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Son "chooses" to reveal!

[20:43] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12We can come to his throne without reservation

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 6oh boy thats us guys

[20:43] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12or hesitation

[20:43] <Nina-VHL> I missed you guys. Good scripture there Bob

[20:43] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom Nina

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> I'm good, Nina!

[20:44] <called__out-VHL> 10Good to see you Nina :)

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Their leader will be one of their own; their ruler will arise from among them. I will bring him near and he will come close to me, for who is he who will devote himself to be close to me?' declares the LORD. (Jeremiah 30:21 NIV)

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> "'So you will be my people, and I will be your God.'" (Jeremiah 30:22 NIV)

[20:44] <Nina-VHL> Thank you all

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> The result is that we can be His people!

[20:44] <Ken-VHL> Amen

[20:45] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12amen

[20:45] <called__out-VHL> 10Just think of that, We are His people

[20:45] <Nina-VHL> Amen and Amen, the only kinda of people to be

[20:45] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> And Israel, will once again be His people, because of God's faithfulness and the sacrifice of Messiah Jesus

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 6yes amen for sure

[20:45] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12and I am a jew by the divine nature

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 6me too deer

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 6all of us are oh boy

[20:45] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12amen

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> But now, an abrupt change, and very important verses:

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 6such a privalege

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> See, the storm of the LORD will burst out in wrath, a driving wind swirling down on the heads of the wicked. (Jeremiah 30:23 NIV)

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> The fierce anger of the LORD will not turn back until he fully accomplishes the purposes of his heart. In days to come you will understand this. (Jeremiah 30:24 NIV)

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 6and a blessing

[20:46] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes it sure is Gran

[20:46] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12It really is!

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[20:46] <VCI-Bob> This is repeated verbatim in another place in Jeremiah, and it speaks of the day of the Lord - because of the worlds' rejection of the Son of God, God's anger will finally burst forth

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> And His storm of anger will not relent

[20:47] <Nina-VHL> When His longsuffering will end

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Until He has done all the things we read about in the book of Revelation

[20:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Bowls of Revelation.

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> right

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> "fierce anger" - the terminology in these verses is awe-inspiring

[20:48] <Nina-VHL> Don't wanta be at the other end of that

[20:48] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes it is

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> If I get "fiercely anger" I might throw a plate or something - but what about when God gets that way??

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> Something to think about

[20:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Gulp.

[20:49] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes

[20:49] <Ken-VHL> Rather be on the other side of that

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 6yikks

[20:49] <Nina-VHL> My moms fierce anger was enuff to scare me to death LOL

[20:49] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12lol

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> And He will pour that fierce anger out on the world

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> without relenting

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 6yes and they have been warned

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 6but will not listen

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 6amen bob

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran

[20:50] <Nina-VHL> they seek after the flesh and not the spirit

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[20:50] <Nina-VHL> temporal not eternal

[20:50] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's right Nina

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 6believers are so guilty of being of the world and not just in it and they hear not also

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[20:51] <VCI-Bob> Now, another abrupt change in tone:

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> "At that time," declares the LORD, "I will be the God of all the clans of Israel, and they will be my people." (Jeremiah 31:1 NIV)

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> This is what the LORD says: "The people who survive the sword will find favor in the desert; I will come to give rest to Israel." (Jeremiah 31:2 NIV)

[20:51] <Nina-VHL> a lot of believers are not established in the word and therefore do not know

[20:51] <Nina-VHL> Rest to Israel at last

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> Sadly, yes, Nina

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Yes! Rest to Israel

[20:52] <Nina-VHL> That the world seeks is God given.....Rest in Israel

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> And what follows is more of His "love letter" to her:

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> The LORD appeared to us in the past, saying: "I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with loving-kindness. (Jeremiah 31:3 NIV)

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> I will build you up again and you will be rebuilt, O Virgin Israel. Again you will take up your tambourines and go out to dance with the joyful. (Jeremiah 31:4 NIV)

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 6that is so right Nina they are untaught

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 6or else just do not want to believe

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[20:53] <Nina-VHL> Yes dance. I cant wait to dance in the New Jerusalem

[20:53] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes that's right

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Michael!!

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Nina!

[20:53] <Ken-VHL90> Me too, Nina.

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 6amen Nina

[20:53] <michaelm6-VHL> 4hello bob

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 6with my tamburine in hand

[20:53] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Me either Ninia

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 6michael shalom

[20:54] <Nina-VHL> Those who preach against dance will be surprised when their feet take flight in that day

[20:54] <Bezalel-VHL> 2\o/ (As Gran would say)

[20:54] <called__out-VHL> 10Hi Michael :)

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Now look at this, in comparision with the situation in the West Bank today, where Jews cannot even walk without being murdered:

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Again you will plant vineyards on the hills of Samaria; the farmers will plant them and enjoy their fruit. (Jeremiah 31:5 NIV)

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> There will be a day when watchmen cry out on the hills of Ephraim, 'Come, let us go up to Zion, to the LORD our God.'" (Jeremiah 31:6 NIV)

[20:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I cannot wait for that dayt

[20:54] <michaelm6-VHL> 4hi gran,bez, called

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 6thats right

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Samaria and Ephraim are the West Bank

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[20:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shaalomj Michael

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> The Jews will have vineyards and farms there

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 6we need to pray that the people there will come to believe

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> with no one shooting at them

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[20:55] <Nina-VHL> Yes the West Bank there will be joy and dancing and fields of plenty

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 6yes wonderful promises of God our Father

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> And.. the watchmen will call out... what?

[20:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom Annie

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[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Right!

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Hi there Annie!

[20:55] <Annie-VHL> Shalom All

[20:56] <Ken-VHL90> Hi Annie

[20:56] <Nina-VHL> Holy

[20:56] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Annie

[20:56] <Nina-VHL> Hi those who have joined

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 6Holy holy is our God

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Verse 6 is reminiscient of the famous passage in Isaiah, repeated in Micah:

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. (Isaiah 2:2 NIV)

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. (Isaiah 2:3 NIV)

[20:56] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The watchmen will invite all to visit with the Lord.

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Right - go up to Jerusalem and see King Jesus!!!

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 6yes bob it looks like we need to post these scriptures in forum

[20:57] <Nina-VHL> Way kool and I can't wait the hear HIM preach

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 6about Zion

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Sure, Gran!

[20:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That is a really pastoral imagery

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 6I always feel so sad for those that reject Jesus and HIS truths

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bez it sure is

[20:58] <Nina-VHL> Me too, they don't have joy

[20:58] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I do too Gran!

[20:58] <Ken-VHL90> Well said , Bez.

[20:58] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That is why God has called me into the net ministry on here

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 6including our families

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 6oh wow deer

[20:59] <michaelm6-VHL> 4you probably already talked about this, but what is the deal with iraq and saudi?

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 6are you catching many?

[20:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Because I have a real burden ajnd compassion for the lost

[20:59] <Nina-VHL> For joy is not dependant on circumstances but on His faithfulnes and HE is Faithful

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> The next verse, is, I think, a directive for us believers:

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> can we get to that question in a few minutes, Michael?

[20:59] <michaelm6-VHL> 4ok

[20:59] <Nina-VHL> Praise God deer, that is missing in some churchs I fear

[20:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I have snagged several

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> Look carefully at this:

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> This is what the LORD says: "Sing with joy for Jacob; shout for the foremost of the nations. Make your praises heard, and say, 'O LORD, save your people, the remnant of Israel.' (Jeremiah 31:7 NIV)

[20:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 6wonderful

[21:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hallelujah!

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> God wants us to cry out to Him, to petition Him: , 'O LORD, save your people, the remnant of Israel.'

[21:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12But I have sowed into many, mnany lives here on the net

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[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 6annie shalom

[21:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Lives from all over the world

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> We are the ones who now know the Lord, and we are directed to call out on behalf of Israel, for their salvation

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6thats great deer

[21:01] <Annie-VHL> Yes I cry out to HIM each morning to save HIS people and to stay HIS wrath

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> So that they may know Him

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6I pray that God will increase your ministry to the lost

[21:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12amen

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6and all of us

[21:01] <Annie-VHL> Good for you Runningdeer

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6need to ask for that ministry as well

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[21:02] <Gran-VHL> 6keep that up Annie great

[21:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Thank you so much and I ask for all your prayers

[21:02] <Ken-VHL90> done, deer

[21:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12as I minister for him

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> And now, yet ANOTHER promise of Israel's return to the land (think He thinks it's an important point maybe?).....

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> See, I will bring them from the land of the north and gather them from the ends of the earth. Among them will be the blind and the lame, expectant mothers and women in labor; a great throng will return. (Jeremiah 31:8 NIV)

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> They will come with weeping; they will pray as I bring them back. I will lead them beside streams of water on a level path where they will not stumble, because I am Israel's father, and Ephraim is my firstborn son. (Jeremiah 31:9 NIV)

[21:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12To God be all the glory and praise!

[21:02] <Gran-VHL> 6well family I need to get off now as my sitter downer has gone to sleep again. Shalom and God bless each of you

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> Bye Gran!

[21:03] <Ken-VHL90> Bye Gran

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[21:03] <Nina-VHL> God Bless Gran

[21:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Bye Gran!

[21:03] <Gran-VHL> 6by dear ones BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[21:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Gran

[21:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I love you in Jesus!

[21:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Bye and God bless you!

[21:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2WB LIz

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[21:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12(((((((((((((((((((Gran))))))))))))))))))))))

[21:03] <Ken-VHL90> WB Liz

[21:03] <Annie-VHL> I have a request for all of you to please take the time to send a card or note to Brenda as she is suffering depression after having a second breast removed, her email is dovecry@homewithGod.net, write it down please

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> Verses 8 and 9 remind me of the stories and pictures I have seen about the aliyah from Ethopia, for example

[21:03] <imback_Really-VHL> thanks yall

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Thanks, Annie, for letting us know about her - she used to come in here a lot

[21:04] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok Annie

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[21:05] <calledout-VHL761> Where did everyone go?

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Brenda, if you read this - we love you - cheer up girl, God only has good things in store for you!!!

[21:05] <Ken-VHL90> Where are you now , Bob?

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[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Jer 31:8-9

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> See, I will bring them from the land of the north and gather them from the ends of the earth. Among them will be the blind and the lame, expectant mothers and women in labor; a great throng will return. (Jeremiah 31:8 NIV)

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> They will come with weeping; they will pray as I bring them back. I will lead them beside streams of water on a level path where they will not stumble, because I am Israel's father, and Ephraim is my firstborn son. (Jeremiah 31:9 NIV)

[21:05] <Ken-VHL90> :-)

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Comments on those verses, anyone?

[21:06] <michaelm6-VHL> 4is this the return of the jews to the home land?

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> Sure is, Michael!

[21:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2He's going to clear the way for their return....welcoming them with Love.

[21:07] <michaelm6-VHL> 4who is Ephraim?

[21:07] <calledout-VHL761> All will be accepted

[21:07] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen calledout

[21:07] <Nina-VHL> When I was there the return was obvious from all over, Russia, Ethiopia...they were flocking in

[21:07] <calledout-VHL761> They will find rest, beside streams of water

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> It strikes me that we often see the return to the land mentioned in conjunction with spiritual renewal for them - though we know it's a "phased" process, the two go together, and the latter is not long in coming!

[21:07] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's what it means

[21:07] <Nina-VHL> Amen Bob

[21:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Specifically mentioning the North is today. There are still a large number of Jews living in Russia.

[21:08] <Ken-VHL90> SPIRITUAL renewal!!!

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Ken!

[21:09] <Ken-VHL90> Amen,

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> This next verse strikes me in this way, like God is saying, "Sit up and take note, all you nations, at what I am going to do for Israel":

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> "Hear the word of the LORD, O nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: 'He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.' (Jeremiah 31:10 NIV)

[21:10] <Nina-VHL> And The Good Shepherd will not let the wolves destroy

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> Like, you dummies at the UN, pay attention - God is watching out for Israel! It doesn't matter how many 145-1 votes against her you take

[21:10] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Amen Nina

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> For the LORD will ransom Jacob and redeem them from the hand of those stronger than they. (Jeremiah 31:11 NIV)

[21:10] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's riught

[21:11] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> That was fulfilled in part in 1948, when Israel only had small arms (rifles mainly) and was outnumbered 100-1 against six modern armies with tanks and artillery

[21:12] <Ken-VHL90> That ONE was GOD

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> like your local high school football team beating the Baltimore Ravens :)

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> or worse

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Right, Ken!

[21:12] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok

[21:13] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen Ken!

[21:13] <Annie-VHL> Running I can't get you back as I X" out and it won't come back

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> More joy:

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> They will come and shout for joy on the heights of Zion; they will rejoice in the bounty of the LORD-- the grain, the new wine and the oil, the young of the flocks and herds. They will be like a well-watered garden, and they will sorrow no more. (Jeremiah 31:12 NIV)

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Then maidens will dance and be glad, young men and old as well. I will turn their mourning into gladness; I will give them comfort and joy instead of sorrow. (Jeremiah 31:13 NIV)

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> This is fairly straightforward stuff huh? Easy to understand, plain, simple?

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> What God will do for Israel

[21:14] <Ken-VHL90> Yes,

[21:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Uh-huh.

[21:14] <calledout-VHL761> I believe so

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> Should we keep going in Jeremiah, or go to questions?

[21:15] <Ken-VHL90> now, go on

[21:15] <Annie-VHL> We also want to keep praying for our country and for God to have mercy on us and heal our nation

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> The next verse should be very familiar:

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> This is what the LORD says: "A voice is heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because her children are no more." (Jeremiah 31:15 NIV)

[21:16] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen Annie

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[21:16] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Catalina!

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> Where in the New Testament is that referred to?

[21:16] <Annie-VHL> Hi Cat

[21:16] <Catalina-VHL> Shalom all

[21:16] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom Cat and God bless you

[21:16] <Ken-VHL90> Was that not when Herod killed the babies?

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[21:16] <VCI-Bob> Right, Ken

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> In the region of Bethlehem

[21:17] <Ken-VHL90> Hi Cat

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> But, you know what, as important as that is, it's not even the primary meaning of that verse in Jeremiah - in the historical context, it's referring to the grief of exile

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> This is what the LORD says: "A voice is heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because her children are no more." (Jeremiah 31:15 NIV)

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> This is what the LORD says: "Restrain your voice from weeping and your eyes from tears, for your work will be rewarded," declares the LORD. "They will return from the land of the enemy. (Jeremiah 31:16 NIV)

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> And the Lord comforts them

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> and assures them once again

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> So there is hope for your future," declares the LORD. "Your children will return to their own land. (Jeremiah 31:17 NIV)

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[21:19] <VCI-Bob> Isn't that a great thing, when God tells US, "there is hope for your future" - at the time we feel hopeless?

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> And here He does the same for Israel

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> OK - everyone is so quiet now - let's take a break from Jeremiah

[21:20] <Ken-VHL90> Jeremiah 33:3Bob.

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Ken :)

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> 'Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.' (Jeremiah 33:3 NIV)

[21:20] <Ken-VHL90> That better than 911

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Sure is!

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[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Who had questions - please repeat them

[21:21] <Nina-VHL> Sorry, got lost there for a miniute

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Seems like there were two similar questions

[21:21] <imback_Really-VHL> did you talk about Isaih 29 yet Bob

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Welcome back, Nina

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> no, we didn't, not tonight anyway, Liz

[21:22] <Ken-VHL90> About Saudi-Iraq?

[21:22] <Catalina-VHL> What is it in Isaiah about the verse that talks about Ariel?

[21:22] <Catalina-VHL> what does this mean?

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> OK, first Saudi-Iraq, then Isaiah

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Ken, many news reports indicate that the Arab countries who had been at odds are cozying up

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Syria-Iraq

[21:23] <imback_Really-VHL> yeah Bob true

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> and Saudi-Iran

[21:23] <imback_Really-VHL> pretty amazing whats going on

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> with a common objective and motivation, of course - hatred of Israel

[21:23] <Nina-VHL> Cnn is saying the news about Iraq having nuclear weapons is unfounded and from an irresponsible sourcer

[21:23] <Annie-VHL> They call it teaming up!!

[21:24] <Ken-VHL90> Oh! I think Michael had a question

[21:24] <michaelm6-VHL> 4same one

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[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Nina, that may be a smoke screen

[21:24] <Ken-VHL90> OK

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[21:24] <Annie-VHL> CNN one sided news

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[21:24] <imback_Really-VHL> hey CNN is carrying live extended coverage tuesday yeahhhhhhhhhh

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Government intelligence agencies often "leak" such things to the press for their own purposes

[21:24] <Nina-VHL> I thought so, especially since they fear that it will affect our ecomony negatively even more.

[21:24] <michaelm6-VHL> 4no way, not a network started by ted turner

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Right, Nina

[21:25] <Annie-VHL> Running here is my email MBuster2000@aol.com as I can't get you on here

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> CNN is incredibly one-sided

[21:25] <imback_Really-VHL> starting at 3pm est tuesday with christiane amanpour

[21:25] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12ok

[21:25] <Ken-VHL90> Not the right side either

[21:26] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Thanks

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> Liz, I heard a report by her today about the "refugees" that was so biased it was nauseating

[21:26] <Nina-VHL> I love her name but hate her politics Christiane

[21:26] <imback_Really-VHL> so its official Bob barak vs Sharon right?

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz

[21:26] <imback_Really-VHL> hahahahaha

[21:26] <imback_Really-VHL> yep but i will be watching

[21:26] <imback_Really-VHL> only live TV i can find and i will beglued to tv

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> I believe the deadline for a switch to Peres has passed

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> today

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> So Barak is the Labor candidate

[21:27] <imback_Really-VHL> yeah at 12 their tiome which was 5 our time

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> And Sharon is leading in the polls by 20 points or so

[21:27] <imback_Really-VHL> why is barak so d*mb and stayin in this

[21:27] <Annie-VHL> What about Bibi coming in?

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> Why do you think, Liz?

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> No, Annie, he won't - because...

[21:28] <imback_Really-VHL> i dont have a clue Bob Help Me???

[21:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2He's a Clinton protege!

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> Bibi sees the current compostion of Knesset and knows that it's no-win

[21:28] <imback_Really-VHL> whats he gonna ask for recounts and have the Florida people come down lol

[21:28] <Annie-VHL> Clone's

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> Could be ego, perhaps, Liz, or a certainty that he has the best solution

[21:28] <imback_Really-VHL> oh i know he had that palm beach lady desin the ballots

[21:28] <Ken-VHL90> I confess I dont understand Israeli politics

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> It's rather confusing Ken

[21:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Sharon has to use Knesset ministers for the cabinet, right Bob?

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Not sure, Bez

[21:30] <Ken-VHL90> Our LORD is not the author of confussion.

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> Because someone asked Bibi if he would consider the post of foreign minister, and Bibi is not an MK

[21:30] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I don't understand any politics that well

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> a reporter, that is

[21:30] <imback_Really-VHL> bob when will you have transcript up???

[21:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Okay. I'm confused on the formation of the government....coalition...whatever.

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> I'll put it on my website tomorrow, and stan will put it on VHL tomorrow also

[21:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That's not necessarily a bad thing, Deer.

[21:31] <imback_Really-VHL> i gotta go spend time with hubby

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Bez, after the election....

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> the PM has so many days (30 if I remember) to put together a majority coalition

[21:31] <Ken-VHL90> Good Luck Liz,Shalom

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[21:32] <VCI-Bob> See ya Liz!

[21:32] <Nina-VHL> I gotta get ready to go to work YuckyI

[21:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Liz. Keep on, keeping on.

[21:32] <Catalina-VHL> shalom again I had to log off and then on again

[21:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Nina.

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Bye Nina! Shalom to you!

[21:32] <Ken-VHL90> Nina, Shalom

[21:32] <Nina-VHL> Bye God Bless

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[21:32] <Annie-VHL> Me too I have to leave and spend time with my hubby, keep praying and God bless you All

[21:32] <Catalina-VHL> hey liz where are you?

[21:32] <Ken-VHL90> Annie Shalom

[21:32] <Catalina-VHL> so bob did you explain the verse about Ariel?

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Bye Annie!

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Not yet - let's go there now

[21:33] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Annie.

[21:33] <Catalina-VHL> okay, I had to log off and back on

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[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Woe to you, Ariel, Ariel, the city where David settled! Add year to year and let your cycle of festivals go on. (Isaiah 29:1 NIV)

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Yet I will besiege Ariel; she will mourn and lament, she will be to me like an altar hearth. (Isaiah 29:2 NIV)

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> This is talking of Jerusalem

[21:33] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Byer to all who are leaving

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[21:34] <VCI-Bob> I will encamp against you all around; I will encircle you with towers and set up my siege works against you. (Isaiah 29:3 NIV)

[21:34] <Catalina-VHL> okay, just wondering I did not know if it might have been talking about Ariel Sharon

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> No

[21:34] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom Rich

[21:34] <Catalina-VHL> just a coincedence

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> It's speaking of first curses, then blessings on Jerusalem

[21:34] <Ken-VHL90> Hi Rich

[21:34] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12How are you?

[21:34] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Bez, Cat, Im, Ken, mich, deer, Bob

[21:34] <Catalina-VHL> okay, someone brought that up on another site

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> Remember when Isaiah was written

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 7very well deer thank you

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> in the 700s BC, quite a few years before the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BC....

[21:35] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Rich

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> Woe to you, Ariel, Ariel, the city where David settled! Add year to year and let your cycle of festivals go on. (Isaiah 29:1 NIV)

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 7good to see ya Bez

[21:35] <Catalina-VHL> hiya rich, long time no see

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> God says... keep on with your religious motions, year after year, but know that I will destroy Jerusalem.....

[21:36] <Rich-VHL> 7running late tonight Cat how are ya

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Yet I will besiege Ariel; she will mourn and lament, she will be to me like an altar hearth. (Isaiah 29:2 NIV)

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> I will encamp against you all around; I will encircle you with towers and set up my siege works against you. (Isaiah 29:3 NIV)

[21:36] <Catalina-VHL> I am doing great

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[21:36] <VCI-Bob> The Babylonians would besiege Jerusalem, but look - in v 2 and 3, God is saying: "I" am going to do it

[21:36] <pooler-VHL> hi all

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Hello Pooler!

[21:36] <Ken-VHL90> pooler shalom

[21:36] <Rich-VHL> 7hi pooler

[21:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Pooler

[21:37] <Catalina-VHL> well one thing is for sure Tuesday should be a very interesting day

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> But next, we see one of those wonderful near/far prophecies:

[21:37] <michaelm6-VHL> 4hi pooler

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> Brought low, you will speak from the ground; your speech will mumble out of the dust. Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth; out of the dust your speech will whisper. (Isaiah 29:4 NIV)

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> But your many enemies will become like fine dust, the ruthless hordes like blown chaff. Suddenly, in an instant, (Isaiah 29:5 NIV)

[21:37] <Rich-VHL> 7ok Bob

[21:37] <Ken-VHL90> Those I have trouble with , Bob

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> God would greatly humble Jerusalem, so that they are laid as low as you can go

[21:38] <Rich-VHL> 7the enemy will be lower tha the Jewish folks huh

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Notice the irony? Israel would be "in the dust" - but her enemies would be come like dust

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[21:38] <VCI-Bob> and when will that be?

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> But your many enemies will become like fine dust, the ruthless hordes like blown chaff. Suddenly, in an instant, (Isaiah 29:5 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> the LORD Almighty will come with thunder and earthquake and great noise, with windstorm and tempest and flames of a devouring fire. (Isaiah 29:6 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> When the Lord comes

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 7praise God

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[21:39] <VCI-Bob> To pour out His anger on the enemies of Israel - the rebellious nations

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> Then the hordes of all the nations that fight against Ariel, that attack her and her fortress and besiege her, will be as it is with a dream, with a vision in the night-- (Isaiah 29:7 NIV)

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> as when a hungry man dreams that he is eating, but he awakens, and his hunger remains; as when a thirsty man dreams that he is drinking, but he awakens faint, with his thirst unquenched. So will it be with the hordes of all the nations that fight against Mount Zion. (Isaiah 29:8 NIV)

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen

[21:40] <imback_Really-VHL> so who what is ariel here bob

[21:40] <Catalina-VHL> and that is coming soon

[21:40] <Catalina-VHL> jerusalem

[21:40] <Rich-VHL> 7yes it is Cat

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> So, in 8 amazing verses, we go all the way from the siege of the Babylonians, the siege of the Romans, the horrid centuries of exile, to the return of the Lord to redeem Israel!

[21:40] <imback_Really-VHL> ok

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Ariel is Jerusalem

[21:40] <Ken-VHL90> Great, Bob

[21:40] <Catalina-VHL> did you think it was Ariel Sharon too?

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> no

[21:41] <imback_Really-VHL> so isIsrael probably getting a PM whose name means what Bob

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> he's not a "her" :)

[21:41] <Catalina-VHL> liz you got that off of WEDG didn't you? heheh

[21:41] <michaelm6-VHL> 4got to go

[21:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Sounds like the enemies will "wake up" when He returns.

[21:41] <imback_Really-VHL> yep hahahaha

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[21:41] <VCI-Bob> See ya Michael!

[21:41] <Catalina-VHL> I just realized it was liz. hehehe

[21:41] <Ken-VHL90> Shalom mike

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Right, Bez - wake up to a very very bad dream

[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7by mich

[21:41] <Catalina-VHL> Hey Liz you are not a man, I hope you know that. LOL

[21:42] <imback_Really-VHL> hahah

[21:42] <Rich-VHL> 7is that you Liz

[21:42] <Bezalel-VHL> 2All their power from their dreams will not satisfy them

[21:43] <Ken-VHL90> Right Bez

[21:43] <Rich-VHL> 7they think they are only fighting Israel huh Bez

[21:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> What an awakening, when the see the Lord God appear overhead to defend Jerusalem!

[21:43] <Catalina-VHL> they will surely find out they are not and what a big surprise they are going to have

[21:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 2ROFL, Bob.

[21:43] <Rich-VHL> 7wouldn't want to be in their shoes huh Bob

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> I have a very cool verse about that

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> Right, Rich

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> This is what the LORD says to me: "As a lion growls, a great lion over his prey-- and though a whole band of shepherds is called together against him, he is not frightened by their shouts or disturbed by their clamor-- so the LORD Almighty will come down to do battle on Mount Zion and on its heights. (Isaiah 31:4 NIV)

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> Like birds hovering overhead, the LORD Almighty will shield Jerusalem; he will shield it and deliver it, he will 'pass over' it and will rescue it." (Isaiah 31:5 NIV)

[21:44] <Ken-VHL90> share

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> Praise the Lion of Judah, who will prevail!

[21:45] <Catalina-VHL> God is Awesome!!!

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 7oh what a Blessed Hope huh Bob

[21:45] <Ken-VHL90> AMEN!

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Rich!

[21:45] <Catalina-VHL> we are all waiting for our Blessed Hope!!!

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 7I guess its not hope though is it it is a fact

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> The LORD Almighty is "Yahweh of Hosts" - or Yahweh, leader of the armies of heaven!

[21:46] <Rich-VHL> 7to be done when the time is right

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Hope means a certain expectation

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> certain, sure, without a doubt

[21:46] <Rich-VHL> 7Ok I'm glad for that

[21:47] <Ken-VHL90> Amen

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> A future fact :)

[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 7not too distant either Bob

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Coming soon :)

[21:48] <Catalina-VHL> this is what you would say is a Coming Attraction!!!

[21:48] <Ken-VHL90> MARANATHA

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Oh yeah!

[21:48] <Rich-VHL> 7then the Glory of the Lord will be upon us all

[21:48] <Catalina-VHL> :-)

[21:48] <Catalina-VHL> ;-)

[21:49] <Rich-VHL> 7won't it be a magnicent sight to behold everyone

[21:49] <Rich-VHL> 7magnificent

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Sure will, Rich!

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> And that's what we are supposed to keep our longing and expectation set on

[21:50] <Catalina-VHL> definitely not on earthly things

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> so we don't become too comfortable and satisfied here

[21:50] <Rich-VHL> 7we try

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Because this world is passing away

[21:50] <Catalina-VHL> we are visitors only

[21:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And the world will continue to "blame" the Lord for their sins....still not accepting responsibility for their own actions.

[21:50] <Rich-VHL> 7isn't that true Bez

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> it's corrupt, and will only be destroyed - we are looking for a "better city"

[21:51] <Catalina-VHL> does anyone political come to mind? ;-)

[21:51] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Too numerous to mention, Cat.

[21:51] <Rich-VHL> 7The Holy City Of God

[21:51] <Catalina-VHL> that is for sure

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. (Hebrews 11:14 NIV)

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. (Hebrews 11:15 NIV)

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. (Hebrews 11:16 NIV)

[21:52] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen Amen

[21:52] <Catalina-VHL> and what a glorious city it's going to be

[21:52] <Ken-VHL90> Do you have something in mind for next week yet, Bob?

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Yes, we have NO IDEA

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> no, Ken

[21:53] <Catalina-VHL> maybe he will have an idea after the election :-)

[21:53] <Ken-VHL90> OK I'll look for your posting

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> you have a suggestion?

[21:53] <Rich-VHL> 7Bob can you find the verses in Malachi I think where it says that in the end times the people of God will talk amoungst themselves

[21:54] <Ken-VHL90> No But you are doing well

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Then those who feared the LORD talked with each other, and the LORD listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the LORD and honored his name. (Malachi 3:16 NIV)

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> "They will be mine," says the LORD Almighty, "in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. (Malachi 3:17 NIV)

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not. (Malachi 3:18 NIV)

[21:55] <Catalina-VHL> I like that last verse alot

[21:55] <Catalina-VHL> so true

[21:55] <Catalina-VHL> we can tell alot now

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[21:55] <Ken-VHL90> Plain and simple!

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Yes, those are marvelous words

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2WB Deer

[21:55] <Catalina-VHL> ONE example look at Bush and look at Clinton

[21:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> <BluHi

[21:55] <Rich-VHL> 7just think everyone we're fulfilling prophecy

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> But you know what that was in response to?

[21:55] <Catalina-VHL> what????

[21:56] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I lost my connection to the website and had a very hard time getting back on

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> People who got discouraged, were ready to give up, and say, "what difference does it make if I follow the Lord"?

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 7what Bob

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> "You have said, 'It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the LORD Almighty? (Malachi 3:14 NIV)

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.'" (Malachi 3:15 NIV)

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> They were saying - look at the "bad people" they are doing just fine, even better than me - why should i keep on serving the Lord?

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 7I hope not us here

[21:56] <Catalina-VHL> So true that is the way Ifeel. It seems like the evil people get away with everything, even though we know their day is coming

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> We have all felt like that at times, I would suppose

[21:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Isn't that from today's headlines, Bob?

[21:57] <Ken-VHL90> You have your finger on it, Bob

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> and God's reassurance is what we should remember - what will happen in the end

[21:57] <Rich-VHL> 7only Jesus can keep us in Him

[21:57] <Catalina-VHL> It seems like they can do anything and they don't get caught, one thing is for sure they have someone helping them and it most certainly is not God

[21:58] <Rich-VHL> 7right there Cat

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-) Cat

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2They get caught, Cat, they just don't have to face the consequences.

[21:58] <Catalina-VHL> If you get my drift ;-)

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> "They will be mine," says the LORD Almighty, "in the day when I make up my treasured possession." Can you IMAGINE! The God of the universe will POINT AT YOU! And say- "THIS ONE IS MINE!"

[21:59] <Catalina-VHL> right now that is. But one thing is THEIR DAY IS COMING!!!!

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 7I still like to know we're are fulfilling prophecy don't you all

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> It's gonna happen

[21:59] <Ken-VHL90> Thank you, Bob.

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 7ame

[21:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Rich!

[21:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Amen

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen

[21:59] <Catalina-VHL> we are not only fulfilling it but we are living it, I think this is the next best thing than being on the earth when Jesus walked on the earth

[22:00] <Rich-VHL> 7me too Cat

[22:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I think so too cAT

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> as sure as you are sitting in that chair - The Lord will look at you, in front of the entire universe, and say, "_____ is MINE!"

[22:00] <Catalina-VHL> I think that would have been such an incredible time

[22:00] <Rich-VHL> 7Glory be huh

[22:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Thank You Lord!

[22:00] <Catalina-VHL> has anyone seen the video "Where Jesus Walked" very good video

[22:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Oh amen Bob!!!

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 7not yet Cat

[22:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hallelujah!!!!!!!!

[22:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12No

[22:01] <Catalina-VHL> very very good

[22:01] <Catalina-VHL> you can get it at most Christian stores

[22:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> 122 weeks ago our chuirch showed the movie Left Behind

[22:02] <Catalina-VHL> yes it was good of course not quite as good as the book

[22:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That was the first time I saw it

[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 7don't forget yourself in that Bob

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Thanks Rich - I do have to remind myself of that

[22:02] <Catalina-VHL> BTw - Kirk Cameron and his wife are going to be on a show on Fox News Channel on Saturday morning starting at 7:00 a.m. CST. They are going to talk about this movie

[22:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Oh they are?

[22:03] <Ken-VHL90> Shalom, Bez, Cat, Liz, Rich, RD and Bob. Thanks for a good night.

[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 7thats why I like to read those verses Bob

[22:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Ken.

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> See ya Ken! Shalom!

[22:03] <Ken-VHL90> :-)

[22:03] <Catalina-VHL> you too Ken

[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless Ken

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Good advice, Rich

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[22:04] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Did Dex leave for the night?

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Apparently

[22:04] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok

[22:04] <Rich-VHL> 7Apparently what Bob

[22:04] <Catalina-VHL> Well personally I think next week should be quite interesting

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Dex

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it should be extremely interesting

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> a critical week

[22:05] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12He could have got bumped off like I did

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> The Arabs know that Sharon will not give them what they want, and they hate him

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 7Sharon is still leading Barak isn't he bob

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> By a lot, Rich

[22:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm wondering what Sharon's first actions will be?

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 7good good good

[22:06] <Catalina-VHL> wasnt there a deadline today as to turning over the race to Peres to run against Sharon

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> And, Barak won't have the Arab vote - most of them will sit ut the election

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> Right, Catalina

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 7I hope to take the p.a. menace away Bez

[22:06] <Catalina-VHL> barak has had his chance and he BLEW it:-*

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> Bez, Sharon does not WANT war, I'd imagine he will try to keep things calm

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 7yup Cat

[22:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I wonder if Barak will clear the valuables from the official residence?

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> but the Palestinians will not oblige him, I would think

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> Catalina, he blew it because he had the wrong intentions - appeasement

[22:07] <Rich-VHL> 7LOL Bez like someone we know of huh

[22:07] <imback_Really-VHL> do you think antthing will happen before elections bob saddam maybe making a dumb move

[22:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm sure the PA will turn up the volume on the violence machine.

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> not to mention, ignoring what GOD has said!

[22:07] <Catalina-VHL> yea arafat wants peace like he wants a hole in the head:-O

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> Liz, the situation is so volatile, anything could spark it anytime

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> then again, it might continue to simmer for some time

[22:08] <imback_Really-VHL> yep im waiting to wake one morning soon and something big ahppening

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez

[22:08] <Catalina-VHL> they have already started again, look at today. As long as the negotiations were on things slowed down some but now its escalating again

[22:09] <imback_Really-VHL> barak is done talking with arafat till after elctions right???

[22:09] <Rich-VHL> 7the arab nations are lining up now against Israel when they feel its right they will attack

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> Right - how can Barak be so stupid as to talk of "peace" when anytime a Jew even wanders into the territories he is brutally killed?

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz

[22:09] <imback_Really-VHL> his ego like you said Bob Power hungry

[22:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The PA used Sharon's visit to the Mount as an excuse for Intifada. His election as PM ought to really fire them up.

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> Seems that way, Rich

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> It will, Bez

[22:10] <imback_Really-VHL> hows stan Bob

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> You'll see the hateful rhetoric fly fast and furious

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> He's doing well, Liz

[22:10] <imback_Really-VHL> good

[22:10] <imback_Really-VHL> been so chaotic here

[22:10] <Rich-VHL> 7gotta get to bed everyone Love you all good night

[22:11] <imback_Really-VHL> hey Bob i have a question about salvation can you try tp answer it

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> Night Rich! God bless!

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> I'll try, Liz

[22:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Rich

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[22:11] <imback_Really-VHL> remeber i have told you my hubby is not saved

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> Yes

[22:11] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Bye Rich and God bless yo8u brother!

[22:12] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok imback

[22:12] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I'll be in prayer always for him

[22:12] <imback_Really-VHL> well come to find out when he was 10 he went forward on his own free will and gave his life to the Lord....But now he does not live it so is he saved and just backslidden

[22:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Does he read the Word, Liz?

[22:12] <imback_Really-VHL> he said last night after the funeral he came real close to giving his Life back to The Lord but is not ready Yet???

[22:13] <imback_Really-VHL> well when we were dating he was reading it every night he started at Genesis aand got to numbers and got bored LOL

[22:13] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Who was it that died?

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> Liz, whether he was truly born again at that time, I cannot say. But... if he does not repent, then he is in danger. Be patient and keep praying.

[22:13] <imback_Really-VHL> so you dont believe Once saved always saved Bob

[22:14] <imback_Really-VHL> i dont know about OSAS

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> I myself was severely backslidden for a time, and God brought me back

[22:14] <imback_Really-VHL> oh deer it was his grandma

[22:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2If he's talking, Liz, he's just trying to find a way to reach out to you. Be there for him.

[22:14] <imback_Really-VHL> he was real close to her

[22:14] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok

[22:14] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I'm sorry

[22:14] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Was she a Christian?

[22:14] <Catalina-VHL> tell us about it Bob

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Liz, the Scriptures tell us that those who are saved will live like it - it doesn't mean that we cannot stray, but if we do, and refuse to repent, we are in danger

[22:15] <imback_Really-VHL> well hmmmmm i pray so i asked around and she belonged to "christian church" and in her own way loved the Lord i hope

[22:15] <Catalina-VHL> well I think we all stray. I know I have but one thing is I have always come back

[22:16] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12But you don't know if she was saved or not?

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> Catalina, I was a mess - I fell badly, was living a shameful life, and God brought be back, in His great compassion - I had given up completely

[22:16] <imback_Really-VHL> well deer that is what i have been so distraught over

[22:16] <Catalina-VHL> I told liz about this tonight already but I have not been reading my Bible as much lately and out of the blue I get this feeling of peace coming over me and I get teary-eyed. It was such a wonderful feeling and I feel its the Holy Spirit tugging at my heart to get closer to him

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Wonderful, Catalina!

[22:17] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's so wonderful Cat

[22:17] <imback_Really-VHL> because she went to a church all her life that preached salvation and at one time gave her life to Jesus but when i knew her she was starting to lose her mind

[22:17] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That is beautiful!

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> The LORD is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in love. (Psalms 145:8 NIV)

[22:18] <imback_Really-VHL> we were going through her stuff and found scripture stuff and a little new testament

[22:18] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Well when I got saved, I lost mine and gained the mind of God

[22:19] <imback_Really-VHL> hubby said she loved singing and hearing amazing grace though i dunno i am confused about it all

[22:19] <Catalina-VHL> I can

[22:19] <Catalina-VHL> oops

[22:19] <Catalina-VHL> I love Christian music, its all that I listen too

[22:19] <imback_Really-VHL> when i was around the casket i got the creeps...i bent over and kissed her and it freaked me out

[22:19] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Amen Cat

[22:20] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12so do I

[22:20] <Catalina-VHL> nothing can make you feel closer to God than Christian music

[22:20] <imback_Really-VHL> death is scary if you arent right with the Lord

[22:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'll say good night to all. Thank you for the wonderful fellowship. :-) Doggy is bugging me to go out.

[22:21] <Catalina-VHL> well death is scary I think because we are unsure of the unknown

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> Liz, when someone we care about dies, and we don't know if they are right with the Lord, we cannot torture ourselves about it - God is just, and we have to rest assured in that. Everyone makes their own choice.

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> See ya Bez!!!! :)

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[22:21] <Catalina-VHL> you better listen to doggy then are he might have a surprise waiting for you. heheheh

[22:21] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Bye Bez and God bless!

[22:22] <Catalina-VHL> bye bez

[22:23] <imback_Really-VHL> hey bob that brings another quick question

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the worst. (1 Timothy 1:15 NIV)

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life. (1 Timothy 1:16 NIV)

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen. (1 Timothy 1:17 NIV)

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz?

[22:24] <imback_Really-VHL> when we are in heaven and family members dont make it will we even remeber them???

[22:24] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12She was taking some bvreakfast out to him and when she touched him on the shoulder, he fell over out of his chair but he knew and loved the Lord very miuch and I know that I will see him again

[22:24] <Catalina-VHL> Yes but you know we will understand their decision

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> Some say no, I think yes, I don't think we will have our memory erased.

[22:24] <imback_Really-VHL> the how can we be happy Bob

[22:25] <imback_Really-VHL> knowing they are in hell

[22:25] <Catalina-VHL> remember we will see things in a whole new way

[22:25] <Catalina-VHL> and we will understand

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> Liz, you needn't worry about that - you will understand it all

[22:25] <imback_Really-VHL> yeah i just though that catalina

[22:25] <imback_Really-VHL> hahaha Bob your right

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> Right, Catalina

[22:25] <imback_Really-VHL> calm me down lol

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> We will have a very different perspective then, to put it mildly

[22:26] <Catalina-VHL> and a very wonderful new body YEAAAAAAAA

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> yeah :)

[22:26] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Sharon told me when she was cleaning outr his office, I don't think my husband will want me to throw this away and I tiold her to be honest I dont't think he would care less because he rejjoicing so much and he surely won't miss the things down here that's troubled him

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> True, Running

[22:27] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I told her that her husband doesn't care anymore

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. (Isaiah 65:17 NIV)

[22:28] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's right

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> I don't think this necessarily means we will forget everything that happened here.....

[22:28] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12No

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> it means that we will have a vastly different perspective and understanding

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> and we will not long for the things of this life

[22:28] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12They will be looking down at us in love and pure joy knowing that we will see them someday

[22:28] <Catalina-VHL> we think there are things that are pretty now that God created, wait until we see his work of art to its fullest

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> Right

[22:29] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Amen

[22:30] <Catalina-VHL> ;-)

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Remember, this world has already been judged and condemned by God as corrupt and defiled - it's just a matter of time until the sentence is executed - then the new heavens and new earth will come, perfect, without sin or curse

[22:30] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12P-raise God!!!!

[22:30] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Oh Glory!!!!!!!!!!

[22:30] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12This is so triue!!!!

[22:31] <Catalina-VHL> It will be magnificent and the BEST thing of all is that we will have Jesus right there to talk to. So AWESOME words can't even describe it

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> Which is why, we are not supposed to "love the world, or the things of the world"

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> Yes :)

[22:31] <Catalina-VHL> things here mean nothing

[22:32] <Catalina-VHL> what is the verse that talks about having your treasures in Heaven? I cant rmember it right now, brain getting tired

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. (Matthew 6:19 NIV)

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. (Matthew 6:20 NIV)

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (Matthew 6:21 NIV)

[22:32] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's right and when I leave you can have my computer

[22:32] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Because I won't need it up there

[22:32] <Catalina-VHL> that's it. so beautiful and true

[22:33] <Catalina-VHL> my body is here but my heart is in heaven

[22:33] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's right

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> Make your deposits there, now

[22:33] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's what the Apostle Paul said in Romans

[22:34] <Catalina-VHL> room is still availablehehehe

[22:34] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's right\

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> OK folks, I'm gonna sign off for now - thanks for another great chat session!

[22:34] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Thank you Bob

[22:34] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12God bless you so much

[22:34] <Catalina-VHL> yea I am going to go read my Bible for a littlw while and then its off to sleepyville, ALL ABOARD

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> He does :)

[22:35] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12aMEN

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