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[19:56] <Bezalel-VHL> Shalom, Bob!

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> Hey there Bez!!!!

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> And hello to MD and Toria!

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> How is everyone tonight?

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[19:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm fine...

[19:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Called_out

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Hello, Called!

[19:58] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Bez, How are you doing this eve? :)

[19:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Good, Called

[19:58] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi dear friends :)

[19:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth." (NIV Isa 49:6)

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Oh, I like that one Bez - a prophecy about Jesus and His mission

[20:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bob, Is this referring to Jesus first coming.

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it is....

[20:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You beat me to the answer before I could ask the question. :-)

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> It told the Jews ahead of time that the Messiah, when He appeared, would not only have the mission of restoring Israel....

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> but would also extend salvation to the Gentiles

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Good news for us, of course :)

[20:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, it surely uplifted me when I read it.

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Yes, backing up a few verses, we get the full impact....

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> But I said, "I have labored to no purpose; I have spent my strength in vain and for nothing. Yet what is due me is in the Lord's hand, and my reward is with my God." (Isaiah 49:4 NIV)

[20:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Saducees and Pharisees must have been so enthralled with their power, that they refused to observe the prophesies.

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> This is Jesus, speaking prophetically......

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> expressing His frustration at the reception He received when He appeared to the chosen people

[20:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, I see that....and I'm not usually that insightful. The Spirit must be working on me.

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> and verses 5 and 6 are the response to that

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[20:04] <VCI-Bob> yes, Bez, when we seek the Lord, He gives us insight - it's not a natural capability :)

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> So, look at verse 5 as a response....

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> And now the LORD says-- he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength--he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth." (Isaiah 49:5-6 NIV)

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> A lot of interesting things there - that although in verse 6 Jesus' mission is extended to included the Gentiles, His PRIMARY mission was still to "bring Jacob back to him"

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> a mission that is still in progress

[20:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes.

[20:06] <Toria-VHL> 5That is one reason they are called the Chosen!

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[20:06] <VCI-Bob> There are a lot of hints that this is speaking of Jesus the Messiah.....

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> who else would be "honored in the eyes of Yahweh"? not any of use ordinary mortals - nothing honorable in us

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Stacy, and Farrell!

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[20:07] <stacy27-VHL> hello chatters

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[20:07] <liz-VHL> hello

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Thanks for sharing that Bez - those are marvelous, fantastic verses

[20:08] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom. What you are saying is very interesting. Never saw that speaking of Jesus before :)

[20:08] <Kathy-VHL> Hi everybody

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Liz and Kathy!

[20:08] <liz-VHL> hi bob

[20:08] <liz-VHL> been looking forward to chat all day

[20:08] <Kathy-VHL> thanks Bob

[20:08] <farrell-VHL> 2Hello all of you brothers and sisters.

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm delighted that I was "understanding" the message. :-)

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Verse 7 also continues the discussion...

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> :) Bez

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> It's a reaffirmation of the Father's choosing of the Son:

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> "Thus says the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel and his Holy One, to one deeply despised, abhorred by the nations, the slave of rulers, "Kings shall see and stand up, princes, and they shall prostrate themselves, because of the LORD, who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you."

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[20:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Verse 22 is also pretty amazing.

[20:09] <Geneva-VHL> Hi everyone

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Though He was "deeply despised" by many, in the end, the Messiah will be honored by all, and all will fall prostrate before Him!

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Geneva!

[20:10] <liz-VHL> hi geneva

[20:10] <called_out-VHL> 10Hii Geneva :)

[20:10] <stacy27-VHL> blessed are the peace makers for they are the children of god

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I will beckon to the Gentiles, I will lift up my banner to the peoples; they will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders. (NIV Isa 49:22)

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Ahh yes, it is.... :)

[20:10] <Geneva-VHL> Where are you tonight Bob

[20:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2BRB

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Another prophecy of God extending His message of salvation to the Gentiles :)

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> I'm in Tampa

[20:11] <Toria-VHL> 5I love that verse Bez, that is a call to the church and all of us!

[20:11] <liz-VHL> hey how far are you from st pete

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> I'm close to St Pete

[20:11] <liz-VHL> my dad brother and sister are there

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Let's back up a verse from what Bez just shared....

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> cool, Liz :)

[20:11] <liz-VHL> they are not saved

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[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Hi Milly!

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Then you will say in your heart, 'Who bore me these? I was bereaved and barren; I was exiled and rejected. Who brought these up? I was left all alone, but these--where have they come from?'" (Isaiah 49:21 NIV)

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I will beckon to the Gentiles, I will lift up my banner to the peoples; they will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders. (Isaiah 49:22 NIV)

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Look at v 21 - this is very interesting

[20:12] <milly-VHL> hi, all

[20:12] <liz-VHL> hi milly

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> This is from the perspective of the Jews, in the future........

[20:12] <milly-VHL> welcome home, bob

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Thanks :)

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> They are asking the Lord.....

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> We were exiled and rejected for many years - so where did all of these, your children, come from??

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> And the Lord, once again, foretells the inclusion of the Gentiles, during the "time of the Gentiles", when we accept the message of the good news of the Messiah and become His children :)

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> Amazing stuff in this chapter :)

[20:14] <stacy27-VHL> straight and narrow is our way into te kingdom of heaven

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Stacy

[20:14] <called_out-VHL> 10The whole book of Isaiah is amazing

[20:14] <Geneva-VHL> But the time of the Gentiles will soon be over and God will take back the jewish nation.

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Right, Geneva

[20:14] <farrell-VHL> 2I just read the article about the ICEJ dinner and giving the petition to the mayor of Jerusalem. Wasn't that great?!

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> and v 8 hints of that

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> This is what the LORD says: "In the time of my favor I will answer you, and in the day of salvation I will help you; I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people, to restore the land and to reassign its desolate inheritances, (Isaiah 49:8 NIV)

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> to say to the captives, 'Come out,' and to those in darkness, 'Be free!' "They will feed beside the roads and find pasture on every barren hill. (Isaiah 49:9 NIV)

[20:15] <Geneva-VHL> What is is ICEJ

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[20:15] <Toria-VHL> 5Yes it was wonderful Farrell

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> The Father is speaking to the Son - giving Him further information on His mission to the Jewish people

[20:15] <farrell-VHL> 2International Christian Embassy Jerusalem. They are Christians in support of Israel.

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, KM

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[20:15] <kmmullins> Hi

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Farrell, that sounded like a wonderful event

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Light2! :)

[20:16] <light2-VHL> Hi Bob

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[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Hello Brandi!

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[20:16] <Geneva-VHL> What Embassy that reopened in Jerusalem this week

[20:16] <Kathy-VHL> Bob is this scripture before tribulation of after

[20:16] <light2-VHL> Glad you made it back

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, NewHarv!

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Which one, Kathy?

[20:16] <NewHarv-VHL> Thanks!

[20:17] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, does verse 8 mean that Israel will have all the land which God originally gave them dstributed to them?

[20:17] <Brandi2000-VHL> Oh, hello! Just discovered this whole site!

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Since Bez got us started in Isaiah 49, let's look at t few more verses there

[20:17] <Kathy-VHL> Isiah that you were speaking of

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[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Yes, indeed, Farrell

[20:17] <farrell-VHL> 2:)

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Cocoon!

[20:17] <Toria-VHL> 5Hi Brandi, you will enjoy this chat room.

[20:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Brandi

[20:17] <kmmullins> hi brandi welcome

[20:17] <cocoon-VHL> 10Hello and God Bless!

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Kathy, the timeframe shifts somewhat during the chapter....

[20:17] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Hey, I do already! Thanks!

[20:17] <milly-VHL> glad to have you, Brandi

[20:17] <Kathy-VHL> k

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> some speaks of Jesus first advent, and some later

[20:17] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Just like home

[20:18] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Thanks, Milly

[20:18] <Geneva-VHL> This is just before the tribulation and during the tribulation

[20:18] <NewHarv-VHL> So glad I found this site. Eager to hear what others who study prophecy have to say

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> let's look at v 13-16

[20:18] <Kathy-VHL> we need to be clear on the time frame or we can get caught up in what is not yet

[20:18] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Hi kmmullins

[20:18] <liz-VHL> You will eenjoy

[20:18] <cocoon-VHL> 10What Book and Chapter?

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Isaiah 49

[20:18] <kmmullins> hi brandi

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> v 13-16 now - we looked at some others earlier

[20:18] <farrell-VHL> 2The Lord is blessing us by bringing in new members to the chat:)

[20:19] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6:-> km

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Yes :)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> v 13-16 is a reassurance of the Lord to Israel that He has not rejected them

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Shout for joy, O heavens; rejoice, O earth; burst into song, O mountains! For the LORD comforts his people and will have compassion on his afflicted ones. (Isaiah 49:13 NIV)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> But Zion said, "The LORD has forsaken me, the Lord has forgotten me." (Isaiah 49:14 NIV)

[20:19] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6I am on Fire farrell!

[20:19] <farrell-VHL> 2:) Brandi

[20:20] <liz-VHL> thats great brandi :) :) :)

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Isaiah, seeing the future consolation of Israel, bursts into exclamations of joy in v 13!

[20:20] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6:-> back to ya farrell!

[20:20] <stacy27-VHL> a star with holds much life. thank god for existance

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Much like we do as we view the situation :)

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> BUT..........

[20:20] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Thanks Liz!

[20:20] <Geneva-VHL> When the church is going Israel will preach the gospel God has not forgotten his people

[20:20] <farrell-VHL> 2Amen Bob !

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Look at v 14 - Israel isn't so sure, in fact, they sound a little depressed, like the Lord has rejected them

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> The Lord's response is:

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> "Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you! (Isaiah 49:15 NIV)

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands; your walls are ever before me. (Isaiah 49:16 NIV)

[20:21] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6I've got butterflies in my stomach, just thinking about all that is going on!

[20:21] <cocoon-VHL> 10Is this something Israel is currently experiencing?

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Cocoon

[20:21] <farrell-VHL> 2Do you think Israel is feeling that way (depressed) right now, today?

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> uncertainty, wondering, fear

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Yes

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Wondering where the Lord is......

[20:22] <milly-VHL> but, bob, are they looking to God?

[20:22] <NewHarv-VHL> But Israel will be shaken, like olives from the tree

[20:22] <farrell-VHL> 2Pray that they will remember their God and call out to Him!

[20:22] <light2-VHL> Bob have you read Zephaniah chapter 2 has good verses on Israel

[20:22] <cocoon-VHL> 10What are their options for comfort? Rabbis, Christians, Scriptures or are they unconsolable?

[20:22] <stacy27-VHL> it is peape that forget the word and works of our lord ii have been guilty of that

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Milly, they will increasingly look to the Lord as the result of the events in the near future....

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> it's a process.... right now, they are not

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[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Elinor

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Light - perhaps we can look at that in a few minutes

[20:23] <liz-VHL> lucy:) :)

[20:23] <liz-VHL> hi elenor

[20:23] <milly-VHL> ok, I have been praying that they will cry out to Him, realizing that they can't make it thru this alone

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> NewHarv, yes, there will be some shaking, but only for correction and restoration

[20:23] <elinor-VHL> hi! Thanks!:-):-)

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> That's a good prayer, Milly

[20:23] <farrell-VHL> 2Israel can experience the confidence of God's promises if they will only trust Him and not themselves.

[20:23] <liz-VHL> you made it

[20:24] <Toria-VHL> 5Just like the church, some shaking to purify

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> and they will begin to do that, more and more, according to the Scriptures

[20:24] <light2-VHL> Is there still alot of killing going on there now?

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> What a great group we have here already!

[20:24] <farrell-VHL> 2just like the church?

[20:24] <elinor-VHL> whew!9:-)

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Light, today was another awful day

[20:24] <cocoon-VHL> 10Are there any signs that they are starting to reach out to God now?

[20:24] <farrell-VHL> 2Oh, I see, Toria :)

[20:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hallelujah, Bob!

[20:24] <liz-VHL> you figured it out sis

[20:24] <light2-VHL> I am in shock

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> in Israel - I'll give details of what happened

[20:25] <stacy27-VHL> light,rightousness, favored in gods eye considerd better than darkness.

[20:25] <liz-VHL> i was getting worried

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Cocoon, I'm not sure

[20:25] <light2-VHL> I can't comprehend it

[20:25] <NewHarv-VHL> I have been reading Bob's articles on war with Syria. It seems like it could be setting up right before our eyes

[20:25] <elinor-VHL> 9i crashed!:-(

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> What happened today was up at Mt Ebal, which is mentioned in the Bible..

[20:25] <NewHarv-VHL> Amazing how Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan are mentioned again and again as coming against Israel together

[20:25] <liz-VHL> oh no

[20:25] <Toria-VHL> 5IBob have you recieved any news today from Stan?

[20:25] <Geneva-VHL> Where do you get the articles from Bob on Syria

[20:26] <liz-VHL> oh really bob that has had me angry all day

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> near biblical Shechem, modern Nablus....

[20:26] <kmmullins> Have they enterd the Temple

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Geneva, the are on VHL in the prophecy section, and also on my website www.trumpetsounds.com

[20:26] <liz-VHL> why didnt barak do anything???

[20:26] <NewHarv-VHL> On Trumpet Sounds web site

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz, it made me angry also

[20:26] <Geneva-VHL> I heard the other day that Turkey is turning against Israel

[20:27] <liz-VHL> i heard their were demonstartions at baraks house

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> I don't know Liz - he thinks he is showing restraint, but what he is really showing is weakness, inviting the Palestinians to be more aggressive

[20:27] <light2-VHL> Are service men in Turkey in Danger?

[20:27] <stacy27-VHL> the star of david shines the moon in the night sky shines praise god for there is light in the darkness it shows inthe very wonders of earth and space

[20:27] <liz-VHL> its so sad

[20:27] <Toria-VHL> 5Amen Bob

[20:27] <light2-VHL> We have some family there

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> I'll paste from a news article....

[20:27] <called_out-VHL> 10Syria is having meeting this weekend to denounce any ties to Israel.

[20:27] <liz-VHL> you still here elinor

[20:28] <Toria-VHL> 5Light, where is your family?

[20:28] <elinor-VHL> 9Yup!

[20:28] <liz-VHL> ok

[20:28] <light2-VHL> I think near Bagdad

[20:28] <stacy27-VHL> how greatly the sun shines before men

[20:29] <NewHarv-VHL> There is a meeting of the entire Arab coalition on Saturday

[20:29] <liz-VHL> Hey bob so many conflicting stories today that they were gonna strike and then not???

[20:29] <farrell-VHL> 2In the Old Testament, it would seem that the people of Israel would follow their leaders' spiritual condition. If we pray specifically for the salvation of the leaders, then Israel will follow them do you think?

[20:29] <Geneva-VHL> All the middle east countries are forming an agreement against Israil

[20:29] <called_out-VHL> 10Yes, NewHarv

[20:29] <Kathy-VHL> our troups in Germany are all on alert

[20:29] <Toria-VHL> 5Bob our church group of 15 people has decided to go on our trip to Israel leaving on the 28th.

[20:29] <light2-VHL> Sorry Bagdad is in Iraq

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> From Ha'aretz The Israeli citizen killed earlier in the gunfights on Mount Ebal, near Nablus, was Rabbi Binyamin Herling, a 55-year old resident of the settlement Kedumim. Herling taught in the Elon Moreh yeshiva and in a yeshiva in the settlement Yitzhar.

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> All the Israeli hikers stranded on Mount Ebal, near Nablus, were evacuated Thursday night after hours of gunfights between Palestinians and the IDF. The IDF had earlier called on the residents of the village at the foot of Mount Ebal to evacuate their homes, apparently to allow for the rescue of the Israelis still stranded there without endangering the lives of the residents of the village.

[20:30] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6I am so excited for you, Toria!:-)

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> A bus of hikers, with soldier escort, came under fire and was pinned down for much of the day

[20:30] <liz-VHL> he haad 8 kids too

[20:30] <farrell-VHL> 2That is WONDERFUL Toria :) I am so envious

[20:30] <NewHarv-VHL> I don't think the Arab countries are going to be discussing peace with Israel

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Several people were wounded, and could not be evacuated for hours.....

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> because the Palestinians apparently fired anti-air weapons at the evac helicopter

[20:31] <Toria-VHL> 5Thanks, if you think of us pray that God will accomplish Hid will through is and in us for this trip

[20:31] <NewHarv-VHL> Gee, I thought they only had rocks

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> it was an awful situation - I followed it closely throughout the day

[20:31] <called_out-VHL> 10Did anyone hear of the bomb blast in Bethlehem?

[20:31] <liz-VHL> another miracle cuz that helicopter was hit but kept flying

[20:31] <farrell-VHL> 2I thought the Palestinians were not effectively armed?

[20:31] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6I sure will, Toria!

[20:31] <NewHarv-VHL> They are armed to the teeth

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Called, there was a report that the blast was cause by PA making explosives

[20:32] <liz-VHL> then the idf called plo to stop and nothing

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> not gas tank accident as reported

[20:32] <liz-VHL> oh i never thought of that bob

[20:32] <called_out-VHL> 10hummm :-(

[20:32] <NewHarv-VHL> The media simply will not report the whole story

[20:32] <liz-VHL> so they were making bombs

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Toria, that's wonderful - I wish I could go back right away myself

[20:32] <Geneva-VHL> They are not going to stop fighting Israel until they have pushed them to the Sea So they think

[20:33] <light2-VHL> Toria how long will you be there?

[20:33] <liz-VHL> in one of arafats buildings

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Geneva, but God has other plans :)

[20:33] <Kathy-VHL> have to leave for a few will be back

[20:33] <stacy27-VHL> i cried all night when i saw the horror of man and child slaying

[20:33] <liz-VHL> bob you heard about the lyncchers

[20:33] <Kathy-VHL> Bob can you post the chat tonight instead of tomorro

[20:34] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Me, too Stacy, but this is just the beginning of the birth pangs.

[20:34] <Kathy-VHL> it is my sons birthday and I may not get back and want to read it tonight

[20:34] <light2-VHL> Did you know stacy that Hal Lindsey said that child was killed by palestinian fire and not Israel

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> You know what was especially shocking? The way the US news played the events today - CNN, CBS, ABC all downplayed it and made it look like the Israelis provoked it!!

[20:34] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Actually, we have had them all along, maybe it is the ending of them soon

[20:34] <liz-VHL> is ii know it was sick

[20:34] <liz-VHL> little snippets

[20:34] <light2-VHL> Thats nothing new they hardly even report the fighting at all

[20:35] <milly-VHL> media has been doing that all along...it is so aggravating

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> Kathy, I cannot post it on VHL - I email the log to Stan, and he posts it - I will, however, post it on my website tonight for you

[20:35] <farrell-VHL> 2The media has been covering up much of the Palestinians

[20:35] <NewHarv-VHL> I wish the world knew how biased the media is

[20:35] <farrell-VHL> 2activities

[20:35] <light2-VHL> I finally turned to am radio to get news

[20:35] <Geneva-VHL> How long can this go on

[20:35] <Toria-VHL> 5You will never see the news in USA favor Israel. I have been going since 88 and I have always noticed that they favored the Pa.

[20:35] <milly-VHL> yes, farrell

[20:35] <liz-VHL> Joseeph Farah will be on fox news tomorrow

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I could not believe the news reports tonight - so biased

[20:35] <light2-VHL> Thats pretty bad

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> If you want to hear a good report of the events today.....

[20:35] <light2-VHL> Why do you think Bob?

[20:36] <NewHarv-VHL> But, this too is prophesied, is it not. All nations shall come against Israel

[20:36] <light2-VHL> Why would they want to be so biased

[20:36] <kmmullins> on msnbc they coverthe entire situation

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> go to jpostradio.com and listen to their audio reports

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> Right, Newharv

[20:36] <light2-VHL> Sometimes I am blocked and can;t get to those sites

[20:36] <liz-VHL> arutz had some good stuff todasy too

[20:36] <NewHarv-VHL> Jerusalem is, indeed, becoming a cup that causes reeling

[20:36] <Toria-VHL> 5Yes BOb I was glad to find Jerusalem Post radio. i click on it all thru the day

[20:36] <liz-VHL> elinor yoohoo

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[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Nina!

[20:37] <kmmullins> hi nina

[20:37] <liz-VHL> hi nina

[20:37] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Nina!

[20:37] <farrell-VHL> 2It breaks my heart that the U.S. will turn against Israel (if they have not already done so). I could just cry for our country:(

[20:37] <elinor-VHL> Still here!

[20:37] <liz-VHL> 4ok

[20:37] <Toria-VHL> 5BOB, what is stan's email. He gave it one of the nights

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> As a result of what happened today on Mt Ebal....

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> stan@vcimail.com

[20:37] <Nina-VHL> Hi, I had about given up getting in

[20:37] <liz-VHL> 4i had a hard time too nina

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[20:38] <Toria-VHL> 5That is not what he said. No wonder I could not email him. He must have been too sleepy. Wherer is he tonight?

[20:38] <light2-VHL> Did you hear about that poor Rabbi murdered by Josephs tomb?

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> Barak is once again talking tougher - but whether he will follow through, who knows?

[20:38] <kmmullins> i donot think the us will ever turn away from ISARALE

[20:38] <liz-VHL> 4what is he saying now

[20:38] <light2-VHL> He is supposedly a relative of Lieberman

[20:38] <light2-VHL> But Lieberman said no

[20:38] <liz-VHL> 4another 48 hour ultimatum

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[20:39] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6I can't see that happening, either K.M.

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[20:39] <VCI-Bob> kmm, one would hope not, but the Scriptures tell us the ultimately no one stands with Israel

[20:39] <kmmullins> Hi mountian dew

[20:39] <Toria-VHL> 5I believe USA will turn against Israel. What do you think BOB?

[20:39] <farrell-VHL> 2Poor Barak is caught between people who want him to give up everything for peace and people who want him to be tough. He can't win in the middle.

[20:39] <liz-VHL> 4what will turn us away from israel bob

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> we saw evidence of the US stance when they did not veto the anti-Israel resolution at the UN last week

[20:39] <light2-VHL> Is Stan going to join the Israel Army, I think he had threatened to

[20:39] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6That is true, bob.

[20:40] <kmmullins> where in the BIBLE does it say that

[20:40] <NewHarv-VHL> When Israel has the audacity to defend herself, we don't support her

[20:40] <Geneva-VHL> I listed to the radio a lot and read on the internet. The news is so bisced I just don

[20:40] <Geneva-VHL> t listen

[20:40] <liz-VHL> 4i am surprised judgement has not hit here yet because of that

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I think the US is not going to stand with Israel, when things get tough

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> He's too old, Light LOL

[20:40] <Toria-VHL> 5Thats right. And also several years ago just before the Gulf war, US would not even cosign to help Israel build new settlements

[20:40] <farrell-VHL> 2I think you are right Bob

[20:40] <light2-VHL> I hope he stays safe

[20:40] <NewHarv-VHL> Although, sometimes I wonder about the "wings of the great eagle" in Rev. 12

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Let me find it, km

[20:40] <light2-VHL> I have been praying for both of you guys

[20:41] <kmmullins> okay

[20:41] <liz-VHL> 4elinor jooin in sis

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Thanks, Light

[20:41] <Nina-VHL> scrolling to catch up

[20:41] <liz-VHL> 4join

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[20:41] <VCI-Bob> ok, here's one place, KM....

[20:41] <NewHarv-VHL> Zech. 12, for one km

[20:41] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Yes, that does mention that- I hope and pray it is referring to the U.S.

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[20:42] <VCI-Bob> Looking at an important Messianic prophecy in Isaiah 63.....

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[20:42] <VCI-Bob> that speaks of the return of the Lord Jesus.....

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> (Welcome, Fernie!)

[20:42] <Toria-VHL> 5It sometimes is very difficult for Israel to try and please USA I feel. It was not easy for Israel to let USA fight her battle in the Gulf War. That was the first time any foreign country fought her battles.

[20:42] <milly-VHL> Hi, fernie

[20:42] <light2-VHL> I hope he hurrys and comes

[20:42] <Geneva-VHL> US will turn against Israel when we come under the UN

[20:42] <fernie-VHL> Greetings to All

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Isaiah 63 1-6 reads like a dialogue.....

[20:43] <liz-VHL> 4hi ferrnie

[20:43] <light2-VHL> Post it Bob

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> almost like a news reporter interviewing the Messiah after the last decisive battle....

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> here it is...

[20:43] <stacy27-VHL> he will in god speed in deed return

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Who is this coming from Edom, from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson? Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the greatness of his strength? "It is I, speaking in righteousness, mighty to save." (Isaiah 63:1 NIV)

[20:43] <light2-VHL> Amen come Lord

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> The "reporter" asks the question, and the Messiah Jesus answers

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> and then another question:

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Why are your garments red, like those of one treading the winepress? (Isaiah 63:2 NIV)

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> "I have trodden the winepress alone; from the nations no one was with me. I trampled them in my anger and trod them down in my wrath; their blood spattered my garments, and I stained all my clothing. (Isaiah 63:3 NIV)

[20:44] <kmmullins> Zakira what

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> For the day of vengeance was in my heart, and the year of my redemption has come. (Isaiah 63:4 NIV)

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> I looked, but there was no one to help, I was appalled that no one gave support; so my own arm worked salvation for me, and my own wrath sustained me. (Isaiah 63:5 NIV)

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> I trampled the nations in my anger; in my wrath I made them drunk and poured their blood on the ground." (Isaiah 63:6 NIV)

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[20:45] <light2-VHL> He sounds mad to me

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> in v 3 and 5, it indicates that "no one" from the nations was there to assist Him in His battle on behalf of Israel and Jerusalem

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> yes, Light

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Boaz!

[20:45] <light2-VHL> Amen he does not need our help

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Very mad

[20:45] <milly-VHL> and mad at the US too

[20:45] <boaz-VHL> Hello room!

[20:46] <light2-VHL> I hope and pray people repent everywhere

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> That's one Scripture, one of several, that indicates that all nations will turn against Israel

[20:46] <NewHarv-VHL> Interesting. Boaz is now Jordan. Could He be coming toward Jerusalem from Boaz after rescuing His people

[20:46] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6:-)

[20:46] <stacy27-VHL> what is in the begining is in the end he is the begining and the end the truth and he light

[20:46] <Geneva-VHL> God will have to fight for Israel because every nation will turn against them

[20:46] <elinor-VHL> Liz, Brad just called, I just hung up...

[20:46] <Nina-VHL> Give me God on my side any day

[20:46] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, what about us, the Christians who are praying for Israel and are willing to stand for her?

[20:47] <liz-VHL> 4ok wondering what happened

[20:47] <light2-VHL> I feel sorry for them, it almost seems like they have been set up

[20:47] <called_out-VHL> 10Maybe U.S. won't be around to help.

[20:47] <Toria-VHL> 5Israel Has won every battle in our time. No matter how the enemy camre against her. God fights for Israel

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Newharv - v 1 does hint at that, along with other places, that the Lord will be coming "from" Edom, Bozrah, Teman- perhaps where the Jews are being protected at Petra

[20:47] <kmmullins> This is sad but with GOD on her side she needs no one else

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Farrell, we are not part of the "nations" but have been called out from among the nations

[20:47] <called_out-VHL> 10Maybe US will be destroyed prior to this time

[20:47] <milly-VHL> yikes, called-out

[20:48] <liz-VHL> 4something needs to happen to this country

[20:48] <light2-VHL> Bob chap 2:7 tells of the turning of their captivity

[20:48] <NewHarv-VHL> That's what I thought

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Right Toria

[20:48] <called_out-VHL> 10It could happen.

[20:48] <light2-VHL> Of ZEp

[20:48] <light2-VHL> sorry

[20:48] <light2-VHL> zephaniah

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Light, let's look at Zephaniah 2

[20:48] <Toria-VHL> 5It is so exciting to see how God fights for Israel, and we are also God's children and he will fight for us

[20:48] <stacy27-VHL> how much greate is the darkness if there be a little light and for hat very reason to salvage to save and rain mighty i the hearts of those he has saved

[20:49] <light2-VHL> Also 3:12 tells his coming to judge

[20:49] <kmmullins> WHERE in the bible does it comand us to pray for ISRALe i can not rember

[20:49] <light2-VHL> of Zep

[20:49] <liz-VHL> 4Bob have you read that book by Noah Hutchings

[20:49] <farrell-VHL> 2Psalm 122:6-7

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> Zeph 2 is one of those near/far prophecies - speaking of events in those days, and also in the last days

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> no, Liz

[20:49] <liz-VHL> 4 25 messianic signs in Israel today

[20:49] <liz-VHL> 4its amazing

[20:50] <liz-VHL> 4i have to keep rereading it

[20:50] <light2-VHL> How bout 3:12 it sounds like now

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Yeah?

[20:50] <Geneva-VHL> Psalm 122:6

[20:50] <light2-VHL> also verse 13

[20:50] <milly-VHL> is that the name of the book, liz

[20:50] <liz-VHL> 4it speaks in deatil of how israel has been brought back and has so much scripture

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Slow down, light, you're too fast for me to keep up :)

[20:50] <liz-VHL> 4yep

[20:50] <stacy27-VHL> where two or more are gathered in my name there iam also

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[20:50] <NewHarv-VHL> AGain, isn't it interesting how Gaza (Palestine), Jordan and Syria are mentioned together for judgment?

[20:50] <cocoon-VHL> 10IF interested - Check out Dutch Sheets recent word from the Lord for fasting and praying for the elections: That God's man would be elected. It will take more than the usual prayer coverage. God's man is needed and will do the will of God in office if enough prayer. Seems to me this would be the best place America could be in to bless Israel!

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> personally, I think that Zeph 2 hints of some events in the upcoming war

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> yes, NewHarv, exactly!

[20:51] <NewHarv-VHL> It is these very countries that are lining up against Israel right now

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> look at v 8:

[20:51] <light2-VHL> where is that cocoon?

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> "I have heard the insults of Moab and the taunts of the Ammonites, who insulted my people and made threats against their land. (Zephaniah 2:8 NIV)

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> Sounds like today, huh?

[20:51] <stacy27-VHL> my god is non denominnational

[20:51] <NewHarv-VHL> Exactly, I was just listening to that scripture today on tape

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> and this:

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> Woe to you who live by the sea, O Kerethite people; the word of the LORD is against you, O Canaan, land of the Philistines. "I will destroy you, and none will be left." (Zephaniah 2:5 NIV)

[20:52] <liz-VHL> 4oohh bob

[20:52] <NewHarv-VHL> In fact, listeing to all the minor prophets together on tape in one session is like reading today's newspaper

[20:52] <liz-VHL> 4makes you say hmmmm

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Here's a geography reminded - who lived "by the sea"?

[20:52] <light2-VHL> Yep and read verse 9 he is going to turn their land to saltpits

[20:52] <NewHarv-VHL> Palestinians

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[20:52] <milly-VHL> Bob, is the info handy somewhere telling what countries from OT are called today?

[20:52] <stacy27-VHL> power full is the word

[20:52] <NewHarv-VHL> Syria

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> The Philistines, in what is now the Gaza Strip - today controlled by the Palestinians

[20:52] <NewHarv-VHL> Lebanon, the puppet of Syria

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[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Milly, on some maps.... or other reference materials

[20:53] <milly-VHL> being lazy...looking for alist

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Newharv, I like the way you think :)

[20:53] <light2-VHL> 4Flash

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Milly, did you have a specific question?

[20:54] <NewHarv-VHL> Ditto. Your website is like reading my own mind

[20:54] <milly-VHL> no, just trying to absorb it all

[20:54] <light2-VHL> 4Hal lindsey just reported that those people associated with Arafat said to kill Americans and Israelis

[20:54] <cocoon-VHL> 10Dutch Sheets had a web site that has the prophesy

[20:54] <light2-VHL> 4He just now reported it on TBN

[20:55] <liz-VHL> 4do you think prayer will go quietly tomorrow bob

[20:55] <NewHarv-VHL> I've studied prophecy for 20 years and it seems like just within the last year or two, it's becoming unusually clear

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Light - there is an increasing call all over the Arab world for Jihad against Israel and the Jews

[20:55] <light2-VHL> 41He said kill Americans too

[20:55] <Geneva-VHL> I had heard the Arafat had said to kill the americans

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I agree - the Lord is clarifying some things to us as the days get closer

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[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Liz, I doubt it

[20:55] <Toria-VHL> 5That is not to good light. Especially since we are headed for Israel!:-(

[20:56] <light2-VHL> Well if God wants you there, He can protect you for sure

[20:56] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Be careful Toria!

[20:56] <light2-VHL> Just make sure your in His will

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Regarding the events of today, I get the sense that another line was crossed in what happened near Shechem

[20:56] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Don't get lost, whatever you do!

[20:56] <milly-VHL> Angels around you, Toria

[20:56] <farrell-VHL> 2Isn't there a prophecy that says that all will become clear in the final days when fulfillment is near? Does anyone know where that might be?

[20:56] <cocoon-VHL> 10What line?

[20:56] <NewHarv-VHL> Could be Daniel 12

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Well, Farrell, the Lord told Daniel not to concern himself with certain things that would become clear at the end time

[20:57] <Toria-VHL> 5I am just believing that the leader of this trip will have revelation and God will slam the door if we are not to go.

[20:57] <light2-VHL> It says as we walk with the Lord our path shines brighter and brighter

[20:57] <light2-VHL> We will pray for you too Toria

[20:57] <farrell-VHL> 2that may be what I am thinking of :)

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Cocoon, perhaps, the line where Barak and friends finally realize that the "peace process" is a joke because of the Palestinian's intentions

[20:57] <kmmullins> yes light

[20:57] <NewHarv-VHL> Dan. 12 9-10: Go your way Daniel for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time

[20:57] <Geneva-VHL> Daniel 12:9-13

[20:57] <Toria-VHL> 5A lot of grouos are canceling, and our tour wanted to cancel us.

[20:57] <farrell-VHL> 2thanks

[20:58] <NewHarv-VHL> ..those who have insight will understand

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[20:58] <farrell-VHL> 2And, insight comes from the Lord. Right?

[20:58] <liz-VHL> 4bob when is knesset back

[20:58] <NewHarv-VHL> Insight comes from the Holy Spirit as we faithfully study His word

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Oh no! Don't cancel! You'll miss out on the fun! :) Where else will you get a chance to be IN THE MIDDLE of God making history?

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[20:58] <liz-VHL> 4 28th

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Liz, I think at the end of this month

[20:58] <Nina-VHL> Got booted, finally made it back

[20:58] <light2-VHL> But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

[20:58] <kmmullins> T ORIA WHEN ARE YOU GOING i will be in prayer for you

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> I would go back today if I could!

[20:59] <liz-VHL> 4if they vote to topple barak how long does that take

[20:59] <light2-VHL> Prov 4:18

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> I'm not sure, Liz - anyone know?

[20:59] <Geneva-VHL> There is only one Person here that know the prophey. We can tell someone else and they say you just get exceted about things

[20:59] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6You are very brave, Toria..you are trusting in God.

[20:59] <light2-VHL> hope that helps farrell

[20:59] <farrell-VHL> 2Toria, I will hold you in my prayers for a safe journey in the Lord's Will.

[20:59] <Nina-VHL> Who will the Prime Minister be if they get rid of Barak

[20:59] <Toria-VHL> 5That is the way I feel every time I have gone. Our pastor was once a navy seal and so I am not sure we can trust either of us knowing the will of God. we live on the edge.

[20:59] <liz-VHL> 4bibi

[20:59] <farrell-VHL> 2thanks light:)

[20:59] <liz-VHL> 4go bibi

[20:59] <Geneva-VHL> I think you have to trust God and have a desire to learn

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> Nina, at this point, Sharon is still the Likud leader.....

[21:00] <stacy27-VHL> i have never voted in america i dont feel led to do so after finding out details on selected leaders tyranity seems present along with fear of a free country and the legali act to band prayers from school other things is that wrong

[21:00] <NewHarv-VHL> Does everyone know the prophecy that Damascus will be destroyed, no longer to be a city?

[21:00] <liz-VHL> 4so has bibi said he was running yet

[21:00] <Nina-VHL> That is what I figured, he will be more daring than Barak right?

[21:00] <elinor-VHL> yes, Liz!

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> but... if it goes to elections, Likud may select someone else.... probably Bibi

[21:00] <NewHarv-VHL> Sorry about the underline, I don't know why my computer is doing that

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> if he decides to get back in, which many think he will

[21:00] <liz-VHL> 4will bibi be tough still bob

[21:01] <Nina-VHL> What is Bibi like?

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> no, not yet, Liz

[21:01] <called_out-VHL> 10Stacy, all that is required for evil to prevail, is for good men to do nothing.

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Liz, let's hope he learned some things the first time around.....

[21:01] <milly-VHL> amen, called out

[21:01] <liz-VHL> 4yep

[21:01] <light2-VHL> The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

[21:01] <kmmullins> amen

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Stan and I discussed it, and Stan think that Bibi would be tougher this time

[21:01] <liz-VHL> 4i saw him on fox a few days ago and he was so passionate and stern

[21:01] <Nina-VHL> New Harv. clik on the U above where you are typing

[21:01] <light2-VHL> Isa 17:1

[21:01] <farrell-VHL> 2Jer. 49 maybe, NewHarv?

[21:02] <liz-VHL> 4is he in any way religious

[21:02] <NewHarv-VHL> Right, thanks Nina. Just figured dthat out

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> no, Liz

[21:02] <Nina-VHL> This time? Was he Prime Minister b4?

[21:02] <liz-VHL> 4why does he care so much then???

[21:02] <Nina-VHL> You are Welcome

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> But he does have a good historical sense of the importance of the land

[21:02] <light2-VHL> Newhar that is just one there are other prophecies too

[21:02] <liz-VHL> 4oh

[21:02] <NewHarv-VHL> Right farrell, another judgment against Damascus. Damascus has always been a city, never destroyed. Something to watch for still

[21:02] <stacy27-VHL> par takers are srongly evident or waas that just because we co-exist

[21:03] <liz-VHL> 4there always seemed something special about him

[21:04] <NewHarv-VHL> Right, light. The thing that gets me is, the destruction of Damascus is almost always mentioned along with judgments against Jordan. Gaza and Syria. The very countries we see in contention with Israel right now

[21:04] <milly-VHL> doesn't bibl's family have ties with great spiritual leaders in past generations

[21:04] <Geneva-VHL> Stan Is this war or fighting in the Bible are is this just a prelude to a greater battle to come.

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Since we looked at Zephaniah a little, here is yet another promise from the Lord to Israel regarding His faithfulness to His promise:

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Sing, O Daughter of Zion; shout aloud, O Israel! Be glad and rejoice with all your heart, O Daughter of Jerusalem! (Zephaniah 3:14 NIV)

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> The LORD has taken away your punishment, he has turned back your enemy. The LORD, the King of Israel, is with you; never again will you fear any harm. (Zephaniah 3:15 NIV)

[21:04] <light2-VHL> Bob I did read something the other day about Jerusalem being divided and only a 1/3 saved

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> On that day they will say to Jerusalem, "Do not fear, O Zion; do not let your hands hang limp. (Zephaniah 3:16 NIV)

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> The LORD your God is with you, he is mighty to save. He will take great delight in you, he will quiet you with his love, he will rejoice over you with singing." (Zephaniah 3:17 NIV)

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Geneva, what do you mean? Could you clarify?

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[21:05] <stacy27-VHL> it just proves to us that the anti christ generation is a rise

[21:05] <kmmullins> hi Gloria

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Light, that prophecy is mis-applied in my opinion - the one in Zechariah that speaks of two-thirds of Israel being killed..... we discussed it in detail a few weeks ago....

[21:05] <NewHarv-VHL> Do we really believe the Palestinians are going to back off again?

[21:06] <Gloria-VHL> HI Everyone

[21:06] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Hi Gloria!;-)

[21:06] <light2-VHL> Is the city currently divided in two though?

[21:06] <liz-VHL> 4bob you think anything wioll come out of this arab summit

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> it was fulfilled at least twice already - two thirds of Jews were killed in Israel in 70-132 AD, and also two thirds of Jews killed in Europe in the Holocaust

[21:06] <farrell-VHL> 2Thank you brothers and sisters for a good evening. This grandma has got to go to bed for tonight. Will see you next time. God Bless you all:)

[21:06] <stacy27-VHL> IT IS NOT HOW IT WAS ESTABLISHED

[21:07] <light2-VHL> But at that time was the city divided in 2

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> Liz, yes, I think the Arab nations will move closer to uniting in war against Israel......

[21:07] <Nina-VHL> Nite farrell God Bless

[21:07] <called_out-VHL> 10Goodnight Farrell :)

[21:07] <liz-VHL> 4mubarak seems almost scared of Israel

[21:07] <NewHarv-VHL> Good night farrell

[21:07] <milly-VHL> nite, Farrell

[21:07] <liz-VHL> 4you get that impression

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> but Egypt will not join in this war, it seems, from the Scriptures

[21:07] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6nite Farrell

[21:07] <Nina-VHL> Me too Bob, especially since we (THE USA) are threatening Afghanistan

[21:07] <kmmullins> nite farrell

[21:08] <NewHarv-VHL> I think that's exactly what they'll be discussing this weekend, Bob

[21:08] <Geneva-VHL> This battle now is notEzekiel 39 nor the battle of armageddon Is there another battle listed in the Bible

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> Night Farrell

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[21:08] <liz-VHL> 4did mubarak fight any against Israel

[21:08] <called_out-VHL> 10That's a good question Geneva

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Geneva - look at the article "War on the Horizon' on my website for a listing of the prophecies

[21:08] <liz-VHL> 4in army

[21:09] <liz-VHL> 4been thinking he realizes hes not just fighting an aarmy

[21:09] <cocoon-VHL> 10I need to leave also - want you to know that I'm not a buff on Prophecy but I really feel i'm learning so much through these chats - Thanks Bob!

[21:09] <liz-VHL> 4bye cocoon

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> You're welcome, cocoon! Come back soon! :)

[21:09] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6"Trumpetsounds", vci bob?

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[21:09] <called_out-VHL> 10By Cocoon

[21:09] <kmmullins> Where is your web site

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> yes, Brandi

[21:09] <stacy27-VHL> LARMAGEDDON FINAL FIGHT BETWEEN WHAT IS RIGHTOUS AND UNRIGHTOUS

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> www.trumpetsounds.com

[21:09] <Nina-VHL> I have been to Egypt and their army is in rags and run down trucks. Not much of a threat if you ask me

[21:09] <milly-VHL> me, too, cocoon...bye

[21:09] <Geneva-VHL> Ok

[21:10] <NewHarv-VHL> Maybe sometime we could discuss Dan. 8. I've been heavy into that one lately

[21:10] <liz-VHL> 4i just heard recently somewhere that in the 67 or 73 war egypt left all their tanks is that true bob

[21:10] <light2-VHL> Bob don't you think Zachariah 14:2-4 could be for right now?

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> Stacy, Armageddon is the Lord Jesus fighting, as described in Rev 19 and many places in the OT, on behalf of Jerusalem, and completing the outpouring of His wrath on the world for it's wickedness

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> no, Light, I don't think so

[21:11] <liz-VHL> 4brb

[21:11] <Geneva-VHL> Armageddon is the last battle Right?

[21:11] <light2-VHL> But he comes in those verses

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> Sure, Newharv we could do that

[21:11] <Nina-VHL> CSNBC is calling the attack on our Navy an act of war

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Geneva

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[21:12] <NewHarv-VHL> Have you written anything on anti-christ, Bob?

[21:12] <light2-VHL> And also fights for Israel there too

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Some, Newharv

[21:12] <NewHarv-VHL> I'm always looking to other prophecy students to see if I'm on the right track or not

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> I posted a small piece on the AC on the VHL message board this week

[21:13] <NewHarv-VHL> I'll check it out thanks. Basically, it looks like he comes out of the middle east

[21:13] <light2-VHL> Bob some people are saying that the AC is king of Spain, what do you think of that theory?

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Light, to be honest, I think it's silly :)

[21:13] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6I've heard that, too light2

[21:13] <NewHarv-VHL> or at least the very easternmost portion of Europe, i.e. Greece

[21:13] <light2-VHL> They have a web page about it

[21:14] <Geneva-VHL> If OPEC stops our oil we will be hurting

[21:14] <Nina-VHL> There are some who think he is in Lebanon now

[21:14] <Nina-VHL> That he is a druid

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[21:14] <light2-VHL> We will have to pay what the rest of the world pays for gas

[21:14] <NewHarv-VHL> Has to be one of the portions of Alexander the Great's empire left to his four generals

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> There is no shortage of speculation about who he is, personally, I don't give it much thought :)

[21:14] <light2-VHL> I don't know why we Americans think we are so special

[21:14] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Like the man calling himself elijah, running around Jeruselam in long underwear?

[21:14] <Geneva-VHL> I have heard about the leader of Spain also

[21:15] <Nina-VHL> Me either, I don't plan to be here......Glory

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> Well, we may be here :)

[21:15] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6A lot of people think he is.

[21:15] <light2-VHL> Well the reformers all knew who AC was

[21:15] <NewHarv-VHL> Trying to name antichrist is shaky business. We'll know him when we see him

[21:15] <called_out-VHL> 10Doesn't matter who ac is, he is just being used to fulfill God's plan

[21:15] <light2-VHL> And I go with their opinion

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> 2 Thess 2 tells us exactly when he will be revealed

[21:16] <NewHarv-VHL> I think you're right, Bob

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> until then, we will not know

[21:16] <light2-VHL> Naming him publicly could get your neck cut short in the near future

[21:16] <elinor-VHL> Good point, called_out...

[21:16] <called_out-VHL> 10me too NewHarv

[21:17] <NewHarv-VHL> But, scripture does tell us, I think, from where he may come

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> I don't care - all I'm concerned about is staying true to Jesus - the rest will take care of itself :)

[21:17] <Geneva-VHL> I really don't care who the ac is he can't tell me what to do. God will take care of me. If he has to he will just take me home and I will be free

[21:17] <Nina-VHL> But I thought he wouldn't be revealed until half way thru the 7 year peace treaty.

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> Newharv, let's hear your thoughts on that

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[21:17] <light2-VHL> Don't fear them who can kill the body, but have no power over the soul

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> Right, Nina

[21:17] <called_out-VHL> 107 year covenant, we don't know if it is a peace treaty.

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Right, Called :)

[21:18] <Toria-VHL> 5BOB where is Stan?

[21:18] <light2-VHL> would oslo agreement count??

[21:18] <NewHarv-VHL> Dan. 8 states that out of the "four horns" will come the "little horn". Those four horns are the four portions into which Alexader the Great's empire was portioned after his death

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Stan is a asleep in his bed in Jerusalem :)

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> yes

[21:18] <stacy27-VHL> I TOUGHT THAT THE DE ITY OF THE ANTI CRHIST WOULD BE HAUGHTY TO HIGH MINDED AND A LOVER OF HIS OWN IMAG BUT THATS JUST PART OF HIS EXISTANCE .

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> no, light

[21:18] <Toria-VHL> 5I figured that!:-)

[21:18] <liz-VHL> what do you think the 7 year conenant is bob i was gone

[21:19] <light2-VHL> I hope he is asleep and not awake listening to gun fire

[21:19] <NewHarv-VHL> The four portions of Alexader's empire stretched from Greece, eastward to India and southward to Egypt

[21:19] <Toria-VHL> 5Good night all. I have to pay attention to family

[21:19] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6nite, Toria!

[21:19] <Nina-VHL> God Bless Toria.

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> Night Toria! Good to have you!!!

[21:19] <NewHarv-VHL> Hence, the "insolent king" must come from this geographical area

[21:19] <light2-VHL> Night toria, God Bless

[21:20] <Toria-VHL> 5Thanks Blessings too all!

[21:20] <Gloria-VHL> nite toria

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[21:20] <liz-VHL> elinor

[21:20] <liz-VHL> bob???

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> ok - interesting points, NewHarv

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Liz, I don't know what the covenant will be...... my speculation is this....

[21:21] <elinor-VHL> howdy, Liz! This is great...

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> that the "many" spoken of in Daniel 9:27 is not Israel as many think,......

[21:21] <Nina-VHL> Geraldo says that the Arab nations are threatening US if we retalliate against the Afghanistan terriorists

[21:21] <Geneva-VHL> He can come from almost any place now as long as he has had family in these places Right

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> but the nations......

[21:21] <stacy27-VHL> JOHN HAGEE I LOVE THAT MAN HE WOULDVE MADE ONE HECK OF A PRESIDENT

[21:21] <Nina-VHL> Amen stacy

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> perhaps the covenant will be one, that will placate the nations in the aftermath of their viciously intense criticism of Israel.....

[21:22] <NewHarv-VHL> Bob, do you give any credence to the thought that "the many" is translated "rabin" or "rabim"?

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> that will happen because of the destruction of Damacus, the Dome of the Rock, etc

[21:22] <liz-VHL> thought you left sis

[21:22] <Brandi2000-VHL> 6Gotta run, my husband wants to use the computer {{sigh}} bye

[21:22] <liz-VHL> placate????

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> nope, Newharv :)

[21:22] <Nina-VHL> Do you see the Dome being destroyed soon?

[21:22] <Nina-VHL> Bye Brandi, God Bless

[21:23] <NewHarv-VHL> That one's been floating around awhile

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> yeah, Nina, I fantacize about it a lot LOL

[21:23] <light2-VHL> God Bless Brandi

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[21:23] <Nina-VHL> Me too, I even dreamed it

[21:23] <liz-VHL> nned a definition bob

[21:23] <elinor-VHL> nope :-)

[21:23] <light2-VHL> What will happen because of Dome of Rock.......Agreement??

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> placate - pacify, mollify, calm down

[21:23] <light2-VHL> I am lost

[21:23] <liz-VHL> okay i was instant messaging you did you see it

[21:23] <NewHarv-VHL> It does appear, thought, from the text, that this is a covenant already in existence, which is simply enforced or strengthened

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> yes

[21:24] <NewHarv-VHL> So it could, theoretically, be oslo

[21:24] <elinor-VHL> duh...???

[21:24] <light2-VHL> Because he uses the word confirm?

[21:24] <Nina-VHL> Oslo is 9 years old isn't it

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> you know what I got when I saw the word was "rab" (the many) ? the "rabble" :) but I don't know if the Hebrew word carries that connotation :)

[21:24] <liz-VHL> did you see it elinor

[21:24] <light2-VHL> No only 7 yrs this yr

[21:24] <NewHarv-VHL> Right light - strengthen, confirm, enforce

[21:24] <light2-VHL> 7.............uh oh

[21:24] <elinor-VHL> where?:-(

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Could be.... but personally, I think Oslo is now dead....

[21:25] <light2-VHL> It was made in 93

[21:25] <Nina-VHL> me too. And the ac wasn't revealed 3 1/2 years ago

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> and especially after the coming war

[21:25] <liz-VHL> a separtate screen appears lucy

[21:25] <liz-VHL> you dont see it

[21:25] <NewHarv-VHL> However, I have heard Israeli negotiators say they will not come back to the table on any other basis but Oslo

[21:25] <Geneva-VHL> Something new will have to be formed now

[21:25] <light2-VHL> What if the AC has been around for centuries?

[21:25] <light2-VHL> would that change anything??

[21:26] <elinor-VHL> no!

[21:26] <NewHarv-VHL> Although, I can't see peace talks starting again

[21:26] <Geneva-VHL> The spiret of ac has been in the world but not the ac himself

[21:26] <light2-VHL> what about the agreement between russia, vatican and Palestine?

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> Whew! What a fast pace tonight! Finally a chance to take a breath! :)

[21:26] <light2-VHL> currently called Bethlehem 2000

[21:27] <Nina-VHL> <<<<<<Pats Bob on the back

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:27] <liz-VHL> hmmmmmmm

[21:27] <light2-VHL> According to reformers he was the Pope

[21:27] <stacy27-VHL> WHEN I LOOK AT A FREE COUNTRY AND EXISTANCE YOU KNOW I SEE THE SALT AND THE FREASH KNG JAMES THE BOOK OF JAMES EVERY POLITIC BING SHOULD READ THE BIBLE FOR SURE

[21:27] <called_out-VHL> 10Question please. I know this is touchy but...Rev.11:15 My pastor (personally) beleives this is when the saved of the earth are caught away..any opinions?

[21:27] <NewHarv-VHL> Must go, unfortunately. Is there an active message board on this site?

[21:27] <Nina-VHL> haven't read Beth 2000. But I know that the pope is for unified worship in Jerusalem with all religions ....can you imagine

[21:27] <light2-VHL> The Pope has an agreement to save jerusalem

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Newharv - thanks for joining us!

[21:28] <light2-VHL> There is a comittee all dedicated to it

[21:28] <Nina-VHL> Called....I see it right b4 Chapter 4

[21:28] <liz-VHL> hey new harv go to http://www.upway.com/weekend/

[21:28] <NewHarv-VHL> I'm going to stay another minute to see your answer to called.

[21:28] <called_out-VHL> 10Come back soon NewHarv :)

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> Called out, I'll post that verse

[21:28] <Gloria-VHL> Goodnight got to go God Bless

[21:28] <light2-VHL> It includes alot of world leaders too

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[21:28] <NewHarv-VHL> Thanks liz, i've been there

[21:28] <Geneva-VHL> I believe the pope will be the faluse prophet

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever." (Revelation 11:15 NIV)

[21:28] <liz-VHL> okay see ya there soon

[21:28] <light2-VHL> Yes New harv please leave us messages

[21:29] <Nina-VHL> I think the current pope will die soon, but the new one should be watched closely

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Called, the post-trib viewpoint would say yes, that's when the rapture happens - which I tend to agree with, though I see merit in the pre-wrath position as well

[21:29] <light2-VHL> remember the blood of all the saints has to be on the hands of the beast

[21:29] <NewHarv-VHL> Sounds like the consummation of all things to me

[21:29] <stacy27-VHL> THE BIBLE WASNT JUST WROTE BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE PROBLEMS WITH EXISTANCE OR BECAUSE WE CO-EXIST AMOUNG ONE ANOTHER ITS MORE THAN A SHOT IN THE DARK

[21:29] <light2-VHL> And someone qualifies for that right now

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> the "last trumpet" of that verse being the same as in 1 Thess 4

[21:30] <NewHarv-VHL> How about post-trib, pre-wrath :}

[21:30] <light2-VHL> Amen Stacy

[21:30] <called_out-VHL> 10Yes, Bob, we are not dogmatic about this

[21:30] <Nina-VHL> There will be people saved thru martrydom during the Trib,, they too will be called saints

[21:30] <light2-VHL> Amen

[21:30] <called_out-VHL> 10My pastor says this is his opinion, but hopes the pre-tribe position is correct.

[21:31] <NewHarv-VHL> We may be the saints of the trib, nina. We should at least consider the possibility

[21:31] <called_out-VHL> 10Would be easier that way :)

[21:31] <light2-VHL> Notice though it says they were saved out of great tribulation, but there is no article "The " there

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Right, Stacy - the Bible is not merely our personal success manual, though it does give wisdom for life - it is the unfolding of God's plan for history, and His purposes

[21:31] <Nina-VHL> Not for me, for I am convinced in the PreTrib

[21:31] <light2-VHL> Nina what ever I just hope He comes soon

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Yes, would be easier, but I cannot a basis for pre-trib anymore

[21:31] <NewHarv-VHL> OK

[21:32] <called_out-VHL> 10I used to be Nina...now I am not sure at all.

[21:32] <NewHarv-VHL> I agree wholeheartedly Bob

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> but... we don't want to get into a debate about that here :)

[21:32] <Nina-VHL> Me too:-)

[21:32] <called_out-VHL> 10I beleive in mid-tribe now.

[21:32] <called_out-VHL> 10Yeah Bob,

[21:32] <light2-VHL> Well one thing for sure, whereever you die, He comes for you

[21:32] <called_out-VHL> 10we could debate this till Jesus comes.

[21:32] <Geneva-VHL> I use to be pre trib but now I am leaning to mid trib

[21:33] <Nina-VHL> The thing is, Your personal rapture could be today.....Be ready is the words of the wise

[21:33] <NewHarv-VHL> Good night all - it has been very refreshing.

[21:33] <called_out-VHL> 10right Light

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Night, Newharv :)

[21:33] <called_out-VHL> 10Right Nina.

[21:33] <light2-VHL> leave us message NewHarv

[21:33] <Nina-VHL> Nite NewHarv

[21:33] <called_out-VHL> 10Night Newharv

[21:33] <light2-VHL> God Bless

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Good words, Nina :)

[21:33] <NewHarv-VHL> On which message board?

[21:33] <stacy27-VHL> WELL IF IT KEEPS YOOU ON THE STAIGHT AND NARROW?

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[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Bez is back! :)

[21:33] <light2-VHL> There all several

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[21:34] <NewHarv-VHL> VHL?

[21:34] <Bezalel-VHL> The cable modem connection went South.

[21:34] <light2-VHL> What would be good Bob?

[21:34] <Nina-VHL> Going to go and fix a bologna sandwhich, better known as Hillbilly steak. BRB

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> yes, the VHL board

[21:34] <light2-VHL> Make me one Nina

[21:34] <NewHarv-VHL> Will do. God bless

[21:34] <light2-VHL> We had beans tonight:-O

[21:34] <light2-VHL> and beans the other nite too

[21:35] <light2-VHL> Beans are good though

[21:35] <Bezalel-VHL> 2So you're full of beans, huh, Light.

[21:35] <light2-VHL> :->

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[21:35] <light2-VHL> Now the truth is out

[21:35] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:0)

[21:35] <light2-VHL> :-)

[21:35] <Kathy-VHL> nothin wrong with beans

[21:35] <light2-VHL> Nope

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> You know, I've been doing this chat room since the beginning of this year.... and it seems that almost every week we have dramatic developments in the news regarding Israel!

[21:36] <called_out-VHL> 10sounds good Nina :)

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> But especially this month

[21:36] <milly-VHL> sorry, been gone...dog is sick...got to sign off nite, all

[21:36] <Geneva-VHL> I have to go now will reaad the rest of this chat tomorrow, Keep looking up Jesus may come tonight

[21:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night milly

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Night, Milly! Come back soon!

[21:36] <light2-VHL> It is speeding along to the finale Bob

[21:36] <Kathy-VHL> it really has escislated

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Night, Geneva! God bless!

[21:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Geneva

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[21:36] <light2-VHL> bye Milly

[21:36] <light2-VHL> God Bless

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it's very exciting - I'm on the edge of my seat in anticipation each day

[21:37] <called_out-VHL> 10Bye Milly and Geneva

[21:37] <light2-VHL> Hope so Geneva, God Bless

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[21:37] <VCI-Bob> and REALLY LONGING to go back to Israel

[21:37] <light2-VHL> I feel like I am in a HOLD mode

[21:38] <light2-VHL> Don't know what to do

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> why is that, Light?

[21:38] <called_out-VHL> 10The first thing I do each am is get coffee and rush to the net to see what happened during the night in Israel.

[21:38] <light2-VHL> I don't want to be like a deer caught in headlights

[21:38] <light2-VHL> But that is the way I feel

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> tell us

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Me too, Called :)

[21:38] <light2-VHL> Because I feel like it is so close

[21:39] <light2-VHL> But I can't tell exactly what

[21:39] <called_out-VHL> 10I feel some of that too Light

[21:39] <light2-VHL> Does anyone else feel this way

[21:39] <light2-VHL> You too called

[21:39] <light2-VHL> At least I am not crazy

[21:39] <MountainDew-VHL513> 4yes

[21:39] <light2-VHL> ( well)

[21:39] <light2-VHL> Maybe just a touch

[21:39] <Kathy-VHL> at times I do but I think it is all the suspension

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Yes - here's what may happen very soon.... this is just conjecture.....

[21:40] <called_out-VHL> 10listening Bob

[21:40] <Kathy-VHL> it is like being on a roller coaster up and down

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> A war, Israel against Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestinians, maybe also Iraq and Saudi Arabia

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> the destruction of Damascus

[21:40] <light2-VHL> OH boy

[21:40] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Eze 38

[21:40] <light2-VHL> here we go

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Israel regaining land in Lebanon and the east bank

[21:41] <MountainDew-VHL513> 4then Russia and Iran? Gog Magog?

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> the destruction of the Dome of the Rock

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> personally, I don't see that in the current scenario, either Russia or Eze 38... just my opinion, of course

[21:42] <MountainDew-VHL513> 4i mean after that

[21:42] <Nina-VHL> Now tell me one more time when the Arab summitt is

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> that seems to be later, yes

[21:42] <light2-VHL> So is that not nescessarily in that order?

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> This weekend

[21:42] <light2-VHL> Those things you mentioned?

[21:42] <Nina-VHL> OOOOO

[21:42] <liz-VHL> iraq will be there bob

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> In that order, yes

[21:42] <liz-VHL> tariq aziz

[21:42] <light2-VHL> whoa, alot to think and pray about for sure

[21:43] <Nina-VHL> Where at?

[21:43] <liz-VHL> hey bob you know what i saw on the news

[21:43] <light2-VHL> I have a good question Bob

[21:43] <MountainDew-VHL513> 4Israel could probably whip them all....

[21:43] <called_out-VHL> 10makes you wonder what could happen for Israell to be mad enough to destroy Demascus

[21:43] <liz-VHL> no probably too it md

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> Liz, I read an analysis of Psalm 83 a few days ago, and that person saw Iraq in this upcoming war based on that Scripture

[21:43] <MountainDew-VHL513> 4at last the countries around them

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Light?

[21:43] <light2-VHL> What do we do if our nation turns against Israel, do we leave ,, and where would we go?

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> Called out, probably the use or threat of chemical or biological weapons against the cities

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> Good question - I have no idea :)

[21:44] <called_out-VHL> 10yes...God have Mercy

[21:44] <Kathy-VHL> our nation will turn against Israel Light

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> I guess we will have to ask the Lord what to do if that happens

[21:44] <light2-VHL> Called out maybe Israel won't destroy Demascus, maybe some other Arab country will make a boo boo

[21:44] <Nina-VHL> Where are they going to hold the Arab summit

[21:44] <liz-VHL> bob you know the other day i was watching news and arafat and mubarak were sitting in chairs

[21:44] <liz-VHL> a table was in between them

[21:44] <called_out-VHL> 10Good point Light

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz?

[21:44] <light2-VHL> Maybe these nations will blow themselves off the map

[21:44] <liz-VHL> you know what was on that table

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> what?

[21:45] <light2-VHL> They are in to suicide bombings

[21:45] <liz-VHL> a gun i thoughtn that was weird

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> probably Arafat's - he carries one around usually

[21:45] <liz-VHL> there was some flowers and a gun

[21:45] <Nina-VHL> too bad they didn't use it on each other

[21:45] <liz-VHL> oh okay

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> Nina! :)

[21:45] <Nina-VHL> Sorry

[21:46] <Nina-VHL> My ugly side showed

[21:46] <light2-VHL> Be nice Nina, he may be reading this

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> LOL - Arafat reads this? :)

[21:46] <light2-VHL> We pray you get saved Mr Arafat

[21:46] <liz-VHL> hey i am trying to get to israel right now with my frying pan to bop barak on his head

[21:46] <called_out-VHL> 10Everyone may be reading this :)

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Hey, along that line, I have been posting appropriate Bible verse on the PA official website :)

[21:46] <called_out-VHL> 10liz :>

[21:46] <elinor-VHL> my ugly side's been showin A LOT lately:-)

[21:47] <light2-VHL> OH Bob They may come looking for you

[21:47] <Nina-VHL> I think that there is programs that zero in on these types of conversations using key words. Israel, war, Arab, etc.....

[21:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Do they let them stay there, Bob.

[21:47] <light2-VHL> Hear is a word for them

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Yes, usually, Bez

[21:47] <Nina-VHL> They may find Stan.

[21:47] <light2-VHL> well , I repented of it

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Oh dear - folks, we cannot let fear enter into our decisions :)

[21:47] <Nina-VHL> JESUS CAN SAVE EVEN ARAFAT,, hope he gets that one

[21:47] <light2-VHL> Love our enemies

[21:48] <light2-VHL> Yes He can

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> God's servants are invulnerable until the day when HE decides to take them home

[21:48] <light2-VHL> He could even save the Pope, if he would repent and step down from the phoney office

[21:48] <Nina-VHL> amen light

[21:48] <light2-VHL> Amen Bob

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> I saw him on TV today - he looks very frail, very close to the end

[21:49] <light2-VHL> I felt sorry for him

[21:49] <Nina-VHL> Yes, they say the pope's really ill.

[21:49] <light2-VHL> but then I read about the St Bartholomew massacres and thought it was as bad as what hitler did

[21:49] <Kathy-VHL> watdh out for the new one

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> ok - before I call it a night - any specific Bible passages anyone wants to look at?

[21:50] <light2-VHL> Just as bad in Gods eyes

[21:50] <Nina-VHL> I know light, that is why the pope's visit to Jerusalem was an attempt to make ammends

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[21:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2He also made a bid to take over Temple Mount.

[21:50] <light2-VHL> Well could Hitler make amends?

[21:51] <light2-VHL> I wish but I don't think so

[21:51] <called_out-VHL> 10I must go...getting tired. Goodnight dear friends, Gob bless you all :)

[21:51] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Called.

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[21:51] <Nina-VHL> Nite called God Bless

[21:51] <light2-VHL> We man has done that great an evil, it may be too much

[21:51] <light2-VHL> when

[21:51] <light2-VHL> Nite Called God Bless

[21:51] <Nina-VHL> Bob, you come up with one. Scripture that is

[21:51] <liz-VHL> yeah bob

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Remember how we discussed some time ago how a new wave of anti-semitism might lead to increased aliyah to Israel from Jews?

[21:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2When the Lord uses someone for his purposes, such as Pharoah, Nebechenezzar (sp?), etc. is there hope for them?

[21:52] <liz-VHL> yeah brother

[21:52] <light2-VHL> ? don't know bez

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> It seems not, Bez... but there was one very notable exception to that

[21:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Cyrus?

[21:53] <light2-VHL> Did he do evil?

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> yes, that's a good one....

[21:53] <Nina-VHL> God knows that they wouldn't have done it anyway, that is why he used them

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> but I was thinking of....

[21:53] <Kathy-VHL> there was hope for them untill God hardened His heart against them

[21:53] <light2-VHL> do you mean would have?

[21:54] <light2-VHL> Some vessels are made for destruction

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> King Manassah, who was the worst king and the one who took the Lord to the breaking point ... even he repented later, and the Lord had mercy on him

[21:54] <Kathy-VHL> He gave Pharo 7 chances

[21:54] <light2-VHL> God is the potter and we are only clay vessels

[21:54] <Nina-VHL> Wouldn't have repented is what I meant

[21:54] <liz-VHL> bye all love you thanks bob

[21:54] <liz-VHL> see ya next week

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Bye Liz! Shalom to you!!

[21:54] <Nina-VHL> Nite liz and God Bless

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> We'll look for you :)

[21:54] <Kathy-VHL> nite Liz

[21:55] <liz-VHL> okay :) :) :) :)

[21:55] <Nina-VHL> Now, Bob, back to the antisemitism

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2By e Liz

[21:55] <light2-VHL> nite Liz God Bless

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[21:55] <VCI-Bob> yes, Nina - sadly, we are seeing an increase already in anti-semitic incidents

[21:55] <elinor-VHL> Thanks Bob and:-) all! God bless you...elinor

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> and I think it may increase greatly

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> See ya, Elinor!

[21:56] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Elinor

[21:56] <light2-VHL> Why is it that everyone wants to hate the Jews so much?

[21:56] <light2-VHL> I don't understand it

[21:56] <Nina-VHL> Nite Elinor, God Bless

[21:56] <light2-VHL> Nite Elinor

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, 'Give them up!' and to the south, 'Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth (Isaiah 43:5-6 NIV)

[21:56] <light2-VHL> It must be something that Satan puts in their hearts

[21:57] <Nina-VHL> agreed light

[21:57] <Kathy-VHL> I think it is because of the attitude they have against others

[21:57] <light2-VHL> It makes me sad

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> This is God speaking to the various regions on earth, commanding them to send the Jews back to Israel :)

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[21:57] <VCI-Bob> Which we have seen fulfilled before our eyes, but there is more to come

[21:57] <light2-VHL> Bob do you still think that only a remnant will be saved?

[21:58] <Nina-VHL> And they have been for 50 years now. Do you think that will increase soon.

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> Light, the Bible says in some places "a remnant will be saved

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> "

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> that is historically the case, only a few Jews have put their faith in Messiah

[21:58] <light2-VHL> I know does that not grieve your heart for some though

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> BUT......

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> it also says "all Israel will be saved" - in the future

[21:59] <Nina-VHL> True

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Shelly!

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[21:59] <light2-VHL> Do you think that includes us too?

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> no

[21:59] <light2-VHL> All of us together?

[21:59] <shelly-VHL> hello!

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> In the context, it's clearly speaking of Israel, not us

[22:00] <Nina-VHL> Gotta go and get some things done. Must get up at 5 God Bless Y'All

[22:00] <light2-VHL> Bye Nina, God Bless

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Blessings to you, Nina! Shalom!

[22:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night, Nina, nice seeing you again.

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> We have such a great group of people who join us regularly here!!!

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> What a blessing!

[22:00] <light2-VHL> Will sign off tonight too, God Bless you all and Thanks Bob

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Night, Light! Shalom!

[22:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night, Light.

[22:01] <Kathy-VHL> it is really great Bob

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[22:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And more and more are coming each week.

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> And nary a troublemaker in sight - very rare

[22:01] <Kathy-VHL> Bob do you ever observe in any of the Jewish chat rooms

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> Not lately, Kathy - I used to - do you?

[22:01] <Kathy-VHL> it is so sad to listen to them

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> yes

[22:02] <Kathy-VHL> yes I have been

[22:02] <Kathy-VHL> it is also sad to see the christians trying to cram it down their throats

[22:02] <Kathy-VHL> that is not the way to win them

[22:02] <shelly-VHL> is jesus coming very soon in your opinion bob?

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> yes, I know - it's horrible the demeanor of some who call themselves Christians

[22:03] <Kathy-VHL> the christians go in and try to preach to them which makes them even more resistant

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> If I were a Jew in those chat rooms, I'd be disgusted by many of the "Christians"

[22:03] <Kathy-VHL> me too and I am myself disgusted with some of them

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Shelly, yes - if for no other reason, than He said "I am coming soon!" :)

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> But Shelly, events are really shaping up fast in the Holy Land

[22:04] <shelly-VHL> im just a little anxious!

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Anxious, like anticipating, or anxious, worried?

[22:04] <shelly-VHL> all eyes are definately on Israel

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> Yes, just as He said they would be

[22:05] <shelly-VHL> anxious as in looking forward to

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> Yes, amen - I was reading in 2 Timothy today about those who "love His appearing"

[22:05] <shelly-VHL> this life is a real struggle sometimes

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[22:05] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it can be, huh

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> Hello, Renee!

[22:05] <renee-VHL> Hi

[22:06] <renee-VHL> Does Israel have any peace yet?

[22:06] <Kathy-VHL> such a wonderful time to live

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> Here's a good verse for you, Shelly

[22:06] <shelly-VHL> can't wait to be with Jesus and watch satan go down

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> This is what Jesus says to you:

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> 'In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me' I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy. A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world. So with you: Now is your time of grief, but I will see you again and you will rejoice, and no one

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> will take away your joy.

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> Renee, no, not yet - there are many who want to destroy Israel

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[22:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That is great, Bob. What is the reference.

[22:08] <Kathy-VHL> take away your joy Bob?

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> John 16:19-23

[22:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Thank you.

[22:08] <Kathy-VHL> oh I see now Bob I missed the You at the end of the paragraph

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> In that day, Kathy, when we see Him, no one will take away our joy :)

[22:09] <Kathy-VHL> I was reading it wrong I was reading it without the "You"

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:09] <Kathy-VHL> my eyes skipped the "you"

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> OK folks, time for me to call it a night

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> Thanks for another wonderful chat!

[22:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Bob...I'll be leaving now also.

[22:10] <Kathy-VHL> Well thanks again Bob and good night with blessings

[22:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2This was one of the most spirited (in both senses) in awhile.

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> Trust in the Lord with all your heart!

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez

[22:11] <shelly-VHL> night bob! will talk with you next weekkkkk

[22:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> Night, Shelly :)

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[22:11] <VCI-Bob> Night Kathy!

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> Shalom! :)

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