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[20:03] <Dex-VHL> 7Hi Bob

[20:03] <LIZ-VHL> WOW WE GOT ALOT TO TALK ABOUT HUH

[20:03] <Barbara-VHL> 2ahhh...It's cold in Florida tonight too

[20:03] <Bezalel-VHL> You caught us Bob....we snuck outta class. :-)

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> I was sitting over in the "prophecy" room waiting, but I see there was no link to it! :)

[20:04] <Dex-VHL> 7Still burning chads for heat?

[20:04] <LIZ-VHL> 2haha bez

[20:04] <Barbara-VHL> 2nope...no link

[20:04] <LIZ-VHL> 2oops bob

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[20:04] <LIZ-VHL> 2hi rich

[20:04] <Barbara-VHL> 2Hi Rich

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> Good to see you all here tonight!

[20:05] <LIZ-VHL> 2did you venture over to that site???

[20:05] <LIZ-VHL> 2oh excited bob

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> You're excited Liz?

[20:05] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Barb Bob Bez Liz Dex

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Hi Rich :)

[20:05] <Barbara-VHL> 26Who is BobW...?

[20:05] <LIZ-VHL> 2well yes just read the news

[20:05] <Dex-VHL> 7Hi Rich

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> That's the other "me" LOL

[20:05] <Barbara-VHL> 6I was wondering

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> What news, Liz?

[20:06] <Rich-VHL> 7two of you huh Bob

[20:06] <LIZ-VHL> 2other than i am having marital problems and was in ER last night I am great

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[20:06] <Bezalel-VHL> I thought Bob W was a co-founder of AA. :-)

[20:06] <LIZ-VHL> 2oh bob just all the news of the temple mount

[20:06] <Barbara-VHL> 6grief, liz...what was ER all about?

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Gloria

[20:06] <Barbara-VHL> 6Shalom, Gloria

[20:06] <LIZ-VHL> 2well barb i haad major major panic attack bp was 180/110

[20:06] <Rich-VHL> 7whats that liz er doesn't sound good

[20:07] <Gloria-VHL> Hi everyone and God Bless

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> I've been quite bothered today by the news of what Barak is doing, trying to make some sense of it

[20:07] <LIZ-VHL> 2i was totally out of control

[20:07] <Barbara-VHL> 6oh dear, Liz...OI'm sorry

[20:07] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Gloria

[20:07] <LIZ-VHL> 2then my hubby almost made me walk home and cussed me out

[20:07] <Barbara-VHL> 6Are you feeling better tonight?

[20:07] <LIZ-VHL> 2he did not even come to see me

[20:07] <LIZ-VHL> 2i am fine tonight

[20:07] <Rich-VHL> 7me too Bob have you come with anything yet

[20:08] <LIZ-VHL> 2yeah bob it does not make sense

[20:08] <Barbara-VHL> 6Why do the members of Knesset and all others allow this to happen, Bob?

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Do you realize that this is an unprecedented time in human history? For before, the Jews have been driven out of Jerusalem, but never before have they willingly just surrendered it

[20:08] <Rich-VHL> 7thats good liz keep Jesus on your mind

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> Barak must be getting guidance from Al Gore.

[20:08] <Barbara-VHL> 6right, Bez....

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> This cannot continue as it is - something is going to happen to stop Barak's foolishness

[20:08] <LIZ-VHL> 2hey bob possibility could he be antichrist or he does not fit the profile

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> no, Liz

[20:09] <LIZ-VHL> 2oh taht was a quick answer lol

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:09] <Bezalel-VHL> Wouldn't the Knesset have to approve any treaty, even now?

[20:09] <Barbara-VHL> 6Deffinately....SOMETHING is going to happen...soon!

[20:09] <Gloria-VHL> I haven't heard any news what is going on

[20:09] <LIZ-VHL> 2i watched a video today on temple mount faithful it made me cry it was so awesome

[20:09] <Rich-VHL> 7thats right Barb I can feel it

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> I'm not sure of the official procedures, Bez, but supposedly it has to go to a public referendum first

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Right - I agree, Rich

[20:10] <LIZ-VHL> 2would it pass

[20:10] <Barbara-VHL> 6\I'm thinking that something will happen HERE to put the "peace talks" on hold

[20:10] <LIZ-VHL> 2are there more secular than religious jews

[20:10] <LIZ-VHL> 2i agree barb God will stop it somehow

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> (NIV Prov 6:16) There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:

[20:10] <LIZ-VHL> 2wow i am chatty tonight sorry lol

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> I think, however, that there may be a larger reason behind God allowing Barak to do this - that the people of Israel will turn their attention to the Lord and begin to call out to Him

[20:11] <Rich-VHL> 7thats right ez

[20:11] <Bezalel-VHL> haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,

[20:11] <LIZ-VHL> 2ooohhhhhhh

[20:11] <Rich-VHL> 7Bez

[20:11] <Barbara-VHL> 6Got to be something like that\, Bob

[20:11] <Bezalel-VHL> a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil,

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> For even the most casual and unconcerned Jew has in his heart special feelings for Jerusalem

[20:11] <Bezalel-VHL> a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

[20:11] <LIZ-VHL> 2Has Barak gone insane bob

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[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Seems like it, Liz

[20:12] <Barbara-VHL> 6And they all pretty much are devoted to YHWH

[20:12] <Bezalel-VHL> (NIV Proverbs 6:16-19)

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[20:12] <Rich-VHL> 7hi red

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> It seems insane to me - words cannot express how horrible is Barak's (Clinton's) proposal

[20:13] <Barbara-VHL> 6shalom, red

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Red

[20:13] <red-VHL364> hello everyone, got a phone call from a long distant relative just as I was about to log on. What did I miss?

[20:13] <Gloria-VHL> What has Barak done?

[20:13] <Rich-VHL> 7Bob how much of Jerusalem is Barak talking about

[20:14] <Barbara-VHL> 6Why isn't the World concerned about all of this? NO news tonight about Israel

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Talking about the news that Israel is ready to give up 95% of Yesha (Judea, Samaria and Gaza) and 5% of Israel proper, and relinquish all claims to the Temple Mount

[20:14] <Rich-VHL> 7OH NO it can't be

[20:14] <red-VHL364> that doesn't sound good. is arafat bitting?

[20:14] <Gloria-VHL> Dear Jesus No

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Barbara, because as long as things are going the way the major news organizations like it about Israel, they are not going to stir it up

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Uncertain, Red

[20:15] <Barbara-VHL> 6It's inconceiveable!!

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> But it's my feeling that this will not continue - that something momentous will shortly happen to stop this

[20:15] <Dex-VHL> 77Has it occurred to anyone but me that Clinton, Barak and Arafat all have nothing to loose but much to gain. Clinton and Barak are lame ducks and Arafat only stands to gain. I don't see that he can lose if this passes.

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Barak is a desperate man, politically - he will do anything to save himself, apparently

[20:16] <Barbara-VHL> 6The three greatest EGOs going right now!!!

[20:16] <Rich-VHL> 7Bob will it happen

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> and Clinton, of course, only thinks about himself anyway

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> And Arafat, well, nothing needs to be said about HIM

[20:16] <Rich-VHL> 7I don't think it ever will Bob

[20:16] <Gloria-VHL> They can never give enough land to make the arafat happy

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Rich, I don't know, I don't think so

[20:16] <red-VHL364> how is this "saving himself" won't the Isrealie people be upset?

[20:17] <Dex-VHL> 7p.s I didn't mean that former comment to sound condescending, but it reads like that.

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Right, Gloria - Arafat and his crew will never be happy until the Jews have been entirely been driven out of the Holy Land

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Red, more and more of them are upset at Barak

[20:17] <Barbara-VHL> 6no problem, Dex...we don't see any wrongs here...:-)

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> they see his actions as entirely self-serving and a betrayal to their Jewish faith and heritage

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> But - the God of Israel has more in mind than that - because it is, first of all, a betrayal of HIM

[20:18] <Rich-VHL> 7thats good Bob maybe Barak won't be taken seriously

[20:19] <Barbara-VHL> 6That's right...Those who oppose Israel...oppose G'd!!!

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[20:19] <Rich-VHL> 7I know Bob thats what hurts me Barak has brtayed God

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> So much has happened since we chatted last - both Netanyahu and Peres have failed in their attempts for the PM job

[20:19] <Bezalel-VHL> Did Peres drop out?

[20:20] <red-VHL364> what is left if arafat takes the deal?

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[20:20] <Gloria-VHL> Amen

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> No, the Meretz party did not come through in support of him, effectively killing his chances for a run

[20:20] <LIZ-VHL> 2do you think sharon will get it

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Sure looks like it now, Liz

[20:20] <Dex-VHL> 7Bob I tend to think what this will mean if it doesn't pass. I don't think it stands as chance. I wonder about the worsening conditions in Isreal if this is sent to a public referendum and is shot down. Don't you feel that this will worsen the conditions due to the arabs seeing it as a slap in the face?

[20:20] <Rich-VHL> 7red do you think the people will allow the deal

[20:20] <LIZ-VHL> 2oooh i read up on him

[20:20] <LIZ-VHL> 2and he seems wow like he would be great for israel

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Dex, yes it will "worsen conditions" - but to me that seems inevitable anyway, and as such is not necessarily a "bad" thing

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz, he might be the right one for Israel now

[20:21] <LIZ-VHL> 2is he healthy bob

[20:22] <Bezalel-VHL> The Palestinian reaction to Sharon election would be, to say the least, interesting....

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz, but old

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> True, Bez

[20:22] <Rich-VHL> 79conditions have to get worse before they get better Dex

[20:22] <LIZ-VHL> 2i read on his military experiences and hes crazy but a good crazy

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> they would yell and scream a lot about it, Bez

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[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Well, I would not say he is crazy at all

[20:22] <Bezalel-VHL> Maybe they would back off intifada?

[20:22] <red-VHL364> rich get a different color, you are blinding me- ha ha ha

[20:22] <Rich-VHL> 96lime is too bright

[20:22] <LIZ-VHL> 2rich that color tooooooo bright

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> His autobiography is called "Warrior" and that is what he is

[20:23] <Rich-VHL> 6i found out too liz

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> his viewpoint of the issues tends to be more objective and realistic than many in Israel

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> and because of that he is view as a "war-monger"

[20:23] <LIZ-VHL> 2he is not religious right

[20:23] <Rich-VHL> 6Bez missed you last monday

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> no, he is not

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[20:24] <LIZ-VHL> 2why such passion for his land then

[20:24] <Bezalel-VHL> I couldn't get the site up, Rich....plus had to babysit for my grandsons.

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> What, Liz?

[20:24] <Rich-VHL> 6I thought maybe Bez

[20:24] <Dex-VHL> 7I think that if Sharon is elected and the civil war continues he will have no choice but to escalate the situation to bring it under control. Do you seeing Israel seizing control of Temple Mount in this?

[20:24] <LIZ-VHL> 2why is he so passionate about israel

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[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Dex, that's a strong possibility - things could escalate greatly at any time

[20:25] <LIZ-VHL> 2i thought the only truly passionate ones were religious

[20:25] <Rich-VHL> 6hi Geneva

[20:25] <Geneva-VHL> Hi

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Why? He's a Jew :)

[20:25] <Barbara-VHL> 6shalomn, Geneva

[20:25] <Dex-VHL> 7possible or probable?

[20:25] <Bezalel-VHL> :-), Bob

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Hello, Geneva

[20:25] <red-VHL364> hi Geneva

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Jews like Barak are "abnormal" in my thinking - they do not understand the import of Jerusalem and the land

[20:25] <LIZ-VHL> 2okay bob i am new learner to israel stuff about 2 years since i came back to the Lord

[20:25] <Gloria-VHL> Hi Geneva

[20:26] <Geneva-VHL> Hi to everyone out there Glad to be here have missed several weeks

[20:26] <LIZ-VHL> 2hi geneva

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Also, Liz, he's been a farmer all his life

[20:26] <LIZ-VHL> 2okay?????

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> along with soldier and politician, of couse

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> course

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> Dez, in my viewpoint, very probable

[20:27] <Geneva-VHL> What is the subject tonight

[20:27] <Rich-VHL> 6who's that again Bob

[20:27] <Dex-VHL> 7i agree

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> I really don't think the Lord is going to allow this treacherous offer of Barak to succeed

[20:27] <Bezalel-VHL> Does being a farmer link him to the settlements more than most?

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Bez, that, and with his keen military mind, he understands better than most, and has for many years, the vital strategic importance of the hill country of Judea and Samaria

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> He was instrumental, many years ago, in seeing that the first settlements progressed after 1967

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[20:29] <Bezalel-VHL> Wb Bob

[20:29] <Rich-VHL> 6he'll be back Bez

[20:29] <Barbara-VHL> 6where's you go, Bob?

[20:29] <Geneva-VHL> I just read on the internet today that Barak may give more land away before Clinton leaves office.

[20:29] <Rich-VHL> 6Sharon liz thats good

[20:30] <LIZ-VHL> 2hes talking jerusalem Geneva

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> He was instrumental, many years ago, in initiating and seeing to it that settlements progressed in the "West Bank" after 1967, realizing their importants

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> importance

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> I got disconnected :)

[20:30] <Rich-VHL> 6Barb you have purpel too I'll change colors

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Geneva - Barak is nothing less than a traitor to Israel now

[20:30] <Barbara-VHL> 6that's ok, rich...we can share...:-)

[20:30] <LIZ-VHL> 2rich try the new color

[20:31] <Bezalel-VHL> Doesn't Stan feel that Sharon would be better for Israel at this time?

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez

[20:31] <Rich-VHL> 62I'll try navy

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[20:31] <Gloria-VHL> I just dont't think God will stand by and let Isreal be given away I really hate the US has any part in it

[20:31] <LIZ-VHL> 2hey rich try the white it works good

[20:31] <Rich-VHL> 2thats your huh liz

[20:31] <LIZ-VHL> 2:) :) :)

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> Sharon sees the situation clearly, and would not hesitate to take the actions warranted against the Palestinians and Syrians

[20:31] <Rich-VHL> 2OK

[20:32] <LIZ-VHL> 2no ones using red

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gloria - the horrible part, for us Americans, is that these ghastly proposals are from Clinton's mind

[20:32] <Rich-VHL> 20so it is Sharon that was the farmer then Bob

[20:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Or Green

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> he originated them as a "bridging proposal"

[20:32] <Rich-VHL> 0don't like that one

[20:33] <Dex-VHL> 7I think the events of scripture better fit someone of Sharon

[20:33] <LIZ-VHL> 2yeah do you think we are i trouble from this bob

[20:33] <Dex-VHL> 7ideals

[20:33] <red-VHL364> 4hey that's my color

[20:33] <LIZ-VHL> 2hahahahah

[20:33] <red-VHL364> 4just kidding

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Liz, God blesses those nations that bless Israel, and curses those nations that curse Israel

[20:33] <Rich-VHL> 05LOL

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> so yes

[20:33] <LIZ-VHL> 2usa that is bob

[20:33] <LIZ-VHL> 2hmmmmmmm so we are in trouble

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[20:34] <Rich-VHL> 5we're in trouble liz

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Yes, we are, but not only for that, of course

[20:34] <Rich-VHL> 5true Bob

[20:34] <Geneva-VHL> I'm back

[20:34] <red-VHL364> 4ok guys, enlighten me, what does LOL stand for?

[20:34] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Laugh out Loud.

[20:34] <Geneva-VHL> laugh ou

[20:34] <Barbara-VHL> 6laugh on line...laugh out loud

[20:34] <Rich-VHL> 5Laugh out loud

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> when I say "we" I mean the US nation, not "we" believers - we have been called out of the world, and are not a part of it

[20:34] <red-VHL364> 4thank you

[20:35] <Rich-VHL> 5we want the world to end don't we Bob

[20:35] <Bezalel-VHL> 3So we aren't in trouble, but about to witness the greatest time in the history of man.

[20:35] <Rich-VHL> 5Amen bez

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> Rich, we want our Lord to begin His "Day"

[20:35] <Gloria-VHL> I think as a nation our leader is blowing it but as Christians we still belong to God even if we suffer as a nation

[20:35] <Barbara-VHL> 6I'm ready

[20:36] <Dex-VHL> 7I agree with Bob. Living in the U.S. we were brought up on the ideals of God and Country, apple pie, etc. It's painfully evident that this is not the ideals of todays Americans.

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> and finish it with His glorious and wonderful appearing

[20:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Hallelujah! Praise the Lord.

[20:36] <Rich-VHL> 5I mean this world system

[20:36] <LIZ-VHL> 2oh wow what a day

[20:36] <Gloria-VHL> Amen

[20:36] <Barbara-VHL> 6Amen!! Praise the L'rd!!!

[20:37] <red-VHL364> 4I'm ready too, I just wish that some people I know were ready too.

[20:37] <Rich-VHL> 5yes we want the Lords day as soon as He can bring it

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> right - we are called out of the world, no longer a part of its system - we have citizenship in heaven

[20:37] <Barbara-VHL> 6we all have those, red

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> We belong to a new nation, with a wonderful King!

[20:37] <Barbara-VHL> 6Amen and amen!!!

[20:37] <Rich-VHL> 5a Holy nation

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[20:38] <Dex-VHL> 7I look around and even most christians could care less with serving the Lord as much as they care about their raise. Apostasy is the word of today both in the secular and religious culture.

[20:38] <Barbara-VHL> 6King of Kings and L'rd of L'rds:

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> Right, Rich

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> Amen, Barbara

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> That's right, Dex

[20:38] <Geneva-VHL> That is true Dex

[20:38] <Gloria-VHL> Praise God we are a Holy Nation

[20:38] <Rich-VHL> 5the decietfulness of richs Dex

[20:39] <Dex-VHL> 7The 7th church of Revelation was noted for it's apostasy.

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> I hope you guys all realize the gravity of the unprecedented history situation we are in this very day - what is happening in Israel now is a MAJOR event

[20:39] <Rich-VHL> 5i do Bob

[20:39] <Geneva-VHL> The Church of today in American is more inteested in getting more money

[20:39] <Dex-VHL> 7how few realize that

[20:39] <Barbara-VHL> 6I realize, Bob....and thank my G'd for allowing me to be alive at this time!

[20:40] <Rich-VHL> 5oh me too Barb

[20:40] <Gloria-VHL> Me to Barbara

[20:40] <Barbara-VHL> 6He has CHOSEN me to witness this!! What a blessing!

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Ironic, that today, the day when Jews all over the world commemorate the men who fearless stayed true to the Lord and their Jewish faith in the face of fearful odds, Hanukkah, should be the day when it is officially confirmed that Barak is ready to give up Jerusalem

[20:40] <red-VHL364> 4I praise God that he has opened my eyes to the true of the event of our time

[20:40] <Geneva-VHL> We don't get much news about Israel here.

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> He is certainly the anti-Maccabee

[20:41] <Rich-VHL> 5coincidence you think Bob

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Probably not, Rich

[20:41] <red-VHL364> 4what news we get simpathetic to palestine

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Red

[20:42] <Geneva-VHL> How much of jerusalem is he willing to give up I had not heard about that

[20:42] <Barbara-VHL> 6G'd doesn't do coincidences, rich...:-)

[20:42] <Gloria-VHL> Thats true Red

[20:42] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Maybe Barak will believe he can save his PM position through this "plan," but will only cause the ultimate awakening against the entire peace process.

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> Geneva, Arafat's demand has been to go back to the 1967 lines - all along, Israel has said that that demand is not even to be considered, but today, official sources have agreed to it

[20:43] <Rich-VHL> 5I can't wait till the Lord shows the islams His Holy power

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Arafat has been rewarded for his violent actions

[20:43] <Barbara-VHL> 6I just wish I could be THERE when it all happens!

[20:43] <Rich-VHL> 5me too

[20:44] <Geneva-VHL> Everything that is happened today is in God's plan. And what is being done doesn't supprise the Lord at all

[20:44] <Barbara-VHL> 6Want to rent a boat, guys?

[20:44] <Rich-VHL> 5it won't take long to get there Barb after it starts happening

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Right, Geneva - not at all

[20:44] <Barbara-VHL> 6Can't afford air fare

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> in fact, it is His doing, to accomplish His purposes

[20:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 3(NIV Isa 49:6) he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth."

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> which ultimately, is to bring the Jewish people back to Himself, to know HIM

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> very timely, Bez

[20:45] <Barbara-VHL> 6right on, Bez

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> look what the Messiah's primary mission was in that verse

[20:45] <Rich-VHL> 5I don't think we will need much air fare for this trip Gods people will all foot the bill Barb

[20:45] <Bezalel-VHL> 3I know how I'm going to get to Israel, and it is in Isaiah!

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> "to restore the tribes of Jacob" - still a work in progres

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> and that's what all of this is all about

[20:45] <Barbara-VHL> 6:-)

[20:45] <Rich-VHL> 5tell us Bez

[20:45] <Rich-VHL> 5I'd like to hear it

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> we Gentiles, according to that verse, were an afterthought, if you will

[20:46] <Geneva-VHL> I'm ready to go to Israel

[20:46] <Rich-VHL> 5me too

[20:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 3The Lord has called me. I'll be there in spirit from now on. In the natural, God will find a way for me to get there. I trust in him.

[20:46] <Geneva-VHL> I may have to wait until I get the free ticket

[20:46] <Gloria-VHL> I know it may take drastic measures to openthe Jewish eyes

[20:47] <Rich-VHL> 5how would you like to help build the new Temple Geneva

[20:47] <Barbara-VHL> 6amen, Bez....He can do that. He did it for me twice

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Jerusalem staggers, Judah is falling; their words and deeds are against the LORD, defying his glorious presence. (Isaiah 3:8 NIV)

[20:47] <Rich-VHL> 5Amen Bez

[20:47] <Geneva-VHL> I would love to watch that being done

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Barak is "defying His glorious presence" by his treacherous appeasement

[20:48] <Barbara-VHL> 6Bez has got his tool kit ready to take off....:-)

[20:48] <Rich-VHL> 5Bob would you find that verse where it telss of us helping to build the new Temple please

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> May the people of Israel see it and begin to call on the name of the Lord

[20:48] <Barbara-VHL> 6I sleep with my hammer...

[20:48] <Geneva-VHL> Do I need to take my sewing machine

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> sure, Rich :)

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Those who are far away will come and help to build the temple of the LORD, and you will know that the LORD Almighty has sent me to you. This will happen if you diligently obey the LORD your God." (Zechariah 6:15 NIV)

[20:49] <Rich-VHL> 5thanks so much

[20:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Amen!

[20:49] <Rich-VHL> 5that makes my heart sing

[20:49] <Barbara-VHL> 6I'm trying to obey...and waiting to be sent

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> Interesting, isn't it, that the fact that "those far away" who come to help build the Temple are a sign to the Jewish people?

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> And a sign of what?

[20:50] <Rich-VHL> 5Jesus

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> That Jesus, the Messiah, was truly sent by the Father

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> right, Righ

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Rich

[20:51] <Rich-VHL> 5its not too far off now folks

[20:51] <Bezalel-VHL> 3The OT Prophets are magnificent! The Lord is so true to His promises.

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> Yes, indeed :)

[20:51] <Rich-VHL> 5yes they are Bez

[20:51] <Geneva-VHL> The time is closer that we think.

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[20:52] <Rich-VHL> 5I really like Issiah

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> You know, of course, that these actions are stirring up the jealousy of the Lord?

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> This is what the LORD Almighty says: "I am very jealous for Zion; I am burning with jealousy for her." (Zechariah 8:2 NIV)

[20:52] <Rich-VHL> 5yup

[20:52] <lizimback-VHL> hi all

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> This is what the LORD says: "I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the City of Truth, and the mountain of the LORD Almighty will be called the Holy Mountain." (Zechariah 8:3 NIV)

[20:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 3WB LIz

[20:52] <lizimback-VHL> you caught it bez

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Welcome back Lizimback :)

[20:53] <lizimback-VHL> io crashed then reconected then disconnected

[20:53] <Rich-VHL> 5good liz

[20:53] <Barbara-VHL> 6wb, liz

[20:53] <lizimback-VHL> so what did i miss alot????????

[20:53] <red-VHL364> 4hi liz where were you

[20:53] <lizimback-VHL> my puter frozeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[20:53] <lizimback-VHL> guess its tooooo cold

[20:53] <red-VHL364> 4i hate that

[20:53] <Rich-VHL> 5it caught cold huh liz

[20:54] <red-VHL364> 4it can't be as cold as i am right now

[20:54] <lizimback-VHL> yeah hubby maikng me conserve heat

[20:54] <Rich-VHL> 5why is that red

[20:54] <lizimback-VHL> lol

[20:54] <red-VHL364> 4it is suppose to be -40 wind chill tonight

[20:54] <lizimback-VHL> he will never know the thermostat been on 80 all day just joking

[20:54] <Rich-VHL> 5oh I understand

[20:55] <red-VHL364> 4LOL liz

[20:55] <Rich-VHL> 5LOLliz

[20:55] <lizimback-VHL> until the bill comes in and its $400

[20:55] <lizimback-VHL> hahahahahah

[20:55] <Rich-VHL> 5if your warm thats ok liz

[20:55] <red-VHL364> 4I take care of the bills, that's why I'm cold

[20:55] <Barbara-VHL> 6Hey, people...guess what?

[20:56] <lizimback-VHL> bob your quiet

[20:56] <lizimback-VHL> what barb

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> What, Barbara?

[20:56] <red-VHL364> 4what

[20:56] <Rich-VHL> 5what Barb

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Just thinking, Liz

[20:56] <lizimback-VHL> yeah and i have heard theya re gonnaa be BIG

[20:56] <lizimback-VHL> okay bob

[20:56] <Barbara-VHL> 6IJ'm going to a woman's Bat Mitzvah this Wednesday!!!

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> cool!

[20:56] <Barbara-VHL> 6I read about her in the paper. She's 77 years old

[20:56] <Rich-VHL> 5good

[20:56] <lizimback-VHL> bob why does x have your crown

[20:57] <Barbara-VHL> 6Just learned Hebrew in the past 14 months!

[20:57] <red-VHL364> 4cool barbara

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> A seventy seven year old is getting Bat Mitzvah?

[20:57] <lizimback-VHL> that sounds like fun barb

[20:57] <Barbara-VHL> 6I called her and told her I would love to attend, and she very sweetly invited me.

[20:57] <Gloria-VHL> Bob how is Stan and family doing and is he getting paid are you going to put that address up to send money to him.

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Awww that's nice

[20:57] <Barbara-VHL> 6She has three Christian grand kids coming down from Va. for the ceremony

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Gloria, I'm glad you asked. He still has not income

[20:58] <Rich-VHL> 5yes Bob how about

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[20:58] <VCI-Bob> A few people have mailed checks to made out to me, which I consolidated and sent to him, but it's not all that much

[20:58] <lizimback-VHL> well i can send a few $$$$

[20:58] <Ketla-VHL> Hi all! :)

[20:58] <Rich-VHL> 5me too liz

[20:58] <Barbara-VHL> 6Right, folks....Bank account still available for Stan and family

[20:58] <Rich-VHL> 5hey Kelta

[20:58] <Geneva-VHL> I will send so too

[20:59] <Gloria-VHL> Can you put that address up

[20:59] <red-VHL364> 4hi ketla

[20:59] <Ketla-VHL> bank account?

[20:59] <Geneva-VHL> How do we send it

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Barbara has an account set up

[20:59] <lizimback-VHL> just let us know bob

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> Either way works

[20:59] <Rich-VHL> 5I'll e-mail you Barb

[20:59] <lizimback-VHL> barb can you email it to me

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> Email me at Bob_Westbrook@zionmail.com if you'd like to send a check, or you can send it to Barb's account

[20:59] <Dex-VHL> 7how do i get money to stan?

[21:00] <Barbara-VHL> 6West Coast Guaranty Bank

[21:00] <Barbara-VHL> 6 12763 S. Tamiami Trail

[21:00] <Barbara-VHL> 6North Port, Florida 34287

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Poor guy is still faithfully working on VHL, but for no income

[21:00] <Ketla-VHL> Have you been talking about Barak's bonehead offer to the PA>

[21:00] <Ketla-VHL> ?

[21:00] <Barbara-VHL> 6I sent some the other day, but it wasn't very much. Would be wonderful to be able to send more!!

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> I shouldn't say "poor guy' - he and his family are confident and secure in the Lord

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Ketla, we did.....

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> let's hear your viewpoint of it, Ketla

[21:01] <red-VHL364> 4oh yet, are we done talking about Barak? we got sidetracked a little

[21:01] <lizimback-VHL> i cant afford alot cuz i dont work hubby money man and hes not saved but i can get some from him

[21:01] <Ketla-VHL> hehe, sorry. Missed that part. :->

[21:01] <Rich-VHL> 5are they paying the bills Bob

[21:01] <Barbara-VHL> 6name of account is : Friends of VHL

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> Rich, I'm not sure

[21:02] <Rich-VHL> 5I hope so

[21:02] <Ketla-VHL> I think Barak is really dumb for offering the Temple Mount, and thus most of Jerusalem, to the PA. They destroyed Joseph and Rachel's Tombs when given the same thing.

[21:02] <Barbara-VHL> 6G'd will keep them...They are faithful to Him

[21:02] <lizimback-VHL> i feel bad cuz i did not know and we overindulged on xmas and i could of sent him something

[21:03] <red-VHL364> 4I will have to talk to my hubby before I can send Stan $

[21:03] <Geneva-VHL> We just send a check to the bank for Friends of Vhl

[21:03] <Barbara-VHL> 6But it is wonderful to be able to be an assistance in the time of need

[21:03] <Rich-VHL> 5thats our prayer Barb

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> "really dumb" doesn't begin to express it - It's an atrocious betrayal

[21:03] <Barbara-VHL> 6that's right!! Thank you

[21:03] <Geneva-VHL> I feel ban

[21:03] <lizimback-VHL> how old are his kids bob

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[21:03] <Rich-VHL> 5hi Dana

[21:04] <red-VHL364> 4hi Dana

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> His kids are six, four, three, and a few months

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Hello, Dana!

[21:04] <Barbara-VHL> 6shalom dana, Kelta

[21:04] <red-VHL364> 4wow, so young

[21:04] <lizimback-VHL> how much does it cost to send packages stan

[21:04] <Dana-VHL> Hey!!

[21:04] <Barbara-VHL> 6LOTS!! liz

[21:04] <lizimback-VHL> hi dana

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Liz, overseas shipment is pricey

[21:04] <lizimback-VHL> like bunches

[21:04] <lizimback-VHL> oh well hmmmmmmmm

[21:04] <Barbara-VHL> 6yup..bunches

[21:05] <Ketla-VHL> Anybody here think God's going to get fed up enough with Israel to go ahead and fufill the prophecy concerning her neighbors?

[21:05] <Barbara-VHL> 6the amount you pay for shipping would go a long ways for necessities

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Here is the summary from Aretz Sheva It's now official: Israeli concessions to the Palestinians in the Washington talks include permission for an undisclosed amount of Arab refugees to enter Israel; the transfer of 95% of Judea and Samaria; the transfer of Negev lands equivalent to the other 5%; and control of the Temple Mount. Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami confirmed today that Israel had gone further towards the Palestinians than in any previous talks. The Palestinians have so far

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> not accepted these terms.

[21:05] <Rich-VHL> 5I sent a box to my son and his wife in england and it was $25.00

[21:05] <lizimback-VHL> oh okay barb

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Yup, Ketla

[21:05] <red-VHL364> 4I sure hope so Ketla

[21:05] <lizimback-VHL> your kidding me

[21:06] <Barbara-VHL> 6Won't happen!!

[21:06] <lizimback-VHL> i oh wow rich

[21:06] <Dex-VHL> 7let me pick up my teeth and close my mouth

[21:06] <lizimback-VHL> i agree barb it will be amazing to sit back and see How God stops it

[21:06] <Rich-VHL> 5what is the exchange rate there in Israel Barb

[21:07] <Barbara-VHL> 6I can't imagine...but I know He will...:-)

[21:07] <lizimback-VHL> amen sis yes He will

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz

[21:07] <Ketla-VHL> "why do the sons of Molech possess [the land]? Has Israel no sons?" paraphrase

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> We will see astonishing things very soon, I believe

[21:07] <Barbara-VHL> 6about five shekels for four Amer. That right Bob?

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> Four shekels for a dollar

[21:08] <lizimback-VHL> oh yes bob i get so excited and have no one to share with except on web

[21:08] <Barbara-VHL> 6Was a bit more when I was there, but it changes all the time

[21:08] <Rich-VHL> 5Ok was just wondering

[21:08] <lizimback-VHL> it gets lonely at times

[21:08] <Rich-VHL> 5I know liz

[21:09] <lizimback-VHL> rich did you go to that site

[21:09] <Barbara-VHL> 6Right, Bob, I meant five shekels for one Amer.

[21:09] <Geneva-VHL> Jerusalem is not suppose to be divided

[21:09] <Rich-VHL> 5not yet I hurt my back and didn't feel like it will soon

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[21:09] <VCI-Bob> I was thinking about what Jesus said, and also what it says in Revelation: Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21:24 NIV)

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> And...

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. (Revelation 11:2 NIV)

[21:10] <Barbara-VHL> 6I feel that lonliness, too, liz. There just aren't many around with whom I can talk about Isrtael!!

[21:10] <Ketla-VHL> hmmph. They've been trampling it for thousands of years.

[21:10] <Geneva-VHL> I will get some money off this week. Wish I could send more. I am alone and have all the bills to pay

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> Now, of course, the 42 months is future, the last 3 1/2 years before Jesus arrives

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> yes, they have been, Ketla

[21:11] <Rich-VHL> 5I'll do the same Geneva

[21:11] <Barbara-VHL> 6G'd will multiply it , Geneva...Thank you

[21:11] <Ketla-VHL> I think there's supposed to be a lull somewhere in between now and the end times where Israel has a Temple.

[21:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Will that be the time after AC declares himself God?

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Ketla

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> Right, Bez

[21:11] <lizimback-VHL> i know the feeling barb

[21:12] <Rich-VHL> 5wish I could stay longer freinds but have to go Love you all in Jesus

[21:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 3So the Gentiles referred to there will be the ACs minions, and not the Church there to help..

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> in conjunction with that, Bez, the two witnesses will be in Jerusalem, denouncing the "son of perdition"

[21:12] <lizimback-VHL> same here i will have to twist hubbys arm but it will work

[21:12] <Ketla-VHL> bye rich

[21:12] <Geneva-VHL> I feel that way too Not many people know anything a bout Israel and the end time. They are so bound up in their little world of getting a much of this world as they can

[21:12] <Dex-VHL> 7God bless you Rich

[21:12] <lizimback-VHL> bye rich

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Love ya, Rich :) Shalom

[21:12] <Barbara-VHL> 6Night, Rich....I'll be heading out too....

[21:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Night rich

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[21:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Night Barbara

[21:12] <Barbara-VHL> 6Thank you in advance for any help to Stan....

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Night, Barbara :) Always a pleasure to have you join us :)

[21:13] <Barbara-VHL> 6Either to Bob or account...

[21:13] <lizimback-VHL> anyone here have ICQ

[21:13] <lizimback-VHL> or firetalk

[21:13] <Ketla-VHL> nope.

[21:13] <Geneva-VHL> night Barb

[21:13] <Dex-VHL> 7no

[21:13] <Bezalel-VHL> 3I have ICQ but don't use it.

[21:13] <lizimback-VHL> hey bez you want my number

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[21:13] <lizimback-VHL> why dont you use it

[21:13] <Geneva-VHL> What is ICQ

[21:14] <lizimback-VHL> instant messenger we can chat during week when theres no chat here

[21:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 3I'm on cable modem, always connected, and ICQ could be an open portal into my network.

[21:14] <lizimback-VHL> you just download it

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[21:15] <Geneva-VHL> I'm on IM I would love to chat some during the week

[21:15] <lizimback-VHL> hey geneva what do you have??

[21:15] <Geneva-VHL> Ihave netscape IM

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> Geneva, remember, there is always a chat room open in VHL also :)

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> though often no one in it :)

[21:15] <lizimback-VHL> oh hmmm i have msn,icq and firetalk

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[21:16] <lizimback-VHL> oh its always open bob

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[21:16] <Ketla-VHL> so I've seen, bob. lol

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[21:16] <VCI-Bob> Red's back, and back :)

[21:16] <Geneva-VHL> How do you get on msn, icq

[21:16] <red-VHL> I kicked myself off, oops

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> oops :)

[21:16] <lizimback-VHL> go to icq.com

[21:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Red, you just made me spit coffee on my screen. :-)

[21:17] <red-VHL> I have instant chat with msn and yahoo messanger

[21:17] <lizimback-VHL> do you have a microphone

[21:17] <Geneva-VHL> I have a microphone

[21:17] <red-VHL> well bez anytime you need a laugh just let me know

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> I'd like to share a Scripture from Jeremiah, for your consideration

[21:17] <Geneva-VHL> I am also on dialpad and free phone

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Have you rejected Judah completely? Do you despise Zion? Why have you afflicted us so that we cannot be healed? We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there is only terror. (Jeremiah 14:19 NIV)

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> O LORD, we acknowledge our wickedness and the guilt of our fathers; we have indeed sinned against you. (Jeremiah 14:20 NIV)

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> For the sake of your name do not despise us; do not dishonor your glorious throne. Remember your covenant with us and do not break it. (Jeremiah 14:21 NIV)

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Do any of the worthless idols of the nations bring rain? Do the skies themselves send down showers? No, it is you, O LORD our God. Therefore our hope is in you, for you are the one who does all this. (Jeremiah 14:22 NIV)

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> This is, I believe, a prayer for the Jewish people of today

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> May they soon begin to pray it

[21:19] <Ketla-VHL> *sigh* is anyone in Israel actually praying that way, though.

[21:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 3And, Israel is not far from using this prayer.

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> not many, Ketla, but that's what all these events are about

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> so that they will start

[21:20] <Ketla-VHL> ah, i c bob

[21:20] <lizimback-VHL> Thanks Bob

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> and we should pray to that end - that God would use these events to bring His people Israel back to Himself

[21:21] <Gloria-VHL> I must go I thank God for finding VHL and the fellowship God bless all and Good Night

[21:22] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Night Gloria.

[21:22] <Geneva-VHL> Good night Gloria

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[21:22] <lizimback-VHL> Yes Bob i sat in amazement today Over at TMF they have an awesome video and i just cried and was speechless once again recalling the Miracle that Israel is

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> Night, Gloria! Shalom!

[21:22] <Dex-VHL> 7Please come back again Gloria. God bless you.

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> what's TMF?

[21:23] <lizimback-VHL> The temple Mount Faithful silly

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> ahhh :)

[21:23] <lizimback-VHL> Gershon Salomon

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Why don't we pray a bit?

[21:23] <Geneva-VHL> He has been waiting so long to start the temple. He will soon be able to begin

[21:24] <Dex-VHL> 7good idea

[21:24] <red-VHL> ok Bob

[21:24] <lizimback-VHL> great

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Lord God, you made the universe by speaking the word

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> and hold all things together by the power of your command

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> We honor you, and worship though, though by ourselves we are very unworthy of that

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> Thank you for redeeming us through the blood of Messiah Jesus

[21:26] <Geneva-VHL> God in the name of Jesus bless Israel. We know they are the apple of your eye. and your disire is to bless them and cover them with your feathers

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> We call out to you, Lord, as we see these disturbing and perplexing events

[21:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 3We praise Your faithfulness to Your promises

[21:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 3And maintain complete faith in Your solutions.

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lord, you are certain to fulfill what you have said

[21:27] <lizimback-VHL> Yes Lord

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> May you bring glory and honor to your great Name

[21:27] <Geneva-VHL> We are so thankful that we are alive at this time to see your plan coming to pass

[21:28] <Geneva-VHL> We praise you and worship you as we see your hand at work in these last days

[21:28] <lizimback-VHL> Yes Thank you Lord for choosing us to witnes your endtime plans

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> LORD, We have heard of your fame; we stand in awe of your deeds, O LORD. Renew them in our day, in our time make them known; in wrath remember mercy.

[21:30] <Geneva-VHL> Lord never let us become lazy and forget to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. This is you Holy City and the place where you have placed your name.

[21:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 3We pray You will provide the strength for Your Church to shine as a beacon to gather the faithful in defense of your chosen land and people.

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> Oh Lord, open the eyes of Israel to the Messiah Jesus. May they soon come to know the Father and the Son.

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lord, strengthen each of us, and keep us safe from the attack of the evil one.

[21:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Your Word is our Sword and Shield. Place it in our hearts.

[21:33] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Anoint us with Your Holy Spirit.

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[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lord, raise up a "task force" of men and women who wish to know your Word.

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Delta - it's prayer time :)

[21:33] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[21:34] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Forgive our sins, grant us Your Grace.

[21:34] <Geneva-VHL> We Love you and worship you in this time and praise you that you have you have given us the priviage of being alive in this time. And giving us people who love you and giving us this great network where we can come together and learn more about what is going on in your land and in your Holy City. We pray for Stan and his family, keep them safe and provide all their needs

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> Lord, your works are great, and pondered by all who delight in them - we know you are still working today.

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lord

[21:34] <Geneva-VHL> Thank you Lord

[21:35] <lizimback-VHL> Thank You Lord for revealing your salvation to us all.Thank you for you mercy and grace that you shower on us daily

[21:35] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Praise You, Praise Your Word.

[21:35] <lizimback-VHL> We praise you for your faithfulness Lord

[21:36] <Delta-VHL> Father, we thank You for Your Grace

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Thank you that you choose us - weak, faulty people that we are - thank you that you have placed white robes on us

[21:36] <Delta-VHL> we thank You for Your Word,

[21:36] <Geneva-VHL> Lord you are so good to us. I want to know more about your word

[21:36] <lizimback-VHL> Hallelujah

[21:36] <Delta-VHL> Yes, thank You Father for making us Righteous in Yeshua

[21:37] <Delta-VHL> We ask, Father, Your path be made clear to us, and to those in Yisrael

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[21:37] <VCI-Bob> Lord Jesus, the older we get, the more we see that you alone are the only one who is good, and deserving of honor

[21:37] <lizimback-VHL> Give us wisdom and a deeper burden for our unsaved loved ones

[21:38] <Geneva-VHL> I have to go now.

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Good night, Geneva - the Lord bless you :)

[21:38] <Geneva-VHL> See you all later Will you be on Mon night

[21:38] <Delta-VHL> :-) ((((Geneva))))

[21:38] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Night Geneva, God Bless You.

[21:38] <Dex-VHL> 7God bless Geneva

[21:38] <lizimback-VHL> night geneva

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Geneva, I'm not sure if there will be a Monday chat this week -- stay tuned to VHL

[21:38] <red-VHL> good night Geneva

[21:39] <lizimback-VHL> sstan said no unless something real big was happening :)

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[21:39] <lizimback-VHL> and it is happening

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz

[21:40] <red-VHL> I have to go too guys . God's blessing to all of you. Amen to that Prayer

[21:40] <Delta-VHL> Shalom ((((((((((red)))))))))))

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Night, Red - see you next time! Thanks for coming! :)

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[21:40] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Night, Red....

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[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Dex, you've been rather quiet :)

[21:41] <Delta-VHL> Bob, I pray for G-d to confuse His enemies.

[21:41] <Delta-VHL> Shalom, Dex. :-)

[21:41] <Dex-VHL> 7I learn more by listening that anything else.

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> ahhhh :)

[21:42] <Dex-VHL> 7God bless Delta

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Delta, I'm really disturbed by what Barak is doing - it's unthinkable

[21:42] <Delta-VHL> God bless us, everyone.

[21:42] <Delta-VHL> I dont think Arafat will take the deal, Bob

[21:42] <Delta-VHL> I think he wants war too badly to do it. I could be wrong.

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> no? It's almost everything he has demanded

[21:43] <Dex-VHL> 7I think he will Delta.

[21:43] <Delta-VHL> It was almost everything he demanded before too

[21:43] <Delta-VHL> Well, there is a caveat to this, in that this is to be "phased" in over 5 years time

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> If he is able to establish his state with those boundaries, he would be, in his mind, in a better position to wage war later on

[21:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 3It won't drive the Jews into the sea.

[21:44] <Dex-VHL> 7This will make him the most respectable muslim on the face of the earth and spokesman of the arab world.

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> True, Dex

[21:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 3

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> though many elements in the Muslim world have urged him to not concede the slightest point

[21:44] <Delta-VHL> There is such a buildup of arms and troops all over, I really think there is a bloodlust

[21:45] <Dex-VHL> 7His power has came from his mouth, not oil, military might, etc.

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> A reasonable man would snatch up the deal Barak is offering, but may the Lord harden his heart, as you indicated, Delta, to reject it

[21:45] <Bezalel-VHL> 3The Lord has always done that, hasn't He Bob?

[21:45] <Delta-VHL> I would be surprised if they aren't not scrambling now

[21:46] <Delta-VHL> oops, erase that "not"..:-)

[21:46] <Delta-VHL> Dex, I think Arafat's power comes from fear of the arabs, to be honest

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez - the Lord deals with all rulers as He pleases, to bring about His purposes

[21:46] <Dex-VHL> 7how so?

[21:47] <Delta-VHL> They have indicated fear of terrorist attacks in the US if things don't go the way of Arafat

[21:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Yes. That's what makes the US and Israel "elections" so interesting. The Lord is really setting things in motion.

[21:47] <Delta-VHL> Oh, Sharon would win, hands down....

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> We have probably examined this before in the chats, but here is one prophecy that may be directly addressing the Palestinians:

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: 'Because the Philistines acted in vengeance and took revenge with malice in their hearts, and with ancient hostility sought to destroy Judah, (Ezekiel 25:15 NIV)

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am about to stretch out my hand against the Philistines, and I will cut off the Kerethites and destroy those remaining along the coast. (Ezekiel 25:16 NIV)

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> I will carry out great vengeance on them and punish them in my wrath. Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I take vengeance on them.'" (Ezekiel 25:17 NIV)

[21:48] <Delta-VHL> more? :-)

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> that's it

[21:48] <Delta-VHL> yeah!

[21:48] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[21:48] <Delta-VHL> Thank you Bob! I needed that!

[21:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Sharon may be His vengeance.

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Certainly fits the situation

[21:49] <Delta-VHL> I am grieved by Christians who are rejoicing over this, saying it means Yeshua returns soon

[21:49] <Delta-VHL> We are to not rejoice in evil...something I think we haven't learned as well as we should

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Why, Delta? Isn't that the ultimate end of all this?

[21:50] <Delta-VHL> I know I was like that.

[21:50] <Dex-VHL> 7I respectfully disagree. I think U.S. involvement in this peace process is primarily Clintons way of attempting to be remembered for something other than disgracing the presidency moreso than anyone other president in history

[21:50] <Delta-VHL> yes, Dex, agreed on that

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Yes, that's Clinton's personal goal

[21:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 3I rejoice that I will be here to witness the fulfillment of prophecy. To see God's plan come to fruition.

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> but... there are greater forces behind it than just him

[21:51] <Delta-VHL> Bob....the ultimate end of all this is the annihilation of G-d enemies, and the joining to Father G-d His people,

[21:51] <Dex-VHL> 7If Clinton really understood the Bible he would run from this agreement.

[21:51] <Delta-VHL> Amen to that, Dex

[21:52] <Delta-VHL> Yeshua returning puts the end in final motion

[21:52] <Delta-VHL> BUT.....there are people suffering and who will suffer....and somehow, I don't think we should forget that. That's just my opinion

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Well, Delta, as Christians, we are placing our expectation fully in the Lord's soon return

[21:52] <Delta-VHL> Yes, Bob

[21:53] <Delta-VHL> Still, some Jewish people here don't see us Christians as being considerate of their situation

[21:53] <Delta-VHL> and this is such an awesome opportunity to love and witness to them

[21:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 3I'm not rejoicing in the persecution we will see, both for Israel and the Church. But, that is prophesied as well as Jesus' return.

[21:54] <Delta-VHL> I do not know if I am putting to words adequately what is in my heart,

[21:54] <Delta-VHL> Bez, you touched on it just now

[21:55] <Dex-VHL> 7Goodnight and God bless. Will be back as soon as yall are. I enjoyed tonight and learned much as always. May God bless each of you over the hollidays and I will keep praying for Stan and his family.

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> I know I ask myself if I am able to be a Corrie Ten Boom

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 3The best I can do is remain faithful to God's promises. To stand with Israel.

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Dex...thank you! :-)

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Night Dex.

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[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Night Dex!

[21:56] <Delta-VHL> Bob, did anyone touch on the ramifications spiritually, for the US if this deal goes through? I am so sorry I missed so much.

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. (Luke 21:31 NIV)

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 3The leaves are opening, summer approaches.

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> That's the ultimate end here - the manifestation of the Kingdom, Jesus ruling :)

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> We did a little bit, Delta

[21:57] <Delta-VHL> yes, Jesus ruling. We just have to go through the trials to get to that.

[21:58] <Delta-VHL> good...I'll be eager to read the log, Bob. :-)

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Yes, Delta. We need to be termpered as iron.

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 3It could be worse, Delta. We could be facing 40 years of wandering in the desert. :-)

[21:59] <Delta-VHL> Well, I am praying that G-d have mercy on the US if this goes through...for I wonder if we are not harming Israel by our involvement.

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> I guess we have to get serious about being tempered, huh

[21:59] <Delta-VHL> Who knows, Bez? It could be 40 years? :-) God has a timetable that is different than mine! :-)

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> I don't even pray for mercy for the US anymore

[21:59] <Delta-VHL> yes, Bob, agreed.

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[21:59] <Delta-VHL> Oh, I pray for mercy

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> I read this just today:

[22:00] <Delta-VHL> We are going to need it....

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> "So do not pray for this people nor offer any plea or petition for them; do not plead with me, for I will not listen to you. (Jeremiah 7:16 NIV)

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> There is a time when God says - "stop praying, I'm not listening"

[22:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Ouch!

[22:00] <Delta-VHL> Bob, there were some circumstances leading up to that, right?

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> I'm not saying that this is the time - that would be presumptuous of me

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> but it happens

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> sure, of course, Delta

[22:01] <Delta-VHL> And we have a new covenant under Yeshua that says He is with us always, which makes me hopeful He will hear our prayers

[22:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Hi Jerry.

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> the United States has NO covenant with Yeshua, Delta

[22:01] <Delta-VHL> I am agreeing with you, Bob, 99%...ok? :-)

[22:01] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom to all, I know I am very late. Fell asleep. So Tired. Just wanted to say Hi

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:01] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Jerry

[22:02] <Jerry-VHL> It appears my pc is tired too

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Hi Jerry :)

[22:02] <Delta-VHL> The United States doesn't, Bob...but I do! :-)

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> yup :)

[22:02] <Jerry-VHL> Thank you Delta for lovely card. I was so surprised.

[22:02] <Delta-VHL> You are so welcome Jerry!

[22:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Bob, do you think the Church (mostly in US) can still serve as a light to shine in the world?

[22:03] <Jerry-VHL> Thank you for keeping posted via emails with those updates as troubling as they are

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> And Jeremiah was a great man of God - but the Lord told him several times "Stop praying for these people" - once again, I'm not saying we should do that, but my point is that God has a time when He says "that's it"

[22:03] <Delta-VHL> :-) Helps us know how to pray, Jerry

[22:03] <Delta-VHL> Yes, Bob....that is what I am afraid of!

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Sure, Bez, the church is the only light

[22:04] <Delta-VHL> Not individually....but as a country, are we asking to be under a curse with our involvement in this? Well, "curse" may be strong...but, I think you know what I mean?

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Yes, we certainly are, Delta

[22:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 3IMHO, the spirtual events will become more apparent, the closer we get to the return.

[22:05] <Delta-VHL> Agreed, Bez. They go hand in hand I think.

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> A curse for not recognizing Jerusalem by moving the embassy there, a curse for betraying Israel with this horrible "peace proposal"

[22:05] <Delta-VHL> You know, people ask me about what fun did I have while in Israel

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez

[22:05] <Delta-VHL> and I have to say, "It was warfare".

[22:06] <Jerry-VHL> I think things are pretty clear to those who understand. But the church is general doesn't seem moved by it all, and it truly makes me wonder what is it going to take for the church to wake up.

[22:06] <Delta-VHL> Oh, keep going Bob...that's exactly what is on my heart!

[22:06] <Delta-VHL> Oh, good point Jerry!

[22:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 3My brothers-in-law keep working on me to look to the spiritual. And, I'm understanding better their tendency to look past those events happening in the natural.

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> Umm, Jerry, here's what it will take - armed men at our doors at 3 AM to haul people to prison for their faith

[22:07] <Jerry-VHL> Curse on all who turn against Israel. As is written

[22:07] <Delta-VHL> sigh....this is all a part of what grieves me. Because these are things I really think we will face before Yeshua returns.

[22:07] <Delta-VHL> I hope I am wrong.

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> Yes, we will, Delta - Jesus pointedly and specifically explained that

[22:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Wasn't it Matthew who wrote of the great falling away?

[22:08] <Jerry-VHL> Bush is the example of a Christian so all are stating, let's see where he stands with Israel.

[22:09] <Delta-VHL> Bob, I tried to share that with other Christians, and they said that already happened. We seem to make God fit our religion instead of our relationship being with God

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> Matthew, and quite a few other places also, Bez

[22:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 3I think God isn't finished with Bush, Jerry. We may begin to see some miracles from Bush's relationship with the Lord.

[22:10] <Delta-VHL> Bob, can you share those? Please? :-)

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> brb - gotta help my wife unload the car

[22:10] <Delta-VHL> Ohhh, ok! :-)

[22:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 3:-)

[22:10] <Delta-VHL> I don't know about you guys, but when Bob puts those scriptures up, it helps me focus.

[22:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 3I know what you're talking about Delta.

[22:14] <Delta-VHL> I really pray my faith is strong enough not to fall away

[22:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 3We just need to trust in the Lord.

[22:16] <Jerry-VHL> Well, guys, I am exhausted. Got to back to bed Laita Tov

[22:16] <Delta-VHL> I guess this is why I was saying I am concerned with some Christians not recognizing we aren't through here yet. They just want to get us raptured out of here.

[22:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 3As the recent events have played out, showing a close end-time, my faith grows.

[22:17] <Delta-VHL> Shalom rav, Jerry! :-)

[22:17] <Delta-VHL> Happy Channukah!

[22:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Night Jerry.

[22:17] <Jerry-VHL> What does rav mean Delta?

[22:18] <Delta-VHL> Shalom by itself means many things, Jerry. adding rav singles it down to "peace"

[22:18] <Jerry-VHL> Oh, I love learning new words in Hebrew when I get the chance. I want to be able to speak to Y'shua in his own tongue.

[22:18] <Delta-VHL> Look up "Shalom" sometime....it's a powerful word! :-)

[22:19] <Delta-VHL> Bez, I think I am still so close to the situation from being in Israel.

[22:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Saw a piece on PBS that Jesus was fluent in Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek.

[22:19] <Delta-VHL> But I feel grief and anger at the enemy over this stuff

[22:20] <Jerry-VHL> I was so happy when I stumbled on the scripture where is said, They shall again speak this language in their own streets. Not sure of refernce. But when I think that Hebrew was a dead language for centuries and God brought it back just as prophesied, wow what a faith builder.

[22:20] <Bezalel-VHL> 3But, the prophesies will be fulfilled. It will happen as God has promised.

[22:20] <Delta-VHL> awesome Jerry!

[22:20] <Delta-VHL> Methinks I think too much! :-)

[22:21] <Delta-VHL> You know, the Jewish people have been through so much, but, for Yeshua to return, there has to be an Israel to return to, right?

[22:21] <Delta-VHL> And He returns to the Mt. of Olives....

[22:21] <Jerry-VHL> With that again Laila Tov

[22:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 3I'm saddened that not all of my family and friends will come to Jesus. But, I'll keep trying to bring them along.

[22:21] <Delta-VHL> so..... (am I making ANY sense yet?)

[22:21] <Delta-VHL> (((Jerry))) night!

[22:22] <Jerry-VHL> Yes, Delta Amem, for this purpose. To recieve thier King

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[22:22] <Delta-VHL> yes. So if Israel does not have the Mt. of Olives....Yeshua can't return to them if it's not a part of Israel. Well, He can do whatever He wants, but...

[22:23] <Delta-VHL> I just am not doing well tonight putting it into words. sigh.

[22:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 3That's why we're here, isn't it?

[22:23] <Delta-VHL> yeah, but usually I don't find myself sticking my foot in my mouth nearly as much as I am tonight, Bez! :-)

[22:25] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Anyone with your great faith cannot stick their foot in their mouth. Just sometimes, it is hard to express so others can understand.

[22:25] <Delta-VHL> My great faith? OH dear.

[22:26] <Delta-VHL> Well, it does others no good if I cannot express it well. So, G-d? Help!

[22:26] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[22:26] <Delta-VHL> Hmmm, wonder if Bob's wife got us all presents for Channukah/Christmas?

[22:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Maybe she had a trailer behind the car.

[22:27] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[22:27] <Delta-VHL> Rofl

[22:27] <Delta-VHL> Oh, I hope Bob didn't find his gifts early!

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> OK - I

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> I am back

[22:28] <Delta-VHL> Uh oh, we got caught! LOL

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> she had a carful of groceries and stuff :)

[22:28] <Delta-VHL> You didn't try to find your gifts, did ya?

[22:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Must be nice to have a wife that shops for groceries. :-)

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Nope - but I did ask for egg nog :)

[22:29] <Delta-VHL> s(_) can I have some in my cup, Bob?

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 3I looked for egg nog at the commisary the other day. Didn't find any.

[22:29] <Delta-VHL> I pray we are rejoicing soon that Israel will stay Israel.

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Oh, you needn't worry about that, Delta

[22:30] <Delta-VHL> Around here, they have "holiday nog" cause no eggs allowed

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> No eggs?

[22:30] <Delta-VHL> Nope, salmonella scare. Unless you make it from scratch.

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Oh dear

[22:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Don't worry about Barak's offer, Delta. If the Knesset doesn't stop it, the people will. And, if the people don't stop it, God will.

[22:31] <Delta-VHL> I think G-d will stop it regardless!

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> That's a good quote, Bez, I like that

[22:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Thanks!

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:31] <Delta-VHL> I know one of the people we met with in Samaria talked of the readiness of the people to defend themselves

[22:31] <Delta-VHL> Hey, Bez....you are pretty profound!

[22:31] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> I bet Stan uses it on the front page as the chat transcript link :)

[22:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 3Don't I wish.

[22:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 3:-)

[22:32] <Delta-VHL> ROFLMHO! Bob, is that a "hint" to Stan? hee hee!

[22:32] <Delta-VHL> It would be a really great lead in!

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> Yepper - hear that, Stan ole boy? (This will show us if he really reads all the way down to the end)

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> HAHA

[22:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 3He did use the tanks in the streets of Florida....:-)

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> uh huh :)

[22:33] <Delta-VHL> see?

[22:33] <Delta-VHL> What if he reads the end first?

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> All rightee, folks, I better run now :)

[22:33] <Delta-VHL> Me too, Bob. Hey, thanks for the chat!

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> Thank you!

[22:33] <Delta-VHL> Shalom, shalom to all!

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Delta, and Bez!

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[22:34] <Bezalel-VHL> 3I'll wish you both a Merry Christmas. My God's blessing fall on all of us.

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> Amen

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> It has :)

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