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*** Log file opened: 6/12/00 7:38:07 PM [19:38] <HostBob> Hi Tim, and Grizz! [19:38] light2-VHL [~light2-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:38] <HonoringGod-VHL> right.... [19:38] <HostBob> How are you guys doing tonight? [19:38] <grizz-VHL> shalom bob where is the crown [19:38] <HostBob> Hi Light! [19:38] <light2-VHL> Hello [19:38] <HonoringGod-VHL> good, Hot though- [19:38] <grizz-VHL> hi light [19:38] <HostBob> Thanks for the articles you forwarded, light :) [19:38] <light2-VHL> Can you believe them?? [19:39] <HostBob> Yes, I can, actually [19:39] <light2-VHL> I am still in shock [19:39] <HonoringGod-VHL> it's in the mid 80's right now, I think [19:39] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hi light, good to see you [19:39] <light2-VHL> I know [19:39] <light2-VHL> God bless you all [19:39] <HostBob> It is shocking, yes, but the world is in headlong rebellion against the Lord [19:39] <HostBob> rushing to judgment, as the expression goes [19:40] <light2-VHL> I don't think anyone was really aware [19:40] <light2-VHL> So I hope the news spreads fast [19:40] <HonoringGod-VHL> I don't kow if It is just my perseption but I notice that I get really stern looks and poor treatment when I go to stores ,when I whare my hat that says (Gods PropertyXXX) [19:40] <grizz-VHL> Bob did you give us a reading assinment for tonight;-) [19:40] <HostBob> I was just reading from Isaiah, and was thoroughly blessed - isn't the news of the Lord's victory exciting! [19:41] <HostBob> :) No, Grizz, I neglected to do that :) [19:41] <HonoringGod-VHL> YES it IS [19:41] <light2-VHL> Yes , Thank God He is Victor [19:41] <HonoringGod-VHL> light, what are you refering to , being aware of what? [19:42] <light2-VHL> I know honor no one likes to even mention Gods name anymore, unless it is profanity [19:42] <grizz-VHL> thats ok i just checked in without looking [19:42] <HostBob> How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news, who proclaim peace, who bring good tidings, who proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, "Your God reigns!" (Isaiah 52:7 NIV) [19:42] <light2-VHL> Well Honor the UN is calling for a World Peace Meeting of all Religious Leaders [19:42] <HostBob> Listen! Your watchmen lift up their voices; together they shout for joy. When the LORD returns to Zion, they will see it with their own eyes. (Isaiah 52:8 NIV) [19:43] <grizz-VHL> PRAISE GOD HALLEAU AMEN [19:43] <light2-VHL> But you won't believe what religions they are putting together [19:43] <HostBob> Burst into songs of joy together, you ruins of Jerusalem, for the LORD has comforted his people, he has redeemed Jerusalem. (Isaiah 52:9 NIV) [19:43] <light2-VHL> I will list site and you can see for yourself [19:43] <HonoringGod-VHL> Bob... did you get a chance to meet me on our family web site yet? in case you haven't here is the URL Home.pacbell.net/tccopela [19:43] <HonoringGod-VHL> don't use www [19:43] <HostBob> The LORD will lay bare his holy arm in the sight of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God. (Isaiah 52:10 NIV) [19:43] <HostBob> I tried last time Tim, didn't work - I'll try again :) [19:44] <HostBob> Isn't that great stuff from Isaiah! Hallelujah!!!!!!! [19:44] <HonoringGod-VHL> ok [19:44] <light2-VHL> http://www.millenniumpeacesummit.org/faithsframe.html [19:44] <HonoringGod-VHL> yes, Thanks Bob [19:44] <HonoringGod-VHL> thanks, Light [19:44] <light2-VHL> Bob I feel like a watchman [19:44] <light2-VHL> On the wall [19:45] <light2-VHL> To warn [19:45] AJTheRev-VHL [~AJTheRev-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:45] <HostBob> Yes, we are watchmen, eagerly looking for the coming of the Lord and the redemption of Jerusalem [19:45] <HostBob> Welcome, Rev [19:45] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6hey gang [19:45] <light2-VHL> The world will fall into GROSS DARKNESS with the signing of this Treaty [19:46] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hi Rev, Got your e-mail thank you [19:46] Judy-VHL [~Judy-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:46] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6figured I would stop in before going on to the other room [19:46] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6ya where ya been [19:46] <Judy-VHL> Hi Everyone. AJ, thanks for the e mail. [19:46] <grizz-VHL> SHALOM REV [19:46] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hi Judy- [19:46] <HostBob> Great picture, Tim! Nice looking family! [19:46] <Judy-VHL> Hi Light. [19:46] <light2-VHL> I guess God thought it best to rid the world of Assad, before he could do anymore damage [19:46] <HostBob> Shalom Judy :) [19:47] <light2-VHL> Hi Judy [19:47] <Judy-VHL> Hi [19:47] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6Hey Judy sorry it was so long [19:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2:-)Thank you Bob [19:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Very blessed [19:47] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6got a little carried away [19:47] <Judy-VHL> Not long at all. I like long letters! [19:47] <grizz-VHL> but light dont you think his kid will fallow in his footsteps [19:47] <HostBob> Yes, Assad has gone to meet His maker, and guess who he met? The God of ISRAEL!!!! [19:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Amen!! [19:48] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6amen BOB [19:48] <light2-VHL> Boy I would hate to be in his shoes [19:48] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2AJ, I diden't realize you were on every night on the other chat site [19:48] <HostBob> I was reading this in Isaiah... about not being afraid of men.... [19:48] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6ya [19:48] <grizz-VHL> wonder what is going through his mind:-O [19:48] <HostBob> "I, even I, am he who comforts you. Who are you that you fear mortal men, the sons of men, who are but grass, that you forget the LORD your Maker, who stretched out the heavens and laid the foundations of the earth, that you live in constant terror every day because of the wrath of the oppressor, who is bent on destruction? For where is the wrath of the oppressor? (Isaiah 51:12-13 NIV) [19:49] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6need to be [19:49] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Probably-oooops [19:49] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6Amen Bob [19:49] <HostBob> Grizz, I can tell you - screams of agony from the flames, the retribution for all of the people he had murdered and oppressed [19:49] <light2-VHL> Judy did you get my note on what happened the other nite?? [19:49] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2very beautiful [19:50] <Judy-VHL> Yes, I did. [19:50] <grizz-VHL> YES YES AMEN [19:50] <Judy-VHL> I just e mailed you another item on the summit meeting. [19:50] <Judy-VHL> I was hoping you could get to it. [19:50] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6light I tryed to get in that millenium site no go for me [19:51] Bezalel-VHL [~Bezalel-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:51] <HostBob> Tonight we will talk a lot about the situation in Syria now that Assad has gone to his "reward" [19:51] <light2-VHL> Did you get the letter I sent for you to pass along to whoever? [19:51] <Judy-VHL> Yes I did, thanks. [19:51] <light2-VHL> I know and my days are flying here [19:51] <Judy-VHL> Sent out to some already. [19:52] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6Reward Bob? [19:52] <HostBob> We will discuss what are the likely scenarios for the new President, Bashar Assad [19:52] Gran-VHL [~Gran-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:52] <HostBob> reward in quotes - recompense [19:52] <Gran-VHL> Hi group a little prob getting in [19:52] <HostBob> Welcome, Gran, and Bezalel [19:52] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Sounds like a good topic [19:52] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6me too gran [19:53] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Hi Gran, [19:53] <Judy-VHL> The news is that now Bashar's uncle is going to fight him for power. [19:53] <Bezalel-VHL> Hello all [19:53] <grizz-VHL> shalom gran love you [19:53] <Gran-VHL> 5;-) Bezale is new to me dear what does that mean? [19:53] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2nice to see everyone >GOD Bless each of you< [19:53] <HostBob> Yes, Judy... He is in exile in Spain or France [19:53] <HostBob> the uncle Rifaat [19:53] <HostBob> since the early 80s I believe [19:54] <HostBob> And he has some supporters in Syria... but.... [19:54] <Bezalel-VHL> He was the technician who built the first Tabernacle in the Desert [19:54] <light2-VHL> Bob post Zac. 12:6 [19:54] <Judy-VHL> Wasn't he exiled because he tried to seize control before? [19:54] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Oh I C shalom Bezalel [19:54] <Bezalel-VHL> Shalom Gran [19:54] <HostBob> last fall the Syrian "Republican Guard" cracked down on Rifaats supporters and killed hundreds of them [19:54] <Gran-VHL> 5:) honor Hi this evening [19:54] <Gran-VHL> 5grizz my man howdee [19:54] <AJTheRev-VHL> 6bye folks must move over to other room for now God Bless [19:55] <HostBob> "On that day I will make the leaders of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume right and left all the surrounding peoples, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place. (Zechariah 12:6 NIV) [19:55] <Gran-VHL> 5Rev good eveining [19:55] <Judy-VHL> 7Bye AJ [19:55] <HostBob> Yes, Judy [19:55] <HostBob> Nice family, huh? :) [19:56] *** Disconnected *** *** Log file closed: 6/12/00 7:56:13 PM
*** Log file opened: 6/12/00 7:56:55 PM [19:57] <called_out-VHL> 510Shalom to all [19:57] <Judy-VHL> 7He sounds benign......but one never knows. [19:57] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, read your article in Prophecy about Damascus mourning. Could it be that they will mourn when they destroy themselves? [19:57] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes they made a special deal to have him succed his father [19:57] <tim-VHL> 3Hi!light2 [19:57] <HostBob> Yes, Judy, he has been characterized as shy, modest, intellectual [19:57] <HostBob> destroy themselves, Bez? [19:57] <Judy-VHL> 7Hello called_out [19:58] <called_out-VHL> 10:-)hi Judy [19:58] <Bezalel-VHL> Through the infighting for power? [19:58] <Gran-VHL> 5:) I sure do hope he does not revert to the dicator his father was [19:58] <HostBob> Some are questioning whether Bashar has the toughness to hold to power in a country like Syria [19:58] <HostBob> could be, Bezalel [19:58] Robby_s_-VHL [~Robby_s_-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:58] <Judy-VHL> 7I bet his uncle does. [19:58] <Judy-VHL> 7If he gets in. [19:58] <HostBob> He and his father are from a minority clan called Alawite [19:58] <HostBob> yes, Judy, probably [19:59] <HostBob> Bashar seems to have much popular support at the moment, and also appears to have the support of the military [19:59] <HostBob> Papa Assad only held power by brutalizing and eleminating all potential threats to his power [19:59] *** Disconnected *** *** Log file closed: 6/12/00 7:59:53 PM
*** Log file opened: 6/12/00 8:00:20 PM [20:00] <Judy-VHL> 7Who knows Tim. I am not sure. [20:00] <light2-VHL> See what role UN is trying to take??? [20:00] <Rich-VHL> hello all [20:00] <HostBob> Regarding the "peace process" with Israel.... [20:01] <Judy-VHL> 7I look, I suppose for a hard nosed individual where Israel is concerned, because I know that this will culminate in war. [20:01] <called_out-VHL> 10:-)Hi Rich [20:01] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Yes I read about that what is the UN up to I wonder [20:01] <Judy-VHL> 7Hi Rich. [20:01] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2does this EU take over fully when anti christ makes himself known, or ? [20:01] <HostBob> Hafez Assad was a very obstinate, hard nosed person, not one to compromise [20:01] <Gran-VHL> 5:0 rich and robby shalom [20:01] cher-VHL [~cher-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:02] <Rich-VHL> 2It is a special night when we can all get together, isn't it [20:02] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2yes [20:02] <Judy-VHL> 7Hi Robby. [20:02] <light2-VHL> Amen [20:02] <light2-VHL> Hello to cher [20:02] <Gran-VHL> 5:0 yes rich amen to that [20:02] <HostBob> But... because of his iron grip on Syria, Hafez didn't need to worry about popular reaction of making "peace" with Israel [20:02] <Rich-VHL> 2hello Robby [20:02] <Judy-VHL> 7When the antichrist makes himself known, HE takes over Tim. [20:02] <Robby_s_-VHL> Hello all. I'm really happy to be here with you. [20:02] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Assad is who Bob can't remember all the names [20:03] <Judy-VHL> 7Glad you could join us. [20:03] <Bezalel-VHL> So, are you saying Bashar will need to hardline the "peace process?" Bob [20:03] <HostBob> Bashar, however, does not not have that kind of support, so he will be much more tentative, more concerned about angering hard line Muslims [20:03] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes enter in with the family robby [20:03] <HostBob> Yes, Bez [20:03] <Judy-VHL> 7Hafez al Assad. Guy who just died. [20:03] <HostBob> Bashar Assad, his son [20:03] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2brb [20:03] <HostBob> Rifaat Assad, the uncle in exile who wants to take over power [20:03] cher-VHL [~cher-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [20:04] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Oh O K I wondered [20:04] <Bezalel-VHL> And Clinton's undying desire to obtain his legacy in history will probably play into this somehow. [20:04] <light2-VHL> He is so young, and you know how young rulers are, not very wise sometimes [20:04] <Rich-VHL> 2why is rifaat in exile Bob [20:04] <Gran-VHL> 5:) that name I remembered bob but thanks [20:04] <HostBob> Yes, light, I was thinking also.. he might not be quite as savvy in dealing with Hezbollah as papa was [20:04] Terri-VHL [~Terri-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:05] <HostBob> Rich, he tried to depose his brother back in 1983 I believe it was [20:05] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Refaat tryed a coop some years ago [20:05] <Bezalel-VHL> Will he buy off Hezabollah? [20:05] the_lord_lives-VHL [~the_lord_lives-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:05] <light2-VHL> Well you know there is no honor among theives, so if it does not work out they will just do him in [20:05] <Rich-VHL> 2which of the two evils would be better for Israel [20:05] <HostBob> If Bashar does not "balance" Hezbollah, if he gives them too much slack inadvertently, then that could lead Israel and Syria to war [20:05] <Judy-VHL> 7Even though Hafez was ruthless, I shudder when I think where he is right now. I can't help feeling bad for those who were too stupid to follow the Truth. [20:05] sugy-VHL [~sugy-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:06] <light2-VHL> Close knit family there huh Bob [20:06] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes some countries are like that if he come around kill him [20:06] dotk-VHL [~dotk-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:06] <HostBob> because Israel has given notice that they hold Syria accountable [20:06] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2ok [20:06] yiayia-VHL [~yiayia-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:06] <HostBob> yeah light [20:06] <HostBob> Welcome, Sugy, Dot, Yia! [20:06] <Gran-VHL> 5:) amen Judy [20:06] <sugy-VHL> 12Thanks Bob...Hello everyone [20:06] <yiayia-VHL> Shalom Bob!!! Good to see everyone! Hi Grizz [20:06] <Gran-VHL> 5:) shalom sugy, dot, yia glad you got here [20:06] <Judy-VHL> 7Thanks Gran. Our hearts hurt over the lost. [20:06] <dotk-VHL> Thanks hello everyone [20:07] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2hello,yiaayia [20:07] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2hi,dot [20:07] <light2-VHL> For all the new comers in the room, check out the UNs One World Religion ............ [20:07] <grizz-VHL> hi yiayia GOD bless [20:07] <sugy-VHL> 12Hi Gran. How are you tonight? [20:07] <yiayia-VHL> Gran, so good to see you! You too Honoring! [20:07] <light2-VHL> http://www.millenniumpeacesummit.org/faithsframe.html [20:07] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes Judy I have some of those of my own painful subject [20:07] christy-VHL [~christy-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:07] <the_lord_lives-VHL> This is my first time. Am I doing this right? If so,I feel honored to be involved in this. And Hi to everyone. [20:07] <HostBob> A voice says, "Cry out." And I said, "What shall I cry?" "All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field. The grass withers and the flowers fall, because the breath of the LORD blows on them. Surely the people are grass. The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever." (Isaiah 40:7-8 NIV) [20:07] <light2-VHL> Amen [20:07] <Judy-VHL> 7Some of my family members are knuckleheads, too, Gran. [20:07] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Hi,the_ [20:07] <HostBob> Lives, you are doing just fine! Welcome! [20:08] <Rich-VHL> 2the u.n. has a religion light 2 [20:08] <called_out-VHL> 10Did you all hear about the to nation stock market deal? [20:08] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2yes, it seems your doing fine,LOL [20:08] <HostBob> We are happy to see all newcomers join us! [20:08] <Judy-VHL> 7Welcome the_Lord_lives [20:08] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2called,nope..tellus [20:08] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi the Lord Lives [20:08] <HostBob> And we are looking forward to your comments and insights :) [20:08] <HostBob> Or you can just sit and watch :) [20:08] <Rich-VHL> 2Amen Judy [20:08] <Judy-VHL> 7Combining Stock markets, callet out? [20:09] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2called, whatnabout thenstock mark [20:09] <light2-VHL> Yes 10 to Join Global Stockmarket?? [20:09] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Christy & lives shalom [20:09] <Judy-VHL> 7LIGHT, DID YOU SAY "10"? [20:09] <christy-VHL> 5Hello to all [20:09] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2called out? [20:09] <Judy-VHL> 7Hmmmmm [20:09] <light2-VHL> That what the article said [20:09] <Judy-VHL> 7Hi Christy. [20:10] cavenewt-VHL [~cavenewt-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:10] <Judy-VHL> 7Isn't that weird though. I guess I am thinking of the 10 rulers supporting the antichrist. [20:10] <HostBob> Welcome, Cave! [20:10] <Gran-VHL> 5:) light you get some of the most interesting information [20:10] <Judy-VHL> 7Hi Cave. [20:10] <HostBob> Or do you go by "newt"? :) [20:10] <christy-VHL> 5host bob...what do you think will be the result of the death of Assad [20:10] <called_out-VHL> 10Sounds like more of the One World Gov and Economy to me. Can you imagine what it will be like when they control billions of dollars? This is so exciting. [20:10] <cavenewt-VHL> thank you [20:10] <cavenewt-VHL> either or [20:10] <light2-VHL> God has been sending it my way Gran [20:11] <HostBob> Christy, it will in general lead to more instability in Syria... [20:11] <Gran-VHL> 5:)cave shalom [20:11] <Rich-VHL> 2Bob how long will it be before the syrian crises is over and they have a leader [20:11] <the_lord_lives-VHL> I need some help. I received a "free psychic reading" today. That bothers me so much. So I actually sent them a message regarding false prophets and what the Lord has said about end of the ages. I get so upset everytime they call my home or cut into my internet. Does everyone else feel that same way? I keep asking them where they get the idea that our Lord speaks only to them, anyway. [20:11] <HostBob> and increase the chances of war with Israel [20:11] <cavenewt-VHL> peace gran [20:11] <light2-VHL> I ask Him to show me what is going on , so I can watch and be ready [20:11] dpe-VHL [~dpe-VHL@proxy13.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:11] <grizz-VHL> got to go guys must get up 5 hr for work love all you in the name ofour LORD GOD BLESS AND IM GONE;-):->:-):-* [20:11] <HostBob> See ya Grizee :) [20:11] grizz-VHL [~grizz-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (grizz-VHL has left the room) [20:11] <Judy-VHL> 7I don't click on that stuff, the lord lives. [20:11] <Rich-VHL> 2see ya grizz [20:11] <light2-VHL> Night Grizz, God Keep You [20:11] <yiayia-VHL> Shalom Griz......I'll miss 'ya! [20:11] <called_out-VHL> 10Good night Grizz [20:11] <Judy-VHL> 7They won't listen to you. [20:11] RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL [~RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:12] <Gran-VHL> 5:) amen cave God Bless you [20:12] <HostBob> Rich... most observers think it will take a while for Bashar to consolidate power [20:12] cavenewt-VHL [~cavenewt-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (cavenewt-VHL has left the room) [20:12] <Bezalel-VHL> I have to go to a grandson's baseball game. Will return when done.... [20:12] <RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL> SHALOM ALL.... [20:12] <HostBob> in the meantime, lots of things can happen [20:12] <Gran-VHL> 5:) griss god bless you too [20:12] <HostBob> Welcome Ruach [20:12] <HostBob> See ya Bez!!! [20:12] <Judy-VHL> 7Hello to all the newcomers! [20:12] <yiayia-VHL> Bye Bez! [20:12] <called_out-VHL> 10What kinds of things? Bob [20:12] <Gran-VHL> 5:) God bless Bezale [20:12] Bezalel-VHL [~Bezalel-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Bezalel-VHL has left the room) [20:12] <RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL> TODAH BOB [20:12] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Ruach shalom [20:13] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2someone asked me the other day why am I keeping watch for things I personally can't do anything about [20:13] <HostBob> Calledout.... for Israel, the most critical is Hezbollah in Lebanon... [20:13] <yiayia-VHL> Shalom Ruach.....tell me about your name! [20:13] <light2-VHL> Because you can Pray , Pray , Pray [20:13] malachi-VHL [~malachi-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:13] <HostBob> Hafez Assad had tightly controlled the extent to which they were allowed to harass and attack Israel [20:13] <light2-VHL> Tell them that Honor [20:13] <the_lord_lives-VHL> Good night Grizz. And Judy, I realize I should not, but it was one of those times when I just had to say something to them about the fact that God speaks to all men and that we will each answer only to Him in the end. Do I see this right as they are just false prophets?? [20:13] <RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL> SO WHAT IS THE PROPHECY ABOUT THIS EVENING? [20:13] dpe-VHL [~dpe-VHL@proxy13.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (dpe-VHL has left the room) [20:13] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2right, thats what I said too [20:13] <HostBob> Bashar may not have as good of a handle on that situation [20:14] <HostBob> Ruach, talking about the implications of the death of Assad [20:14] <Gran-VHL> 5:) this room is moving so fast that I did not see who is having problems with Phsicics. [20:14] HonoringGod-VHL [~HonoringGod-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (HonoringGod-VHL has left the room) [20:14] <HostBob> Hello, Malachi [20:14] <RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL> And what is the take on the prophetic implications of his death? [20:14] <the_lord_lives-VHL> Gran, I agree. I'm the one with the psychic problems. But my screen is scrolling so fast I can't keep up too well. [20:15] <Gran-VHL> 5Oh lives it was you. You did good to speak up like that [20:15] <christy-VHL> 5please explain why Israel will give up land for peace when there are absolutely no guarantees of peace [20:15] <HostBob> If Bashar allows Hezbollah too much slack, or if he underestimages Israels resolve now that they are out Lebanon, the situation could quickly escalate to war [20:15] <christy-VHL> 5I cannot understand why they would even consider giving up their land [20:15] HonoringGod-VHL [~HonoringGod-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:15] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Christy that is what we are all trying to figure out [20:15] <HostBob> Christy, that is a hard one to understand [20:15] <Rich-VHL> 2because of world pressure Christy [20:15] <HonoringGod-VHL> bumped my keyboard [20:15] Terri-VHL [~Terri-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Terri-VHL has left the room) [20:16] <RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL> We all need to keep in mind that the greater percentage of Israel's are not the least bit aware of their heritage or the Divine Inheritance... [20:16] <yiayia-VHL> Bashar is supposed to be a kinder ruler than his father. How does that play, Bob? [20:16] <christy-VHL> 5such a tiny piece of land anyway... [20:16] <Rich-VHL> 2the world doesn't want there to be an Israel [20:16] <HostBob> Ultimate, we who have examined Bible prophecy believe that a war with Syria is inevitable [20:16] <Gran-VHL> 5:) lives did that pycic stuff just appear one day or what? [20:16] <the_lord_lives-VHL> Maybe I'm in slow-mo. I really am now up on everything going on in Israel right now. Help. [20:16] <sugy-VHL> 12I agree with Gran, lives...you did good to speak out [20:17] <HonoringGod-VHL> So what do you think the bottom line is going to be Bob? will syria attack Isreal reasonably soon, or will the palistinians do somthing? [20:17] <HostBob> Yia, it may mean he is not tough enough to hold onto power in an autocratic state like Syria [20:17] <HostBob> his father ruled for 30 years by brutality and oppression [20:17] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2:-) [20:17] <yiayia-VHL> So can they overthrow him and get another cut throat in there? [20:17] <RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL> Now, not being truly aware of this divine inheritance they are in a mindset which lacks the light of the L-rd and they move through this peace process believing that they can achieve peace through human efforts.. [20:17] Jerry-VHL [~Jerry-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:17] tim-VHL [~tim-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (tim-VHL has left the room) [20:17] <the_lord_lives-VHL> Gran and sugy, yeah just showed up today. But I am constantly getting phone calls on my home phone offering that junky free stuff. [20:17] <HostBob> Perhaps, Yia [20:18] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Did anyone see Clintons reaction when he found out about this guys death, ? [20:18] <HostBob> Welcome, Jerry [20:18] <RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL> Well Shalom Jerry.... [20:18] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2he looked floored [20:18] <yiayia-VHL> HMMMMM, diversion to keep the Israelis off guard? [20:18] <Gran-VHL> 5:) well lives all you can do is report them or just hang up maybe they will get the message [20:18] <HostBob> He's a good actor, Tim - Assad has been near death for a few months [20:18] <Judy-VHL> 7Hello Jerry. [20:18] <HostBob> had been [20:18] <called_out-VHL> 10Yes, it is just the time that is a question [20:19] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom to all- I am new to this board. Excited to be here but new to chats. Be patient with me. [20:19] <christy-VHL> 5I agree about the acting Bob [20:19] <Rich-VHL> 2hi Jerry [20:19] <christy-VHL> 5sure thing jerry...glad you are here [20:19] <HostBob> Glad you are hear, Jerry! Sit back and enjoy! [20:19] <yiayia-VHL> Shalom Jerry...... [20:19] <RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL> What a shame that Ben Netanyahu is no longer on the scence...He was of course the Son of Strength... [20:19] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Hi jerry [20:19] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Jerry we were all new at one time we get newbys regularly shalom [20:19] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2welcome to all the newbies [20:19] <sugy-VHL> 12No, lives....you can witness to them! [20:19] <HostBob> Ruach, he may not be all the way "off the scene" yet [20:19] <yiayia-VHL> I agree Ruach.....Bibi needs to be back! [20:19] <HostBob> Barak's coalition is extremely flimsly [20:20] <RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL> Heard something about him making a second appearance...but who knows....time will tell... [20:20] <sugy-VHL> 12they are souls just waiting to be saved... [20:20] <HostBob> in fact, some believe that it has already effectively crumbled with the vote in the Knesset [20:20] <the_lord_lives-VHL> Hi Jerry, I'm new too but everybody is wonderful and it is so great to be chatting with others who believe the same thing. And sugy, thanks for that. I keep thinking that is what I am doing when I have an opportunity, but I need to hear it some times. [20:20] <Gran-VHL> 5:0 yes sugy but after a while if they won't listen [20:20] <yiayia-VHL> Maybe Sharon will step in and hold the fort until Bibi gets back in.l [20:20] <HostBob> Could be, Ruach [20:20] <RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL> there is really no solid foundation to Barak's coalition... [20:20] <Jerry-VHL> I recently read a article that stated that he considering a come back. I hope so. [20:20] Kathy-VHL [~Kathy-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:20] <HostBob> Stan, the VHL editor in Jerusalem, thinks Bibi may come back [20:21] <HostBob> Stan sends his fond regards to you all, by the way [20:21] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2is there any chance Barak will be unable to keep control in Israel? Is there someone else to succeed him? [20:21] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Hey lives maybe you should put a gospel message on your answring machine [20:21] <RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL> One must really be on the inside track to understand the hankering's of the gov't...they cried early elections with BiBi...all designed to manipulate.... [20:21] <Gran-VHL> 5:) and then listen [20:21] <yiayia-VHL> Bob, I pray that he does. Glad to hear Stan is doing well! He's in our prayers! [20:21] <sugy-VHL> 12If they won't listen...or if they start to confuse you....shake the dust from your feet and move on..... [20:21] <HostBob> Stan's wife is due any day now! [20:21] <RUACH-HAKODESH-VHL> but,,,,we can't forget to continue to pray.... [20:22] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Oh Bob thats great did n't know that [20:22] <HostBob> I hope it was ok to disclose that :) [20:23] <HostBob> Other events in the news - more digging by the Palestinians on the Temple Mount [20:23] *** Disconnected *** *** Log file closed: 6/12/00 8:23:32 PM
*** Log file opened: 6/12/00 9:01:42 PM [21:01] <ChristianGabriel-VHL> 7Ok, i believe That yes, we are Strengthened Through some of our weaknesses, But do you believe when we think we have Done all could do to resist temptation, But fail anyhow..Do you believe we Lose Ground that has already been Gained [21:01] <ChristianGabriel-VHL> 7Anyone [21:01] <light2-VHL> saved [21:01] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2ok, so as we study prophecy and get very excited about Jesus ...most people who have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior don't need to go to the hight level of ...lets say Jesus Freak [21:01] <HostBob> I got tossed out :) [21:02] <ChristianGabriel-VHL> 7I know its Not Prophecy, forgive me [21:02] <peacemaker1-VHL> Bob has there been any rumors that there might be opposition to assads son? [21:02] <light2-VHL> Bob:-> [21:02] <Judy-VHL> 12I don't know ChriistianGabriel.......when we are washed clean, it is finished. [21:02] <light2-VHL> Listen all , Jesus is our Rest [21:02] <connied52-VHL> Hi, this is the first time I have connected to the prophecy chat. I read the excerpts from the last one last night- it was so interesting. I have only known about the chat site about a week or so and have logged on twice for prayer, etc. [21:02] <light2-VHL> He did all the works to save us [21:02] <HostBob> Yes, Peacemaker... [21:03] <ChristianGabriel-VHL> 7Yes Judy I realize that, and believe that..But that doesnt mean we live less Holy lives [21:03] <Rich-VHL> 2no Christian we only lose that time of our failure [21:03] <called_out-VHL> 10Welcome, Connied [21:03] <Gran-VHL> 5:) connied shalom and welcome aboard [21:03] <ChristianGabriel-VHL> 7Ok i see [21:03] <HostBob> Bashars uncle in exile, Rifaat [21:03] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2hi Connied God bless and welcome [21:03] <skip-VHL> 4HI connied52 glad you made it [21:03] <HostBob> Rifaat is making noise now that he wants to take power [21:03] <Rich-VHL> 2hi connie [21:03] <HostBob> how much support he has in Syria is uncertain [21:03] <Robby_s_-VHL> No matter what happens in Syria, God is in control. [21:04] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Christian dear one soak yourself in the WORD and God being trusteworthy will forgive you when you sin and ask HIM [21:04] <HostBob> He was exiled in 1983 I believe for trying to overthrow his brother Hafez (who just died) [21:04] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Robby that goes for the enitre world :-) [21:04] <connied52-VHL> Thanks, all -its good to be here [21:04] <Rich-VHL> 2if there is any Bob it will be bad asssads son [21:04] <ChristianGabriel-VHL> 7Well, Blessings in Jesus/Yeshua, May he Bless and Keep us, as he has and Continues to do [21:04] <Marion-VHL> What do you think about the US pushing for all the land for peace [21:04] <Gran-VHL> 5:) if you abide in HIS word it will be easier not to fail [21:04] <ChristianGabriel-VHL> 7Thanks:) [21:04] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Remember Jesus said if you abide in my word I will abide in you [21:04] <Rich-VHL> 2Amen Gran [21:04] <HostBob> Marion, I think it's a disgrace the pressure that the US puts on Israel to acquiesce [21:05] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Gran what book is that from? [21:05] <light2-VHL> For any who aren't aware the UN is planning a big One World Religion [21:05] <ChristianGabriel-VHL> 7Gran, i have and it seems the Opression worsens [21:05] <light2-VHL> http://www.millenniumpeacesummit.org/faithsframe.html [21:05] <HostBob> more than a disgrace, it is indecent [21:05] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2I'm righting down these one liners ...sort of speak [21:05] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Oh gosh I will have to look [21:05] <Rich-VHL> 2when will that happen Light [21:05] <ChristianGabriel-VHL> 7Ok Blessings [21:05] <peacemaker1-VHL> Bob do you think that Assads death will put peace negotiations with Syria on hold indefinately? [21:05] ChristianGabriel-VHL [~ChristianGabriel-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (ChristianGabriel-VHL has left the room) [21:05] <Marion-VHL> so do I Bob!! [21:05] <hope-VHL> 7Hi DON! I just came back and noticed you were on!!! ;) [21:05] <Robby_s_-VHL> brb [21:05] dotk-VHL [~dotk-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:06] <HostBob> Yes, peacemaker for awhile at least... because Bashar does not have the grip on power his father had.... [21:06] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2I am also making it my goal to make many people aware of this site. so that they can be aware, just in case [21:06] <light2-VHL> Aug 28-31 2000 [21:06] <Judy-VHL> 12Can't indefinitely, Peacemaker. [21:06] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2here it is [21:06] <HostBob> and must be much more tentative while he consildates power [21:06] <light2-VHL> Big summit with one goal [21:06] <DonB-VHL> 14hi hope, wondfulf to see you [21:06] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2digitalangle.net [21:06] <DonB-VHL> 14opps.....wonderful [21:06] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2www.digitalagel.net [21:06] <light2-VHL> signed treaty and Board of Religious leaders to lead UN [21:06] <Marion-VHL> the UN isn't interested in rescuing people enslaved in the Sudan either [21:06] <called_out-VHL> 10Light what is Aug 29-31 [21:06] <light2-VHL> It is an abomination [21:06] <HostBob> and there are questions about whether he has the toughness and temperment to succeed as ruler of a nation like Israel, where his father ruled brutally [21:06] <light2-VHL> to God Almight [21:06] <light2-VHL> Almighty [21:07] <HostBob> not Israel [21:07] <HostBob> sorry [21:07] <HostBob> Syria [21:07] <light2-VHL> 12 religions [21:07] <HostBob> oops [21:07] <Rich-VHL> 2if the u.n. can do this Light will they try to enforce it [21:07] <light2-VHL> The UN World Religious Summit [21:07] <Judy-VHL> 12Of course [21:07] <light2-VHL> Absolutely [21:07] <Kathy-VHL> and we in the US need to be aware fo what our gov is doing [21:07] <DonB-VHL> 14hope, is your hubby back home yet? [21:07] <light2-VHL> everything is in place [21:07] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2things seem on one hand to be going quickly..yet on the other I would have thought things being in the end days would have been happening faster? [21:08] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2just me [21:08] <Kathy-VHL> have any of you heard of the code word Cable splice [21:08] <Judy-VHL> 12Bible Prophecy. One World Order....antichrist. One World Religion.....false prophet. [21:08] <HostBob> Things will happen in God's timing, Tim - but Jesus said "I am coming soon" [21:08] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2no, and how did you hear about it ,Kathy? [21:08] <Kathy-VHL> I will get the link [21:08] <HostBob> He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. (Revelation 22:20 NIV) [21:08] <skip-VHL> 4amen BOB [21:08] <called_out-VHL> 10What is the code Kathy. [21:08] <Rich-VHL> 2Amen Bob [21:08] <HostBob> The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life. (Revelation 22:17 NIV) [21:08] <light2-VHL> Here are list of 12 religions [21:09] <light2-VHL> Jainism [21:09] <light2-VHL> Buddhism [21:09] <DonB-VHL> 14amen...Bob [21:09] <light2-VHL> Zorostranism [21:09] <light2-VHL> Confuciasium [21:09] <light2-VHL> Islam [21:09] <light2-VHL> Himduism [21:10] <light2-VHL> Toasism [21:10] <HostBob> "Awake, awake! Clothe yourself with strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in days gone by, as in generations of old." Isaiah 51:9 [21:10] <light2-VHL> Indiginious Religions [21:10] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Honoring I missquoted that. In John 15 Jesus speaks to us to abide in HIM I have been taught that since the Bible is HIS word than we are to abide in HIS word look in verse 7 [21:10] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Bob do you think tht as we have asked for forgivness and been forgiven that "some sin or what we have done on earth and judged will lead to maybe being left behind to make sure that certain people believe in what they say they believe in? [21:10] <light2-VHL> Sikhism [21:10] <peacemaker1-VHL> Bob, why is it that the press is painting Assad as such a great man when they know that he sponsors the Hizbullah. [21:10] <light2-VHL> shintoism [21:10] <light2-VHL> Judaism [21:11] <light2-VHL> Last but not least [21:11] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Thanks Gran [21:11] <light2-VHL> Christianity [21:11] <HostBob> Good question, Peacemaker. You'd think Assad was a real gentleman the way the press has been painting him, instead of a brutal and cruel dicator..... [21:11] Bill-VHL [~Bill-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:11] <HostBob> here is one example.. [21:11] <hope-VHL> 7Sorry, Don, I'm catching up reading LOL, yes he's back, thanks [21:11] <called_out-VHL> 10True, peacemaker. Assad murdered thousands of people [21:11] <Gran-VHL> 5HONOR dear if you are saved than you will not be left behind for some past sin [21:11] <light2-VHL> Now how do you all think God Feels about the UN?????????????? [21:11] <HostBob> some years ago, to put down a threat from Islamic fundamentalists..... [21:11] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Bill. [21:11] <DonB-VHL> 14good to hear hope!!!!! [21:11] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2thanks Gran [21:11] <HostBob> he sent the army against the city of Hama - attacked an entire city in his country.... [21:12] <Rich-VHL> 2the u.n. may claim they can unite these so called religions but they will never unite us with any of them In The Name Of Jesus [21:12] <HostBob> with an estimated 10,000 - 20,000 killed [21:12] <light2-VHL> No we will have to die [21:12] <Bill-VHL> Hi [21:12] <Gran-VHL> 5:) You are more than welcome dear one [21:12] <HostBob> and his secret police is notorious for oppression and brutality [21:12] <Rich-VHL> 2hi Bill [21:12] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Gran you called me dear...are you a female? [21:12] <called_out-VHL> 10He is just as bad as Husein [21:13] <HostBob> Yes, called [21:13] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2brb [21:13] <Judy-VHL> 12And Arafat [21:13] <peacemaker1-VHL> Bob, what do you think sparked the hatred that Assad had for Israel? [21:13] <Judy-VHL> 12Arafat is contemptuous, too. [21:13] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Bill shalom welcome to the room [21:13] <HostBob> Peace, he had a dream of a "Greater Syria".... [21:13] <Judy-VHL> 12Sickening. [21:13] <Gran-VHL> 5join in any time [21:13] <called_out-VHL> 10Yes, they are of the Devil [21:13] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes dear for many years [21:13] <Gran-VHL> 5 69 of them [21:14] <called_out-VHL> 10your are just a youngester Gran [21:14] <Rich-VHL> 2peacemaker asssad was an arab and they all hate Israeli's most of them anyway [21:14] <HostBob> he would often lecture foreign leaders that agreement after WW1 parcelling out the region was artifical, that Syria should still rule the region [21:14] <Gran-VHL> 5:) to some I am for sure [21:14] <Marion-VHL> Greed I think peacemaker [21:14] mytan-VHL [~mytan-VHL@proxy13.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:14] <Gran-VHL> 5but most chats I go to I am the elder lady [21:14] <peacemaker1-VHL> But hasn't Syria had its same borders for some time , at least till Israel took some of it. [21:14] <HostBob> including Lebanon and Israel in his "Greater Syria" dream [21:14] <hope-VHL> 7I'm glad you said "most of them" Rich [21:14] <Judy-VHL> 12LOL HOPE>>>>>ABE [21:14] <Kathy-VHL> http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/ananews.htm [21:15] EZGuest210 [~EZGuest@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:15] <hope-VHL> 7;) LOL [21:15] <called_out-VHL> 10But Gran, will age comes wisdon [21:15] <called_out-VHL> 10wisdom [21:15] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes I hope so I try to use only wisdom and experience [21:15] <Judy-VHL> 12Hello Mytan. [21:15] <Gran-VHL> 5large family still increasing [21:15] <HostBob> Peacemaker, the current political boundaries of most of the Arab countries were arbitrarily decided by Britain and France after the defeated the Ottomans in WW1 and took the region [21:16] <Rich-VHL> 2hi mytan [21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5:) mytan shalom [21:16] <Robby_s_-VHL> But, Bob? [21:16] <mytan-VHL> Hey Rich. Hello Everybody. [21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5:) just jump in Robby [21:16] <HostBob> perhaps not arbitrarily - they attempted to secure their interest in Arab oil by parceling it out in return for promises of continued influence there [21:16] <HostBob> Yes, Robby? [21:17] <Marion-VHL> hi Mytan [21:17] <Robby_s_-VHL> Doesn't it go all the way back to genesis? [21:17] <connied52-VHL> Hi, mytan welcome, I'm new at the prophecy chat this evening, great discussions [21:17] <Rich-VHL> 2I was just thinking the same thing Robby [21:17] <HostBob> Yes, ultimately it does - for God's promises to Israel of the land Abraham was to receive have nto been revoked [21:17] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Robby the whole thing goes back to Genesis [21:18] <HostBob> I was speaking only of the modern Arab situation [21:18] <HostBob> Israel will receive MUCH MORE land than they now have [21:18] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2lol [21:18] <mytan-VHL> Glad to have you connied52. I am not new, just late. [21:18] <HostBob> according to the Lord [21:18] <hope-VHL> 7the Abrahamic covenant??? [21:18] <Gran-VHL> 5:) the Hebrew nation never did take all the land that God gave them [21:18] connie-VHL [~connie-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:18] <Robby_s_-VHL> Yes, you were speaking about why this is all happening. [21:18] <Rich-VHL> 2the hatred still comes from Genesis does't it Bob [21:19] <HostBob> Right Gran - in the days of David and Solomon the empire extended far [21:19] EZGuest210 [~EZGuest@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (EZGuest210 has left the room) [21:19] izzy-VHL [~izzy-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:19] <HostBob> Yes, Rich, that is the origin [21:19] <Marion-VHL> are you talking prophetically bob, or world news here [21:19] <connie-VHL> Hello,, Bob [21:19] <HostBob> Both, Marion :) [21:19] <HostBob> Hi Connie :) [21:19] <connie-VHL> Hello everyone else [21:19] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes and it is all rooted in rebellion and isobedience [21:19] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Connie [21:19] <DonB-VHL> 14hi connie [21:19] <skip-VHL> 4hi connie [21:19] <Gran-VHL> 5:) disobedience [21:19] <Rich-VHL> 2hi connie [21:19] <peacemaker1-VHL> Prophecy will be world news someday! [21:19] <Gran-VHL> 5LOL:) [21:20] <HostBob> It is today! [21:20] <Judy-VHL> 12:-p [21:20] <Kathy-VHL> more like a few days lol [21:20] <skip-VHL> 4like TODAY [21:20] <called_out-VHL> 10Yes, peacemaker and also world news today [21:20] <izzy-VHL> hello to all [21:20] <Marion-VHL> do you think Israel will get more land now?????? [21:20] <skip-VHL> 4hi izzy [21:20] <Judy-VHL> 12Amen Bob! Can find prophecy in news everyday now! [21:20] <DonB-VHL> 14hi izzy [21:20] <called_out-VHL> 10hey izzy [21:20] <Gran-VHL> 5:) well kids the old fingers are not hitting the keys right so I need to get up and do something else [21:20] <hope-VHL> 7If they do away with Damascus Marion [21:20] <mike-VHL> 10Bob is it true that the God of Islam is not the God of the Bible but from the Mecca region [21:20] <Rich-VHL> 2prophesy is world news all the time only the world does't recognize it [21:21] <HostBob> Marion, I think that could be the result of a potential impending war with Syria and Lebanon [21:21] <Gran-VHL> 5I plan to be here on Thurs night so will see you all there that get there that is LOL [21:21] <skip-VHL> 4I LOVE YOU GRAN [21:21] <izzy-VHL> what is the topic on the table if any? [21:21] <Marion-VHL> hope who will do away with it? [21:21] <peacemaker1-VHL> Shalom Gran.... [21:21] <DonB-VHL> 14ggod night gran [21:21] <called_out-VHL> 10bye Gran, God Bless and Keep you [21:21] <HostBob> Mike, the God of Islam is "Allah" - a false god, an imposter [21:21] <Gran-VHL> 5SKIP <grin> [21:21] <HostBob> Bye Gran!!!! [21:21] <connied52-VHL> Hi judy hi skip hi rich hi bob and all I'm trying to find a color to differentiate but they all seem taken [21:21] <mytan-VHL> Shalom Gran. [21:21] <HostBob> We do love ya! :) [21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5:) God Bless you all I love these Isreal rooms [21:22] <Rich-VHL> 2hi izzy [21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5:) POOOFFFFF [21:22] <skip-VHL> 4don't do yellow:-) [21:22] <mike-VHL> 10If so then the hatred is not for Genisis but from the Koran [21:22] <izzy-VHL> hey rich [21:22] <hope-VHL> 7But Bob, the Arab's believe that Allah is the God of Abraham......which of course they're wrong [21:22] Gran-VHL [~Gran-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Gran-VHL has left the room) [21:22] <HostBob> Yes, hope [21:22] <connied52-VHL> 45I'll try maroon now grans gone [21:22] <HostBob> They say "there is no God but Allah" [21:22] <Marion-VHL> for my understanding you bob,...do you think they will have war soon? [21:22] <HostBob> Yes, Marion [21:23] <HostBob> I do [21:23] <HostBob> God says... [21:23] <mytan-VHL> That is right Hope. [21:23] <skip-VHL> 4:-)connied [21:23] <HostBob> For this is what the LORD says-- he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited-- he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other. (Isaiah 45:18 NIV) [21:23] <hope-VHL> 7Bob, which is the verse that talks about Damascus being in ruins????????? [21:23] <HostBob> Hope it's Isaiah 17:1 [21:24] <peacemaker1-VHL> Bob the 'Farms' that we have read about in the news....is it really a farm or is it just the name of some land in Golan? [21:24] <connied52-VHL> 5:-) skip [21:24] <HostBob> Good question Peace - I don't know :) [21:24] emma-VHL [~emma-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:24] <hope-VHL> 7thanks BOB.........Marion....look at Isaiah 17:1...... [21:24] <HostBob> Welcome, Emma! [21:24] <Kathy-VHL> What farms ??? [21:25] <mike-VHL> 10i heard that they grew grapes in the Golan [21:25] <connie-VHL> Hello emma [21:25] <HostBob> Kathy, it is disputed territory... [21:25] <Rich-VHL> 2hi Emma [21:25] <Judy-VHL> 12HOPE, Abe doesn't have any relatives living in Syria, does he? [21:25] AJTheRev-VHL [~AJTheRev-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:25] <HostBob> that Lebanon says belongs to them..... [21:25] <Kathy-VHL> thks [21:25] <emma-VHL> hello all! [21:25] <Marion-VHL> the settelers there have made farms & have made the dry arid land a garden in spots there [21:25] <HostBob> but it's really just a pretext.... [21:25] <hope-VHL> 7I LOVE the name Emma! I named one of my twins that! ;) [21:25] <DonB-VHL> 14hi emma [21:25] <connied52-VHL> 5Hi to the other connie logged on , i'm connied52 [21:25] <mytan-VHL> shalom emma [21:25] <HostBob> for Hezbollah to continue their campaign against Israel [21:25] <hope-VHL> 7Judy, he has family in Jordan and Saudi Arabia [21:25] AJTheRev-VHL [~AJTheRev-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:25] <emma-VHL> shalom [21:25] <connied52-VHL> 5Hi Emma [21:26] <hope-VHL> 7NONE in Syria or Lebanon [21:26] <Kathy-VHL> Bob are youfamialr with the www page I posted earlier [21:26] <Judy-VHL> 12He's Jordanian, right? [21:26] <HostBob> which one was that, Kathy? I missed it [21:26] <peacemaker1-VHL> I figured the Hizbullah had to come up with some new reason to continue their existence! [21:26] <HostBob> who, Judy? [21:26] <Marion-VHL> ok thanks . you were talking about prophecy & not an immediate impending war [21:26] pie-VHL [~pie-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:26] <Judy-VHL> 12Hope's husband. [21:26] <hope-VHL> 7Yes ABE my husband Bob [21:26] <Kathy-VHL> scroll back up it is to difficult to type again lol and It wont paste in here [21:26] <Marion-VHL> hi emma [21:26] <HostBob> Yes, Peacemaker... but their sworn objective is the elimination of ISrael [21:27] <Rich-VHL> 2Marion war is immediate and very impending [21:27] <DonB-VHL> 14brb [21:27] <Judy-VHL> 12Must have thought I was talking about some king!!!!! LOL [21:27] <Rich-VHL> 2it is in the near future [21:27] <HostBob> Yes, Marion - it is my opinion that Isaiah 17:1 may be very very soon [21:27] <hope-VHL> 7He's a king to me!!! ;) [21:27] <hope-VHL> 7LOL [21:27] <Judy-VHL> 12Amen Bob, me too [21:27] <Judy-VHL> 12Yep, Hope's King. [21:28] <Judy-VHL> 12Ruler of the Roost [21:28] <hope-VHL> 7LOL [21:28] <HostBob> Welcome, Pie :) [21:28] <Rich-VHL> 2would that be Jesus hope [21:28] <connied52-VHL> 5Me too King of Kings [21:28] DonB-VHL [~DonB-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (DonB-VHL has left the room) [21:28] <Judy-VHL> 12LOL LOL LOL [21:28] pie-VHL [~pie-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (pie-VHL has left the room) [21:28] pie-VHL [~pie-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:28] EZGuest292 [~EZGuest@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:28] <Rich-VHL> 2hello pie [21:28] <pie-VHL> 13hi rich how are you [21:28] <Judy-VHL> 12Boy, did we start something here, HOPE! [21:28] <hope-VHL> 7LOL [21:28] <peacemaker1-VHL> Bob, the war with Syria ,Lebanan and the Palestinians will mean victory for Israel....do you think that they will pay with a large loss of life? [21:29] <skip-VHL> 4got company .. taking a break bless you all ... SHALOM ..PRAY FOR THA PEACE OF JERUSALEM [21:29] <called_out-VHL> 10hi pie [21:29] <Marion-VHL> hi Pie [21:29] <pie-VHL> 13hi called out [21:29] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye Skipper! [21:29] <connied52-VHL> 5Bye, skip [21:29] <pie-VHL> 13hello marion [21:29] <connie-VHL> Bob I have a question [21:29] <HostBob> I don't know, Peace - I really don't think so [21:29] <Rich-VHL> 2LOL hope [21:29] <skip-VHL> 4:-* [21:29] <Marion-VHL> even Sarah called Abraham Loer!!!!!!!! [21:29] <hope-VHL> 7Rich.......JESUS is my KING, we were just joking about my husband, being king over my house [21:29] <Marion-VHL> loed [21:29] skip-VHL [~skip-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (skip-VHL has left the room) [21:29] <HostBob> Yes, Connie? [21:29] <light2-VHL> Bob connie has a question [21:29] <Marion-VHL> lord!!!!!!!!!!!! [21:30] <connie-VHL> In Zechariah 5 it talks about two angels taking a woman called evil in a basket [21:30] <Rich-VHL> 2OOOOH hope [21:30] <HostBob> Yes :) it does [21:30] <connie-VHL> she is taken over the land of Shinar until a home could be found for her [21:30] <HostBob> yes [21:30] <HostBob> Shinar is Babylon [21:30] <hope-VHL> 7Judy, you did it again!!! LOL LOL [21:30] <connie-VHL> What do you take the meaning of this to be [21:30] <HostBob> the woman is the same woman in Revelations, probably [21:30] <Judy-VHL> 12Cool, isn't it? [21:30] <HostBob> the "great whore" [21:31] <HostBob> "wickedness" [21:31] <pie-VHL> 13well what's the topic for tonite? [21:31] <HostBob> Here is my take on it... [21:31] <Robby_s_-VHL> Yes I think she is. [21:31] <light2-VHL> She is the great Harlot that Sits on the Beast [21:31] <connied52-VHL> 5it does seem it might be [21:31] <HostBob> which may offend some.... possibly [21:31] <connie-VHL> could this have anything to do with Islam [21:31] <light2-VHL> And I know who she is [21:31] <Rich-VHL> 2who is it light [21:31] <light2-VHL> She is also the Abomination that makes for Desolation [21:31] <mytan-VHL> Go for it Bob. [21:31] <HostBob> the "wickedness" is Babylon, the culimination of the great rebellion against God.... [21:31] <light2-VHL> http://www.millenniumpeacesummit.org/faithsframe.html [21:31] <Judy-VHL> 12Who Light? [21:31] <hope-VHL> 7Roman Catholicism [21:32] <Judy-VHL> 12False Prophet. [21:32] <light2-VHL> It is the One World Religious Government [21:32] <light2-VHL> Set up with every abomination [21:32] <called_out-VHL> 10Yes light [21:32] <HostBob> the religious systems that unite to oppose the Lord and support antichrist.... [21:32] <light2-VHL> Look at the Page [21:32] <light2-VHL> It is clear [21:32] <Rich-VHL> 2I think your right light2 [21:32] <light2-VHL> The Harlot is Here [21:32] <HostBob> and the two women who carry her there.... [21:32] <Judy-VHL> 12It will be more in tune with the New Age Movement. [21:32] <light2-VHL> She is riding on the beast [21:32] <HostBob> may be Islam and Catholicism [21:32] <hope-VHL> 7I agree BOB [21:33] <Robby_s_-VHL> Amen [21:33] <mytan-VHL> I think you are right Bob. [21:33] <HostBob> that's my interpretation - don't take it as doctrine by any means [21:33] <connie-VHL> interesting Bob [21:33] <Rich-VHL> 2would the beast be the one world government [21:33] <light2-VHL> Why do nations become Desolate??? [21:33] <HostBob> where, light? [21:33] <light2-VHL> Because they Forget God [21:33] <connie-VHL> I agree with Islam,, the other I am not sure of yet.. [21:33] <light2-VHL> This is a Desolation [21:33] <light2-VHL> http://www.millenniumpeacesummit.org/faithsframe.html [21:33] <connied52-VHL> 5Bob, I've been hearing that they are trying to make Mary co-savior with Jesus with plans to eventually have everyone adopting that and deleting Jesus as Savior. [21:33] <HostBob> yes, Connie... and interestingly... [21:34] <HostBob> Mary is the link between Catholicism and Islam.... [21:34] <connie-VHL> I agee [21:34] <connie-VHL> agree [21:34] <hope-VHL> 7the Queen of Heaven [21:34] <HostBob> she is called "Our Lady of Fatima".... [21:34] <mytan-VHL> They have been teaching that for years and leaving Christ [21:34] <connie-VHL> ok.. second question [21:34] <connied52-VHL> 5Yes, I was reading that , [21:34] <HostBob> after the apparition in Fatima Portugal... [21:34] <Judy-VHL> 12Really, Bob? I never knew that Mary had anything to do with Islam. [21:34] <HostBob> hold on Connie :) [21:34] <light2-VHL> The Head is full of Blasphemese Names [21:34] <HostBob> Fatima was Mohammed's favorite daughter [21:34] <light2-VHL> Not just Mary [21:35] <HostBob> and Muslims hold Mary in high regard [21:35] <hope-VHL> 7THAT is true BOB [21:35] <Judy-VHL> 12Wow, didn't know that. [21:35] <hope-VHL> 7they think she is Holy [21:35] <connied52-VHL> 5But, interestingly for a long time Islam has recognized a deity like Mary as you said "Lady of Fatima, so it wont be hard for them to implement it on that side [21:35] <light2-VHL> They have pulled this site together with the Popes apology to the World [21:35] <Judy-VHL> 12See Bob, I really don't know everything! [21:35] <HostBob> Pope John Paul II attributes his not being killed by the assassin to Fatima [21:36] <HostBob> :) Judy [21:36] <Rich-VHL> 2do muslems believe that Jesus is the Son of God Bob [21:36] <hope-VHL> 7LOL JUDY!!! [21:36] <hope-VHL> 7NO RICH [21:36] <light2-VHL> No Rich , just a prophet [21:36] <connie-VHL> no Rich [21:36] <HostBob> Right, Connie - it is the link and common ground [21:36] <HostBob> No, Rich [21:36] <HostBob> they believe Jesus was only a prophet [21:36] <connie-VHL> Ok.. now second question? [21:36] <HostBob> Yes? [21:36] <connie-VHL> it ties in [21:37] <Rich-VHL> 2then they are way off base and can't be taken seriously [21:37] <HostBob> Right [21:37] <hope-VHL> 7Rich, they believe that he was born of a virgin, and was sinless, but they DO NOT believe he was the son of God [21:37] Robby_s_-VHL [~Robby_s_-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Robby_s_-VHL has left the room) [21:37] <connie-VHL> in Psalms 83 there are 10 nations discussed,, history has never shown these nations aligned.. [21:37] <light2-VHL> Listen you all the Catholics are ripe for a religion that will take in everybody [21:37] <Kathy-VHL> http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/update.html [21:37] <connie-VHL> I believe these are the ten toes,, not Euporean [21:38] <light2-VHL> The book , if you can find a copy "Christ among us" told catholics that they could pray to Ghandi [21:38] <connie-VHL> they are all islamic [21:38] <connied52-VHL> 5The muslems believe , i think , Jesus was a teacher who was NOT crucified which negates all He did as far as their concerned [21:38] <HostBob> Interesting viewpoint, Connie [21:38] <connie-VHL> what do you know about these nations [21:38] clintonkenny [~clintonkenny@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:38] <connie-VHL> it is said they make a pact to destroy Israel [21:39] <HostBob> Psalm 83 is a good one [21:39] <HostBob> :) [21:39] <light2-VHL> In fact that book said we could pray to any good man [21:39] <Judy-VHL> 12Really, Light? [21:39] <light2-VHL> I was once Catholic so I know [21:39] <HostBob> "Come," they say, "let us destroy them as a nation, that the name of Israel be remembered no more." (Psalms 83:4 NIV) [21:39] <Judy-VHL> 12Very odd. [21:39] <Judy-VHL> 12Hmmmm [21:39] <HostBob> Sounds like today, huh? [21:39] <connie-VHL> sounds familar [21:39] <hope-VHL> 7Connie, they believe that it was shown to the people that he was being crucified, but that he never died, that he was taken to heaven [21:39] <Rich-VHL> 2the muslems are mostly of hate this shows us that they are not of God True [21:39] <connie-VHL> I think satan has us looking in the wrong places [21:39] <Judy-VHL> 12Yes, Bob. Very much so. [21:40] <HostBob> I'll be back in a few minutes - keep on chatting :) [21:40] <HostBob> brb [21:40] <hope-VHL> 7;) Bob [21:41] clintonkenny [~clintonkenny@proxy1.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:41] <connie-VHL> I don't know what role the UN and the ONe world order have to do with it [21:41] <Rich-VHL> 2we have the Love of Jesus inside us not the hate of satan [21:41] <Marion-VHL> light that isn't what Jesus taught , is it [21:42] <Judy-VHL> 12CONNIE, the one world order will be instrumental in getting the people of this world to worship the antichrist.....as God. [21:42] <hope-VHL> 7The One world government was a prophecy in the Bible Connie [21:42] <connie-VHL> I think if they are in volved it will be to help the Islamic nations [21:42] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Question for everyone...What is the differnce between a Christian who desires to know the word of God and listens to Christian music ,goes to church and comes to sites like this one on a regular basis & a Christian who believes in Jesus and God, but does none of the things I just mentioned and has no desire???? [21:42] <Rich-VHL> 2Saint John wrote, all that love are of Christ [21:42] <Judy-VHL> 12The latter is a carnal christian, Tim. [21:42] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Rich- Love is the key word, as apposed to believe? [21:43] <hope-VHL> 7that is a Christian that is not growing, they are constantly drinking milk and never meat [21:43] <connie-VHL> Hope,, I am not sure the one world government is centered arround Roman [21:43] <called_out-VHL> 10Sometimes, the latter is a new babe in Christ...needs prayer [21:43] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Judy can you explain? [21:43] <connie-VHL> Just my thoughts [21:43] <Rich-VHL> 2the only requirement is that we believe in Jesus to the death Honoring [21:43] clintonkenny [~clintonkenny@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:43] <connied52-VHL> 5E got an e-mail from a muslem or Islamic?person stating they believe in a Jesus who was not crucified, which is somehting i had never heard. I wrote back explaining everything I knew about what the bible said Jesus said about himself and that made Him either a liar or who He said He was, and if they then considered Him a liar then why did they call Him also a good teacher? [21:43] HOPE40-VHL [~HOPE40-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:44] <called_out-VHL> 10Rich, believe in Jesus and do his will. [21:44] <Judy-VHL> 12Someone who has been born again, yet doesn't grow. More living in the world. [21:44] <Judy-VHL> 12Apart of this world. [21:44] <Marion-VHL> honor many have different likes & dislikes & agendas. [21:44] humble_heart-VHL [~humble_heart-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:44] <light2-VHL> Beloved Keep Yourselves In The Love Of God [21:44] <Marion-VHL> as long as Jesus is first place in their lives..... that is what matters most [21:44] <light2-VHL> We are married to the Lamb [21:45] <light2-VHL> You are bought with a Price [21:45] <called_out-VHL> 10Youre not your own [21:45] <Rich-VHL> 2yes light2 yes yes yes [21:45] <light2-VHL> Therefore Glorify God In Your Bodies [21:45] <hope-VHL> 7Connie, they don't have our Bible....in their Koran it says that Jesus was NOT crucified, that it was kind of a "figmant of their imagination" because since there was NO body (of course, He rose) they believe He never died [21:45] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Marion, what if it appears that they do not put Jesus first, like working on the sabbath, not attending church not desireing to talk about Jesus morst of the time? [21:45] <mike-VHL> 10Believing in Jesus is not enough even the devil believed in Jesus [21:45] <humble_heart-VHL> 12hello everyone [21:46] <light2-VHL> How shall we Escape, if we neglect so GREAT a SALVATION [21:46] <HOPE40-VHL> 5HI everyone, WOW the room is full , Praise God! [21:46] <called_out-VHL> 10Hi Humble [21:46] <Bill-VHL> I agree to what was said earlier about catholicism, but remember there are many Catholics who are also Born Again Christians, I also light2 [21:46] <hope-VHL> 7Hi Humble ;) [21:46] <humble_heart-VHL> 12hi called_out [21:46] <called_out-VHL> 10Yes Bill, I have known catholics who were born again, living for jesus [21:46] <light2-VHL> Yes and God Says Babylon Has Fallen [21:46] <humble_heart-VHL> 12hi hope [21:46] <Judy-VHL> 12But Tim, you have to be careful, you are mixing works with grace there. [21:46] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2mike- tell me what the word believe means in the context of what we are talking about, believe might mean they are christians? right>? [21:46] nat-VHL [~nat-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:47] <light2-VHL> Leave Her My people [21:47] <mytan-VHL> That is right Mike. The bible says even Satan believes and trembles. [21:47] <Rich-VHL> 2true Mike but the devil has seen Jesus face to face we have not it is our faith and belief that makes the difference [21:47] <light2-VHL> That you be not partakers of Her Sins [21:47] <light2-VHL> She will be judged [21:47] <light2-VHL> And found wanting [21:47] <mike-VHL> 10Believe should be translater trust [21:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2ok, Grace...tell me please more about that and how it ties in [21:47] <mytan-VHL> No Honor. [21:47] <mike-VHL> 10translated [21:48] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2mytan-No about what? [21:48] <hope-VHL> 7hi other HOPE [21:48] EZGuest292 [~EZGuest@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (EZGuest292 has left the room) [21:48] <hope-VHL> 7;) [21:48] <light2-VHL> The foundation of the Lord is sure [21:48] <Judy-VHL> 12Grace is something given, not earned. Cannot earn salvation by going to church, etc. [21:48] <HOPE40-VHL> 5Hi hope:-) [21:48] <light2-VHL> God Knows Them that are His [21:48] <connie-VHL> boy,,, there are a few Hope's and Connie's here [21:48] <Marion-VHL> then perhaps they need to study the word. & are they really saved [21:48] <light2-VHL> Let Everyone who Names the Name of Christ [21:48] peacemaker1-VHL [~peacemaker1-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (peacemaker1-VHL has left the room) [21:49] <Rich-VHL> 2Jesus said Repent and believe the Gospel for The Kingdom of God is at hand [21:49] <mytan-VHL> Many believe but do not follow. [21:49] <light2-VHL> Depart from Iniquity [21:49] <Bill-VHL> Yes, light2 [21:49] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2So when you confess or tell to someone that they believe in Jesus, should one press that prerson and say....what do you blieve in about Jesus? [21:49] <Judy-VHL> 12BILL......I agree, there are Catholics who are born again. My grandmother was one. [21:49] <Marion-VHL> If saved they would want to know Him more. But may not know how. [21:49] <called_out-VHL> 10<b Road is narrow and few there are that enter in. [21:49] <connie-VHL> Has anyone heard anymore concerning Jerusalem being brought to the table? [21:49] <Marion-VHL> maybe you should talk to them about your concerns [21:49] <mike-VHL> 10many believe but do not trust in the saving works of Jesus Christ [21:49] <light2-VHL> Many shall say to Me in that day. Lord , Lord [21:50] <light2-VHL> And I will say, Depart from me ye workers of Iniquity [21:50] <Rich-VHL> 2Honoring Jesus said we would know them by their fruits by they produce in their lives [21:50] <light2-VHL> I never Knew You [21:50] <called_out-VHL> 10But, His sheep know His voice and follow Him. [21:50] <light2-VHL> Amen Called [21:50] <mytan-VHL> In order for fellowship with that person. There is nothing wrong in asking what a person believes. If they are a true believer, follower of Christ, they will not be offended. [21:50] <Marion-VHL> some may feel inferior to another that knows the word & doesn't want to get into discussions [21:50] <light2-VHL> He knows us and we know Him [21:50] <izzy-VHL> connie what was that question you asked? [21:50] <Kathy-VHL> The difference in what the devil believed and in what we as saved persons believe is the willingness to allow Jesus to be in control and to follow Him the devil believed in His head we believe in our head and in our hearts and thats is what we must do believe in our heart [21:50] <Bill-VHL> Yes, Christ is there for all who seek Him [21:50] <hope-VHL> 7Honoring.....a good question to ask is "If you were to stand before God today, WHY should He let you in?" If they start naming off things, obviously they don't know [21:51] <light2-VHL> Yes Kathy [21:51] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2good point, Rich *** explain fruits*** if you don't mind, in the context of a true believer [21:51] <connie-VHL> has anyone heard anything else about Jerusalem being brought to the tables [21:51] <emma-VHL> connie, I'm wondering that too [21:52] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2hope , you must have knowledge of the 5 things to ask someone to find out if they believe in JEsus as Lord [21:52] <light2-VHL> But the Fruit of the Spirit are These [21:52] <connie-VHL> do you think they will allow Jerusalem to be devided? [21:52] <light2-VHL> Love [21:52] <light2-VHL> Joy [21:52] <izzy-VHL> so far as I heard it is not sure. but dont you think that everything is going the way God wants it to go? [21:52] <light2-VHL> Peace [21:52] <called_out-VHL> 10No Connie, would like to know. [21:52] <light2-VHL> Long suffering [21:52] <light2-VHL> Meekness [21:52] <light2-VHL> gentleness [21:52] <Rich-VHL> 2fruits is I think whether we love people or hate them would we ever harm anyone in anyway or not [21:52] <light2-VHL> against such is no law [21:52] <called_out-VHL> 10Listening Honoring. [21:52] <connie-VHL> I am sure it is... but it I like to understand the way it is going..... [21:53] <izzy-VHL> it was no coincidence that the syrian king died. [21:53] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2light, does that mean if we as Christians ever get angry or impacient, does that mean we are not of God or just need more work? [21:53] <Kathy-VHL> If you watch me cross a rope from a 10 story building every day pushing a wheelbarrow if I asked you if you believed I could push the wheelbarrow arcoss you would probably say yes but if I asked you if you believe it enough to get in the wheelbarrow and let me push you accross would you? We have to believe in Jesus enough to get in the wheelbarrow and let Him push us across lol [21:53] <HostBob> I'm back, folks [21:53] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2called, listening... [21:53] <called_out-VHL> 10Izzy, I don't think so either. All in God's plan. [21:53] godschild-VHL [~godschild-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:53] <connie-VHL> some feel the battle in daniel starts between Eygpt and Syria [21:53] <izzy-VHL> its one big puzzle and God is giving us each piece, one at a time. [21:53] <HostBob> Tim, we all act in ways that are not appropriate at times [21:53] <light2-VHL> But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [21:53] <called_out-VHL> 10Good Kathy, [21:53] <HostBob> And regarding your other question.... [21:54] <mike-VHL> 10Honor we still have our sinfull nature saved of unsaved [21:54] <connie-VHL> others think the battle will start over Jerusalem... any ideas [21:54] <light2-VHL> Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. [21:54] <called_out-VHL> 10yes Honoring [21:54] <humble_heart-VHL> 12Amen!! Kathy [21:54] <mike-VHL> 10saved means we have the means to control it [21:54] <godschild-VHL> Hell:-)o! [21:54] <HostBob> the Lord did not direct us to interrogate people to determine if they are really "saved" but to declare the good news [21:54] <HOPE40-VHL> 5HI godschild [21:54] bingobev-VHL [~bingobev-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:54] <izzy-VHL> the next break through, is oil being found in the dead sea. Oil for Israel. Israel will be a might nation, with most of the oil. [21:54] <Rich-VHL> 2yes light2 fruit is the love of Christ inside us loveing even our enemies [21:55] <light2-VHL> And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. [21:55] <called_out-VHL> 10Hello Godschild [21:55] <light2-VHL> sorry for repeat [21:55] <connie-VHL> what do you think will happen about the water rights [21:55] <mytan-VHL> Honor, read the 7th chapter of Romans. Paul gives an excellent account of living in faith, dwelling in the flesh. [21:55] <light2-VHL> Gal 5:22 [21:55] Rose-VHL [~Rose-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:55] <connie-VHL> the peace accords will take the water rights out of Israel's hands [21:56] <Rich-VHL> 2hi Gods child [21:56] <izzy-VHL> Israel has kept those water rights for itself. knowing that God will make Israel might by that method. [21:56] <hope-VHL> 7Honoring......I'm not sure of the 5 you were talking about........I always ask that question, and it has always worked for me........if they start naming things like (I go to church, I read my bible, I feed the poor....etc) they don't have salvation.......the ONLY reason God should let us in, is because Jesus paid the price on the cross and I have faith that He did it for me! [21:56] <pie-VHL> 1313<hi GOD chils [21:56] <pie-VHL> 13oop GOD child [21:56] <emma-VHL> am I in the wrong chat room? I thought this discussion was about prophecy [21:56] <connie-VHL> izzy I had heard they would lose the control over the water [21:57] <HostBob> Connie, there are news reports floating around that the Palestinians are not even satisfied with 90% of the "West Bank"! Even giving away that much is a horrible injustice, but they want it ALL [21:57] <izzy-VHL> connie when you can go to the web site. www.nessenergy.com you will see what I mean [21:57] <light2-VHL> Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? [21:57] ruachakodesh-VHL [~ruachakodesh-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:57] <HostBob> Emma, we kinda wander on the topics here :) [21:57] <Rich-VHL> 2emma we have just gotten sidetracked [21:57] <called_out-VHL> 10Emma, we digress [21:57] <HostBob> But any suggestions for discussion topics are welcome [21:57] <connie-VHL> Thanks.... izzy... i am gonna bookmark it... [21:57] <emma-VHL> LOL [21:57] <hope-VHL> 7Connie, we don't like to ignore questions in here ;) [21:57] <humble_heart-VHL> 12Amen!! hope [21:58] <Rich-VHL> 2with the joy we all feel in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus [21:58] <hope-VHL> 7Sorry, I meant to say EMMA [21:58] <hope-VHL> 7not connie [21:58] <connie-VHL> I was wondering....LOL [21:58] <HostBob> News Item.... PA: LET OUR MURDERERS GO FREE [21:58] <HostBob> According to a top Palestinian negotiator, Israel will release all 1,650 [21:58] <HostBob> Palestinian security prisoners once the Israeli and Palestinian teams agree [21:58] <HostBob> on an outline for a final peace treaty. [21:58] <hope-VHL> 7LOL [21:58] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Shalom again...Did I miss any interesting chats? [21:58] <Marion-VHL> we are to discern & to test the spirits to see if they are of God [21:59] <HostBob> Yes, Ruach... [21:59] <Marion-VHL> & to Judge actions of a christian [21:59] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Marion...how do you believe we go about that? [21:59] <HostBob> but the transcript will be on VHL tomorrow [21:59] <Marion-VHL> that is not the same as judging people [21:59] <ruachakodesh-VHL> ok....I will check it out...now just how do I do that? [21:59] <HOPE40-VHL> 5Do they have a date in mind for the final agreement to be on the table? [21:59] <HostBob> Of the 1,650 Palestinian security prisoners detained by Israel, [21:59] <HostBob> approximately 900 are Hamas members and 100 belong Islamic Jihad. About 400 [21:59] <HostBob> are supporters of Arafat's Fatah party. [21:59] <mytan-VHL> You are right Marion. We judge believers but not those outside the Church. [21:59] imbecomingnew-VHL [~imbecomingnew-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:59] <Rich-VHL> 2well all it has been very good tonight, but it is time for me to go, see you thursday [22:00] <connied52-VHL> 5There's been some great chats , maybe you can catch up on them later [22:00] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Sounds just a tad bit dangerous now doesn't it...... [22:00] <HostBob> Rich, take care, brother :) [22:00] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Bob, I guess I still have to learn about how to witness to people, some don't want to be witnessed to in conversation ie. mentioning Jesus allot. I never mean to interogate people, but when it's your family you of course want to help them with information from Gods word to help them, to become more open then Gods grace and spirit does the rest...Right? [22:00] godschild-VHL [~godschild-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (godschild-VHL has left the room) [22:00] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Thank you to everyone who replyed to the question [22:00] <HostBob> Yes, but if we take the wrong approach, we ourselves can be the cause for offense [22:00] <Kathy-VHL> Bob can there be a peace treaty before the destruction of Demaskus [22:00] <emma-VHL> Will Jerusalem be split, do you think? [22:01] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Marion....I had asked how you believed one is to go about trying spirits...discerning ect...did you see the question? [22:01] <pie-VHL> 13is arafat's a muslim? [22:01] bingobev-VHL [~bingobev-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [22:01] <called_out-VHL> 10ruachakodesh, just come back to this site and click on the icon [22:01] <ruachakodesh-VHL> bob...very true...that is why being led of the Spirit is very important to me... [22:01] <called_out-VHL> 10you can't miss it. [22:01] <HostBob> Kathy, if so, the Palestinians will not be satisfied until they have all of Jerusalem, and ultimately all of Israel.... [22:01] <HostBob> so the "peace treaty" is a farce [22:01] <ruachakodesh-VHL> todah for the info .... [22:01] <mytan-VHL> Honor, you talk to them but do not become a stumbling block. If they do not want to hear, don't push or they will stop talking to you altogether. [22:01] Rich-VHL [~Rich-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Rich-VHL has left the room) [22:01] mike-VHL [~mike-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (mike-VHL has left the room) [22:02] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Bob...how right you are! [22:02] <connie-VHL> I don't think in the end it will be divided.. I believe the Jews will die defending it [22:02] <HostBob> Yes, Pie, Arafat is a Muslim [22:02] <Judy-VHL> 12You know what is amazing to me Bob? Is that Arafat is married to a Christian woman. I guess I find it stranger, that SHE is married to HIM. [22:02] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2I just have a hard thinking that Gods word is cause for offense, or did you mean me personally? [22:02] <pie-VHL> 13thanks hostbob [22:02] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6Bob, I just got here tonight, have you discussed the death and impact of it concerning syria [22:02] <HostBob> I think that is "Christian" in quotes, Judy [22:02] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2mytan- ya I finding this out [22:02] Mule-VHL [~Mule-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:02] <HostBob> a cultural Christian [22:02] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Not all christians understand the terms the L-rd has set out before all the world...they are in essence blind... [22:02] <HostBob> Yes, Im, we did :) [22:03] <HostBob> make sure you check the transcript [22:03] <HostBob> though questions are welcome [22:03] <Judy-VHL> 12What does that mean? Cultural Christian? Never heard of it. [22:03] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Bob...What do you think about this.....Mohammed is very likely a good candidate for being the false Prophet.... [22:03] <connie-VHL> bob what is your email [22:03] <Rose-VHL> 6How do you check the transcript Bob? [22:03] <HostBob> someone want to take a stab at Judy's question? [22:03] <pie-VHL> 13what is a cultural christian host bob? [22:03] <Marion-VHL> the Holy Spirit will & the word [22:04] <mytan-VHL> Honor, many people do not want to hear. When they hear, they are convicted and that is not what they want. [22:04] <hope-VHL> 7Judy, alot of people call themselves Christian, just because they were born and baptized [22:04] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6i will tomorrow, what about what I read about threats to the family? [22:04] <connie-VHL> I would like to send you an article Cal Thomas wrote [22:04] <connied52-VHL> 5She may have become a Christian after marriage [22:04] <HostBob> it will be on the VHL site, Rose, tomorrow [22:04] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Check out www.trumpetsounds.com very good site [22:04] <Marion-VHL> some actions are obvious [22:04] <HostBob> my email is Bob_Westbrook@zionmail.com [22:04] <ruachakodesh-VHL> cal Thomas has put out some very supportive articles..... [22:04] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh, ok, Hope. [22:05] <Rose-VHL> 6Thank you :-> [22:05] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Bob? [22:05] <HostBob> Did I miss any questions? It was scrolling fast there [22:05] <HostBob> yes, Ruach? [22:05] izzy-VHL [~izzy-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (izzy-VHL has left the room) [22:05] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Did you see my question? [22:05] <HostBob> nope :) [22:05] <called_out-VHL> 10Someone who is raised in a Christian home, but never really received Jesus into there heard. The US is a Christain nation, but not all are Christians.:-O [22:05] <connied52-VHL> 5imbecoming-- what did you mean on what you read about threats to the family? [22:05] <connie-VHL> did you read the one titled.. has Israel lost the will to live [22:05] <ruachakodesh-VHL> ok...I asked what you may think concerning Mohammed being the False Prophet... [22:06] <HostBob> Good question..... [22:06] <hope-VHL> 7Mohammed WHO???? [22:06] <Kathy-VHL> Yea Mohammed Who [22:06] <Marion-VHL> honor even Jesus said the it was hard for your own to accept the word [22:06] <HostBob> my personal opinion... is that the "False Prophet" will be one who will appeal to people in all of the world's religions [22:06] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2what does Mohammed mean, I thought that it ment God? [22:06] <light2-VHL> You Must Be Born Again [22:06] <Judy-VHL> 12Knock Knock [22:06] <Kathy-VHL> I thought he was the false god tha the Islams believed in [22:07] <hope-VHL> 7from the Koran??? He's dead and gone [22:07] <Rose-VHL> 6Mohammed is dead. [22:07] <light2-VHL> Whos there Judy?? [22:07] <pie-VHL> 13now who is mohammed [22:07] <light2-VHL> :-) [22:07] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Marion, what bood did you get that from? I'd like to read it for my self please, thanks [22:07] <HostBob> Mohammed was the founder of Islam [22:07] <hope-VHL> 7No, the Muslems see him as a prophet not a god [22:07] <ruachakodesh-VHL> If we consider the facts.....Mohammed has as many followers as the Messiah...but....they ascribe to the belief that "G-d has no Son, neither has He need of One" This is inscribed on the Dome of the Rock which sits smack in the Middle of Jerusalem... [22:07] <Judy-VHL> 12Who knows Light2.......just thought of it when they were saying Mohammed who? [22:07] <Marion-VHL> yes honor. We are to give out the word, the Holy Spirit will bring it to harvest. [22:07] <Judy-VHL> 12LOL [22:07] emma-VHL [~emma-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (emma-VHL has left the room) [22:08] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Being born again, does that mean baptism? or ? [22:08] <Marion-VHL> You may not reap but you must plant [22:08] <ruachakodesh-VHL> hope...he may be dead and gone..but his followers arn't.. [22:08] <light2-VHL> I think Honor that Marion meant , a prophet is not without honor except in His own country [22:08] <mytan-VHL> NO Honor. [22:08] <pie-VHL> 13well what's the name of the muslim GOD is it JESUS? [22:08] <HostBob> Yes, Ruach - Islam is sweeping across the world [22:08] <HostBob> Pie, the Muslim (false) God is Allah [22:08] <light2-VHL> Born of the Spirit [22:08] <connie-VHL> Allah [22:08] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Exactly hope.....Mohammed was a prophet...and if you research his teaching's he was a false one at that... [22:08] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6I saw something on america onlines page that said something about threats to the assaud family [22:08] <Rose-VHL> 6One needs to be born naturally and reborn spiritually-reborn [22:09] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2mytan_ sorry what is the no for? again [22:09] <HostBob> they say "they is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet" [22:09] <HostBob> there is [22:09] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6i didn't get to read it all [22:09] <connied52-VHL> 5born again means accepting Jesus into your heart as your Savior, and Lord [22:09] <HostBob> yes, he was a false prophet [22:09] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Bob, thats what I thought also [22:09] <pie-VHL> 13thanks again hostbob i really love this chat line [22:09] <Judy-VHL> 12HonoringGod, when did you become a Christian? I'm just curious, because I have been one a long time, but have learned more in just the last 4 years of my life. [22:09] <hope-VHL> 7It's GOD pie, they never claimed Mohammed was a god......they only believe in ONE God....Allah [22:09] <HostBob> you're welcome, Pie :) [22:09] <mytan-VHL> It means that you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, he died for our sins and rose on the third day and now sits at the right hand of the [22:09] <Marion-VHL> honor...John 4:44 [22:09] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Bob..but as we can see the whole Muslim World follows the teaching's of Mohammed.. [22:10] <Rose-VHL> 6Until we are born again, we are dead in our sins and the wages of sin is death [22:10] <mytan-VHL> Father and that he is coming again for His own. Has nothing to do with baptism. [22:10] <ruachakodesh-VHL> So in a manner of speaking he is still alive through his followers.. [22:10] <connie-VHL> This has been nice... but I have to leave now.. thanks Bob and everyone else for chating [22:10] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Juddy...I am asking these questions so that I can understand other people who are in my family that don't seem to be as fired up about God as I am [22:10] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye Connie. [22:10] <HostBob> Good to have you join us, Connie! [22:10] <HostBob> Shalom! [22:10] <mytan-VHL> Honor the NO was concerning the baptism. [22:10] <Marion-VHL> A prophet has no honow in his own country [22:10] <ruachakodesh-VHL> lila Tov Connie [22:10] <HOPE40-VHL> 5bye Connie [22:10] <connie-VHL> Shalom [22:10] <Marion-VHL> & also many received HIM not [22:10] <Judy-VHL> 12No, I'm just wondering how long you have been a Child of God? [22:11] <light2-VHL> By connie,God Bless, will send you article [22:11] <pie-VHL> 13GO DBLESS CONNIE [22:11] <connie-VHL> Hey,,, ruachakodesh,, what is lila Tov? [22:11] <connied52-VHL> 5bye connie [22:11] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2ok, that is what I thought... [22:11] <ruachakodesh-VHL> lila Tov means ....good-nite... [22:11] <connie-VHL> bye light [22:11] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2mytan [22:11] <HostBob> Ruach, the web site that Light2 has mentioned a few times demonstrates the unification of all of the worlds religions that will characterize the "rebellion" [22:11] <connie-VHL> in what language? [22:12] <mytan-VHL> I am glad. Again Honor, read the 7th chap of Romans. [22:12] <ruachakodesh-VHL> I will check it out...but....one needs to be aware that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.. [22:12] Bezalel-VHL [~Bezalel-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:12] <Rose-VHL> 6Honor, Jesus explains born again in Luke 3 [22:12] <light2-VHL> http://www.millenniumpeacesummit.org/faithsframe.html [22:12] <hope-VHL> 7Pretty scary Ruach! [22:12] <connie-VHL> ruachakodesh,,, what language is that [22:12] <light2-VHL> The Abomination that causes Desolation [22:12] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Judy...I have had a deep desire to know God all my life, and considered myself always to have been a christian...however I have walked other roads of disobiediance, I have been really fired up within the lst few months, really sense I've been studying Bobs site [22:12] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Amen [22:13] <connied52-VHL> 5Praise God [22:13] <called_out-VHL> 10Nothing revives your faith like the Blessed Hope of the return of Jesus [22:13] connie-VHL [~connie-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (connie-VHL has left the room) [22:13] <mytan-VHL> Honor, fellowship helps to keep us all on the right road. [22:13] <ruachakodesh-VHL> hope....yes because we will be tested....no...because the L-rd has it all covered....It is a done deal as one might say...The L-rd of course will be victorious.. [22:13] <light2-VHL> Honor, has there ever been a time in your life when you called upon Jesus to be your Lord and Savior? [22:13] <Judy-VHL> 12Yeah, I've been just really studying within the last 4 years cause of the death of my father...well a little before that. [22:13] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2what do you folks say to those who say that the bible is so open to interpretation that one thing can mean somthing completly differant to another [22:13] <pie-VHL> 13i am really enjoyed myself i must share this site with othersASAP!!!! [22:14] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2yes, [22:14] <HostBob> Great, Pie! :) [22:14] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2of course [22:14] <HostBob> Amen, Called Out :) [22:14] flea-VHL [~flea-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:14] <mytan-VHL> Honor, God says that there is no private interpretation. [22:14] <HostBob> Welcome, Flea! [22:14] <called_out-VHL> 10Honoring, God is not the author of confusion, faith comes by hearing the word of God. Just need to read it like any other book. [22:14] <light2-VHL> Honor, God Speaks thru His word [22:14] <flea-VHL> hi bob [22:14] <ruachakodesh-VHL> I would say...study to shew thyself approved unto G-d..a workmen that needeth not be ashamed...rightly dividing the word of truth... [22:14] <connied52-VHL> 5That those who truly seek the truth, if they really want to find it, they will [22:14] <light2-VHL> And It is holy and living [22:14] <Kathy-VHL> I tell them that scripture interprets scripture [22:15] <HostBob> One of the chatters has asked that we recap the Syrian situation and the implications [22:15] <ruachakodesh-VHL> amen..... [22:15] <HostBob> As you probably know, Hafez Assad died on Saturday [22:15] <hope-VHL> 7go ahead Bob [22:15] <mytan-VHL> Go for it Bob. I missed it too. [22:15] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6judy, I too have had a renewed interest in seeking god since the death of my father just five years ago [22:15] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2mytan.... again tell me what book that is in, for my own reading, you see it seems like I ask about what books these things are in because my memory is not that great, and I spend alot of time reading prophetic books [22:15] <HostBob> after 30 years of autocratic and brutal rule of Syria [22:15] <Rose-VHL> 6God says when we seek him with our whole hearts we will find him [22:15] <pie-VHL> 13was assad a muslim also [22:15] <HostBob> his son Bashar is slated to take over now [22:15] <ruachakodesh-VHL> There are clear patterns in the bible on all the major and minor themes....can't miss them if you are diligently seeking the L-rd....and the L-rd is a rewarder of those that diligently seek him.. [22:15] <HostBob> he is 34 [22:15] <HostBob> yes, Pie [22:16] <HostBob> Bashar is very inexperienced at international politics and governing [22:16] <mytan-VHL> Honor, I will find it for you and get back to you. I understand the need to "know [22:16] <Marion-VHL> honor did you at one point confess your sins & repent & ask Jeus to come intoyour heart & be Lord & savior of your life? [22:16] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2mytan thank you [22:16] <Bill-VHL> I enjoyed being here with all of you tonight. Shalom , God bless all of you, see you in His Kingdom [22:16] <light2-VHL> Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation [22:16] <ruachakodesh-VHL> amen light.. [22:17] <light2-VHL> 2 Pet 1:20 [22:17] <HostBob> he was studying to be an ophtamologist in London when Assad's older son was killed in car crash a few years ago [22:17] <called_out-VHL> 10Se you there Bill. [22:17] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Shalom bill... [22:17] <HOPE40-VHL> 5Shalom Bill [22:17] <hope-VHL> 7goodnight Bill [22:17] <connied52-VHL> 5Bob, what do you think this means in the realm of things as far as prophecy goes(assada death [22:17] <Judy-VHL> 12bye bill [22:17] <HostBob> So he is in a sense a "last minute" replacement [22:17] <pie-VHL> 13thanks again hostbob [22:17] <HostBob> Welcome, Pie :) [22:17] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Marion yes I sure have, in fact I feel that my sins are bad enough that the holy spirit convicts me to renew my vows almost every day, LOL but really yes to answear your qestions [22:17] <HostBob> Connie.... [22:17] mazel-VHL [~mazel-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:17] <Mule-VHL> he would be easily influenced don't you think Bob? [22:17] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6also on aol, they say assads brother wants to take over [22:17] Bill-VHL [~Bill-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Bill-VHL has left the room) [22:18] <HostBob> in general, it will lead to increased instability... [22:18] <HostBob> yes, Mule - there are questions about whether he can be tough and brutal enough to hold onto power the way his father did [22:18] <light2-VHL> I wonder how son will get along with Clinton [22:18] <Rose-VHL> 6Wouldn't he be a "storefront" for the powers that be? [22:18] <light2-VHL> Clinton is a favorite with younger set [22:18] <ruachakodesh-VHL> famously if he can be bought... [22:19] <mytan-VHL> Honor, that is 2 Peter 1:20 [22:19] <connied52-VHL> 5Is it possible with the fact he is not as strong in that realm that it may be good for Israel? [22:19] <HostBob> he was educated in the West, and wants to modernize Syria.... [22:19] <Mule-VHL> I just wonder how he will handle the peace process [22:19] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2thanks alot, I appreciate it very much... mytan [22:19] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Which....I am sure is quite possible...bill has a way of bringing the stubborn around...but couldn't do it with Bibi... [22:19] <HostBob> Here's what I see, Connie, with regard to Israel... [22:20] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Bibi was the best thing that has happened to Israel since the restoration.... [22:20] <mytan-VHL> Honor, also read 2 Timothy 3:16,17 [22:20] <HostBob> in a sense, he is bound by his father's previous harsh stance that they will not accept "peace" until they get the Golan back all the way to the Sea of Galilee [22:20] <Kathy-VHL> Im confused who is Bibi [22:20] <pie-VHL> 13who is bibi [22:20] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2God bless each and everyone of you, your so intuned to God and so thankful for Jesus as I am, it's nioce to be in such good comapny, Amen [22:20] <HostBob> if he backs off from that, he would be harshly criticized for that in Syria [22:21] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2ok [22:21] <HostBob> and the other Arab nations [22:21] <Judy-VHL> 12Are you leaving Tim? [22:21] <HostBob> also... [22:21] <ruachakodesh-VHL> bibi is Benjamin Netanyahu...previous Prime Minister of Israel before Barak... [22:21] <Mule-VHL> good point [22:21] <HostBob> He will not have the latitude his father had... [22:21] <Kathy-VHL> tks [22:21] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Clinton didn't like him....did alot of arm twisting and Bibi was generally pretty staunch.,... [22:21] <pie-VHL> 13xhanks [22:21] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Judy, nope:-)>think I should? [22:21] <mytan-VHL> Glad to be here Honor. [22:21] <HostBob> because his rule is more tenuous, he will have to pay more attention to the hard liners who want no peace with Israel [22:21] <pie-VHL> 13oops thanks [22:21] <HostBob> and thus may be less apt to compromise [22:22] <Judy-VHL> 12No, when you said God Bless, I thought that you were. Sorry. [22:22] <HostBob> because of the political dynamics there [22:22] <connied52-VHL> 5Bob, from prophecy standpoint , is it possible God may turn his heart to not be so much down that line? [22:22] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2No...it's ok I always ask God to bless my brothers and sisters in Jesus [22:22] <HostBob> could be, Connie.... [22:22] <HostBob> but here is what I think may happen... [22:22] <HostBob> remember that Syria controls Lebanon.... [22:22] <HostBob> and has allowed the terrorist group Hezbollah to harass Israel [22:23] <HostBob> Now that Israel has withdrawn from Lebanon.... [22:23] <HostBob> they have served notice that any further activity by Hezbollah out of Lebanon will be viewed harshly [22:23] <HostBob> and Syria will be held responsible for that [22:24] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2I just say, hold on because I believe that the US. will be in involved with war in that region very soon [22:24] <HostBob> if Bashar does not have a good a handle on the Hezzbollah situationas his father... [22:24] <mytan-VHL> Don't you think their withdrawal will be held as a sign of weakness. [22:24] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, would Barak hold the line in Lebanon? [22:24] <HostBob> he might give them too much slack (looking at it from their perspective) and provoke a war [22:24] <HostBob> Yes, Bezalel [22:24] <HostBob> I believe he would [22:24] <Bezalel-VHL> Thanks [22:25] <pie-VHL> 13hostbob was issac older son were a muslim (haggar son)? [22:25] <HostBob> they have spoken often and sternly to that effect [22:25] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Shalom to all and to all Lila Tov... [22:25] <Marion-VHL> because bibi insisted on peace with safty [22:25] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Bob, anyway you look at it Israel is going to be made out to look like the trouble maker...don't you think? [22:25] clintonkenny [~clintonkenny@proxy16.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [22:25] <HOPE40-VHL> 5Shalom ruachakodesh [22:25] <connied52-VHL> 5and any chritstians who support them [22:25] <ruachakodesh-VHL> always works out that way Honering God.. [22:25] <mytan-VHL> Shalom Ruach [22:25] <called_out-VHL> 10Lila Tov ruachakodesh [22:25] <light2-VHL> Pie Ishmael was the older son and father of the arab nation [22:26] <HostBob> Pie, the Muslim religion started in 800 something AD, much later... but many believe that some Arabs are decendants of Ishmael [22:26] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Just want to say that no matter what the facts are Israel is always made out to be the aggressor and the bad guy... [22:26] <HostBob> Yes, Tim, ultimately Israel will probably get the blame [22:26] <mytan-VHL> Thats right light2 [22:26] <HostBob> especially if and when Damacus is obliterated [22:26] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Bob...and that is really nothing new at all... [22:26] <hope-VHL> 7Pie, that's where the Muslems are confused......they believe that THEY are the ones that came from Abraham and Sara, but They are the ones that came from Abraham and Hagar [22:26] <pie-VHL> 13was ishmael a wild child? [22:26] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2 3 [22:26] <Mule-VHL> so War is pretty much a given at some point son [22:26] <HostBob> yeah, pie :) [22:27] <light2-VHL> Just like us Christians Ruach [22:27] <Mule-VHL> soon [22:27] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2 3..................my ten month old wants to type I see [22:27] <pie-VHL> 13thanks hostbob [22:27] <light2-VHL> :-) [22:27] <ruachakodesh-VHL> World opinion will turn against Israel..and she will stand with only those that understand the prophecies concerning her... [22:27] <HostBob> "a wild donkey of a man" is what God himsef said [22:27] mazel-VHL [~mazel-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (mazel-VHL has left the room) [22:27] <connied52-VHL> 5I beleive much of the persecution will come to christians because of siding with Israel [22:27] <ruachakodesh-VHL> light2...what do you mean? [22:27] <light2-VHL> Pretty talented for 10 months honor [22:27] <HostBob> Yes, Ruach [22:27] <pie-VHL> 13thanks hope i really thought that same way [22:27] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2light, yes he is moving the mouse and typing keys already [22:28] <light2-VHL> I mean alot of times us Christians are called the bad guy for speaking the truth [22:28] <Marion-VHL> it was abraham's son [22:28] <called_out-VHL> 10Honoring, your little one must be after my job [22:28] <HostBob> Interesting, isn't it, that all of these things are happening at once? [22:28] <Judy-VHL> 12Much persecution comes to Christians because Satan hates us. Wants to destroy God's children. [22:28] <ruachakodesh-VHL> light...true..but we know the Word says that all who live godly shall suffer persecution.. [22:28] <Judy-VHL> 12Birth Pangs, Bob. [22:29] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2called, LOL he just sees his dad [22:29] <hope-VHL> 7Pie, they think we're the ones that are confused......in fact you'll see alot of Arabs name their children Sara, but you Won't see them name them Hagar [22:29] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2doing it, I guess? [22:29] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6123all things are rushing forward in momentum don't you think [22:29] <HOPE40-VHL> 5the nations that go against Israel will pay the price but what about the christians in that nation who do not believe as they're government does, what will they face(from God I mean) [22:29] <HostBob> In the last month, we have seen the worst Palestinian violence in years, then the withdrawal from Lebanon, and now Assad's death - bang bang bang [22:29] <light2-VHL> Satan lights a match, then starts a forest fire somewhere else [22:29] <pie-VHL> 13so,hostbob the reason i ask that ? i thought how wild and crazy that man in saudi arabi i can't spell his name all i know is the usa fought him well his men in desert storm [22:29] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Bob...WE are truly blessed to be living in a time of many miracles and many of the prophecies coming to pass.. [22:29] <humble_heart-VHL> 12honoring....your little one will soon be chating as well as the rest of us .....lol [22:29] <HostBob> Pie, you mean Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi leader? [22:30] <light2-VHL> He lights to get us all concerned about little things, so he can do lots of trouble under our noses [22:30] Mule-VHL [~Mule-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Mule-VHL has left the room) [22:30] <pie-VHL> 13thanks marion [22:30] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2humble, yep my other 3 yr old knows how to open and close windows and strt and stop her games on line [22:30] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Hope...the cup of trembling is being passed to the nations...Judgement began with and in the house of Israel...and we know how wretched it was for them..watch out nations that don't seek the living G-d of Israel.. [22:30] <Rose-VHL> 6The fields are ripe unto harvest... [22:30] <HostBob> ok - let's change gears a little here.... and talk about Jesus - who is the main subject of Bible prophecy :) [22:31] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Israel [22:31] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2right? [22:31] <HostBob> because all of these things are leading to His return and triumph [22:31] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Jesus [22:31] <connied52-VHL> 5Jesus, we love you [22:31] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2AMEN [22:31] <light2-VHL> Amen come Lord Jesus [22:31] <mytan-VHL> Yes, praise God. [22:31] <called_out-VHL> 10There is something about that Name. [22:31] <HostBob> Who is the King of Glory? [22:31] <hope-VHL> 7JESUS [22:31] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Jesus [22:31] <pie-VHL> 13thanks hope i learn something new espcially about arabs not naming their children hagar [22:31] <Rose-VHL> 6When you see these things coming to past... [22:31] <light2-VHL> Who is the Lord of Lords? [22:31] <HOPE40-VHL> 5JESUS [22:31] <called_out-VHL> 10JESUS [22:31] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 3Isn't he the best thing that has ever happened to your life, he is in mine [22:32] <HostBob> Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. [22:32] <HOPE40-VHL> 5JESUS [22:32] <hope-VHL> 7You're welcome Pie.......I'm married to an Arab [22:32] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2jesus, who is the king of Kings, the lab...the abba? [22:32] <connied52-VHL> 5For every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord [22:32] <HOPE40-VHL> 5JESUS [22:32] <light2-VHL> Amen im [22:32] <Judy-VHL> 12Jesus Christ. [22:32] <HostBob> Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. [22:32] <Rose-VHL> 6Look up-your redemption draweth nigh! [22:32] <HOPE40-VHL> 5JESUS [22:32] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem... [22:32] <light2-VHL> The Rock of our Salvation [22:33] <hope-VHL> 7our ONLY HOPE [22:33] <connied52-VHL> 5For He shall come in glory [22:33] <HostBob> By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear. (Isaiah 45:23 NIV) [22:33] <pie-VHL> 13yes hostbob that's his name saddam hussein i knew his name i just could't spell it:-) [22:33] <HostBob> They will say of me, 'In the LORD alone are righteousness and strength.'" All who have raged against him will come to him and be put to shame. (Isaiah 45:24 NIV) [22:33] <connied52-VHL> 5amen [22:33] <light2-VHL> That Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of God [22:33] <hope-VHL> 7He's from Iraq Pie, not Saudi Arabia ;) [22:34] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 3and that shame will be great will it not Bob [22:34] <called_out-VHL> 10<b For the Word was with God and the Word was God. [22:34] <flea-VHL> nite all....G-d bless [22:34] <ruachakodesh-VHL> Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also, THAT THE THOUGHTS OF MANY HEARTS MAY BE REVEALED... [22:34] <connied52-VHL> 5He sits at the right hand of God ever interceding for our needs [22:34] <Judy-VHL> 12goodnight flea [22:34] <hope-VHL> 7good night Flea [22:34] <light2-VHL> His right arm shall seek out all His enemies [22:34] <HOPE40-VHL> 5NIGHT flea [22:34] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Is their any chance that during the tribulation those who are Christian will be left to witness to others? [22:34] pie-VHL [~pie-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [22:34] <light2-VHL> Nite Flea, God Bless [22:34] flea-VHL [~flea-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (flea-VHL has left the room) [22:34] <ruachakodesh-VHL> OK...REALLY GOING NOW...SHALOM.... [22:34] <HostBob> Amen!!!! [22:34] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2but protected by God? [22:35] <HostBob> Night Flea and Ruach! [22:35] <HostBob> Yes, Tim [22:35] <Judy-VHL> 12bye ruachakodesh [22:35] ruachakodesh-VHL [~ruachakodesh-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (ruachakodesh-VHL has left the room) [22:35] pie-VHL [~pie-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:35] <connied52-VHL> 5only those who become christians after the rapture, i think [22:35] <called_out-VHL> 10Oh yes Horning, there will be tribulation saints, people who will not take the mark of the breast. [22:35] <pie-VHL> 13oops thanks hope still learning [22:35] <light2-VHL> I gotta go to all . Love you all in the Lord, Good Nite and God Keep till we meet again [22:35] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye Light2 [22:35] <mytan-VHL> Goodnight light2. God bless. [22:36] <HostBob> I personally think the rapture and 2nd coming are one single event, that we will be here (the post trib viewpoint) [22:36] <called_out-VHL> 10Good night Light 2, [22:36] <hope-VHL> 7BYE LIGHT [22:36] <HOPE40-VHL> 5God bless you and keep you too light2 [22:36] <light2-VHL> God Bless you all [22:36] <hope-VHL> 7AMEN BOB!!!! [22:36] light2-VHL [~light2-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (light2-VHL has left the room) [22:36] <humble_heart-VHL> 12GBWU........Take care light2 [22:36] <Rose-VHL> 6How will there be Christians here if the Holy Spirit is not here? [22:36] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2I myself have mixed feelings...I want to be raptured, but at the same time I want to be protected by God and witness to others, and see Jesus comming on the clouds of Glory with the other people, so I can say see......I told you he was comming,LOL [22:36] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, with post-trib, would the church be on Earth for the entire tribulation? [22:36] <HostBob> but I know that there are many different understands of that, and we should be able to disagree peaceably :) [22:37] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Rose, good question [22:37] <HostBob> Yes, Bez [22:37] <hope-VHL> 7WHere EXACTLY does it say, Rose, that the Holy Spirit Will NOT be here???? [22:37] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2LOL [22:37] <HOPE40-VHL> 5:-) [22:37] <HostBob> Rose, it does not say "the Holy Spirit will not be here" [22:37] <called_out-VHL> 10But Bob, we are not appointed to the rath of God. [22:37] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2peace [22:37] <HostBob> that's right, called out :) [22:37] <Judy-VHL> 12Holy Spirit is always everywhere. Omnipresent. [22:37] <Marion-VHL> Bob what about the marrage supper [22:38] <connied52-VHL> 5yes we can disagree peacefully on this issue, because it is not a salvation issue [22:38] <hope-VHL> 7I think you did it this time Bob ;) LOL [22:38] <Marion-VHL> & Jesus returning with HIS saints [22:38] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2sorry to open up a can of worms:-O [22:38] <HostBob> the marriage supper is on earth, after Jesus returns..... the Scriptures plainly teach that [22:38] <called_out-VHL> 10I wish we knew everything....We can just do our best to understand.:-) [22:38] <HostBob> yes, Connie :) [22:38] <HOPE40-VHL> 5:-> [22:39] <Doug-VHL> Rose The 2 witnesses will be here, do you not think they will have the Holy Spirit? [22:39] <HostBob> yes, Called - we all have much to learn :) [22:39] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 3now we see through a glass darkly, then face to face [22:39] <Marion-VHL> for any to be saved the HS must then be here [22:39] <HostBob> But we all have the same hope, the same confident expectation of the coming of the Lord [22:39] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Doug, good point [22:39] <pie-VHL> 13what are the 2 wittness name are? [22:39] <HostBob> it does not say, Pie [22:39] <hope-VHL> 7Remember everyone.........the timing of the Rapture is a heated debate......the important thing is TO BE READY [22:39] <HOPE40-VHL> 5Amen , even so Lord Jesus come quickly [22:39] <Judy-VHL> 12Hey Rose, I once heard that too, about the Holy Spirit, but then I learned differently. [22:39] <HostBob> yes, hope :) [22:40] <Rose-VHL> 6Looking for my scripture group [22:40] <pie-VHL> 13thanks again hostbob [22:40] <Marion-VHL> verses please Bob [22:40] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2do you think that if we ask God to leave us here to do his work and witness to save others by his saving grace that he would do it? [22:40] <HostBob> For the marriage supper? [22:40] <HostBob> ok, hold on [22:40] <called_out-VHL> 10Just so we get to see JESUS [22:40] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2so thta we could see him comming also on the clouds of Glory? [22:41] <Judy-VHL> 12What is a scripture Group, ROSE? [22:41] Bezalel-VHL [~Bezalel-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Bezalel-VHL has left the room) [22:41] <HostBob> ok, first, from Isaiah 25, talking about what happens after Jesus returns.... [22:41] Bezalel-VHL [~Bezalel-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:41] <Marion-VHL> yes Bob [22:41] <Rose-VHL> 6I was addressing the room as a group [22:41] <HostBob> On this mountain the LORD Almighty will prepare a feast of rich food for all peoples, a banquet of aged wine-- the best of meats and the finest of wines. On this mountain he will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations; he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth. The LORD has spoken. In that day they will say, "Surely this is our [22:41] <HostBob> God; we trusted in him, and he saved us. This is the LORD, we trusted in him; let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation." (Isaiah 25:6-9) [22:41] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh, LOL [22:41] <hope-VHL> 7We WILL see Him coming through the clouds!!!! Remember I said that ;) (of course if He comes in our generation) [22:42] <HostBob> "On this mountain" - the mountain of the Lord, where Jesus will reighn [22:42] <HostBob> that is where the supper will take place [22:42] Oldpilgrim-VHL [~Oldpilgrim-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:42] <HostBob> on earth [22:42] <HostBob> after he returns to reign [22:42] <HostBob> also in Revelations 19 [22:42] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2hope do you think he won't come in this generation...remember the generation has to do with Israel [22:42] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2right?bob [22:43] <HostBob> We don't know when, Tim... soon [22:43] <called_out-VHL> 10Bob, that is interesting, first time i have heard that, I thought supper would take place in heaven. [22:43] <HostBob> In Rev 19.... [22:43] <Rose-VHL> 6While I'm looking, I'm thinking two groups when Jesus returns too. The dead shall rise first then then the living will join him in the air, right, wrong? [22:43] <hope-VHL> 7I truly believe we are LITERALLY living in the end times...... I believe we WILL see Him, but of course, that's me ;) [22:43] <hope-VHL> 7Honoring [22:43] <HostBob> The invitation to the wedding supper..... [22:43] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2rose- right [22:43] <connied52-VHL> 5Well, one thing for sure, we someday will know as we partake of the goodness of God, whatever His timing is on the rapture. [22:43] <HostBob> is RIGHT BEFORE Jesus rides out on the white horse (the 2nd coming) [22:44] <HostBob> not during the trib in heaven [22:44] imbecomingnew-VHL [~imbecomingnew-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (imbecomingnew-VHL has left the room) [22:44] <HostBob> Yes, Connie :) [22:45] <Judy-VHL> 12I am going to take my leave now. See you all later. God Bless. [22:45] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2by Judy [22:45] <connied52-VHL> 5It's all so wonderful to think about, just being with Jesus [22:45] <hope-VHL> 7Goodnight JUDY!!! my buddy!!! ;) [22:45] <HostBob> Night Judy! See you next time sister! :) Shalom :) [22:45] <called_out-VHL> 10I thought Jesus raptures the church and then the first half of the trib and then Jesus comes back with us with him and this is called the Glorious Appearing [22:45] <Bezalel-VHL> Bob, is the Rapture in Revelations? Or is it derived from other books? [22:45] sugy-VHL [~sugy-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:45] <called_out-VHL> 10nite Judy. [22:45] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye Bye all. [22:45] <mytan-VHL> Goodnight Judy. [22:45] Judy-VHL [~Judy-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Judy-VHL has left the room) [22:45] <HOPE40-VHL> 5night Judy [22:46] sugy-VHL [~sugy-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (sugy-VHL has left the room) [22:46] <HostBob> Bez, my viewpoint is that the rapture and the "glorious appearing" as Called out said are one event, not 2 [22:46] sugy-VHL [~sugy-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:46] <hope-VHL> 7called....there is two sites that you might want to visit www.zionshope.org and www.signministries.org [22:46] sugy-VHL [~sugy-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (sugy-VHL has left the room) [22:46] <called_out-VHL> 10Just so we get to see Jesus [22:46] <HostBob> Called, what you have described is the pre-trib viewpoint, held by many Christians [22:46] <HostBob> yes, we will!!! :) [22:47] <HOPE40-VHL> 5matthew 24:30 [22:47] <connied52-VHL> 5The word "rapture'" comes from the greek/hebrew word meaning to be caught up, i beleive [22:47] <HostBob> Yes, Connie - there will be a rapture - 1 Thess 4 makes that clear [22:47] <called_out-VHL> 10I think it is wonderful in Rev. when God says to John "Come up Here" I love that. [22:47] <HostBob> it's just a question of when it happens in the scheme of things [22:48] <HostBob> 1 Thess 4 says nothing about it being pre-trib [22:48] <called_out-VHL> 10I think the rapture will be a lot like that....Jesus will say "Come up here" [22:48] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2listen to this... jvim says that in the news paper china and America may go to war, and that a 1/3 of the world will be destroyed, the world population is 6 billion, so what is 2 billion from 6? a thrid, so we are in the end times [22:48] <hope-VHL> 7There is a GREAT book, The Rapture Question Answered Plain and Simple by Robert Van Kampen all Pretribers should read.... [22:48] Oldpilgrim-VHL [~Oldpilgrim-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [22:48] <HostBob> and it uses a lot of the same terminology that Jesus does in Matthew 24 when he describes his 2nd coming after the tribulation period [22:49] <Doug-VHL> I thought that 1 Thess 4: is the definitive chapter saying that the rapture does not take place until after Antichrist proclaims himself God on Mt Zion? [22:49] <Rose-VHL> 6The verse I was looking for is II Thess. 4:7 [22:49] <called_out-VHL> 10Thanks, Hope, I will get it from my public library...they have most books. [22:49] <HostBob> close, Doug - that's 2 Thess chapter 2 [22:49] <hope-VHL> 7The OPENING of the Seals in Revelation PARALLELs Matthew 24 the next time you all read it, read them both [22:49] <connied52-VHL> 5it's interesting to see everyone's viewpoint on the rapture. I have found through studying there are scriptures that seem to support all three views on this, esp. pre and post trib [22:49] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2but, a third would be destroyed thta was prpphecied about before their was even a billion people on earth [22:50] <Doug-VHL> Sorry, I meant 2 Thess 2: [22:50] <hope-VHL> 7You'll find that one Called at the www.signministries.org or at the www.zionshope.org I don't think the library has them [22:50] <HostBob> and yes, Doug, it does say in 2 Thess 2 that our "gathering to Him" (the rapture) will not happen until AFTER the antichrist is revealed (Post-Trib) [22:50] <called_out-VHL> 10Thanks Hope. [22:51] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2see, I new it all along [22:51] <Rose-VHL> 6...only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. [22:51] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2that s what I've been thinking this whole time [22:51] <hope-VHL> 7I tend to lean more PreWrath than Post, but they are almost the same [22:51] <HostBob> Yes, Rose - there is debate about what that means [22:51] <pie-VHL> 13well good nite to all . and to you hostbob may GOD bless you for what you are doing , i havr learn alot i really enjoyed myself i wish i didn't have to go but i must go and feed myself with GOD HOLY WORDS everyone was so helpful and freindly and there was not 1 bored moment G theg' [22:52] <Doug-VHL> Thanks Bob, it certainly seems like we are out numbered in our post trib view. [22:52] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2night pie, God Bless you [22:52] <Rose-VHL> 6Thanks for the patience while I located it. [22:52] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2thanks for joining in [22:52] <mytan-VHL> Shalom pie. [22:52] <HOPE40-VHL> 5Good night and God Bless you pie [22:52] <HostBob> Night Pie!!! [22:52] <called_out-VHL> 10But, imagine how bad the tribulation will be. I can not imagine the Rath of God. The rivers turing to Blood and nothing to drink. [22:52] <HostBob> Come back again, Pie! :) [22:52] <called_out-VHL> 10Nite Pie. [22:52] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2called, store up on bottled water [22:52] <pie-VHL> 13now this will be my bible study site from now on and i will pass this on to all my christian sister/brother [22:53] <HostBob> Called out... think of Elijah... how long did it not rain when he prayed? [22:53] <humble_heart-VHL> 12GBU...Pie [22:53] <hope-VHL> 7Rose, many believe that the one who will be taken out of the way will be Michael (the angel) READ Daniel 12:1-3 [22:53] <pie-VHL> 13i will come back [22:53] pie-VHL [~pie-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (pie-VHL has left the room) [22:53] <called_out-VHL> 10Thanks Honoring, I don't think the bottles will make it through the earthquakes. This is very serious stuff Huh. [22:53] <Rose-VHL> 6Israel's angel? [22:54] <called_out-VHL> 10something like 40 years. [22:54] <HostBob> 3 1/2 years, right? [22:54] <Kathy-VHL> do yall have the link to the earth site that shows the earth quakes and disasters daily [22:54] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2yep, do you know tht there has been 3-4 earth quakes in the last few weeks? [22:54] <HostBob> coincidence? [22:54] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2nope [22:54] <Kathy-VHL> there was 7 on one day last week [22:54] <HostBob> Elijah was a man just like us. He prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the land for three and a half years. (James 5:17 NIV) [22:54] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Kathy, diden't realize that mean [22:54] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2many [22:55] <HostBob> And during that time, did God sustain him? [22:55] <called_out-VHL> 10Yep [22:55] <HostBob> how? [22:55] <Doug-VHL> Called Out You might consider looking at Revelation 17:15 where it states that the waters symbolize people, the seas that turn to blood are speaking of people not literal seas. [22:55] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2Doug, are you sure? [22:55] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2people turn into blood? [22:56] <HostBob> That may be the case, Doug, but I always took that literally [22:56] <hope-VHL> 7Called,.......the "Rapture" takes place at the SIXTH seal......Revelation 8:12......you are talking about the Trumpets and the BOWLS which come AFTER the Sixth seal.....God's Wrath does NOT begin until the Sixth seal or the opening of the Seventh [22:56] <mytan-VHL> Yes, people turn to blood if you damage them enough. [22:56] <called_out-VHL> 10I took it as literal earthquakes, grasshoppers and rivers turned to Blood, Blood up to the necks of horses. This is serious stuff. [22:56] <Rose-VHL> 6Doesn't Michael in Daniel 12 represent Christ? [22:56] <Doug-VHL> That is the way I look at it? [22:56] <HostBob> :) Mytan [22:56] <Kathy-VHL> http://www.discovery.com/news/earthalert/earthalert.html [22:56] <HostBob> that's ok - that's why we discuss, to hear perspectives [22:56] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2me too [22:57] <mytan-VHL> :-)Bob [22:57] <HostBob> none of us are the final authority on prophecy interpretation [22:57] <connied52-VHL> 5either people have to have some inclinations something is going on with all the disasters or they have numbed themselves to what 's happening, because they don't want to think about what it could mean, or may there totally in the dark [22:57] <HostBob> Rose, I think it's talking about the angel Michael there [22:57] <hope-VHL> 7Doug, I take it literally [22:58] nega-VHL [~nega-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:58] <called_out-VHL> 10I love talking to everyone. I am open minded, but not so open minded that my brains fall out...Ha.. [22:58] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2I take it literally unless it says key words like, AS or LIKE to discrib somthing [22:58] <hope-VHL> 7no Rose, it's not talking about Christ there [22:58] <HostBob> Michael apparently has been assigned a special role as Israel's protector, right? [22:58] <nega-VHL> it's me!!! Shalom all!!! [22:58] <Bezalel-VHL> Connie, look at the lack of news coverage about mid-east events. The general news programs have very little. [22:58] <HostBob> LOL Called [22:58] <HostBob> Nega! It's you!!!! [22:58] <mytan-VHL> Hey Nega. Welcome back. [22:58] <HostBob> We have missed your unique wit :) [22:59] <hope-VHL> 7Right BOB [22:59] <connied52-VHL> 5Do they do that on purpose, or are they just blind [22:59] <nega-VHL> 13yes Bob-O :) [22:59] <HostBob> :) [22:59] <Doug-VHL> Revelation 11:6 Speaks of the 2 witnesses turning water to blood? Help me out on that? [22:59] <nega-VHL> 13Hi y 'all!!! [22:59] <HostBob> But... unfortunately..... I must leave now :( [22:59] <humble_heart-VHL> 12Well everyone, I'm gonna go check out the chit-chat room........May God Bless You And Keep You All.....good night........:-) [22:59] <HostBob> Night, Humble! [22:59] <nega-VHL> 13thanx :) but I really couldnt make it :( [22:59] <mytan-VHL> They are blind connied [22:59] <called_out-VHL> 10Shalom Nega. [22:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2connie, I think people are just to wraped up in their own "stuff" [22:59] <nega-VHL> 13nite Bob!! [23:00] <HostBob> I told my wife I'd quit at 11 PM tonight [23:00] <HOPE40-VHL> 5connie the unbelievers do not want to hear it I've tryed to talk to them about the earth increased events and they have told me this they do not like to think about it. [23:00] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2night, nega [23:00] <hope-VHL> 7Rose, I used to believe the same as you......because that is what I have always been taught,,,,,but I questioned it, and that made me REALLY study His word [23:00] <HostBob> so... thanks for another invigorating chat session, everyone! [23:00] humble_heart-VHL [~humble_heart-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [23:00] <mytan-VHL> Good night Bob. [23:00] <Bezalel-VHL> Connie, I believe it is mostly with a purpose. The secular news types don't want to believe anything relligion has to offer [23:00] <Rose-VHL> 6Goodnight to those leaving. Peace and grace [23:00] <nega-VHL> 13you better keep your promisse to Mrs Bob [23:00] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2night [23:00] <HostBob> and catch the transcript tomorrow for what you missed [23:00] <HonoringGod-VHL> 2GBU Bob [23:00] <connied52-VHL> 5It's good to see you honor your wife it is a good thing [23:00] <HostBob> yes, indeed!!! Nega! :) [23:00] <connied52-VHL> 5night, bob [23:00] <Bezalel-VHL> Bye Bob [23:01] <HOPE40-VHL> 5Good night and God bless you to all those who are leaving [23:01] <HostBob> Remember, Thursday night with Stan, live from Jerusalem! [23:01] <hope-VHL> 7;) BOB [23:01] <Rose-VHL> 6Good to know Hope, I appreciate your honesty *** Log file closed: 6/12/00 11:01:50 PM
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