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[19:52] <VCI-Bob> Shalom!

[19:52] <hope-VHL> 3Hiiiiiii BOB

[19:52] <VCI-Bob> Hi Hope!!

[19:52] <hope-VHL> 3Where is everyone????

[19:53] <VCI-Bob> Oh, they'll be here - we are early

[19:53] <hope-VHL> 3I'm excited about that Parousia conference in Orlando!!

[19:53] <VCI-Bob> I'm listening to a song by "Third Day" on the internet now - "Your Love Oh Lord"

[19:53] <VCI-Bob> yes, me too, Hope!

[19:53] <VCI-Bob> I was just talking to my wife about the conference

[19:54] <hope-VHL> 3It's going to be great!

[19:54] <VCI-Bob> She might be able to make it for the Friday session

[19:54] <VCI-Bob> I hope to be there for all of it

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[19:54] <VCI-Bob> I have not registered yet

[19:54] <VCI-Bob> welcome, Gran!

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[19:54] <Gran-VHL> 5;-):)

[19:54] <VCI-Bob> And there's Bez! Shalom!

[19:54] <Gran-VHL> 5hello everyone

[19:55] <Bezalel-VHL> Good evening, Bob, Hope, Gran Dvd

[19:55] <hope-VHL> 3Hi Gran!

[19:55] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Hi hope

[19:55] <hope-VHL> 3I haven't either Bob, but I'm going, Lord willing!

[19:55] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Bob Hope thats a funny Bez

[19:55] <VCI-Bob> The price is right - only $10

[19:56] <Gran-VHL> 5what is that for Bob

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> I think that's great - I can't understand how people can charge a lot for supposed "ministry"

[19:56] <hope-VHL> 3and I just know it's going to be well worth the 10.00 bucks!

[19:56] <hope-VHL> 3I agree

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> a prophecy conference in Orlando, Gran

[19:56] <Gran-VHL> 5oh well I can't go anyway

[19:56] <Gran-VHL> 5you can tell us about it Bob

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> Oh, I will Gran, and Hope will too :)

[19:57] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Bob I agree so many of them charge terrible prices

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[19:57] <hope-VHL> 3and by that date of Sept 14 -16, we must have some other news too with the Middle east

[19:57] <Gran-VHL> 5they must think we are all independently wealthy

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[19:57] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, called out!

[19:58] <Gran-VHL> 5called shalom

[19:58] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob who is speaking

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> It's Marv Rosenthal...

[19:58] <called_out-VHL> Good Evening Bob, and Room :_

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> James McDonald, Bill Lee-Warner...

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Charles Cooper and Tim Gill

[19:59] <Gran-VHL> 5has anyone heard that Clinton is a lier again now he says that he will put two US embassies in Jerusalem ISreal and Palestinine

[19:59] <hope-VHL> 3He's a great speaker! I have his Daniel tapes....they're awesome

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> It starts on a Thursday night, so I am going to have to figure out how I'm going to arrange it :)

[19:59] <Gran-VHL> 5oh I do not know them

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> maybe swap nights with Stan or something

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> yes, Gran - I read that

[20:00] <hope-VHL> 3YEAH BOB you better!

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> :)

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[20:00] <Gran-VHL> 5the Democratic runner against Hillary in NY says that that would be a mistake

[20:00] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom All

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 5Jerry shalom

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> When you get a chance, check out an editorial by Uri Dan in the J Post

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> online

[20:01] <called_out-VHL> 10Shalom Jerry

[20:01] <Jerry-VHL> How is your back Gran?

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Aug 17, entitled "Barak's 'striptease' at Camp David"

[20:01] <hope-VHL> 3I don't think the Jewish people or the Arab people want the embassy moved, right?

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 5Jerry it just does not give me a break

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Hi Jerry!

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 5and sometimes it gets worse

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 5but I will live

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Yes, you will Gran, and rumor has it that you have a new body in store :)

[20:02] <Gran-VHL> 5I will be having surgery on it perhaps after the holidays not given a date yet

[20:02] <Gran-VHL> 5Woopie Bob to that one

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:02] <Jerry-VHL> True Bob

[20:02] <called_out-VHL> 10You mean Christmas holidays Gran

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Won't that be a great day! :)

[20:03] <hope-VHL> 3I Can't WAIT!!!!!

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 5yes i believe so

[20:03] <called_out-VHL> 10I too am in need of a new body :)

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 5nothing is settled yet however

[20:03] <Jerry-VHL> I could use a new body soon, However, I feel I may have abuse my old one. I need forgiveness there

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 5I just know that I will have to wait 6 lmonths from the one on my neck in June

[20:04] <called_out-VHL> 10humm, I see :-O

[20:04] <hope-VHL> 3Bob, question......some people believe that some of the seals have already been opened......that we're going into the 4th seal...does this make sense to you?

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> I see that the forums on VHL have some very lively discussions going!

[20:04] <Gran-VHL> 5well I was in a car wreck in 69 and in 85 while at work was reinjured

[20:04] <called_out-VHL> 10:-O

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> I've heard that hope, but I don't think we are there yet, that any have been opened

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[20:05] <hope-VHL> 3OH GOOD me neither ;)

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, sunrise

[20:05] <Gran-VHL> 5sunrise shalom

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> It seems to me that when they are, we (Christians) will KNOW it

[20:05] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Sunrise

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Assuming we are still here, that is :)

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Bob I would think so

[20:06] <called_out-VHL> 10amen to that Bob

[20:06] <hope-VHL> 3;)

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> I was thinking about what would happen, today, in America if there was famine

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> how people would become brutal and treacherous

[20:07] <Jerry-VHL> My thought is that there will be an initial judgement that will be quick and complete and the seals may have already been opened and leading to the final judgement, another words we are being given doses to lead people to repentance

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[20:07] <called_out-VHL> 10You know that Bob,

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[20:07] <called_out-VHL> 10We aren't used to being hungry

[20:07] <hope-VHL> 3I don't believe the seals begin until the seventieth week begins.....

[20:07] <called_out-VHL> 10We would probably be really bad

[20:08] <sunrise-VHL> Hi Folks

[20:08] <Jerry-VHL> People are becoming like brute beast these days, with no manners ...

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> The first seal is, what, the white horse, with the conqueror?

[20:08] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom sunrise

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 5Jerry I just don't think so not enough has happened for us to be past the fourth seal

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. (Revelation 6:2 NIV)

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> That's the first one

[20:08] <called_out-VHL> 10So, room, you think we could posibly be in the beginning of the Trib!!

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> Seven-year pact with Israel....

[20:08] <hope-VHL> 3right the white horse

[20:08] <Jerry-VHL> I don't know about the seals, but I think the earth is be judged to bring people to repentance.

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> which many believe to be the first signs of the antichrists attempts at world dominion

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> right?

[20:09] <hope-VHL> 3that's my belief, right

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> That's all it says about the first seal

[20:09] <sunrise-VHL> 13:-)

[20:09] <Gran-VHL> 5remember that it is the anti christ that will make the agreement with Israel which leads into the trib

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> the second seal is this:

[20:09] <called_out-VHL> 10right Gran

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword. (Revelation 6:4 NIV)

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> So... let's think about it....

[20:10] <called_out-VHL> 10that is the next thing to watch for, right?

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> we know that prior to that will be a time of "peace and safety" right?

[20:10] <hope-VHL> 3this is wars, right?

[20:10] <sunrise-VHL> 9why are you using the NIV? As opposed to the King James.....?

[20:10] <called_out-VHL> 10Does the peace and safety refer to Israel Bob?

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> So.... the first 2 seals will be the antichrist going after his empire, and then outbreaks of war

[20:11] <Jerry-VHL> I need to get my old bible with my notes, brb

[20:11] <hope-VHL> 3my Bible is parallel KJV and NIV, so I don't mind ;)

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Called out, I think it may be the world in general also

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Personal preferense, sunrise

[20:11] <called_out-VHL> 10OH :)

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> preference

[20:11] <hope-VHL> 3We're in Revelation the Sixth chapter....

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> We have seen neither of these, so I don't suppose the first seals ahve been opened

[20:12] <sunrise-VHL> 9I think that the newer versions of the bible leave out some key words and you cannot cross reference

[20:12] <Gran-VHL> 5agree Bob

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> sunrise, that color is hard to read

[20:12] <sunrise-VHL> 9I know..... I changed it!

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> thats fine, sunrise - you can use the KJV, and I'll use NIV

[20:12] <hope-VHL> 3right, alot of people like to "read" into things

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> and the third seal is world famine

[20:13] <Gran-VHL> 5besides that with the fourth seal comes death and hades andkillings by sword also famine and plague and by the wild beasts of the earth

[20:13] <sunrise-VHL> 11How's this?

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> no good :)

[20:13] <sunrise-VHL> 4OK

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> ya like those pastels, huh! :)

[20:13] <hope-VHL> 3KJV verse two....."And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer

[20:13] <Gran-VHL> 5sunrise dear that is a pretty color but very hard to read

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> yes :)

[20:14] <sunrise-VHL> 4how about the red?

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> the red is better

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 5much better

[20:14] <sunrise-VHL> 4thanks

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 5thanks

[20:14] <hope-VHL> 3they both sound pretty much the same.......

[20:15] <called_out-VHL> 10You are awful quiet tonight Bez, are you asleep?

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> What is the overall significance of the "seals" in your opinion?

[20:15] <sunrise-VHL> 4I t gives a timeframe

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> a "seal" signified...

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> the royal authority of a king, right?

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> to issue a decree?

[20:16] <hope-VHL> 3right

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> speaking of royal authority....

[20:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Reading the editorial in J. Post.

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> here is a very cool Messianic prophecy

[20:17] <hope-VHL> 3so the ONLY ONE who could allow the seventieth week to begin, is our Lord Jesus Christ

[20:17] <called_out-VHL> 10Oh..good idea :)

[20:17] <hope-VHL> 3what prophecy?

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> First - does anyone know what a kings signet ring was?

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> (background to the prophecy)

[20:17] <called_out-VHL> 10Not me Bob

[20:17] <hope-VHL> 3to put the mark on the seal?

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> yes, hope - signifying authority

[20:18] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Bob

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> for example, when Daniel was put in the lions den...

[20:18] <hope-VHL> 3right

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> it was sealed with the kings signet ring

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> anyway...

[20:18] <Jerry-VHL> Bob, I have been reading and maybe I am far off, but could the fourth seal represent the falst Muslim religion, based on a lie which leads peple to death, they have been growing very strong over the world scene and they are a source of great oppression and it''s adherants control $$$ in oil

[20:18] <Gran-VHL> 5it was indented with his insignia

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[20:18] <sunrise-VHL> 4does anybody know the end of the return

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> hold on Jerry :)

[20:18] <Gran-VHL> 5the same as his coat of arms

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> the prophecy is in Haggai....

[20:19] <sunrise-VHL> 4ooops! does anybody know the time of the return?

[20:19] <Gran-VHL> 5the ring was set in a blob of wax

[20:19] <Jerry-VHL> Sorry Bob I got side tracked

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> "Tell Zerubbabel governor of Judah that I will shake the heavens and the earth. (Haggai 2:21 NIV)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> I will overturn royal thrones and shatter the power of the foreign kingdoms. I will overthrow chariots and their drivers; horses and their riders will fall, each by the sword of his brother. (Haggai 2:22 NIV)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> "'On that day,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,' declares the LORD, 'and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,' declares the LORD Almighty." (Haggai 2:23 NIV)

[20:19] <sunrise-VHL> 4The year?

[20:19] <hope-VHL> 3;) we all do at times Jerry

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> That's ok Jerry - we can talk about that in a minute

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> there is the prophecy - lets look at it

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> first - who was Zerubbabel - anyone?

[20:20] <sunrise-VHL> 4Does anyone here know the date of the return of the Lord Jesus Christ

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> no one, sunrise

[20:20] <sunrise-VHL> 4Bob.....Why is that?

[20:20] <Jerry-VHL> No sunrise, it was not given for us to know the exact date

[20:20] <hope-VHL> 3I don't know Bob,

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> who was Zerubbabel? :)

[20:20] <Gran-VHL> 5sunrise God will let us know at the time he choses

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> ok - I'll tell you who he was :)

[20:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2He was the governor of Jerusalum?

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> he was a descendant of the royal line of kings, from David

[20:21] <Jerry-VHL> I don't know Bob, I kmow he is a descendent of David I believe,

[20:21] <sunrise-VHL> 4VHL.....He has said....he revealeth all

[20:21] <sunrise-VHL> 4Do you know the year?

[20:21] <Jerry-VHL> twice confirmed

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> and a descendant (in BOTH geneologies - figure that) of Jesus

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> yes, Jerry

[20:22] <hope-VHL> 3Sunrise......Matthew 24:36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

[20:22] <sunrise-VHL> 4Study matthew 24......The Fig Tree Parable

[20:22] <Elias-VHL> 71917-1967-2007-2017

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[20:22] <VCI-Bob> he is a "Messianic type" - hence the significance of this prophecy

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Michael

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> "Tell Zerubbabel governor of Judah that I will shake the heavens and the earth. (Haggai 2:21 NIV)

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> I will overturn royal thrones and shatter the power of the foreign kingdoms. I will overthrow chariots and their drivers; horses and their riders will fall, each by the sword of his brother. (Haggai 2:22 NIV)

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> "'On that day,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,' declares the LORD, 'and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,' declares the LORD Almighty." (Haggai 2:23 NIV)

[20:22] <Gran-VHL> 5he was the governer of Isreal

[20:22] <michaelmg-VHL> thank you

[20:22] <sunrise-VHL> 4VHL....Jesus said that....at the TIME, no one knew....things have changed......

[20:22] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Elias

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran, he was among those who returned from Babylon

[20:22] <Elias-VHL> 7Shalom Jerry...

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> and the prophecy of Haggai is about rebuilding the Temple....

[20:23] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Michaelmg

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 5in Hag 1,2 and Zac 4

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> But.... God is telling Zerubbabel some things about the "end times"

[20:23] <Elias-VHL> 7Have read some of the forums that you have written....

[20:23] <sunrise-VHL> 4It is possible to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man

[20:23] <hope-VHL> 3since when do we change what the Bible CLEARLY states, sunrise?

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> what is he telling him?

[20:23] <Jerry-VHL> Me Elias

[20:23] <hope-VHL> 3No, it is possible to know the SIGNS, period.

[20:23] <Jerry-VHL> I too, yours

[20:23] <sunrise-VHL> 4Hope...Please read....

[20:24] <sunrise-VHL> 4Revelation 3:3

[20:24] <sunrise-VHL> 4:)

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> What is God telling Zerubbabel through Haggai?

[20:24] <Elias-VHL> 7We are no longer as servants for does a servant know what his Master does, for we are as sons to the Father for He has told those He loves all things....

[20:24] <sunrise-VHL> 4IT IS POSSIBLE

[20:24] <sunrise-VHL> 4He tells us it is.....He gives us the date

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[20:25] <Jerry-VHL> Sunrise what do you mean?

[20:25] <hope-VHL> 3Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. .....NO it DOES NOT GIVE US A DATE

[20:25] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Bob and everyone, I have been missing you all I have had to work so I have not been able to get in here but I sure have missed it

[20:25] <Elias-VHL> 7That Hi Kathy

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Sunrise, that's ridiculous - God has not give us the exact date of Jesus return

[20:25] <sunrise-VHL> 4Jerry.....The date of the coming of The Son of man has been revealed in Matthew 24

[20:25] <Gran-VHL> 5Kathy hi

[20:25] <Elias-VHL> 7sorry was starting to type something...

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Hi Kathy! Great to see you!!!

[20:26] <sunrise-VHL> 4The Fig tree Parable

[20:26] <Elias-VHL> 7Yes.... when the fig tree is shaken....

[20:26] <hope-VHL> 3The fig tree parable was a time frame.......summer was drawing near.......so that did not give them the EXACT date of when summer started

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> OK - I can see that no one is interested in Haggai :)

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> or Zerubbabel :)

[20:26] <hope-VHL> 3YES I am Bob, I got side tracked! :(

[20:27] <called_out-VHL> 10I am Bob, please continue

[20:27] <sunrise-VHL> 4Ok Ok, what significant event happened in jewish history in 1967?

[20:27] <Jerry-VHL> Bob, I am lost, I am interested in Haggie, but some provokative statements have made made that has caught my eye

[20:27] <sunrise-VHL> 4Anybody?

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> OK - let's look again:

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> "Tell Zerubbabel governor of Judah that I will shake the heavens and the earth. (Haggai 2:21 NIV)

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> I will overturn royal thrones and shatter the power of the foreign kingdoms. I will overthrow chariots and their drivers; horses and their riders will fall, each by the sword of his brother. (Haggai 2:22 NIV)

[20:27] <michaelmg-VHL> isr

[20:27] <Jerry-VHL> Gained control of Jerusalem

[20:27] <Gran-VHL> 5sunrise in Matt. 24:36 no one knows about that day or hour not even the angles in heaven nor the Son, but only the Father

[20:27] <hope-VHL> 3Go ahead Sunrise, what DATE do you think Jesus will return on? If you know the exact date, then you know more than Jesus Himself

[20:28] <Elias-VHL> 7Yes.... Haggai is exactly what all are talking about..... but not directly for it talks of the Lord and Him seting up a flagship for those to follow unto the Lord....

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Why did Haggai single out Zerubbabel for this special message?

[20:28] <hope-VHL> 3why did he Bob?

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> because - he was an ancestor and symbolic of Messiah

[20:28] <Jerry-VHL> I don't know

[20:28] <sunrise-VHL> 4Go to Matthew 24:32 and read the parable again. Again, what significant event happened in jewish hisory in 1967??

[20:28] <hope-VHL> 3my sister was born ;)

[20:28] <called_out-VHL> 10War, sunrise

[20:28] <sunrise-VHL> 4The Six Day War!!!!

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Sunrise, we all know what happened in 1967

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> 5sunrise we all know about the 6 day war

[20:29] <Jerry-VHL> I have to agree with you Bob, I have thought that but the name threw me

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> 5but the Lord will not return until the days of the anti christ has come

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> So... God tells Zerubbabel that He is going to "shake the earth"

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> "Tell Zerubbabel governor of Judah that I will shake the heavens and the earth. (Haggai 2:21 NIV)

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> I will overturn royal thrones and shatter the power of the foreign kingdoms. I will overthrow chariots and their drivers; horses and their riders will fall, each by the sword of his brother. (Haggai 2:22 NIV)

[20:29] <sunrise-VHL> 4Ok Ok, when that war was over, Israel had quadrupled her size. She acquired the Golan Heights, the West Bank, The Gaza SAtrip and the Sinai Pensinsula

[20:30] <Elias-VHL> 7No.... a sign of the prophet of the Lord God in this time to come for when the heaven and the earth are shaken the Lord shal send His prophet to prepare the way as He sent John the baptist.... for the prophet of the Lord shall lead them to springs of living water and they shall be fed....

[20:30] <Gran-VHL> 5yes bob and that shaking has not yet come I think

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> That's right, Gran

[20:30] <Jerry-VHL> When that man is sin is REVEALED, whom the Lord shall consume with the brightness of His COMINGI

[20:30] <sunrise-VHL> 4NEXT, how long is a generation in the BiBle?

[20:30] <Gran-VHL> 5 40 years

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Because - it means the Messiah will shatter the powers of the world kingdoms

[20:30] <Gran-VHL> 5yes thats right Bob

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> and.... (this is what got me started on this topic....)

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> "'On that day,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,' declares the LORD, 'and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,' declares the LORD Almighty." (Haggai 2:23 NIV)

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> OK - explain that verse

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> 5sunrise many people have been trying to figurer out the date and so far they have all been wrong

[20:31] <hope-VHL> 3The generation will not pass away......this is the generation that SEES the things that begin in the seventieth week of Daniel

[20:31] <Jerry-VHL> This man of sin will obviously lead the fight against Israel.

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> 5it is not for us to know until it happens according to what Jesus himself said

[20:31] <hope-VHL> 3You're better at that Bob!

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> "'On that day,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,' declares the LORD, 'and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,' declares the LORD Almighty." (Haggai 2:23 NIV)

[20:32] <Kathy-VHL> ok Bob who are the decendants of Zerubb

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> "that day

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> "that day" is yet future

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Zerubbabel is already dead

[20:32] <Elias-VHL> 7 1917-1967-2007-2017 what is the difference in between, the Jubilee, a generation, 10 days thrown into jail.....

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> who has the authority of God ("like His signet ring")?

[20:32] <sunrise-VHL> 4So, 40 years from 1967 is 2007!

[20:33] <hope-VHL> 3boy, I'm lost with these verses......................JESUS

[20:33] <Jerry-VHL> Y'shua has been given the keys to the kingdom

[20:33] <Gran-VHL> 5sunrise we all have more to do than try to set dates

[20:33] <Kathy-VHL> yes but who are the people that decended from him that God will take amd make as His signet rign

[20:33] <Gran-VHL> 5I don't beleive that it is pleaseing to God

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Sunrise, it is very foolish to set dates - yes it is close

[20:33] <Jerry-VHL> The Jews

[20:33] <hope-VHL> 3You may be right on that Sunrise, but WHAT date???

[20:33] <Kathy-VHL> yes Bob but which tribe

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> It's JESUS - the descendant of Zerubbable

[20:34] <Kathy-VHL> do we know

[20:34] <sunrise-VHL> 4Between 1967 and 2007. Look at what's happening in the world!!

[20:34] <Jerry-VHL> The sceptre shall not depart from Judah

[20:34] <michaelmg-VHL> dates are bad, God doesn't want us to know the exact date or he would make it clear to everyone

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> 5oh Bob of course it is

[20:34] <Kathy-VHL> oh right I was thinking of a people ok right

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> OK Sunrise, let it rest, please

[20:34] <Jerry-VHL> Jesus Lion of the Tribe of Judah has prevailed

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> 5I think e got distracted with setting dates

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> look again: "'On that day,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,' declares the LORD, 'and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,' declares the LORD Almighty." (Haggai 2:23 NIV)

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[20:34] <VCI-Bob> "I have chosen YOU"

[20:35] <hope-VHL> 3many people believe that Sunrise, but to say that you know with all certainty is foolish, because you really don't.

[20:35] <Grace-VHL> Shalom Everyone....Jerry....no more phone tag...now I gottcha....lol...

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> this is a clear Messianic prophecy

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> speaking of the end times

[20:35] <Elias-VHL> 7many are called but FEW are chosen....

[20:35] <Elias-VHL> 7we are in the end times....

[20:35] <Grace-VHL> what is a clear messianic prophecy Bob...sorry...trying to catch up...

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> and Jesus, the Messiah, from the royal line of David

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 5Grace shalom

[20:35] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Grace, Had puter probs and someone was here playing with it.

[20:35] <Grace-VHL> Shalom Gran....

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> Haggai 2:21-23, Grace

[20:36] <Elias-VHL> 7Hello Grace.....

[20:36] <sunrise-VHL> 4I understand hope, but the lord does tell us to watch many times.

[20:36] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Grace

[20:36] <Grace-VHL> Shalom Elias, Kathy and everyone...

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> The reason I brought that up...

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 5yes sunrise HE told us to watch and to be ready but not to try to figue out when

[20:36] <hope-VHL> 3Oh, sunrise, don't get me wrong......I believe we are soooooo close, but I don't set dates, as in years.....because if it's wrong, you lose all credibility with the lost world

[20:36] <Jerry-VHL> Watching is good, predicting is bad

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> it that it indicates the the Messiah will have the FULL AUTHORITY of God

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> and who has the full authority of God but God?

[20:37] <hope-VHL> 3AWESOME!!!!

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 5yes amen Bob how great I had looked at the verse before

[20:37] <Elias-VHL> 7remember the Lord said that THIS generation shall not pass away until He comes.....

[20:37] <michaelmg-VHL> if we knew the date then people would play games and wait until the date then join the winning team just before the big game so to speak

[20:38] <Grace-VHL> I was just praying today about the shaking that will go on....

[20:38] <hope-VHL> 3NO, He said that the generation that SEES the things HE was describing in Matthew 24, would not pass away

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> Haggai is relevant to today because...

[20:38] <Jerry-VHL> When Jesus takes the kingdom unto Himself He will deliver it to God and take His place at His Right Hand. ? ref

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> the subject of the book is God's temple

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 5thats right Hope

[20:39] <sunrise-VHL> 4I really feel that if we study the bible and ask the lord to open our eyes he will show us importand clues hat will show us a time frame. anyway, enough said about that for tonight. Please read the fig ree paragble again

[20:39] <hope-VHL> 3summer IS drawing near......but we STILL don't know the EXACT date....

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 5sunrise God also does things in HIS own way

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. (1 Corinthians 15:24 NIV)

[20:40] <Elias-VHL> 7 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 5lets let Bob get into what he has for us

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> is that what you were thinking of, Jerry?

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> that verse does relate back to the Haggai prophecy also...

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> speaking of Jesus ultimate victory over all forces and powers that oppose Him

[20:41] <Jerry-VHL> Yes

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. (1 Corinthians 15:25 NIV)

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Paul is quoting from Psalm 110 there, a great Messianic Psalm

[20:42] <Grace-VHL> Elias, do you have a thought as to who the 2 witnesses are?

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[20:42] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Perpetua

[20:42] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Perpetua

[20:42] <Perpetua-VHL> Hi Bob (and all)

[20:42] <Grace-VHL> Shalom Perpetua....

[20:42] <Elias-VHL> 7But He reigns NOW in the hearts of those who TRULY love Him and the war has aready been won i the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

[20:42] <michaelmg-VHL> amen

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Elias :)

[20:42] <Grace-VHL> Amen...we await the full manifestation....

[20:42] <Jerry-VHL> He is ruling now

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 5perpetua shalom

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> But all of His enemies have not yet been made subject to Him

[20:43] <Perpetua-VHL> Hi Gran

[20:43] <hope-VHL> 3It's amazing how such a small book as Haggai has such awesome prophecy!

[20:43] <Grace-VHL> true....

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> that's the final battle that Haggai referred to

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> yes, Hope :)

[20:44] <Jerry-VHL> No, they are being given the opportunity to repent, he is longsuffering not willing that any should perish

[20:44] <michaelmg-VHL> ive had to look twice to find it, we almost never use it in church

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> Right Jerry :)

[20:44] <Elias-VHL> 7His kingdom is not come to earth yet for the deceiver rules the hearts of ankind but it will with power and glory and with ten thousand of His angels, as the Lord prayed, THY KINGDOM COME THY WILL BE DONE....

[20:44] <Grace-VHL> Bob, though not all have been made subject would you say that it is a done deal and we await the manifestation of his kingdom on earth?

[20:44] <Grace-VHL> I mean a done deal in the heavens in the spiritual sense of the word]]

[20:44] <michaelmg-VHL> ?

[20:45] <Jerry-VHL> The earth travails waiting for the manifestation of the Son's of God

[20:45] <hope-VHL> 3Jesus Christ has already WON!

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Grace, we await that, but it will only happen when Jesus comes to smash the powers on earth, as foretold by many prophets

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> including Haggai

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Bob thats a for sure

[20:45] <sunrise-VHL> 4Sorry folks, didn't mean to get carried away. bye for tonite..

[20:46] <Elias-VHL> 7Bye sunrise...

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 5sunrise thats OK we love you

[20:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night, sunrise

[20:46] <hope-VHL> 3why are you leaving sunrise? ;)

[20:46] <Grace-VHL> Yes, I agree with that.....

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> their is false teaching going around about the "manifestation" of the sons of God

[20:46] <Jerry-VHL> Goodnight Sunrise and God bless

[20:46] <called_out-VHL> 10Bye, Bye Sunrise :)

[20:46] <Grace-VHL> What is the false teaching Bob....if you don't mind sharing

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> that the kingdom will somehow be ushered in by Christians who become "glorified" or something

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Bob I am sure you have heard of those that call themselves that

[20:46] <Grace-VHL> Shalom sunrise....blessings and love to you in the glory of love- our Messiah....

[20:46] <hope-VHL> 3we all get carried away! :)

[20:46] <sunrise-VHL> 4I'm leaving because I had to travel last nite and did not get home until about 4 AM I'm pooped!

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 5it is quite a cult

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[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 5god bless yhou sunrise

[20:47] <Grace-VHL> Whoa...that is not cool!

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> yes, it is, and will lend it self nicely to the antichrist

[20:47] <Jerry-VHL> We shall know them by their fruits, they willhave love one for another and they will be walking in the Glorious liberty of the Son's of light, not shakeled by the doctrines of man.

[20:47] <hope-VHL> 3OH! God bless you, Sunrise, goodnight! :)

[20:47] <sunrise-VHL> 4God Bless you all !

[20:47] <Grace-VHL> Amen Jerry!

[20:47] <Elias-VHL> 7The Lord repeats Himself a thousand times in scripture and has woven His prophecy through out to form a perfect tapestry that we must look at the whole to admire the fabric He has laid down and not just a couple of those threads.....

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> God bless you also, sunrise :)

[20:47] <Grace-VHL> Amen Elias....it is truth....

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[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Elias, we must examine ALL of God's Word

[20:48] <Jerry-VHL> Elian I have said that very thing, this is too weird, do I know you

[20:48] <Gran-VHL> 5yes elias the back side of a tapestry is just a lot of threads

[20:48] <Jerry-VHL> I mean Elias

[20:48] <michaelmg-VHL> have you all heard about the digital angel?

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> we WILL be glorified, yes, but only when we see Him

[20:48] <Grace-VHL> G-d is really cool because he has patterns that can be easily missed if one is not really paying attention to the Word and the leading of the Holy Spirit...

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> yes, Michael

[20:48] <Gran-VHL> 5no michael what is that??

[20:49] <Elias-VHL> 7we are all ONE in the Spirit of Christ Jesus our Lord and didtance in nothing to the Creator of all things, like minded. Amen.

[20:49] <hope-VHL> 3Yes, Michael........the prototype is done

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> I don't worry about such things, personally

[20:49] <michaelmg-VHL> i read that yesterday

[20:49] <hope-VHL> 3did you hear when it was going to be unveiled? Michael

[20:49] <Perpetua-VHL> Digital Angel????

[20:49] <michaelmg-VHL> october

[20:49] <Jerry-VHL> Digital angel is a chip used to find people and has all our info

[20:50] <hope-VHL> 3right, 2 months ahead of schedule.....

[20:50] <Jerry-VHL> Something to that effect

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[20:50] <michaelmg-VHL> goes into use next year on sex offenders ect

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Sis!

[20:50] <Grace-VHL> bob, could you share your thoughts as to why the digital angel does not concern you....

[20:50] <Jerry-VHL> They use it now in animals, but it will be a more elaborate device for people

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 5oh gosh do we have to have the chip or?????

[20:50] <hope-VHL> 3Yeah, I'm not worried about that either Bob, NO chip for me!

[20:50] <Jerry-VHL> It doen'st concern me either

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 5sis shalom

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> This verse: "The last enemy to be destroyed is death. (1 Corinthians 15:26 NIV)

[20:51] <michaelmg-VHL> we should be gone by then

[20:51] <Perpetua-VHL> No way - where will it be in the head or hand?

[20:51] <michaelmg-VHL> it just shows how close we are

[20:51] <Elias-VHL> 7Can I have some salt on that chip before I throw it in the bin for it has too much fat on it.....

[20:51] <michaelmg-VHL> either

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> 5unless a chip is forced on us we do not have to worry about it

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> leads us back to Isaiah 25, which we started talking about 2 weeks ago, so we will head there after the "digital angel" discussion is finished :)

[20:51] <hope-VHL> 3that's right Gran, but either way, I wouldn't get ANY chip placed in my right hand or forehead!

[20:52] <Perpetua-VHL> If it is the mark it will be a choice right? not forced on us.

[20:52] <Jerry-VHL> Ha Ha Elias, some onion dip too

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 5Didn't Jesus say that HE has overcome death Bob

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> right, Perpetua

[20:52] <Grace-VHL> What about the passage in scripture that says man will not be able to buy or sell unless he has the mark of the beast..

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran :)

[20:52] <Elias-VHL> 7fear not those things to come for the Lord our God is with thee, I shall never leave thee nor forsake thee saith the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

[20:52] <michaelmg-VHL> the base code for it is the same as upc>>> 666

[20:52] <Grace-VHL> Amen Elias...

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> and that is in Isaiah 25, Gran :)

[20:52] <Jerry-VHL> Grace that sounds to me like it is already happening when we sanctions coutries whot don't conform to our standards

[20:52] <Elias-VHL> 7Grace are you the Grace from the forums???

[20:52] <Grace-VHL> michaelmg...are you kidding about the upc code?

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 5yes of course Hope me iether they can kill me I will sure nnot forsake my LORD

[20:53] <Grace-VHL> Eliias...yes...

[20:53] <Perpetua-VHL> Who is suppose to monitor us? FBI, CIA, UN?

[20:53] <michaelmg-VHL> no, the 2 thin lines that are longer than the rest represent sixes, or so i understand

[20:53] <Grace-VHL> Jerry ...expound so I am clear on what you are saying...

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Folks, we needn't get paranoid about these things - we know they are going to happen, right? Gran has the right attitued :)

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> attitude

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 5so does hope Bob

[20:54] <Elias-VHL> 7Well the Lord has answered your prayer and in such a small time..... prayers are with you Grace....

[20:54] <Grace-VHL> I don't want to be paranoid but isn't it important to understand so as not to fall into a snare?

[20:54] <called_out-VHL> 10Grace has a point.

[20:54] <Jerry-VHL> Well, when countries do not conform to what we deem right, we withhold trade withthem and we don't buy their goods and we don't allow them to buy ours. This will go into the UN on a larger scale i think

[20:54] <michaelmg-VHL> i dont think the mark can be taken by mistake, it has to be a choice, a denile of God

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Grace, when the time comes for the "mark" it will be clear that taking it is a sign of devotion and allegience to the "beast"

[20:54] <hope-VHL> 3yes of course Grace, just always remember to NEVER get a chip , no matter what.

[20:55] <Elias-VHL> 7If we live in TRUTH and have the Lord Jesus Christ within, then we have been removed from the hour of temptation.... have we not???

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 5Grace the way I see it if we stay prayed up and stay in the Word we will not have it to be concerned about but yes we do need to be informed

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> right, Michael

[20:55] <Grace-VHL> Elias...Thank you...

[20:55] <michaelmg-VHL> i like to use it in my history class

[20:55] <called_out-VHL> 10But it will be hard, what if you are really, really, hungry. We need to know what is coming.

[20:55] <michaelmg-VHL> makes the kids think

[20:55] <Grace-VHL> michaelmg....whoa...that won't happen on this end....

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> agreed, called out

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 5hope you are right never take a chip not even for my dog

[20:56] <Grace-VHL> fasting is a great answer to hunger....

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> never take a chip? doritos? nachos? :)

[20:56] <michaelmg-VHL> lol

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 5:):)

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob

[20:56] <hope-VHL> 3that is why we should be WATCHING for His return.....we won't be caught off guard

[20:56] <Grace-VHL> lol

[20:56] <Elias-VHL> 7So this is a question for the hearts of men, when our Lord says, "many are called but few are chosen!" What is your thoughts on this??

[20:56] <Jerry-VHL> I hate chips, my problem is cookies

[20:56] <hope-VHL> 3LOL, Bob

[20:57] <called_out-VHL> 10It's not going to be that easy folks, we will need the Lord to carry us through that terrrible time.

[20:57] <Perpetua-VHL> Will we be here for that terrible time?

[20:57] <Grace-VHL> Elias...doesn't the word chosen here mean elected...Wait I will quickly look it up..

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> right, called - Jesus told us to pray for strength to endure those times

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> I think we will, Perpetua

[20:58] <called_out-VHL> 10a serious reading of Rev., lets you know what to expect, no one knows if we will be here then for sure.

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 5bob that can really be confused about the tiime of the rapture

[20:58] <sis-VHL> Jesus said when he comes for you don't look back, remember Lot's wife.

[20:58] <Jerry-VHL> Arent' we suppose to pray that we be found worthy to escape those things which are coming upon the earth

[20:58] <Elias-VHL> 7The Lord has given the answer, but to question man is always good....

[20:58] <hope-VHL> 3Elias.......you see a doorway that says all welcome, come......you go through the doorway into eternity, turn around and on the other side of the doorway it says CHOSEN

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 5I have heard the same verses in Thess used for both sides to the question

[20:59] <Grace-VHL> Elias..yes the word chosen means elected..

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> yes, called - so many times He says things like "I have told you ahead of time"

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> "But keep on the alert at all times, praying in order that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man." (Luke 21:36 NASB)

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[20:59] <Grace-VHL> Amen Bob...

[20:59] <called_out-VHL> 10Amen Bob

[20:59] <light2-VHL> Amen

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 5Hope what do you mean??

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> "strength to escape" - to me, that doesn't mean being raptured out

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 5I have not heard that before

[20:59] <Perpetua-VHL> I need all the strength I can get!;-)

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> why do you need "strength" to be raptured? :) so you can jump real high? :)

[21:00] <called_out-VHL> 10Do you think that could refer to trib saints Bob?

[21:00] <hope-VHL> 3chosen........we are chosen, and yet ALL are welcome

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> yes, called - trib saints all right - US :)

[21:00] <called_out-VHL> 10no, I mean the people during the trib that wouldn't take the mark and are saved them.

[21:00] <Grace-VHL> Stay in the Word Perpetua and your socks will get blown off....!

[21:00] <light2-VHL> kjv says worthy

[21:00] <Jerry-VHL> KJV says to : pray that you may be counted worthy to escape..

[21:00] <light2-VHL> Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

[21:00] <Elias-VHL> 7Yes and also the called and chosen are the fig tree that is shaken for when it is shaken from a FULL tree, there shall only be two or three from the top and four or five from the outmost branches, and from a whole vinyard bursting with grape there will be but ONE glass of wine pressed.... wow... not much for so mcuh....

[21:01] <hope-VHL> 3remember our Lord Jesus is returning to fight.....we as the Bride should be willing to FIGHT with Him!

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 5escape can mean the rapture

[21:01] <called_out-VHL> 10right Gran :)

[21:01] <hope-VHL> 3a BRIDE is willing to die for her GROOM

[21:01] <Elias-VHL> 7Amen Hope.... yes FULL commitmnet.....

[21:02] <Jerry-VHL> I think you are right Hope

[21:02] <michaelmg-VHL> the groom wont let that happen

[21:02] <Gran-VHL> 5and our groom already died for HIS bride

[21:02] <Grace-VHL> I don't want to change the subject here but before we bounce off for the night I have a question about Lieberman...let me know when it is ok to ask...

[21:02] <Perpetua-VHL> Especially since the Groom has already died for His bride

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> Go ahead. Grace

[21:02] <Perpetua-VHL> Gran youare too quick

[21:02] <called_out-VHL> 10raptured before the trib or mid point....and Jesus' return or Glorious appearing when we come back with Him to fight.

[21:02] <Jerry-VHL> Grace can you look up escape

[21:02] <hope-VHL> 3won't let what happen Michael.........He has given us ETERNAL LIFE, what more could He give......

[21:02] <called_out-VHL> 10How could be come back if we are still here?

[21:02] <Grace-VHL> Yes Jerry...hang a sec..

[21:03] <Gran-VHL> 5perputua i just type fast LOL

[21:03] <michaelmg-VHL> exactly

[21:03] <called_out-VHL> 10I am just asking, I have no real conviction about this.

[21:03] <Grace-VHL> Bob, do you believe Lieberman can be good for our country and Israel should he be elected?

[21:03] <Gran-VHL> 5just don't always hit the right key

[21:03] <Grace-VHL> looking it up Jerry...

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> That's what is says in 1 Thess 4, Called

[21:03] <Elias-VHL> 7Remember our Lord said that He didn't want the Father to take us OUT of the world but that He would be with us????

[21:03] <Jerry-VHL> Lieberman stands for abortion, it can never be good

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> He comes back, and brings us to meet Him in the air

[21:03] <Perpetua-VHL> AMEN Jerry

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> "good for our country" - Grace?

[21:04] <Jerry-VHL> Yes Elias exactly

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> 5bob what does the 7 years mean to you

[21:04] <Grace-VHL> The word escape in the passage referred to means: flee

[21:04] <light2-VHL> worthy in greek kataxioo----entirely deserving

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> in what way would he be good for our country?

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> 5then also a day and a half a day

[21:04] <Grace-VHL> Bob..just good in general for U.S.A. and Israel...

[21:04] <hope-VHL> 3remember, we are not called to endure GOD's WRATH, ......God's wrath does NOT begin until AFTER the SIXTH seal

[21:04] <Jerry-VHL> Grace look up

[21:05] <Gran-VHL> 5so right hope

[21:05] <Jerry-VHL> An entrance shall be made

[21:05] <Grace-VHL> light...what passage are you checking...? I got the word flee for the word escape....

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> I'm asking you - in what way would he be good for the country?

[21:05] <called_out-VHL> 10I am not sure Lieberman would be good for Israel....He doesn't have very moral ideas.

[21:05] <light2-VHL> That was word worthy in Luke 21:36

[21:05] <Grace-VHL> Bob..I don't know much about him but I believe if he even stands with Gore on pro-choice he can not be my choice...

[21:05] <called_out-VHL> 10and anyone with low morals will not make decisions that are good for Israel, Oh i am being naive.

[21:05] <Jerry-VHL> Don't let the word Jewish through you here, they may very well be using it to bring a snare on Israel

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> I agree, Grace

[21:06] <Grace-VHL> ok light....I was looking up the word escape...

[21:06] <hope-VHL> 3NO way would he be good for this country.....if he is agreeing with everything that GORE stands for......

[21:06] <Grace-VHL> Jerry..my thoughts exactly..

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> I personally will not vote for anyone who is not pro-life

[21:06] <Elias-VHL> 7the christians of today don't seem willing to feel anything for the ONE who died for us, do you think our Lord deserved to die for us sinners??? Why should we not go through pain and suffering for Him if it is the Lord our God's will?? Fear not for the Lord God is with thee, and in that day you are stoned and beaten and cut, rejoice for you do it for my name sake, saith the Lord and Saviour.

[21:06] <light2-VHL> actually it is to deem entirely deserving

[21:06] <Grace-VHL> ditto here Bob...

[21:06] <called_out-VHL> 10I could not wish God's spead to anyone that would murder babies.

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 5He and Gore have been called so good and moral balony

[21:06] <hope-VHL> 3AMEN BOB!!!!!

[21:06] <sis-VHL> I thought this was a bible study chat line not a political one.

[21:06] <light2-VHL> Which I believe our Lord makes us .........by His blood

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 5oh I should have made two sentences there

[21:07] <Jerry-VHL> For ye have not suffered unto blood

[21:07] <hope-VHL> 3AMEN Elias!

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 5I say balony

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> You guys may not know this, but a few years back I was a pro-life activist in Pennsylvania, the leader of a pro-life group

[21:07] <Grace-VHL> I can't even begin to imagine that a truely understanding Jewish person who truely knows the scirpture could in any way support pro-choice

[21:07] <hope-VHL> 3now a days it kind of gets mixed in, sis ;)

[21:07] <Jerry-VHL> Grace did you look up entrance in new testament

[21:07] <sis-VHL> 4balony to what?

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 5sis this is prophesy tonight

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 5but we do get other things mixed in

[21:07] <light2-VHL> Wow Bob you just might have made the top ten on the FBI list!!

[21:07] <Grace-VHL> whoops..hang on Jerry..did you get the def. for flee...?

[21:07] <called_out-VHL> 10Good for you Bob, that is one thing I would get involved in, and I am a little ole lady.

[21:07] <hope-VHL> 3I KNEW you were a coooool guy BOB!!!!

[21:07] <light2-VHL> :-)

[21:08] <Grace-VHL> What is the passage Jerry or a few buzz words at least...

[21:08] <Gran-VHL> 5As Stan has said we can't separate the two

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> LOL - I think I'm probably already there, light :)

[21:08] <sis-VHL> 4sorry my mistake, I'm ne at this.

[21:08] <Jerry-VHL> Yes, I need entrance

[21:08] <light2-VHL> Hope I make it!!

[21:08] <Grace-VHL> Whoa bob....

[21:08] <Grace-VHL> lol

[21:08] <Gran-VHL> 5sis I said balony to

[21:08] <Grace-VHL> give me a buzz word or two jerry..

[21:08] <Jerry-VHL> An entrance shall be made unto you

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[21:08] <Elias-VHL> 7that's ok sis we are al children being led by the Lord's mighty hand.....

[21:08] <hope-VHL> 3we're kind of living out prophecy in our daily life now.......:)

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Judy!

[21:08] <Gran-VHL> 5Gore amd Liberman being so very good and moral

[21:08] <light2-VHL> Just think they use to look for murderers,.........now that want the ones who want to save life

[21:09] <light2-VHL> They

[21:09] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Judy and sis and anyone else I missed

[21:09] <hope-VHL> 3Judy!!!! my wonderful friend ;)

[21:09] <Judy-VHL> Got your message Hope.....I'm here. Hi there Bob, and everyone!!

[21:09] <light2-VHL> Hey Judy!!

[21:09] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Judy :)

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> Hold on folks - I'm gonna go get a drink - don't stop chattin! :)

[21:09] <Gran-VHL> 5Judy shalom

[21:09] <Grace-VHL> 2 passages came up Jerry....coming, an entrance...

[21:09] <Jerry-VHL> Gran, did I miss something, you think Gore/Leiberman is the moral choice

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[21:09] <Judy-VHL> 65Hi all.........haven't seen any of you in a long time.

[21:10] <Grace-VHL> Shalom hope

[21:10] <sis-VHL> 4Hi Judy! Nothing like being slow on the response.

[21:10] <light2-VHL> How are you Judy??

[21:10] <Elias-VHL> 7Hi Judy....

[21:10] <Grace-VHL> Shalom Judy....

[21:10] <hope-VHL> 3NO WAY!!!! The MORAL CHOICE??????

[21:10] <michaelmg-VHL> do you think that whoever gets elected will still help bring about the events that have been prophaside

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 5not for me

[21:10] <Judy-VHL> 5Light......I'm doing fine.......just a bit tired this week.

[21:10] <hope-VHL> 3Shalom Grace

[21:10] <light2-VHL> I think Liebermans name, says it all...............LIE berman

[21:10] <Jerry-VHL> Whewwww..... I was worried Gran

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 5just quoteing somewhat what was said at the Demo convention

[21:10] <Grace-VHL> michaelmg...it's all moving that way no matter what...nothing shall hinder the fulness of the L-rds plan...

[21:10] <called_out-VHL> 10yeah Michaelmg, they won't have a choice....just be puppets in God's plan.

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 5light shalom

[21:11] <Perpetua-VHL> Whoever gets elected does so under the watchfull eye of God .. so if it is part of His plan yes they usher in prophecy

[21:11] <light2-VHL> Hi Gran

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 5Jerry you must keep up with the chat lines:)

[21:11] <Jerry-VHL> Grace, ref please either one,,,

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> That's a good point, Perpetua

[21:11] <hope-VHL> 3Oh, definitely Michael, there is NOOOOO stopping it now.......George Bush is just as eager to get this New World Order going as Gore.....but atleast Bush/Cheney are PRO-LIFE

[21:11] <light2-VHL> Amen to that Perpetua

[21:11] <Grace-VHL> I find it rather tactically manipulative of Gore to invite Lieberman to the ticket...

[21:11] <Judy-VHL> 5Just read a headline in one of the Detroit papers today.......Leiberman is committed to diversity......Oh, joy, joy!!!!

[21:11] <Jerry-VHL> Yeah right, that will be the day...

[21:12] <Grace-VHL> Jerry ..2 Peter 1:11

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 5thats a for sure GRace

[21:12] <light2-VHL> Look never before in history has everthing lined up so perfectly for prophecy

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> and said: "Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever; wisdom and power are his. (Daniel 2:20 NIV)He changes times and seasons; he sets up kings and deposes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning. (Daniel 2:21 NIV)

[21:12] <Elias-VHL> 7Has not the Lord God given power unto these things that be? for it is not of man but but the will of God that it is!

[21:12] <light2-VHL> Amen

[21:12] <Grace-VHL> The tactics of the politicians are not G-d's strategies...and no matter what they do they shall not overcome the King of Glory nor rule on his throne...

[21:12] <light2-VHL> If we do suffer , it will only be to help us learn to be obedient to God

[21:12] <Jerry-VHL> Yes Grace that's the one, I owe you... catch up with you in heaven

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Amen, Grace!

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[21:13] <light2-VHL> Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Sabra!

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> 5WE must always remember that God has HIS ways and they are not mans ways

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> 5and that HE will overcome in the end

[21:14] <light2-VHL> And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

[21:14] <Sabra-VHL> Thank you, Bob

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> That's right, Gran!

[21:14] <sis-VHL> 4We must pray that whatever is God's WILL will be, we must have faith.

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Are you in Israel, Sabra?

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 5but HE also has given us the power to overcome satan in our lives

[21:14] <light2-VHL> Heb 5:8-9

[21:14] <Jerry-VHL> God will raise up the humble and bring low those who are on High and arrogant

[21:14] <Sabra-VHL> NO

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 5Sabra shalom

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Yes, He will, Jerry

[21:14] <Sabra-VHL> Shalom

[21:14] <Grace-VHL> I believe G-d is the greatest politician right along with the Messiah but in the pure and just sense of the word...That is why the government of the world shall rest upon the shoulders of the Messiah....

[21:14] <Elias-VHL> 7our Lord has aready overcome in Christ Jesus our Lord, why does man talk in the future unless the battle still rages in ones life??

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Are you Israeli born, Sabra? :)

[21:14] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Sabra

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[21:15] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Grace

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> Hey, Elias, the battle still rages in me, every day

[21:15] <Grace-VHL> Amen Jerry...

[21:15] <Sabra-VHL> That is my birth name

[21:15] <Sabra-VHL> 6Shalom, Jerry

[21:15] <Jerry-VHL> God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. Done,

[21:15] <DoveCry-VHL> Hi

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> great name :)

[21:15] <Elias-VHL> 7Be at peace, for the battle before us is not our but the Lord!!

[21:15] <Judy-VHL> 5Just saw a program on the television in which they said that some countries are backing down a bit in their support of Arafat claiming a Palestinian State as of yet, EXCEPT 2 countries are pushing for the P. State very aggresively. They support Arafat 100%. They are Russia and China.....now isn't that interesting?

[21:15] <Sabra-VHL> 6Thanks

[21:15] <Grace-VHL> Beautiful name Sabra...

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5Dove dear friend shalom

[21:16] <Grace-VHL> Judy...very!

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> yes, it is, Judy, and I think is is more maneuvering than anything else

[21:16] <Jerry-VHL> Be still and know that He is God.

[21:16] <hope-VHL> 3Oh, great, Judy, the 2 biggest ones!

[21:16] <called_out-VHL> 10humm, Judy. :)

[21:16] <Judy-VHL> 5Hi Dove..........How are you?

[21:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Dove!

[21:16] <Sabra-VHL> 6Thank you. I was named after my great-great grandmother

[21:16] <DoveCry-VHL> hello friends, i love you

[21:16] <michaelmg-VHL> how close is isreal to going to war with the neighbors?

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[21:16] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Dove and any I missed

[21:16] <Judy-VHL> 5Yeah, the exact two countries that will move in on Israel.

[21:16] <called_out-VHL> 10China is to be feared most.

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5Arafat has decied to rethink the Sept date

[21:16] <light2-VHL> According to Hal Lindsey tonight he said Arafat said he will never never never back down

[21:16] <DoveCry-VHL> and i'm glad to be here again:-)

[21:17] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Dove

[21:17] <light2-VHL> Still plans on making state Sept 13

[21:17] <Elias-VHL> 7Yes, Jerry, thank you Lord, if we dwell on the Father and are One with the Son then the battles have already been WON. Amen.

[21:17] <Jerry-VHL> Michaelmg - It won't be long I believe

[21:17] <Gran-VHL> 5well according to the news he has already backed down

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> michael, it seems to me that it could easily happen, especially once Hezbollah starts acting up in Lebanon

[21:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And we are glad you are, Dove.

[21:17] <DoveCry-VHL> hi called

[21:17] <Sabra-VHL> 6Where do you think things will go from here?

[21:17] <hope-VHL> 3I think things are going to get UGLY really soon!

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> no, Arafat will not back down

[21:17] <Gran-VHL> 5the Palestiinings are now saying Nov. 15th

[21:17] <Judy-VHL> 5Gran, actually, this program said he said the Sept. date holds.

[21:17] <Sabra-VHL> 6What will Israel do?

[21:17] <hope-VHL> 3Hezbollah already started acting up in Jordan!

[21:17] <Judy-VHL> 5But who knows?

[21:17] <light2-VHL> And He has China kissing him on the face

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> yes, Gran, AFTER the US elections

[21:18] <Grace-VHL> Elias...Amen...Jerry...Amen....

[21:18] <hope-VHL> 3Before the end of this year, if there is no signing, there will most definitely be war!

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Israel will act very decisively if (or when) terrorists strike from Lebanon

[21:18] <michaelmg-VHL> what was the verse about damascus being completely destroyed?

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 5well according to the latest news from the PA the date has changed but then who can say what a murderer will say and then do

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Isa 17, Michael

[21:18] <Jerry-VHL> That day shall not take us unaware, as though we are ignorant as the world will look onin terror and their hearts will fail

[21:18] <light2-VHL> They can hardly wait to use the digital angel on us all

[21:18] <Elias-VHL> 7did you say your name was HOPE.... sorry hahahaha....

[21:18] <michaelmg-VHL> ty bob

[21:19] <Grace-VHL> Did anyone hear today that travel advisory's have been issued concerning those who want to visit Israel?

[21:19] <Judy-VHL> 5True Gran........Arafat doesn't deal in truth anyway!

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[21:19] <hope-VHL> 3LOL....Elias ;)]

[21:19] <light2-VHL> It is going to be used in alcoholic bev sales and all retail etc

[21:19] <Jerry-VHL> Yes I heard Grace.

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> I personally think Hezbollah is being quiet now because....

[21:19] <hope-VHL> 3JESUS is our ONLY HOPE

[21:19] <Elias-VHL> 7:-)

[21:19] <Jerry-VHL> I did not get details..

[21:19] <Grace-VHL> Jerry..but we are girded by the strength of the L_rd and shall find refuge in Him

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 5so far that sure has been true Judy

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> they are busy training Palestinians in Lebanon to attack Israel

[21:19] <Elias-VHL> 7Yes.... He is Hope and our life of hope....

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> waiting for the opportune time

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 5Judy where do you live just wondering as I know a Judy

[21:20] <Sabra-VHL> 6That is true

[21:20] <Judy-VHL> 5 20 miles south of Detroit

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 5oh good not the one I know

[21:20] <Jerry-VHL> Is anyone in this room from Israel?

[21:20] <Grace-VHL> men's hearts failing them for fear of those things they see coming on the face of the earth...

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> probably not Jerry - it's about 4 AM there

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 5not me Jerry just wish i was there

[21:21] <light2-VHL> My heart wants to acted up, but the Lord is keeping me ............. for sure

[21:21] <Jerry-VHL> OH

[21:21] <Grace-VHL> But we who look to the L-rd shall be kept safe . He is our refuge..Let us never forget this..

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> hey folks - I'm going in October :)

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> 5Grace also the things from Heaven

[21:21] <Elias-VHL> 7 11:21 here in Australia

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> to Israel :)

[21:21] <light2-VHL> Amen Grace

[21:21] <Perpetua-VHL> First time Bob?

[21:21] <light2-VHL> He is our strong tower and our defense, He is our habitation

[21:21] <hope-VHL> 3You know most people you mention these Millennium Summit meetings coming up.....it doesn't even ring a bell!!!! even Christians....I feel like screaming WAKE UP!!!

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> 5bob take a second look for me

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> yes, first time

[21:21] <Judy-VHL> 5Elias......11:21 am, right? Friday?

[21:21] <Grace-VHL> Bob....ok...I have my trunk ready....now...do you accept stowaways?

[21:21] <Jerry-VHL> Like on who has found a pearl of great value, they would sell all that they owned to possess it.

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> LOL Grace

[21:22] <light2-VHL> Hope you have to pray them awake

[21:22] <Elias-VHL> 7Yep and yep!

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5i wish I could go in your suitcase or overhead

[21:22] <Perpetua-VHL> Will you go if there is a war going on?

[21:22] <light2-VHL> Bob are you still going to Israel??

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> the tickets were $750 - I got them on priceline

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> yes

[21:22] <hope-VHL> 3COOOOOOL BOB!!!!! Have a wonderful trip.......and be careful ;)

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> yes

[21:22] <Elias-VHL> 7it is good to be in the future with the Lord. Amen.

[21:22] <Judy-VHL> 5Amen......Hopester.............Christians are lukewarm......a lot of them. Not in the know.

[21:22] <Grace-VHL> Elias...are you going too?

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> so... we can have prophecy chat from Israel the first week of October :)

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5Grace you can get in a wheel well

[21:22] <Elias-VHL> 7No.... it is only the first part of the day.....

[21:22] <Grace-VHL> Let us set our affection on things above and not the things of the Earth...

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5but ou might freeze

[21:22] <hope-VHL> 3You're a BRAVE one Bob!

[21:22] <Sabra-VHL> 6Shalom Everybody. I have to go.

[21:22] <light2-VHL> Amen Grace

[21:23] <Jerry-VHL> Bob are you coming back

[21:23] <Grace-VHL> Gran...what's a wheel well...

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> LOL Jerry - yeah

[21:23] <light2-VHL> Hope you took the words out of my mouth

[21:23] <hope-VHL> 3I pass on visiting my husbands family in Jordan, anytime soon!

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 5hey Bob that would be great as you will on the scene

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[21:23] <hope-VHL> 3LOL Jerry!

[21:23] <Grace-VHL> Bob...you get everything at a discount...a wise man you are....

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> brave? not brave, it's not dangerous

[21:23] <Jerry-VHL> blessing Sabra

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 5the place that the airplane wheels are Grace

[21:23] <light2-VHL> Actually I just keep thinking how the Lord told us to stay out of there when it was surrounded with armies

[21:23] <Jerry-VHL> I wasn't joking

[21:23] <light2-VHL> And it is definitely surrounded now

[21:24] <Grace-VHL> Gran...Does anyone own a boat here...I will go by boat....

[21:24] <hope-VHL> 3what, are you nuts!!! Of course it's dangerous

[21:24] <Elias-VHL> 7that is where you puit down a bucket and pull up a fresh wheel....

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> No, it's not surrounded by armies now

[21:24] <Elias-VHL> 7will be soon....

[21:24] <called_out-VHL> 1040,000 arab troops.

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> no, it's not! ask Stan

[21:24] <Grace-VHL> Elias...Are you going to Israel too?

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 5hope I am not muich on boats can't swim

[21:24] <DoveCry-VHL> HI... Bob:-) I know you probably said hi to me , but i missed it, So Hi again friend:-)

[21:24] <light2-VHL> Oh really , Bob you better read the papers

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Hi Dove!!! Great to have you!!

[21:24] <light2-VHL> Un is in Lebenon

[21:24] <called_out-VHL> 10I did ask Stan, he said I would be ok if I have an oozie in my purse.

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[21:24] <hope-VHL> 3try Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt.........all looking at Israel like a hungry wolf looks at a lamb!

[21:25] <Elias-VHL> 7I am already with the Father in His kingdom and His Holy city on a high mountain in the clouds.....

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> you guys!!!!!! :)

[21:25] <called_out-VHL> 10lol

[21:25] <light2-VHL> you have Syria and all Iran,,, come on who is for Israel at this time,,,,,,,

[21:25] <Grace-VHL> Bob...are you going to be in Israel for the feast of Tabernacles?

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> 5called it is Uzee i think

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Will be there for Yom Kippor

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[21:25] <called_out-VHL> 10thanks Gran, I don't know much about mob guns. lol :)

[21:25] <hope-VHL> 3Bob, Jerry asked if you were coming back? You are right?

[21:25] <Grace-VHL> Elias...then move over cause I am going to share that cloud...

[21:25] <hope-VHL> 3God willing of course

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Yes, that's the plan

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob I still hope you do a chat from Isreal

[21:25] <Judy-VHL> 5Well, there are Arab troops though on the border right? I mean Syria has been positioned for quite some time. Am I right?

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> will be there Oct 1-9

[21:26] <light2-VHL> I find it interesting that so many practically free tickets are being offered on internet to young America Israelies to go there now

[21:26] <hope-VHL> 3YES Judy!

[21:26] <DoveCry-VHL> I'm so happy you are going, Say a prayer for me when you get there, ok?:-)

[21:26] <Grace-VHL> bob....what a blessing..please pray that I am not totally green by morning....

[21:26] <light2-VHL> UN less it could be a trap to kill them all once they get there when war breaks out

[21:26] <Elias-VHL> 7there is room for all who love the Lord and have given all for our Saviour, who dwell on the Lord and pray to live every second in His grace....

[21:26] <Grace-VHL> That would be awesome Bob...

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> I'll talk to you all from there in this chat room, God willing

[21:26] <hope-VHL> 3Great! ;)

[21:26] <sis-VHL> 4God's Blessings Friends and Good Night!

[21:26] <DoveCry-VHL> I'm sorry I forgot to put your name on my remark. "Bob"

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> listen, it's easy - just get a passport, and some tickets, and voila!

[21:26] <Elias-VHL> 7Night sis...

[21:27] <called_out-VHL> 10good night Sis :)

[21:27] <Jerry-VHL> Israel, or I should say Jerusalem will be the safest place when the armies attack. It will be the world that will fall into chaos, Jerusalem will at that time be redeemed

[21:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night, Sis

[21:27] <hope-VHL> 3Good night Sis! ;)

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 5god bless you sis come back

[21:27] <light2-VHL> I dont trust our government or any other one to do any thing special for Israel,,

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> Night Sis!

[21:27] <Judy-VHL> 5God bless sis.

[21:27] <Grace-VHL> Amen Jerry...You have that straight...

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 5so right light

[21:27] <Jerry-VHL> blessing Sis

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[21:27] <light2-VHL> Jerry where then is Armageddon???

[21:27] <Elias-VHL> 7What Bob, what ticket and a passport make music?? or a flower??

[21:27] <Grace-VHL> Does anyone know how long it would take to get to Israel by boat with the starting point being the New York Harbor?

[21:27] <light2-VHL> That has to happen long before anything else

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 5not in Jerusalem light

[21:28] <hope-VHL> 3Personally, I want to wait until Jesus comes to rule! I'll feel safer :)

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> Light, we are not at that time yet

[21:28] <Jerry-VHL> Same time

[21:28] <DoveCry-VHL> nite sis Zzzz :-)

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> by boat!!!!! :)

[21:28] <light2-VHL> Bob how do you know??

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> 5it is the valley of Hinem

[21:28] <Judy-VHL> 5All of Jerusalem redeemed...........only those who come to Christ.

[21:28] <called_out-VHL> 10paddle boat or sail boat.

[21:28] <Judy-VHL> 5?

[21:28] <Grace-VHL> Elias...I don't want to pry but do you live in the United States?

[21:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2We transited in 12 days from Panama Canal to Beirut....but that was at 20 knots, Grace.

[21:28] <hope-VHL> 3how do you know what BOB?

[21:29] <Grace-VHL> Bezalel...how fast is 20 knots?

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> I know that we are not at the time when Jerusalem is "surrounded by armies" in the sense of the prophecy

[21:29] <Elias-VHL> 7No.... AUSTRALIA..... the land of the southern cross. Amen.

[21:29] <light2-VHL> God is going to call all nations together for the last battle.......... could be sometime real soon

[21:29] <Gran-VHL> 5lilght when the LORD comes with HIS army then armaggedem

[21:29] <Jerry-VHL> For when ye shall see these things look up for your redemption draweth night

[21:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Quite fast, for a battleship....

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> yes, could be, but other things must happen first as we mentioned earlier - the first seals, for instance

[21:29] <Gran-VHL> 5after everything else that is when the anti chist will be shut up for a thousand years

[21:29] <DoveCry-VHL> when is the big day Bob?

[21:29] <Elias-VHL> 7Bob in this day and gae of deployment, yes they are surrounded.....

[21:30] <Grace-VHL> Bezalel...so you were in the service Yes?

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> my wife and I are going October 1-10

[21:30] <Jerry-VHL> Remember a snare happens very quickly almost without obsevation

[21:30] <light2-VHL> Amen Elias........... who knows how many nuclear war heads are aimed there

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> ok - you guys be fraidy-cats and stay - I'm gonna go :)

[21:30] <Grace-VHL> Yes, like an animal just moving through the forest..not suspecting but boom...

[21:30] <light2-VHL> Amen Jerry

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[21:30] <called_out-VHL> 10Bob, if I had the chance I would go to Israel...in a heart beat, I would take the chance.

[21:30] <Elias-VHL> 7AAAhhhhhhh......

[21:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm retired U.S. Navy, Grace.

[21:31] <DoveCry-VHL> I'm really glad for you:-)

[21:31] <hope-VHL> 3LOL!

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[21:31] <Grace-VHL> Bezalel...well thank-you sir for all your service...I mean that!

[21:31] <light2-VHL> And no one is going to recognize the snare either Jerry,,,,,,,,,, except the ones informed by the Lord

[21:31] <Perpetua-VHL> Bob I am proud of you and I would go in a heart beat

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> ok - shall we move on to Isaiah 25?

[21:31] <Gran-VHL> 5me too Bob

[21:31] <light2-VHL> By Bob it was nice knowing you

[21:31] <Jerry-VHL> Remember the Anti Christ will be revealed simultaneously with Christ returen

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> LOL Light

[21:31] <light2-VHL> :->

[21:31] <hope-VHL> 3HEY everyone.....for all of you that live near Orlando Florida.......There is a Parousia Conference coming up Sept 14-16

[21:31] <Gran-VHL> 5that is the place I have always wanted to go

[21:31] <Jerry-VHL> true light

[21:31] <Grace-VHL> Bob...like I said....I provide the trunk...you accept me as a stow-away...

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> ...... which Hope and I are going to, God willing

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[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Grandma!

[21:32] <hope-VHL> 3well, Bob is going with his wife ;)

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> Well, yes :)

[21:32] <Grace-VHL> Bezalel...Thank -You....

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> 5Gandma shalom

[21:32] <Jerry-VHL> Hope forgive my ignorance, but what is a Parousia conference

[21:32] <hope-VHL> 3LOL

[21:32] <Perpetua-VHL> Parousia???

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> "parousia" is the greek word...

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> for "coming" or "presence"

[21:32] <light2-VHL> Parousia is nother word for the Lords appearing

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> often used in the NT to speak of Jesus return

[21:33] <called_out-VHL> 10wow

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 5Grace are you by any chance a Messianic Jew???

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> it's a prophecy conference, in other words

[21:33] <Jerry-VHL> Wow, Are they Israel informed

[21:33] <Perpetua-VHL> Who is sponsoring the conference?

[21:33] <called_out-VHL> 10That should be really inspiring

[21:33] <Grandma-VHL> Hello...This is new to me . Never been in a chay rom. Hope ya don't mind if I listen a lttle...

[21:33] <Bezalel-VHL> 2O LORD, you are my God; I will exalt you and praise your name, for in perfect faithfulness you have done marvelous things, things planned long ago. Isa 25:1

[21:33] <hope-VHL> 3you can get information at either http://www.signministries.org/ or at http://www.zionshope.org

[21:33] <Grace-VHL> Gran..Yes...well more like a mischling to be exact..

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> You are very welcome to do that, Grandma!

[21:33] <light2-VHL> Amen Bez

[21:33] <called_out-VHL> 10glad to have you Grandma :)

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 5Grand ma we have all been new once:)

[21:33] <hope-VHL> 3WELCOME Grandma! ;)

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> we are glad you dropped in, Grandma! Hopefully you will find it inspiring!

[21:34] <Elias-VHL> 7Hi grandma.....

[21:34] <Judy-VHL> 5Hi Grandma.......glad you are here and when you have a comment.....feel free to share it.

[21:34] <Gran-VHL> 5mischling???

[21:34] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Grandman, I was a newbie once to, my typing has improved

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> OK, class - let's go to Isaiah 25 :)

[21:34] <called_out-VHL> 10OK

[21:34] <Grace-VHL> Gran... meaning I have both Jew and Gentile blood so to speak..

[21:34] <DoveCry-VHL> Crying.. Yes! Bez. Is. 25:1 in my heart...

[21:34] <Gran-VHL> 5Jerry look at what you just wrote:)

[21:34] <michaelmg-VHL> sure

[21:34] <hope-VHL> 3Marv Rosenthal, a Jewish Believer, Perpetua.......he is the one that is building The Holy Land Experience in Orlando

[21:34] <hope-VHL> 3GRAND opening Feb...of 2001

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> First a review from a few weeks ago, to give some context....

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[21:35] <Jerry-VHL> I hear my crew coming home now which will make continued conversation difficult so I will bid all abundant blessings

[21:35] <Grandma-VHL> Thank you...My typing stinks and I work in the data department...HAHa

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> does anyone recall what Isaiah 24 talked about?

[21:35] <Grace-VHL> lol jerry....

[21:35] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Jerry

[21:35] <Gran-VHL> 5oh he is pre wrath

[21:35] <Judy-VHL> 5Goodnight Jerry

[21:35] <called_out-VHL> 10bye Jerry

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> Bye, Jerry, God bless

[21:35] <Grace-VHL> are you leaving Jerry?

[21:35] <light2-VHL> God Bless Jerry

[21:35] <Perpetua-VHL> Later Jerry

[21:35] <Elias-VHL> 7Night Jerry...

[21:35] <hope-VHL> 3the devastation of the earth?

[21:35] <Jerry-VHL> I am distracted at the moment. Oh well we live and laugh a

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> "He is pre wrath" - sounds like someone about to have a temper tantrum

[21:35] <hope-VHL> 3by the Lord

[21:36] <Elias-VHL> 7hahahaha

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> very good, Hope!!!!

[21:36] <Grace-VHL> Jerry....were you saying goodnite for yourself or to someone...

[21:36] <light2-VHL> Isa 24 Gods Judgement on the earth

[21:36] <Grandma-VHL> Is Gran from Ga.?

[21:36] <Jerry-VHL> Yes Grace catch ya later

[21:36] <Grace-VHL> okie....

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> You get five gold stars! :)

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[21:36] <Gran-VHL> 5God will destroy the eveil nations

[21:36] <hope-VHL> 3Gran, you just said a little while ago that you agree that the Lord's wrath doesn't start until the sixth seal.....that is EXACTLY what they believe too

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> ok - so that gives us some context - Isaiah 25 is in a sense the aftermath of all this - so lets look at selected portions

[21:37] <light2-VHL> Hope who is they??

[21:37] <Gran-VHL> 5and will be a refuge for the poor

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> O LORD, you are my God; I will exalt you and praise your name, for in perfect faithfulness you have done marvelous things, things planned long ago. (Isaiah 25:1 NIV)

[21:37] <Gran-VHL> 5and much more

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> Isaiah, having seen all these things....

[21:37] <Gran-VHL> 5yes just not pre trib

[21:37] <hope-VHL> 3Well, I have my Bible in front of me.....I'm not that good ;)

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> praises God for what He has done on the earth

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> You have made the city a heap of rubble, the fortified town a ruin, the foreigners' stronghold a city no more; it will never be rebuilt. (Isaiah 25:2 NIV)

[21:38] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Is that Babylon, Bob?

[21:38] <hope-VHL> 3Light, Zions Hope....the people that are hosting the Parousia conference

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> He's looking back at God's devastions on the earth...

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> and praising God for His marvelous works (see Psalm 46)

[21:38] <light2-VHL> Verse 7 of 25 is talking about the veil being removed by our Lord

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[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Babylon, Bez, in the sense....

[21:39] <DoveCry-VHL> Sorry friends, I must go, I am tired and cranky. please just keep me in prayer, and check out Share Your Burdon when you get the chance... I Love you all. Bye!

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> that Babylon symbolizes the political and religious power systems of the earth, yes

[21:39] <hope-VHL> 3bye Dove

[21:39] <hope-VHL> 3;)

[21:39] <Judy-VHL> 5Goodbye Dovecry

[21:39] <light2-VHL> God Bless you Dove cry

[21:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Love you too, Dove...keeping you high on the Prayer List.

[21:39] <DoveCry-VHL> :-(

[21:40] <Grace-VHL> On the forums Dovecry?

[21:40] <called_out-VHL> 10Bye Dove ;-)

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[21:40] <Perpetua-VHL> How do you know that? Where does it reference the systems? (not challenging just curious)

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[21:40] <Grace-VHL> Shalom and love in the Glory of Love ....

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> You have been a refuge for the poor, a refuge for the needy in his distress, a shelter from the storm and a shade from the heat. For the breath of the ruthless is like a storm driving against a wall (Isaiah 25:4 NIV)

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> and like the heat of the desert. You silence the uproar of foreigners; as heat is reduced by the shadow of a cloud, so the song of the ruthless is stilled. (Isaiah 25:5 NIV)

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[21:40] <Rich-VHL> 7Hello everyone

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[21:40] <hope-VHL> 3hi Rich

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Perpetua, Isaiah 13 speaks of babylon in that sense, as does Revelation

[21:41] <Perpetua-VHL> Hi rich

[21:41] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Rich :)

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[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7how are you Hope

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Isaiah 25 does not mention Babylon specifically

[21:41] <light2-VHL> Hi Rich

[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7hi called

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Rich

[21:41] <called_out-VHL> 10:)

[21:41] <hope-VHL> 3Great! thanks

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> You have been a refuge for the poor, a refuge for the needy in his distress, a shelter from the storm and a shade from the heat. For the breath of the ruthless is like a storm driving against a wall (Isaiah 25:4 NIV)

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> and like the heat of the desert. You silence the uproar of foreigners; as heat is reduced by the shadow of a cloud, so the song of the ruthless is stilled. (Isaiah 25:5 NIV)

[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7hi light

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> Look at verses 4 and 5

[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Bob

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> I think this is relevant to what we were talking about earlier - the future persecution of people who will not take the "mark"

[21:42] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Lord serves as a "hedge" against the evil?

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> dpe anyone see it?

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> does

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> God will be a

[21:42] <called_out-VHL> 10yeah

[21:43] <hope-VHL> 3I'm lost :(

[21:43] <light2-VHL> Bob could it not also refer to all those who have suffered in ages past for Christ ??

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> refuge for those who stay true to Him

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[21:43] <VCI-Bob> yes, that also, light

[21:43] <light2-VHL> Because He has always been our refuge

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> right

[21:43] <called_out-VHL> 10scripture is almost always two layers.

[21:43] <Grace-VHL> Yes...it will happen..

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> Hope, can we help?

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> the "ruthless" in v 5 is the antichrist and his many followers

[21:44] <light2-VHL> Hope we are looking at Isaiah chap 25 vs 4,5

[21:44] <Rich-VHL> 7I think we will also be thrown to the lions just as were our predecesors in Christ Bob

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> yes, Rich, or perhaps a more high tech lion, but yes

[21:45] <hope-VHL> 3Ok, I get it......I'm a little slow tonight!

[21:45] <Elias-VHL> 7Yes Rich..... to show the stand we have for our Lord...

[21:45] <light2-VHL> Well they can't do much to us, except kill the body

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> right!

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 7why will we be any than they were

[21:45] <Perpetua-VHL> It is difficult for new believers to read these passages and understand the cross references, the two layers. and the time frame of the writing. Any suggestions? Cause I'm REALLY lost.:-O

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> ok - Perpetua - how can we help? :)

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[21:46] <Grace-VHL> Bob...High Tech Lion...explain if you would

[21:46] <Elias-VHL> 7Seek the Lord your God for He is the Master Teacher....

[21:46] <Perpetua-VHL> Labotomy? LOL

[21:46] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[21:46] <hope-VHL> 3You were comparing this to the "mark" Bob......

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> LOL - Grace, I just meant a more modern way of executions

[21:46] <Gran-VHL> 5back my server disconnected me <s>

[21:46] <Grace-VHL> Elias...amen....

[21:46] <michaelmg-VHL> i have to go, enjoyed it

[21:46] <Gran-VHL> 5Grandma yes I am in GA

[21:46] <Grace-VHL> Bob...what would some of them be?

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> See ya Michael - Shalom

[21:47] <Elias-VHL> 7If we ask in our hearts for the Lord to show us what we need to see in His will for us then He answers those with a genuine heart....

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> I don't know, Grace

[21:47] <light2-VHL> Perpetua, it just takes the Lord to show you these things

[21:47] <michaelmg-VHL> bye all

[21:47] <hope-VHL> 3Goodnight Michael, God Bless you

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[21:47] <Grace-VHL> Elias...Yes, that is very very true....

[21:47] <called_out-VHL> 10bye Michael

[21:47] <Perpetua-VHL> I think I try to do things too much on my own still

[21:47] <called_out-VHL> 10there's help here Perpetua

[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 7by micha

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Well, Perpetua, some things just take time.... as you see the bigger picture in the Scriptures...

[21:47] <light2-VHL> bye michael, God Bless

[21:48] <Judy-VHL> 5Speaking of executions........Listened to a documentary and a man was talking about the guillotine as the most efficient method.....they are bringing it back. Hmmmm.

[21:48] <Elias-VHL> 7That is what we have to give up.... self.... we are nothing without the Lord for He has mercy upon us because He remembers that we are but dust....

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> you start to see how it fits together more - which is why we need ot be reading the Word a lot

[21:48] <Grace-VHL> WE grow in grace Perpetua..

[21:48] <Grace-VHL> Amen Bob..and Amen!

[21:48] <light2-VHL> God will not allow us to suffer or be temped above what He will enable us to bear

[21:48] <Gran-VHL> 5Judy where are they bringing it back

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[21:48] <hope-VHL> 3who is bringing it back Judy.....

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> ok - any more on v 4 and 5?

[21:48] <Grace-VHL> Amen lilght...

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> if not, lets move on....

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Jamere!

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> We are in Isaiah 25

[21:49] <jamere-VHL> hello Bob

[21:49] <Grace-VHL> ok...

[21:49] <Judy-VHL> 5Not sure.....I heard this about 6 months ago. I really don't know the countries....sorry.

[21:49] <light2-VHL> Well Judy I just hope its nice and sharp!!!

[21:49] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Jamerel

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Now verses 6 - 9 are VERY CLEAR:

[21:49] <jamere-VHL> Hi RIch

[21:49] <Grace-VHL> Shalom Jamere!

[21:49] <Judy-VHL> 5Amen, Light.......LOL

[21:49] <light2-VHL> That would be the best, and quickest

[21:49] <jamere-VHL> What are we talking about

[21:49] <jamere-VHL> Hi Grace

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> On this mountain the LORD Almighty will prepare a feast of rich food for all peoples, a banquet of aged wine-- the best of meats and the finest of wines. (Isaiah 25:6 NIV)

[21:49] <hope-VHL> 3LOL

[21:50] <light2-VHL> Isaiah 25 4,5,6

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> the Marriage Feast - the victory banquet!!!!

[21:50] <hope-VHL> 3CAN you imagine a FEAST prepared by our Lord?

[21:50] <jamere-VHL> I bet the food will taste good

[21:50] <Grace-VHL> Awesome passages here Bob...alot of meat.....

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Yes, and HE will be serving! I cannot imagine!

[21:50] <light2-VHL> Bob to me that represents what Christ gives to us when we sup with him here on earth

[21:50] <jamere-VHL> That is so cool

[21:50] <Elias-VHL> 7Bob why do you use the NIV version???

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> And look where it takes place - not in heaven during the trib....

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> but on earth, afterwards!

[21:51] <hope-VHL> 3preference

[21:51] <light2-VHL> He is feasting with us now , when we let him

[21:51] <Grace-VHL> And we shall see that truely the kingdom has come and that the L-rd's will is being done on earth as it is in heaven...

[21:51] <Rich-VHL> 7to be a servant is the greatest way to show love to someone

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> preference, Elias, and no lectures about the KJV, please

[21:51] <hope-VHL> 3GOOD point BOB!!!!

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Amen, Grace!!!

[21:51] <Elias-VHL> 7Can you just look up in the NIV Isaiah14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

[21:52] <light2-VHL> Its ok Bob, I don't care much for NIV either but we can always post ASV or KJV too

[21:52] <called_out-VHL> 10We shall see Him not through a glass darkly, but Face to Face

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Elias, we are looking at chapter 25 now

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> yes, Light :)

[21:52] <Elias-VHL> 7DO you not want to see the TRUTH??

[21:52] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Elias

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> ok - let's look at v 7 and 8

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> this will be very familiar

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> On this mountain he will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations; (Isaiah 25:7 NIV)

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth. The LORD has spoken. (Isaiah 25:8 NIV)

[21:53] <Elias-VHL> 7as a familiar spirit....

[21:53] <light2-VHL> Elias the only true version of Scripture is the original Greek so we know we are only working with translations

[21:53] <light2-VHL> Sorry and hebrew

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> OK Elias, that's it - you are outta here

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[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Incense

[21:54] <incense11> ty Bob...

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Any comments on v 7 & 8?

[21:54] <incense11> awh...that problem is here again

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> what is the "shroud" - the "sheet"?

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> that Jesus will destroy?

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Death?

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez!!!!

[21:55] <incense11> v7 and 8 of where

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That's what had me thinking it was the first coming of Jesus.

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> the awful shroud that has been hanging over the nations for ages

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> the curse of death

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Incense, Isa 25

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Jesus will do away with it

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> these verses are heavily quoted in the NT

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 75that shroud, is it satan Bob

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> by Paul, John

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> no, Rich, it's death

[21:56] <light2-VHL> Yes somewhere I was looking for NT scripture that says when the heart turns to the Lord the veil is removed

[21:56] <Grace-VHL> Jesus has swallowed up death in victory....

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> like a dark curtain that hangs over the earth - over each person's existence

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 5oh ok

[21:57] <called_out-VHL> 10That old shroud has visited many homes

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> yes, called

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> and.... "The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth."

[21:57] <called_out-VHL> 10amen

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> this speaks of the final vindication of His servants

[21:57] <Rich-VHL> 5almost all the homes that have ever existed called

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> of those who confessed Jesus as King

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> and stayed true to Him, despite the disgrace

[21:58] <called_out-VHL> 10right Rich, painful, painful visits.

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> And the next verse.....

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> quotes US!! :) what WE will be saying in the future after He returns:

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> In that day they will say, "Surely this is our God; we trusted in him, and he saved us. This is the LORD, we trusted in him; let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation." (Isaiah 25:9 NIV)

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> Is this great, or what!!!

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[21:59] <hope-VHL> 3AWESOME!!!!!!

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Hello, Code1

[21:59] <Judy-VHL> 5Yes

[21:59] <called_out-VHL> 10:_

[21:59] <Gran-VHL> 5so great bob

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 5Amen Bob

[21:59] <Perpetua-VHL> WOW

[21:59] <Grace-VHL> Could it get much better....no way!!!!!!

[21:59] <Code1-VHL> Hello Bob. I finally made it here. You'll never guess who this is!

[21:59] <hope-VHL> 3I can't wait to say those words!

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Who, Code? Obviously someone I know :)

[22:00] <Rich-VHL> 57me neither hope

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> We are in Isaiah 25

[22:00] <Code1-VHL> Someone you've been conversing with yes.

[22:00] <Gran-VHL> 5amen hope

[22:00] <light2-VHL> :->

[22:00] <hope-VHL> 3WELCOME Code! :)

[22:00] <Code1-VHL> I just want to say that God is good. All of the time.

[22:00] <Judy-VHL> 5Oh, gee, don't we get to know?? LOL

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> yes, indeed! :)

[22:00] <Rich-VHL> 7hi code

[22:00] <Grace-VHL> ok..once the mystery person is unveiled I must bid everyone lila tov...

[22:00] <hope-VHL> 3LOL Judy

[22:00] <Gran-VHL> 5and yes all of the time God is good:)

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> See ya Grace :) Thanks for participating! :)

[22:01] <Code1-VHL> Tell me something, Rich. I know you're blessed brother.

[22:01] <light2-VHL> found it

[22:01] <light2-VHL> Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

[22:01] <incense11> lila tov Grace

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 7you do code

[22:01] <light2-VHL> 2 Cor 3:16

[22:01] <Code1-VHL> Thanks Hope. How are ya?

[22:01] <called_out-VHL> 10Bye Grace.

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> ok - shall we continue in Isaiah?

[22:01] <Grace-VHL> Shalom and blessing in the Messiah to all our Glory of Love..

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[22:02] <Perpetua-VHL> School early in the morning --gotta go

[22:02] <hope-VHL> 3Great! I guess I know you too

[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 7what do you want to know code

[22:02] <Gran-VHL> 5That veil is the blinding of their eyes by God

[22:02] <light2-VHL> But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

[22:02] <Code1-VHL> Just lingo for hello.

[22:02] <light2-VHL> Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

[22:02] <incense11> night perpetua

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[22:02] <light2-VHL> 2 Cor 3:15-17

[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 7well Hello and Hello code

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> There is more good stuff in chapter 26 :)

[22:03] <Code1-VHL> This is the first time I've been here. I've told Bob many, many times I would try to get here. Finally made it.

[22:03] <Gran-VHL> 5yes light

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> And we are glad you did! :) I know who you are :)

[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 7glad your here code

[22:04] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob a whole chapter about Jesus as HE reigns

[22:04] <Rich-VHL> 7this is a great place for fellowship and to gain knowledge of our Lord

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> In that day this song will be sung in the land of Judah: We have a strong city; God makes salvation its walls and ramparts. (Isaiah 26:1 NIV)

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Open the gates that the righteous nation may enter, the nation that keeps faith. (Isaiah 26:2 NIV)

[22:04] <called_out-VHL> 10Storming here, must sign off for now. Keep on Keeping on everyone!

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> More celebration verses!

[22:05] <Gran-VHL> 5bob I hope Grandma was not unhappy that I didn't answer her

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, called!

[22:05] <Judy-VHL> 5Bye called

[22:05] <Gran-VHL> 5she left while I was out

[22:05] <light2-VHL> God Bless called out

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> That's ok, Gran

[22:05] <Code1-VHL> Amen. If Bob is running the sessions, this will be great. He has a wonderful calling on his life.

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 7see ya called

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[22:05] <hope-VHL> 3LOL

[22:05] <Gran-VHL> 5called God bless you dear

[22:05] <called_out-VHL> 10Bye all, God Bless you.

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[22:05] <Judy-VHL> 5Hello TRUTH

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> Look at verses 1 and 2 :)

[22:06] <hope-VHL> 3In HERE the Truth is NEVER rejected :)

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 7hi truth

[22:06] <Judy-VHL> 5Amen Hope

[22:06] <Code1-VHL> How long ya been saved, Rich?

[22:06] <TheTRUTH-rejected-VH> 7Hello Judy...... Yes it just was.... they didn't want to hear the TRUTH from the Lord and it was kicked out.....

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[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 7about 12 years now code

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> And he was again :)

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> OK - let's continue please

[22:07] <Gran-VHL> 5good Bob

[22:07] <Rich-VHL> 7how about you code

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> these 2 are very familiar:

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> You will keep in perfect peace him whose mind is steadfast, because he trusts in you. (Isaiah 26:3 NIV)

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD, the LORD, is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4 NIV)

[22:07] <Code1-VHL> I'm following you, Bob. Rich, do you ever get into any other rooms besides Christian ones? That's where the real test is.

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> Good principles to live by

[22:08] <hope-VHL> 3I hate to tell you this TRUTH, but truth was NEVER sent out of here!

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> how to have peace in this world

[22:08] <Code1-VHL> Amen, Bob. The Lord is that eternal Rock.

[22:08] <Rich-VHL> 7no code I don't think I could handle it

[22:08] <Code1-VHL> I have been saved since 1992, Rich.

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> He is our Rock - and we can be stabilized if we rest on Him

[22:09] <Gran-VHL> 5Code I beieve that one must have a call on theri life to exsist for very long in some of them

[22:09] <Code1-VHL> It's a real challenge to go into rooms where He is not. You must be under the anointing to do that.

[22:09] <Judy-VHL> 5I agree Bob........

[22:09] <Rich-VHL> 7although I wouldn't mind trying it sometime code

[22:09] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Code thats a for sure

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> He humbles those who dwell on high, he lays the lofty city low; he levels it to the ground and casts it down to the dust. (Isaiah 26:5 NIV)

[22:09] <Code1-VHL> Amen Gran. The calling must be there.

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> This echoes the words of Jesus - that the humble will be exalted, and the exalted will be humbled

[22:10] <Gran-VHL> 5there is one that compuserve has that just did me in

[22:10] <Gran-VHL> 5couldn't handle it

[22:10] <Code1-VHL> Yes, Bob. It is through the humbling that we find our strength in the Almighty.

[22:10] <hope-VHL> 3humbling thought, huh?

[22:10] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Bob that is surely true

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[22:10] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen code

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> the "lofty city" Bez - is once again, symbolic Babylon - the power structures of the world in opposition to King Jesus

[22:10] <Code1-VHL> Try it sometimes, Rich.

[22:11] <Rich-VHL> 7I might just do that codfe

[22:11] <Debi-VHL> 12Hi Room

[22:11] <Rich-VHL> 7code

[22:11] <incense11> Hi Debi

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> and here is a promise!

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> The path of the righteous is level; O upright One, you make the way of the righteous smooth. (Isaiah 26:7 NIV)

[22:11] <Rich-VHL> 7Hello Debi

[22:11] <Code1-VHL> I go into the gay chat rooms, Muslim, Buddhist, and the XXX

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Debi!!

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> notice it does not say "easy" but level and smooth

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> it's when we disobey that we introduce many more difficulties into our lives

[22:12] <Rich-VHL> 7that is a noble task code

[22:12] <Gran-VHL> 5Debi shalom

[22:12] <Code1-VHL> It's a real challenge. I get cursed at quite a bit.

[22:12] <Gran-VHL> 5seeker you also

[22:12] <Debi-VHL> 12I have an announcement, this Sunday, August 20th, Rabbi Solomon a Messianic Rabbi is coming to our church to speak on Israel and Prophecy. He will also teach us later that nigth about the Sader Supper.

[22:13] <Gran-VHL> 5several of you came in while i was out shalom to you all

[22:13] <Code1-VHL> But, by the time I'm finished, there's calm in the room because I don't give back eveil for evil.

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> And the next several verses I really like - they speak of our hearts today

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> Great, Debi!

[22:13] <Rich-VHL> 7that doesn't bother you much though code I can tell

[22:13] <Gran-VHL> 5thats great Debi where are you??

[22:13] <hope-VHL> 3that sounds wonderful Debi!

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> verses 8-11 is us speaking to the Lord NOW

[22:13] <Rich-VHL> 7that is the way to do it code

[22:14] <Code1-VHL> The battle belongs to the Lord. All we're to do is stand. It is He who will fight. God is a man of war.

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Yes, LORD, walking in the way of your laws, we wait for you; your name and renown are the desire of our hearts. (Isaiah 26:8 NIV)

[22:14] <Debi-VHL> 12I live in Sharpsburg, Georgia. I searched and prayed for a church and the Lord found me one. A church who is in tune with the importance with what is happening in Israel.

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> This is the desire of all who love Jesus

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> waiting for Him, waiting for His name to be glorified in all the earth, that His renown will be accomplished everywhere

[22:14] <Code1-VHL> Amen Bob. He is our Rock, our Fortress, our High Tower. Glory to His exalted name forever and ever.

[22:14] <Gran-VHL> 5I Live in Ga also above Atlanta in the mountains almost

[22:15] <light2-VHL> Amen and verse 12 is very important

[22:15] <Debi-VHL> 12Where at Gran?

[22:15] <Gran-VHL> 5I don't know where Sharpsburg is

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen and Amen code

[22:15] <Gran-VHL> 5dawsonville

[22:15] <light2-VHL> He is the one who has done all our works in us.......... so He will recieve the glory

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> v 9 and 10 are very important

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> My soul yearns for you in the night; in the morning my spirit longs for you. When your judgments come upon the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness. (Isaiah 26:9 NIV)

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Though grace is shown to the wicked, they do not learn righteousness; even in a land of uprightness they go on doing evil and regard not the majesty of the LORD. (Isaiah 26:10 NIV)

[22:15] <Code1-VHL> Well, Rich. I just go where I'm sent. Sometimes, many times, it's not pleasant.

[22:15] <Debi-VHL> 12Gran, 30 miles SW of Atlanta, near Newnan

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> We long for Him to return

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> We long for the day when His greatness will be seen in the earth

[22:16] <Gran-VHL> 5up 400 from Atlanta

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> when, through His judgments, all the nations begin to understand His glory and majesty

[22:16] <hope-VHL> 3AMEN AMEN BOB

[22:16] <Rich-VHL> 7and the Holy Spirit is with you all the time code

[22:16] <light2-VHL> He is with us right now though, as much of Him as you want to have of Him

[22:16] <Gran-VHL> 5oh I have freiends in Newnan

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> v 10 speaks of today - even though GREAT GRACE is shown to them now.....

[22:16] <light2-VHL> And He never forsakes us

[22:16] <Code1-VHL> And, if we don't speak of His glory and majesty, the rocks will cry out. Ain't no rock gonna cry out in my place. Amen?

[22:16] <Gran-VHL> 5never been there tho

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> they don't pay attention and repent

[22:16] <light2-VHL> Amen

[22:17] <Gran-VHL> 5amen and for sure Code

[22:17] <Debi-VHL> 12Bob, I got in late and I'm sorry, but I have a question. I don't know what to think about VP candidate Liberman. Which side do I vote for? Bush or Gore? I am confused.

[22:17] <Rich-VHL> 7thats right code

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> O LORD, your hand is lifted high, but they do not see it. Let them see your zeal for your people and be put to shame; let the fire reserved for your enemies consume them. (Isaiah 26:11 NIV)

[22:17] <Code1-VHL> The Spirit of God's presence is with me, yes. Otherwise, I couldn't do it, Rich.

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> hold on, just a sec, Debi, ok? :)

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> O LORD, your hand is lifted high, but they do not see it. Let them see your zeal for your people and be put to shame; let the fire reserved for your enemies consume them. (Isaiah 26:11 NIV)

[22:17] <hope-VHL> 3GORE is PRO-CHOICE..............PRO Abortion...............God is definitely NOT pro abortion

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> look at v 11! God's hand is poised to strike the earth! But they do not see it!

[22:18] <Rich-VHL> 7I ask God for courage everyday code

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> Anytime now! But they are clueless!

[22:18] <light2-VHL> Debi Lieberman voted for partial birth abortion and Gore is pro Gay rights so that should help you some

[22:18] <Gran-VHL> 5Debi the Democrats are for homosexual power and are pro abortion so that should answer it for you

[22:18] <Code1-VHL> I know, Rich. The Christian life is not for whimps.

[22:18] <Gran-VHL> 5they are for all that God is against

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> Sounds like you got lots of advice, Debi :)

[22:18] <Debi-VHL> 12Thank you everyone:-)

[22:18] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen again code

[22:19] <Gran-VHL> 5Debi keep up with the news

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> Here is a beautiful verse:

[22:19] <light2-VHL> here is a verse to help you Deb

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> LORD, you establish peace for us; all that we have accomplished you have done for us. (Isaiah 26:12 NIV)

[22:19] <light2-VHL> They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them

[22:19] <light2-VHL> Prov 28:4

[22:19] <Gran-VHL> 5If you can get Christion radio you can get the news from a Christin angle

[22:20] <light2-VHL> So I guess you could say were contenders for the faith and truth

[22:20] <Code1-VHL> Amen, Rich. Amen. Let me pray . . . Father, place a hedge of protection about your children in this room. We bind the strong man and loose blessings, in the name of Jesus Christ our risen Lord and Savior. Amen.

[22:20] <Debi-VHL> 12It's hard for me to keep up, I work two jobs.

[22:20] <Gran-VHL> 5amen

[22:20] <Gran-VHL> 5thanks you

[22:20] <light2-VHL> Amen code

[22:20] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen code

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> And - a verse about Israel! You have enlarged the nation, O LORD; you have enlarged the nation. You have gained glory for yourself; you have extended all the borders of the land. (Isaiah 26:15 NIV)

[22:20] <Gran-VHL> 5code we needed that here tonight

[22:21] <light2-VHL> We should be praying everyday to be delivered from the Evil one, for he is always seeking to destroy

[22:21] <Code1-VHL> Amen all. Amen. God is good all of the time.

[22:21] <Gran-VHL> 5Debi see if you can get a Christain radio station at home then see if you can get it on your car radio also

[22:21] <Debi-VHL> 12Okay, I will try

[22:21] <Gran-VHL> 5All the time God is good

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> Listen up folks - we are still in Isaiah 26, and there is more important stuff here :)

[22:21] <Code1-VHL> Good verse, Bob.

[22:21] <hope-VHL> 3Debi, you can also try worthynews.com

[22:21] <light2-VHL> Bob I think that is talking about those who are as the sands of the sea and saved by faith

[22:22] <hope-VHL> 3sorry Bob

[22:22] <Gran-VHL> 5I wish you were closer to me you could get Toccoa Falls radio news on the hour

[22:22] <light2-VHL> He made Abraham a father of many nations

[22:22] <Gran-VHL> 5but I don;'t think they have one down that far away

[22:22] <light2-VHL> Yet all those nations are now one in Christ

[22:22] <hope-VHL> 3go on BOB

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> ok - the next few are about Israel:

[22:23] <Judy-VHL> 5Yes, I came to learn........thank you Bob.

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> LORD, they came to you in their distress; when you disciplined them, they could barely whisper a prayer. (Isaiah 26:16 NIV)

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> Speaking historically of God's discipline of them....

[22:23] <Code1-VHL> Hey Rich? I praying for the anointing to fall upon you to visit other rooms not so fortunate as this one. There are folks who are heavy ladened with sin who feel they still owe a debt. We must tell them the good news that there's a Savior, that none of us will be held accountable if we only believe. It's such wonderful news.

[22:24] <Rich-VHL> 7how majestic is our Lord Jesus

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> to the point where they are desparately calling out to Him

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> look at the next 2 verses - a poignant picture:

[22:24] <Code1-VHL> How majestic is His name indeed. Yes, Bob, God is so good. Calling on His name brings glory.

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> As a woman with child and about to give birth writhes and cries out in her pain, so were we in your presence, O LORD. (Isaiah 26:17 NIV)

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> We were with child, we writhed in pain, but we gave birth to wind. We have not brought salvation to the earth; we have not given birth to people of the world. (Isaiah 26:18 NIV)

[22:25] <Rich-VHL> 7yes code all that call on the name of Jesus will be saved

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> This is Israel speaking...

[22:25] <light2-VHL> Bob remember that jugdement will begin in the house of God

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> talking about the pain because they had departed from the Lord...

[22:25] <Code1-VHL> Amen, Rich. Yes, light. Judgment shall begin with the believers.

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> and is if they were in labor, but "gave birth to wind" - do you know what that means?

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> the next phrase is a clue:

[22:26] <hope-VHL> 3they missed the Saviour?

[22:26] <incense11> to nothing?

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> We have not brought salvation to the earth - God had called Abraham to make a great nation of Him, to bring knowledge of Him to all the earth....

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> but because they missed the Messiah, yes, Hope

[22:27] <light2-VHL> Yes and that nation was by faith according to the book of hebrews

[22:27] <Rich-VHL> 7code where would I find these talk rooms

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> they did not "give birth to the people of the earth"

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> its a sad prophecy

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[22:27] <Code1-VHL> Listen room. It's been a pleasure. I am going into a chatroom that knows nothing at all about the grace of God through His Son. I am going to spread the good news. That is our commission is to "go ye." So, I'm going yo. See ya everybody. It's been a pleasure. Thanks for having me, Bob.

[22:27] <Judy-VHL> 5So many still missing Him. How sad that they are blinded as they are.

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> BUT!

[22:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night, Code.

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Bye, Code -thanks for stopping in

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> BUT!

[22:28] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless code

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. (Isaiah 26:19 NIV)

[22:28] <Debi-VHL> 12Resurrection?

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> In spite of the fact that they missed the mark, God still has plans for them

[22:28] <light2-VHL> For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> yes, Debi :)

[22:28] <Judy-VHL> 5Ok, Bob, what does that mean?

[22:29] <Judy-VHL> 5Hmmmm

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> one of the few verses in the OT that speaks explicitly of the resurrection

[22:29] <hope-VHL> 3the Rapture

[22:29] <light2-VHL> 1 Pet 4:17

[22:29] <Code1-VHL> God bless everybody. Rich, if you have AOL, you can click on People. You will find all of those other chatrooms there. See ya everybody.

[22:29] <Rich-VHL> 7when our Lord Jesus comes again for us Bob

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Jesus is our resurrection

[22:29] <VCI-Bob> because He lives, we also will live

[22:29] <Rich-VHL> 7thanks code

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[22:30] <Gran-VHL> 5rich if you have cs you can go to the Zones the blue zone is the one I went to

[22:30] <light2-VHL> Bob if judgment begins with us then we first will have to be judged before Israel is ever judged

[22:30] <Rich-VHL> 7sounds bad Gran

[22:31] <hope-VHL> 3we might have to endure the persecution of the AntiChrist, but we will NOT endure judgment from God!

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> Now, to conclude chapter 26, is a warning

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> thats right, hope

[22:31] <Gran-VHL> 5well not so bad at 10 E there is a bible study but heathens keep comeing in and disrupting it

[22:31] <Rich-VHL> 7we are already judged light

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> Give careful thought to these two verses:

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. (Isaiah 26:20 NIV)

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed upon her; she will conceal her slain no longer. (Isaiah 26:21 NIV)

[22:31] <light2-VHL> Hope the judgement there is God separating the true church from the Apostate one to coem

[22:31] <light2-VHL> come

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> This speaks of the coming of the Lord in wrath on the earth

[22:32] <hope-VHL> 3THIS is where Christ is PROTECTING us from HIS wrath....these verses

[22:32] <Gran-VHL> 5yes hope

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> But - what is He saying????

[22:32] <Rich-VHL> 7kinda like the passover of old

[22:32] <light2-VHL> Yes those verses but he is going to refine his church

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> Not - "don't worry - you'll already be raptured" - but HIDE

[22:33] <hope-VHL> 3Personally I thought He was talking to the Jewish people that He will place His mark on on the end...

[22:33] <light2-VHL> and that just may mean that we will be suffering for His name sake

[22:33] <Judy-VHL> 5Me also, Hope

[22:33] <Debi-VHL> 12Where do you hide? from the antichrist or from the Lord's rapture?

[22:33] <hope-VHL> 3they WILL be protected during this time

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> Draw your own conclusions - it seems pretty clear to me :)

[22:34] <Rich-VHL> 7what did you mean Bob

[22:34] <hope-VHL> 3The rapture would have taken place in verse NINETEEN

[22:34] <Gran-VHL> 5from the Lords wrath Debi

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> He is speaking to "my people"

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> those who belong to Him

[22:34] <Rich-VHL> 7Ok I know

[22:34] <Judy-VHL> 5:-*

[22:34] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob Isreal has always been HIS people

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> telling them to "hide" during the period of His wrath

[22:35] <Gran-VHL> 5and He promised that Isreal would be saved

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran, I'm not saying I have the last word in interpretation :)

[22:36] <Debi-VHL> 1210Bob, do you think we will get to see all this in our lifetime?

[22:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Woman in White, who grows wings of an Eagle, and flies to a hiding place, Israel?

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> I just think they are interesting verses to ponder

[22:36] <Rich-VHL> 7I have to be going now brethren may you all rejoice in our Lord Jesus with me

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> Revelation 12, Bez?

[22:36] <light2-VHL> Hide Hebrew Chabab- hide that is to cherish as in love

[22:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Believe so....He will protect His chosen people.

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> Light, the context does not bear out that meaning of the word

[22:37] <Gran-VHL> 5well Bob I sure don't pretend to have all the answers:)

[22:37] <light2-VHL> That is meaning of word regardless of context

[22:37] <Gran-VHL> 5Rich God bless you see you later:)

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> :) Gran - that's we we discuss these things, so the Lord can enlighten us :)

[22:37] <hope-VHL> 3So Bob, what do you think?

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> See ya Rich!

[22:38] <light2-VHL> We always should look at original language before jumping to conclusions

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[22:38] <VCI-Bob> Thanks again for your presence, Rich! You add a lot :)

[22:38] <Gran-VHL> 5yes bob I know thats a fact

[22:38] <light2-VHL> No version is completely right on

[22:38] <hope-VHL> 3except the Hebrew and Greek

[22:38] <Gran-VHL> 5and Aramaic

[22:38] <light2-VHL> God hides us under the shadow of his wing

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[22:38] <VCI-Bob> Well, that concludes our little tour of Isaiah 24-26 :)

[22:38] <Gran-VHL> 5I want to get a Hebrew and Aramaic bible

[22:38] <light2-VHL> And surely He is our only protection

[22:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I believe Isaiah wrote mostly in Aramaic, Gran.

[22:39] <hope-VHL> 3So Bob, that verse Twenty......

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> Only 3 little chapters, and so much good stuff!

[22:39] <Gran-VHL> 5yes light

[22:39] <Gran-VHL> 5yes me too Bez

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> I think it's Hebrew, Bez

[22:39] <light2-VHL> Gran you can go to http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.html and get all the help you need there

[22:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Isaiah?

[22:39] <incense11> Bob, do you cont. on next week like 27, etc or not

[22:39] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob when did Aramaic come on the scene

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> most of the OT is Hebrew, except for small portions of Daniel

[22:40] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You're right, Bob....It was Daniel who wrote quite a bit in Aramaic, sorry.

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> Good question Incense :)

[22:40] <hope-VHL> 3is verse twenty talking about the same thing as Revelation chapter seven....one through 8

[22:40] <Gran-VHL> 5light I did go there and did not see the Aramaic only Hebrew

[22:40] <hope-VHL> 3BOB

[22:40] <VCI-Bob> We could do that, sure :)

[22:41] <incense11> just wondering how you did it

[22:41] <hope-VHL> 3BOB?????

[22:41] <incense11> are you Jewish

[22:41] <Gran-VHL> 5very good idea incense

[22:41] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[22:41] <VCI-Bob> I'm looking Hope :)

[22:41] <hope-VHL> 3;) sorry,

[22:41] <Judy-VHL> 5Hope and Bob, I expect that when you two are at the conference, you get your picture taken together and send it to me.

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> I'm not sure, hope

[22:42] <hope-VHL> 3Yeah, I'll do that Judy!

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> We will try to remember to do that

[22:42] <incense11> Bob, are u Jewish

[22:42] <Judy-VHL> 5Thanks.

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> maybe we can get Stan to post it on VHL

[22:42] <light2-VHL> Bob how is Stan?

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> no, Incense

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> Stan is doing very well

[22:42] <VCI-Bob> we talk regularly

[22:42] <Judy-VHL> 5Cool

[22:42] <incense11> what conference u going to

[22:42] <light2-VHL> Is He planning on staying in Israel ?

[22:42] <hope-VHL> 3Wait now Bob.....

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> prophecy conference in VHL

[22:43] <light2-VHL> He wrote me about the site and all

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> I mean

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> in Orlando

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> yes, Light, he plans to stay in Israel

[22:43] <Judy-VHL> 5LOL

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:43] <incense11> Bob, in Jan. you mean

[22:43] <Judy-VHL> 5Bob is getting tired.

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> yeah, Judy :)

[22:43] <hope-VHL> 3do you think verse twenty, He is talking to the Jewish people or to everyone that believes?

[22:43] <VCI-Bob> gonna leave shortly :)

[22:44] <light2-VHL> Well good nite all and God Bless , Thanks Bob for being here and helping us all

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> Hope, I think it is all believers

[22:44] <VCI-Bob> Night, Light :)

[22:44] <Judy-VHL> 5Goodnight Light.......write me sometime.

[22:44] <light2-VHL> Ok Judy , sorry I have not , been so busy here

[22:44] <light2-VHL> God Bless you

[22:44] <Gran-VHL> 5Debi if you are interested on the web you can go to myfavoritestation.com and find out if Taccoa staion is down your way

[22:44] <hope-VHL> 3so in other words, you don't feel that the rapture or the resurrection of the dead just happened in verse nineteen?

[22:45] <VCI-Bob> You're welcome, Light - my pleasure

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[22:45] <hope-VHL> 3jewish believer or not

[22:45] <incense11> does anyone have a BIG flashing AD above their typing line besides me?

[22:45] <VCI-Bob> they are not necessarily in time sequence, Hope

[22:45] <Judy-VHL> 5Not I Incense.

[22:45] <hope-VHL> 3BUT they COULD BE ;)

[22:46] <incense11> just happened last night, and bothers me

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> yes, they could be :)

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> what is AD incense? :)

[22:46] <incense11> win money .. buy this or that, etc

[22:46] <VCI-Bob> OK folks, I need to run....

[22:46] <hope-VHL> 3and if they were this would go PERFECTLY with REvelation SIX and Seven :)

[22:46] <incense11> usually AD's are below typing line and only on here is it changed

[22:46] <Judy-VHL> 5Bye Bob......have a great week and thanks for the study.

[22:47] <VCI-Bob> Thanks for being a great bunch o' chatters! :)

[22:47] <incense11> Shalom Bob, thanks

[22:47] <Gran-VHL> 5well family of God gran has to leave it has been good to be able to be here for so long tonight see you all on MOn

[22:47] <VCI-Bob> Night, Gran :)

[22:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bob, could I ask one quick question?

[22:47] <VCI-Bob> sure, Bez :)

[22:47] <hope-VHL> 3Man, time flies by in here!

[22:48] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Is there any reference or method to determine which time period Isaiah addresses in the various chapters?

[22:48] <VCI-Bob> Nope :)

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[22:48] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Gee, thanks:-(

[22:48] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[22:48] <VCI-Bob> Well, some that are clearly historical in nature, yes

[22:48] <VCI-Bob> but the prophetic ones, not really....

[22:48] <Gran-VHL> 5Debi did you get what i said about that website

[22:48] <VCI-Bob> however, as you read it more and more....

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> you get more of a feel for the sequencing of things....

[22:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That's the tough part of Isaiah....determining which era his prophecies address.

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> remember, however, that the prophet was seeing glimpses here and there

[22:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You've helped quite a bit.

[22:49] <Debi-VHL> 10Well, good night all and Shalom. I will type up the notes from the Sermon on Sunday for next weeks chat. I will share what I learned. Yes Gran, I got your web site, thank you.

[22:49] <VCI-Bob> different scenes, of the future, and he probably didn't have much reference as to when and where it was speaking of

[22:50] <Gran-VHL> 5well Byeeeeeeeeeeee famly for now

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Debi :)

[22:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I hadn't thought of that before.

[22:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Gran

[22:50] <Gran-VHL> 5god bless Debi

[22:50] <incense11> there's bible that reads in order of events not the way KJV is written

[22:50] <Gran-VHL> 5night Bez

[22:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Debi

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[22:50] <Gran-VHL> 5yes incense I have one

[22:50] <VCI-Bob> It's like a mystery novel, Bez :)

[22:50] <incense11> would that help Bez

[22:51] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[22:51] <VCI-Bob> little clues here and there that we have to put together :)

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[22:51] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Incidentally, I have Marvin Rosenthal's The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church sitting next to me....enjoy the conference.

[22:51] <hope-VHL> 3One day we'll all know the whole story CLEARLY!

[22:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That's right, Hope!

[22:52] <incense11> now that will be the DAY

[22:52] <hope-VHL> 3GREAT book Bez.....I have it too

[22:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2It'll probably be the next one I read....

[22:53] <VCI-Bob> Night, all :) Shalom!

[22:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Got pointed to Rosenthal by reading a Robert Van Kampen book.

[22:53] <hope-VHL> 3Well I guess the time has come to say goodnight!!! May God Bless you all! Keep the fire burning! ;)

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