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[19:52] <VCI-Bob> Hi there! I think you now qualify as one of the "regulars" :)

[19:52] <VCI-Bob> Good to "see" you again!

[19:53] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi Bob

[19:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Do I

[19:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12So why don't I have the crown tonight?

[19:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12hehehehehehe

[19:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12How are you?

[19:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok

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[19:55] <VCI-Bob> You want the crown? :)

[19:55] <Bezalel-VHL> Good evening, Runningdeer and Bob.

[19:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi Bez

[19:55] <VCI-Bob> Hi Bez!

[19:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12No j/k

[19:55] <VCI-Bob> How are you folks doing?

[19:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I was playing with you

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> :) It gets heavy on the head anyway :)

[19:56] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12lol

[19:56] <Bezalel-VHL> I'm slowly recovering from a cold.

[19:56] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I was just kidding

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> no fun, Bez -

[19:56] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I'm sorry Bez

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> colds make ya feel yucky

[19:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, but on the up side, I work from the house.

[19:57] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes they do

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> What do you do, Bez?

[19:57] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12You feel achy all over

[19:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Computer support, stuff.

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> Cool

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[19:57] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12ok\

[19:57] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That is neat

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> I'm the programmer type, myself :)

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Hey there Liz! What, no creative name today? :)

[19:58] <liz-VHL> hi bob and all....i wont be able to chat tonite..Sons bday and we are going out to eat..Love yall bye

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> See ya Liz! :)

[19:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Actually, I program the business application for a small telecommunications, cable, and internet service.

[19:58] <liz-VHL> i will read trnascript

[19:58] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I'm going to be offline for a week beginning tomorrow

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Happy bday to son!

[19:58] <liz-VHL> bye

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Nifty, Bez!

[19:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bye Liz

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[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Why's that, RD?

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[20:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Ken

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> I spent some time reading some analysis of what it will mean if Sharon is elected - he's a hated man in the Arab world

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Hi Ken!

[20:00] <Ken-VHL> Hi All

[20:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Because I will be helping out a dear friend of mine who's just lost her husband

[20:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi Ken

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Very good, RD!

[20:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Ain't that the truth, Bob. They actually appear to be afraid of him, though, which is good.

[20:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12and I feel led to help her out

[20:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Please be in prayer for the Strole Family

[20:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Will do, Deer.

[20:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I mentioned it last Tuesday night at biblestudy

[20:01] <Ken-VHL> Yes, Deer

[20:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Thank you so much

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Looks like we might get the screen freeze effect tonight, so please bear with us :)

[20:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok

[20:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The "net" seems to be running slow tonight, Bob.

[20:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12At the top of my screen iut says Internal Server Error

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Yes - Arafat knows that any chance he will get to grab what he wants from Israel will disappear after Feb 6

[20:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12And on the left side also

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Oh yeah? Don't know what that means, RD

[20:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Neither do I

[20:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12lol

[20:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm seeing "Page cannot be displayed" error around my chat screen.

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Strange

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> Well, keep on chattin! Hope it does not effect others coming in

[20:04] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I know\

[20:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Did you see where Microsoft was off-line for a day from router configuration error?

[20:04] <Ken-VHL> Everything normal here

[20:04] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I know amen!!!

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I heard that, Bez

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> Good, Ken! :)

[20:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2LOL, Gates never was much of a technician.

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:05] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12My parents came over this last Tuesday and I couldn't really get in the biblestudy like I wanted to

[20:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I wasn't there at all, Deer. Had to go to a grandson's basketball game. They won.

[20:06] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12But that's ok though. I am here now

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Well, there's always next Tuesday - Delta always has interesting info to ponder

[20:06] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Good! That's great

[20:06] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen

[20:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes...

[20:07] <Ken-VHL> Why Feb 6, Bob?

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Another murder of an Israeli today by Palestinians

[20:07] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12She is a very beautiful sister in the Lord

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> That's the date of the upcoming Israeli elections for Prime Minister, Ken

[20:07] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12and I just love her

[20:07] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12:-)

[20:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Delta is very special.

[20:07] <Ken-VHL> Oh! I guess I can't vote, just pray!

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Yes, she's one of a kind!

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Right, Ken! It's more effective anyway! :)

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[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Lisa!

[20:08] <Ken-VHL> :-)

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[20:08] <Lisa-VHL> Hey there Bob and everyone!

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Hello there, Geneva!

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Lisa and Geneva

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> We;

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> We are just getting warmed up here....

[20:09] <Ken-VHL> Shalom Lisa and Geneva

[20:09] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi Lisa

[20:09] <Geneva-VHL> Hi everyone

[20:09] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom to all

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> How about we commit this chat to God? Let's pray briefly

[20:09] <Lisa-VHL> Shalom Ken, Bez, Run

[20:09] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Amen

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[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Father, we honor and praise your name

[20:10] <Geneva-VHL> I have had trouble getting on line and staying on line the past few weeks.

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> (Welcome Z - just a short prayer time, then fire away with the questions!)

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> You are kind and loving God, who cares for your children

[20:10] <Geneva-VHL> Thank you lord for this time we spend with our brothers and sisters in the lord

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[20:10] <VCI-Bob> We trust you entirely, and we thank you for sending your Son Jesus

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> (Welcome Gran - we are in prayer time now! :)

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 6yes i see praise God

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> We have gathered here to talk about you and your Word - your Word is truth

[20:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Grant us the strength and wisdom to carry Your Word to the world.

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lod

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Lord

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Make us better suited as your messengers - purify our hearts to love you passionately

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[20:12] <Gran-VHL> 6let us not forgive your many blessings Lord our Father as we bless you also

[20:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And to fight the evils that work against Your Land and People.

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Lead us in the chat tonight - may we honor YOU!

[20:12] <red-VHL> im here and have to go check on son brb

[20:12] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Praise you in your glorious sanctuary, Almighty God!

[20:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2All praise belongs to You.

[20:13] <Gran-VHL> 6you oh God are the only one worthy of our Praise

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> You are holy, awesome, mighty, fantastic

[20:13] <Lisa-VHL> Be glorified in us, Lord

[20:13] <Gran-VHL> 6we giveyou glory and honor and praise oh Lord

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> Thank you for your great patience with us!

[20:13] <Gran-VHL> 6remeind us Holy Spirit to lift up the Father in all that we do

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> In the name of Jesus the Messiah - AMEN! AMEN!

[20:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, Lord and forgive us ours sins.

[20:14] <Ken-VHL> Amen.

[20:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen

[20:14] <Lisa-VHL> May the words of our mouths and the meditations of our hearts be acceptable in thy sight, o Lord our Rock and our Redeemer. AMEN

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 6let us be a praise in the house of the Lord forever

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> All right, first of all, hi there Mr Z :) I put you off last time because we were in the middle of something...

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> so I want to give you first shot tonight :)

[20:15] <Gran-VHL> 6amen and amen

[20:15] <Gran-VHL> 6I would like prayer for my sister Penny who husband just died suddenly

[20:15] <Z-VHL> it's ok, bob

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> So, fire away, Z

[20:15] <Ken-VHL> Shalom Z,Gran and red

[20:15] <Z-VHL> I was just wondering why STan thought Arafat was the little horn

[20:15] <Gran-VHL> 6Z, lisa Bob Bez red Deer Ken Geneva shalom

[20:15] <red-VHL> hi everyone good to be back

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[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Lord God, we ask you for Penny - comfort here greatly

[20:15] <Gran-VHL> 6yes thank you Lord

[20:15] <Geneva-VHL> Hi Gran

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Well, Z, I think it's because Arafat fits some of the characteristics (not all though)

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6she does not understand Father is not able to do so

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6praise you father for your great mercy to her

[20:16] <Z-VHL> I'm glad I was wrong about Gore

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> He's an arrogant, short man who is vying for the Temple Mount

[20:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Annoint Penny with your Grace and Understanding, Lord.

[20:16] <Geneva-VHL> What about Gore

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6I believe that about him also Bob for the same reasons

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6thank you all

[20:16] <Lisa-VHL> I like the short part, Bob :)

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> But - Arafat is not the "little horn" of the Bible, in my opinion

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> yeah, Lisa :)

[20:17] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob and of course not just the mount the whole land of Isreal

[20:17] <Z-VHL> I thought since "Al Gore" might mean death, that he might have been the rider of the Pale Horse

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> He doesn't meet all the criteria in Daniel, for instance

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> True, Gran

[20:18] <Gran-VHL> 6bob I obviously don't know my scripture well enough

[20:18] <Gran-VHL> 6where are we going tonight Bob?

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Tonight, I thought we might look at Ezekiel 36 in a little while, after our general banter :)

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> I was reading it this week

[20:18] <Gran-VHL> 6oh good place that

[20:18] <red-VHL> brb gotta get bible

[20:18] <Z-VHL> I predict a war in Iraq within 6 months (easy call, with a BUsh admin. and Saddam's big mouth)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Z, I think you might have something there

[20:19] <Lisa-VHL> Good article on the Temple Mount, by the way. Points out that the man of sin will conquer by "intrigue" not necessesarily outright warfare

[20:19] <Z-VHL> He wants to invade Israel this time

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Iraq is making lots of noise, and cozying up to Syria and Iran

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lisa

[20:19] <Lisa-VHL> necessarily, I mean

[20:19] <Gran-VHL> 6Did you all hear about the deployment of some of our men from Germany to the area of the holy land?

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> be right back

[20:20] <Gran-VHL> 6some of the Partriot units I think

[20:20] <Z-VHL> yeah they moved Patriot missile batteries to Israel too

[20:20] <Gran-VHL> 6just got the email about it

[20:20] <Geneva-VHL> I read that in an email I received. There has been nothing on the news

[20:20] <Gran-VHL> 6but as usual didn't read it very good

[20:20] <Z-VHL> Russia and China are officially allies now too

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> ok - I am back

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6of who Z?

[20:21] <Z-VHL> each other

[20:21] <Geneva-VHL> With Iraq

[20:21] <Ken-VHL> The man of evil will enter "peacefully" ?

[20:21] <Z-VHL> and the muslim nations of the middle east

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6oh well not surprised

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Good question Ken

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6been selling weapons for some time to them

[20:22] <Geneva-VHL> All the muslim nations will join against Israil

[20:22] <Z-VHL> what will be the role of the U.N in all this I wonder

[20:22] <Gran-VHL> 6but then Isreal has been selling some to China

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Some believe he is the conqueror on the white horse of the first Seal

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> But there will be come kind of ten nation confederacy, right

[20:23] <Z-VHL> the U.N already uses peace to destroy

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob aren't there mmore than 10 nations already?

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> And then three will fall, and he (the little horn) will lead an eighth, right?

[20:23] <Ken-VHL> Right, Z

[20:23] <Lisa-VHL> SEe Dan. 11:21 Ken

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Could be ten world regions, Gran

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Z, the UN will be very involved

[20:24] <Gran-VHL> 6okay I wish I knew my world georgraphy better

[20:24] <Ken-VHL> yes, Liza

[20:24] <Gran-VHL> 6it would help with the prophesy if I knew where more of these nations are

[20:24] <Lisa-VHL> I wonder about the seals of Rev. 6...

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Let's look at that briefly, Rev 17

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> yes, Lisa?

[20:25] <Geneva-VHL> The world is already divided into ten regions right

[20:25] <Lisa-VHL> If they don't coincide with Matt. 24:1-14

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Not sure, Geneva

[20:25] <Lisa-VHL> If they aren't conditions that have already been happening in the world since the church began

[20:25] <red-VHL> is that right Geneva

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lisa, some hold that view

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> I think they are yet future, but I could be wrong

[20:26] <Ken-VHL> . . . accomplish HIS purpose.

[20:26] <Geneva-VHL> I have read somewhere the world in ten regions.

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> for example, the first seal, seems to be a certain individual

[20:27] <Z-VHL> Geneva- some documents and maps have been surfacing on the net with them divided into 10 regions

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> I heard that also, Geneva - vaguely remember

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[20:27] <Z-VHL> also, there are currently 10 nations on the U.N Security Council

[20:27] <Lisa-VHL> White horse = false prophets, red horse = war, black horse =famine, pale horse = disease - I don't know, just seems to fit with what Jesus said. And these conditions becoming worse as the time grows near

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> OK - who wants the assignment of researching the ten regions for next chat? :)

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Yes, they are, Lisa

[20:28] <Geneva-VHL> The first seal is the the antichrist. Could this be the UN He will send out a man to conquer

[20:28] <Lisa-VHL> That's the one that intrigues me, Z

[20:28] <Lisa-VHL> First seal could be symbol of all false prophets, culminating in THE false prophet

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> 6Vern shalom

[20:29] <Z-VHL> me too, they are always talking about adding more but they never do

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> 6jump in anywhere

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> But, Lisa, he is a "conqueror"

[20:29] <red-VHL> hi vern

[20:29] <Lisa-VHL> Right, but remember our man of sin conquers by "peace"

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" (Revelation 6:1 NIV)

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. (Revelation 6:2 NIV)

[20:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The false prophet derives his power from the AC, doesn't he?

[20:29] <Lisa-VHL> AND, he has a bow, but no arrow

[20:30] <Geneva-VHL> When the UN goes into a nation now they try to conquer that nation instead of helping them

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> From Satan himself, Bez

[20:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You're right, Bob, sorry. :-)

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> It doesn't say no arrow, Lisa :)

[20:31] <red-VHL> no saying sorryBez ;-)

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[20:31] <VCI-Bob> If I said "Lisa holds a pocketbook" it doesn't mean you don't have an umbrella too :)

[20:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm sorry, Red. :-)

[20:32] <red-VHL> lol

[20:32] <Z-VHL> ;) just wanted to add mine too

[20:32] <Lisa-VHL> Well, it just says bow - maybe I'm stretching it a bit. But, don't we agree that AC conquers at first by intrigue and "peace"?

[20:32] <red-VHL> lol

[20:32] <Ken-VHL> ;-)

[20:32] <Lisa-VHL> :)

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Excellent question Lisa - lets look for Scriptures

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[20:33] <red-VHL> you all are getting face happy

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Contributions are welcome :)

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Hi there Hope! Which Hope are you? :)

[20:33] <Lisa-VHL> Well, I already mentioned Dan. 11:21

[20:33] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Doesn't Daniel refer to a great prince?

[20:33] <Hope-VHL> 7Hi BOB!

[20:33] <Hope-VHL> 7Elena!

[20:33] <Gran-VHL> 6my bible has an interesting study on these scriptures

[20:33] <red-VHL> hi hope

[20:33] <Hope-VHL> 7Hi all!

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Elana!!! Wonderful!!!

[20:33] <Gran-VHL> 6hope shalom

[20:33] <Geneva-VHL> Why would a warrior go out with a bow and no arrows unless he wants to try to impress them that he really wants peace

[20:33] <Ken-VHL> High Hope

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> So great to see you - been a long time!!!

[20:34] <Hope-VHL> 7I KNOW! TOOOO LONG! :)

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Tell us, Gran

[20:34] <Hope-VHL> 7Hi everyone! :)

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> 6well it says that the rider here is the AC

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> 6and that he will appear on the political scene

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Elana has the distinction of being the only person here who I have met in person :)

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> Go on, Gran

[20:35] <Hope-VHL> 7:)

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 6using his demonic psychology

[20:35] <Ken-VHL> Peace is a great seductress

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 6with a solution to all the problems of the naions

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> ok - let me look for Scriptures about him - keep on chattin

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 6it sounds like what i have read that the AC will do

[20:35] <Geneva-VHL> Its that what the UN trys to do

[20:35] <Z-VHL> I tell you this, of all the potential antichrists I have researched, Maitreya is the scariest

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 6yes sneaky pete

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 6the AC

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 6who is that Z?

[20:36] <Z-VHL> some buddhist - his name means "the christ"

[20:36] <red-VHL> yeah who is this Maitreya guy anyway i never heard of him

[20:36] <Lisa-VHL> 1Thess.5:3:"While they are saying'Peace and safety' then destruction will come upon them suddenly like birth pangs upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> I'll just post them as I find them, and you all can comment

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 6he will exalt himself as God

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> good one, Lisa

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> "While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully. (Daniel 7:8 NIV)

[20:36] <Hope-VHL> 7I've seen pictures of him Z, what a weirdo

[20:36] <Ken-VHL> YOU are right Z

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 6He will be worshiped by unbelievers so that he sits as God in the temple of God

[20:37] <Geneva-VHL> Maitreya is almost ready to make his announcement that he is the christ

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[20:37] <VCI-Bob> I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three of them fell--the horn that looked more imposing than the others and that had eyes and a mouth that spoke boastfully. (Daniel 7:20 NIV)

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them, (Daniel 7:21 NIV)

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom. (Daniel 7:22 NIV)

[20:37] <Z-VHL> i think we may see a war before he can do that though

[20:37] <Lisa-VHL> Is the website "share.org" for maitreya, Z?

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. (Daniel 7:24 NIV)

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time. (Daniel 7:25 NIV)

[20:37] <Hope-VHL> 7Maitreya has been claiming this since the early eighties!

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> And from Daniel 8:

[20:38] <Z-VHL> yes

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> "In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. (Daniel 8:23 NIV)

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. (Daniel 8:24 NIV)

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power. (Daniel 8:25 NIV)

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> OK - comments everyone - what do you see about this man?

[20:39] <Hope-VHL> 7I think Mikail Gorbachev fits the mold

[20:39] <Z-VHL> a pervert with the power to destroy and deceive many

[20:40] <Lisa-VHL> Extremely devious

[20:40] <red-VHL> he will be very strong, but not by his own power. This would mean that someone or many people give him his power

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Demonic power, red

[20:40] <Ken-VHL> I am glad to see he will be destroyed

[20:40] <red-VHL> yes of coarse altimately that is correct

[20:40] <Lisa-VHL> At first appears to be a "savior", but then becomes a destroyer, a la Hitler

[20:40] <red-VHL> me too ken

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[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 6yes only the devil can give that kind of power and only when God allows it

[20:41] <Dex-VHL> 5He will be both a master of politics and war

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 6cdm shalom

[20:41] <cdmpm-VHL> hello

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> More from Daniel 11:

[20:41] <Lisa-VHL> Hi cdm!

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Welcome cdmpm

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. (Daniel 11:31 NIV)

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him. (Daniel 11:32 NIV)

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> "Those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered. (Daniel 11:33 NIV)

[20:41] <Ken-VHL> cdm, dex :-)

[20:42] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That's not very good news for us, Bob.

[20:42] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Other than we will be allowed to instruct many.

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> Well, the good news is that God wipes him out :)

[20:42] <Z-VHL> I can't wait, my life sucks (j/k) :)

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> ultimately

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> "The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. (Daniel 11:36 NIV)

[20:43] <Lisa-VHL> I've thought about those verses alot, Bob. And also v. 35: And some of those who have insight will fall in order to refine, purge and make them pure, until the end time

[20:43] <Hope-VHL> 7I like the part that says "but the people who KNOW their God will FIRMLY RESIST him!"

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Hope!!

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lisa? Your thoughts?

[20:43] <Geneva-VHL> This man will have a great influance on all people He will have to win the people with his great words the people want to hear He will be a great speaker that will hold the attention of the people spellbound with his words

[20:44] <Z-VHL> the wise will instruct many

[20:44] <Lisa-VHL> That "those who have insight" COULD possibly be those who have studied the prophecies and waited for the time

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Geneva - people will marvel at him - Revelation tells us that

[20:44] <Hope-VHL> 7brb

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Lisa -the Thursday night prophecy chat crowd :)

[20:44] <Geneva-VHL> Anyone in mind--that is a great speaker

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?" (Revelation 13:4 NIV)

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob have you found any reference as to the nationality of the AC?

[20:45] <Lisa-VHL> Also Dan. 12:3 - Don't laugh, I've truly thought about the possibility!!:)

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> No, Gran

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. (Revelation 13:5 NIV)

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. (Revelation 13:6 NIV)

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 6I have been taught that he must be a Jew or part Jew or they would not accept him

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[20:46] <Geneva-VHL> He will come out of Syria. He could have grandparents that came out of Syria

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> Gran, the Jews won't accept him, or at least many will not

[20:46] <Dex-VHL761> 5"with flattery he will corrupt those who have violated to the covenant" clearly speaks of the Jews

[20:46] <Z-VHL> the abolishment of the sacrifice - is this where a temple is needed?

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> Because, notice.... it says his reign is 42 months - three and a half years, right?

[20:47] <Geneva-VHL> He could be a arab because they are half brothers

[20:47] <Lisa-VHL> In 11:30 it says he will show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant

[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 6well then how will he get into the temple? unless he kills most of them

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> He will only be in absolute power from the middle of the week - when he stops the temple sacrifce and sets himself up as god in the temple

[20:47] <Hope-VHL> 7Syria or Russia has to be someone NORTH of Israel

[20:47] <Lisa-VHL> Right, Gran. Remember he "destroys to an extraordinary degree"

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> At which time he will issue a death sentence for all Jews and Christians

[20:48] <Hope-VHL> 7right, only forty two months

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Prior to that, he is not in absolute power, but only one of the ten horns - remember, he subdues three of them

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> and the others give him their loyalty

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 6It sure looks to me like all this will be fairly soon now with all that has gone on so far even this year

[20:49] <Z-VHL> the kings of the earth will rule with the beast for one hour

[20:49] <cdmpm-VHL> Bob, I have heard a therory that what is taken away is more accuratly the "dailey" and some think this could be the prayers.. any thoughts

[20:49] <Z-VHL> if 1 day = 1000 years, 1 hour = 41.666 years

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 6there are several new leaders in the area and they seem to be ready to give over to someone

[20:49] <Z-VHL> or months?

[20:49] <Hope-VHL> 7this is where Gorbachev fits in.......he's kind of behind the scenes right now.......but he's really growing in power with the Green international.....and did anyone read his letter to Bush?

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> cdm, you are referring to the Daniel passages, right?

[20:50] <cdmpm-VHL> correct

[20:50] <Geneva-VHL> I haven't read it yet

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[20:50] <Ken-VHL> I hear scary undertones in every newscast

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> That would be an interesting word study, cdm, because most places it is translated the "daily sacrifice" is halted

[20:51] <cdmpm-VHL> it would be interesting to see a complete study done on that..

[20:51] <Z-VHL> me too, Ken

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> 6has anyone heard how close the new temple is to being built

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> Yes - we should starting giving out assignments here :)

[20:52] <Geneva-VHL> No is it about ready to be built

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 6I know that the rabbi's have been preparing for it for a number of years

[20:52] <Hope-VHL> 7that sounds really interesting cdm

[20:52] <Geneva-VHL> I knew that

[20:52] <Z-VHL> bob, this treaty between israel and palestine, could this be the 7 year one that kicks it into gear?

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 6just waitng for the dome to come down

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Gran, they are only waiting for the large obstacle to be removed :)

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 6yes the dome

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 6etc

[20:53] <cdmpm-VHL> another thought is this.... the word used for temple in Daniel is the word usually used for a pagan temple.. and it is thought to be the Dome of the Rock,, any thoughts?

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Z, personally, I don't think so - I think there will be a war soon, one that might set the stage for that future treaty

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 6I am looking for a localized earthquake

[20:53] <Ken-VHL> When I was in Israel, I heard 3 days once the Dome was removed.

[20:53] <Geneva-VHL> That dome can come down in a few seconds

[20:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2<<<<<Boom!>>>>>>>

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> cdm, in Thessalonians, it explicity says the "temple of God"

[20:53] <Z-VHL> 3 days to complete the temple?

[20:53] <Lisa-VHL> hataamiyd = in Hebrew means "continuous". The word "sacrafice" does not actually appear in the text but was added by translators

[20:53] <Hope-VHL> 7The dome will come down, I believe VERY soon!

[20:53] <Lisa-VHL> sacrifice, I mean

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 6unless Hussane hits the wrong target it will be an earthquake I think

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> The article that Stan posted on the front page addresses that issue of the temple - very good article

[20:54] <Ken-VHL> That sounded ambitious IF men are to build it!

[20:54] <cdmpm-VHL> could some one who knows Greek do a word study on that?

[20:54] <Geneva-VHL> That will really make the headlines

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Hope! :)

[20:54] <cdmpm-VHL> I haven't read that yet

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Thanks, Lisa :)

[20:54] <cdmpm-VHL> I will have to read it after we leave here tonight

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 6just so that the Isrealis don't get blamed for it

[20:55] <Lisa-VHL> Hey speaking of the dome coming down - anyone ever read Isaiah 28: 1-4, could it refer to the Dome?

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Let me post it, Lisa

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Woe to that wreath, the pride of Ephraim's drunkards, to the fading flower, his glorious beauty, set on the head of a fertile valley-- to that city, the pride of those laid low by wine! (Isaiah 28:1 NIV)

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> See, the Lord has one who is powerful and strong. Like a hailstorm and a destructive wind, like a driving rain and a flooding downpour, he will throw it forcefully to the ground. (Isaiah 28:2 NIV)

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> That wreath, the pride of Ephraim's drunkards, will be trampled underfoot. (Isaiah 28:3 NIV)

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> That fading flower, his glorious beauty, set on the head of a fertile valley, will be like a fig ripe before harvest-- as soon as someone sees it and takes it in his hand, he swallows it. (Isaiah 28:4 NIV)

[20:55] <Hope-VHL> 7The Temple Mount Faithful........has anyone read what happened to the founder of this (he's Jewish), what made him start this ministry? AWESOME

[20:57] <Lisa-VHL> My translation says "crown" - just made me think of that big, golden dome

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Lisa, honestly, I don't know what that is talking about - I would assume it is referring to the pride of Israel (the northern kingdom at the time)

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[20:57] <cdmpm-VHL> I will return I want to read the article on the temple..

[20:57] <Geneva-VHL> The crown of pride

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> ok - see you soon, cdm

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[20:57] <Lisa-VHL> I know it had an immediate meaning in Isaiah's day, but with whom would you identify "Ephraim" now?

[20:58] <Geneva-VHL> Arabs

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Well, one thing I notice...

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> contrast v 1 with v 5:

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> In that day the LORD Almighty will be a glorious crown, a beautiful wreath for the remnant of his people. (Isaiah 28:5 NIV)

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[20:59] <Lisa-VHL> YES, I love that part!

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> Unlike the crown or wreath of the drunkards

[20:59] <Ken-VHL> Amen

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> which would be trampled

[20:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I got booted and had a very hard time getting back in

[20:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2WB, Deer.

[21:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Thanks

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 6that is the pitts deer

[21:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Aol booted me

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> And the chapter goes on to talk about drunken priests and prophets

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 6been there done that YUK

[21:00] <Geneva-VHL> I know what it is to get booted off and can't get back on

[21:00] <Hope-VHL> 7GREAT color Runningdeer ;)

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 6here too

[21:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12It was very difficult

[21:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Thank you so much. Carry on Bob

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6well dear ones Gran needs to get off for tonight see you all on Mon night shalom and god bless you all

[21:01] <Z-VHL> did you know in China they have blown up thousands of churches in the last few months

[21:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Thanks Gran

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> OK - we've bounced around a lot so far - where are we going next? :)

[21:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night, Gran.

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Z - it's awful

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Night Gran!! Shalom

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[21:01] <Hope-VHL> 7bye Gran!

[21:01] <Geneva-VHL> 8Bye Gran

[21:01] <Ken-VHL> Bye Gran

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[21:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Ezekial?

[21:01] <Lisa-VHL> Blessings Gran

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> We must remember to pray regularly for our brothers and sisters who suffer for their faith in the Lord

[21:02] <Hope-VHL> 7Bob, you know the Harlot, or the wife of is it Hosea?

[21:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Good night Gran

[21:02] <Geneva-VHL> 82Have to change colors

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> Do I know her personally? :)

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> heh heh

[21:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Interesting, Hope, I'm reading Hosea.

[21:02] <Hope-VHL> 7LOL!

[21:02] <Geneva-VHL> 21Back to black

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> have not met the woman :)

[21:02] <Ken-VHL> :->

[21:02] <Hope-VHL> 7Well you know where he is called to LOL

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> Yeah :)

[21:03] <Hope-VHL> 7forgive her and to return to her?

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> Right

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Hosea is such a wonderful book - I love it

[21:04] <Hope-VHL> 7THAT IS US!!!! We are the Harlot, that adulterated ourselves to other gods, MONEY, WORK, etc.....we "CHEATED" on

[21:04] <Hope-VHL> 7our GROOM, that is away from us.........

[21:04] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12My window froze up big time

[21:04] <Hope-VHL> 7Christ, has forgiven us, and has turned us into HIS BRIDE

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Hope - it applies to us, because we all were unfaithful to the Lord, and he accepted us back - however, primarily, it speaks of God's dealings (some yet future) with Israel :)

[21:05] <Hope-VHL> 7I KNOW, but it really clicked!

[21:05] <Z-VHL> God Bless all, gotta run for a bit

[21:05] <Hope-VHL> 7AND

[21:05] <Hope-VHL> 7bye z! God Bless you

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Thank God that He accepted us :)

[21:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night, Z

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> See ya Z :)

[21:05] <Hope-VHL> 7in Song of Solomon

[21:05] <Geneva-VHL> By Z

[21:05] <Ken-VHL> Bye Z, Thanks

[21:05] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi Dex! I was wondering if you were here!

[21:06] <Lisa-VHL> Nite Z

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> Go on, Hope :)

[21:06] <Geneva-VHL> Hi Dex

[21:06] <Hope-VHL> 7where the Virgin bride is LONGING to see her LOVER.......WE ALL should be longing to see our GROOM, YEARNING to be with HIM

[21:06] <Hope-VHL> 7waiting and watching!

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> Yes - may God put that longing in each of our hearts!

[21:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen!

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> So that we are not satisfied with this present existence, but longing for His Kingdom!

[21:07] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12By Z

[21:07] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12How are you by the way?

[21:07] <Lisa-VHL> Bob, still want to get into Ezekiel 36. I've been reading it - WOW. Could have come from today's headlines

[21:07] <Hope-VHL> 7Man! I'm obsessed with HIM! THAT's IT BOB!!!!

[21:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Wow, Hope.

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> Yes Hope! :) May God grant each of us that "obsession!"

[21:08] <Hope-VHL> 7When I see Him, ......AMEN

[21:08] <Dex-VHL761> 5Hi Running

[21:08] <Ken-VHL> But not so soon that any who might be saved be lost

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[21:08] <Geneva-VHL> I'm looking for his return any day now

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> I want more of that - sometimes I feel woefully inadequate in my love for God - may He enlarge our hearts for Him!

[21:09] <Geneva-VHL> I want to be looking for him all the time

[21:09] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I do Hope

[21:09] <Hope-VHL> 7so unworthy are we........to bow down to Him, kiss His feet in thankfulness, His hands that suffered .....for US, the Harlot, the sinner, WHAT FORGIVENESS He has!

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> (we'll get there soon Lisa) :)

[21:09] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I praise God that he has given me that intimacy with him

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> Amen! Amen!

[21:10] <Geneva-VHL> I have to go now will read the remainder of the chat tomorrow See you later

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> Bye Geneva! God bless1

[21:10] <Dex-VHL761> 5Hi Geneva and Running. I had stepped away for a few moments.

[21:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night, Geneva

[21:10] <Hope-VHL> 7goodnight Geneva :)

[21:10] <Ken-VHL> Bye Geneva

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[21:11] <Dex-VHL761> 5God Bless you Geneva.

[21:11] <Lisa-VHL> I pray that every believer know this passion for Christ. I am in wonderment sometimes at how we lack in our ability to realize what we really have in Him

[21:11] <Lisa-VHL> Nite Geneva

[21:11] <Ken-VHL> I pray for those who yet have not known HIM

[21:11] <Hope-VHL> 7I KNOW Lisa, most people don't grasp it.......His obsession for us, what He really did

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lisa - I know - but when I see that lack in myself (often) I ask Him for more of it

[21:12] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12By Geneva

[21:12] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Geneva wait.........

[21:12] <Hope-VHL> 7AMEN BOB! May He fill us daily!

[21:12] <Lisa-VHL> Me, too, Bob and Hope. But anyone else have the experience of seeing such frustrating apathy in the churches we have attended?

[21:12] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Amen Hope

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be FILLED!!!

[21:13] <Hope-VHL> 7Yes, and it breaks my heart.....................AMEN BOB!!!!

[21:13] <Dex-VHL761> 5AMEN

[21:13] <Lisa-VHL> AMEN, Bob!

[21:13] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Amen Bob

[21:13] <Ken-VHL> Thanks and Amen

[21:14] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Dex

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> OK - Now - Ezekiel 36

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Hang on to your hats :)

[21:14] <Hope-VHL> 7People just kind of "try Him out" for a while, then if He cramps their style, they hit the road, or say, "well I'm saved".........I really question that type of conversion.

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Right, Hope

[21:14] <Dex-VHL761> 5Bob Where do you think the 10 kingdom confederacy spoken of in Daniel is? or represents

[21:14] <Hope-VHL> 7Go on

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> Dex, some say a 10 nation European revival of the Roman Empire, some see ten world regions

[21:15] <Dex-VHL761> 5ok

[21:15] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Hope

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> Ezekiel 36 is a unique prophecy

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> It is addressed to a certain, um, thing

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> not a person, though

[21:16] <Hope-VHL> 7go on

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> "Son of man, prophesy to the mountains of Israel and say, 'O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD. (Ezekiel 36:1 NIV)

[21:16] <Ken-VHL> yes

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> It's addressed at the LAND

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> not just any land, but what we would call Judea and Samaria, or the West Bank

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> "the mountains of Israel"

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> So, God is talking to the mountains :)

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> "Son of man, prophesy to the mountains of Israel and say, 'O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD. (Ezekiel 36:1 NIV)

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> This is what the Sovereign LORD says: The enemy said of you, "Aha! The ancient heights have become our possession."' (Ezekiel 36:2 NIV)

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> Look at that! Who is saying that now? The Palestinians, of course

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> They think they now possess the West Bank

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Therefore prophesy and say, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because they ravaged and hounded you from every side so that you became the possession of the rest of the nations and the object of people's malicious talk and slander, (Ezekiel 36:3 NIV)

[21:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Think, being the key word.

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Right :)

[21:18] <Ken-VHL> right Bez

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> "ravaged" "hounded" "malicious" - sounds like the daily news in Israel

[21:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2UN is the voice of malicious talk and slander...

[21:19] <Hope-VHL> 7It DOES!

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> therefore, O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Sovereign LORD: This is what the Sovereign LORD says to the mountains and hills, to the ravines and valleys, to the desolate ruins and the deserted towns that have been plundered and ridiculed by the rest of the nations around you-- (Ezekiel 36:4 NIV)

[21:19] <Hope-VHL> 7FROM EVERY side is right!

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> Ready to hear what He says? :)

[21:19] <Hope-VHL> 7:) we're waiting

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> this is what the Sovereign LORD says: In my burning zeal I have spoken against the rest of the nations, and against all Edom, for with glee and with malice in their hearts they made my land their own possession so that they might plunder its pastureland.' (Ezekiel 36:5 NIV)

[21:20] <Lisa-VHL> "possession of the rest of the nations" = U.N. control?

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> another translation says "I am speaking in my hot jealousy"

[21:20] <Hope-VHL> 7WOW!

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lisa, could be

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> He's a little ticked off, I think

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> more than a little

[21:21] <Hope-VHL> 7LOL, just slightly!

[21:21] <Ken-VHL> Yes:-O

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> it fits the situation so perfectly

[21:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Does Edom translate to current Arab nations, Bob?

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> "with glee"

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> "with malice"

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> And notice whose land it is?

[21:21] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes he is

[21:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2HIS land.

[21:21] <Hope-VHL> 7GOD's!

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> It's "MINE" - "MY LAND" "MINE" - Gods!

[21:22] <Ken-VHL> ABSOLUTELY!

[21:22] <Dex-VHL761> 5I think Edom Is present day Jordan.

[21:22] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes

[21:22] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Amen!

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> Historically and geographically Edom is in Jordan

[21:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Okay, thanks, Bob.

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> but in this case it may be the Palestinians

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> There's more :)

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Israel and say to the mountains and hills, to the ravines and valleys: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I speak in my jealous wrath because you have suffered the scorn of the nations. (Ezekiel 36:6 NIV)

[21:23] <Hope-VHL> 7GOOD! go on

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Now remember, this is looking at it from a broad historical perspective - not one little point in time, but at a period at the end of days

[21:24] <Hope-VHL> 7"jealous wrath"!!!!! I'm glad I'm on the right side!

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Right - God is going to act soon in His jealous wrath, and it won't be nice at all

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I swear with uplifted hand that the nations around you will also suffer scorn. (Ezekiel 36:7 NIV)

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> "'But you, O mountains of Israel, will produce branches and fruit for my people Israel, for they will soon come home. (Ezekiel 36:8 NIV)

[21:25] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Me too Hope~~~~

[21:25] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Me too!

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> When God makes a vow, it's a very very serious thing

[21:25] <Hope-VHL> 7People talk about the persecution from the Antichrist........it doesn't come near the WRATH OF GOD!

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> "they will soon come home" - this part of it is a work in process, over the last hundred years

[21:26] <Ken-VHL> You know it, Hope

[21:26] <Lisa-VHL> This just seems like it MUST happen so soon, doesn't it? How much more accurate can teh situation be?

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> But remember.....

[21:26] <Hope-VHL> 7Yes LISA!

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> This is speaking primarily to the land NOW in the hands of the Palestinians

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> even though Israel has a nation, this land in this prophecy is not now in their hands

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> Right, Lisa!

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> I am concerned for you and will look on you with favor; you will be plowed and sown, (Ezekiel 36:9 NIV)

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> and I will multiply the number of people upon you, even the whole house of Israel. The towns will be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt. (Ezekiel 36:10 NIV)

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> "The towns will be inhabited" - the towns in the West Bank will be filled with Jews!

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> Not Palestinians

[21:28] <Ken-VHL> "whole house of Israel". . .

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> I will increase the number of men and animals upon you, and they will be fruitful and become numerous. I will settle people on you as in the past and will make you prosper more than before. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 36:11 NIV)

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> And... once again, we see God's motive in doing this....

[21:28] <Lisa-VHL> Do you think that speaks to the time after Messiah returns?

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> that Israel will know that He is Yahweh

[21:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The people will know He is the Lord.

[21:29] <Hope-VHL> 7AMEN!!!!

[21:29] <Ken-VHL> AWESOME!

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> That's a good question, Lisa - I cannot given a definitive answer, but I suspect it is prior to that

[21:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2It's all for His glory.

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Right, Bez!

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> And their awakening, spiritually

[21:30] <Lisa-VHL> What about v.12 which says they will never again be bereaved of their children?

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> There's more :)

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> I will cause people, my people Israel, to walk upon you. They will possess you, and you will be their inheritance; you will never again deprive them of their children. (Ezekiel 36:12 NIV)

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> "'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because people say to you, "You devour men and deprive your nation of its children," (Ezekiel 36:13 NIV)

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> therefore you will no longer devour men or make your nation childless, declares the Sovereign LORD. (Ezekiel 36:14 NIV)

[21:30] <Ken-VHL> But, will they still have time to repent and be saved?

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> To me, this means - no more terrorism that kills Israeli children

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> because the terrorists will be expelled from God's land

[21:31] <Hope-VHL> 7Bob, you suspect a war to take place BEFORE the seven years starts right? But, this couldn't be the war in Ezekiel, right?

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Ken, that's a good question....

[21:31] <Ken-VHL> There are some I really am concerned for!!!

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> I think we have to distinguish between God's dealing with individuals, any of whom can repent and accept Jesus at any time, and His dealing with nations or groups of people

[21:31] <Lisa-VHL> And , won't they once again be bereaved of children when AC takes control? Just seems more like the time of peace and only Jesus will bring...

[21:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm leaning to the idea that Israel will return to their original covenant with the Lord, then accept the Messiah.

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Good point, Lisa - I don't know

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez- it bears more thought and study

[21:32] <Ken-VHL> I pray you are right , Bez.

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> No longer will I make you hear the taunts of the nations, and no longer will you suffer the scorn of the peoples or cause your nation to fall, declares the Sovereign LORD.'" (Ezekiel 36:15 NIV)

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Now, the next section.....

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> is like a broader summary of Israel's history by the Lord:

[21:33] <Ken-VHL> Lead on:-)

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Again the word of the LORD came to me: (Ezekiel 36:16 NIV)

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> "Son of man, when the people of Israel were living in their own land, they defiled it by their conduct and their actions. Their conduct was like a woman's monthly uncleanness in my sight. (Ezekiel 36:17 NIV)

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> Going back in time

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> So I poured out my wrath on them because they had shed blood in the land and because they had defiled it with their idols. (Ezekiel 36:18 NIV)

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions. (Ezekiel 36:19 NIV)

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> And wherever they went among the nations they profaned my holy name, for it was said of them, 'These are the Lord's people, and yet they had to leave his land.' (Ezekiel 36:20 NIV)

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> I had concern for my holy name, which the house of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone. (Ezekiel 36:21 NIV)

[21:34] <Hope-VHL> 7and I believe the 144,000 "VIRGIN" Jews, will be the Jewish people who never were "adulterous" and left their GOD to worship other gods

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> These verses certainly have played out over the centuries, as the Jews were dispersed throughut the nations

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> and next, we once again see God explain His motives in all this:

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> "Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. (Ezekiel 36:22 NIV)

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Sovereign LORD, when I show myself holy through you before their eyes. (Ezekiel 36:23 NIV)

[21:35] <Lisa-VHL> Must go all - Good night!!

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> Night Lisa!

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[21:36] <Ken-VHL> Shalom Lisa

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> "'For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. (Ezekiel 36:24 NIV)

[21:36] <Dex-VHL761> 5God Bless you Lisa

[21:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Lisa

[21:36] <Hope-VHL> 7I believe God will mark them and when they see HIM (Jesus) "whom they have pierced" they will be saved.

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Very clearly, God brougt Israel back

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> as a nation

[21:36] <Hope-VHL> 7It's really so unbelievable!

[21:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Even the secular Jews, so His purpose is very clear.

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> But the next part, which goes along with it, has mostly not happened yet

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. (Ezekiel 36:25 NIV)

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. (Ezekiel 36:26 NIV)

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. (Ezekiel 36:27 NIV)

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> Just as in the next chapter, it is a two phased process - first they come back (the bones are gathered) then they come alive spiritually (life in the bones)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> They have come back, but they do not yet have the "new jeart"

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> heart, that is

[21:38] <Hope-VHL> 7This seems to be describing THE TEMPLE MOUNT FAITHFUL!

[21:38] <Ken-VHL> WOW !!!

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God. (Ezekiel 36:28 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> I will save you from all your uncleanness. I will call for the grain and make it plentiful and will not bring famine upon you. (Ezekiel 36:29 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> I will increase the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field, so that you will no longer suffer disgrace among the nations because of famine. (Ezekiel 36:30 NIV)

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. (Ezekiel 36:31 NIV)

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign LORD. Be ashamed and disgraced for your conduct, O house of Israel! (Ezekiel 36:32 NIV)

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> Yes, WOW is right - it's an amazing thing

[21:40] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Confess your sins and receive the Grace of God.

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> OK - I'm gonna sit back now and listen to your comments :)

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez - exactly

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Here's where you put in "your comments" LOL

[21:41] <Hope-VHL> 7Bob what you quoted from Ezekiel 36:25-27..........it IS being fulfilled! Have you been to the site of The Temple Mount faithful.......you should read .....LOL

[21:41] <Ken-VHL> I am glad He has a plan, and is following it.

[21:42] <Hope-VHL> 7what the founder experienced........

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Hope - but when they get the "new heart" in it's fulness, they will recognize Jesus as their Messiah and Lord!

[21:42] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes!

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, what a GREAT game plan, huh Ken! Flawless!

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> Go God! :)

[21:43] <Hope-VHL> 7RIGHT! but that is WHEN they SEE Him......the one they pierced...they'll recognize Him

[21:43] <Ken-VHL> That is what I wanted to hear. Thanks!:-)

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> True, Hope, but I'm starting to believe that many many of them will acknowledge Him before that time, and in fact that will be what prompts Him to return! We have looked at a few Scriptures that indicate that recently

[21:46] <Hope-VHL> 7I truly believe that God is using them for His purpose and when HE is ready, their eyes will be opened........OH I BELIEVE that too! But MANY already are accepting Him as their Messiah

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> OK - we have an official Chat Lull :)

[21:46] <Hope-VHL> 7;)

[21:46] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Well it says in Deut. 28 that we will have an abundance in blessings when we put him first

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> yes, many! in recent years, many more than for centuries!

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Right, Runningdear!

[21:47] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12and if we don't we have all the curses that it describes

[21:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. (NIV Rev 1:7)

[21:47] <Ken-VHL> Seek ye first the Kingdom Of GOD . . .

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Yeah Yeah Yeah!

[21:47] <Hope-VHL> 7THAT's right Runningdeer!

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Look!

[21:48] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I mean this is SERIOUS1

[21:48] <Hope-VHL> 7EVERY knee will bow!

[21:48] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12God doesn't play games

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Serious stuff, the Word of God!

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> To be taken very seriously

[21:48] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes very serious stuff

[21:48] <Hope-VHL> 7If He does, I want to be on His team! :)

[21:48] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> He speaks, we gotta listen!

[21:49] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> You are on His team!

[21:49] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Amen

[21:49] <Hope-VHL> 7If you are truly His, He will MAKE you listen!

[21:49] <Ken-VHL> Yes, Amen.

[21:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The crucible for silver and the furnace for gold, but the LORD tests the heart. (NIV Prov. 17:3)

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Got that right- He loves His children and disciplines them

[21:49] <Hope-VHL> 7He only disciplines His own!

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> for their good - boy do I know it! :)

[21:50] <Hope-VHL> 7ME TOO! ;)

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> To mold us, and refine us - it's hard sometimes, painful

[21:50] <Hope-VHL> 7Yeah, but when you come through it........boy, what a difference!

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Cuz we are stubborn children

[21:51] <Bezalel-VHL> 2We are facing some very serious trials and tribulations, to test our hearts.

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> That's right

[21:51] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> We need to remember that when we face troubles so we don't lose heart

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> that God is refining us

[21:51] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12They are called growing pains

[21:51] <Hope-VHL> 7that's right!

[21:51] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen, Bob! :-)

[21:51] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Here's a promise I've been holding to a lot recently

[21:52] <Hope-VHL> 7AND hey! THIS is NOT our home! we're just passing through here for a "little while"

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> "Those who trust in Him will NEVER be disappointed!"

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Right, Hope!

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Put your confidence in Him, and He will come through for you!

[21:53] <Ken-VHL> Time for me to close. Shalom everyone. GOD bless you all.:-)

[21:53] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen Hope!

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> See ya Ken! God bless you, buddy!

[21:53] <Hope-VHL> 7We need to stay focused.....what is really important......our job, our house, our "things", or that people are dieing every day without a Savior!

[21:53] <Hope-VHL> 7God bless you Ken;)

[21:53] <Dex-VHL761> 5Bob I think that the restoration that is spoken of refers to the millenial age after the rapture

[21:54] <Dex-VHL761> 5im sorry.

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Which, Dex?

[21:54] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night, Ken

[21:54] <Dex-VHL761> 5after the tribulation is what i meant

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[21:54] <Dex-VHL761> 5the second half of the blessing

[21:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Back in the late 80's I had gone through a situation blindly that would cause my faith to skyrocket

[21:54] <Hope-VHL> 7sorry, you don't have to be sorry in here.....everyone is entitled to an opinion :)

[21:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12And now I see that all this was not in vain either

[21:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12By Ken

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Dex, I think you are right, that certain parts of what we read there will only be completely fulfilled at that time

[21:55] <Dex-VHL761> 5I think that the tribulation is what brings the Jews back to God

[21:55] <Hope-VHL> 7When you can look back and realize how God is working in your life, that's when the growing begins...

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> There's a lot of debate about that Dex - but it seems, from this passage anyway, that it will also be God's blessings to them that will help open their eyes

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> how He has been faithful in fulfilling these promises regarding their land, in spite of the fact that they by and large have not trusted in Him

[21:57] <Dex-VHL761> 5Amen. His covenants are everlasting

[21:57] <Dex-VHL761> 5and the covenant still stands

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> Yes

[21:57] <Hope-VHL> 7boy, now a days someone's word doesn't mean much......broken promises, lies everywhere.......what a breath of fresh air, to KNOW that God keeps His promises!

[21:58] <Dex-VHL761> 5even though many Christians have deemed them null and void since Christ but thet are as true now as ever

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2He provides food for those who fear him; he remembers his covenant forever. (NIV Psalms 111:7)

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> Right Hope - I am amazed at why God would want to keep working in me sometimes - but He does it for His purposes - He is a master at trash reclamation :)

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> Thats right, Dex!

[21:59] <Hope-VHL> 7LOL! :) I KNOW, I stand amazed at why He even bothers with me!

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Yes, He sure does, Hope!

[21:59] <Dex-VHL761> 5God has a covenant with Isreal extablished with Israel in the old Testament and one with the Gentiles established with Christ in the new testament. One is as good as the other and both are still valid.

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> God - the first to do trash recycling :)

[22:00] <Hope-VHL> 7LOL!

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Well put, Dex

[22:00] <Hope-VHL> 7and we think we come up with these new inventions!

[22:00] <Hope-VHL> 7LOL

[22:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I've never thought of myself as recycled, Bob. :->

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[22:00] <Hope-VHL> 7HEY! any of you that have MUTUAL FUNDS or MONEY MARKET FUNDS.......

[22:01] <Hope-VHL> 7just a sec....off the subject

[22:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12My window is acting crazy tonight

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> (aside to the others - I met Hope, and she's a great talker - not a shy retiring type at all) :)

[22:02] <Hope-VHL> 7THERE IS a rally that will be taking place REALLY SOON......if any of you have MUTUAL FUNDS or MONEY Market funds...when the rally takes place YOU BETTER CASH IT OUT....get it out of there, and put it into a savings account

[22:02] <Hope-VHL> 7LOL......NO THIS IS SERIOUS

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[22:02] <Hope-VHL> 7REMEMBER, you heard it here........don't lose your money

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> thanks for the tip, Ms. Wall Street :)

[22:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I'm having a hard time following tonight

[22:03] <Hope-VHL> 7LOL!!!! ;) You are welcome!

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Sorry, RunningDeer

[22:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12My wiondow keeps freezing up and everything

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I know, that happens sometimes - annoying

[22:04] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes it doess

[22:04] <Hope-VHL> 7ok, enough of that (I had to say that)

[22:04] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12What is your email addrewss Bob before you get away?

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> OK - where do go next? Any ideas?

[22:04] <Hope-VHL> 7ummmmm

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> use this one now that Zionmail is down: Bob_Westbrook@ureach.com

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> there's an underscore character in there

[22:05] <Hope-VHL> 7Hey, Runningdeer, have you read Bob's article on the war in the horizon......what is the name of it Bob?

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> I'm open for topics, questions, whatever

[22:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Can we look at prophecy concerning the upcoming regional war?

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> That's it - War on the Horizon

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> sure, Bez

[22:06] <Hope-VHL> 7GREAT ARTICLE!

[22:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Don't you usually point to Ezekial and Zechariah?

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> Lets see, where should we start

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> OK, we can start with Zechariah

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> Just to note - the book of Zechariah is broken into two major sections

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> the first eight chapters being one

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> and chapters nine and following are a series of "oracles" - much of it about end times

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> though there is plenty of end times stuff in the first eight also

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> anyway, here we go

[22:08] <Hope-VHL> 7;)

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> The word of the LORD is against the land of Hadrach and will rest upon Damascus-- for the eyes of men and all the tribes of Israel are on the LORD-- (Zechariah 9:1 NIV)

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> and upon Hamath too, which borders on it, and upon Tyre and Sidon, though they are very skillful. (Zechariah 9:2 NIV)

[22:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That's the one....

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[22:09] <VCI-Bob> This, and Isaiah 17, are the two primary chapters foretelling judgment on Damascus

[22:09] <Hope-VHL> 7ok, wait......where is Hamath....Tyre and Sidon

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> OK - good question

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> the "land of Hadrach" is parts of Syria

[22:09] <Rich-VHL> 7Hi Bob Bez Dex Hope deer

[22:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Rich

[22:09] <Hope-VHL> 7Hi Rich! :)

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> Hamath is probably the region of modern day city Hama in Syria

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> Tyre and Sidon are cities in modern day Lebanon

[22:10] <Hope-VHL> 7ok

[22:10] <Rich-VHL> 7had trouble getting here had to read the article first then I got right in

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> Let me give another translation of verse 1:

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> The burden of the word of the LORD is against the land of Hadrach, with Damascus as its resting place (for the eyes of men, especially of all the tribes of Israel, are toward the LORD), (Zechariah 9:1 NASB)

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> "burden" is a weighty word of judgment, and it will fall on Damascus will full emphasis

[22:11] <Rich-VHL> 7yes it will Bob

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> And when that happens, (as Isaiah also indicates) it will cause Israel to look to the Lord

[22:12] <Hope-VHL> 7total annihilation for Damascus right

[22:12] <Rich-VHL> 7I hope so

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> now, remember, that both in Isaiah and here, there are "near" and "far" fulfillments - some fulfillment historically in the time of the Assyrians, but future fulfillment also

[22:12] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Hope as that is what Isaiah says in verse 17

[22:12] <Hope-VHL> 7well at that time, won't the world be against Israel? so they have no choice but to look UP

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> right, Hope

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[22:13] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Liz

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> So - we see Syria and Lebanon involved here

[22:13] <Rich-VHL> 7hi different

[22:13] <Hope-VHL> 7hi different name :)

[22:13] <Rich-VHL> 7is that you Liz

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Skipping down:

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Ashkelon will see it and fear; Gaza will writhe in agony, and Ekron too, for her hope will wither. Gaza will lose her king and Ashkelon will be deserted. (Zechariah 9:5 NIV)

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Foreigners will occupy Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines. (Zechariah 9:6 NIV)

[22:14] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> ok - it says "will see it" - these are the Philistine cities of old

[22:14] <Hope-VHL> 7Ok, here we go again with the names of the locations

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[22:14] <Hope-VHL> 7ok

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> and what they are seeing... is the demise of Damascus

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> If we extend the Philistines to the modern day Palestinians.....

[22:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Gaza will lose her king. Arafat?

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> I think what is saying her is...

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Bingo, Bez

[22:15] <Hope-VHL> 7Bob, do you think Iraq is mentioned at all?

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Not here, Hope, but other places (Psalm 83) for instance

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> What it is saying is - the Palestinians will be in league with Syria in this war, but when they "see IT" (Damascus destuction) they will be extremely dismayed

[22:17] <Rich-VHL> 7gotta get to bed friends May God Bless Israel and all of you all too good night

[22:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Maybe then, they'll realize they aren't riding the winning horse.

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Zephaniah also speaks of this

[22:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Rich

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> See ya Rich!

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[22:17] <Dex-VHL761> 5God Bless you Rich

[22:18] <Dex-VHL761> 5Back up for a minute Bob.

[22:18] <Hope-VHL> 7so do you think THIS is the war that will take place soon?

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> The fall of the Philistines, with both a local and a long range fulfillment

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Dex?

[22:18] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12By Rich

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> I do, Hope

[22:18] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12God bless you

[22:18] <Dex-VHL761> 5Where is Askelon and Ekron

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> There were five Philistine cities

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> all roughly along the coast, near Gaza

[22:19] <Dex-VHL761> 5thanks

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> remember the "five lords of the philistines" in the OT?

[22:19] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I'm trying to keep fcused

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> one for each city

[22:19] <Hope-VHL> 7so all this will take place, chaos everywhere, because obviously it will probably be Nuclear....then suddenly a "man of peace" steps in and calms everyone....

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> Now, of course, Gaza is the only one in Palestinian hands, and it is their HQ

[22:20] <Hope-VHL> 7wait, what five lords?

[22:20] <Dex-VHL761> 5Bob Where was Arafat born?

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> yes, Hope, perhaps in the aftermath

[22:20] <Hope-VHL> 7EGYPT

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> In Egypt, I believe, Dex

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> thanks, Hope :)

[22:20] <Hope-VHL> 7;)

[22:20] <Dex-VHL761> 5Thanks

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> for example:

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> "This is the land that remains: all the regions of the Philistines and Geshurites: (Joshua 13:2 NIV)

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> from the Shihor River on the east of Egypt to the territory of Ekron on the north, all of it counted as Canaanite( the territory of the five Philistine rulers in Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Gath and Ekron--that of the Avvites); (Joshua 13:3 NIV)

[22:21] <Hope-VHL> 7we are REALLY reaching that boiling point......did you see how Sadamm Housain (spell check) has his troops READY on Syria's border?

[22:22] <Hope-VHL> 7ok

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> Yes Hope - he's just waiting for a pretext so that he can appear as the glorious savior of the Palestinians and the great ruler to unite all Arabs

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> against Israel, of course

[22:22] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Those prophesies are so precise, it pretty chilling to see the nations moving against Israel today.

[22:23] <Hope-VHL> 7What a JERK!

[22:23] <Hope-VHL> 7Sadam that is!

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> He's a mere puppet in God's hand :)

[22:23] <Dex-VHL761> 5Was perhaps Arafat born in this northern region of Egypt. If so it would be a perfect fit.

[22:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[22:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2God seems to enjoy using evil people for His purposes.

[22:24] <Hope-VHL> 7fit for what the antichrist? The antichrist is supposed to come from the NORTH of Israel

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> That's right Bez - even those who oppose Him are there for His glory!

[22:24] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Wait I did send you something

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> Write it down, folks - Arafat is NOT the antichrist :)

[22:25] <Hope-VHL> 7THAT's right, BOB, I TOTALLY agree!

[22:25] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12And God will to Bez and he does all trhe time

[22:25] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Too obvious.

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> he's too ugly :) and not charasmatic at all :)

[22:25] <Dex-VHL761> 5I agree Bob. I was speaking of "Gaza will lose her king''......

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> right, Dex!

[22:26] <Hope-VHL> 7LOL!!!! You sound like Judy!

[22:26] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Who said he was the antichrist?

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> I do think that may be speaking of Arafat

[22:26] <Dex-VHL761> 5That's why I asked where he was born at

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> and we may see that very very soon

[22:26] <Hope-VHL> 7Yeah, but Arafat is going to get destroyed.....hopefully SOON!

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> I don't wish his demise, of course, but I would not expect to see his face around much mroe

[22:27] <Hope-VHL> 7You're being too kind!

[22:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 2With the state of USA's military, Israel will be alone in this war (with just a "little" help from the Lord.)

[22:27] <Hope-VHL> 7Ok, I'm being mean.......still he is TOTALLY against Christians, he is a type of antichrist

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> Bez, there are several other places as well

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Scriptures I mean

[22:28] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Oh ok

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Bez, the US will not actively help Israel, in my opinion

[22:28] <Hope-VHL> 7LOL, just a "little" Bez......

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> yes, he is one of the many antichrists that John spoke of

[22:29] <Dex-VHL761> 5Geographically we have covered all of Israels borders tonight with the exception of Egypt.

[22:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Thanks Bob. Needed refreshment of the Zech reference.

[22:29] <Hope-VHL> 7It's going to be SOOOO obvious it's God defending Israel.....I mean, they are surrounded by the enemy on ALL sides

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Dex - and it's my opinion that Egypt will be the big exception - no participation in this upcoming war

[22:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2UN Resolutions voted 144-1.

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> not mentioned in any of the places I see

[22:30] <Dex-VHL761> 5Why so

[22:30] <Dex-VHL761> 5You think they hold out for the final battle

[22:30] <Dex-VHL761> 5 7 or so years later

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Well, politically, Egypt has been somewhat less bellicose in their statements now than the other Arab countries

[22:30] <Hope-VHL> 7who in their right mind.....except us of course, since we have the future in writing.....would believe that Israel could possibly win! It's soooo awesome how God works!

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> Dex, interestingly, Egypt is not mentioned in the Ezekiel 38 & 39 scenario either

[22:31] <Dex-VHL761> 5Yes Mubarak is not as anti israel as he was some years ago

[22:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And when Israel (the Lord) destroys Damascus, that will really bring the world down on them.

[22:31] <Hope-VHL> 7I wonder why this "peace" meeting that is taking place NOW between Arafat and Barak is in Egypt?

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> And... Egypt, I get the sense, is a little more realistic about the prospect of getting their butts kicked by Israel after their thorough whooppings in 48, 56, 67, and 73

[22:32] <Dex-VHL761> 5What of the Kings of the south In Revelation

[22:32] <Hope-VHL> 7right LOL

[22:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Genetic memory in Egypt?

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Dex - perhaps

[22:33] <Hope-VHL> 7LOL

[22:33] <Dex-VHL761> 5I've heard this attributed to countries from Sudan to you name it

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> uh huh

[22:34] <Dex-VHL761> 5I find that the less I understand Prophecy the more I speculate............so I try to keep quiet mostly and listen.

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> Be back in a few minutes - keep on chatting folks

[22:34] <Hope-VHL> 7:)

[22:34] <Hope-VHL> 7us chatter boxes!

[22:34] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yak, yak, yak, yak....

[22:34] <Hope-VHL> 7LOL

[22:35] <Dex-VHL761> 5Bez I agree with Bob on the US question. I think we will be out of it

[22:35] <Dex-VHL761> 5for one reason or another.

[22:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes...there is no morale, equipment, or training available in US military to intervene now.

[22:36] <Hope-VHL> 7Yeah, we always make promises that we won't keep.......we SAY we'll defend them...but really

[22:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And that is the Clinton legacy.

[22:36] <Dex-VHL761> 5one ex vet to another. our military isn't what is used to be and though it show promise with Bush I don't know how much it can change given the situation of the economy and spending of the Dems.

[22:36] <Hope-VHL> 7I'm talking about the U.S. here

[22:37] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes he still wants to hang around doesn't he?

[22:37] <Hope-VHL> 7leach!

[22:37] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12the whitehosue I mean

[22:37] <Bezalel-VHL> 2It took Reagan 8 years to recover from 4 years of Carter. Can you imagine the state of the forces after 8 years of Clinton?

[22:37] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12fleas are hard to get rid of

[22:38] <Dex-VHL761> 5I've lost all my contacts so i can only speculate..

[22:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The compa[ny I work for provides services to Navy bases on the West Coast. I do see some of it.

[22:39] <Hope-VHL> 7Dex, do you read worldnetdaily.com?

[22:39] <Dex-VHL761> 5never heard of it

[22:39] <Hope-VHL> 7GREAT NEWS site.....I really think you would like it.... http://www.worldnetdaily.com

[22:40] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's cool Bez

[22:40] <Dex-VHL761> 5Actually I don't read much or watch much save the Bible, various books on prophecy and what ever is said here.

[22:40] <Dex-VHL761> 5Thanks Hope.

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> I'm back - I recently started an outline of events as I understand they may happen soon....

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> and I'm going to preview it for you

[22:41] <Hope-VHL> 7it's a news site which TELLS IT LIKE IT IS......it isn't bought like the rest of them CNN etc.....

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> but first, I have a personal prayer request

[22:41] <Hope-VHL> 7GREAT!!!!BOB

[22:41] <Hope-VHL> 7go on

[22:41] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Welcome back Bob!

[22:41] <Dex-VHL761> 5Shoot Bob......... not literally

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> My diabetes, which I was diagnosed with about a year ago, is not under good control - because of my lack of self-control with diet-exercise

[22:42] <Dex-VHL761> 5:-)

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> and it's becoming a concern

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[22:42] <Hope-VHL> 7I'll lift you up in prayer Bob!

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[22:43] <VCI-Bob> thanks for your prayers on that

[22:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Oh Lord, uphold dear Bob. Give him healing and strength.

[22:43] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes God

[22:43] <Runningdeer-VHL> God I stand in prayer for my brother Bob

[22:44] <Runningdeer-VHL> God I speak a word ogf healing for myt brother right now in your name oh God

[22:44] <Dex-VHL761> 5Lord please strengthen Bob in his will to control his diet and exercise so that he may continue to do your bidding

[22:44] <Runningdeer-VHL> Thank you Jesus for you are our healer

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> Thanks, friends :)

[22:45] <VCI-Bob> ok, here's my speculative outline:

[22:45] <Bezalel-VHL> 2His leadership and guidance is needed in these times of tribulation. Allow him to provide strength to us all.

[22:45] <Hope-VHL> 7WAIT BOB, did you read my question

[22:45] <Dex-VHL761> 5Bob, I will be more that happy to share what i know about controlling this if you like. I'm a nurse

[22:45] <Hope-VHL> 7oops sorry

[22:45] <VCI-Bob> no, missed it hope - please repeat :)

[22:45] <Hope-VHL> 7COOL!

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> Thanks, Dex!

[22:46] <Dex-VHL761> 5just name the time and place

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> I appreciate that

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> ok :)

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> Hope - what the ???

[22:47] <VCI-Bob> what is the question you had?

[22:47] <Hope-VHL> 7Sounds dumb but FRESH Carrot juice seems to work miracles.......I mean alot of it...have you ever heard that...for the diabetes......

[22:47] <VCI-Bob> that first one didn't come out right :)

[22:47] <VCI-Bob> carrot juice? yuckola!

[22:47] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[22:48] <Hope-VHL> 7I mean you should get a JUICER........a good one......and really try it!

[22:48] <Dex-VHL761> 5Not many have the free services of a dedicated PERSONAL nurse. :-)

[22:48] <VCI-Bob> you can see I'm a difficult patient :)

[22:48] <VCI-Bob> yes, indeed, Dex! :)

[22:48] <Hope-VHL> 7LOL Dex, how sweet!

[22:48] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:49] <Dex-VHL761> 5I specialize in difficult patients.:->

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> Here's the outline - not entirely developed yet

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> The "peace process" will fail

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> Another war, this time with Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and the Palestinians, maybe Iraq and Saudi Arabia

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> Damascus will be destroyed in that war

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> Portions of Lebanon and the northern Jordan Valley area near Syria will be burned and ruined

[22:50] <Runningdeer-VHL> Have you heard the story about the juiceman?

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> Israel will unexpectedly gain large amounts of new territory, including parts of southern Lebanon up to the Sidon region, all of the West Bank (again) and much land in Jordan on the east bank of the Jordan River, and the Gaza strip

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> Israel will experience a time of peace and security, free from the terrorism and harassment that they have experienced for decades

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> Most of the Arabs will leave the land of Israel, including Judea, Samaria, and Gaza

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> The international community will severely criticize and ostracize Israel

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> The Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount will be destroyed by some extraordinary events

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> The political climate will change drastically, to the end that the Arabs will be too feeble to resist the rebuilding of the Temple

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> That's it

[22:51] <Hope-VHL> 7AWESOME!!!!

[22:51] <Hope-VHL> 7kind of depressing, but unless it happens we won't see our LORD!

[22:51] <Dex-VHL761> 5That sounds pretty plausable, in fact the most I've heard yet but

[22:52] <VCI-Bob> And, all of that is from the Scriptures

[22:52] <VCI-Bob> indirectly, anyway

[22:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The ostracization(?) will contribute to Israel return to the Lord?

[22:52] <Dex-VHL761> 5explain where the destruction of the Temple Mount by Extraordinay events is supported

[22:52] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez - that's in Isaiah 17

[22:53] <VCI-Bob> Dex, in Zechariah - let me find it

[22:53] <VCI-Bob> not the Temple Mount, the Dome of the Rock

[22:53] <VCI-Bob> So he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty. (Zechariah 4:6 NIV)

[22:53] <VCI-Bob> "What are you, O mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of 'God bless it! God bless it!'" (Zechariah 4:7 NIV)

[22:53] <Dex-VHL761> 5ok but where

[22:54] <VCI-Bob> The "mighty mountain" is the obstacle to rebuilding

[22:54] <VCI-Bob> But God's Spirit will level it

[22:54] <Hope-VHL> 7Unfortunately it's my time to go.......BOB, you should put this on your site!!!!!....I'll have to read the transcripts......May God bless you all and I'll pray for you Bob! Keep the fire burning HOT for HIM!!!! ;)

[22:54] <Dex-VHL761> 5I see.

[22:55] <VCI-Bob> You have heard that verse many times, and never knew it talked about the Dome of the Rock :)

[22:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Hope.

[22:55] <VCI-Bob> See ya, Hope! God bless you, and tell Abe we said Hi!!!

[22:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> Good night hope

[22:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12God bless you now

[22:55] <Dex-VHL761> 5The shouting is the cheering for the rebuilding

[22:55] <Hope-VHL> 7He said Hi earlier, I'll tell him......take care all!

[22:55] <VCI-Bob> Yes, right!

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[22:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12By

[22:55] <VCI-Bob> For the laying of the cornerstone to the new Temple

[22:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12God bless

[22:55] <Dex-VHL761> 5God Bless you Hope

[22:56] <Dex-VHL761> 5Makes perfect sense.

[22:56] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And Zerubbabel is anointed to rebuild the temple....wonderful prophecy.

[22:56] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes amen

[22:57] <Dex-VHL761> 5This has to occur prior to the tribulation also

[22:58] <VCI-Bob> Well, folks, I'm getting tired :)

[22:58] <VCI-Bob> Yes

[22:58] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok Bob

[22:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. (NIV Rev 20:5)

[22:58] <Dex-VHL761> 5because the Spirit is taken from the world prior to.

[22:58] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Thanks for the address!

[22:59] <VCI-Bob> Night, everyone - thanks for making this chat very enjoyable!

[22:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I've often wondered that

[22:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Thank you Bob

[22:59] <Dex-VHL761> 5God Bless you Bob and this has been the most eye opening chat I have seen yet. A sincere thanks and let me know if i can help with that other problem and i mean it

[22:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Get your rest Bob....eat right, and exercise. We NEED you.

[22:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Bob

[22:59] <VCI-Bob> :) I plan to be around for awhile yet :) Night :)

[23:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night All....I'm off to spend time with my wife.

[23:00] <Dex-VHL761> 5:->

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