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[19:56] <VCI-Bob> Hello Folks! :)

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> Shalom!

[19:57] <Glory-Bound> yes i like VHL

[19:57] <SCORE-VHL> hello

[19:57] <Glory-Bound> i like the prayer room

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> Glad to have you here for Bible prophecy chat! :)

[19:57] <SCORE-VHL> i've never gone in i'll have to try it

[19:58] <Glory-Bound> it is a wonderful room

[19:58] <SCORE-VHL> 5thanks, great to be here

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> I don't have a pre-determined agenda of topics for tonight... so anything you suggest is welcome!

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[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Perhaps I'll start with a question - why do you think so many Christians shy away from the topic of Bible prophecy?

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Bez!

[20:01] <Glory-Bound> hi bez

[20:01] <Bezalel-VHL> Good evening, Bob, Glory, and Score.

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[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Hello, Angel, and welcome!

[20:02] <Glory-Bound> hi angel

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[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Are any of you first-timers here?

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Called!

[20:02] <Glory-Bound> hi called

[20:02] <angel-VHL> Hello, everyone.

[20:02] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Everyone :)

[20:02] <Bezalel-VHL> Shalom Angel, and Called.

[20:03] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Bez, heard anything from Dove?

[20:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Not a thing....

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> My wife just put together a good plate of Cuban food, which i am busily wolfing down :)

[20:03] <called_out-VHL> 10:-O

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[20:03] <VCI-Bob> I have not heard anything about here either

[20:03] <called_out-VHL> 10Wolf away Bob

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> her

[20:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm jealous, I have to fix something in a bit.

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> So - what's on everyone's mind tonight?

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> I guess you heard that the Palestinians have "delayed" the declaration of "their" state

[20:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Now that you've asked the question, about why Christians shy away from prophecy, I'm thinking about that.:-)

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Think away :)

[20:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Maybe, it's because they see the destruction and doom, and that scares them. They would rather believe in an easy fix like "Pre-Trib" rapture.

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> yes, fear may be one factor - anything else?

[20:07] <called_out-VHL> 10They don't really study the word.

[20:07] <called_out-VHL> 10We are all guilty of not studying the word enough, I mean really studying.

[20:07] <angel-VHL> I agree, many are loking for a quick answer to most things. Spiritual things being no exception.

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> yes, we tend to be "cherry-pickers

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> "

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> right?

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> picking out the nice promises that we like :)

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> nothing wrong with that, of course....

[20:08] <angel-VHL> The Bible says to study to show ourselves approved. I guess many avoid that scripture.

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[20:09] <called_out-VHL> 10I believe that many, many christians are interested in prophecy

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, shira!

[20:09] <shira-VHL> Shalom

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> First time here, Shira?

[20:10] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Shira:)

[20:10] <angel-VHL> Hello, shira.

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Any other comments on prophecy in general?

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[20:15] <VCI-Bob> I got tossed out, but I'm back!

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> And I see we have a new participant!

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Connie :)

[20:15] <Connienshop> oklahoma

[20:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2WB,Bob

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Thanks :)

[20:16] <Connienshop> thank you Bob

[20:16] <Connienshop> can you explain to e what this room is about

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I can - this room is about....

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[20:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Drumroll

[20:17] <Connienshop> my key board is messing up

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> discussions of Bible prophecy, often with an emphasis on the current and future implications for Israel

[20:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Cocoon.

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Cocoon

[20:17] <Connienshop> i'm listening Bob

[20:17] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Cocoon :)

[20:18] <Connienshop> ok, thank you

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> The last several sessions, we had been going through Isaiah

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> we covered the high points of chapters 24-29

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[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Isaiah is my favorite book of the Bible :)

[20:18] <cocoon-VHL> Hi and Blessings!

[20:18] <Connienshop> ok. I love talking about our Savior

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[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Yes, and there are so many "discussions" of Him in Isaiah! :)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Dovecry!

[20:19] <dovecry-VHL> hi Bob:-)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> How are you doing, Dovecry!

[20:20] <Connienshop> Yes. like proverbs and readingabout Abraham

[20:20] <dovecry-VHL> I am doing very well, thank you :-) Jesus is good to me

[20:20] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Dove, sooo good to see you :)

[20:20] <dovecry-VHL> Praise The Lord

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> For the newcomers, Dovecry recently had some major surgery

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> and this is the first time we have seen her since :)

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> I like the way Isaiah starts out:

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Hear, heavens, And listen, earth; for Yahweh has spoken.

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> That's the basis for everything we believe, right?

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[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Thanks - got bounced again

[20:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2WB Bob, that is

[20:23] <littleone-VHL> 2Hello Bezalel

[20:23] <Connienshop> hi Bob

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[20:24] <VCI-Bob> I don't know if you caught what I said.....

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Tallen

[20:24] <Connienshop> Hi Litleone andDove

[20:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2What a blessing for us that you're here, Dovecry.

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Hear, heavens, And listen, earth; for Yahweh has spoken.

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> That's why we listen - for He has spoken

[20:24] <littleone-VHL> 2good afternoon Connien

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> and with certainty and clarity, for all who will listen

[20:25] <dovecry-VHL> I still have to go through more tests. I was very angry after the surgery, but , you know what? My GOD is still on the throne the last time i talked to HIM and HE has the last Report:-) So we will stand on that together, ok friends?:-)

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Dovecry :) He doesn't make any mistakes :)

[20:25] <littleone-VHL> 2Amen dovercy

[20:25] <called_out-VHL> 10:>

[20:25] <dovecry-VHL> "love.. Amen

[20:25] <littleone-VHL> 2Our God Reigns and lives in us

[20:25] <dovecry-VHL> Ok where are we?

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Let's praise Him!

[20:26] <littleone-VHL> 2Greater is He that is in us and not the one of the world

[20:26] <dovecry-VHL> no He doesn't:-)

[20:26] <Connienshop> that's right Dove. God has the final say so

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Glory and honor and power are yours alone, Lord of Hosts!

[20:27] <called_out-VHL> 10His name is Wonderful

[20:27] <cocoon-VHL> 5The heavens and earth declare your glory and your majesty

[20:27] <littleone-VHL> 2Alleluya We sing with the angeles all the Heavens

[20:27] <dovecry-VHL> " Hear o Israel, The LORD our God the LORD is one, Hal-le-lu-jah"

[20:27] <Connienshop> we give you praise God. and we give you honor

[20:27] <cocoon-VHL> 5We lift you high above all else

[20:27] <Connienshop> all the

[20:27] <littleone-VHL> 2forever and ever , Oh mighty Lord

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> Who has a claim against You that You must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to You!

[20:28] <littleone-VHL> 2You are the Omega.. The beginning and the end

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> You are good to all who fear you, Almighty God!

[20:28] <Connienshop> all the Glory we give to you Lord

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Full of compassion, slow to anger, ready to forgive!

[20:28] <dovecry-VHL> Father , The great" I AM " we Love You and lift up our voices together unto You O Lord

[20:28] <Connienshop> By his stripes we are healed

[20:28] <littleone-VHL> 2Great Adonai..My Yeshua, The Great I am

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[20:29] <cocoon-VHL> 5Drawn near to God and He will draw near to you---Lord draws us that we might know you as we are known and declare your gl

[20:29] <cocoon-VHL> 5glory among the nations

[20:29] <littleone-VHL> 2You have carved us in the Palm of Your Hand..Father, Abba

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> We praise because you are the Greatest! No one begins to compare with you!

[20:29] <dovecry-VHL> The One and Only ELOHIM, Thank You so much

[20:29] <called_out-VHL> 10King of all Ages, King eternal

[20:29] <littleone-VHL> 2The Lord of Lord..The Lion Of Judea

[20:29] <called_out-VHL> 10Creater of alll that is good

[20:30] <cocoon-VHL> 5The Lion of Judah...The Lamb of God

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> You, so patient, who puts up with our stupidness and wavering faith - you are so good!

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Glory to you!

[20:30] <littleone-VHL> 2The earth is your footstool, Lord..How Majestic you are

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Praise you Jesus, Son of the Most High! King of Kings!

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[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Dominion and power belong to you Along, King Jesus!

[20:30] <littleone-VHL> 2Amen for your patient Lord

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> alone

[20:30] <dovecry-VHL> " SHOUT TO THE LORD' all the earth, let us sing, Glory and Honor, and Praise to the King

[20:30] <cocoon-VHL> 5and yet You have the hairs on our heads numbered..What a Mighty God You are!!

[20:30] <Connienshop> The Drs. have liscense to practice medicine, But My Lord is the great Physician

[20:31] <littleone-VHL> 2and thank you for giving it to us

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> We love you, we who are so unworthy of your unfailing love

[20:31] <littleone-VHL> 2God is the greatest surgeon. He restores the body and the soul

[20:32] <cocoon-VHL> 5and gives us songs in the night

[20:32] <Connienshop> Amen,

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> May your glory soon shine on the earth, Messiah Jesus! May the world soon see your greatness and majesty!

[20:32] <called_out-VHL> 10To Him beglory for ever and ever

[20:32] <littleone-VHL> 2Arise Oh My Lord. We are your servents that seek your face

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Arise Lord!

[20:33] <dovecry-VHL> O heavenly Father, i sit here with all my friends that You have given to me, Lord, how do i thank You? Let the meditations of my heart, and the words of my mouth , Praise Your Holy Name..

[20:33] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Thank you Lord for all you deliver.

[20:33] <dovecry-VHL> our hearts are joined together as one unto You Our Lord

[20:33] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Thank You Lord for the miracle of Dovecry.

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> A voice of one calling: "In the desert prepare the way for the LORD ; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God. Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, the rugged places a plain. And the glory of the LORD will be revealed, and all mankind together will see it. For the mouth of the LORD has spoken." (Isaiah 40:3-5)

[20:34] <littleone-VHL> 2Thank you Lord for giving us the humbleness to recognize our needs and to make you your fortess because of this and to seek you alone and not our understandin

[20:34] <cocoon-VHL> 5Thank You for the miracle of Life Eternal with You

[20:34] <dovecry-VHL> only You Great Father can do miracles, and You do them because You are a loving God

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[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 5 :)

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Gran! We are just finishing up a time of praise here :)

[20:35] <dovecry-VHL> Thank You! Thank You! "Praise The Holy Name of Jesus"

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 5Hi gang

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 5I couldn't get in

[20:35] <littleone-VHL> 2God mercy endures forever..and sometimes the times of illnes, pain and suffering can feel forever

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 5oh sorry I missed that

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 5Dove how are you feeling

[20:35] <littleone-VHL> 2Hello Gran. Nice to see you again

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 5been praying for you

[20:35] <dovecry-VHL> Hi Gran, i love you:-)

[20:35] <Connienshop> it was awesome

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 5Hi littleone good to see you too

[20:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hello Gran.

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> You who bring good tidings to Zion, go up on a high mountain. You who bring good tidings to Jerusalem, lift up your voice with a shout, lift it up, do not be afraid; say to the towns of Judah, "Here is your God!" (Isaiah 40:9)

[20:36] <littleone-VHL> 2Thank you Gran:)

[20:36] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Gran

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 5and everyone else

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> There's a verse of prophecy to start us off

[20:36] <cocoon-VHL> 5Hi Gran

[20:36] <dovecry-VHL> i love all of you!

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 5thats good Bob

[20:36] <dovecry-VHL> ok, lets go Bob

[20:36] <dovecry-VHL> :-)

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 5beforer we go any farther can I give you all the name of a book

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[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 5that is on the subject we have all heard about

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> I don't have any agenda tonight, but I feel like starting in Isaiah 40

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[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 5the church replaceing isreal?

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> yes, Gran?

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 5i may be a help to some of us

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 5on Zola Levits program

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> go ahead, tell us :)

[20:37] <dovecry-VHL> sure

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 5a book called Last days Temple

[20:37] <Connienshop> listening

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 5by dr Randall Price

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 5He loved Isreal so much he ;moved there several years ago

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> Oh, I read one of his books, not that one - it was excellent!

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 5and wrote the book to help refute that herasy teaching

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 5I wonder if Stan knows about him don't know just where he lives

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> Great! Thanks for the tip, Gran!

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 5I am glad to do so deaar freind

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> I had been thinking of ordering it - there is a companion video, I think?

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 5I know what a blessing this chat can be so want to get that good word out

[20:39] <cocoon-VHL> 57Bob - Tell us where your heart is tonight with Isa 40

[20:40] <called_out-VHL> 10Bob, do you think Isaiah 40 is future?

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 5he did not mention that

[20:40] <dovecry-VHL> plus i have one ? for you Bob

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Before, we start, I have to apologize to someone from Thursday....

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> she is not here, but she might read the log

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> I was too harsh in one of my comments to Incense on something we did not agree on

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> and I am sorry

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 5yes well so you did dear but it is good for you to say so

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 5well all love you

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 5we

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[20:41] <called_out-VHL> 10:)

[20:41] <Connienshop> we need more christians like you Bob.

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Called, yes, much or all of Isaiah 40 is future

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 5it is too easy to do that and just to let it go

[20:41] <Connienshop> not afraid or to proud to say i am sorry

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[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Isaiah is broken into two major sections

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> and chapter 40 is the beginning of the second section

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> and it introduces the theme of Messiah's coming

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> and Israel's restoration

[20:42] <cocoon-VHL> 7What is the division about for the two sections and why is 40 the beg of the 2nd?

[20:42] <dovecry-VHL> Father, Bless this person, that she would read this transcripts, Lord touch her heart, concerming this matter. and thank You Jesus, , in Your name, Amen.

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> Amen

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 5amen

[20:43] <Connienshop> A,en

[20:43] <cocoon-VHL> 7Amdn

[20:43] <Connienshop> Amen

[20:43] <cocoon-VHL> 7AMEN

[20:43] <dovecry-VHL> Hal-le-lu-jah

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> I don't know the answer to those questions, Cocoon, but the two sections are different enough that scholars (unbelievers) think that they were written by 2 different people

[20:43] <dovecry-VHL> Ok, what is the topic today Bob?:-)

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> one much later then the other

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> primarily, because....

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Cyrus of Persia is mentioned by name in the 2nd section, many many years before he came to power

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> and so the liberal scholars say "of course that had to be written after the fact"

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> instead of realizing that God knows the beginning from the end :)

[20:45] <cocoon-VHL> 7AMEN

[20:45] <Connienshop> Bob, and everyone . Did you know that book of Daniel also speaks on the end of times. It goes along with Revelation

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Let's look at the briefly

[20:45] <dovecry-VHL> So Right

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Connie, Daniel coincides with Revelation on many things

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> I had not planned on this, but let's look at the Cyrus citation briefly

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[20:46] <VCI-Bob> does anyone know who he was?

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> After the exile in Babylon.....

[20:47] <cocoon-VHL> 7Wa he the one that allowed Israel to return to the Promised Land

[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 5King of Syria?

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> He issued this proclamation

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, in order to fulfill the word of the LORD spoken by Jeremiah, the LORD moved the heart of Cyrus king of Persia to make a proclamation throughout his realm and to put it in writing: (2 Chronicles 36:22 NIV)

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> "This is what Cyrus king of Persia says: "'The LORD, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth and he has appointed me to build a temple for him at Jerusalem in Judah. Anyone of his people among you--may the LORD his God be with him, and let him go up.'" (2 Chronicles 36:23 NIV)

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Which the Lord foretold through Isaiah at least 150 years earlier BY NAME:

[20:48] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob was it Neimia (sp) that was the Kings cup bearer

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> (God) says of Cyrus, 'He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of Jerusalem, "Let it be rebuilt," and of the temple, "Let its foundations be laid."' (Isaiah 44:28 NIV)

[20:49] <Annie-VHL> shalom all is this king of Persia from where?

[20:49] <light2-VHL> Bob can I throw something in here

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> The Persians were the successors of the Babylonians as far as world empires

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> yes, Light :)

[20:49] <light2-VHL> You have all heard of the temple mount faithful

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> The Lord also said this of Cyrus:

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> I will raise up Cyrus in my righteousness: I will make all his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free, but not for a price or reward, says the LORD Almighty." (Isaiah 45:13 NIV)

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 5bob Iran is modern day Persia right

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran

[20:50] <light2-VHL> Well there is an article where their founder Gershon Salomon has said he thinks Christ is coming on a tank

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 5well I do get somethings right

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 5"_)

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[20:50] <Annie-VHL> thanks Gran for asking that

[20:51] <light2-VHL> http://www.ashevilletribune.com/salomon.htm

[20:51] <light2-VHL> about 19 paragraphs down

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> Thanks for the article, Light - I'll take a look at it :)

[20:51] <light2-VHL> I think the people in Jerusalem are presently ripe for deception of coming Anti Christ

[20:52] <Connienshop> Bob, do you think the anti-Christ is coming out of Europe?

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 5on a tank good greif what next?

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 5I will too light thanks

[20:52] <dovecry-VHL> i don't claim to know alot of prophecy, but my spirit agrees with you there light2

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Connie, there are different viewpoints of that - some think he is going to be from Europe, others from Russia, or Syria

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> I don't know, Connie :)

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[20:53] <called_out-VHL> 10I read the article. I think he was meaning the Lord would come back In Power.

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Connie

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 5Hey Bez you are mighty quite tonight

[20:53] <light2-VHL> My answer is, and I am sure that is the answer of G-d, he will come on an Israeli tank with

[20:53] <olive-VHL> shalom all

[20:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Kinda back and forth Gran.

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 5olive shalom

[20:54] <Connienshop> I think at times he is coming from Europe but am no sure either

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 5O K

[20:54] <Annie-VHL> sshalom olive

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Connie, you were asking about the 2 sections of Isaiah? The first 39 chapters deal somewhat with judgment on various nations....

[20:54] <light2-VHL> , he will come on an Israeli tank withthis flag," holding up the Temple Mouth Faithful flag, a variation of the Israeli one with the

[20:54] <called_out-VHL> 10I have heard that the ac will be an arab?

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> but generally, the last part deals mainly with the restoration of Israel and the coming of Messiah

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 5well who ever he is the Jews will have to accept him

[20:55] <Connienshop> yes

[20:55] <light2-VHL> a variation of the Israeli one with thepromised boundaries at its center.

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Called, I don't know where they get that idea, I dont see it anywhere

[20:55] <light2-VHL> those are exact words of this guy

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[20:56] <Connienshop> I know i am gong to be looking to the east

[20:56] <Annie-VHL> I heard on a Jewish station this a.m. that the ac will be King Charles of England

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 5well i just don't agree with just anyone espectilly if they are off the wall

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[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Annie, I've heard that too - there is no shortage of speculation on who it will be

[20:56] <called_out-VHL> 10I heard that too Annie

[20:56] <called_out-VHL> 10right gran

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> but I don't really get too caught up in all that - I try to keep focused on what the Scriptures focus on :)

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 5and he sounds off the wall to me

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 5amenBob

[20:57] <Connienshop> that's right, me to Bob

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 5and Rev does not mention a tank but a white horse

[20:57] <called_out-VHL> 10me three Bob

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:57] <connied52-VHL> Hi everyone, so glad I get to be a part of this one intead of always just reading them later!

[20:57] <light2-VHL> Well with the launching of the International Space Station and comparing it to Isaiah 14:12-24

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> We are glad you are here, Connie!

[20:58] <Connienshop> that's right ran

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> We have two Connies now :)

[20:58] <light2-VHL> We may just be around the corner from the coming of the Son of Perdition

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 5i am just old I guess but they have already waisted too much money on all the space shoots etc

[20:58] <Annie-VHL> shalom Connie

[20:58] <Connienshop> i'm sorry >I meant to say Gran

[20:58] <dovecry-VHL> wow!, do we

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 5Connie shalom

[20:58] <light2-VHL> http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/station/index.html

[20:58] <connied52-VHL> how is everyone?

[20:58] <littleone-VHL> 2Bob, isn'nt Magog represented by Russia according to prohecy and the Magog and the other countries such as Syria, Iran., etc. that surround Israel will attack once more all in accord to destroy Israel..and then the Mighty Power of God shall be reveal again and Israel will win?

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 5no problem connie

[20:59] <littleone-VHL> 2correct me if I am wrong

[20:59] <light2-VHL> Gran its no waste of money to the Anti Christ it is his work

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> Yes, that's a good summary, little one, of Eze 38 & 39, though Syria may not be involved in that scenario

[20:59] <light2-VHL> This is the station that will also help change us to Atomic Time

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[20:59] <VCI-Bob> the countries it mentions are:

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[20:59] <VCI-Bob> in modern terms,

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Russia, Libya, Sudan, Iran, Turkey, and some European countries

[21:00] <Connienshop> i hope i am one of his elect that can't be deceived

[21:00] <light2-VHL> This station orbits the earth every 40 minutes

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Connie, if you keep listening to the words of the Lord, you won't be deceived

[21:01] <littleone-VHL> 2Thank you Bob. I appreciate the clarity of your response and to tell me the right names

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[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 5Rich shalom

[21:01] <Rich-VHL> 7hi gran

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> That's from Ezekiel 38:1-5, by the way

[21:02] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Bob and all

[21:02] <called_out-VHL> 10Hii Rich :)

[21:02] <Gran-VHL> 5light nothing the gov does bothers the AC for sure

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Rich! :)

[21:02] <olive-VHL> hi Rich

[21:02] <Annie-VHL> where are we in all of this ? Or---are we gone?

[21:02] <littleone-VHL> 2hello Rich

[21:02] <light2-VHL> According to Isaiah he trys to asend into heaven and if you notice later in the verses he is a man brought down

[21:02] <connied52-VHL> 6Hi Rich

[21:03] <Annie-VHL> shalom Rich

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> I was reading in Job today....

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> in the Lord's response to Job, I though this was insightful...

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> let me find it

[21:03] <Rich-VHL> 7hi olive and littleone and called and bez Love all you folks

[21:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Rich.

[21:03] <called_out-VHL> 10Rich :)

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Remember, when God answered Job's complaints?

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> 5yes

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> With the awesome recitation of His deeds?

[21:04] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Bob

[21:04] <light2-VHL> where were You??

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> He included this, which is a picture of His coming:

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Do you have an arm like God's, and can your voice thunder like his? (Job 40:9 NIV)

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Then adorn yourself with glory and splendor, and clothe yourself in honor and majesty. (Job 40:10 NIV)

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Unleash the fury of your wrath, look at every proud man and bring him low, (Job 40:11 NIV)

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> look at every proud man and humble him, crush the wicked where they stand. (Job 40:12 NIV)

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Bury them all in the dust together; shroud their faces in the grave. (Job 40:13 NIV)

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Then I myself will admit to you that your own right hand can save you. (Job 40:14 NIV)

[21:05] <littleone-VHL> 2Will you please excusame for a while, but I need to finish making a special dish for my daughter. I shall return

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> It was in the long list of things that God asked Job "Can you do THIS?"

[21:05] <Gran-VHL> 5OK

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> See ya soon, Littleone :)

[21:05] <Rich-VHL> 7Ok littleone

[21:05] <Gran-VHL> 5lilttleone

[21:06] <littleone-VHL> 2I shall be back Bob and GranO

[21:06] <littleone-VHL> 2Gran

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> It's reminiscent of some prophecies in Isaiah as well

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 5thats ok makes me speacil :)

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 5oops

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 5special

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> So man will be brought low and mankind humbled-- do not forgive them. (Isaiah 2:9 NIV)

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> Go into the rocks, hide in the ground from dread of the LORD and the splendor of his majesty! (Isaiah 2:10 NIV)

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> The eyes of the arrogant man will be humbled and the pride of men brought low; the LORD alone will be exalted in that day. (Isaiah 2:11 NIV)

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> The LORD Almighty has a day in store for all the proud and lofty, for all that is exalted (and they will be humbled), (Isaiah 2:12 NIV)

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Bob it sure does

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> You are special, Gran :)

[21:07] <light2-VHL> Gran I thought she was going to call youGranola :->

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> LOL

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[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 5oh you kids are too much

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 5I love it

[21:07] <Rich-VHL> 7every knee will bow to the Lord Jesus

[21:07] <connied52-VHL> 6:-)

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> amen, Rich!

[21:07] <connied52-VHL> 6Amen

[21:08] <Gran-VHL> 5amen Rich

[21:08] <Annie-VHL> amen Rich

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> :) Nice to be called a "kid" Gran when my kids think I'm old :)

[21:08] <called_out-VHL> 10me too Bob

[21:08] <Gran-VHL> 5well my kids know I am old

[21:08] <Rich-VHL> 7for He is King of kings and Lord of lords

[21:08] <called_out-VHL> 10lol

[21:08] <Gran-VHL> 5because they are too

[21:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Even better, Bob, when your Grandkids think you're old.

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> Amen, Rich

[21:09] <called_out-VHL> 10You know you are getting old when your kids look middle aged.

[21:09] <Gran-VHL> 5I will be 70 in Jan so I can claim older than the rest of you all

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> in my reading in Job, I thought of Clinton and Gore when I read this:

[21:09] <Gran-VHL> 5my oldest is 51 in a few days

[21:09] <light2-VHL> Your young compared to Methusala!!

[21:09] <Rich-VHL> 7Only in earthly years Gran

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> Can he who hates justice govern? Will you condemn the just and mighty One? (Job 34:17 NIV)

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> Is he not the One who says to kings, 'You are worthless,' and to nobles, 'You are wicked,' (Job 34:18 NIV)

[21:09] <called_out-VHL> 10We will all soon have new bodies

[21:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm 51, and my mother's "baby"

[21:09] <Gran-VHL> 5boy I can't wait to get my new body

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> who shows no partiality to princes and does not favor the rich over the poor, for they are all the work of his hands? (Job 34:19 NIV)

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> They die in an instant, in the middle of the night; the people are shaken and they pass away; the mighty are removed without human hand. (Job 34:20 NIV)

[21:10] <light2-VHL> Oh by the way the UN has offered Clinton a job

[21:10] <light2-VHL> http//newscenter.about.com/news/index.htm

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 5Bez I have seven younger than him

[21:10] <Rich-VHL> 7I'm 51 too bez

[21:10] <light2-VHL> * A Possible New Job for Clinton

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> I'm 42, so I am the "kid" here :)

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 5bob you sure have that right

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> thanks, Light, for the article :)

[21:11] <Rich-VHL> 7but wiser than your years Bob

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> I wish, Rich :) One day, perhaps :)

[21:11] <light2-VHL> I just hope they don't let him go up in the International Space Station!!:->

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 5now Rich we don't want Bob to get the big head on us:)

[21:11] <connied52-VHL> 66You seem to know quite a bit for your age!

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[21:11] <Annie-VHL> which Clinton was offered the job? him or her

[21:11] <light2-VHL> Wait a minute, maybe that would be a good place for him

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> knowing a bit, and wisdom, are very different things :)

[21:12] <light2-VHL> Him

[21:12] <Rich-VHL> 7we hope he doesn't gran

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 5light only if he can';t come back to bug us again

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Light, I was thinking that also :)

[21:12] <called_out-VHL> 10:->

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 5or her which ever

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[21:12] <Annie-VHL> I thought she would be after that job if she doesn't make Senator here

[21:12] <connied52-VHL> 6Yes, we all need more wisdom

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 5well he has to wear that crown you know

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:13] <light2-VHL> Hey when I saw how Isaiah 14 is talking about more than just Lucifer and actually could mean the AC because it says he destroys all the cities of the world

[21:13] <called_out-VHL> 10That does describe Clinton Bob

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Yes, that's right, Light - it's talking about both, I think

[21:13] <light2-VHL> Well they man it( the station in Nov) coming up real soon

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Should we take a look at that?

[21:14] <Annie-VHL> Him and Her??? King and queen

[21:14] <connied52-VHL> 6Has anyone here heard from "cool" lately? I was wondering if he was all right with all those fires in Montana?

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Isaiah 14, and Ezekiel 28, are the 2 primary passages that discuss the rebellion of Satan

[21:14] <light2-VHL> Go from Isa 14:14-17

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 5I have not connied

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> In Isaiah 14, Satan (and probably the antichrist in conjuction) are referred to as the "King of Babylon"

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> and Isaiah 14 is a taunt, in light of his ultimate demise

[21:15] <Gran-VHL> 5lliight I saw them building it today what a scary place to be

[21:16] <light2-VHL> Really

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> it's spoken from the viewpoint of someone who is viewing him in hell after its' all over

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5yes so it does Bob

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended! (Isaiah 14:4 NIV)

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> The LORD has broken the rod of the wicked, the scepter of the rulers, (Isaiah 14:5 NIV)

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> which in anger struck down peoples with unceasing blows, and in fury subdued nations with relentless aggression. (Isaiah 14:6 NIV)

[21:16] <light2-VHL> I'd hate to be in their shoes, ( maybe I should say suits!!)

[21:16] <Connienshop> Bob, do you think that Moses and Elijah are going to be the 2 raised from the dead to reign on earth again before the comig of Christ?

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5yes me too light

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> Can we defer that question for a minute, Connie? :)

[21:17] <Connienshop> ok

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> thanks :)

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> verse 9 speaks of Satan's reception as he is "greeted" on his descent to hell

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> The grave below is all astir to meet you at your coming; it rouses the spirits of the departed to greet you-- all those who were leaders in the world; it makes them rise from their thrones-- all those who were kings over the nations. (Isaiah 14:9 NIV)

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> They will all respond, they will say to you, "You also have become weak, as we are; you have become like us." (Isaiah 14:10 NIV)

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> All your pomp has been brought down to the grave, along with the noise of your harps; maggots are spread out beneath you and worms cover you. (Isaiah 14:11 NIV)

[21:18] <light2-VHL> Hey verse six sounds better in kjvHe who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

[21:19] <Rich-VHL> 7that sounds like satan is man not just a spirit

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> all of the men of great power in the past who are there greet him

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> why's that, Rich?

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 5sure sounds like a very large crowd

[21:19] <Rich-VHL> 7it must be speaking of the antichrist

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> verses 12 and following speak of Satan's initial rebellion:

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! (Isaiah 14:12 NIV)

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 5satan is the one cast down from heaven

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> "morning star" is Lucifer in v 12

[21:20] <light2-VHL> Yes Rich it is a man in verse 16

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. (Isaiah 14:13 NIV)

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." (Isaiah 14:14 NIV)

[21:21] <connied52-VHL> 6Yes, I believe at one time he was God's highest praise angel, am I right?

[21:21] <Rich-VHL> 7yes thats right my memory failed me once again

[21:21] <light2-VHL> Yes I have heard that too Connie

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Connie

[21:21] <connied52-VHL> 6How sad to have been so close to God and throw it all away

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> 5Lucifer had in struments built into his body

[21:21] <called_out-VHL> 10morning star is Lucifer? isn't that strange

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> It tells us that in Ezekiel 28

[21:22] <light2-VHL> He tries to rule the congregation of the North, which is Mount Zion

[21:22] <Rich-VHL> 7then he is part man and machine Gran

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5he was also head siinger and leader of singers no wonder he wants to control music here on earth

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5He was head angle rich

[21:22] <called_out-VHL> 10that's an interesting thought gran

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 5angel

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 5well it was what i learned years ago called

[21:23] <light2-VHL> For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

[21:23] <light2-VHL> Isa 14:13

[21:23] <connied52-VHL> 6What audacity

[21:23] <called_out-VHL> 10it true Gran :)

[21:23] <light2-VHL> cp withBeautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 5he thoujght since he was so beautiful that he wanted to be as big as God

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[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 5pride was his downfall

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Yes, here it is in the NIV: and isnt this interesting in light of the current contention for the temple mount!

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. (Isaiah 14:13 NIV)

[21:24] <light2-VHL> Ps 48:2

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> That's why Satan wants the Temple Mount so bad

[21:24] <Rich-VHL> 7I just can't understand how satan thought he could win a war with God

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 5yes

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> He knows it's the ultimate ruling place of the Lord Jesus

[21:24] <called_out-VHL> 10pride

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Brayna!

[21:25] <light2-VHL> Or the church of God, which is also called Mount Zion

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob it is funny how it is called the Temple mount even by the Muslims

[21:25] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Brayna

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> 5Brayna shalom

[21:25] <Annie-VHL> shalom Brayna

[21:25] <connied52-VHL> 6Hi, Brayna

[21:25] <called_out-VHL> 10wonder why they don't call it the mosque mount gran?

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> 5since they don't use that word temple but mosque

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Here is a news quote from Arutz Sheva, on this subject:

[21:26] <Brayna-VHL> 4Shalom! Are you talking about Arafat?

[21:26] <Gran-VHL> 5Called :)

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> when the Palestine Chronicle published its own version of Middle Eastern history. Quoting the book of Micah, Mohammed Khodr writes: 'Hear this, you leaders of the house of Jacob, you rulers of the house of Israel, who despise justice and distort all that is right; who build Zion with bloodshed, and Jerusalem with wickedness...' Jerusalem, Al-Quds... You were meant as a divine holy city of peace from the One Almighty God to the true believers among the children of Abraham, peace be

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> upon him, yet now the children of Judah seek exclusive rights to you to the exclusion of the faithful Christians and Muslims."

[21:26] <Rich-VHL> 7what about arafat Brayna

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> What a bunch of rubbish, huh

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> How dare they quote a prophet of Yahweh!

[21:26] <Connienshop> i've enjoyed this evryone .I must go. 2am is going to come early for me . God bless you and keep you all.

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Bob

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> God bless, Connie!!

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> Thanks so much for coming here!

[21:27] <Rich-VHL> 7thats right Bob

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[21:27] <light2-VHL> But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 5Gopd bless you Connie

[21:27] <called_out-VHL> 10Bye Connie

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 5where are you

[21:27] <Rich-VHL> 7night connie

[21:27] <light2-VHL> To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

[21:27] <Brayna-VHL> 4I am particularly upset when I hear Arafat lately speak as though he is the representative for Christians!

[21:27] <light2-VHL> Heb 12:22-23

[21:28] <Annie-VHL> night Connien God Bless

[21:28] <Rich-VHL> 7me too Brayna

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> 5Yes I saw that Brayna and the Pope corrected him

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> and listen to this astonishing quote!

[21:28] <called_out-VHL> 10oh well

[21:28] <Annie-VHL> Good night Connien and God Bless

[21:28] <called_out-VHL> 10it had to be the pope

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> Acccording to Khodr, Jerusalem's history extends back 5000-6000 years "when the Cannanites, Jebusites, Amorites, and Hittites owned the land and passed it on to their descendents, the Palestinians, who never left the land." He then quotes a book, entitled Palestine - Muhammeden Holy Land, which states that the "Arabs of Palestine are the historic people of the land, and the country has always been theirs... Over time some of the Palestinians became Jews, Christians, and Muslims but

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> they are the true owners of Palestine."

[21:28] <Brayna-VHL> 4amazing

[21:28] <light2-VHL> He is tight with the Pope Brayna

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> 5its amaziing that no Christian leader corrected him tho

[21:29] <Annie-VHL> Good night Connien and God Bless

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[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Talk about identifying yourself with losers! They are saying they are the descendants of the Caananites!

[21:29] <Rich-VHL> 7kinda twisted isn't he

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> very

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[21:29] <Gran-VHL> 5well look where he was raised and how

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> but, in a sense, God will fulfill that word

[21:29] <light2-VHL> Which Israel must not have wiped out like they were suppose to do in the first place!!

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 5yes for sure Bob

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> if they wish to identify with those who oppose Him, so be it

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 7the ancient Israeli's should have done like God said and got rid of all the canaanites

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 5yes light

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 5they made that mistake too many times

[21:31] <light2-VHL> Not only that they still want to worship the idols, Little statues of Mary and the Saints with all the other papist abominations

[21:31] <Gran-VHL> 5yes that is how I see it also light

[21:31] <Rich-VHL> 7but if they had done that we would not have today

[21:31] <Gran-VHL> 5and seeing Mary all over the world

[21:31] <light2-VHL> God is going to destry all their shrines

[21:31] <Brayna-VHL> 4I am concerned that many (or most) Christian people who work with the Muslims, even in Israel, do not understand God's eternal promoises re: the land and the Jews, and they are teaching the new Chrisitan Arabs wrongly - or just yielding to their sensibilities, which do not line up with God's word. It is a great shame!

[21:31] <light2-VHL> destroy

[21:31] <Gran-VHL> 5as if they know what she looks like

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it is, Brayna, a great shame

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Brayna

[21:32] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Brayna

[21:32] <light2-VHL> They aren't going to even have a clue till the covenant is broken the AC is ruling and Christ comes to deliever

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 5I have heard that the present Pope is a Marion also

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> We know that any Arab who confesses the name of Jesus is our brother or sister....

[21:33] <Annie-VHL> it's terrible Brayna

[21:33] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Bob

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> but if they align themselves against Israel they are defying God's purposes for Israel, her ultimate redemption

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 5amen anyone who does is

[21:33] <Rich-VHL> 7all that call on Jesus's name will be saved

[21:33] <light2-VHL> The covenate is already broken, they just don't know it

[21:34] <called_out-VHL> 10Marion Gran?

[21:34] <light2-VHL> worshiper of Mary

[21:34] <called_out-VHL> 10OH I see. thanks

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> I had an interesting chat with Kathy, one of the room "regulars" about the famous verse in Daniel that speaks of the 70th week of Daniel.......

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 7Bob if the muslum converts to christianity are true they won't betray Israel

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> Daniel 9:27

[21:35] <Brayna-VHL> 4Yes, Bob... it is true, yet was very difficult to have meaningful discussions or prayer aboiut these issues which we see and pray about! I'd encourage us to pray for those missionaries/pastors/teachers that God has called to the Middle East, that their eyes wouyld be opened... perhaps this right thining would open doors of conversion in the Muslim world?

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Rich, one would think so, but like Brayna said, many of them are getting bad teaching re: Israel

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> that feeds on the generations of hatred

[21:36] <Annie-VHL> I believe at the last God will call out HIS own from every denomination those who are his and Called by HIS name

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Amen, Annie

[21:36] <Rich-VHL> 7we will know our brethren by their fruits said our Lord

[21:36] <Brayna-VHL> 4AMEN!

[21:36] <called_out-VHL> 10amen,

[21:37] <light2-VHL> Amen

[21:37] <Gran-VHL> 5bob what was that

[21:37] <called_out-VHL> 10My sheep know my voice

[21:37] <called_out-VHL> 10Daniel 9:27

[21:37] <light2-VHL> Amen

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> What light said about the "breaking of the peace treaty" brought it to mind

[21:37] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen Annie

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> because it doesn't say that, exactly - that's the popular interpretation

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." (Daniel 9:27 NIV)

[21:38] <light2-VHL> Who ever is behind this One World One Light thing is also in league with the arab nations against Israel

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> I'm no Hebrew scholar, but we looked at the words a little

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> in that verse

[21:38] <connied52-VHL> 6I believe those who truly love God and are seeking Him, that He will show them somehow about His covenant with His people and the Land He has given them

[21:38] <Rich-VHL> 7then there has to be a new Temple

[21:38] <called_out-VHL> 10listening Bob

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> 1285. beriyth, ber-eeth'; from H1262 (in the sense of cutting [like H1254]); a compact (because made by passing between pieces of flesh):--confederacy, [con-]feder[-ate], covenant, league.

[21:38] <light2-VHL> Also the Bethlehem 2000 medalion is put out in same style and replica as the Palestianian web site

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> That's the word translated "covenant"

[21:39] <light2-VHL> So any one who gives that medal to someone is supporting Arafat

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> which is assumed by most popular teachers to be a peace treaty

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> but it does not say that exactly

[21:39] <dovecry-VHL> Yes I believe God has people in every corner of the globe, and in every so called religon, and when He calls them out, their so called structure is going to collaps around them, and then they will have to know and believe in the one true God

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> and who are the "many

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> ""many"??

[21:39] <olive-VHL> I read in Micah about God's coming judgment on Israel and Judah. God's indictments of His people and the deliverance of a remnant and then the ultimate triumph of righteousness

[21:39] <light2-VHL> I saw it offered by TBN Virtual Memory program for teens, I wonder if they know it supports Rammalah

[21:40] <Rich-VHL> 7but when they say at last peace and safety then comes sudden destruction Bob

[21:40] <called_out-VHL> 10many?

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> It's a confirmation of an agreement, treaty, or league with the "many"

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[21:40] <VCI-Bob> 7227. rab, rab; by contr. from H7231; abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank, quality):--(in) abound (-undance, -ant, -antly), captain, elder, enough, exceedingly, full, great (-ly, man, one), increase, long (enough, [time]), (do, have) many (-ifold, things, a time), ([ship-]) master, mighty, more, (too, very) much, multiply (-tude), officer, often [-times], plenteous, populous, prince, process [of time], suffice (-ient).

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> rab is the word for "many"

[21:40] <connied52-VHL> 6You mean the nations, Bob?

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Any Hebrew speakers in here?

[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7with many nations Bob

[21:41] <light2-VHL> This peace thing is a hoax, Also I wonder why they are trying to get young Jews registered in the US by offering free trips to Israel

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> that's what I'm thinking

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> that it's not a treaty with Israel at all

[21:41] <called_out-VHL> 10wow

[21:41] <light2-VHL> You have to give your Social Security # to get a free trip to Israel

[21:41] <light2-VHL> I don't think so

[21:41] <called_out-VHL> 10what is it Bob

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> but a league or confederacy with the "many"

[21:41] <light2-VHL> something is fishy in Denmark

[21:42] <called_out-VHL> 10many nations....10 nations?

[21:42] <Gran-VHL> 5US light

[21:42] <Rich-VHL> 7is that why their thinking of making Jersalem an international city Bob

[21:42] <light2-VHL> Yes Gran They want them to go for free

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> Rich, that may have something to do with it....

[21:42] <called_out-VHL> 10ten horns

[21:42] <Brayna-VHL> 4In the Jerusalem Post, the articles said they are trying to forge a stronger link with Israel and Jewish idenitiy with young Jews who are "in danger of being assimilated."

[21:42] <Gran-VHL> 5amen

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> and I think the rest of the verse gives us a clue

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." (Daniel 9:27 NASB)

[21:43] <connied52-VHL> 6Well, God could use this to bring some of His people back to their land, no matter what anyone else's plans or for

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> perhaps....

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> the agreement has something to do with the temple, with the restoration of sacrifices

[21:43] <Rich-VHL> 7I've heard that Jersalem might be the capital of the world if the u.n. has its way Bob

[21:43] <light2-VHL> http://www.funtour.co.il

[21:43] <light2-VHL> Here is the site by VJ

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> but in the middle of the week, the antichrist violates the agreement, and puts a stop to it, declaring himself as god

[21:44] <Annie-VHL> so many sneekey things going on

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> just some thoughts, anyway

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> But, my point was this:

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> we should not assume that it is "a seven year peace treaty with Israel" just because that is the popular interpretation of the verse

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> because it does not say that exactly

[21:45] <dovecry-VHL> Bob.. and all my great friends. I must go now, but i wanted to ask you Bob a question about www.trumpetsound.com i think that is the name of the address? Can I e-mail you there?

[21:45] <light2-VHL> You'd better believe it Annie, the Jews were made to register before Hitler did anything bad to them

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 7its hard to want to see these things comming to pass but we are looking for Jesus real soon and that makes it worth seeing what is happening

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> you can email me at Bob_Westbrook@zionmail.com

[21:45] <connied52-VHL> 6dovecry, it was great seeing you here, we will keep you in our prayers

[21:45] <light2-VHL> All so innocent a free trip, ( my folks always told me nothing in life is free!!!!!)

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Dove, we are glad you are doing well now :)

[21:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'll keep you in my prayers, Dove....God Bless You.

[21:46] <called_out-VHL> 10Blessings Dove :)

[21:46] <Gran-VHL> 5dove god bless you keep getting better

[21:46] <light2-VHL> God Bless Dove

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Light, I must say, that sounds a little paranoid to me - no offense :)

[21:46] <Rich-VHL> 7God Blees dove

[21:46] <Rich-VHL> 7Bless

[21:46] <Annie-VHL> God Bless Dove

[21:46] <light2-VHL> Well maybe the Jews in Germany should have been more Paranoid

[21:46] <Gran-VHL> 5well Bob if something sounds too good to be true than it usaully is

[21:47] <dovecry-VHL> thank you all. i love you , and am so greatful to our Lord for you:-)

[21:47] <light2-VHL> Then about 6 million of them would still be here

[21:47] <dovecry-VHL> Thanks Bez. i love you

[21:47] <Gran-VHL> 5yes light they just did not think it was happening

[21:47] <light2-VHL> I don't trust no man on earth

[21:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2We love you too, Dove.

[21:47] <Gran-VHL> 5and we you too dear

[21:47] <Gran-VHL> 5get some rest now

[21:47] <light2-VHL> Thats right Gran and history always repeats itself

[21:47] <dovecry-VHL> bye:-)

[21:47] <Connienshop> Bob, i hate to interrupt, but i have a important ? . If a person makes a voe to God, and he gets out of the covenant ith God, then when he comes back to God and repents , does he keep that vow he made with God. Even if he didn't keep the vow to start with. God says it's better not t make a vow, then to make it and not keep it. Right.

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[21:48] <connied52-VHL> 6Well, even if man means evil in this God can use it to bring His people back to the land He promised them

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> hoo boy - that's a tough one

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> A vow made to God is a very very serious thing

[21:48] <Rich-VHL> 7we can always repent Connied

[21:48] <Connienshop> true

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> that's why when young people say "I swear to God" almost as punctuation I cring

[21:49] <Gran-VHL> 5Connien if one feels convicted about the vow then it needs to be dealt with by repentance

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Good answers

[21:49] <Rich-VHL> 7me too Bob

[21:49] <Gran-VHL> 5and god will take it from there

[21:49] <Connienshop> but woldn't this person have to do his first works over?

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[21:50] <Gran-VHL> 5yes bob and when i hear Christains say I love her to death

[21:50] <Connienshop> i agree Gran

[21:50] <Gran-VHL> 5makes me wonder if they know what they are saying

[21:50] <Gran-VHL> 5sounds dumb to me

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Was that vow to God something good and beneficient?

[21:50] <Rich-VHL> 7they just don't know what their doing do they Gran

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[21:51] <Gran-VHL> 5Connien if one has repented perhaps one needs to repent of the vow and ask God about it

[21:51] <Connienshop> i believe so. God kept his part of it but this person didn't

[21:51] <Annie-VHL> Have to leave you all stay close to Jesus and Shalom

[21:51] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bye Annie

[21:51] <Gran-VHL> 5well repentance is the first way to go connien

[21:51] <connied52-VHL> 6take care, annie, God Bless

[21:51] <olive-VHL> there is repentance for everything except grieving away the Holy Spirit

[21:51] <light2-VHL> by Anne

[21:51] <Rich-VHL> 7that is what I was just thinking Gran

[21:51] <called_out-VHL> 10Bye Anne

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> I would say, personally, if that person could keep it now, and it's a good thing, he or she probably should - but that's just my opinion

[21:52] <Gran-VHL> 5annie shalom and God bless you

[21:52] <olive-VHL> I mean\\

[21:52] <Connienshop> True GRan

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Bye, Anne! Shalom!

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[21:52] <VCI-Bob> A few minutes ago, someone asked a question, and I asked to defer it....

[21:53] <Gran-VHL> 5because the way of repentance cleanses all sin

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> who was that, and what was the question?

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> yes, Gran :)

[21:53] <connied52-VHL> 6the seriousness of vows is something most of us hasn't grasped yet, still learning myself more and more

[21:53] <Gran-VHL> 5and that should wipe out the vow unless the person really feels convicted about it

[21:53] <Rich-VHL> 7its like keeping ones word isn't it Connied

[21:54] <Connienshop> True Bob. But i just didn't know what to think o this. Everyday is a learning process connied

[21:54] <olive-VHL> I really meant there is forgiveness for anything except the grieving away of the Holy Spirit .

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Yes, remember Jephthah

[21:54] <Gran-VHL> 5someone asked about the 2 witnesses

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> oh yes, thanks, Gran

[21:54] <Brayna-VHL> 4t he Holy Spirit can teach you the way you should go

[21:54] <Gran-VHL> 5and who you think they will be

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> and if I thought they were Moses and Elijah?

[21:54] <light2-VHL> I think that it is only Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit not grieving of him

[21:54] <Rich-VHL> 7your right there olive

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> well, Eljiah's on the way, for sure :) that much is very clear :)

[21:55] <light2-VHL> every time we sin we grieve the Spirit

[21:55] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen Bob

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> and he is probably one of the two

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> who the other one is, well, is only speculation

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> it could be Moses, yes

[21:55] <Connienshop> I think so to Bob

[21:55] <Gran-VHL> 5yes bob but you know how we Christains are we want to know who , what, where and when about everything

[21:55] <Rich-VHL> 7John says that all that are Christs do not sin light

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> there is some reason to believe it might be Moses

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> but, it's not so important who they are, but rather what they are doing, right?

[21:56] <light2-VHL> All that are Christs do not practice sin

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 7they don't practice sin in other words light

[21:56] <Gran-VHL> 5well I have always thojugt it would be those two

[21:56] <Gran-VHL> 5but the older I get the less it matters

[21:57] <light2-VHL> We can sin by doing absolutely nothing

[21:57] <olive-VHL> How do you know Elijah's is on the way Bob

[21:57] <light2-VHL> sins of ommision

[21:57] <Gran-VHL> 5I just need to be sure that i am right with the Lord

[21:57] <Brayna-VHL> 4me too, but more that we would recognize them by their actions and words, and death and rising up after 3 days

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> The things they will be doing are very very reminiscent of Moses and Elijah

[21:57] <Gran-VHL> 5and that others read the right things in my life

[21:57] <Connienshop> Gosh, i got to get n the bed. But i had to ask his ? first. Good night again.

[21:57] <Gran-VHL> 5true light

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. (Revelation 11:6 NIV)

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[21:58] <VCI-Bob> Remember how long Elijah prayed and it did not rain?

[21:58] <Gran-VHL> 5yes

[21:58] <light2-VHL> God Bless Connienshop

[21:58] <Gran-VHL> 5no

[21:58] <Rich-VHL> 7and remember Bob it was Moses and Elijah that came and talked with Jesus in the wilderness

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> three and a half years

[21:58] <Gran-VHL> 5connien god bless

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> and no, that's no coincidence :)

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> right, Rich

[21:58] <Gran-VHL> 5yes rich true

[21:59] <Brayna-VHL> 4where else did we read about 3 1/2 years???????

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Olive, because of this:

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 7by connied

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. (Malachi 4:5 NIV)

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> and....

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things.

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> even though John the Baptist was a partial fulfillment of the one who would prepare the way

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Elijah himself will come first

[22:00] <Rich-VHL> 7I hope I can talk to them when they get here don't you all

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Tell use, Brayna :)

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Tell us

[22:00] <Gran-VHL> 5Rich i would be happy to just see them

[22:01] <Gran-VHL> 5would be too awed to say anything

[22:01] <light2-VHL> Say Bob I am always getting interesting things sent to me and the other day I got sent thishttp://www.humanities.ccny.cuny.edu/history/reader/gullotine.htm

[22:01] <called_out-VHL> 10what things will Elijah restore?

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 7I know Gran me too but would like to talk to them too

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> Called out, I was just going to ask that myself :)

[22:01] <connied52-VHL> 6Rich, it was connienshop who left , I'm still here

[22:01] <Brayna-VHL> 4Revelation

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 7Oh I'm sorry connied

[22:02] <light2-VHL> the last person to die with this was in 1977, so maybe france will reinstitute it for the tribulation Saints

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> thanks, light :) you do keep us supplied with interesting things to read!

[22:02] <connied52-VHL> 6no problem

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Brayna, and Daniel also

[22:02] <Gran-VHL> 5light die with what?

[22:02] <light2-VHL> You like knowing that the person who invented it was a Surgeon

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[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Hello, Kathy! Shalom!

[22:03] <Gran-VHL> 5kathy shalom

[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Kathy

[22:03] <Gran-VHL> 5glad you could make it in

[22:03] <called_out-VHL> 10restore the temple maybe

[22:03] <light2-VHL> A gullotine Gran

[22:03] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Bob and everyone sorry I am late

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Kathy, I mentioned our discussion of Daniel 9:27 earlier in here :)

[22:03] <called_out-VHL> 10Hii Kathy :)

[22:03] <light2-VHL> They must still use them in France

[22:03] <Gran-VHL> 5oh my in 1977

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[22:03] <Brayna-VHL> 4what time is it where you are, Kathy?

[22:03] <connied52-VHL> 6Hi Kathy

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Dave!

[22:03] <Kathy-VHL> 1013

[22:03] <Gran-VHL> 5dave shalom

[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Dave

[22:03] <connied52-VHL> 6Hello, Dave

[22:03] <light2-VHL> Also it is interesting to know that France has made the Southern Baptist an illegal cult there now

[22:04] <dave-VHL> 3hello

[22:04] <light2-VHL> won't be long

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Ok, friends, I'm going to take a short break and go talk with my wife - see you in a few :) Keep on chatting :)

[22:04] <Gran-VHL> 5yes light I saw that

[22:04] <Kathy-VHL> Yes Bob Dan 9:27

[22:04] <Gran-VHL> 5seems hard to believe tho

[22:04] <Rich-VHL> 7isn't that something light

[22:04] <called_out-VHL> 10Baptists are not a cult

[22:04] <Gran-VHL> 5France has done some strnge things over the years

[22:04] <light2-VHL> Puts a whole new meaning to REV 20:4

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 7that is what Janet Reno said about all Christians here in the U.S

[22:05] <Gran-VHL> 5well kids I need to leave you all for now see you all on thrus night shalom and God bless you all

[22:05] <olive-VHL> before the coming day of the LORD and he will turn will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to their fathers lest I come and strike the earth with a curse Mal4;5,6

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 7that we are a cult

[22:05] <connied52-VHL> 6Yes, and the media perpetuates that

[22:05] <Gran-VHL> 5oh that Reno is a cult i think

[22:05] <Brayna-VHL> 4in French or Spanish (can't remember which) the word "cult" just means denomination

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 7I know Gran

[22:06] <Gran-VHL> 5Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[22:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bye Gran,

[22:06] <connied52-VHL> 6are you leaving us Gran

[22:06] <called_out-VHL> 10God Bless Gran , sleep well :)

[22:06] <light2-VHL> Well in this case it means and evangelical Christain

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 7Gog Bless Gran

[22:06] <light2-VHL> Gran God Bless

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 7Oh no God Bless Gran

[22:06] <Gran-VHL> 5I love you all and do hate to leave

[22:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And I'm going to go with Gran....night all, thanks for the community of Spirit.

[22:06] <connied52-VHL> 6Sleep well God Bless

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[22:07] <called_out-VHL> 10me too Bez, getting tired, good night all

[22:07] <Rich-VHL> 7see ya later Bez

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[22:07] <Rich-VHL> 7night called

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[22:07] <connied52-VHL> 6night Bez ,

[22:07] <connied52-VHL> 6night called

[22:07] <Kathy-VHL> gee I sure hate when I miss everything

[22:08] <connied52-VHL> 6glad you could join anyway

[22:08] <Kathy-VHL> The chats have been a real blessing and I have learned so much

[22:08] <Rich-VHL> 7we all Love the Lord all the time

[22:08] <light2-VHL> Amen Rich

[22:09] <Kathy-VHL> thats the only way do to it all the time

[22:09] <connied52-VHL> 6they are so good I mostly have to read them later, I rarely get to join at the time they are on

[22:09] <Kathy-VHL> I always have to read them again and again

[22:09] <Rich-VHL> 7and we show the world with our good feelings for all people

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[22:09] <Kathy-VHL> I need to make a copy of them and make a notebook

[22:10] <light2-VHL> Well you won't be popular for telling the Truth, Jesus wasnt

[22:10] <connied52-VHL> 6that's a good idea

[22:10] <Rich-VHL> 7even though all people will not accept our good will

[22:10] <Kathy-VHL> I am sure Bob has them all I will ask him

[22:10] <light2-VHL> You can love a man, but you better love him by telling him the truth

[22:10] <Kathy-VHL> amen Light

[22:10] <Rich-VHL> 7thats right light

[22:11] <Rich-VHL> 7only the truth can show Love

[22:11] <light2-VHL> Amen

[22:11] <connied52-VHL> 6many times though you have to earn the right to be heard in their lives, like ministering to the Jews and how that opens their hearts to the gospel

[22:11] <light2-VHL> We are living in Perilous times for sure

[22:11] <Kathy-VHL> exciting times though

[22:12] <Kathy-VHL> wonderful to be living in this age

[22:12] <Rich-VHL> 7yes connie d isn't that a shame

[22:12] <light2-VHL> Well the apostles preached and all were Martryed

[22:12] <Rich-VHL> 7as I think most of us will be light

[22:13] <light2-VHL> No one wants to hear that Salvation is a free because the Blood of the Lamb

[22:13] <light2-VHL> Yes Rich I know

[22:13] <light2-VHL> But I am ready to go for Him

[22:13] <connied52-VHL> 6God often uses peoples hard circumstances to make them ripe to hear the gospel from someone who reaches out it love first and meets their practical and emotional needs , then they can hear you

[22:13] <Rich-VHL> 7the world doesn't understand salvation light

[22:13] <connied52-VHL> 6in love

[22:13] <light2-VHL> Anytime it would be a honor to die for my Lord and Savior

[22:14] <olive-VHL> we should all be praying for the fruit of the spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfullness, gentleness, and, self control.

[22:14] <connied52-VHL> 6yes, olive

[22:14] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen olive

[22:14] <light2-VHL> That is a watered down version of the gospel, you have to speak as the Holy Spirit gives you the words

[22:14] <light2-VHL> Sometimes men will get saved and sometimes they will get angry

[22:15] <connied52-VHL> 6and they will know we are Christians by our love, if they don't see that in us, how and why would they believe

[22:15] <light2-VHL> Christ said that there were many widows in Israel in Elijahs day!!

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 7remember we can't say Jesus is Lord but only by the Holy Spitit

[22:15] <light2-VHL> Notice Elijah did not save them from hunger

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 7Spirit

[22:15] <light2-VHL> You must do what God tells you to do

[22:15] <light2-VHL> Not man

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 7can't type as usual

[22:16] <connied52-VHL> 6i'ts ok Rich

[22:16] <light2-VHL> Christ loved all, but compromised nothing

[22:16] <Kathy-VHL> God says for us to do all those things

[22:16] <light2-VHL> He would never compromise the truth

[22:16] <connied52-VHL> 6but he always met their practical needs

[22:17] <connied52-VHL> 6he had compassion on them

[22:17] <Kathy-VHL> He didnt compromise in the Word but He did compromise in the deed

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Ok, I

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> I am back

[22:17] <connied52-VHL> 6welcome back Bob

[22:17] <Rich-VHL> 7good Bob

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Looks like a few retired for the night :)

[22:17] <light2-VHL> I don't think he met every need, he fed the thousands , but they left when he offered the Bread of Life

[22:17] <Kathy-VHL> Good Bob I have a quetion

[22:17] <connied52-VHL> 6many were tired and needed to go

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Kathy?

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> (hope its not a hard one) :)

[22:18] <Kathy-VHL> do you have copies of the chats from a good while back it would be neat to get them and compile a notebook

[22:18] <Rich-VHL> 7yes and He wondered if the 12 would stay with Him light

[22:18] <Kathy-VHL> lol

[22:18] <Rich-VHL> 7but He really knew

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> oh, that's an easy one :) Yes, I have copies of all of them

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> or all of mine, anyway

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[22:18] <light2-VHL> Thats right Rich, were not in it for the practical needs, were in it for Love

[22:19] <Kathy-VHL> oh great is it possible for me to get some of them

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> Welcome back, littleone!

[22:19] <littleone-VHL> 2Thank you Bob. It is my pleasure

[22:19] <light2-VHL> But He does supply for us , quite well , always!

[22:19] <connied52-VHL> 6Hi littleone

[22:19] <Rich-VHL> 7hey littleone

[22:19] <littleone-VHL> 2Hi connie

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> sure, Kathy! I can email them to you

[22:19] <littleone-VHL> 2Hello Rich

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> is a .doc file ok? to open with WordPad?

[22:20] <connied52-VHL> 6the practical needs met show the love of Christ in action to them

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> or Word

[22:20] <Kathy-VHL> oh great I have Quick Verse and I can put my own notes in there it would be a good place to make notes taken from the chats so much information and ideas

[22:20] <Kathy-VHL> sure Doc will be fine I have the Word Pad

[22:20] <Rich-VHL> 7thats right connie d that is how we show them that we Love them by what we do for them

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> I use QuickVerse also, have had it for many years - it's a good Bible program

[22:21] <connied52-VHL> 6it would be good, Bob to have them from all the chats sometime, is it possible to get them all?

[22:21] <light2-VHL> Christ was more than practical, He laid down his life for us

[22:21] <Kathy-VHL> Yes I have had mine for a long time too dont have the latest version but this one is great I love the way you can do notes there

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> well, perhaps I should just put them out on my website

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> I'll do that instead - make them available from my website- www.trumpetsounds.com

[22:22] <Rich-VHL> 7thats why it is easier to minister to the poor they have need the rich think they hav no need

[22:22] <light2-VHL> Thats right Rich

[22:22] <Kathy-VHL> good Idea Bob it is a witnessing tool too you know

[22:23] <littleone-VHL> 2If we truly acknowledge who we are, how we are..How it is no possible to not know how needed we are

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> Earlier, we touched on Isaiah 40 just a little

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> Any of you fans of the music Handels Messiah?

[22:23] <light2-VHL> Yes love it

[22:23] <Rich-VHL> 7yes

[22:23] <connied52-VHL> 6Oh, yes Bob

[22:24] <olive-VHL> Yes oh yes

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> You know the beautiful song "He shall lead His flock"? I love that one

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> it's from Isaiah 40

[22:24] <connied52-VHL> 6Yes, beautiful

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> verse 11

[22:24] <light2-VHL> And He shall reign Forever and ev ev ver

[22:24] <Rich-VHL> 7I love all of Isaiah

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> Handel apparently was a student of the Word of God

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> He quoted from many different places

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> Job, Malachi, Isaiah, etc

[22:25] <Rich-VHL> 7he knew the Bible huh Bob

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> yup

[22:26] <light2-VHL> They probably let him read it in school

[22:26] <light2-VHL> :-)

[22:26] <Kathy-VHL> Isiah 40 ?

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> As you read in the chapters from Isaiah 40 and following....

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> here's a theme to look for....

[22:26] <Rich-VHL> 7and isn't it wondrfull how he left what he knew for the world to look at

[22:27] <Rich-VHL> 7and hear

[22:27] <connied52-VHL> 6He was also inpired by the Holy Spirit to write the Hallellujah chorus I understand

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> it continually compares the Lord, in cutting dialogue, to the "pretenders"

[22:27] <olive-VHL> so much of the psalms are through the bible

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> much as we discussed earlier in Job

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> for example:

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Asking rhetorical questions:

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Who has measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, or with the breadth of his hand marked off the heavens? Who has held the dust of the earth in a basket, or weighed the mountains on the scales and the hills in a balance? (Isaiah 40:12 NIV)

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Who has understood the mind of the LORD, or instructed him as his counselor? (Isaiah 40:13 NIV)

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him, and who taught him the right way? Who was it that taught him knowledge or showed him the path of understanding? (Isaiah 40:14 NIV)

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> To help us realize just HOW MUCH higher He is than WE are

[22:29] <light2-VHL> It makes His emptying of Himself to come to earth even a greater thing

[22:29] <Rich-VHL> 7He is our Father we are His children thats how High He is

[22:29] <light2-VHL> having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Light

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> True, Rich

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> we are children of the Most High God

[22:30] <light2-VHL> Thats why I love Him so, because He has done a great thing for us

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> yes, Light, and we just have a tiny inkling now of how great a thing it was

[22:30] <Rich-VHL> 7The God of Abraham Issac and Jacob

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> but soon, we will understand

[22:31] <light2-VHL> And He was willing to die, we must be willing to contend for the faith

[22:31] <Kathy-VHL> It is impossible to imagine how much He loves us when you think what He gave up to come to earth and die for us

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> Yes, indeed

[22:31] <connied52-VHL> 6almost beyond comprehension

[22:31] <Rich-VHL> 7just for us not for Himself

[22:32] <light2-VHL> The Spirit gives us the picture in our hearts of things too great to comprehend

[22:32] <connied52-VHL> 6and He would do it again if He had to

[22:32] <light2-VHL> For He has also given us the mind of Christ

[22:32] <connied52-VHL> 6But Praise God it is done

[22:32] <Rich-VHL> 7a peace the world can't understand light

[22:32] <olive-VHL> we are putting Jesus in past tense , He still loves us as always and proves it daily in our walk with Him.

[22:32] <light2-VHL> Amen and peace that nothing in this world can take away

[22:33] <light2-VHL> because the world did not give it to us

[22:33] <connied52-VHL> 6past, present, and future is what we all mean

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> That's one thing we can pray for each other -that we will begin to understand and appreciate more what He has done for us

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> because, for me, I know it doesn't sink it often enough

[22:33] <connied52-VHL> 6Yes, Bob

[22:33] <light2-VHL> The works are finished from the foundation of the world

[22:33] <light2-VHL> Amen Bob

[22:33] <Kathy-VHL> the more we realize that the more we realize just how much we do not deserve it too

[22:34] <connied52-VHL> 6amen to that

[22:34] <Rich-VHL> 7and what a Glorious future we have with Jesus

[22:34] <light2-VHL> Could never earn it ever

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Olive, Amen

[22:34] <olive-VHL> what He has done and what He is doing and what He is going to do Bob

[22:34] <connied52-VHL> 6it is such a wonder that He loved us so much

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> Yes :)

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> The best is yet to come :)

[22:34] <connied52-VHL> 6He is worthy of all our praise

[22:34] <light2-VHL> When we see Him face to face

[22:35] <light2-VHL> And worship Him in person

[22:35] <light2-VHL> My heart leaps

[22:35] <Rich-VHL> 7we are His brothers and sisters connie d He wouldn't give us up to satan

[22:35] <light2-VHL> We are his spouse also

[22:36] <Rich-VHL> 7very true light

[22:36] <light2-VHL> We are espoused to our Lord

[22:36] <light2-VHL> Song of Solomon is beautiful, I read it this morning

[22:36] <connied52-VHL> 6a favorite of mine

[22:36] <light2-VHL> We are his bride and he wants to lay His head in our bosom

[22:36] <Rich-VHL> 7yes light

[22:37] <littleone-VHL> 2The bride of Christ.. The daughter of Zion

[22:37] <olive-VHL> I was only thinking this morning in my prayers if I were really in front of Jesus on my knees , what would I say and how would I say them.

[22:37] <light2-VHL> I said yes Lord Lay thy head I love you

[22:37] <littleone-VHL> 2He alone will lead your heart

[22:37] <connied52-VHL> 6Yes, I picture Him right there

[22:37] <light2-VHL> You are in front of him, you come into his presence in prayer

[22:37] <connied52-VHL> 6He is so real

[22:37] <Rich-VHL> 7where two or more gathered that is where I will be too said Jesus

[22:37] <light2-VHL> He is so close,

[22:38] <littleone-VHL> 2Oh, the day He shall wipe all our tears

[22:38] <connied52-VHL> 6so precious

[22:38] <connied52-VHL> 6so tenderhearted

[22:38] <Rich-VHL> 7Jesus is here now with us can you all feel Himm

[22:38] <light2-VHL> Yes

[22:38] <littleone-VHL> 2So pure and so wounderful

[22:38] <connied52-VHL> 6I long to be in His physical presence to see His face

[22:39] <Rich-VHL> 7It will be Glory then connie d

[22:39] <connied52-VHL> 6to walk with Him in reality in heaven

[22:39] <light2-VHL> The Spirit is his physical presence and He is with us

[22:39] <olive-VHL> Yes Rich it is a wonderful feeling to feel His presence.

[22:40] <Rich-VHL> 7pure Love

[22:40] <light2-VHL> We don't even have to wait for heaven to fellowship with him

[22:40] <connied52-VHL> 6but just as we long to hold and hug those we love here on earth so I long to be able to do so with Jesus

[22:40] <light2-VHL> In His presence is fullness of joy

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> And here is one of His promises to Israel:

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> "Remember these things, O Jacob, for you are my servant, O Israel. I have made you, you are my servant; O Israel, I will not forget you. (Isaiah 44:21 NIV)

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> I have swept away your offenses like a cloud, your sins like the morning mist. Return to me, for I have redeemed you." (Isaiah 44:22 NIV)

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> Sing for joy, O heavens, for the LORD has done this; shout aloud, O earth beneath. Burst into song, you mountains, you forests and all your trees, for the LORD has redeemed Jacob, he displays his glory in Israel. (Isaiah 44:23 NIV)

[22:40] <Rich-VHL> 7If only the world could feel Him as we do

[22:41] <olive-VHL> no we don't we only have to get on our knees in our own room and be with God

[22:41] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen and Amen Bob

[22:41] <connied52-VHL> 6beautiful verse Bob

[22:41] <Kathy-VHL> Bob where are the promises to the Church

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> And to each of us - He was redeemed us, and He displays His glory in us :)

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> the glory of His grace

[22:41] <light2-VHL> Those are also the promises to the church for we are 2 made one

[22:42] <connied52-VHL> 6Yes, that it would shine more brightly

[22:42] <connied52-VHL> 6increasingly

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, (Ephesians 1:5 NASB)

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. (Ephesians 1:6 NASB)

[22:42] <connied52-VHL> 6amazing grace

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace (Ephesians 1:7 NIV)

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. (Ephesians 1:8 NIV)

[22:42] <light2-VHL> Galations And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

[22:43] <light2-VHL> Gal 6:16

[22:44] <Rich-VHL> 7this is what we will show the world very soon now

[22:44] <light2-VHL> I must go, so peace and God's Love to you all, walk with our Lord and stay close,

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[22:44] <connied52-VHL> 6Goodnight light

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> Good night, Light :)

[22:45] <Rich-VHL> 7by the Glory we give to Jesus when asked of the world they will know He is Alive

[22:45] <Kathy-VHL> Blessings Light

[22:45] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless light

[22:45] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Rich

[22:45] <littleone-VHL> 2Goodnight Light.

[22:45] <connied52-VHL> 6Yes, Rich, amen

[22:45] <VCI-Bob> and very soon, they will have direct evidence that His is alive :)

[22:45] <VCI-Bob> He is

[22:46] <connied52-VHL> 6I can hardly wait till that day!

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> even though they have plenty of evidence now

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> more than enough, according to God

[22:46] <Rich-VHL> 7thats right Bob

[22:47] <Rich-VHL> 7they just aren't Jesus

[22:47] <Rich-VHL> 7Of

[22:47] <olive-VHL> there are as many as 30,000 different promises recorded in scripture. These promises of God are simple and sure.

[22:47] <Kathy-VHL> Bob what is Seria doing these days anything

[22:48] <connied52-VHL> 6The scripture says He will reveal himself to anyone who TRULY wanst to know Him and who will seek Him

[22:48] <VCI-Bob> Syria has been relatively quiet, occasionally saying that they still want to pursue a "peace treaty" with Israel

[22:49] <Kathy-VHL> I know I have not seen any news on that area in a while

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> the incidents at the border with Lebanon continue, the stone throwing and so forth

[22:49] <Kathy-VHL> that is the country Israel makes a 7 year treaty with right

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> it's become the Lebanese national pastime of sorts - come south to the border and throw rocks at IDF soldiers

[22:50] <connied52-VHL> 6folks, I am going to have to go, getting very sleepy, it has been more that good to be a part of this chat tonight in realtime, usually don't get to

[22:50] <connied52-VHL> 6hope I can get back again real soon

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> well, I don't know, Kathy, it doesn't say that exactly in the Bible

[22:50] <littleone-VHL> 2So long Connie. Take care

[22:50] <Rich-VHL> 7good night connie d

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> Connie, good to have you!

[22:50] <Kathy-VHL> Blessings connied

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> Blessings to you

[22:50] <connied52-VHL> 6night everyone ,God Bless

[22:51] <olive-VHL> well time has come I must leave this informative forum which I haave enjoyed so much , not up on everything but still interested. May God keep His hand on each and every one here tonight. I am sure He knows our Hearts.

[22:51] <VCI-Bob> On the contrary, Israel and Syria will have a major war instead

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[22:51] <Kathy-VHL> I was not sure about that either

[22:51] <Rich-VHL> 7I have to be getting off to bed too all, may God Bless you each of you

[22:51] <VCI-Bob> Olive, come back soon! God bless!

[22:51] <VCI-Bob> Yes, me too :)

[22:51] <VCI-Bob> Shalom to all of you, and good night! :)

[22:52] <VCI-Bob> Stan will have the Thursday chat - I'm going to a Bible prophecy conference in Orlando

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[22:52] <littleone-VHL> 2I may have to say Shalom too.

[22:52] <Kathy-VHL> Yes I knew there would be war and destruction of Damascus but I was thinking it was a 7 year treaty but not sure

[22:52] <VCI-Bob> See you next time! :)

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[22:53] <Kathy-VHL> Bob is that conference the big one that they have every year

[22:53] <VCI-Bob> I'm not sure, Kathy

[22:53] <VCI-Bob> it's with Marv Rosenthal

[22:53] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Kathy :)

[22:53] <Kathy-VHL> Hummm I am not sure either lol oh well you get us lots of good stuff to bring back and sahre

[22:54] <VCI-Bob> yes, indeed :)

[22:54] <Kathy-VHL> Nit Bob thanks

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