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[19:47] <grizz-VHL> shalom bob

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[19:47] <grizz-VHL> just you and me so far huh

[19:47] <HostBob> Welcome, Geneva!

[19:47] <Geneva-VHL> Guess so

[19:47] <HostBob> Yes, I wonder if any is having trouble getting in?

[19:48] <grizz-VHL> shalom geneva

[19:48] <grizz-VHL> i got right in no problems

[19:49] <HostBob> That's good!

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[19:49] <HostBob> I'm eating my dinner right now :) My wife just brought me a plate

[19:49] <HostBob> Hi Kathy!

[19:49] <Geneva-VHL> I got on without any problems

[19:49] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Bob and everyone

[19:49] <Geneva-VHL> Hi Kathy

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[19:50] <grizz-VHL> BOB did you send out email notice today

[19:50] <grizz-VHL> hi Kathy

[19:50] <HostBob> Stan sent one out, but I didn't receive one

[19:50] <HostBob> We have a LOT to talk about tonight!

[19:50] <Geneva-VHL> I just saw the ad on the holy land web page

[19:51] <HostBob> First time, Geneva?

[19:51] <Geneva-VHL> There will be a peace talk in US next week right

[19:51] <Geneva-VHL> yes this is my first time

[19:51] <HostBob> That's right - Clinton has invited...

[19:52] <HostBob> Barak and Arafat for a Camp David summit

[19:52] <Geneva-VHL> Clinton want to bring peace so he will leave office in great splender

[19:52] <HostBob> Clinton hopes it will be reminiscent of the 1978 summit

[19:52] <HostBob> yes, Geneva, exactly

[19:53] <Kathy-VHL> Bob I saw where Barak had accepted the invitation but has Arrafat?

[19:53] <Geneva-VHL> Afraid not. We are too near the end to do that

[19:53] <HostBob> You can bet there will be a lot of pressure put on Barak to make unreasonable concessions

[19:53] <HostBob> pressure by yhe US, that is

[19:53] <HostBob> I believe he has, Kathy

[19:53] <HostBob> I think

[19:53] <Geneva-VHL> Affafat will be there. He knows Clinton is on his side

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[19:54] <HostBob> Yes - it's a setup - Arafat has already publicly stated that they will concede nothing

[19:54] <Geneva-VHL> Barak will give some more land to bring peace

[19:54] <Kathy-VHL> I am not so sure he wants anything other than war

[19:54] <HostBob> and... because Barak is unwilling to specify to his own people...

[19:54] <HostBob> how much he is willing to cede...

[19:55] <HostBob> 2 parties abandoned his coalition today

[19:55] <Geneva-VHL> Oh really

[19:55] <HostBob> yes, protesting that he is willing to give away too much

[19:55] <called__out-VHL> Any chance the 2 partys will withdraw their regisnations

[19:56] <HostBob> hold on and I will paste from a news story

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[19:56] <HostBob> JERUSALEM (AP) — Two parties in Ehud Barak's ruling coalition Wednesday said they would leave his government ahead of a U.S.-hosted peace summit, possibly depriving the prime minister of the broad consensus he says he needs to make peace.

[19:56] <HostBob> Natan Sharansky's immigrants party and the National Religious Party indicated that they cannot remain in Barak's coalition government as long as Barak appears ready to make the far-reaching land concessions that could clinch a deal with the Palestinians next week.

[19:57] <HostBob> this leaves him short of a majority in the Knesset

[19:57] <HostBob> Welcome, fish :)

[19:57] <Kathy-VHL> When they resign like that doesnt it make it easier got Batak to do what he wants to

[19:57] <Geneva-VHL> What can he do without aa mojority

[19:58] <HostBob> Called out, it doesn't seem that they will

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[19:58] <HostBob> It means that he is susceptible to a no-confidence vote

[19:58] <called__out-VHL> 10This is getting very serious isn't it?

[19:58] <the_fish-VHL> hello all

[19:58] <HostBob> for the moment, his government still stands

[19:58] <HostBob> but his support is weakening

[19:58] <HostBob> yes, called

[19:59] <Geneva-VHL> Peace, Peace and sudden destruction

[19:59] <HostBob> yes, Geneva

[19:59] <Kathy-VHL> Bob you know the scripture about God giving them a bad king where is that and what comes after the bad king

[20:00] <HostBob> since this is "Bible prophecy" chat - feel free to share anything from the Scriptures :)

[20:00] <Kathy-VHL> I wonder if Barak is that bad king

[20:00] <HostBob> the "foolish shepherd", Kathy?

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[20:01] <Kathy-VHL> yes lol sorry

[20:01] <Marion-VHL> shalom

[20:01] <HostBob> Hello, Marain!

[20:01] <Kathy-VHL> I always think of it as a king

[20:01] <HostBob> Marion

[20:01] <Marion-VHL> Hi Bob

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[20:01] <HostBob> Well, whether or not he is "that" one, he is certainly being foolish, huh?

[20:01] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Marion

[20:01] <the_fish-VHL> 6the bible says that the antichrist will be one of the ten that has onced ruled and will rule again i believe?

[20:01] <Marion-VHL> Hi Kathy

[20:01] <Kathy-VHL> yea lol

[20:02] <hope-VHL> Hi Bob ;)

[20:02] <HostBob> yes, fish, there are prophecies in Daniel and Revelation that seem to indicate that

[20:02] <HostBob> hi hope!

[20:02] <Marion-VHL> hi Hope

[20:02] <hope-VHL> 3Hi everyone! :)

[20:03] <called__out-VHL> 1011Hi Hope :)

[20:03] <HostBob> what's amazing to me.....

[20:03] <HostBob> is that during this time of so-called "peace talks"..

[20:03] <HostBob> the statements coming from the Palestinians are more strident and warlike than ever

[20:03] <Marion-VHL> yes they are

[20:04] <Marion-VHL> doesn't the goverment see that?

[20:04] <Marion-VHL> chooses not to I guess

[20:04] <the_fish-VHL> 6what about netinyhahu or how ever you spell him, is he not going to reaply for govenment again?

[20:04] <HostBob> for example...

[20:04] <HostBob> (IsraelWire-7/6) PLO Authority (PA) bureau chief in Lebanon, Sultan Abu Alaynen, was quoted on Thursday by the Reuters News Agency as saying if the July 11 Trilateral Camp David summit ends in failure, it will result in the "whole Middle East region sinking in a wave of violence and blood.''

[20:04] <Geneva-VHL> Everyone wants to go to war with Iseral

[20:05] <called__out-VHL> 1112Arafat is a terriorist, always was and always will be.

[20:05] <HostBob> Fish, he is still waiting to see if the criminal charges will or will not be filed against him

[20:05] <HostBob> yes, called

[20:05] <hope-VHL> 3there doesn't seem to be a choice for Israel anymore

[20:05] <HostBob> So.... as we see the situation...

[20:05] <Marion-VHL> Praise God that we know the final outcome

[20:05] <HostBob> what's our interpretation of the events, as according to God's overall plan?

[20:05] <HostBob> any ideas?

[20:05] <HostBob> yes, Marion

[20:05] <Kathy-VHL> amen Marion

[20:06] <the_fish-VHL> 6Yes i read that ,but also i read that he may reaply for office

[20:06] <Geneva-VHL> The Arabs want with Israel

[20:06] <HostBob> and what is that outcome, Marion? :)

[20:06] <HostBob> yes, fish, that is a strong possibility, apparently

[20:06] <Marion-VHL> That Jesus is victor

[20:06] <HostBob> Yes, indeed!

[20:06] <Marion-VHL> that He will & has won the battle already!!!!!!

[20:06] <Kathy-VHL> the hearts of the people will be turned back to God

[20:06] <hope-VHL> 3Praise God!!!

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[20:07] <Marion-VHL> amen kathy

[20:07] <HostBob> Welcome, Watching!

[20:07] <Watching-VHL> :-)

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[20:07] <Marion-VHL> it will take that aweful time for somew hardened hearts to turn to the Lord

[20:07] <called__out-VHL> 12But, Israel will have to go through some terrible times in the meantime.

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[20:07] <Kathy-VHL> we must remember that Gods plan is to get His people to know Him and Love Him again that is what this stuff is all about

[20:07] <Marion-VHL> yes

[20:07] <hope-VHL> 3NOT JUST Israel!

[20:07] <HostBob> Yes, Called? What do you see in the Scriptures about this?

[20:08] <HostBob> Right, hope :)

[20:08] <the_fish-VHL> 6was't he the one who brought the peace procces along with the usa ,more than any other?

[20:08] <HostBob> Even moreso the world

[20:08] <HostBob> Fish, Netanyahu inherited a very bad agreement...

[20:08] <HostBob> though I and others were suprised to the extent that he bowed to pressure to concede more

[20:09] <HostBob> That's right, Kathy :)

[20:10] <HostBob> I was just reading this in Ezekiel 36....

[20:10] <Kathy-VHL> It is for the Jew that all this must happen

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[20:10] <HostBob> "'For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. (Ezekiel 36:24 NIV)

[20:10] <HostBob> I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. (Ezekiel 36:25 NIV)

[20:10] <HostBob> I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. (Ezekiel 36:26 NIV)

[20:10] <HostBob> And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. (Ezekiel 36:27 NIV)

[20:10] <HostBob> You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God. (Ezekiel 36:28 NIV)

[20:11] <HostBob> That's God reiterating His promises to Israel

[20:11] <HostBob> which will happen! even though now for the most part they still have the "heart of stone"

[20:11] <Geneva-VHL> All this will happen after the chruch is gone and God starts dealing with the Jews again

[20:11] <HostBob> "perhaps" the church will be gone :)

[20:12] <HostBob> depends on how you interpret the timing of the rapture :)

[20:12] <hope-VHL> 3Just be prepared to stick around!

[20:12] <HostBob> :) hope

[20:12] <HostBob> Everyone got so quiet all of a sudden!

[20:12] <Kathy-VHL> thinking

[20:12] <hope-VHL> 3always happens ;)

[20:12] <light2-VHL> Alot of times I think the church is "gone" already :-)

[20:13] <Watching-VHL> lol

[20:13] <HostBob> Yeah, Light :)

[20:13] <Geneva-VHL> Israel is looking for peace from MEN now, but peace will only come after they realize that Jesus is the Savior

[20:13] <hope-VHL> 3No, we're not gone yet! LOL

[20:13] <HostBob> I didn't see ya come in! Welcome!

[20:13] <HostBob> Yes, Geneva!

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[20:13] <HostBob> I, and others, think a war is very close

[20:13] <hope-VHL> 3Hi LIGHT

[20:13] <Geneva-VHL> I sometimes wonder

[20:14] <light2-VHL> Hi to you all

[20:14] <the_fish-VHL> 6do you believe that isreal is ready for the coming of the anti?

[20:14] <HostBob> Welcome back, Grizz

[20:14] <hope-VHL> 3I believe BEFORE year end Bob

[20:14] <Watching-VHL> I saw where Barak said he would take a stand the other day

[20:14] <HostBob> Yes, hope

[20:14] <grizz-VHL> thanx Bob

[20:14] <Geneva-VHL> I do too. I think is so close we had better not blink our eyes

[20:14] <HostBob> The PA had a conference this weekend...

[20:14] <HostBob> to debate when they would declare their "state"

[20:15] <Geneva-VHL> Isreal is looking for a king

[20:15] <HostBob> and now they appear to be backing off from the September date somewhat

[20:15] <light2-VHL> With Jerusalem the capitol??

[20:15] <hope-VHL> 3they are?

[20:15] <HostBob> that's what they say

[20:15] <HostBob> here's my guess....

[20:15] <hope-VHL> 3what date are they looking for?

[20:15] <HostBob> they will wait till November....

[20:15] <light2-VHL> Does everyone here feel like their in limbo?

[20:15] <HostBob> after the US presidential elections.....

[20:16] <light2-VHL> I sure have lately

[20:16] <Geneva-VHL> Jerusalem will be the problem

[20:16] <the_fish-VHL> 6does the temple not have to be destroyed and the new one built first?

[20:16] <HostBob> when Clinton is a lame duck and has little to lose by endorsing the Palestinian "state"

[20:16] <called__out-VHL> 12Yes Light

[20:16] <Watching-VHL> George W Bush has been saying some pro-Israel things. Could that be why?

[20:16] <light2-VHL> Lame isn't the word I'd use

[20:16] <Watching-VHL> lol

[20:16] <light2-VHL> start

[20:16] <HostBob> There is no temple now, you mean the Dome of the Rock be destroyed?

[20:17] <the_fish-VHL> 6yes

[20:17] <HostBob> Watching, "saying" and delivering are very different things

[20:17] <Kathy-VHL> Clinton is going to be setting his eyes on the UN secretariat job

[20:17] <Watching-VHL> yes

[20:17] <grizz-VHL> HEY HE ALREADY IS ALAME DUCK AS FAR AS I AM CONCERENED :->:->:->:->

[20:17] <light2-VHL> Have any of you considered the fact that the Roman Catholics own practically 95% of all the holy sites??

[20:17] <Watching-VHL> lol

[20:17] <HostBob> yeah, Grizz :)

[20:17] <Kathy-VHL> right griz lol

[20:18] <hope-VHL> 3Well I'm still stuck on Jesus fulfilling the other Jewish celebrations, and if that's the case the signing would most likely HAVE to take place in late Sept/or October

[20:18] <Geneva-VHL> Clinton may not leave office

[20:18] <light2-VHL> And as far as Iam concerned anyone who claims Mary is a co redemptress,is the Man of sin

[20:19] <HostBob> Yes, hope, but I personally don't see this "signing" as a the fulfillment of a particular prophecy

[20:19] <HostBob> I could be wrong, of course

[20:19] <grizz-VHL> what are you trying to say light

[20:19] <Watching-VHL> The Knesset seems to be breaking apart. Will that hurt Barak in the talks, Bob?

[20:19] <light2-VHL> Geneva, we may get Gore, which will be clinton all over again

[20:19] <HostBob> Watching, it has eroded his support, certainly

[20:19] <hope-VHL> 3couldn't it be the "confirming" of the peace treaty?

[20:19] <called__out-VHL> 12Yes Light, Clinton Jr.

[20:19] <Geneva-VHL> Lord don't give us Gore. I live in his homewown

[20:19] <HostBob> but that may be for the best, Watching

[20:19] <Kathy-VHL> oj no Gore would be worse

[20:20] <light2-VHL> I think the Anti Christ Grizz has a good foot hold in the Holy Land already

[20:20] <HostBob> could be, hope, but I really don't think so

[20:20] <Watching-VHL> Then, Bob, will Sharantsky start a different government?

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[20:20] <Geneva-VHL> People around here would vote for Gore no matter what Not me

[20:20] <grizz-VHL> good point think the same but wanted to see your thoughs

[20:20] <HostBob> Sharantsky, at this point, does not have the broad backing that he would need - is in a minority party

[20:21] <HostBob> of course that could change

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[20:21] <hope-VHL> 3Bob, do you believe that the 7 years will start with the signing of some sort of peace agreement?

[20:21] <Watching-VHL> If that does change, could this be the "new power"? Maybe I am stretching

[20:21] <the_fish-VHL> 6the anti christ will take seat in the temple.So he must be jewish??

[20:21] <HostBob> Once again, if we miss a comment or question, please repeat

[20:21] <Geneva-VHL> Things can change so fast What you think today can change tomorrow

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[20:21] <HostBob> OK - lots of questions here....

[20:22] <HostBob> first of all, I don't see any prophecy that indicates the antichrist will be Jewish

[20:22] <HostBob> he will take the a seat in the temple by force

[20:22] <Marion-VHL> me either bob

[20:22] <Marion-VHL> but he will be accepted as a man that brings peace to them

[20:22] <Geneva-VHL> T think the antichrist will be an arab That is the jews half brother

[20:22] <HostBob> and will be apparently viewed as the Jews as an "abomination" because of this

[20:23] <skip-VHL> 4hi ya'll ,Ihope everyone is doing fine

[20:23] <the_fish-VHL> 6Do you think that the jews would allow anyone not jewish to take the seat in the temple??

[20:23] <light2-VHL> What do you mean by force Bob, He forces himself, or someone forces Him?

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[20:23] <HostBob> Initially, perhaps, Marion, if the covenant that is confirmed is a peace treaty for Israel...

[20:23] <Marion-VHL> hi Skip

[20:23] <Kathy-VHL> hi Skip

[20:23] <HostBob> but in the middle of the week, all hell breaks lose and he changes his position

[20:23] <HostBob> right?

[20:23] <Marion-VHL> fish they will be duped

[20:24] <HostBob> OK - let

[20:24] <HostBob> let's back up a bit..

[20:24] <hope-VHL> 3that's how i see it

[20:24] <HostBob> and look at some Scriptures

[20:24] <HostBob> ok?

[20:24] <the_fish-VHL> 6what is duped?

[20:24] <Marion-VHL> yes

[20:24] <hope-VHL> 3good idea ;)

[20:24] <Watching-VHL> yes

[20:24] <Kathy-VHL> fooled fish

[20:24] <Geneva-VHL> The Antchrist will come as a peacemaker. Un troops are called peace keepers

[20:25] <HostBob> Where should we start? :)

[20:25] <Marion-VHL> he comes at first as a great help to them & then wants them to worship him

[20:25] <hope-VHL> 3Hey, I never caught that one Geneva!

[20:25] <Marion-VHL> tricked , fish

[20:25] <hope-VHL> 3AT the signing!

[20:25] <hope-VHL> 3LOL

[20:25] <Marion-VHL> wool pulled over their eyes, decieved

[20:25] <HostBob> Here's one:

[20:25] <the_fish-VHL> 6ok understand

[20:25] <HostBob> (the antichrist) who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. (2 Thessalonians 2:4 NASB)

[20:25] <HostBob> that's in the middle of the week

[20:26] <hope-VHL> 3right!

[20:26] <HostBob> ok, the peace treaty

[20:26] <Watching-VHL> literally in the middle of the week?

[20:26] <skip-VHL> 4I'm wondering if Clinton has his eye on being UN president?

[20:26] <hope-VHL> 3three and a half years into it

[20:26] <HostBob> OK, from the famous 70 weeks prophecy...

[20:27] <Geneva-VHL> The Antchrist will be one that can bring Peace. The UN is a "great peace maker" see how they have keep the peace around the world

[20:27] <HostBob> He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease; and in their place shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator." (Daniel 9:27)

[20:27] <HostBob> That's the 70th week

[20:27] <HostBob> often referred to as the 7 year tribulation

[20:27] <Watching-VHL> ok

[20:28] <HostBob> though the first 3 1/2 years may not be "tribulation"

[20:28] <HostBob> as such

[20:28] <hope-VHL> 3the second half is the GREAT tribulation

[20:28] <HostBob> ok - what have we seen so far?

[20:28] <Geneva-VHL> He will come as a peace maker The Jews will think they have really found someone that will bring them peace

[20:28] <HostBob> Right, in the middle of the "seven" he betrays them

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[20:28] <HostBob> and turns against Jews and Christians

[20:28] <HostBob> right?

[20:29] <HostBob> that's my understanding anyway

[20:29] <hope-VHL> 3Yeah, but what triggers the START of the whole 70 weeks?

[20:29] <Geneva-VHL> but he breaks this treaty in 3 and1/2 years

[20:29] <Watching-VHL> I just wonder who could make Jewish people comfortable enough to let their guard down if he is not a Jew? It's confusing

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> 5:-*:)Hi gang Gran finally made it

[20:29] <HostBob> feel free to contribute any Bible passages you wish

[20:29] <grizz-VHL> yes BOB thats what i been taught

[20:29] <HostBob> welcome, Gran

[20:29] <skip-VHL> 4hi GRAN

[20:29] <Bezalel-VHL> Hi Gran

[20:29] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Graj

[20:29] <HostBob> let's look at more from Daniel...

[20:30] <grizz-VHL> hi gran

[20:30] <called__out-VHL> 12Hi Gran ;)

[20:30] <hope-VHL> 3Hey the old group is returning!

[20:30] <skip-VHL> 4how are you today?

[20:30] <light2-VHL> Bob take a look at the following verses and tell me what you think In Ezek. 21:25-27

[20:30] <the_fish-VHL> 6how will that effect the rest of the world?

[20:30] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yeah the good old group and some new to me shalom

[20:30] <hope-VHL> 3;)

[20:30] <HostBob> hold that thought, light, ok? we'll look at that shortly :)

[20:30] <the_fish-VHL> 6for is all this going to happen in Isreal?

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> 5grizz thanks for the card

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[20:31] <grizz-VHL> your welcome

[20:31] <Marion-VHL> hi Gran

[20:31] <HostBob> more verses that may speak of the antichrist:

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> 5:-*:)

[20:31] <HostBob> It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them. (Daniel 8:10 NIV)

[20:31] <hope-VHL> 3GO for it BOB

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> 5Hi all good to see you again:)

[20:31] <HostBob> It set itself up to be as great as the Prince of the host; it took away the daily sacrifice from him, and the place of his sanctuary was brought low. (Daniel 8:11 NIV)

[20:31] <HostBob> Because of rebellion, the host of the saints and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground. (Daniel 8:12 NIV)

[20:32] <light2-VHL> Yes and an idication He will be Jewish look again at the verses

[20:32] <HostBob> "In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. (Daniel 8:23 NIV)

[20:32] <HostBob> He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. (Daniel 8:24 NIV)

[20:32] <grizz-VHL> BOB what is the host of the heavens

[20:32] <HostBob> He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power. (Daniel 8:25 NIV)

[20:32] <HostBob> Good question Grizzz...

[20:32] <light2-VHL> Do you have the kjv

[20:32] <HostBob> may be speaking of the rebellion of some of the angels

[20:32] <light2-VHL> copy from that

[20:33] <HostBob> no, I don't, light

[20:33] <light2-VHL> ok I will try and post it

[20:33] <HostBob> I think all of those verses I posted are speaking of the antichrist

[20:34] <hope-VHL> 3I think so too

[20:34] <HostBob> any questions about them?

[20:34] <HostBob> in verse 11...

[20:34] <hope-VHL> 3Is the signing or confirming in Daniel?

[20:34] <Watching-VHL> are the anti-christ and the false prophet the same?

[20:34] <light2-VHL> And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

[20:34] <HostBob> I think there are other places where it refers to the stoppage of the "daily sacrifices"

[20:35] <light2-VHL> wicked character is here named "Prince of Israel". He must, therefore, be of the Abrahamic stock, a Jew!

[20:35] <HostBob> apparently they are 2 different people, working toether, watching

[20:35] <grizz-VHL> you mean there will be angles that will rebel after all the time they have spent with GOD

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 5In my internation dictionary the host of heaven is the as in Dan 8:11 heavenly bodies in Duet 4 heavenly array

[20:35] <HostBob> Light, that's not speaking of fhe Antichrist, I don't think

[20:35] <HostBob> it's speaking of...

[20:35] <Watching-VHL> I could be wrong,but I think "Prince of Israel" is a principality

[20:35] <light2-VHL> Yes it is Bob

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 5creation in Gen 2:10

[20:36] <HostBob> no, it's not :)

[20:36] <hope-VHL> 3LOL

[20:36] <light2-VHL> He is called the wicked Prince of Israel

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 5God of hosts in 1Sam 17:45

[20:36] <Geneva-VHL> Abrahamic stock can be an arab. Ishmael is the child of the flesh and that is the arabs

[20:36] <light2-VHL> And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

[20:36] <light2-VHL> Ezek 21:25

[20:36] <hope-VHL> 3remember the devil still can go up into heaven UNTIl he finally gets thrown out, maybe the demons can too! Just a thought ;)

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[20:36] <Kathy-VHL> the wicked prince is the Devil

[20:37] <the_fish-VHL> 6is michael not the prince that's hand is over Isreal?

[20:37] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> Hello every one]

[20:37] <hope-VHL> 3Hi Audra

[20:37] <light2-VHL> And the Anti Christ who is to come is indwelt by Satan

[20:37] <Kathy-VHL> tight light

[20:37] <called__out-VHL> 12Hi Audra ;_

[20:37] <grizz-VHL> shalom Audra

[20:37] <Kathy-VHL> right light

[20:37] <light2-VHL> He is a man who claims to be god

[20:38] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6guess what every one

[20:38] <HostBob> Ezekiel is prophecying to the King of Israel at that time

[20:38] <HostBob> telling him that the rule was done

[20:38] <HostBob> "'O profane and wicked prince of Israel, whose day has come, whose time of punishment has reached its climax,

[20:38] <HostBob> 26 this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Take off the turban, remove the crown. It will not be as it was: The lowly will be exalted and the exalted will be brought low.

[20:38] <HostBob> 27 A ruin! A ruin! I will make it a ruin! It will not be restored until he comes to whom it rightfully belongs; to him I will give it.'

[20:38] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6guess what everyone????

[20:38] <called__out-VHL> 12What Audra

[20:38] <light2-VHL> read the following 2 verses

[20:38] <HostBob> "remove the crown" - God was stripping away the ruling authority

[20:38] <the_fish-VHL> 6what????

[20:39] <HostBob> What, Audra?

[20:39] <light2-VHL> Till He whose "right it is"

[20:39] <light2-VHL> That is the Lord Jesus, whose right it is

[20:39] <HostBob> Yes, that's right - no King would rule again in Israel until the Messiah comes

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 5:) that is what my Hbrew Greek study bible says Bob

[20:39] <HostBob> right

[20:39] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6I went to go excerise today, and it sure did feel real good!!!!!!

[20:39] <HostBob> ok :)

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 5What Audra Kaye

[20:40] <Kathy-VHL> right Bob

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 5Audra that is so good praise God

[20:41] <HostBob> Back to Daniel, notice that both pieces we looked at...

[20:41] <HostBob> said that "he will put an end to sacrifice and offering"

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Bob where iin Dan I missed that

[20:41] <HostBob> in the middle of the "seven"

[20:41] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6And here in a minute i,m going to family night so that way i can go swim with all my best friends!!!

[20:41] <HostBob> Daniel 8, and Daniel 9

[20:41] <HostBob> Great, Audra! :)

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 5thanks Bob

[20:41] <light2-VHL> Those are english words that are not in the original

[20:42] <HostBob> what's that, light?

[20:42] <light2-VHL> There is no mention of that in the original language

[20:42] <HostBob> of what?

[20:42] <Geneva-VHL> What

[20:42] <light2-VHL> The daily sacrafice, are words that can be translated diferentlly

[20:42] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6the lord god is still watching over me every where i go...

[20:43] <HostBob> I'm looking at 3 translations...

[20:43] <hope-VHL> 3the KING James Version is NOT the original either..........the inspired word is NOT the King James

[20:43] <HostBob> in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering;

[20:43] <light2-VHL> You should look at it in the Hebrew not the english translation

[20:43] <HostBob> In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.

[20:43] <HostBob> for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease;

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[20:43] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6is everyone here a christian????

[20:43] <HostBob> zebach:H2077

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 5Liight what does the Hebrew say

[20:44] <HostBob> minchah:H4503

[20:44] <Geneva-VHL> that is when all Hell breaks loose

[20:44] <hope-VHL> 3AMEN Audra! ;)

[20:44] <HostBob> 2077. zebach, zeh'-bakh; from H2076; prop. a slaughter, i.e. the flesh of an animal; by impl. a sacrifice (the victim or the act):--offer (-ing), sacrifice.

[20:44] <Watching-VHL> that's pretty originial Bob!

[20:44] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6very good hope!!!

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Audra we are

[20:44] <HostBob> 4503. minchah, min-khaw'; from an unused root mean. to apportion, i.e. bestow; a donation; euphem. tribute; spec. a sacrificial offering (usually bloodless and voluntary):--gift, oblation, (meat) offering, present, sacrifice.

[20:44] <Watching-VHL> :-)

[20:44] <HostBob> That's the Hebrew, Light

[20:44] <light2-VHL> What verse are you looking at Bob

[20:44] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6i,m so proud of all of you

[20:45] <HostBob> Daniel 9:27

[20:45] <Marion-VHL> proclaimint to be the ruler of Israel the antichrist could well be referred that way

[20:45] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6do you all have god's word the bible????

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[20:45] <HostBob> That implies that the Temple has been rebuilt (which 2 Thess 2 also indicates)

[20:45] <HostBob> and that sacrifices have resumed

[20:45] <HostBob> also...

[20:46] <HostBob> "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. (Daniel 12:11 NIV)

[20:46] <Geneva-VHL> When

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 5yes Audra that is what Bob is reading from in the OT

[20:46] <hope-VHL> 3GO on Bob

[20:46] <HostBob> Yes, Audra, we are convinced that the Bible is God's infallible message to us :)

[20:47] <HostBob> so that's 3 places in Daniel where is talks about the sacrifices being interrupted, apparently by the antichrist in the middle of the week

[20:47] <light2-VHL> Bob that is the verse you need to look at the translation Dan 12:11

[20:47] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6my friend taylor gave me some cd's called SONG 4 LIFE and i think that they are pretty good songs!!but i don't know yet???

[20:47] <HostBob> "And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. (Daniel 12:11 NASB)

[20:47] <hope-VHL> 3what does your translation say LIGHT?

[20:48] <HostBob> From the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that desolates is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred ninety days. (Daniel 12:11 NRSV)

[20:48] <Marion-VHL> & no priest either

[20:48] <Gran-VHL> 5Audra that sounds good but I have not heard of that one

[20:48] <Marion-VHL> the turban represents preisthood

[20:48] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6what is every one talking about???

[20:48] <HostBob> We are discussing what the Bible says about the future...

[20:49] <hope-VHL> 3So Bob, then IMMEDIATELY after he stops the sacrifices, THEN he will set himself up?

[20:49] <HostBob> when a man, commonly known as the antichrist, leads a widescale rebellion against the true God

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 5Audra this is Israel prophesy chat night and all we are discussing has to do with Israel

[20:49] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6what song does everyone like??

[20:49] <HostBob> yes, hope, that's my understanding of it

[20:49] <hope-VHL> 3mine too, just checking

[20:50] <HostBob> Audra, I like "She looks to the sky" :)

[20:50] <HostBob> don't remember the artist

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[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 5Audra I love mostly Israeli music that honors God and Jesus the Messiah

[20:50] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6i, m going have to STOP because i,m going to the pool for family night now

[20:51] <called__out-VHL> 12Bye Audra :)

[20:51] <HostBob> Take care, Audra :)

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> 5O K dear you come back and read your bible with us

[20:51] <hope-VHL> 3goodnight Audra, God Bless you

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[20:51] <HostBob> God bless you :)

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> 5God Bless you Audra

[20:52] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6bye bye every one!!!i will see you all again very soon may the lord guide all of you!! P.S. i love you all very much!!!!!

[20:52] <hope-VHL> 3Bob, do you believe the Seventieth week begins with the signing?

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[20:52] <Geneva-VHL> This has been intersting. I love prophecy and most people are too busy to really study it and see it is happening right before our eyes

[20:52] <skip-VHL> 4Bob what happens on the 1335th day ?

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 5:) we love you too dear and Jesus loves you more

[20:52] <grizz-VHL> Bob in daniel 12-4 it says he closed up the book to trhe end what book?

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[20:53] <HostBob> "He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.'" - Hope, is that necessarily a peace agreement?

[20:53] <HostBob> it certainly could be

[20:53] <HostBob> but who are the "many"?

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[20:53] <HostBob> may not be Israel at all...

[20:53] <Geneva-VHL> We are in the end time

[20:53] <hope-VHL> Boy, I just got zapped, but I got your answer! :)

[20:53] <HostBob> but a covenant with many nations to protect Israel?

[20:54] <HostBob> Skip, perhaps...

[20:54] <hope-VHL> 3No, but it is some type of agreement, don't you think?

[20:54] <HostBob> Jesus returns? I don't know

[20:54] <HostBob> Yes, some kind of agreement

[20:54] <called__out-VHL> 12Could the covenant be the many that take the mark?

[20:55] <HostBob> That very well could be, Called....

[20:55] <HostBob> let

[20:55] <HostBob> let's look again:

[20:55] <hope-VHL> 3don't you think it will be obvious when it does happen though? I mean, not a secret type thing that we won't even have a clue about

[20:55] <HostBob> "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." (Daniel 9:27 NASB)

[20:56] <HostBob> most believe that the "middle of the week" implies that he is breaking the covenant

[20:56] <HostBob> here is my interpretation.....

[20:56] <HostBob> which is only my opinion

[20:56] <hope-VHL> 3you're entitled! ;)

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[20:57] <Geneva-VHL> How do you make the smileys

[20:57] <HostBob> After the upcoming war with Syria and Palestine, when Damascus is obliterated....

[20:57] <skip-VHL> 4could also be refering to rapture on 1335 day

[20:57] <HostBob> international outrage against Israel will be great

[20:57] <HostBob> the antichrist will step in...

[20:57] <hope-VHL> 3no, because then we would know the day of the rapture.....

[20:57] <HostBob> and make some kind of agreement to pacify the "many" (the nations)...

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Geneva touch shift then colon and )

[20:58] <HostBob> allowing the temple to be rebuilt and sacrifices to be reestablished

[20:58] <HostBob> but in the middle of the "week"

[20:58] <HostBob> he will break it

[20:58] <HostBob> setting himself up as god in the Temple

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[20:59] <Geneva-VHL> :

[20:59] <skip-VHL> 4so,the day and the hour when HE returns the bible only says we wont know

[20:59] <Kathy-VHL> Bob that scripture reads like there will be another who makes the treaty and the antichrist desolates

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[20:59] <HostBob> yes, Kathy?

[20:59] <hands-VHL> 13Hello everyone, Geneva you have an arrow and the word smileys above where you type

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 5Geneva while holding down shift hit on the colon and then the )

[20:59] <Kathy-VHL> do you see what I am referring to

[20:59] <skip-VHL> 4that somehow got backwards:-)

[21:00] <HostBob> no, tell us :)

[21:00] <HostBob> Welcome, Carl, and Delta :)

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 5shalom Carl and Delta

[21:00] <Delta-VHL> Shalom, room

[21:00] <called__out-VHL> 12Shalom Carl and Delta

[21:00] <Kathy-VHL> that scripture that you put up says he will make a covenant

[21:00] <HostBob> Skip, we don't know now... chances are then we will have a pretty good idea what is going down :)

[21:00] <hope-VHL> 3Skip, I thought when you said the 1335 day, you were talking rapture,

[21:01] <HostBob> yes, Kathy?

[21:01] <Kathy-VHL> on the wing of aboninations will come

[21:01] <skip-VHL> 4yes sir BOB

[21:01] <Kathy-VHL> one who makes desolate

[21:01] <hands-VHL> 13back later

[21:01] <Kathy-VHL> it looks like it is talking about 2 different people

[21:02] <hope-VHL> 3So Bob, you think we won't know EXACTLY the man, UNTIL the first three and half years are over?

[21:02] <HostBob> Could be, perhaps, Kathy...

[21:02] <HostBob> look at several translations of that verse

[21:02] <Gran-VHL> 5:) mine says and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate even until he somsummation and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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[21:02] <HostBob> it is rendered a little different

[21:02] <skip-VHL> 4Ijust wondered if the 1335 days were talking about the rapture

[21:02] <Gran-VHL> 5consummation

[21:02] <Marion-VHL> :

[21:03] <Kathy-VHL> well I was looking at what Bob put up and it threw me a curve

[21:03] <the_fish-VHL> 6good night and god bless it is 3.00 am hear in holland so i am going to sleep nice talking good info to thanks

[21:03] <HostBob> I don't know, hope

[21:03] <HostBob> See ya Fish! Come again!!!!

[21:03] <HostBob> Blessings to you

[21:03] <Delta-VHL> Goodnight and Shalom Fish!

[21:03] <Bezalel-VHL> Bye Fish

[21:03] <skip-VHL> 4SHALOM FISH

[21:03] <Gran-VHL> 5Bod bless fish good rest

[21:03] <hope-VHL> 3Man, I was hoping everthing would be really cut and dry, obvious!

[21:03] <grizz-VHL> goodnight fish LORD bless

[21:03] <Marion-VHL> hi delta

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[21:03] <Delta-VHL> :-) Marion

[21:04] <called__out-VHL> 12God Bless Fish, bye :)

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> 5:) hope I believe that the Father wants us to keep digging and won't make it too easy for us

[21:04] <HostBob> Yeah, hope :)

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> 5Might make us lazy if we get all the answers early

[21:04] <Kathy-VHL> And he shall confirm the covenant F70 with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[21:04] <Geneva-VHL> jI"m leaving Good nigh have really enjoyed this chat bye

[21:05] <HostBob> the same "he" in the first and second phrases?

[21:05] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Geneva :-)

[21:05] <Kathy-VHL> kjv

[21:05] <HostBob> Bye Geneva! We are glad you came!

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[21:05] <Gran-VHL> 5God bless Geneva did you get the smilie thing right

[21:05] <Kathy-VHL> yes in that translation it is but in the other one it threw me a curve because it looked like two difernt ones

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[21:05] <light2-VHL> Bob I have been off trying to find what I was looking for, and in Dan 12:11 the word daily and sacrifice are not in the original language

[21:05] <light2-VHL> http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/962962930.html#11

[21:05] <HostBob> That's why I like to look at several translations

[21:05] <hope-VHL> 3I'm still stuck on what I read that RABIN means "with many", and the peace agreement that was signed back in 1993 with Rabin and Arafat....then he died, and now if one gets "confirmed" it would be the covenant with many, or the pact with the grave (since he's dead)

[21:06] <HostBob> sometimes as many as nine or ten

[21:06] <Kathy-VHL> yea and the lexicon helps lol

[21:06] <light2-VHL> So it is hard to come up with any doctrine about a temple with that verse

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob do you have the origianal Hebrew bible

[21:07] <HostBob> 8548. tamiyd, taw-meed'; from an unused root mean. to stretch; prop. continuance (as indef. extension); but used only (attributively as adj.) constant (or adv. constantly); ellipt. the regular (daily) sacrifice:-- alway (-s), continual (employment, -ly), daily, ([n-]) ever (-more), perpetual.

[21:07] <HostBob> the word in Daniel 12:11, Light

[21:07] <HostBob> Hope, if the peace agreement in 1993 started the seven years...

[21:08] <hope-VHL> 3No, I don't mean that

[21:08] <HostBob> I would expect that there would be little life left on the planet by now :)

[21:08] <light2-VHL> Look at the cuwr, 5943

[21:08] <hope-VHL> 3LOL

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[21:08] <HostBob> Welcome, Rawn!

[21:08] <Delta-VHL> :->

[21:08] <rawn-VHL> thx

[21:08] <hope-VHL> 3I mean that we're only looking for a CONFIRMATION, not a signing......

[21:08] <hope-VHL> 3;)

[21:08] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Delta didnt see you

[21:08] <light2-VHL> the word in hebrew cuwr letter # in strongs is 5943

[21:09] <HostBob> yes, light, for "abolish"

[21:09] <grizz-VHL> +

[21:09] <HostBob> OK - let's move on here.... :)

[21:09] <hope-VHL> 3that's what they're dealing with now, Arafat and Barak.....they are continuing the peace deal that was started back then....

[21:10] <hope-VHL> 3;) good idea

[21:10] <HostBob> oh, I see what you are saying, Light

[21:10] <HostBob> that next week could be the "confirming"

[21:10] <light2-VHL> but the thing abolished is something perpectual

[21:10] <HostBob> but... there is no antichrist like person on the scene yet, for this signing

[21:10] <light2-VHL> and the sacrifice has not been perpectual since after Christ died

[21:11] <Delta-VHL> agreed

[21:11] <Bezalel-VHL> Not even Clinton, Bob?

[21:11] <skip-VHL> 4what about Clinton

[21:11] <Bezalel-VHL> :-)

[21:11] <HostBob> I would suggest... for those who want to learn more about the nature of the antichrist...

[21:11] <Kathy-VHL> he doesnt show himself as the antichrist untill later on

[21:11] <HostBob> study Daniel 7, 8, 9

[21:11] <HostBob> true Kathy....

[21:12] <HostBob> but there are certain characteristics

[21:12] <Bezalel-VHL> Thanks, Bob....

[21:12] <Clint-VHL> Are you sure that there is no AntiChrist "like" person at the signing coming up?

[21:12] <Kathy-VHL> he will appear as a friend at first

[21:12] <HostBob> no, Clint, but that's my opinion

[21:12] <HostBob> who?

[21:12] <hope-VHL> 3but we probably won't even have a clue who he really is, until he sets himself up at the 3 1/2 year point

[21:12] <Delta-VHL> Bob, why isn't the term "anti-Christ

[21:13] <Delta-VHL> used in Revelation?

[21:13] <HostBob> none of those guys are going to inspire the world to follow them :)

[21:13] <rawn-VHL> are most of the people premillenial?

[21:13] <Clint-VHL> I wish I was sure, but then I don't know a whole lot.:-)

[21:13] <skip-VHL> 4clinton fits the description

[21:13] <HostBob> :)

[21:13] <Delta-VHL> Rawn, I am pan millenial.....I am sure it will all pan out in the end!

[21:13] <Bezalel-VHL> Skip, Clinton is a lightweight in comparison with the antiChrist

[21:13] <skip-VHL> 4lol

[21:13] <HostBob> I agree, Bez

[21:13] <called__out-VHL> 12Very good Delta!

[21:14] <rawn-VHL> i agree, too

[21:14] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[21:14] <Clint-VHL> There are some of us who have our eyes on Clinton.

[21:14] <rawn-VHL> 2the anti-Christ will be a lot smoother than Bill

[21:14] <Kathy-VHL> but when satan indwells him look what he could be then

[21:14] <HostBob> ok - enough antichrist talk :) there is much more to discuss tonight :)

[21:14] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[21:14] <hope-VHL> 3Hillary is scarier than Bill, PLEASE

[21:14] <skip-VHL> 4but could he be the false prophet?

[21:14] <Delta-VHL> Jesus is bigger!

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Hey DELTA I will have to remember that one

[21:14] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[21:14] <HostBob> amen, Delta

[21:14] <hope-VHL> 3he's not very religious!

[21:15] <Delta-VHL> Thanks Gran... :->

[21:15] <hope-VHL> 3LOL

[21:15] <Gran-VHL> 5well remember we read the back of the BOOK

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[21:15] <Clint-VHL> What is the subject Bob?

[21:15] <skip-VHL> 4ok BOB what else do you have on you mind ?

[21:15] <HostBob> check out this news item...

[21:16] <HostBob> Hamas terrorist leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin this week threatened to set

[21:16] <HostBob> Israel ablaze if the IDF attacked Palestinians.

[21:16] <HostBob> "The ground on which the Israelis walk will be set on fire if they try to attack us," he said. "The Israelis only understand one language, that of force. They understood it during the years of the Intifada, in south Lebanon, and I can assure you they will feel great bitterness if they try to control the Palestinian people or attack them," he said. Articles in Israel's press over the past few weeks have indicated that the IDF is preparing for a possible Palestinian-initiated war after

[21:16] <HostBob> a unilateral declaration of a Palestinian state on Sept. 13. The assessment is based on Palestinian declarations in the local PA and international Arab press.

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[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 5:) AMEN Grizz :):):):)

[21:18] <HostBob> OK I'm back

[21:18] <HostBob> got tossed out :)

[21:18] <light2-VHL> I have to go and run an erran too God Bless and Keep you all nite

[21:18] <Delta-VHL> :-( awww Bob!

[21:18] <HostBob> that news item was from Arutz Sheva

[21:18] <hope-VHL> 3I asked if he was the one from Iran, Bob?

[21:18] <Delta-VHL> Shalom light!

[21:18] <HostBob> See ya Light!!!!

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 5shalom light God Bless you

[21:18] <HostBob> Shalom to you!

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[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[21:18] <skip-VHL> 4SHALOM LIGHT2

[21:18] <HostBob> He is in Lebanon, Hope

[21:18] <Bezalel-VHL> Shalom, Light

[21:18] <hope-VHL> 3Oh,

[21:19] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, There have also been attacks in Gaza...

[21:19] <HostBob> Here's another news item from Aruzt Sheva

[21:19] <Bezalel-VHL> On the IDF patrols

[21:19] <HostBob> yes, Bez, tell us

[21:19] <Delta-VHL> It seems like there is a "goading" going on for war. :-(

[21:19] <HostBob> yes, Delta

[21:20] <Bezalel-VHL> Bomb alongside the roads, firing on vehicles and such.

[21:20] <hope-VHL> 3things are boiling over!!!!

[21:20] <Clint-VHL> Bob are there very many corn again Christians who really believe that there will be peace?

[21:20] <HostBob> In a series of events organized by the Israeli Arab leadership to celebrate Israel's retreat from Lebanon last month, Israeli Arab MKs and community leaders discussed how the lessons of "Hizbullah's victory" could be applied to their own situation as well as that of the Palestinians.

[21:20] <Clint-VHL> Born, sorry.

[21:20] <Delta-VHL> lol Clint

[21:20] <HostBob> Well, Clint, many people are clueless, it seems - so I can't comment on 'very many"

[21:21] <Clint-VHL> come to think of it I've seen some corn again Christians also.:-)

[21:21] <HostBob> :)

[21:21] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, hasn't there been some more resignations from the Israeli government?

[21:21] <Delta-VHL> Bob, that post says a lot of perspective

[21:21] <hope-VHL> 3LOL

[21:21] <Delta-VHL> lol @ Clint

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> 5Hey kids Gran needs to go lay down had a busy day seeing doctor etc.

[21:21] <HostBob> Yes, Bez, today....

[21:21] <HostBob> 2 parties left the coalition

[21:21] <HostBob> let me paste the news

[21:21] <Delta-VHL> Shalom and speedy healing to you Gran! :-)

[21:21] <hope-VHL> 3God bless you Gran!;)

[21:22] <Kathy-VHL> Blessings Gran

[21:22] <skip-VHL> 4I hope your healing fast GRAN SHALOM

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Shalom to you all and see you on Mon night

[21:22] <Bezalel-VHL> And, the resignations were in response to Baraks position going into the summit.

[21:22] <Clint-VHL> Me too Gran.

[21:22] <HostBob> Bye Gran :)

[21:22] <HostBob> yes, Bez

[21:22] <called__out-VHL> 12Bye, Bye Gran, sleep tight. :)

[21:22] <HostBob> JERUSALEM (AP) — Two parties in Ehud Barak's ruling coalition Wednesday said they would leave his government ahead of a U.S.-hosted peace summit, possibly depriving the prime minister of the broad consensus he says he needs to make peace. Natan Sharansky's immigrants party and the National Religious Party indicated that they cannot remain in Barak's coalition government as long as Barak appears ready to make the far-reaching land concessions that could clinch a deal with the

[21:22] <HostBob> Palestinians next week.

[21:22] <Bezalel-VHL> God bless you Gran:-)

[21:22] <HostBob> They are protesting... that Barak will not disclose..

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5skip it is going good just the bone graft site reamains a problem but then I knew it would

[21:22] <HostBob> the extent of the concessions he is willing to make

[21:23] <skip-VHL> 4:-)

[21:23] <Marion-VHL> God bless you gran & keep you close to Him

[21:23] <HostBob> The Lord's healing blessings to you, Gan

[21:23] <HostBob> Gran

[21:23] <called__out-VHL> 12How can Barak represent his government when no one know what concessions he plans?

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 5well good for them someone has a back bone over there at least

[21:23] <Delta-VHL> Wasn't Barak's response about going ahead even if he only has 9 partiens in the Knesset?

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[21:23] <HostBob> Good question Called

[21:23] <HostBob> Welcome, Jerry!

[21:23] <Delta-VHL> yeah, Called!

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 5God Bless you all be good i will come on tomorrow and read what you all said bye for now

[21:23] <Delta-VHL> :-) Jerry

[21:23] <HostBob> Yes, Delta, he was very defiant about it

[21:23] <hope-VHL> 3so in reality Bob, Barak can't do much without their support right? So if a peace agreement isn't reached, and all hell breaks loose with the Arabs, then they couldn't blame it on Barak

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[21:24] <Delta-VHL> That didn't make friends and influence people

[21:24] <HostBob> it undermines his support, whether or not it will topple the government remains to be seen

[21:24] <HostBob> he could still go ahead with it, and plans to, from what I have heard

[21:24] <Delta-VHL> More no confidence votes?

[21:25] <HostBob> yes, Likud has called for one

[21:25] <Bezalel-VHL> The summit is next week, so no time to remove him from office.

[21:25] <hope-VHL> 3boy, Baraks position has a lot of power!

[21:25] <Clint-VHL> Is it possible that Clinton and the rest of the heathen world will try to exert pressure on the Ministers of Israel to go along with Barak.

[21:25] <HostBob> Barak says it's now 50/50 for an agreement...

[21:26] <HostBob> but that would only be if he makes ridiculous concessions to Arafat

[21:26] <HostBob> I don't know if they have that kind of influence, Clint?

[21:26] <HostBob> But Barak himself will certainly be pressured in the "summit"

[21:26] <called__out-VHL> 12Do you think Barak really believes it is 50/50. That is awfully optimistic seeing how things are and who he is dealing with.

[21:26] <Bezalel-VHL> Even Clinton has his spin doctors making it sound like he may not be able to pull it off. Wonder if that is to make him a bigger hero if a watered down agreement comes out of it

[21:26] <HostBob> that's what it's all about

[21:27] <Clint-VHL> I didn't mean for that to read like "name" calling folks, sorry.

[21:27] <HostBob> Either way, it will lead to war, whether they appease them more, or not

[21:27] <Clint-VHL> Exactly Bob

[21:27] <hope-VHL> 3what are you talking about Clint "name" calling?

[21:27] <Delta-VHL> Bezalel, I don't think anything can make anyone a hero for God in this :-(

[21:28] <Delta-VHL> What, Clint?

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[21:28] <Bezalel-VHL> :-)You said it Delta

[21:28] <HostBob> Hello, Rich!

[21:28] <Clint-VHL> The reference to "rest of the heathen world".

[21:28] <called__out-VHL> 12Clint, :)

[21:28] <Delta-VHL> Oh Clint, I think we agree with you...lol

[21:28] <skip-VHL> 4hi rich

[21:28] <Bezalel-VHL> BRB dog needs a potty break

[21:28] <Rich-VHL> hi Bob

[21:28] <HostBob> But - we, meaning the Christian community, needs to call out to the Lord

[21:29] <Rich-VHL> 4hello everyone

[21:29] <Delta-VHL> Yes, Bob

[21:29] <HostBob> as Daniel did, making petition on behalf of His holy mountain

[21:29] <Marion-VHL> hi rich

[21:29] <called__out-VHL> 12Yes, Bob, for the people of Israel. They have terrible times on the horizon.

[21:29] <Delta-VHL> Bob, I really see no way this can not end in a war....and perhaps a war with Israel against Israel> :-( Just a thought

[21:29] <Marion-VHL> That is the best that we can do

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 4hi skip and Marion

[21:30] <jerry-VHL> Not feeling well this evening. Just reading, but blessings to all.

[21:30] <hope-VHL> 3the "rest of the heathen world" isn't in here, Clint, so why would you be apologizing to us?

[21:30] <HostBob> Do you realize what a privilege we have now? TO be living now?

[21:30] <skip-VHL> 4amen called

[21:30] <Marion-VHL> we know the end & we need to pray for Israel

[21:30] <HostBob> and witnessing these things?

[21:30] <Delta-VHL> Be blessed back, Jerry

[21:30] <skip-VHL> 4amen BOB

[21:30] <Clint-VHL> Bob correct me if I'm wrong but the Nation of Israel doesn't necessarily have to agree with the signing of the peace contract with the antichrist according to the Bible do they?

[21:30] <Delta-VHL> Yes, Bob

[21:30] <HostBob> and making supplication

[21:30] <hope-VHL> 3Kind of scary Bob......

[21:30] <Kathy-VHL> amen Bob

[21:31] <HostBob> Good question, Clint, we touched on that a little earlier...

[21:31] <HostBob> it's a little vague what the "covenant with the many" is

[21:31] <Clint-VHL> Not apologizing to you guys, just trying to watch my biting tongue.:-)

[21:31] <HostBob> A little scary, Hope, in a sense

[21:31] <skip-VHL> 4lol

[21:31] <HostBob> but exciting also

[21:32] <Delta-VHL> Bob? Didn't Barak say he would not make a "contract" until there was a vote of the people? Or am I misunderstanding that?

[21:32] <hope-VHL> 3clint :)

[21:32] <Rich-VHL> 4I think we will see what is to happen real soon now Bob

[21:32] <Kathy-VHL> exciting for us bou sad for those who are lost

[21:32] <Delta-VHL> yes, Kathy

[21:32] <Clint-VHL> Kathy you are so right.

[21:32] <HostBob> Yes, Delta, I believe that he has committed previously to putting any agreement to a nation referendum

[21:32] <Rich-VHL> 4very true Kathy

[21:33] <Delta-VHL> How many Arabs have voting rights in Israel?

[21:33] <Delta-VHL> :-(

[21:33] <Delta-VHL> Sorry....

[21:33] <HostBob> As we watch these things happen..

[21:33] <hope-VHL> 3I still think Scary! The Seventieth week will be the scariest time ever to witness to people!

[21:34] <HostBob> it reminds me of the many many places in the Bible...

[21:34] <Kathy-VHL> I look around me daily where I live and people are not aware they are lost and dont want to hear

[21:34] <HostBob> where we are told to remember the awesome works God has done and will yet do

[21:34] <Delta-VHL> He's still the Boss

[21:34] <Bezalel-VHL> The Alpha and Omega

[21:34] <HostBob> yes, Kathy, and the "don't want to hear" will only intensify as we approach the end

[21:35] <Delta-VHL> :-) Bez

[21:35] <Marion-VHL> kathy we can't forget what is happening in Revelations during the second half. the plauges the famine etc. is world wide

[21:35] <Clint-VHL> Kathy I look around and people know that they are lost and don't seem to care.:-(

[21:35] <Kathy-VHL> yes it is a sign of the times

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 4Amen Bezalel

[21:35] <skip-VHL> 4amen Kathy and they don't even know what is coming

[21:35] <hope-VHL> 3Yeah, we're going to look even MORE "foolish" than Noah did!

[21:35] <Kathy-VHL> that s right clint[21:35] <HostBob> OK, I feel like sharing a Psalm :)

[21:35] <Delta-VHL> This seems to be a sobering realization, huh?

[21:35] <Delta-VHL> Ok, good!

[21:35] <Bezalel-VHL> I believe you're right Hope

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 4go Bob

[21:35] <HostBob> I will exalt you, my God the King; I will praise your name for ever and ever.

[21:35] <skip-VHL> 4not we THEY

[21:35] <hope-VHL> 3go ahead Bob,

[21:35] <HostBob> Every day I will praise you and extol your name for ever and ever.

[21:36] <HostBob> Great is the LORD and most worthy of praise; his greatness no one can fathom.

[21:36] <HostBob> One generation will commend your works to another; they will tell of your mighty acts.

[21:36] <HostBob> They will speak of the glorious splendor of your majesty, and I will meditate on your wonderful works.

[21:36] <Rich-VHL> 4His the Most High God

[21:36] <Delta-VHL> (amen!)

[21:36] <HostBob> They will tell of the power of your awesome works, and I will proclaim your great deeds.

[21:36] <HostBob> They will celebrate your abundant goodness and joyfully sing of your righteousness.

[21:37] <HostBob> The LORD is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in love.

[21:37] <Rich-VHL> 4He is the Most High God

[21:37] <HostBob> The LORD is good to all; he has compassion on all he has made.

[21:37] <HostBob> All you have made will praise you, O LORD; your saints will extol you.

[21:37] <Delta-VHL> (thank You, Lord!)

[21:37] <HostBob> They will tell of the glory of your kingdom and speak of your might,

[21:37] <HostBob> so that all men may know of your mighty acts and the glorious splendor of your kingdom.

[21:37] <HostBob> Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and your dominion endures through all generations. The LORD is faithful to all his promises and loving toward all he has made.

[21:37] <Rich-VHL> 4every knee will bow to Him

[21:38] <HostBob> That's the first part of Psalm 145

[21:38] <hope-VHL> 3Praise God!

[21:38] <Clint-VHL> Isn't it great that we can discuss this and encourage each other to witness.:-)

[21:38] <HostBob> Yes, Praise the Lord God of Heaven!

[21:38] <Bezalel-VHL> Praise God

[21:39] <skip-VHL> 4I LOVE YOU YESHUA

[21:39] <called__out-VHL> 12His Name is Wonderful

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 4me too

[21:39] <called__out-VHL> 12God of all Ages

[21:39] <Delta-VHL> I need to confess that I have wanted to be hear in these times as long as I can remember, but now...

[21:39] <HostBob> Yes, Lord Jesus, Messiah, you are so good to us

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 4what is it Delta

[21:39] <HostBob> so patient and forgiving

[21:39] <Delta-VHL> the verse "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet beleived" sounds good. :->

[21:39] <Marion-VHL> God is so good!!!!!!!!

[21:40] <Marion-VHL> ALL the time

[21:40] <HostBob> thank you for your atonement for us

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[21:40] <HostBob> to cleanse us

[21:40] <hope-VHL> 3We lift your Awesome name up, Lord Jesus!

[21:40] <Delta-VHL> Yes, God

[21:40] <HostBob> Amen, Marion

[21:40] <Clint-VHL> Bob I don't know very much about polotics in Israel. How much can Barak do against what he publically says?

[21:40] <called__out-VHL> 12The first thing I think of when I awake and the last thing I think when I lay down. His name is Wonderful.

[21:40] <Rich-VHL> 4it was written for us Delta

[21:40] <HostBob> Clint, you know how politicians are...

[21:40] <hope-VHL> 3AWESOME!!!

[21:40] <HostBob> saying one thing, doing another

[21:40] <jerry-VHL> Good night all!Not feeling well. Many blessing to you all.

[21:40] <hope-VHL> 3brb

[21:41] <HostBob> and a lot happens behind the scenes that we don't know about

[21:41] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Jerry

[21:41] <Bezalel-VHL> Bye Jerry

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[21:41] <called__out-VHL> 12Get better Jerry, sleep well.

[21:41] <Clint-VHL> Nuff said. That's what is scary.:-(

[21:41] <Rich-VHL> 4by jerry hope you get better soon

[21:41] <HostBob> Yeah, in a way

[21:41] <skip-VHL> 4I Pray you get to feeling better Jerry

[21:41] <HostBob> but God is not surprised by their intrigues :)

[21:41] <HostBob> He hears and sees it all

[21:41] <Delta-VHL> Some trust in chariots, some in horses, but we will remember the Lord our God!

[21:42] <HostBob> Amen, Delta!

[21:42] <Clint-VHL> Ain't that the truth.

[21:42] <Bezalel-VHL> He's usually encouraged the behaviour, such as with Pharoah

[21:42] <HostBob> good point, Bez

[21:42] <Rich-VHL> 4Amen Delta

[21:42] <HostBob> or Samson, right Bez?

[21:42] <Marion-VHL> We will trust the Lord with all our hears, strength & minds

[21:42] <skip-VHL> 4thats for sure Bob can you imagine what they don't tell us

[21:42] <Delta-VHL> I never understood that part, Bob. Really.

[21:42] <Clint-VHL> You both are right.

[21:43] <HostBob> with Samson, God was actually working to provoke an incident with the Philistines

[21:43] <HostBob> what's taht, Delta?

[21:43] <Bezalel-VHL> Yes, and too many to number. It's ALL God's plan for eternity.

[21:43] <HostBob> yeah, Skip

[21:43] <Clint-VHL> You are right Bez.

[21:43] <Delta-VHL> Why God would make Pharoah so stubborn.....maybe to teach the Israelites patience?

[21:43] <HostBob> no... to display HIS power and glory

[21:43] <Rich-VHL> 4if they told us skip we would know what they do and they can't have that

[21:44] <Delta-VHL> Absolutely! But I think the cloud of glory and fire could have made me beleive! LOL

[21:44] <Bezalel-VHL> Didn't it also move the Israelites to return to the Lord, Bob?

[21:44] <called__out-VHL> 12Question?

[21:44] <HostBob> I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they will go in after them. And I will gain glory through Pharaoh and all his army, through his chariots and his horsemen. (Exodus 14:17 NIV) The Egyptians will know that I am the LORD when I gain glory through Pharaoh, his chariots and his horsemen." (Exodus 14:18 NIV)

[21:44] <skip-VHL> 4like the tip of the iceburg

[21:44] <Marion-VHL> pharoah had a choice too Delta

[21:44] <Rich-VHL> 4cause they have big plans for us

[21:44] <HostBob> Yes, Bez, good point - it was an object lesson, often pointed to

[21:44] <Delta-VHL> ok

[21:45] <HostBob> to "remember" the power of the Lord (for Israel)

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 4but God says the plans of them will be thwarted

[21:45] <HostBob> and the phrase...

[21:45] <HostBob> "then they will know I am the Lord"

[21:45] <HostBob> is used MANY MANY times by Ezekiel

[21:45] <Delta-VHL> God is so smart, He can take one thing and do many things as a result!

[21:45] <HostBob> to describe the motivation for the events in the last days

[21:46] <HostBob> right, Delta :)

[21:46] <HostBob> That's right, Rich

[21:46] <Delta-VHL> Rich, Skip, I am getting you two confused! LOL

[21:46] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, I may be wrong, but seems there will be a great reawakening of our faith in God at the end times.

[21:46] <skip-VHL> 4:-)

[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 4Ok i"ll change colors

[21:47] <Clint-VHL> Bob this is what the entire Bible is about, bringing people back to a knowledge of the Lord God from whence they (we) fell.

[21:47] <Delta-VHL> lol, nawww, give me the challenge, Skip!

[21:47] <HostBob> Bez, for the true believers, perhaps... but Jesus indicated the opposite (and Paul) - a great abandonment and betrayal of the faith

[21:47] <HostBob> Amen, CLint!!!!

[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 4purple:-)

[21:48] <Bezalel-VHL> You're right Bob, I did mean within the church.

[21:48] <HostBob> yes, one would hope so, huh?

[21:48] <called__out-VHL> 12There will be a great falling away

[21:48] <Bezalel-VHL> The immorality, and sin, will also increase as the secular humanists realize it is their last hurrah.

[21:48] <Delta-VHL> I know I felt a change happening about 3:00 am Tuesday morning....woke up crying

[21:49] <Clint-VHL> That is a question that has been plagueing me lately. Some of the Christian world is saying that a great revival is beginning just before the Lord comes and others are talking about the great falling away. What are you guys thoughts?

[21:49] <Rich-VHL> 6there will have to be Bob cause God is going to put His power on display for all the world to see

[21:49] <HostBob> Jesus said there will be a falling away

[21:49] <Marion-VHL> bob I think that many willaccept Jesus during that time

[21:49] <Bezalel-VHL> :-)Rich

[21:49] <HostBob> yes, but...

[21:49] <skip-VHL> 474what do mean delta?

[21:49] <Marion-VHL> the 144,000 will be sealed to preach the gospel

[21:50] <Delta-VHL> Just a need to pray, to intercede, Skip

[21:50] <Marion-VHL> & then there are the 2 witnesses too

[21:50] <HostBob> Even though they see....

[21:50] <HostBob> The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk. (Revelation 9:20 NIV)

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[21:50] <Delta-VHL> I would love to see a great revival before a falling away

[21:51] <called__out-VHL> 12Delta ;)

[21:51] <HostBob> Sure, Delta, and many are coming to faith in other parts of the world

[21:51] <Marion-VHL> there is a great falling away now

[21:51] <Rich-VHL> 6I can't imagine anyone not beliving after what He is going to do here on earth

[21:51] <Delta-VHL> Rich, I think many don't believe He even exists

[21:51] <HostBob> but what do see in America? apathy, coldness, deadness, self-satisfaction

[21:51] <Delta-VHL> Or that He is too loving to do something like that

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[21:51] <skip-VHL> 4your right delta I should pray more also

[21:51] <Delta-VHL> yes, Bob

[21:52] <Marion-VHL> but we a re supposed to be a christian nation & look at us!!!!!!!

[21:52] <Clint-VHL> You're right Bob.

[21:52] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, we also see deception, lies and broken promises

[21:52] <called__out-VHL> 12People are all involved in daily life, think life will go on forever.

[21:52] <HostBob> Rich, many didn't believe even when they saw Jesus do great miracles

[21:52] <Delta-VHL> Ok, now I am being reminded of a song again! LOL

[21:52] <HostBob> Sing, Delta :)

[21:52] <Delta-VHL> yes, I will show restraint!

[21:52] <Rich-VHL> 6we are not in hardship so we as a nation tend to ignore God Marion

[21:52] <Marion-VHL> sing it Delta

[21:52] <called__out-VHL> 12Sing it Delta ;)

[21:53] <HostBob> Right, Rich

[21:53] <Rich-VHL> 6yes Delta

[21:53] <Clint-VHL> Delta Dawn:-)

[21:53] <Delta-VHL> "If I do a miracle, before your eyes, If I could change the rain, to clear blue skies

[21:53] <Delta-VHL> If I could open up the blinded eyes to see, would you beleive in Me?

[21:53] <Marion-VHL> yes & when we see the evil in our nation it truely is a falling away from God

[21:54] <Delta-VHL> If I could die for you, and live again, would you beleive in Me?"

[21:54] <Delta-VHL> (abbreviated version! LOL)

[21:54] <HostBob> Clap Clap

[21:54] <called__out-VHL> 12Beautiful ;)

[21:54] <Rich-VHL> 6very good Delta

[21:54] <Marion-VHL> that is beautiful Delta

[21:54] <Delta-VHL> Its from an old album by "Truth"

[21:54] <HostBob> Here's a hard saying...

[21:54] <Bezalel-VHL> Thank you, Delta...that was perfect:-)

[21:54] <Delta-VHL> showing my age

[21:54] <HostBob> someone explain this :)

[21:54] <skip-VHL> 4If U.S. was a Christian nation abortion wouldn't be legal

[21:54] <HostBob> From the last chapter of the Bible..

[21:55] <HostBob> Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy." (Revelation 22:11 NIV)

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[21:55] <called__out-VHL> 12We have to remember that the old deceiver is going to and fro deceiving many and they don't believe.

[21:55] <Rich-VHL> 6I wish I could have heard it for real rather than just read it

[21:55] <Marion-VHL> I used to think ...how could the isrealites go & worship the golden calf after all that God had just done for them.....

[21:55] <HostBob> Welcome back, Kathy!

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> Ok, Bob, what's the verse before and after????

[21:55] <Marion-VHL> & yet we doo the same thing

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> KATHY! :-)

[21:55] <called__out-VHL> 12Agree Skip....American will see the rath of God because of abortion.

[21:55] <Clint-VHL> Sounds like the end of changing things to me.

[21:55] <Kathy-VHL> thanks got booted

[21:55] <HostBob> ok, I'll give some context

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> :-) thanks

[21:56] <HostBob> The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place." (Revelation 22:6 NIV)

[21:56] <HostBob> "Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book." (Revelation 22:7 NIV)

[21:56] <HostBob> I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. (Revelation 22:8 NIV)

[21:56] <Marion-VHL> (this room excluded of course :-)

[21:56] <HostBob> But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!" (Revelation 22:9 NIV)

[21:56] <HostBob> Then he told me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near. (Revelation 22:10 NIV)

[21:56] <HostBob> Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy." (Revelation 22:11 NIV)

[21:56] <HostBob> "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. (Revelation 22:12 NIV)

[21:57] <HostBob> I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. (Revelation 22:13 NIV)

[21:57] <HostBob> There ya go :)

[21:57] <Rich-VHL> 6Amen Amen Bob

[21:57] <HostBob> So.. why does God say that in verse 11?

[21:57] <Delta-VHL> Ummmm, don't be a hypocrite at the last minute???

[21:57] <called__out-VHL> 12Preach on ;)

[21:57] <skip-VHL> 4and I have heard more than one church going mom say if their daughter got pregant before finishing college they would get them an abortion , Imagine that

[21:57] <Clint-VHL> I repeat the end of changing anything, eternity.

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[21:58] <called__out-VHL> 12Because He knows what people will do....

[21:58] <Delta-VHL> Could be, Clint...gotta chew on it

[21:58] <Rich-VHL> 6It is horrible skip

[21:58] <Delta-VHL> But the reward is coming soon after....

[21:58] <HostBob> I think it's referring specifically to the "tribulation" period...

[21:58] <Clint-VHL> Abortion is a horrible thing no doubt. All sin is.

[21:59] <HostBob> when the lines will be drawn VERY clearly

[21:59] <called__out-VHL> 12Even in the end...people will continue doing wrong.

[21:59] <Delta-VHL> wow, Bob

[21:59] <HostBob> either FOR Jesus or against Him (and for the antichrist)

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 6and keep on worshipping their idols

[21:59] <HostBob> yes

[21:59] <Kathy-VHL> it may be indication that there is no hope for the lost after a certain point and thea there is no use for them to stop

[22:00] <Bezalel-VHL> The fifth seal is just the first of the martyrs from the tribulation

[22:00] <skip-VHL> 4I donn't see how they serve two masters and not get confused

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[22:00] <Delta-VHL> You know, there is so much New Age religion stuff going on....I wonder if that is part of it?

[22:00] <called__out-VHL> 12I believe our idols are material things today...more than actual idols, you see people on Sunday morning washing their cars (idols)

[22:00] <Delta-VHL> yes Skip

[22:00] <HostBob> or perhaps a little bit of sarcasm? like some of the prophets used?

[22:00] <HostBob> for example

[22:00] <Clint-VHL> I personally don''t see it that way Bob. I rather think that it is after the New Heavens and the New Earth and eternity has begun. All changes will have been made then.

[22:00] <Rich-VHL> 6you are right thereDelta

[22:00] <Bezalel-VHL> New Age, One World, secular humanism....Delta

[22:00] <HostBob> "Keep on, then, with your magic spells and with your many sorceries, which you have labored at since childhood. Perhaps you will succeed, perhaps you will cause terror. (Isaiah 47:12 NIV)

[22:00] <Delta-VHL> Yeah. New Age is old stuff. :-(

[22:01] <Delta-VHL> Oh Bob....that fits right in!

[22:01] <Bezalel-VHL> :-)Bob

[22:01] <HostBob> Yes, it does :) the same idea

[22:01] <called__out-VHL> 12Yea Delta, same ol, same ol. If it feels good it has to be right.

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 6:-)

[22:01] <skip-VHL> 4The media is sure pushing this Harry Potter stuff

[22:02] <Delta-VHL> Well, some hospitals here use "aura readers" and stones and stuff and insurance companies pay for it. That is how accepted it is

[22:02] <HostBob> Yes, Skip

[22:02] <Kathy-VHL> tell us sko[

[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 6who is harry potter skip

[22:02] <Delta-VHL> oh, yes, go on Skip

[22:02] <HostBob> more indoctrination into witchcraft and the occult for children

[22:02] <HostBob> as if they needed more

[22:02] <HostBob> they are already immersed in it

[22:02] <Delta-VHL> Oh, like Goosebumps?

[22:02] <skip-VHL> 4a childrens book caracter who is a wisard

[22:02] <HostBob> on TV

[22:02] <HostBob> and books

[22:02] <Bezalel-VHL> Skip, saw a news piece where a librarian got in trouble for questioning the Harry Potter hype

[22:02] <Marion-VHL> skip I can't imagine!!!!!!!!

[22:02] <HostBob> and games

[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 6in shcols Bob

[22:02] <HostBob> yes

[22:03] <Delta-VHL> oh dear

[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 6school

[22:03] <HostBob> the occult has become very "natural" to the young generation

[22:03] <Delta-VHL> If anyone is interested, Frank Peretti has great books for kids...might be a good counter

[22:03] <called__out-VHL> 12It is like everything else, they say makes kids read, so it has to be good.

[22:03] <Clint-VHL> Bob back to the 22 Ch of Revelations. Isn't Ch 22 concerning Heaven?

[22:03] <Kathy-VHL> the ground work was laid a few years back about 25 or so

[22:04] <HostBob> Yes, it is Clint...

[22:04] <Delta-VHL> Well, look at how even our groceries are affected by New Age? Its a lot

[22:04] <HostBob> but...

[22:04] <Marion-VHL> but v.17 shows salvation is still offered

[22:04] <HostBob> it take the passage there as kind of an "aside" to people..

[22:04] <Bezalel-VHL> The same week that the Supreme Court ruled no prayers at football games, the Dali Lama was "worshipped" in the capital mall, in DC. E

[22:04] <HostBob> telling them to get ready for what is going to happen

[22:04] <Marion-VHL> true called

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 6oh no Bez

[22:05] <called__out-VHL> 12bez, can you believe that :-(

[22:05] <Delta-VHL> At the risk of being wrong....I think the New Age /humanism religion is where the Beast could trip people up.

[22:05] <Delta-VHL> Richard Gere has been promoting the Dahli Dude

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 6what has happened to our country for that to happen here Bez

[22:05] <Clint-VHL> I see what you're saying but I'm not sure that I can agree. I'll mull it over. Thank you.

[22:06] <HostBob> There is a widespread campaign to prepare people for otherworldly messengers, guides, helpers (demons)

[22:06] <skip-VHL> 4and nearly all commercials on tv have something VILE about them

[22:06] <HostBob> sci-fi focuses on that

[22:06] <called__out-VHL> 12aliens :)

[22:06] <HostBob> yes

[22:06] <Delta-VHL> yeah, I like Star Wars, and Liam Neeson, but this last one was full of a lot of stuff

[22:06] <called__out-VHL> 12New Agers believe we are going to be caught up on space ships.

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 6true skip

[22:07] <skip-VHL> 4JOHN HAGEE said aliens are probably demons

[22:07] <Marion-VHL> I just saw a site for harry potter on the web

[22:07] <Delta-VHL> Oh there was a cereal commercial that showed a wicca joining and no one really seemed to catch it...

[22:07] <called__out-VHL> 12really? didn't know that Skip.

[22:07] <Rich-VHL> 6probably are skip

[22:07] <Delta-VHL> yeah.

[22:07] <HostBob> and God is allowing it.. in effect telling the world, "If you won't listen to what I have said, then you will see what your other "voices" are really all about

[22:08] <HostBob> I think that's the meaning of that verse in Rev 22...

[22:08] <Delta-VHL> Hmmm, maybe Peretti was onto something?

[22:08] <Kathy-VHL> Oh what a time to live in

[22:08] <HostBob> God giving the world over to it's rebellion...

[22:08] <skip-VHL> 4makes sence to me BOB

[22:08] <called__out-VHL> 12Could I ask a question?

[22:08] <HostBob> and saying, "if you want to be vile, then be vile"

[22:08] <Rich-VHL> 6Bob didn't God say somewhere in the Bible about letting people go to their lusts

[22:08] <HostBob> right, Rich - Romans 1

[22:08] <Delta-VHL> Listening Called....

[22:08] <HostBob> yes, called?

[22:08] <Rich-VHL> 6I knew it was there

[22:09] <Rich-VHL> 6go called

[22:09] <called__out-VHL> 12Please forgive my ignorance, but do I have it right that if Israel does go to war with Arafat and his supporters. God will go to war with Arafat because

[22:09] <HostBob> that's a good question called...

[22:09] <called__out-VHL> 12Israel will not be removed from her land again?

[22:10] <HostBob> there are several possible answers to that - any takers?

[22:10] <Delta-VHL> Called, I think that is part of it, yes.

[22:10] <Delta-VHL> oh, I went and stepped in it, didn't I?

[22:10] <called__out-VHL> 12;)

[22:10] <Bezalel-VHL> I thought what you had us look at in Zechariah covered part of that, Bob. The Lord will protect Israel

[22:11] <HostBob> Well, remember, in the Bible, what happened many times when Israel went to war, but were not trusting in the Lord?

[22:11] <HostBob> Yes, Bez, ultimately He will

[22:11] <Delta-VHL> They got in big trouble, didn't they Bob?

[22:11] <called__out-VHL> 12yes, this could be like those other times.

[22:11] <HostBob> yes, they did

[22:11] <HostBob> however, having said that...

[22:12] <HostBob> I personally believe... :)

[22:12] <HostBob> that they will end up with even more land after this war

[22:12] <Bezalel-VHL> Like, now Bob? Stan said Monday that Israel is failing to follow the Lord from democracy, at least that is what I got from it

[22:12] <Clint-VHL> Called_out I have some relatives who are involved in the "Urantia" religion and the are active Methodists.

[22:12] <HostBob> that's my own opinion, of course

[22:12] <HostBob> not a prophecy

[22:12] <HostBob> Yes, I read that in the transcript, Bez

[22:12] <Delta-VHL> Bob, I see it as Arabs challenging God.....like Goliath making fun of God

[22:13] <HostBob> right, Delta!

[22:13] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, doesn't the Lord move the Israelites to safe haven during the tribulation?

[22:13] <skip-VHL> 4what is URANTIA?

[22:13] <Clint-VHL> If you don't know "Urantia Book" believes in the space beings being the saviour of manki8nd.

[22:13] <called__out-VHL> 12Clint, I have never heard of Methodists like that,, well...

[22:13] <Clint-VHL> Thought you would ask.

[22:13] <Delta-VHL> And I think God's gonna say "enuf!" and defend Israel because of who He is

[22:13] <HostBob> and I do believe there are prophecies that speak directly to that effect, Delta

[22:13] <Delta-VHL> Just my thoughts

[22:13] <HostBob> right, and because He will have compassion on Israel, in spite of themselves

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[22:14] <HostBob> to show them who HE is, as you said :)

[22:14] <Clint-VHL> Most Methodists are not like that. This pastor happens to be very Liberal apparently.

[22:14] <Bezalel-VHL> All part of the plan, Bob

[22:14] <Delta-VHL> yes. Like He did when He had Gideon scale down his army

[22:14] <HostBob> Yup :)

[22:14] <Bezalel-VHL> ;-)

[22:14] <Rich-VHL> 6I think it is giong to rough for us christians durring all that is going to take place in the near future

[22:14] <Delta-VHL> May I add a thought?

[22:14] <skip-VHL> 4oh didn't know about them Clint

[22:14] <HostBob> That's right, Rich

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[22:15] <HostBob> Go, Delta

[22:15] <HostBob> Welcome, Diane!

[22:15] <HostBob> And Paul also, Shalom!

[22:15] <Delta-VHL> ok...

[22:15] <Diane-VHL> 10Thank you

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 6hi Diane

[22:15] <Diane-VHL> 10Hi Rich

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 6hi Paul

[22:15] <Delta-VHL> We spoke of how the Lord would come back and kick rear

[22:15] <HostBob> yeah, what translation is that? :)

[22:16] <Diane-VHL> 10AMEN. Can't Wait Delta

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[22:16] <Delta-VHL> I really feel He is even now scaling down the army to be sure He gets the Glory

[22:16] <HostBob> or is that in the Hebrew? :)

[22:16] <hope-VHL> 3Israel will end up with more land, right, but will be hated by most nations....

[22:16] <Delta-VHL> Oh, that's the "Delta" paraphrase! LOL

[22:16] <HostBob> Interesting point, Delta

[22:16] <Bezalel-VHL> :-):-)Delta

[22:16] <HostBob> yes, hope

[22:16] <Delta-VHL> But, it may be a war HAS to be, in order for God to be placed in His place in the hearts of His people?

[22:16] <Delta-VHL> A thought???

[22:16] <HostBob> yeah :)

[22:17] <skip-VHL> 4a good one

[22:17] <Delta-VHL> Just looking at the history of war and Israel...sigh

[22:17] <HostBob> It seems that there is a consensus, here in VHL chat anyway, that war is soon and inevitable

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[22:17] <called__out-VHL> 12After God kicks rear, will that be the beginning of the Trip?

[22:17] <hope-VHL> 3agree

[22:17] <Bezalel-VHL> And the Lord will win!

[22:17] <Diane-VHL> 10I will agree to that

[22:17] <Clint-VHL> Sorry guys I got bumped.

[22:18] <Delta-VHL> God wins! (Headlines for eternity)

[22:18] <HostBob> it'll be a trip allright :)

[22:18] <hope-VHL> 3God will show His wrath at the START of the SEVENTH SEAL

[22:18] <Delta-VHL> Welcome back Clint!

[22:18] <skip-VHL> 4I think the papers tell us a war is inevitable

[22:18] <HostBob> Welcome back, Clint

[22:18] <Rich-VHL> 6good vs bad skip

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[22:18] <Delta-VHL> You know, the neat thing about this, is the captivity of the Jews will be to know Yeshua? Or am I wrong?

[22:18] <Diane-VHL> 10Hi Audra!

[22:18] <skip-VHL> 4and of course ISRAEL will be the Bad guy

[22:19] <HostBob> Listen to this..

[22:19] <HostBob> just stumbled on it in Isaiah...

[22:19] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> hello eveyone

[22:19] <skip-VHL> 4how was your swim?

[22:19] <HostBob> "Listen to this, O house of Jacob, you who are called by the name of Israel and come from the line of Judah, you who take oaths in the name of the LORD and invoke the God of Israel-- but not in truth or righteousness-- (Isaiah 48:1 NIV)

[22:19] <Rich-VHL> 6hi Audra

[22:19] <Diane-VHL> 10Delta...maybe the Headline will read "God kicks rear"

[22:19] <HostBob> you who call yourselves citizens of the holy city and rely on the God of Israel-- the LORD Almighty is his name: (Isaiah 48:2 NIV)

[22:19] <Delta-VHL> ROFL

[22:19] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6it was fun!!

[22:19] <HostBob> I foretold the former things long ago, my mouth announced them and I made them known; then suddenly I acted, and they came to pass. (Isaiah 48:3 NIV)

[22:20] <HostBob> For I knew how stubborn you were; the sinews of your neck were iron, your forehead was bronze. (Isaiah 48:4 NIV)

[22:20] <HostBob> Therefore I told you these things long ago; before they happened I announced them to you so that you could not say, 'My idols did them; my wooden image and metal god ordained them.' (Isaiah 48:5 NIV)

[22:20] <HostBob> You have heard these things; look at them all. Will you not admit them? "From now on I will tell you of new things, of hidden things unknown to you. (Isaiah 48:6 NIV)

[22:20] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6the lord was watching over and watching me swim!!!!

[22:20] <HostBob> that really strikes me as being relevant to today

[22:20] <called__out-VHL> 12wow Bob, sounds like He is talking about the Israeli Gov.

[22:20] <skip-VHL> 4amen BOB

[22:20] <HostBob> yes, exactly

[22:20] <Delta-VHL> Chewing on steak on that one!

[22:20] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6hello kathy!!!

[22:21] <called__out-VHL> 12Could it be any clearer?

[22:21] <Rich-VHL> 6watching you swim Audra

[22:21] <hope-VHL> 3wasn't Daniel told to seal it up until the end times.....

[22:21] <called__out-VHL> 12That is wonderful Audra.

[22:21] <HostBob> listen, there is more!

[22:21] <Delta-VHL> listening

[22:22] <HostBob> You have neither heard nor understood; from of old your ear has not been open. Well do I know how treacherous you are; you were called a rebel from birth. (Isaiah 48:8 NIV)

[22:22] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6and now i,m back from swimming!!!

[22:22] <HostBob> For my own name's sake I delay my wrath; for the sake of my praise I hold it back from you, so as not to cut you off. (Isaiah 48:9 NIV)

[22:22] <HostBob> See, I have refined you, though not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. (Isaiah 48:10 NIV)

[22:22] <HostBob> For my own sake, for my own sake, I do this. How can I let myself be defamed? I will not yield my glory to another. (Isaiah 48:11 NIV)

[22:22] <HostBob> For my own sake, for my own sake, I do this. How can I let myself be defamed? I will not yield my glory to another. (Isaiah 48:11 NIV)

[22:22] <skip-VHL> 4what was revealed looks real bad but can you imagine what was sealed WOW

[22:22] <Delta-VHL> Wow....look at the trials the Jewish people have had....

[22:22] <HostBob> "Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last. (Isaiah 48:12 NIV)

[22:22] <HostBob> Wow

[22:22] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6who all likes christian songs???

[22:23] <Rich-VHL> 6wow is right Bob

[22:23] <HostBob> yeah, that's all i can say - wow

[22:23] <Delta-VHL> Bob, I think those verses can easily pertain to ALL of the branches of the Vine?

[22:23] <hope-VHL> 3AWESOME!

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[22:23] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6do any of you like christian songs???

[22:24] <HostBob> Yes, Audra, we all do :)

[22:24] <Bezalel-VHL> Isn't that saying that the prophesy of the Bible pre-dates all the other new age beliefs, so when they come true, man can't claim any credit for predicting them

[22:24] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6what do you all like??

[22:24] <called__out-VHL> 12Yes, Audra, I love When He was on the Cross, I was on His Mind.

[22:24] <Delta-VHL> True Bes

[22:24] <HostBob> yes, Bez

[22:24] <Delta-VHL> Bez,....sorry

[22:25] <Bezalel-VHL> :-)Just don't call me late to dinner.

[22:25] <Delta-VHL> I know for myself, I need to guard my heart

[22:25] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen Bez

[22:25] <HostBob> Audra, I like an old one by Michael W Smith - "Secret Ambition"

[22:25] <Delta-VHL> LOL Bez, I used that line in New York!

[22:25] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6can you play that song of when he was on the cross for me Called__out

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[22:26] <HostBob> Welcome, Phoebe!

[22:26] <phoebe-VHL> shalom everyone

[22:26] <called__out-VHL> 12Audra, I don't have it on CD. We sing it at Church.

[22:26] <skip-VHL> 4hi

[22:26] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Phoebe! :-)

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[22:26] <phoebe-VHL> its been a while, i have missed the chat

[22:26] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6there is alot of christian songs that i like!!!!!

[22:26] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Phoebe

[22:26] <called__out-VHL> 12Hi Phoebe :)

[22:27] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6hi phoebe

[22:27] <phoebe-VHL> i have a prayer request

[22:27] <HostBob> We are glad that you came back, Phoebe!

[22:27] <HostBob> go ahead

[22:27] <phoebe-VHL> me too

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[22:27] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Phoebe

[22:27] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6Called__out can you come to my church and sing that song for me please??

[22:28] <phoebe-VHL> i have met a homeless women downtown houston and she is in her 60's

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[22:28] <paul-VHL> Bob, What is your interpretation of the 5th Trump and where that comes into chronilogical order with the healing of the deadly wound?

[22:28] <phoebe-VHL> i have been praying fro her daily and trying to feed and cloth her

[22:28] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6where is Kathy everyone??

[22:28] <phoebe-VHL> she lives in an abandoned home with no water or electricity

[22:29] <Kathy-VHL> I am here

[22:29] <HostBob> let me look, Paul

[22:29] <phoebe-VHL> i just am at odds as to what god wants me to do

[22:29] <Rich-VHL> 7does she know the Lord Pheobe?

[22:29] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6kathy are you mrs.grendahl???

[22:29] <phoebe-VHL> yes,

[22:29] <phoebe-VHL> she also is not all there

[22:29] <phoebe-VHL> she comes and goes sometimes

[22:29] <Kathy-VHL> no audra I am not

[22:29] <Delta-VHL> Phoebe, can your church help at all?

[22:30] <phoebe-VHL> she has family about 5 children and i have contacted them and they want nothing to do with us

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[22:30] <phoebe-VHL> i have asked everyone

[22:30] <Delta-VHL> Oh dear

[22:30] <phoebe-VHL> there is clothing and food

[22:30] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6Kathy what is your full name???

[22:30] <phoebe-VHL> money for somethings

[22:30] <Rich-VHL> 7is there a state facility Pheobe

[22:30] <Kathy-VHL> I dont give my full name on here Audra

[22:30] <hope-VHL> 3Are we talking about the fifth trumpet Revelation 9???

[22:30] <phoebe-VHL> but i know that god wants me to get her out of that place she lives in

[22:31] <phoebe-VHL> i also contacted a state facility

[22:31] <HostBob> Paul, chronology questions are tricky....

[22:31] <HostBob> but here goes

[22:31] <skip-VHL> 4why won't her children help?

[22:31] <HostBob> Yes, Rev 8 and 9, Hope

[22:31] <phoebe-VHL> they want to take her evaluate her for a couple of days

[22:32] <phoebe-VHL> she needs help in the worst way

[22:32] <phoebe-VHL> i want to bring her home, but i don't think that is what god really wants me to do

[22:32] <Clint-VHL> Who want's to evaluate her?

[22:32] <HostBob> My understanding, which is certainly not a comprehensive one, is that the "trumpets" signify the beginning of God's wrath, after the antichrist has turned on the saints

[22:32] <Rich-VHL> 7she is in our prayers Phoebe

[22:33] <phoebe-VHL> a mental institute

[22:33] <phoebe-VHL> thanks

[22:33] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6how is everyone's Summer going this year in 2000.

[22:33] <phoebe-VHL> i think and pray for her everyday

[22:33] <HostBob> in other words, at the beginning of the final 3 1/2 years, after the antichrist has already been established in powere

[22:33] <called__out-VHL> 12Is she willing to go for evaluation?

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[22:33] <HostBob> so, Paul, I would say it is after the "deadly head wound"

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[22:34] <HostBob> does that answer it, Paul?

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[22:34] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6what is everyone talking about huh??

[22:34] <hope-VHL> great!!!! I just got ZAPPED!!!

[22:34] <phoebe-VHL> yes she is willing

[22:35] <phoebe-VHL> i just am not sure what that all intells

[22:35] <HostBob> I'm still ( and will be for some time, the rest of my life I suppose :) ) trying to piece together the chronology of it

[22:35] <hope-VHL> 3You answered it BOB?????? I missed the whole thing, during the ZAP!!!

[22:35] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6got zapped by what hope???

[22:35] <HostBob> oh dear, hope! :)

[22:35] <called__out-VHL> 12Maybe they could get help for her if she was evaluated

[22:35] <Delta-VHL> You ok Hope?

[22:35] <skip-VHL> 4they won't keep her unless she is deemed a threat to sociaty

[22:35] <HostBob> I wouldn't say I "answered" it - I gave my understanding of it, which is far from complete

[22:36] <hope-VHL> 3Is there anyway you can re post what your answer was BOB

[22:36] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6is everyone a christian??

[22:36] <phoebe-VHL> i think so, i just don't know what they do with people after the evaluation

[22:36] <Rich-VHL> 7time for me to go good night everyone and God Bless You All

[22:36] <hope-VHL> 3or your thoughts

[22:36] <HostBob> sure :)

[22:36] <phoebe-VHL> she no threat

[22:36] <Delta-VHL> Phoebe, if you wish, they will contact you.

[22:36] <hope-VHL> 3whewwww

[22:36] <HostBob> I was just reading this the other day, Rev 8 and 9 that is

[22:36] <phoebe-VHL> bye rich

[22:36] <Delta-VHL> Shalom RIch!

[22:36] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[22:36] <HostBob> and it seemed to fall together a little more

[22:36] <called__out-VHL> 12bye rich

[22:36] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6are you still here kathy??

[22:36] <HostBob> See ya Rich!!!!

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[22:36] <Kathy-VHL> Yes Audra

[22:36] <phoebe-VHL> i have talked to several people and that is what they all recommend

[22:37] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6Good for you Kathy!!!

[22:37] <HostBob> The trumpets are the pouring out of God's wrath on the world, right?

[22:37] <phoebe-VHL> i just want to know that is the right thing to do

[22:37] <HostBob> During the final 3 1/2 years

[22:37] <skip-VHL> 4maybe the state will help her get housing tho

[22:37] <hope-VHL> 3YES I agree

[22:37] <phoebe-VHL> i thought so too

[22:37] <phoebe-VHL> but i have not gotten that far

[22:38] <phoebe-VHL> she really shouldn't be left alone

[22:38] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6"hey Kathy" are you a christian??

[22:38] <called__out-VHL> 12I will pray for her and you too phoebe.'

[22:38] <Kathy-VHL> yes I am a

[22:38] <hope-VHL> 3the trumpets and the bowls

[22:38] <Kathy-VHL> Audra

[22:38] <phoebe-VHL> she was beat up the other night

[22:38] <phoebe-VHL> so sad

[22:38] <skip-VHL> 4yes me too phoebe

[22:38] <phoebe-VHL> thanks to all of you she and I both need them

[22:38] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6kathy do you read your bible??

[22:39] <phoebe-VHL> her name is lattice

[22:39] <Kathy-VHL> Yes I do several times a day

[22:39] <hope-VHL> 3You really like to ask questions Audra..... ;)

[22:39] <phoebe-VHL> thank you so much

[22:39] <HostBob> OK, friends, time for me to head for the chat room door...

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[22:39] <hope-VHL> 3THIS IS PROPHECY!!!!

[22:39] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6kathy you should read your bible every day!!!!

[22:39] <Kathy-VHL> Thanks Bob again for the blessings

[22:39] <HostBob> it's been another great evening with you all :)

[22:40] <HostBob> Thank you, Kathy :)

[22:40] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Bob!

[22:40] <called__out-VHL> 12Thanks Bob, we appreciate you...God Bless

[22:40] <hope-VHL> 3You're leaving BOB????

[22:40] <Bezalel-VHL> Good night Bob, and good night all

[22:40] <phoebe-VHL> shalom bob

[22:40] <HostBob> Yeah, I'm gonna take off, but you all can keep chatting!!

[22:40] <phoebe-VHL> god bless you bob

[22:40] <Kathy-VHL> that is what I said Audra I read my bible more than one time every day

[22:40] <HostBob> ya don't need me :)

[22:40] <skip-VHL> 4SHALOM BOB TILL NEXT TIME G_D BLESS YOU & YOURS

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[22:40] <Clint-VHL> Good night Bob, thanks.

[22:40] <phoebe-VHL> yes we do

[22:40] <hope-VHL> 3YES WE DO!!!!!

[22:41] <Delta-VHL> Oh, you are always wanted Bob...

[22:41] <phoebe-VHL> more than you know

[22:41] <HostBob> Night, All - Stay strong in the Lord!

[22:41] <hope-VHL> 3there is another chat room to chat, but not about prophecy!!!

[22:41] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 6does any one where i go to church at???

[22:41] <phoebe-VHL> what a blessing

[22:41] <hope-VHL> 3Keep the fire burning BOB!!! ;)

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