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[19:49] <VCI-Bob> You're here early! :)

[19:49] <Kathy-VHL> I came early so I would be sure to get in

[19:49] <VCI-Bob> good idea!

[19:49] <VCI-Bob> Stan had quite a crowd on Monday, huh!

[19:49] <Kathy-VHL> sometimes it is very difficult to get in

[19:50] <Kathy-VHL> Yea he really did and I bet we have a big crowd tonight too

[19:50] <VCI-Bob> yes, probably so

[19:50] <VCI-Bob> I'm up in New Jersey this week on business

[19:51] <Kathy-VHL> I ran across a www site that is really thought provoking yesterday

[19:51] <VCI-Bob> my once a month trip up here

[19:51] <VCI-Bob> oh?

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[19:51] <VCI-Bob> HI Trying!

[19:51] <trying2understand-VH> how's it going?

[19:52] <Kathy-VHL> Bob it is called trueinsight,com

[19:52] <Kathy-VHL> have you seen it

[19:52] <trying2understand-VH> 5no

[19:52] <Kathy-VHL> hi trying

[19:52] <trying2understand-VH> 5hello

[19:52] <VCI-Bob> no - what did you find interesting?

[19:52] <trying2understand-VH> 5what are we talking about

[19:52] <VCI-Bob> just getting started, trying2

[19:53] <trying2understand-VH> 5cool

[19:53] <Kathy-VHL> am article called false salvation

[19:53] <VCI-Bob> what was the premise?

[19:54] <Kathy-VHL> not to be so comfortable

[19:54] <VCI-Bob> yes, something we all need to be careful about, right?

[19:54] <Kathy-VHL> yes it was interesting but will scare you straight lol

[19:55] <VCI-Bob> :) I'll have to take a look at it

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[19:55] <Kathy-VHL> I wish you would I would love to know what you think about it

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[19:55] <VCI-Bob> being comfortable is one of the greatest hindrances to being a genuine disciple, right?

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Annie and Called!

[19:56] <Kathy-VHL> It will make you ask yourself questions for sure

[19:56] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Bob and Room :)

[19:56] <Annie-VHL> Hi everybody

[19:56] <trying2understand-VH> 5hello

[19:56] <Kathy-VHL> yes I agree Bob

[19:56] <trying2understand-VH> 5where is this article found?

[19:56] <Kathy-VHL> hi to yall

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> I struggle with that a lot - my lack of self discipline in those areas

[19:57] <trying2understand-VH> 5me too

[19:57] <Kathy-VHL> it is www.trueinsight.com

[19:57] <trying2understand-VH> 5ok i wil check itt out

[19:58] <Kathy-VHL> it is very well written but almost too dogmatic if you know what I mean but it does make one think

[19:58] <trying2understand-VH> 5I've done a lot of that lately

[19:59] <Kathy-VHL> I looked at the statement of faith and I found nothing that I did not agree with there

[19:59] <Kathy-VHL> I am always careful to check that before I venture in to anyone's writings

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> yes, me too

[19:59] <Annie-VHL> What are you struggling with

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> so much weird teaching out there

[19:59] <Kathy-VHL> What scripture are we looking at tonight Bob

[20:00] <Kathy-VHL> yes and we must be very careful in those areas

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> A couple of Psalms that I found interesting this week:

[20:00] <trying2understand-VH> 5try the spirits, the word says

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Psalm 60 and Psalm 108

[20:00] <Annie-VHL> Go for it Bob

[20:00] <Kathy-VHL> k

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[20:00] <VCI-Bob> and then, we'll see from there what everyone wants to discuss

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> but first...

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> I wanted to talk about an interesting concept in the news.....

[20:01] <called_out-VHL> 10listening

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> you know, of course, about the current contention for the Temple Mount, right?

[20:01] <Kathy-VHL> yes

[20:01] <called_out-VHL> 10yes

[20:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yep

[20:01] <trying2understand-VH> 5yeah

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> that it is one of the major issues in the negotations for the so-called "peace process"

[20:02] <Kathy-VHL> yes

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> well, a few Israelis have come up with a novel concept.....

[20:02] <Kathy-VHL> Oh

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> that instead of Israel or "Palestine" having sovereignty over it....

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> "God" will have sovereignty over the Temple Mount

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> isn't that interesting?

[20:03] <Kathy-VHL> Hummmm but how will they decide which God

[20:03] <trying2understand-VH> 5good question

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> what is your intitial reaction to that?

[20:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Doesn't fit prophecy very well...

[20:03] <Kathy-VHL> I say I agree but remember God gave it to Israel

[20:04] <called_out-VHL> 10my initial reaction is it is not bibical

[20:04] <trying2understand-VH> 5they will just fight over which God is God

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> of course, we know that IN FACT He is already sovereign over it, right?

[20:04] <called_out-VHL> 10right

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> that it belongs to Him and is under His control

[20:04] <Kathy-VHL> yes

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> regardless of whether anyone acknowledges it

[20:04] <trying2understand-VH> 5I was looking at from thier view

[20:04] <Annie-VHL> I don't think it's quite what God 's word says will be yet

[20:04] <Kathy-VHL> and also Bob that is part of the plan God has for the contention to be there

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Yes, and I think your reactions are on target....

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> however, remember, that one of God's major purposes in all of this...

[20:05] <Kathy-VHL> He uses all this fighting to bring about His end results

[20:05] <trying2understand-VH> 5true

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> is to get Israels eyes truly back on Him and considering that He does in fact rule

[20:05] <Annie-VHL> Amen

[20:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That's the way I see it, Bob.

[20:06] <called_out-VHL> 10I was reading lots of sites and news today, in a secular sense, there is not answer on the temple mount problem.

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> That's right, called out, from that perspective there is no solution

[20:06] <Annie-VHL> Pray,pray that they will repent and come back to HIM

[20:06] <Kathy-VHL> they will have to fight so that God can show himself to them

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> it will continue to be a conflict until those horrendous structures that are there now are eliminated

[20:07] <Kathy-VHL> earthquake

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> and that will be a supernatural event, I believe, according to Zechariah

[20:07] <called_out-VHL> 10:-O

[20:07] <Kathy-VHL> thats what I understand also it will be God's doing

[20:08] <Annie-VHL> A great wind?

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> His Spirit :)

[20:08] <Kathy-VHL> His power

[20:08] <called_out-VHL> 10:)

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> you know that very very familiar verse "not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit"?

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> well, in my opinion, THAT is the event it is speaking of

[20:08] <called_out-VHL> 10amen!

[20:08] <Kathy-VHL> Oh how we need to be praying for God's will to be done on earth as it is in Heaven

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> very specifically

[20:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Wish a bit of the Spirit could visit the "Peace Summit".

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> take a look at it sometime and you will see :)

[20:09] <Annie-VHL> scary but true

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Bez :)

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> well, it's not time yet - but God will have the final say

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> on HIS day :)

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[20:10] <called_out-VHL> 10what an abomination the "Peace Summit" is

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> and Ted Turner et al will look quite puny then :)

[20:10] <Kathy-VHL> yes but it is all part of Gods plan to bring about His kingdom

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I wouldn't have minded seeing some Spirit entering Ted Turner during his blasphemus speech to the UN Summit.

[20:10] <called_out-VHL> 10amen Bez, made me furious

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> like with Herod, you mean? eaten by worms and died on the spot? :)

[20:11] <called_out-VHL> 10:)

[20:11] <Kathy-VHL> I would like to see the Holy Spirit save him and see him have to eat those words

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> sorry, I guess we should not wish that on him :)

[20:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That would be too nice.

[20:11] <called_out-VHL> 10:-( sorry

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> even Ted Turner can repent and receive God's grace :)

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> his wife is praying for that, I would think

[20:11] <Annie-VHL> true

[20:11] <called_out-VHL> 10Jesus died for the Ted Turners too

[20:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The real irony is that he's helping God by setting up a world religion.

[20:12] <Kathy-VHL> thats right

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> right - He's just another Pharoah, in a long line

[20:12] <Kathy-VHL> I say let the devil get on with what he has to do so it will soon be over

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> bringing glory to God, who will show His power and greatness

[20:13] <Annie-VHL> I worry for all our little ones in our family

[20:13] <trying2understand-VH> 5but you know that each and every one of us in this room have our part to paly in this right

[20:13] <Kathy-VHL> thats and we all have our sins to be forgiven

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> I was reading Micah 7 yesterday...

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> and it has some great stuff

[20:14] <trying2understand-VH> 5I mean God will use his people to carry out his plan

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> "The best of them is like a brier, the most upright worse than a thorn hedge. The day of your watchmen has come, the day God visits you. Now is the time of their confusion." (Micah 7:4 NIV)

[20:14] <Kathy-VHL> to God sin is sin Ted Turners sin is no worse than mine in Gods eyes

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> isn't that very applicable?

[20:15] <Annie-VHL> Saved only by the grace of God

[20:15] <Kathy-VHL> Praise God for his mercy

[20:15] <called_out-VHL> 10who are the watchmen Bob, witnesses?

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Yes, He has mercy on whom He will have mercy - Praise Him for His mercy!

[20:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2BRB - Need to start heating dinner.

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> yes, I think so, called out - those who remain faithful to Him

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> and continue to speak HIS words as a testimony

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> even though it is "the time of their confusion" - though the whole world goes mad, and thinks we are the crazy ones

[20:17] <Annie-VHL> Where are you located Bob

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Right now I am in New Jersey, but i live in Tampa

[20:17] <Kathy-VHL> yes so true bob

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> There is more good stuff in Micah 7

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:18] <Kathy-VHL> and the world does look at us like we are crazy but we are called to come out from among them and be seperate

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> this is about Israel:

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> "The day for building your walls will come, the day for extending your boundaries." (Micah 7:11 NIV)

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> "In that day people will come to you from Assyria and the cities of Egypt, even from Egypt to the Euphrates and from sea to sea and from mountain to mountain." (Micah 7:12 NIV)

[20:18] <called_out-VHL> 10AH Israel :)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> "The earth will become desolate because of its inhabitants, as the result of their deeds." (Micah 7:13 NIV)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> "Shepherd your people with your staff, the flock of your inheritance, which lives by itself in a forest, in fertile pasturelands. Let them feed in Bashan and Gilead as in days long ago." (Micah 7:14 NIV)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> These are all verses about the end times

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> about the restoration of the people to the land (again - many many prophecies about that)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> and, about the coming desolation of the earth, like we saw in Isaiah 24, because of it's rebellion

[20:20] <Kathy-VHL> it is interesting to look at what a staff is Bob

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> but the last verse is very interesting

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> yes, Kathy?

[20:20] <Kathy-VHL> and how the shepherd uses it

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> tell us

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> sheep are extremely stupid creatures, huh?

[20:20] <Kathy-VHL> the staff is a long stick with a crook on the end used by the shepherd to reach out and retrieve a lost sheep

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> in real life, sheep have little sense

[20:21] <Kathy-VHL> true

[20:21] <Kathy-VHL> thats why they need a shepherd

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Yes

[20:21] <called_out-VHL> 10yes

[20:21] <Kathy-VHL> and why we need one

[20:21] <Annie-VHL> yes

[20:22] <Kathy-VHL> notice the scripture said use the staff not the rod to rule

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> I am reading a book now about a reporter who lived in Jericho recently, and he talks about watching present day Arab shepherds

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> and how the sheep are stupid and senseless

[20:23] <Kathy-VHL> yes but the shepherd loves them because they are dependant on Him

[20:23] <Annie-VHL> Actually God is very angry with the shepards for ont taking care of the flock

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> that's right, Annie

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[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Ezekiel 34, right? I think that's where it is

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> among other places

[20:24] <Annie-VHL> I know I read it but can/t put my finger on it

[20:25] <Kathy-VHL> so many of the shephers have gone astray with the sheep

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> yes, it's talking primarily, I believe, about the religious leaders in Israel (rabbis) who have not led the people to the truth

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> but instead have led people away from the Lord

[20:25] <Annie-VHL> yes

[20:25] <Kathy-VHL> right

[20:26] <Kathy-VHL> and they are a stumbling block

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[20:26] <Annie-VHL> their punishment will be more

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> I want to look a little more at that last verse in Micah:

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> "Shepherd your people with your staff, the flock of your inheritance, which lives by itself in a forest, in fertile pasturelands. Let them feed in Bashan and Gilead as in days long ago." (Micah 7:14 NIV)

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Anyone know where Bashan and Gilead are?

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> They are both east of the Jordan

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> the "East Bank" :)

[20:27] <Dotk-VHL> Hello everyone

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Bashan is the area further north, which includes the Golan Heights!

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> hello Dotk! :)

[20:28] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Dotk :)

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> and Gilead is in Jordan

[20:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Dot

[20:28] <Kathy-VHL> Bob question here the KJ says feed with the rod

[20:28] <Kathy-VHL> that is a big difference

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> both places where tribes of Israel thrived in the past

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> Kathy, I'll post a couple other translations

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> if you could give us the KJV, that would be great :)

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> "Shepherd Thy people with Thy scepter, The flock of Thy possession Which dwells by itself in the woodland, In the midst of a fruitful field. Let them feed in Bashan and Gilead As in the days of old." (Micah 7:14 NASB)

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> "Shepherd your people with your staff, the flock that belongs to you, which lives alone in a forest in the midst of a garden land; let them feed in Bashan and Gilead as in the days of old." (Micah 7:14 NRSV)

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> "Shepherd your people with your staff, the flock of your inheritance, which lives by itself in a forest, in fertile pasturelands. Let them feed in Bashan and Gilead as in days long ago." (Micah 7:14 NIV)

[20:30] <Kathy-VHL> Mic:7:14: Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> "Feed" does carry the sense of tending for them, right?

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Like Jesus told Peter? "Feed my sheep"

[20:31] <Kathy-VHL> well in a sense it does because the shepherd will have to use the rod to provide

[20:31] <Annie-VHL> Keep them in line while He teaches them HIS ways

[20:32] <Kathy-VHL> but anyway let us not get caught up in that go ahead with the thought

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> This is a prophecy, among other things, that once again the Jews will thrive on the "East Bank" as in days long ago

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> In what is now Jordan, and the Golan Heights

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> which brings us to the two Psalms I mentioned earlier

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> I was reading Psalm 60

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> and found verses 6 and following quite striking

[20:34] <Annie-VHL> I am reading it

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> so I started doing a word search on some of the places mentioned: Shechem, Succoth, Gilead, etc

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> the first thing I found was this:

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> verses 6 and following are repeated almost verbatim in Psalm 108!

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[20:36] <Annie-VHL> that's true

[20:36] <called_out-VHL> 10yes

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> which, to me, is an indication...

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> that it is a significant passage

[20:37] <called_out-VHL> 10double rule

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> sorry for the delay - pizza delivery to my hotel room :)

[20:38] <Annie-VHL> God says what HE means and means what HE says

[20:38] <Kathy-VHL> this is significant in that scripture to me Bob KJV Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man.

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Kathy!

[20:38] <Kathy-VHL> Psalms:60:12: Through God we shall do valiantly: for he it is that shall tread down our enemies.

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> "Give us aid against the enemy, for the help of man is worthless." (Psalms 60:11 NIV)

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[20:38] <Kathy-VHL> that is spoken in other prophecies

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> That is, I think, a future plea of Israel to the Lord

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Gran!!!

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 5shalom all

[20:39] <Kathy-VHL> which points out that it will be Gods doing

[20:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Gran

[20:39] <called_out-VHL> 10Shalom Gran :)

[20:39] <Annie-VHL> shalom Gran

[20:39] <Kathy-VHL> the supernatural

[20:39] <Dotk-VHL> hello Gran

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 5Hi Bez ole buddy

[20:39] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Gran

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 5Dot good to see you

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 5and Kathy annie gosh I really am late sorry to butt in

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> so, let's look at those verses

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob where are you

[20:40] <Dotk-VHL> You too ,Gran hope you are feeling good

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> "God has spoken from his sanctuary: "In triumph I will parcel out Shechem and measure off the Valley of Succoth." (Psalms 60:6 NIV)

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> "Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim is my helmet, Judah my scepter." (Psalms 60:7 NIV)

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 5somewhat better dear ones just same old back thing

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 5called out shalom

[20:41] <called_out-VHL> 10Gran :)

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> ok - some one tell me about Shechem :)

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 5oh bob such promises we have

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> yes, Gran!!

[20:41] <Kathy-VHL> You tell us Bob where is Shechem

[20:41] <called_out-VHL> 10?

[20:42] <Bezalel-VHL> 2In Canaan?

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 5God is so good

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 5all the time

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> sorry for the delays - I'm trying to eat my pizza and type :)

[20:42] <Kathy-VHL> thats not fair I want some

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 5do you have three hands Bob

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 5I find that hard to do

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 5with two hands :)

[20:43] <Kathy-VHL> and I had to eat health food tonight lol

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> and also look something up for you

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 5oh and two heads

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[20:43] <called_out-VHL> 10you can multi-task! Bob

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> thanks for your patience :)

[20:44] <Annie-VHL> Shedchemjis near Mt.Ebal

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> this is from the Holman Bible dictionary

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> that's right, Annie

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 5bob one of these days I want you to tell me how you multi task

[20:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Joseph's bones are buried at Shechem.

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Personal and place name meaning, "shoulder, back." 1. District and city in the hill country of Ephraim in north central Palestine. The first capital of the northern kingdom of Israel, the city was built mainly on the slope, or shoulder, of Mount Ebal. Situated where main highways and ancient trade routes converged, Shechem was an important city long before the Israelites occupied Canaan.

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez!!!!

[20:45] <Annie-VHL> Sorry Shechem is near Mt. Ebal

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[20:45] <VCI-Bob> The city makes its earliest appearance in biblical history in connection with Abram's arrival in the land (Gen. 12:6-7). When Jacob returned from Paddan Aram, he settled down at Shechem and purchased land from the sons of Hamor (33:18-19).

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> \f@

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Littleone

[20:45] <littleone-VHL> 2Good evening Bob

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> While Jacob was at Shechem, the unfortunate incident of Dinah occurred. Simeon and Levi, her full brothers, destroyed the city (Gen. 34). Later, the brothers of Joseph were herding Jacob's flock at Shechem when Joseph was sent to check on their welfare. Joseph was buried in the plot of ground that his father Jacob had purchased here (Josh. 24:32).

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> set

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 5little one shalom

[20:46] <littleone-VHL> 2Bob, may I ask you from where are you talking to us?

[20:46] <littleone-VHL> 2Shalom Gran

[20:46] <Annie-VHL> shalom little one

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> from my hotel room in New Jersey

[20:46] <littleone-VHL> 2Shalom Annie

[20:47] <littleone-VHL> 2Is that the state you live in?

[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 5hummm you have a traveling computer I see

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> ok - does anyone know what major city is near there? where Shechem was?

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran

[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 5you still live in FL Bob

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> no, I live in Tampa Fl

[20:47] <Kathy-VHL> ok so now it is a city in Palestine right

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Nablus

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> which is the largest Palestinian city, I believe

[20:48] <Gran-VHL> 5oh and where is modern day is that located near Bob

[20:48] <Gran-VHL> 5that didn't come out right sorry

[20:48] <Kathy-VHL> and God is going to parcel it out

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> let me look at my online Bible atlas....

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> yes, Kathy!!!!

[20:49] <Kathy-VHL> I bet it will be parceled out to Israel too

[20:49] <Annie-VHL> It's in the West Bank right?

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> It's about 30 miles north of Jerusalem

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> in Samaria

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 5oh right in Stans back door huh?

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> yeah :)

[20:50] <Kathy-VHL> oh yea when Israels borders are expanded it will be given to her

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> and here is what God says:

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> "God has spoken from his sanctuary: "In triumph I will parcel out Shechem and measure off the Valley of Succoth." (Psalms 60:6 NIV)

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> 5the whole story of Isreal being seated in smaria is stange

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> Isn't that incredible! :)

[20:51] <Kathy-VHL> God said it all so clearly

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Bob God and all HIS doings are incrediable

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> If you read those verse in Psalm 60 together....

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> you get a sense of God defiantly coming against these places

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> saying "I WILL, I WILL, it's MINE, it's MINE"

[20:52] <Kathy-VHL> and giving them to Israel

[20:52] <called_out-VHL> 10You can almost see it

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> "God has spoken from his sanctuary: "In triumph I will parcel out Shechem and measure off the Valley of Succoth." (Psalms 60:6 NIV)

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> "Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim is my helmet, Judah my scepter." (Psalms 60:7 NIV)

[20:53] <called_out-VHL> 10Step aside, thus saith the LORD

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> rught!

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> right!

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 5and Arafat wants Samaria Hummmm

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 5God knows

[20:53] <Kathy-VHL> Gharge !

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> (that was the pizza) :)

[20:53] <called_out-VHL> 10Humm

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> "God has spoken from his sanctuary: "In triumph I will parcel out Shechem and measure off the Valley of Succoth." (Psalms 60:6 NIV)

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> "Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim is my helmet, Judah my scepter." (Psalms 60:7 NIV)

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> "Moab is my washbasin, upon Edom I toss my sandal; over Philistia I shout in triumph."" (Psalms 60:8 NIV)

[20:53] <called_out-VHL> 10good ole pizza

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> look at the contrast...

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> between verses 7 and 8

[20:54] <littleone-VHL> 2Israel has never disapeared from God. Just becasuse we believe in our Mesiah Yeshua, Jesus has not errased Israel from being the apple of our Lord.

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> right, littleone

[20:54] <called_out-VHL> 10His eye is on Israel

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 5yes amen to all of that

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> verse 7 is a Messianic hint....

[20:54] <Annie-VHL> Always

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> the scepter is the kings authority, right?

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> and who has God's authority, but God?

[20:55] <Kathy-VHL> yes Israel

[20:55] <littleone-VHL> 2Sorry to say that most of all Christ believers do not believe that from God..And it is scripture; not my words

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> the Messiah, from Judah

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 5yes bob

[20:55] <littleone-VHL> 2The Lion Of JUdea

[20:55] <littleone-VHL> 2or Judah

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 5little one what do you mean

[20:56] <littleone-VHL> 2About what issue, Gran?

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 5most believers do not believe that is from God what??

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 5what you said just before

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[20:57] <littleone-VHL> 2Most christians do not believe anymore that Israel is alive in the sight of God because the majority did not or have not acepted Jesus as their Mesiah

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 5i don't know any believers that don't believe all the Bible

[20:57] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Dove :)

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Dove!

[20:57] <Kathy-VHL> ok Bob if we take Judah to be Christ then who is Moab and who is Edom

[20:57] <littleone-VHL> 2I shall leave it htere

[20:57] <littleone-VHL> 2there, I mean

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Moab, is Jordan

[20:57] <dove-VHL> shalom, my friends

[20:57] <Annie-VHL> shalom Dove

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Edom is Jordan

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 5well that may be true for many but not most

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 5for if they are believers than they believe

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> And Philistia, the Palestinians

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 5dove shalom

[20:58] <dove-VHL> Hi Bob, I can't stay long, but I wanted to come and say i love you, and everyone:-)

[20:58] <Kathy-VHL> then in this passage Judah would be Israel right

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> We're glad you did, Dove! :)

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 5we love you also Dove

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> Yes

[20:59] <Kathy-VHL> k

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> the designations in verse 8 are less than complimentary, huh?

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 5in verse 12 we see the victory

[20:59] <called_out-VHL> 10Love to you too Dove :->

[20:59] <dove-VHL> hi again gran,

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 5Hi again Dove

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> his "washbasin"

[21:00] <Kathy-VHL> yea what does a washbasin represent

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Bob it is very discriptive

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> disdain

[21:00] <littleone-VHL> 2I appologize, but I have to leave. Shalom to all of you with Love and blessings

[21:00] <Kathy-VHL> do you think that means converson

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 5yes much distain

[21:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Shalom, Littleone

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 5little one shalom

[21:00] <Annie-VHL> where are you from dove?

[21:00] <littleone-VHL> 2I hope I did not upset you Gran; otherwise forgive me if I did

[21:00] <called_out-VHL> 10Bye Littleone

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 5god bless and you take care

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 5see you soon I hope

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[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 5not to worry dear one

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> God is saying that He treasures Israel (v 7) and disdains the Arabs arrayed against them

[21:01] <called_out-VHL> 10wow!

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 5not upset just didn't understand your thinking

[21:01] <called_out-VHL> 10that is profound scripture

[21:01] <Annie-VHL> God Bless littleone

[21:01] <Kathy-VHL> and he also said they were His

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> like so much dirty dishwater

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> what about "I hurl my shoe"?

[21:02] <Gran-VHL> 5yes and we sometimes use a washbasen to wash dirty feet

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> what is the sense there?

[21:02] <Gran-VHL> 5useless area

[21:02] <Gran-VHL> 5for trash

[21:03] <Kathy-VHL> for His use

[21:03] <Gran-VHL> 5Edom came from the sin of incest

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> yes, for His use, like we were saying before - all bring Him glory, in different ways

[21:03] <Gran-VHL> 5by Lots daughters

[21:04] <Kathy-VHL> Right

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> those who resist him, by their resistance and His triumph

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Bob in time the whole world will show the Glory of God

[21:04] <Kathy-VHL> Amen

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> close, Gran - that's Moab and Ammon

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Edom, is Esau

[21:04] <Annie-VHL> Praise God

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> yes, Amen

[21:05] <Gran-VHL> 5oops sorry I know better than that sheesh

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 5I must be getting too much sleep not thinking straight

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> let's back up a little:

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> "God has spoken from his sanctuary: "In triumph I will parcel out Shechem and measure off the Valley of Succoth." (Psalms 60:6 NIV)

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> "Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim is my helmet, Judah my scepter." (Psalms 60:7 NIV)

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> Succoth, and Gilead....

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 5Well Esau didn't please God either

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> are both EAST of the Jordan

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> in present day Jordan, where, as I mentioned before, 2 1/2 tribes of Israel had resided

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[21:08] <VCI-Bob> see, I think we've got it all wrong - instead of contending for the "West Bank"......

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> pretty soon ISRAEL will be contending for the "EAST BANK" :)

[21:08] <dove-VHL> thanks for the recap,Bob

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> sure, Dove :)

[21:08] <Kathy-VHL> they already have that dont they Bob

[21:08] <Gran-VHL> 5bob what were those tribes

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> no, the East Bank is in Jordan

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> Gad....

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> 1/2 of Manasseh...

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> and......

[21:09] <Kathy-VHL> Oh I get so confused on which way is which over there

[21:09] <dove-VHL> what is Gad today?

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> Reuben

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 5oh and do we know where those tribes are now?

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> Remember, they stayed over there?

[21:10] <dove-VHL> ok

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> Instead of crossing over? They asked for their inheritance there

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 5no I didn't remember Bob

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> it's in....

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 5oh thats right they did but didn't know that they are still there

[21:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2But, didn't they cross and stay until the land was in control of the Israelis?

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> Right, Bez, the fighting men did

[21:11] <Annie-VHL> Have to leave you alll pray we have a safe trip to PA. tommorow GodBless

[21:11] <Kathy-VHL> wekk that could be a clue to how we can know that that part will be claimed by Israel or rather taken by her

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 5Annie shalom

[21:11] <dove-VHL> HI:-)Bezalel, forgive me please:-)

[21:11] <called_out-VHL> 10God Bless Annie :)

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[21:11] <VCI-Bob> Bye, Annie :)

[21:12] <Kathy-VHL> by Annie

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Rich!

[21:12] <dove-VHL> blessings Annie

[21:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Dove, how are you>? :-)

[21:12] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Rich

[21:12] <called_out-VHL> 10Shalom Rich :)

[21:12] <Rich-VHL> 7hello everyone

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[21:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Rich

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> 5Rich shalom

[21:13] <Rich-VHL> 7forgive me if I'm a little slow tonight realy tired

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> It's in Numbers 34 and Joshua 4

[21:13] <dove-VHL> i'm as well as and as blessed as i can be:-)... Thank you Bezalel

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> that's ok, Rich

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> I'm slow too :)

[21:13] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I continue to keep you in my prayers, Dove.

[21:13] <dove-VHL> me too:-)

[21:14] <called_out-VHL> 10me too, :) Dove

[21:14] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Bez

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> they make the best pizza up here in Jersey :)

[21:14] <Kathy-VHL> hush Bob

[21:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Are you there for the "Summit," Bob?

[21:14] <called_out-VHL> 10Lets all meet at Bob's

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[21:14] <called_out-VHL> 10ouch

[21:14] <Rich-VHL> 7yea pizza

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> room 528, Hampton Inn at the Meadowlands :)

[21:15] <Kathy-VHL> :-)

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> no, Bez, I work up here one week a month

[21:15] <dove-VHL> would you all just hold me up in prayer tomorrow at precisley 8:30a.m.? I will be under the knife at that time:-)

[21:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Okay....:-)

[21:15] <Rich-VHL> 7what do you all make of ted turner

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> oh dear, Dove!

[21:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Again, Dove? Thought it was the 18th.....

[21:16] <called_out-VHL> 10yes Dove :-O

[21:16] <Kathy-VHL> will Pray Dove

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5Rich I don't make much of hiim atall

[21:16] <Rich-VHL> 7your right there Gran

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5but then there are those churches that think they are the only ones going to heaven

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> just another puny mortal foolishing shaking his fist in the face of God

[21:16] <dove-VHL> yes I go for the surgery to hospital

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5but also he may have not understood about salvation

[21:16] <Kathy-VHL> I think he is working hard to bring about Gods plan to fulfillment

[21:16] <dove-VHL> but I'm ok with it and all,

[21:17] <Rich-VHL> 7true Bob

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> foolishing? what kind of word is THAT? :)

[21:17] <called_out-VHL> 10Good to get it over with huh Dove, God will take care of you, just rest in His arms.

[21:17] <Gran-VHL> 5it is so easy for children to get hurt by what they do not uderdaon

[21:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Pizza word, Bob.

[21:17] <Rich-VHL> 7that works Bob

[21:17] <dove-VHL> gotta go now though, just remember, I love you all:-)

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> yeah, Bez

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> we love you too, Dove!!!!!

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> May the Lord be with you

[21:18] <Kathy-VHL> yes Dove

[21:18] <called_out-VHL> 10bye Dove:-( God Be with you

[21:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'll redouble the prayers, Dove. God Bless you!

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 5God bless you dove

[21:18] <Rich-VHL> 7we Love you too dove by by

[21:18] <dove-VHL> thank you all:-) good night with love

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[21:19] <called_out-VHL> 10See you Monday Dove :)

[21:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-*, Dove.

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 5Dove undergoes surgery at 8 AM tomorrow

[21:19] <Rich-VHL> 7for what Gran

[21:19] <called_out-VHL> 10We should all pray at 8 am.

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 5breast cancer

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 5radical

[21:20] <called_out-VHL> 10:-(

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 5surgery

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> :(

[21:20] <called_out-VHL> 10:-(

[21:20] <Kathy-VHL> how old is she Gran do you know

[21:20] <Rich-VHL> 7oh no I hope she is taking it all right

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 5know I don't she was talking about

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> 5in Georgias chat earlier

[21:21] <called_out-VHL> 10I believe Dove is in early thirties

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> 5she says she is it is the second one she has had

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> oh my

[21:21] <Kathy-VHL> oh my

[21:21] <called_out-VHL> 10:-(

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Kathy, will you lead us in prayer for her right now?

[21:22] <Rich-VHL> 7our Lord Jesus will look out for her and all will turn out well

[21:22] <Kathy-VHL> Father we come to you this evening thannking you

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Oh Lord

[21:22] <Rich-VHL> 7thank you father

[21:22] <Kathy-VHL> for your watchful eye over all the occurencies in our lives

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5we give you praise and thanks for your mercy to us

[21:22] <Kathy-VHL> we know that you are the one True God who is in control of all things

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5and we know that your healing hand is on Dove for tomorrow

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> yes, you are good, even when things don't seem good

[21:23] <Rich-VHL> 7thank you Lord Jesus

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[21:23] <called_out-VHL> 10Thank you for your love for us and our love for each other and especially Dove tonight.

[21:23] <Kathy-VHL> You have sent us Your Son

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 5we pray that you will keep her surgeion in your care for him to do the very best for her

[21:23] <Kathy-VHL> whose stripes heal us

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Tuesday - we are praying for a woman having cancer surgery tomorrow

[21:23] <Kathy-VHL> we lift up Dove before you and claim healing for her

[21:23] <Kathy-VHL> in Jesus name

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Oh Father

[21:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lord

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 5Amen

[21:24] <called_out-VHL> 10yes Lord

[21:24] <Tuesday-VHL> Lord, you are the great physician. We put this need in your hands.

[21:24] <Kathy-VHL> We ask that you comfort her and give her courage and remove any fears

[21:24] <Rich-VHL> 7in the Holy name of Jesus Father

[21:24] <Tuesday-VHL> Amen

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 5encourage her heart Father

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 5and we leave her in your hands for you are our Father who loves her so much

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Amen! :)

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 5and we thank you for the answer

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> 5Amen

[21:25] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen

[21:25] <called_out-VHL> 10Please, may Dove feel your presence and know that You are with her, let her feel your sweet spirit.

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> 5yes

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> yes

[21:25] <Kathy-VHL> bless her through this and give her victory not only thorugh healing but through the witness of you to others through her

[21:25] <called_out-VHL> 10and in the future days to come.

[21:26] <Kathy-VHL> be with the Dr's and staff that will perform the surgery

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> OK, to follow up on what we were looking at earlier about the "East Bank"....

[21:26] <Kathy-VHL> guide their hands and let them use the wisdome you have given

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> here is another prophecy

[21:26] <Kathy-VHL> In Jesus Name Amen

[21:27] <Kathy-VHL> ok Bob

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> this one is a little tricky at first glance

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> "Concerning the Ammonites: This is what the LORD says: "Has Israel no sons? Has she no heirs? Why then has Molech taken possession of Gad? Why do his people live in its towns?" (Jeremiah 49:1 NIV)

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> "But the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will sound the battle cry against Rabbah of the Ammonites; it will become a mound of ruins, and its surrounding villages will be set on fire. Then Israel will drive out those who drove her out," says the LORD." (Jeremiah 49:2 NIV)

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> as we saw....

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> Gad was one of the 2 1/2 tribes that took their inheritance on the east bank of the Jordan

[21:28] <Rich-VHL> 7this has already been done then Bob

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> so God is asking....

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> why?

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> why has Molech taken possession of Gad?

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> in other words, why have the Arabs take possession of land on the East Bank that I gave to Gad?

[21:29] <Kathy-VHL> they must not be standing up for who they are Yet

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Molech was an idol

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> referred to often as "the detestable god of the Ammonites"

[21:29] <Gran-VHL> 5the Israelits were well known for their love of idols

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> and "Rabbah" .....

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> is....

[21:29] <Gran-VHL> 5and took forgien gods to them selfves

[21:29] <called_out-VHL> 10yes Gran, that was the main problem

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 5that is why they stayed in so much troble with God

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> where the capital city of Jordan stands today

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> Ammon

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Bob

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[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 5oh my

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Delta!

[21:30] <Kathy-VHL> sounds like they are going to be like Damaskus

[21:30] <Delta-VHL> shalom

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Delta

[21:30] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[21:30] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Delta

[21:30] <called_out-VHL> 10Shalom Delta :)

[21:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Delta!

[21:31] <Tuesday-VHL> 2Greetings in Jesus name Delta

[21:31] <Delta-VHL> one, two, three....? LOL

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Yes, though this had a historical fulfillment, I think it has a future application as well

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Hi Delta :)

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Oh, I already said that :)

[21:31] <Delta-VHL> uh yeah? LOL

[21:31] <Delta-VHL> What is happening?

[21:31] <Gran-VHL> 5Delta shalom

[21:31] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> We've been looking at several prophecies about the "East Bank"

[21:32] <Rich-VHL> 7Bob what tribe was that for again

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> What, Rich?

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> "Concerning the Ammonites: This is what the LORD says: "Has Israel no sons? Has she no heirs? Why then has Molech taken possession of Gad? Why do his people live in its towns?" (Jeremiah 49:1 NIV)

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> "But the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will sound the battle cry against Rabbah of the Ammonites; it will become a mound of ruins, and its surrounding villages will be set on fire. Then Israel will drive out those who drove her out," says the LORD." (Jeremiah 49:2 NIV)

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> 5Jer. 49 Delta

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 5Gad, reuben

[21:33] <Rich-VHL> 7whew I'm realy tired

[21:33] <Delta-VHL> Thanks...

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 5and 1/2 of Manassa

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> right - thanks, Gran :)

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 5bowing to you all most welcome

[21:34] <Gran-VHL> 5thats what I am for to help out

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:34] <Delta-VHL> Bob, I can see where some of this has applied and can still apply. Is that correct?

[21:34] <Gran-VHL> 5when I remember that isLOL

[21:34] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[21:34] <Delta-VHL> You are great, Gran!

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Delta :) be sure to check out the transcript....

[21:34] <Gran-VHL> 5rich just relax and let Gran help

[21:34] <Rich-VHL> 7it must be for now too

[21:34] <called_out-VHL> 10why so tire Rich?

[21:34] <Delta-VHL> ok... :-)

[21:34] <Gran-VHL> 5oh my blushing

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> we were looking at Psalm 60 and 108 to start with

[21:35] <Tuesday-VHL> 2Bob, what were you about to say...Ammon

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 7I think I have a touch of a cold or something called and I just got home from work

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Remember, that Edom, Moab, and Ammon were all on the east side of the Jordan, in present day country of Jordan

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Edom being the southernmost

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> I'm not sure where I'm going from here, so comments are welcome :)

[21:37] <Kathy-VHL> Bob are those tribes still there now

[21:37] <Delta-VHL> Well, part of that area was originally Israel, wasn't it?

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> no, Kathy, not as such

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> yes, Delta, that's right - 2 1/2 tribes were allocated land over there

[21:38] <Delta-VHL> Restoration of land taken away then? If we apply it to today, that is

[21:38] <Rich-VHL> 7Bob inthe scripture it says Israel, there wasn't any Israel for 2,000 years so must be for now too

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> remember who Og and Sihon were?

[21:39] <Delta-VHL> hmmm Gog and....?

[21:39] <Delta-VHL> (just guessing)

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> yes, Rich, I think these are prophecies about the future

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 7well not quite 2,000 years I guess

[21:39] <Kathy-VHL> if it belonged to them once it will be theres again

[21:39] <Delta-VHL> Yeah Yeshua!

[21:39] <called_out-VHL> 10hate to miss this, but got to go, will read the transcript tomorrow, God Bless Everyone :)

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> Og and Sihon were 2 bigshots that God took out

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Night, Called_out

[21:40] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Called out!

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Glad to have you with us! :)

[21:40] <Kathy-VHL> nite called

[21:40] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Kathy from the nile river to the euphrates river

[21:40] <Gran-VHL> 5god bless called

[21:40] <Gran-VHL> 5see you later

[21:40] <called_out-VHL> 10Loved It,,byeeee

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[21:40] <Rich-VHL> 7see you later called

[21:40] <Tuesday-VHL> 2Gotta go too, God bless you all

[21:41] <Delta-VHL> Bob, do we know Og and Sihon by any other names?

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Bye, Tuesday

[21:41] <Delta-VHL> Bye Tuesday!

[21:41] <Kathy-VHL> By Tuesday

[21:41] <Gran-VHL> 5tuesday shalom and god bless you

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[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7that is what God gave to the jews, all that land

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> No... Og and Sihon were both kings in the area of Gilead....

[21:41] <Delta-VHL> ahh, oh

[21:41] <Delta-VHL> ok

[21:41] <Delta-VHL> oops

[21:41] <Delta-VHL> Ramath?

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> both noteworthy because they were very powerful

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> let me find the original references

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> Numbers 21

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> "Israel sent messengers to say to Sihon king of the Amorites:" (Numbers 21:21 NIV)

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> ""Let us pass through your country. We will not turn aside into any field or vineyard, or drink water from any well. We will travel along the king's highway until we have passed through your territory."" (Numbers 21:22 NIV)

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> "But Sihon would not let Israel pass through his territory. He mustered his entire army and marched out into the desert against Israel. When he reached Jahaz, he fought with Israel." (Numbers 21:23 NIV)

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> "Israel, however, put him to the sword and took over his land from the Arnon to the Jabbok, but only as far as the Ammonites, because their border was fortified." (Numbers 21:24 NIV)

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> "Then they turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king of Bashan and his whole army marched out to meet them in battle at Edrei." (Numbers 21:33 NIV)

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> "The LORD said to Moses, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you, with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon."" (Numbers 21:34 NIV)

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> "So they struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army, leaving them no survivors. And they took possession of his land." (Numbers 21:35 NIV)

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> These 2 kings are often cited in the Psalms, because of their prominence

[21:44] <Gran-VHL> 5When God is for us no one can stand against us

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> ok - where is Bashan? anyone?

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> ok - here's a verse that ties it all together for you

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 7can't remember

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> "Then Moses gave to the Gadites, the Reubenites and the half-tribe of Manasseh son of Joseph the kingdom of Sihon king of the Amorites and the kingdom of Og king of Bashan--the whole land with its cities and the territory around them." (Numbers 32:33 NIV)

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> And... here is an interesting fact about Og:

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> "(Only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaites. His bed was made of iron and was more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide. It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites.)" (Deuteronomy 3:11 NIV)

[21:46] <Delta-VHL> Northern Israel? Syria/Trans-jordan?

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Golan Heights area

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Bashan

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> What were the Rephaim?

[21:47] <Gran-VHL> 5so Og was the remaining giant

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> right, Gran

[21:47] <Gran-VHL> 5the rest of which David and his men killed

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> yup

[21:47] <Delta-VHL> oh boy....

[21:47] <Gran-VHL> 5i get some things right

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> :):):)

[21:47] <Delta-VHL> :-) go Gran!

[21:48] <Gran-VHL> 5you are getting me to blush again

[21:48] <Gran-VHL> 5but am slow about other things

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> "Of the land that we took over at that time, I gave the Reubenites and the Gadites the territory north of Aroer by the Arnon Gorge, including half the hill country of Gilead, together with its towns." (Deuteronomy 3:12 NIV)

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> "The rest of Gilead and also all of Bashan, the kingdom of Og, I gave to the half tribe of Manasseh. (The whole region of Argob in Bashan used to be known as a land of the Rephaites." (Deuteronomy 3:13 NIV)

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Here are some more geographic details:

[21:49] <Gran-VHL> 5I was just reading about the first exodus of the Jews which started I think in the 1700's interesting article

[21:50] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Bob

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> "These are the stipulations, decrees and laws Moses gave them when they came out of Egypt" (Deuteronomy 4:45 NIV)

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> "and were in the valley near Beth Peor east of the Jordan, in the land of Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon and was defeated by Moses and the Israelites as they came out of Egypt." (Deuteronomy 4:46 NIV)

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> "They took possession of his land and the land of Og king of Bashan, the two Amorite kings east of the Jordan." (Deuteronomy 4:47 NIV)

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> "This land extended from Aroer on the rim of the Arnon Gorge to Mount Siyon (that is, Hermon)," (Deuteronomy 4:48 NIV)

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> "and included all the Arabah east of the Jordan, as far as the Sea of the Arabah, below the slopes of Pisgah." (Deuteronomy 4:49 NIV)

[21:50] <Delta-VHL> ok, someone needs to give the rest of Israel back!

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Exactly!!!!!!! :)

[21:51] <Rich-VHL> 7we will get it soon Delta

[21:51] <Gran-VHL> 5bob how many years between when Ishmael was sent out of Abrahams camp and this time in Deut.

[21:51] <Delta-VHL> Oh yeah, everytime there is a war, Israel gets more back! This time, though, we have the King of Kings coming to get it!

[21:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Smug little Arafat thinks he's going to get the West Bank. Little does he known...

[21:52] <Gran-VHL> 5any idea

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Well, I would say 470 perhaps?

[21:52] <Gran-VHL> 5Hummmmm

[21:52] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen Delta

[21:52] <Gran-VHL> 5lots of Arabs by then

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> that's right, Bez! :)

[21:52] <Gran-VHL> 5a wild donkey of a man God said

[21:53] <Kathy-VHL> dirty dishwater lol

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> LOL Kathy

[21:53] <Gran-VHL> 5fyeah Kathy

[21:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Dishwater and a shoe stand!

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> I like the way you guys think :)

[21:54] <Kathy-VHL> spme body is going to get hit whth a shoe I believe

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> ouch!

[21:54] <Bezalel-VHL> 2LOL, Kathy

[21:54] <Gran-VHL> 5not too nice tho Bob our thinking need salvation LOL

[21:54] <Rich-VHL> 7fun though Bob

[21:54] <Rich-VHL> 7but your right Gran

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Delta, this is an "inside joke" referring back to Psalm 60

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> ohhhhhhhh

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> just so you don't think we've all gone nuts here :)

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> I was wondering!

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:55] <Kathy-VHL> we are nuts we are christians remember lol

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> I could tell :)

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Who would have thought prophecy could be so much fun.

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> yeah, Bez! :)

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[21:56] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Geneva!

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Geneva

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> I'm going to take a short break, so keep on.... I'm in a hotel room, so it's not like there is anything pressing for my time

[21:56] <Geneva-VHL> Sorry I'm late

[21:56] <Bezalel-VHL> 2There are a number of faces I would like to watch, while the Near East fell like dominoes, to the Lord and Israel.

[21:56] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Geneva

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> So.... carry on ....

[21:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Geneva

[21:57] <Gran-VHL> 5Geneva I wondered where you were shalom

[21:57] <Geneva-VHL> Hi everyone

[21:57] <Kathy-VHL> yea me too Bez

[21:57] <Rich-VHL> 7Bez I think you and I will be there to see those faces with Jesus

[21:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

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[21:57] <Rich-VHL> 7and all of us

[21:57] <Geneva-VHL> I have been busy today so I'm late getting on. will read this tomorrow

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Let's see, Clinton, Arafat, Ted Turner, the Pope.....

[21:58] <Kathy-VHL> Boy I sure hope we can see a lot of things all at the same time lol

[21:58] <Kathy-VHL> or at least be able to rerun what we missed

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Maybe it will be on satellite.

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2or, a webcast.

[21:59] <Geneva-VHL> What are you talking about

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[21:59] <Kathy-VHL> yea maybe

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 7I think I'll be getting off to bed now everyone, God Bless you all

[21:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Lord taking back Israel, Geneva.

[21:59] <Kathy-VHL> nite Rich Blessings to you too

[21:59] <skip-VHL> hi

[21:59] <Gran-VHL> 5Delta the washbasin and the sandle are in the scriptures Bob was reading to us.

[21:59] <Geneva-VHL> Nite Rich

[21:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night rich

[21:59] <skip-VHL> hi all

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[21:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Skip

[21:59] <Kathy-VHL> hi skip

[22:00] <Delta-VHL> oh ok

[22:00] <skip-VHL> shuck I missed it again

[22:00] <Geneva-VHL> Have you read what Ted Tuner said about christians It is on the web

[22:00] <Kathy-VHL> it was good tonight skip be sure to read the transcript

[22:00] <skip-VHL> 4just got home from work

[22:00] <Kathy-VHL> yea I read it

[22:00] <skip-VHL> 4I sure will

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[22:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2We were wondering, earlier, what would happen if the Spirit took him while he was delivering the speech.

[22:01] <skip-VHL> 4what did he say?

[22:01] <Kathy-VHL> well all Ihave to get off too good night to all and God Bless

[22:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Kathy.

[22:02] <skip-VHL> 4Shalom Kathy

[22:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Phil

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[22:02] <Geneva-VHL> Night Kathy

[22:02] <phil-VHL> Shalom, I'm late just got on.

[22:02] <Gran-VHL> 5skip and phil shalom

[22:02] <skip-VHL> 4where can I find what ol Ted said?

[22:02] <Gran-VHL> 5kathy slalom and God bless you

[22:02] <Geneva-VHL> I would have been afraid to have talked like he did

[22:03] <skip-VHL> 4HEY GRAN how are you ?

[22:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2There is a forum post, from Stan, Skip.

[22:03] <Geneva-VHL> It is on Virtual holy land web site

[22:03] <skip-VHL> 4Thanks BEZ

[22:03] <Gran-VHL> 5pretty good dear just same old back problem nothing serious

[22:03] <Geneva-VHL> Where can I find the forum post from Stan

[22:03] <phil-VHL> Where's Bob? Did he sign off?

[22:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2It was featured on the Home Page for VHL.

[22:04] <Geneva-VHL> Ok I'll read it later

[22:04] <Gran-VHL> 5Delta must have got booted

[22:04] <skip-VHL> 4nothing like one coming in on the tail and wanting to catch up huh? :-)

[22:04] <Gran-VHL> 5boy everyone must be out of town last thurs we had 30 folks in here

[22:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:->, Skip

[22:05] <Gran-VHL> 5bob is just taking a break

[22:05] <skip-VHL> 4wow Monday was packed also

[22:05] <Gran-VHL> 5He is still here

[22:05] <Geneva-VHL> I have to go now. will read the chat tomorrow. Sorry I missed out tonight Love you all

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> OK - I'm back

[22:05] <Geneva-VHL> bye bye

[22:05] <Gran-VHL> 5Geneva god bless you

[22:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Geneva

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> to follow up on what we were looking at earlier....

[22:06] <skip-VHL> 4CU Geneva

[22:06] <Geneva-VHL> I'll try to do better next time Bob

[22:06] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob do you know anyone that has nega's email address??

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[22:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I need to leave, also. Need to check some data before the EOM audits run at work. Night all.

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> No, Gran, I have wondered about her

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[22:06] <VCI-Bob> See ya Bez! Shalom!!

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[22:06] <Gran-VHL> 5Bez god bless C U

[22:06] <skip-VHL> 4Shalom BEZ

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> I want to look at a prophecy in Zechariah

[22:07] <Gran-VHL> 5the last i heard was just before we switched over to Thurs

[22:07] <skip-VHL> 4what were you looking at earlier?

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> one of the many that speaks of Israel's regathering to the land...

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> but with a special twist :)

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> We were looking at Psalm 60

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[22:08] <VCI-Bob> and other various things :)

[22:08] <skip-VHL> 4:-)

[22:08] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> mostly discussing the "East Bank"

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> so, to follow that...

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> look at this:

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> "I will signal for them and gather them in. Surely I will redeem them; they will be as numerous as before." (Zechariah 10:8 NIV)

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> "Though I scatter them among the peoples, yet in distant lands they will remember me. They and their children will survive, and they will return." (Zechariah 10:9 NIV)

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> "I will bring them back from Egypt and gather them from Assyria. I will bring them to Gilead and Lebanon, and there will not be room enough for them." (Zechariah 10:10 NIV)

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> Another promise of restoration and redemption to Israel....

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> but...

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> look carefully at v 10

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> WHERE does He say He is bringing them back TO?

[22:09] <Gran-VHL> 5oh boy Bob

[22:09] <Gran-VHL> 5Lebanon

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> Gilead - on the East Bank

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> and Lebanon!

[22:10] <Gran-VHL> 5and Giliad

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> uh huh!

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> that hasn't happened yet!

[22:10] <Gran-VHL> 5god is so good

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> amen!!

[22:10] <Gran-VHL> 5its a pity that man can't be faithful

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> Yes, but even in our fraility, His grace is there

[22:11] <Gran-VHL> 5but then god aways is

[22:11] <skip-VHL> 4what does ..and place shall not be found for thaem mean

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> It means, Skip...

[22:11] <Gran-VHL> 5over crowded SKip

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> That many many people are coming back

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> even more than already have

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> Until no room can be found for them.

[22:12] <skip-VHL> 4OHH ! Thanks

[22:12] <Gran-VHL> 5that sounds like the gettoes they were croweded into during the war Hiltler made on them

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> Interesting, that the very next passage talks about "fire" on Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan

[22:13] <Gran-VHL> 5but this tiime God will open up the boarders for them

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[22:13] <VCI-Bob> yes

[22:14] <Gran-VHL> 5fingers getting tired hitting wrong keys again

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> yes, I guess we should wrap it up

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> thanks again for your participation :)

[22:15] <Gran-VHL> 5yes I need to go to bed getting older by the minute here LOL

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> every minute closer to the day we see His face :)

[22:15] <Gran-VHL> 5amen

[22:15] <skip-VHL> 4well then I hope I can make it on time MON. but glad for transcript

[22:15] <Gran-VHL> 5YIPPI#E

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:16] <Gran-VHL> 5glad we could all make it here again

[22:16] <skip-VHL> 4I really feel like it is close

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Skip

[22:16] <Gran-VHL> 5bob have you read about the item in VHL about the Jews comiing back

[22:16] <Gran-VHL> 5in the 1700's

[22:16] <skip-VHL> 4lots of earthquakes and volcanoes and fires worldwide

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> no, I did't see that, Gran

[22:17] <Gran-VHL> 5if the Arabs won't believe the scriptures then they have history to read

[22:17] <Gran-VHL> 5perhaps it started in the 1500's very long article

[22:17] <Gran-VHL> 5and very interesting

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> As Jesus said, if they don't believe the Scriptures, it would not matter if someone came back from the dead to tell them

[22:17] <Gran-VHL> 5I finally got so tired i had to stop reading

[22:18] <Gran-VHL> 5yes so right Bob

[22:18] <Gran-VHL> 5well you know what i am getting at the historical record of the Jews

[22:18] <skip-VHL> 4 61 days of no rain and 38 of triple digit temp here in dallas area, so pray for us to get some relief please

[22:18] <Gran-VHL> 5amy came back from Turkey

[22:18] <Gran-VHL> 5many

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> yes - it's a powerful testimony to God keeping His word

[22:19] <Gran-VHL> 5yes I shall skip

[22:19] <Gran-VHL> 5we in No Ga are getting some much needed rain

[22:19] <Gran-VHL> 5nice and soft to soak in

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> the existence of the Jews alone is enough evidence for anyone to believe in the God of the Bible

[22:19] <Gran-VHL> 5but most likely will not last long

[22:19] <skip-VHL> 4PTL Gran

[22:19] <Gran-VHL> 5well the muslims are saying that the Jews have no right of return but they do

[22:20] <Gran-VHL> 5hog wash

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:20] <skip-VHL> 4G_D WILL SHOW THEM WHO IS STILL BOSS

[22:20] <Gran-VHL> 5oh Bob maybe the wash basin was for washiing hogs

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> you got it, Skip!

[22:20] <skip-VHL> 4LOL

[22:20] <Gran-VHL> 5yes skip

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> OK, on that note, I'll say Good Night! Shalom, Gran and Skip! :)

[22:21] <Gran-VHL> 5well loved ones I need to go so can get up tomorrow be=fore noon

[22:21] <Gran-VHL> 5shalom Bob and skip god bless