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[19:49] <VCI-Bob> Hello Fred! :)

[19:52] <fred-VHL> Hello bob!

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[19:52] <VCI-Bob> First time in Bible Prophecy chat, Fred?

[19:52] <VCI-Bob> Hey there Hope!

[19:52] <fred-VHL> yes

[19:53] <Hope-VHL> hello

[19:53] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Fred - I hope you have an enjoyable and enlightening time with us

[19:53] <VCI-Bob> How are you doing, Hope?

[19:53] <fred-VHL> I'm sure I will

[19:53] <Hope-VHL> shalom

[19:53] <VCI-Bob> Shalom! :)

[19:54] <fred-VHL> Shalom to you ,too

[19:54] <Hope-VHL> just fine BOB

[19:54] <Hope-VHL> SHALOM FRED

[19:54] <VCI-Bob> Fred, we have a very open format here - sometimes I have specific topics to discuss, but we're always open to suggestions!

[19:55] <fred-VHL> Well whatever's on your mind?

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> We're a little early, there will be a lot more coming in a few minutes. Have you followed the events in Israel the last few days?

[19:56] <Hope-VHL> Bob what does Gilo have to do with Prophesy?

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> Hope, nothing directly, though it is a part of Jerusalem, which is the center of contention

[19:57] <Hope-VHL> Those poor people I feel so sorry for them

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> Gilo has become a favorite target because of its location

[19:57] <fred-VHL> Bob, I have been following these events since Ariel Sharon visited the Temple Mount.

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I know - must be very hard to function under those conditions, not knowing when a sniper bullet will crash near you

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> Today, 2 Israelis were killed by the bomb blast in Jerusalem, minutes after Barak and Arafat were supposed to read on TV announcements of a cease fire

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> The announcements never happened

[20:00] <Hope-VHL> It is so hard for me to understand why they want to harm such a peaceful people

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[20:00] <fred-VHL> You can't trust arafat - he always goes back on his word.

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Islamic Jihad has claimed responsibility for the blast, which killed the 28 year old daughter of a National Religous Party leader

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Right, Fred - I hope they realize that soon

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Farrell!

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[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Hope - it's pure hatred

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Bez!

[20:01] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom Bob and all :) Happy to be here tonight but can't stay long - very tired :(

[20:01] <Bezalel-VHL> Good Evening All!

[20:01] <Hope-VHL> goodevening

[20:01] <fred-VHL> Great to meet you! Bez

[20:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Fred, welcome.

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Ayelet Hashahar Levy, 28, was killed in today's bomb blast. Ayelet was the daughter of National Religious Party leader Yitzhak Levy.

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> She has a 3 year old child

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[20:02] <VCI-Bob> her picture is on the jpostradio.com website

[20:02] <fred-VHL> Wiil the Murder of Ayelet have HUGE repercussions , Bob?

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Peace and Liz!

[20:03] <liz-VHL> HI BOB AND ALL

[20:03] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Well, finally I get to say Hi to Bob in person, as well as Hello to all this evening

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Fred, I would think so, I would think it should galvanize leaders to take a stronger stand

[20:03] <fred-VHL> Hi Peace and Liz

[20:03] <liz-VHL> HI PEACE

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Peace, glad you made it!

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> And you too Liz :)

[20:03] <liz-VHL> HI FRED

[20:03] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> So Bob, did you ever get my e-mail? honoring God

[20:04] <liz-VHL> glad to be here looke dforward to it all day

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> Oh, is that you Tim?

[20:04] <liz-VHL> hi bez and farell

[20:04] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> This is me

[20:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Liz.

[20:04] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi liz :)

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I did, Tim - thanks! Long time since you've popped in here! :)

[20:05] <fred-VHL> Peace, Why are you called peacetreaty?

[20:05] <liz-VHL> :)

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Here's more news of the bombing

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> IsraelWire-11/2-17:00-IST) Six persons injured in the Thursday afternoon terrorist car bomb blast in Jerusalem were transported to the Shaare Zedek Medical Center. A grandmother, Levone Hasson, and her grandchildren, were in Hasson's apartment on Shomron Street when the blast rocked the entire street shortly before 3:00pm.

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> One of Levone's grandchildren, a teenage girl named Lilat, told reporters that they went to sleep at their grandmother's home to escape the terrorist gunfire in the southern Jerusalem neighborhood of Gilo, where they live. Unfortunately, the terrorism seems to have found them here as well.

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Also....

[20:06] <liz-VHL> did you all see the pics on gamla site

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> the young woman who was killed was moving into an apartment on that street - she had packed up her things in Samaria that morning, to move to a "safer" place away from the settlements

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz - gruesome

[20:06] <fred-VHL> Yes I did Liz.

[20:06] <liz-VHL> of the lynched soldiers :( :(

[20:07] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> So, what if anything is going to come of the latest violence. peace treaty-war?

[20:07] <fred-VHL> Yu!k

[20:07] <liz-VHL> i was so upset and almost got sick

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Tim, a war, in my opinion....

[20:07] <fred-VHL> I totally agree.

[20:07] <liz-VHL> whens barak gonna stop being such a wishy washy wimp

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> but not the war of Ezekiel 38 & 39 - I was reading that again last night, and it does not fit the situation

[20:08] <fred-VHL> Yes

[20:08] <Hope-VHL> Israel doesn't have any other choice

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Liz, soon, hopefully, though he may not be PM long enough to do it

[20:08] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Is this the war that comes in front of a 7 year peace treaty or is that the one of Ezekiel?

[20:08] <liz-VHL> i hope not hes made a mockery if you ask me

[20:08] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, where do you see the U.S. standing right now? Will we stay with Israel?

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Tim, I don't know - it's hard to say exactly how it will all play out

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Farrell, when push comes to shove, I doubt it

[20:09] <farrell-VHL> 2Unfortunately, so do I

[20:09] <fred-VHL> By the way, I'm not American, I'm in the UK

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Hey, Fred, glad to have a "Brit"! :) Your perspective will be most welcome :)

[20:10] <Hope-VHL> won't God's wrath be poured out on anyone who opposes Israel?

[20:10] <farrell-VHL> 2Hey, fred, that is good to know. How is the atmosphere there toward Israel?

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Hope, the declaration of God still stands, that He will bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse Israel

[20:11] <fred-VHL> Badd!!! Britain is dodgy towards Israel and always has been.

[20:11] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> will Isreal and Pal agree to a mutal peace treaty like i've read on the news?

[20:11] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> anyone think one way or the other.

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Fred, doesn't the UK have a substantial Muslim population that has become more strident?

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> PT2, I don't think any cease fire agreement they come to will stick

[20:12] <fred-VHL> Yes It always has been strident we have two major groups Al Mahirjiroun, and

[20:12] <fred-VHL> Hizbitahrir

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> I was in a Yahoo chat room this week, with a Palestinian Muslim from Canada, who told me "All Jews should be shot in the head"

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[20:13] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Called!

[20:14] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> some believe that some of the trumpets have blown, does anyone here believe that, if so why,? and where are we in the bible as it relates to the current events?

[20:14] <farrell-VHL> 2what a good question ! What do you think Bob?

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> PT2, if you are speaking of the trumpets in the book of Revelation, no, I don't think so... none of the seven seals have been opened yet, in my opinion

[20:15] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> ok, second part of question- what do you think?

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> But - I do think we are seeing Bible prophecy fulfilled before our eyes - the beginning of the restoration process

[20:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I agree, Bob. We haven't seen any of the persecution that will occur in the Seals.

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> for Israel

[20:15] <fred-VHL> We have , I believe a bit of time to elapse....

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Right, Bez - the first seal is what, the AC going forth to conquer, right?

[20:15] <called_out-VHL> Hi Bob and dear friends :)

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Hi Called :)

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[20:16] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> fred- a bit of time? like months , years, your best guess of course

[20:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, War, Pestilence, Famine, and Death?

[20:16] <fred-VHL> Hello Called

[20:16] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi called :)

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Jewdy!

[20:16] <called_out-VHL> :)

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Bez

[20:16] <Jewdy-VHL> Hello all

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[20:16] <fred-VHL> Hi

[20:16] <liz-VHL> hey bob you ever read about preterism...thats a joke!!!!

[20:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And then the real persecution of Israel and the Church begins.

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> To start tonight, I'd like to go to Deut 4

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz, preterism is a horrid distortion of Biblical interpretation

[20:17] <Hope-VHL> they were just talking about ships that are carrying alot of bacteria and dieases that enter our waters and could soon have a serious problem on our hands

[20:17] <fred-VHL> Hi Jael

[20:17] <jael-VHL> hi fred

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Jael! Love the name :)

[20:17] <jael-VHL> thanks!!:->

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Jael, you want to share with us the Biblical significance of that name?

[20:18] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> ok, go ahead bob

[20:18] <jael-VHL> sure, it's found in judges 4

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Jael's name has prophetic implications, which I will explain in a minute...

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> tell us, Jael

[20:18] <jael-VHL> cool

[20:19] <fred-VHL> Didn't Jael slay Sisera he was when aleep?

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> right, Fred

[20:19] <farrell-VHL> 2Brave lady!!

[20:19] <jael-VHL> well, deborah and barak were chasing sisera,(a really bad guy) and he wondered into jael's camp

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> So the LORD sold them into the hands of Jabin, a king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor. The commander of his army was Sisera, who lived in Harosheth Haggoyim. (Judges 4:2 NIV)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Because he had nine hundred iron chariots and had cruelly oppressed the Israelites for twenty years, they cried to the LORD for help. (Judges 4:3 NIV)

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Sweet, innocent looking Jael :)

[20:20] <liz-VHL> hmmmmmmm

[20:20] <jael-VHL> exactly

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> but... Jael was zealous for the Lord God of Israel, right?

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> not quite the sweet lil thing that she looked :)

[20:20] <jael-VHL> anyway , she made him drowsy and pummeled his head with a hammer and tent spike!!

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> ouch!

[20:21] <Hope-VHL> yuk

[20:21] <fred-VHL> A bit like Holofernes

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> But Jael, Heber's wife, picked up a tent peg and a hammer and went quietly to him while he lay fast asleep, exhausted. She drove the peg through his temple into the ground, and he died. (Judges 4:21 NIV)

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Barak came by in pursuit of Sisera, and Jael went out to meet him. "Come," she said, "I will show you the man you're looking for." So he went in with her, and there lay Sisera with the tent peg through his temple--dead. (Judges 4:22 NIV)

[20:21] <jael-VHL> it's how i feel about the enemies of Israel and of the church

[20:21] <liz-VHL> ohhhhhh

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> OK - here's the prophetic significance - very relevant to today

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Found in - Psalm 83

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Psalm 83 speaks of an alliance of nations against Israel

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> who say this:

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> With cunning they conspire against your people; they plot against those you cherish. (Psalms 83:3 NIV)

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> "Come," they say, "let us destroy them as a nation, that the name of Israel be remembered no more." (Psalms 83:4 NIV)

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you-- (Psalms 83:5 NIV)

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> sound like today, huh?

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> well.....

[20:23] <Jewdy-VHL> Sounds like something Arafat has said

[20:23] <farrell-VHL> 2sounds like UN today

[20:23] <liz-VHL> yes wow

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> After listing the participants, the Psalmist prays this:

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Do to them as you did to Midian, as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon, (Psalms 83:9 NIV)

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> who perished at Endor and became like refuse on the ground. (Psalms 83:10 NIV)

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> A prayer, which, by the way, will be answered

[20:23] <jael-VHL> amen

[20:24] <farrell-VHL> 2God is faithful!

[20:24] <Jewdy-VHL> amen on that

[20:24] <jael-VHL> YES HE IS!!

[20:24] <jael-VHL> always

[20:24] <jael-VHL> without a doubt

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Look in verse 5 - who are they forming alliance against? Israel? No.... GOD

[20:24] <Jewdy-VHL> Bob, read the last verse of that chapter

[20:24] <Hope-VHL> Halleuia

[20:24] <fred-VHL> The Jews have a story called judith and holofernes: very similar.

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Cover their faces with shame so that men will seek your name, O LORD. (Psalms 83:16 NIV)

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> May they ever be ashamed and dismayed; may they perish in disgrace. (Psalms 83:17 NIV)

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Let them know that you, whose name is the LORD-- that you alone are the Most High over all the earth. (Psalms 83:18 NIV)

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Jewdy, that's what it's all about

[20:25] <jael-VHL> how futile to rage against Hashem

[20:25] <farrell-VHL> 2Yes LORD !

[20:25] <jael-VHL> Almighty

[20:25] <fred-VHL> Glory!

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> that MEN will know that God is God - HE alone is Most High over the earth!

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Hallelujah!!

[20:25] <Jewdy-VHL> Amen and amen

[20:25] <jael-VHL> boy, are they gonna be upset when they find out who He really is!!!

[20:26] <liz-VHL> bob you were talking about the bombing when i cam in and someone aask about the ramifications because of the Levy woman dying

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Thanks, Jael, for the name :)

[20:26] <jael-VHL> :-)

[20:26] <Hope-VHL> PRAISE THE LORD!!

[20:26] <Jewdy-VHL> Yeah, thanks Jael

[20:26] <liz-VHL> whats your thoughts

[20:26] <jael-VHL> sure!!

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Yes, we did, Liz.....Ayelet Hashahar Levy, 28, killed in today's bomb, was the daughter of National Religious Party leader Yitzhak Levy....

[20:26] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> personaly I thought that the things in the bible would be much more pronounced in our world today as they happen, it seems kind of uncleare to me anyway.

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> This has to hit the political leaders personally

[20:27] <jael-VHL> by the way, in may, i'm due to have my 5th baby, if it's a girl, that's her name!!

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> Terrific, Jael!! :)

[20:27] <farrell-VHL> 2Wonderful Jael :)

[20:27] <jael-VHL> :-)

[20:27] <fred-VHL> Uoy say things are not too pronounced

[20:27] <called_out-VHL> How wonderful Jael, beautiful

[20:27] <Jewdy-VHL> Great:-)Jael

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[20:27] <jael-VHL> actually it's Eliyah Jael

[20:27] <Hope-VHL> CONGRADULATIONS JAEL

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> PT2, it's like a big jigsaw puzzle with many pieces - the more pieces that come together, the more we see

[20:28] <jael-VHL> wow thanks guys!!

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, NewHarv!

[20:28] <fred-VHL> Well, when Saddam Hussein Mobilises against the Land with Syria and Jordan

[20:28] <NewHarv-VHL> Thanks Bob - I forgot about the chat last week!

[20:28] <fred-VHL> It'll be all clear!!!

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Glad you made it this time, NewHarv!

[20:29] <jael-VHL> oh boy, prayer & fasting for sure!!

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[20:29] <VCI-Bob> I'd like to go back to Deut 4 and look at some background

[20:29] <farrell-VHL> 2Has there been any recent movement of Saddam?

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Awarrior!

[20:29] <fred-VHL> Congratulation Jael - about your child

[20:29] <liz-VHL> okay bob

[20:30] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> I mean to say that as the bible relates to todays events, it seems unclear as to what exactly is happening as it relates to Exact bible prophecy

[20:30] <jael-VHL> thanks fred, we're blessed

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Farrell, Iraq has backed away from the Jordanian border - it was all show anyway, for now

[20:30] <awarrior-VHL> good evening, how are you?

[20:30] <fred-VHL> Yes Saddam has collected tanks at Jordan's border but then moved them back.

[20:30] <jael-VHL> how & when do we expect the 3rd temple to be built?

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> In Deut 4, Moses gave warnings to Israel about their future

[20:31] <farrell-VHL> 2thanks fred:)

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> and then hints of their future restoration

[20:31] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> what is this about the country from the north will attack Israel in the bible, who is this and why?

[20:31] <fred-VHL> When it became clear that his allies weren't attacking just yet.

[20:31] <Hope-VHL> they say it's highly unlikely that Jordon will allow them to cross Jordon land

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> OK, let's defer Deut 4 for a few minutes :)

[20:32] <liz-VHL> i am listening

[20:32] <jael-VHL> me too

[20:32] <fred-VHL> Jael the Third temple willm be built when Saddam and his friends are dead and Israel

[20:32] <called_out-VHL> listening Bob

[20:32] <farrell-VHL> 2me too

[20:32] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Isen't Jordan an alie of U.S.? and is Jorden against Israel too? what's to come of this?

[20:32] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> listening and asking questions as always,bob:->

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> well, I want to handle the questions too.... anyone else have insight into the third temple question for Jael?

[20:33] <jael-VHL> ;-)

[20:33] <fred-VHL> Israel has occupies the entire land up to the Euphrates.

[20:33] <Bezalel-VHL> 2My toolkit is by the door. :-)

[20:33] <liz-VHL> nope i was looking at a mmodel today of it and wow

[20:33] <jael-VHL> good answer bez!

[20:33] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> brb

[20:33] <farrell-VHL> 2Wish we could be on the way Bez:)

[20:33] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> kids, are up to something

[20:34] <jael-VHL> uh oh

[20:34] <liz-VHL> mine do that to

[20:34] <liz-VHL> act up when i come in here

[20:34] <jael-VHL> mine 2

[20:34] <NewHarv-VHL> How do you all feel about the third temple? I know it must be built to fulfill prophecy...

[20:34] <liz-VHL> baby being good though

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Jael, one citation, to my understanding that the third temple will be built before certain events is that 2 Thess 2 speaks of the future day when the "man of sin" will declare himself to be God there

[20:34] <jael-VHL> mine 2, thank you Jesus

[20:35] <fred-VHL> Yes Temple will be built but not until Israel is secure.

[20:35] <Hope-VHL> my granddaughter just gave me a lick of her wild cherry sucker

[20:35] <NewHarv-VHL> ...but, will it not also be an affront to the sacrifice made by our Lord Jesus?

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> What other Scriptures, other than those that speak of the reign of Jesus there, tell us the third temple will be built soon?

[20:35] <liz-VHL> hmmmmmm bob you dont see that

[20:35] <fred-VHL> Good question, New harv..

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> Good question Newharv..... I know some feel that way.... however... I don't get that sense, myself

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> because, for example, in the latter chapters of Ezekiel, the Lord describes the sacrifices....

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[20:36] <NewHarv-VHL> Even though they will be offering sin offerings due to unbeliefin the sacrifice of Christ for our sins?

[20:36] <Jewdy-VHL> Some of the Jews are already offering sacrifices only not at the Temple

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> which, though they will not be for sin, may be looking back at the sacrifice of Jesus in the same way the sacrifices prescribed in the Torah looked forward?

[20:36] <fred-VHL> What's important is that Israel occupies the whole of the Middle East.

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> That's true, Newharv...

[20:37] <Hope-VHL> I thought we won't be sacrificing anymore for Christ is the sacrificial LAMB

[20:37] <NewHarv-VHL> So you feel that the reference to the regular sacrifice be abolished is not referring to , say, passover sin offerings?

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> but in Daniel, for example, it speaks of the resumption of the sacrifices, without a hint of censure

[20:37] <liz-VHL> hi milly

[20:38] <milly-VHL> good evening, everyone

[20:38] <fred-VHL> That's for believers, the Jews won't know better

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> I don't know, Newharv :)

[20:38] <NewHarv-VHL> reference in Daniel 8:13

[20:38] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, is the temple that the man of sin desescrates the same temple that will be in the millennium?

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> Farrell, I don't think so

[20:39] <farrell-VHL> 2so what happens then to the third temple afterward?

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> that's just my opinion, of course, but remember, when Jesus returns, great physical upheavals occur

[20:39] <liz-VHL> wow what a day that will be

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> massive earthquakes, etc

[20:39] <liz-VHL> cant even imagine

[20:39] <farrell-VHL> 2that's right. and then the temple Ezek. describes will be built ?

[20:39] <NewHarv-VHL> So, we are perhaps looking for TWO temples - one to be built now, by the Jewish people and another to be built by Christ himself in the millenium?

[20:39] <fred-VHL> Yes!!! Bob

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[20:40] <VCI-Bob> That's what I'm thinking, Newharv, though we may not have enough info to be sure about that

[20:40] <liz-VHL> brb

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[20:40] <VCI-Bob> The one described in Ezekiel 40 and following is almost certainly that "fourth" in that scenario

[20:41] <NewHarv-VHL> So - again - I pose my question: Any temple being built now in Israel for the purpose of daily sacrifice - can we really say "amen" to that?

[20:41] <Hope-VHL> I agree because the Temple that will be built now will be defiled

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> newharv, I don't know, for sure, but it will be the Temple of Yahweh, certainly

[20:41] <Jewdy-VHL> Well it will be prophecy being fulfilled NewHarv

[20:42] <NewHarv-VHL> I realize the moment will come when "all Israel shall be saved", but until that time, their sacrifices are in unbelief

[20:42] <fred-VHL> Yes I agree so far.

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> "See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty. (Malachi 3:1 NIV)

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> the Lord will come to "His" temple

[20:42] <NewHarv-VHL> I know it will be in accordance with what God has proclaimed shall be - but will He be pleased with such sacrifices? Are they not "trampling underfoot the blood of the Son of God?"

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderer's soap. (Malachi 3:2 NIV)

[20:43] <Jewdy-VHL> Yeah, my pen pal in Israel is looking for someone to build their temple. She said he would be their Messiah.

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the LORD will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness, (Malachi 3:3 NIV)

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> and the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will be acceptable to the LORD, as in days gone by, as in former years. (Malachi 3:4 NIV)

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[20:43] <NewHarv-VHL> Was not the first part of Malachi 3 for His first coming?

[20:43] <fred-VHL> Wow that means the sacrifices will be effectual?!

[20:43] <farrell-VHL> 2Even though the present day Jews do not believe in Jesus as their Messiah, they still believe that their sacrifices would be looking forward to their Messiah. Isn't that right?

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> For both the first and the second coming, but v 2 and following are certainly about the second

[20:44] <Jewdy-VHL> That's right farrell

[20:45] <NewHarv-VHL> Yes, v. 2 definitely second - but you see my point? The temple in v.1 could be referring to Herod's temple

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Look at this:

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it could...

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Tell him this is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Here is the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of the LORD. (Zechariah 6:12 NIV)

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> It is he who will build the temple of the LORD, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be a priest on his throne. And there will be harmony between the two.' (Zechariah 6:13 NIV)

[20:46] <NewHarv-VHL> Yes, yes - this is what I believe - that Jesus himself will build HIS temple

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[20:46] <NewHarv-VHL> perhaps with our help, praise God

[20:46] <farrell-VHL> 2too tired to go on tonight :( will read what you have to say about Deut. 4 tomorrow. God bless all of you!!

[20:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night, Farrell. God Bless you.

[20:47] <milly-VHL> gooffd nite, farrell

[20:47] <NewHarv-VHL> So any effort to build a temple now - while a fulfillment of prophecy, will not necessarily be acceptable to God. Yes or no?

[20:47] <fred-VHL> NewHarv, Jesus wont build the Third Temple Scripture is clear on that if you include revelation...

[20:47] <milly-VHL> ggod, that is

[20:47] <Hope-VHL> Goodnight Farrell

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Night, Farrell

[20:47] <milly-VHL> good, I mean...i'm tiredtoo

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[20:47] <VCI-Bob> I don't necessarily agree, though I could be wrong :)

[20:47] <fred-VHL> goognight farrell

[20:48] <liz-VHL> im back

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Look at this verse, about the antichrist:

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. (2 Thessalonians 2:4 NASB)

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Paul calls it the "temple of God"

[20:48] <fred-VHL> What time is it in America are you West or East Coast?

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> it's 8:48 PM here on the east coast

[20:48] <liz-VHL> it is 844

[20:49] <NewHarv-VHL> Yes, I've considered that verse in Thess. 2 Bob.

[20:49] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> has anyone seen the new movie out on video? the one that is supposed to come out in theaters in Feb?

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[20:49] <liz-VHL> oh bob your 4 minutes ahead hahahaha

[20:49] <fred-VHL> Thanks it's !:44 AM in UK

[20:49] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> almost 6pm in Ca.

[20:49] <Jewdy-VHL> Nearly 8 in Texas

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> Today, I was looking at that verse, because some said the greek word "temple" didn't mean temple.... but... it is in fact the same word used many other places to describe Temple in which Jesus walked

[20:50] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> The movie is the left behind series

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[20:50] <VCI-Bob> yeah, Liz :)

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Kathy!

[20:50] <Kathy-VHL> thanks Bob

[20:50] <milly-VHL> hi, kathy

[20:50] <Kathy-VHL> Hi to everyone

[20:50] <NewHarv-VHL> Yes, I have heard that it is the word that is sometime used to mean the "temple" of our body, correct?

[20:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Left Behind tape is already on sale Peace.

[20:50] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Hi to everyone

[20:51] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Bez, yes have you seen it?

[20:51] <Jewdy-VHL> What about the antichrist, Bob?

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> It's used for that, Newharv, but is also the word used commonly for the physical temple

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> which is the plan sense of 2 Thess 2

[20:51] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> what did you think of it as it relates to modern day situation?

[20:51] <NewHarv-VHL> But - I honestly don't see how the man of sin could stand in mine or anyone elses body

[20:51] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, we got it from the John Hagee site.

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> What about him, Jewdy?

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> right, Newharv - that does not make any sense

[20:51] <Jewdy-VHL> I was just wondering your opinion on him.

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> He's a very bad man :)

[20:52] <liz-VHL> lol

[20:52] <Jewdy-VHL> :-)

[20:52] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> I've heard Jewdy that he is supposed to come from the revived roman empire,

[20:52] <milly-VHL> silly, bob

[20:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Pretty judgemental of you Bob :-)

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> LOL Bez

[20:52] <Jewdy-VHL> I've also heard he might come from Syria

[20:52] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> what would indicate the revived roman empire, bob?

[20:53] <Kathy-VHL> We can all hear a lot of things but it is what God knows that counts

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> I don't think so, Jewdy

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> right, Kathy :)

[20:53] <NewHarv-VHL> Antichrist must come from some portion of the empire conquered by Alexander the Great, according to Dan. 8, Jewdy

[20:53] <Jewdy-VHL> I think they were looking at Micah 5

[20:53] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Kathy, yes...but how do we find out what God knows that's the key and when and where

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> because he is called "the Assyrian" there?

[20:53] <Kathy-VHL> we search the scriptures

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Syria and Assyria are not the same

[20:54] <Jewdy-VHL> Yeah and this man shall be the peace

[20:54] <Kathy-VHL> some things I dont think He wants us to know untill the time is at hand

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> He's called a lot of things, symbolically - the king of Babylon, for instance

[20:54] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Kathy, as many as pointed out the scriptures are sometimes vuege(sp?)

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> but that does not mean he is from Babylon

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> he's also called the King of Tyre

[20:54] <fred-VHL> I've been looking into this matter of AC and I believe he is from Central Europe

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> but it doesn't mean he is from Tyre

[20:55] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Where the heck is he and have we seen him on the news?

[20:55] <Jewdy-VHL> He's supposed to come from a small country isn't he?

[20:55] <Hope-VHL> will we still be here when he appears?

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> PT2, he will not be "revealed" until Satan is cast down from heaven

[20:56] <fred-VHL> You might have There a tiny country called Lietchtenstein.

[20:56] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> when are these great miricles supposed to happen?

[20:56] <liz-VHL> where do you think hes comin from bob country

[20:56] <Jewdy-VHL> What, fred?

[20:56] <Kathy-VHL> some things God will reveal more clearly when the time is at hand

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Hope, pre-trib and mid-trib say no

[20:56] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> whats takin God so long to kick him out from there?

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Liz, I don't know

[20:56] <fred-VHL> Lietchtenstein. Anyone heard of it?

[20:56] <liz-VHL> hmmmmmmm

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> PT2, read Rev 12 and you'll see :)

[20:56] <Jewdy-VHL> Nope

[20:57] <liz-VHL> bob did you see my 7 year question you may have to scroll up

[20:57] <milly-VHL> heardo f it but what about it?

[20:57] <Hope-VHL> I sure hope we aren't

[20:57] <fred-VHL> tiny but powerful

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Can't find it Liz - please repeat :)

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> There is no shortage of speculation about who he is

[20:58] <liz-VHL> okay why is 7 years not mentioned in REv just incriments of 3.5

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Hope - are you "Elana" hope? or another?

[20:58] <NewHarv-VHL> Hope,if we are, it is because God has chosen us to be the generation that will see these things and He will give us the grace to face it

[20:58] <liz-VHL> and they add up to 10 1/2

[20:58] <Hope-VHL> no I'M Donna

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Liz, because, I think, the last 3 1/2 years are the most significant - little is said of the first 3 1/2, relatively

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> ok, Hope :)

[20:58] <liz-VHL> oh ok

[20:59] <milly-VHL> another temple question-whee is the temple that saddam hussein rebuilt?

[20:59] <Kathy-VHL> Bob what is the word on Seria

[20:59] <NewHarv-VHL> It is those last 3.5 years that are literally the "tribulation" period, correct Bob?

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> The only place, and correct me if I'm wrong, where it speaks of the seven years in total is the seventy weeks prophecy in Daniel 9

[20:59] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Will the form of U.S. gov't change as we know it in this country, when the "one world"gov't steps in? Hard to believe things will change that drasticly- One world monitary system too, when does this all take place in relationship to the AC and Israel and all of it?

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> right, Newharv

[21:00] <NewHarv-VHL> That's right, Bob - no other place mentions 7 years

[21:00] <fred-VHL> Milly Saddam hasn't built temples but palaces galore!

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Kathy, not much new with Syria, though today the Lebanese govt refused to send their troops all the way to the border

[21:00] <liz-VHL> have you ever read that in a different light bob

[21:00] <milly-VHL> hmmm thought I heard some important temple

[21:00] <liz-VHL> i have read some interesting stuff on that scripture but i dont know

[21:01] <Jewdy-VHL> Bob, how do you look for Russia to be drawn into all of this?

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> What's that, Liz?

[21:01] <Hope-VHL> I think the one world order is on it's way being ushered in as we speak

[21:01] <Jewdy-VHL> I think so too Hope

[21:01] <liz-VHL> it actuallyt referring to jesus....

[21:01] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Hope,. how so, explain

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Jewdy, I do think Russia is the main player in the future Eze 38 & 39 scenario

[21:01] <Kathy-VHL> me too Hope

[21:02] <Jewdy-VHL> Are they just sitting on the sidelines waiting to rush in?

[21:02] <milly-VHL> I'm signing off-too tired to read or type ..have a good nite. talk to you next week

[21:02] <liz-VHL> to me that is one of the most cconfusing scriptures

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[21:02] <fred-VHL> Yes Russia but Turkey could be a player. Russia is weak right now.

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> PT2 - if, in the first seals that are opened in Rev, famine and major economic dysfunction are the result.... then the world will desparately look for solutions

[21:02] <NewHarv-VHL> Peace - globalization of economies has already taken place, this is a major factor in prophecy

[21:02] <Hope-VHL> I 've seen so much with the un and the statements that they make to make me believe this

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> What, Liz?

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> which one?

[21:03] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> right now we have an american and russian up in space together, doesen't sound like there is much problems with the relationships now

[21:03] <liz-VHL> daaniel 9:27

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> Well, lets take a look at it

[21:03] <Jewdy-VHL> And most people don't know how much Clinton has signed away our soverignty by the executive orders

[21:03] <liz-VHL> yes please

[21:03] <NewHarv-VHL> I have wondered about the seals - if perhaps they are already happening - have been for 2000 years.

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> we will back up and start at v 24

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy place. (Daniel 9:24 NASB)

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> OK - so what do we see first?

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> The seventy weeks are in reference to.... the Jews, and Jerusalem...

[21:04] <Kathy-VHL> that seventy weeks are set aside for the Jews

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> and they deal with a broad expanse of time

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> some already done, most not, right?

[21:05] <liz-VHL> okay

[21:05] <liz-VHL> right

[21:05] <Kathy-VHL> right

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. (Daniel 9:25 NASB)

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> This is very specific, and sets the timetable for the first appearance of the Messiah

[21:06] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> WHAT IS THE PLAZA AND MOAT?

[21:06] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> oops, sorry about the caps

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> NIV says this: It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> I don't know, PT2 - anyone know?

[21:07] <liz-VHL> nope

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. (Daniel 9:26 NASB)

[21:07] <Kathy-VHL> Bob isnt a moat a ditch with water

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> This speaks of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> Interesting, that

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> "the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary

[21:08] <liz-VHL> romans

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> ties in the 4th empire (Rome) with the future coming empire of the AC

[21:08] <Jewdy-VHL> I haven't thought about that Bob

[21:08] <liz-VHL> hmmmmm popedude

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> the AC is "the prince who is to come"

[21:09] <Hope-VHL> yes

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." (Daniel 9:27 NASB)

[21:09] <liz-VHL> agreed

[21:09] <fred-VHL> Yes the European Union where my prime minister has already signed away ALL rights.

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> this is what many suppose is the "seven year peace treaty with Israel" - but it does not say that, exactly

[21:10] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> So does everyone think, the pope is the AC who comes from the revived roamsn empire?

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> it will be a seven year treaty or alliance, the 70th week

[21:10] <Hope-VHL> no not the pope

[21:10] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> we have not heard much of the pope these days

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> And... what heppens in the middle of the week?

[21:10] <Kathy-VHL> nobody knows who the AC is

[21:10] <Jewdy-VHL> I don't think the pope is the AC , maybe the false prophet

[21:10] <fred-VHL> The Pope is, I feel, the False Prophet.

[21:11] <liz-VHL> well i have always though false prophet but that is pretty specific

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease; and in their place shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator."

[21:11] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Bob, ok now in english;-)

[21:12] <fred-VHL> Don't forget friends I live in the European Union.

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> So..... up until that point, when the AC declares himself as God in the temple, sacrifices and offerings are happening

[21:12] <Jewdy-VHL> He actually does an about face in the middle of the week, right Bob

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> but he puts a stop to that

[21:12] <Kathy-VHL> where are you fred

[21:12] <fred-VHL> UK

[21:12] <Jewdy-VHL> Oh yeah fred, I am surprised at Tony Blair giving in

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> "even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

[21:13] <fred-VHL> Totally Jewdy

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[21:13] <Catalina-VHL> Shalom all

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Which is what much of the prophecies in the Bible speak of - the wrath of God poured out on the world in response to the wholesale rebellion of it's people against God

[21:13] <liz-VHL> hi catalina

[21:13] <Jewdy-VHL> Hello Catalina

[21:13] <fred-VHL> Shalom Catalina

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Hello, Catalina!

[21:13] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> hi Cat

[21:13] <Hope-VHL> hello

[21:13] <Catalina-VHL> I hear that you are having a good conversation

[21:13] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Catalina

[21:13] <NewHarv-VHL> Bob - do you think it is at this point that the "woman" of Rev. 12, being believing Israel, shall flee into the desert?

[21:14] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Ok well, when does God get really PO'd and do somthing? to cut to the quick

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Newharv, I think that's what it indicates

[21:14] <Catalina-VHL> What is the status of the cease fire now?

[21:15] <liz-VHL> well who knows sis i read that barak is not doing it

[21:15] <liz-VHL> on jpost

[21:15] <Kathy-VHL> Everything is in Gods Time he does not tell us exatly when peaceT2

[21:15] <fred-VHL> No0 cease Fire!!!!!!!!!1

[21:15] <Jewdy-VHL> I think Israel has cut back a little on their tanks, but not the other side.

[21:15] <Catalina-VHL> I heard the announcement that there would be none, just wondering

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> here's one answer to that

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> The LORD will march out like a mighty man, like a warrior he will stir up his zeal; with a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies. (Isaiah 42:13 NIV)

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> "For a long time I have kept silent, I have been quiet and held myself back. But now, like a woman in childbirth, I cry out, I gasp and pant. (Isaiah 42:14 NIV)

[21:15] <Hope-VHL> isn't it amazing the patience of God thank you God for your patience

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> and another answer:

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> 'In those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, (Joel 3:1 NIV)

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land. (Joel 3:2 NIV)

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> and another:

[21:16] <NewHarv-VHL> Do you think Jerusalem will be destroyed in the abomination of desolation?

[21:16] <liz-VHL> ooh i am glad i am on his sideee

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> Come near, you nations, and listen; pay attention, you peoples! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, the world, and all that comes out of it! (Isaiah 34:1 NIV)

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> The LORD is angry with all nations; his wrath is upon all their armies. He will totally destroy them, he will give them over to slaughter. (Isaiah 34:2 NIV)

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> Their slain will be thrown out, their dead bodies will send up a stench; the mountains will be soaked with their blood. (Isaiah 34:3 NIV)

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree. (Isaiah 34:4 NIV)

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> My sword has drunk its fill in the heavens; see, it descends in judgment on Edom, the people I have totally destroyed. (Isaiah 34:5 NIV)

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> The sword of the LORD is bathed in blood, it is covered with fat-- the blood of lambs and goats, fat from the kidneys of rams. For the LORD has a sacrifice in Bozrah and a great slaughter in Edom. (Isaiah 34:6 NIV)

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> And the wild oxen will fall with them, the bull calves and the great bulls. Their land will be drenched with blood, and the dust will be soaked with fat. (Isaiah 34:7 NIV)

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> For the LORD has a day of vengeance, a year of retribution, to uphold Zion's cause. (Isaiah 34:8 NIV)

[21:17] <Jewdy-VHL> We'll have a New Jerusalem coming down from heaven,NewHarv

[21:17] <NewHarv-VHL> Oh - AMEN to that Jewdy!

[21:17] <Kathy-VHL> You know Bob it would be difficult for me to want to join the US military knowing what God is going to do

[21:17] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> God is very visual with his speach, interesting

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> Notice that both Joel and Isaiah say that one reason God' takes action is in retribution to the way that the nations have treated Israel

[21:17] <NewHarv-VHL> But, the abomination that "makes desolate", will it make Jerusalem desolate, at least until the Lord restores it?

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> I don't know, NewHarv

[21:18] <Jewdy-VHL> That's true Bob. It worries me we don't stand behind her more than we do.

[21:19] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> well, I personaly think all hell is going to break looe next year about mid summer.

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Kathy

[21:19] <Jewdy-VHL> Why then PT2?

[21:20] <NewHarv-VHL> Israel is the key

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> Yes, indeed

[21:20] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> has to do with 2001 being the millinium, and according to the bible, seems about time when things really get set in motion, I can't see how things will continue on like they've been.> You?

[21:20] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> do you agreewith me , Bob?

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Well, I don't like to set dates at all

[21:21] <Jewdy-VHL> Israel is really restraining herself, but if she ever retaliates really big, I think it will start it all.

[21:21] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> me either that's why I stayed away from specifics, just a generalized idea, next year

[21:21] <Kathy-VHL> I agree that there is going to be great change but I dont know when it will be

[21:21] <NewHarv-VHL> Is this like the belief in the "6 day" theory, Peace? 6 days being 6000 years and then rest on the "seventh"?

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> But... I believe, and I have heard others state it, that we have entered a new phase of history starting this Rosh Hoshanah, when the current outbreak started

[21:21] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> New ..yes that's it

[21:22] <fred-VHL> I agree Bob

[21:22] <NewHarv-VHL> Well, you're in good company, many of the earliest church fathers believed this as well

[21:22] <Hope-VHL> It is beyond me how people are so eager to believe in pysics and yet they have true prophesy unfolding before their very eyes and pretend to be deaf and blind!!!

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> and... I sense that the occult forces are accelerating rapidly now, and coming more into the open than ever before

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Hope

[21:23] <Jewdy-VHL> Bob, do you think the feasts are rehearsals?

[21:23] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> If we as Christians, keep saying to others, it's coming and every year nothing happens, then no one ever believes us or the bible...

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Jewdy, I do think they have prophetic significance, yes

[21:23] <fred-VHL> The stuff that started this Rosh Ha shanah was not without warning.

[21:24] <NewHarv-VHL> Right, Peace, BUT, we can tell them what the scriptures DO say and let the Holy Spirit do His work

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> I'll be back in a few minutes - please carry one... my wife just got home :)

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> carry on, that is

[21:24] <NewHarv-VHL> May I share a scripture that really touched my heart along those lines today?

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Go for it :)

[21:24] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> well, I pray that to happen, but people are people, and I can't see allot of difference in attitudes, they have just gotten worse it seems

[21:25] <Hope-VHL> Give Her a Good Greeting

[21:25] <NewHarv-VHL> "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives whomever I send, receives Me, and he who receives Me. receives Him so sent Me."

[21:26] <Jewdy-VHL> Go ahead Newharv

[21:26] <NewHarv-VHL> You see - if we share what we know FOR SURE the scriptures say, like the prohpecy in Isaiah 17 about the destruction of Damascus

[21:27] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> New, sounds nice but sounds like a riddle a little:->

[21:27] <NewHarv-VHL> ...and then it does come to pass in our life- the folks we shared it with will remember what we said and glory will go to God

[21:27] <Jewdy-VHL> Yeah, I'm just waiting for Israel to do that to Damascus. They say that Syria is really a worry to them

[21:27] <NewHarv-VHL> But, Peace, it is not a riddle. God did not mean for these prophecies to be a riddle to us. The prophecy concerning Damascus is very, very clear.

[21:27] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Jewdy, does Syria have nukes?

[21:28] <Jewdy-VHL> Yeah I think they do. Just about every country does nowdays.

[21:28] <NewHarv-VHL> And, it only takes a little homework to discover that Damascus is one of the oldest inhabited cities, never having been destroyed

[21:28] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> oh- I believ New... just sounds like a riddle in the sense of a riddle

[21:28] <Jewdy-VHL> They have smuggled in everything and hid them in tunnels they have dug.

[21:28] <NewHarv-VHL> Let's not forget, we know for sure Syria has biological weapons

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[21:29] <fred-VHL> I'm sorry Jewdy but Syria has no nukes, but has chemicals.

[21:29] <Jewdy-VHL> Sorry I stand corrected

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[21:29] <fred-VHL> But Israel will be by then beyond "restraint".

[21:30] <NewHarv-VHL> So, we should not share much of the speculation that runs rampant in some purveyors of prophecy today, but we ought to share what we know to be true

[21:30] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> who is going to throw the first punch? and what kind of a punch? And will U.S. get invovled ..I think they will we can't keep out of anything major or minor it seems.

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> I'm back

[21:30] <NewHarv-VHL> And the Lord, alone, will be glorified when these prophecies come to pass

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Bob, Bez Cat Hope, Jewdy and all

[21:30] <Catalina-VHL> hello

[21:31] <Jewdy-VHL> Greetings Rich!

[21:31] <NewHarv-VHL> Hi Rich!

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Syria does not have nuclear capabilities, but they do reportedly have chemical and biological weapons

[21:31] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> I'm in the all colume

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Rich!

[21:31] <Hope-VHL> hello Rich

[21:31] <Rich-VHL> 7hi newharv

[21:31] <Jewdy-VHL> Of course the US will try to get involved. Have you ever seen them not?

[21:31] <fred-VHL> Hello Rich

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[21:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Rich

[21:31] <Rich-VHL> 7looks like Beverly didn't make it

[21:31] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> Like I said, I agree Jewdy

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Newharv, I agree - we need to "publish" these prophecies so that when they happen, people will remember that the Lord foretold it

[21:32] <Jewdy-VHL> Well, Bob, those could still do some damage couldn't they?

[21:32] <NewHarv-VHL> The likely scenario is that Syria will try to lauch chemical weapons against Jerusalem

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Certainly, Jewdy

[21:32] <Hope-VHL> where is Barbara tonight?

[21:32] <NewHarv-VHL> Absolutely, Bob! Let Him be Praised!!

[21:32] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> New, why would they do that, when they are alies of the U.S.?

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> I don't think she has been here yet, Hope

[21:32] <Karen-VHL> Shalom everyone...sorry I am so late...just got out of work....

[21:32] <fred-VHL> Saddam will also get involved...it will be a very involved war.

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Hi Karen!

[21:33] <NewHarv-VHL> I don't believe Syria is our allie

[21:33] <Hope-VHL> hello Karen Shalom

[21:33] <Jewdy-VHL> Hello Karen

[21:33] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Karen

[21:33] <NewHarv-VHL> And, Syria hates Israel with an everlasting hatred

[21:33] <Karen-VHL> Bob....last I heard before leaving for work, a bomb had gone off in Jerusalem....and there was supposed to be some kind of cease fire...what's going on now?

[21:33] <Jewdy-VHL> No NewHav

[21:33] <Karen-VHL> Shalom everyone....

[21:33] <fred-VHL> syria is on the terrorist list?

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Yes, 2 killed in a terrorist bomb attack, Karen

[21:33] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Karen

[21:34] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> you may not New... but that's what is reported on the news and I've seen the king of Syria shakin' hands with Clinton and agreeing on somthing within the last ffew days

[21:34] <Rich-VHL> 7how close was it to Stan Bob

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> and the cease fire never quite made it, though some actions were taken to back off

[21:34] <NewHarv-VHL> Syria openly approves the Hezbollah

[21:34] <Karen-VHL> Bob...I heard that....but has the cease fire taken effect?

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> not real close, Rich

[21:34] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> I'm thinking of Jordan

[21:34] <Karen-VHL> Shalom Bezalel....

[21:34] <Rich-VHL> 7good

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> Karen, still lots of gunfire at various places

[21:34] <NewHarv-VHL> I knew something was wrong with that picture, Peace! ;)

[21:35] <NewHarv-VHL> Although, Jordan will eventually turn against Israel, as well

[21:35] <Karen-VHL> I think Arafat is really out of whack...one minute he is calling the intifada a blessed intifada which will not stop before a flag is raised over Jerusalem and the next minute he is calling for the P.A. to cease fire and talking peace again....

[21:35] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> let the record show, I stand corrected or at least stand clear that I ment Jordan and not Syria.

[21:36] <Hope-VHL> Bob I enjoyed your album nice to see how everyone looks including Stan and Family

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Yes, contrary to most analysts, it seems from the Scriptures that Jordan will also be involved in this war

[21:36] <fred-VHL> Oh, Bob I've got news now Israel has issued yet another cease fire deadline.

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Another one, Fred? When will Barak learn?

[21:36] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> fred, what news is this?

[21:36] <fred-VHL> I agree, Saddam has to get to Israel tho' Jordan.

[21:36] <fred-VHL> BBC

[21:37] <fred-VHL> Yes

[21:37] <Rich-VHL> 7Israel is bending over backwards to try and stop the war with the pa some how I don't think it will happen

[21:37] <Jewdy-VHL> Gotta give Israel credit. They're longsuffering.

[21:37] <Hope-VHL> He's waiting for the people to throw him out?

[21:37] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> I see your BBC and raise you a DMZ,:-> little joke there.

[21:37] <Karen-VHL> Bob, I know you must have been asked this already but what are your thoughts in regards to the phase we are in..Do you think there will be war soon?

[21:38] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> and what is the definition of soon?

[21:38] <Karen-VHL> Yes, Israel has gone the distance in attempting to make a true peace..

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Jordan is unstable now - the popular mood is VERY anti-Israel and they are clamoring for Abdullah to take a stronger stance against Israel

[21:38] <fred-VHL> Ariel Sharon will get elected. Then things will start happening. Sharon doesn't have a grat deal of patience.

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I do, Karen

[21:38] <Jewdy-VHL> What about Netanyahu, do you think he will get back in?

[21:38] <fred-VHL> No.

[21:38] <Jewdy-VHL> Why?

[21:38] <Hope-VHL> I don't think Jordon will allow them to pass across their land

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> Barak's government could fall at any time - Netanyahu has made no concrete moves yet, but most expect him to at some point

[21:39] <fred-VHL> He proved to a be a bit treasonous.

[21:39] <Jewdy-VHL> Sharon looks too old

[21:39] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> in case I miss you later Bob, have a good nite I'm glas I had a chance to talk with you. I have to go check on the kids.BRB I hope.

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> See ya Tim! God bless!

[21:39] <Jewdy-VHL> Mor treasonous than Barak?

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 7he's full of know how though Jewdy

[21:39] <fred-VHL> Yes sharon is old but still has energy.

[21:39] <peacetreaty2come-VHL> great wedding photos also, Bob nice lookin' wife and I wish the best for the two of you.

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> thanks :)

[21:40] <Karen-VHL> Bob..how soon do you think it is going to be....do you think the Messiah is just about ready to enter the scene?

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Karen, I do think a war is soon, but not the Armageddon scenario or anything like that

[21:40] <fred-VHL> Bob hav e you only just got married?

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> there are other things that have to happen before that

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> my wedding was in January

[21:41] <NewHarv-VHL> Good night everyone, this has been so encouraging

[21:41] <Jewdy-VHL> Night NewHarv

[21:41] <fred-VHL> Thanks, Bob

[21:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Harv

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> See ya NewHarv! Blessings to you!

[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7night newharv

[21:41] <Hope-VHL> goodnight NewHarv

[21:41] <Karen-VHL> Bob, ????? so, when do you think Armageddon will occur...What would be the point spiritually speaking if there was war now but no Armageddon?

[21:41] <fred-VHL> Good night Newharv.

[21:41] <Karen-VHL> Shalom Harv

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> The "point" - I guess, is that is one more step in God's master plan

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[21:42] <VCI-Bob> but a definite fulfillment of prophecy

[21:42] <Karen-VHL> This may sound crass but no Armageddon means no Messiah...

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> be patient, Karen :)

[21:42] <Hope-VHL> Armaggeddon is God 's battle isn't it Bob?

[21:42] <Rich-VHL> 7He's comming soon Karen

[21:43] <Karen-VHL> Oh, I am weary of all these steps...I am sorry but it has been 13 years of intense watching, waiting....talk about long labors....

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> remember what Paul said:

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. (2 Thessalonians 2:3 NIV)

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> and James: Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord's coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains. (James 5:7 NIV)

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near. (James 5:8 NIV)

[21:44] <Rich-VHL> 7I know, but I see your love for the Lord is still there Karen

[21:44] <Karen-VHL> It is hard to have conflicting feelings...on one hand I want the Messiah to return...and I know that means a big mess, alot of suffering for many...

[21:44] <Jewdy-VHL> Are you post trib, Bob?

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 7thats all it takes for us isn't it Karen

[21:45] <Karen-VHL> Rich...hanging in here....

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Jewdy

[21:45] <Jewdy-VHL> That's what I thought

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 7I can tell Karen

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> Karen, I know what you mean :)

[21:45] <Hope-VHL> God has been so endlessly patient he doesn't want anyone to perish

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> right

[21:45] <Jewdy-VHL> Aren't we glad he is.

[21:46] <Karen-VHL> Rich....could you clarify your last comment....that's all it takes..I lost something in between...

[21:46] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Jewdy

[21:46] <fred-VHL> I'm inclining to post trib myself but most people I know are pre trib

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9 NIV)

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. (2 Peter 3:10 NIV)

[21:46] <Karen-VHL> Hope....this is very true....

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[21:46] <Karen-VHL> Bob, what is your understanding of the phrase...the elements will be destroyed by fire...

[21:46] <Rich-VHL> 7to hang in there Karen is all it takes to keep our faith strong In Jesus

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Fred, but I think more are re-examining it every day from a Biblical perspective

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Karen, a fiery judgment of the earth

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[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Light and Pilgrim!

[21:48] <Karen-VHL> Rich...yes, hanging in ....having done all to stand the scriptures directs...

[21:48] <light2-VHL> Thanks Bob

[21:48] <Jewdy-VHL> I want to believe pre trib. I think the tribulation is for the Jews not the church.

[21:48] <Hope-VHL> Oh where would I be today if it were not for His Patience

[21:48] <pilgrim-VHL> thank you Bob, hello everyone

[21:48] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Light and Pilgrim

[21:48] <light2-VHL> Hey Rich

[21:48] <Karen-VHL> Shalom pilgrim......

[21:48] <Jewdy-VHL> Hello Light

[21:48] <Jewdy-VHL> Hello Pilgrim

[21:48] <light2-VHL> Hi Jewdy

[21:48] <Rich-VHL> 7how you been light

[21:49] <Hope-VHL> hello Pilgrim

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> "When the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels, He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus." 2 Thess 1:7-8

[21:49] <light2-VHL> Very good thanks

[21:49] <light2-VHL> and you

[21:49] <light2-VHL> Amen Bob

[21:49] <Rich-VHL> 7very good too light thanks

[21:49] <Karen-VHL> Bob...do you believe the Muslims are antichrist...?

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Jewdy, the tribulation is for the nations who have rebelled against the Lord, as we saw in Isa 34 earlier

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[21:50] <light2-VHL> Small crowd tonight, it took me awhile to get in,,, I thought it would be more crowded

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Karen, they are "an antichrist" - not "the antichrist"

[21:50] <pilgrim-VHL> won't the 144,000 be converted jews

[21:50] <Rich-VHL> 7how long you been here Liz

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Glad you persisted, Light :)

[21:50] <Jewdy-VHL> I thought it was time of him trying to bring his people back to him.

[21:50] <Karen-VHL> Bob...any thoughts on who the antichrist may be?

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> no, Karen - none :)

[21:50] <light2-VHL> Me too < How has Stan and the family been?

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Stan is doing very well

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> and his wonderful family also :)

[21:51] <light2-VHL> Still in Israel < I guess

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Pilgrim, yes, apparently so

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[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Jewdy, God will be restoring and consoling Israel, yes....

[21:52] <fred-VHL> Bob, Does Stan have a chat also?

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> but not "the tribulation" - that's God's severe anger poured out on the world

[21:52] <Jewdy-VHL> I thought the seventy weeks were determined upon his people

[21:52] <Karen-VHL> Bob, that really surprises me...It will take awhile for the antichrist to establish himself and set things up...that just is going to make the Messiah's return take even longer

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Fred, Mondays, same time

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Be patient, Karen

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Jewdy, but look what those seventy weeks are for:

[21:53] <Karen-VHL> Bob, have you spoken to Stan since the bombing today...?

[21:53] <Rich-VHL> 7the anti christ is already being set up Karen

[21:53] <fred-VHL> Thanks Bob, i'll drop in then:-)

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy place. (Daniel 9:24 NASB)

[21:53] <light2-VHL> Gods Patience in all of this is so people can be saved

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> Great, Fred :)

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> Karen, yes, we chatted today

[21:53] <Karen-VHL> Bob, I am thinking that Messiah will return in 2001 or 2007....I know we don't know the day or hour

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> It's not wise to set dates, is it?

[21:54] <light2-VHL> How do you know Rich?

[21:54] <Karen-VHL> Bob, Is Stan getting unnerved at all - I hope he isn't..How is his wife handling all of this?

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[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Karen, they seem to be doing well, and appreciate all of the prayers

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Delta! Shalom! :)

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[21:54] <Delta-VHL> Shalom :->

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Welcome back, pilgrim!

[21:54] <Jewdy-VHL> Hello Delta

[21:55] <pilgrim-VHL> thanks

[21:55] <Jewdy-VHL> That sounded like John Wayne, Bob

[21:55] <Karen-VHL> Bob, no we shouldn't set dates....I don't mean to set a date as in day and hour...it's more of a spiritual season thing...

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> It is slower than snails to get into this room sometimes! :-)

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> LOL Jewdy

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Delta!

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> I said it with a swagger.

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> ^5 Jwedy!

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[21:55] <Delta-VHL> oops Jewdy

[21:55] <Hope-VHL> Aren't we already into the tribulation period Bob?

[21:55] <pilgrim-VHL> lol jewdy

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Wulcuum back, PULGRUM

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> Hi Bez, Bob, ALL!

[21:55] <Karen-VHL> Bob, I am glad that all is ok with them....

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> ROFL BOB

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> No, Hope

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[21:56] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:56] <Kathy-VHL> hey Bob you tawkin like me now

[21:56] <Delta-VHL> My own opinion here, but I think we haven't begun to see Tribulation yet

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[21:56] <Delta-VHL> Just my opinion

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> No, it has not started yet

[21:56] <Karen-VHL> Bob, did you know this is a Sabbatical year for the land of Israel...They are supposed to let the land rest...

[21:56] <Jewdy-VHL> another good one Bob

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Karen

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> I have a Psalm :)

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> Psalm 30

[21:56] <Jewdy-VHL> I didn't know that Karne

[21:57] <Jewdy-VHL> whoops, Karen

[21:57] <Karen-VHL> Delta, what is your sense of what the timing of the tribulation will be? What are you looking for?

[21:57] <Delta-VHL> Sing us the Psalm, Bob

[21:57] <Hope-VHL> There is so much tribulation going on in other countries

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> all rightee :)

[21:57] <pilgrim-VHL> please bob

[21:57] <Delta-VHL> Karen, a whole lot worse than this! :-(

[21:57] <Jewdy-VHL> Bob sings?

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> This psalm is both....

[21:57] <Delta-VHL> <----listening to Bob

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> historical

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> and

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> prophetic, I think

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> A psalm. A song. For the dedication of the temple. Of David. I will exalt you, O LORD, for you lifted me out of the depths and did not let my enemies gloat over me. (Psalms 30:1 NIV)

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> O LORD my God, I called to you for help and you healed me. (Psalms 30:2 NIV)

[21:58] <Karen-VHL> Jewdy...It was/is very important for Israel to observe G-d's directive to let the land rest...

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> Look at the heading

[21:58] <Karen-VHL> Delta...what is a whole lot worse to you...what do you mean?

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> A song. For the dedication of the temple.

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> So... this is both David speaking of his time...

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> and perhaps....

[21:58] <Hope-VHL> Sounds wonderful Bob

[21:59] <Delta-VHL> Bob, it works for me now! :-)

[21:59] <Karen-VHL> Jewdy...I would have to go back into my research notes for specifics but not letting the land rest is not kosher with the L-rd...

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> the Jews looking back at God's deliverance, as the new temple is being dedicated in the future?

[21:59] <Jewdy-VHL> Amen. don't let the enemies gloat over Israel

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> O LORD, for you lifted me out of the depths and did not let my enemies gloat over me.

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> 2 O LORD my God, I called to you for help and you healed me.

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> 3 O LORD, you brought me up from the grave ; you spared me from going down into the pit.

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> 4 Sing to the LORD, you saints of his; praise his holy name.

[21:59] <Jewdy-VHL> I could see that Karen

[21:59] <Kathy-VHL> Bob why does it say Temple of David

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> For his anger lasts only a moment, but his favor lasts a lifetime; weeping may remain for a night, but rejoicing comes in the morning.

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> 6 When I felt secure, I said, "I will never be shaken."

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> O LORD, when you favored me, you made my mountain stand firm; but when you hid your face, I was dismayed.

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> 8 To you, O LORD, I called; to the Lord I cried for mercy:

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> 9 "What gain is there in my destruction, in my going down into the pit? Will the dust praise you? Will it proclaim your faithfulness?

[21:59] <Hope-VHL> Help LORD!!

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Hear, O LORD, and be merciful to me; O LORD, be my help."

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> 11 You turned my wailing into dancing; you removed my sackcloth and clothed me with joy,

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> 12 that my heart may sing to you and not be silent. O LORD my God, I will give you thanks forever.

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> "Of David" means David wrote it, I believe

[22:00] <Hope-VHL> GLORY GLORY

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Hallelujah!

[22:01] <pilgrim-VHL> Amen and amen

[22:01] <Delta-VHL> Psalm 3 works here too

[22:01] <Kathy-VHL> But is says Temple of David not song of David

[22:01] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[22:01] <Kathy-VHL> I will research that some Bob

[22:01] <Karen-VHL> Delta, did you see my question about how things need to get a whole lot worse...?

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> ok :)

[22:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Didn't David provide the means, and Solomon complete the temple's construction?

[22:01] <Hope-VHL> We Praise You Father

[22:01] <Jewdy-VHL> The harps will one day play again in Jerusalem

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> Right, Bez

[22:02] <Delta-VHL> Yes, I did Karen, but, I am listening to Bob cause I dont' want him to frown at me. LOL:

[22:02] <Hope-VHL> Amen!!

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it will get MUCH MUCH worse - read Revelation :)

[22:02] <pilgrim-VHL> It is so bad now but things do get worse

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Go ahead, Delta :) this is not "my show" :)

[22:02] <pilgrim-VHL> it is had to see how

[22:02] <Delta-VHL> I remember my grandparents, for example, telling me about the Depression

[22:02] <Hope-VHL> Sing Bob

[22:02] <Delta-VHL> That is MUCH worse than it is now

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> la la la la :)

[22:03] <pilgrim-VHL> Yes another Bob

[22:03] <Delta-VHL> I think we will see that and more

[22:03] <Delta-VHL> Hey, Bob, ya take requests?

[22:03] <Hope-VHL> funny

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> another? OK, lets see :)

[22:03] <Jewdy-VHL> Can we hear that on our speakers?

[22:03] <Delta-VHL> Psalm 3?

[22:03] <pilgrim-VHL> I know delta, the world is just acting like the world

[22:03] <Delta-VHL> Yeah. Sadly :-(

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> For the director of music. Of David. In the LORD I take refuge. How then can you say to me: "Flee like a bird to your mountain. (Psalms 11:1 NIV)

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> For look, the wicked bend their bows; they set their arrows against the strings to shoot from the shadows at the upright in heart. (Psalms 11:2 NIV)

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?" (Psalms 11:3 NIV)

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> The LORD is in his holy temple; the LORD is on his heavenly throne. He observes the sons of men; his eyes examine them. (Psalms 11:4 NIV)

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked and those who love violence his soul hates. (Psalms 11:5 NIV)

[22:04] <Karen-VHL> Bezalel...you are always here it seems but say very little...you must be a good listener...

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> On the wicked he will rain fiery coals and burning sulfur; a scorching wind will be their lot. (Psalms 11:6 NIV)

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> For the LORD is righteous, he loves justice; upright men will see his face. (Psalms 11:7 NIV)

[22:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I have a lot to learn!

[22:04] <Delta-VHL> :-) I admire Bez

[22:04] <Delta-VHL> And Bob's singing!

[22:05] <Karen-VHL> Bezalel....:-)

[22:05] <pilgrim-VHL> Me too Bezalel

[22:05] <Karen-VHL> Are you all listening to one another with microphones?

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> One time, when my wife and I went to the beach....

[22:05] <fred-VHL> I don't have microphones

[22:05] <Hope-VHL> the last will be first and the first will be last Glory to HIS NAME

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> I tried singing Psalms to here with impromptu melodies - it was fun, but not to be recorded :)

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> to her

[22:06] <pilgrim-VHL> Glory to his name, Glory to his name

[22:06] <Delta-VHL> LOL....for me, singing is equivalent to reading the Psalms

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> Hallelujah! Glory to the Lord!

[22:06] <Jewdy-VHL> So you're not going on the road?

[22:06] <Hope-VHL> AMEN

[22:06] <pilgrim-VHL> what happened at the beach

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> Well, not to sing :)

[22:07] <Jewdy-VHL> LOL

[22:07] <pilgrim-VHL> What is the weather like Bob, we leave tomorrow for Sarasota

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> It was a gorgeous day here today

[22:07] <Delta-VHL> Bob? Can I paste in Psalm 3?

[22:07] <Karen-VHL> Ok all, I am going to get going..it's been a very long day...Shalom, blessings, joy and love to all....

[22:07] <Hope-VHL> I live in SARASOTA

[22:07] <fred-VHL> Sorry, Where is Sarasota?

[22:08] <pilgrim-VHL> Shalom, Karen

[22:08] <Hope-VHL> FLORIDA

[22:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Florida Fred.

[22:08] <fred-VHL> Bye Karen

[22:08] <pilgrim-VHL> really, Hope, we will be at Lido beach

[22:08] <fred-VHL> Thanks Bez.

[22:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Karen

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> Night, Karen!

[22:08] <Karen-VHL> Hope...Sarasota is gorgeous...I'll talk to you about it next time I come to chat...Shalom...

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[22:08] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Karen

[22:08] <Hope-VHL> Shalom Karen

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> Well, we better go to Deut 4 if we are going to :)

[22:08] <pilgrim-VHL> Thank you Karen,

[22:08] <Jewdy-VHL> Nite Karen

[22:08] <Delta-VHL> 1 ¶ <<A Psalm of David, when he fled from Absalom his son.>> Jehovah, how are mine adversaries increased! Many are they that rise up against me.

[22:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2About Time, Bob!

[22:09] <Delta-VHL> oops

[22:09] <Delta-VHL> sorry.....(ducking0

[22:09] <Jewdy-VHL> Go ahead

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> yeah, Bez

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> Go ahead, Delta :) I'll wait

[22:09] <Delta-VHL> LOL Bez!

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> :) Bez

[22:09] <Delta-VHL> Ok....

[22:09] <fred-VHL> If it florida it must be hot. Uk is 38 degrees Fahrenheit.

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> oh my - yes, it was in the 80s here today - really nice

[22:10] <pilgrim-VHL> Wow Fred, pretty cold

[22:10] <fred-VHL> It's UK for me

[22:10] <pilgrim-VHL> that sounds great!!! Bob

[22:10] <Hope-VHL> Yes Fred it is hot in Florida 83

[22:10] <Delta-VHL> ¶ <<A Psalm of David, when he fled from Absalom his son.>> Jehovah, how are mine adversaries increased! Many are they that rise up against me.

[22:10] <Delta-VHL> 2 Many there are that say of my soul, There is no help for him in God. Selah

[22:11] <Delta-VHL> 3 But thou, O Jehovah, art a shield about me; My glory and the lifter up of my head.

[22:11] <Delta-VHL> 4 ¶ I cry unto Jehovah with my voice, And he answereth me out of his holy hill. Selah

[22:11] <Delta-VHL> 5 I laid me down and slept; I awaked; For Jehovah sustaineth me.

[22:11] <Delta-VHL> Arrggghhh!

[22:11] <Delta-VHL> My computer just wiped the rest off!

[22:11] <Delta-VHL> :-(

[22:11] <Delta-VHL> Sorry

[22:12] <pilgrim-VHL> Our God is an Awesome God!!!!

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> ok, Deut 4, starting at v 23 - Moses is warning Israel, and giving them a look ahead at what will happen if they turn from God. Then, he tells them of what will happen in "the later days" The events that He warned them of, of course did happen.

[22:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bad computer. :-)

[22:12] <Hope-VHL> Awsome

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> Be careful not to forget the covenant of the LORD your God that he made with you; do not make for yourselves an idol in the form of anything the LORD your God has forbidden. (Deuteronomy 4:23 NIV)

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God. (Deuteronomy 4:24 NIV)

[22:12] <Delta-VHL> Bob, can you get 7-9?

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> After you have had children and grandchildren and have lived in the land a long time--if you then become corrupt and make any kind of idol, doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God and provoking him to anger, (Deuteronomy 4:25 NIV)

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you this day that you will quickly perish from the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess. You will not live there long but will certainly be destroyed. (Deuteronomy 4:26 NIV)

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> I'll get back to it, Delta :)

[22:12] <Delta-VHL> (whew, rescued! thanks)

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> The LORD will scatter you among the peoples, and only a few of you will survive among the nations to which the LORD will drive you. (Deuteronomy 4:27 NIV)

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> There you will worship man-made gods of wood and stone, which cannot see or hear or eat or smell. (Deuteronomy 4:28 NIV)

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul. (Deuteronomy 4:29 NIV)

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> When you are in distress and all these things have happened to you, then in later days you will return to the LORD your God and obey him. (Deuteronomy 4:30 NIV)

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> The last 2 verses.....

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> are going to be fulfilled in our days

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Israel will begin to look for the Lord, returning to Him

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> For the LORD your God is a merciful God; he will not abandon or destroy you or forget the covenant with your forefathers, which he confirmed to them by oath. (Deuteronomy 4:31 NIV)

[22:14] <Hope-VHL> Glory be to God

[22:14] <pilgrim-VHL> Yes Glory to God

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[22:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2God is Always Faithful.

[22:14] <Delta-VHL> :-) I am glad Israel is turning toward God

[22:14] <pilgrim-VHL> Amen Bezalel

[22:15] <Hope-VHL> AMEN!!

[22:15] <Delta-VHL> (wish the US was)

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Then, He recites for them the things He has done.......

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[22:15] <fred-VHL> Slowly but - yes

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[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Ask now about the former days, long before your time, from the day God created man on the earth; ask from one end of the heavens to the other. Has anything so great as this ever happened, or has anything like it ever been heard of? (Deuteronomy 4:32 NIV)

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Has any other people heard the voice of God speaking out of fire, as you have, and lived? (Deuteronomy 4:33 NIV)

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Has any god ever tried to take for himself one nation out of another nation, by testings, by miraculous signs and wonders, by war, by a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, or by great and awesome deeds, like all the things the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your very eyes? (Deuteronomy 4:34 NIV)

[22:15] <pilgrim-VHL> you can say that again Delta

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Right Fred - slowly, now, but it will happen

[22:15] <shelly-VHL> hi all

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35 NIV)

[22:15] <Delta-VHL> :-) Shalom Shelly

[22:16] <Jewdy-VHL> Ooh deep words, Bob

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> v 35 is very significant

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[22:16] <Hope-VHL> Hello Shelly

[22:16] <pilgrim-VHL> Shalom Shelly

[22:16] <Delta-VHL> Kinda like a Gideon Call, ya think Bob?

[22:16] <Jewdy-VHL> Hi Shelly

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> that's the point of all this, right?

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> From heaven he made you hear his voice to discipline you. On earth he showed you his great fire, and you heard his words from out of the fire. (Deuteronomy 4:36 NIV)

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> Because he loved your forefathers and chose their descendants after them, he brought you out of Egypt by his Presence and his great strength, (Deuteronomy 4:37 NIV)

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> to drive out before you nations greater and stronger than you and to bring you into their land to give it to you for your inheritance, as it is today. (Deuteronomy 4:38 NIV)

[22:16] <Delta-VHL> Yep. He's God

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the LORD is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:39 NIV)

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Keep his decrees and commands, which I am giving you today, so that it may go well with you and your children after you and that you may live long in the land the LORD your God gives you for all time. (Deuteronomy 4:40 NIV)

[22:17] <Delta-VHL> Uh Bob?

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Good stuff, huh!

[22:17] <Beverly-VHL> Hi everyone, I'm soo glad to be here!

[22:17] <Jewdy-VHL> Really good stuff Bob

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Hi Beverly! You made it!!!!!

[22:17] <pilgrim-VHL> Wonderful, Stuff

[22:17] <Delta-VHL> I really like the last four words in Deut 4:38

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Delta?

[22:17] <shelly-VHL> Hey Beverly

[22:18] <Hope-VHL> yes Great Stuff

[22:18] <Delta-VHL> "as it is today"

[22:18] <Jewdy-VHL> To drive out before you nations great and stronger than you, sounds like today doesn't it?

[22:18] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Beverly :-0

[22:18] <pilgrim-VHL> Hi beverly

[22:18] <Beverly-VHL> Only with The Lord's help, and Rich's

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> right, Delta, and Jewdy :)

[22:18] <fred-VHL> Deut Ch. 4 sounds relevant to the present crisis, Bob

[22:18] <pilgrim-VHL> It really does Jewdy

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> sure does, Fred

[22:18] <Delta-VHL> ^5 again Jewdy!

[22:18] <Hope-VHL> Hello Bev

[22:18] <fred-VHL> That's right Jewdy.

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> Here's more, from Isaiah:

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> "Enlarge the place of your tent, stretch your tent curtains wide, do not hold back; lengthen your cords, strengthen your stakes. (Isaiah 54:2 NIV)

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> For you will spread out to the right and to the left; your descendants will dispossess nations and settle in their desolate cities. (Isaiah 54:3 NIV)

[22:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hallelujah!

[22:19] <Delta-VHL> Praise EL GIBHOR!

[22:19] <Delta-VHL> (that's GOD!)

[22:19] <Hope-VHL> Praise You FATHER

[22:19] <fred-VHL> Totally!

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> it's a big ole Divine tent enlargement project :)

[22:20] <pilgrim-VHL> Hallelu, Hallelu Hallelujah, Praise ye the Lord

[22:20] <Beverly-VHL> Our God Reigns!

[22:20] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Have toolkit will travel!

[22:20] <pilgrim-VHL> going on right before our eyes

[22:20] <Jewdy-VHL> A lot of the Arab countries are on land promised to Israel anyway.

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> Hallelujah!!!

[22:20] <fred-VHL> Desolate cities? Sound like what Damascus will be.

[22:20] <Delta-VHL> LOL Bez!

[22:20] <Hope-VHL> Forever andEver

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[22:20] <Delta-VHL> Yep, Jewdy, Syria and Jordon for sure

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[22:20] <VCI-Bob> yeah, Fred

[22:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Tyre and Sidon!

[22:21] <fred-VHL> And a third of Iraq, believe it or not!

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> Gilead! Shechem!

[22:21] <Jewdy-VHL> True, fred. And they think they are so smug

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> Hebron!

[22:21] <Delta-VHL> Hmmm, I need to look at Bob's map again! LOL

[22:22] <Delta-VHL> Hey, even Joseph's Tomb!

[22:22] <pilgrim-VHL> Thank again for a wonderful informative evening, but I have to get packed:-)

[22:22] <Jewdy-VHL> I can't believe Hebron is in PA hands, and Bethlehem'

[22:22] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Enjoy the sun, Pilgrim.

[22:22] <fred-VHL> Basically the entire Mediterranean seaboard with euphrates as its Eastern boundary.

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> All rightee then PULGRUM - just MOSEY ON NOW :)

[22:22] <Beverly-VHL> I still find it so hard to picture, Jesus ruling in Zion, its like a dream

[22:22] <Hope-VHL> and Bethlehem

[22:22] <Delta-VHL> Aww, Pilgrim, ya'll come on back!

[22:22] <Jewdy-VHL> LOL Bob

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Pilgrim :)

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Beverly :)

[22:23] <Jewdy-VHL> Won't that be wonderful Bev

[22:23] <shelly-VHL> do you mean Bethlehem is in PA hands?

[22:23] <Delta-VHL> How come, when Israel wins land, they are supposed to hand it back,and PA destroys a site, they get to keep it?

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[22:23] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it is now, Shelly

[22:23] <Hope-VHL> Shalom Pilgram have a safe trip

[22:24] <fred-VHL> In one word Bias. Delta

[22:24] <Jewdy-VHL> Bob, if the Arabs are supposed to be descendants of Ishmael, why do they feel they have more claim to the land than Israel?

[22:24] <Beverly-VHL> Where is Pilgrim going?

[22:24] <Delta-VHL> Well, ya know, when Israel is allowed to let go and fight back, watch out!

[22:24] <Delta-VHL> Cause they will get it ALL back!

[22:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth." (NIV Isa 49:6)

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> Jewdy, it's all based on an irrational hatred of the Jews

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> Amen, Bez!!!

[22:25] <Delta-VHL> Yeah Bez!

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> to the ends of the earth!

[22:25] <Delta-VHL> Uh, Bob, you better watch out for your job! (JUST KIDDING!)

[22:25] <Jewdy-VHL> Where do they get that the Jews are on occupied land if they all came from Abraham?

[22:25] <Delta-VHL> sorry about caps

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> LOL - I'll say what Moses said....

[22:26] <Delta-VHL> Because Roman's displaced Jews in 132 AD

[22:26] <Hope-VHL> The Arabs if they had their way there wouldn't be any Israel

[22:27] <Delta-VHL> After the Jews, the Muslims want to get rid of the Christians too.

[22:27] <shelly-VHL> But they will never have their way again

[22:27] <Delta-VHL> Amen, Shelly!

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> ahh, I can't find it :)

[22:27] <Delta-VHL> Uhoh!

[22:27] <Hope-VHL> They won't stop at just wanting Jerusalem

[22:27] <Jewdy-VHL> But if they all claim to come from the same stock, why does Israel not have as much right as the PA who says Israel has not right to the land.

[22:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2One of the Islamic beliefs is that if you can't convert your neighbor, conquer and kill them.

[22:28] <Delta-VHL> Jewdy, people in PA are immigrants from Greece and other countries there

[22:28] <Beverly-VHL> Do the arabs know that on mt moriah God said "Take thy son, Thy ONLY son Isaac..."

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Yes - JIHAD is an integral part of the Muslim religion

[22:28] <Delta-VHL> And Yasser Arafat NEVER lived there

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Beverly, they say it was Ishmael

[22:28] <Beverly-VHL> oh...

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[22:29] <Delta-VHL> Beverly, on the abomination called the Dome, they inscribed "God has no son, neither has he need of one

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> Of course, they are wrong

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[22:29] <Delta-VHL> Ok, Bob, I didn't type that verbatim, sorry.

[22:29] <fred-VHL> The penny drops Beverly...irreconcilable.

[22:29] <Jewdy-VHL> By the way they talk, you'd think they were from the Philistines not Ishmael

[22:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yeah, and Muhammad flew from Jerusalum on a white horse. :-)

[22:29] <Delta-VHL> That was the idea Jewdy

[22:29] <Beverly-VHL> I didn't know that, their lose

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> yeah, Bez :)

[22:30] <Delta-VHL> Bob, please tell me to shut up? LOL

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> naahhh Delta :)

[22:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2My overly active sarcasm is acting up, sorry.

[22:30] <Delta-VHL> Your sarcasm is wonderful Bez

[22:30] <Jewdy-VHL> Bez

[22:31] <Delta-VHL> But, Yeshua WINS

[22:32] <Hope-VHL> Amen

[22:33] <Hope-VHL> Always

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> Amen! And in these last days...

[22:33] <Kathy-VHL> It is a done deal

[22:33] <shelly-VHL> uh huh

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> I would encourage all of you to really seek the Lord, and spend lots of time in the Scriptures

[22:33] <Delta-VHL> yeah

[22:33] <shelly-VHL> amen

[22:34] <Delta-VHL> Bob?

[22:34] <Hope-VHL> yes

[22:34] <Kathy-VHL> amen Bob

[22:34] <Beverly-VHL> Sounds good to me!

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> quality time :) not just academic Bible study, but asking the Lord what He's up to :)

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Delta?

[22:34] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Shout for joy, O heavens; rejoice, O earth; burst into song, O mountains! For the LORD comforts his people and will have compassion on his afflicted ones. (NIV Isa 49:13)

[22:34] <Kathy-VHL> we are in need of food in such a time as this

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> Hallelujah, Bez!

[22:34] <Delta-VHL> May I make a Public Service Announcement?

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Kathy

[22:34] <Delta-VHL> Bez, you are on a roll!

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> sure, Delta

[22:34] <Hope-VHL> Praise be to GOD

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> "Therefore, this is what the LORD says: 'I will return to Jerusalem with mercy, and there my house will be rebuilt. And the measuring line will be stretched out over Jerusalem,' declares the LORD Almighty. (Zechariah 1:16 NIV)

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> "Proclaim further: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'My towns will again overflow with prosperity, and the LORD will again comfort Zion and choose Jerusalem.'" (Zechariah 1:17 NIV)

[22:35] <Delta-VHL> Ok...no matter who you feel you should vote for, I want to encourage everyone in US to vote Tuesday night. Please. Thank you. Oh, Pray first.

[22:35] <shelly-VHL> good one bez

[22:35] <Delta-VHL> (sorry, Bob)

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> Vote pro-life :)

[22:35] <Delta-VHL> :-(

[22:36] <Jewdy-VHL> Already done that Delta, thanks!

[22:36] <Kathy-VHL> yea Bob

[22:36] <Kathy-VHL> can I tell you all something

[22:36] <Hope-VHL> Bush

[22:36] <Jewdy-VHL> Delta is that a frown?

[22:36] Rich-VHL [~Rich-VHL@proxy13.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy

[22:36] <shelly-VHL> thats right bob

[22:36] <Delta-VHL> yeah, my frown is my announcement interrupted the scripture

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Kathy, go ahead

[22:37] <Kathy-VHL> I own a home for boys and I have a new boy there who is of the Islam faith

[22:37] <Jewdy-VHL> What a mission field, Kathy!

[22:37] <Kathy-VHL> please be sure to pray for me to be able to witness well

[22:37] <Beverly-VHL> Awsome scripture, Come Lord Jesus

[22:37] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I certainly will, Kathy.

[22:37] <Kathy-VHL> thanks

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> Lord, please give Kathy the wisdom and words

[22:38] <Hope-VHL> We will pray for Him Kathy

[22:38] <Delta-VHL> Yes, Father

[22:38] <Hope-VHL> yes LORD

[22:38] <fred-VHL> Talking of Islam, half my family is Asian and Muslim.

[22:38] <VCI-Bob> And use her to share your good news with these boys in a powerful way

[22:38] <Jewdy-VHL> Are you about 6 hours ahead of us fred?

[22:38] <Delta-VHL> Hallelujah, yes!

[22:38] <Hope-VHL> We will PRAY for them to FRED

[22:38] <fred-VHL> Yes Jewdy

[22:38] <Kathy-VHL> thank you Father

[22:39] <Beverly-VHL> my son spent 9 months at a boy's ranch, I have a heart for such places, and you have my prayers Kathy

[22:39] <Delta-VHL> We pray for Fred too!

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> May the Lord fill you with His Spirit, Kathy

[22:39] <Kathy-VHL> thanks to all

[22:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Place Your Hedge around her home, and protect those within from the world of man.

[22:39] <Hope-VHL> Yes FATHER

[22:39] <Delta-VHL> Soften the heart of the boys, Father, and make them open to Your Holy Spirit

[22:39] <Kathy-VHL> Thank You Father

[22:40] <Jewdy-VHL> Pray for stony hearts to be softened so that the word of God can be planted.

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> His Word is powerful and active

[22:40] <Hope-VHL> AMEN FATHER

[22:40] <Beverly-VHL> His Word brings Life (Gen 1)

[22:41] <Jewdy-VHL> Pray for opportunities to open and the right words to use to minister to lost souls.

[22:41] <shelly-VHL> amen jewdy

[22:41] <Kathy-VHL> Yes Lord

[22:41] <fred-VHL> I am five hours ahead of Florida, which I gather is where most of you are.

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> Time for me to go for tonight, folks - I'll leave you with one last promise from the Lord:

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> "Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. For I am coming, and I will live among you," declares the LORD. (Zechariah 2:10 NIV)

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> "Many nations will be joined with the LORD in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that the LORD Almighty has sent me to you. (Zechariah 2:11 NIV)

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> The LORD will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land and will again choose Jerusalem. (Zechariah 2:12 NIV)

[22:42] <Delta-VHL> AMEN!

[22:42] <Delta-VHL> Shalom, Bob!

[22:42] <Jewdy-VHL> pray for our lives to be witnesses in word and deed, a light to a lost and dying world.

[22:42] <light2-VHL> Amen

[22:42] <Hope-VHL> AMEN AND AMEN

[22:42] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen, Choose Jerualem!

[22:42] <Beverly-VHL> Goodnite Bob, God bless you!

[22:42] <shelly-VHL> amen

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, everyone!

[22:42] <Kathy-VHL> Amen

[22:42] <shelly-VHL> good nite bob

[22:42] <Jewdy-VHL> Good night Bob

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