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[19:48] <VCI-Bob> Shalom!

[19:49] <called-out-VHL> 10Hi Bob, Shalom :)

[19:49] <VCI-Bob> Hi Called-out, and Kathy!

[19:49] <called-out-VHL> 10I will wait until the others arrive to ask how things are in Israel

[19:49] <called-out-VHL> 10Hi Kathy :)

[19:50] <VCI-Bob> How are you tonight?

[19:50] <called-out-VHL> 10Great! How are you?

[19:51] <VCI-Bob> Very good, thanks!

[19:51] <called-out-VHL> 10I came early, wanted to get a good seat.

[19:52] <VCI-Bob> I see! And you did! :)

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[19:53] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Lana!

[19:53] <called-out-VHL> 10yes, right up front where I can see, I am not very tall 5', so I need to sit in the front lol

[19:53] <VCI-Bob> :)

[19:53] <called-out-VHL> 10Hi Lana

[19:53] <Lana-VHL> 7Hi !

[19:54] <VCI-Bob> Welcome to a very special edition of Bible Prophecy Chat here at VHL!

[19:54] <Lana-VHL> 7What's the latest discussion?

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[19:54] <VCI-Bob> Tonight, I am chatting live from Jerusalem!

[19:54] <VCI-Bob> We are just getting started, Lana

[19:54] <Barbara-VHL> Shalom, Bob.....:o :o

[19:54] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Barbara!

[19:54] <called-out-VHL> 10Hi Barbara :)

[19:54] <Barbara-VHL> Talk top us!!!!! Tell us EVERYTHING!!!!

[19:55] <VCI-Bob> Well, I'm here in Stan's living room.....

[19:55] <called-out-VHL> 10Have you been frightened?

[19:55] <VCI-Bob> which is located in a Jewish neighborhood of Jerusalem called Abu Tor

[19:55] <VCI-Bob> No, I have not, but my wife has had some apprehension about the events

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> Stan's house is located just south of the Old City

[19:56] <called-out-VHL> 10I can certainly understand that.

[19:56] <Barbara-VHL> 4I am so pleased for you that yuou are able to be there at this exciting time!!

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> there have not been any problems here at this location

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> thanks, Barbara - I feel very priviledged to be here right now as these things are happening

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[19:58] <VCI-Bob> I got disconnected :)

[19:58] <called-out-VHL> 10That's OK, Barbara, good to see you here :)

[19:58] <Barbara-VHL> 4He's still listed...

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Here I am :)

[19:59] <Barbara-VHL> 4Good to be here....HAD to hear what Bob would have to tell us

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> We have had to severely curtail our travel plans because of the violence

[19:59] <called-out-VHL> 10Me too, been looking forward to it all week.

[19:59] <Barbara-VHL> 4:9

[19:59] <Barbara-VHL> 4:-(

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> have not been able to venture out beyond Jerusalem

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> but it has been fascinating to me

[20:00] <called-out-VHL> 10That's a shame, maybe you can come back again

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> yes, called-out, I hope to :)

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> not far from Stan's house....

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> perhaps 100 yards away....

[20:00] <Barbara-VHL> 4What has been your greatest sight so far?

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> is an overlook where we can see the Old City

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> it's a spectatular view

[20:01] <Barbara-VHL> 4How wonderful!!

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> spectacular

[20:01] <Barbara-VHL> 4Takie pictures!!!

[20:01] <called-out-VHL> 10:-)

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Oh, we have - many :)

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> As we look from that place....

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> the Mount of Olives is to the right, and moving leftward, the Kidron Valley, then the Temple Mount

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> and we can see beyond to Mount Scopus

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[20:03] <VCI-Bob> it's quite a sight!

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Bez!

[20:03] <Barbara-VHL> 4I remember!!!

[20:03] <called-out-VHL> 10Hi Bez :)

[20:03] <Barbara-VHL> 4Hi Bez..

[20:03] <Bezalel-VHL> Hi Bob, and all!

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> And Stan's narration of the panarama is excellent :)

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> The most moving experience for me was going to the Western Wall

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> the Temple Mount has been closed to tourists because of the violence

[20:04] <Barbara-VHL> 4Ah yes.... did you place a prayer in the wall?

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> no, I didn't place one in the wall, but sent a few skyward as I stood there :)

[20:05] <Barbara-VHL> 4:-)

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Seeing it for the first time was very emotional for me

[20:06] <Barbara-VHL> 4Yes.....

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[20:06] <Bezalel-VHL> Too bad you're not able to go onto Temple Mount.

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> I thought of this Scripture as we stood back at a distance at first:

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> But you, O LORD, sit enthroned forever; your renown endures through all generations. (Psalms 102:12 NIV)

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> You will arise and have compassion on Zion, for it is time to show favor to her; the appointed time has come. (Psalms 102:13 NIV)

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> For her stones are dear to your servants; her very dust moves them to pity. (Psalms 102:14 NIV)

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> The nations will fear the name of the LORD, all the kings of the earth will revere your glory. (Psalms 102:15 NIV)

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> For the LORD will rebuild Zion and appear in his glory. (Psalms 102:16 NIV)

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[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Farrell and Milly!

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Notice verse 13

[20:07] <Barbara-VHL> 4Amen!!

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> "it is time"

[20:07] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom Bob. Glad to see you in Israel. Am I Envious!!

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Thanks, Farrell - yes, it's a terrific experience

[20:07] <milly-VHL> Hi, Bob & everyone

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Hi milly!

[20:08] <Barbara-VHL> 4Hi milly...farrell...

[20:08] <called-out-VHL> 10Hi Farrell, Hi Milly :)

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> There is a real sense of fear in the country now

[20:08] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Bob and everyone I was away for a few minutes

[20:08] <farrell-VHL> 2Hey, verse 15 above is WONDERFUL. "the nations will fear the name of the LORD." isn'that a great promise?

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> the Israelis apprehensive about what will haoppen

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> yes, it is, Farrell!!

[20:09] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi called, Milly

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> All of these events are being orchestrated by the Lord for His glory!

[20:09] <farrell-VHL> 2Praise Him above all the earth:)

[20:09] <Barbara-VHL> 4In spite of what many people think....

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> So that the nations, and so that Israel, will "know that He is Yahweh"

[20:09] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi Barbara:)

[20:10] <Barbara-VHL> 4Praise our Almighty G'd!!

[20:10] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi Kathy:)

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Amen!

[20:10] <Barbara-VHL> 4Hi farrell..

[20:10] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi Bez:)

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> Hi Farrell

[20:10] <Lana-VHL> 7and soon we all escape on a cloud

[20:10] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Farrell

[20:10] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi Kathy:)

[20:11] <milly-VHL> What are you doing there, Bob...are you on vacation?

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Yes, vacation, though I don't really view it as such

[20:11] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, has the atmosphere calmed down any at all?

[20:12] <milly-VHL> I so want to get over there!! Maybe next year

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Farrell, a little bit on Thursday, but there are still reports of violence in various places

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Tomorrow will be the indicator of where things are going

[20:12] <milly-VHL> What do you see in the streets..what's going on?

[20:12] <farrell-VHL> 2How's that?

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> The Palestinians had designated as the "day of rage"

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> in Jerusalem

[20:13] <Lana-VHL> 7Are the people carrying on their normal lives...shopping, etc.?

[20:13] <Barbara-VHL> 4Is there any thoughts that the proposed "Day of Rage" will turn to other than a peaceful march?

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lana, and Milly - today my wife and I were at a large shopping mall....

[20:13] <farrell-VHL> 2Are the Arab citizens supporting the Palestinians in this effort?

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> and the employee at the jewelry store told us she had not slept much....

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> because of stonings all night in her neighborhood

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Farrell, they are

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Barbara, the police are planning for large scale violence tomorrow

[20:14] <Lana-VHL> 7Actual stonings or what?

[20:14] <Kathy-VHL> they must have a lot of rocks over there Bob

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> stoning cars, etc

[20:15] <farrell-VHL> 2What about the Christian Arabs. How do they feel, can you tell?

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[20:15] <VCI-Bob> I'm not sure, Farrell...

[20:15] <Barbara-VHL> 4oh my.....We will be in prayer for you and the City...

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[20:15] <VCI-Bob> but let me tell you about a conversation I had

[20:15] <Kathy-VHL> it is sometimes hard to find a rock in our cities

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> on Wednesday....

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> my wife and I went into the Old City

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> many of the Arab shops were closed because of a protest strike

[20:16] <Annie-VHL> shalom all

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> but we went into several, and talked to the owner

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Shalom :)

[20:16] <Barbara-VHL> 4:-)

[20:16] <Bezalel-VHL> Hi Annie and Adonijah.

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Each time, I would ask "what do you think will happen?"

[20:16] <milly-VHL> Hi, Annie

[20:16] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi Annie and Adonijah:)

[20:16] <Adonijah-VHL> hi

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> This one man, a Palestinian, answered....

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> "this will end when we take care of the Jews, after we have kicked them out of our land"

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> I asked "You mean, the West Bank"?

[20:17] <Bezalel-VHL> Did you hurt your tongue when you bit it?

[20:17] <farrell-VHL> 2That seems to be the only solution they will consider doesn't it?

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> He said, "No, all of Palestine - it's ours and we will kick them out"

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> I said "What happens to the Jews then?"

[20:18] <Annie-VHL> I believe that's on their agenda

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> He said, "They can go back to Europe or wherever they came from"

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Bez, if I had been with Stan, perhaps I would have engaged the discussion....

[20:19] <Barbara-VHL> 4What a surprise he has coming!!

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[20:19] <called-out-VHL> 10When are you planning to go back to the states? Will you have any problems getting out of Israel?

[20:19] <farrell-VHL> 2Amen Barbara:)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> but as it was, my wife was worried that we not get into an argument :)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Yes, indeed, Barbara

[20:19] <farrell-VHL> 2Wise wife, Bob.

[20:19] <Annie-VHL> Good thinking

[20:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2She must know best...it could be pretty volitile.

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Called, we fly out on Monday evening the ninth

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> In the Old City....

[20:20] <Kathy-VHL> always listen to wife Bob

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> we had to be very careful where we went

[20:20] <called-out-VHL> 10wives know best :)

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> we did not venture into the Muslim Quarter

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> but tomorrow morning, Stan and I are going out early

[20:20] <Annie-VHL> They are claiming that Fri. (tommorow) all things wil break out

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> into the Old City

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> yes, Annie

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> I would say to you all, PRAY - God is behind this, and we may see surprising things happen

[20:21] <Annie-VHL> we must pray for your saftey

[20:21] <farrell-VHL> 2Remember, Bob, that you and Stan will have the Holy Spirit with you and in you:)

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> we will be safe, Annie, but thank you :)

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Yes, indeed, Farrell!

[20:21] <Barbara-VHL> 4His will WILL be done!! Amen!!

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> I have confidence in the Lord

[20:22] <called-out-VHL> 10amen

[20:22] <Barbara-VHL> 4Amen...

[20:22] <milly-VHL> What is your plan? What will you two do?

[20:22] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Every day, when reading the news, I see His hand moving the pieces about the board....

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> He plans to take me some places that we have not been, I'm not sure where, in the Old City....

[20:22] <Barbara-VHL> 4:-)

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Tomorrow...

[20:23] <farrell-VHL> 2Isn't it exciting Bez? :)

[20:23] <Annie-VHL> you are so-o right Bez

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> is the Arab holy day, when they go to the mosques in the morning

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> typically, their "preachers" incite the crowd to hatred and violence

[20:24] <Annie-VHL> all this is all over our papers and on the news

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> yes, it's very exciting... however, being here...

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> you get a strong sense of the fear of the Israelis

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> The timing of this is perhaps very significant

[20:25] <Barbara-VHL> 4It's such a shame they don't know their future....in Jehovah....their Protection!!

[20:25] <Annie-VHL> God wants their attention and waits for them to call on HIM

[20:25] <cocoon-VHL> 6Is that a Physical or Spiritual Fear of the Israelis?

[20:25] <Kathy-VHL> God speaks of their fear because He tells them to fear not

[20:25] <farrell-VHL> 2Oh I pray that the Israelis will begin to fear their God rather than fear the Arabs.

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> these are the 10 "days of awe" between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> yes, Annie

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> physical, I would say, cocoon

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> yes, Farrell

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Yom Kippur starts Sunday evening

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> these "days of awe" are days of reflection

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> and repentence

[20:26] <cocoon-VHL> 6How are the Holy Days being celebrated/rmembered with the tension there?

[20:26] <Kathy-VHL> Question Bob

[20:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 2When you say tomorrow, Bob, are you referring to Friday or Saturday?

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Cocoon, it's interesting...

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> Yom Kippur is the only feast day remembered by almost all Jews here, religous and not

[20:27] <cocoon-VHL> 6Do they still fast?

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> most people fast all day, and no one drives on the roads

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> tomorrow is Friday, Bez :) even though it's Friday AM here

[20:28] <cocoon-VHL> 6Do Arabs have any respect for that?

[20:28] <farrell-VHL> 2Are they expecting any attacks of any sort on Yom Kippur?

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> no, Cocoon

[20:28] <Kathy-VHL> I was speaking with a Jew yesterday and was told that the Torah was different than our old Test, I thought it was the same

[20:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Thanks

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> I don't know, Farrell - this US has closed all embassies in the Mideast until Tuesday

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> The Torah is the first five books, the books of Moses

[20:29] <Annie-VHL> I heard about that Bob

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[20:29] <VCI-Bob> though sometimes the term is used in a broader sense to refer to the entire Hebrew Bible

[20:29] <Kathy-VHL> does it say the exact same things

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> Yes

[20:30] <Kathy-VHL> thanks

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> sure :)

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Let me tell you....

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Stan's family is marvelous :)

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> He's a terrific guy, and his wife Franny is a priceless gem :)

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> and they have four very pleasant, well-behaved, beautiful children

[20:31] <Annie-VHL> are you all staying in a hotel or what"

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> no, we are staying at Stan's house

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> which is where I am now

[20:31] <Barbara-VHL> 4Could have figured that!!....:-(

[20:31] <farrell-VHL> 2Jan is the baby, right? What are the others' names?

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> Yossi, Daniel, and Emma

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> I'm chatting from Stan's living room right now

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> in a neighborhood named Abu Tor

[20:32] <farrell-VHL> 2only one girl?

[20:32] <Annie-VHL> What a thrill

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> the roads here in Jerusalem are difficult to navigate....

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> yes, only one

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> When we arrived Sunday night....

[20:33] <milly-VHL> Is this your first time there

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> we had a little trouble finding his house....

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> yes, milly, first time....

[20:33] <farrell-VHL> 2What is the neighborhood like. Do they walk to shopping or do they have to drive far?

[20:33] <cocoon-VHL> 6Does Jerusalem Swell isin Size from Jews coming for Yom Kippur?

[20:33] <milly-VHL> how exciting

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Abu Tor, the Jewish part, is adjacent to an Arab neighborhood

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> when we got here Sunday night...

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> we drove into the Arab part

[20:34] <called-out-VHL> 10:0

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> and I could see that there had been rioting there.... remnants of debris on the road, etc

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> and a number of Israeli soldiers in the vicinity

[20:34] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-O

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> and we heard a small rock hit the car

[20:35] <called-out-VHL> 10:-O

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> it was an exciting entrance :)

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[20:35] <Annie-VHL> scary

[20:35] <milly-VHL> how do you & Stan know each other?

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> Milly, we met from VHL

[20:35] <farrell-VHL> 2sounds scary:(

[20:35] <Kathy-VHL> Bob is it real rocky over there

[20:35] <milly-VHL> WOW

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> The neighborhood is very nice......

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> a little park near there home...

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> and many people walk around

[20:36] <cocoon-VHL> 6Do they speak English ?

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> there is little crime, and normally you can be on the streets at all hours

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> many of them do, Cocoon

[20:36] <milly-VHL> we still want to know where all the rocks come from :)

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Kathy, the topography is so distinct here

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> it's one of the most striking things

[20:37] <Kathy-VHL> yea

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Jerusalem is very hilly

[20:37] <Barbara-VHL> 4milly...it's a land of stone and rock. All the beautiful buildings are made from stone...

[20:37] <Annie-VHL> I saw on t.v. them bringing in wheelbarrels of rocks to the young Arabs

[20:37] <milly-VHL> thanks

[20:37] <Kathy-VHL> it must be like country here

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Milly, in some places the Palestinians pile up rocks in anticipation, like last Friday

[20:37] <milly-VHL> yikes

[20:38] <Kathy-VHL> not cement and asphalt

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> when they came out of the Al Asqa mosque on Temple Mount on Friday...

[20:38] <Barbara-VHL> 4No!!....much more beautiful than that!!:-)

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> there were piles of rocks waiting for them to throw at Jews on the Western Wall plaza below

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> the scenery is incredible here

[20:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2But, they say they didn't plan it....

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> everywhere you do

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> go

[20:39] <Kathy-VHL> Rock throwing is so unique to that part of the world I cant remember when I have seen anyone throw a rock at somebody

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> they did, Bez

[20:39] <farrell-VHL> 2Are you going to get up into the Galilee area?

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> but the difference between this and the Intifada of the past....

[20:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Not according to Albright.

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[20:39] <VCI-Bob> is now they have guns, thanks to the "peace process"

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Farrell, we have not been able to get to any other parts of the country

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> because of the violence

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> every direction there are problems

[20:40] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I saw a couple of articles where the PA security was firing at Israeli counterparts.

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> yes, Bez, that is commonplace

[20:40] <farrell-VHL> 2That's a shame Bob. Maybe next time. It is really beautiful country too.:)

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Yes, next time :)

[20:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2When we gather to build the temple.

[20:41] <milly-VHL> There are some great videos of Israel at the Bridges for Peace website

[20:41] <farrell-VHL> 2Yes Bez:)

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> thanks, Milly!

[20:41] <Barbara-VHL> 4:-)

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> We have not really covered any Bible Prophecy yet tonight....

[20:42] <cocoon-VHL> 6Do you have a different/stronger of fulfillment of prophecy being there? If so, what are you experiencing in your spirit?

[20:42] <Annie-VHL> I read on VHL today that they are calling for them to stop throwing stones and use knoves or whatever

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> good question, Cocoon

[20:42] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, do you recall where the Scripture is that you gave Bez that said strangers were going to build the temple?

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> I feel a sense of anticipation myself, that something, I don't know what, will happen the next few days

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> on the larger picture, it could end in full scale war

[20:44] <cocoon-VHL> 6Is that a positive or negative "something".

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Lebanon and Syria especially are making hostile noises

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Positive, cocoon, from my perspective, because all of this is God's doing to bring about His purposes...

[20:44] <cocoon-VHL> 6Are Jordan and Egypt less hostile?

[20:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hussein made some pretty drastic remarks, also.

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> but negative, perhaps, for those living here

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> oh, Bez?

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[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Cocoon, no, not really, though Muburak has attempted to act as an intermediary

[20:45] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I saw one statement from him, that if the Arabs couldn't resolve the issues, give him a patch of land to launch from, and he would "end" Zionism.

[20:46] <farrell-VHL> 2What kind of influence does France seem to be having?

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> Could it be, that there is prophetic significance to this happening on Rosh Hashanah through Yom Kippur?

[20:46] <milly-VHL> Whoa...end Zionism, how?

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> wow, Bez

[20:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I read an implied threat in that statement.

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> France, Farrell, has been extremely anti-Israel in this

[20:46] <Kathy-VHL> I read that too Bez

[20:46] <farrell-VHL> 2Seems like it has happened before that disasters happen during Holy Days?

[20:47] <cocoon-VHL> 6God is God of the symbolic and often uses the important days (To Him) for BIG events!

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> yes, Cocoon

[20:47] <farrell-VHL> 2I was afraid that was the way France was positioned. Hostile to Israel.

[20:47] <Kathy-VHL> Bob tell us how it is significant

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> and I know it is not accident that we are here at this time - not that I am anyone important, but God has allowed us to be here now

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Kathy, I don't know - we will know by Monday, huh? :)

[20:48] <farrell-VHL> 2God is so full of grace isn't he Bob? :)

[20:48] <Barbara-VHL> 4I weould say you are quite blesssed, Bob...

[20:48] <Kathy-VHL> :-)

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> yes, we are blessed :)

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> Franny (Stan's wife) and Bo (my wife) of course view it differently....

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> because of the uncertainty of what could happen

[20:50] <Annie-VHL> I feel blessed to be here talking to all of you that God has brought here to pray for HIS land

[20:50] <farrell-VHL> 2Do you have children with you Bob?

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> yes, Annie - prayer is so urgent now

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> no, Farrell

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> but Stan has four small children

[20:51] <Barbara-VHL> 4But G'd has a plan for your lives that has been in place since before you were born!

[20:51] <Barbara-VHL> 4This is just part of it..

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> yes, certainly!!! :)

[20:51] <farrell-VHL> 2Amen Barbara:) Are we not happy that is true:)

[20:51] <Kathy-VHL> :-)

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Farell....

[20:52] <Barbara-VHL> 4So, worry is not necessary!! :-)

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> here is the answer to your question:

[20:52] <Annie-VHL> :-):-)

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Those who are far away will come and help to build the temple of the LORD, and you will know that the LORD Almighty has sent me to you. This will happen if you diligently obey the LORD your God." (Zechariah 6:15 NIV)

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> I agree, Barbara :)

[20:52] <farrell-VHL> 2Thanks:)

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> there are a few others I have seen also along that line, Farrell

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[20:53] <cocoon-VHL> 6Did you open with prayer or should/could we do that now?

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Catalina!

[20:53] <Catalina-VHL> Hello all

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Cocoon, yes, go ahead :)

[20:53] <Annie-VHL> shalom Catalina

[20:53] <Catalina-VHL> I am a newbie on here, just found out aboutt his site, this is really nice

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> We are glad you came!

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[20:53] <called-out-VHL> 10Welcome Catalina :)

[20:54] <cocoon-VHL> 6Father, show us your heart for Israel right now and how we can pray with the Resurrection power of Your Son

[20:54] <Annie-VHL> where are you from?

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> This is a very special edition - I'm live in Jerusalem

[20:54] <Barbara-VHL> 4Thank you, L'rd Jesus, for this incredible opportunity that you have given to Bob and his wife.

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lord

[20:54] <Kathy-VHL> Yes glad you are here Catalina

[20:54] <Catalina-VHL> I know everyone gets tired of questions like this but where is everyone from? I am from Caldwell, Texas

[20:54] <Barbara-VHL> 4Keep them under your wings as they journey in your Holy City

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[20:54] <Barbara-VHL> 4Keep your love strong upon Stan, Franny and his lovely family

[20:55] <cocoon-VHL> 6We ask Your will to be done and not our own desires.

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[20:55] <Pammi-VHL> Ohhh, i missed most of this. I was thinking 8:00 Central. Oh me, oh my. :(

[20:55] <Annie-VHL> Put a hedge around them and Angels to protect them

[20:55] <Kathy-VHL> Yes Father

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Pammi!

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[20:55] <Pammi-VHL> thank you

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Lord, we pray that you would do your work here in Israel

[20:55] <Annie-VHL> shalom Pammi

[20:55] <Barbara-VHL> 4Thank you for VHL and the closeness it brings to people who love You from around the world

[20:56] <farrell-VHL> 2Father, thank you for this opportunity to join with fellow brothers and sisters to pray for Your will to be done.

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> that you would further the process of the restoration of Israel

[20:56] <liz-VHL> i just remebered you a havin chat yippppppeeeeeeee

[20:56] <Catalina-VHL> Is this chat site up 24/7 or at certain times?

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> that you would rise up and take action, to make your name known

[20:56] <cocoon-VHL> 6As Your people come to You on Yom Kippur, may they find the Atonement You Son has already provided for them, not for just a year but for eternity.

[20:56] <Pammi-VHL> Liz, I went to Weekend discussion and love it, thanks.

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Catalina, it's always open, but this is one of the weekly scheduled chats

[20:56] <Barbara-VHL> 4Oh, L'rd, this is such an exciting time...and you have priviliged us with participation in it!!

[20:56] <liz-VHL> you welcome you addicted yet

[20:57] <Kathy-VHL> Yes Father

[20:57] <Catalina-VHL> oh, okay again I think I just happened into it.

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lord God - help us to be listening to your voice as we serve You

[20:57] <Pammi-VHL> yes, I am.... do you leave messages in the forum?

[20:57] <Barbara-VHL> 4Your power is omnipotent...Your knowlege Omnicient...

[20:57] <farrell-VHL> 2Father we praise Your Holy Name and thank You for Your precious promises to Your people Israel as as well as to us, Your holy people.

[20:57] <liz-VHL> all the time

[20:57] <Pammi-VHL> amen

[20:57] <liz-VHL> oops sorry

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Yes, you are the one who formed the world by your power, for your purposes, Lord

[20:58] <Pammi-VHL> Liz, do you go by Elizabeth?

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[20:58] <Catalina-VHL> Besides bob, is there anyone else here from Israel

[20:58] <Barbara-VHL> 4Help us to know your will by the leading of Your Precious Holy Spirit..

[20:58] <Annie-VHL> yes Lord!

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Lord, rise up, rise up!

[20:58] <Pammi-VHL> Yes, Jesus

[20:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2We pray You show the world Your glory

[20:58] <liz-VHL> i am paying attention to prayer all Yes Lord be with your people and protect them

[20:58] <farrell-VHL> 2Keep us obedient to Your will Lord.

[20:58] <milly-VHL> yes, Lord

[20:58] <liz-VHL> yes pammi elisabeth

[20:58] <Barbara-VHL> 4Thank you for yYour Presence here with us tonight, and bless all who are gathered here...

[20:58] <liz-VHL> yes lord

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> May your return hasten, Lord, and may the world be astounded by what you do here!

[20:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2To You belongs eternal praise.

[20:59] <liz-VHL> thank you Lord for choosing us to liv e in these times

[20:59] <Kathy-VHL> conform our wills to Your will Lord

[20:59] <Barbara-VHL> 4We love you, L'rd....Thank you for Your love to us..

[20:59] <Barbara-VHL> 4P{raise you Jesus!!

[20:59] <Catalina-VHL> And forgive us of our sins

[21:00] <liz-VHL> hallelujah

[21:00] <Pammi-VHL> We pray for all the lost souls and that you will lead those to us that you would have us witness to,

[21:00] <farrell-VHL> 2Oh yes, Lord Jesus, come to rule over YOUR kingdom. Come quickly, Lord Jesus

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Catalina, I live in Tampa Florida and usually host this chat from there, but today I am in Jerusalem

[21:00] <Annie-VHL> hallelujaah!!

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lord!

[21:00] <cocoon-VHL> 6All hail the power of Jesus name, let angels prostrate fall. Bring forth the royal diadem and crown Him Lord of all!

[21:00] <liz-VHL> wow bob i am Jealous

[21:00] <Barbara-VHL> 4Yes...Even so, come L'rd Jesus...

[21:00] <Catalina-VHL> What is the atmosphere like there right now?

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Hallelujah!

[21:00] <liz-VHL> what time did you all start

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> A lot of fear, Catalina, and uncertainty

[21:00] <Pammi-VHL> Oh sweet Jesus, we love you and praise your Holy Name!

[21:01] <liz-VHL> what about tomorrow

[21:01] <Annie-VHL> N.Y. here

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> tomorrow has been designated as the "day of rage" by the Palestinians

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> in Jerusalem

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> so.... we will see if the so-called "cease fire" is in effect

[21:01] <Pammi-VHL> Bob, what do you think will happen?

[21:01] <liz-VHL> i jsut read barak has barred the PA from israel i am confused

[21:01] <Catalina-VHL> Is there still fighting going on? I heard on the news that it was not as bad, but you never know. I feel like any spark could set things into chaos

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> but.... today it was broken quite a few times

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[21:02] <VCI-Bob> Liz, that's not unusual.... Arabs from the PA are barred on days like this

[21:02] <Kathy-VHL> Well if they think they know what rage is I think they are in for a lesson in anger God is angry

[21:02] <Catalina-VHL> Why are you over there?

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> yes, there is still fighting

[21:02] <liz-VHL> what areas is it

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[21:02] <VCI-Bob> yes, Kathy, and I'm going ot share a Scripture shortly

[21:03] <liz-VHL> do you think it will be bad BOB

[21:03] <Pammi-VHL> Bob, I have a question that I'm confused about, maybe you can help me. After the rapture of the church, how do the Jews finally come to the realization that Jesus really did come and died on the cross?

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> Why am I here? Vacation, mission, divine providence :)

[21:03] <Catalina-VHL> I would dearly love to visit. Hal Lindsey has a trip planned for next month. I wonder if this is still going on if he will have to cancel it/

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> Liz, it has the possibility to get real bad

[21:03] <liz-VHL> wow so lucky

[21:03] <liz-VHL> how far are you from mount

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> it could lead to all-out war

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Close, Liz - we can walk 100 yards from here to a lookover and see it all clearly

[21:04] <Shem-VHL> Shalom

[21:04] <liz-VHL> i know you are being bombarded with questions so heres mine......where do you think we are in prophecy whats next that you see

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, that's a good question...

[21:04] <Barbara-VHL> 4Shalom, Shem...

[21:04] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi Shem:)

[21:04] <Catalina-VHL> That is what I feel. I don't know about anyone else, but things seem to be really heated up. I feel so bad for the people in Israel. They have been through so much

[21:04] <Annie-VHL> I pray that the fighting will not come close to you all

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> ok, liz, just a second :)

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> thanks Annie

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Catalina

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> First, Pammi's question:

[21:05] <liz-VHL> i am just blown away by headlines the past few months

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Stan and I were talking about that very question tonight

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[21:05] <VCI-Bob> how will they come to the realization the Jesus is their Messiah?

[21:05] <Catalina-VHL> I also feel like, and I am sure others feel this way, that Jesus will return for his people soon. I have this incredible sense of excitement and just can't shake it, but I truly feel the rapture is around the corner

[21:05] <Rich-VHL> 7hello everyone

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Hey there Rich!

[21:06] <Catalina-VHL> does anyone else feel this way

[21:06] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi Rich:)

[21:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Rich

[21:06] <Barbara-VHL> 4Rich...:-)

[21:06] <Rich-VHL> 7I doo catalina

[21:06] <Annie-VHL> Hi there Rich

[21:06] <liz-VHL> hi rich

[21:06] <Pammi-VHL> I also Catalina

[21:06] <Catalina-VHL> and of course the conflict in the middle east just makes me feel that way even more

[21:06] <Kathy-VHL> Me tii Catalina

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> And in general, the answer is, that He will reach out to them in compassion, to open their eyes

[21:06] <Rich-VHL> 7how is everyone tonight

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> as they repent

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> and turn to the Lord their God

[21:07] <Catalina-VHL> It seems like this has started just recently. I wonder if this is the Holy Spirit telling us to get ready

[21:07] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen Bob

[21:07] <Kathy-VHL> the scripture will have new meaning to them dont you think Bob

[21:07] <Pammi-VHL> Do you think he might appear to them?

[21:07] <called-out-VHL> 10Hi Rich :)

[21:07] <Annie-VHL> true true

[21:07] <Kathy-VHL> they will understand the 2 witnesses

[21:07] <Rich-VHL> 7how are you called

[21:07] <Kathy-VHL> and the gospel that is preached from the heavens

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, He will certainly appear to them when He returns in great power and glory

[21:07] <called-out-VHL> 10great thanks :) Rich

[21:07] <Catalina-VHL> I feel that once the 144,000 start preaching during the tribulation, many many jews will turn to the Lord

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> how do you know the 144,000 will be preaching?

[21:08] <Catalina-VHL> does anyone listen to Jack Van Impe?

[21:08] <Rich-VHL> 7I do some catalina

[21:08] <Catalina-VHL> Well, there will be 144,000 chosen during the tribulation

[21:08] <Shem-VHL> it is written that there are those who all themselves what they are not, i wonder if at time we are dealing with they decendants of the hitites, gergashites and jebusites,could they be trying to destroy the chance fr any peace

[21:08] <Pammi-VHL> Yes, that will be a great day for them. But I'm still confused to how they will know. I guess that is a mystery to really know for sure. The Bible doesn't explain that I suppose?

[21:09] <Catalina-VHL> Did anyone listen to J. V, Impe last night?

[21:09] <liz-VHL> bob am i not mistaken you have alot of different interesting views on prophecy so does stan

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> They will know the way all of us came to know - the kindness of the Lord will lead them to repentance :)

[21:09] <Rich-VHL> 7what do you think the 144,000 will be doing Bob

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> I don't know, Rich, I guess the reason I asked is this....

[21:09] <Rich-VHL> 7just wondering

[21:09] <liz-VHL> oh yes that kindeneess it can mend a broken heart

[21:09] <Annie-VHL> Where do you listen to J.V.Impe?

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> we all assume things that are not specifically said in the Scriptures...

[21:10] <Pammi-VHL> on TV or on his internet site

[21:10] <Catalina-VHL> On TBN plus you can listen to it on the internet. His website is JVIM.com

[21:10] <called-out-VHL> 10true Bob

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> because they are repeated by lots of Bible teachers

[21:10] <called-out-VHL> 10tradition

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> it does not say they will be preaching

[21:10] <Rich-VHL> 7I know Bob

[21:10] <liz-VHL> thats true BOB

[21:10] <called-out-VHL> 10we need to take a new look

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> they may, perhaps, but it does not say that

[21:10] <Annie-VHL> O.K. I will try that

[21:10] <Catalina-VHL> The reason I brought Jack Van Impe up is this

[21:10] <liz-VHL> i had so many different views i chuccked them all and started over from scratch

[21:10] <Rich-VHL> 7doesn't it say they will be with Christ

[21:11] <Pammi-VHL> liz, i've seen your postings and wondered if you were "liz", I go by Chayah. So good to have met you.

[21:11] <Catalina-VHL> Okay one more question, then I will get to my point

[21:11] <Catalina-VHL> DOes anyone know who Juan Carlos is

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> Liz, it's a challenge for all of us to understand the prophecies... Stan and I were talking about that tonight also

[21:11] <liz-VHL> i think it will surprise us all how it turns out

[21:11] <Pammi-VHL> He is president of Spain

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> yes, Liz

[21:11] <Rich-VHL> 7the king of spain I think catalina

[21:11] <liz-VHL> Oh chayah you put alot of good news on

[21:11] <Pammi-VHL> yes, king :)

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> Someone asked what I think will happen earlier?

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[21:11] <Pammi-VHL> thanks liz!

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Welcome Yia!

[21:12] <Annie-VHL> I thought that the 144,000 were chosen out before the Rapture

[21:12] <Catalina-VHL> Okay, you do know. Well Jack Van Impe, I nearly fell out of my chair when he said this

[21:12] <liz-VHL> one quick ??? daniel 9:27

[21:12] <Rich-VHL> 7hi yia

[21:12] <yiayia-VHL> Shalom Everyone!!!

[21:12] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom yiayia :)

[21:12] <Catalina-VHL> He was talking about this Juan Carlos

[21:12] <Annie-VHL> shalom Yiayia

[21:12] <called-out-VHL> 10Shalom yiayia :)

[21:12] <Catalina-VHL> He has a lineage sp? that is incredible

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz?

[21:12] <liz-VHL> yeah bob i need to calm my happy typin fingers down

[21:12] <yiayia-VHL> So glad to see everyone here! Bob, glad you are doing well and not in jail! :)

[21:13] <Barbara-VHL> 4shalom, Yiayia...

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[21:13] <liz-VHL> i have heard some different theories on that scripture

[21:13] <Catalina-VHL> Okay, he is militarily strong. He has been in all of the different branches of service, he is of European descent

[21:13] <Catalina-VHL> Remember that Spain was the 11th county to join the EU

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> I'll post it, Liz

[21:13] <liz-VHL> i will stop now start where you were at whats thoughts on next events

[21:13] <Laura-VHL> I'm very confused. What is the significance of Juan Carlos?

[21:14] <Catalina-VHL> and the 11th country was to be a major player with the end times.

[21:14] <Catalina-VHL> Jack Van Impe did not say it in so many words, but he said watch this guy. He did not come right out and say it because we dont know for sure but

[21:14] <liz-VHL> golly i am making no sense

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Laura, sound like speculation that he might be the antichrist - there is not shortage of such speculation

[21:14] <Rich-VHL> 7maybe catalina but the world has to be split up into ten regions first

[21:14] <Catalina-VHL> he says watch this guy because there is a chance he might be the AC

[21:15] <yiayia-VHL> Jack Van Impe is right on....keep your eyes on Spain!

[21:15] <liz-VHL> my guess for AC died

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> personally, I don't engage in that kind of speculation

[21:15] <Barbara-VHL> 4It would seem...that once someone is named...that will automatically disqualify him...:-)

[21:15] <liz-VHL> i dont anymore

[21:15] <milly-VHL> me either

[21:15] <Catalina-VHL> Again, he is not saying it , but keep an eye on him. His lineage, his charisma, many many other things that I cant remember, but you should be able to watch that episode next week on JVIM's website. It gave me goosebumps

[21:15] <Kathy-VHL> It is more than I can do to keep up woth watching Israel

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> we will know who he is when he sets himself up in the Temple as god and declares a death sentence for all Christians

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> yes, Kathy

[21:16] <Rich-VHL> 7yeah Bob won't it be Glorious

[21:16] <Catalina-VHL> Again, I know there is alot of speculation, but for Jack Van Impe to say that, it was incredible.

[21:16] <yiayia-VHL> I'm not saying Juan Carlos is AC, just to keep your eyes on Spain!

[21:16] <liz-VHL> so you think we wwill still be here :)

[21:16] <Catalina-VHL> Exactly, that is my point too.

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> I say, keep your eyes on Israel :)

[21:17] <Catalina-VHL> I am a pre-trib

[21:17] <Shem-VHL> All christians or just those who have not been decieved

[21:17] <liz-VHL> amen brother

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> yes, liz

[21:17] <yiayia-VHL> That too, Bob! :)

[21:17] <Catalina-VHL> Very mucy on Israel

[21:17] <Catalina-VHL> much

[21:17] <liz-VHL> i have read some of your articles and they are great

[21:17] <yiayia-VHL> Just fine it very interesting how all things appear to be coming together. It's exciting!

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> I don't see a pre-trib rapture in the Scriptures, but we don't want to get into THAT discussion now :)

[21:17] <Catalina-VHL> I am typing so fast my fingers are messing up. hehe

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it is exciting

[21:18] <liz-VHL> so whats next???

[21:18] <Catalina-VHL> Well, everyone believes differently. The main thing is that we believe in God

[21:18] <Kathy-VHL> lol Bob

[21:18] <Rich-VHL> 7when Jerusalem is surrounded with armies then we'll know

[21:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Aw, Bob, you're ruining all our fun:-)

[21:18] <Laura-VHL> I don't either, Bob. After reading The Sign, I am definitely of a pre-wrath position.

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> What's next? Well, this is only my opinion....

[21:18] <Catalina-VHL> Well, it will certainly be interesting to see what happens with Israel right now. I don't think I have been more aware of things going on over there until now. It's truly incredible.

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> A war is next in Israel, a war between Israel and Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and the Palestinians

[21:19] <Rich-VHL> 7right on Bob

[21:19] <Catalina-VHL> I really think things could take a turn for the worse

[21:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I wouldn't rule out Iraq, Bob.

[21:19] <farrell-VHL> 2I love the excitement of seeing God's prophecies being fulfilled. One thing we do know for sure is that Israel is the center of God's plan for the next events. We who have been saved can be absolutely sure that everything is going according to God's plan. Whether there is a pre-trib or mid-trib or even post-trib rapture is less important than that we remain obedient and pray for the peace of Jerusalem. We must also pray for each o

[21:19] <called-out-VHL> 10That could fulfill prophecy couldn't it Bob

[21:19] <Kathy-VHL> That is my thoughts too Bob

[21:19] <liz-VHL> ohhhhhhhhhhhh thats what alot are saying

[21:19] <Catalina-VHL> This has been building up for so long now

[21:19] <milly-VHL> I'm a pan-trib...I believe it will all pan out in the end

[21:19] <yiayia-VHL> Has your being in Israel sharpened your feelings?

[21:19] <Rich-VHL> 7thats true bez

[21:19] <Laura-VHL> Bob, Is this the war of the North? Or is that later?

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> Good comments, everyone :)

[21:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen, Farrell!

[21:19] <Barbara-VHL> 4Amen, farrell...

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> Yia, yes.....

[21:20] <Catalina-VHL> Well Russia is to the north

[21:20] <yiayia-VHL> milly....:)

[21:20] <liz-VHL> sooooon bob???

[21:20] <Catalina-VHL> I don't know if they are strong enough with all the problems right now

[21:20] <Catalina-VHL> BUT

[21:20] <yiayia-VHL> Bob, it sure does take on a different meaning, when you can actually "see" what is being talked about! :)

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> I was telling Stan... that my excitement for what is happening now is tempered by being in the situation with him and his family, the uncertainty for them

[21:20] <Laura-VHL> Yes, Catalina, but if Russia helps support the arabs with weapons, etc, could that be considered a war with the north?

[21:20] <Catalina-VHL> this could be something to get them back in the forefront. They are a strong country and they want to be number one again. Something is going to wake the sleeping bear

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> it is exciting for us to watch God at work

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> but hard for those going through it

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[21:21] <Rich-VHL> 7I know Bob

[21:21] <called-out-VHL> 10yes Bob

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Laura, I think that is later

[21:21] <yiayia-VHL> Yes Bob.....I keep Stan and his family in our prayers daily....:)

[21:21] <Catalina-VHL> No Russia has to be the ones to attack, because they will be defeated and moved back all the way into Siberia

[21:21] <Barbara-VHL> 4Ditto, Yiayia...

[21:21] <Kathy-VHL> All of Israel in our Prayers

[21:21] <Catalina-VHL> I think that the arabs will be with the arab countries when they attach

[21:21] <called-out-VHL> 10I know God is in control, but the world will go through some terrible times.

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> I know they appreciate your prayers

[21:22] <liz-VHL> oh yess i jsut laugh when all these arabs say they are going to destroy Israel...then i look at my map of the arab world which is mind boggling and know Who Is the one and Only True God

[21:22] <called-out-VHL> 10and I beleive we will be here until the 7th angle blows the Trumpet, we will see some of the trib.

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> my sense is that something significant may happen on Yom Kippur

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz

[21:22] <liz-VHL> to see how tiny Israel is wow!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[21:22] <Kathy-VHL> God is Angry

[21:22] <Laura-VHL> Bob, can you tell me how you think we should be praying now?

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> because there are more people here now....

[21:22] <yiayia-VHL> In what way Bob?

[21:22] <Catalina-VHL> when is Yom Kippur?

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> let me recount a conversation I had this week

[21:22] <Annie-VHL> IGod is very angry

[21:22] <liz-VHL> i got a book by Noah hutchings its awesome

[21:23] <yiayia-VHL> Mon. is Yom Kippur

[21:23] <Rich-VHL> 7has anyone seen how few Israelis have been killed or injured compared to the arabs

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> My wife and I went into the Old City of Jerusalem...

[21:23] <Catalina-VHL> Yes, I have Rich. Amazing isn't it

[21:23] <Laura-VHL> Noah Hutchings? Title?

[21:23] <Kathy-VHL> Yes I noticed thta Rich

[21:23] <Barbara-VHL> 4I noticed that, Rich..

[21:23] <farrell-VHL> 2Good question, Laura. Bob, can you help us with specifics to pray for?

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> most of the Arab shops were closed because of a strike

[21:23] <Rich-VHL> 7I think it is remarkable

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[21:23] <VCI-Bob> yes, just a second :)

[21:23] <Annie-VHL> what is your book by Noah Hutchings

[21:23] <called-out-VHL> 10Arafat is willing to sacrafice his people

[21:23] <Catalina-VHL> How long will you be there Bob?

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> till the ninth

[21:24] <Catalina-VHL> of this month

[21:24] <Rich-VHL> 7I wonder why that is LOL

[21:24] <yiayia-VHL> Have you had difficulty moving about the area Bob?

[21:24] <Catalina-VHL> do you feel safe?

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> We went into a few Palestinian shops

[21:24] <Kathy-VHL> But Ritch have you noticed that because of that people think it is Israels fault and that they are the agressors

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Yia, we have had to cancel our plans to tour the county

[21:24] <farrell-VHL> 2Do repeat the story about what the Palestinian said Bob.

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> we cannot go anywhere because of the violence

[21:25] <Rich-VHL> 7yes I have Kathy isn't it terrible

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> I asked each of them"what do you think will happen"

[21:25] <Laura-VHL> Yes, I want to hear the story, Bob.

[21:25] <Catalina-VHL> Israel will be blamed for everything. The world hates Israel and its hard to believe it is getting that way again, but it has too happen

[21:25] <yiayia-VHL> So, no Temple Mount, either :(

[21:25] <Pammi-VHL> There is an interesting webpage on Juan Carlos if anyone is interested: http://www.safeplace.net/members/johnw

[21:25] <Kathy-VHL> yes so misled

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> and one of them responded like this:

[21:25] <Bezalel-VHL> 2There must be plenty to see in Jerusalum.

[21:25] <liz-VHL> 25 messianic signs in Israel today it will blow you away

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> "We will take care of the Jews, and kick them out of our land"

[21:25] <Kathy-VHL> all part of the plan tho

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> I said....

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> "You mean, the West Bank"?

[21:25] <Rich-VHL> 7wouldn't it nice to be there Bez

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> he said... "No, all of Palestine is ours, we will kick them out of all of our land"

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> I said....

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> "what will happen to the Jews"?

[21:26] <Catalina-VHL> THANKS Pammi, I will check it out

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> he said...

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> "they can go back to Europe or wherever they came from"

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> end of story

[21:26] <Pammi-VHL> your welcome

[21:27] <liz-VHL> excuse me

[21:27] <Rich-VHL> 7did you see what hussein said in iraq Bob

[21:27] <yiayia-VHL> OHHHHHHHHH.....that's scary Bob!

[21:27] <Laura-VHL> Wow. That is bone-chilling, Bob.

[21:27] <liz-VHL> thats a laugh a minutee

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> so.... if I missed any questions, please repeat

[21:27] <Annie-VHL> thanks Pammi

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> yes, and it is not an uncommon opinion, I presume

[21:27] <liz-VHL> hmmmmmmm i will think of one

[21:27] <yiayia-VHL> Are you able to get to the Wall, or do they have it closed?

[21:27] <Laura-VHL> Liz, are you saying that Noah Hutchings book is called, 25 messianic signs in Israel today?

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Rich - tell us what he said

[21:27] <Pammi-VHL> But nobody will make the Jews leave Israel again I don't think, no matter how bad they want them out.

[21:27] <liz-VHL> rebuilt temple????

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> Yia, we did go to the Wall - a very moving experience

[21:28] <Catalina-VHL> It is incredible how small Israel is. I saw it on a map a few months ago and could not believe that the world wants this teeny tiny country

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> by the way.......

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[21:28] <VCI-Bob> STAN is now at my side :)

[21:28] <yiayia-VHL> Did you take pics????????? :)

[21:28] <liz-VHL> Yes laura i still have not finished it becase i kepp rereaading it

[21:28] <Pammi-VHL> Bob, u could have waved to us on the cam! :)

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> He dragged himself out of bed just to be with you all :)

[21:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Stan!

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> and he says HI to everyone! :)

[21:28] <liz-VHL> hi stan

[21:28] <Rich-VHL> 7well he said that it was time for iraq to help eliminate the jews

[21:28] <yiayia-VHL> Stan.....I want a pic of you guys at the wall! :) Please?????

[21:28] <Laura-VHL> Thanks Liz. I willl get it asap.

[21:28] <Catalina-VHL> Have you checked out the Aish.com website. It has a live cam on it

[21:28] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Stan

[21:28] <Barbara-VHL> 4Bob...this is very late for me...and I know you and Stan want to leave early (which will be soon for you)...so I bid you all a good night, and again, praise G'd for His allowing us to be together.

[21:28] <cocoon-VHL> 6Hi and Blessings Stan!

[21:28] <liz-VHL> time there

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Good night, Barbara! Shalom!

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> We have not been able to go up the Temple Mount....

[21:29] <Rich-VHL> 7night Barbara

[21:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Barbara

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> it has been closed to tourists and Israelis

[21:29] <liz-VHL> yes Luara it goes in great detail about Israels return and so much scripture its amazing to see how its been fulfilled

[21:29] <Pammi-VHL> Bob, have u been able to go to the old city at all or has it been to dangerous there also?

[21:29] <Catalina-VHL> I am sure it is amazing to see the sites over there. Bob I bet that you did not expect this for your vacation?

[21:29] <Annie-VHL> Shalom Barb

[21:29] <Barbara-VHL> 4G'd bless...Have a wonderful, fear-free rest of your trip. G'd is in control!! :-)

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Some parts of the Old City, Pammi, but not others

[21:29] <Jerry-VHL> Did I say shalom to everyone. I am just going to listen in, or read in. Very tired tonight.

[21:29] <Kathy-VHL> Bob I cant help think about how angry God is when I see the thing about Friday Rage

[21:29] <Rich-VHL> 7closed to arabs too Bob

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> Rich, they can go up

[21:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Jerry

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[21:30] <Pammi-VHL> I bet your heart has been moved so much by your visit, even if there is so much trouble there at the moment.

[21:30] <liz-VHL> Day of Rage after prayers correct???

[21:30] <yiayia-VHL> Shalom Jerry

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 7oh man what a rip off

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> they will go up today to their mosque "Al Aqsa"

[21:30] <Catalina-VHL> It is amazing how one little thing that Sharon did has started this

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Pammi, very moved

[21:30] <Pammi-VHL> I'm so happy for you.

[21:30] <Jerry-VHL> I hope the days of Rage are off now???

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> Indeed, Kathy, the day of rage.....

[21:30] <Catalina-VHL> where are you staying bob?

[21:30] <yiayia-VHL> I'm sorry you haven't been able to get to the Temple Mount....it really raised a higher level of cognition for me!

[21:31] <Laura-VHL> I heard that the violence actually started before sharon's visit. Is that true, Bob?

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> but God has His own day in store

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[21:31] <Rich-VHL> 7how could the gov. permit that Bob

[21:31] <yiayia-VHL> Amen Bob

[21:31] <Pammi-VHL> amen

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Laura, that is true

[21:31] <Kathy-VHL> It makes me think of how God is going to show them real rage

[21:31] <liz-VHL> what a day that will be

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> In what way, Yia?

[21:31] <Catalina-VHL> That is for sure

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> yes, Kathy, I have a Scripture..

[21:31] <liz-VHL> bob what time is it there i get confused

[21:31] <Pammi-VHL> I feel sorry for even them on Judgement Day.

[21:31] <Catalina-VHL> they are 8 hours ahead CST that is

[21:31] <yiayia-VHL> The feeling that the Muslims have total control over it, and are not willing to share the mount.

[21:32] <Kathy-VHL> Please post it I think it is significant for the time

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> it is 3:35 AM here

[21:32] <Laura-VHL> Bob, I really would like some guidance from you as to how to pray about all this.

[21:32] <yiayia-VHL> The fact that the Jews didn't accept responsibility for it, and now they have to fight for it.

[21:32] <Jerry-VHL> Was there any violence today??

[21:32] <Catalina-VHL> they are greedy, and HATE the people of Israel, they want them all dead

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Here is how to pray.....

[21:32] <yiayia-VHL> A feeling of sadness and anger.

[21:32] <liz-VHL> you all changed time today right

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> pray that God will open the eyes of the Jewish people to really know and seek Him

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> as Stan just noted....

[21:32] <Rich-VHL> 7anyone that hates another is not of God Catalina

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> it's good to pray Scripture

[21:33] <Catalina-VHL> I agree

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> and remind the Lord of what He has said

[21:33] <Rich-VHL> 7and yet they think they are the only right ones

[21:33] <Catalina-VHL> Look at how they praise Allah, you dare say anything against Allah and they will kill you

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> to implore Him to accompish the things He has promised

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> in the Psalms for instance

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> as you read the Psalms....

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> be sensitive towards the places where the author is beseeching God to act...

[21:33] <liz-VHL> this is great talking with like minded believers about the Lords soon return wow wish i could do this all the time

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> to remember His covenant

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> and His promises to Abraham

[21:34] <Pammi-VHL> me too liz

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> and to look with favor upon the place He said His name would dwell

[21:34] <liz-VHL> hey pammi you have msn messenger

[21:34] <Catalina-VHL> I know the feeling. I try to talk to people at work and none of them really believe that things are going to happen. One girl says that there have been signs for a long time what makes this any different. Scoffers!!!

[21:35] <cocoon-VHL> 6I need to leave but this has been such a blessing. Bob, Thank you for sharing your heart and your time with me.

[21:35] <Pammi-VHL> yes i do but hardly ever have it on.... did you get my e-mail address last week?

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 7Isn't it great Liz

[21:35] <liz-VHL> my husband is not saved

[21:35] <Pammi-VHL> bye cocoon, God Bless you.

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> Very glad you came, Cocoon!

[21:35] <yiayia-VHL> Shalom Cocoon.

[21:35] <Laura-VHL> Let's pray that together here and now! Lord, we pray that you will remember your covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and protect and preserve Israel to your glory.

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> Here is one that Stan just suggested.....

[21:35] <Jerry-VHL> shalom Cocoon

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 7he will be Liz

[21:35] <yiayia-VHL> Amen Laura.

[21:35] <Pammi-VHL> oh no liz, so sorry to hear that.... will have to put him on prayer list

[21:35] <Annie-VHL> Shalom Cocoon

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[21:35] <liz-VHL> amen rich

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children. (Isaiah 66:8 NIV)

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> Do I bring to the moment of birth and not give delivery?" says the LORD. "Do I close up the womb when I bring to delivery?" says your God. (Isaiah 66:9 NIV)

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> "Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, all you who love her; rejoice greatly with her, all you who mourn over her. (Isaiah 66:10 NIV)

[21:36] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen Laura

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> As Stan says, we can pray that God will complete the spiritual "delivery process" for Israel

[21:36] <liz-VHL> that gives me major goose bum,ps Bob i love those

[21:36] <yiayia-VHL> Amen Bob.

[21:36] <Rich-VHL> 7wonderfull Bob

[21:36] <Pammi-VHL> I feel we are so close

[21:37] <liz-VHL> wow we are so blessed to know Jesus

[21:37] <Catalina-VHL> even at the door!!!

[21:37] <Annie-VHL> I must leave you all now my fervent prayers are with you Stan and Bob and for all of Israel God Bless

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> Yes, amen

[21:37] <Catalina-VHL> I think that it is incredible that we are living prophecy

[21:37] <Rich-VHL> 7I have the same feeling Pammi

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> I am going to post some Scriptures from Isaiah:

[21:37] <yiayia-VHL> Shalom Annie.

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> I will tell of the kindnesses of the LORD, the deeds for which he is to be praised, according to all the LORD has done for us-- yes, the many good things he has done for the house of Israel, according to his compassion and many kindnesses. (Isaiah 63:7 NIV)

[21:37] <Pammi-VHL> Bob, have you been in any position there that has frightened you at all?

[21:37] <Rich-VHL> 7night Annie

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> Look down from heaven and see from your lofty throne, holy and glorious. Where are your zeal and your might? Your tenderness and compassion are withheld from us. (Isaiah 63:15 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> No, Pammi, not really

[21:38] <Pammi-VHL> bye annie, God Bless

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Why, O LORD, do you make us wander from your ways and harden our hearts so we do not revere you? Return for the sake of your servants, the tribes that are your inheritance. (Isaiah 63:17 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> For a little while your people possessed your holy place, but now our enemies have trampled down your sanctuary. (Isaiah 63:18 NIV)

[21:38] <yiayia-VHL> Bob....your thoughts of earthquake, splitting the Mt.

[21:38] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Annie

[21:38] <Catalina-VHL> does much go on at night? Or is it primarily during the day?

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Catalina, we have heard sirens at night

[21:38] <Catalina-VHL> Sooo true

[21:38] <Laura-VHL> I must go, too, everyone. God bless all of you and let's agree together in prayer that God will remember his covenant and keep and bless Israel through these terrible times. Love in Christ, Laura

[21:39] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Laura

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> Laura, thanks for joining us!

[21:39] <yiayia-VHL> Shalom Laura

[21:39] <liz-VHL> I just relearned prophecy about 2 years ago i guess i used to be replacement theology wow am i glad my eyes were opened prophecy is so clear now and beautiful

[21:39] <Pammi-VHL> I've seen lots of Isralie guards at the Western Wall, more than usual, thats for sure. Guess they are on hightened alert.

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[21:39] <Pammi-VHL> Bye Laura, God Bless you.

[21:39] <Catalina-VHL> what is the usual time for this get together. I got on by chance. At 7:30 CST I usually watch Hal Lindsey on TBN

[21:39] <yiayia-VHL> Yes liz.:)

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[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 7by by Laura

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> Many soldiers are around, all over the place

[21:39] <Pammi-VHL> I can imagine

[21:39] <milly-VHL> I must go also...angels all around you bob & your wife & stan's family a& enjoy the rest of your stay. Hope we will hear more about it later....bye all

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Milly, thanks :) Shalom to you!

[21:40] <Pammi-VHL> bye milly. God Bless You

[21:40] <yiayia-VHL> shalom milly

[21:40] <Catalina-VHL> Are there other websites that show alot of Isreal or more things on the wall?

[21:40] <Jerry-VHL> Bob - Is there going to be a day of Rage tomorrow?

[21:40] <Jerry-VHL> shalom milly

[21:40] <Catalina-VHL> what is the Day of Rage? What exactly does it mean?

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Jerry, the authorities are assuming there will be

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[21:40] <Catalina-VHL> Revenge

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> it means extreme rioting

[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7just think of the Glory that is going to come out of all this fighting His Majisty King Jesus is preparing to come to Jerusalem

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> yes, Rich

[21:41] <Jerry-VHL> Didn't the Paris talks accomplish anything?

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> all of it is setting the stage

[21:41] <liz-VHL> Amen RICH

[21:41] <Catalina-VHL> because of what has happened the last week or is this something that has been planned? Sorry for my ignorance but I really don't know

[21:41] <Kathy-VHL> Rage means insanity

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Jerry, the cease fire was broken in several places on Thursday

[21:41] <liz-VHL> what about damascus bob

[21:41] <liz-VHL> its destruction soon

[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7and we are a part of it I'm so glad

[21:41] <yiayia-VHL> Bob, now that you've seen Mt. Zion with your own eyes, can you fathom it being split into two?

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Liz, hostile statements are coming from Damascus

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> rioting at the American embassy there

[21:42] <Catalina-VHL> I thought the Mt of Olives is the Mountain to be split

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> probably because there is no Israeli embassy there :)

[21:42] <liz-VHL> do you see that soon..i have shared that scripture with my husband many times so when it does happen he will know

[21:42] <Catalina-VHL> It could be incredible Bob. If this happens this could very well mean a war. Is this how you feel?

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> Yia, as Stan and I looked down over the scene....

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> we talked about the prophecy that describes that in Zechariah

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> yes, Catalina, it could lead to that

[21:43] <Jerry-VHL> Any sign of the two witnesses, that are suppose to appear?

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Jerry, we are sitting in Stan's living room now LOL

[21:43] <Catalina-VHL> I just want to thank you for your information. We just cannot get that in the regular news. It is amazing how much of it they keep out of the headlines

[21:44] <Kathy-VHL> lol Bob

[21:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-), Bob

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> Catalina, stay tuned to VHL for updates

[21:44] <Catalina-VHL> :-)

[21:44] <Pammi-VHL> How EXCITING to be standing where all this is to take place....I think I'd have to fall to my knees just to take it all in!

[21:44] <yiayia-VHL> Yes Bob, awesome writing and description. I'm so glad you're there!

[21:44] <liz-VHL> hahah funny bob

[21:44] <Jerry-VHL> You - You could have said more than you know!!!

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it is very exciting, though my wife has a different perspecitive :)

[21:44] <liz-VHL> what????

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> understandably, there is apprehension

[21:44] <yiayia-VHL> :)

[21:44] <Catalina-VHL> Where will the updates be listed on VHL?

[21:44] <Rich-VHL> 7some do Bob

[21:45] <Catalina-VHL> and some nervousness I am sure

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> uncertainty, and also dissappointment because we cannot see much of the country

[21:45] <Pammi-VHL> is she afraid Bob?

[21:45] <liz-VHL> ohhhhhh

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> Catalina, Stan puts links to the news on the front page

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, many people are afraid here

[21:45] <Catalina-VHL> This day of rage, is it planned for the arabs to stir stuff up?

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[21:45] <yiayia-VHL> Yes, and thank Stan for doing that....the only "honest" news I get to see!

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> Stan will be putting the headlines up all weekend on VHL

[21:45] <liz-VHL> whose the best news on web in your opinion

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> yes, Catalina

[21:46] <Catalina-VHL> okay, thanks, again this is my first time on this website

[21:46] <liz-VHL> haaretz breaking news????

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Liz, I have a number of links to news sources on my website

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> yes, that's a good one

[21:46] <Pammi-VHL> Liz told me about this site earlier... it's really nice. You can share prophecy with people all day, everyday. http://www.upway.com/cgi-bin/wedg.cgi

[21:46] <shelly-VHL> hello everyone!

[21:46] <liz-VHL> wheres your site?

[21:46] <Catalina-VHL> I like JVIM and Hallindseyoracle.com

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> if I missed any questions, please repeat

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> trumpetsounds.com

[21:46] <Rich-VHL> 7hi shelly

[21:47] <liz-VHL> oh i have to come by

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Kathy, back to your question.....

[21:47] <Pammi-VHL> Bob, have you and Stan figured out a place to go if it gets really really bad tomorrow?

[21:47] <yiayia-VHL> welcome shelly

[21:47] <Kathy-VHL> k

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> God has his own response to the "day of rage"

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> read this from Ezekiel....

[21:47] <Shem-VHL> Bob are you keeping the Feast

[21:47] <shelly-VHL> :-)

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: 'Because the Philistines acted in vengeance and took revenge with malice in their hearts, and with ancient hostility sought to destroy Judah, (Ezekiel 25:15 NIV)

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am about to stretch out my hand against the Philistines, and I will cut off the Kerethites and destroy those remaining along the coast. (Ezekiel 25:16 NIV)

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> I will carry out great vengeance on them and punish them in my wrath. Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I take vengeance on them.'" (Ezekiel 25:17 NIV)

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> This may be a prophecy directed towards the Palestinians

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> it certainly describes their ongoing attitude towards Israel

[21:48] <Catalina-VHL> It sure sounds like it

[21:48] <liz-VHL> wow

[21:48] <Kathy-VHL> notice Bob the Arabs use the word Rage God uses the word rath

[21:48] <liz-VHL> sso much for our little minds to take in

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Shem, yes, we will observe it here

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> right, Kathy

[21:49] <Rich-VHL> 7don't they the palistinians claim philistine decent Bob

[21:49] <Jerry-VHL> In Isaiah there is a verse that says something to the affect of praising the Lord in the midst of the fire... do know what one that is?

[21:49] <Catalina-VHL> What do you think of the Digital Angel coming out in October. I never thought I would see something like this.

[21:49] <Shem-VHL> so you keep Shabbat also

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Rich, not physically, but they do claim to be the successors to the Philistines

[21:49] <liz-VHL> will you check in with chat any tomorrwo to give us live updates

[21:49] <Kathy-VHL> rage means insanity rath indicats punishment

[21:49] <Pammi-VHL> or maybe leave message in forum?

[21:50] <Rich-VHL> 7we know what God says of them then

[21:50] <Catalina-VHL> I can't wait to share some of this with a friend of mine tomorrow. She loves hearing about the stuff that I have found out

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Jerry, I cannot find it

[21:50] <Catalina-VHL> It is hard to believe that the 3rd temple will be built around the area of the Dome of the Rock

[21:50] <shelly-VHL> what do you mean when you say dig. angel is coming out?

[21:50] <Rich-VHL> 7I wish they could just live in peace with you all over there

[21:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Catalina, the log is posted to the chat area. You can read the entire transcript tomorrow.

[21:51] <Jerry-VHL> I am not sure where it is, but it's in there...

[21:51] <Rich-VHL> 7but then God's prophecies wouldn't happen

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Liz, you will probably be asleep during the action tomorrow because of the time difference :)

[21:51] <Catalina-VHL> There is a new device that can be implanted under the skin. Probably will lead to the Mark. Thanks Bezalesl

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Why, Catalina?

[21:51] <liz-VHL> what time i be up

[21:51] <shelly-VHL> ive heard of dig angel but is it being advertised?

[21:51] <Pammi-VHL> Digital Angel: http://www.digitalangel.net/index.htm

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Hey folks, Stan is going to take a turn at the keyboard here...

[21:52] <Pammi-VHL> You will be blown away.

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Here he is :)

[21:52] <liz-VHL> i got up early to hear ariel the other day on cnn

[21:52] <Catalina-VHL> There you go Pammi. That is where I found it also

[21:52] <liz-VHL> hi stan

[21:52] <Pammi-VHL> Bob, so nice to have met you. We will be praying for you!

[21:52] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Stan

[21:52] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Stan

[21:52] <yiayia-VHL> Come on down Stan! :)

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> personal shalom this time --- this is me at the end of bob's name

[21:52] <shelly-VHL> hey stan

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> great to see you all here

[21:52] <liz-VHL> you too

[21:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Shalom Stan/Bob

[21:53] <Pammi-VHL> good too see you again too Stan

[21:53] <yiayia-VHL> Praise God He is keeping you all safe!

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> Hey Bez :)

[21:53] <Rich-VHL> 7what is the day shaping up to be Stan

[21:53] <Kathy-VHL> you Too

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> yes He is - and we are resting in that knowledge

[21:53] <Rich-VHL> 7better worse or the same

[21:53] <Catalina-VHL> I can honestly say it is so wonderful to finally be able to talk to people who see what is going on. There are so many people blind as to what truly is going on. Everyone lives there lives like there is no end.

[21:53] <liz-VHL> amen catalina feel the same

[21:53] <Rich-VHL> 7I know Catilina

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Rich - we'll have to see, there could be some really big explosions - there is a lot of tension i the air and as I guess you all know the word is out that...

[21:54] <shelly-VHL> yes catalina., how sad!

[21:54] <Pammi-VHL> Stan, do you have any special plans if it gets really out of hand there today, "Day of Rage"? Is it safer to stay at home or find safety?

[21:54] <Catalina-VHL> oops the last sentence did not make much sense, but I think you got my point :_)

[21:54] <Kathy-VHL> All of us here have come to that same conclusion Catalina

[21:54] <yiayia-VHL> Stan do you have safe plans in line???? Just in case you need to get out?

[21:54] <liz-VHL> do you think actual terroism

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> after today's prayers on the temple mount (in the mosques) there could be some serious rioting - thr police are considering

[21:54] <Kathy-VHL> Stan did you have sometning special to sahre with us

[21:54] <Rich-VHL> 7what word is that Stan

[21:54] <yiayia-VHL> OOps, sorry, I didn't see Pammi's post.

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> limiting the ages of those arabs allowed up to pray - to keep the younger ones away

[21:55] <liz-VHL> what about saddams threats

[21:55] <Rich-VHL> 7yeah the day of rage

[21:55] <Rich-VHL> 7so called any way

[21:55] <Jerry-VHL> Here is an answer to the day of rage : Isaiah 49:26 And I will feed them that opress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunkenwith their own blood, aswith sweet wine

[21:55] <liz-VHL> oh that would not go over good

[21:55] <Catalina-VHL> Do the PA have nuclear weapons?

[21:55] <Pammi-VHL> yiayia, it is: http://www.digitalangel.net/index.htm

[21:55] <Jerry-VHL> and all flesh shll knwow that I the Lord am they Saviour and thy redeemer, the mighty one of Jacob

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> i'm pretty sure we'l be OK at home - the disturbances will most likely be in pockets - areas surrounded by lots of security forces... it does not usually spill over

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> into our neighborhoods

[21:55] <Shem-VHL> Catalina YES

[21:56] <yiayia-VHL> No school tom.?????

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 7they should all have to stay away as the Israeli's have yo Stan

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 7yo

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 7to

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 7I'll get it right soon

[21:56] <Catalina-VHL> I guess for you guys in Israel, you will find out the answer in the next few hours

[21:56] <yiayia-VHL> Rich... :)

[21:56] <shelly-VHL> when i typed in jesus in my browser, lord maitreya popped up - sign of the times

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> saddam's threats are just noises ..... so far.... he has not repeated them or given them any real substance yet, but he's a man to be watched is for sure

[21:57] <Catalina-VHL> Who is Lord Maitreya

[21:57] <liz-VHL> is he really sick

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> yia - schools have been closed for foreign kids....diplomats families etc, but as far as i know there will be school for the israelis

[21:57] <Kathy-VHL> yea in the head

[21:57] <Rich-VHL> 7saddam will wait to be sure he has enough help to take on Israel Stan

[21:58] <shelly-VHL> maitreya search for it on line...he could be the antichrist...

[21:58] <Pammi-VHL> Stan, do you think people will still be allowed to go to the Western Wall if things get bad? Or maybe they wouldn't on their own.

[21:58] <Catalina-VHL> is there a website?

[21:58] <yiayia-VHL> Has the newspaper arrived yet, Stan??? :)

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> Cataline - thank God, the PA's weaponry is really fairly basic --- the worst they have as far as we know are anti-tank missiles and possibly some shoulder-launched anti-aircraft rockets too -

[21:59] <Kathy-VHL> God has been mercifful for a long time now He sees what is going on and is going to do something

[21:59] <Catalina-VHL> Isn't it amazing how most of us, me included, are now looking to see who we think the AC is. I think that is for sure a sign we are looking for Jesus to return. AWESOME!!!

[21:59] <Pammi-VHL> I think the PA is just trying to get sympathy from the world right now, and it seems to be working. satan blinds.

[21:59] <yiayia-VHL> Catalina....Come Lord Jesus! :)

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 7nice huh catalina

[21:59] <shelly-VHL> he claims to be coming. not sure the exact name but search for benjamen creme/maitreya

[22:00] <Shem-VHL> there was a report a while back that they had briefcase weapon possibly 2

[22:00] <Kathy-VHL> He is going to stretch out His hand

[22:00] <Catalina-VHL> INCREDIBLE. I get so excited at seeing what is going on that I could just about BURST. hehe

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> looking at the JPost on the web.... Barak has closed off the palestinian areas in an attempt to limit the number of palestinians allowed "into" israel - that is usually quit an effective way

[22:00] <Rich-VHL> 7yes me too catalina

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> of keeping a lid on things

[22:00] <Catalina-VHL> Also, Russia has something like 200 nuclear size briefcases that are missing.

[22:00] <shelly-VHL> i know catalina...i could do cartwheels, im ready for jesus to come get us

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> Pammi - the PA is definitely revelling in all the attention

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 7some attention huh Stan

[22:01] <Pammi-VHL> Yes, they are making the world come against Israel even more than ever.

[22:01] <Catalina-VHL> Yes, I never thought I could get this excited. While everyone else is depressed about the news, I get excited. It is terrible that people have to suffer but it has to happen

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 7for being murderes and all

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> i should think that arafat is quite peeved at the happenings in yugoslavia right now as the eyes of the world have swung over thataway

[22:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> interesting how major events happen elsewhere on the globe when things get hot here...

[22:02] <Pammi-VHL> But I think many countries just needed an excuse to come down on Israel even more.

[22:02] <Catalina-VHL> IF you look at the news, look at all the turmoil that is going on right now. It is incredible. Wars and Rumours of Wars

[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 7arafat I can't stand to look at him

[22:02] <shelly-VHL> thank god he told us what would happen beforehand! praise jesus

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> your expectations and hopes for Jesus's soon return are of course what prophecy watching, as it were, should really be all about

[22:03] <Catalina-VHL> Well, I think the spark has been set, and now it is time for the fire. That little spark is all that was needed.

[22:03] <Kathy-VHL> Satans plan to get eyes off Israel and God

[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen shelly

[22:03] <yiayia-VHL> Yes, and Albright, did such a "dandy" job....."Shut the Doors???" LOLOL

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> when we see these things start to happen.... look up for our salvation draws near

[22:03] <Catalina-VHL> AMEN!!!

[22:03] <Pammi-VHL> yes, people have forgotten what a killer/terriorist he is, and now he travels and meets with Presidents and Royalty. Amazing

[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 7LOL too yia

[22:03] <Catalina-VHL> I keep looking up. I keep listening for the trumpet.

[22:03] <yiayia-VHL> Rich :)

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Catalina - the "signs of trhe times" certainly seem to be coming thick and fast

[22:03] <Catalina-VHL> I feel it so much!!!

[22:04] <Rich-VHL> 7I wonder what the real motive of albright's is yia

[22:04] <Pammi-VHL> amen amen

[22:04] <Catalina-VHL> It is so hard to describe this feeling. It just has to be the Holy Spirit preparing us.

[22:04] <yiayia-VHL> Rich, I don't know....have been trying to figure her out!

[22:04] <Pammi-VHL> i think the real motive is a one world government

[22:04] <yiayia-VHL> What do you think???

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Kathy - yes, to distract atention, but also, as I see it, when these things take place elsewhere they serve to drive the

[22:04] <Rich-VHL> 7kinda looks that way Pammi

[22:05] <Catalina-VHL> Oh, don't go there. I will want to spend the rest of the night talking about the one world gov't and religion. heheh

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> palestinians to greater extremes as they work to get atention back on their situation

[22:05] <yiayia-VHL> Possibly...

[22:05] <Pammi-VHL> hehe

[22:05] <Catalina-VHL> It's is INCREDIBLE where that is going. There is so much that is being kept secret from us

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 7but Pammi why do they keep it under such tight wraps

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> bob's puny little keyboard is playing havoc with my typing

[22:05] <yiayia-VHL> LOL :) Stan

[22:06] <Pammi-VHL> Rich, because the time isn't right yet

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 7whats he got a lap top Stan

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> Rich - yeah, but not a great big one like mine

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 7I guess pammi

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> it's been so good to have him here - and at this time especially

[22:06] <Catalina-VHL> Stan, have you heard anything since you have been there about the rebuilding of the Temple

[22:06] <Pammi-VHL> One world government will not work as long as Christians are still here, but that is just my opinion.

[22:06] <yiayia-VHL> Well y'all, must get to bed. My prayers continue for y'all there Stan....:) Love and blessings to all. :)

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> i know he would love to stay around longer

[22:07] <shelly-VHL> but thanks to bible prophesy like www.cuttingedge.org we have some insights as to whats going on in the government and more

[22:07] <Catalina-VHL> Well, it won't begin until after God's people are gone but look in the news, it is everywhere about that. Look at the UN and the EU

[22:07] <shelly-VHL> nite

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> Catalina - I've heard a fair amount, but over a long period of time (i've been here a while) --- nothing especially new, no intense focus recently

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[22:07] <Rich-VHL> 7I really don't want leave but I have to get off to bed everyone see Ya all later and God Bless all

[22:08] <Catalina-VHL> Just wondering

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> Rich - shalom....

[22:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Rich, God Bless.

[22:08] <Pammi-VHL> oh yes Catalina, you can see it happening before our eyes, for those who know what to look for.

[22:08] <Jerry-VHL> shalom Rich

[22:08] <Catalina-VHL> Thanks so much for all the websites. I have been searching for more but have not found what I was looking for

[22:08] <Pammi-VHL> Bye Rich, it's been a pleasure.. God Bless

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> Let me put Bob back in here... it's "his" night after all :)

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[22:08] <Catalina-VHL> Exactly. Is it great that we are seeing what is happening.

[22:08] <Pammi-VHL> Bye Stan... soooo Good talking to you!

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> Hi, it's Bob again - here for "tag team" chat :)

[22:09] <Catalina-VHL> What time do you start these chats?

[22:09] <liz-VHL> bye stan

[22:09] <Pammi-VHL> This is great

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> It's been great to be here with Stan and his family

[22:09] <Catalina-VHL> CST time that is

[22:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2WWF - VHL?

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> he has a wonderful wife and children

[22:09] <Jerry-VHL> Catalina - I wish everyone had your zeal with it comes to Israel.

[22:09] <shelly-VHL> ok bob we're listening!

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> LOL Bez

[22:09] <Pammi-VHL> I'll bet you'll miss him when he leaves

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> as I was preparing for this chat...

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[22:09] <VCI-Bob> yes, Pammi, I will

[22:10] <Catalina-VHL> Well it is the central focus of everything. I honestly cannot get enough information. And I have soaked up so much over the last few months, I want to share it.

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[22:10] <Jerry-VHL> Glad to hear your families are safe. Do you have kids Bob? If so are they there with you?

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[22:10] <VCI-Bob> before I answer....

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> Stan just noted to me...

[22:10] <skip-VHL> 4HI EVERYONE

[22:10] <Pammi-VHL> hey skip

[22:11] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom skip

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> we can hear the first "call to prayer" from outside, at the mosques - it's 4:15 AM here

[22:11] <Catalina-VHL> is that a normal time?

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> I have kids, Jerry, but they are not here - they are in college

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> I'll ask him Catalina

[22:11] <skip-VHL> 4what is happening there today?

[22:11] <Catalina-VHL> is it for the pal. or Isr.?

[22:11] <Jerry-VHL> Good

[22:11] <Pammi-VHL> Bob, what do you and Stan do for jobs? I'm sorry I'm new to this site and do not know much.

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> Skip, it could get very "hot" here

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> He says it is the normal time

[22:12] <Catalina-VHL> and he does not mean the temperature. hehe

[22:12] <Catalina-VHL> oh

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, Stan is the VHL editor

[22:12] <skip-VHL> 4I heard that Bob BE careful

[22:12] <Pammi-VHL> full time?

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> and I am an computer consultant

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> Stan and I are going to head to the Old City shortly

[22:13] <shelly-VHL> let's pray for Jesus soon return

[22:13] <Catalina-VHL> Do you get any sleep Bob?

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> I wish you could here this - it sounds eery

[22:13] <Catalina-VHL> AMEN to that

[22:13] <skip-VHL> 4is there a truce or not?

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> about an hour, Catalina

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> no, Skip, not really

[22:13] <liz-VHL> like how????

[22:13] <Catalina-VHL> wow,

[22:13] <Jerry-VHL> Is that the Muslim call to prayer?

[22:13] <liz-VHL> just having weird feelins bob

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> it sound demonic, Stan says, like the sound of hell

[22:14] <Catalina-VHL> well has the day of rage officially started?

[22:14] <Pammi-VHL> wish we could hear it

[22:14] <skip-VHL> 4I can almost hear the thundering hoof beats

[22:14] <Catalina-VHL> HUH?

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> it's early here

[22:14] <Jerry-VHL> Someday the unclean spirit will be cast out of the land

[22:14] <liz-VHL> yeah its unseettling i have heard it on news

[22:14] <Pammi-VHL> amen

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> yes, Jerry

[22:14] <Catalina-VHL> what is the sound exactly

[22:14] <liz-VHL> but whoa hearing a Shofar Yippppppppeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[22:15] <Jerry-VHL> But don't they just look so holy. Having an appearance of godliness, but...

[22:15] <Catalina-VHL> I think things could be closer than we think

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> it's a wailing, singing, prayer

[22:15] <Pammi-VHL> Bob, I hope you and Stan know how much you are loved and prayed for. :)

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> thanks, Pammi - it is much appreciated

[22:15] <Catalina-VHL> from the muslims or jews

[22:15] <Pammi-VHL> Bob, may I ask another question?

[22:15] <Jerry-VHL> But we really need to pray for all those who have come under this bondage of Islam.

[22:15] <Catalina-VHL> and is that the way it sounds all the time?

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> sure, Pammi

[22:15] <liz-VHL> i love messianic musicc

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Catalina

[22:15] <shelly-VHL> ooh catalina i hope your right! no more sorrow

[22:15] <Shem-VHL> Actually it is only a call to prayer for all believers the same type of call was used during the days of the patriarch's

[22:16] <skip-VHL> 4have you been having any fun or is the situation too tense for that?

[22:16] <Catalina-VHL> I would love to hear it, I just can't imagine what it sounds like\

[22:16] <Pammi-VHL> In the mornings I see people at the Wall with white on... lots of them, and the rest of the day and night with black on (that is the majority). What is the difference?

[22:16] <Catalina-VHL> Who is doing the wailing?

[22:17] <liz-VHL> how many saved jews Bob %

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, Stan says the white are prayer shawls

[22:17] <Pammi-VHL> oh, ok.. thanks

[22:17] <Catalina-VHL> All I can say is Lord, Please Come Quickly!!!

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> and the black is the ultra-orthodox garb

[22:18] <shelly-VHL> amen catalina

[22:18] <Pammi-VHL> thanks :)

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> Liz, I don't know - a small percentage now, but growing

[22:18] <Jerry-VHL> I need to say goodnight, and I am surprised I lasted this long. May God place a hedge of protection around you both tomorrow. Good night all

[22:18] <Catalina-VHL> We desperately need you

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> Stan has the newspaper now....

[22:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Jerry

[22:18] <shelly-VHL> goodnite

[22:18] <Pammi-VHL> bye Jerry, God Bless

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> big gun battle after midnight tonight...

[22:18] <liz-VHL> hmmmmmmm i love their worship music its the best

[22:18] <Catalina-VHL> G'Night Jerry, God Bless YOu

[22:18] <skip-VHL> 4SHALOM JERRY

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> near Ramallah

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> and more shooting around Gilo ( about 2 miles south of here)

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[22:19] <VCI-Bob> Hamas has called for the Day of Rage, and Fatah is in agreement

[22:19] <Catalina-VHL> so much for the cease fire :-)

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> yes, it was broken often yesterday

[22:19] <Catalina-VHL> I did not think that it would last.

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> no, we did not either

[22:20] <liz-VHL> what about those 12 arafaft released today

[22:20] <Pammi-VHL> Surely they are afraid of Israel's gun power, or maybe they want Israel to lose their temper so the world can be upset with them again.

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> As I was preparing for this chat....

[22:20] <skip-VHL> 4what are the implications of THE DAY OF RAGE?

[22:20] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bob, I'm going to say good night, and let you and Stan (and families) embark on your great adventure....enjoy the Old City.

[22:20] <Catalina-VHL> And Clinton wants peace there just so he can say he brought peace to the middle east. If I did not know where the AC comes out of, I would say Clinton is the AC. :-)

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> God brought to my attention three times in Isaiah 51 and 52 where he says "Awake, Awake"

[22:20] <Pammi-VHL> Bye Bezalel.. God Bless

[22:21] <Catalina-VHL> Bye bezalel

[22:21] <skip-VHL> 4SHALOM BEZ

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> Liz, Arafat apparently released some hamas terrorists

[22:21] <liz-VHL> how long you been a watcher Bob

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[22:21] <VCI-Bob> Bez, good night to you!

[22:21] <Catalina-VHL> when?

[22:21] <liz-VHL> have you ever seen it this crazy

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, they are trying to gain world sympathy

[22:21] <skip-VHL> 4BOB what is THE DAY OF RAGE going to bring?

[22:21] <Pammi-VHL> and it's working

[22:21] <liz-VHL> why would arafat do that needing help tomorrow

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> much violence, Skip

[22:22] <Catalina-VHL> That is exactly what they are doing, no doubt about it. And guess what, except America everyone else will take the sides against Israel

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> here's my take on the "bigger picture" here.....

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> that this is happening because they have come very close to surrendering the Temple Mount

[22:22] <skip-VHL> 4couldnt that be construed as a declaration of war then

[22:22] <Pammi-VHL> Catalina..... even many Americans are beginning to take sides "against" Israel. I've seen many heads turning in the other direction.

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> and that God is putting an end to the sham called a "peace process"

[22:23] <liz-VHL> oh wow thats neat thoughts Bob

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> Skip, in a sense, perhaps....

[22:23] <Catalina-VHL> OH I know, but as we stand right now, we would still defend her. But that could very well change in the near future

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> but "war" is normally between nations....

[22:23] <Shem-VHL> As believers we should condemn evil, no mater where it comes from, and give praise to the Almighty when there is blessings, the killings are evil no matter which side does it, let's allow the Eternal to do his will.

[22:23] <Pammi-VHL> very true catalina

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> here you have a situation where there is not an outside entity per se fighting

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> it's in the midst

[22:24] <Catalina-VHL> Well I know God will be with Israel when a war does start

[22:24] <skip-VHL> 4I dont see where USA has done much defending of ISRAEL in many years

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, the PA has been very effective, with the help of the major media, in portraying this to their advantage..

[22:24] <liz-VHL> aamen that will be wild to witness them being attcked from every side and win

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> while the truth is much different

[22:24] <Catalina-VHL> America has been blessed by God because she has always been on the side of Israel. If she ever goes against Israel, God help us all.

[22:25] <Pammi-VHL> Bob, don't you think it will take a war of some kind to bring in the AC? To give him the excuse to come forward?

[22:25] <liz-VHL> cnn calls him president arafat

[22:25] <Catalina-VHL> possibly

[22:25] <Shem-VHL> The Almighty will be with his people and only He knows truly who they are

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, my opinion is that some things have to happen before those events

[22:25] <Pammi-VHL> or are you Stan now... i'm confused! heheaha

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> there is no Temple now, for instance

[22:25] <Catalina-VHL> I feel that everything is ready, we are waiting for God to decide the time.

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> I'm Bob :)

[22:25] <Pammi-VHL> hehe

[22:26] <Catalina-VHL> It is truly amazing how all the stuff that we are talking about here, you will hear none of it on the major news outlets

[22:26] <shelly-VHL> anybody not for jesus christ is against israel

[22:26] <Pammi-VHL> Can't he start the peace process before the temple is built?

[22:26] <Catalina-VHL> yes

[22:26] <Catalina-VHL> They have found out that the temple will only take a few months to build

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, why do you think that the AC will necessarily be involved in a "peace process" - just asking?

[22:27] <Catalina-VHL> They are getting all the stuff ready now, red heifer, sacrifices, garments, etc.

[22:27] <liz-VHL> do you think we will se any lulls or are we full speed ahead

[22:27] <Pammi-VHL> Because he promises peace?

[22:27] <Catalina-VHL> Because he will be the one that presides over the signing of the peace pact for 7 years between israel and the arab nations

[22:27] <Pammi-VHL> I just thought it was biblical

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> true, Catalina, but the political situation will take longer to be established that is conducive to rebuilding

[22:28] <Pammi-VHL> yes

[22:28] <liz-VHL> my point bob about Daniel 9 27 being popular teaching

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> OK, let's take a quick look at that, ok"?

[22:28] <Catalina-VHL> and after 3 1/2 years he will break that peace pact and then the abomination of desolation happens when he sits in the temple and proclaims he is god. All Hell will break looks

[22:28] <Catalina-VHL> loose

[22:28] <liz-VHL> yes please yipppppppeeeeeeeee

[22:28] <skip-VHL> 4BOB my prayer is for ya'll to be kept safe and for G_D to bless you and protect all of you

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." (Daniel 9:27 NIV)

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> first, the "covenant" is not necessarily a peace treaty

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> though often assumed to be

[22:29] <Kathy-VHL> I am back kids came in sorry

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> it can mean league or confederacy or agreement

[22:29] <Catalina-VHL> well, i think there is a strong chance that it will be, again he will be the Peacemaker, so they think

[22:29] <Pammi-VHL> wb kathy

[22:29] <Catalina-VHL> I think he will come out on a peace platform

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> and the "many" - that could be the Jews, could be the nations

[22:29] <Shem-VHL> peace to you all , May His Kingdom come His will be done

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> it is not specified

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Shem

[22:30] <Pammi-VHL> Bob, I've not been told, are you pre or a mid trib believer?

[22:30] <shelly-VHL> but when they are saying peace and safety trouble will come upon them as women with child

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> I guess my point is, that we assume too much sometimes

[22:30] <Pammi-VHL> bye Shem, God Bless

[22:30] <liz-VHL> yes we do Bob

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[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, I am not dogmatic, but I lean towards post trib, but seem some legitimacy in the pre-wrath position as well

[22:31] <liz-VHL> i know several believers who are letting go of preconccieved idas

[22:31] <Pammi-VHL> ok, thanks

[22:31] <Catalina-VHL> well, I read alot and listen to alot of prophecy teachers that are well respected, and that is how I have come to believe. Again, we can differ on some things, but we all know that we love our Lord and Saviour, that is all that matters

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> true :)

[22:31] <skip-VHL> 4yeah when you assume you make an ass out of us :-) and old family saying

[22:31] <liz-VHL> amen catalina

[22:32] <Catalina-VHL> behave Skip. :-)

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> We all tend to have too many assumptions, right? That's why we need to back to the Scriptures alone

[22:32] <Pammi-VHL> amen catalina

[22:32] <skip-VHL> 4or of u and me

[22:32] <shelly-VHL> amen bob

[22:32] <Catalina-VHL> Well I very much believe in the Rapture. I cannot wait for that day. Houston we have a problem. hehe

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> Stan says that when you are here....

[22:33] <Pammi-VHL> But in truth, nobody knows for sure. Not "for certain". We can only go by scripture and believe what the Holy Sprit leads us to believe.

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> it gives a different perspective from the dramatic scenarios often painted by the prophecy teachers

[22:33] <Catalina-VHL> exactly

[22:33] <Kathy-VHL> we can only be ready ans watch

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> the "gritty reality" is different, as he puts it

[22:33] <liz-VHL> like what bob

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> well, for instance...

[22:33] <Catalina-VHL> well, I dont know about you guys, but I am waiting for the trumpet to sound. You can stay here if you want but I am going in the Rapture. heheh

[22:34] <Pammi-VHL> :)

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> the size of the place, the way it is romanticized, the problems that are here.....

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> and also....

[22:34] <Kathy-VHL> I dont know so I am being ready for whatever

[22:34] <skip-VHL> 4what is the word from Syria and Lebanon and egypt about the fighting going on?

[22:34] <Pammi-VHL> I'm not ready to go through the tribulation period... ohhh no, what a horrible thought.

[22:35] <liz-VHL> was it at vhl where i read about 200 million man army???

[22:35] <Pammi-VHL> I mean, I might be surprised, but I don't like it, thats for sure if it happens.

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, we must be ready for whatever the Lord leads us to - many believers both now and in the past have suffered much

[22:35] <shelly-VHL> i'm just ready to put satan in his place

[22:35] <liz-VHL> also continued bob???

[22:35] <Catalina-VHL> Well, I wish I were as good as you in the scriptures bob, but there is a verse that says that God will keep us out of the trials, I am sorry I just cannot remember that scripture

[22:36] <Pammi-VHL> I'm a coward when it comes to what the Bible says will happen during that time. I would want the rocks to fall on me quickly. Yes, yes, I am a coward but maybe the Lord would make me strong.

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> also, as Stan and I were discussing, some prophecy teachers seem quite ready to relegate Israel to "another holocaust" when the Scriptural justification for that concept is iffy at best

[22:36] <Catalina-VHL> I don't believe that there will be another holocause for the Jews

[22:36] <liz-VHL> like what are they gonna go through

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, we don't need great courage, we just need confidence in a great God

[22:37] <Kathy-VHL> not a holocaust Bob but there will be terrible things for them

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> what, Kathy?

[22:37] <Pammi-VHL> Catalina.... I think of the Bible saying that the Holy Spirit will be taken out during the tribulation... well we as Christians have the Holy Sprit in us.

[22:37] <Kathy-VHL> The things of tribulation

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> here's how I see it - not a popular viewpoint....

[22:37] <Kathy-VHL> just like for us if we are here

[22:38] <VCI-Bob> Israel will be protected, and the Christian will be slaughtered - in a nutshell, that's how I see it

[22:38] <Catalina-VHL> True Pammi,

[22:38] <VCI-Bob> from Daniel and Revelation

[22:38] <Pammi-VHL> liz.... many many things, start reading from Rev. 4 on.....

[22:38] <skip-VHL> 4amen bob

[22:38] <liz-VHL> thats interesting bob

[22:38] <VCI-Bob> Pammi, the Bible does not say that

[22:38] <Pammi-VHL> nice thought

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> that the "Holy Spirit will be taken out during the tribulation"

[22:39] <Pammi-VHL> I will have to find what I'm talking about

[22:39] <liz-VHL> popular teaching pammi

[22:39] <Pammi-VHL> I'm not good at just saying where a verse is

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> It's in 2 Thess 2 what you are referring to, Pammi

[22:39] <Catalina-VHL> Well, yes the Jews will be protected, no doubt about that. Also, I believe the tribulation is primarily for the unrepentent. Yes there will be millions saved during the tribulation and that is why they will be killed during that time, but for complete evil to take place I think tha tGod's people have to be taken out

[22:39] <Pammi-VHL> or maybe it is not in that context, but what I understand it to mean

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> One quick thought before I leave....

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> Think about this with me

[22:40] <Catalina-VHL> I am thinking...... :-)

[22:40] <Pammi-VHL> :)

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> The day when Jesus comes to be glorified in hiss people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed - that is the rapture, right?

[22:41] <skip-VHL> 4BOB what are the neighoring countries saying about this latest fighting?

[22:41] <Catalina-VHL> No, it sounds like the Glorious Appearing, every eye will see him then

[22:41] <Pammi-VHL> yes

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> Well, look at 2 Thess chapter one - it describes the relief given to those suffering - that they will receive consolation when they see Him

[22:41] <Pammi-VHL> Jesus comes in a twinkeling of an eye....

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> but....

[22:42] <Catalina-VHL> The rapture a trumpet will sound and we will meet him in the air. Not everyone will see him then. Only believers

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> it's not a pre-trib scenario

[22:42] <Pammi-VHL> and we will meet him in the air

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> anyway, just something to consider :)

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> Skip....

[22:42] <Catalina-VHL> Yes, that is the saints during the tribulation, or what is left of them. There will not be manuy

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> the neighboring countries have been very bellicose in their statements

[22:42] <liz-VHL> hmmmmmmmmmmm well i better go yall Bob you and stan and family will be in my prayers tomorrow.

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> Protests in Jordan, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and very harsh words from all of them

[22:43] <liz-VHL> thanks for a wonderful time all

[22:43] <Catalina-VHL> I wish we had more time, I would love to discuss this with you more

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> Liz - thanks for coming!

[22:43] <Pammi-VHL> People will never agree on when, that is for sure, and it's not the most important. The most important is that we are ready and spend our time winning souls for the Lord in what time we have left. :)

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> Catalina, we are here each week

[22:43] <skip-VHL> 4but we know whos side they are on huh

[22:43] <liz-VHL> thank you brotherr

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[22:43] <Catalina-VHL> what time

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> So.... keep watching everyone....

[22:44] <Catalina-VHL> is it every thursday

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> and keep imploring the Lord as you see the events unfold

[22:44] <skip-VHL> 4SHALOM BOB & STAN G_D BLESS YOU

[22:44] <Catalina-VHL> I dont want to miss it

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> When does Daylight Savings Time start in the US?

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> anyone know?

[22:44] <Pammi-VHL> Bye.... luv you so much in Christ. Thank you for sharing your time! God Bless you!

[22:44] <Catalina-VHL> This has really been great

[22:44] <Pammi-VHL> end of October

[22:44] <Pammi-VHL> 31st?

[22:44] <skip-VHL> 4it ends on 29

[22:45] <VCI-Bob> We are glad you have enjoyed the chat - we always enjoy meeting with you all

[22:45] <Catalina-VHL> okay, what time next week

[22:45] <Pammi-VHL> yes, the 29th

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[22:45] <VCI-Bob> Shalom from the City of the Great King!!!!

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