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[19:40] <HostBob> Shalom!

[19:41] <jazene-VHL> 3:->This early bird is saying good evening to everyone.

[19:41] <HostBob> Hello Jazene!

[19:41] <jazene-VHL> 3How are you doing tonight Bob?

[19:42] <HostBob> I'm doing well, thanks!! Spent some time at the pool today with friends and family :)

[19:42] <HostBob> How are you?

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[19:42] <Judy-VHL> 2Hello

[19:42] <HostBob> Welcome, Judy!

[19:42] <jazene-VHL> 3Sounds like fun. I had to work but just got back from vacation in Tn.

[19:43] <jazene-VHL> 3Hey Judy

[19:43] <Judy-VHL> 2Hi everyone

[19:43] <HostBob> Everyone feeling rested and ready to chat? :)

[19:44] <Judy-VHL> 2Pretty much so. I can't believe work already tomorrow. Weekends go by so fast.

[19:45] <Judy-VHL> 2I'd love for my husband to take the kids away for 2 weeks and I would sleep the time away. You ever feel like that?

[19:45] <HostBob> I just snatched a piece of peach cobbler my wife made today... MMMMMMM

[19:45] <Judy-VHL> 2Not fair, Bob.

[19:45] <HostBob> :)

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[19:45] <HostBob> Hey, Tim, how are ya!

[19:45] <HonoringGod-VHL> Good evening or good day to one and all

[19:45] <jazene-VHL> 3I guess let me throw out the first question of the night. Where in the bible according to phrophecy does it talk about their will be wars and rumors of wars?:-) Bob you have to share.:-)

[19:46] <HostBob> Jesus said that, Jazene.....

[19:46] <Judy-VHL> 2Hi Tim. Did you get the article on the Skull and Bones Society?

[19:46] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hi Bob Good!, nice to be back on Monday, I really miss the chat the rest of the week.

[19:46] <HostBob> When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. (Mark 13:7 NIV)

[19:46] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hi Judy Yes I did thank you

[19:46] <HostBob> Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains. (Mark 13:8 NIV)

[19:47] <HostBob> notice how he said we are to react? "do not be alarmed"

[19:47] <jazene-VHL> 3Well what about the situation that is going on right now over in Isreal?

[19:47] <HostBob> even if those things are happening all around you

[19:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> Ok, Bob I had a question last week, I think I asked it after you had left, but I want to try again

[19:47] <Judy-VHL> 2I don't ever think I've seen so much strife in the world. Unrest seems to be in just about every nation.

[19:47] <HostBob> "birth pains"

[19:48] <HostBob> Here's what it says in Luke...

[19:48] <HonoringGod-VHL> Good point, Bob... I read that too

[19:48] <HonoringGod-VHL> that is not to be alarmed

[19:48] <HostBob> When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away." Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. - Jesus

[19:49] <HostBob> As you probably know, the US is on the verge of a severe drought

[19:49] <Judy-VHL> 2We are getting some of all the signs mentioned now.

[19:49] <HonoringGod-VHL> My question is, so that I can get it out of the way.

[19:49] <Judy-VHL> 2Really? Drought?

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[19:49] <HostBob> could it be God's way of showing us how presumptuous we are, assuming that we will always have plenty?

[19:50] <HonoringGod-VHL> when we(christians) die in body, we are presumed to go to heaven in spirit.

[19:50] <HostBob> Welcome, mytan!

[19:50] <HostBob> Yes, Tim

[19:50] <Judy-VHL> 2We certainly won't know how to react without, will we Bob?

[19:50] <HostBob> right, Judy

[19:50] <HonoringGod-VHL> when Jesus comes back (second comming), the dead in christ rise from the earth first

[19:50] <Mytan-VHL> 4Thank you Bob, it is good to be back.

[19:50] <HostBob> Here in Tampa, we are in a severe drought already

[19:51] <HostBob> Yes, Tim

[19:51] <HonoringGod-VHL> is that meaning the bodies of the dead, or the spirit, If we have already gone to heaven in spirit then we can't or their would be no reason for us to rise twice in spirit

[19:51] <HonoringGod-VHL> If that means literally bodies, then how might that work?

[19:52] <HostBob> When Jesus returns, according to 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4, the bodies of the dead believers will be resurrected

[19:52] <Mytan-VHL> 4Through God all things are possible.

[19:52] <Judy-VHL> 2But Bob, don't the dead in Christ rise at the Rapture? Not necessarily the Second Coming? I guess it depends on your view of when the Rapture occurs.

[19:52] <HostBob> a new kind of body

[19:52] <HonoringGod-VHL> so in supernatural power of God, the bodies of the dead even those who are decade, burned mutilated will be in a new form?

[19:53] <HostBob> Yes, Judy - if those passages describe a pre-trib rapture, it happens then - otherwise, it is at His 2nd coming

[19:53] <jazene-VHL> 3One that will be without blimish:-) Praise the Lord.

[19:53] <HonoringGod-VHL> Judy... thats what I meant to say

[19:53] <HostBob> Yes, Tim, that's how I understand it

[19:53] <HonoringGod-VHL> (during the rapture

[19:53] <Mytan-VHL> 4Remember, Christ's body also rose. He appeared later in His supernatural body.

[19:54] <HonoringGod-VHL> Do you think we will see the puncture wounds, in Christs rists?

[19:54] <Mytan-VHL> 4If He chooses to show them.

[19:54] <HostBob> So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;

[19:54] <HostBob> it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. - 1 Corinthians 15

[19:54] <HonoringGod-VHL> or will all past trama to the body be made to be unseen?

[19:55] <Mytan-VHL> 4Amen Bob.

[19:55] <HostBob> I don't know, Tim - I imagine they will be brand new, glorious

[19:55] <HostBob> without defect

[19:55] <HonoringGod-VHL> ok, thanks bob

[19:55] <HonoringGod-VHL> :-)

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[19:56] <HostBob> 1 Corinthians 15 is an excellent description of what happens :)

[19:56] <HostBob> Hey Gran!

[19:56] <HostBob> Looks like you got in easier this week!

[19:56] <Gran-VHL> :) Hi Bob finally got in

[19:56] <Gran-VHL> compuiter is acting strange agaiin

[19:56] <HostBob> Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

[19:56] <Mytan-VHL> 4Hello Gran. How long did it take this week.

[19:56] <HostBob> More good news for 1 Cor 15 :)

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[19:57] <HostBob> Welcome, Sugy!

[19:57] <HonoringGod-VHL> So does anyone have anything interesting they have learned over the past week, about Israel, and Syria,Pal?

[19:57] <Gran-VHL> :) well I try to get inearly didn't really take too long once i got my compter working right

[19:57] <HostBob> Yes, Tim, lots of developments this week

[19:57] <sugy-VHL> 12thank you...hello everyone

[19:57] <Mytan-VHL> 4Having problems with it Gran? Hello Sugy.

[19:57] <HonoringGod-VHL> Bob I read your article last week about Israel, I thought it was well done.

[19:57] <Gran-VHL> :) Mytan shalom and sugy and honoring

[19:57] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hi Gran

[19:58] <HostBob> Did you all get Stan's updates today? He's having trouble with his email send program

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[19:58] <Gran-VHL> :) trying to eat supper so I may be slow for a while

[19:58] <HostBob> Welcome, awarrior

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[19:58] <sugy-VHL> 12I got two...lol

[19:58] <HostBob> Hello, Wanna!

[19:58] <HostBob> :) Sugy

[19:58] <awarrior-VHL> thnaks, i am new at this. I will just listen, for awhile

[19:58] <Judy-VHL> 2You mean Stan sends out e mail to the people who come into the room?

[19:58] <HostBob> Thanks, Tim

[19:58] <Gran-VHL> :() Wanna and awarrior Howdee

[19:59] <HostBob> Stan sends an email out to all who have registered on VHL, I believe

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[19:59] <jazene-VHL> 3Hey gran

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[19:59] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Shalom Sweet Friends!!

[19:59] <HostBob> Welcome Vikki, and Rain!

[19:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hi awarrior, where are you joining us from?

[19:59] <Judy-VHL> 2I never get it.

[19:59] <Gran-VHL> :) Oh hi jazene judy gosh you are so quite

[19:59] <Mytan-VHL> 4Shalom to all the many who have entered.

[19:59] <Vikki-VHL> hi everyone

[19:59] <Judy-VHL> 2Hi Gran, how was your weekend?????

[19:59] <Gran-VHL> :) Hi vikki rain light simon

[19:59] <awarrior-VHL> awarrior from Florence, ala. here

[19:59] <rain-VHL> Hi

[19:59] <Judy-VHL> 2Hello to all the newcomers!!!!

[20:00] <HostBob> Here's one news item:

[20:00] <rain-VHL> Hi Judy - how are you doing??

[20:00] <HostBob> Today's Jerusalem Post picks up on a London Sunday Times report of May

[20:00] <HostBob> 28 that Syria is training Palestinians to attack Israel. "Analysts are

[20:00] <HostBob> warning of a full-scale war between Israel and Syria following revelations

[20:00] <HostBob> that Palestinians are being trained at camps nearDamascus for cross-border

[20:00] <HostBob> attacks from Lebanon..."

[20:00] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Hi everyone who inters this blessed discussion

[20:00] <Judy-VHL> 2Pretty good, Rain. You?

[20:00] <Gran-VHL> :) awarrior Florence where

[20:00] <awarrior-VHL> Florence, Alabama here

[20:00] <Gran-VHL> :) Bob I guess the war is not far off at least for some

[20:00] <rain-VHL> 10Sweating it out here in Colorado - recordbreaking 90's

[20:01] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Where are you in Colo. Rain?

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> :) Oh well that is another city I was not aware of

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[20:01] <HostBob> I think it's going to explode soon, Gran

[20:01] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Bob, can you elaberate on that full scale war thing?

[20:01] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6please

[20:01] <Judy-VHL> 2Today it has been in mid to upper 60's here, Rain.

[20:01] <grizzman-VHL> shalom my friends

[20:01] <rain-VHL> 10Wanna- Colorado Springs

[20:01] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Rain...I'm in Denver!!

[20:01] <Mytan-VHL> 4Hey Grizz. Good to see you back.

[20:01] <rain-VHL> 10Judy - can I come back home?!?

[20:02] <HostBob> I was reading an analyis by Time mag on the situation.. they did a decent job.. here is the URL for you to look at later.... http://www.time.com/time/daily/special/look/0,2633,46110,00.html

[20:02] <rain-VHL> 10How hot was Denver today - Wanna

[20:02] <Judy-VHL> 2Yep

[20:02] <Gran-VHL> :) Yes Bob it sure sounds like it

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[20:02] <Judy-VHL> 2Rain, come on home!!!!

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[20:02] <Judy-VHL> 2HELLO HOPE.

[20:02] <HostBob> Tim, Israel has given severe warnings to Syria that if ANYTHING happens across the border, they will be held responsible

[20:02] <Judy-VHL> 2Good to see you, FINALLY.

[20:02] <hope-VHL> Hi JUDY!!!! ;) MISS YOU

[20:03] <Judy-VHL> 2Miss you, too.

[20:03] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Bob, Is there a date for the possible war?

[20:03] <Mytan-VHL> 4Good for Israel!

[20:03] <HostBob> No date, Wanna, but the situation appears ominous now

[20:03] <grizzman-VHL> tonight my heart is so heavy after reading the pages of the news i am so worried about ISREAL

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> :) grizz my man how are you

[20:04] <Gran-VHL> :) hope shalom

[20:04] <rain-VHL> 10Hi hope ... how are you?

[20:04] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Do you think it will happen as soon as this week?? And who is involved in the training ?

[20:04] <HostBob> Yes, Grizz I feel the same way..... but remember ultimately it's God's doing

[20:04] <hope-VHL> 3Hi everyone! ;) I'm happy to be here!

[20:04] <Judy-VHL> 2Rain, I still have to e mail you about last week. I will get to it.

[20:05] <sugy-VHL> 1213grizz, yes mine also, we all need to be in constant prayer for the safety of the people there.

[20:05] <Gran-VHL> :) Bob thanks for the website. Are those commas or periods between the numbers I just can't tell

[20:05] <HostBob> Hezbollah (a fundamentalist Shiite Muslim terrorist group) is now training some of the 300,000 Palestinians in Lebanon

[20:05] <Gran-VHL> sugy shalom

[20:05] <grizzman-VHL> syria is putting together a new type scud please GOD protect your loved ones in your country

[20:05] <Gran-VHL> :) yes oh Lord

[20:05] <rain-VHL> 10I'll wait patiently (honest), Judy ... I know your life is busy ...;-)

[20:05] <hope-VHL> 3is it 300,000 Bob, man, I read 30,000 boy were they wrong!

[20:05] <HostBob> commas I think - ask me for it again later, or email me and I'll get you the link

[20:05] <HostBob> 300,000

[20:05] <jazene-VHL> 3Amen Grizz

[20:06] <HostBob> Yes, Grizz...

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> :) thanks dear

[20:06] <Judy-VHL> 2Plus, I am downright lazy, Rain.

[20:06] <hope-VHL> 3UNBELIEVABLE!!!

[20:06] <HostBob> Ha'aretz

[20:06] <HostBob> North Korea has supplied a new, longer-range Scud ballistic missile to Syria and is in negotiations to sell the weapon to Egypt as well.

[20:06] <HostBob> The Scud D, whose range is estimated to be 700 kilometers was unknown until recently. The original missile, which was made by the Soviet Union, is known as the Scud B, and most Arab countries with Scuds have Scud B missiles in their arsenals. Its range is approximately 300 kilometers.

[20:06] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Bob, are they from all over the Mid east?

[20:06] <HostBob> North Korea developed a newer version, the Scud C, with a range of 500 kilometers. Syria acquired that version and has begun assembling them in a local plant set up by the North Koreans. It is also possible that Syria has begun producing Scud parts. Western sources estimate that Egypt has also become involved in producing Scud C missiles.

[20:06] <sugy-VHL> 13yes Lord....place your hedge of protection around them

[20:06] <HostBob> Wanna, the ones that are being trained now live in Lebanon, though there are groups all over

[20:07] <awarrior-VHL> I am interceding for you, my brother.Pleading the Blood of Jesus over you.

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[20:07] <HostBob> Welcome, Liz!

[20:07] <Liz-VHL> Hi Bob

[20:07] <Liz-VHL> +9

[20:07] <Gran-VHL> :) Hey all you US citizens you need to be made aware of something else that slick Willie has done to us

[20:08] <HostBob> Syria has recently made many moves to upgrade its military

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> the us has to have permission from Russia for us to make more missles

[20:08] <sugy-VHL> 13what's that Gran?

[20:08] <rain-VHL> 10I have ceased to be amazed by the fact that all of these countries like North Korea will let their people starve while they just beef up the muscle of their military and it's arsenals!!!

[20:08] <HostBob> Yes, Rain, isn't that sad?

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[20:08] <Gran-VHL> :) There are I believe it is 6 or 7 countries that has missile capabilies that we do not have protection from

[20:09] <HostBob> And the Bible prophets had much to say to rulers who neglected the welfare of their subjects while increasing their own power

[20:09] <rosesharon-VHL> 6good evening everyone

[20:09] <HostBob> Welcome nuggets, and rose!

[20:09] <Liz-VHL> sorry Bob I'm so new at this and my cat just jumped on the keyboard that explains the +9

[20:09] <Gran-VHL> howdee roses

[20:09] <HostBob> LOL Liz - first time we had a contribution from a cat :)

[20:09] <hope-VHL> 3hi rosesharon1

[20:09] <Gran-VHL> :) Hi nuggets shalom

[20:09] <Mytan-VHL> 4Hello Rose. How are you this week?

[20:09] <Judy-VHL> 2Hey ROSESHARON!!!! How are you doing?

[20:10] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hello

[20:10] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Bob , would you go to

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[20:10] <HostBob> We're glad you joined us, Liz!

[20:10] <HostBob> Welcome, Elmoe!

[20:10] <rosesharon-VHL> 6doing fine and all of you

[20:10] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6wow, I went down stairs to greet my wife , and the room really filed up

[20:10] <elmoe-VHL> hello hostbob

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> :) Hi Liz and welcome to your cat also

[20:10] <Judy-VHL> 2Wow, new people all the time............

[20:10] <Mytan-VHL> 4Blessed.

[20:10] <HostBob> Yes, we've got a great group going already here!

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> :) My misty cat would say hello if she could type

[20:10] <Liz-VHL> thanks Bob...this is going so fast for me...but I will try and keep up..are you in Israel?

[20:11] <HostBob> The big news this week, once again, is the situation in Lebanon and Syria

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> :) yes nearly a full room Bob mondays are so good

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> :) yes

[20:11] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Bob, funny how people think your from Israel,LOL

[20:11] <rain-VHL> 10Hi light2 and roseharon, HonoringGod, jazene and all the others

[20:11] <HostBob> no, Liz, I'm in Tampa - Stan, the host on Thursdays is in Jerusalem

[20:11] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Go Bob

[20:11] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Bob, remind everyone what the BIG news is,Ok:-)

[20:11] <HostBob> Hang on for the ride, Liz - sometimes it can fly by

[20:11] <jazene-VHL> 3good evening rain

[20:11] <Liz-VHL> we are neihgbors,I'm in New Smyrna Beach

[20:12] <HostBob> :)

[20:12] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6I love this .....From, Psalm 121.....It's so encouraging!!!

[20:12] <hope-VHL> 3Yeah, start over Bob, 7 minutes is a big deal here! LOL

[20:12] <rain-VHL> 10Bob I heard on the news Florida has 30 wildfires - hoping none of them are near you ...

[20:12] <Liz-VHL> no they are all over here by me

[20:12] <HostBob> Another news item: The Associated Press is reporting growing tensions on Israel's border

[20:12] <HostBob> with Lebanon: "A Muslim guerrilla gunned down a Christian man on Sunday and Israeli border soldiers wounded at least two people in growing tensions underlining the fragility of security conditions in the newly liberated

[20:12] <HostBob> Lebanese territory."

[20:12] <HostBob> ok, Hope, I will...

[20:12] <HostBob> Today's Jerusalem Post picks up on a London Sunday Times report of May

[20:12] <HostBob> 28 that Syria is training Palestinians to attack Israel. "Analysts are

[20:12] <HostBob> warning of a full-scale war between Israel and Syria following revelations

[20:12] <HostBob> that Palestinians are being trained at camps nearDamascus for cross-border

[20:12] <HostBob> attacks from Lebanon..."

[20:13] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6"Rain on.... I will not drown, I'm on solid ground, rain on..rain on I'm on solid ground"

[20:13] <Liz-VHL> My sister is leaving for Israel on Thursday...I may meet her over there

[20:13] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6What is Irael doing around Damascus?

[20:13] <HostBob> Not only is Hezbollah saying they will continue the attacks on Jerusalem, but now they are assisting in the formation of new Palestinian terrorist groups based in Lebanon

[20:13] <HostBob> What do you mean, Wanna?

[20:13] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Are they protecting?

[20:14] <Mytan-VHL> 4Are you jewish Liz or just visiting?

[20:14] <hope-VHL> 3By the way Bob, GREAT article you wrote "War on the Horizon", I love it!

[20:14] <HostBob> Thanks, Hope

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[20:14] <HostBob> The Bible has much to say about this situation

[20:14] <HostBob> Welcome, Lin!

[20:14] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6thas the one I read as well, Bob ...very nice

[20:14] <HostBob> Wanna, Syria is the occupying power in Lebanon - they control the puppet governemtn there...

[20:15] <HostBob> Damascus is the capital of Syria

[20:15] <Liz-VHL> visiting..grafted in by the blood of the Lamb!

[20:15] <rain-VHL> 10Yes Bob, I just read it before coming on

[20:15] <Mytan-VHL> 4Amen, Liz. Will keep you and sis in prayer.

[20:15] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Thx Bob, I thot Damacus was part of Israel, thx for clarifying

[20:15] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6So this visit by Clinton to Russia, & talks with Putnin, what do you think will come from that ? anyone...

[20:15] <HostBob> you're welcome :)

[20:16] <HostBob> someday it will be, Wanna :)

[20:16] <HostBob> according to the Bible

[20:16] <lin-VHL> Thanks Bob, This is the first time I"m here

[20:16] <HostBob> We are glad you are, Lin!

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> :) Well I hope the UN makes Syria get out of Lebanon

[20:16] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Yes!!!

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> :) But somehow I just don't believe that that will happen

[20:16] <HostBob> Gran, Syria considers Lebanon to be part of "Greater Syria"

[20:16] <Liz-VHL> thanks...I'm not sure if I will go..but my sister is going..believing for divine revelation from the Lord

[20:17] <HostBob> they want to be beginning of a great Arab empire

[20:17] <HostBob> as does Iraq

[20:17] <Gran-VHL> :) maybe this is when God will make HIS move against DAmascus

[20:17] <HostBob> Yes, Gran

[20:17] <HostBob> I believe it may be

[20:17] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Amen Gran!

[20:17] <Gran-VHL> :) yes Bob they all want a piece of Israel and all they can get in the area

[20:17] <Judy-VHL> 2It seems like it has to be the fulfillment of Isaiah 17:1

[20:17] <Mytan-VHL> 4Faith in Christ. Does she feel led to go?

[20:17] <HostBob> Listen to this very interesting analysis by Time Magazine:Having called Syria's bluff by withdrawing from Lebanon without an agreement with Damascus, Israel is now forced to find a way of preventing rocket attacks from Hezbollah or dissident Palestinian groups. It has warned that any attacks will be met with overwhelming force in the form of air strikes — and it has made very clear that it will include Syria's extensive military installations in Lebanon on the target list

[20:18] <Judy-VHL> 2Can see no other time.

[20:18] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6What if any will Iran and Iraq do if Israel hits back, (bomb) Syria?

[20:18] <HostBob> But Israel's hasty retreat left a lot of weapons in the hands of local militants who're not necessarily under Hezbollah's (or any body else's) discipline. A rogue attack emanating from these elements or from some of Lebanon's 400,000 Palestinian refugees who stand to gain little from the Israeli-Palestinian peace process could trigger a massive Israeli response and draw either or both of Hezbollah and Syria into a full-blown war

[20:18] <Gran-VHL> :) Bob I didn't get my VHL newsletter again

[20:18] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6If Syria did get Israel - then what?

[20:18] <Liz-VHL> who is part of "the great Arab empire now"

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[20:18] <awarrior-VHL> Bob, we aren't imformed as we should be. This is very enlightening.

[20:18] <HostBob> Yes, Gran, Stan has been having trouble with his email program

[20:18] <HostBob> Welcome, Eli!

[20:18] <eli-VHL> hello

[20:18] <Gran-VHL> thanx Bob

[20:19] <hope-VHL> 3Wanna, Syria Won't get Israel...

[20:19] <Gran-VHL> :) eli shalom

[20:19] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Bob, what do you make of the leader of Israel giving weapons to everyday citizens near the borders?

[20:19] <HostBob> That's what we are here for, Warrior :)

[20:19] <HostBob> That's right, Hope

[20:19] <Mytan-VHL> 4I don't believe it is time for Israel to be taken.

[20:20] <HostBob> I didn't hear that Tim - what did it say?

[20:20] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6It was on Rueters news service

[20:20] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Yeah....Thx Hope....wanted to throw that out there for responses!! :-)

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[20:20] <hope-VHL> 3LOL

[20:21] <HostBob> I'm no sure that Israel will be "taken" in that sense, as far as being defeated in war.... but I'm willing to listen to other's perspectives on Bible prophecy

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> :) I will check with Rueters later

[20:21] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6I'm so glad we have Hope!!;-)

[20:21] <HostBob> thanks, Honoring, for the info :)

[20:21] <hope-VHL> 3yeah, the REAL one Wanna ;) LOL

[20:21] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6the Israel govt. passed out riffles to everyday citizens near the borders, and told the people if they throw rocks they are not to fire accross the border, but if they fire any guns at all they are approved by the Israel govt to fire back!

[20:22] <HostBob> Yes, honoring, it's a situation waiting to explode...

[20:22] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6whao.....when was this honoring?!

[20:22] <lin-VHL> 7I believe the bible shows that the final war will take place in Israel, but only in God's time.:-)

[20:22] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6literally!!!

[20:22] <Mytan-VHL> 4I pray they (Israel) stand behind their words.

[20:22] <Gran-VHL> :) Our God Reignes

[20:22] <HostBob> the Hezbollah people at the border have been shouting across "we will kill you"

[20:22] <Gran-VHL> :) yes amen mytan

[20:23] <Judy-VHL> 2Well, shoot, I don't blame him for passing out guns. They've got to protect themselves as best they can.

[20:23] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6yep, I read that too Bob.

[20:23] <Mytan-VHL> 4Yes Gran and His Will, will be done.

[20:23] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen Gran

[20:23] <sugy-VHL> 13amen

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> :) yes amen

[20:23] <Liz-VHL> is that the Israel and Syria border that they passed out the guns?

[20:23] <HostBob> I read a news article of a little muslim boy on his dad's shoulders....

[20:23] <hope-VHL> 3Bob, you don't think they'll wait for the Sept 13, deadline, BEFORE an all out war breaks out?

[20:24] <HostBob> the Dad said "look at Jews" across the border and the boy pointed his toy gun at them

[20:24] <HostBob> I don't know, hope, when it all will happen

[20:24] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Oh my gosh that is so sad

[20:24] <HostBob> Yes, Liz

[20:24] <Gran-VHL> :) Satan will use the babies in war as he has done across the ages

[20:24] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6It's funny in a strange sort of way. All seems normal in my town. But In Israel things are heating up, I look around and woder how many people here in my area even know whats going on in relation to end times, and if they do if they even care?

[20:25] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6OH- BOB !!!! I just remembered somthing I have been wanting to ask sense last week, and I just remembered it

[20:25] <Judy-VHL> 2Many don't care, Tim, because they are blind to the truth.

[20:25] <Gran-VHL> :) honor not just not caring but not understanding

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[20:25] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Bob what is the basic belief of the muslims Ashamed to say I don't know.

[20:25] <HostBob> Good point, Tim - not many people have "eyes to see" what is happenign in the world, because they are not listening to what the Lord says

[20:25] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6well, put Bob

[20:26] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6We have a Living God, in control of all things!! Is it exciting to think we may be HOME sooner than we thing?!

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[20:26] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6think?

[20:26] <HostBob> Rose, basically, they believe in a god named "Allah" - with Mohammed as his prophet, who concocted "scriptures" called the Koran

[20:26] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6anyway, the question is, someone raised to me last week, about MOMARE KADOFFIE(sp?)

[20:26] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I think so wanna

[20:26] <sugy-VHL> 13but it is our job to make sure that they have heard the "Good News"

[20:26] <jazene-VHL> 3I pray so wanna

[20:26] <HostBob> Yes, Wanna!

[20:26] <HostBob> Yes, Sugy!!

[20:26] <rain-VHL> 10Hosea says My people are destroyed for they lack knowledge ... so many are preaching prosperity instead of prophecy in the churches

[20:26] <HostBob> Very true, Rain

[20:26] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Did the U.S. kill his son, some point in the past, does anyone remember?

[20:27] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Amen Sugy!

[20:27] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Oh so they really have no idea what the scriptures says, that is going to happen to them then.

[20:27] <Gran-VHL> :) honor there was a miss bomb that hit his home and killed his adobted son

[20:27] <Liz-VHL> People here in the US are deaf ,dumb and blind to the things of the Lord and end time prophecy...even those who are believers..I'm amazed at how much churches just do not understand that we should look toward Israel to see our future

[20:27] <HostBob> Rain, it's a matter of whose message people are listening to - God's, or imposters of various sorts

[20:27] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6if so, is it possiable that the son of Kadoffie, will rise up and be the false prophet?

[20:28] <HostBob> Yes, Liz

[20:28] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6I'm with ya there Liz!

[20:28] <Gran-VHL> :) not sure just how long ago maybe 10 years

[20:28] <HostBob> That's true, Rose

[20:28] <Mytan-VHL> 4Rose, the Muslims are of Abraham also but not of the promise of Sarah but the offspring of the mistress. They believe that Israel is theirs as their rightful inherintance.

[20:28] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Gran, I wonder if it says anything in prophecy about the sone of a leader rising up agains the nation who killed him?

[20:28] <hope-VHL> 3rosesharon, the jews have the scripture (the true scripture) and most don't know about the end times either.

[20:28] <awarrior-VHL> wasn't it in the days of Press. Bush, rose?

[20:28] <Judy-VHL> 2It was during Reagan's administration Gran and Tim.

[20:29] <Judy-VHL> 2The bombing of Libya.

[20:29] <lin-VHL> 7That is why Tim Lahaye's series of books are so wonderful becauser they can reach the unbelivers in a nonthreatening way

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> :) thats right Judy thanx

[20:29] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6thanks Judy

[20:29] <Liz-VHL> there was a report out of Jerusalem from a woman who went their from US

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> honor if there is I don't know it

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[20:29] <HostBob> Isaiah: The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep: He has sealed your eyes (the prophets); he has covered your heads (the seers). For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I can't; it is sealed."

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> but how can a son who was killed be a leader

[20:30] <lin-VHL> 7I've given them to people who then started reading the scriptures for themselves

[20:30] <Liz-VHL> she said an ortadox rabbi came to her and he told her he was sent by the L-rd

[20:30] <Judy-VHL> 2Hey Dotk and Eagle

[20:31] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Gran, I don't know myself? but remember if Kadaffie is anti God- their may be a supernatural reserection, I suppose anything is possiable

[20:31] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I think the Lord closed thier eyes to the truth. Because if they knew what would happen they would not persue war

[20:31] <sugy-VHL> 13Praise God lin

[20:31] <HostBob> Tim, I don't know any Scriptures that speak of a "son being raised from the dead"....

[20:31] <Dotk-VHL> Hello Judy

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> :) dot and Eagle shalom

[20:31] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom Judy! :-)

[20:31] <Liz-VHL> he said to bring the message back to the US that there are now 40 orthodox rabbis who now believe in Yeshewa!!!

[20:31] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6ok, Bob wasen't sure

[20:31] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom Gran!:-)

[20:31] <Dotk-VHL> Hi Gran

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> :) Liz that sounds great if it is true

[20:31] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Praise God Liz

[20:32] <awarrior-VHL> In the days of Elijah, Bob.

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> :) Big sceptic here

[20:32] <HostBob> and I think that brings up an important point.... we should start with the Scriptures, and read what they say, rather than speculating and reading into them, right?

[20:32] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Jeremiah 18:11 "Now therefore say to the people of Judah and those living in Jerusalem, this si what the Lord says, "Look! I am preparing a disaster for you and devising a plan against you. So turn from your evil ways each one of you and reform your ways and your actions. Bthe they will reply, It's no use. We will continue with our own plans; each of us will fooow the subborness of his evil heart....

[20:32] <sugy-VHL> 13Praise the Lord Liz! Give God the Glory....Amen!

[20:32] <hope-VHL> 3right Bob

[20:32] <Liz-VHL> the woman gave testimony at Brownsville Church

[20:32] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6seemed like a stretch to me too, LOL but I sure would like to know who this false prophet is. related to the anti-christ

[20:32] <lin-VHL> 7That is why I belive the rapture will take place. That is about the only thing left to shock hardened hearts to the truth

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> :) yes Bob go for it

[20:32] <Mytan-VHL> 4Right Bob

[20:32] <Eagle-VHL> yes, Bob :-)

[20:33] <sugy-VHL> 13Amen Bob

[20:33] <HostBob> Cuz God has filled us in on what we NEED to know :)

[20:33] <eli-VHL> but even after the rapture,some will hearts will still be hardened

[20:33] <jazene-VHL> 3Amen Bob

[20:33] <Eagle-VHL> Are we supposed to know who the anti-Christ is? I mean, Jesus said even the angels in heaven didn't know when He would return :-)

[20:33] <Mytan-VHL> 4Amen and amen.

[20:33] <Eagle-VHL> GMTA Bob!

[20:33] <jazene-VHL> 3Yes and that is unfortunate eli.

[20:33] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6ok, has anyone seen the commercial of the woman in a white flowing gown and the dragon? very real looking, I think it's about a car or shampoo or somthing, but it looked very satanic to me.

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> :) There are still many things that only God knows

[20:34] <Mytan-VHL> 4He only gave us clues to look for Eagle

[20:34] <HostBob> True, Eagle.... I don't think we will know until he is "revealed"

[20:34] <hope-VHL> 3when Christ would return, it never says we wouldn't know who the antichrist was Eagle

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> :) When the time comes HE will let us know

[20:34] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6or about the previews of speicies, the tv show?

[20:34] <grizzman-VHL> BOB in the book of REVELATION it talks that the antichrist will be raised from the dead just like our JESUS was this is what makes the anti christ just like CHRIST

[20:34] <lin-VHL> 7Yes Eli, but God gives every chance even then to recieve Christ before his return.

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[20:34] <Simon-VHL> What will be the shock to hardened hearts is that the rapture does not place until the 7th trump, Antichrist comes in the 6th trump, and 6 precedes 7.

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> :) what is that honor

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> :) when and where

[20:34] <HostBob> Yes, Grizz, it does say he will recover from a mortal wound

[20:34] <Eagle-VHL> LOL...I just am glad I know ADONAI, Messiah Yeshua. I'd rather not know the anti-Christ, :_)

[20:35] <Judy-VHL> 2Me, being a pre-tribber, thinks we won't see the Anti christ revealed. Of course later, we will know.

[20:35] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Gran, which one?

[20:35] <hope-VHL> 3AMEN SIMON

[20:35] <HostBob> though some have speculated whether it is a physical wound or a political mortal "wound"

[20:35] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6the species comm? or the other dragon one?

[20:35] <HostBob> Amen, Eagle :)

[20:35] <Mytan-VHL> 4But it is only and imitation. Every thing Satan does is an imitation.

[20:35] <WannaBNZion-VHL> 6Col 1:9 For this reason, since the day we heard abut you we have not stopped praying for you and asking God to fill you with the knowledge of his will thru all spiritual wisdom and undersatnadn"

[20:35] <HostBob> yes, Mytan

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> :) the TV show you just spoke of

[20:35] <Eagle-VHL> Amen Mytan

[20:35] <Liz-VHL> political mortal wound? you mean like death to power?

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> oh didnt hear about the dragon onr

[20:36] <eli-VHL> isn't the anti-christ supposed to come into power after the rapture?

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[20:36] <grizzman-VHL> oh ok i j7ust knew that he had to try and be likeJESUS

[20:36] <HostBob> Yes, Liz - like he was deposed or out of power, and then comes back

[20:36] <Eagle-VHL> AMEN Grizzman! ;-)

[20:36] <jazene-VHL> 3Amen mytan

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> :) from what i understand he will be revealed once the HOLY SPIRIT is gone

[20:36] <hope-VHL> 3that is IF you believe that you will be raptured BEFORE the tribulation Eli

[20:36] <HostBob> Eli, Yes, in the pre-trib scenario

[20:36] <Liz-VHL> I wonder how that would happen?

[20:37] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Gran- both of these I saw on TV, one a commercial promoting some product, and the other an actual TV series, it began as a Comic book series, "species"

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[20:37] <Mytan-VHL> 4If taken literally, don't you think it would be physical and more fantastic also to make the people believe and worship.

[20:37] <Simon-VHL> 0What scripture do you use to say that the Antichrist comes into power after the rapture? Oh and exacltly what scripture do you use for the rapture?

[20:37] <Eagle-VHL> Honoring, when it comes to commercials that offend, I contact the TV stations and the sponsor, then I do not buy the product.

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[20:37] <HostBob> Yes, Mytan, I tend to agree that it is a physical wound

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[20:38] <Gran-VHL> :) If the scripture I read right than yes it is a physical wound

[20:38] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Eagle, I thought the commericals looked so real I thought what a way for satan to fool people with his trickery.

[20:38] <Liz-VHL> hearts are so hardened...no one would pay attention to a fall from power and return

[20:38] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Anyone seen the new Wendy's commercial?

[20:39] <hope-VHL> I just got ZAPPED! But Simon, no one here is debating the rapture, everyone is entitled to to their beliefs

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> :) not me

[20:39] <eli-VHL> satan's trickery is everywhere you look

[20:39] <Eagle-VHL> Yes, the special effects in many shows with computer generated figures can be deceiving

[20:39] <Mytan-VHL> 4Yes gran. When God removes His Holy Spirit then Satan has full reign on the earth.

[20:39] <jazene-VHL> 3Yes look at what Clinton has done

[20:39] <HostBob> But think about it - we spend a lot of time speculating about the antichrist, but the prophets have a lot more to say about a lot of other things - especially that all of these things that are happening and will happen are to bring glory to God

[20:39] <Eagle-VHL> YES!, Bob!

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> :) amen Bob

[20:39] <HostBob> That the "glory of the Lord will be revealed, and every eye will see it"

[20:39] <rain-VHL> 10Amen Bob

[20:39] <eli-VHL> amen

[20:39] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Praise his Holy Name

[20:39] <Liz-VHL> yes..look at what Clinton has done...amen..jazene

[20:40] <jazene-VHL> 3Just by his actions shows how easiley we fail to see the truth for what it really is.

[20:40] <Eagle-VHL> I have a question about the Knesset if I may?

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[20:40] <HostBob> Sure, Eagle

[20:40] <lin-VHL> 7I am so excited because all these things tell me that Christ's return is near.

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[20:40] <Mytan-VHL> 4Amen Bob

[20:40] <HostBob> Yes, Lin! Amen!!!!

[20:40] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Amen, Bob Noone doubts that I don't believe, but as we tend to talk about every aspect of the end times, we always know God is in Control

[20:40] <Mytan-VHL> 4Makes you want to go to be more involved.

[20:40] <jazene-VHL> 3amen lin

[20:40] <Eagle-VHL> ICEJ news mentioned two members being replaced and the Mayor of Yerusalem resigning?

[20:40] <Liz-VHL> much sooner then we think...I think

[20:41] <HostBob> Has not the LORD Almighty determined that the people's labor is only fuel for the fire, that the nations exhaust themselves for nothing? For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. - Habakkuk

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[20:41] <Eagle-VHL> Is this Barak's doing? Or of their own free will?

[20:41] <HostBob> Eagle, I heard that one cabinet member is being indicted -don't know the details

[20:42] <Liz-VHL> Bob where do you get your information?

[20:42] <Eagle-VHL> There is a successor for them already being mentioned

[20:42] <Eagle-VHL> Let me see....

[20:42] <Judy-VHL> 2Hey Hope, are you there?\

[20:42] <Mytan-VHL> 4Indicted for what Bob.

[20:42] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Liz, Bob gets it from many areas I imagine, mostly The Israel site

[20:42] <hope-VHL> Bob, is there anything in scripture about China? Since Janet Reno has now put Tawain on the terrorist list, this would give an OK for China to attack Tawain, and I read an article where it said the the best scenario for this would be AFTER the new U.S. president gets elected, but BEFORE the inauguration.....

[20:42] <hope-VHL> Yeah Judy!

[20:43] <Mytan-VHL> 4Liz, Bob has several wonderful Israelie news links on his web site.

[20:43] <HostBob> from the Jerusalem Post... www.jpost.com - from Israel Wire www.israelwire.com

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> :) on the terroirist list good greif that woman has got to go

[20:43] <HostBob> yes, go to the "links" on my website for some resources... www.trumpetsounds.com

[20:43] <Eagle-VHL> It says Barak endorses Perez for President....

[20:43] <grizzman-VHL> take a look at her that is enough terror

[20:43] <HostBob> and of course VHL has lots of good new info

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> :) not too long ago our gov was telling China if they attack Tiwan we would attack thier ships

[20:44] <grizzman-VHL> soory GOD

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[20:44] <Eagle-VHL> :-) Grizzman

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[20:44] <HostBob> hope, many believe the "kings of the east" may refer to China

[20:44] <Liz-VHL> Can anyone get the Jerusalem Post? I'm intrusted,so I can keep track when my sister leaves for the land on Thursday

[20:44] <HostBob> I don't know :)

[20:44] <HostBob> yes, Liz

[20:44] <HostBob> it's online

[20:45] <Eagle-VHL> Bob, my question is....didnt' this happen rather suddenly?

[20:45] <Liz-VHL> ok...thanks

[20:45] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6www.jpost.com

[20:45] <HostBob> you mean the emergence of China as a world power, Eagle?

[20:45] <grizzman-VHL> whats url BOB

[20:45] <Eagle-VHL> (I couldn't cut and paste it in. I tried)

[20:45] <HostBob> of what, Grizz?

[20:45] <Eagle-VHL> No, I mean the changes in the Israeli government and the President of Israel

[20:45] <Liz-VHL> thanks

[20:46] <grizzman-VHL> the post

[20:46] <HostBob> Yes, however, the President is largely a ceremonial post, not much power

[20:46] <lin-VHL> 7What is happening with "rebuilding the temple", Bob?I

[20:46] <HostBob> is supposed to be non-political in nature

[20:46] <HostBob> (President of Israel)

[20:47] <Eagle-VHL> I am concerned about many things...Barak is now seeing Syria as a potential warmonger, which many knew

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[20:47] <HostBob> Lin, many preparations are being made by various groups for rebuilding

[20:47] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Bob a question about Isiah 17

[20:47] <Liz-VHL> Bob what is happening with Christians entering Israel? They are no longer allowed to preach the name of Jesus...is that still being enforced over there?

[20:47] <HostBob> just waiting for the political and physical situation to change

[20:47] <HostBob> yes Rose?

[20:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6what role does Vladmir Putin, have ? in the comming months regaurding the things going on in the middle east

[20:47] <Mytan-VHL> 4All in God's time. We need to keep praying for Israel and discernment.

[20:48] <Gran-VHL> :) Bob I wonder if Barak say this war coming and the sudden pullout was his way of getting troops out of the way and letting it start

[20:48] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Damascus is destroyed and the rest of the chapter talks of Israels poverty and desertion

[20:48] <HostBob> Liz, it's my understanding that preaching is allowed, but they have to be careful

[20:48] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6it seems the middle east, Iraq and Iran have been too quiet so far?

[20:48] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Where do they go and why or has that already been

[20:48] <Gran-VHL> :) honor putiin is new leader of Russia

[20:48] <HostBob> Gran, I don't believe Barak wants war at all

[20:49] <Liz-VHL> Careful how?

[20:49] <HostBob> Where does who go, Rose?

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[20:49] <sugy-VHL> 13something we must remember in all of this also, is that Satan has been given the power of the airwaves and he will undoubtedly use them more and more to deceive

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> :) well he still must have seen it in the near future

[20:49] <HostBob> Liz, I can't really speak with any knowledge of that situation

[20:49] <Eagle-VHL> Listening...

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[20:50] <rosesharon-VHL> 6In Isaih 17 It says that there will be very few of the jewish people left in Israel

[20:50] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Gran, thanks I know that... I wonder what his plans are if anything in being appart of the middle east war?

[20:50] <Liz-VHL> Funny that Israel will not allow large Christian gatherings but Jordan does...

[20:50] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Israel will be stripped of people

[20:50] <HostBob> Rose, I'm not sure that's what it means...

[20:50] <Mytan-VHL> 4Maybe Liz can contact Stan and ask him about that.

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> :) well Russia has always supported the Arabs

[20:51] <Liz-VHL> whos Stan?

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> and syria

[20:51] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Tell me if you can what you think it means

[20:51] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Please:-)

[20:51] <HostBob> I think it may be talking more of Israel's national status in the international community...

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> :) from the beginning of Israel they have suppied arms and large wepons to the Arabs

[20:51] <HostBob> will be like a emaciated man (v 4) and a "beaten olive tree" (v 6)

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[20:52] <Mytan-VHL> 4Stan hosts the thursday evening chat that is more political in nature and is in Jerusalem.

[20:52] <HostBob> they will really get beaten up over their destruction of Damascus

[20:52] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I think that is why I have so many problems with prophcey because I believe what I see and read (literal)

[20:52] <Eagle-VHL> Ok....I am not reading the same verses you are Rose, I think

[20:52] <sugy-VHL> 13in other words, we can't believe everything we hear and see in the news and as the day approaches all the more

[20:52] <HostBob> and because of that will begin to look more to the Lord, (v 7)

[20:52] <Liz-VHL> ok..thanks I'll try and get here on Thursday....

[20:52] <eli-VHL> amen

[20:53] <dovecry-VHL> Hi! All,Shalom, Bob

[20:53] <HostBob> Rose, nothing wrong with reading it literally

[20:53] <grizzman-VHL> hey guys must be getting up in 5 hours for work soi must leave now sorry to go...... just rember we serve a living SAVIOR and HEis in the world today love allof you in the name of our SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST nite

[20:53] <HostBob> Shalom Dove

[20:53] <Eagle-VHL> Yes, that is what I am reading, Bob, that the altars of man will be torn down?

[20:53] <HostBob> See ya Grizz - thanks again!

[20:53] <Eagle-VHL> AMEN Grizzman!

[20:53] <Mytan-VHL> 4Liz

[20:53] <eli-VHL> amen grizz

[20:53] <sugy-VHL> 13Good night grizz and God bless you and yours

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> :) Hi dovecry shalom

[20:53] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6GBU, Grizzz

[20:53] <HostBob> yes, Eagle - no more regard for the "gods"

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[20:53] <Liz-VHL> yes Mytan?

[20:54] <Mytan-VHL> 4You may not have to wait that long. Go to the VHL site and see if you can get to him from there.

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> :) God Bless Grizz see you later

[20:54] <jazene-VHL> 3Bye grizz and Amen

[20:54] <Liz-VHL> is it the Stan Site?

[20:54] <Eagle-VHL> I really like verse 13.... ;-)

[20:54] <dovecry-VHL> We are suppose to take the Bible literally, at least I do. Even when it hurts:-(

[20:54] <HostBob> Liz, Stan is the editor of the VHL site

[20:54] <Liz-VHL> can you tell I'm new at this?

[20:54] <HostBob> yes, Dove we are

[20:54] <sugy-VHL> 13amen dove

[20:55] <Mytan-VHL> 4We all have to learn Liz. It's ok.

[20:55] <Eagle-VHL> Liz, I'm new too, so....HI!

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> :) well you know we are all new at some things

[20:55] <Liz-VHL> thanks for being patient with me tonight...I can't type real fast either...

[20:55] <HostBob> We should take it literally - but when it says something like "it will be like...." and then offers an analogy, we should take it in that sense

[20:55] <Liz-VHL> Hi Eagle...

[20:55] <dovecry-VHL> You all have to be patient with me, I'm the slow one remember?:-)

[20:55] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Does God give those who are of "simple mind" a chance, i.e. does God turn the other cheek, when people use curse words in general in life, ? what kind of grace does God have on people who are"ignorant" or just lazy, in their vocab, who say they believe in God but are in their 60's and don't want to change or don't feel they should?

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> :) Liz if you get in enough time on chat you will improve

[20:55] <HostBob> for example... "It will be even like the reaper gathering the standing grain, As his arm harvests the ears, Or it will be like one gleaning ears of grain In the valley of Rephaim."

[20:56] <Eagle-VHL> :-)

[20:56] <HostBob> Yes, after awhile you get used to the frantic pace here :)

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[20:56] <Eagle-VHL> No matter where I read, when I read the complete context, God never gives up on Israel...

[20:56] <Eagle-VHL> and that is comforting to me.

[20:56] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6I ask the question because I am concearned about my Step dad

[20:56] <HostBob> Amen, Eagle

[20:56] <Mytan-VHL> 4I wanted to thank all of you, while I am remembering, for all of the informative links you supplied last week. I was not there but read the transcript. And Bob for being able to find the Josephus books.

[20:56] <Liz-VHL> :-O

[20:56] <HostBob> Great, Mytan!

[20:57] <HostBob> By the way, if we miss a question or comment here, please be patient and repeat it :)

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> :) yes helpful Bob

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> actually most everyone has something to share

[20:57] <sugy-VHL> 13Honoring, God deals with each of us individually....I believe it depends on whether or not you are being convicted by the Holy Spirit...

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> :) Good group

[20:57] <Eagle-VHL> I was telling a pastor friend of mine some of this information is like Filet Mignon

[20:58] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen Eagle

[20:58] <Liz-VHL> So much to say....I hope I can keep up

[20:58] <HostBob> Eagle, it's good that your pastor has friends :)

[20:58] <Mytan-VHL> 4amen Eagle

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> :) amen Eagle easy meat to chew

[20:58] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6I C, so if my dad uses the lords name in vai I should just turn the other cheek, and igonre it, God will deal with it?

[20:58] <sugy-VHL> 13no, not at all

[20:58] <awarrior-VHL> I hope to be contributing something valuable, but in Gen.12 :3 "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee; and in thee shall all families of the earth be bless."

[20:58] <HostBob> Tim, there is a time to defend the honor of the Lord, and a time to be silent

[20:59] <dovecry-VHL> I'm so glad the LORD is overflowing in love & grace for us, because that's the only thing we got going for us

[20:59] <jazene-VHL> 3How right you are. This is a wonderful place to come and share your thoughts and beliefs of God and his word with others.

[20:59] <Liz-VHL> I just found the smiles

[20:59] <Eagle-VHL> Good verse, Awarrior!

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> :) honor pray, pray,pray and speak to your Dad each time and tell him that it hurts you to use the Lords name in vain

[20:59] <Liz-VHL> ;-)

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> in love of course you will

[20:59] <Judy-VHL> 2Hello, Dovecry.

[20:59] <Judy-VHL> 2How have you been?

[20:59] <sugy-VHL> 13yes

[20:59] <Mytan-VHL> 4Honor, do you discuss biblical (spiritual) things with your step dad

[20:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6so If I'm visiting their home, for a few hours, I hear him say it once, then I should just be silent, because I know I won't be their long?

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> :) amen dove

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> :) good for you LI

[21:00] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6yep I do Gran and with my mom

[21:00] <sugy-VHL> 13encourage him also to do what is right

[21:00] <HostBob> You might say something, not in an accusatory way, but in a way to impress on him respectfully the severity of dishonoring the Lord, and the grat mercy that God extends to all of us who have offended Him in the past

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> LIZ

[21:00] <Eagle-VHL> Honoring, I have relatives who don't even know what they are saying

[21:00] <awarrior-VHL> God's word never changes. What He promised for Israel still stands.

[21:00] <dovecry-VHL> Oh! WoW, Hi! Judy:->

[21:00] <Mytan-VHL> 4Good for you Liz.

[21:00] <Liz-VHL> yes Gran?

[21:00] <Eagle-VHL> I never get to use this one: -P

[21:01] <Judy-VHL> 2Probably didn't know that I was here. I've been kind of silent, tonight.

[21:01] <Eagle-VHL> ooops

[21:01] <Eagle-VHL> :-P

[21:01] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6my dad thinks when I have my mom look up certain verses in the bible, I'm testing her, I take it to be somwhat of a slap in the face, the way he put it anyway.

[21:01] <Mytan-VHL> 4How does he react?

[21:01] <HostBob> Your approach to him, Tim, depends on your relationship with him, and his receptiveness

[21:01] <jazene-VHL> 3Thats how it was with us all though. Someone prayed for us and gently let us know about Jesus and his saving grace. Praise the Lord.

[21:01] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Well brothers and sisters I have to go and take care of the family. Love to all and may the Lord bless you Lord willing I will see everyone on Thursday.

[21:01] <david-VHL> Hello folks. I just got back Wed from Israel with Pastor Jack Hayford.

[21:01] <Eagle-VHL> Walk in Grace, Honoring. Try not to react.

[21:01] <HostBob> See ya Rose! Good to have you here again!

[21:01] <eli-VHL> yes i have the same problem as Honor, but with friends at the workplace or friends that arn't christians

[21:01] <Eagle-VHL> Be Blessed with every good blessing in Yeshua, Rose!

[21:01] <Judy-VHL> 2Goodnight Rosesharon.

[21:01] <dovecry-VHL> But right now aren't we in the dispensation of God's grace, Bob?

[21:02] <sugy-VHL> 13Good night rose and God bless you!

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[21:02] <Gran-VHL> god Bless Ros

[21:02] <david-VHL> People were very hush hush about the border situation.

[21:02] <Mytan-VHL> 4Goodnight Rose. May God's countenance shine upon your face and spirit.

[21:02] <Liz-VHL> Blessings Rose

[21:02] <HostBob> Yes, Dove, we are, and if we listen to God's Spirit we can use these things as an opportunity to share God's grace

[21:02] <jazene-VHL> 3Good night rose and may God bless and keep you

[21:02] <Gran-VHL> Liz I was just saying good for you and didn't spell your name right

[21:02] <Eagle-VHL> Really, David?

[21:03] <david-VHL> Apparently the PLO had planted a car bomb in Jericho and a 2 yr old girl was killed

[21:03] <Judy-VHL> 2David, do you go to Hayford's church???????

[21:03] <david-VHL> They "closed" the city down.

[21:03] <david-VHL> yes i do......

[21:03] <HostBob> God is good even to those who misuse His name, offering them many chances to repent and receive His mercy in Jesus

[21:03] <Mytan-VHL> 4Why Hayford?

[21:03] <Eagle-VHL> I came in late, so, I don't mean to offend,. But, have we discussed any of the recent things with the Lebanon border and prophecy yet?

[21:03] <Judy-VHL> 2Well, DAVID, does Bruce Marciano still attend there, also?????

[21:03] <sugy-VHL> 13Take everything to the Lord in prayer and supplication....He will show you how to respond

[21:03] <sugy-VHL> 13and give you the words

[21:04] <HostBob> David, tell us more of your visit

[21:04] <jazene-VHL> 3Amen to That one Bob.

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> :) david unless it was something new it was a fire bomb in Jerico a week ago Sunday

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> :) the little girl is alive

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[21:04] <Gran-VHL> but baadly burned

[21:04] <david-VHL> don t know him Judy.......

[21:04] <HostBob> Yes, Eagle, but we'll go there again - much is happening

[21:04] <HostBob> Welcome once again, Apple!

[21:04] <david-VHL> great bible study trip......

[21:04] <Eagle-VHL> Thanks Bob

[21:04] <david-VHL> moved me to tears many times.......

[21:05] <Judy-VHL> 2Oh, he is the one who played Jesus in "Matthew", must be a big church, huh?

[21:05] <applecheeks-VHL> 3hello everyone:-)

[21:05] <eli-VHL> hello apple:-)

[21:05] <david-VHL> maybe gran, we were told a car bomb.....

[21:05] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom rav, Apple! :-)

[21:05] <HostBob> Eagle, let's listen to David's trip details, then we will discuss Lebanon and Syria :)

[21:05] <david-VHL> seems the news is very controlled in Israel

[21:05] <jazene-VHL> 3Hey Apple

[21:05] <hope-VHL> hello apple

[21:05] <Dotk-VHL> Hello Applecheeks

[21:05] <applecheeks-VHL> 3hi:->

[21:06] <HostBob> How are ya, Apple!

[21:06] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6hi apple

[21:06] <Liz-VHL> Hi Apple..I'm new here...

[21:06] <Liz-VHL> :->

[21:06] <david-VHL> It was very interesting to see the hearts of the guides.....and how strong there feelins of survial are

[21:06] <HostBob> David, what was the most striking impressions from your visit?

[21:06] <Eagle-VHL> ok! Listening to David...

[21:06] <applecheeks-VHL> 3IAM FINE HAD A GREAT DAY

[21:06] <HostBob> Great, Apple! :)

[21:07] <Liz-VHL> listening

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[21:07] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6ok, david, lets listen now...:-)

[21:07] <david-VHL> they want the young people to remember the purpose of their country and why they are there....

[21:07] <sugy-VHL> 13Praise God!

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[21:08] <david-VHL> and they seem to be very appreicative of the USA, otherwise Israel would probably not be around.....

[21:08] <david-VHL> I felt going there put me much closer to Jesus and is making the bible much more alive.

[21:08] <HostBob> Wonderful, David!

[21:09] <Eagle-VHL> :-)

[21:09] <HostBob> I hope to go there in September, the Lord willing

[21:09] <applecheeks-VHL> 3dont you think America could do more to help

[21:09] <sugy-VHL> 13yes david, Wonderful!

[21:09] <david-VHL> We have great worship in the "Upper Room". One member of group recei ved her spiritual language.

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[21:09] <jazene-VHL> 3I know that this is a stupid question but why doesn't the U.S. interven and help Iseral?

[21:09] <HostBob> Yes, Apple, they could.. but unfortunately it seems that the prophecies in the Bible indicate that ALL the nations will ultimately desert Israel

[21:10] <sugy-VHL> 13Praise the Lord! Amen

[21:10] <Eagle-VHL> \o/

[21:10] <Liz-VHL> PL

[21:10] <HostBob> Jazene, because the US, like all countries, acts in ITS OWN self-interest

[21:10] <applecheeks-VHL> 3speeking in tongues is a wonderful gift form god

[21:10] <Liz-VHL> PTL

[21:10] <dovecry-VHL> I lovingly disagree:-) Israel will always be until the end, until God says otherwise. :-)

[21:10] <Liz-VHL> oops

[21:10] <david-VHL> The "southern steps" where Jesus walked was really great.....we had early morning worship there.

[21:10] <Eagle-VHL> HUH? Dovecry, I thinik I got lost?

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[21:11] <Liz-VHL> I've heard of some awesome experiences in that upper room...

[21:11] <DonB-VHL> Shalom

[21:11] <david-VHL> a lot of tears, Liz........

[21:11] <Eagle-VHL> awww!

[21:11] <HostBob> :)

[21:11] <Eagle-VHL> (Shalom, DonB)

[21:11] <Judy-VHL> 2Hey Don, how are you?

[21:11] <david-VHL> The Holy Ghost was present.......

[21:12] <hope-VHL> 4HEYYYYY DON!!! ;)

[21:12] <DonB-VHL> great ....thank you!

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> shalom Don

[21:12] <Eagle-VHL> David? Did you get to see other areas of Israw?

[21:12] <Eagle-VHL> oops

[21:12] <Eagle-VHL> Israel?

[21:12] <applecheeks-VHL> 3hello don:->

[21:12] <dovecry-VHL> Forgive me! Maybe I misunderstood

[21:12] <Liz-VHL> David what are thesouthern steps?

[21:12] <david-VHL> yes, we were in Tiberas, to the Golen Heights

[21:12] <Eagle-VHL> sawwright! LOL Dovecry! :-)

[21:13] <david-VHL> Bethelem

[21:13] <Eagle-VHL> wow...

[21:13] <DonB-VHL> hi apple, judy, hope, gran, eagle

[21:13] <HostBob> Dove :)

[21:13] <david-VHL> Migedio

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> :) hey Don another great group

[21:13] <david-VHL> Masada

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> tonight

[21:13] <dovecry-VHL> Thanks;-)

[21:13] <david-VHL> Dead Sea

[21:13] <DonB-VHL> wow

[21:13] <david-VHL> QumRan

[21:13] <Eagle-VHL> Oh, David, I am feeling "homesick!"

[21:14] <Eagle-VHL> :-)

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> :) OH david you are making me jealous

[21:14] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Migedo, that reminds me the FBI has a task force named Magido

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> I want to be there so bad

[21:14] <DonB-VHL> hi vikki

[21:14] <david-VHL> Mount of Beauditues

[21:14] <sugy-VHL> 13Wow david! Sounds incredible!

[21:14] <Eagle-VHL> Did you get to go in the Garden, David?

[21:14] <dovecry-VHL> Eagle where are you from ?

[21:14] <david-VHL> We have to pray for all of the darkness in our government.

[21:14] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6esp. designed because of the end time prophecy rumors in the U.S.

[21:14] <jazene-VHL> 3As wonderful as this dicussion is going my grand baby is her and it is kind of hard to concentrate. Will hopefully be able to get back on before everyone leaves. other wise will see you all next Mon. May God bless you all

[21:14] <david-VHL> Yes,

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> :) jamen david

[21:15] <Gran-VHL> amen that is

[21:15] <Eagle-VHL> US, Dovecry, but Israel is home at heart

[21:15] <david-VHL> the Garden

[21:15] <sugy-VHL> 13amen david

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[21:15] <HostBob> See you soon, Jazene - Shalom sister!

[21:15] <Eagle-VHL> Blessings Jazrene!

[21:15] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom!

[21:15] <Liz-VHL> Bye jazene shalom

[21:15] <Gran-VHL> :) God Bless jazene

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[21:15] <sugy-VHL> 13God bless jazene

[21:15] <applecheeks-VHL> 3it must be a wonderful experince and blessing to be in Isreal

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> :) honoring about the FBI thing that is strange

[21:16] <Liz-VHL> I'm trying to help my son study for his East West exam tomorrow...

[21:16] <david-VHL> Liz, the southern steps are the steps that Jesus would have taken to go into the temple

[21:16] <Eagle-VHL> I am hoping the next administration in US is more pro-Israel...sigh

[21:16] <HostBob> Yes, Apple - but even if we don't get to go, we can have Zion in our hearts - we love Zion because it is the place from which the Lord Jesus will rule!!!

[21:16] <Eagle-VHL> Wow, David

[21:16] <dovecry-VHL> Yes! Mine too. And I know the LORD is going to make it possible for me to see the home of my Lord. I believe that

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> :) yess Eagle that would be wonderful

[21:16] <Eagle-VHL> AMEN Bob!

[21:17] <Liz-VHL> wow...I'm sure that was awesome

[21:17] <Gran-VHL> but not counting on it

[21:17] <Eagle-VHL> Did you hear Danforth is a possible running mate for Bush?

[21:17] <Gran-VHL> :) we can pray and vote our concence though

[21:17] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Gran... yes it is

[21:17] <david-VHL> From the time I first got off the plane, there was a peace that came over me that is hard to explain........

[21:18] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6megido, I heard about it on the news, just prior to the new year 2000, funny how no one talks about it now.

[21:18] <david-VHL> yes, a peace that does surpass all understanding.....

[21:18] <sugy-VHL> 13amen david

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> :) OOOOH Gosh I want to be there soooo much

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[21:18] <Eagle-VHL> David, can you email us photos? :-)

[21:18] <david-VHL> Thank you Jesus for the resources and time to make the trip to the Holy Land.

[21:18] <dovecry-VHL> Yes! Because the Spirit of the Living God dwells in our hearts"Praise The Lord"

[21:18] <HostBob> Welcome, Euty!

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> :) Hi Eutycus welcome aboard

[21:18] <sugy-VHL> 13amen

[21:18] <Eutycus-VHL> Thanks Bob...

[21:19] <applecheeks-VHL> 3iam sorry everyone i must close take care my christian brothers and sisterwill be back again :->

[21:19] <Eutycus-VHL> Oh Gran....I can tell I would love it here!!

[21:19] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Hi, Euct

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> :) Hey all welcome my friend Eutycus

[21:19] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom Eut!

[21:19] <HostBob> Bye, Applecheeks

[21:19] <david-VHL> I can, but, I am still working on the photos from the digital cam.

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> :) I knew you would dear

[21:19] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom Apple!

[21:19] <Eutycus-VHL> Shalom Eagle....

[21:19] <sugy-VHL> 13Good night apple and God bless!

[21:19] <HostBob> Good to see you!

[21:19] <david-VHL> Probably be another week or so.

[21:19] <dovecry-VHL> God Bless You Apple!

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> :) god bless apple

[21:19] <Eutycus-VHL> Do you all have Bible studies here ???

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> :) no dear

[21:20] <Eutycus-VHL> How come?

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[21:20] <Gran-VHL> this is the night for prophesy chat

[21:20] <david-VHL> Shalom folks, i have to go now. May God richly bless you

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> and on Thurs is Israel politics chat

[21:20] <sugy-VHL> 13and you also david

[21:20] <dovecry-VHL> Cool question Eutycus:-O

[21:20] <Judy-VHL> 2Goodnight David.

[21:20] <DonB-VHL> good night david

[21:20] <HostBob> Thanks, David

[21:20] <Eutycus-VHL> Tell me how it works here......different things on different nights?

[21:20] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom David!

[21:20] <Liz-VHL> Anyone know Benny Hinn? Thoughts?

[21:20] <david-VHL> thanks for the information bob and everyone.

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> god bless david

[21:20] <dovecry-VHL> Blessings David

[21:21] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6speaking of prophecy, what is the prophecy for, the U.S> Israel relations in the end time, anyone???

[21:21] <rain-VHL> 10Goodnight David thanks for sharing

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> yes dear chats most of the time

[21:21] <HostBob> I'll be back in a few minutes - please continue...

[21:21] <eli-VHL> goodnight and god bless david:-)

[21:21] <Judy-VHL> 2I don't particularly care for him, Liz. You like him?

[21:21] <Eutycus-VHL> <----not a Benny Hinn fan....

[21:21] <david-VHL> Oh, Benny Hinn says there will be a peace with Syria

[21:21] <rain-VHL> 10Hi DonB

[21:21] <sugy-VHL> 13My belief is that Benny Hinn is a false prophet

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> but I have not been in any except mon and thurs night s at 8 E

[21:21] <eli-VHL> not a Benny Hinn fan

[21:21] <Liz-VHL> just wondering...

[21:21] <rain-VHL> 10Amen sugy

[21:21] <Eutycus-VHL> I would agree Sugy...

[21:21] <hope-VHL> 4back

[21:21] <Eagle-VHL> Messiah Yeshua Fan here! :-)

[21:21] <david-VHL> sugy, be careful, we should not mess with God's anointed.......

[21:21] <DonB-VHL> hi rain!:-)

[21:21] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6anyone like Kenneth Copeland?

[21:21] <Judy-VHL> 2Nope

[21:22] <Eutycus-VHL> Not me Honoring...

[21:22] <rain-VHL> 10too much prosperity

[21:22] <sugy-VHL> 13amen david

[21:22] <Liz-VHL> good word David...

[21:22] <Eagle-VHL> David, that verse also defends the people of God

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[21:22] <david-VHL> If you have every been with Benny, you would think differently

[21:22] <Eagle-VHL> Psalm 105:5 is giving Praise toGod for defending the people and the prophets from other kings

[21:22] <sugy-VHL> 13however I have seen him and he is not a man of God

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> :) Euty you can check out the whole website any time many things in it

[21:22] <Liz-VHL> David you have been with Benny?

[21:22] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6so Kenneth copeland is to much on prosperity?

[21:22] <Eagle-VHL> We are to discern, we are told to many times

[21:22] <Eutycus-VHL> Anyone here study the Jewish feasts and how they relate to us today?

[21:22] <david-VHL> yes, many times.......

[21:23] <Eagle-VHL> Euty, Zola Levitt has neat booklets on the subject

[21:23] <Liz-VHL> I don't think I should reveal my connection...

[21:23] <david-VHL> I go to his tv tapings........and the power of God is there

[21:23] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6I've only heard him a couple times, for about 10 minutes, so I don't know much about him,

[21:23] <Eutycus-VHL> I have read Zola....

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> :) Zola is very good

[21:23] <Liz-VHL> but I know him personally...

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> Been knowing of him many years

[21:24] <rain-VHL> 10I like the political activism of Dr. James Kennedy

[21:24] <david-VHL> If you want some great bible teaching, go to one of his "partner confterences"

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[21:24] <Gran-VHL> :) and his teachings

[21:24] <Eagle-VHL> Who, what, when, where?

[21:24] <dovecry-VHL> 1Well I just have one thing to say about Mr. Hinn, I do not believe that God needs to display that much agression over the enemy. I'm sorry, but I don't!

[21:24] <Eagle-VHL> I am feeling like Vinnie Barbarino again! LOL

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> very pro Israel and right on the button with scripture

[21:24] <Eutycus-VHL> I think so Gran...

[21:24] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6LOL, use to watch that show, Eagle

[21:24] <Liz-VHL> I love listening to you all...

[21:25] <david-VHL> Yes, Liz, interesting that you know him.

[21:25] <HostBob> I would suggest that we perhaps leave the discussion of various "teachers" and move on to other things :)

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> :) LIz rememgber the politics chat on thrus

[21:25] <sugy-VHL> 13yes Bob

[21:25] <Eagle-VHL> Bob, not even "Mr. Kotter"?

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[21:25] <david-VHL> My friend Joy Dawson knows him quite well.

[21:25] <Eagle-VHL> LOL

[21:25] <eli-VHL> yes like prophecy

[21:25] <HostBob> :)

[21:25] <sugy-VHL> 13lol Eagle

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> :) yes Bob for sure

[21:25] <david-VHL> good night folks, again.

[21:25] <Liz-VHL> don't know Joy...

[21:25] <dovecry-VHL> Good idea {SMILE} Bob,

[21:26] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom rav, David!

[21:26] <Eutycus-VHL> May I ask who Bob is....and how has he gotten to be our HOST? I am the new kid here ;-)

[21:26] <Gran-VHL> :) she is good teacher

[21:26] <HostBob> I have a phone call right now, so please go on without me for a few :)

[21:26] <sugy-VHL> 13Good night david and God be with you

[21:26] <Liz-VHL> good night David...

[21:26] <Gran-VHL> :) enough of teachers though folks

[21:26] <light2-VHL> GodBless David

[21:26] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6dov, when it comes to God, we have to stick with the bible, when we start out are sentences, like....I this or I that, the I, is not necessarily from God

[21:26] <Gran-VHL> back to Israel

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[21:26] <Liz-VHL> blessings..

[21:26] <Eagle-VHL> Israel....

[21:26] <Gran-VHL> :) Euty he is host because VHL chose him to be

[21:27] <Eagle-VHL> I wanna go!

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> I will fill you in later

[21:27] <Eagle-VHL> I mean, to Israel

[21:27] <Eagle-VHL> LOL

[21:27] <Liz-VHL> I might be on my way there soon...

[21:27] <Eagle-VHL> Really, Liz? COOL

[21:27] <Liz-VHL> to Israel...

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> :) mostly we are here to talk about what is going on in Israel

[21:27] <Eutycus-VHL> Is that like his job....I don't understand? Or is he a Christian volunteer?

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> :) HIs job Ruth

[21:28] <Eutycus-VHL> Ok.....

[21:28] <eli-VHL> my pastor went to Israel recently and had some interesting pictures to show at church

[21:28] <Eagle-VHL> Do we see war with Syria being a more real probabilty, group?

[21:28] <eli-VHL> i would love to go there

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> :) the sticky situation is Israel is what we are concerned about

[21:28] <stillwaters-VHL> amen

[21:28] <sugy-VHL> 13Only the Lord knows for sure

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> :) Israel news on VHL also

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[21:29] <dovecry-VHL> That's true, but I will "Praise The Lord" anyway, and I Love You all.

[21:29] <Eutycus-VHL> <----I am going to Israel with Jesus as my tour guide....and ALL expenses paid !!!

[21:29] <eli-VHL> amen

[21:29] <sugy-VHL> 13Praise God Eutycus!

[21:29] <Eagle-VHL> Yes, but, with the Lebanon pullout, and all, is Israel in more "danger:"?

[21:29] <dovecry-VHL> Eli, how do you get your writing so dark?

[21:29] <Gran-VHL> :) amen dear and i can't wait

[21:29] <stillwaters-VHL> recently heard a teaching by louise brock who felt that there would be a war between Isreal and Syria

[21:29] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6my question still stands, does anyone know what if anything the U.S. relations with Israel will be like?

[21:29] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6in the end times

[21:29] <eli-VHL> i have a bold setting,dovecry

[21:30] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6specultions?

[21:30] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6opinions,

[21:30] <stillwaters-VHL> Clinton does not appear to support isreal like past presidents

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> :) Euty you can register to win a flight to Israel on VHL every day also

[21:30] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6sources?

[21:30] <Eagle-VHL> I am hoping, Honoring, the US will be one of the last to desert Israel.

[21:30] <Eutycus-VHL> I am not sure that the US will play a signifigant role in the end times...

[21:30] <Liz-VHL> Gran..I register everyday...hoping to win and go...

[21:30] <dovecry-VHL> Wow, Thanks. I didn't know

[21:30] <sugy-VHL> 13I don't but I do know this....that my prayers will be with them always

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> :) honor so far with clinton they seem to get worse daily

[21:30] <stillwaters-VHL> I understand that Clinton recently approved billions of dollars to Syria to help relocate???

[21:30] <Eutycus-VHL> That is so cool Gran....

[21:30] <eli-VHL> no problem

[21:30] <rain-VHL> 10The US in general seems to be more interested in money -

[21:31] <Eagle-VHL> But, I also wonder if all nations deserting Israel is just those in the mid-east. Or does it include the US? I gues Bob would have to handle that one?

[21:31] <Gran-VHL> he is more pro arab than Israel

[21:31] <awarrior-VHL> you need to hear JackVanImpe, who can explain this Prophecy by the Word of God

[21:31] <stillwaters-VHL> amen

[21:31] <Simon-VHL> The US has everything to do with the end times, the greatest Christian nation ever!!

[21:31] <rain-VHL> 10and Clinton wants to be high up in the New World Order

[21:31] <Eagle-VHL> Simon, can you share more?

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> :) Simon it used to be a Christian nation

[21:32] <eli-VHL> yes i believe that the U.S. will play a role

[21:32] <Liz-VHL> rain...do you know who ushered in the new world order?

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> Too many folks think they are christian

[21:32] <dovecry-VHL> WoW this is great now I can see it better. "Praise The Lord" He's so good to us:-)

[21:32] <eli-VHL> all will play a role

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> and act like the world

[21:32] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6keep it up folks, this is a good discution, thanks for chipping in the ideas, I 'm reading..along

[21:32] <mytan-VHL> We are no longer a christian nation.

[21:32] <Eutycus-VHL> Simon....I meant that when the US turns it's back on Israel...and I believe it will....that we will no longer be a major player. I don't see us in phrophecy do you?

[21:32] <sugy-VHL> 13so true Gran

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> :) I heard Pres Buth speak of it

[21:33] <stillwaters-VHL> according to ms.brock Syria is not listed in the war between Gog and Magog and thus she felt that Syria could face Israils nuclear warhead?

[21:33] <Eagle-VHL> Gran, but if God would spare Sodom for 10 righteous, then will not God see US as rightwous the more we cry out to Him?

[21:33] <Simon-VHL> How could one think that this nation has nothing to do with Bible prophecy, no longer a Christian nation are you nuts?

[21:33] <awarrior-VHL> has anyone ever thought Clinton could be the AntiChrist? just wondering.......

[21:33] <rain-VHL> 10hmmmmmmm

[21:33] <sugy-VHL> 13lol

[21:33] <Judy-VHL> 2Not really

[21:33] <eli-VHL> no

[21:33] <Liz-VHL> I believe the anti-christ will come from Syria

[21:33] <light2-VHL> I believe US is instrumental in the set up of world government

[21:33] <Eagle-VHL> Nope, I don't thinkClinton is anti-christ. More like Ahab... (giggle)

[21:34] <Eutycus-VHL> Simon...where do you see the United States in the end time phrophecies please?

[21:34] <Simon-VHL> No matter what our so called leaders do this will always be the greatest Christian nation!

[21:34] <eli-VHL> i don't think of clinton as anti-christ

[21:34] <Gran-VHL> :) Simon I have been around for 69 years and a Christian for over 50 and no I am not nuts please watch your mouth

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[21:34] <Judy-VHL> 2I thought Anti Christ will come out of country surrounding the Mediterranean.

[21:34] <dovecry-VHL> Help! Bob.

[21:34] <awarrior-VHL> think about it, he pretty well fits the characteristics. Perhaps a forerunner,

[21:34] <Eagle-VHL> Let's be nice, ok? :-)

[21:34] <stillwaters-VHL> I think it more likely that he will come from the mid east

[21:34] <HostBob> I'll be back in a minute

[21:34] <light2-VHL> Bob Have you heard from Worthy News Editor lately??

[21:34] <Liz-VHL> Syria...

[21:34] <awarrior-VHL> I don't mean to not be nice. I think we need to searching for truth

[21:35] <Liz-VHL> amen...truth

[21:35] <stillwaters-VHL> If Syria were eleminated that would make room for Russia who is their ally to attack Isreal

[21:35] <eli-VHL> does anyone believe in ufo's,aliens

[21:35] <rain-VHL> 10the truth is in the Word of God

[21:35] <Simon-VHL> Eutycus, Have you ever wondered why this nation carries the number 13? Have you ever looked at your one dollar bill and thought about why we are the eagle nation that carries the olive branches?

[21:35] <HostBob> OK - I'm off the phone :)

[21:35] <sugy-VHL> 13Clinton is only a pawn....Gore is no good

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[21:35] <dovecry-VHL> Awarrior, I agree with you.

[21:35] <eli-VHL> welcome back Bob!!!!!

[21:35] <yeshuagirl-VHL> hello..all i just read that the us would turn against israel and the jews so they will then return from the us to cause the overflow that is in prophecy

[21:36] <light2-VHL> Simon please tell us

[21:36] <Liz-VHL> welcome back Bob...we missed you

[21:36] <HostBob> Yes, we are all trying to learn, and we should not be "unnice" to others who view things differently :)

[21:36] <HostBob> Thanks, Liz :)

[21:36] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Ok, bob got a spirited one going here

[21:36] <Eagle-VHL> Hi Bob!

[21:36] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6time to referee?

[21:36] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6mabe

[21:36] <mytan-VHL> 4Simon, what our government sets the stage for is what we are. True, we let it happen but this nation no longer worships Christ. Anything goes now and that is what our children are being indoctrinated into. You need to listen to some people involved in the political realm and the news.

[21:36] <HostBob> Send people into the corner? LOL

[21:36] <light2-VHL> Bob have you heard from Worthy News Editor lately

[21:36] <Eutycus-VHL> Has anyone read the Left Behind books? I thought that they opened with an interesting twist....as to how Isreal would make it's come back as a major world power.

[21:36] <HostBob> What are we discussing?

[21:36] <awarrior-VHL> thanks dovecry,for helping me out there

[21:37] <HostBob> Yes, Light, I traded a few emails with him this week

[21:37] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6lol, I asked a question then the " " hit the fan

[21:37] <rain-VHL> 10ufo's and aliens are satanic and a ploy for the New World Order - they are a way to explain away the Raptured Church

[21:37] <Eagle-VHL> Well, Bob, scroll up?

[21:37] <Eutycus-VHL> Simon...I'm sorry...I fail to follow you..

[21:37] <HostBob> :)

[21:37] <mytan-VHL> 4Yes, many of us have read the Left Behind books.

[21:37] <light2-VHL> Ok I was hoping he was ok

[21:37] <HostBob> How is that, Eu?

[21:37] <Eagle-VHL> We no longer feel the US is Christian?

[21:37] <light2-VHL> I guess Iam getting a little paranoid

[21:37] <eli-VHL> i agrre rain thanks for responding.anyone else?

[21:37] <dovecry-VHL> Thank you Bob, {Me LAUGHING}

[21:37] <Gran-VHL> :) amen Euty

[21:37] <Eagle-VHL> <----Vinnie Barbarino syndrome

[21:38] <mytan-VHL> 4I agree Rain.

[21:38] <Liz-VHL> lets see Bob...Benny Hinn..ufo's..Clinton ...anti-christ...we've covered alot since you've been away!

[21:38] <Gran-VHL> Simon what is this about 13

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[21:38] <dovecry-VHL> Do you have enough corners?

[21:38] <Judy-VHL> 2HEY RAIN, I AGREE ON UFO THING!

[21:38] <stillwaters-VHL> Must run hope I contributed something to this discussion, be blessed in the Messiah!

[21:38] <sugy-VHL> 13I agree rain that they are for deception

[21:38] <light2-VHL> Yes Simon

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[21:38] <Judy-VHL> 2Satan's angels

[21:38] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6I hate to stir the pot and run, but I gotta have dinner , see you all in a while, no blows under the belt,LOL

[21:38] <rain-VHL> 10thanks Judy - I needed that

[21:38] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom Stillwaters!

[21:38] <Eutycus-VHL> Oh..well remember this is FICTion...but in the book a scientist discovers a formula that causes the desert to bloom....Everything springs to life...

[21:38] <Gran-VHL> :) god bless honor see you soon

[21:38] <dovecry-VHL> Ok? what did I miss about the UFOs?

[21:38] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom, Honoring

[21:38] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Keep God first in everything you say and honr honor him in all you say and do

[21:38] <Simon-VHL> The 13 has to do with the blessings that were handed out to the sons of Joseph.

[21:39] <sugy-VHL> 13See you Honoring, God bless you!

[21:39] <eli-VHL> i asked if anyone believed in ufo's or aliens?

[21:39] <Eutycus-VHL> In the study of God's Word...the number 13 is associated with Rebellion.....not blessing.

[21:39] <Gran-VHL> :) what has that to do with the US

[21:39] <HostBob> The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus,

[21:39] <HostBob> it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the splendor of Carmel and Sharon; they will see the glory of the LORD, the splendor of our God. (Isaiah 35:1-2 NIV)

[21:39] <mytan-VHL> 4Bye Honor.

[21:39] <light2-VHL> What does that have to do with the US?

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[21:39] <Gran-VHL> :) something on our money or what

[21:39] <HostBob> Bye, Tim :)

[21:39] <Liz-VHL> Bye Honor..have a good dinner...

[21:40] <mytan-VHL> 4No, emphatically, Eli.

[21:40] <Liz-VHL> dinner? it's almost ten here..

[21:40] <sugy-VHL> 13amen b

[21:40] <sugy-VHL> 13oops

[21:40] <sugy-VHL> 13amen Bob

[21:40] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Thank you all so much, your really all very kind hearted, :-)

[21:40] <Gran-VHL> :) no eli

[21:40] <hope-VHL> 4Simon, where does it show that the U.S. "carries the number 13"?

[21:40] <HostBob> We should stay "Bible-based" as someone has said... so let's try to use the Scriptures more in our discussions :)

[21:40] <Gran-VHL> :) amen BOb

[21:41] <sugy-VHL> 13amdn

[21:41] <Eagle-VHL> Bob, in other words, GOD gets credit for the blooming in the desert?

[21:41] <hope-VHL> 4i AGREE BOB

[21:41] <mytan-VHL> 4Amen Bob

[21:41] <eli-VHL> i don't believe they are a positive force,but a negative force of satan

[21:41] <sugy-VHL> 13oops again...lol

[21:41] <sugy-VHL> 13amen!

[21:41] <dovecry-VHL> ;-) Love to You Honor

[21:41] <Eagle-VHL> LOL sugy!

[21:41] <HostBob> Yes, Eagle, and much of that has happened

[21:41] <Simon-VHL> Eutycus That is true in Gods numerics, but 13 is also connected to the blessings that Isaac handed out to the 12 tribes, but he gave one tribe Joseph no blessing in a sense but blessed his two sons Ephraim and Mannasseh.

[21:41] <HostBob> Israel has reclaimed much desolate land and made it "bloom" in the last 100 years

[21:41] <sugy-VHL> 13:-)

[21:41] <mytan-VHL> 4Of course. All good things come from God.

[21:42] <Eutycus-VHL> Why do you think that Prophecy works as it does? How did all that the Lord prophecied come to pass.....in time?

[21:42] <eli-VHL> and after the rapture,most will say that ufo's took the people

[21:42] <yeshuagirl-VHL> i guess i'll do this some other time, you all have a nice nite

[21:42] <HostBob> YGirl....

[21:42] <Eutycus-VHL> That is true Bob...and that is why I was intrigued with this opening in the Left Behind book.

[21:42] <eli-VHL> and people still won't believe

[21:42] <HostBob> did we miss a comment by you?

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[21:42] <Eagle-VHL> Shaom Yeshuagirl!

[21:42] <Liz-VHL> Bob what is Natunyaho up to these days? Is he still around?

[21:42] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom....I mean

[21:43] <Liz-VHL> sorry can't spell his name...

[21:43] <mytan-VHL> 4Yes Bob and that is why everyone wants it again.

[21:43] <yeshuagirl-VHL> yes but that is ok, i have to go got to get up early for work

[21:43] <HostBob> Liz, he is still around... and some believe preparign for a comeback

[21:43] <rain-VHL> 10eli - if you look at how our society has been moving ... sci-fi movies rake in so much attention - I was just telling my husband last night as he was watching part of Dune that no one had a problem with the lead character using his "voice"/ "breath" and yet non-believers have an impossible time with creation

[21:43] <HostBob> Sorry, Ygirl :(

[21:43] <HostBob> Next time we will listen better :)

[21:43] <sugy-VHL> 13God bless you Ygirl!

[21:43] <eli-VHL> yes i agree rain

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[21:44] <yeshuagirl-VHL> it's ok i need time to think and i'm a little tired tonight but i will be back

[21:44] <mytan-VHL> 4Come back again Ygirl.

[21:44] <Liz-VHL> Has anyone seen the movie the Omega Code?

[21:44] <HostBob> Yes, Rain, todays movies are just FILLED with anti-God concepts

[21:44] <sugy-VHL> 13yes Ygirl....please come back

[21:44] <eli-VHL> we are being instilled with so many things about it in tv,movies,etc.

[21:44] <HostBob> new age, occult terminology and practices

[21:44] <dovecry-VHL> I have

[21:45] <Eutycus-VHL> am I still connected?

[21:45] <eli-VHL> right Bob

[21:45] <Judy-VHL> 2LIZ, I saw it, but I sure didn't understand it!!!!!

[21:45] <HostBob> We are glad you came, Ygirl :)

[21:45] <HostBob> Yes, EU :)

[21:45] <light2-VHL> We as Christians should protect our ear and eye and mouth gates

[21:45] <Liz-VHL> Bob are you referring to the movie the Omega Code?

[21:45] <Eutycus-VHL> 33Hello?

[21:45] <sugy-VHL> 13In my opinion, we all need to get rid of our TV's. :)

[21:45] <light2-VHL> No garbage in and none out :-)

[21:45] <mytan-VHL> 4I believe that is why the onslaught of sci-fi

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[21:45] <eli-VHL> yes i agrre

[21:46] <yeshuagirl-VHL> thanks Bob

[21:46] <eli-VHL> agree

[21:46] <HostBob> I don't disagree with that, Sugy... in fact, when my kids were growing up, we got rid of it for 10 years or so

[21:46] <Gran-VHL> :) yes Euty I see you

[21:46] <Eagle-VHL> Hey, I like my TV! I can watch Christian videos!

[21:46] <awarrior-VHL> thanks for letting me sit in everyone. I love you. Shalom

[21:46] <mytan-VHL> 4Hello Euty you are still here

[21:46] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom Awarrior!

[21:46] <light2-VHL> Its not the TV per say, it is the on off button

[21:46] <Judy-VHL> 2Bye Awarrior

[21:46] <HostBob> True, Light

[21:46] <Eagle-VHL> LOL light!

[21:46] <mytan-VHL> 4Shalom Awarrior.

[21:47] <Judy-VHL> 2LIZ, WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE OMEGA CODE????

[21:47] <Gran-VHL> :) Euty you got bumped

[21:47] <HostBob> Bye, Warrior! Come again!

[21:47] <awarrior-VHL> 5Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. That is a command from Jesus. Pray everyday.

[21:47] <dovecry-VHL> awarrior, forgive me, God Bless you

[21:47] <rain-VHL> 10Gran - I liked the Omega cODE

[21:47] <sugy-VHL> 13Good night warrior and God bless you!

[21:47] <mytan-VHL> 4Everyday!

[21:47] <HostBob> Amen

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[21:47] <sugy-VHL> 13amen warrior

[21:47] <rain-VHL> 10Bless you awarrior

[21:47] <light2-VHL> The problem with these Christian senario movies and books, is what if they aren't true to fact

[21:47] <Gran-VHL> :) havent seen it either

[21:47] <HostBob> Welcome, Nat!! Shalom!!!

[21:47] <Judy-VHL> 2I didn't understand it Rain...........I thought that it was goofy, myself.

[21:47] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom Nat!

[21:48] <light2-VHL> And something else happens and people are decieve

[21:48] <Eagle-VHL> Hey, room? Can I ask a question bugging me?

[21:48] <sugy-VHL> 13light....I have often thought of that too...

[21:48] <Liz-VHL> It was very hard to keep up with...I had alot of kids here watching...we were picking the thing apart...the verdict is still out here...

[21:48] <Gran-VHL> :) the ones that the networks and Hollywood do aren't but when a christian company does one it is

[21:48] <awarrior-VHL> 5Bless you. Read Ephesians 1:17-23. that is what I pray for you. God Bless and bye

[21:48] <mytan-VHL> 4Shalom Nat.

[21:48] <light2-VHL> Go Eagle

[21:48] <HostBob> "O LORD, be gracious to us; we long for you. Be our strength every morning, our salvation in time of distress. At the thunder of your voice, the peoples flee; when you rise up, the nations scatter."

[21:48] <HostBob> Yes, Eagle.. go ahead

[21:48] <sugy-VHL> 13and to you also warrior

[21:48] <Gran-VHL> :) that last one Jesus was terrible not scriptural at all

[21:49] <Eagle-VHL> Why do some feel the US is not Christian nation, when we have so many Christians here?

[21:49] <rain-VHL> 10Gran - I found it interesting - Texe Marrs had a newsletter out in October of last year and he spoke of the power in who controls the water and look what has happened in Canada and even a county in Louisianna was drinking raw sewage

[21:49] <light2-VHL> I really believe if we study Gods word and pray for His wisdom He will show us what we need to know

[21:49] <dovecry-VHL> Well, I Praise God for the built in censor, The Holy Spirit. He always tells me when something is not good for me.

[21:49] <HostBob> Eagle, in my opinion, it is not a "Christian" nation - in fact, I don't think that is a valid concept at all....

[21:49] <eli-VHL> are you refering to the ufo question Gran?

[21:49] <light2-VHL> US is a Nation that has many believers in it

[21:49] <sugy-VHL> 13amen light

[21:49] <Simon-VHL> Thanks Eagle

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[21:49] <mytan-VHL> 4Many are just playing the role. Many believe because they live in America that automatically makes them a christian.

[21:50] <light2-VHL> But it as a government has turned its back on God

[21:50] <HostBob> the world is in opposition to the Lord - the only "Christian nation" is the holy nation of believers from all over the world that the Lord has chosen to be His own people

[21:50] <Eagle-VHL> Ok, then, what do we consider ourselves?

[21:50] <phoeb-VHL> shalom to everyone

[21:50] <sugy-VHL> 13amen dove....yet many are deceived

[21:50] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom PHOEB!

[21:50] <Gran-VHL> :) no the movie on TV Jesus that NBC did

[21:50] <light2-VHL> Amen Bob

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[21:50] <eli-VHL> oh

[21:50] <DonB-VHL> HIS bride

[21:50] <phoeb-VHL> 6amen

[21:50] <sugy-VHL> 13amen Bob

[21:50] <HostBob> Like Colson's book "Kingdoms in Conflict" - there are 2 kingdoms in opposition to each other

[21:50] <hope-VHL> 4maybe because our nation allows the killing of millions of human beings per year, maybe because we have completely taken God out of our schools, maybe we USED to be a Christian nation, but I don't feel we are any longer

[21:51] <HostBob> the Lord's and the worlds

[21:51] <Simon-VHL> I agree with Bob, but the formation of this nation is clear, on our coins and in our documents and sayings, ONE NATION UNDER GOD!

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[21:51] <light2-VHL> Well we are under a god allright

[21:51] <Gran-VHL> :) That is correct Hope and why I answered Simon as I did

[21:51] <mytan-VHL> 4Christianity was founded on biblical principals but, as you can see, as evidenced by the ACLU and many government laws, legislation and whom they protect, we no longer worship God but ourselves.

[21:51] <Eagle-VHL> Yes, but, the US has so much! We are able to go to the church of our choice, there are many churches, and synagogues

[21:51] <HostBob> Yes, as much as a nation chooses to be "under God" they will receive the blessings of following His precepts....

[21:51] <light2-VHL> But not the Almighty, because we as nation dishonor Him and His Word

[21:51] <hope-VHL> 4How can everyone think that God will continue to bless this nation????? Please, HE is reaching HIS boiling point

[21:52] <HostBob> but there is no such thing, in my opinion, as a "Christian nation"

[21:52] <HostBob> Yes, Hope

[21:52] <light2-VHL> But as individuals, we must seek to serve him in Spirit and Truth

[21:52] <HostBob> Yes

[21:52] <hope-VHL> 4Eagle, we are slowly loosing our freedoms right before our eyes.........

[21:52] <Eagle-VHL> 2 Chronicles....."If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray....." Remember?

[21:52] <Liz-VHL> does God have a boiling point?

[21:52] <sugy-VHL> 13yes light

[21:52] <HostBob> True Eagle, God has blessed us greatly

[21:52] <mytan-VHL> 4God said there would come a time and we would be lovers of ourselves and not worship Him. Read Romans chap 2.

[21:52] <HostBob> Yes, Liz

[21:52] <dovecry-VHL> Ok, new question? When we except Jesus Christ as our savior, aren't we then sealed with the promised Holy Spirit? Then are we not become Jews inwardly from the heart?

[21:52] <Gran-VHL> :) Eagle yes so far we can but look at the things that are happening here

[21:52] <light2-VHL> His people are the ones who truly know him

[21:53] <rain-VHL> 10Have you noticed how much the ACLU, the government, the courts protect the rights of other religions here but take out every scrap of Christian anything that's out there

[21:53] <HostBob> But we have used "freedom" as a license for more and more ungodliness (as a nation)

[21:53] <Gran-VHL> We have to have christian lawyers fight for everything that is being taken away

[21:53] <light2-VHL> Yes dove cry and the seed of Abraham

[21:53] <Eagle-VHL> We also have the ACLJ which is fighting to KEEP our rights

[21:53] <mytan-VHL> 4Yes Eagle. All others are protected and have a right to speak, but rarely ever the christian anymore.

[21:53] <hope-VHL> 4LIZ, God's wrath is COMING, that IS HIS boiling point

[21:53] <sugy-VHL> 13We must all pray for our nation and for revival in the land

[21:53] <Eagle-VHL> We also have a new president to look forward to to perhaps undo the damage of 8 years past?

[21:53] <Gran-VHL> amen Bob

[21:53] <light2-VHL> We are going to have to get on our knees and Let God fight for us

[21:54] <Gran-VHL> :) Eagle surely you are kidding

[21:54] <Liz-VHL> hope...I believe His judgement is upon us...I had just never heard it called His boiling point

[21:54] <light2-VHL> Really Eagle the arm of flesh shall fail you

[21:54] <sugy-VHL> 13amen light

[21:54] <HostBob> Yes, in a sense, Dove... we do not become "Jews" but we become spiritual descendants of Abraham, heirs to the promise, because we have the same faith as Abraham... however, that does not discount or replace God's promises to the Jewish people

[21:54] <Eagle-VHL> No, I am not kidding. I am seeing there has been a spiritual climate change over the past 8 years

[21:54] <DonB-VHL> yes, revive us O LORD

[21:54] <rain-VHL> 10You don't mean Bush or Gore do you Eagle

[21:54] <sugy-VHL> 13daily

[21:54] <sugy-VHL> 13continuously

[21:54] <Eagle-VHL> I mean not one person....but the nation!

[21:54] <eli-VHL> Bob, in Genesis chapter 6 verse 1-6,it talks of evil "beings" from the spirit world?what do you make of this?and how did they escape judgement and the flood?

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[21:55] <mytan-VHL> 4Eagle. Have you taken a good look at what is running for president.

[21:55] <hope-VHL> 4Eagle, I wouldn't look to a new president as fixing anything.....they all are in agreement with the NEW WORLD ORDER

[21:55] <dovecry-VHL> Then tell me what difference does it make about America, Although , don't get me wrong I love My country,

[21:55] <rain-VHL> 10Amen Hope

[21:55] <Eagle-VHL> I know Jack Danforth is NOT part of a new world order

[21:55] <HostBob> Eagle, change cannot take place externally - I hate to say it, but Clinton is just the President for this country - representative of what it has become

[21:55] <mytan-VHL> 4Dove, by adoption.

[21:55] <rain-VHL> 10We are in this world but not of it dovecry

[21:55] <hope-VHL> 4Liz, I said boiling point, that was my words not scripture....;)

[21:55] <sugy-VHL> 13yes Bob

[21:55] <rain-VHL> 10amen Bob

[21:56] <dovecry-VHL> We are grafted into the Jewish nation

[21:56] <Eagle-VHL> No, it cannot take place externally. But, Bob, don't you think the Christians who just didn't take action in prayer or deed are now doing so?

[21:56] <Gran-VHL> :) Well Kids Gran has to go to bed see you all on Thurs night Shalom and God Bless everyone here

[21:56] <rain-VHL> 10Remember that God chooses who is to be in charge to work out for good His Plan

[21:56] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom, Gran!

[21:56] <hope-VHL> 4goodnight Gran

[21:56] <phoeb-VHL> 6goodnight gran

[21:56] <sugy-VHL> 13God bless you also Gran

[21:56] <Liz-VHL> Hope....gotcha

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[21:56] <HostBob> Night, Gran!

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[21:56] <DonB-VHL> good night gran

[21:57] <mytan-VHL> 4Goodnight Gran. God bless you.

[21:57] <HostBob> Welcome, Savoy!

[21:57] <rain-VHL> 10Sweet dreams Gran

[21:57] <dovecry-VHL> Yes! Bless you Gran.

[21:57] <Savoy6-VHL> thank you Bob

[21:57] <light2-VHL> Night Gran God Bless

[21:57] <Liz-VHL> Gran,it was a pleasure talking and meeting you...shalom

[21:57] <Dotk-VHL> God bless you Gran

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[21:57] <HostBob> I don't know, Eagle... we know that Jesus said that in the end times the love of many would grow cold

[21:57] <phoeb-VHL> 6where are we?

[21:58] <HostBob> many who called themselves Christians

[21:58] <dovecry-VHL> Judy, Thank You for all the neat stuff {SMILES}

[21:58] <Savoy6-VHL> alot of people are so called christains they think if they were born here there Christians

[21:58] <mytan-VHL> 4Well, I must say goodnight also. Thank you all for the invigorating conversation and fellowship. May we all seek to be like Jesus in all our ways.

[21:58] <HostBob> Yes, Savot

[21:59] <HostBob> Good night Mytan! The Lord Bless You!

[21:59] <Savoy6-VHL> 12it's amzing

[21:59] <sugy-VHL> 13amen mytan and God bless

[21:59] <hope-VHL> 4goodnight mytan

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[21:59] <eli-VHL> did you catch my question Bob?

[21:59] <rain-VHL> 10Sweet dreams Mytan good to talk with you

[21:59] <HostBob> No, Eli, Sorry

[21:59] <phoeb-VHL> 6goodnight mytan

[21:59] <HostBob> please repeat

[21:59] <mytan-VHL> 4See you all next week. Thank you Bob and all.

[21:59] <Liz-VHL> Bye Mytan...blessings

[21:59] <Judy-VHL> 2Hey, you are going to have to take time to write me...........DOVECRY.........sorry about the Julie thing.

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[21:59] <Dotk-VHL> Goodnight mytan

[21:59] <Savoy6-VHL> 12what is Efream?

[22:00] <HostBob> OK, Eli, I scrolled back....

[22:00] <dovecry-VHL> Yeah, tell me about it. I see that happening everywhere these days, Peoples love and consideration for one another,

[22:00] <Savoy6-VHL> 12Manners have left

[22:00] <rain-VHL> 10eli - what was your question?

[22:00] <HostBob> you are referring to this, Eli?

[22:00] <dovecry-VHL> Bye, Mytan

[22:00] <HostBob> For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness,

[22:01] <dovecry-VHL> Bless You

[22:01] <light2-VHL> Our Love does not have to grow cold though

[22:01] <eli-VHL> yes Genesis 6:1-6

[22:01] <light2-VHL> Look at the Saviors last words to the Church in Rev

[22:01] <HostBob> Some believe that this is talking of angels who "left their place" in the time of Noah

[22:01] <light2-VHL> He stands at the door and knocks

[22:01] <Savoy6-VHL> 12I love that verse Light2

[22:01] <eli-VHL> left their place??

[22:01] <light2-VHL> and if we let him In He Sups with us and we with him

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[22:01] <HostBob> hold on...

[22:02] <light2-VHL> He will fill you with his Spirit and do the Works thru you

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[22:02] <HostBob> And the angels who did not keep their own position, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains in deepest darkness for the judgment of the great Day. (Jude 1:6 NRSV)

[22:02] <HostBob> Some interpret that as being in the time of Noah...

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[22:03] <HostBob> When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. (Genesis 6:2 NIV)

[22:03] <Savoy6-VHL> 12I think it's the Bema seat jugdement

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[22:03] <HostBob> That a "super race" of demon/human creatures, the Nephilim, were on the earth

[22:04] <HostBob> has anyone heard that interpretation before?

[22:04] <eli-VHL> some say the Nephilim are alien being

[22:04] <Eutycus-VHL> Some do not believe that these were the product of Angelic beings...

[22:04] <HostBob> True, Eut

[22:04] <Eutycus-VHL> I have Bob..

[22:04] <Savoy6-VHL> 12I think I have Bob

[22:04] <dovecry-VHL> WoW that's something I need to ask you Bob. Someone told me that we are decendents from angels, because of what the 'sons of God' did in Gen.ch.6???

[22:04] <eli-VHL> and that they will return with the anti-christ

[22:04] <HostBob> No, we are not, Dovecry

[22:04] <HostBob> God wiped them out in the flood, if indeed that was the case

[22:05] <eli-VHL> i thought they escaped judgement?

[22:05] <HostBob> but... today many humans are "inviting" demons once again, through various occult practices

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[22:05] <HostBob> no, they did not, eil

[22:05] <HostBob> eil

[22:05] <Eutycus-VHL> Some say that the "son's of God"...were the decendants of Seth.....whereas the "daughter's of men"...were the ungodly.

[22:05] <nat-VHL> Amen bob! we are not decendents of angels. We are created in the image of god.

[22:05] <HostBob> eli

[22:05] <HostBob> True, Eut

[22:05] <Savoy6-VHL> 12amen Nat

[22:06] <eli-VHL> thank you Bob

[22:06] <Savoy6-VHL> 12we are fearfully and wonderfully made

[22:06] <HostBob> It's not so much the physical that's important anyway, it's that mankind had wholeheartedly decided to follow demonic influences

[22:06] <Eutycus-VHL> Amen...

[22:06] <HostBob> The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. (Genesis 6:5 NIV)

[22:06] <HostBob> Yes, Savoy :)

[22:07] <nat-VHL> When I say I mean God with a capitol G sorry I missed the Big caps:)

[22:07] <HostBob> :) Nat

[22:07] <Savoy6-VHL> 12who is Babylon?

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[22:07] <Liz-VHL> Well this has been quite an experience,but I must depart...thanks Bob and all...good night...going to watch on the wall over this east coast...goodnight...Thanks for your insights Bob......blessings:-*

[22:07] <Savoy6-VHL> 12I mean what is Babylon

[22:07] <HostBob> See ya Liz! Come again!

[22:07] <hope-VHL> 4that's ok Nat, we understand ;)

[22:07] <HostBob> Shalom!

[22:08] <sugy-VHL> 13God bless Liz...good night

[22:08] <eli-VHL> well,i must go now to read my Bible.thank you all for enlightening me on everything.i am a new believer in Christ and this is great

[22:08] <HostBob> Savoy, when you find out, let me know LOL

[22:08] <HostBob> Night, Eli! May the Lord bless you and be with you!

[22:08] <Simon-VHL> Babylon is a word that means confusion.

[22:08] <Savoy6-VHL> 12I heard it was Rome or somethin Bob

[22:08] <Eutycus-VHL> Methusalehs name means "When he dies...IT...will come"...meaning the flood. This is a testamony to the long suffering of God that the oldest recording living person....would precede the wrath of God.

[22:08] <eli-VHL> to be able to talk to fellow believers

[22:08] <phoeb-VHL> 6goodnight liz

[22:08] <eli-VHL> thank you ALL and GOD BLESS

[22:08] <sugy-VHL> 13Good night eli and God bless you and give you wisdom through His Living Word!

[22:09] <Savoy6-VHL> 12Good night Eli

[22:09] <HostBob> Savoy, there are various understandings of Babylon - it's safe to say that it represents the political and religious systems that are in rebellion to the Lord

[22:09] <HostBob> and commercial as well

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[22:09] <HostBob> Good, Eut - thanks for that insight :)

[22:09] <Savoy6-VHL> 12I heard Babylon is near Iran or Iraq I believ somewere middle east

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[22:10] <Simon-VHL> The Babylon of today is all nations and peoples outside of Gods truth.

[22:10] <Savoy6-VHL> 12I never thought of that Simon

[22:10] <Eutycus-VHL> Do you all remember what Noah was told to do to the Ark after it was built? Gen.6:14

[22:10] <nat-VHL> Babylon is also a leteral place. It is the land of Sadaam Hussein isn't it?

[22:10] <Savoy6-VHL> 12gather his Family right

[22:10] <HostBob> Savoy, Babylon is physically located in modern-day Iraq

[22:10] <kitty-VHL> 5yes

[22:10] <Simon-VHL> The Babylon of old which is a type is in the geographical location of Iraq etc.

[22:11] <Savoy6-VHL> 12I thought that was it I love Bible Prohchy and I'm only 15

[22:11] <HostBob> and some think that it the prophecies (or aspects of them) refer to a rebuilt literal Babylon there

[22:11] <Savoy6-VHL> 12I also heard Babylon was a code

[22:11] <HostBob> and others believe it may be speaking of Rome

[22:11] <HostBob> Yes

[22:12] <Savoy6-VHL> 12Yeah I heard back in John' the Revilators day it was a code for Rome

[22:12] <HostBob> I believe it may be a code word, especially if you compare the Revelation prophecies to OT prophecies such as Ezekiel 27 and 28

[22:12] <Savoy6-VHL> 12they did that in case it fell into the wrong hands

[22:12] <Savoy6-VHL> 12I'll look at that

[22:12] <HostBob> it is not unusual for OT prophecies to use "code words" - such as "King of Tyre" to refer to Satan, for example

[22:12] <Eutycus-VHL> Noah was told to "Pitch" the Ark....inside and out with "Pitch".....and the Hebrew word that is used there and translated as Pitch is Kaphar. This is the FIRST time that this word is used in the scripture...but it goes on to be used over 80 times in the Old Testament and it is NEVER translated as PITCH again.

[22:13] <HostBob> Yes, Eu?

[22:13] <Savoy6-VHL> 12the Bible has alot of codes in it that we don't know

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[22:14] <Eutycus-VHL> This is not the Hebrew word for sticky black tar...which of course we know was the intent of the pitch....that word would have been Zetteth.

[22:14] <HostBob> It may, Savoy, but I think we can and will spend a lifetime learning the plain sense of what God has said there :)

[22:14] <light2-VHL> Isn't that word pitch also used in ;Hebrews somewhere to signify How Chirst unifies the Church

[22:14] <Savoy6-VHL> 12Does anyone know when the witnesses wiil come on the scene

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[22:14] <Savoy6-VHL> 12Amen Bob:->

[22:14] <HostBob> I don't know, Light - can you find out and let us know next week? :)

[22:14] <Eutycus-VHL> Kaphar is translated only here as Pitch....everywhere else in the Old Testament it is translated as ATONEMENT....

[22:14] <light2-VHL> Ok I just read it somewhere today

[22:14] <Eutycus-VHL> or covering

[22:15] <light2-VHL> Gods word is so amazing

[22:15] <light2-VHL> I love to study it

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[22:15] <Savoy6-VHL> 12amen Light:-O

[22:16] <HostBob> You know, Savoy, something that has really bothered me lately.. as I participate in various Christian forums and message boards, is how many people "know" the Bible but have missed God altogether - it's very sad

[22:16] <sugy-VHL> 13yes light

[22:16] <light2-VHL> Say there is a really neat place to read it and learn the greek and hebrew

[22:16] <Savoy6-VHL> 12yeah I know Bob

[22:16] <light2-VHL> Let me try and get the url

[22:16] <Eutycus-VHL> I would love to share something that I believe the Lord has shown me with you all....may I ???

[22:16] <sugy-VHL> 13sure

[22:16] <HostBob> we must always be fervent in our desire to know Him, and humble ourselves to really be seeking Him and not just knowledge

[22:16] <HostBob> yes, Eut :)

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[22:17] <Eutycus-VHL> Please indulge me a few moments...as this is a bit deep....

[22:17] <sugy-VHL> 13amen Bob

[22:17] <light2-VHL> http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.html

[22:17] <Eutycus-VHL> I will try to explain..

[22:17] <light2-VHL> This is the most wonderful study place

[22:17] <Eutycus-VHL> Could you all turn with me to Lev. 23

[22:17] <HostBob> Thanks, Light :)

[22:17] <HostBob> OK - Eut :)

[22:18] <Eutycus-VHL> Here in Lev. 23 God is laying out the Religious calander for His people....

[22:18] <Eutycus-VHL> As many of you may know God gave Isreal *7* Holy Days.

[22:18] <Eutycus-VHL> 7 is His number of completion...

[22:19] <dovecry-VHL> Hay! does anyone know of a good Christian ISP that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?

[22:19] <Eutycus-VHL> in Lev. 23:4-5 God lists the FIRST of these 7 days.....Passover

[22:19] <Eutycus-VHL> Do you see the DATE given there?

[22:19] <hope-VHL> 4go on Eut

[22:20] <Judy-VHL> 2What is an ISP, Dove?

[22:20] <HostBob> I would like to say one more thing, especially to you "young people" (to me that is anyone younger than me) :) .... God is looking for people with a heart to know Him, and a desire to know the Scripture - He is pleased when we make it our ambition to be pleasing to Him, and to be useful in His service by being "approved workmen" who use His words properly

[22:20] <HostBob> The Lord's Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month.

[22:20] <HostBob> Yes, Eu- go on

[22:20] <dovecry-VHL> internet service provider

[22:20] <light2-VHL> Judy Internet Service Provider

[22:20] <Eutycus-VHL> Thanks Bob...and AMEN

[22:20] <light2-VHL> :-)

[22:20] <sugy-VHL> 13Amen Bob!!

[22:21] <Judy-VHL> 2Oh, sorry but I don't know of any.

[22:21] <hope-VHL> 4Bob, can you post the verses Eut is speaking of

[22:21] <Eutycus-VHL> The Passover was on the 14th day of the FIRST month.....this is April/May on our calander remember....

[22:21] <HostBob> "'These are the Lord's appointed feasts, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: (Leviticus 23:4 NIV) The Lord's Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. (Leviticus 23:5 NIV) On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord's Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. (Leviticus 23:6 NIV)

[22:21] <dovecry-VHL> I use this free one ,but I would like to have one that is christian based

[22:21] <nat-VHL> yes,Bob how true!

[22:21] <Judy-VHL> 2Gee, Hope, funny to see you dressed in red.

[22:21] <Eutycus-VHL> The Jewish calander is Luner..and ours is Solar.

[22:22] <hope-VHL> 4LOL everyone was in green so I switched!

[22:22] <Eutycus-VHL> Now we all know that Jesus was crucified on the Passover....He WAS the Lamb of God.

[22:22] <hope-VHL> 4thanks Bob

[22:22] <HostBob> Yes, Eu

[22:22] <hope-VHL> 4LOL red looks good on me! ;)

[22:22] <HostBob> Sure does, Hope :)

[22:22] <Eutycus-VHL> the Second Holy Day God gave was Unleavened Bread in vs. 6-8

[22:22] <HostBob> On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord's Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. (Leviticus 23:6 NIV)

[22:22] <HostBob> On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. (Leviticus 23:7 NIV)

[22:22] <HostBob> For seven days present an offering made to the LORD by fire. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.'" (Leviticus 23:8 NIV)

[22:23] <hope-VHL> 4;)

[22:23] <Eutycus-VHL> Jesus said "Unless a grain of wheat goes into the ground it can not bring forth fruit"....Jesus took our LEAVEN ( Sin) in His own body...and was buried on Unleavened Bread.

[22:24] <Eutycus-VHL> Now....the 3rd Holy day is in Lev. 23:9-14 First Fruits....

[22:24] <Eutycus-VHL> Notice: This Holy day does NOT give a date....

[22:24] <Eutycus-VHL> Unlike Passover on the 14th...

[22:25] <Eutycus-VHL> and Unleavened Bread on the 15th...

[22:25] <Eutycus-VHL> First Fruits doesn't list a date..

[22:25] <HostBob> "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. (Leviticus 23:10 NIV)

[22:25] <HostBob> He is to wave the sheaf before the LORD so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. (Leviticus 23:11 NIV)

[22:25] <HostBob> On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the LORD a lamb a year old without defect, (Leviticus 23:12 NIV)

[22:25] <HostBob> together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil--an offering made to the LORD by fire, a pleasing aroma--and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. (Leviticus 23:13 NIV)

[22:25] <HostBob> You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. (Leviticus 23:14 NIV)

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[22:25] <HostBob> oops - he got booted just when it was getting good :)

[22:25] <hope-VHL> 4OH NO

[22:26] <HostBob> He's back :)

[22:26] <Eutycus-VHL> Sorry about that...where did I leave off....it took me awhile to figure out I was booted.

[22:26] <hope-VHL> 4FIrst fruits doesn't list a date...

[22:26] <Eutycus-VHL> <---Is a she;-)

[22:26] <Judy-VHL> 2Twilight Zone

[22:26] <HostBob> Thanks, Hope :)

[22:26] <HostBob> :)

[22:26] <hope-VHL> 4;)

[22:26] <Eutycus-VHL> Ok...

[22:27] <Eutycus-VHL> But we do have a CLUE as to when it was to be celebrated in vs. 11

[22:27] <hope-VHL> 4this is getting exciting!!!!

[22:27] <Eutycus-VHL> When would that be?

[22:27] <sugy-VHL> 13on the day after the sabbath?

[22:27] <HostBob> the day after the Sabbath

[22:27] <hope-VHL> 4the day after the sabath?

[22:27] <Eutycus-VHL> Yes...Sugy gets a STAR~!

[22:28] <sugy-VHL> 13lol

[22:28] <hope-VHL> 4boy I'm slow

[22:28] <HostBob> :)

[22:28] <HostBob> Sugy gets the star :)

[22:28] <HostBob> Go on :)

[22:28] <hope-VHL> 4I had to scroll back up to look! LOL

[22:28] <Eutycus-VHL> First Fruits...we see here by God's design and purpose is ALWAYS on "the morrow after the Sabbath" following the Passover.

[22:28] <sugy-VHL> 13I give it to you Bob.....you put the sripture up. :)

[22:28] <HostBob> :)

[22:29] <sugy-VHL> 13always?

[22:29] <dovecry-VHL> after the crusifiction, I'm trying to relate this to the new covenant

[22:29] <Eutycus-VHL> Now let's do a bit of figuring here.....Suppose Passover on the 14th fell on a Monday.....How many days until "the morrow after the Sabbath" or Sunday?

[22:29] <hope-VHL> 4I HOPE I don't get zapped here!!!

[22:30] <HostBob> I'm going to have to leave you all soon, as soon as Euty finishes... I have a 7 AM flight to catch....

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[22:30] <sugy-VHL> 137?

[22:30] <HostBob> but you can all stay as long as you like and keep chatting, of course

[22:30] <Eutycus-VHL> 6 Sugy...

[22:30] <dovecry-VHL> where are you going?

[22:30] <sugy-VHL> 13k...lol

[22:30] <hope-VHL> 4I have to get off too, but I don't want to miss this!!!! go on EUT

[22:30] <HostBob> I'm going to NJ on business this week

[22:30] <HostBob> go on, Eut

[22:30] <Eutycus-VHL> But IF Passover fell on Wed. how many days until First Fruits?

[22:31] <sugy-VHL> 134?

[22:31] <dovecry-VHL> three days

[22:31] <hope-VHL> 4that's my guess 4

[22:31] <hope-VHL> 4what's the answer!!!

[22:31] <phoeb-VHL> 6eut write faster

[22:32] <hope-VHL> 4LOL

[22:32] <HostBob> :)

[22:32] <phoeb-VHL> 6lol

[22:32] <dovecry-VHL> "Praise The Lord"

[22:32] <Judy-VHL> 2:-(

[22:32] <sugy-VHL> 13Have a safe trip Bob and God's blessings be with you brother.

[22:32] <HostBob> yes, Eut, you've got the crowd on edge here :)

[22:32] <HostBob> Thanks, Sugy :)

[22:32] <phoeb-VHL> 6where is eut?

[22:33] <HostBob> I think he's using a "dramatic pause" ;)

[22:33] <phoeb-VHL> 6did we miss it or something?

[22:33] <HostBob> she

[22:33] <HostBob> sorry :)

[22:33] <phoeb-VHL> 6lol

[22:33] <hope-VHL> 4this kind of fits the Yom Kippur thing we discussed previously on other chats..........EUT, are you still there????

[22:33] <sugy-VHL> 13patience is a virtue...lol

[22:33] <Judy-VHL> 2Phoeb, you crack me up.

[22:33] <hope-VHL> 4LOL

[22:33] <Eutycus-VHL> Jesus said that just as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish ...He would be in the tomb...

[22:33] <hope-VHL> 4YES!!!!

[22:33] <dovecry-VHL> well what do you think Bob?

[22:33] <Eutycus-VHL> 3 days AND 3 nights

[22:33] <phoeb-VHL> 6yea

[22:34] <dovecry-VHL> three days, Praise the Lord.

[22:34] <phoeb-VHL> 6ok can we help in some way eut?

[22:34] <Judy-VHL> 2Hum dee dum

[22:34] <Eutycus-VHL> I think He was crucified on Wed. but ....we will press on if no one has a question...

[22:34] <phoeb-VHL> 6LOL

[22:34] <HostBob> :)

[22:34] <hope-VHL> 4;)

[22:34] <HostBob> Go on

[22:34] <phoeb-VHL> 6oh lord

[22:34] <Judy-VHL> 2:-|

[22:34] <dovecry-VHL> Ok I have a statement to make

[22:34] <sugy-VHL> 13ready

[22:34] <phoeb-VHL> 6go ahead

[22:34] <Judy-VHL> 2Ready to pray, Phoeb?

[22:34] <phoeb-VHL> 6ready

[22:35] <hope-VHL> 4PLEASE, go on EUT

[22:35] <phoeb-VHL> 6you bet

[22:35] <HostBob> <--- gives dove the microphone

[22:35] <sugy-VHL> 13yes please do

[22:35] <phoeb-VHL> 6LOL

[22:35] <Eutycus-VHL> Let's look at this 3rd Holy Day that God gave to His people here in Lev. ......First Fruits.

[22:35] <Eutycus-VHL> What was the High Priest to do on this day?

[22:35] <phoeb-VHL> 6ok

[22:35] <Eutycus-VHL> vs.11

[22:35] <nat-VHL> what a joy this has been to be on this chat line. My ist time ever to be on one. its fast moving but, fun . I enjoyed reading all the comments. have a safe trip Bob Ialways enjoy your insights. Thanks to all & to all a goodnight.

[22:35] <sugy-VHL> 13wave the sheaf

[22:35] <phoeb-VHL> 6ok

[22:35] <HostBob> Dove, I think that I have much to learn about the prophetic significance of the feasts

[22:36] <Eutycus-VHL> YES Sugy....

[22:36] <hope-VHL> 4goodnight Nat1

[22:36] <phoeb-VHL> 6good night nat

[22:36] <hope-VHL> 4!

[22:36] <HostBob> Bye Nat! Come Again!!!

[22:36] <HostBob> Shalom to you!

[22:36] <dovecry-VHL> The wed, before Good Friday this ressurection day, I had been praying

[22:36] <sugy-VHL> 13Yea!

[22:36] <sugy-VHL> 13lol

[22:36] <sugy-VHL> 13Night nat...God bless you!

[22:36] <phoeb-VHL> 6lol

[22:36] <Eutycus-VHL> The High priest was to take a cutting of the early harvest....and offer it to God as a Token of a GREATER harvest to come at the end of the long summer growing season....

[22:37] <Eutycus-VHL> WHO was our Last and final High Priest?

[22:37] <sugy-VHL> 13Jesus

[22:37] <phoeb-VHL> 6jesus

[22:37] <Eutycus-VHL> And OUR High Priest didn't raise Barley did He? Turn with me to Matt. 27:50-53

[22:38] <hope-VHL> 4LOL, yes pastor ;)

[22:38] <phoeb-VHL> 6LOL

[22:38] <nat-VHL> Sugy thanks for your blessing. He surely does bless us doesn't He? I'll try to come back again. blessings to you all!

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[22:38] <phoeb-VHL> 6flip flip flip the pages

[22:38] <sugy-VHL> 13Amen, He certainly does!

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[22:38] <hope-VHL> 4Bob, are you going to post this one? ;)

[22:39] <phoeb-VHL> 6help

[22:39] <hope-VHL> 4Matt. 27:50-53

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[22:39] <phoeb-VHL> 6oh that helped

[22:39] <nega-VHL> 13aloha!

[22:39] <hope-VHL> 4Hi nega!

[22:39] <Judy-VHL> 2Oh, Nega, where have you been girl?

[22:39] <phoeb-VHL> 6hello nega

[22:39] <HostBob> Hello, Hawk, Alicea, Nega!!!

[22:39] <Eutycus-VHL> Anyone?

[22:40] <Alicea-VHL> Hi everyone

[22:40] <phoeb-VHL> 6you go eut

[22:40] <HostBob> Yes, Hope, Stan will post this transcript on VHL

[22:40] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Hi Bob.

[22:40] <hope-VHL> 4Eut.......please go on

[22:40] <phoeb-VHL> 6we're waiting patiently

[22:40] <Eutycus-VHL> What did Jesus offer to the Father as His token of a Greater harvest to come ???

[22:40] <Judy-VHL> 2Phoeb, take a deep breath. Inhale............Exhale..........

[22:40] <sugy-VHL> 13And coming out of the tombs after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many people

[22:40] <HostBob> LOL

[22:40] <nega-VHL> 13hi hope! hi everyone! I just came home a little while ago. I have a life sometimes, but on Mondays it's quite annoying...

[22:40] <phoeb-VHL> 6lol

[22:40] <hope-VHL> 4his life?

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[22:41] <light2-VHL> Have to sign out all, God Bless you all, I love you, stay close to Jesus

[22:41] <HostBob> Shalom and welcome, Jim!

[22:41] <sugy-VHL> 13???

[22:41] <nega-VHL> 133bye light2!

[22:41] <hope-VHL> 4God Bless you LIGHT!!! ;)

[22:41] <phoeb-VHL> 6goodnight light

[22:41] <Judy-VHL> 2Take care Light2

[22:41] <HostBob> Bye Light! :)

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[22:41] <sugy-VHL> 13and you also light!

[22:41] <dovecry-VHL> to the Lord to deliver me from a bondage I didn't want or need (smoking) I prayed LORD You have the power to take this thought of smoking out of my thoughts and I know You can. well I went to church that night and when I cane home I didn't smoke anymore, and it doesn't bother me if someone doees because God has delivered me. I say this because I believe something special happened to me that Wed, before Good Friday

[22:41] <Judy-VHL> 2Love you

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[22:41] <light2-VHL> Love you too very much

[22:41] <Eutycus-VHL> Jesus was the FIRST FRUIT of the dead.....He ROSE not on "Easter"...which many of you may know was pagan...but on First Fruits by God's design....and AFTER His resurrection...He raised these "many" of Matt. 27.

[22:42] <phoeb-VHL> 6PRAISE GOD DOVECRY

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[22:42] <Judy-VHL> 2Dovecry.........that, dear friend, is amazing!!!!!

[22:42] <Eutycus-VHL> Understand He rose FIRST..and then He resurrected these many....with me here?

[22:42] <Judy-VHL> 2Praise the Lord.

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[22:42] <sugy-VHL> 13Praise God! Amen

[22:42] <Judy-VHL> 2Yep

[22:42] <HostBob> Wonderful, Dove! Is there anything the Lord cannot do? NO NO NO!!! :)

[22:42] <jim-VHL> Hi Bob ! Hi everyone. just stopping in to listen for a while

[22:42] <hope-VHL> 4kind of

[22:43] <HostBob> We are listening, Eut :)

[22:43] <Alicea-VHL> I quite smolking since last Nov. It was hard, but the lord helped me thru it all

[22:43] <Judy-VHL> 2Hello, Jim

[22:43] <dovecry-VHL> I believe there is some signifince to the Wed. before in the Lords time and this Wed I am speaking of.

[22:43] <phoeb-VHL> 6hi jim

[22:43] <HostBob> Glad you did, Jim!

[22:43] <sugy-VHL> 13ok, still with you.....I think...

[22:43] <Eutycus-VHL> Have you ever wondered WHAT became of these "Many"?

[22:43] <sugy-VHL> 13:)

[22:43] <Judy-VHL> 2I still smoke, because I have not asked the Lord to help. You see, I am afraid that He will.

[22:43] <Eutycus-VHL> Did they have to die twice? That is contrary to scripture isn't it?

[22:43] <hope-VHL> 4 24 elders? I have no clue

[22:43] <phoeb-VHL> 6eut tell us.

[22:44] <HostBob> Dove, certainly, for you, it was very significant :) But the Lord is in the business of doing great deeds of deliverance EVERY DAY :)

[22:44] <dovecry-VHL> I am still in awe of it , and you would have to be a smoker or ex smoker to know the joy I have

[22:44] <sugy-VHL> 13hmmmmm...

[22:44] <phoeb-VHL> 6AMEN TO THAT BOB

[22:44] <hope-VHL> 4GO ON EUT

[22:44] <nega-VHL> 3idem

[22:44] <Eutycus-VHL> And of course we know that they are not STILL walking around over in Israel are they?

[22:44] <sugy-VHL> 13lol @ Judy...me too. :)

[22:44] <dovecry-VHL> Cool Judy, but I did't want to smoke anymore

[22:44] <Eutycus-VHL> that is contrary to everything....lol

[22:45] <sugy-VHL> 13well, they could be I suppose

[22:45] <sugy-VHL> 13could they be??

[22:45] <dovecry-VHL> My heart !

[22:45] <Eutycus-VHL> I believe that we have a God that does ALL things for His own purpose and Glory...amen???

[22:45] <phoeb-VHL> 6i don't have a clue

[22:45] <sugy-VHL> 13amen

[22:45] <phoeb-VHL> 6amen

[22:45] <Alicea-VHL> Judy I didn't plan to quit it just happened one day I prayed for the lord to help and he sure did

[22:45] <hope-VHL> 4Ok, I think I lost track here.......

[22:45] <HostBob> Me neither - it doesn't say, though I suppose they were caught up to heaven?

[22:45] <jim-VHL> brb

[22:46] <hope-VHL> 4that was my thought Bob

[22:46] <sugy-VHL> 13What do you think happened Eutycus?

[22:46] <Eutycus-VHL> And I believe that these were not just a Random...resurrection....not every sandal maker and fish monger got up out of there tomb here....these were chosen and called forth for a PURPOSE.

[22:46] <dovecry-VHL> took me 2 1/2 yrs.

[22:47] <sugy-VHL> 13and that purpose was???

[22:47] <dovecry-VHL> what is it that you don't have a clue to phoeb?

[22:47] <hope-VHL> 4could these be the 24 elders that are talked about?????

[22:47] <phoeb-VHL> 6where eut is taking us

[22:47] <sugy-VHL> 13I think I got lost....lol

[22:47] <Eutycus-VHL> I believe that 40 days later...these "many" were covered in robes of Righteousness....and THEY were the great cloud of wittnesses that He ascended up in....Just as WE will be covered in Robes of Righteousness and riding with Him when He returns.

[22:48] <phoeb-VHL> 6i know i did

[22:48] <Eutycus-VHL> They were RAISED for His GLORY

[22:48] <hope-VHL> 4could be Eut.........

[22:48] <hope-VHL> 4that would have been awesome huh?

[22:49] <HostBob> interesting

[22:49] <Simon-VHL> Good job, Eutycus!

[22:49] <Eutycus-VHL> They were His High Priestly offering to the Father of a greater harvest to come at the end of the long summer growing season....or the Church Age...at the Rapture.

[22:49] <phoeb-VHL> 6very interesting

[22:49] <sugy-VHL> 13what scripture is that? about the great cloud of witnesses?

[22:49] <Eutycus-VHL> Now stay with me...there is MORE...

[22:49] <dovecry-VHL> I Love this, this is a blessing, Bob whta do you think:-)Thank you Eutycus

[22:49] <Eutycus-VHL> WHO were these "many"???

[22:49] <HostBob> I think.. that I have much to learn :)

[22:50] <hope-VHL> 4the 24 elders?????????????

[22:50] <phoeb-VHL> 6lol

[22:50] <Eutycus-VHL> No....

[22:50] <hope-VHL> 4ok,

[22:50] <Eutycus-VHL> Let's turn to Rev. 14:1-4 Bob could you post this please?

[22:50] <dovecry-VHL> the 12 friom the old covenant, and the 12 from the new?

[22:51] <HostBob> Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. (Revelation 14:1 NIV)

[22:51] <HostBob> And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. (Revelation 14:2 NIV)

[22:51] <HostBob> And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. (Revelation 14:3 NIV)

[22:51] <HostBob> These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. (Revelation 14:4 NIV)

[22:51] <phoeb-VHL> 6great job bob, you are fast

[22:51] <sugy-VHL> 13wow...yeah Bob

[22:51] <Eutycus-VHL> The Apostle John in on the Island of Pathmos....and he has this vision...remember?

[22:52] <Eutycus-VHL> Who did John see in this vision?

[22:52] <phoeb-VHL> 6i remember

[22:52] <Eutycus-VHL> thanks Bob..

[22:52] <Eutycus-VHL> we still here?

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[22:53] <sugy-VHL> 13yep yep

[22:53] <phoeb-VHL> 6seven golden candlestick the son of man clothed with a farment down to the foot

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[22:53] <Eutycus-VHL> Sorry ..booted again....

[22:53] <phoeb-VHL> 6in the center

[22:53] <Eutycus-VHL> Who did John see in his vision?

[22:53] <Alicea-VHL> Goodnight and God Bless All

[22:54] <phoeb-VHL> 6son of man

[22:54] <HostBob> Night, Alicea!

[22:54] <dovecry-VHL> bless you alicea

[22:54] <Eutycus-VHL> yes...John sees Jesus doesn't he?

[22:54] <phoeb-VHL> 6yes

[22:54] <Eutycus-VHL> and with Him....the 144,000

[22:54] <sugy-VHL> 13I know my feet don't fit on a limb, but..Whooo Whooo...lol

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[22:54] <hope-VHL> 4I'll have to catch the ending tomorrow........please wait until he finishes to get the scripts BOB!!!! May God Bless you all! ;)

[22:54] <phoeb-VHL> 6yes

[22:55] <Eutycus-VHL> notice in vs. 3....these sang a "new song" that ONLY they could sing...

[22:55] <HostBob> :) night, Hope :)

[22:55] <Eutycus-VHL> they had been Purchased from the earth...

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[22:55] <Eutycus-VHL> vs. 4 they follow the Lamb wherever He goes....

[22:55] <nega-VHL> 3bye hope!!!!

[22:55] <Eutycus-VHL> He went UP.....they went UP..

[22:55] <phoeb-VHL> 6goodnight hope

[22:55] <Eutycus-VHL> He came down...they come down..

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[22:56] <Eutycus-VHL> These are "first fruit to God and to the Lamb"

[22:56] <nega-VHL> 3may I ask a question? (it' a dumb one as always...)

[22:56] <Judy-VHL> 2Ok, Eutycus, does this tell us then an approximate time for the Rapture? As in Pre, Mid or Post?

[22:56] <Eutycus-VHL> no dumb questions..

[22:56] <HostBob> Go, Nega

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[22:56] <Eutycus-VHL> Hang on Judy...OK?

[22:56] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Isn't this talking about the 144000 jewish people that will preach the Gospel during the tribulation?

[22:57] <nega-VHL> 3what does eutycus mean? if theres a meaning...

[22:57] <dovecry-VHL> Thank you Judy.

[22:57] <Judy-VHL> 2I'll try!

[22:57] <HostBob> I'm reserving comment until I hear the "punch line"

[22:57] <incense11> Shalom all

[22:57] <phoeb-VHL> 6i think as hawkeye

[22:57] <phoeb-VHL> 6goodnight incense

[22:57] <sugy-VHL> 13lol Bob

[22:57] <HostBob> Shalom, Incense!! :)

[22:57] <Eutycus-VHL> Eutycus is taken from Acts 20....my namesake fell asleep and out the window while Paul preached on and on.....

[22:57] <Judy-VHL> 2Hello Incense

[22:57] <nega-VHL> 3hi incense!!

[22:58] <sugy-VHL> 13Good night and God bless you incense

[22:58] <incense11> phoeb....just got here.

[22:58] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6I just stepped in to see what was going on, before dinner is done, what is the definition of Christian as a gen rule, and what is the words def of a Christian?

[22:58] <sugy-VHL> 13lol...oops

[22:58] <incense11> not leaving yet..... :-))

[22:58] <phoeb-VHL> 6oh hello incense

[22:58] <Eutycus-VHL> Yes...this is the same 144,000 that will preach during the Tribulation....and guess what folks???

[22:58] <phoeb-VHL> 6lol

[22:58] <phoeb-VHL> 6what eut??????

[22:59] <sugy-VHL> 13yes?

[22:59] <nega-VHL> 3so, you r sleepy person? ;)

[22:59] <dovecry-VHL> what???

[22:59] <incense11> honor.....Christian = Christ like....to world, not to good people

[22:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Hi, everyone this was a uestion I was going to submit before dinner, but I'm done now so here it is, words, just read worlds

[22:59] <Eutycus-VHL> These 144,000 will be preaching the Gospel in the worst time ever known on earth....and yet THEY can NOT be killed ....WHY? Because THEY have already experiecned DEATH....unlike the TWO witnesses who will die in the streets.

[23:00] <sugy-VHL> 13cool!

[23:00] <HostBob> does it say that they cannot be killed?

[23:00] <Hawkeye1-VHL> But they are sealed by God.

[23:00] <phoeb-VHL> 6oh

[23:00] <incense11> the 144,000 already expericence death...never heard that before

[23:00] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6so when people I ask say I believe in God, that doesen't necessarily make them a Christian?

[23:00] <HostBob> that's right, Honor

[23:00] <incense11> no, honor...most of the world says they are christians today

[23:00] <Eutycus-VHL> I believe that Jesus raised 144,000 "after His resurrection"...and took them up to heaven and gave them a "New Song"...the BIG picture...and that He will bring them down on Mt. Zion one day very soon.

[23:01] <Judy-VHL> 2OK, now I am lost.................Cannot be killed???????

[23:01] <nega-VHL> 3me neither, incense

[23:01] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6so if they are not a Christian, but "believe in God" do they still go to heaven,Bob?

[23:01] <HostBob> no, Honor

[23:01] <Eutycus-VHL> God's hand is on the 144,000 they can not be killed...that is correct.

[23:01] <phoeb-VHL> 6eut why do you believe that

[23:01] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Chap. 7 verse 2 has a Angel putting a seal on their forehead.

[23:01] <HostBob> where does it say that?

[23:01] <phoeb-VHL> 6?

[23:01] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6or kidding,?

[23:01] <Eutycus-VHL> Let me ask you all another question?

[23:01] <HostBob> thay they cannot be killed?

[23:01] <dovecry-VHL> Bob, is it possible to copy the results of this chat? So I could print it out tomorrow?

[23:01] <Judy-VHL> 2I don't quite agree with that Eutycus.

[23:02] <nega-VHL> 3Rm 10:9, Honor

[23:02] <HostBob> Dove, it will be posted on the VHL site

[23:02] <Eutycus-VHL> Why Judy?

[23:02] <HostBob> the transcript

[23:02] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6nega, thanks

[23:02] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Verse 3. Sorry.

[23:02] <Eutycus-VHL> My question is this....WHO did God Always send to the Jews to call them to repentance in the Old Testament?

[23:02] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6so Does this verse say that only through Christ can anyone get to the father?

[23:02] <Judy-VHL> 2I believe the 144,000 will be earthly Jews during the tribulation to evangelise to the world. People will be able to be saved during the tribulation.

[23:03] <nega-VHL> 3John 14:6 too Honor

[23:03] <Hawkeye1-VHL> The 144,000 are from all the tribes of Israel.

[23:03] <nega-VHL> 3u r welcome Honor :)

[23:03] <sugy-VHL> 13Moses?

[23:03] <HostBob> It's interesting speculation Eut, as is much of the discussion of the 144,000, but we must be careful to not go beyond what is written - in other words, to differentiate our speculations from the plain sense of what God has said, right?

[23:04] <nega-VHL> 3'he best one is John 14:6, Honor, that Jesus Himself says so

[23:04] <incense11> Amen Bob

[23:04] <phoeb-VHL> 6amen

[23:04] <Simon-VHL> Good Job Hawkeye, the Jews are only the 1 tribe of Judah.

[23:04] <Eutycus-VHL> Yes...in the Old Testament when a righteous person died....they could NOT go to heaven......Nobody went to heaven until Jesus died and conquered death and sin....there is NO way to the Father except throught the Son.

[23:04] <jim-VHL> right bob

[23:04] <sugy-VHL> 13amen Bob

[23:04] <HostBob> Yes, Honor, there are many many places where the Scriptures say that there is no other path to God but Jesus

[23:04] <Judy-VHL> 2Amen to that Eutycus.

[23:04] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6does it say explicitly that if a person believes in God, but they are not (Christ-like, Christian) that they can't go to heaven? what if they are left on earth during the rapture and then don't take the mark of Satan, do they still get to go?

[23:05] <incense11> true Eut...they went to Abrahams bosom until after Jesus

[23:05] <Eutycus-VHL> Bob....I totally agree....but I submit that this "theory" is better than any I have ever read....and I have studied Rev. many times.

[23:05] <Judy-VHL> 2Hades

[23:05] <Judy-VHL> 2Who's theory is it?

[23:05] <HostBob> Tim, I would recommend a reading of the gospel of Johm and 1st John- that should clarify things for you

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[23:05] <Judy-VHL> 2Did you read it in a book, Eutycus?

[23:05] <dovecry-VHL> the only way to the Father is through the Son. That's what I 've believed

[23:06] <Eutycus-VHL> God set those 7 Holy Days up for a BIG reason...they REVEALED His Son...

[23:06] <phoeb-VHL> 6theory is all you can call it

[23:06] <Judy-VHL> 2That is what is fact, dovecry.

[23:06] <nega-VHL> 3hey Eutycus, what about Elijah? And all those prophets?

[23:06] <Judy-VHL> 2Amen

[23:06] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6By the way Bob, I am more concearned for my parents and Brother than myself, I believe in Jesus and am a christian

[23:06] <Eutycus-VHL> No Judy...God showed it to me...( not to sound to ooga boogah here)

[23:06] <HostBob> I know, Tim

[23:06] <Judy-VHL> 2Ok

[23:07] <Judy-VHL> 2Just wondering.

[23:07] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Thanks Bob, my brother in Christ... your a good man

[23:07] <HostBob> Yes, this chat forum is here to present different ideas, even novel ones, we just have to be careful how we approach the Scriptures

[23:07] <Judy-VHL> 2Well, friends, I am tired and must go. It has been interesting.

[23:07] <HostBob> Night, Judy :)

[23:07] <phoeb-VHL> 6interesting to say the least

[23:08] <Judy-VHL> 2God Bless all of you throughout the coming week.

[23:08] <nega-VHL> 3bye Judy. God bles you!!!

[23:08] <sugy-VHL> 13Good night Judy and God bless you!

[23:08] <incense11> good night Judy

[23:08] <phoeb-VHL> 6goodnight judy

[23:08] <HostBob> Yes, thanks for the contribution, Eut! :)

[23:08] <Hawkeye1-VHL> goodnight judy!!

[23:08] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Judy, God bless you and I love to here from you, and am glad your here with us.

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[23:08] <nega-VHL> 3Eutycus, I am completly lost here (I got late too...)

[23:08] <nega-VHL> 3what Holy Days are you talking about?

[23:08] <dovecry-VHL> I think it's sad, though sometimes. Why can't we agree on the scriptures?

[23:08] <incense11> I agree with Eut on the one thing

[23:08] <Eutycus-VHL> I believe that when those tomb split and those "Many" came out of there tombs....that like in the case of Lazarus....the Lord was specific in His call. I think He raised 144,000 phrophets of old...or those with the heart of a prophet...to take them up to heaven and give them ( as Paul Harvey would say...."rest of the story")....

[23:09] <HostBob> Dove, we who are genuine believers agree on all of the important issues of the Scriptures, right?

[23:09] <Eutycus-VHL> To send to the Jews in the Tribulation.

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[23:09] <HostBob> We may differ on some peripheral issues, but we agree on the essentials

[23:09] <phoeb-VHL> 6right

[23:09] <nega-VHL> 3because we all come from different cultural backgrounds dovecrey, to say the least,,,

[23:09] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6RIGHT

[23:09] <Eutycus-VHL> They will preach with a conviction that this world has never seen!!!

[23:09] <dovecry-VHL> We need mor Bible Study's like this one. Sure would be educating

[23:09] <incense11> I don't agree with the Jews already experiencing death though

[23:10] <HostBob> If we disagree on the "essentials" - like the deity of Christ, the nature of salvation... then we are not Christians at all, but belong to a cult

[23:10] <jim-VHL> right

[23:10] <nega-VHL> 3Eut, what Holy Days were you talking about?

[23:10] <Hawkeye1-VHL> I agree with you on that!:-)

[23:10] <incense11> just my 2 cents

[23:10] <HostBob> :)

[23:10] <Eutycus-VHL> Well ....Incense...here is what we KNOW.....ok?

[23:10] <incense11> ok

[23:10] <incense11> what

[23:10] <Eutycus-VHL> Nega Lev. 23:4-44

[23:11] <HostBob> :) Hawk :)

[23:11] <sugy-VHL> 13Thank you for sharing Eutycus....very interesting!

[23:11] <phoeb-VHL> 6well, as much as i hate to leave you, i have got to go also. God Bless to all and keep our Israel in your prayers. Shalom

[23:11] <Eutycus-VHL> In Matt. 27:50-53 the Lord RAISED "many" to LIFE....they went down into the city.

[23:11] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6So, if someone says they believe in God, how should we approach them when they say, religion is a personal thing ,and don't want to talk about it be cause they are worried about confrentations, or dif of opinions? Help, does a real christian think that talking about God is too personal?/

[23:11] <incense11> Shalom phoeb

[23:11] <nega-VHL> 3ok, thanx. You mean those Jewish Holy Days, right?

[23:11] <HostBob> Shalom, Phoeb :) See ya soon! :)

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[23:12] <dovecry-VHL> I'd love to stay but I gotta go too. I love you all, and bless you Bob. thank you for being so kind

[23:12] <nega-VHL> 3bye Phoeb!!

[23:12] <HostBob> Night, Dove! Bless you!!!!

[23:12] <Eutycus-VHL> Yes...God's Holy Days. God gave HOLY DAYS....man came along and gave us Holidays. Go Figure!

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[23:12] <sugy-VHL> 13God bless you Phoeb

[23:12] <incense11> honor...if your saved and have a personal relationship with the Lord, you can't help but talk about HIM....

[23:12] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6good night, and God watch over you till next time

[23:13] <sugy-VHL> 13Good night dove, Gob bless you

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[23:13] <nega-VHL> 3whats the 7th one?

[23:13] <Eutycus-VHL> Well anyway that was what I wanted to share with you all....I can not PROVE this...but it makes SENCE to me...

[23:13] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6That's my exact feeling too, but my brother told me he diden't want to talk about religion, because it was too personal of an issue, do you think he is trying to dodge the conversation?

[23:13] <nega-VHL> 3the Sabbath... duh

[23:13] <HostBob> Honor, people who say "religon is too personal" are often using that as a defense mechanism, yes. So we have to be wise about how we approach it - not shying away from witnessing, but picking our spots (or letting the Holy Spirit pick them I should say)

[23:13] <SavedByGrace-VHL> 5Hi Everyone. This is my first time in the chat. Was just reading some of the prophecy information and found it very interesting.

[23:13] <Eutycus-VHL> The 7th one is Tabernacles.

[23:14] <incense11> yes, God gave 7 Feast a year which Jews honor as Holy on first and last days as high Holy days

[23:14] <HostBob> Welcome, Saved!!

[23:14] <HostBob> We are glad you joined us!

[23:14] <nega-VHL> 3On the phone...

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[23:14] <HostBob> There is a lot of good info on VHL!

[23:14] <HostBob> Welcome, Delta1

[23:14] <HostBob> !

[23:14] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6welcome, saved

[23:14] <Eutycus-VHL> Shall I go on...there is more ?

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[23:15] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Hi Saved. This is my 1st time also. Its been Great!;-)

[23:15] <Delta-VHL> Thank you, Bob

[23:15] <SavedByGrace-VHL> 5I wished I could have joined sooner. I believe this is the most wonderful site I have ever found. I am amazed.:-)

[23:15] <incense11> Shalom all first time people... :-))

[23:15] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Listen up those who are new,.... I was new about a month ago, and I've came back every week, I think this is great to talk like this

[23:15] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Thank You.

[23:15] <HostBob> Yes, Stan and his crew deserver kudos for all of their research to make this site excellent

[23:16] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6also check out www.trumpetsounds.com that is a great site, that is what got me here.

[23:16] <Delta-VHL> I like small group discussion, its easier not to talk over one another? grin

[23:16] <Eutycus-VHL> Still in Lev. 23 we see that in vs. 4-5 Jesus was crucified on the first Holy day...Passover. Buried on the Second Holy day....Unleavened Bread.. ...and ROSE on the Third Holy Day...First Fruits.....Let's look at the FOURTH one in vs. 15-22 Pentecost.

[23:16] <Eutycus-VHL> Who knows what Pentecost is???

[23:16] <SavedByGrace-VHL> 5Thanks to all of you. I was afraid I would be ignored as in some other chats. I didn't really know what todo with some of them. I am learning.

[23:16] <nega-VHL> 3still on the phone...

[23:17] <HostBob> For those of you who missed the earlier part, they post this transcript tomorrow on the VHL site

[23:17] <incense11> ME,,,, meememememe

[23:17] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Eut, the church I go too,

[23:17] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6???

[23:17] <HostBob> Saved, we are friendly here :)

[23:17] <Hawkeye1-VHL> When the Holy Spirit entered the Upper Room.

[23:17] <Hawkeye1-VHL> And fell on the Deciples.

[23:17] <HostBob> warming up to sing, incense? :)

[23:17] <SavedByGrace-VHL> 5That is what I was reading earlier. I guess it was last weeks transcript. Just wonderful.

[23:17] <incense11> LOL Bob

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[23:18] <Eutycus-VHL> Hawkeye....we are taught that ....and indeed it was on Pentecost...but WHAT was Pentecost...why did the disciples gather to celebrate it?

[23:18] <sugy-VHL> 13hello Saved and Hawkeye....welcome!

[23:18] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6tell us

[23:18] <incense11> they were to wait......on Holy Spirit

[23:18] <SavedByGrace-VHL> 5Thanks surgy

[23:18] <Eutycus-VHL> Jesus celebrated Pentecost every year of His life...yet WE ...His children do not know this....Something is WRONG in that.

[23:19] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6so pentacost is waiting on the HS?

[23:19] <SavedByGrace-VHL> 5Was it a feast time?

[23:20] <Delta-VHL> Pentecost is the time of Harvest

[23:20] <Eutycus-VHL> No...the fact that they were to wait on the comforter...had nothing to do with Pentecost....

[23:20] <incense11> Jews say this is when the law (10 commandands) were giving...they don't recognize Holy Spirit

[23:20] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6yes, to get souls for Christ

[23:20] <Hawkeye1-VHL> They were Baptiized with the Holy Spirit.

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[23:20] <Eutycus-VHL> TIME OUT....OK?

[23:20] <HostBob> Pentacost was a feast time, yes, 50 days after passover, right?

[23:20] <Delta-VHL> yup

[23:20] <Eutycus-VHL> The Jews celebrated Pentecost every year....ok?

[23:21] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6jews are like those guys who come to my door, they don't believe in the Hol. Spirit either?

[23:21] <incense11> yes bob

[23:21] <Eutycus-VHL> Yes Bob.....

[23:21] <SavedByGrace-VHL> 55yes Bob

[23:21] <Eutycus-VHL> Pente in Greek means =50

[23:21] <Hawkeye1-VHL> I found it and see what you're talking about now.

[23:22] <HostBob> Honoring, no one who does not know the Lord really believes in the Holy Spirit

[23:22] <Eutycus-VHL> The Jews celebrated Pentecost BECAUSE it commemorated the recieving of the LAW on Mt. Siani.

[23:22] <incense11> I just said that,

[23:22] <Eutycus-VHL> Every year .....they celebrated the recieving of the Law at Pentecost.....ok?

[23:23] <incense11> OK

[23:23] <Hawkeye1-VHL> It was a harvest festival when the firstfruits of the grain harvest were presented to God.

[23:23] <Eutycus-VHL> Turn with me to Ex. 32...to the FIRST Pentecost...when Moses recieved the Law.

[23:23] <Eutycus-VHL> Do you all remember what the people did when Moses was up on the Mt.?

[23:24] <incense11> yes

[23:24] <sugy-VHL> 13made a golden calf

[23:24] <Eutycus-VHL> they got into trouble didn't they?

[23:24] <Delta-VHL> Agree with Hawkeye

[23:24] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Bob, so if you believe in the holy spirit and you believe in Jesus and live for him then you know the Lord,Doesen't God allow the Holy spirit in us when he thinks we are ready, then if we don't except the spirit, then we are lost? right?

[23:24] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Yes.

[23:25] <Eutycus-VHL> Notice in Ex. 32:19-20....What did Moses do when he came down and saw what the people had done?

[23:25] <Eutycus-VHL> He was NOT happy was he?

[23:25] <sugy-VHL> 13nope

[23:25] <Eutycus-VHL> What did he make them do?

[23:25] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Upset!!

[23:26] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Drink the water.

[23:26] <sugy-VHL> 13lol

[23:26] <incense11> he broke the tablets, broke the golden calf and grounded it to powder and made them drink it

[23:26] <HostBob> Honor, when we receive Jesus, when we bow to Him as Lord, we are born again by the Spirit of God, becoming God's children. The Holy Spirit comes to live in us at that point. We are lost if we do not receive Jesus and the salvation He offers

[23:26] <Eutycus-VHL> Grind up the calf...and mix it with water..and drink it right?

[23:26] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6I've known Jesus all my life, but never desired to walk in a Christ like nature, i.e. the holy spirit guided me. I see a big differance in me now and me 8 years ago, but I believed in Jesus 8 yers ago too, just never let him guide my life ,like now through the HS

[23:26] <sugy-VHL> 13wow...I didn't know that

[23:27] <Eutycus-VHL> Does this seem like an ODD punishment to anyone.....having to grind up this calf, mix it with water and drink it?

[23:27] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6sugy, diden't know what?

[23:27] <DonB-VHL> yes

[23:27] <nega-VHL> 3still on the phone...

[23:28] <sugy-VHL> 13about them drinking the water....

[23:28] <Eutycus-VHL> Does anyone know what the punishment in the Old Testament was for a woman accused of adultry???

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[23:28] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Stoned to death?

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[23:28] <SavedByGrace-VHL> 5They stoned her.

[23:28] <HostBob> Eut, I love ya, but ya gotta learn to get to the punch line quicker in a chat room setting :)

[23:29] <sugy-VHL> 13:) Bob

[23:29] <Eutycus-VHL> No..they would drag her to the Temple...and there she would be forced to drink dirt from the floor mixed with water....IF she were guilty she would die!....

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[23:29] <Eutycus-VHL> Sorry Bob....I am a slow typer

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[23:29] <HostBob> that's ok :)

[23:29] <incense12> got booted

[23:29] <Eutycus-VHL> These people at the base of Mt. Siani....had just committed Spiritual Adultry...

[23:30] <sugy-VHL> 13This is such a fun room! I love you all!

[23:30] <incense12> yes, and 3,000 died, just as 3,000 were added years later

[23:30] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6So then when I talk to others about Jesus, should I ask them if they have made a firm comitment to Jesus Christ and allow him through the holy spirit to guide their life? or is it not sufficent to say do you believe in Jesus , and the Holy spirit if they say yes, but don't life like it, are they lost or just not mature christian?

[23:31] <HostBob> Yes, Sugy :)

[23:31] <SavedByGrace-VHL> 5I have to run, need to be at work by midnight. nurse at local hosp. Now that I have found you I hope you will let me come back. I really have enjoyed this.

[23:31] <Eutycus-VHL> Yes Incense.. ...that is correct...3,000 died on that FIRST Pentecost...at Siani....but in the Upper Room..3,000 souls were added.

[23:31] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Goodnight Grace.

[23:31] <incense12> honor....the day you get saved, you receive Holy Spirit...people just grow from that point if they choose

[23:31] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Saved, it's open to all, right Bob

[23:31] <Eutycus-VHL> The Law brings DEATH...but the Spirit brings LIFE!

[23:31] <DonB-VHL> 14good night grace

[23:31] <HostBob> bye Saved :) glad you came!

[23:31] <sugy-VHL> 13Good night Saved and God bless you....and yes please come back soon!

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[23:32] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6incense, how do we know if our loved ones are really saved?

[23:32] <Eutycus-VHL> Is everyone following...before I go into this a bit deeper?

[23:32] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6if they say it's too personal to talk about religion?

[23:32] <Eutycus-VHL> Questions

[23:32] <incense12> look at their fruit.....only God knows for sure though

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[23:33] <incense12> yes Eut...with you so far

[23:33] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6fruit....meaning if they attented church, read the bible, pray listen to christian music etc?

[23:33] <HostBob> Honor, we are called to be witnesses, that means we share the good news of salvation. We don't relly need to determine whether or not they are "genuine" in their faith - it is usually evident, but it's not our job to prove whether or not they are really Christians, or force it on them in any way

[23:33] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6let Jesus, move them in their life, the most important thing

[23:33] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Rom. Chap.10 verses 9-10 say to confess with your mouth Jesus Is Lord and believe inyour heart that

[23:33] <Eutycus-VHL> Honoring....if you pulled their smoldering body out of a blazing house fire...would they think it to personal to talk about?

[23:34] <SavedByGrace-VHL> 5thanks loads. bye for now. God Bless all of you. I will remember this site and chat room in my prayers. Good nite,

[23:34] <Hawkeye1-VHL> god raised him from the dead and you will be saved.

[23:34] <Eutycus-VHL> Have you all studied the Tabernacle in the wilderness??

[23:34] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6LOL Eut, I agree, I'm stumped by this revelation on my brothers behalf

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[23:34] <incense12> yes, according to bible... as if...light, clean, verus dark, ugly talk , so forth

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[23:34] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Romans Chap.10 verses 9-10.

[23:34] <DonB-VHL> 14no eut

[23:34] <Eutycus-VHL> I can relate Honoring....I have family too!

[23:35] <Eutycus-VHL> How many are familiar with the Tabernacle in the Wilderness?

[23:35] <sugy-VHL> 13not I

[23:35] <DonB-VHL> 14not me

[23:35] <incense12> honor, I was just with my family this evening... I am almost ashamed and embarrassed, but I just prayed God have MERCY....on my nieces

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[23:36] <incense12> I am

[23:36] <incense12> saved they say, but do not live it or act it

[23:36] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Basically he is telling me as I take it, untill I life it and he sees how I'm living,(he lives 5 hrs away by the way), and untill I know the bible better he doesen't want me to talk to him untill he develops respect for me in it

[23:36] <Eutycus-VHL> Well...before I go on....I HIGHLY recommend that you study it....for IT was a picture of Christ....in His first advent....whereas the Temple in all it's Glory and splendor is a picture of Him when He returns.

[23:38] <incense12> the best thing for you to do, it Not try to teach him Honoring...just live it, and let him see

[23:38] <Eutycus-VHL> Within the Tabernacle...Ex. 25 was very specific "furnishings"....

[23:38] <sugy-VHL> 13where do I find it Eut?

[23:38] <nega-VHL> 3still on the phone...

[23:38] <Eutycus-VHL> among them...was the Lampstand, or the Candlestick....or the Menorah...

[23:38] <Hawkeye1-VHL> God is no respecter of person.

[23:38] <Eutycus-VHL> Ex. 25

[23:38] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6like I said, it's easier for him to see me live it if he lived closer, I only talk about verses like you guys have done here to me, I've done to him and he doesen't like it

[23:38] <Eutycus-VHL> Have any of you heard of the Lampstand?

[23:39] <incense12> yes Eut

[23:39] <Hawkeye1-VHL> A real christian will want to help new converts learn the Bible .

[23:39] <Eutycus-VHL> The Menorah ( Lampstand) was to be the ABSOLUTE only source of LIGHt in the Tabernacle....

[23:39] <incense12> honor..he can see and hear in your general talk, you do not have to quot scripture to him..especially if it turns him off...you have not accomplished anything anyway

[23:39] <Eutycus-VHL> Not one ray of any articficial light could get in....

[23:40] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Like myself, I get excited when I read about Jesus and just read the bible and study it, then I talk about it and for some reason he takes it as though I'm telling him how to live his life, I only tell him how God wants all of us to live our life, then he gets upset

[23:40] <Eutycus-VHL> And the Menorah had *7* Branches....like a candlelabra...

[23:40] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Let him see the love of Jesus flowing in you will help change his attitude.

[23:41] <incense12> honor..just tell what God does in your life, what you have learned, and stop at that

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[23:41] <Eutycus-VHL> Remember ...we talked about the 7 Holy Days...and here we see that number employed again by God...with 7 branches on the Candlestick....

[23:41] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6well, it seems he is too busy to even reutrn phone calls, nor did he call our mom on mothers day, or call on dads b-day,

[23:41] <HostBob> Tim, we have to be sensitive about the way we share the good news... God prepares peoples hearts, and we have to realize at what state they are in when we are sharing one on one - if they are resistant, then we must back off a little and wait - not that we back down, but that we don't try to compel them to believe just because we badly want them to share what we have

[23:42] <incense12> well, then you just need to pray for him. until his heart is ready nothing you can do

[23:42] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Maybe he sees in you what he wishes he had in him?

[23:42] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6I see Bob, good way of putting it

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[23:42] <Eutycus-VHL> But the MIDDLE candlestick was "different" ....it was called the Shamosh...or the Servant Candle...and IT had to always be lit first...from the Altar...and from IT all the other candles were lit.

[23:42] <Eutycus-VHL> With me here anyone?

[23:42] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6yes, Euty

[23:43] <incense12> yes, I am, but think your over heads some

[23:43] <Eutycus-VHL> Do you remember what happened to the entire world when Jesus died on the Cross?

[23:43] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Hawkey, your absolutely right

[23:43] <DonB-VHL> 14yes go on eut

[23:43] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6and you don't even know him

[23:43] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6he is the oldest, and most finacialy successful

[23:44] <Eutycus-VHL> Incense...sorry I don't mean to be...stop me if you have a question PLEASE..

[23:44] <Hawkeye1-VHL> I have brothers who are resistant to the Gospel.

[23:44] <incense12> I understand it.....I keep Sabbath

[23:44] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6he spends 4K on wheels and tires on a new 30K truck without blinking an eye

[23:45] <Hawkeye1-VHL> My brothers are worried more about earthly gains than their eternal Souls.

[23:45] <Eutycus-VHL> Do you remember that when Jesus died on Passover....the entire world was plunged into darkness. He was the "Light of the World"....and when He died the Light went out....symbolically speaking.

[23:45] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6and places alot of importance on work and money, then he tells me in conversations, he (wishes) he had more time,

[23:45] <HostBob> Yes, Eut, these are interesting points, and I'm glad to hear your insights :) But one thing I have learned is that in a chat setting, we cannot do an "extended" teaching session - it just doesn't work well in this medium. We have to compress our points a little more in this setting or we lose continuity :) Just a friendly hint :)

[23:45] <incense12> that's sad Hawkeye and honor, only keep praying

[23:46] <Eutycus-VHL> Bob...thanks...this is the MOST fun group of willing ears and hearts I have encountered! I am so happy to be here I am probably boring everyone to death with what the Lord has blessed me with....

[23:46] <incense12> Bob, did you find out about the Jews in NY other week

[23:47] <HostBob> yes, this is a great group :)

[23:47] <Hawkeye1-VHL> You're right. Prayer is the key for the Lord to prepare their hearts for the Gospel of Jesus.

[23:47] <HostBob> yes, I did read about that, incense, about the protests and arrests

[23:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6I only say this because , I want you to know who I'm dealing with from his point of view, I think that is fair to let his own words talk ,rather than me talk for him

[23:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6anyway, that's all I'll say about that subject

[23:47] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Will remember you in my prayers.

[23:47] <DonB-VHL> 14brb

[23:48] <incense12> Eut...not boring, but like Bob said, most will get lost, in person I would love to sit down with you

[23:48] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Thanks Hawk

[23:48] <Eutycus-VHL> I understand....

[23:48] <sugy-VHL> 13yes

[23:48] <incense12> Eut..where you at and what dem church you in

[23:49] <HostBob> Eut, might I also suggest that you contribute to the VHL forums? (or anyone else for that matter)

[23:49] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Eut I would love to sit down with you in person and discuss this subject more. It's Great!:-)

[23:49] <sugy-VHL> 13Not boring at all Eut...very interesting

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[23:49] <HostBob> Hello, Andrew!

[23:50] <Eutycus-VHL> I am in eastern Pa. ....I was raised Catholic...and have been about every "flavor" on my journey of faith....I attend a Grace Brethern Church which for lack of a better discription is "sorta Baptist"...but I am a oddity in my own Church...<s>

[23:50] <Andrew-VHL> Hello Bob, are you still up?

[23:50] <HostBob> Yes, I am :)

[23:50] <incense12> you still with the Baptist, and learned all this?

[23:50] <sugy-VHL> 13I Praise God for all of the blessings He has bestowed on you!

[23:51] <Eutycus-VHL> It took me over 12 years to find a pastor who was not so theatened by the things that I have shared here with you...that he was comfortable with me in the flock.

[23:51] <incense12> I lived in Altoona for little over a year

[23:51] <sugy-VHL> 13I Glorify His Holy Name for He alone is worthy of all Honor, Praise and Glory! Amen

[23:52] <incense12> why not change to other churches who teach all this

[23:52] <HostBob> Incense, that may not be a very kind remark for some :)

[23:52] <Eutycus-VHL> I did not learn these things in Church.....much of this I learned directly from the Lord...but I have had a few wonderful teachers along the way.

[23:52] <incense12> Sorry, just asking him how he learned it there, not putting down the dem.....

[23:52] <HostBob> It is a bit of an over-generalization, don't you think?

[23:52] <Hawkeye1-VHL> So is it right for Israel to be giving the land back when they still don't possess all the land that God promised them?

[23:53] <HostBob> no, Hawk, they should not

[23:53] <Eutycus-VHL> I have never found a Church...even the Messianic ones that teach alot of this...

[23:53] <nega-VHL> 3still on the phone...

[23:53] <incense12> that's great Eut.....you found the teachers

[23:53] <Eutycus-VHL> He lead me to them I believe....

[23:53] <incense12> why not a congregation

[23:54] <Hawkeye1-VHL> So could this be a set up for the Anti-Christ peace plan to come into effect?

[23:54] <Eutycus-VHL> I don't know...perhaps He wanted to work with me One on One for awhile...I am sorta in the Spiritual slow learners group...<s>

[23:55] <incense12> I think your doing fine and Way ahead of most ppl. :-))

[23:55] <Hawkeye1-VHL> You're not alone.

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[23:55] <incense12> can I ask your age Eut

[23:56] <Eutycus-VHL> I believe that the Church is VERY compromised today....Protestants and Catholics alike....in all denominations..the liberal as well as the zealots...

[23:56] <Eutycus-VHL> I am 50....the mother of three grown children.

[23:56] <incense12> sorry, but the "church" is asleep and God is about to make some noice to change that

[23:56] <Hawkeye1-VHL> The churc is to busy selling stuff to help you at home.

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[23:57] <incense12> Eut.....keep up the good work, HS has taken you to school Himself

[23:57] <Eutycus-VHL> All denomination...within Chirstiandom share certain common denominators.....Xmas and Easter for openers...and they are both lies that have been perpetuated upon us ....in an attempt to take our eyes off of the Days that would reveal Him in His fulness and Glory.

[23:58] <sugy-VHL> 13yes incense I believe He is about to change that!

[23:58] <Leon-VHL> Shalom , Shalom and Shalom!

[23:58] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Amen to that!

[23:58] <incense12> SHALOM..Leon

[23:58] <incense12> Eut......For Sure......we should be celebrating the Feast and Sabbath days

[23:59] <Eutycus-VHL> Incense....I think you are right..and when that noise comes...few will have ears to hear.

[23:59] <Leon-VHL> Incense thank you I thank I will set on the side line for a little bet.

[23:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6very nice group of folks here Bob

[23:59] <incense12> yeah.....but He is going to make some before the BIG one, to wake up ppl. also

[23:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6we are all blessed with one another

[00:00] <sugy-VHL> 13Bob? Any comments?

[00:00] <sugy-VHL> 13Insights?

[00:00] <HostBob> God has been very gracious to us, giving all of us many chances to listen, and repent, and draw nearer to Him, hasn't He?

[00:00] <incense12> Leon....like they say.....just jump right in>>>> :-))

[00:00] <Eutycus-VHL> I do not think that we are bound by the Law to celebrate Jewish feast days....Don't misunderstand me here.....BUT ....I do not think that we EVER were given the right to take what is profane and call it Holy.

[00:00] <sugy-VHL> 13Amen to that Bob

[00:01] <incense12> Amen Bob, and Thank God

[00:01] <Hawkeye1-VHL> I Thank Him for His Mercy everyday.

[00:01] <sugy-VHL> 13Thank you Jesus!

[00:01] <HostBob> And as we approach the end times, He is calling His true believers to get serious about serving Him - to shove aside the inconsequential things of life and seek His face fervently

[00:01] <incense12> Eut.... to celebrate Jewish feast???? they are not Jewish feast... they are God feast... and He is the one who says to do them

[00:02] <Leon-VHL> That makes me feel like im a tigger incense.

[00:02] <sugy-VHL> 13Yes Bob! To seek His Face! Amen!

[00:02] <jim-VHL> so glad i dropped in to listen , love you all look forward to getting together next week. good night to all from oklahoma usa

[00:02] <incense12> tigger? what ya mean

[00:02] <Hawkeye1-VHL> I study my Bible more now than I ever have before because I think the time is short!

[00:02] <HostBob> We are not, as Eut says, "compelled" to celebrate the feasts - Paul is clear about that - however, we should at the very least remember the significance of them

[00:02] <DonB-VHL> 14Good night to all.....Shalom...

[00:03] <HostBob> Yes, Hawk!!!

[00:03] <Ketla-VHL> hello all!

[00:03] <sugy-VHL> 13Good night Jim and God bless you richly in all things!

[00:03] <HostBob> Good night Jim!!

[00:03] <Eutycus-VHL> We do well to remember that Israel wanted to honor Jehovah....who had just delivered them out of bondage...and brought them throught the Red Sea.....They went to their "religious leader" Aaron..and said "make us a god we can relate too" ( my paraphrase).....God was not happy with they "IDEA"...anymore than He is happy with our Easter...or Xmas..

[00:03] <sugy-VHL> 13Hello Ketla

[00:03] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6Bob, just ourt of curriosity, what would be an example of seeking Gods face fervently be like , I know in my own way, but maybe I'm missing somthing, can you tell us in what way we are called to do this, I DON"T WANT TO MESS UP IN THIS

[00:03] <HonoringGod-VHL> 6;-)

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[00:04] <incense12> what ever you all think, but I read God set them up and said to observe just as he said to do in rememberance of me..

[00:04] <Eutycus-VHL> That is how I feel also Bob....we are not bound to them..but they WILL bless us if we will look upon them ...wE have the Christian liberety to clelbrate them or not...but we NEVER have the liberty to take the profane and call it Holy.

[00:05] <Leon-VHL> incense the cartoon .

[00:05] <HostBob> Tim, seeking His face means that we desire to be pleasing to Him, to know Him better, and to abstain from the things that He does not like - but it's not a matter of trying to be "good enough" for Him

[00:05] <Andrew-VHL> Did not Christ basically fulfilled all those feast days? Is not Christ our Passover? Is not Christ our Unleavened Bread? Is Not Christ The Firstfruit? Is not Christ our Day of Atonement which is no longer celebrated once a year but at any time in which one wishes to repent?

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[00:05] <incense12> don't know the cartoon Leon

[00:05] <HostBob> we know that we can only approach Him because of His grace

[00:06] <Eutycus-VHL> Yes indeed Andrew....He fulfilled ALL things...It is finished!

[00:06] <HostBob> Yes, Andrew, Christ is the fulfillment of all

[00:06] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Yes He Is Andrew.

[00:06] <sugy-VHL> 13Amen Andrew

[00:06] <HostBob> which is why we are not compelled to observe the feasts, but we remember them as pointing to Christ

[00:06] <Eutycus-VHL> But....I will add this one comment Andrew.....ok?

[00:06] <incense12> without knowing Jewish roots we sure do miss alot

[00:06] <Eutycus-VHL> AMEN Incense!

[00:07] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Yes we do.

[00:07] <Leon-VHL> Thats ok theres a lot of things I dont no.Avery day we learn something new.

[00:07] <incense12> Leon where u from

[00:07] <sugy-VHL> 13and we have God to thank for that also

[00:07] <nega-VHL> 3still on the phone...

[00:07] <HostBob> I must be going, everyone :)

[00:07] <sugy-VHL> 13lol@nega

[00:08] <HostBob> Good night and thanks for joining us

[00:08] <Eutycus-VHL> Andrew...We have Christ crucified on Passover, buried on Unleavened Bread...and Rose on First Fruits.....and then He sent the Holy Spirit at Pentecost......

[00:08] <incense12> oh no......Bob......

[00:08] <Hawkeye1-VHL> Okay Bob. Goodnight and God Bless.

[00:08] <HostBob> and please remember that Stan hosts a chat on Thursdays

[00:08] <HostBob> yes, incense/

[00:08] <HostBob> ?

[00:08] <sugy-VHL> 13Good night Bob...have a safe trip...see you next week

[00:08] <sugy-VHL> 13God bless you!

[00:08] <incense12> LOL.......JK.......have a nice night... Shalom

[00:08] <HostBob> Thanks :)

[00:08] <HostBob> Shalom :)

[00:09] <incense12> Leon are you new to the chat

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