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*** Log file opened: 7/13/00 7:43:44 PM [19:44] <HostBob> Hi there! [19:45] <Called_out-VHL> Hi Bob, How are you this eve? [19:45] <HostBob> Doing fine, thanks! [19:46] <HostBob> Had a few problems getting set up for this though! [19:46] pastorswife-VHL [~pastorswife-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [19:46] <HostBob> The software locked up on my other PC [19:46] <Called_out-VHL> I had a hard time getting connected tonight. Must be busy! [19:46] <HostBob> so I had to switch to the laptop [19:47] <HostBob> Welcome, PWife :) [19:47] <Called_out-VHL> Will that be much of a problem for you? [19:47] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Hi Bob.. [19:47] <HostBob> No, this will be fine [19:47] <Called_out-VHL> Hi pastorwife [19:47] <pastorswife-VHL> 13:-)Hi Called_Out [19:47] <HostBob> and it looks like they forgot to put a link to the "prophecy' room [19:47] <HostBob> so this will be the room tonight :) [19:48] Judy-VHL [~Judy-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [19:48] <HostBob> How is everyone? [19:48] <HostBob> Welcome, Judy! [19:48] <pastorswife-VHL> 13I'm just a bystander.. Stan has told me to stop by and see how your chats go? [19:48] <Judy-VHL> 3Hi Bob......long time no see.....how've you been? [19:48] <Called_out-VHL> Hi Judy ;) [19:48] <pastorswife-VHL> 13I may possibly be hosting one for Christian ladies down the road.. waiting for the OK. [19:48] <Judy-VHL> 3Hi called [19:48] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Hi Judy.. [19:48] EZGuest595 [~EZGuest@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [19:48] <Judy-VHL> 3Hi Wife [19:49] <HostBob> Glad you joined us, PWife! [19:49] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Hi EZ [19:49] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Thanks.. [19:49] <HostBob> I've been good, thanks! [19:49] <Judy-VHL> 3Hey EZ [19:49] <EZGuest595> hi all this is kathy dont know how I got that name lol [19:49] <Called_out-VHL> Hi Ez :) [19:49] <HostBob> Hi Kathy :) [19:49] <Called_out-VHL> Hi Kathy;) [19:50] <Judy-VHL> 3I just got glasses today........so I may be disoriented tonight....LOL What else is new, right???? [19:50] <EZGuest595> I will go out and back on again to see if I can get the right name lol [19:50] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Probably can only stay a little while.. hubby still working on the Sunday a.m. message and will be home soon.. [19:50] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Hi kathy [19:50] doug-VHL [~doug-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [19:50] <HostBob> Welcome, Doug! [19:50] <EZGuest595> why are we in the chit chat room anyway [19:50] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Hi Doub [19:50] <pastorswife-VHL> 13ooooooooopsss Doug [19:50] <doug-VHL> Hi [19:50] <Judy-VHL> 3Hi Doug [19:50] <HostBob> I guess they forgot to create a link to the other room [19:50] <Called_out-VHL> Hi doug :) [19:50] <EZGuest595> k [19:51] EZGuest595 [~EZGuest@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (EZGuest595 has left the room) [19:51] Gran-VHL [~Gran-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [19:51] <doug-VHL> Hello all. [19:51] <HostBob> The big news this week, of course, is the Camp David summit [19:51] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Hi Gran [19:51] <Judy-VHL> 3Hello Gran [19:51] <HostBob> Hi Gran! [19:51] <Called_out-VHL> Hi Gran :) :) [19:51] <Gran-VHL> :) Hi grouip will stay for a while [19:51] <Called_out-VHL> Felling any better Gran :) [19:52] <Judy-VHL> 3Yeah, Gran, how are you doing?? [19:52] <Called_out-VHL> sorry,,,feeling [19:52] <HostBob> I have a Bible verse to start with.... [19:52] <HostBob> appropriate both for Israel and for us [19:53] Bezalel-VHL [~Bezalel-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [19:53] <HostBob> "Sow for yourselves righteousness, reap the fruit of unfailing love, and break up your unplowed ground; for it is time to seek the LORD, until he comes and showers righteousness on you." (Hosea 10:12 NIV) [19:53] <Gran-VHL> felliing some better but just want to sleep all the time [19:53] <HostBob> Hi there Bez :) [19:53] <HostBob> It is time... [19:53] <HostBob> to seek the Lord [19:53] <Bezalel-VHL> Hello, I 'm glad I found you [19:53] <Gran-VHL> yes Bob it sure is [19:54] <HostBob> What is our "unplowed ground" personally? [19:54] <Judy-VHL> 3Bob...........the verse......it is time indeed. We have precious little time, I believe. [19:54] <Gran-VHL> :) yeah Bez me too hard to find tonight huh [19:54] <HostBob> Yes, Judy? [19:54] <Judy-VHL> 3Just made a comment [19:54] <Judy-VHL> 3above [19:54] <HostBob> Yes, time is drawing near [19:55] <Judy-VHL> 3Unplowed ground sounds like works BECAUSE we are saved......start working for the Lord. [19:55] <Judy-VHL> 3Right or wrong? [19:55] <Called_out-VHL> Personally, could be luke warmness, things left undone? [19:55] <Gran-VHL> :) 5:->yes called out that is what i would say [19:55] <HostBob> Why can't a farmer plant on unplowed ground? [19:56] <Called_out-VHL> Spiritual blindness in some areas [19:56] <Called_out-VHL> Too hard [19:56] <Judy-VHL> 3It is not fertile [19:56] <HostBob> right [19:56] <Called_out-VHL> no watering [19:56] <Gran-VHL> 5the seeds will not be covered and fed so they will not grow [19:56] <Called_out-VHL> Ground not willing [19:57] <Called_out-VHL> The farmer hasn't done all the work that he needs to do. [19:57] <HostBob> While applicable to us... the context is speaking of Israel's rebellion and self-sufficiency [19:57] <Gran-VHL> 5:) it is like the seeds that fall on ground where they can't get the nurisment they need [19:58] light2-VHL [~light2-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [19:58] <HostBob> It's interesting - in that section of Hosea.... [19:58] <HostBob> we see a lot of ambivalence from the Lord towards Israel.. [19:58] <HostBob> intense love, but intense dissatisfaction also [19:59] <Judy-VHL> 3Hello Light 2 [19:59] <HostBob> Which, I think, watching the events happening there today, we can certainly understand [19:59] <Called_out-VHL> Hi Light 2 :) [19:59] <light2-VHL> Hello to all tonight, God Bless [19:59] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Here in Hosea God is remeinding them of HIS love for them HE keeps taking them back as he had Hosea do with his wife [20:00] <HostBob> Yes, Gran :) [20:00] <Gran-VHL> 5shalom light [20:00] <HostBob> Faithful love [20:00] <pastorswife-VHL> 13That's what a parent is like... too.. we have such deep love for our children.. but when they are disobedient..we are so disappointed with them and deeply hurt.. [20:00] <HostBob> good analogy, PWife [20:00] <Judy-VHL> 3But we don't disown them. [20:00] <light2-VHL> Bob there is a place where you can vote on what you think should happen tho Jerusalem they give 4 options [20:00] <HostBob> here's a good example of that [20:00] <Gran-VHL> 5:) very good one Pwife [20:00] <HostBob> ""How can I give you up, Ephraim? How can I hand you over, Israel? How can I treat you like Admah? How can I make you like Zeboiim? My heart is changed within me; all my compassion is aroused." (Hosea 11:8 NIV) [20:00] <Judy-VHL> 3Agree, pastorswife [20:00] <HostBob> "I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim. For I am God, and not man-- the Holy One among you. I will not come in wrath." (Hosea 11:9 NIV) [20:00] <pastorswife-VHL> 13And even moreso.. our heavenly Father.. loves.. and loves and loves beyond compare.. and rebelliousness just tears apart that love and trust on the child's part.. and the Father.. must discipline.. right? [20:01] <HostBob> Anyone know what Adman and Zeboiim are? [20:01] Jerry-VHL [~Jerry-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:01] <Gran-VHL> 5:) not me Bob [20:01] <Called_out-VHL> No I Bob [20:01] <Judy-VHL> 3No [20:02] <Judy-VHL> 3Hello Jerry [20:02] <HostBob> They were cities destroyed with Sodom [20:02] <Jerry-VHL> Hi All! [20:02] <Gran-VHL> 5:) shalom Jerry [20:02] <HostBob> Hi Jerry! [20:02] <Jerry-VHL> Read your post Gran [20:02] <Jerry-VHL> Good stuff [20:02] <Called_out-VHL> Hi Jerry :) [20:02] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Where is that Bob? I'm trying to find it.. [20:03] <Gran-VHL> 5:) as I read yours Jerry:) [20:03] <HostBob> The verse, Pwife? [20:03] <Jerry-VHL> Which one - lol [20:03] <pastorswife-VHL> 13I found it.. [20:03] <Judy-VHL> 3I did not know that Bob!! We always just hear of Sodom and Gomorrah........guess I didn't read too well. [20:03] <pastorswife-VHL> 13It's in Gen. 10:19 [20:04] <pastorswife-VHL> 13It's Admah and Zeboim.. [20:04] <pastorswife-VHL> 13right? [20:04] <HostBob> God is telling Israel He will not treat them like that [20:04] <HostBob> yes [20:04] <pastorswife-VHL> 13I never knew that one.. Hm... one on the pastor's wife.. ha.. [20:04] <Judy-VHL> 3Praise the Lord, He is so good. [20:04] Kathy-VHL [~Kathy-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:04] <HostBob> even though his level of dissatisfaction was high with them [20:04] <Judy-VHL> 3Even though we don't deserve it. [20:04] <HostBob> welcome back Kathy! [20:05] <HostBob> right, Judy! [20:05] <Kathy-VHL> thanks Bob had some trouble getting in [20:05] <Judy-VHL> 3Hi Kathy [20:05] <light2-VHL> And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath: [20:05] <Gran-VHL> 5:) shalom Kathy [20:05] <Kathy-VHL> Hi all [20:05] <HostBob> where is that from, Light? [20:05] <light2-VHL> Deut 29:23 [20:05] <Jerry-VHL> Hi Kathy [20:05] <Kathy-VHL> :-) [20:05] <HostBob> thanks for sharing that :0 [20:05] <HostBob> :) [20:06] <HostBob> wrong smiley :) [20:06] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Boy old Gran didn't read that either not to remember that is [20:06] jbjc16-VHL [~jbjc16-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:06] <HostBob> Welcome JBJC [20:06] <Judy-VHL> 3Hello and welcom jbjc [20:06] <pastorswife-VHL> 13hi [20:06] <Gran-VHL> 5:) shalom jbjc [20:06] <Jerry-VHL> Hi jbjc [20:06] <Called_out-VHL> Hi JBJC :) [20:07] <light2-VHL> Bob did you see my post about a site to vote on fate of Jerusalem? [20:07] <HostBob> Remember, if there are topics you wish to discuss, [20:07] <HostBob> feel free to interject [20:07] <HostBob> I don't know of any, light, sorry [20:07] <Gran-VHL> 5:) I havenet been in today light so will check that out thanks [20:07] <light2-VHL> http://www.msnbc.com/news/430676.asp [20:07] <Jerry-VHL> I voted on it [20:07] <HostBob> besides, we know the fate of Jerusalem, right? :) [20:08] <jbjc16-VHL> Hello [20:08] <HostBob> the Lord Jesus will reign in glory from there :) [20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> Amen, Bob [20:08] <light2-VHL> There it is straight from Rabbi Packozt [20:08] <Jerry-VHL> I think Jerusalems fate will be left to opinion polls like poor Elian [20:08] <light2-VHL> They give you 4 options [20:08] <Judy-VHL> 3We sure do know the outcome........can you imagine seeing Jesus arrive???? [20:08] <Judy-VHL> 3VIP arrival. [20:08] <HostBob> I try to imagine it a lot, Judy :) [20:08] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Bob I just want to say how very good it was to have Delta as hostess for us on Tues night we had a great time in the word and fellowship [20:08] <Jerry-VHL> But God will have the final say. [20:08] <HostBob> Yes, she did a terrific job, huh!!! [20:09] <light2-VHL> Well we can say what we would like anyway [20:09] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Three things that Hosea tends to bring out are 1) God hates thesins of His people.. 2)Judgement is sure.. and 3)but God's loyal love stands firm!!! Praise God.. [20:09] <light2-VHL> Amen on Gods final say [20:09] <Called_out-VHL> Amen Gran, It was wonderful! [20:09] <HostBob> of course, in the meantime, many will contend for Jerusalem [20:09] <pastorswife-VHL> 13his mercies are new every morning.. Great is Thy faithfulness.. [20:09] <Jerry-VHL> Yes, I enjoyed the little time I could spend there. It's nice to know there are others out there [20:09] <HostBob> and the land God promised to Israel [20:09] <Gran-VHL> 5:) amen Pwife [20:09] <HostBob> amen, Pwife :) [20:10] <Gran-VHL> 5:) :-> [20:10] <Judy-VHL> 3be back in a few moments. [20:10] <pastorswife-VHL> 13I just taught my Wed. class last night about 5 things that prove God loves us.. and it's such a comfort to know and realize that He loves us inspite of ourselves.. and it's forever.. [20:10] <HostBob> I tell ya what, I have a great wife - she brought me a plate of food :) [20:11] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Good for you..Bob's wife!!! I'm waiting for the preacher to come home so I can give him his plate too.. :-) [20:11] <HostBob> Yes, PWife, I am so grateful for that - He is a God of salvaging worthless lives! [20:11] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Bob you know what Stan has asked us to get others to pray for the Camp David thing and of course for Isreal [20:11] <Bezalel-VHL> And you didn't have to cook i, Bob?:-) [20:11] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Amen! [20:12] <HostBob> Cooking is not something I excel at, Bez :) [20:12] <Gran-VHL> 5well I spoke to my pastor and he said that they do have a specail time of prayer on our night of prayer at church [20:12] <HostBob> Yes, we need to pray for that summit [20:12] <Gran-VHL> 5he takes the J Post so he knows what is going on [20:12] <Kathy-VHL> Im still with you Bez you cook for your wife [20:12] <HostBob> great, Gran! [20:12] <Called_out-VHL> Our church prayed for the Summit and for all the people in Israel at prayer meeting last night. [20:12] <HostBob> wish more pastors were like that, Gran! [20:13] <Jerry-VHL> Yes, Bob, it is dry where I live [20:13] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Pray for the peace of Jerusalem!!!! Some day... hallelujah! [20:13] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Bob we have had Sat night prayer for some time but i just can't get there so didn't know [20:13] jbjc16-VHL [~jbjc16-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (jbjc16-VHL has left the room) [20:13] jbjc16-VHL [~jbjc16-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:14] <HostBob> It's hard to know what to pray sometimes, huh? [20:14] <HostBob> For the situation in Israel [20:14] <jbjc16-VHL> Yes what do we pray for [20:14] <Gran-VHL> 5Israel needs water very badly also [20:14] <HostBob> any suggestions? [20:14] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Our Lord is working out the details.. He just wants us to be faithful in prayer.. it's all in His hands.. [20:15] <Gran-VHL> 5the water in the Sea of Galalie has been below the red line for about 6 months [20:15] <Jerry-VHL> It scares me because when I talk about Israel I get blown off so fast. I think we should pray for Christians to have God pour out His spirit upon them and give them an understanding heart for Israel [20:15] <light2-VHL> I always think of our peace, who is Christ and I always pray those in Jerusalem will come to know Him [20:15] <Gran-VHL> 5thats right Jerry they just don't get it [20:15] <pastorswife-VHL> 13I pray for them to find their true Messiah..and for the love of Christians to overflow to them and that they see it in our lives.. [20:15] <Gran-VHL> 5I get very frustrated about attitudes [20:15] <Gran-VHL> 5about the end times and Israel [20:16] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Whose attitudes..? [20:16] <Gran-VHL> 5:0 of other Christians [20:16] tata-VHL [~tata-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:16] <pastorswife-VHL> 13For instance? [20:16] <Gran-VHL> 5about what is happening in Israel [20:16] <light2-VHL> It doesn't do any good to get upset with people who aren't paying attention, they need our prayers too [20:16] <Jerry-VHL> Christ is at the Door and no one sees it. Like Christ said they will be going about life as usual. [20:16] DonB-VHL [~DonB-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:16] <Gran-VHL> 5and what will happen to those that do not get saved [20:16] <HostBob> Welcome, tata and Don! [20:16] <pastorswife-VHL> 13You can never please people.. we just must be true to God's Word and faithful to sharing what He says.. [20:17] Grace-VHL [~Grace-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:17] <Jerry-VHL> But they don't want to hear it. [20:17] <DonB-VHL> 131314Shalom [20:17] <pastorswife-VHL> 13They will have that opportunity to find Christ.. they have to make choices just like we all did.. [20:17] tribarmo-VHL [~tribarmo-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:17] <HostBob> That's ok, we aren't responsible for their "hearing" - just our "telling" right? [20:17] <Jerry-VHL> They don't get the connection [20:17] <Grace-VHL> Shalom all...here you all are...what happened to the politics chat room? [20:17] <light2-VHL> Well Jerry it is sad because they get so wrapped up in this life [20:17] <Gran-VHL> 5:0 Oh hey kids I learned that a long time ago but it does make me very sad for them and more so for the unsaved in Israel [20:17] <HostBob> Welcoem, Trib! [20:17] <HostBob> Hi Grace! [20:18] <HostBob> I guess they forgot to provide the link [20:18] <pastorswife-VHL> 13We have a wonderful Jewish family in our church who have accepted Jesus as their Messiah.. and they are such a blessing..I love the Jews.. and Israel is so dear to my heart.. [20:18] <Grace-VHL> Shalom Bob [20:18] <tribarmo-VHL> Hi Everyone [20:18] <HostBob> But thisis the Prophecy Chat :) [20:18] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Grace trib, tata shalom [20:18] <tribarmo-VHL> Hi Gran [20:18] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Hi all [20:18] <HostBob> More and more Jewish people everywhere are coming to know Jesus as their Messiah and Savior! [20:18] <Grace-VHL> So where are we this evening in the conversation? [20:18] <Jerry-VHL> I guess you are right Bob, but I feel like I am put off and looked upon as lost and it gets real hard [20:18] <Grace-VHL> Amen! [20:18] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Yes.. and it's wonderful.. [20:18] <HostBob> just rolling along, Grace :) [20:18] <Jerry-VHL> Hi Grace [20:18] <pastorswife-VHL> 13I love to have passover with them.. [20:19] <pastorswife-VHL> 13What an insight to the Savior.. [20:19] <jbjc16-VHL> i do too [20:19] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Something that the Jew without the Messiah miss.. [20:19] <HostBob> Jerry, read what God said to people such as Isaiah and Jeremiah [20:19] <Gran-VHL> 5:) that must be great Pwife [20:19] <Grace-VHL> All in G-d's appointed time and our wisdom in walking in His love for the brethern [20:19] <HostBob> in essense, keep speaking, even if no one listens [20:19] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Yes.. it's wonderful... [20:19] <pastorswife-VHL> 13right! [20:19] <Jerry-VHL> It's good to come here and know I 'm not alone [20:19] <pastorswife-VHL> 13That's our responsibility with anyone who doesn't believe.. [20:20] <HostBob> Yes :) [20:20] <Gran-VHL> 5:) we have someone come in often from one of the Messianic churches in Atlanta but to have a family in the church wow [20:20] <pastorswife-VHL> 13I often say .. You can take a horse to water.. but you can't make them drink.. ..so goes this in the church and with unsaved.. [20:20] <pastorswife-VHL> 13We al have that choice to make.. [20:20] <HostBob> In fact, did you know, that God from day one told Isaiah his ministry was going to be a "failure"?! [20:20] <Grace-VHL> I don't see myself long for the chat...I need to find a way to reduce the eye strain I have been experiencing from being on the puter...Any suggestion? [20:20] <pastorswife-VHL> 13right [20:21] <Jerry-VHL> Interesting Bob [20:21] Hartnettangel-VHL [~Hartnettangel-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:21] <HostBob> Glare screen? Bigger monitor? [20:21] <Grace-VHL> Yes, that's is true Bob.. [20:21] <pastorswife-VHL> 13ha.. ha.. ha.. Grace. I don't know either.. I think that means.. shut off the computer.. ha.. ;-) [20:21] <Called_out-VHL> Gran, the eye doc can put a coating on your glasses, it helps some. [20:21] <HostBob> Welcome, Hart! [20:21] <HostBob> LOL [20:21] <Grace-VHL> Need to do something...and quick! [20:21] <Gran-VHL> 5:) grace if you go to Office depot they have screen filters that cuts down the glare [20:21] <light2-VHL> Yes Grace you can buy a sheild to put on your screen it is like a giant sunglass [20:21] <Bezalel-VHL> Grace, bigger screen worked for me [20:21] <Jerry-VHL> Hi Hart [20:21] <HostBob> or perhaps glasses? [20:22] <light2-VHL> My son in law gave me one and it has really helped my eyes alot [20:22] <Grace-VHL> Gran......Bob...glasses, screen filter ...name it....I will get it cause this is not a pleasant sensation... [20:22] jbjc16-VHL [~jbjc16-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (jbjc16-VHL has left the room) [20:22] <Hartnettangel-VHL> hello everyone, May God Bless and give Peace to All [20:22] <HostBob> email me and I'll tell you a good place to get monitors cheap at an online auction :) [20:22] Perpetua-VHL [~Perpetua-VHL@proxy13.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:22] <light2-VHL> This is a sheet of glass that is in fram tinted and helps eye strain [20:22] <Jerry-VHL> Grace - a little nap might help you too [20:22] <light2-VHL> frame [20:22] <HostBob> Welcome, perpetua! [20:22] <Grace-VHL> I've been working on puters for over 12 years now and never have had this be an issue until the past few weeks... [20:23] <Gran-VHL> 5Here in GA we have office depot and office max both so find someone to help you can't lose our Grace [20:23] pastorswife-VHL [~pastorswife-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Chitchat [20:23] <Grace-VHL> Jerry....lol.....in between what pages? [20:23] <HostBob> Welcome all of the newcomers to Bible Prophecy chat [20:23] <Perpetua-VHL> Hi Host Bob [20:23] <Grace-VHL> Gran...will do....todah... [20:23] <HostBob> I know you are about my age, Grace, so that may have something to do with it :) [20:23] <light2-VHL> Perpetua, did you take your name from the martyr?? [20:23] <HostBob> Ok - back to our topics of interest... :) [20:23] <Grace-VHL> Now.....What does anyone have to say about the war drums beating in the background of the summit? [20:24] <Jerry-VHL> I think a few nubies came in and I missed them - Hi all [20:24] <tribarmo-VHL> HostBob, [20:24] <Perpetua-VHL> Yes, her story is interesting to me. [20:24] <HostBob> Yes, Grace, isn't that incredible! [20:24] <HostBob> At the time they are talking "peace"... [20:24] <light2-VHL> Grace explain [20:24] <HostBob> the Palestinians are making unprecedented preparations for war! [20:24] <HostBob> I read some news stories about that today [20:24] humble_heart-VHL [~humble_heart-VHL@proxy13.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:24] Hartnettangel-VHL [~Hartnettangel-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Chitchat [20:24] <Grace-VHL> Yes, so what are the thoughts here in regards...I understand even Israel has intensified it's tactical manuvers ect... [20:25] <Bezalel-VHL> I personally believe that Arafat's goal is to find an excuse for war, with US and Euro bucks in his pockets [20:25] <tribarmo-VHL> Yes, I just read thatsomewhere else. [20:25] <HostBob> training, arming, fortification, etc [20:25] <light2-VHL> Well duh , I knew that was coming, this peace talk is mere show [20:25] <Perpetua-VHL> What is going to happen to Barak when he returns to Isreal? [20:25] <HostBob> One way or another, Bez, I think it will come to that [20:25] <Grace-VHL> brb...sunglasses just snapped....oh what a day! [20:25] <Jerry-VHL> Are we talking in the near future Bob or years in the distance. [20:25] <HostBob> Depends on the outcome of the summit, I suppose, Perp [20:26] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Don shalom I didn't see you [20:26] <HostBob> Jerry, to me, it seems rather close [20:26] <HostBob> war, that is [20:26] <light2-VHL> The fight is with Israel and Israel's God, and it will soon be with us and our God Too [20:26] <Jerry-VHL> Would this be the WAR or just another battle [20:26] <Gran-VHL> 5:) humble shalom to you as well also Kathy I am not very alert sorry [20:26] pastorswife-VHL [~pastorswife-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:27] <tribarmo-VHL> Good question Jerry. [20:27] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Bob.. tell Stan.. I stopped by and enjoyed myself.. Lord bless.. [20:27] <humble_heart-VHL> 12Hello Everyone [20:27] <HostBob> when you mean "the war" what are you describing? [20:27] tata-VHL [~tata-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (tata-VHL has left the room) [20:27] <light2-VHL> Jerry were awfully close to the coming of the one whose coming is of Satan [20:27] <HostBob> I'll tell him, and he'll read the transcript, Pwife [20:27] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Grace can you tape them together [20:27] <HostBob> glad you enjoyed it! [20:27] <light2-VHL> And the one world government [20:27] <Jerry-VHL> The final WAR that will be with all nations against Isreal which Christ will return [20:27] <light2-VHL> That has to happen first [20:27] <pastorswife-VHL> 13Sorry.. phone rang and had to answer.. preacher hubby is on his way home.. so I must reheat the chicken fried riche.. and greet him at the door with a BIG kiss. Lord bless you all.. Shalom.. and pray for the peace of Jerusalem.. [20:28] <HostBob> No, not that one, Jerry, the situation is not set for that yet [20:28] <HostBob> Shalom, Pwife! [20:28] <Gran-VHL> 5:) God Bless Pwife [20:28] <Grace-VHL> Gran...just used my sharpest finger nail to carefully replace the tiny pin that holds the sides of glasses! lol...well, it worked... [20:28] <Called_out-VHL> Bye PastWife [20:28] <Bezalel-VHL> Shalom, Pwife, glad you were here [20:28] <light2-VHL> Anti Christ has to come first [20:28] <pastorswife-VHL> 13thanks.. bye.. [20:28] <Perpetua-VHL> 2What has to happen first? [20:28] <Jerry-VHL> Is this leading the UN to have to enter into it [20:28] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Grace thats good [20:28] pastorswife-VHL [~pastorswife-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (pastorswife-VHL has left the room) [20:28] <light2-VHL> And besides the EU is making sure all of its kingdom goes on line within 2 years [20:28] DonB-VHL [~DonB-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Chitchat [20:29] <light2-VHL> We will soon have one world government and Anti Christ [20:29] <HostBob> Good question, Perp - anyone want to give it at shot? [20:29] <Jerry-VHL> This may be what will bring the UN in in a big way [20:29] <Perpetua-VHL> 2Bob - Perp sounds harsh [20:29] <HostBob> sorry :) less typing :) [20:29] <light2-VHL> Peace treaty has to be signed [20:29] light2-VHL [~light2-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Chitchat [20:29] <Grace-VHL> I thought the peace treaty was signed in 93 [20:29] <HostBob> should I call you Per? P? Miss P? :) [20:30] <Perpetua-VHL> 2I'm not complaining I am thankfull for the info [20:30] <Kathy-VHL> Damascus has to be destroyed [20:30] <HostBob> :) [20:30] <Gran-VHL> 5:) How about petua [20:30] <Gran-VHL> 5:) [20:30] <Jerry-VHL> What was the Camp David Agreement [20:30] LOGOS-VHL [~LOGOS-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:30] light2-VHL [~light2-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:30] <HostBob> Hello, Logos [20:30] <Grace-VHL> I thought the peace treaty was signed in 93 [20:30] <Bezalel-VHL> The world will come against Israel [20:30] <HostBob> The original one, Jerry? [20:30] <LOGOS-VHL> 3GREETING [20:30] <Jerry-VHL> Hi logo [20:30] dovecry-VHL [~dovecry-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:30] <Jerry-VHL> Yes Bob [20:31] <Grace-VHL> Bez...I believe we are well on our way to the day of the world standing against Israel.. [20:31] <Perpetua-VHL> 2Where are we told about the destruction of Damascus (excuse my ignorance I am a new eager Christian) [20:31] <HostBob> The original Camp David, in 1978, was to work out a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel [20:31] <Gran-VHL> 5petua that comes up every week very interesting subject and you are doing fine [20:31] <HostBob> It's Isaiah 17, Perpetua [20:32] <Kathy-VHL> Petua it is in Zach [20:32] <HostBob> there too :) [20:32] <Jerry-VHL> Does this accord play into this anywhere and if so where [20:32] <Called_out-VHL> Petua we all have much to learn :) [20:32] <HostBob> The Oslo agreement in 1993 was not really a "peace treaty" [20:32] kwgale-VHL [~kwgale-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:32] <HostBob> it was a an outline in interim steps and principles to lead to a "peace treaty" [20:32] <LOGOS-VHL> 3MUCH TO LEARN AND SO LITTLE TIME! [20:32] <HostBob> but what it really was... [20:33] <tribarmo-VHL> Are there any big battles in prophecy before the Rapture, and that is if you believe a pre-trib Rapture? [20:33] <HostBob> was a very bad agreement for Israel - giving much, getting little [20:33] <Called_out-VHL> Amen Logos ;) [20:33] <Gran-VHL> 5:) bob the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel is still in effect isn't it [20:33] <HostBob> yes, Gran [20:33] <Perpetua-VHL> 2How important is this meeting at camp David? Interesting it is called David. [20:33] DonB-VHL [~DonB-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:33] <Kathy-VHL> Bob I was reading today in Ezekiel 35 and it talks about Mt Seir do you know where that is located [20:33] <Grace-VHL> The more I think about the size of Israel in comparison to the other Arab nations surrounding her, and the fact that they want to take the little piece of land Israel has the more I believe the "rulers" and players are literally mad..deceived and everything you could ascribe to their efforts [20:33] kwgale-VHL [~kwgale-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (kwgale-VHL has left the room) [20:33] <HostBob> Trib, if one is pre-trib, the line is that nothing has to precede it [20:34] <Perpetua-VHL> 2Logos I hope I am learning lots of this form the Master Himself [20:34] <HostBob> Kathy, Mt Seir is Esau's land [20:34] <tribarmo-VHL> Thank you, just wondered/ [20:34] <HostBob> in what is today Jordan [20:34] <Kathy-VHL> is it prestnt day Israel [20:34] <Kathy-VHL> ok [20:34] <Gran-VHL> 5:) petua it was named Camp David after the grandson of the then Pres. Eisenhower [20:34] <Grace-VHL> To think that after 2000 years of exile, torment, murder, and the holocaust Israel is being persecuted within and from without. Praise G-d he has the final say in all this madness [20:34] <Jerry-VHL> Is the final status talks of Jerusalem going to be the agreement that will lead to the WAR [20:35] <HostBob> Once again, if we miss a question or comment, please repeat - it's hard to catch everything [20:35] <Perpetua-VHL> 2I know but I always think of King David [20:35] <Grace-VHL> Jerry...I think so...it all lines up [20:35] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes petua i thought you might be too young to know how it was named [20:36] <dovecry-VHL> 2Yes interesting. Shalom all. Hello my friends. Hi! Bob:-) [20:36] <Jerry-VHL> Isn't this one of the issues being dealt with at the present time at Camp David [20:36] <HostBob> Hello, Dovecry! [20:36] <Gran-VHL> 5and yes King David he would be very upset over the whole thing [20:36] <HostBob> What, Jerry? [20:36] <Jerry-VHL> Hi Dovecry [20:36] <Grace-VHL> Sorry to change the subject but I just had to unload and say these things... [20:36] <HostBob> Yes, I would think he IS upset :) [20:36] <Gran-VHL> 5:) dove shalom [20:36] <humble_heart-VHL> 12hello Dovecry [20:36] <dovecry-VHL> 2I'm just reading along [20:36] <humble_heart-VHL> 12brb [20:36] <Judy-VHL> 3Hi Dove, Humble, and DonB [20:36] <Jerry-VHL> When they are done at camp david, will they have a final status on Jerusalem agreement [20:36] <HostBob> After the fight he went through to take Jerusalem from the Jebusites in the first place :) [20:36] <DonB-VHL> 14hi Judy [20:36] <dovecry-VHL> 2Hi humble_heart [20:37] <HostBob> Perhaps not, Jerry [20:37] <Gran-VHL> 5:) sorry Bob wrong verb [20:37] <Gran-VHL> 5or adverb whatever [20:37] <tribarmo-VHL> Good night, you all. My daughter wants to use the computer. [20:37] <HostBob> In fact, it's not likely that they will [20:37] <Gran-VHL> 5not good in english [20:37] <HostBob> Night, Trib... [20:37] tribarmo-VHL [~tribarmo-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (tribarmo-VHL has left the room) [20:37] <Grace-VHL> tribarmo.....shalom and lila tov [20:37] <HostBob> check the transcript tomorrow :) [20:37] <Called_out-VHL> Night Trib [20:37] <Jerry-VHL> I thought there was a deadline for this agreement. [20:37] <Perpetua-VHL> 2IIf Barak concedes part of Jerusalem does his government have the power to reverse the decision? [20:37] <Gran-VHL> 5Trib god bless you come back on Mon [20:37] <Jerry-VHL> bye trib [20:37] <HostBob> Sept 13 is when the Palestinians have threatened... [20:38] <LOGOS-VHL> 3WE ALL KNOW TIME IS SHORT , SO LET'S BE CAREFUL AND NOT TREAT THE SYMTOM AND FORGET THE CAUSE! [20:38] <HostBob> to unilaterally declare a state if no agreement is reached [20:38] <HostBob> yes, Logos? [20:38] <light2-VHL> Jerry it is very unlikely that these peace agreements wil accomplish anything since the stance that the palatinians have are that Israel committed war crimes when it took the land iniatially [20:38] <Grace-VHL> LOGOS...Amen... [20:38] <Grace-VHL> What suggestions would you like to encourage us with...pour it on.... [20:39] <HostBob> We know the cause, and the outcome :) God is bring glory to Himself by bringing Israel back to Him [20:39] <HostBob> slowly, and surely [20:39] <Grace-VHL> Amen...Bob... [20:39] <light2-VHL> Also they ( the palestians have backing of EU, pope, Germany and many other countries, giving money and aid [20:39] <Bezalel-VHL> Slowly, Bob? [20:39] <Grace-VHL> Yes, the slow part is like a long long labour... [20:39] <HostBob> well, it seems slow to us :) [20:39] <dovecry-VHL> 2do you think that will happen Bob? If no agreement is reached? [20:39] <LOGOS-VHL> 3KNOWLEDGE IS GREAT; BUT TO PUT IT TO GODLY USE IS EVEN GREATER. [20:40] larry-VHL [~larry-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:40] <Jerry-VHL> So you believe were talking a long time in this process before Christ returns [20:40] <HostBob> yes, dovecry [20:40] <HostBob> they will declare their state, and war will erupt [20:40] <larry-VHL> hi everyone [20:40] <HostBob> Welcome, Larry! [20:40] <Perpetua-VHL> 2Don't you ever wish Christ would return quickly? [20:40] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Lary [20:40] <Gran-VHL> 5:) what ever Barak signs has to be ratified by the Knesses:) [20:40] <Grace-VHL> Bob...do you think war will definitely erupt.... [20:40] <LOGOS-VHL> 3HELLO LARRY [20:40] <Called_out-VHL> If war erupts, it will be just another battle? [20:40] <larry-VHL> hi kathy [20:40] <light2-VHL> Jerry Christ could come any time [20:40] <larry-VHL> logos [20:40] <Jerry-VHL> Soon in Sept. you think WAR or battle will take place Bob/ [20:40] <HostBob> Grace, a long labor... didn't Jesus say something about the beginning of birth pangs? [20:41] <Gran-VHL> 5larry shalom [20:41] <larry-VHL> gran [20:41] <HostBob> I'm not a prophet by any means, but if I had to make a guess, I would say war by the end of the year [20:41] <Bezalel-VHL> We're seeing the birth pangs every day, aren't we Bob [20:41] <Grace-VHL> Bob...I know the O.T. makes reference in several places.... [20:41] <Jerry-VHL> the contractions are getting closer togehter is seems [20:41] <dovecry-VHL> 2Forgive me for being ignorant, but what does this mean for Israel? [20:41] <Judy-VHL> 3Grace......some scuffle has to occur......what about Isaiah 17:1 [20:41] <HostBob> Yes, Perpetua, we all wish He would come back very soon [20:41] <Gran-VHL> 5:) BOB you know it is not just the land they all want and they all want it . It is to kill all the Jews [20:41] <light2-VHL> Bob don't you find it interesting that the symbol the EU uses is a crown of 12 stars [20:41] <LOGOS-VHL> 3JUST A QUESTION; WHERE DOES THE USA FIT IN TO ALL THIS? [20:41] <Perpetua-VHL> 2Does the rapture of the Church come before or after the War? [20:42] <light2-VHL> Compare with Rev 12 [20:42] <HostBob> Wow, 15 questions at once :) [20:42] <Grace-VHL> Jerry...Yes...I have already born 5 kids....this one is the toughest...yet it will produce G-d's glory...Praise G-d! [20:42] <HostBob> Dovecry, I think the Isaiah 17 scenario is just about ready to erupt [20:43] <Gran-VHL> 5LOGOS it is hard at this point to say becasue the US used to be a friend to Isreal but with 8 years of slick willie and 4 years of G Bush a lot of damage has been done [20:43] <dovecry-VHL> 2:-):-):-) [20:43] <HostBob> Yes, the US is supposedly Israel's friend.... [20:43] Perpetua-VHL [~Perpetua-VHL@proxy13.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Chitchat [20:43] <HostBob> but you KNOW a lot of Clinton armtwisting is happening [20:43] <HostBob> in that summit [20:43] <Jerry-VHL> Trying to keep the peace while dividing Jerusalem my bring the scuffle that will draw the natins against Israel [20:43] <larry-VHL> so are we talking about the rapture? [20:43] <Grace-VHL> Judy.....I am not certain about the occurences in Damascus... [20:44] <Grace-VHL> Jerry...for certain...how could it not... [20:44] <LOGOS-VHL> 3ISN'T IT A SHAME THAT "CHRISTIAN AMERICA" IS HAVING MISSIONARIES SENT HERE TO PREACH THE GOSPEL!!! [20:44] <Grace-VHL> The U.N. has a far greater hand than most people realize I believe [20:44] <Grace-VHL> Afterall it was the U.N. that voted Israel into existence in 48 [20:44] <Jerry-VHL> The Jew will not let it go so easily. We may see am international WACO incident [20:45] <Grace-VHL> Jerry....possibly...the Palestinians give glory to those who start uprisings...\ [20:45] <larry-VHL> i don't expect much to happen in the summit [20:46] <HostBob> The UN has it's objectives, the EU has it's, the US has it's, the Vatican also.... But God has HIS objectives :) [20:46] <Jerry-VHL> What of this hunger strike. What is there intentions. What are they striving for. [20:46] <light2-VHL> Listen the strategic partnerships of the UN, such as Havard and the Ecology and Religion section, have called the Jews and Christians enemies to ecology [20:46] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Slick Willie is not there ritht now it is Madalines turn [20:46] <DonB-VHL> 14brb [20:46] DonB-VHL [~DonB-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (DonB-VHL has left the room) [20:46] <Grace-VHL> Bob....'Amen to that... [20:46] <light2-VHL> Because we hold to God above Nature and this world as corrupting [20:46] <Bezalel-VHL> And God wins, Bob! [20:47] <light2-VHL> So they don't like Jews or Christians [20:47] <HostBob> Yes, the Harry Potter craze is evidence of the corruption of the world [20:47] <Judy-VHL> 3Light, we seem to be the enemy, in general, anymore. [20:47] <Grace-VHL> larry....I get that sense also...anything that happens I think will be designed to smooth the psyche of Israel, the Palestinians, and the world...I think they are beginning to understand they are holding one hot, hot potato [20:47] <HostBob> widespread embracing of the occult [20:47] <larry-VHL> Romans 16:19 The GOD of peace will soon crush Satan [20:47] <HostBob> yes, Larry :) [20:47] <HostBob> AMEN [20:47] <LOGOS-VHL> 3AMEN! [20:47] humble_heart-VHL [~humble_heart-VHL@proxy13.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (humble_heart-VHL has left the room) [20:47] <Gran-VHL> 5:) some of those animal rights people are really acting like they are crazy one man I heard speak said that the world would be better off if all the humans died [20:47] <Grace-VHL> Bob...That Harry craze is hairer than a gorilla...I am not kidding....it is deep, deep occult stuff... [20:48] <HostBob> Yes, it's very bad [20:48] <Judy-VHL> 3Extreme embracing of the occult.........look at the BIG NEWS about Harry Potter!!!! [20:48] <light2-VHL> I know they are nuts Gram [20:48] <HostBob> I published a commentary on my website today about Harry Potter [20:48] <LOGOS-VHL> 3WHO IS HARRY POTTER [20:48] <light2-VHL> And most would rather save a dog or kitten than a human baby [20:48] <Gran-VHL> 5yes I am just in a tizzy over all the fuss about those books [20:48] <HostBob> It's a childrens book, that has set all kinds of sales and publishing records [20:48] <Jerry-VHL> I heard they expose children to the concept of drinking of blood. [20:48] <Gran-VHL> 5can;t peole see the occult all over them [20:48] pix-VHL [~pix-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:48] <light2-VHL> But God is going to judge them for their wickedness [20:48] <Grace-VHL> Harry Potter is a fictional character designed to "entertain" kids....but the adults have gotten in on the act...The books are full of the occult.. [20:49] <HostBob> and it's all about indoctrinating children into the occult [20:49] hope-VHL [~hope-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:49] Marion-VHL [~Marion-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:49] <Gran-VHL> 5It is scarey what people are doing to thier children [20:49] <Gran-VHL> 5first Pocyman now harry potter [20:49] <Marion-VHL> shalom [20:49] <Grace-VHL> Bob...I didn't know you had a web site...do you mean your pages on VHL? [20:49] <light2-VHL> Yes , we can't talk about God in the Class, but a witch is fine business [20:49] <dovecry-VHL> 2WoW! I just read Isaiah 17, we are there, especially , what do you think about vv.12,13,14? [20:49] <hope-VHL> 3Judy! Hi Bob [20:49] <LOGOS-VHL> 3LOOKS LIKE WE NEED SOME MORE OF DEUT CHP. 6 [20:49] <HostBob> Welcome pix, hope, and Marion! [20:49] <HostBob> no, I have my own site [20:49] <light2-VHL> Bob post Isaiah 17 [20:50] <Judy-VHL> 3Hey HOPE........Good to see you. [20:50] <Grace-VHL> Ahhh...the time is upon us clearly..evil shall be called good...and good shall be called evil... [20:50] <HostBob> ok, let's look at Isaiah 17 :) [20:50] <hope-VHL> 3;) [20:50] <dovecry-VHL> 2Yes [20:50] <Grace-VHL> Bob...then I must go and visit it...before I leave I will get the addy ok? [20:50] <HostBob> "An oracle concerning Damascus: "See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins." (Isaiah 17:1 NIV) [20:50] <Gran-VHL> 5:) hope shalom [20:50] <LOGOS-VHL> 3:-) [20:50] <HostBob> www.trumpetsounds.com [20:50] <Gran-VHL> 5marion and pix welcome [20:50] <HostBob> ok - verse one is rather straightforward, huh? [20:50] <pix-VHL> thank you [20:51] <HostBob> and it has not happened yet [20:51] <Judy-VHL> 3To HOPE:-*;-) [20:51] <Gran-VHL> 5good to see you all again [20:51] <Gran-VHL> 5:) [20:51] <HostBob> Damascus is still a city in Syria [20:51] <light2-VHL> Amen and every word of God is true [20:51] <HostBob> yes, that's right! [20:51] <Jerry-VHL> Is that near Tyre, that Christ said woe unto Tyre andZidon [20:51] <larry-VHL> what does the bible say will happen next? [20:51] <dovecry-VHL> 2yes [20:52] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob and all Gran has to leave you now hate to go but back givning problems need to go lay down pray for my back that is the next that needs surgery [20:52] <HostBob> Tyre is in Lebanon, on the Mediterranean [20:52] farrell-VHL [~farrell-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:52] <HostBob> Gran, blessings to you!!! Shalom! [20:52] <dovecry-VHL> 2ok [20:52] <Bezalel-VHL> Night Gran, go in health, and with God [20:52] <LOGOS-VHL> 3MUST LEAVE NOW , PEACE FROM OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TO ALL! [20:52] <HostBob> ok, more from Isaiah 17... [20:52] <Jerry-VHL> Blessing Gran [20:52] <Gran-VHL> 5shalom dear friend love you all [20:52] <Called_out-VHL> God Bless Gran ;) [20:52] <HostBob> Go with the Lord, LOGOS :) [20:52] <Grace-VHL> At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel. [20:52] <dovecry-VHL> 2yes please [20:52] <larry-VHL> Bye [20:52] Gran-VHL [~Gran-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Gran-VHL has left the room) [20:52] <hope-VHL> 37night Gran [20:52] <HostBob> "The cities of Aroer will be deserted and left to flocks, which will lie down, with no one to make them afraid." (Isaiah 17:2 NIV) [20:52] <Jerry-VHL> Good night Logo [20:52] <Grace-VHL> Shalom Logos... [20:52] LOGOS-VHL [~LOGOS-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (LOGOS-VHL has left the room) [20:52] <dovecry-VHL> 2Bless you friend,love [20:53] <HostBob> "Aroer" is in present day Jordan [20:53] <Called_out-VHL> Bye Logos :) [20:53] <Kathy-VHL> Bob Palestine was the land of the Philistens right where Goliath was from was that part of the land that God gave Israel and how did it become Palestine [20:53] <HostBob> hold that ?, ok? ;) [20:53] <HostBob> "The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim, and royal power from Damascus; the remnant of Aram will be like the glory of the Israelites," declares the LORD Almighty." (Isaiah 17:3 NIV) [20:53] <dovecry-VHL> 2Ok [20:53] <HostBob> V3 is very interesting... [20:54] <HostBob> puzzled me at first [20:54] <Bezalel-VHL> Aram, is Syria Bob? [20:54] <HostBob> if God is judging Syria... [20:54] <HostBob> yes, Bez [20:54] <HostBob> then why "Ephraim"? [20:54] <HostBob> then I realized ... [20:54] <Jerry-VHL> There is a verse that say's the Egypt, Syria and Israel will be one in the end. [20:54] <HostBob> that the "hill country of Ephraim" is in what is today the West Bank [20:54] <HostBob> so... [20:55] <HostBob> I think that is saying (and this fits the situation) that Syria and the Palestinians will join in war [20:55] <HostBob> against Israel [20:55] <Grace-VHL> Bob....this is very insightful and interesting... [20:55] <dovecry-VHL> 2is that where alot of the stuff is going on? [20:55] <HostBob> but their "fortifications" in the West Bank will be eliminated [20:55] <light2-VHL> Bob what is the royal power in verse 3? [20:55] <dovecry-VHL> 2the West Bank? [20:56] <HostBob> Assad [20:56] <Grace-VHL> Syria doesn't have a solid formal peace treaty with Israel.... [20:56] <HostBob> leader of Damascus [20:56] <HostBob> right, Grace, actually... [20:56] <Grace-VHL> The bible says Gaza shall be a waste... [20:56] <HostBob> they are still formally at a state of war [20:56] <HostBob> have been for decades [20:56] <Jerry-VHL> brb [20:56] <Grace-VHL> they have been bantering with Israel..but no committments made.... [20:57] <light2-VHL> Yes somewhere I read that the palestinians want Israelie settlements out of the west bank [20:57] <Grace-VHL> Gaza is part of the West bank isn't it? [20:57] <HostBob> I have written a further analysis of the Isaiah 17 prophecies.. [20:57] <hope-VHL> 79brb, trying another connection [20:57] <HostBob> it's on VHL and my website [20:57] hope-VHL [~hope-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (hope-VHL has left the room) [20:57] <HostBob> no, Gaza is on the southern mediteranean coast [20:57] <light2-VHL> Is it too long to share here Bob? [20:58] <HostBob> near the border with Sinai [20:58] Larry-VHL170 [~Larry-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:58] <larry-VHL> what is your web address? [20:58] <HostBob> yes, light [20:58] <HostBob> www.trumpetsounds.com [20:58] monak-VHL [~monak-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [20:58] <light2-VHL> Will we find it on the first page of your website? [20:58] <Grace-VHL> Ok, now I am confused...I thought the Gaza strip was land given to Arafat... [20:58] <HostBob> Welcome, Larry, and Monak [20:59] <Larry-VHL170> hi [20:59] <HostBob> look on the "Writings" section on my website, or the "prophecy" channel on VHL [20:59] <Judy-VHL> 3Hello Farrel [20:59] <Marion-VHL> hi Larry [20:59] <Judy-VHL> 3How are you? [20:59] <monak-VHL> thank you Bob, this is prophecy chat right [20:59] <HostBob> Yes, Monak, this is it :) [20:59] <Larry-VHL170> it is? [20:59] <larry-VHL> thanks [20:59] <farrell-VHL> 2I am slow in catching up on the topic tonight. Shalom brothers and sisters:) [20:59] <monak-VHL> it is listed as chitchat [20:59] <HostBob> we have 2 larrys :) [20:59] <dovecry-VHL> 2I'm sorry, I just have trouble understanding why they want to fight like they are. I may have asked you this before, but do both sides believe in God's Word? [20:59] <Grace-VHL> Shalom Farrell... [20:59] <Marion-VHL> it says chit chat [21:00] <Larry-VHL170> oh. [21:00] <HostBob> It's the weekly prophecy chat... the room has the wrong name [21:00] <light2-VHL> Bob check out what Isaiah says about Damascus [21:00] <larry-VHL> hello larry [21:00] <light2-VHL> Damascus is waxed feeble, and turneth herself to flee, and fear hath seized on her: anguish and sorrows have taken her, as a woman in travail. [21:00] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom Grace, Judy, Bob [21:00] <Grace-VHL> dovecry...not the Muslims...they adhere to the Koran which is flagrant in the light of G-d's Word... [21:00] <HostBob> Yes, Light [21:00] <light2-VHL> sorry I meant Jerimiah Jer 49:24 [21:01] <HostBob> Dove, unfortunately, very few Jewish people regard the Bible as God's word [21:01] <HostBob> in the sense that we do, taking it literally [21:01] <Jerry-VHL> I saw on the New that most Israeli's want to have a secular state [21:01] <HostBob> and believing that it is inerrant, God's authoritative message to us [21:02] <Kathy-VHL> Bob is there Bible the same as our Okd Testament [21:02] <HostBob> Yes, Kathy [21:02] <light2-VHL> I have been reading the Biography of Shimon Perez [21:02] <monak-VHL> 6what does secular state mean [21:02] <HostBob> Secular means non-religious [21:02] <HostBob> oh, light? [21:03] <light2-VHL> Most of the State of Israel was built on principals of Marxism [21:03] <Jerry-VHL> But I thought it was under Zionism [21:03] <light2-VHL> Sorry it is Shimon Peres [21:03] <HostBob> yes, most of the original Zionists were socialists, not religious Jews [21:03] <monak-VHL> 6why would they want to give up their position, a nation created by God [21:03] <Bezalel-VHL> So was the state of Utah, Light [21:03] <Kathy-VHL> Bob do you think the Jews as a people will accept Christ before His return in Glory [21:04] <Jerry-VHL> But the Zionist mandate was based on biblical idea of return [21:04] <HostBob> Monak, that's a very good question.... [21:04] <HostBob> and it requires a very complicated answer .... [21:04] <HostBob> Let's all focus on Monak's question [21:04] <HostBob> what happened to the Jewish people? [21:04] <dovecry-VHL> 2WoW, I knew there were people of different religons, but I thought everyone knew, I know there are those who worship idols, but I just assumed everyone had an inborn knowledge of our El Shaddai.:-O [21:04] incense11 [~incense1@proxy13.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [21:05] <HostBob> Welcome, incense! [21:05] <incense11> is this prophecy room [21:05] <incense11> hi bob [21:05] <light2-VHL> They were dispersed [21:05] <Jerry-VHL> Hi incense [21:05] <Called_out-VHL> The expected the Messia to be an earthly King. [21:05] <incense11> hi herry [21:05] <HostBob> Yes, it is, incense :) [21:05] <incense11> what you mean light [21:05] hope-VHL [~hope-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [21:05] <Judy-VHL> 3Dove......I think we all do have an innate knowledge of the one true God.....but many turn the other ear, I guess. [21:05] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob doesn't Scripture say that the Jews will be gathered back to the land in unbelief? [21:05] <Larry-VHL170> about Monak's question? [21:05] <Grace-VHL> dovecry...no way...! The Palestinian children are indoctrinated from the cradle up to hate Israel...most of them... [21:06] <hope-VHL> 4back [21:06] <incense11> jerry.....sorry about that [21:06] <HostBob> Yes, not those exact words, farrell, I don't think, but to that effect [21:06] <Judy-VHL> 3WB HOPESTER [21:07] <dovecry-VHL> 2I guess I've been in a box. [21:07] <farrell-VHL> 2So to Kathy's question, will they accept Christ before His return in Glory? [21:07] <HostBob> Yes, Larry? [21:07] <light2-VHL> Grace there are some Israeli sympathizers among the palestianians, but they get killed by radical muslims [21:07] <Grace-VHL> ok...the eyes have had it....I bide all lila tov....shalom, truth, joy, hope, and love in the Messiah.... [21:07] <HostBob> Night, Grace :) Rest well :) [21:07] <Larry-VHL170> Do the people really want to give up the land? Or is it the politicians? [21:07] <Judy-VHL> 3But GRACE.....God says that He does give each one of us the inner knowing of God....but of course many, many do not hear His voice. [21:07] <Bezalel-VHL> Night, Gracie [21:07] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom Grace:) [21:08] <dovecry-VHL> 2bye grace thanks, love [21:08] <Jerry-VHL> bye Grace [21:08] <incense11> lila tov grace [21:08] <HostBob> Monak, God chose Abraham to make a great nation from him [21:08] <Grace-VHL> Judy....I would like to discuss this but I really must sign off now...can we talk another time? [21:08] <hope-VHL> 4what WAS Monaks question [21:08] <Marion-VHL> Monak all Jews are not religious [21:08] <HostBob> a nation that would bring the knowledge of the true God to the world... [21:08] <hope-VHL> 4goodnight Grace [21:08] <HostBob> but, over time, as we see in the Scriptures, they wandered from God [21:08] <Judy-VHL> 3Oh, sure. Goodnight and God Bless, Gran [21:08] <incense11> many Messianic Jews... Yeshua believing [21:09] <monak-VHL> 6yes, I understand that the Jewish people have lost of their old ways [21:09] <Grace-VHL> Todah Judy...Shalom..... [21:09] Grace-VHL [~Grace-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Grace-VHL has left the room) [21:09] <dovecry-VHL> 2Oh hi Judy, forgive me, I have spagitti for brains sometimes. [21:09] <Judy-VHL> 3I mean Grace.....LOL [21:09] <HostBob> until ultimately, when their promised Messiah appeared, few recognized Him [21:09] <Judy-VHL> 3I said Hi to you Dove.........I love you. [21:09] <dovecry-VHL> 2Bob can you explain Isaiah 17:6? [21:09] <monak-VHL> 6Do you believe that God chose Abraham because of his purity? [21:09] <HostBob> and because of that, God has temporarily "turned His face" from them [21:10] <incense11> Abraham because of his Faith [21:10] <Jerry-VHL> Because he obeyed God [21:10] <Judy-VHL> 3I agree Incense [21:10] <Called_out-VHL> God has temporarily blinded them [21:10] <Jerry-VHL> When God told him to leave Ur - He left. [21:10] <HostBob> Dovecry, verse 4-6 go together I think... [21:10] <dovecry-VHL> 2Thank you so much for your love, my friend. [21:10] <Jerry-VHL> His faith was great [21:11] <light2-VHL> God chooses the simple things of the world to confound the wise [21:11] <HostBob> speaking of what the results will be after Damascus is destroyed.. [21:11] <farrell-VHL> 2But will Israel recognize Jeshua as their Messiah BEFORE He returns in Glory? [21:11] <Jerry-VHL> True light2 [21:11] <Called_out-VHL> God said because the Jewish people would not accept Jesus, He would offer salvation to the Gentiles [21:11] <dovecry-VHL> 2Oh, ok Bob [21:11] <incense11> but he is know in scriptures as the Faith guy, obey is faith [21:11] <Larry-VHL170> I am trying to read the screen as you write. This is challenging [21:11] <HostBob> I don't know, Farrell - shall we look at some verses? [21:12] <farrell-VHL> 2Please?:) [21:12] <hope-VHL> 4good idea [21:12] humble_heart-VHL [~humble_heart-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [21:12] <Larry-VHL170> verses are good [21:12] <hope-VHL> 4;) [21:12] <Kathy-VHL> yes Please [21:12] <Jerry-VHL> Yes, great faith and friend of God [21:12] <HostBob> :) [21:12] <HostBob> ok - let me find some :) [21:12] <light2-VHL> Yes when all else fails, read the Book [21:12] <monak-VHL> 6But what made him different from others? [21:12] <incense11> look in today's life.... many Jews accepting Christ [21:12] <Called_out-VHL> Yes, the directions ;) [21:13] <HostBob> OK - let's start with Hosea [21:13] <dovecry-VHL> 2But what does it mean when he says 'some gleaning will remain, as when an olive tree is beaten? [21:13] <Marion-VHL> V.6 is talking about a remnent [21:13] <HostBob> let me answer the Isaiah 17 ? first :) [21:13] <hope-VHL> 4Hosea what? [21:14] <HostBob> it's saying that as a result of the destruction of Damascus, that Israel will grow "lean" [21:14] <incense11> farrell...many Messianic Congregations starting up all over. You know what they are? [21:14] <HostBob> and will undergo intense international criticism.... [21:14] <hope-VHL> 4Wait......Hosea, what verse [21:14] <HostBob> and because of that, in v 7, will begin looking ot the Lord [21:14] <HostBob> I'm still in Isaiah 17 :) [21:14] <HostBob> ok , going to Hosea now [21:14] <farrell-VHL> 2Yes incense, I do. I love and respect them. My doctor is one of them:) [21:14] <hope-VHL> 4sorry ;) [21:14] <HostBob> chapter 3 [21:15] <light2-VHL> Amen an answer to our prayer for them [21:15] <incense11> cool....farrell [21:15] <Jerry-VHL> He was willing to leave the fruitful land of Babylon to follow after God. He was a very generous at heart type of person. He told Lot to choose the land he would have and he took the less healthy looking land. God knew his heart was kind [21:15] <HostBob> someone tells us the main story of Hosea [21:15] <HostBob> in summary [21:15] <dovecry-VHL> 2Thanks Bob, I think I understand now [21:15] <HostBob> you're welcome :) [21:15] <Larry-VHL170> Hosea married a prostitute [21:15] <HostBob> yes, and? [21:15] <farrell-VHL> 2The prostitute is Israel? [21:16] <HostBob> God told him to - why? [21:16] <Larry-VHL170> Both a woman, and prophetic? [21:16] <incense11> he marries a Harlot and buys her back... like God's bride (Israel) left him for other Gods and he bought us back..... [21:16] <light2-VHL> And want about her sister? [21:16] <dovecry-VHL> 2:-) [21:16] <Called_out-VHL> brb [21:16] <Larry-VHL170> her sister? [21:16] <HostBob> ok... good.. so now... [21:16] Called_out-VHL [~Called_out-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Called_out-VHL has left the room) [21:16] <HostBob> we will look at chapter 3 - this is GOOD STUFF [21:16] <HostBob> :) [21:16] <farrell-VHL> 2:) [21:17] <Larry-VHL170> I like good stuff [21:17] <HostBob> "The LORD said to me, "Go, show your love to your wife again, though she is loved by another and is an adulteress. Love her as the LORD loves the Israelites, though they turn to other gods and love the sacred raisin cakes."" (Hosea 3:1 NIV) [21:17] <hope-VHL> 4!!!!;) [21:17] <HostBob> "So I bought her for fifteen shekels of silver and about a homer and a lethek of barley." (Hosea 3:2 NIV) [21:17] <Marion-VHL> Hosea's purpose was to denounce sin & preach judgement & salvation [21:17] <HostBob> "Then I told her, "You are to live with me many days; you must not be a prostitute or be intimate with any man, and I will live with you."" (Hosea 3:3 NIV) [21:17] <HostBob> OK - this is all an OBJECT LESSION for Israel [21:17] <Jerry-VHL> I must go also, very tired and not able to keep up tonight. Blessing to all [21:17] <HostBob> now - here is the GOOD STUFF: [21:17] <HostBob> night, Jerry :) [21:17] <Larry-VHL170> bye jerry [21:17] <incense11> night Jerry [21:17] <HostBob> "For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol." (Hosea 3:4 NIV) [21:17] <HostBob> "Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days." (Hosea 3:5 NIV) [21:18] <farrell-VHL> 2night jerry:) [21:18] <HostBob> Let's examine that closely [21:18] Jerry-VHL [~Jerry-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Jerry-VHL has left the room) [21:18] <dovecry-VHL> 2O-o-ok now Hosea 3: 1, is a dussy. [21:18] <HostBob> Hosea purchased his wife back... [21:18] <HostBob> but... [21:18] <HostBob> he was not intimate with her for many days [21:18] <monak-VHL> 6so are you saying that Israel is in that time now, where they have turned away [21:18] <Larry-VHL170> If she was his wife, why did he purchase her back? [21:19] <HostBob> because she had sold herself into prostitution [21:19] <Larry-VHL170> ok. she sold her self and he bought her out of it? [21:19] <incense11> she was being sold again and God told Hosea to buy her [21:19] <HostBob> yes, Larry [21:19] <dovecry-VHL> 2OK, example, like what is going on over in the east? [21:20] <HostBob> what are the characteristics of the "many days" in v 4? [21:20] <Larry-VHL170> like Jesus did for me. I like that [21:20] <HostBob> this is a very specific prophecy for Israel [21:20] <hope-VHL> 4this is soooo interesting! New to me!!! :) [21:20] <HostBob> no King - no Temple, no priest [21:20] <light2-VHL> They are without leadership [21:20] <hope-VHL> 4the time of the Gentiles? [21:20] <HostBob> right? [21:20] <HostBob> yes! [21:20] <farrell-VHL> 2right [21:20] <Larry-VHL170> ok [21:20] <HostBob> this is a prophecy of the "many days" after 70 AD [21:21] <HostBob> God foretold this period for Israel [21:21] <HostBob> BUT.... [21:21] <HostBob> remember the analogy? [21:21] <HostBob> the "many days" is like with Hosea [21:21] <HostBob> after the many days he would once again be intimate with her [21:21] <HostBob> right [21:21] <HostBob> ? [21:21] <Larry-VHL170> ok [21:21] <incense11> right [21:21] <HostBob> and here is the climax: [21:21] <hope-VHL> 4does it mention HOW MANY days? [21:22] <HostBob> "Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days." (Hosea 3:5 NIV) [21:22] <light2-VHL> Yes they will be saved for His name sake [21:22] <farrell-VHL> 2You mean God is not relating to Israel in today's days? When will He? [21:22] <HostBob> actually, it does later, hope, but hold on to that :) [21:22] <dovecry-VHL> 2And V, 4, the Jewish people are now wanting to rebuild the alter for sacrifice, and are remaking the utincles? [21:22] <HostBob> look at verse 5 [21:22] <light2-VHL> He is dealing with them farrell, just not like the church at this time [21:22] <hope-VHL> 4O,K. ;) [21:22] <HostBob> yes, dove [21:23] <HostBob> what does v5 say? [21:23] <HostBob> "Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days." (Hosea 3:5 NIV) [21:23] <hope-VHL> 4they will return [21:23] <HostBob> This is a partial answer to your question, Farrell [21:23] <farrell-VHL> 2Are they doing that yet? [21:23] <dovecry-VHL> 2Yes we are there. [21:23] <HostBob> "David" is not really David, but the Son of David, the Messiah [21:23] <incense11> YES [21:23] <HostBob> a few are [21:23] <HostBob> but not many yet [21:24] <light2-VHL> Has it ever occured to you that if Israel makes a deal with the Vatican, they won't have to build a temple to offer a sacrafice?? [21:24] <farrell-VHL> 2but more and more:) [21:24] <HostBob> yes, more and more :) [21:24] <light2-VHL> Every day the priest offers the sacrafice of the mass [21:24] <monak-VHL> 6are you talking about the whole nation [21:24] <farrell-VHL> 2Why would they do that light? [21:24] <Larry-VHL170> so He is drawing them after Him [21:24] pix-VHL [~pix-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (pix-VHL has left the room) [21:25] <HostBob> Yes, He is drawing them, but they will seek "trembling" [21:25] <light2-VHL> Because they are going to make a deal with the "Man of Sin" [21:25] <HostBob> why trembling? [21:25] <farrell-VHL> 2why? [21:25] <monak-VHL> 6so they will suffer disasters first [21:25] <hope-VHL> 4because they recognize Him? [21:25] <Larry-VHL170> In repentance, maybe? Or awe? [21:25] <hope-VHL> 4the pierced ONE [21:25] <HostBob> good answers, I think [21:25] <dovecry-VHL> 2He's talking about when Jesus comes back, is it the prophecy of when He returns? [21:25] <light2-VHL> But remember Bob that is not till He comes [21:26] <HostBob> isn't this a terrific prophecy? [21:26] <hope-VHL> 4AWESOME! [21:26] <HostBob> it says [21:26] <dovecry-VHL> 2V.1Hosea 3 [21:26] <HostBob> "in the last days" [21:26] <light2-VHL> They still have to go thru the Trib with man of sin [21:26] <dovecry-VHL> 2Yes! it is awesome. [21:26] <Larry-VHL170> Wouldn't He draw them to Him before He comes? Could that be why the regathering? [21:26] <HostBob> yes, light, but consider this... [21:27] humble_heart-VHL [~humble_heart-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (humble_heart-VHL has left the room) [21:27] <HostBob> let's say they are duped into making a covenant with the man of sin.... [21:27] <monak-VHL> 6Are you saying that when we see Israel begin to Tremble we can be sure the end is near [21:27] <hope-VHL> 4which we know they will be... [21:27] <HostBob> but then, in "the middle of the week" he turns on them... [21:27] <HostBob> and sets himself up as "god" in the temple [21:27] <HostBob> would that not give them more cause to seek their true Messiah? [21:28] <dovecry-VHL> 2WoW! WoW!:-O [21:28] <HostBob> Yes, Monak? [21:28] <monak-VHL> 6or is this during the tribulation [21:28] <hope-VHL> 4YES, of course [21:28] <Larry-VHL170> yes. can they be forgiven then for making the deal? [21:28] <incense11> Jews know one thing for sure [21:28] <light2-VHL> Yes but only the remnant the rest will be blinded [21:28] <Larry-VHL170> Why only the remnant? [21:28] <hope-VHL> 4the ones that REFUSE the mark of the beast, OF COURSE they'll be forgiven [21:29] <HostBob> Where does it say that, Light? Not disputing you, just want to understand for myself [21:29] <incense11> when they set up an alter and MAN stops it.... they will flea to the mountains,, cos they know GOD said to [21:29] <Larry-VHL170> ok, so they make covenant without taking the mark. [21:29] <Marion-VHL> Those that repent & accept Jesus will be forgiven [21:29] <HostBob> Right, the "mark" is in the last 3 1/2 years [21:29] <light2-VHL> Rev 14 I think [21:29] <hope-VHL> 4the mark isn't mandatory until the ....... [21:29] <HostBob> after he has declared himself god and demanded worship [21:29] <hope-VHL> 4;) [21:30] <farrell-VHL> 2I'm strill having difficulty with whether or not the church is present during the tribulation. Can someone explain if gentiles will become believers along with the Jews during the tribulation? [21:30] <hope-VHL> 4right, Marion [21:30] <HostBob> Farrell, you and everyone else :) [21:30] <light2-VHL> Romans 11:7 [21:30] <Larry-VHL170> I hope I hope they do [21:30] <farrell-VHL> 2Well, Bob, I thought you could tell me :):) [21:30] <HostBob> I think we will be here, and most of us will be martyred [21:30] <hope-VHL> 4I'm not touching THAT one......;) Judy.... [21:30] <Judy-VHL> 3Why wouldn't they? [21:31] <Judy-VHL> 3OOOHHH BOB [21:31] <Kathy-VHL> I dont think we will be here [21:31] <Judy-VHL> 3Love you [21:31] <incense11> farrell, you have 3 ppl. Post, Mid-Trib and After.... [21:31] <Marion-VHL> I know most here are not , but I am pretrib. [21:31] <HostBob> that is what Daniel and Revelation seem to indicate [21:31] <hope-VHL> 4I AGREE BOB [21:31] <HostBob> that's ok, Marion :) I hope it is pre-trib :) [21:31] <Judy-VHL> 3OOOHHH HOPE..........Love you too [21:31] <Marion-VHL> Many will accept Christ after the rapture [21:31] <light2-VHL> Daniel says the wise will be tested [21:31] <Kathy-VHL> I am pre trib too [21:31] <farrell-VHL> 2Well, we know that God knows and that is sufficient for me :) [21:31] <HostBob> yes :) [21:31] <hope-VHL> 4NO, incense, there are four positions.......prewrath too [21:32] <light2-VHL> also says many wise will fall , and be made purified [21:32] <Judy-VHL> 3Count me in with you Marion!! [21:32] <dovecry-VHL> 2Personally I choose to look at what the Lord did with Enoch, and Elijah. And I think of my God, is with us who believe and stand firm no matter what. He will protect us. [21:32] <light2-VHL> You are never under Gods wrath in Christ [21:32] <Larry-VHL170> Pre wrath? [21:32] <HostBob> I agree [21:32] <Kathy-VHL> but it also says God will send them strong delusion so that they believe a lie [21:32] <light2-VHL> But that does not mean you will not suffer persecution [21:32] <hope-VHL> 4AMEN DOVECRY [21:32] <Marion-VHL> Farrell we need to know too [21:33] <dovecry-VHL> 2Only our Lord knows [21:33] <incense11> never heard pre wrath [21:33] <light2-VHL> Everyone of the Apostles died a martrys death [21:33] <dovecry-VHL> 2but I believe He will protect us [21:33] <Marion-VHL> yes Larry [21:33] <HostBob> Someone want to explain the "pre wrath" position? [21:33] <light2-VHL> And the mature in Christ are to seek to glorify the Lord in all things [21:33] <Larry-VHL170> Its possible we could be martyred before Tribulation as we know it too, I think [21:33] <incense11> well, there will be lots go in what we call Rapture, [21:33] <HostBob> Of course... [21:33] <Marion-VHL> God would not pour out the wrath to come on His saints [21:33] <farrell-VHL> 2I know we do Marion but we might not know until we see Jesus. In the meantime, we just live on faith just like Abraham did:) [21:34] <HostBob> the VHL prophecy channel has very good explanations of all of the theories [21:34] <hope-VHL> 4no more comments on this, but PREWRATH.....is explained on the virtual holyland site....and also [21:34] <light2-VHL> Americans always think they should get an easy out [21:34] <HostBob> yes, Larry [21:34] <farrell-VHL> 2How do we find that, Bob? [21:34] <Larry-VHL170> I can find it where? [21:34] <dovecry-VHL> 2we may, but we will be in our God's hands [21:34] <hope-VHL> 4The Sign , The Rapture Question answered Plain and Simple by Robert Van Kampen....and [21:34] B1racing [~B1racing@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [21:34] <HostBob> from the VHL site, click on "Prophecy" on the colored picture near the top [21:34] <hope-VHL> 4The Prewrath Rapture of the Church by Marvin Rosenthal [21:35] <dovecry-VHL> 2I say anyway, 'MARANATHA' Come quickly Lord. [21:35] <HostBob> lots of good articles and resources there [21:35] <hope-VHL> 4I believe the other sites are www.signministries.org and www.zionshope.org [21:35] <Judy-VHL> 3I believe we will be gone and then the ones who come to Him during the tribulation, they (most) will be martyred. Look at the persecuted Christians of today......they are not being protected. In some things the Lord will protect the believers during the tribulation.....like the sting of the locusts?? Or whatever that is. [21:35] <farrell-VHL> 2Thanks will check it out. :) I have sites stacked up to check out and can't seem to get to all of them. [21:36] <HostBob> Hannah, who will be reading the transcript, works very hard at VHL to provide us with good inspiring information on the VHL prophecy channel [21:36] <incense11> God just said they we will not go thru his Wrath.... [21:36] <Kathy-VHL> http://www.novia.net/~todd/ [21:36] <light2-VHL> Yes even in Martrydom we are protected, because we will not perish with unbelievers [21:36] <incense11> christians being killed today is not God's wrath [21:37] <hope-VHL> 4Marion, Yes God will NOT pour out HIS wrath on His saints......I agree [21:37] <Judy-VHL> 3That part is true, Light......even if they die a physical death, they shall live in peace. [21:37] <light2-VHL> Like Christ said, Not a hair of your head shall perish [21:37] <dovecry-VHL> 2am i on [21:37] <HostBob> correct it's not... and in fact.... [21:37] <light2-VHL> We already have eternal life, that can never be taken from us [21:37] <Marion-VHL> I can not see the beautiful bride of Christ going through the wrath [21:37] <light2-VHL> No not ever [21:37] <HostBob> Christians being killed is one of the main REASONS for God's wrath [21:37] <Judy-VHL> 3No I know it.........but they are still not being protected from death by the Lord, Incense. [21:37] <hope-VHL> 4Farrell, these sites are WELL worth your time [21:37] <dovecry-VHL> 2My computer is going nuts and I'm still on [21:37] <farrell-VHL> 2Thanks hope :) [21:37] <hope-VHL> 4AMEN BOB [21:37] <Kathy-VHL> Well to me the Bible focus goes back to Israel when the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled so it sounds to me like it is over for the Gentiles who did not believe before that time ends [21:37] <light2-VHL> Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of His Saints [21:37] <Marion-VHL> amen light [21:38] <HostBob> You guys ever see the movie Braveheart? [21:38] <Judy-VHL> 3We can see you DOVE [21:38] <hope-VHL> 4your welcome Farrell ;) [21:38] <hope-VHL> 4YES bob [21:38] <Larry-VHL170> I saw it [21:38] <light2-VHL> Yes Bob [21:38] <HostBob> You remember what happened? Mel Gibsons young bride was murdered? [21:38] <HostBob> and the most power scene.... [21:38] <dovecry-VHL> 2No, Too much blood for me Bob [21:38] <hope-VHL> 4go on... [21:39] <Judy-VHL> 3YES BOB........FREEDOM! [21:39] <Marion-VHL> Bob isn't the wath of God & armegedon because of israel & all of those against her [21:39] <Marion-VHL> not the christians [21:39] <Judy-VHL> 3I loved that movie. [21:39] <HostBob> is when Braveheart rides in on the horse, full of wrath, to take vengenance for the killing of His bride [21:39] <hope-VHL> 4COOL analogy!!!! [21:39] <HostBob> next time you see it, think of Jesus on the horse [21:39] <farrell-VHL> 2So did I, Judy!! [21:39] <HostBob> it's very powerful [21:39] <hope-VHL> 4I have the movie, and I will! [21:39] <dovecry-VHL> 2I lost my free server banners, they went white, but I'm still on. WoW! Praise the Lord! [21:39] <light2-VHL> Yes and not only that, Christ also said not to fear them who can kill the body [21:40] <light2-VHL> But fear Him , who has power to cast your soul into hell after the body is killed [21:40] <Judy-VHL> 3Right Light [21:40] <light2-VHL> Our life is like a Vapor [21:40] <HostBob> Marion, one reason for God's wrath is the murder of His people [21:40] <incense11> So, who thinks Bill, Barak and Arafat will make a deal [21:40] <HostBob> that's in Revelation [21:40] Marion-VHL [~Marion-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Chitchat [21:41] Marion-VHL774 [~Marion-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [21:41] <Larry-VHL170> Christians were martyred to the lions in Rome, too [21:41] <light2-VHL> And only the Lord knows how long we have to live for Him [21:41] <Judy-VHL> 3God never promised following Him would be easy or unlimited protection while living here. [21:41] <farrell-VHL> 2Can't see it happening, incense. [21:41] <dovecry-VHL> 2Yes, and Jesus has taken the sting out of death! [21:41] <light2-VHL> Amen Death where is thy Victory?? [21:41] <Larry-VHL170> If a deal is made, I think Barak will be tossed out of office [21:41] <hope-VHL> 4I agree JUDY [21:42] <Bezalel-VHL> Larry, I think Barak is already as good as removed from office [21:42] <light2-VHL> The present sufferings are not worthy to be compared to the Glory that shall be revealed [21:42] <incense11> Clinton is getting money under table,, they all want it to be done in their power of time [21:42] <Judy-VHL> 3We do agree HOPE [21:42] <Judy-VHL> 3LOL [21:42] <farrell-VHL> 2Amen light! [21:42] <hope-VHL> 4FINALLY!!! ;) [21:42] <dovecry-VHL> 2But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through Jesus Christ our Lord [21:42] <light2-VHL> Amen Dovecry [21:42] <Judy-VHL> 3:-O [21:43] <incense11> but that is prophecy.. that all nations will turn against Israel [21:43] <light2-VHL> Yes and so many say, why should I care [21:43] <Larry-VHL170> Marion, you have a number like me! [21:43] <light2-VHL> Then I tell them the verse, that the plague that will come upon all who come against Israel [21:43] <farrell-VHL> 2Are these exciting times or not?:) [21:43] <incense11> I know the sleeping church [21:43] <HostBob> Yes, indeed!!! [21:43] <hope-VHL> 4YESSSSSS [21:44] <HostBob> I'll be back in a few minutes - please proceed without me :) [21:44] <dovecry-VHL> 2My heart cries for Israel. [21:44] <light2-VHL> There eyes shall melt in their sockets and the tongue shall consume out of their mouth [21:44] <hope-VHL> 4IGNORANT CHURCH [21:44] <incense11> but all will even America [21:44] <Marion-VHL774> well Larry as long as it isn't 666 [21:44] <Larry-VHL170> lol [21:44] <farrell-VHL> 2That's hard to think about incense but I know it will happen. God's Word says so! [21:45] <dovecry-VHL> 2What does LOL mean? [21:45] <light2-VHL> Marion the WWWof the world wide web means vav vav vav in herbrew and the letter asigned is 666 [21:45] <Larry-VHL170> laugh out loud, I hope [21:45] <incense11> Bob...do you think Jerusalem still has to lose 1/3 of herself [21:45] <dovecry-VHL> 2Me to. [21:45] <hope-VHL> 4LOL Larry! [21:45] <light2-VHL> Incense Bob left for a moment but he will return [21:45] <incense11> thanks light [21:45] <dovecry-VHL> 2Yes I knew www, means also, 666. [21:46] <dovecry-VHL> 2Vov, Vov,Vov. [21:46] <light2-VHL> Yes and I saw the slide show the EU is prepareing to put their whole economy on internet [21:46] <Judy-VHL> 3OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD....HE REIGHNS FROM HEAVEN ABOVE..... [21:46] <Larry-VHL170> I do not know how you feel, but I am hopeful more come to Jesus soon [21:46] <hope-VHL> 4old news but for those that didn't know.....the first Apple computer sold for 666.66...... [21:46] <light2-VHL> They have a plan to do it in less than 2 years [21:46] <Larry-VHL170> Gentile and Jew I mean [21:47] <Judy-VHL> 3Didn't know that HOPE [21:47] <Marion-VHL774> Light God made the web, the enemy uses it too But much good is here [21:47] <light2-VHL> Really Hope?? How appropriate [21:47] <dovecry-VHL> 2I may not have spelled it right but that's it. I may be blonde, but I'm not always dumb:-) [21:47] <hope-VHL> 4Yeah, I didn't believe it....so I went to ASK JEEVES .com and I found it there too! [21:47] <Larry-VHL170> If it were not for the web, we wouldn't be in this chat, right? [21:47] <Judy-VHL> 3DOVECRY........YOU ARE BLONDE? [21:48] <hope-VHL> 4the ORIGINAL price was supposed to be 777.77 and then he said he just subtracted 1 digit from each number.....dumb! [21:48] <light2-VHL> Marion the time will come , when you must decide if you want to serve God or Get an electronic signature [21:48] <dovecry-VHL> 2Yes. Turning White! [21:48] <Judy-VHL> 3I KNOW YOU ARE NOT DUMB.........NOPE NEVER! [21:48] <light2-VHL> For without the mark you will not be able to buy sell or get gain [21:48] <Larry-VHL170> I came in late, what is the update on Israel peace talks? [21:48] <dovecry-VHL> 2Thank you Judy. [21:48] B1racing [~B1racing@proxy12.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Chitchat [21:48] <incense11> not sure on the talks [21:48] <Marion-VHL774> Yes amen larry we should be witnessing to all , that none should perish [21:49] <Larry-VHL170> I am concerned about what I hear about Israel and Palestine [21:49] <incense11> I heard Israel will let them have their state [21:49] <hope-VHL> 4yes light, that is the reason that it is good to here other positions, just in case the one we believe is wrong.....(rapture, that is) [21:49] sskip-VHL [~sskip-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [21:49] <incense11> and then they are not going to let them come over and work inside of Israel anymore [21:50] <light2-VHL> Also the web is part of the beasts system, have you noticed the names on the web, very Godless some of them [21:50] <Larry-VHL170> Does that mean Israel has to give up part of Jerusalem? [21:50] <dovecry-VHL> 2Judy, keep me in prayer. I need it. I , [21:50] <incense11> at that point they will fight [21:50] <Marion-VHL774> I have already decided!!!!!!!!! [21:50] <Marion-VHL774> & I do not have an electronid signature!!!!!!lool [21:50] <Larry-VHL170> War is definate then? [21:50] <incense11> I think so... bible sayw 1/3 will be destroyed [21:50] <Judy-VHL> 3I sure will Dove.......write to me and let me know what is going on. [21:50] <light2-VHL> Hope I do believe in the rapture, but who knows who will go and when [21:51] <hope-VHL> 4right, I agree ;) [21:51] <hope-VHL> 4light [21:51] <incense11> Arabs, for most part do not want to live under PA rule, but they will die if they say so right now [21:51] <dovecry-VHL> 2Ok. but I gotta go for now, I love all of you my friends from the Lord. [21:51] <Larry-VHL170> A third destroyed is like giving it to Palestine? [21:51] <Larry-VHL170> I think I lost who is talking to me. :-) [21:51] <hope-VHL> 4goodnight dovecry [21:52] <Kathy-VHL> By Dove [21:52] <sskip-VHL> 4Hello everyone [21:52] <Judy-VHL> 3Bye Dove..........love you. [21:52] <farrell-VHL> 2God bless you dovecry [21:52] <Larry-VHL170> Bye dove [21:52] <incense11> Larry I am [21:52] <hope-VHL> 4LOL Larry! [21:52] <Bezalel-VHL> By Dovecry [21:52] <light2-VHL> If all goes according to the UN and EU we will have to get electronic Signatures within 2 years or less, so best not make any long tern plans!! [21:52] <Larry-VHL170> sskip [21:52] <dovecry-VHL> 2Love, Bye! [21:52] <Larry-VHL170> Hope, does that mean I am blonde? :-) [21:52] dovecry-VHL [~dovecry-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (dovecry-VHL has left the room) [21:52] <monak-VHL> 6bye dovecry, hello sskip [21:52] <incense11> LOL at larry [21:52] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Skip [21:52] <hope-VHL> 4or hightlights? ;) LOL [21:52] <HostBob> OK, I'm back [21:53] <Judy-VHL> 3Did you hear that all of our e mail is scanned and read? [21:53] <Larry-VHL170> All natural, hope! [21:53] <Larry-VHL170> hi back? [21:53] <Judy-VHL> 3Project Echelon?? [21:53] <Marion-VHL774> light I know I am going [21:53] <hope-VHL> 4GREAT Bob, we're just goofing off in here LOL [21:53] <HostBob> LOL [21:53] <Marion-VHL774> everychristian will be going [21:53] <light2-VHL> Escholon Judy?? [21:53] <incense11> hey bob [21:53] <sskip-VHL> 4read by who Judy? [21:53] <Larry-VHL170> I forgot who was talking to me and turned blonde, Bob [21:53] <hope-VHL> 4echelon????? [21:53] <Judy-VHL> 3Yes, Light. [21:53] <hope-VHL> 4LOL Larry [21:53] <HostBob> Yes, Incense? [21:53] <Marion-VHL774> meaning jewish believers in Jesus too [21:53] <light2-VHL> By a coalition of 5 governments outside the us [21:54] <Judy-VHL> 3Our e mail is scanned by other governments and then reported to our government. [21:54] <incense11> do you believe 1/3 of Jerusalem still to come will be destroyed [21:54] <hope-VHL> 4I think they found me! :) [21:54] <Marion-VHL774> Light it tells us in 2Thess. [21:54] <Bezalel-VHL> Good, Judy, maybe they'll learn something good and decent for a change [21:54] <HostBob> From Zech 13:8, Incense? [21:54] <hope-VHL> 4good one Bezalel [21:54] <Larry-VHL170> lol Bezalel [21:55] <incense11> just in teachings [21:55] <Judy-VHL> 3Oh they know us alright Bezalel......we are branded the troublemakers. The haters, the narrow minded. [21:55] <HostBob> We talked about that a few weeks ago - it may very well be that that was fulfilled in 70 AD [21:55] monak-VHL [~monak-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (monak-VHL has left the room) [21:55] <Kathy-VHL> right Judy [21:55] <hope-VHL> 4the intolerable [21:55] <Kathy-VHL> they know us alright [21:55] <Marion-VHL774> Jesus is coming soon!!!!!!!! [21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> HERE I AM! [21:55] <incense11> I knew Stan did not, but ok [21:55] <Judy-VHL> 3The intolerant [21:55] <HostBob> I'm not sure, really [21:55] <hope-VHL> 4LOL [21:55] <incense11> I think it's still to come [21:55] <Judy-VHL> 3Both fit [21:56] <Kathy-VHL> the non accepting [21:56] <hope-VHL> 4Judy....;) [21:56] <Larry-VHL170> Feeling I am in a blonde moment [21:56] <HostBob> The context, such as it is.... [21:56] <HostBob> ""Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, against the man who is close to me!" declares the LORD Almighty. "Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones." (Zechariah 13:7 NIV) [21:56] <HostBob> "In the whole land," declares the LORD, "two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it." (Zechariah 13:8 NIV) [21:56] <Judy-VHL> 3HOPE:-p [21:56] <HostBob> Verse 7 speaks about the death of Jesus, and both.... [21:56] <Judy-VHL> 3I felt like getting sassy with you HOPE [21:57] <farrell-VHL> 2I must go precious brothers and sisters in Christ. This has been a GOOD evening. Thanks Bob for the study in Hosea. I truly love studying God's Word. Good night:) [21:57] <HostBob> the scattering of disciples when he was arrested... [21:57] <hope-VHL> 4It's ok!!! from you that is! ;) [21:57] <HostBob> Night, Farrell! My pleasure! :) [21:57] <hope-VHL> 4God Bless you Farrell! ;) [21:57] <sskip-VHL> 4Shalom farrell [21:57] <HostBob> and also the scattering of Israel in AD 70 and 132 [21:57] <Bezalel-VHL> By Farrell [21:57] <Larry-VHL170> by farrell [21:57] <Kathy-VHL> nite Farrell [21:57] <hope-VHL> 4could be a near, far prophecy too [21:58] <HostBob> yes, could be [21:58] <light2-VHL> Good night Farrell and I am also calling it a night, God Bless and Keep you all brothers and sisters [21:58] <incense11> what about in Rev. where 1/3 of trees will be burnt and land and sea destroyed [21:58] <hope-VHL> 4depressing thought though [21:58] <light2-VHL> Thank you Bob and all for your love an d care [21:58] <hope-VHL> 4Goodnight Light [21:58] <sskip-VHL> 4Nite Light:-) [21:58] <Judy-VHL> 3Good night Light.......write to me......haven't heard from you in a long time. [21:58] <HostBob> Night, Light! Love you sis :) [21:58] <Larry-VHL170> bye light21 [21:58] light2-VHL [~light2-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (light2-VHL has left the room) [21:58] <Kathy-VHL> nite Liht [21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> Night Light:-) [21:59] farrell-VHL [~farrell-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Chitchat [21:59] <HostBob> But I tend to think that v7 and 8 go together [21:59] <HostBob> that the "scattering" and the "striking down" are the same [21:59] <Larry-VHL170> i hate to leave at such a good time, but I need to [21:59] <hope-VHL> 4Judy, e-mail me later with this electronic signature thing that you guys were talking about, I missed it [21:59] <Judy-VHL> 3Bye Larry [21:59] <HostBob> Thanks for coming Larry :) [21:59] <sskip-VHL> 4Bye Larry [21:59] <Kathy-VHL> Bob is it talking about people or land [21:59] <Bezalel-VHL> Bye Larry [21:59] <hope-VHL> 4Goodnight Larry [21:59] <Judy-VHL> 3What electronic signature thing? [22:00] <HostBob> people [22:00] Larry-VHL170 [~Larry-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Larry-VHL170 has left the room) [22:00] <Judy-VHL> 3I don't know about it. [22:00] <hope-VHL> 4Oh great! [22:00] <HostBob> the 1/3 of revelation is talking about the whole earth, right? and not people, but trees and grass? [22:01] <Judy-VHL> 3Sorry [22:01] <Kathy-VHL> right [22:01] <hope-VHL> 4wait, Revelation what chapter, verse? [22:01] <sskip-VHL> 4how are they (gov) going to know if it is your correct signature? [22:01] martha-VHL [~martha-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [22:01] <HostBob> "The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up." (Revelation 8:7 NIV) [22:01] <HostBob> Welcome, Marth! [22:02] <HostBob> Martha! [22:02] <sskip-VHL> 4could be by the mark of the BEAST [22:02] <HostBob> Hey Skip, didn't see ya come in :) [22:02] <hope-VHL> 4yeah, this IS the earth we're talking about [22:02] <martha-VHL> Hello [22:02] <incense11> ok, must be all of earth then [22:02] <sskip-VHL> 4:-) you were out [22:02] <hope-VHL> 4Hi Martha [22:03] <HostBob> So, I don't think it's talking about the same event [22:03] <hope-VHL> 4sounds like something HUGE hits the earth [22:03] <HostBob> that's the next verse [22:03] <Kathy-VHL> sounds like necular to me [22:03] <HostBob> "The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood," (Revelation 8:8 NIV) [22:03] <sskip-VHL> 4one of the billions of comets [22:04] <HostBob> "a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed." (Revelation 8:9 NIV) [22:04] <HostBob> yes, or asteroids [22:04] <hope-VHL> 4so who says this is talking about the Jews? it's not right [22:05] <HostBob> no, this is speaking of God's judgment on the whole world [22:05] <hope-VHL> 4right [22:05] monak-VHL [~monak-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [22:05] Olive-VHL [~Olive-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [22:05] <sskip-VHL> 4all of mankind [22:05] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, weren't you saying it was Zech that was talking of Jerusalum? [22:05] <incense11> yes, I got it confuses [22:06] doug-VHL [~doug-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (doug-VHL has left the room) [22:06] <HostBob> Yes, we skipped around there, sorry [22:06] <HostBob> Welcome Olive [22:06] <sskip-VHL> 4hi olive [22:06] <hope-VHL> 4this is EXACTLY when God's judgement BEGINS [22:06] <HostBob> Zech was speaking of Jerusalem and Israel [22:06] <incense11> what was you talking about before [22:06] <HostBob> Rev 8 is not, specifically [22:07] <Olive-VHL> shalom everyone how are things going at the summit talks anyone know? [22:07] B1racing [~B1racing@proxy13.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [22:07] <Marion-VHL774> the same way they know you when you enter a site, sskip [22:07] <HostBob> God knows :) But all we here is the "spin" [22:07] <sskip-VHL> 4how is Franny & baby doing? [22:08] <HostBob> They are doing fabulously, Skip [22:08] <HostBob> all we "hear" that is [22:08] <HostBob> must be getting tired :) [22:08] <hope-VHL> 4LOL [22:08] <sskip-VHL> 4I am blond also Marion I dont know how they do that either :-) [22:09] <sskip-VHL> 4Thanks BOB , thats great [22:09] <Marion-VHL774> could be a hughe meteor [22:09] <hope-VHL> 4Judy? [22:09] <hope-VHL> 4LOL [22:09] <HostBob> OK - since we are on the subject... [22:10] <sskip-VHL> 4nasa is talking about comets alot lately [22:10] <HostBob> did you know the the Tanakh (OT) also speaks of cataclysmic upheavals of the earth? [22:10] <HostBob> not just Revelations [22:10] <hope-VHL> 4in Daniel? [22:10] <Bezalel-VHL> Like Isaiah, Ezekial, Daniel, Zechariah? [22:11] <HostBob> Yes, among others :) any come to mind? [22:11] <monak-VHL> 6what kind of upheavals do you mean Bob [22:11] <HostBob> Let's take a look [22:11] <Marion-VHL774> sskip!!!!!:-) [22:11] <HostBob> and any contributions are welcome :) [22:12] <HostBob> Isaiah 24 is a good place to start [22:12] <martha-VHL> Earthquakes?So what about the thousand year reign, will all this destroy the earth; What is the subject? [22:12] <HostBob> "See, the LORD is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants--" (Isaiah 24:1 NIV) [22:12] <HostBob> "it will be the same for priest as for people, for master as for servant, for mistress as for maid, for seller as for buyer, for borrower as for lender, for debtor as for creditor." (Isaiah 24:2 NIV) [22:12] <HostBob> "The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. The LORD has spoken this word." (Isaiah 24:3 NIV) [22:13] <HostBob> This is speaking of the same events that John described in the book of Revelation [22:13] <sskip-VHL> 4Marion go to NASA,s web site and check it out :-) [22:13] <monak-VHL> 6I had an incredible dream the other night, and the upheavel was what I dreamed [22:13] <HostBob> and the next verses explain some of the reasons for God's actions [22:13] <HostBob> "The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the exalted of the earth languish." (Isaiah 24:4 NIV) [22:13] <HostBob> "The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant." (Isaiah 24:5 NIV) [22:14] <HostBob> "Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left." (Isaiah 24:6 NIV) [22:14] <hope-VHL> 4Martha.....Revelation 21 talks about a NEW heaven and a NEW earth [22:14] <monak-VHL> 6It was as though this enormous plow was driving forward and the ground was heaved upward [22:15] <HostBob> Interesting, Monak [22:15] B1racing [~B1racing@proxy13.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Chitchat [22:15] <monak-VHL> 6and people were scattering in every direction to get out of the way [22:15] <HostBob> there will be great upheavals of the ground itself [22:15] <sskip-VHL> 4thats after the 1000 yr rein hope [22:15] <monak-VHL> 6it has haunted me every day since [22:15] <HostBob> I would encourage you to read the rest of chapter 24 of Isaiah [22:16] <incense11> have you prayed against it monak [22:16] Dennis-VHL [~Dennis-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [22:16] <HostBob> ad perhaps bring back any questions for next time [22:16] <monak-VHL> 6it was so real, yet I have known it had to have some sort of spiritual meaning [22:16] <HostBob> welcome Dennis! [22:16] <hope-VHL> 4who said that sskip? [22:16] <Bezalel-VHL> I'm going to leave, thank you all for your love and support:-) [22:16] <incense11> night bezale [22:16] <sskip-VHL> 4Revelations hope [22:16] Bezalel-VHL [~Bezalel-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Bezalel-VHL has left the room) [22:16] <HostBob> God bless you greatly, Bez! [22:17] <sskip-VHL> 4Shalom BEZ [22:17] <Kathy-VHL> Bob that scripture talks about breaking the laws what laws is it talking about [22:18] <HostBob> Isaiah 24 speaks of the judgment on the world, and chapters 25 and 26 speak of the aftermath, after Messiah returns [22:18] <hope-VHL> 4So Bob, we're going to live on THIS OLD earth for 1000 years and THEN a NEW earth will be made???? [22:18] <Dennis-VHL> Thank you, Bob. I joined the chat for the first time on Tuesday, with the political discussion. [22:18] <HostBob> God's moral laws, Kathy [22:18] <Kathy-VHL> ok [22:18] <HostBob> Glad you came back for more, Dennis :) [22:18] <hope-VHL> 4during Christ's 1000 year reign? [22:18] <HostBob> Good question hope :) [22:18] <Kathy-VHL> Was not sure if it was talking to the Jew only there [22:19] <HostBob> That's right, there will not be a 'new earth' until after the 1000 years, however..... [22:19] <HostBob> this world will be renewed during the millenium after having been devasted by God's judgments on it [22:19] <HostBob> that's my understanding, anyway [22:19] <Marion-VHL774> hi Dennis [22:19] <HostBob> which is far from complete [22:19] <martha-VHL> who's going to be here then Bob [22:20] <sskip-VHL> 4mine too [22:20] <Dennis-VHL> Good Evening, Marion [22:20] <HostBob> we will, Martha [22:20] <HostBob> along with "survivors from the nations" [22:20] grizz-VHL [~grizz-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [22:20] <martha-VHL> Well will we be in heaven and then come back here? [22:20] <grizz-VHL> shalom my friends [22:21] <HostBob> Welcoem, Grizz :) [22:21] hope-VHL [~hope-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Chitchat [22:21] <HostBob> Depends on your understanding, Martha [22:21] <sskip-VHL> 4will the dead in CHRIST be here during 1000 yr.s also? [22:21] <HostBob> if you have died, certainly you would have beenin heaven [22:21] <martha-VHL> Those that are dead in Christ [22:21] <HostBob> yes, skip, I think so - they will be resurrected when He returns [22:21] hope-VHL [~hope-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [22:21] <HostBob> "the first resurrection" [22:21] <monak-VHL> 6Bob, please explain to me is you can, why people will be deceived again after satan in unleashed when the true God will be here as proof [22:22] <HostBob> Monak, I have no idea [22:23] <hope-VHL> 4why is it I get blown out of here??? :( [22:23] <martha-VHL> People only believe what they want to believe [22:23] <incense11> I think I'll go...night all and God Bless [22:23] <HostBob> Sorry, hope - thanks for being persistent in coming back [22:23] <monak-VHL> 6I know that is what the Bible says, but it is just so hard to understand [22:23] <HostBob> Night, Incense :) SHalom [22:23] <sskip-VHL> 4its your server hope [22:23] <HostBob> yes, it sure is, monak [22:23] <incense11> Shalom..... :-)) [22:24] <HostBob> :) [22:24] incense11 [~incense1@proxy13.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Chitchat [22:24] <sskip-VHL> 4bye insence [22:24] <Olive-VHL> the first resurrection will be of the dead in Christ the second resurrection will be of the wicked who are dead [22:24] <HostBob> yes, Olive [22:24] <martha-VHL> oooh [22:24] <Dennis-VHL> Maybe the deception is the old one, put yourself on the throne. [22:25] <sskip-VHL> 4hence "blessed are they who are in the first ressuretion" [22:25] <HostBob> which brings up a troublesome issue for the pre-trib position.. [22:25] <grizz-VHL> Bob that will be only for jugement right [22:25] <hope-VHL> 4oh no Bob [22:25] Diane-VHL [~Diane-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [22:25] <HostBob> If Rev 20:5, which is clearly after the tribulation.... is called the "first resurrection"... [22:26] <HostBob> how could 1 Thess 4, which is held by the pre trib position to be before the trib... [22:26] <Olive-VHL> the first resurrection are the ones who will reign for the 1000 years while the wicked are dead here on earth [22:26] <Judy-VHL> 3OH GEE HOPE........GETTING SMART???? lol [22:26] <HostBob> also be the "first resurrection"? [22:26] <hope-VHL> 4LOL [22:26] <HostBob> are there 2 first resurrections"? :) [22:26] <HostBob> Welcome, Diane! :) [22:27] <hope-VHL> 4GOOD ONE BOB!!!! [22:27] <hope-VHL> 4;) [22:27] <Diane-VHL> 10Thank you. Hello Bob [22:27] <HostBob> Silence :) [22:27] <sskip-VHL> 4hi Diane [22:28] <hope-VHL> 4I'm NOT going there ;) [22:28] <Judy-VHL> 3GOOD ONE BOB (this is said snidely)........hey folks, this is a long running joke with HOPE.....don't think I'm getting rude. [22:28] <Diane-VHL> 10hi sskip [22:28] <HostBob> LOL [22:28] <hope-VHL> 4I was a LONER last week [22:28] <HostBob> ok :) [22:28] <Marion-VHL774> bob, because it is called the rapture [22:28] <Diane-VHL> 10Hey - Hi Judy [22:28] <Judy-VHL> 3Hi Diane [22:28] <HostBob> I mean, in Rev 20:5, it's almost like He is trying to eliminate any confusion by saying.. [22:28] <Olive-VHL> yes there are going to be two resurrections, the first those dead in Christ and the second the wicked who are still in the grave waiting for the second resurrection [22:29] <HostBob> explicitly..This is the first resurrection. [22:29] <HostBob> not, there's another first resurrection before the tribulation :) [22:29] <HostBob> ok, I'll let that rest :) [22:29] <sskip-VHL> 4ok [22:30] <hope-VHL> 4Isn't God Awesome......even when the judging of the dead in Revelation 20: 11-15 The Book of LIFE is there too..........showing how JUST He is [22:30] <sskip-VHL> 4i got it [22:30] <HostBob> Amen, Hope :) [22:30] <Marion-VHL774> Bob to me it looks like rev. 20:5 is talking about theose resurected after the wrath of God( Armegedon [22:30] <HostBob> Yes, it is [22:31] <Olive-VHL> Bob do you ever feel that judgement is going on right now [22:31] <grizz-VHL> Bob the second resurrection is feor the jugement of the wicked right [22:31] <HostBob> Yes, Olive, I believe you are right [22:31] <Marion-VHL774> 1Thes. is not talking about that [22:31] <hope-VHL> 4Remember those that were UNDER His thrown [22:31] <HostBob> yes, Grizzz [22:32] <larry-VHL> what kind of body would i have if i died before the rapture [22:32] <HostBob> 1 Thess 4 talks about the resurrection of believers who have died before [22:32] <hope-VHL> 4spirit [22:32] Glory-Bound [~Glory-Bound@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Chitchat [22:32] <Judy-VHL> 3Those under His throne........the martyred during the tribulation [22:32] <Marion-VHL774> & we who are alive [22:33] <grizz-VHL> do you belive that we will see love ones juged and commdemed to hell [22:33] <hope-VHL> 4Your PHYSICAL body Will be resurrected one day, if you die before Christ's return [22:33] <Marion-VHL774> will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air [22:33] <HostBob> so why would He specifically say "This is the first resurrection" if it was not? [22:33] <HostBob> if there was another one before that? [22:33] <Olive-VHL> Larry if you died before the rapture you will have a new body as will all who are resurrected [22:33] <HostBob> is he trying to confuse us? [22:33] <hope-VHL> 4EXACTLY BOB [22:33] <Judy-VHL> 3Yes Grizz, I do [22:33] <larry-VHL> oh [22:33] <hope-VHL> 4God is NOT a God of confusion! [22:33] <Judy-VHL> 3Horrific tears at that time. [22:34] <HostBob> There is NOTHING in 1 Thess 4 that indicates it is before the tribulation [22:34] <grizz-VHL> will we reconize them and will they accuse us of failing them [22:35] Diane-VHL [~Diane-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Diane-VHL has left the room) [22:35] Glory-Bound [~Glory-Bound@proxy15.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Chitchat [22:35] <Judy-VHL> 3Grizz, they will know at that time that it is they who have made a tragic mistake. [22:35] <hope-VHL> 4Bob, is there anything about the Blood being on our hands.....? [22:35] <Marion-VHL774> It also says in 1 thes.5:9 that God did not appoint us to wrath [22:35] larry-VHL [~larry-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (larry-VHL has left the room) [22:35] <sskip-VHL> 4Excuce me, but could I ask for you all to say a prayer for me that the truth will prevail. Thank you very much [22:35] <Judy-VHL> 3We shall know it too, though, if we never tried to talk to them. [22:35] <hope-VHL> 4if so, WHERE? [22:35] <HostBob> Ok, friends, time for me to make my exit :) [22:36] <hope-VHL> 4WAIT!!!! [22:36] <HostBob> Thanks so much for joining us :) you may continue to discuss :) [22:36] <HostBob> Just be nice :) [22:36] <hope-VHL> 4BOB!!!! [22:36] <HostBob> yes, hope? [22:36] <Dennis-VHL> May G-d continue to bless your work, Bob [22:36] <sskip-VHL> 4see you next time HOST BOB [22:36] <Kathy-VHL> thanks Bob [22:37] <martha-VHL> Thank you Bob; I'll try to come back sometime [22:37] <hope-VHL> 4one more please? Is there any scripture that talks about Blood being on our hands of those that we didn't witness to [22:37] <grizz-VHL> good night my brother love in the name of our LORD thanx [22:37] <Olive-VHL> Good night Bob you are an inspiration to all who listen to you May God continue to keep Hi;s hand on you [22:37] <Marion-VHL774> Bob I think that first resurrection in Rev. is talking about those that diesd during the tribulation [22:37] <Judy-VHL> 3Goodnight Bob [22:37] <Judy-VHL> 3Take care [22:37] <hope-VHL> 4Exactly Marion,,,,,, [22:38] <Judy-VHL> 3Kathy, are you still here? [22:38] <Kathy-VHL> yes [22:38] <hope-VHL> 4everyone is BODILY raised at the SAME time [22:38] <HostBob> Looking hope [22:38] <Judy-VHL> 3Read your instant message please [22:38] <Olive-VHL> the first resurrection is all who have died in Christ since the begining [22:38] <hope-VHL> 4THANKS BOB!!! ;) [22:38] <HostBob> Hope, look in Ezekiel 3 and 33 [22:38] <sskip-VHL> 4the dead in Christ will rise first [22:38] monak-VHL [~monak-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (monak-VHL has left the room) [22:38] <hope-VHL> 4Ok THANK YOU BOB! GOOD NIGHT!! GOD BLESS YOU [22:39] <HostBob> Good night all :) [22:39] <hope-VHL> 4;) *** Log file closed: 7/13/00 10:39:12 PM
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