[19:59] <VCI-Bob> Hi Bez! Back for more, I see! :)

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> You should win the "frequent chatter" award :)

[19:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Always hungry for insight, knowledge, and faith....

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> Great!

[19:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Can I win a trip to Israel?

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> That would be great, huh! Maybe Stan can arrange a contest :)

[20:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Any tanks in the streets down in Florida?

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Actually, things are still in a mess regarding VHL

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> nope, just warm sunshine here

[20:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Oh no. I thought it had settled down for VHL....at least for 6 months.

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> The VHL sale is not settled yet, and Stan's permission to stay in Israel is very unsettled

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> as well as his lack of income

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[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Liz! :)

[20:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Gulp....where would he have to go?

[20:01] <liz-VHL> yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> She's in! :)

[20:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Liz.

[20:02] <liz-VHL> i have been looking forward to chat all day

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Well, Bez, we are believing that all will work out for Stan to stay there

[20:02] <liz-VHL> alot stuff to chat about huh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Great, Liz!

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Sure is! Where would you like to start?

[20:02] <liz-VHL> hey with Bush

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Yes? Give us your expert analysis of the meaning of this :)

[20:03] <liz-VHL> every one i talked with really believed gore would be pres....cuz of W christianity

[20:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I was impressed with his ready reference to prayer and God. Then the first thing today, he went to prayer service.

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez, if he is for real, it's a refreshing change

[20:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Maybe there is hope for him, yet.

[20:04] <liz-VHL> i was just reading some comments on one of gores quotes that was very strange

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> Oh?

[20:04] <liz-VHL> yeah about One of Gods unforeseen paths?????

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> My wife noticed that Gore was grinding his teeth at the end of his speech

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[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Barbara?

[20:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2It was either that, or bite his tongue, Bob.

[20:05] <Barbara-VHL> Shalom..

[20:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Good evening, Barbara

[20:05] <liz-VHL> i have overactive imagination lately so you all can laugh at me

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Gore sees himself as having faith, Liz - like many who are religious

[20:05] <Barbara-VHL> 6"evening, Bez...liz

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Ooops - didn't mean the question mark at the end of that welcome

[20:06] <liz-VHL> but dont you all see something very prophetic about this election

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> it should be Welcome!! Barbara!!

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:06] <liz-VHL> hi barb

[20:06] <Barbara-VHL> 6that's ok?

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:06] <liz-VHL> cant put my finger on it

[20:06] <Barbara-VHL> 6Phew!! It's over!

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Me either, Liz

[20:07] <Barbara-VHL> 6Nonw, we wait upon Israel's politics

[20:07] <liz-VHL> so do you agree bob

[20:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I was wondering last night, while watching Bush, whether this was a refining period for him. That God was preparing him, through trial, for upcoming events.

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Well, if Bush really does let his faith take an active role, it's going to enrage a lot of people

[20:07] <Barbara-VHL> 6that would be great, Bez...hope so

[20:07] <Barbara-VHL> 6hope so!!

[20:07] <liz-VHL> i have 50 million thoughts but cant pin point it

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> but my opinion is that he won't let his faith interfere with is politics - we will see

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2He will probably be a one-term President anyway. Why not go for a strong pull on the American conscience?

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Could be, Bez - if he really is a man of God

[20:08] <liz-VHL> there has to be a gigantic reason why God allowed him to be elected

[20:08] <Barbara-VHL> 623you don't think he can do a good enough job to be re-elected, Bez?

[20:09] <liz-VHL> this country was spiralling down so bad and suddenly we have a god fearing man

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> But... the effect would be, in my opinion, not a revival, but a backlash against Christians - which might be God's doing anyway - to draw the line

[20:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Not with the entire Democratic party laying in the weeds for a surprise attack.

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> that's how I see what has been happening in the country in the last dozen years or so

[20:09] <liz-VHL> thats what i am thinking too bob

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> I really think the US has crossed a line - that we have been "given over" by God as described in Romans 1

[20:10] <liz-VHL> does he still want to move embassy to Jeruslaem

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I believe the Church will face a tribulation period in USA....

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[20:10] <Barbara-VHL> 3hi NewHarv

[20:10] <liz-VHL> Hi newharv

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Newharv! Great to have you join us again!

[20:10] <Barbara-VHL> 3I think you are right ...about "crossing over", Bob!

[20:11] <liz-VHL> hey barb i am doing alot better

[20:11] <NewHarv-VHL> Hello all, nice to be back!

[20:11] <Barbara-VHL> 3I'm SO glad, liz. G'd bless you

[20:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Newharv!

[20:11] <liz-VHL> been exercising and that has helped

[20:11] <Barbara-VHL> 3that's always good!! :-)

[20:12] <liz-VHL> so bob do you think america is babylon

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Newharv, we were all just assessing the election results....

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> and the state of the US

[20:12] <Barbara-VHL> 3Sodom and Gomorrah have nothing on us!

[20:12] <NewHarv-VHL> The whole thing was quite a revealing lesson about the condition of our country, no?

[20:12] <liz-VHL> yeah it was

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Not exactly, Liz - if we understand Babylon in general to be the political, religious, and economic systems that oppose the Lord, then certainly the US is a part of it

[20:13] <liz-VHL> listening to these liberals panicing cuz of the abortion issue has sickened me

[20:13] <liz-VHL> i pray bush holds his stand on abortion

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> Looking at the broader understanding of it - the world systems are in rebellion against the Lord, and that is Babylon - but we have been called out of it

[20:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Do you think the Church will serve as a beacon for salvation in the latter days, Bob?

[20:14] <Barbara-VHL> 3Bob, would you please elaborate on that statement?

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[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz - I was involved in Operation Rescue about 10 years ago, and at that time I felt that it was America's "last chance" before crossing over the line that we described -but abortion continues unabated, along with many other evils

[20:15] <NewHarv-VHL> When I look at the political realm, Jer. 17:5-8 comes to mind

[20:15] <Barbara-VHL> 3about systems in rebellion..being Babylon

[20:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Or should I say, "can" the Church serve as a beacon.

[20:15] <liz-VHL> i feel that is the worst one

[20:15] <liz-VHL> sin is sin but abortion is so evil

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Well, looking at the history of Babylon as starting at Babel - man thinking that he can achieve greatness and glory apart from God

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> and the world has continued that course, which will culiminate in the great rebellion of the "man of sin"

[20:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That is America's biggest downfall.

[20:16] <Barbara-VHL> 3I see....thanks

[20:16] <jael-VHL> hhhmmmmm, sounds very interesting

[20:16] <Barbara-VHL> 3then, did you see the post somewhere about the US putting up the space station...and comparing it to Babylon?

[20:17] <jael-VHL> 6hi room!!

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Jael!

[20:17] <Barbara-VHL> 3hi jael

[20:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Jael!

[20:17] <liz-VHL> hi jael

[20:17] <NewHarv-VHL> Hi Jael

[20:17] <jael-VHL> 6howdy bob!!

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> No, I didn't see that - interesting

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Howdy! :)

[20:17] <jael-VHL> 6and all

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[20:17] <VCI-Bob> oooo poor Jael

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[20:18] <VCI-Bob> she just gets her "howdy" in and she plunges

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> hey, she's back :)

[20:18] <Barbara-VHL> 3brb...going to try and find it. Very interesting.

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[20:18] <liz-VHL> can i testify for a moment yall

[20:18] <jael-VHL> 6i'm feeling bouncy tonight!!:->

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Go for it, Liz

[20:18] <NewHarv-VHL> And what about the political climate in Israel! Sort of took my mind off of our circus

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Joyful! Shalom!

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[20:19] <joyful-VHL> Thank you, Hello everone!!

[20:19] <liz-VHL> okay we were talking about abortion

[20:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Joyful.

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Newharv, they have their own brand of political circus over there, huh!

[20:19] <jael-VHL> 6hello, joy

[20:19] <joyful-VHL> Hello Jael!

[20:19] <jael-VHL> 6kind of a parralel

[20:19] <jael-VHL> 6u.s. & israel

[20:19] <NewHarv-VHL> A whole lot of shufflin' going on - very, very interesting

[20:20] <jael-VHL> 6more like shaking!!!

[20:20] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Barak and Gore, another parallel.

[20:20] <liz-VHL> and i have to tell yall that i have done it in my past when i was saved and lived through hell....well about a year ago i broke and fell before the Lord in sincere repentance and poured my heart out and he healed me beyond what i could even exp[ress

[20:20] <NewHarv-VHL> Amen, jael!

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Their political system seems confusing to us USers, though it probably is confusing to many of the Israelis also

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> How wonderful, Liz!

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> The Lord's mercy is astounding!

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[20:20] <liz-VHL> so i know the horror of it yet i also know the Lords awesome forgiveness and healing

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Red! Glad you came back for more! :)

[20:21] <red-VHL> hi everyone

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz! He is good!

[20:21] <red-VHL> i am addicted

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[20:21] <jael-VHL> 6crushing is an amazing thing from Yahweh's hand

[20:21] <liz-VHL> yes he is He never ceases to amze me

[20:21] <liz-VHL> hi red

[20:21] <red-VHL> hi liz

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Well, Red, we hope to feed your addiction, in a good way. Only good stuff here :)

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[20:22] <Barbara-VHL> 3I found it Bob...May I post it?

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Dex!

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Sure, Barbara!

[20:22] <liz-VHL> sorry if that offended anyone but He healed me so much i had to share that

[20:22] <Barbara-VHL> 3Guess I lost it

[20:22] <Dex-VHL> Shalom

[20:22] <red-VHL> all this tallk of feeding is making me hungry. what did i miss

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Not at all Liz - that's what we will be doing for eternity, ya know, marvelling at His grace for us former ungodly people

[20:23] <Barbara-VHL> 3is there anything I need to know about bringing something into the room

[20:23] <jael-VHL> 6no offense here, liz

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Ctrl C to copy, Ctrl V to paste

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> should work

[20:23] <jael-VHL> 6i was true slime before Jesus rescued me

[20:23] <Barbara-VHL> 3I'll try again..:-)

[20:23] <jael-VHL> 6so i love to here testimonies of His grace

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[20:24] <VCI-Bob> That's what Jesus excels at, Jael! Taking "true slime" and making it a precious jewel!

[20:24] <jael-VHL> 6exactly...i have a poem about it

[20:24] <liz-VHL> yeah he does Bob yehawwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:24] <liz-VHL> hes so wonderful

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[20:24] <jael-VHL> 6He's my HERO!!!

[20:25] <liz-VHL> Mine toooo jael

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Red, we were assessing the election earlier, and the state of the US

[20:25] <jael-VHL> 6BRB

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> No better hero! He's the only GOOD man!

[20:25] <liz-VHL> wow i could danc3e like david danced right now

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> And a GREAT GOD!

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[20:25] <red-VHL> 7ok I could say alot but it might get me in trouble

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, His

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Red, go ahead - we'd like to hear your thoughts

[20:26] <NewHarv-VHL> King of kings and Lord of lords (and President of presidents I might add)!

[20:26] <liz-VHL> I love testifying to his wonders

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> If you get in trouble, we'll bail you out :)

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[20:26] <HiS-Woman-VHL> Thank you, Bob. This is the first time I've come here. Shalom, Shalom

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Amen, Liz!

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Shalom! Glad you joined us!

[20:26] <liz-VHL> my husband who is not saved gets tired of hearing it

[20:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Welcome, His-W

[20:26] <HiS-Woman-VHL> Thank You

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Well, we don't Liz :)

[20:27] <NewHarv-VHL> Shalom His!

[20:27] <HiS-Woman-VHL> Shalom Bezalel

[20:27] <red-VHL> 7His-woman hello welcome. be carefull I got addicted in one sitting

[20:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And your husband will listen...just keep the faith and prayer going.

[20:27] <HiS-Woman-VHL> Shalom NewHarv You are all making me feel so welcome.

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> OK - let's hear your assessment of the election results, newcomers

[20:27] <liz-VHL> can someone check the breaking news from Israelwire i just got an alert but cant get to it

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> I'll look, Liz

[20:28] <liz-VHL> okay thansk bob

[20:28] <jael-VHL> 6ok/ ......i'm back

[20:28] <liz-VHL> hmmmm its 3 there

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> israelwire has not worked for me for several days

[20:28] <Dex-VHL> I really don't want to hear the word election for some time now. They are just men.

[20:28] <jael-VHL> 6my small son had an exploding diaper emergency

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Dex, I agree

[20:29] <red-VHL> 7from my reading of national event, my thought is that the sitting president has more than an uphill battle.

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> It's a mistake to put too much "hope" into the news that Bush has been elected

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[20:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Sniff, sniff, everything okay, Jael?

[20:29] <liz-VHL> how old is your son jael i have a 4 month daughter

[20:29] <NewHarv-VHL> I think the real news is in Israel - what do you think of the situation there, Bob?

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> Because there is no "hope" for America apart from Jesus

[20:29] <HiS-Woman-VHL> Are there other Messianic Jews here tonight?

[20:29] <liz-VHL> who is asleep :) :)

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[20:30] <jael-VHL> 6in prayer, the Lord reminded me that jezebel lives in d.c., and bush will be in danger and He said to start praying for Jehu to come...what do you think bob?

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> OK - let's talk Israel - well, Netanyahu has finally made his move

[20:30] <red-VHL> 7i have a 3yr old and my youngest son turns 1 on 12/24

[20:30] <jael-VHL> 6HIS....here's one!!

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> and today, Netanyahu said he will not run unless the Knesset is dissolved

[20:31] <Dex-VHL> I agree. Isreal is where our eyes should be if we want to know the heartbeat of the world.

[20:31] <jael-VHL> 6true dex

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> some had hoped to pass a new law allowing him to run even without a new Knesset election

[20:31] <Barbara-VHL> 3Is that possible? To dissolve the Knesset?

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> of course, he is not yet even the leader of Likud, so it's a little premature

[20:31] <NewHarv-VHL> So, Bob, I wonder why the whole thing is giving me the heebeegeebees

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[20:31] <jael-VHL> 6didn't the knessest pass a prelimanary bill to let him run??

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Barbara, and likely

[20:31] <HiS-Woman-VHL> Shalom Jael. I LOVE talking with other Christians but sometime I get lonley because there aren't a lot of other Hebrew Christians to share with. I am SO GLAD :-) I stopped in here tonight!!

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Jael, the first reading, but he said even so he would not

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> unless Knesset is dissolved

[20:32] <michaelm6-VHL> 4hello bob

[20:32] <Barbara-VHL> 3We are glad you are here, too, His

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Michael!

[20:32] <jael-VHL> 6thanks for saying so, His...

[20:32] <Barbara-VHL> 3hi Michael;?

[20:32] <HiS-Woman-VHL> Thank you Barbara.

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Newharv?

[20:32] <Dex-VHL> Is BiBi that popular or is he just reaping the rewards of this era of peace vs. uncertainity.

[20:32] <michaelm6-VHL> 4sorry i left so fast last week, my sister in law had her baby

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Tell us about your heebeegeebees :)

[20:33] <jael-VHL> 6i haven't grown up knowing i'm Jewish though...so i'm mostly gouish still

[20:33] <Barbara-VHL> 3congratulations!! what did we have?

[20:33] <liz-VHL> yeah tell us

[20:33] <michaelm6-VHL> 4a little girl

[20:33] <jael-VHL> 6goyish, that is

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Dex, he's reaping the results of Barak's ineptitude, and his willingness to give away what God said not to

[20:33] <NewHarv-VHL> Just read an article about Sharon giving a speech and practically being thrown off the stage so Bibi could get up and speak. They are INTENSE about putting him back in office

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Congrats, Michael!

[20:34] <michaelm6-VHL> 4ty all

[20:34] <liz-VHL> do you find it strange bob that Bibi was PM for 3 1/2 years??????????????

[20:34] <jael-VHL> 6mazel tov, mike!!

[20:34] <HiS-Woman-VHL> Goy...what a terrible word that was when I was growing up Orthodox!! Now it seems to mean friend. You know?

[20:34] <liz-VHL> or am i just reading too much news :) :) :) :)

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Likud knows that Sharon's electability factor is low, and Bibi's is high

[20:34] <Barbara-VHL> 3I understand, His..:-)

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Liz, I don't think it's significant

[20:34] <jael-VHL> 6that's funny!!

[20:34] <liz-VHL> okay whew thanks Bob

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:34] <liz-VHL> i saw 3 1/2 and i had a mini heart attack :) :) :)

[20:35] <liz-VHL> numbers numbers numbers i live for numbers ya know 7 and 3 1/2 :) :) :) :)

[20:35] <Dex-VHL> ????? 3/12

[20:35] <jael-VHL> 6i visit another chat room thats Jewish ,and the overall attitude isn't too exclusive, but then i run into some characters there too

[20:35] <NewHarv-VHL> It just seems they are pinning a LOT of hopes on Netanyahu

[20:35] <Barbara-VHL> 3By the way, Bob, I got that piece into the room, but couldn't get it on the boasrd. Guess I need lessons!

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> Speaking of jumping to conclusions, I think that all the people who were so sure that Clinton had an "October surprise" to stay in office should take a lesson - don't be so paranoid without a rational basis :)

[20:36] <liz-VHL> hahahahahahahahahahaha

[20:36] <Barbara-VHL> 3Amen, Bob!

[20:36] <jael-VHL> 6good point,bob

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> Oh well Barbara - thanks for trying

[20:36] <liz-VHL> so whats is a rational paranoia right now bob :)

[20:36] <HiS-Woman-VHL> I'm starting a new little company so I can take my "Daddy's" stories to another generation. They were so sweet and full of love. I would appreciate all your prayers! In one day GOD doubled my income doing something I want to do. Isn't HE good!!!!:-O

[20:36] <jael-VHL> 6russia & iran???

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> What's the Billy Joel song "You may be right, I may be crazy?"

[20:37] <Barbara-VHL> 3rational paronia? :-)

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:37] <NewHarv-VHL> I'm not really jumping to conclusions, Bob, but more wondering what they are hoping from Netanyahu

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, rational paranoia :)

[20:37] <liz-VHL> he was called messiah last week

[20:37] <jael-VHL> 6WOW, His...talent must be dripping from your fingers!!! glory to God

[20:37] <NewHarv-VHL> "...but it just might be a lunatic you're looking for!!"

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> How wonderful, HIS!

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Right, Newharv! :)

[20:38] <NewHarv-VHL> There ya go, Liz, that's what I'm talking about!

[20:38] <Barbara-VHL> 3That's wonderful, His...we'll be praying for your success in G'd's will

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> I'm sure we look a little loony to some people - all this God-talk :)

[20:38] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2 Thank you but I'm just an old Jewish lady HE'S loved longer than I knew to love HIM.

[20:38] <liz-VHL> me too sis

[20:38] <Barbara-VHL> 3But aren't you glad He did, His? :-)

[20:38] <liz-VHL> but of course if its in front of our face we will miss it :)

[20:39] <jael-VHL> 6His...old Jewish ladies are some of my fave people!!:-)

[20:39] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2YES! YES!

[20:39] <Barbara-VHL> 3:-) :-)

[20:39] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Wow!

[20:39] <michaelm6-VHL> 4its amazing how many of my christian friends just don't see the signs around them

[20:39] <Barbara-VHL> 3I'm old...and wish I were Jewish..:-)

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> I think it's very interesting that in the period of nearly a year since we started these chats, we have had significant events that are happening to discuss EVERY week!

[20:40] <jael-VHL> 6on tbn. hal lindsey is on talking about the whole issue of Israel's election deal

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Like, God's at work here in history

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Jael?

[20:40] <jael-VHL> 6lol, barbara

[20:40] <Barbara-VHL> 3Like that, Bob..:-)

[20:40] <liz-VHL> i turned it on

[20:40] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Please remember Barbara, even saved Jews have to be grafted back in. You ARE a child of Abraham.

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Right, Michael!

[20:40] <jael-VHL> 6he's thinking that netanyahu will win ...the country doesn't trust barak

[20:40] <michaelm6-VHL> 4did anyone see jack van impe last night

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Yes, we have inherited the blessings of Abraham

[20:41] <Barbara-VHL> 3I KNOW!! Praise G'd!

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Nope, Michael - fill us in

[20:41] <Barbara-VHL> 3Just wish I could speak Hebrew

[20:41] <liz-VHL> i love messianic music

[20:41] <jael-VHL> 6i was watching jvi, but don't remember

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> But - God still has plenty of blessing in store for the natural descendants - to give them a "new heart"

[20:41] <Barbara-VHL> 3Hope he's right, Jael

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> one of these days, real soon now :)

[20:41] <liz-VHL> :) :) myfavorite

[20:41] <Barbara-VHL> 3I do too, liz

[20:41] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2The Liberated Wailing Wall from Jews-4-Jews are good.

[20:42] <jael-VHL> 6me too...but "bibi" isn't exactly a godly man

[20:42] <michaelm6-VHL> 4he said that he, pat robinson and other christian leaders are now on the fbi list of possible whats the word?, because they are against the european union and speaking against it

[20:42] <jael-VHL> 6i saw them at my old church years ago, His

[20:42] <Barbara-VHL> 3is that a site, His....Jews-4-Jews?

[20:42] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Bob, you have such a sweet and generous heart!!:-) I bless HIm because now I don't feel so lonely.

[20:42] <liz-VHL> i have adonai cd and one truly hebrew cd which is messianic but almost all hebrew

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Well, Michael, the EU is shaping up very very fast....

[20:43] <jael-VHL> 6have you ever heard of the segals?

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> but why would these Christian guys oppose it? It's prophesied in the Word? That's puzzling to me

[20:43] <jael-VHL> 6sh'ma Yisrael is my favorite

[20:43] <liz-VHL> yeah i have shyma Israel and elohim whew they are awesome

[20:43] <liz-VHL> yeah at the beginning

[20:43] <jael-VHL> 6oh man!!!

[20:43] <michaelm6-VHL> 4he said that the basis of the eu was from the ideas of leon trotsky who started the russian revolution

[20:43] <michaelm6-VHL> 4and communism

[20:43] <NewHarv-VHL> Bob, are you of the opinion that the 10 horns of Dan. and Rev. are a European Union confederacy?

[20:43] <liz-VHL> that first one with the military

[20:44] <liz-VHL> when they capture jersualem

[20:44] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Jews For Jesus is a Messianic Group from California that are so out of sight! When Moshe Rosen and I were much younger he confronted me and made me realize that although I had to give up my children and my earthly family that JESUS Himself did that and that HE promised to bless us now as well as in heaven. I feel like You Guys are a start of that promise:-)

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Newharv, it seems to be a strong possibility, especially given what we are seeing now

[20:44] <liz-VHL> oh tahst beautiful sis

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Though others have postulated that the 10 horns are 10 regions of the world

[20:44] <jael-VHL> 6wow, His...what a blessing

[20:44] <Barbara-VHL> 3oh, Wow, His...that's a wonderful testimony!

[20:45] <jael-VHL> 6his, where do you live?

[20:45] <Barbara-VHL> 3:-)

[20:45] <NewHarv-VHL> I have a little trouble with both of those positions

[20:45] <Barbara-VHL> 3wow! :-)

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Newharv? Expound :)

[20:45] <liz-VHL> i will be abck in afew!!!!!!!

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[20:45] <jael-VHL> 6brb

[20:46] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Spokane, washington Washington State.

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[20:46] <NewHarv-VHL> I have wondered more and more in the last couple of years if it is not a reference to the nations surrounding Israel, just as in Psalm 83

[20:46] <Barbara-VHL> 3oh my...very far away...I'm in Florida!

[20:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm in Bremerton on the "other" side, His...

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> In any event, regardless of the composition, we know in general what will happen, the general outline. And the attitude of the Lord is, to coin a phrase is "bring em on!"

[20:47] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2It's hard to talk with tears in my eyes. Florida? Want to visit there. Bremmerton is where I thought the LORD would call me but HE planned for me to be here.

[20:47] <Annie-VHL> Shalom All

[20:47] <NewHarv-VHL> Especially in light of Dan.8, which appears to show anti-christ arising from that area, not western Europe

[20:47] <michaelm6-VHL> 4hi annie

[20:47] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Shalom Annie

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Could be Newharv, but the way I see it, if there is a war soon involving the Psalm 83 cast, they will be pretty much enfeebled afterwards and will not be significant players in the end game

[20:47] <Barbara-VHL> 3will you give us that "general outline", Bob...for the guys in Prophecy 101?

[20:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Annie.

[20:48] <red-VHL> 7hi annie

[20:48] <Barbara-VHL> 3hi annie

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Where is that specifically, Newharv, about the AC rising from there?

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> outline of what Barbara? Be glad to, if I can

[20:49] <Barbara-VHL> 3about the L'rd.."bringing 'em out

[20:49] <NewHarv-VHL> Yes, unless certain more agressive nations stay out of the initial conflict, and then usurp the authority of those defeated and absorb them

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> Sure, Barbara

[20:50] <NewHarv-VHL> Dan. 8 speaks of the coming the empires of Medo-Persia, followed by Alexander the Great - the two rams

[20:50] <jael-VHL> 6OK, i'm back

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Here's how I understand it - human history, in the broad perspective, is a progression of the rebellion of mankind against the Lord in spite of His gracious act of love and redemption.....

[20:50] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Welcome back Jael. Was it the kids? This conversation is good.

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> And this rebellion, though now smoldering, will ignite as when the "man of sin is revealed"

[20:51] <jael-VHL> 6yep...little guy needed jammies & a bottle

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> And this will lead to the final showdown, which is the most described event in Bible prophecy

[20:51] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Cool

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> The Lord's triumphant victory in battle against the armies of the world

[20:52] <jael-VHL> 6zech 14?

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> And... God's attitude about this, as described in the Scriptures, is "Bring em on!

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> For example

[20:52] <Barbara-VHL> 3Thank you Bob...I get confused with trying to coordinate some of the scriptures!

[20:52] <NewHarv-VHL> Out of Alexander the Great's empire came up four horns, i.e. the four generals who to whom the empire was partitioned

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Proclaim this among the nations: Prepare for war! Rouse the warriors! Let all the fighting men draw near and attack. (Joel 3:9 NIV)

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears. Let the weakling say, 'I am strong!' (Joel 3:10 NIV)

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Come quickly, all you nations from every side, and assemble there. Bring down your warriors, O LORD! (Joel 3:11 NIV)

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> 'Let the nations be roused; let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, for there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side. (Joel 3:12 NIV)

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Swing the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, trample the grapes, for the winepress is full and the vats overflow-- so great is their wickedness!' (Joel 3:13 NIV)

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. (Joel 3:14 NIV)

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> The sun and moon will be darkened, and the stars no longer shine. (Joel 3:15 NIV)

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> The LORD will roar from Zion and thunder from Jerusalem; the earth and the sky will tremble. But the LORD will be a refuge for his people, a stronghold for the people of Israel. (Joel 3:16 NIV)

[20:53] <NewHarv-VHL> Those four areas stretch from what is now Greece/Macedonia eastward to India and south to Egypt

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Newharv, I'm not ignoring you, just went down a different track for a minute :)

[20:54] <Barbara-VHL> 3But you don't think it is going to be the "slaughter" that so many others do...right?

[20:54] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Opps...my big dog is begging at the dog (She LOVES snow) I hate to miss any of this but I'll be back as quick as I can.

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> of the Jews, you mean, Barbara?

[20:54] <Barbara-VHL> 3Yes

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Newharv and from the four parts of Alexanders empire came Antichious Epiphanes, who is a type of the antichrist

[20:55] <NewHarv-VHL> No problem, just thought I'd keep plugging away and get it all written down - Anyway in Dan 8:23 it says in the latter period of THEIR rule (i.e. those four areas ruled by the generals) an "insolent king" would appear

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[20:55] <NewHarv-VHL> from one of those four "horns"

[20:56] <Barbara-VHL> 3IJ'll wait, Bob...please let NewHarv continue

[20:56] <NewHarv-VHL> Right, but this prophecy has not been entirely fulfilled when you look at Dan 8:23-27

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> No, I do not, Barbara - certainly there will be horrible times on the earth, for everyone... but the way I see it, the Jews, who by that time may have largely turned to the Messiah Jesus, will have special protection

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> yes, I hope this is not too confusing - we are on 2 tracks here :)

[20:56] <Barbara-VHL> 3Good!!That's what I expect from G;d for His People!

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[20:56] <jael-VHL> 6do you think that the shaking now is to get them to turn to him?

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[20:56] <michaelm6-VHL> 4im lost

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[20:57] <Barbara-VHL> 3I'm sorry...I'll just listen and learn some more..:-) Thank you so much Bob

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Jael, and there will be much more

[20:57] <jael-VHL> 6oh boy...don't you know it!!!

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Sorry Michael - let's back up a little

[20:57] <NewHarv-VHL> When you read Dan. 8:23-27, it is obvious it is talking about the last days

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Let's focus on Daniel 8 for a little while

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[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Newharv, give us a summary once again of that prophecy, historically

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Which Gabriel also does......

[20:58] <NewHarv-VHL> Okay - Dan 8 speaks of the coming of two empires , first the medo-persian followed by Alexander the Great

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> He said: "I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end. (Daniel 8:19 NIV)

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. (Daniel 8:20 NIV)

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between his eyes is the first king. (Daniel 8:21 NIV)

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> Right - Gabriel explains that specifically

[20:59] <Annie-VHL> HE is waiting for them to call out to HIM and repent and stop making deals with others that is why HE is so angry and HE will leave only one-third of them (Jews) for HIS remnent

[20:59] <NewHarv-VHL> After Alexander dies i.e. his "horn" is broken

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> and.... what we see here is a "near/far" prophecy

[20:59] <NewHarv-VHL> Four horns arise in his place

[21:00] <NewHarv-VHL> Gabriel says specifically that out of one of those "horn" an "insolet king" will arise. Dan 8:23-27 describes is rise to power and defeat by the "Prince of princes"

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> The one, from the Selucid (Syrian) empire is the one of interest

[21:01] <NewHarv-VHL> The four horns were the four generals of Alexander the Great to whom his empire was partitioned

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[21:01] <VCI-Bob> He is the one who outlawed all expressions of the Jewish religion - leading ot the revolt of the Macabees - And in this chapter we have a transition from the "abomination of desolation" that was Antichious IV - to the future man who will be similar to him

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> the antichrist

[21:01] <jael-VHL> ok...i'm back

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Everyone follow so far?

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[21:01] <jael-VHL> 6not me...

[21:01] <michaelm6-VHL> 4yews

[21:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yup!

[21:01] <red-VHL> 7kindof

[21:02] <michaelm6-VHL> 4yes

[21:02] <Annie-VHL> Yes

[21:02] <Barbara-VHL> 3trying :-)

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> So... the point of interest for the future starts in v 23

[21:02] <red-VHL> 7keep going I'll get it eventually

[21:02] <NewHarv-VHL> So, the point is that this insolent king comes from one of these areas

[21:02] <jael-VHL> 6i was bumped off in the middle of what you were saying

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> "In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. (Daniel 8:23 NIV)

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. (Daniel 8:24 NIV)

[21:02] <jael-VHL> 6me too

[21:03] <NewHarv-VHL> He does not come from Western Europe

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> This is speaking of the future antichrist, who will be an extension, if you will, of Antichious Epiphanes (who called himself "God manifest")

[21:03] <NewHarv-VHL> Exactly

[21:03] <jael-VHL> 6from the mediterranean?

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> So... Newharv's thought, is that because of this the antichrist will come from Syria, or that region, correct?

[21:04] <NewHarv-VHL> Anywhere from Greece, eastward through the middle east and down to Egypt

[21:04] <jael-VHL> 6a syrian Jew no doubt

[21:04] <Barbara-VHL> 3Can that be Saddam?

[21:04] <jael-VHL> 6he has to be able to go into the temple

[21:04] <NewHarv-VHL> But, yes, the area of the ancient Seluecid empire looks most likely

[21:04] <michaelm6-VHL> 4i think saddam is too obvious

[21:04] <michaelm6-VHL> 4ac will be a deciever

[21:05] <Barbara-VHL> 3ok

[21:05] <michaelm6-VHL> 4saddam doesnt fool anyone

[21:05] <jael-VHL> 6new harv...where is that?

[21:05] <NewHarv-VHL> The seluecid empire, by the way, was much larger than what we now know as Syria

[21:05] <NewHarv-VHL> It comprised of eastern Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Iran, Iraq and even Israel for some of the time

[21:06] <jael-VHL> 6+

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> It's an interesting theory, but I'm not so about it - we cannot be too certain about the way that such things will be fulfilled - for example - the final empire will be a revival of Rome, but that does not mean it will be exactly the same as the first one, but a logical extension of it

[21:06] <michaelm6-VHL> 4so newharv, you think the ac will come out of middle east instead of the eu

[21:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The EU, Bob?

[21:06] <NewHarv-VHL> Why do we think the final empire will be a revival of Rome? Where did we get that idea?

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> And my personal opinion is that Syria is going to be toast long before the antichrist makes his appearance

[21:07] <NewHarv-VHL> Yes, I think he will comem out of the middle east

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> Well, Newharv, because of the visions of Daniel about the statue, with the toes and all

[21:07] <michaelm6-VHL> 4the way things are going the middle east may belong to the eu

[21:08] <jael-VHL> 6syria may be toast, but the man may still be of that descent

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> that it will be in the days of that final empire, the continuation of Rome, that the Stone made without hands will come and crush the kingdoms of the world

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> (Daniel 2)

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> could be, Jael :)

[21:08] <jael-VHL> 6of course, i'm no expert...i just have theories

[21:08] <jael-VHL> 6:-)

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> None of us are experts Jael - if a man says he's an expert of Bible prophecy, he's a fool :)

[21:09] <michaelm6-VHL> 4for all we know, one of the leaders in europe may have middle eastern blood in their background

[21:09] <jael-VHL> 6yep

[21:09] <red-VHL> 7good point mike

[21:09] <jael-VHL> 6actually....we all do ...you know, noah?

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[21:09] <michaelm6-VHL> 4i mean i have scotish, french, indian, and irish in my back ground

[21:10] <michaelm6-VHL> 4and noah

[21:10] <red-VHL> 7ok are we going to get into heritage now

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> OK - well, that was invigorating :)

[21:10] <jael-VHL> 6i have scot/irish/Jew/cherokee &norwegian

[21:10] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2I believe Scripture speaks a king arising who is "diverse" from those which could be likened to animals.

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> But the important points are not the specifics of who and what - we can debate those all day - the imporant points are what God is going to do!

[21:11] <jael-VHL> 6(for the record, just in case anyone is interested)

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> What do you mean, HIS?

[21:11] <red-VHL> 7what does "liken to animals" mean

[21:11] <jael-VHL> 6not having a conscience?

[21:12] <red-VHL> 7oh

[21:12] <jael-VHL> 6i'm guessing

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> That's quite a mix, Jael! :)

[21:13] <jael-VHL> 6you should see my kids!!!;-)

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> HIS, what verses are you referring to?

[21:13] <red-VHL> 7by the way jael- I have cherokee in me too. and irish germany...

[21:13] <jael-VHL> 6who knows...we may be related, my Jewish name was stein before it was turned to stone, stein is believed to be german

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> I'm British/French/German/Dutch/Belgian and who know what else

[21:14] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Oh, thank you. It speaks of the beasts rising from the sea, which of course is the Gentiile Nations, but then speaks of a latter king who appears to be a "beast' in GOD'S eyes. He takes power by force from three of the "horns" or kingdoms, and he is the one who makes a false peace with Israel; unless I am mistaken.

[21:14] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Daniel

[21:14] <jael-VHL> 6bob...quite the statesman?

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[21:14] <NewHarv-VHL> So sorry folks - I got logged off!!

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Harv;s back!

[21:15] <red-VHL> 7bye newharv

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> Glad you came back!

[21:15] <NewHarv-VHL> Man - what a time to get bumped - -I must have been on to something!

[21:15] <jael-VHL> 6harv...velcro helps a little

[21:15] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Please do not think me evasive, but as a girl and a woman I was forbidden TORAH so I'm not so quick with the verse #'s

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> Yes, HIS, he will be a "beast" all right

[21:15] <michaelm6-VHL> 4well have to repeat all those bad things we said while you were gone

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:15] <jael-VHL> 6:-) harv, i wondered about that before

[21:15] <NewHarv-VHL> Well, what I wanted to say before I was so rudely logged off is that I am throwing these thoughts out for everyone to simply consider

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> "In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. (Daniel 8:23 NIV)

[21:16] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Barbara, thank you for the notes.:-)

[21:16] <jael-VHL> 6His...we wouldn't think a thing like that!!

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> that phrase "master of intrigue" is literally "skilled in dark sayings"

[21:17] <NewHarv-VHL> We have gotten into sort of a box as far as our prophetic thinking has gone, we need to be willing to consider other alternatives rather than just the "usual party line"

[21:17] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Thank you

[21:17] <jael-VHL> 6anytime!!

[21:17] <NewHarv-VHL> Of course, it MUST line up with the scriptures at all times, that goes without saying

[21:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Don't ask about timing of the Rapture, NewHarv

[21:17] <Barbara-VHL> 3I'll be in touch, asia

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> Right, Newharv - we have way too many assumptions

[21:17] <michaelm6-VHL> 4yes newharv

[21:17] <jael-VHL> 6hey...we're mishpachah, His

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> things we've been taught by "experts"

[21:18] <Annie-VHL> Barb I lost you

[21:18] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2BEMET, of a truth

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> That's one thing I've learned in my studies- there really are no experts

[21:18] <NewHarv-VHL> Oh, Barbara I'm already off the boat on that one - I'm post-trib. But I have no desire to argue with anyone

[21:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Some of the most respected schools...

[21:18] <jael-VHL> 6oh boy bob...speaking of things taught by experts....have you ever heard about the rope around the high preists ankle?

[21:18] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2WONDERFUL!

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> tell us, Jael

[21:19] <NewHarv-VHL> Exactly Bob - we mustn't just parrot what the current "pop" teachers are saying, but dig into the Word for ourselves

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> right!

[21:19] <Barbara-VHL> 3think you've got me confused with one of the others, NewHarv :-)

[21:19] <jael-VHL> 6ok....everybody ready?

[21:19] <jael-VHL> 6it's not true

[21:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Oh, there goes another pet theory, Jael. :-(

[21:19] <michaelm6-VHL> 4you lost me jael

[21:19] <NewHarv-VHL> Sorry Barb, you're right. I address my comment bo Bezalel! :|

[21:19] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2The rope around the high priest's ankle was true.:-O

[21:20] <jael-VHL> 6ok, in lev. 16 it talks about the day of atonement

[21:20] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I was just commenting on the timing of Rapture stirring up some very lively discussions. ;-)

[21:20] <jael-VHL> 6it says specifically what he was to wear into the MOST HOLY PLACE

[21:20] <Barbara-VHL> 3s'ok :-)

[21:21] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2I have lost friends because of Rapture discussions.

[21:21] <michaelm6-VHL> 4ive got a question

[21:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I know what you mean, His.

[21:21] <jael-VHL> 6he was to wear the linen garments...the tunic and the undergarments...not the ephod,,,the garment with bells

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> I have a question for all of the experts here - this is from Daniel also - at the very end - one of the angels asked the Lord a question.......

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> which puzzles me

[21:21] <michaelm6-VHL> 4if you are post trib and it ends up being pre trib, will you still go

[21:21] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2BEMET

[21:21] <jael-VHL> 6if there were no bells...then why did he need a rope?

[21:22] <red-VHL> 7why not mike

[21:22] <Dex-VHL933> 5I'm listening bob.

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge." (Daniel 12:4 NIV)

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. (Daniel 12:5 NIV)

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?" (Daniel 12:6 NIV)

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed." (Daniel 12:7 NIV)

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, "My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?" (Daniel 12:8 NIV)

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> Daniel didn't understand either :)

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> My question is this - in verse 7

[21:22] <jael-VHL> 6we're in good company

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> what does it mean "when the power of the holy people has finally been broken"?

[21:23] <Barbara-VHL> 3If any of us understood all...we wouldn't need G'd's imput! :-)

[21:23] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2The rope was to pull his dead body from The Most Holy Place if GOD did not accept his preparations or his prayers for the people, since NO ONE could enter except by GOD'S decree.

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> I have my own theories, of course, based on other things said in Daniel, but I want to hear your input

[21:23] <NewHarv-VHL> I've often wondered if that has to do with Dan 7:25, where it is shown antichrist will "wear down the saints of the Hight One"

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Since it seems to be a key phrase

[21:24] <jael-VHL> 6right, but the part about hearing the bells , or not hearing the bells?

[21:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Could it be the sacrifices in the Temple, Bob?

[21:24] <NewHarv-VHL> "Highest One", sorry

[21:24] <Barbara-VHL> 3could that mean the "power" that we as Christians have while still on this earth...because of the indwelling Holyu Spirit?

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Newharv, I think so too

[21:24] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Dun't know. Maybe the bells show he's moving around?

[21:24] <NewHarv-VHL> This is not going to be a time of great triumph and glory for those who follow Christ

[21:25] <jael-VHL> 6but....he did not have them on in the holy of holies...only in the holy place

[21:25] <NewHarv-VHL> But, rather, I believe, a cleansing of the bride through fire to make her ready

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Well, that last three and half years will be characterized, among other things, by the antichrists relentless campaign to eliminate all believers

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> which God will allow, for a time

[21:25] <jael-VHL> 6amen, harv...i know thats true

[21:26] <jael-VHL> 6and bob

[21:26] <Barbara-VHL> 3I've always understood, jael, His...that the bells WERE to let others outside know the high priest was still alive...and yes, the rope was to pull him out if he should die witthin

[21:26] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2That's true. I know the rabbis would have twelve profound sayings by the sages, but I think in my own heart that we need to listen only to GOD. Haven't you experienced in your own life how SOFTLY the Holy Spirit speaks!!!!

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[21:26] <liz-VHL> thats weird it was telling me i had a firewall

[21:26] <liz-VHL> it wouldnt let me in:(

[21:27] <liz-VHL> can yall see me hello

[21:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Liz.

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> Yes, we see you :)

[21:27] <red-VHL> 7i see you

[21:27] <liz-VHL> okay

[21:27] <Annie-VHL> Hi Liz

[21:27] <liz-VHL> hi annie

[21:27] <Barbara-VHL> 3yes. liz loud and clear!!

[21:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And, you're looking very lovely tonight.

[21:27] <liz-VHL> so what did i miss??????

[21:27] <Dex-VHL933> 5I think it can be interpreted 2 seperate way depending on who you consider the people of the most high to be.

[21:27] <liz-VHL> hahahah bez

[21:27] <Barbara-VHL> 3such a lovely outfit!

[21:27] <red-VHL> 7where are you from liz to say "yall"

[21:28] <liz-VHL> oh im in ohio

[21:28] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Shalom Liz, glad you got through!

[21:28] <liz-VHL> but im from michigan

[21:28] <Dex-VHL933> 5If you consider them as christians I think we may be reaching that period now.

[21:28] <michaelm6-VHL> 4hey you have to be from texas to say yall

[21:28] <red-VHL> 7I am in Indiana hello neighbor

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Dex?

[21:28] <liz-VHL> oops michael!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[21:28] <NewHarv-VHL> I hate to tear myself away, but my children beckon. Again, this has been a wonderful mini-retreat for me. Thank you Bob, and all. I wish we could communicate more fully about these things throughout the week!

[21:28] <liz-VHL> hello red

[21:28] <liz-VHL> bye newharv

[21:28] <Dex-VHL933> 5If you consider them as Jews then

[21:29] <jael-VHL> 6new harv....shalom and it was a pleasure...

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Newharv, feel free to visit the VHL forums! We have lively discussions there also

[21:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night NewHarv

[21:29] <Barbara-VHL> 3shalom, NewHarv...G'd blress

[21:29] <Dex-VHL933> 5it could be speaking of the pre-millenial

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> God's blessings to you, Newharv

[21:29] <michaelm6-VHL> 4bye new hav

[21:29] <Dex-VHL933> 5era

[21:29] <red-VHL> 7bye harv God's blessing

[21:29] <NewHarv-VHL> Blessings to you all! Good night!

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[21:30] <VCI-Bob> Dex, don't you think it's speaking of the events of the three and half years?

[21:30] <Annie-VHL> Good nite Newharv and I must go to this N.Y. gal is tired but I've enjoyed it God Bless you All

[21:30] <jael-VHL> 6bob, did you follow about lev 16?

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> that it will be during that time?

[21:30] <Barbara-VHL> 3night, annie...

[21:30] <red-VHL> 7bye annie

[21:30] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Good night Annie

[21:30] <jael-VHL> 6shalom annie

[21:30] <Dex-VHL933> 5which 3 1-2 yrs?

[21:30] <Barbara-VHL> 3I'm going to be close behind you...:-)

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> that final 3 1/2

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> Night, Annie!

[21:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Annie

[21:30] <Dex-VHL933> 5of the tribulation?

[21:31] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Barbara...Thank you for sharing with me. Jael, do you have to go soon too?

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[21:31] <Barbara-VHL> 3my pleasure, His...so good to meet you.

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Yes - that's what the Lord was saying, I think - that those years are the culimination of all of history, and the focus of the the prophecies

[21:31] <jael-VHL> 6i probably should...i hope i didn't come across too hard on that rope thing(?)

[21:31] <Dex-VHL933> 5Yes, I think that is true.

[21:31] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2NO!!!

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Not at all, Jael!

[21:32] <Barbara-VHL> 3no problem, jael..

[21:32] <red-VHL> 7so is the last 3 1/2 yet to come?

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> :) We're happy to hear your insights :)

[21:32] <Dex-VHL933> 5It will only be then that the Jews will come accept Christ

[21:32] <jael-VHL> 6thanx:-)

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Red

[21:32] <michaelm6-VHL> 4i have to go, enjoyed it

[21:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Michael

[21:33] <Dex-VHL933> 5and that is what must be meant because of the "end of times" setting.

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Michael, great to have you here again! Thanks for coming!

[21:33] <jael-VHL> 6shalom mike

[21:33] <red-VHL> 7this is very cool. you have answered more ?s than you know

[21:33] <Barbara-VHL> 3good night, michael.;

[21:33] <jael-VHL> 6i think the Jews will come when the church makes them envious

[21:33] <michaelm6-VHL> 4see you after christmas

[21:33] <Barbara-VHL> 3love your name. My son's name :-)

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[21:33] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2May I ask a question of the Forum? I am a Jew and I am a believer. Why does that mean I stop being a Jew? Or, is it that IF...the Trib happens first, those Jews who remain will be supernaturally un-blinded, so to speak. Look at Romans 9 & 10:-)

[21:34] <Barbara-VHL> 3You don't stop being a Jew, His!

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> Yes, and there are indications that the return of the Messiah Jesus wull not happen until the Jews as a group ask for HIM - we'll get to that in a minute

[21:34] <jael-VHL> 6you never stop being a Jew!!

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> No, of course you don't stop being a Jew

[21:34] <Barbara-VHL> 3Christ is a Jew....still!

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> you are a Jew who recognizes the Jewish Messiah :)

[21:35] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2I see. Sometimes I don't always understand Christian buzz-words. I think we were talking about two different topics. I'm glad I asked.

[21:35] <Barbara-VHL> 3AMEN!!

[21:35] <jael-VHL> 6all the writers of the new covenant were Jews

[21:35] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2True!

[21:35] <Dex-VHL933> 5His woman. I think that you are seeing this a little skewed

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> Yes, a Gentile believer was a rare thing in the church, at first

[21:36] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Thank you Dex, in what way?

[21:36] <Dex-VHL933> 5YOU ARE HIS WOMAN before you are a Jew.

[21:36] <jael-VHL> 6His....there are some tremendous teachings by dr. michael brown that put it all beautifully into perspective

[21:36] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Great!

[21:36] <Dex-VHL933> 5I know that may sound simplistic

[21:37] <jael-VHL> 6the book, "our hands are stained with blood" impacted me powerfully

[21:37] <Dex-VHL933> 5but your nationality bound you by law.

[21:37] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Your brief reply spoke volums in my heart. You a dear brother and friend, Dex.

[21:37] <Dex-VHL933> 5your faith bound you by grace.

[21:37] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Jael...I will look for it, thank you!

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> When one reads the profound and majestic prophecies about the Messiah in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah, etc, they are very much Jewish in nature - He is the Son of David!

[21:37] <Dex-VHL933> 5you are above the law

[21:37] <jael-VHL> 6you're welcome, His ...anything to help a sister

[21:38] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2True. For by the LAW I stand condemned.

[21:38] <Barbara-VHL> 3we ALL do, His

[21:38] <Dex-VHL933> 5amen.

[21:39] <jael-VHL> 6the written law we still must obey...to a degree... you can't just throw it out because of grace...but, the oral MAN MADE laws , we don't need to be bound by

[21:39] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Is there a way I might get this book?

[21:39] <Barbara-VHL> 3G'd's laws are guidelines for our daily living

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> It's on amazon.com

[21:39] <jael-VHL> 6sure...hold on, i'll get the address

[21:39] <Dex-VHL933> 5Bob. What is your take on the UN as the little horn?>

[21:39] <jael-VHL> 6oh thanx bob

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[21:40] <Barbara-VHL> 3shalom. skiop

[21:40] <jael-VHL> 6or at any christian bookstore i would think

[21:40] <Barbara-VHL> 3skip

[21:40] <Barbara-VHL> 3:-)

[21:40] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2I keep koiser so that I might witness to my Jewish friends without insulting them but I'm so glad that the prayers I say now are from my heart and not from fear

[21:40] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Skip

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Dex, as I understand it, the "little horn" speaks of the antichrist specifically

[21:40] <skip-VHL> hi all:-)

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> but the United Nations are sure playing the role described for them in the Bible - aligning against Israel, and against the Lord

[21:41] <Barbara-VHL> 3oh, dear His...amen and amen!

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Hi Skip! Shalom!

[21:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2His-Woman, you are a wonderful addition to this chat.

[21:41] <skip-VHL> missed ya,ll

[21:41] <jael-VHL> 6amen His...Ruach Ha Kodesh will give you wisdom and show you exactly how to walk out your precious salvation

[21:41] <Barbara-VHL> 3indeed!

[21:41] <Dex-VHL933> 5What about the platform from which the little horn arises?

[21:41] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2My blushes!!!!!:-O

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> verse, Dex?

[21:41] <jael-VHL> 6:->

[21:42] <Barbara-VHL> 3nice teeth, jael

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> "While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully. (Daniel 7:8 NIV)

[21:42] <Barbara-VHL> 3yours?

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> From there, Dex?

[21:42] <jael-VHL> 6thanx, it's rembrandt

[21:42] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2It's the joy I have in knowing I can turn to HIM for any little think. How odd that so few Christian friends of mine seem to see HIM as a full person. Or maybe we're just afriad to be as open as we are in this forum???

[21:42] <Barbara-VHL> 3wow...gotta get me some!

[21:42] <Dex-VHL933> 5Ok let's start from there.

[21:43] <jael-VHL> 6:->

[21:43] <red-VHL> 7again with the teeth

[21:43] <Barbara-VHL> 3you'll meet some really wonderful Christians on here, and in VHL, His...

[21:43] <Dex-VHL933> 5Dan. 7-23 4th beast.

[21:43] <jael-VHL> 6His...many christians name the Name but don't live the reality

[21:43] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2I have already!!!!

[21:43] <Barbara-VHL> 3need my sunglasses, jael

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> HIS - unforunately, most Gentile Christians have a very stunted viewpoint of their faith - not realizing that it is Jewish at it's root

[21:43] <jael-VHL> 6sorry, i'll tone it down a bit

[21:43] <Dex-VHL933> 5Do you agree this represents the Roman empire.

[21:44] <jael-VHL> 6:-)

[21:44] <jael-VHL> 6better?

[21:44] <Barbara-VHL> 3yes, His...many profess...but only few posess!

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> "He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. (Daniel 7:23 NIV)

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. (Daniel 7:24 NIV)

[21:44] <Barbara-VHL> 3yes, much...thank you!

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> Dex, a revival of the Roman empire in some form, yes, but not necessarily just like the first

[21:44] <Barbara-VHL> 3must be late....:-)

[21:44] <Dex-VHL933> 5Did you get my question.

[21:45] <Dex-VHL933> 5agreed.

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[21:45] <Barbara-VHL> 3jguess I need to get to beddie, myself..

[21:45] <Dex-VHL933> 5not necessarily as the first

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> and the "little horn" will subdue 3 other kings

[21:45] <Barbara-VHL> 3Shalom to you all....

[21:45] <red-VHL> 7this doesn't sound like the un bob?

[21:45] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Barbara

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Barbara! Always a pleasure!

[21:45] <red-VHL> 7bye barbara

[21:45] <Barbara-VHL> 3it's been wonderful

[21:45] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2I'm going to eavsdrop of the men a little longer, but I would like to keep in touch with you. May I?

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[21:46] <Dex-VHL933> 5do you feel that the 4th beast could represent the U.N

[21:46] <red-VHL> 7hey his, I am woman too

[21:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'll be disappointed if you don't come back, His...

[21:46] <Dex-VHL933> 5or more specifically an intergral part of the UN

[21:46] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Sorry Red. You were so asutue!

[21:47] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2Thank YOU!!!!

[21:47] <red-VHL> 7well thank you, thank you very much

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Red, though the antichrist's objective will be world dominion, he will not have an easy go of it at first, apparently - it will not be a monolithic world empire with the UN in control - there will be other kingdoms fighting against him, but he will eventually succeed greatly

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[21:47] <VCI-Bob> that's my interpretation - don't take it as "gospel truth" :)

[21:48] <Dex-VHL933> 5I'm not preaching this but I did venture by their site

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[21:48] <Dex-VHL933> 5and well.....

[21:48] <red-VHL> 7I agree bob but the un will be a great help at unifying the world don't you think?

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Yes

[21:48] <Dex-VHL933> 5you should visit it for yourself.

[21:48] <Dex-VHL933> 5look at their home page, their organs, their agenda.

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> But it's not going to be only through a voluntary "we are the world" effort, but military conquest

[21:49] <red-VHL> 7the un website dex? I've seen it, it is spooky:-O

[21:49] <Dex-VHL933> 5It was very familiar.

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Dex - if the United Nations are united about anything, it's their hatred of the Lord, and Israel

[21:50] <Dex-VHL933> 5SPOOKY IS A VERY GOOD WORD.

[21:50] <Dex-VHL933> 5i

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[21:51] <Dex-VHL933> 5I agree Bob.

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> OK - I guess this is where I as the host am supposed to say something to break the silence :)

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[21:51] <HiS-Woman-VHL> 2I'm sorry to say goodbye. But we are indeed to encourage one another, as you have me. Shalom

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[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Red's back :)

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[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, HIS! Join us again!

[21:51] <truth-VHL> 2GOOD MORNING ALL YE SIANTS

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> We enjoyed your contributions!

[21:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Our Red rubber ball came bouncing back!

[21:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Truth

[21:52] <red-VHL> hello again

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Hello, Mr Truth, from South Africa, I presume?

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[21:52] <truth-VHL> 2ye thats me Bob

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Wonderful!

[21:52] <red-VHL> i've never been discribed as a red rubber ball. thanks for the chuckle

[21:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2YW, :-)

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> Folks, remember to pray for Stan's situation with VHL - it's still far from resolved

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[21:53] <truth-VHL> 2I trust everyone is well

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[21:54] <truth-VHL> 2will do Bob

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[21:54] <VCI-Bob> The sale of VHL is still in transition, and Stan's permit to work in Israel was tied to the old owner

[21:54] <truth-VHL> 2Hi DDSrail

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, DDS

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Are you a dentist? :)

[21:55] <red-VHL> I talked to stan on monday for the first time. his has some amazing storys

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[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Stan's an amazing guy - I appreciate him greatly

[21:55] <truth-VHL> 2DEX YOU ON AS A DOUBLE??

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[21:55] <Dex-VHL907> 5yes I was disconnected

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Split personality?

[21:56] <Dex-VHL907> 5and now I'm seeing doule.

[21:56] <Dex-VHL907> 5Seriously

[21:56] <Dex-VHL907> 5how do i stop it.

[21:56] <truth-VHL> 2wee one of you has just left

[21:56] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You show only one login now.

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[21:56] <VCI-Bob> Seeing double?

[21:57] <Dex-VHL907> 5hearty laugh.

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:57] <red-VHL> I hate to leave guys and gals but my bed is screaming for me. God's blessing to you all

[21:57] <truth-VHL> 26Hi jael

[21:57] <jael-VHL> i'm comp challenged tonight!!

[21:57] <jael-VHL> 6hi truth

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> Red - glad you came back! Join us again!

[21:57] <Dex-VHL907> 5God bless you red. Hope to see you again here soon.

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[21:58] <VCI-Bob> We promise not to ever charge admission to these chats LOL

[21:58] <jael-VHL> 6shalom red....hope your bed stops screaming when you lay down

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Jael, could make for some restless sleeping huh :)

[21:58] <jael-VHL> 6sure could!!

[21:58] <Dex-VHL907> 5Bob. What do you do when you're not hosting this?

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Oh, lots of things - eat too much, for one :)

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> My profession is computer consultant

[21:59] <Dex-VHL907> 5me too

[21:59] <Dex-VHL907> 5ooops

[21:59] <jael-VHL> 6oh..one of those "full gospel preachers"?

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> no, not that bad :)

[21:59] <jael-VHL> 6hyuck hyuck

[22:00] <Dex-VHL907> 5I'm a nurse.

[22:00] <jael-VHL> 6i'm a professional mom

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> cool! I admire that profession greatly

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> and that one too :)

[22:00] <Dex-VHL907> 5me too mom

[22:00] <DDSrail-VHL> What's new at the Temple Mount in Jerusalem?

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> I have a Mom :) And I appreciate her :)

[22:01] <jael-VHL> 6i'm a mom in desperate need of a vacation though:-O

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> DDS, the illegal excavations continue unabated, I read today

[22:01] <truth-VHL> 63common complaint Jael

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> seems that some are of the opinion that the Moslems intend to build another huge mosque there

[22:01] <jael-VHL> 6man, will they be surprised when Jesus shows up?!

[22:01] <Dex-VHL907> 5I was only aware of 2 there.

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[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Karen!

[22:02] <jael-VHL> 6plus...we are gonna have another one in may, truth

[22:02] <DDSrail-VHL> How sad, I think it is a power expression?

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Barak continues to refuse to enforce the law and stop the excavations

[22:02] <Karen-VHL> Shalom Everyone! I am so glad to see you are all here...I just got in from work and I am so excited to actually have a little energy!

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[22:03] <truth-VHL> 3MOM's need that

[22:03] <Karen-VHL> Well, was tonight's chat mainly about the election frenzy being over?

[22:03] <jael-VHL> 6karen, i'm glad to hear energy exists this time if night

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Yes, DDS, it's a power play, no doubt - political and spiritual

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[22:03] <jael-VHL> 6truth, what?

[22:03] <truth-VHL> 3HI KAREN

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> But - God has His plans for that piece of real estate, and they won't be thwarted

[22:03] <Karen-VHL> jael...truly this is unusual for me..I am usually walking into walls by this time of night...lol...

[22:03] <Karen-VHL> Shalom Truth...how r u this evening?

[22:03] <jael-VHL> 6like me no doubt

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Karen, we did discuss the election results earlier

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> but if you wish to interject your analysis, feel free :)

[22:04] <Karen-VHL> Bob, what was the general concensus?

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[22:04] <Dex-VHL907> 5jael. are you speaking of another mosque or child?

[22:04] <truth-VHL> 3I am well thatnks and you Karen??

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Rich!

[22:04] <truth-VHL> 3Hi rich

[22:04] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Bob and everyone

[22:04] <jael-VHL> 6truth...i forgot to mention the word bay before the part of what we're having in may

[22:05] <Karen-VHL> Well, I am just glad it is done at least for this stretch..

[22:05] <jael-VHL> 6BABY

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 7Bez how are you hi truth

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 7skip hello

[22:05] <Dex-VHL907> 5congrats

[22:05] <Karen-VHL> truth...I am doing ok.. I am a little sad about the condition of Bethlehem...

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> I guess the consensus was - better Bush than Gore, but he is no solution to the problems of this nation

[22:05] <jael-VHL> 6:->

[22:05] <DDSrail-VHL> Do you think Ezekiel 38 & 39 might be the last Jihad of these events?

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> and.... we hope that Bush takes a strong stand for what is right

[22:05] <Karen-VHL> jael...what a smile! lol...

[22:06] <jael-VHL> 6BABY:->

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> DDS, personally I do see a war coming, but not the one of Ezekiel 38 & 39.....

[22:06] <jael-VHL> 6THERE, I GOT THEM CONNECTED, LOL

[22:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Rich

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> the situation is not quite right for that one

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 7I'm going to write Bush Bob and make sure he knows all about Israel

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> in my opinion

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> Great, Rich!

[22:06] <Karen-VHL> Bob, I have been very bothered over the past years to see what Bethlehem has come to. And I keep praying that the L-rd would help me understand how it is that this important earthern place of the Messiah's birth could be so overrun

[22:06] <jael-VHL> 6HEY perry stone is on!!

[22:07] <truth-VHL> 3I think we all are Karen

[22:07] <Rich-VHL> 7I hope I can do it tactfully

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> May the Lord grant you favor in speaking His intentions, Rich

[22:07] <Rich-VHL> 7thank you Bob

[22:07] <DDSrail-VHL> The nations mentioned are all Islamic in today's world.

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Karen, not only Bethlehem, but so many other vital places of Bible history

[22:07] <jael-VHL> 6islam must fall

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> True, DDS, but notice....

[22:08] <Rich-VHL> 7islam will fall jael

[22:08] <skip-VHL> sorry I have company:-)

[22:08] <jael-VHL> 6yep, joseph's tomb, rachael's tomb

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> none of the immediate surrounding Arab nations are mentioned in Ezekiel 38

[22:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bye Skip

[22:08] <jael-VHL> 6amen rich!!

[22:08] <Rich-VHL> 7persia was iran and iraq

[22:08] <jael-VHL> 6have fun skip

[22:09] <Karen-VHL> Bob, true, I have given the destruction of various tombs alot of thought as well. I keep saying why G-d - why after all that Israel has been through can it come to these special places being almost destroyed if not totally destroyed.

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> which to may says, among other things, they they will not be a factor in the future war, because they will have already been neutralized in this impending war

[22:09] <skip-VHL> love ya,ll c u :-)

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> Just Iran, Rich, not Iraq

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[22:09] <DDSrail-VHL> I can't help but see Islam's defeat as the only way a Third Jewish Temple could be built?

[22:09] <jael-VHL> 6shalom skip

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> Right DDS

[22:10] <jael-VHL> 6perry stone is talking about persia/iran right now!!!

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> some see a co-existing Temple with the Muslim structures there, but that is IMPOSSIBLE

[22:10] <Rich-VHL> 7I think iran was too Bob I seen once where it changed its name back in 1928 I think it was

[22:10] <jael-VHL> 6dds, there is no way they will let the Jews even on the sight, much less build a temple

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Jael, what is he saying? :)

[22:11] <Karen-VHL> well, there is something really bothering me about all of this..I have like this continually nudging in my spirit...when that happens I know G-d is trying to show me something. I suppose I will need to wait upon the L-rd for whatever reasons

[22:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2BRB Doggy break. :-)

[22:11] <jael-VHL> 6a amjor islam/chritian/Jew war

[22:11] <jael-VHL> 6sorry

[22:11] <Rich-VHL> 7the new Temple will not stand beside the dome of the rock

[22:11] <Karen-VHL> who is perry stone?

[22:11] <jael-VHL> 6islam fighting the christians & Jews

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> Perry Stone is a prominent prophecy teacher

[22:12] <jael-VHL> 6he is a very good end times prophecy teacher

[22:12] <Karen-VHL> jael...the Muslims - at least Arafat has tried in the recent past to get the Christians to stand against Israel in some instances..

[22:12] <jael-VHL> 6he sounds like he knows his stuff

[22:12] <DDSrail-VHL> Ezekiel 39 indicates the invaders are destroyed on the mountains of Israel!

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> Yes :)

[22:12] <Karen-VHL> And what is perry stones take concerning Israel?

[22:13] <jael-VHL> 6the merkava Israeli tank that means chariot!!!

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> I'll be back in a few minutes - keep on chatting, friends :)

[22:13] <Karen-VHL> Don't want to bounce all over but it is late and I know Bob may need to leave soon so I would like to ask this question of him if I may....

[22:13] <jael-VHL> 6he believes and teaches alot of what we've been discussing

[22:13] <Karen-VHL> Ya see...there he goes..lol..

[22:14] <jael-VHL> 6ok...shoot

[22:14] <DDSrail-VHL> I don't think tanks will destroy the invaders of Ezekiel 38 & 39?

[22:14] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Karen please do

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Go ahead Karen - I'll answer it first :)

[22:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2All done

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> if I can, of course

[22:14] <Karen-VHL> What is everyone's take on Bibi really having a chance to get back into the P.M. seat?

[22:14] <jael-VHL> 6dds, i'm not getting all that he's saying

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> By the way, for all you people in frigid climes, I have my windows open here in Tampa :) heh heh

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 7depends on the Knesset I think Karen

[22:15] <jael-VHL> 6me too in pensacola

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Karen, I'd say his chances of getting the PM job back are very good

[22:15] <Dex-VHL907> 5a little too cold for that in Georgia

[22:15] <jael-VHL> 6the chariot (tank) shoots missiles called "arrows"

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 7lcky dog Bob its 20 degrees here in central mich.

[22:15] <Dex-VHL907> 5he appears to have enough popular support

[22:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Is it true, that they heat Florida by burning chads?

[22:16] <Rich-VHL> 7lucky

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> Tis true, Bez :)

[22:16] <jael-VHL> 6it's in scripture about persia being fought in the golan heights

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> I'm glad my name is not "Chad" :)

[22:16] <DDSrail-VHL> It seems to me God will be the destroyer as He establishes His rule of the Temple Mount?

[22:16] <Dex-VHL907> 5that is really, really funny

[22:16] <Karen-VHL> ok, Bob...don't want to keep you from what you were going to do..perhaps when you return you could share a few reason why you think he will be able to overcome Baraks political ploys

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Barak is politically in critical condition, if not already DOA

[22:17] <jael-VHL> 6i think zech 14 has something to do with that dds

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> OK - I'll be back in a few minutes - chat away :)

[22:17] <jael-VHL> 6barak is dead in the water

[22:17] <Rich-VHL> 7I gotta go have an early morning, love and peace to all

[22:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2NIght Rich

[22:17] <jael-VHL> 6blessings rich

[22:18] <jael-VHL> 6nahum 2:3 is the scripture about chariots

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[22:18] <Karen-VHL> true..Barak is in pretty tough shape....however, my understanding is that one of his main reasons for resigning as he did was to more or less make it impossible for Bibi to run..

[22:18] <Dex-VHL907> 5Karen, I think that if arafat could manipulate OPEC he could potentially turn the west against Isreal.

[22:18] <jael-VHL> 6chariots with flaming torches

[22:18] <Karen-VHL> Shalom Rich..sweet dreams and lila tov in the Messiah...

[22:19] <DDSrail-VHL> I think Zech goes further in time to events after Ezekiel 38 & 39 take place?

[22:19] <jael-VHL> 6karen...just for the record, what does lila tov mean?

[22:19] <Dex-VHL907> 5There is much more sentiment here in the US today for the palastinians than there was just a few years ago.

[22:19] <Karen-VHL> jael...good nite..

[22:19] <jael-VHL> 6aahhh, thats what i thought

[22:19] <Karen-VHL> Dex...I don't know if Arafat could really exercise that much power...

[22:20] <jael-VHL> 6how about erev tov/

[22:20] <Bezalel-VHL> 2He got plenty of support the last go-around.

[22:20] <Karen-VHL> Dex...but you are right about the "if he could" he might very well happen..

[22:20] <Dex-VHL907> 5He is perhaps the most influential arab today simply because he has the worlds ear.

[22:21] <DDSrail-VHL> I just wonder if events of today are leading to a literal fulfillment of prophecy in Ezekiel?

[22:21] <Karen-VHL> jael...don't know the erev part...

[22:21] <jael-VHL> 6ok, thanx

[22:21] <Karen-VHL> brb..need to go get a drink of soda or something....

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> DDS - yes, I think the events of today are setting the stage for that

[22:22] <Dex-VHL907> 5We americans scream when gas increases 25 cents. I often how far our sympathy for Isreal would stretch if gas was to double with the threat of no end in sight.

[22:22] <DDSrail-VHL> The Temple Mount seems so critical to everything I'm thinking?

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> Certainly, DDS - it's the focal point, because it's the place where the Lord said His Name would dwell forever

[22:23] <jael-VHL> 6dds, very much so...thats what this whole battle is about...Messiah's throne

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> and the place from which the Son of God will rule as King

[22:23] <jael-VHL> 6(what bob said)

[22:23] <jael-VHL> 6:-)

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> (what Jael said)

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:23] <Karen-VHL> Bob, have you heard if the the attempt to change the election laws concerning Bibi have passed, stalled, or not been decided yet?

[22:23] <jael-VHL> 6:->

[22:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:->

[22:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2GMTA Jael

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> it passed first reading, Karen

[22:24] <Dex-VHL907> 5I don't think one can surmise what will happen on the temple mount after the rapture.

[22:24] <jael-VHL> 6gmta?

[22:24] <Karen-VHL> look at all these toothy grins here..boy what a smile!

[22:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Great minds think alike.

[22:24] <Karen-VHL> ok, so when will the final decision be made..do you know?

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> but - Bibi said that he would not use it anyway - that he would not run unless Knesset is dissolved

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> and new Knesset elections

[22:24] <jael-VHL> 6if you're happy & you know it clap your hands!!

[22:24] <Dex-VHL907> 5Christians will not even be a force to be considered.

[22:24] <Karen-VHL> So what are the chances of the Knesset being dissolved?

[22:25] <jael-VHL> 6oh...cool bez, thanx for the compliment

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> fairly good, Karen

[22:25] <Karen-VHL> jael..so now you expect me to clap and type at the same time....jeez! ok...I will take a time out and clap!

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> but the situation flucuates rapidly

[22:25] <DDSrail-VHL> The command to sacrifice of Isaac, and the sacrifice of Christ all took place on that same mountain on which the city of Jerusalem is built.

[22:25] <Karen-VHL> Yes, Israel has a very topsy turvy kind of gov't....

[22:26] <jael-VHL> 6:-man, this teaching is so for right now about what we were talking about...the last days battle

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> right DDS - Mount Moriah

[22:26] <DDSrail-VHL> I think there is something bigger then polotics going on?

[22:27] <jael-VHL> 6yep

[22:27] <Karen-VHL> Bob..last time we chatted in this forum we spoke briefly about the end ect and the place we were at...do you believe war on the horizon is very close?

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> "at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite"

[22:27] <Dex-VHL907> 5The hand of God is always at work.

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Karen

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Sure, DDS - it's God's hand at work, orchestrating events to His declared outcome

[22:28] <Karen-VHL> like how close....

[22:28] <Dex-VHL907> 5Bob I have a question.

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> I don't know, Karen :)

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Dex?

[22:29] <jael-VHL> 6well, everyone ..as awesome as this chat is, i must spend some time with my offspring before they go to bed...you know ...that mom thing!!:->

[22:29] <Dex-VHL907> 5I have seen Gog and Magog referred to as Russia and it seems to be commonly accepted that this is so.

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> yes

[22:29] <Karen-VHL> Shalom jael...sweet dreams in the Messiah..

[22:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Jael. Give the kids a kiss for the room.

[22:29] <Dex-VHL907> 5Can you tell me why this is.

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> Night, Jael!

[22:29] <Karen-VHL> Hey Bob..

[22:29] <jael-VHL> 6yes...lila tov and Yahweh's richest blessings to you all!!!

[22:30] <Dex-VHL907> 5God bless jael.

[22:30] <jael-VHL> 6thanx bez...thats sweet

[22:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2It's the grandpa in me.

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Dex, it's been a common position for many years, dating back well into the 19th century, even before Russia was a world power, that some preachers have said it's Russia

[22:30] <jael-VHL> 6see you next time, unless we meet in the air first!!

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Based on the "table of nations" from Genesis

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[22:31] <VCI-Bob> How the descendants of Noah spread out, where the settled

[22:31] <DDSrail-VHL> Gog and Magog may well be the land area where these grandsons of Noah settled. It is North of the Cacusus in what is now Moslem dominated teritories.

[22:31] <Dex-VHL907> 5That's what I wanted. Thanks. I'll look it up.

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> the names used in Ezekiel match up with the names used of Noah's descendants, and we can see where they settled

[22:31] <Karen-VHL> ok...I am going to go now...I really would like to stay..I have alot I would like to talk about but I am getting really tired..so much for the energy lasting! Shalom in the Messiah to all....

[22:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Karen.

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> Night, Karen :)

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> Right, DDS

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[22:32] <Dex-VHL907> 5God Bless you Karen

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> There are a few Bible teacher that say it's not Russia, but most think it is

[22:34] <DDSrail-VHL> Ezekiel 38 & 39 tell of a three pronged invasion from the North, East, and South - all msoslem territories in today's world.

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> Yes

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> Libya, Iran, Sudan involved

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> as well as some European nations

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> but no Arab nations

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> Now, tell me, what good Arab leader is going to miss a war against Israel?

[22:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Didn't you say last week, that Egypt will not be involved in near-term , regional war?

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> Unless.... they've already been defeated and enfeebled?

[22:37] <truth-VHL> 3good night all. was nice "listening" to you will try to see you again next week. Cannot promise as our phones are kind of expensive

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> Night, Truth! God bless you, brother!

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Bez

[22:37] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night truth.....glad you make the investment in us!

[22:38] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And Egypt will not be involved in 38&39 war?

[22:38] <VCI-Bob> apparently not

[22:38] <Bezalel-VHL> 2What the heck will happen to Egypt....?

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[22:38] <VCI-Bob> Well, it will be conquered by the antichris

[22:38] <VCI-Bob> He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. (Daniel 11:42 NIV)

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. (Daniel 11:41 NIV)

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. (Daniel 11:42 NIV)

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians in submission. (Daniel 11:43 NIV)

[22:39] <DDSrail-VHL> North Africa are the invaders from the South. They must enter through Egypt, but Egypt is not mentioned as part of the invasion forces.

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> right DDS

[22:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Boy, I have sooooo much to learn.

[22:40] <Dex-VHL907> 5meeeeee too

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> Me too!

[22:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Okay, let me see if I've got this straight..

[22:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Egypt and Libya will be "overcome" by the AC, so will never move against Israel?

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> hmmm

[22:42] <Dex-VHL907> 5Goodnight all and may God bless. Bob, again I enjoyed it and look forward to next week. Bezalel and DDS , it was nice to meet yall.

[22:42] <DDSrail-VHL> I keep going back to the Temple Mount, and the next Jewish Temple as ceter to all this prophecy!

[22:42] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Dex.

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> Night, Dex! Shalom - come back again!

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[22:43] <VCI-Bob> Libya is included in the Ezekiel coalition, Bez

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> I can't say I understand how it all fits together

[22:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The near-term war?

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> no

[22:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 2 38&39?

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> the later war

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> yes

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> Right DDS - that is the key, of course

[22:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 2But, didn't the Daniel scripture show that Egypt and Libya were in submission?

[22:45] <VCI-Bob> yes, to the AC

[22:45] <Bezalel-VHL> 2It really doesn't matter, though. The Lord will defeat whoever is involved.

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> righto: He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him. (Daniel 11:45 NIV)

[22:46] <DDSrail-VHL> I do not think Daniel and Ezekiel 38 & 39 are the same battle?

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> DDS - there are different opinions about that - I don't really know

[22:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I did think it interesting that Egypt will not be involved in either conflict.

[22:47] <VCI-Bob> yes - there are other end-time prophecies (apparently) about Egypt in Jeremiah...

[22:47] <VCI-Bob> but I'm not sure how they all fit together

[22:47] <VCI-Bob> and Isaiah also

[22:47] <DDSrail-VHL> I agree there are many different views. When it literally happens we will alll know. For now the best we can do is speculate!

[22:47] <VCI-Bob> yeah :)

[22:48] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And have great confidence in the ending. :-)

[22:48] <VCI-Bob> Oh yes indeed!!!

[22:49] <DDSrail-VHL> Yes! It ends at the Temple Mount!

[22:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I keep imagining the Gentiles entering/coming to Israel with the children on their shoulders (Isaiah 49)

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> a nice picture

[22:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2For some reason, that imagery is very strong for me. Keeps my tool box by the door. :-)

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:51] <DDSrail-VHL> I got herelate. I'll try to be on time next Thurs.

[22:52] <VCI-Bob> DDS, your first time here?

[22:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You should try to make it Mondays, also, DDS.

[22:52] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Stan has a great chat on Mondays - live from Jerusalem!

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[22:52] <VCI-Bob> Skip's back! :)

[22:52] <skip-VHL> hi again

[22:52] <DDSrail-VHL> Yes, first time.

[22:53] <VCI-Bob> Wonderful! We hope you become a "regular" :)

[22:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Isn't this how it got started last week, Bob?

[22:53] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:53] <skip-VHL> glad to hear BIBI will run

[22:53] <VCI-Bob> You're a BIBI fan, huh Skip? :)

[22:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm still fired up from last week's "annointing" :-)

[22:53] <skip-VHL> glad election mess is over

[22:54] <skip-VHL> YES:-)

[22:54] <VCI-Bob> Great Bez! It's gratifying for me to see you get so blessed by these chats!

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[22:54] <VCI-Bob> Tell us why, Skip

[22:55] <skip-VHL> so something else can take its place on TV :->

[22:55] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[22:55] <VCI-Bob> no, I meant why a BIBI fan :)

[22:56] <skip-VHL> it was time to end the debate over PREZ

[22:56] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You can't help but feel that something has been set in motion, between the elections here and in Israel. There are some major events on the hoizon

[22:56] <Bezalel-VHL> 2horizon

[22:56] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez - I agree

[22:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 2God is so good, to let us be witness to all of this!

[22:57] <VCI-Bob> fasten your seatbelt of faith, it gets bumpy ahead :)

[22:57] <VCI-Bob> Yes, sure is! :)

[22:57] <skip-VHL> with both countries having election problems huh

[22:58] <VCI-Bob> Well, Israel elections are always funky - it's the way they do it :)

[22:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2More likely, the fact that "man" feels he can control the results.

[22:58] <skip-VHL> any body think maybe things will pickup speed Prophectically

[22:58] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez - man's arrogance knows no bounds

[22:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Like Bob said, for the last year, each week's chat has had something to discuss. We are on a fast freight to destiny.

[22:59] <skip-VHL> I am keeping my eyes OPEN

[22:59] <VCI-Bob> Skip, I was saying earlier, we've been having these chats for almost a year now, and it seems that EVERY week there is a signficant development on the world scene and Israel to discuss

[23:00] <VCI-Bob> Like I said :) LOL

[23:00] <skip-VHL> yes BOB

[23:00] <skip-VHL> and sometimes more than one

[23:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And, now, it is time for this grandpa to say good night. As always, thanks for the guidance Bob!

[23:01] <VCI-Bob> And.... in a way, this is a "basic training" class - we all have important assignments from the Lord for the future, which He is preparing us for

[23:02] <VCI-Bob> Night, Bez! Thanks for hanging in to the end! :) God bless you greatly!

[23:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And God bless you and Skip! :-)

[23:02] <skip-VHL> Kathy said hi She cant seem to get in tonight

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[23:02] <VCI-Bob> Oh dear, poor Kathy! Oh well

[23:03] <skip-VHL> she is on my IM now

[23:03] <VCI-Bob> I need to go also - tell her I said HI :)

[23:03] <VCI-Bob> Shalom to you, Skip!

[23:03] <skip-VHL> SHALOM TO YOU ALL

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