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[19:27] <Kathy-VHL> could be for this time

[19:27] <HostBob> Yes, indeed

[19:28] <HostBob> Much there in Zechariah 1 about the Lord's passionate jealousy for Jerusalem

[19:28] <HostBob> and His future plans for Israel

[19:28] <Kathy-VHL> When is Israel due for another Leader I dont know what kind of gov they have there

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[19:29] <Rossie-VHL> 6Yes,Praise the Lord For all the people In Israel

[19:29] <HostBob> It's a democracy, Kathy, but much different than the US structure

[19:29] <mysheperd-VHL> not to take you away from the chapter, i perticularly like this verse in Acts: "Like a tree planted by the rivers of waters."

[19:30] <Kathy-VHL> I knew it was different but didnt know in what way

[19:30] <HostBob> it's a coalition government, where the Prime Minister has to enlist the various minority parties (a number of them) to make up a majority ruling coalition

[19:30] <Kathy-VHL> they shall not be moved reminds me of that song

[19:30] <Rossie-VHL> 6One day a hear that a lots of child died in that country

[19:31] <Rossie-VHL> 6Hi Doug

[19:31] <Kathy-VHL> when will they get a new leader how many years does their PM serve

[19:31] <mysheperd-VHL> rossie i'm reading the month of Kislev.

[19:31] <HostBob> which, because of the volatility of the various parties, all with their own special interests, makes for a rather unstable government at times, unstable in the sense that one or several parties can wield their influence in a disproportionate manner

[19:31] <Rossie-VHL> 6mysheperd where are you USA?

[19:32] <mysheperd-VHL> Dedicated, Dedicated, dedicated. Yes I am.

[19:32] <HostBob> Kathy, they have a set time period, 4 years I believe, but unlike the US, the Knesset can take a "no confidence" vote at almost any time...

[19:33] <mysheperd-VHL> and you rossie

[19:33] <HostBob> to ask for a dissolution of the government and new elections prematurely

[19:33] <Kathy-VHL> thanks Bob

[19:33] <HostBob> sure :)

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[19:33] <Kathy-VHL> that is a big help in understanding

[19:33] <Rossie-VHL> 6Tucson the best part of america

[19:33] <HostBob> Welcome, Skip!

[19:34] <Kathy-VHL> Hey skip

[19:34] <mysheperd-VHL> Down South New Orleans

[19:34] <skip-VHL> 4hi ya'll

[19:34] <Rossie-VHL> 6Welcome Skip

[19:34] <mysheperd-VHL> yo! y yeh skip Shalom

[19:34] <skip-VHL> 4who knows the BABIES name?

[19:35] <HostBob> Have not heard any info on the name yet...

[19:35] <HostBob> but I am privvy to some pictures :)

[19:35] <HostBob> http://www.virtualholyland.com/stans/2mom.jpg

[19:35] <HostBob> http://www.virtualholyland.com/stans/2dad.jpg

[19:35] <HostBob> http://www.virtualholyland.com/stans/2boy.jpg

[19:35] <skip-VHL> 4:-( I saw some too

[19:35] <HostBob> :)

[19:35] <skip-VHL> 4HE looks so bright eyed

[19:36] <HostBob> yes indeed!

[19:36] <mysheperd-VHL> :) Amen

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[19:36] <HostBob> Welcome, Hope!

[19:36] <skip-VHL> 4PTL that they are doing good

[19:36] <Rossie-VHL> 6Its A boy or a girl/?

[19:36] <hope-VHL> 3;) hi Bob

[19:36] <HostBob> a boy!

[19:37] <mysheperd-VHL> Hi doug

[19:37] <skip-VHL> 4HI HOPE

[19:37] <Rossie-VHL> 6Hi Hope

[19:37] <HostBob> 8.5 pounds (I had to convert from KG) :)

[19:37] <mysheperd-VHL> shalom Hope

[19:37] <hope-VHL> 3Hi everyone, it's been sooooo long since I've been on! ;)

[19:37] <Doug-VHL> Hello

[19:37] <skip-VHL> 4hi doug

[19:37] <Kathy-VHL> hi Hope

[19:37] <HostBob> Glad to have you back once again hope!

[19:37] <hope-VHL> 3who had a baby?

[19:37] <skip-VHL> 4I KNOW how are you?

[19:37] <HostBob> Stan's wife Franny!

[19:38] <hope-VHL> 3awwww how sweet!

[19:38] <Rossie-VHL> 6Do you hear something about TIFFANY

[19:39] <HostBob> who is that?

[19:39] <hope-VHL> 3If I get cut out of here, don't think I'm rude, my computer has been cutting me off ALL day

[19:39] <Rossie-VHL> 6Its the nice of GloryBound

[19:39] <Kathy-VHL> some one request prayer for her in here one night

[19:39] <mysheperd-VHL> Rossie! what about verse14 and 15: chap.1 Zechariah could you share your view point of this today.

[19:39] <HostBob> just climb back in if that happens

[19:39] <skip-VHL> 4happens to me alot too

[19:40] <hope-VHL> 3;)

[19:40] <HostBob> "Then the angel who was speaking to me said, "Proclaim this word: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I am very jealous for Jerusalem and Zion," (Zechariah 1:14 NIV)

[19:40] <HostBob> "but I am very angry with the nations that feel secure. I was only a little angry, but they added to the calamity.'" (Zechariah 1:15 NIV)

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[19:40] <HostBob> ""Therefore, this is what the LORD says: 'I will return to Jerusalem with mercy, and there my house will be rebuilt. And the measuring line will be stretched out over Jerusalem,' declares the LORD Almighty." (Zechariah 1:16 NIV)

[19:41] <HostBob> So.... God is jealous

[19:41] <HostBob> what makes a person jealous?

[19:41] <mysheperd-VHL> What nations are lost?

[19:41] <skip-VHL> 4hi called

[19:41] <mysheperd-VHL> It said they all felt secure.

[19:41] <called_out-VHL> Hi Skip and Bob also mysheperd, good to see you all tonight.

[19:41] <HostBob> This is a significant prophecy - thanks for bringing it up, shepherd!

[19:42] <hope-VHL> 3unfaithfulness

[19:42] <HostBob> Let's look more closely

[19:42] <HostBob> Hi Called!

[19:42] <HostBob> Or....

[19:42] <HostBob> If someone else is trying to possess what you treasure?

[19:42] <HostBob> that is cause for jealousy

[19:43] <hope-VHL> 3true

[19:43] <HostBob> And He is "very angry" - another translation says "extremely"

[19:43] <HostBob> when God gets that way, watch out!

[19:43] <skip-VHL> 4AMEN

[19:43] <HostBob> What do you think this means? " was only a little angry, but they added to the

[19:43] <HostBob> calamity."

[19:44] <called_out-VHL> amen, God never changes, even his wrath never changes.

[19:44] <hope-VHL> 3no clue here

[19:44] <HostBob> I think it is speaking of His dealings with Israel... He was "a little angry" with them, because of their unfaithfulness

[19:44] <HostBob> and dealt with them accordingly... causing them to go into exile...

[19:44] <HostBob> and be mistreated among the nations...

[19:45] <HostBob> BUT...

[19:45] <HostBob> He was only a "little" angry...

[19:45] <Kathy-VHL> it says he is angry with the nations

[19:45] <HostBob> what did the nations do, the places to which Israel was exiled?

[19:45] <HostBob> "they furthered the disaster" - in other words...

[19:45] <Kathy-VHL> they never accepted them

[19:45] <skip-VHL> 4perseuctions

[19:45] <HostBob> God was a little angry only.. but the nations treated Israel MUCH worse

[19:46] <Rossie-VHL> 6The angel said to me proclaim this word This is what the Lord Almaghty said I am very Jeolus for Jerusalen and Zion But I am very angry with the nation

[19:46] <Kathy-VHL> yes and look at what they are doing against her now

[19:46] <HostBob> Right - and THAT is why He is VERY angry..

[19:46] <HostBob> and therefore....

[19:46] <HostBob> we have the THEREFORE of v 16

[19:47] <HostBob> ""Therefore, this is what the LORD says: 'I will return to Jerusalem with mercy, and there my house will be rebuilt. And the measuring line will be stretched out over Jerusalem,' declares the LORD Almighty." (Zechariah 1:16 NIV)

[19:47] <HostBob> What is HE going to do?

[19:47] <HostBob> RETURN!!! In person! :)

[19:47] <Kathy-VHL> rebuild the temple

[19:47] <HostBob> right, Kathy!

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[19:48] <HostBob> ""Proclaim further: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'My towns will again overflow with prosperity, and the LORD will again comfort Zion and choose Jerusalem.'"" (Zechariah 1:17 NIV)

[19:48] <hope-VHL> 3I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

[19:48] <HostBob> Yeah!

[19:48] <livin4him-VHL> hello how are you?

[19:48] <HostBob> Welcome, livin4!

[19:48] <called_out-VHL> hi livin4

[19:48] <skip-VHL> 4hi L4H

[19:48] <livin4him-VHL> thanks bob

[19:49] <livin4him-VHL> hi skip

[19:49] <HostBob> Notice it says he will "again" choose Jerusalem

[19:49] <mysheperd-VHL> So, we 're living in the revenge of Judah?

[19:49] <HostBob> this is very relevant to wha is happening today

[19:49] <livin4him-VHL> I can't wait until that time when my Jesus I will see.

[19:49] <HostBob> eventually, yes, shepherd

[19:49] <Rossie-VHL> 6therefore this is what the Lord says- I will return to Jerusalen with Mercy

[19:49] <Kathy-VHL> very much

[19:49] <mysheperd-VHL> Jordan is the one making a claim along with the PLO.

[19:49] <Kathy-VHL> Bob that is why I asked you if you had read that scriptue latley

[19:50] <Kathy-VHL> I was looking up Jealousy thinking that God would make Israel Jealous and they would stand up

[19:50] <mysheperd-VHL> Kathy Bob is right on with this matter, praise God.

[19:50] <hope-VHL> 3brb ;)

[19:50] <HostBob> Yes, Shepherd, many parties are making claims for God's treasured property, which is why God is jealous

[19:50] <HostBob> for Zion

[19:50] <Kathy-VHL> I know he is\

[19:50] <HostBob> His Holy Hill

[19:51] <livin4him-VHL> Jerusalam is the apple of Gods eye

[19:51] <mysheperd-VHL> LoL

[19:51] <livin4him-VHL> it says whoever rules jerusalam will rule the world.

[19:51] <mysheperd-VHL> Shalom livin4him, sheperd here.

[19:51] <HostBob> Here is more good stuff from Zechariah

[19:52] <HostBob> ""Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. For I am coming, and I will live among you," declares the LORD." (Zechariah 2:10 NIV)

[19:52] <Rossie-VHL> 6Proclaim further My towns will again overflow with prosperity and the Lord will conford Zion and coose Jerusalen

[19:52] <HostBob> ""Many nations will be joined with the LORD in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that the LORD Almighty has sent me to you." (Zechariah 2:11 NIV)

[19:52] <livin4him-VHL> shalom shepard

[19:52] <skip-VHL> 4BUT that refers to G_D right?

[19:52] <HostBob> Yes, Skip

[19:53] <HostBob> Yahweh is coming, and will live among the people, in the person of Yeshua the Messiah of Israel!

[19:53] <Kathy-VHL> that represents Jesus talking

[19:53] <HostBob> Right :)

[19:53] <Kathy-VHL> the me is representative of Jesus

[19:53] <HostBob> good point, Kathy....

[19:54] <HostBob> "you will know that the LORD Almighty has sent me to you" - that signifies a few things to me...

[19:54] <Rossie-VHL> 6Mny nation will be joined with the Lord in that day and we become my people

[19:54] <skip-VHL> 4well I am sorrt but I don't have much patience for those who fight against ISRAEL and will weep in the end

[19:54] <HostBob> (1) they don't know that now (that Jesus was sent to them)

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[19:55] <skip-VHL> 4<sorry>

[19:55] <HostBob> (2) the events that will happen will cause them to know that Jesus is their Messiah and Lord God

[19:55] <Kathy-VHL> no but they are looking for Him

[19:55] <mysheperd-VHL> Amen:) Bob Thanks, that was and is inspirational, uplifting. And i'm listening!!!!!!

[19:55] <Kathy-VHL> right

[19:55] <HostBob> Yes, My, lots of exciting stuff in the prophecies of Zechariah!

[19:56] <Kathy-VHL> and it fits right now

[19:56] <HostBob> "The LORD will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land and will again choose Jerusalem." (Zechariah 2:12 NIV)

[19:57] <HostBob> and the next verse is a solemn warning to the world:

[19:57] <HostBob> "Be still before the LORD, all mankind, because he has roused himself from his holy dwelling."" (Zechariah 2:13 NIV)

[19:57] <HostBob> What does it mean that God has "roused Himself"?

[19:58] <Kathy-VHL> that is a warning for other countries not to come against Israel because God is moving and will move againsst them

[19:58] <skip-VHL> 4?

[19:58] <Kathy-VHL> He is preparing

[19:58] <Kathy-VHL> he is sending His spirit in abundance

[19:58] <mysheperd-VHL> Now. I remembered "Shebat"

[19:59] <Rossie-VHL> 6He is preparing his people

[19:59] <called_out-VHL> 101110preparing to come to earth and make war with the other nations.

[19:59] <mysheperd-VHL> It culminates with Kislev, the eleventh month.

[19:59] <HostBob> Yes, Jesus has been sitting at the right hand of the Father... waiting for the time...

[20:00] <Kathy-VHL> yes when the

[20:00] <HostBob> to "get up" - but it will be in a rage of fury

[20:01] <HostBob> "See, the Name of the LORD comes from afar, with burning anger and dense clouds of smoke; his lips are full of wrath, and his tongue is a consuming fire." (Isaiah 30:27 NIV)

[20:01] <HostBob> "His breath is like a rushing torrent, rising up to the neck. He shakes the nations in the sieve of destruction; he places in the jaws of the peoples a bit that leads them astray." (Isaiah 30:28 NIV)

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[20:08] <Kathy-VHL> we have it all figured out Bob

[20:09] <called_out-VHL> 10the devil did it.

[20:09] <HostBob> Yeah? :) tell me :)

[20:09] <Kathy-VHL> yup he was mad

[20:09] <mysheperd-VHL> It was God talking, his power is his care for us all. Have "Faith":)

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[20:09] <hope-VHL511> 3I got ZAPPED a few times in there!!!! WEIRD

[20:09] <HostBob> I guess so!

[20:10] <mysheperd-VHL> God is Awesome!!!!

[20:10] <HostBob> Yes, He is!!!

[20:10] <skip-VHL372> 4Thank YOU YESHUA FOR ANSWERING OUR PRAYER AMEN

[20:10] <HostBob> Welccome to the newcomers

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[20:11] <Servant2Him-VHL> Hello all! May God richly bless you all!

[20:11] <skip-VHL372> 4notice the # on names now

[20:11] <Kathy-VHL> I dont think that was Gods doing I dont think He would have stopped such revelation

[20:11] <Rossie-VHL> I missed something my computer was out for a moment

[20:11] <mysheperd-VHL> "Should one speak in my name."

[20:11] <Kathy-VHL> if the spirit gives utterance

[20:12] <Servant2Him-VHL> :->

[20:12] <HostBob> For those of you who may be new....

[20:12] <HostBob> any topic suggestions are welcome

[20:12] <HostBob> relating to Bible prophecy and current events

[20:13] <mysheperd-VHL> "Hearken unto my voice." I am the Lord your God, in whom you shall be pleased."

[20:13] <skip-VHL372> 4Iam glad Supreme Court upheld BOY SCOUTS

[20:13] <Kathy-VHL> me too but the partial abortion thing was a let down

[20:13] <Rossie-VHL> 6about the Prophecy that the temple of Jerusalen is going to be rebuitl

[20:14] <HostBob> yes

[20:14] <skip-VHL372> 4:-(

[20:14] <Kathy-VHL> put the scripture back on Bob so we can get back into it

[20:14] <HostBob> Their feet rush into sin; they are swift to shed innocent blood. Their thoughts are evil thoughts; ruin and destruction mark their ways. The way of peace they do not know; there is no justice in their paths. They have turned them into crooked roads; no one who walks in them will know peace. So justice is far from us, and righteousness does not reach us. We look for light, but all is darkness; for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows.

[20:14] <Rossie-VHL> 6Skip:-O Why?

[20:15] <HostBob> Isaiah 59:7-9

[20:15] <skip-VHL372> 4isnt someone working on a model of Temple.. no I meant frown about abortion

[20:15] <mysheperd-VHL> :-) the blood of the Lamb. These words in red.:-)

[20:15] <HostBob> "So justice is driven back, and righteousness stands at a distance; truth has stumbled in the streets, honesty cannot enter. Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey. The LORD looked and was displeased that there was no justice." (Isaiah 59:14-15 NIV)

[20:16] <Kathy-VHL> Sounds like the good ole USA

[20:16] <Servant2Him-VHL> 6Hey Bob! How does bible prophecy and current events relate to our every day Christian lives?

[20:16] <HostBob> Those Scriptures describe the "perilous times" we live in

[20:16] <HostBob> but look what comes next...

[20:16] <HostBob> "He saw that there was no one, he was appalled that there was no one to intervene; so his own arm worked salvation for him, and his own righteousness sustained him." (Isaiah 59:16 NIV)

[20:17] <HostBob> "He put on righteousness as his breastplate, and the helmet of salvation on his head; he put on the garments of vengeance and wrapped himself in zeal as in a cloak." (Isaiah 59:17 NIV)

[20:17] <HostBob> "According to what they have done, so will he repay wrath to his enemies and retribution to his foes; he will repay the islands their due." (Isaiah 59:18 NIV)

[20:17] <HostBob> SO...

[20:17] <mysheperd-VHL> "We roar like bears, and mourn sore like doves: we look for judgement, but there is none; for salvation, but it is far off from us."

[20:18] <Servant2Him-VHL> 612Cool

[20:18] <HostBob> His return...

[20:18] <HostBob> is in part...

[20:18] <HostBob> a response to the situation of "no justice" that He sees

[20:18] <Kathy-VHL> who is the we Bob the nations

[20:19] <HostBob> which "We" Kathy?

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[20:19] <Kathy-VHL> we roar lik bears

[20:19] <HostBob> "From the west, men will fear the name of the LORD, and from the rising of the sun, they will revere his glory. For he will come like a pent-up flood that the breath of the LORD drives along." (Isaiah 59:19 NIV)

[20:19] <Rossie-VHL> 6And Judgment is turned away backward and justice standeth afar off for the truth is fallen in the street and equity cannot enter

[20:20] <HostBob> that We is the believers who are grieved by what they see

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[20:20] <HostBob> growling and mourning

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[20:20] <mysheperd-VHL> 4The sins of Israel Isaiah 59:9, Punishments therefore....

[20:20] <HostBob> ""The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins," declares the LORD." (Isaiah 59:20 NIV)

[20:21] <HostBob> Yes, that is a preface to the return of the Redeemer

[20:21] <HostBob> just another indication of what will drive Him to return

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[20:22] <HostBob> any questions on those verses?

[20:22] <Kathy-VHL> ok then salvation in that scripture is referring to His return

[20:22] <Kathy-VHL> not eternal life salvation

[20:22] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12To those in Jacob?

[20:22] <skip-VHL372> 4let the redeemed of the L_RD say so ..I'M REDEEMED..I'M REDEEMED

[20:22] <HostBob> no, not that kind... deliverance for His people...

[20:22] <HostBob> "He put on righteousness as his breastplate, and the helmet of salvation on his head; he put on the garments of vengeance and wrapped himself in zeal as in a cloak." (Isaiah 59:17 NIV)

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[20:23] <HostBob> to deliver those who are being oppressed and persecuted - namely, us, who will be hated by the world

[20:23] <HostBob> and...

[20:23] <Rossie-VHL> 6So Justice is far for us and righteousness does not reach us We look for light

[20:23] <HostBob> to deliver Israel

[20:23] <mysheperd-VHL> 4"As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth , nor out of the mouth of thy sed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever."

[20:23] <skip-VHL372> 4h BEZ hpoe you dont leave so quick again :-)

[20:23] <HostBob> Paul quotes this in Romans

[20:24] <Rich-VHL> hi all Gods peple

[20:24] <Bezalel-VHL> Got bumped when I opened an extra window

[20:24] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12Hi

[20:24] <Rich-VHL> 2people

[20:24] <skip-VHL372> 4hi RICH

[20:24] <called_out-VHL> 10hi Rich

[20:24] <Kathy-VHL> hi Rich

[20:24] <Rossie-VHL> 6The reedemer wil come to Zion

[20:24] <Rich-VHL> 2how are you skip

[20:24] <HostBob> right, Rossie...

[20:24] <Rich-VHL> 2hi Kathy

[20:24] <HostBob> "I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in." (Romans 11:25 NIV)

[20:24] <Rossie-VHL> 6Hi Rich

[20:24] <HostBob> "And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob." (Romans 11:26 NIV)

[20:25] <HostBob> "And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."" (Romans 11:27 NIV)

[20:25] <skip-VHL372> 4It's been wierd here ,Trying to stay connected

[20:25] <Rich-VHL> 2hey called

[20:25] <HostBob> Quoting from Isaiah, Paul uses this to explain Israel's final deliverance

[20:25] <mysheperd-VHL> 4That is why we must be obedient to g

[20:25] <called_out-VHL> 10hey rich

[20:25] <skip-VHL372> 4good rich and U

[20:25] <HostBob> so the Gentile Christians don't get too conceited

[20:25] <Rich-VHL> 2hello everyone

[20:25] <mysheperd-VHL> 4God, Bob. It's our calling to repentence.

[20:25] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12You keep saying Jacob. Sorry, I've been a Christian 3 weeks now. Who is Jacob?

[20:26] <HostBob> Good question, Servant :)

[20:26] <Rossie-VHL> 6All Israel will be saved

[20:26] <HostBob> someone want to venture an answer for Servant?

[20:26] <HostBob> :)

[20:26] <skip-VHL372> 4PTL SERVENT2 (praise the L_RD)

[20:27] <Rich-VHL> 2Jacob is Israel Servant

[20:27] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12:-)

[20:27] <Kathy-VHL> It is representative of the people of Israel

[20:27] <HostBob> Jacob was Abrahams grandson...

[20:27] <HostBob> Jacob was renamed Israel by the Lord

[20:27] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12Ohhh. Makes more sense!

[20:27] <Rich-VHL> 2God changed his name to Israel

[20:28] <HostBob> and Jacob's 12 sons became the beginning of the 12 tribes of Israel

[20:28] <HostBob> Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were the men God selected for special promises...

[20:28] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12Thank you!

[20:29] <skip-VHL372> 4hi doug

[20:29] <HostBob> to make a nation out of them, a nation that would bring the light of the knowledge of God to the world

[20:29] <HostBob> and ultimately, the Saviour, Jesus Christ

[20:29] <Rich-VHL> 2to which we and all believers are heirs to

[20:29] <Doug-VHL338> hi skip

[20:29] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12Cool!

[20:29] <Kathy-VHL> and the reason we should be on their side

[20:29] <HostBob> yes, very cool!

[20:30] <HostBob> a slight clarification to that, Kathy....

[20:30] <Rossie-VHL> 6Romansll:25 I do not want to be ignorant of this mystery brothers so that may not conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of gentil has come in

[20:30] <Rich-VHL> 2what is the agenda tonight Bob

[20:30] <HostBob> remember when the Lord appeared to Joshua, in the form of a man, a warrior?

[20:31] <Kathy-VHL> yea

[20:31] <HostBob> and Joshua asked Him whose side He was on, not knowing who it was?

[20:31] <Kathy-VHL> ok

[20:31] <Bezalel-VHL> And he responded he was the Commander of the Lord's Army.

[20:31] <HostBob> right!

[20:31] <Rich-VHL> 2I will be right back beloved won't take too long

[20:31] <Kathy-VHL> then we need to be in support of her

[20:32] <mysheperd-VHL> 4"And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on E'sau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and I'saac was threescore years old when she bare them."

[20:32] <Kathy-VHL> I have to go back and read that bob it is not fresh

[20:32] <HostBob> so... God was telling Joshua...

[20:32] <HostBob> you get on my side, I'm not on your side

[20:32] <HostBob> :)

[20:32] <HostBob> right?

[20:32] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Bob you should be here, the dogs are barking.

[20:32] <skip-VHL372> 4amen

[20:33] <Rossie-VHL> 6Amen

[20:33] <HostBob> :)

[20:33] <Kathy-VHL> right but what I ment was that we should be grateful to Israel and suport her right to exist and pray that God will soon deliver her

[20:33] <Rossie-VHL> 6Praise the Lord

[20:33] <Bezalel-VHL> Also, Bob, I noticed with that meeting that it wasn't an angel because Joshua was told to remove his sandals in a holy place

[20:34] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12What scripture is all this in?

[20:34] <HostBob> right, Kathy :) I was not trying to nit-pik :)

[20:34] <HostBob> yes, Bez

[20:34] <Kathy-VHL> I know

[20:34] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Genisis chap.25:26

[20:34] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Jacob was born.

[20:35] <Kathy-VHL> I just didnt want to be misunderstood by what I said

[20:35] <Rich-VHL> 2Did I miss anything

[20:35] <HostBob> Joshua 5:13 and following, Servant

[20:36] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12Thank you!

[20:36] <HostBob> perhaps, Rich, but you can get it all on the transcript tomorrow!

[20:36] <HostBob> it will be posted on the VHL website

[20:36] <Rich-VHL> 2I forget that Bob

[20:36] <Rossie-VHL> 6Then the Lord said to Joshua Comand the priests carring the ark of testimony to come up out of the Jordan

[20:36] <skip-VHL372> 4I saw on VHL home page today What I never knew I was "aCHRISTIAN ZIONIST"

[20:37] <Kathy-VHL> Bob that scripture we were talking about earlier in Zechariah 1 sure could apply to the situation today

[20:37] <HostBob> yeah, skip :)

[20:37] <Kathy-VHL> es[ecially about the temple mount

[20:37] <HostBob> true, Kathy - tell us your thoughts on this

[20:37] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Bob just took it deeper and encourageing in the commands of Joshua. I personally like when the wall was build and Joshua told the men building it, to keep your rod in one hand and your trial in the other. So, that no one can prevail against your work."

[20:37] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12There is a great, free, bible download at download.com!

[20:38] <HostBob> cool, Servant!

[20:38] <Servant2Him-VHL> 1211 mb

[20:38] <skip-VHL372> 4I ahve always supported ISRAEL but didn't know it had a special name

[20:38] <Rich-VHL> 2what is happening now at the temple mount Bob

[20:38] <HostBob> Rich, the horrible destruction continues...

[20:38] <Bezalel-VHL> I really like being a Watchman on the Wall, Skip

[20:38] <Kathy-VHL> Well my thoughts are that since there is so much controversity over Jerusalem and the temole mount that it makes it very clear wht is going to come of it all

[20:39] <HostBob> the Arabs are doing massive construction and still hauling aways tons of dirt

[20:39] <HostBob> and the government ignores the protests

[20:39] <Kathy-VHL> God is going to take back Jerusalem and have His Temple built where it is suposed to be

[20:39] <Rich-VHL> 2that is just awfull why can't anyone do something about it

[20:39] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Thanks, Bezalel

[20:39] <skip-VHL372> 4G_D WILL

[20:39] <HostBob> though the protests are getting louder - I would think they will have to act soon

[20:39] <HostBob> right sjip

[20:39] <HostBob> skip

[20:40] <Rossie-VHL> 6Yes is going to guide Jerusalen TO Zion

[20:40] <skip-VHL372> 4;-)

[20:40] <HostBob> DId you see the news item on VHL?

[20:40] <Rich-VHL> 2I hope God will put a stop to it all real soon

[20:40] <Kathy-VHL> I think God is turning the hearts of his people back to him by allowing these Arabs to agrivate Israle like they are doing

[20:40] <skip-VHL372> 4not yet

[20:40] <HostBob> That even some government officials are saying that the Palestinians can have the Temple Mount?

[20:40] <HostBob> yes, Kathy

[20:41] <Kathy-VHL> They are going to make Israel mad enough and she will stand up against them

[20:41] <skip-VHL372> 4oh that ,yes not TRUE ISRAELIES

[20:41] <Kathy-VHL> and when she does that is when God is going to act in supernatural ways and cause the enemy's weapons to fire backwards

[20:41] <Rossie-VHL> 6Well to every body I need to go have a good night:-)Bless you all

[20:42] <HostBob> amen, Kathy, preach it :)

[20:42] <Rich-VHL> 2I think the Israeli gov. has caved in to the u.n.

[20:42] <HostBob> Night Rossie! God bless you!

[20:42] <called_out-VHL> 10bye rossie

[20:42] <skip-VHL372> 4Good night ROSSIE

[20:42] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, doesn't this fit the pattern of God allowing the Israelites to be confronted and even overrun. Then returns them to glory when they're at their lowest?

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[20:42] <Rich-VHL> 2by Rossie

[20:42] <Kathy-VHL> Well if you take all the scripture and put it together thats what you get

[20:43] <HostBob> Good question, Bez...

[20:43] <Bezalel-VHL> When they return to recognizing God as their Lord

[20:43] <HostBob> can you or anyone think of any Scriptures regarding that?

[20:43] <Rich-VHL> 2but I also think it will backfire on them

[20:44] <mysheperd-VHL> 4John 14:13-17 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."

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[20:44] <Rich-VHL> 2and the world will only seek to destroy Israel

[20:44] <mysheperd-VHL> 4"If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."

[20:45] <mysheperd-VHL> 4"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"

[20:45] <HostBob> I'm thinking, Bez :)

[20:45] <Kathy-VHL> me too Brez

[20:46] <Rich-VHL> 2Amen mysheperd

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[20:46] <HostBob> I think, Bez, that there is a common theme in the prophets.....

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[20:46] <skip-VHL372> 4hi mike

[20:46] <mike-VHL> hi

[20:46] <skip-VHL372> 4hi GRACE

[20:46] <HostBob> that Israel has suffered, over the centuries, because of their forsaking the Lord...

[20:46] <Rich-VHL> 2hi mike

[20:47] <Bezalel-VHL> When the LORD your God brings you into the land he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to give you--a land with large, flourishing cities you did not build,

[20:47] <Rich-VHL> 2hello Grace

[20:47] <HostBob> and that long process has been to ultimately bring them back

[20:47] <Grace-VHL> Shalom skip...Shalom everyone...How r u all this evening?

[20:47] <HostBob> Welcome Mike and Grace!

[20:47] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12Hi!

[20:47] <skip-VHL372> 4good ,hope you are too :-)

[20:47] <HostBob> Doing fine! We've had a great chat so far! :)

[20:47] <Grace-VHL> Hi Bob.....where are we in the conversation if you can recap briefly..

[20:48] <Bezalel-VHL> houses filled with all kinds of good things you did not provide, wells you did not dig, and vineyards and olive groves you did not plant--then when you eat and are satisfied

[20:48] <mysheperd-VHL> 4"Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."John 14:13-17

[20:48] <Kathy-VHL> there is a scripture about returning the hearts of the people to the Lord

[20:48] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Shalom Grace

[20:48] <HostBob> Talking now about something that Kathy and Bez had noted - that this process that Israel is going through...

[20:48] <Bezalel-VHL> be careful that you do not forget the LORD, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Deut 6:10-12

[20:48] <HostBob> is to bring them back to the Lord

[20:48] <Grace-VHL> Shalom my shepherd ...how r u this evening..

[20:49] <Grace-VHL> Amen!

[20:49] <Grace-VHL> But how can they hear unless there are preachers?

[20:49] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12Well, I have to go now! Quite enjoyed the chat! The room will be in my prayers!

[20:49] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Y Yeh bez! I am the Alpha and the Omega.

[20:49] <Grace-VHL> And who will bring the word of the L-rd forth in truth and righteousness...

[20:49] <HostBob> See ya Servant! Join us again sometime! God bless you!!!!

[20:49] <called_out-VHL> 10Come back soon Servant

[20:49] <Servant2Him-VHL> 12:-);-)

[20:50] <Rich-VHL> 2the Holy Spirit will guide us unto all truth with the love of God

[20:50] <Grace-VHL> We who are disciples of the L-rd are made ready...

[20:50] <skip-VHL372> 4come back soon SERVENT SHALOM

[20:50] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Night servant, May God Speed be with You.

[20:50] <Kathy-VHL> It looks like it could be the begenning of the times when Israel will be under fire but will hve Gods protection

[20:50] <Grace-VHL> lila tov servant..

[20:50] <Rich-VHL> 2we are ready Grace

[20:50] <Grace-VHL> Amen!

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[20:51] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, who are Stan and family doing?

[20:51] <Grace-VHL> I'd like to pose a question if it would not interrupt the flow...

[20:51] <HostBob> Yes, here is a verse from Zechariah that I like..

[20:51] <Rich-VHL> 2Lord please come soon

[20:51] <HostBob> go ahead Grace

[20:51] <HostBob> they have a boy, Bez

[20:51] <mysheperd-VHL> 4It's a Boy! Grace

[20:51] <HostBob> 8.5 pound

[20:51] <HostBob> s

[20:51] <HostBob> and here are pics :)

[20:51] <HostBob> http://www.virtualholyland.com/stans/2mom.jpg

[20:51] <HostBob> http://www.virtualholyland.com/stans/2dad.jpg

[20:51] <HostBob> http://www.virtualholyland.com/stans/2boy.jpg

[20:51] <Grace-VHL> Amen for Stan's joyful blessing!

[20:51] <Bezalel-VHL> Praise the Lord

[20:52] <Grace-VHL> Wonderful! can't wait to go and see the pics.....

[20:52] <Rich-VHL> 2I'm very glad for Stan and his wife

[20:52] <HostBob> yeah, wonderful pics

[20:53] <Bezalel-VHL> Great pictures Bob

[20:53] <HostBob> though I must stay that Franny looks like she fared better than Stan! LOL

[20:53] <HostBob> and she did all the work! :)

[20:53] <Rich-VHL> 2It seems to happen that way Bob

[20:53] <Bezalel-VHL> That's for sure, but Bob had been on the hot and heavy chat just before....

[20:54] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Bob, that is precious, they should be very proud parents. Again, thanks be to God.

[20:54] <Kathy-VHL> all it takes is holding that baby one time lol

[20:54] <HostBob> He has a beautiful family

[20:54] <skip-VHL372> 4HEY STAN when you read this CONGRATULATIONS

[20:54] <HostBob> yes, indeed, Kathy :)

[20:54] <HostBob> yes, mucho congrats, Stan

[20:54] <HostBob> and some virtual cigars if you are so inclined :)

[20:54] <called_out-VHL> 10:->:-)

[20:55] <Rich-VHL> 2:-)

[20:55] <Bezalel-VHL> :-*

[20:55] <HostBob> Though we are not smokers, we'll light some up here in the chat room to celebrate your wonderful son!

[20:55] <HostBob> :)

[20:56] <mysheperd-VHL> 4:)

[20:56] <skip-VHL372> 4puff puff

[20:56] <HostBob> GRIN

[20:56] <Rich-VHL> 2I agree skip

[20:56] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Pass the cigars please

[20:56] <called_out-VHL> 10cough, cough:-*

[20:56] <Bezalel-VHL> O....O......O (smoke rings)

[20:56] <skip-VHL372> 4lol

[20:56] <HostBob> LOL this is a first for the VHL prophecy chat! :)

[20:56] <Grace-VHL> I finally figured out that I could just click on the links and stay at this site...beautiful pic's...just beautiful...praise the L-rd!

[20:57] <Rich-VHL> 2me too

[20:57] <HostBob> hey, you're talented there Bez :)

[20:57] <Grace-VHL> Is Stan here?

[20:57] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Glad to be in the service

[20:57] <HostBob> no, he is asleep

[20:57] <Grace-VHL> aaaaaaa.....what about we women? you can't ask us to light up the cigars....lol...

[20:58] <HostBob> LOL

[20:58] <Kathy-VHL> why not grace

[20:58] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Let the congregation say Amen:):)

[20:58] <Grace-VHL> I'll bet he is one tired dad...

[20:58] <Bezalel-VHL> Amen!

[20:58] <skip-VHL372> 4AMEN

[20:58] <Grace-VHL> Kathy....so unlady like.....lol...

[20:58] <Rich-VHL> 2have a glass of wine Grace

[20:58] <HostBob> yes, plus it's 3 or 4 AM there

[20:58] <Kathy-VHL> amen

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[20:58] <Kathy-VHL> na

[20:58] <Grace-VHL> good idea Rich...do you have any fine vintage for me...?

[20:58] <Bezalel-VHL> Bubblegum cigars work just as well Grace

[20:58] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Where?

[20:58] <HostBob> Welcome, Rain!

[20:58] <Rich-VHL> 2not right handy

[20:59] <HostBob> in Jerusalem where Stan lives

[20:59] <skip-VHL372> 4hi rain

[20:59] <Grace-VHL> Bezalel....true....blow a bubble my way....!

[20:59] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Rain down on me.

[20:59] <Grace-VHL> Shalom Rain....

[20:59] <Rich-VHL> 2hi rain

[20:59] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Y yeh Bob

[20:59] <Bezalel-VHL> o...o....o (bubbles)

[20:59] <HostBob> :)

[20:59] <Grace-VHL> Now the question if everyone doesn't mind....thanks bezalel.....lol...

[20:59] <skip-VHL372> 4lol

[21:00] <HostBob> go for it, Grace

[21:00] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Here comes Grace!!

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[21:00] <mysheperd-VHL> 4:)

[21:00] <Rich-VHL> 2yes Grace

[21:00] <rain-VHL> Hi Bob and all

[21:00] <Grace-VHL> Is it likely given the fact that so many of the Jewish people returning to Israel from other countries and who have no knowledge of the G-d of Israel will need to go through the tribulations in order to come to the tenets of the faith of the G-d of Israel?

[21:00] <skip-VHL372> 4hey light glad you made it

[21:01] <HostBob> then I have a shocking new item to share

[21:01] <HostBob> Hi Rain

[21:01] <light2-VHL> Hello to all and God Bless

[21:01] <mysheperd-VHL> 4He, He, He, Ha Ha ha ha ha

[21:01] <Grace-VHL> Shalom light..

[21:01] <Rich-VHL> 2what is that Bob

[21:01] <HostBob> Hello Light!

[21:01] <called_out-VHL> 10Hey Light

[21:01] <Rich-VHL> 2hi light

[21:01] <HostBob> Grace, perhaps we should clarify first..

[21:01] <rain-VHL> 10Hi light

[21:01] <light2-VHL> Hi Bob and everyone shalom

[21:02] <Grace-VHL> ok...go ahead Bob...

[21:02] <HostBob> "the faith of the God of Israel" in the true sense is only faith in the Son of God, right?

[21:02] <HostBob> not Judaism per se

[21:02] <Rich-VHL> 2Amen

[21:02] <Kathy-VHL> amen

[21:02] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Let God be the question and we're all living in Faith.

[21:03] <light2-VHL> No one comes to the Father except by Me

[21:03] <Grace-VHL> Yes, but no man comes to the Father unless the Son draw him...

[21:03] <Rich-VHL> 2faith in Jesus

[21:03] <HostBob> And ultimately, yes, Israel is being brought to the point of faith in Yeshua

[21:03] <skip-VHL372> 4amen

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[21:03] <Grace-VHL> Right...not faith in the G-d of the Judaic religion but faith in the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob...

[21:03] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Amen

[21:03] <HostBob> so your question is... are the troubles and trials to bring them to this point of faith?

[21:03] <Rich-VHL> 2every knee will bow to our Lord Jesus

[21:03] <HostBob> right :)

[21:04] <Grace-VHL> Yes....

[21:04] <light2-VHL> troubles and trials purify us

[21:04] <HostBob> I think it's true of all of us, in a sense...

[21:04] <mysheperd-VHL> 4You go Grace.

[21:04] <light2-VHL> And I would imagine His other people also

[21:04] <HostBob> our troubles often awake us to the need for His grace

[21:04] <HostBob> and mercy and compassion

[21:04] <Rich-VHL> 2will it be too late after Jesus comes back for the Jews to repent

[21:04] <HostBob> and protection and deliverance

[21:04] <light2-VHL> Amen and His help and protection

[21:04] <called_out-VHL> 10amen

[21:05] <Kathy-VHL> and when we look back we can see what He did for us

[21:05] <HostBob> Rich, good question....

[21:05] <Kathy-VHL> just as they will look back and know Him whom they have pierced

[21:05] <HostBob> look at that verse we saw earlier, that Paul quoted

[21:05] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Just Believe!

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[21:05] <Grace-VHL> And given this they will undoubtedly gone through sorrow and tribulation...Therefore, it will be so very, very needful that those that understand this to come forth in love, truth, and spirit and profess the Messiah and the mighty works that G-d has performed to bring them to this place in time...

[21:05] <Rich-VHL> 2If every knee bows to Him then I think they will be saved

[21:05] <skip-VHL372> 4hi delta

[21:06] <HostBob> This is interesting...

[21:06] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Skip!:-)

[21:06] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Prophecy

[21:06] <Rich-VHL> 2hi delta

[21:06] <HostBob> "And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob." (Romans 11:26 NIV)

[21:06] <HostBob> "And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."" (Romans 11:27 NIV)

[21:06] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Delta

[21:06] <called_out-VHL> 10Hey Delta

[21:06] <HostBob> But look what is says in Isaiah...

[21:06] <Delta-VHL> LOL Shalom Room

[21:06] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Good evening Delta

[21:07] <Rich-VHL> 2go ahead Bob

[21:07] <light2-VHL> The word all in that verse, may not mean every single person

[21:07] <HostBob> "And the Redeemer will come to Zion, And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob," declares the LORD." (Isaiah 59:20 NASB)

[21:07] <called_out-VHL> 10Good question Light.

[21:07] <Rich-VHL> 2All Israel light

[21:07] <HostBob> Look at the difference

[21:08] <light2-VHL> because I think it was used in another verse, where the sanhedrin said " all" the world has gone after him ( meaning Christ

[21:08] <HostBob> between what Paul quotted and the original

[21:08] <light2-VHL> Yes to those that are enlightened by Him and Repent

[21:08] <light2-VHL> God gives us the gift of Repentance

[21:09] <Delta-VHL> <<---confessing to being lost in the discussion

[21:09] <skip-VHL372> 4:-)

[21:09] <Grace-VHL> When we bear in our spirit the truth that G-d has concluded them all in unbelief, so he might have mercy upon them all we can witness the depth of love and mercy G-d our father has and in turn be like him as we interact with those who have yet to receive and believe that Yeshua is the Messiah of Israel...

[21:09] <HostBob> and Peter also quotes it

[21:09] <Kathy-VHL> big difference

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[21:10] <Grace-VHL> opps...conversation is moving in several directions...someone say...Shut-up Grace...!lol

[21:10] <Rich-VHL> 2Bob doesn't Daniel say something about the resurrection in the last chapter

[21:10] <skip-VHL372> 4hi levi

[21:10] <light2-VHL> Remember the opposite is true also, the Jews were blinded so gentiles could be saved, but not all gentiles are saved

[21:10] <rain-VHL> 10Hi Levi

[21:10] <HostBob> Yes, we are in one of those non-linear chat moments :)

[21:10] <Grace-VHL> Amen

[21:10] <Kathy-VHL> they have to accept Christ that is the only way they can be saved

[21:10] <Levi-VHL> Hi everyone

[21:11] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Levi

[21:11] <mysheperd-VHL> 4non Linear?

[21:11] <light2-VHL> Hi Levi

[21:11] <called_out-VHL> 10Only one way to salvation for both jew and Gentile

[21:11] <Rich-VHL> 2about how some will be brought to eternal glory and some to eternal shame

[21:11] <HostBob> meaning going in several directions at once :)

[21:11] <Grace-VHL> As concerning the gospek, they are (blinded Jews) enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the Fathers sake....

[21:11] <mysheperd-VHL> 4what's the question?

[21:11] <light2-VHL> the old testament prophets were saved by looking forward to Christ

[21:11] <Grace-VHL> gospel..

[21:12] <Delta-VHL> May I comment with a thought?

[21:12] <HostBob> You don't have to ask first :)

[21:12] <Delta-VHL> (I know that is dangerous!) lol

[21:12] <skip-VHL372> 4and we're saved by looking back to CHRIST

[21:12] <Rich-VHL> 2so then being maybe all of Israel will be saved

[21:12] <Delta-VHL> We know Yeshua is the only way of salvation. But is there more than one way to know Him?

[21:12] <Grace-VHL> What do you mean Delta?

[21:13] <Grace-VHL> Give an example if you would..

[21:13] <Delta-VHL> Well, there are different Christian churches with different beliefs, right?

[21:13] <Grace-VHL> true..

[21:13] <light2-VHL> You have to believe in His sacraficial death for the atonement of your sins Delta

[21:13] <Delta-VHL> So, is it possible, Yeshua will show Himself in a different light to the Jewish/Hebrew people?

[21:13] <HostBob> yeah, you better clarify that or you will get in theological hot water :)

[21:13] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Let her speak light

[21:13] <light2-VHL> For without the shedding of Blood is No Remission

[21:13] <skip-VHL372> 4JOHN 3:16

[21:14] <Delta-VHL> I agree with that

[21:14] <HostBob> such as?

[21:14] <Rich-VHL> 2Amen light

[21:14] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Read it out loud skip

[21:14] <mysheperd-VHL> 4with you now!

[21:14] <Rich-VHL> 2Levi how long you been here

[21:14] <HostBob> cmon, Delta, ya gotta go further with that

[21:14] <HostBob> :)

[21:14] <Delta-VHL> Well, I was thinking of how Yeshua was expected to come as a Warrior and He came as a baby first time

[21:15] <Grace-VHL> G-d and Messiah are the same yesterday today and tommorrow..so while we all may be at different places in our growth...we all need to be willing to be drawn, humble and seek G-d in spirit and in truth..

[21:15] <Kathy-VHL> they will have to recognize him as the Misiah that they are still looking for

[21:15] <HostBob> what if....

[21:15] <light2-VHL> So many Christians today , simply have a head knowledge of Christ and no heart knowledge

[21:15] <mysheperd-VHL> 4"Just Beleive"

[21:15] <Delta-VHL> They have to have their eyes opened. Does it not say in Isaiah their eyes are shut for a time? RIght?

[21:15] <Grace-VHL> But he comes with the sword of the spirit of his mouth...

[21:15] <skip-VHL372> 4who so ever believeth in HIM should not perish but have everlasting life

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[21:16] <Grace-VHL> Sword of his mouth and he will smite with this sword...

[21:16] <Rich-VHL> 2Amen skip

[21:16] <mike-VHL> 10I think that believe is better translated TRUST

[21:16] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Thanks skip!

[21:16] <Grace-VHL> We need correctly define Warrior...

[21:16] <light2-VHL> That belief is a full trusting confidence in all that the word says of Christ

[21:16] <Delta-VHL> I am not posing a question of WHO to believe in, JESUS/YESHUA is who to believe in

[21:17] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Hi! mike

[21:17] <HostBob> what if... for example, the Lord appears to deliver Jerusalem...

[21:17] <HostBob> "Then the LORD will appear over them, And His arrow will go forth like lightning; And the Lord GOD will blow the trumpet, And will march in the storm winds of the south." (Zechariah 9:14 NASB)

[21:17] <light2-VHL> Because satan believes in Christ, but he is not saved

[21:17] <Delta-VHL> And to be forgiven for our sins through His shed blood

[21:17] <HostBob> and they look up, and it's JESUS!

[21:17] <mary-VHL> Hi I'm Mary

[21:17] <HostBob> Hi there Mary!

[21:17] <Delta-VHL> Yes, Bob!

[21:17] <Levi-VHL> Excuse me but I just wanted you all to know that I logged on for my Nephew . I am at his house and I just wanted to show him the site. OK! Thank you all . His name is Ron and he will be on this one time under my name. I wanted to introduce him to the site. He is a believer

[21:17] <Rich-VHL> 2hello Mary

[21:17] <called_out-VHL> 10According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber eyes that they should not see, nnd ears that they should not hear; unto this day.

[21:17] <light2-VHL> Hello Mary

[21:17] <mary-VHL> Hi Rick and Bob

[21:17] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Archer here.

[21:17] <HostBob> Hi there Levi and Ron!

[21:17] <Bezalel-VHL> Hi Mary

[21:18] <Rich-VHL> 2hi Ron

[21:18] <HostBob> Glad to have ya Ron!

[21:18] <skip-VHL372> 4HI RONM

[21:18] <Delta-VHL> Hi Ron, Levi, everyone!

[21:18] <Grace-VHL> And out of his mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron....Rev 19:25

[21:18] <mary-VHL> I've never been here before but I love Jesus with all my heart

[21:18] <called_out-VHL> 10hey Ron

[21:18] <skip-VHL372> 4hi MARY

[21:18] <Grace-VHL> Shalom Ron.....

[21:18] <HostBob> Then you are in good company Mary, cuz we do too :)

[21:18] <light2-VHL> Your in the right room Mary !!

[21:18] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Mary

[21:18] <Rich-VHL> 2then you are at the right spot Mary

[21:18] <Bezalel-VHL> You're in one of the good sites, Mary

[21:18] <Grace-VHL> Praise the Lord Mary!

[21:18] <Delta-VHL> Welcome!

[21:18] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Rain down on me. Good evening

[21:19] <Rich-VHL> 2we all love Jesus and each other

[21:19] <HostBob> Some have speculated this scenario...

[21:19] <Grace-VHL> Amen!

[21:19] <light2-VHL> Bob what was the news you were going to share earlier??

[21:19] <mary-VHL> Thank you!!! I'm glad to have found you guys

[21:19] <mysheperd-VHL> 4quiet Rain, i'm shore their a storm brewing:)

[21:19] <Delta-VHL> I guess the thought is, if we grant grace to other Christians to come to Him in different ways

[21:19] <Grace-VHL> Well come back often then....!

[21:19] <HostBob> the Jews would have fled to the desert (Rev 12) which may be Petra...

[21:19] <Delta-VHL> why not the Jewish people too?

[21:19] <Delta-VHL> Sorry Bob

[21:20] <HostBob> where they will be taken care of by the Lord....

[21:20] <Grace-VHL> Absolutely Delta...

[21:20] <Kathy-VHL> WE have to remembr tht the jews will not become Christian they will become Messianiac Jews

[21:20] <mysheperd-VHL> 4You welcome Mary

[21:20] <Grace-VHL> Amen Kathy!

[21:20] <HostBob> and.... because there are several verses about the return of the Lord that say He will come FROM Bozrah (Edom, the area of Petra)....

[21:21] <Bezalel-VHL> I've kinda thought they will be protected there and spared a lot of the tribulation, Bob. Is that right?

[21:21] <Rich-VHL> 2Mary what do you think of this fabulous sight

[21:21] <Grace-VHL> The thought that Jews needed to be converted to the doctrinal tenets of Christianity has caused so much bloodshed and destruction...

[21:21] <skip-VHL372> 4but we are all of the same vine JEWS & CHRISTIANS

[21:21] <HostBob> some have speculated that He will first come to the Jews who are being protected there, to reveal His identity to them

[21:21] <Kathy-VHL> they have a description of the Messiah and they will see that Jesus fulfills that plus they will see what he did beyond what they thought he would

[21:21] <Grace-VHL> Amen skip![

[21:21] <HostBob> and then He will go out to fight, for Jerusalem, and against the nations at Armegeddon

[21:21] <mary-VHL> it's a super site so far Rich

[21:21] <mike-VHL> 105I disagree with Delta because there is only one way to salvation that is through Jesus Christ

[21:21] <Grace-VHL> We are all joint heirs...!

[21:21] <Delta-VHL> Grace, doctrine is not an issue. That is one point I am trying to make

[21:22] <HostBob> There is only one way, and one body

[21:22] <Rich-VHL> 2I think so too Mary

[21:22] <mary-VHL> I'm feeling very alone and its good to no you guys are here!!

[21:22] <light2-VHL> One faith and one baptism

[21:22] <HostBob> I think we should not make such distinctions

[21:22] <HostBob> there are not 2 kinds of believers

[21:22] <Grace-VHL> Now Bob...when you say he will go out and fight for Jerusalem....are you saying in the flesh...or through his saints?

[21:22] <skip-VHL372> 4? delta

[21:22] <Levi-VHL> I am really glad that my uncle showd me this site. I will book mark it for future use. I have a 9 month old son, so I have to run right now. I'll be back again. God Bless.

[21:22] <HostBob> the wall has been broken down

[21:22] <HostBob> in the flesh, Grace

[21:22] <HostBob> He will

[21:22] <mysheperd-VHL> 4You have friends here in Jesus

[21:22] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Mary

[21:22] <light2-VHL> Bye Levi come again

[21:22] <Grace-VHL> Ron...please do come back...Blessing and love to you and your son in the Messiah...

[21:22] <Rich-VHL> 2gotto go Ron?

[21:23] <Delta-VHL> Ok, I am trying to catch up here

[21:23] <Grace-VHL> Yes Bob...and we become one new man...

[21:23] <HostBob> me too Delat :)

[21:23] <Bezalel-VHL> Bye Levi, say hi to your uncle!

[21:23] <mysheperd-VHL> 4You must become a member Levi

[21:23] <HostBob> See ya Ron!

[21:23] <Delta-VHL> May I restate my question?

[21:23] <light2-VHL> One of the biggest dangers I see Christians facing now is not knowing the faith well enough to contend for it

[21:23] <skip-VHL372> 4:-)

[21:23] <Grace-VHL> Sure...

[21:23] <Delta-VHL> :-) shalom Ron!

[21:23] <Kathy-VHL> Delta I think your question got misunderstood

[21:23] <HostBob> Hey, the room is hopping now :)

[21:23] <Grace-VHL> light...amen....and so we need redeem the time...

[21:24] <skip-VHL372> 4go delta

[21:24] <light2-VHL> For the time is coming when we are going to have be able to tell the truth from a lie

[21:24] <mary-VHL> Bye for now!! GOD Bless You All == Mary

[21:24] <called_out-VHL> 10Light, the faith was made simple so that a little child can understand.

[21:24] <mysheperd-VHL> 4you mean fight for it light2

[21:24] <Grace-VHL> we need to I believe continue to allow ourselves to be purified , taught, and led of the Spirit...

[21:24] <skip-VHL372> 4bye mary

[21:24] <Delta-VHL> First a comment: Jesus/Yeshua is THE way to Father God, through His shed blood

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[21:24] <Grace-VHL> Shalom Mary..please come again...blessing's, and love in the Messiah...!

[21:24] <mysheperd-VHL> 4goodnight mary

[21:24] <Delta-VHL> In light of that, the question is

[21:24] <light2-VHL> Well it is simple but it is also complete truth and the lie is coming on the world

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[21:25] <Rich-VHL> 2speaking of lies has anyone seen that u.n. site about the 12 religions

[21:25] <light2-VHL> And Satan comes as an angel of light

[21:25] <Kathy-VHL> yea

[21:25] <Delta-VHL> Is it possible the Jewish people will come to know Him in a different manner than we are used to?

[21:25] <Grace-VHL> Whoa...how true...!

[21:25] <light2-VHL> Yes Rich and that is why we have to know what we believe in

[21:25] <HostBob> Delta, I think there is only one way...

[21:25] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Wisdom begot knowledge light.

[21:25] <Delta-VHL> Same salvation, through His blood, but what will open their eyes?

[21:26] <HostBob> to recognize Him as the Lord and call on His name

[21:26] <HostBob> circumstances may differ

[21:26] <light2-VHL> Because that UN site makes it sound so natural for us to worship with all other faiths

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[21:26] <HostBob> but there is only one way to come to faith

[21:26] <skip-VHL372> 4hi JUDY

[21:26] <light2-VHL> Like " All Roads lead to One Father" type hype

[21:26] <Rich-VHL> 2could a world religion come from this

[21:26] <Kathy-VHL> they will Delta they will see Him as He is protrayed in the OT and then they will see and understand what He did and accept the sacrifice and accept the gift just like we do

[21:26] <Grace-VHL> G-d is a unique G-d and I believe almost customizes His interactions with each of us personally - bringing us in His time and ways to His truths and the Messiah..

[21:26] <Delta-VHL> Ok, Circumstances may differ. That is where I am trying to go

[21:26] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Than your saying we are Universal?

[21:26] <Judy-VHL> 5Hello everyone.

[21:26] <HostBob> right :)

[21:26] <Rich-VHL> 2hi JUdy

[21:26] <HostBob> and boy they will be some circumstances :)

[21:26] <Rich-VHL> 2opps

[21:27] <Delta-VHL> Yes, Sir!

[21:27] <called_out-VHL> 10God will give eyes to see at the last days.

[21:27] <light2-VHL> IT is coming Rich , lets just say its here already

[21:27] <mike-VHL> 5We came to Know Jesus through the Old Testiment as well as the New The Jewish people have the Old they just need to understand it.

[21:27] <Rich-VHL> 2I mean hi Judy

[21:27] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Prayer is the answer, even at the weeping wall.

[21:27] <Grace-VHL> Bob...would you expound on "boy there will be some circumstances"

[21:27] <HostBob> Yes, READ READ READ the Bible! AND READ and READ some more! Drink it in!

[21:27] <Delta-VHL> LOL Bob!

[21:27] <Judy-VHL> 5I got ya Rich, hello to you too.

[21:27] <HostBob> LOL Grace

[21:27] <Grace-VHL> myshep...Amen....that we pray without ceasing...and one for another...

[21:27] <mysheperd-VHL> 4lol

[21:28] <Grace-VHL> Amen Bob...We did find His words and eat them...

[21:28] <Rich-VHL> 2should we be glad or sad as we know our Lord will be comming soon

[21:28] <Grace-VHL> For they are life unto us...

[21:28] <skip-VHL372> 4putting on the whole armour of G_D

[21:28] <HostBob> Well, Grace, much is written in the Scriptures about the circumstances for Jesus' return

[21:28] <HostBob> that is what I was alluding to

[21:28] <Delta-VHL> Rich, I am both.

[21:28] <light2-VHL> I believe every believe has been born of travail by someone praying for them

[21:28] <called_out-VHL> 10:->Rich

[21:28] <Kathy-VHL> Rich gald for myself but sad for those who do not know

[21:28] <Grace-VHL> both...Glad for the return...sad and grieved for those who will not receive..

[21:29] <skip-VHL372> 4amen Grace

[21:29] <Grace-VHL> Continue if you would Bob...

[21:29] <Rich-VHL> 2well we should be glad that our Lord is comming soon but sad for what the world will do to us light2

[21:29] <HostBob> well, Grace, a number of places it talks about the Lord in the air, fighting for them

[21:29] <HostBob> for example

[21:29] <light2-VHL> Well Rich our rewards will be great if we endure

[21:29] <Delta-VHL> yes...

[21:29] <skip-VHL372> 4rejoice in trials & tribs

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 2yes endure to the end

[21:30] <HostBob> here is a fantastic picture...

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[21:30] <mysheperd-VHL> 4you shed some light2..:)

[21:30] <Grace-VHL> Amen skip...

[21:30] <HostBob> "This is what the LORD says to me: "As a lion growls, a great lion over his prey-- and though a whole band of shepherds is called together against him, he is not frightened by their shouts or disturbed by their clamor-- so the LORD Almighty will come down to do battle on Mount Zion and on its heights." (Isaiah 31:4 NIV)

[21:30] <HostBob> "Like birds hovering overhead, the LORD Almighty will shield Jerusalem; he will shield it and deliver it, he will 'pass over' it and will rescue it."" (Isaiah 31:5 NIV)

[21:30] <HostBob> Look closely at the prophecy about Jesus' return

[21:30] <Delta-VHL> YES! The Warrior!

[21:31] <light2-VHL> Amen that agrees with Ps 91 also

[21:31] <HostBob> What a wonderful picture!

[21:31] <Grace-VHL> Amen! Amen! Praise the L-rd....! Let us rejoice together and find our refuge in Him and our Messiah!

[21:31] <Rich-VHL> 2Amen Bob

[21:31] <light2-VHL> He puts us under His wing

[21:31] <HostBob> The fearless Lion

[21:31] <Kathy-VHL> Bob what about His comming in the air

[21:31] <HostBob> fearless against the "whole band" assembled against him

[21:31] <Grace-VHL> Amen....Totally Awesome!

[21:31] <Rich-VHL> 2the Lion of the tribe of Judah

[21:31] <HostBob> Yes, AWESOME!

[21:31] <Delta-VHL> As a Warrior who redeems them physically, I think PERHAPS their eyes will be opened to Him saving them as the Lamb as well?

[21:32] <HostBob> Yes, Kathy?

[21:32] <Kathy-VHL> we arent going to be here for the great battle as people

[21:32] <light2-VHL> Today I asked God to show me how to view all that is happening with His eyes

[21:32] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Just Beleive

[21:32] <Grace-VHL> Delta....Yes..

[21:32] <skip-VHL372> 4what was your shocking news you spoke of earlier BOB?I

[21:32] <Kathy-VHL> we will return with him with our glorified bodies

[21:32] <Grace-VHL> light...very wise move...

[21:32] <light2-VHL> and I imagined an ant hill

[21:32] <HostBob> I think we are, Kathy... we will be in the armies of heaven, following Him

[21:32] <Kathy-VHL> in our glorified bodies I mean

[21:32] <Rich-VHL> 2what did He tell you light2

[21:32] <Delta-VHL> A glitch there

[21:32] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Yeah skip!

[21:32] <light2-VHL> ants can be flooded with water

[21:32] <Grace-VHL> We can only have light in his light...for he is the true light that lighteth the world..

[21:32] <light2-VHL> or even burned with fire

[21:32] <HostBob> ok skip - here is the news item

[21:33] <Kathy-VHL> yes that is what I am saying but we will not be here for a time while the things happen that lead up to that final war

[21:33] <HostBob> Depends on your understanding, Kathy

[21:33] <Rich-VHL> 2where will we be Kathy

[21:33] <Grace-VHL> Kathy...There may be many of us left behind to witness to the Jews and comfort them in the tribulation..

[21:33] <HostBob> pre, post, whatever

[21:33] <HostBob> (IsraelWire-6/29) MK Rechavam Ze'evi of the Nation Union/Yisrael Beteinu faction, a former major-general in the IDF, has reported that PLO Authority (PA) paramilitary forces are engaged in exercises to overrun Jewish communities in Yesha, using mock settlements established by the PA. Ze'evi chairs the Knesset Foreign Affairs & Defense Subcomittee, in charge of IDF preparedness.

[21:33] <Kathy-VHL> we will be with the Lord

[21:34] <HostBob> Following warning by the intelligence community of the likelihood of renewed Islamic violence as was seen during the month of May, Ze'evi explains that the PA forces are exercising overrunning Yesha communities and a situation may arise in which thousands of hostile forces attempt to take over Jewish communities throughout Yesha. Ze'evi points out the PA is using Hizbullah activities in southern Lebanon as a model of how to drive out Israel from areas it wishes to "liberate".

[21:34] <Kathy-VHL> either way Bob we will be taken before the final battle because it says we return with Him to do battle

[21:34] <HostBob> right

[21:34] <light2-VHL> Bob if you looked over the site on Bethelem 2000 you would have seen that coming

[21:34] <Kathy-VHL> but Bob I am pre Trib

[21:34] <HostBob> Yesha is Judea and Sameria

[21:35] <HostBob> ok, then you'll be long gone :)

[21:35] <Delta-VHL> Bob, that may be why the IDF has barbed wire going up.

[21:35] <Grace-VHL> Kathy...but do you believe it to be G-d's strategy to leave comfoters behind?

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 2I think Kathy that we will be killed for our faith and come back with Him but not raptured

[21:35] <light2-VHL> The PLO have the pope and the un and the world bank behind them for over 3 years now

[21:35] <Judy-VHL> 56Kathy, I am too.....a pre tribber. Not very many feel that here, I don't think.

[21:35] <light2-VHL> I saw that when I read the news stories

[21:35] <Kathy-VHL> lol yea but I can still know now what is ahead so I know how to pray for the future before I leave lol

[21:35] <HostBob> :)

[21:36] <Kathy-VHL> no most here are post trib

[21:36] <Delta-VHL> Either way, we all will be with Jesus, right?

[21:36] <Kathy-VHL> thats right

[21:36] <Grace-VHL> Delta...true....

[21:36] <Kathy-VHL> God will comfort Grace

[21:36] <skip-VHL372> 4amen sooner or later

[21:36] <Rich-VHL> 2Amen Delta

[21:36] <called_out-VHL> 10I used to be pre trib, but now I don't know, it doesn't matter, Jesus will take care of us.

[21:36] <light2-VHL> In the site Bethlehem 2000 they dont even mention Israel , only once to say in 3 decades they did not take care of the holy land

[21:36] <Delta-VHL> Amen, Called Out

[21:36] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Bob, than what of the left Jordan? Annan is supporting the PA, he said that just monday.

[21:37] <Grace-VHL> Yes, but isn't his call that we too comfort his people..and at what point would that directive become invalid?

[21:37] <Judy-VHL> 6Kathy and I will just be there before you guys!! LOL Just kidding people!

[21:37] <HostBob> there are a lot of use "used to be pre-trib" folks :)

[21:37] <Kathy-VHL> yea it doesnt mater we are going up

[21:37] <light2-VHL> I would say that Israel now has all the Nations against it and they are in cooperation

[21:37] <skip-VHL372> 4so what are you saying BOB that pa is getting ready for a bloodshed

[21:37] <Delta-VHL> LOL Judy!

[21:37] <HostBob> Yes, Shepherd?

[21:37] <Grace-VHL> The two witness come during the trib...will they stand alone...I realize the nations will hate them

[21:37] <Delta-VHL> Well, I still have my "mid-trib" button on! LOL

[21:37] <HostBob> Right, Skip

[21:37] <Kathy-VHL> lol Judy we can still laugh

[21:38] <Judy-VHL> 6Yep

[21:38] <HostBob> they are talking peace, which is a farce, only a ploy to get what they can....

[21:38] <Grace-VHL> Now I no this may not be appreciated but I believe that in one aspect that the rapture in part was the Jews being brought "up" from the 4 corners of the earth...

[21:38] <HostBob> before they try to take the rest by force

[21:38] <Rich-VHL> 2then theu.n. will have to step in huh Bob

[21:38] <Delta-VHL> In April an IDF soldier on line said Israel was preparing for the possiblity

[21:38] <called_out-VHL> 10Delta, I am convinced that we will be raptured at least by mid trib.

[21:38] <skip-VHL372> 4ok Yhanks BOB

[21:38] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Bob, your saying she once was on the right.

[21:38] <light2-VHL> Skip you don't have to read very much between the lines to know that they want Israel out of the land

[21:38] <HostBob> I'm not sure what you mean, myshep

[21:38] <Grace-VHL> light..truly dispicable isn't it...? But the L-rd will of course prevail....

[21:39] <Bezalel-VHL> What? Bob, don't tell me that my beloved President and Sec of State would sell out Israel for a legacy of "peace"

[21:39] <light2-VHL> But with all the money they have spent (millions and millions,) I am sure they don't want to tear the land up

[21:39] <Delta-VHL> ROFL Bez!

[21:39] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 2beloved I must go for this time You all take care and keep loving each other

[21:39] <Kathy-VHL> scripture says that the one who now restrains must be taken out of the way and that is the Holy Spirit and the Tribulation cannot begin until that happens

[21:39] <Bezalel-VHL> Bye Rich

[21:39] <Grace-VHL> Rich...Shalom and love to you in the Messiah...

[21:39] <HostBob> See ya Rich! Great to have you again

[21:39] <mysheperd-VHL> 4The head of Jordan is a woman now. was she ever for Israel before becoming leader.

[21:40] <called_out-VHL> 10Bye Rich. See you soon.

[21:40] <light2-VHL> Hey alot of the money given to the bethlehem 2000 project was given also by US

[21:40] <Kathy-VHL> by rich

[21:40] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Rich!

[21:40] <Judy-VHL> 6Actually Kathy, I think it is the church.

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[21:40] <HostBob> Shep, perhaps you are thinking of another country? The King of Jordan is a man?

[21:40] <Kathy-VHL> yes because that is where the Holy Spirit dwells

[21:40] <called_out-VHL> 10I think so too Judy.

[21:41] <HostBob> I think I may have missed some questions or comments in the flurry back there

[21:41] <Kathy-VHL> it has to be the church I just didnt go far enough in saying that the HS lives in the hearts of the believers

[21:41] <Kathy-VHL> two conversations going again Bob

[21:41] <Bezalel-VHL> I'm trying to picture an Islamic country ruled by a woman....nope the image won't come.

[21:41] <Delta-VHL> I think we are talking about Jordan, and pre, mid, post trib

[21:41] <Judy-VHL> 6But I believe the HS will still be here. Omnipresent.

[21:41] <HostBob> two, three, twenty :)

[21:42] <HostBob> Yes, Judy

[21:42] <skip-VHL372> 4and it shouldnt matter cause HE IS WITH US ALWAYS

[21:42] <Kathy-VHL> I I think it will be here like it was in the OT

[21:42] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Maybe I'm missing something you said about Judah.

[21:42] <Kathy-VHL> He will come and go

[21:42] <Delta-VHL> Bezalel....rofl!

[21:42] <Grace-VHL> There is a country I believe ruled by a woman but I can't think of it..

[21:42] <HostBob> Sorry, I'm not sure what that was

[21:42] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Please forgive me.

[21:42] <HostBob> that's ok :)

[21:42] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Your right Bob

[21:43] <Grace-VHL> brb

[21:43] <skip-VHL372> 4he will not leave us nor forsake us EVER

[21:43] <Delta-VHL> We likes ya, my shepherd!

[21:43] <HostBob> yes, we do :)

[21:43] <Kathy-VHL> thats right skip we wont be here

[21:43] <called_out-VHL> 10oh yes, we do

[21:44] <mysheperd-VHL> 4I remember reading something about a woman who is uplifting the palestinians now.

[21:44] <mysheperd-VHL> 4what do you know about the band of people?

[21:44] <Bezalel-VHL> Madeline Allbright?

[21:44] <skip-VHL372> 4is it queen nora?

[21:44] <light2-VHL> Please

[21:44] <Delta-VHL> It sounds like Madeline

[21:44] <Kathy-VHL> Hillary Clinton\

[21:44] <HostBob> You may be referring to what Skip said

[21:44] <light2-VHL> Our country is not for Israel

[21:44] <Grace-VHL> I know the woman who is uplifting the Palestinians..she is a real rip..

[21:45] <HostBob> the late King Hussein's American born wife

[21:45] <Delta-VHL> Skip, it can't be Queen Noor, she isn't in power at all

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[21:45] <called_out-VHL> 10Hillary?:->

[21:45] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Yes skip that's it. what about that new edition. Bob

[21:45] <Delta-VHL> LOL Called out

[21:45] <Kathy-VHL> Yea she is behind it all lol

[21:45] <Grace-VHL> She speaks with a double tongue...and instigates hate for Israel..

[21:45] <HostBob> new edition?

[21:45] <skip-VHL372> 4she still has influence ..being queen mom

[21:45] <HostBob> Welcome, Fran!

[21:45] <mysheperd-VHL> 4In the PLO process.

[21:46] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Fran!

[21:46] <skip-VHL372> 4hi fran

[21:46] <Kathy-VHL> She was probably at that party they had for arrifat

[21:46] <called_out-VHL> 10Hey fran

[21:46] <Delta-VHL> Ummm, I received something a few moments ago from Temple Mount Faithful...

[21:46] <mysheperd-VHL> 44Howdoes that play into the IDF?

[21:46] <HostBob> Fran, you aren't THE Fran are ya? Stan's Fran? <g>

[21:46] <Delta-VHL> lol Bob!

[21:46] <Grace-VHL> Kathy..more than likely...she has been heralded on T.V. to be a woman of intelligence and peace...

[21:47] <fran-VHL> no

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[21:47] <HostBob> :) I know, she just had a baby :)

[21:47] <HostBob> Welcome, Mike!

[21:47] <Delta-VHL> Ok, which one, Madeline or Hillary!

[21:47] <called_out-VHL> 10You are close enough, fran, welcome

[21:47] <Grace-VHL> who just had a baby?

[21:47] <HostBob> Stan's wife had a baby boy

[21:47] <skip-VHL372> 4stans fran

[21:47] <called_out-VHL> 10Hillary gets my vote....not:->

[21:47] <mike-VHL> hello everyone from FL

[21:47] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Mike!

[21:47] <Kathy-VHL> lol ca;;ed\

[21:47] <light2-VHL> Bob what did they name the boy??

[21:48] <Delta-VHL> yeah, what is his name?

[21:48] <HostBob> Sorry, Shep, just saw your comment - could you elaborate?

[21:48] <skip-VHL372> 4hi mike

[21:48] <HostBob> Didn't hear the name yet

[21:48] <Grace-VHL> ok guys...tonight I am going for a record of at least 7 hours of sleep...so I am going to bid you all lila tov, blessings and Love in the Messiah...

[21:48] <HostBob> but I have pics :)

[21:48] <mysheperd-VHL> 4stans fran, you must be goose bumps all over. He is a precious little boy.

[21:48] <HostBob> http://www.virtualholyland.com/stans/2mom.jpg

[21:48] <HostBob> http://www.virtualholyland.com/stans/2dad.jpg

[21:48] <HostBob> http://www.virtualholyland.com/stans/2boy.jpg

[21:48] <Delta-VHL> Shalom, Grace!

[21:48] <Bezalel-VHL> Say Good Night, Gracie!

[21:48] <HostBob> See ya Grace!!!

[21:48] <Grace-VHL> Good night Grace....

[21:49] <Grace-VHL> Shalom....

[21:49] <skip-VHL372> 4GOOD NIGHT GRACE SLEEP WELL

[21:49] <Kathy-VHL> bye Grace

[21:49] <Bezalel-VHL> :->

[21:49] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Grace, love yah! Wonderful conselor

[21:49] <Grace-VHL> todah....

[21:49] <called_out-VHL> 10God bless Grace;-)

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[21:50] <mysheperd-VHL> 4IDF Bob.

[21:50] <mysheperd-VHL> 4An the Queen

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[21:50] <HostBob> Poor Fran - I think we scared her away :)

[21:51] <HostBob> ok, focus, group :)

[21:51] <Delta-VHL> oh dear!

[21:51] <skip-VHL372> 4I JIUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU YESHUA FOR LETTING ME STAY ONLINE without getting kicked off

[21:51] <HostBob> :) skip

[21:51] <Delta-VHL> Amen Skip!

[21:51] <Bezalel-VHL> 0...0...0 (zeroing in)

[21:51] <skip-VHL372> 4amen

[21:51] <Kathy-VHL> :-)

[21:51] <mysheperd-VHL> 4You been a Blessing Skip

[21:52] <HostBob> I have something here...

[21:52] <skip-VHL372> 4:-)

[21:52] <HostBob> an op-ed from the Jerusalem Post

[21:52] <Kathy-VHL> listening Bob

[21:52] <mysheperd-VHL> 4My last question bob

[21:52] <HostBob> by Uri Da

[21:52] <HostBob> Uri Dan

[21:52] <HostBob> which I thought was interesting

[21:52] <light2-VHL> If you want to read some interesting things about who all is supporting Araffat, check out the news items and comittee members on this site

[21:52] <HostBob> I am going to paste parts of it

[21:52] <light2-VHL> http://www.b2000mirror.org/

[21:52] <HostBob> In Arafat's pocket

[21:52] <HostBob> By Uri Dan

[21:52] <HostBob> (June 29) - Even if Prime Minister Ehud Barak is prepared to withdraw to the borders of the 1947 UN Partition Plan, there is no chance that Yasser Arafat will sign a peace agreement with him. And even if Barak manages to get Arafat to sign a document proclaiming the end of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it will not be worth the paper it's written on.

[21:53] <HostBob> Already in September 1993 Rabin and Peres boasted in the White House that they had brought to an end "a hundred years of conflict." Now Barak is trying to recycle the rotten merchandise.

[21:53] <HostBob> Arafat is threatening him with an intifada and Barak continues to retreat. Arafat threatens, and Barak immediately sends him the minister of internal security, Shlomo Ben-Ami, in order to persuade him to travel to Washington

[21:53] <HostBob> No wonder Radio Palestine mocked on Monday afternoon both Barak's government and Israel: "The Israelis aren't prepared to suffer even a single casualty," said their commentator, "but we are prepared for thousands of victims. If there will be a confrontation, the settlements and not the Palestinian towns will be under siege," he boasted

[21:53] <light2-VHL> http://www.b2000mirror.org/

[21:54] <HostBob> It goes on from there - interesting stuff

[21:54] <HostBob> Here is the URL: http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2000/06/29/Opinion/Opinion.8889.html

[21:54] <Delta-VHL> Sounds accurate

[21:54] <light2-VHL> I believe everything with Israel is for show, the plo and whole nations have sold them over

[21:54] <light2-VHL> They had it all planned

[21:54] <HostBob> Yes, but they will not get what they are expecting

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> Well, it ain't over until the King comes through the gate!

[21:55] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[21:55] <light2-VHL> what about the trib they might bring that on

[21:55] <skip-VHL372> 4they have always said their goal (PA) is not peace but TOTAT anniahlation of everything JEWISH

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[21:55] <Delta-VHL> I am sorry, but, I try to remember God's Boss, cause it really is not funny, and not good

[21:56] <HostBob> Right, Skip

[21:56] <light2-VHL> And somewhere the other day one of the old scholars said the trib may last 40 to 70 years

[21:56] <HostBob> Welcome, Dave :)

[21:56] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Dave!

[21:56] <light2-VHL> I don't know where he came up with that but I would like to know

[21:56] <Judy-VHL> 6Doug, where are you from? Arizona?

[21:56] <mike-VHL> 40 to 70 years?

[21:56] <skip-VHL372> 4hi dave

[21:56] <called_out-VHL> 10I don't believe that light. Daniel is too specific for that to be true

[21:56] <mysheperd-VHL> 4welcome dave

[21:57] <called_out-VHL> 10hey Dave

[21:57] <HostBob> yeah, 3 1/2 years is mentioned over and over

[21:57] <Kathy-VHL> yea meybe he was dyslexic

[21:57] <light2-VHL> I know but this man is not a fly by nite

[21:57] <light2-VHL> I have to study to see where he comes up with that figure

[21:57] <HostBob> he's a fly by day? :)

[21:57] <light2-VHL> I hope and pray it is wrong

[21:58] <light2-VHL> He is actually long gone

[21:58] <light2-VHL> well with the Lord

[21:58] <Delta-VHL> LOL Bob!

[21:58] <HostBob> oh, he's grounded :)

[21:58] <Delta-VHL> Groanerrs!!!!

[21:58] <light2-VHL> skip I gave you his urls it is AJ Pink

[21:58] <HostBob> hey, I thought that was pretty good!

[21:58] <HostBob> one of my best efforts!

[21:58] <light2-VHL> They come off the Christian Library site

[21:59] <HostBob> was about to award myself a gold star of humor :)

[21:59] <Delta-VHL> Ok, I admit, I DID chuckle!

[21:59] <Kathy-VHL> lol

[21:59] <skip-VHL372> 4yeah I got it thanks L2

[21:59] <mike-VHL> lol Bob

[21:59] <Kathy-VHL> laughter is good medecine

[21:59] <Delta-VHL> Ummm, naw, a new Crown, Bob

[21:59] <HostBob> :)

[22:00] <skip-VHL372> 4humor is best part of conversation :-)

[22:00] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Thanks be to God. bob

[22:00] <Delta-VHL> You know, we have humor, but I know the post you shared with us Bob is serious

[22:00] <Delta-VHL> and I am concerned where that will lead us

[22:00] <HostBob> ok, this a bit off the wall...

[22:00] <called_out-VHL> 10Bob, is there any indication that the IDF is on red alert.

[22:00] <Kathy-VHL> Yes lets discuss that

[22:00] <mike-VHL> ok Bob

[22:01] <mysheperd-VHL> 4say

[22:01] <Delta-VHL> Called out, they are on alert and preparing for possible trouble

[22:01] <skip-VHL372> 4all roads lead to G_D

[22:01] <mysheperd-VHL> 4listening

[22:01] <HostBob> there are indications in the press, yes, that the IDF is preparing for substantial war scenarios

[22:01] <mysheperd-VHL> 4skip:)

[22:01] <light2-VHL> Here is a better url to the Bethlehem 2000 site

[22:01] <HostBob> which of course any army will do, practice plausible scenarios...

[22:01] <light2-VHL> http://www.b2000mirror.org/main.html

[22:02] <called_out-VHL> 10More serious that what took place in May?

[22:02] <HostBob> but yes, they have recently given arms to the Yesha residence

[22:02] <light2-VHL> It will help you understand who the supporters of the plo are

[22:02] <HostBob> to protect themselves

[22:02] <HostBob> yes, called_out, much more

[22:02] <Delta-VHL> Thank you God!

[22:02] <Delta-VHL> Bob, giving the people arms reminds me of Esther! :-)

[22:03] <HostBob> if, in September, they declare a state unilaterally, without a "peace pact"

[22:03] <called_out-VHL> 10What a tradegy for the residences

[22:03] <HostBob> then indications are that the PA will try to grab as much as possible

[22:03] <HostBob> and it will erupt into full-blown warfare

[22:03] <Kathy-VHL> their weapons are going to fire backwards

[22:03] <skip-VHL372> 4Arafat has promised he was going to do that in SEPT.

[22:04] <HostBob> and... it is my opinion....

[22:04] <skip-VHL372> 4amen kathy

[22:04] <HostBob> that that will happen in conjunction to a Syria conflagration

[22:04] <called_out-VHL> 10That is what Arafat keeps promising, Sept 13 or so.

[22:04] <light2-VHL> I cannot understand why people are telling everyone to visit Israel now. It doesn't make sense if they are on the brink of war

[22:04] <Delta-VHL> Bob, isn't "the son" already wanting to have negotiations over the Golan?

[22:04] <HostBob> I may go in September, Light :)

[22:05] <light2-VHL> Even Hal Lindsey said we should go now , while it is peaceful

[22:05] <Delta-VHL> I may be right behind you , Bob!

[22:05] <light2-VHL> but to me its like the eye of a storm

[22:05] <HostBob> yes, Delta, they want to possess it

[22:05] <HostBob> hey, what better place and time to be a part of the action!

[22:05] <skip-VHL372> 4G_D will be with you BOB ,

[22:05] <HostBob> who needs boring history books when you can be in the middle of it! (wink)

[22:05] <Delta-VHL> Oh, I want to be there! RoshHoshannah starts the 30th of Sept!

[22:05] <Delta-VHL> Amen Bob!

[22:05] <light2-VHL> I hope the Lord called you all to go there, because I still keep thinking of the verse to flee, when it is surrounded by nations

[22:06] <skip-VHL372> 4HE didn't give us a spirit of fear

[22:06] <called_out-VHL> 10I would go, I want to see what happens....

[22:06] <HostBob> it's not that time yet, light

[22:06] <light2-VHL> Delta that is the Day of Judgement

[22:06] <Delta-VHL> Ok, how about a group travel trip?

[22:06] <Bezalel-VHL> I'm with you Bob. I get stronger pushes every day to go....

[22:06] <light2-VHL> How can you be so sure Bob

[22:06] <Delta-VHL> I still want to be there for the beginning of RoshHoshannah!

[22:06] <skip-VHL372> 4garage sale time

[22:06] <HostBob> Well, I'm not absolutely sure, of course..

[22:07] <Kathy-VHL> I get the push not just to visit but to stay lol

[22:07] <HostBob> but for one things, there is no Temple yet

[22:07] <Kathy-VHL> over there

[22:07] <light2-VHL> Well I would fast and pray and ask and seek first

[22:07] <HostBob> Yeah Bez! Let's go!

[22:07] <Delta-VHL> Oh Bob? I need to ask about the Temple? Please?

[22:07] <HostBob> We'll have the Prophecy Chat live from Stan's living room!

[22:07] <skip-VHL372> 4does there have to be a literal Temple?

[22:07] <HostBob> (hear that Stan??? :)

[22:07] <light2-VHL> But the holy places are defiled by muslims and Popeish things

[22:07] <called_out-VHL> 10But, the temple could be built in 3 yrs.

[22:07] <Delta-VHL> ALL RIGHT STAN!

[22:07] <Delta-VHL> LOL

[22:07] <Bezalel-VHL> My wife keeps telling me, if we go, we might not come back!

[22:08] <HostBob> yeah, so? :)

[22:08] <Delta-VHL> Praise God, we are still in His arms!

[22:08] <light2-VHL> I think it may already be standing where it ought nought too

[22:08] <called_out-VHL> 10Who wants to come back?

[22:08] <light2-VHL> Amen called out

[22:08] <mysheperd-VHL> 4I understand bob, but in september is'ent that the sign of sagittarius. In that month the Hellenized Syrians who sought to eliminate the Jewish religion. The archers are Juday and Maccabee and his brothers, who are they now? Bob. Am I to assume one is barak?

[22:08] <Delta-VHL> Bob, the Temple....I need clarification if I might ask for it?

[22:08] <skip-VHL372> 4amen called

[22:08] <Kathy-VHL> actually what do we have to come back to

[22:09] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Judah spell correction

[22:09] <HostBob> I personally do not believe teh "Abomination" spoken of is the Dome of the Rock

[22:09] <called_out-VHL> 10taking my family and doberman dog with me.

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[22:09] <Delta-VHL> (lol Called out!)

[22:09] <HostBob> What archers, My?

[22:09] <light2-VHL> The abomination is already in place the UN has the web page

[22:10] <HostBob> You don't have to ask permission to ask, Delta :)

[22:10] <light2-VHL> They want the world to worship this, and it is an abomination

[22:10] <called_out-VHL> 10I don't beleive it either Bob, I beleive the abomination will be on the new temple.

[22:10] <light2-VHL> The desolation comes from forsaking God

[22:10] <HostBob> yes, it is, but not THE

[22:10] <Bezalel-VHL> Light, do you have the URL for the religion summit. I can't find it.

[22:10] <Kathy-VHL> the anti christ has to stand in the temple and declare himself god

[22:10] <skip-VHL372> 4Well HE tore it down in a flash and rebuilt it in 3 days

[22:10] <HostBob> it's a person

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[22:10] <light2-VHL> Yes hold on BEZ

[22:10] <Delta-VHL> Well, the New Temple I read of in Revelation is the one in the New Jerusalem in the New Heaven and New Earth. Now, I know there is one before that. Where am I missing it?

[22:10] <Delta-VHL> In Ezekiel?

[22:11] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Ephriam as to a bow (9:13)

[22:11] <Kathy-VHL> Zechariah 1 delta

[22:11] <light2-VHL> http://www.millenniumpeacesummit.org/faithsframe.html

[22:11] <Bezalel-VHL> Thanks light

[22:11] <HostBob> My understanding is.. that the Temple in Ezekiel 40ff is the one from which Jesus will reign on the earth

[22:11] <light2-VHL> The UN along with the pope have a plan to globalize the world

[22:11] <Kathy-VHL> we were discussing that earlier in the chat

[22:11] <light2-VHL> It is all in place

[22:11] <HostBob> but... there may be another one prior to that, perhaps

[22:11] <Delta-VHL> Ok. I think we have the "trampoline" thing again

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[22:12] <light2-VHL> All they need to do is take over now

[22:12] <HostBob> boing boing

[22:12] <light2-VHL> http://www.millenniumpeacesummit.org/faithsframe.html

[22:12] <Delta-VHL> ROFL!

[22:12] <skip-VHL372> 4hi diane

[22:12] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Diane!

[22:12] <Diane-VHL> 14Goodevening All!

[22:12] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Diane

[22:12] <Delta-VHL> I am sorry I missed the first part!

[22:12] <HostBob> yes, Myshep, let me address that in a minute, ok?

[22:13] <light2-VHL> Here is a letter from the pope to the comittee of the UN to globalize

[22:13] <light2-VHL> http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_20000407_secretary-general-un_en.html

[22:13] <Diane-VHL> 14Thankks for the email Judy, As usuall I loved it :-)

[22:13] <Kathy-VHL> it was good discussion Delta you will have to be sure to read it tomorrow

[22:13] <Bezalel-VHL> Light, now have it loaded to favorites...think it bears watching

[22:13] <light2-VHL> Please read it carefully, they have a plan and your in it

[22:14] <Judy-VHL> 6No problem Diane! I want to be Barbie!

[22:14] <Judy-VHL> 6LOL

[22:14] <Diane-VHL> 14:-) ME too!!!lol

[22:14] <HostBob> MyShep has asked that we look at Zechariah 9

[22:14] <Delta-VHL> I will Kathy!

[22:14] <HostBob> must be a Zechariah night!

[22:14] <Judy-VHL> 6Hot flashes and all!

[22:14] <Delta-VHL> LOL good

[22:14] <light2-VHL> I was up till 4 am last night reading all the letters from the pope to ambassadors of Nations

[22:14] <skip-VHL372> 4welli am skipper :-)

[22:15] <light2-VHL> Israel is not the only ones being sold out

[22:15] <Delta-VHL> I am Delta.

[22:15] <light2-VHL> The whole world is being sold out

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[22:16] <skip-VHL372> 4and the buyer is satan

[22:16] <light2-VHL> Amen skip

[22:16] <HostBob> Zechariah 9:9 and following is an excellent example..

[22:16] <light2-VHL> There are more 2000 meetings this year and they all are on Globalization

[22:16] <HostBob> of single prophecy with many facets, that happen at various points in time

[22:16] <skip-VHL372> 4but YESHUA bought me years ago amen

[22:16] <HostBob> shall we look?

[22:17] <light2-VHL> Yes Bob

[22:17] <HostBob> the first is very familiar

[22:17] <skip-VHL372> 4ok

[22:17] <HostBob> "Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey." (Zechariah 9:9 NIV)

[22:17] <called_out-VHL> 10Yes Bob, is that when Jesus came the first time?

[22:17] <HostBob> who is that, and what event?

[22:17] <light2-VHL> First coming

[22:17] <HostBob> right-o, called out

[22:17] <light2-VHL> Into Jerusalem on donkeys back before Passover

[22:17] <HostBob> Palm Sunday, as it is popularly called

[22:17] <Kathy-VHL> christs entrance into Jeruslaem before the crusifixation

[22:18] <HostBob> right

[22:18] <HostBob> next verse...

[22:18] <HostBob> "I will take away the chariots from Ephraim and the war-horses from Jerusalem, and the battle bow will be broken. He will proclaim peace to the nations. His rule will extend from sea to sea and from the River to the ends of the earth." (Zechariah 9:10 NIV)

[22:18] <HostBob> no indication that this is a different time, but it is

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[22:18] <light2-VHL> Amen come Lord Jesus

[22:18] <HostBob> when there will be no more war

[22:19] <HostBob> and Jesus will reign over the whole world in peace

[22:19] <mike-VHL> amen

[22:19] <light2-VHL> But remember what the word says about the one whos coming is a lie and will simulate the coming of the Lord

[22:19] <light2-VHL> That has to happen first

[22:19] <light2-VHL> with all lieing signs and wonders

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[22:19] <light2-VHL> in them that love not the truth

[22:19] <HostBob> right.... but let's stick to Zech for now :)

[22:20] <light2-VHL> ok

[22:20] <HostBob> "As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit." (Zechariah 9:11 NIV) "Return to your fortress, O prisoners of hope; even now I announce that I will restore twice as much to you." (Zechariah 9:12 NIV)

[22:20] <Delta-VHL> (sorry, son hugged me goodnight and accidentally knocked me off line)

[22:20] <HostBob> :)

[22:20] <Delta-VHL> oops

[22:20] <light2-VHL> What a way to go Delta

[22:20] <HostBob> "blood of my covenant"

[22:20] <HostBob> "setting the prisoners free"

[22:21] <Delta-VHL> (thanks Light)

[22:21] <HostBob> "restoring twice as much to you"

[22:21] <Kathy-VHL> that is Christ

[22:21] <HostBob> right

[22:21] <skip-VHL372> 4thats ok delta I wish my son could give me a hug, but he's in Sicily, boohoo

[22:21] <HostBob> redemption, salvation, restoration

[22:21] <Delta-VHL> What is the waterless pit?

[22:21] <Delta-VHL> Aww, Hugs to Skip

[22:21] <HostBob> not sure? Sheol? Hell?

[22:21] <called_out-VHL> 10I wondered that too, Delta

[22:22] <Delta-VHL> Is there a literal waterless pit?

[22:22] <Kathy-VHL> thats what I think Bob sheol

[22:22] <HostBob> freeing the prisoners of hell?

[22:22] <HostBob> works for me :)

[22:22] <mysheperd-VHL> 4Your a God sent blessing Bob. That did it for tonight. Wonderful!! Amen. Amen:)

[22:22] <Kathy-VHL> the place where Jesus went for 3 days

[22:22] <skip-VHL372> 4SHALOM SHEPHERD

[22:23] <Kathy-VHL> after he was crusified

[22:23] <light2-VHL> Now Bob lets address the coming of the wicked one

[22:23] <called_out-VHL> 10Are there Israeli prisoners being held now.

[22:23] <light2-VHL> Because they may try to simulate it soon

[22:23] <Delta-VHL> Regardless, when I re-read it, it is promising hope in a totally hopeless situation

[22:23] <HostBob> Hold on, light, we aren't don yet :)

[22:23] <light2-VHL> Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

[22:23] <HostBob> yes, Delta

[22:23] <light2-VHL> ok sorry

[22:23] <HostBob> that's ok :)

[22:24] <skip-VHL372> 4ooops did you mean you were leaving SHEP?

[22:24] <HostBob> now the verse that Myshep asked about...

[22:24] <mysheperd-VHL> 4May God Bless and Keep you Always my church is always with Jesus, my lord and savior, Christ, the good sheperd of the flock.

[22:24] <HostBob> "I will bend Judah as I bend my bow and fill it with Ephraim. I will rouse your sons, O Zion, against your sons, O Greece, and make you like a warrior's sword." (Zechariah 9:13 NIV)

[22:24] <HostBob> "I will bend Judah as I bend my bow and fill it with Ephraim. I will rouse your sons, O Zion, against your sons, O Greece, and make you like a warrior's sword." (Zechariah 9:13 NIV)

[22:25] <HostBob> So..."Then the LORD will appear over them; his arrow will flash like lightning. The Sovereign LORD will sound the trumpet; he will march in the storms of the south," (Zechariah 9:14 NIV)

[22:25] <HostBob> now...

[22:25] <HostBob> verse 13 may be talking about the Macabees

[22:25] <Kathy-VHL> that says to me bob that God is going to put a fighting spirit in Israel

[22:25] <HostBob> yes, Kathy

[22:25] <HostBob> but you are right, Kathy...

[22:25] <Delta-VHL> Or the Arabs = Greece?

[22:25] <Delta-VHL> Oh, good Kathy!

[22:26] <HostBob> how about Europeans?

[22:26] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, the Waterless Pit prisoners....are the territories (which will be surrounded by PA holdings) having a drought?

[22:26] <HostBob> yes, Bez, interesting thought there

[22:26] <Delta-VHL> The Sea of Galilee?

[22:26] <Kathy-VHL> but that doesnt identify Christ like the other does

[22:27] <light2-VHL> Right now the PLO have all the water the need

[22:27] <mysheperd-VHL> 4delta. what is your answer?

[22:27] <Delta-VHL> hmmm, now I have to think! LOL

[22:27] <HostBob> OK - let's step back a bit.....

[22:27] <HostBob> and think about this...

[22:27] <mike-VHL> ok Bob

[22:27] <light2-VHL> they had 10 million dollar wells drilled by world bank funds

[22:27] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[22:27] <HostBob> all of these verses, together, one after anothers...

[22:27] <Bezalel-VHL> :-|

[22:27] <HostBob> talking about events at different times....

[22:27] <HostBob> but...

[22:28] <Kathy-VHL> who has a cross refference bible see if it makes reference to nt where it talks about Christ setting the prosnors free

[22:28] <HostBob> all part of the same picture, the same theme

[22:28] <HostBob> remember, Zechariah is seeing all of this

[22:28] <HostBob> as one picture, so to speak

[22:28] <dave-VHL> Is the antichrist here now?

[22:28] <HostBob> so.... let's go to school for a second...

[22:29] <HostBob> and write a "theme sentence" for that prophecy

[22:29] <HostBob> (ya didn't know I was going to put you to work!)

[22:29] <mike-VHL> lol

[22:29] <Delta-VHL> scrolling UP!

[22:29] <HostBob> This is important, I think... in the sense that...

[22:30] <HostBob> instead of always looking at specific individual situations in prophecy....

[22:30] <Kathy-VHL> exatly which scripture Bob

[22:30] <HostBob> we need to step back and see the bigger picture

[22:30] <HostBob> Zech 9:9-16

[22:30] <Delta-VHL> Hmm, Bob?

[22:30] <HostBob> I know, this is a toughie

[22:31] <Delta-VHL> Judah means "praise". What does "Ephraim" mean?

[22:31] <skip-VHL372> 4mine doesnt cross anything to NT

[22:31] <Kathy-VHL> it means that the Lord is going to return to rule over His people

[22:31] <HostBob> good, Kathy!

[22:31] <HostBob> what else?

[22:32] <light2-VHL> Wait Bob go back to verse 6 of that chapter

[22:32] <Kathy-VHL> after he puts a spirit of fighting in them

[22:32] <Delta-VHL> Praise is going to be a weapon....?

[22:32] <light2-VHL> who is the one they are talking of there

[22:32] <HostBob> yes, light! tell us

[22:32] <light2-VHL> The Anti Christ

[22:32] <light2-VHL> The Bastard

[22:32] <Kathy-VHL> Christ

[22:32] <HostBob> "I will cut off the pride of the Philistines." "I will cut off the pride of the Palestinians" perhaps?

[22:32] <light2-VHL> that is what they call him

[22:33] <HostBob> yes, Kathy

[22:33] <Delta-VHL> Yes, Bob

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[22:33] <skip-VHL372> 4hi spoc

[22:33] <light2-VHL> It says a bastard shall dwell in Asdod

[22:33] <Kathy-VHL> Christ is the one who was identified in the preceeding passage

[22:33] <light2-VHL> I don't think that means Christ

[22:33] <HostBob> Welcome, Spo

[22:34] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Mr.Spoc!

[22:34] <Delta-VHL> lol

[22:34] <Kathy-VHL> you have to thake to passage as a whole and not break it up

[22:34] <skip-VHL372> 4v6 referring to ISMAEL

[22:34] <HostBob> ok, anyone else want to submit a "theme statement"

[22:34] <HostBob> right, Kathy

[22:34] <HostBob> that's what we are trying to do here

[22:34] <Delta-VHL> Kathy, you are really doing good!

[22:34] <skip-VHL372> 4as bastard

[22:34] <dave-VHL> It seems to me that a little less time chatting and more time in the Word would help a lot

[22:34] <Kathy-VHL> lol Delta

[22:35] <light2-VHL> No Ismael had Abraham as a father

[22:35] <HostBob> Yes, Dave, we all need to do that :)

[22:35] <light2-VHL> But what of the Anti Christ

[22:35] <skip-VHL372> 4but not of his wife

[22:35] <Kathy-VHL> Yes

[22:35] <spoc-VHL> Hi guys...I've never done this before...so let me follow for a while...thanks

[22:35] <HostBob> Dave, what do you think of this passage? What is your "theme statement" for it?

[22:35] <Delta-VHL> Bob, what does Ephraim represent?

[22:36] <Kathy-VHL> the Land

[22:36] <Delta-VHL> Oh, you are welcome spoc! Enjoy and jump on in

[22:36] <HostBob> Spoc, sorry, I know ya jumped into the middle of a discussion :)

[22:36] <Delta-VHL> So, praise in the land....ok

[22:36] <Kathy-VHL> ????

[22:36] <Delta-VHL> Scrolling back up

[22:36] <skip-VHL372> 4lol

[22:36] <HostBob> Spoc, we are examining Zechariah 9:9fff

[22:36] <Kathy-VHL> I am not sure Delta I was just submitting a statement

[22:37] <spoc-VHL> Thanks..Please go on..

[22:37] <Delta-VHL> Bob?

[22:37] <HostBob> Here is my statement:

[22:37] <Kathy-VHL> Does it mean Land Bob

[22:37] <Delta-VHL> This seems to have shades of Jericho in it.....a Divine victory?

[22:38] <Delta-VHL> Hopeless but through God a Victory for Him

[22:38] <light2-VHL> verse 16 really is the summary for the chapter

[22:38] <Delta-VHL> Listening to Bob

[22:38] <HostBob> "The King of Jerusalem appears, to rule the nations and bring peace, and to defend and save His people, to their great joy!"

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[22:38] <Delta-VHL> Oh gee, you wanted an EASY answer?

[22:38] <Delta-VHL> LOL

[22:38] <HostBob> :)

[22:39] <HostBob> The big picture, Delta :)

[22:39] <Delta-VHL> Yeah. sigh. :->:-O

[22:39] <light2-VHL> And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.

[22:40] <Delta-VHL> It is pretty awesome, though,

[22:40] <skip-VHL372> 4amen

[22:40] <HostBob> Amen - a beautiful picture, Light

[22:41] <HostBob> "The LORD their God will save them on that day as the flock of his people. They will sparkle in his land like jewels in a crown." (Zechariah 9:16 NIV)

[22:41] <Delta-VHL> It sounds like a proud Father of His Children, doesn't it?

[22:42] <Delta-VHL> Wow

[22:42] <Bezalel-VHL> The jewels of Aaron's breastpiece

[22:42] <light2-VHL> Amen Oh Lord come and save and deliever us

[22:42] <HostBob> Yes, and it's all His doing

[22:42] <HostBob> Yes, Come!

[22:42] <HostBob> Hosanna!

[22:42] <called_out-VHL> 10Amen

[22:42] <HostBob> HOSANNA!!!

[22:42] <Bezalel-VHL> Light, don't you want to be there for all of this?

[22:42] <Delta-VHL> I can almost see the people praising God as this war is being won!

[22:42] <Kathy-VHL> its going to be glorious to see

[22:43] <HostBob> Yes!!!

[22:43] <Delta-VHL> Ok, Bob....can we have a field trip?

[22:43] <HostBob> It's already arranged, Delta :)

[22:43] <light2-VHL> Well I want to come with him from the sky I think

[22:43] <light2-VHL> Ha Ha

[22:43] <HostBob> the biggest field trip :)

[22:43] <Delta-VHL> I want to praise Him from here....see His deliverence of His deliverance!

[22:43] <light2-VHL> You know coming with all the saints with Him

[22:44] <Delta-VHL> Well, I want to see it in Israel....lol

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[22:44] <HostBob> "All you people of the world, you who live on the earth, when a banner is raised on the mountains, you will see it, and when a trumpet sounds, you will hear it." (Isaiah 18:3 NIV)

[22:44] <light2-VHL> But I am ready to die for Him now, I hope I dont act like Peter, poor Peter, he wanted to do good

[22:44] <Bezalel-VHL> Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- 1 Corinthians 15:51

[22:44] <HostBob> "You will see it with your own eyes and say, 'Great is the LORD--even beyond the borders of Israel!'" (Malachi 1:5 NIV)

[22:45] <Delta-VHL> Blow the shofar LOUD!

[22:45] <called_out-VHL> 10I'll fly away..Praise ye the LORD

[22:45] <light2-VHL> Amen to that He is Great

[22:45] <Delta-VHL> Yes, yes yes!

[22:45] <Delta-VHL> Dancing in my chair!

[22:45] <HostBob> Yes!

[22:45] <Bezalel-VHL> Now this is HOT chat!

[22:45] <called_out-VHL> 10On shouting ground.

[22:45] <dovecry-VHL> Shalom all. :-) I agree, I am ready. Lord Come Quickly:-) Amen!

[22:46] <Kathy-VHL> I guess yall know how that will be possible for everyone to see it at ondce

[22:46] <called_out-VHL> 10You just get here Dove?

[22:46] <dave-VHL> Isn't the mark of the beast in the mind?

[22:46] <called_out-VHL> 10How will it be possible Kathy?

[22:46] <Kathy-VHL> telivision

[22:46] <skip-VHL372> 4hand or forehead

[22:47] <Bezalel-VHL> Dave, only if you let it get there....the forehead (the mind) and right hand (reaching for worldly things)

[22:47] <Kathy-VHL> yall over look my spelling tonight I cant half see tonight

[22:47] <called_out-VHL> 10Oh sure!! also, they said they are going to have a live telecast from the All Faith Summit.

[22:47] <HostBob> "Look! He is coming with the clouds; every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and on his account all the tribes of the earth will wail. So it is to be. Amen." (Revelation 1:7 NRSV)

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[22:48] <called_out-VHL> 10in August - 28th - 30th.

[22:48] <dovecry-VHL> Hi! Yes, Bless You all. Have, not to change the subject, but does everyone Know the good news? Jesus Loves Us and He is coming again. :-) Hi Bob Love you , and Love you all :-)

[22:48] <light2-VHL> Called out??

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[22:48] <HostBob> HI Dovecry!!

[22:48] <skip-VHL372> 4hi jr

[22:49] <HostBob> Welcome Jr!

[22:49] <jr-VHL> 3:-)hello

[22:49] <light2-VHL> Now Bob what about the false coming that is faked

[22:49] <Kathy-VHL> You know I think there has to be some fast moving because as I undertand scripture this is all the very beginning of the Trib

[22:49] <HostBob> Well, folks, I'm outta here...

[22:49] <light2-VHL> Can we post those verses

[22:49] <called_out-VHL> 10Yes, light, they are going to have a live telecast from the summit from the UN in August. To tell the world the good news that all the faiths have come together for world pease.

[22:49] <HostBob> please continue chatting - I know you all have a lot to share :)

[22:49] <light2-VHL> I think the Pope has something up his sleeve

[22:50] <Kathy-VHL> good night Bob Blessings and thanks for a great chat evening

[22:50] <light2-VHL> maybe some kind of incarnation

[22:50] <HostBob> I've enjoyed it tonight - thanks for sharing the Word of God :)

[22:50] <skip-VHL372> 4SHALOM BOB G_D BLESS YOU & YOURS

[22:50] <Bezalel-VHL> Thanks, Bob for tonight and Monday also!

[22:50] <HostBob> Shalom :)

[22:50] <light2-VHL> Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

[22:50] <called_out-VHL> 10Good Night Bob, God Bless.

[22:50] <jr-VHL> 3bye Bob

[22:50] <light2-VHL> And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

[22:50] <HostBob> Night everyone!!

[22:50] <jr-VHL> 3didn't mean to run you off

[22:50] <light2-VHL> That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[22:51] <dovecry-VHL> Forgive me but I can't stay, but I wanted to say to all that I love you :-) I will do my best to get back before you close God Bless you Bob :-)

[22:51] <light2-VHL> II Th 2:9-12

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[22:51] <skip-VHL372> 4hurry back DOVE

[22:51] <light2-VHL> Night and God Bless Dove cry

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