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*** Log file opened: 5/22/00 6:49:29 PM [18:49] <EagleofGod-VHL> Well, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon....all have parts of Israel. Judah was to the south, was it not? [18:49] <HostBob> Yes, Judah was to the south [18:50] <EagleofGod-VHL> So it is Judah that has been restored [18:50] <HostBob> And you are right, all of those have parts of Israel [18:50] <HostBob> the land [18:50] <phoeb-VHL> I wish I had a map to keep up, does anyone know where to find one the internet [18:50] <EagleofGod-VHL> Perhaps it is Praise to Adonai that will bring about the restoration of Israel, then? [18:50] <HostBob> and even more - according to what God told Abraham, it will ultimately stretch to the Euphrates, right? [18:50] <HostBob> phoeb, I have one on my website.... [18:51] <phoeb-VHL> oh you web site is? [18:51] <EagleofGod-VHL> Host Bob, that is what I read it as [18:51] <EagleofGod-VHL> map? Map? [18:51] <EagleofGod-VHL> Can I have one too? :-) [18:51] <HostBob> Yes, hold on.... [18:51] <EagleofGod-VHL> Thankyou! :-) [18:51] <EagleofGod-VHL> Phoeb, great idea! [18:51] <phoeb-VHL> ask and you shall receive [18:52] <EagleofGod-VHL> (I talk alot when excited and/or nervous) [18:52] <phoeb-VHL> thanks [18:52] <PastorSan-VHL> EagleofGod, one what? [18:52] <HostBob> http://www.trumpetsounds.com/boundaries.html - This article has a map that shows the boundaries outlined in Numbers 34 superimposed on the current political boundaries [18:52] <HostBob> it's quite telling [18:52] <EagleofGod-VHL> A map of Israel [18:52] <EagleofGod-VHL> Ok...brb [18:52] <phoeb-VHL> very good !! [18:52] <PastorSan-VHL> Sounds good, I'm going to write it down [18:53] <HostBob> Yes, I had no idea - it includes most of Lebanon and a large chunk of Syria [18:53] <EagleofGod-VHL> Yup. That is why Syria wants Golan.....I think the eviction notice is forthcoming? [18:53] <EagleofGod-VHL> LOL [18:54] <HostBob> yeah :) [18:54] <EagleofGod-VHL> I think I have found a great "home" of people to talk to on here [18:54] <PastorSan-VHL> Is this chat room open 24/7 ? [18:55] <EagleofGod-VHL> So much....sigh! [18:55] <HostBob> San, the chat rooms are always open... [18:55] <phoeb-VHL> This is only my 3rd time and I am addicted. [18:55] <HostBob> but the only moderated and largely attended chats are Mon and Wed at 8 PM [18:55] <phoeb-VHL> I just can not get enough of this info. [18:55] <PastorSan-VHL> :-) Good [18:56] <EagleofGod-VHL> I read the chat log from Stan's room last week and was immediately hooked! [18:57] <HostBob> Yes, we have good participation and lively topics! [18:57] <EagleofGod-VHL> Well, my new friends, I need to go so I can come back! LOL [18:57] <phoeb-VHL> The other night they were talking about the writings of Josephus. Can you help me understand where I get that and what is the story behind them [18:57] <EagleofGod-VHL> Shalom! [18:57] <HostBob> See you in a few, Eagle :) [18:57] <HostBob> Yes, Phoeb.... [18:57] EagleofGod-VHL [~EagleofGod-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (EagleofGod-VHL has left the room) [18:57] <phoeb-VHL> bye eagleof god [18:57] <HostBob> Josephus was a Jewish noble and general at the time of the rebellion against Rome @ 70 AD.... [18:58] <HostBob> He was in charge of an army force in Galilee... [18:58] <HostBob> that fought against Rome prior to the destruction of Jerusalem... [18:58] <HostBob> and his forces lost the battle, and he alone survived... [18:58] <phoeb-VHL> oh my this is sooo interesting for me. [18:59] <PastorSan-VHL> bye Eagle [18:59] <HostBob> and become what most Jews describe as a traitor... he went over to the Romans... [18:59] <HostBob> and then tried to persuade the Jews in Jerusalem to surrender because it was a lost cause [18:59] <HostBob> and afterwards, lived the rest of his life in Rome, writing the only history of those days [19:00] <HostBob> that's a short summary :) [19:00] <phoeb-VHL> you did GREAT [19:00] <HostBob> :) [19:01] <HostBob> He also supposed had "prophecied" to Vespasian that he would become emporer [19:01] <phoeb-VHL> now what do i ask for when looking for these writings? [19:01] <HostBob> which he did [19:01] <HostBob> Well, "The Jewish Wars" is his writing about those times, readily available, look for a modern translation of it [19:01] <HostBob> available from Amazon.com [19:02] <phoeb-VHL> 9i just got to read those. [19:03] <phoeb-VHL> 96I am studying Jewish history now and I absolutely love it. [19:03] <HostBob> I have a very good fictional novel about those events, written by a Christian writer, but it might be out of print [19:03] <phoeb-VHL> 6I just am hungry for it all. [19:03] <phoeb-VHL> 6can't seem to get enough [19:03] <HostBob> It's called "The Fall of Jerusalem" by Robert Wise [19:04] <HostBob> by Thomas Nelson publishers [19:04] <phoeb-VHL> 6God's word goes so much futher than our church [19:04] <HostBob> Yes, phoeb, it's helpful to get some historical understanding [19:04] <HostBob> Jesus prophecied about those events in 70 AD, of course [19:04] <phoeb-VHL> 6got it and i will checking these out [19:05] <phoeb-VHL> 6i have a question [19:05] <HostBob> yes? [19:05] <phoeb-VHL> 6aren't we all decendents of God right [19:05] <phoeb-VHL> 6and aren't we all jewish? [19:06] <phoeb-VHL> 6where does the gentile come in? [19:06] <HostBob> we are all God's creation, we are not all God's "children" in a theological sense, only those born again... [19:06] <phoeb-VHL> 6ok, if we are born again then we are jewish believers [19:06] <phoeb-VHL> 6? [19:07] <HostBob> well,, yes and no - this is much debated... [19:07] <phoeb-VHL> 6Jesus was a jew, he taught jews he taught in jewish synogoges right [19:07] <HostBob> we do not become "Jewish" in my opinion, but we do become spiritual descendants of Abraham [19:07] <HostBob> Yes [19:08] <phoeb-VHL> 6some jews beieved in jesus and some didn't [19:08] <HostBob> yes [19:08] <phoeb-VHL> 6explain why we do not become jewish [19:08] <HostBob> Well, here's my viewpoint... [19:09] <HostBob> I'm very careful what I say here because some distort this teaching and say that the church is now Israel... [19:09] <HostBob> replacing the physical descendants of Abraham and nullifying God's promises to them... [19:09] <HostBob> which is a lie [19:09] <HostBob> but... [19:10] <HostBob> Paul said "If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." [19:10] <phoeb-VHL> 6ok [19:11] <HostBob> to me this doesn't mean that we become Jewish, but have been included in the promises that God made to Abraham [19:11] <HostBob> the physical promises, regarding the land and so forth, will still be fulfilled to the Jewish people [19:11] <phoeb-VHL> 6in my studies when the jewish believers were split with the jews about jesus then they became the church. [19:11] <HostBob> and ultimately they will be given " a new heart" [19:12] <phoeb-VHL> 6oh, ok [19:12] <HostBob> Yes, but the "church" just means assembly - they did not depart from or abandon their Jewishness... [19:12] <phoeb-VHL> 6right [19:12] <phoeb-VHL> 6ok [19:13] <HostBob> but in fact they enhanced it by receiving the Jewish Messiah who had been promised in the Jewish Scriptures [19:13] <HostBob> by the Jewish prophets :) [19:13] <phoeb-VHL> 6new testament correct? [19:14] <PastorSan-VHL> New Heart is what we get when we are borned again [19:14] <phoeb-VHL> 6i don't see how they can ignore the new testaments writings [19:14] <HostBob> Yes, that's true.... [19:14] <phoeb-VHL> 6amen [19:14] <HostBob> and there are prophecies that indicate it will happen en masse to the Jewish people at some future point [19:15] <HostBob> for example.. [19:15] <PastorSan-VHL> Oh then you are talking about the non believer Jews [19:15] <phoeb-VHL> 6no [19:15] kathy-VHL [~kathy-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:15] <HostBob> I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Sovereign LORD, when I show myself holy through you before their eyes. "'For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and [19:15] <HostBob> from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. [19:15] <phoeb-VHL> 6the non beleiver jews are the same today right? [19:16] <HostBob> Yes, the majority of the Jewish people, as we know, still do not believe in Yeshua, but they are coming to faith in increasingly large numbers [19:16] <phoeb-VHL> 6oh now i see [19:16] <phoeb-VHL> 6lol [19:17] <HostBob> That's a promise from Ezekiel 36/// [19:17] <HostBob> some of it already fulfilled... "bring you back into your own land" [19:17] <PastorSan-VHL> Yes, I have a Jewish girl, she's like my daughter and is now born again [19:17] <HostBob> but the rest is future - the new heart [19:17] <phoeb-VHL> 6ok, then now we come to what is happening in israel today [19:18] <HostBob> Hey Kathy! Welcome! [19:18] <phoeb-VHL> 6hi kathy [19:18] <kathy-VHL> hi back. [19:18] <HostBob> Phoeb, let's hold on that for maybe a half hour until the group gets here? [19:18] <phoeb-VHL> 6ok [19:18] <phoeb-VHL> 6getting ahead of myself [19:19] <HostBob> that's ok :) we are early :) [19:19] <PastorSan-VHL> I got a new heart when I was born again and I see people all the time when they get born again, God gives them a new heart and they think differently and act differently IF they are truly born again [19:19] <HostBob> Yes, Amen, San! [19:19] <HostBob> That's the power of Jesus! [19:19] <phoeb-VHL> 6awesome isn't it [19:19] light2-VHL [~light2-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:19] <phoeb-VHL> 6oh if the lost only knew [19:20] <HostBob> Awesome indeed, and our only hope [19:20] <PastorSan-VHL> Of Course:-) [19:20] <phoeb-VHL> 6amen [19:20] <HostBob> Welcome, Light! [19:20] kathy-VHL [~kathy-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (kathy-VHL has left the room) [19:20] <phoeb-VHL> 6shalom light [19:20] <light2-VHL> Hello to all [19:21] <PastorSan-VHL> Hubby home, got to fix supper, Shalom to all and God Bless you all! [19:21] <HostBob> Bye San! Shalom! [19:21] <phoeb-VHL> 6i am just so excited about finding this sight. It is such a blessing to so many [19:21] <phoeb-VHL> 6bye san [19:21] <PastorSan-VHL> Praise the Lord! [19:21] <HostBob> Yes, Phoeb, there is so much interesting stuff on this website - can keep you busy for awhile :) [19:21] PastorSan-VHL [~PastorSan-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (PastorSan-VHL has left the room) [19:21] <phoeb-VHL> 6i print the manuscripts after they are printed up the next day and take them to work [19:22] <phoeb-VHL> 6the excitment is so overwhelming at times. [19:22] <phoeb-VHL> 6its just the power of god in me. [19:22] <HostBob> The VHL staff works hard to research topics relevant to the Scriptures and Israel [19:22] <HostBob> Yes :) [19:22] <light2-VHL> Amen [19:23] <phoeb-VHL> 6people that doen't have it think i am just crazy [19:23] <light2-VHL> It is alot of work to study these things out too [19:23] <HostBob> Let em think what they want :) [19:23] <phoeb-VHL> 6i do and i just smile and say if you only knew [19:24] <light2-VHL> It is very hot here, are you having a heat wave in Flor Bob? [19:24] <phoeb-VHL> 6yes it. but there are nights that i just can not put all this away. [19:24] <HostBob> We are having typical weather here - high 80s [19:24] <HostBob> but in a drought [19:24] <phoeb-VHL> 6light i am in houston, and it is mucho hot [19:24] <light2-VHL> It is terrible here the last couple days [19:25] <light2-VHL> Calif here Phoeb [19:25] <HostBob> That's great, phoeb! God has given you this interest so that He can use you :) [19:25] <light2-VHL> I was up till 2 am last night studing [19:25] <HostBob> What were you studying? [19:25] <light2-VHL> Oh about the internet and revelations [19:25] <phoeb-VHL> 6and he does [19:26] <HostBob> Some people used to give me a hard time about my interest in Israel and Bible prophecy... [19:26] <HostBob> but I knew it was the Lord putting these things in my heart [19:26] <light2-VHL> also have been reading a book over internet called the kneeling Christian. Have you heard of it?? [19:27] <HostBob> no [19:27] <phoeb-VHL> 6i know bob, there are some that just shake their heads at me, but they haven't been that bad either. [19:27] <light2-VHL> It is sssooooooooooo good [19:27] <light2-VHL> Everyone should read it [19:27] <phoeb-VHL> 6no i haven't [19:27] <HostBob> tell us about it, light [19:27] <light2-VHL> I happened upon it by accident [19:27] <light2-VHL> on the Christian classic library site [19:28] <light2-VHL> it was written around the time of Amy Carmichael [19:28] <light2-VHL> And he does not give his name, but hints at being a Pastor [19:28] <light2-VHL> the whole of it is on Prayer and it is awesome [19:28] <light2-VHL> Do you want me to give you the url? [19:28] <HostBob> Sure! [19:29] <light2-VHL> Ok just a min [19:30] <phoeb-VHL> 6i have another question [19:30] <phoeb-VHL> 6what is an apologetic? [19:30] light2-VHL [~light2-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (light2-VHL has left the room) [19:31] <HostBob> "Apologetics" is the study of... [19:31] light2-VHL [~light2-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:31] <HostBob> evidences that prove the validity of the Bible and Jesus [19:32] <light2-VHL> http://www.ccel.org/u/unknown/kneeling/kneel.txt [19:32] <HostBob> it's a presentation of why we believe what we do [19:32] <phoeb-VHL> 6oh [19:32] <phoeb-VHL> 6thanks [19:32] <light2-VHL> Hope you will get super blessed by this site you guys [19:32] <HostBob> that there is a rational, reasonable, historical basis for our faith [19:32] <phoeb-VHL> 6that was a test question i missed it. [19:32] <HostBob> Thanks, Light :) [19:32] <light2-VHL> Your welcome [19:33] <HostBob> I imagine some will see that on the transcript tomorrow and check it out [19:33] <light2-VHL> I hope so , I think it will help start a revival [19:34] <HostBob> A revival is what each of us needs, huh? A daily revival :) [19:34] <phoeb-VHL> 6yes [19:34] <phoeb-VHL> 6God tells us to keep ourselves stirred up [19:34] <light2-VHL> Amen every minute with God is precious [19:34] Believer-VHL [~Believer-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:35] <HostBob> Yes, and He's more than willing to supply us what we need to keep "stirred up" - but we have to ask daily [19:35] <light2-VHL> Well with all the access to such wonderful Christian writings, It should be easy now [19:35] bb-VHL [~bb-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:35] <HostBob> welcome back, Believer :) [19:35] <HostBob> And hello BB :) [19:35] <light2-VHL> He is a wonderful awesome and loving and caring God [19:35] <HostBob> Yes, Light :) [19:35] <HostBob> Amen! [19:35] <Believer-VHL> thank you. my mother is here, and I was telling her about this chat [19:35] <bb-VHL> hello [19:35] <HostBob> Hi Mom!!! :) [19:36] <bb-VHL> this is my first time on VHL chat [19:36] <HostBob> So glad you decided to venture in, BB! [19:36] <bb-VHL> thanks [19:36] <HostBob> You won't be disappointed - we have lively and vigorous chats about Israel and Bible prophecy [19:37] <bb-VHL> Anything about the Holy Land fascinates me. [19:37] <HostBob> And we have started quite early this evening! [19:37] <HostBob> Yes, BB :) [19:37] <Believer-VHL> i am so glad to hear you are inteested in the holy land, bb [19:38] <HostBob> What is it that is different about the "Holy Land" - your thoughts, anyone? [19:38] <bb-VHL> I'd love to go there one day. [19:38] <Believer-VHL> it is God's special place on the earth [19:38] <HostBob> Ask Him, BB :) [19:38] <bb-VHL> It's just awesome to think that is where the Lord lived and walked [19:38] <phoeb-VHL> 6there is no comparison [19:39] <bb-VHL> When I do go, I'll probably cry every landmark I get to [19:39] <phoeb-VHL> 6jesus' birth, his life, his teachings, his suffering, the healings, etc. [19:39] <bb-VHL> Believer, have you been? [19:40] <HostBob> For the LORD has chosen Zion, he has desired it for his dwelling: (Psalms 132:13 NIV) [19:40] <HostBob> "This is my resting place for ever and ever; here I will sit enthroned, for I have desired it-- (Psalms 132:14 NIV) [19:40] <bb-VHL> Have you been phoeb? [19:40] <phoeb-VHL> 6it is gods land. [19:40] <Believer-VHL> 7No, hope to go next year with my church group [19:40] <phoeb-VHL> 6no, but i pray daily for the chance to visit [19:40] <bb-VHL> Believer, where are you located? [19:40] <phoeb-VHL> 6that would be just the ultimate for me [19:41] <Believer-VHL> 7i am in Moreno Valley CA, near Riverside--Co. Calif. [19:41] hope-VHL [~hope-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:41] <hope-VHL> Hi BOB!!! ;) [19:41] <light2-VHL> I still don't understand about some prophecy and present day Israel [19:41] <HostBob> But you, O LORD, sit enthroned forever; your renown endures through all generations. You will arise and have compassion on Zion, for it is time to show favor to her; the appointed time has come. For her stones are dear to your servants; her very dust moves them to pity. The nations will fear the name of the LORD, all the kings of the earth will revere your glory. For the LORD will rebuild Zion and appear in his glory. (Psalms 102:12-16 NIV) [19:41] <HostBob> Hey there hope!!! [19:42] <HostBob> Glad to have you join us again! [19:42] <light2-VHL> Hi hope [19:42] _Him-VHL [~_Him-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:42] <hope-VHL> Hi Light! [19:42] <HostBob> Join the club, light :) [19:42] <Believer-VHL> 74hello hope [19:42] <HostBob> Welcome, Him :) [19:42] <Believer-VHL> 4shalom alechem! [19:42] <hope-VHL> Hi Believer! [19:42] <HostBob> that's a nice apricot color, believer :) [19:42] <_Him-VHL> Hi Im new what are we talking about? [19:42] <Believer-VHL> 4i am blushing! [19:43] <hope-VHL> 3I'm going green! brb [19:43] <HostBob> Hey Him, glad you joined us!! [19:43] <phoeb-VHL> 6hello bb, him, hope and beleiver [19:43] <light2-VHL> That one prophecy that says when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armys, to flee to the mountains, it still sounds future to me [19:43] <HostBob> We are just getting revved up, Him [19:43] <bb-VHL> Hello phoeb [19:43] <_Him-VHL> ok! [19:43] <light2-VHL> Don't even go into your house to get clothes [19:43] <phoeb-VHL> 6light- it doesn't to me [19:44] <HostBob> You are speaking of Jesus warning? Yes, I see it as future, others (such as Stan) think it may have been speaking of 70 AD [19:44] <phoeb-VHL> 6you won't need cloths light [19:44] <light2-VHL> Could it have a double meaning for both times? [19:44] <HostBob> That's very possible also [19:45] <HostBob> some prophecies did speak of two fulfillments, near and far [19:45] <light2-VHL> That is what I mean and I also see that maybe it is Post trib [19:45] <Believer-VHL> 4my mother says hello to you all [19:45] <hope-VHL> 3back [19:45] <HostBob> Shalom, Mother! :) [19:45] <light2-VHL> I just found out yesterday that my Pastor is Post trib [19:45] <bb-VHL> Hello Believer's mother [19:45] <phoeb-VHL> 6hi mom [19:45] <light2-VHL> He was southern baptist [19:45] <HostBob> oh, he's been hiding it? LOL [19:45] <_Him-VHL> 11What is post trib [19:45] <light2-VHL> He never really preaches about the end times [19:46] <HostBob> Post Trib, Him, is the viewpoint that the rapture and the 2nd coming are a single event [19:46] <light2-VHL> could you choose a different color Him, I can't read that [19:46] <HostBob> at the end of the tribulation period [19:46] <hope-VHL> 3that is soooo neat light [19:46] <hope-VHL> 3how long has he been post [19:47] <HostBob> as opposed to pre-trib, which believes the church will be "snatched away" prior to the tribulation [19:47] <light2-VHL> I know one thing there is going to have to be a purifying of the church [19:47] <HostBob> There are sincere, Godly people in both "camps" and other viewpoints as well [19:47] <hope-VHL> 3you're post, but prewrath Bob, right? [19:48] <hope-VHL> 3light, you said he USED to be southern baptist, what is he now? [19:48] <light2-VHL> The only thing that bothers me is that some may think pre Trib means no persecution [19:48] bb-VHL [~bb-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (bb-VHL has left the room) [19:48] <light2-VHL> And it just "aint " so [19:48] <HostBob> no..... I see validity in the post viewpoint, and believe that we may be here during the wrath period, but shielded from it (though most believers will have been martyred by that time) [19:48] <light2-VHL> He is a non denomintional now [19:49] <Believer-VHL> 4i believe both views. Christians who are walking will be pre, those not walking withthe Lord, will suffer loss [19:49] <hope-VHL> 3yeah, I could see that too.......I still would hope for a deliverance from God's wrath [19:49] <light2-VHL> That also is a posiblility believer [19:50] <HostBob> I think we should be familiar with all of the viewpoints (VHL has an excellent summary on their "Prophecy" page) [19:50] <Believer-VHL> 4if you are hoping for it, you purifying yourself. those not hoping may have to wait [19:50] <hope-VHL> 3I've read up on them all, and I seem to agree mostly with the Pre-wrath......but I'm open : ) [19:50] <Believer-VHL> 4light, where are you from? [19:51] <light2-VHL> Well according to this txt I am reading on the kneeling Christian, Prayer is what will sactify us, by his Spirit [19:51] <light2-VHL> Calif [19:51] <light2-VHL> He has to do the work, I know I cannot [19:51] <Believer-VHL> 4whereabouts in Calif.? and male or female? [19:51] <HostBob> Yes, Light - because the more time we spend communing with Him, the more we become like Him, right? [19:51] <hope-VHL> 3so Bob, real quick before this starts.....do you think it's the angel Michael that is being held back? [19:51] <light2-VHL> But I know that he can do it in me when I yield [19:52] <HostBob> that's why Jesus called the disciples - to spend time with Him, so that they would become more like Him [19:52] <HostBob> Hope, you are referring to 2 Thess? [19:52] <light2-VHL> I like to think the less of us indwells us and the more of him comes in and lives thru us [19:52] <hope-VHL> 3Yes [19:52] <HostBob> OK - what hope has asked is this... [19:52] <hope-VHL> 3Like in Daniel 12 [19:53] <light2-VHL> It is all of him he does all the work and gets all the glory!! [19:53] <HostBob> And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. (2 Thessalonians 2:6 NIV) - that speaks of something "holding back" the antichrist so that he is not yet revealed.... [19:53] hands-VHL [~hands-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:53] <HostBob> Many pre-trib people believe it is speaking of the Holy Spirit... [19:53] <light2-VHL> Believer, middle Calif and fem, [19:53] <hope-VHL> 3Daniel 12:1-2 ALSO [19:54] <HostBob> but yes, Hope, I believe it may be speaking of the angel Michael and his armies [19:54] <hope-VHL> 3that's what I believe too [19:54] <Believer-VHL> 4Host Bob, where are you located? [19:55] <HostBob> I'll be back in just a minute.. [19:55] <HostBob> Tampa Florida [19:55] <hope-VHL> 3OK [19:55] <hope-VHL> 3Hi Hands [19:55] <hands-VHL> 6hello everyone [19:55] Believer-VHL [~Believer-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Believer-VHL has left the room) [19:56] <hope-VHL> 3Phoeb, I didn't say Hi! ;) [19:56] <_Him-VHL> 1110HI!:-) [19:56] <hope-VHL> 3and HIM :) [19:56] <hope-VHL> 3So did anyone try to get on last night......the site was down I think [19:56] <HostBob> OK. I'm back [19:57] <hope-VHL> 3GREAT [19:57] <hope-VHL> 3we were waiting [19:57] <HostBob> :) [19:57] Wannabnzion-VHL [~Wannabnzion-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [19:57] <_Him-VHL> 10I'm signing off, im going to the prophecy page to learn more about trib. [19:57] <HostBob> Have you all been following that has been happening in Israel? [19:57] <HostBob> OK Him, see you later :) [19:57] <HostBob> Welcome, Wanna :) [19:57] <hope-VHL> 3Come back Him, we may not all agree on this point.....but that's ok [19:57] _Him-VHL [~_Him-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (_Him-VHL has left the room) [19:57] <hope-VHL> 3Hi Wanna [19:57] <hands-VHL> 6good-bye him [19:57] <Wannabnzion-VHL> Shalom [19:58] <HostBob> Hi Hands :) [19:58] <hands-VHL> 6hello:-) [19:58] <HostBob> The last 10 days or so in Israel have been chaotic [19:58] <hope-VHL> 3I've been reading that [19:58] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Firebomb at ARafats Mothers place? [19:58] <HostBob> the situation with both the Palestinians and the border with Lebanon is deterioriating [19:58] <hope-VHL> 3I didn't see that one [19:58] <HostBob> What, Wanna? [19:59] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Did I just read Israelii threw a firebomb at Arafats mothers home.... [19:59] phoeb-VHL [~phoeb-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [19:59] <HostBob> On Sunday morning, a 2 year old girl was severely burned.... [19:59] <hope-VHL> 3It seems like the Hizbollah (spell check) wants to take credit for Israel pulling out [19:59] <hands-VHL> 613who left? [19:59] <HostBob> she is Jewish... riding with her mother and aunt through Jericho... [20:00] <HostBob> someone threw a firebomb in the open window of their car [20:00] <hope-VHL> 3HORRIBLE [20:00] Judy-VHL [~Judy-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:00] <HostBob> Yes, Hope, they are declaring a victory (Hezbollah) [20:00] <hope-VHL> 3Him, did hands [20:00] <HostBob> yes, horrible [20:00] <Judy-VHL> 5Hello, everyone! [20:00] <hands-VHL> 13hello Judy [20:01] <hope-VHL> 3HEYYYYY JUDY girl! ;) [20:01] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6I have seen where Arafats' place is in Jericho.....It's a mix of Arabs, Israelis [20:01] <HostBob> From Stan's summary: Inside Israel, violence has been overflowing, as Palestinian Arabs in [20:01] <HostBob> areas under Yasser Arafat's control, together with members of Arafat's own [20:01] <HostBob> "police" force, express their hatred of Israel in specially organized "days [20:01] <HostBob> of rage". PA forces have fired live ammunition at Israeli troops and tried [20:01] <HostBob> to attack an Israeli school bus, a Jewish toddler was badly burned when [20:01] <HostBob> Arabs firebombed his mother's car near Jericho, Prime Minister Barak is [20:01] <HostBob> scrambling to put a lid on the violence but this is just a foretaste of what [20:01] <HostBob> Israel can expect in the coming months. [20:01] <HostBob> Hi Judy! [20:01] <hands-VHL> 13is anything more known on the little girl condition? [20:01] <HostBob> She is battling for her life [20:02] <Judy-VHL> 5Hi there. [20:02] <hands-VHL> 13Do you remember her name [20:02] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6thanks for clarifying! It's just the beginning, huh? [20:02] <hope-VHL> 3but I read that the day after Israel finally does pullout, that the Hezbollah, said they were going to March right in! Is that correct? [20:02] <HostBob> (IsraelWire-5/22) Two-year-old Shalev Shabbat continues to fight for her life in an intensive care unit of Hadash Hospital in Ein Kerem, Jerusalem. The toddler was seriously burned on her upper torso and head on Sunday, when her mother's vehicle was attacked by a firebomb presumably thrown by a PLO Authority (PA) paramilitary policeman, in Jericho. [20:02] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Hi judy! [20:03] <light2-VHL> Is there another verse that says things will be speeded up in the last days, beside the one that says the days will be shorten for elects sake??? [20:03] phoeb-VHL [~phoeb-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:03] <light2-VHL> I am thinking I once read something in Dan, like that also [20:03] <hands-VHL> 13what about the child on the bus, why does it always have to touch the children [20:03] <HostBob> I'm not sure, Light [20:04] <HostBob> but things are certainly speeding up [20:04] <phoeb-VHL> i' m back, i got bumped off [20:04] <HostBob> Welcome back! [20:04] <hope-VHL> 3great, phoeb! [20:04] <HostBob> And today.... [20:04] shira-VHL [~shira-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:04] <Judy-VHL> 5Hi there wanna!!!! [20:04] <HostBob> the situation in Lebanon is crazy..... [20:04] <HostBob> hi there Shira! [20:05] Wannabnzion-VHL [~Wannabnzion-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Wannabnzion-VHL has left the room) [20:05] <shira-VHL> shalom bob [20:05] <HostBob> BEIT YAHOUN, Lebanon (AP) — South Lebanon was in near chaos Monday after units of an Israeli-allied militia abandoned their positions and Shiite Muslim guerrillas and their supporters rushed in to reclaim villages held by Israeli forces for two decades [20:05] <hope-VHL> 3Welcome shira [20:05] <light2-VHL> I did study something else that may be of interest to someone out there [20:06] <HostBob> I think Isreal was hoping that the Lebanese army, or the UN UNIFIL would fill in where Isreal withdrew... [20:06] <hope-VHL> 3they aren't doing much are they Bob? [20:06] <HostBob> but today Hezbollah and Amal personnel overran several towns very near the Israel border [20:06] <light2-VHL> That like a "snare" it shall come upon the face of the whole earth [20:06] <shira-VHL> this blows my mind, every day I pray to be able to go back to Israel, but with all this going on how can I even plan a trip? [20:06] <hands-VHL> 13what did you study, light? [20:07] <HostBob> The Lebanese government has had very little say or control in the southern parts of the country for many years [20:07] <light2-VHL> I never realized the word snare can mean stategem [20:07] <hope-VHL> 3You are Jewish Shira? [20:07] <light2-VHL> That means it is planned out [20:07] <HostBob> Go for it Shira - don't let it stop ya :) [20:07] <shira-VHL> I'm a messianic jew [20:08] <Judy-VHL> 5Amen, Shira [20:08] <shira-VHL> I live in florida [20:08] <hope-VHL> 3that's awesome!!! Shira :) [20:08] <hope-VHL> 3ME too [20:08] <HostBob> What part of Florida? I'm in Tampa [20:08] <light2-VHL> One good thing has happened, that is Barak cancelled talks with Clinton [20:08] <hope-VHL> 3the word stategem means planned out.....LIGHT? [20:08] <HostBob> Don't let what is happening there discourage you - be very bold and courageous, for the LORD is with you! :) [20:08] <HostBob> Yes, Light [20:09] <shira-VHL> cool:-) I think it's time to get the erious intercessors praying. Looks like a good time for a fast. [20:09] HonoringGod-VHL [~HonoringGod-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:09] <hands-VHL> 13amen [20:09] <hope-VHL> 3where in Florida Shira? [20:09] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hello to all!, I'm baking here [20:09] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hi Bob [20:10] <HonoringGod-VHL> Thanks for your reply [20:10] <HostBob> Yes, Shira, the last several days really impressed me how much we need to be praying for what is happenign there [20:10] <light2-VHL> Sorry bout sp, strategem [20:10] <hands-VHL> 13hello honoring [20:10] <HostBob> Hi Tim! :) You're welcome :) [20:10] <Judy-VHL> 5You know what I never have an answer for when asked, is why that happened to that innocent baby girl. That's so hard to fathom. [20:10] <Judy-VHL> 5Hi HonoringGod. [20:10] <hope-VHL> 3can you say what you were saying before Light........thanks [20:11] <HonoringGod-VHL> Whats the conversation tonight, Israel? [20:11] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hi Judy [20:11] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hi hands [20:11] <hope-VHL> 3Yeah it's horrible Judy [20:11] <shira-VHL> I wonder how Clinton could seriously expect Israel to go along with these talks with everything that's happening. And I think Barak will lose his position if he doesn't wake up. I live in Melbourne. [20:11] <light2-VHL> a plan or scheme for decieving an enemy [20:11] <HonoringGod-VHL> So, how close are we to the big war? [20:12] <shira-VHL> Which big war are we talking about? Israel and PLO or Armageddon? [20:12] <HostBob> Yes, Shira, I agree - I wonder how the people of Israel who have supported the "peace process" up to this point feel when they see the violence [20:12] <hands-VHL> 13...wars and RUMORS of wars... [20:12] <HostBob> doesn't look like peace to me [20:12] <HonoringGod-VHL> So does anyone think that Barak will be replaced by a phrofet of some kind,(hint) [20:13] <Judy-VHL> 5Well, that fits in with the enemies of Israel. Forget the facade of peace talks......strategem...they plan and scheme for deceit. [20:13] <HostBob> no, Honor, no prophets in sight yet [20:13] <HonoringGod-VHL> Ok, just wondering [20:13] hands-VHL [~hands-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [20:13] <shira-VHL> I really miss BIbi Netanyahu these days [20:13] <HostBob> Barak's coalition is crumbling... [20:14] <HostBob> 2 major parties are bailing out [20:14] <Judy-VHL> 5I liked Neanyahu, He stood his ground, it seemed. [20:14] <shira-VHL> as well it should [20:14] <HonoringGod-VHL> So does anyone have a view on what Iran is going to do with that 231 million they recieved [20:14] <HostBob> what's that, Honor? [20:14] hands-VHL [~hands-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:14] <shira-VHL> Probably use half of it to plot against Israel [20:14] <HostBob> Yes, Judy, it seemed he did, as much as he could given the pressure on him [20:15] <hands-VHL> 13I'm back, it was my turn to get bumped [20:15] <hands-VHL> 13:-) [20:15] <HostBob> I read today that Iran funds Hezbollah to the tune of 10-12 million dollars a month [20:15] <shira-VHL> At least you (I) felt more at peace with Bibi in office. [20:15] <hope-VHL> 3Oh, no, I hope this doesn't keep happening tonight [20:16] <HostBob> If you get bumped, jump back in :) [20:16] <hope-VHL> 3unbelievable BOB [20:16] max-VHL [~max-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:16] <hands-VHL> 13me too, hope [20:16] <HonoringGod-VHL> The U.S. sure diden't like it when Iran got the 231m!, I think all Hell is going to break loose pretty soon, just a feeling [20:16] <HostBob> Welcome, Max! [20:16] <Judy-VHL> 5I couldn't even get in at all last night! [20:16] <max-VHL> hello, everyone [20:16] <HostBob> Yes, Tim, things are deteriorating quickly on both "fronts" [20:16] <Judy-VHL> 5Hi Max [20:16] <shira-VHL> I think you're right honor [20:16] <hope-VHL> 3How can the Jewish people REALLY and HONESTLy believe that there will be peace.....I just don't get it [20:17] <HostBob> Hezbollah is not going to refrain even when Israel is out of Lebanon entirely [20:17] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hey Bob, I like what you did, with your site, the video and all [20:17] <HostBob> and Israel has already forcefully declared what will happen... the extent of the reaction [20:17] <light2-VHL> Check out this verse you guys I found it this last weekend [20:17] <HostBob> thanks Honor :) [20:17] <light2-VHL> Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times. [20:17] <HostBob> where is that from, Light? [20:17] <HonoringGod-VHL> ok, light... [20:17] <light2-VHL> Isa 14:31 [20:18] <shira-VHL> They are tired of the terror and seeing their sons killed, they just want things to stop [20:18] <light2-VHL> That Palestina, according to Strongs, means not only palestine, but syria also [20:18] <HostBob> Wow, Light, look at the next verse... [20:18] joyful-VHL [~joyful-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:18] <HostBob> What answer shall be given to the envoys of that nation? "The LORD has established Zion, and in her his afflicted people will find refuge." (Isaiah 14:32 NIV) [20:18] <shira-VHL> Amen [20:18] <light2-VHL> I know it is awesome [20:19] <HostBob> What an answer to the Palestinians! [20:19] <Judy-VHL> 5Those verses seem to hit the nail on the head, don't they? [20:19] <light2-VHL> But look in strongs at the word palestina [20:19] <HostBob> the "peace envoys" [20:19] <light2-VHL> It is amazing how accurate Gods word is!!!! [20:19] <hands-VHL> 13amen [20:19] <HostBob> 6429. Pelesheth, pel-eh'-sheth; from H6428; rolling, i.e. migratory; Pelesheth, a region of Syria:--Palestina, Palestine, Philistia, Philistines. [20:19] <hope-VHL> 3AMEN [20:19] <HonoringGod-VHL> NKJV, phrophecy bible mine says the same light [20:20] <HostBob> Yes, Judy [20:20] <HostBob> Here is a few verses back...The LORD Almighty has sworn, "Surely, as I have planned, so it will be, and as I have purposed, so it will stand. (Isaiah 14:24 NIV) [20:21] <shira-VHL> 5Does anyone know when the PLO plans to declare statehood? [20:21] <Judy-VHL> 5So much confirmation that our Lord truly LIVES! [20:21] <HostBob> In September, Shira [20:21] <HostBob> This is the plan determined for the whole world; this is the hand stretched out over all nations. (Isaiah 14:26 NIV) [20:21] <HostBob> For the LORD Almighty has purposed, and who can thwart him? His hand is stretched out, and who can turn it back? (Isaiah 14:27 NIV) [20:21] <shira-VHL> 5Great:-(Just beore the high Holy Days [20:22] <HostBob> Who can thwart Him, indeed?? [20:22] <hope-VHL> 3Is that Yom Kippur Shira? [20:22] <Judy-VHL> 512Amen [20:22] <hands-VHL> 13no one [20:22] <hope-VHL> 3WHAT ABSOLUTELY AWESOME VERSES!!!! [20:23] <hope-VHL> 3doesn't this make everyone anxious!!! [20:23] <hands-VHL> 13oh, yea [20:23] rosesharon-VHL [~rosesharon-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:23] <HostBob> The heavens praise your wonders, O LORD, your faithfulness too, in the assembly of the holy ones. For who in the skies above can compare with the LORD? Who is like the LORD among the heavenly beings? In the council of the holy ones God is greatly feared; he is more awesome than all who surround him. (Psalm 89:5-7) [20:23] <light2-VHL> Now is the time to draw as close to God as we can, in him we have our refuge, and we should be praying for Israel [20:23] <HostBob> Welcome, Rose! [20:23] <hope-VHL> 3Hi Joyful [20:23] <rosesharon-VHL> Hello sorry I'm late [20:23] <Judy-VHL> 12Excited, in a way, and sorrowful, in a way. [20:23] <HostBob> Yes, light [20:23] <HostBob> amen [20:23] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Rosesharon. [20:23] <hands-VHL> 13hello rose [20:23] <HostBob> Yes [20:23] <hope-VHL> 3Hi rosesharon [20:24] <shira-VHL> 5It is comforting to know that Ha Shem is not getting off His throne over this mess. Yom Teruah(Rosh Hashana0, The Ten Days of Awe, Yom Kippor and Sukkot(Tabernacles, the time of rejoicing) [20:24] keily-VHL [~keily-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:24] <rosesharon-VHL> Hi everyone what is the topic tonight please [20:24] <hope-VHL> 3thanks shira [20:24] <light2-VHL> Whoa to the world when God Stands Up [20:24] <HonoringGod-VHL> Hi rose [20:24] <hope-VHL> 3Hi Keily [20:24] <hope-VHL> 3Hi Max [20:24] <HostBob> Rose, we have been discussing the situation with the Palestinians, and also in Lebanon [20:24] <keily-VHL> hi everyone [20:24] <hands-VHL> 13hello keily [20:24] <HostBob> I talked to Stan today in Jerusalem.... [20:24] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi there, Keily. [20:25] <HostBob> and he stated that it seems people are getting very concerned about what is happening [20:25] <max-VHL> Hi hope [20:25] <light2-VHL> Bob I heard that Israel was pulling out of Lebanon a full month early now?? [20:25] <HostBob> Yes, Light... [20:25] <HonoringGod-VHL> look at chapter 21 In Isa [20:25] <shira-VHL> 5yes, and what did Stan say [20:25] <HostBob> because.. [20:25] <hope-VHL> 3what did he say bob? [20:25] <Judy-VHL> 12Hey, Max, welcome. [20:25] <light2-VHL> We really need to pray for the Lebanese also, 80% are Christian [20:26] <max-VHL> Thank you, Judy. Nice to be here. [20:26] <HostBob> I got the impression that more people are considerign the wisdom of the "peace process" [20:26] <HostBob> given the recent violence [20:26] <shira-VHL> 5are they real believers are just "religious"? [20:26] <hope-VHL> 3does that mean that they now don't agree with the peace process Bob? [20:26] <Judy-VHL> 12Who can ever really answer that, Shira? [20:26] <hands-VHL> 1380% Christian? I didn't know the number was so high there [20:27] <Judy-VHL> 12Even amongst ourselves. [20:27] <HostBob> Light, they are withdrawing early because.. the SLA has not held the positions that the IDF left, and Hezbollah is now down almost to the border in places [20:27] <light2-VHL> That smoke in Isa, 14: 31 means cloud of vapour, what do you think about what that means?? [20:27] <shira-VHL> 5good point, but the difference will be more and more apparent in the days to come [20:27] <Judy-VHL> 12Yeah, agree [20:27] <HostBob> not 80% in the whole country, but there are pockets of "Christian" communities, although many just nominal or cultural Christians - there are born again people, however [20:27] <light2-VHL> Well we could ask that about 3/4 of Americans also Shira!! [20:28] <hands-VHL> 13oooh [20:28] <shira-VHL> 5no kidding:-) [20:28] <light2-VHL> I bet with what is happening in there country , they will be more than glad to get Born again [20:29] <light2-VHL> Persecution brings revival [20:29] <shira-VHL> 5You've got a good point there [20:29] <keily-VHL> does anyone know Gary Hull who was the manager of a christian radio station in jerusalem and just recently moved up to Mt. Hermon? [20:29] <HostBob> No, Keily? [20:29] <Judy-VHL> 12No, never heard of him. [20:29] <keily-VHL> thanks [20:29] <hands-VHL> 13many will just put their head in the sand and try to just get by, that is so sad [20:30] Dotk-VHL [~Dotk-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:30] <hope-VHL> 3Hi Dotk! [20:30] <HonoringGod-VHL> How much of Isaiah prophecy is for current time and how much of it applies to the past prophecy, or can it apply to both [20:30] <HostBob> Welcome,Dotk [20:30] <Dotk-VHL> Hello everyone [20:30] <HostBob> Honoring, that's a good question :) anyone want to take a stab at it? [20:30] <shira-VHL> 5Did they have a small article in Charisma about him last year about his bringing contemporary christian music to Israel? [20:30] <hope-VHL> 3near/far type prophecy [20:30] <hands-VHL> 13hi, Dotk [20:31] <HonoringGod-VHL> I think when Bob knows the answear he somtimes devers it, LOL:-) [20:31] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Dotk [20:31] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL [20:32] <Dotk-VHL> Hi Judy and hands [20:32] <HostBob> When the prophets saw visions, often they saw both local, near-term events, and event far future. As we read, we see both, sometimes even in the same sentence. Or the same prophecy may even be speaking of 2 different times [20:32] <hope-VHL> 3GREAT ANSWER BOB ;) [20:32] <HonoringGod-VHL> The same question can be asked of the intire bible according to some Christians, [20:32] <HostBob> Well, Honor, I don't want to hog all the answers :) [20:32] <hands-VHL> 13I think to be prophecy it has to have both present(past) and future or it would be only history [20:32] <light2-VHL> That is why they were so persecuted too, people thought they were nuts [20:33] <HonoringGod-VHL> LOL Bob, Thanks [20:33] <light2-VHL> Poor Isaiah got sawn in half, because he told King Manessah he saw God [20:33] <rosesharon-VHL> 6according to the world most christians are nuts LOL if only they knew [20:33] <hope-VHL> 3He did, I didn't know that? [20:33] <light2-VHL> I found that on a Jewish torah site the other day [20:33] <HostBob> For example, Isaiah's prophecies were both about the Assyrian invasion of that time, and also of the end-time "Assyrian" (antichrist) [20:33] <HostBob> Yeah, light :) [20:34] sfcwoodret-VHL [~sfcwoodret-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:34] <light2-VHL> He tried to hide from King Manessah in a cedar log, but when he was found they sawed the log in half [20:34] <Judy-VHL> 12Well, I do know that Isaiah 17:1 is yet to come. [20:34] <HonoringGod-VHL> Assyrian, antichrist? can someone other than Bob tell me about what these two have in common? [20:34] <sfcwoodret-VHL> hello everyone [20:34] <hands-VHL> 13even if you hear from the Lord today you get the third degree from even other believers [20:34] <HostBob> But -even Manassah, who was the one who precipitated the ultimate downfall of Israel, was forgiven later when he humbled himself befoer the Lord [20:34] <HostBob> amazing [20:34] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi woodret [20:35] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hi sfc my wonderful husband [20:35] <HonoringGod-VHL> hands, yes...yes... that happend to me just last night [20:35] <Judy-VHL> 12True hands, very true. [20:35] <rosesharon-VHL> 6everyone meet my husband [20:35] <HostBob> Hello Sfc! Mr Rose :) [20:35] <sfcwoodret-VHL> Hello Rosesharon [20:35] <keily-VHL> hi sfc [20:35] <Judy-VHL> 12Rose? He is? [20:35] <HostBob> you two at opposite ends of the room? :) [20:35] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Yes Judy [20:35] <HostBob> We're very glad to have you here, SFC! [20:36] <hope-VHL> 3WELCOME SFC, [20:36] <Judy-VHL> 12Better watch what you say, huh??? LOL [20:36] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL yes he's in his and I'm in mine same house though [20:36] <hands-VHL> 13hello rosesharon husband:-) [20:36] mike-VHL [~mike-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:36] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 4Hello to all [20:36] <HostBob> Shalom, Mike! [20:36] <mike-VHL> hi [20:36] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL no problem there Honey meet my new friends [20:36] <hope-VHL> 3Hi Mike! [20:36] <HonoringGod-VHL> The closer I've resisted satin the more I get closer to the Holy Spirit, or Visa versa, When I talk about the holy spirit being in me and I speek about my convictions, some people more than once have said who are you [20:36] <shira-VHL> 5this is cute [20:36] kip-VHL [~kip-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:37] <keily-VHL> hi mike [20:37] <HostBob> Listen to this news item... shocking stuff... [20:37] <Judy-VHL> 12Hey, Mike......greetings! [20:37] <hope-VHL> 3WE love rosesharon!!! [20:37] <HostBob> 3. Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - If U.S.-brokered negotiations between Israel [20:37] <HostBob> and the Palestinian Authority fail to yield the territorial concessions [20:37] <HostBob> demanded by the PA, Palestinians will take to the streets and seize it once [20:37] <HostBob> statehood is declared. This is the view of the PA Minister of Jerusalem [20:37] <HostBob> Affairs, Faisal Husseini, quoted in the London-based Arabic language paper [20:37] <HostBob> Al-Hayat this week. [20:37] <hands-VHL> 13hi mike [20:37] <HostBob> Welcome, Kip! [20:37] <light2-VHL> Here is Torah site on Isaiah [20:37] <light2-VHL> http://www.torah.org/qanda/kb.php3?file=165 [20:37] <HostBob> Thanks, Light! :) [20:37] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Kip [20:37] <HostBob> I used to know a "Kip" years ago :) [20:37] <HonoringGod-VHL> when I say, for example this is not me, i.e. I'm not taking credit for the spirit, the spirit convicts my heart, [20:37] <light2-VHL> urwelcome [20:38] <Judy-VHL> 12Hey HOPE that is basically what you sent me. About Faisal Husseini [20:38] <kip-VHL> Hi [20:38] <shira-VHL> 5Perhaps I should postpone my trip to Eretz Israel [20:38] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Thanks light [20:38] <HostBob> no, don't postpone :) [20:38] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Bob can you capitalize on that [20:38] <hope-VHL> 3YEAH, Judy! that made me flip [20:38] <HostBob> you'll miss all the fun :) [20:38] <HonoringGod-VHL> and I say what I'm led to say, they say "is this what your saying, and I say no It's not me, they say who is it that is speaking,LOL [20:38] farrell-VHL [~farrell-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:39] <HonoringGod-VHL> maybe just miscommunication, but not always [20:39] <HostBob> Regarding Husseini's statements - we could have surmised that that was their intentions... [20:39] <hands-VHL> 13hi, farrell [20:39] <HostBob> but it's shocking that they would explicitly state it [20:39] <kip-VHL> I hope that this is not "off" topic, but I am scheduled to go to Isreal in October. Should I cancel my booking? [20:39] <HostBob> perhaps it will wake some people up [20:39] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom everyone. Sorry I'm late. [20:39] <Judy-VHL> 12Yeah, not surprising in the least, Bob. [20:39] <hope-VHL> 3BOB, how many people does this room hold???? [20:39] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Farrell. [20:39] <HostBob> No, Kip - I wouldnt - God will protect you - be strong and courageous :) [20:40] <hands-VHL> 13I hear you honor [20:40] <HostBob> I'm not sure, Hope, 50 or so :) [20:40] <light2-VHL> If they do take Jerusalem, will it begin the 7 years of the Trib??????? [20:40] <HonoringGod-VHL> good, thought I was on mute,LOL [20:40] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen I would love to go, one day Lord willing [20:40] <hands-VHL> 13no:-) [20:40] <HostBob> I don't think they will take Jerusalem, light [20:40] <shira-VHL> 5Kip who are you going with? are you going for the icej FEAST CELEBRATIONS for Sukkot? [20:41] <light2-VHL> Why not?? [20:41] <kip-VHL> Good - that was my thinking, but I didn't want to be purposefully foolish [20:41] <hands-VHL> 13it is hard to keep up sometimes [20:41] <hope-VHL> 3I think Israel will blow them away before they try to take it [20:41] <light2-VHL> Jerusalem will be trodden down of the gentiles [20:41] <Judy-VHL> 12Bob, want to ask something, but don't want to upset anyone. They do say that it is safe in Israel, atleast Stan says it is in the extreme, but can we count on God protecting us, just because we are his children?? [20:41] <Judy-VHL> 12Sincere question. [20:41] <HonoringGod-VHL> I'm seriously considering of my own mind, (maybe) it's me maybe it's the holy spirit saying to go??? I'm comming into some money soon, and I really want to go to Israel [20:41] <light2-VHL> Anyway I need to ask a very important question [20:41] <HostBob> Well, I believe that according to Isaiah 17, that when the Palestinians join the Syrians in this next war, they will be defeated also [20:42] <HostBob> Good question Judy - let's hear from the group [20:42] <mike-VHL> 10I was watching Zola Levitte the other day and his quest from Isreal said that the PLO has never kept a treaty and never intend to [20:42] <light2-VHL> The wailing wall is part of the temple right?? [20:42] <hands-VHL> 13is there anywhere God can not see us Judy? even the depth of the sea... [20:42] <hope-VHL> 3I believe God will protect anyone even in the center of the battle, if it's HIS will [20:42] <HostBob> True, Mike [20:42] Christian_Gabriel-VH [~Christian_Gabriel-VH@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:43] <shira-VHL> 5The Western Wall is part of the temple mount, yes [20:43] Levi-VHL [~Levi-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:43] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Walk in his strength I never walk in fear because God is not the author of it [20:43] <Judy-VHL> 12What I am thinking of here is the little girl that got burnt, the Sudanese Christians....etc. [20:43] <light2-VHL> Was that part of temple ever rebuilt or has it always been standing since 70 AD?? [20:43] <HostBob> Judy, we are not guaranteed physical protection, however.... when a servant of God is on a mission from Him, nothing can harm him until that mission is complete [20:43] <HostBob> Yes, that's true, Judy.... [20:43] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen Bob [20:43] <Levi-VHL> Hello one and all [20:43] <shira-VHL> 5it has been standing since then to my knowlege [20:43] <light2-VHL> My point being if it was left standing then Jesus's prophecy about the temple has not been fulfilled [20:43] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hello Levi [20:43] <HostBob> sometimes the "mission" is to suffer death for the sake of the name of the Lord [20:43] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Levi [20:44] <farrell-VHL> 2Judy, the Lord told us He would be with us until the end of the age. If He is with us, we are protected, right? Doesn't matter what happens to our bodies. He wants to use us to witness to His Grace and Glory. He will protect us. [20:44] <light2-VHL> Jesus predicted that not "ONE " stone would be left upon another [20:44] <kip-VHL> G-d promised to Solomon regarding the temple that I will always hear pray in this "place". So where the temple stands or not, it is G-d's chosen place [20:44] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Again what better way to die than for the name of the Lord [20:44] <shira-VHL> 5It is the retaining wall but was not part of the actual temple itself [20:44] <HostBob> Light, that is not technically part of the Temple but a retaining wall [20:44] <light2-VHL> That has not happened to my knowledge [20:44] <HostBob> Yes, Kip [20:44] <Judy-VHL> 12When put that way, Farrell, that is so true. [20:44] <light2-VHL> But is every stone thrown down?? [20:45] <light2-VHL> He can be quite litteral with his words you know [20:45] <HostBob> Of the temple itself, yes [20:45] <hands-VHL> 13Judy have you seen the abadon newborns right here? Child are worthless to the world, but you know what the lord says about them... [20:45] <HostBob> it was - when the Romans burned it, the gold melted - and they tore the stones apart to get to the melted gold [20:45] <Judy-VHL> 12Yeah, there is alot of sadness here, too, Hands. [20:45] <shira-VHL> 5Has anyone heard Dave Dolan's testimony about how the L-rd protected him in Israel during a bombing? [20:45] <light2-VHL> I just wondered because I thought if wailing wall is part, it has to go, to fulfill the Lords words [20:46] <Judy-VHL> 12Never heard of Dave Dolan, Shira. [20:46] <HostBob> tell us, Shira [20:46] <Levi-VHL> No I have not shira [20:46] <farrell-VHL> 2Yes, Shira. I read Dave Dolan's book re Israel. Good insight he has. [20:46] <hope-VHL> 3Hi Gabriel [20:46] <HonoringGod-VHL> hands, remember Daniel? [20:47] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 4So how much of the wall is actually left? [20:47] <Judy-VHL> 12Hello Gabriel....welcome [20:47] <rosesharon-VHL> 6The wailing wall is not apart of the temple? ........... I thought it was............boy was I wrong [20:47] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Hello, and Blessings.. [20:47] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hi Gab [20:47] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Thank You [20:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> in the hungry lions [20:47] <Levi-VHL> Hi Gabriel [20:47] <HostBob> Just one retaining wall, SFC, referred to as the Western Wall [20:47] <kip-VHL> Good question light2 re: wailing wall. In many things I must tell myself that I am not called to understand, but called to believe. [20:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> God protected, his brothers too [20:47] <hands-VHL> 13People seem to take better care of stray animals than children, did anyone read about the children in this month's Chrisma? [20:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> shadrack meshack and abinigo [20:47] <light2-VHL> The Lords words just came to me one day regarding it [20:48] <HostBob> but it was not a Temple wall but supports the Temple Mount [20:48] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Wow [20:48] <hope-VHL> 3hi farrell [20:48] <kip-VHL> Which are the Babylonian names of the three hewbrew children [20:48] <farrell-VHL> 2Hey hope [20:48] <light2-VHL> What happened Hands with the children? [20:48] <HostBob> Welcome everyone, once again. This is a very large group... so if we miss a question or comment, feel free to repeat it [20:49] <HostBob> things move fast here :) [20:49] <mike-VHL> 10the mountain under the temple was a peak and the walls were used to level off the top [20:49] <farrell-VHL> 2They sure do Bob. We'll keep up. [20:49] <shira-VHL> 5He is a christian and a radio correspondent for CBS news, he's written several books. He told us about when he was running toward a bomb shelter and the L-rd told him to be still and know that he was G-d. He asked the L-rd what it was about, The L-rd said "Sheket' Be still. If he had gone any further at that moment he would have been killed. [20:49] <HonoringGod-VHL> hep, they do Bob:-) [20:49] <hands-VHL> 13It made me so sick, I know the Lord won't put up with much more of this, brb [20:49] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 4this chat room is growing weekly [20:49] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Praise God [20:50] <light2-VHL> I know everyday I wonder at the mercy of Almighty God [20:50] <Judy-VHL> 12Amazing story, Shira [20:50] <HostBob> Yes, SFC - and we also have one on Wed night with Stan from Jerusalem [20:50] <HonoringGod-VHL> shira, why do you not spell out Gods full name ? [20:50] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Bob why do the people there pray at the wall [20:50] <HonoringGod-VHL> I've noticed soem people don't do that [20:50] <hope-VHL> 3we keep inviting people SFC.......I'm scared I'll get bumped and the room will be full!!! :) [20:50] <max-VHL> Yes, Shira, amazing. [20:50] tim-VHL [~tim-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:50] yiayia-VHL [~yiayia-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:50] <HostBob> Rose, because they are not allowed to go up on the Mount and pray - it's the only place with access [20:50] <Levi-VHL> Isn't that just so fantastic sfcwoodret [20:51] <HostBob> Welcome, Tim and YiaYia! [20:51] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 4Yes it is [20:51] <mike-VHL> 10Bob do you think the Ark will be found or revealed before the end [20:51] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I'm going to have to restudy some things that is for sure [20:51] <Levi-VHL> that is Thursday isn't it Bob [20:51] <HonoringGod-VHL> good question, mike [20:51] <HostBob> Let's hear from the group on Mike's question [20:51] <hands-VHL> 13Light2, it is the cover story on the June Charisma [20:51] <yiayia-VHL> Shalom Bob....been trying for an hour and a half to get in. Even rebooted the computer. [20:51] <kip-VHL> We spell G-d because the tetragrammaton is Holy. [20:51] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Tim [20:51] <HostBob> Oh my, Yia! Sorry! [20:51] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Yiayia [20:51] <mike-VHL> 10I mean Ark of Covenent [20:51] <light2-VHL> I dont get that, but have heard of it [20:52] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Wouldn;t that be neat [20:52] <yiayia-VHL> Hi All!! [20:52] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hi yiayia [20:52] <farrell-VHL> 2hi yiayia [20:52] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 4Hello [20:52] <HostBob> Mike, the only thing I know about the ark is this - during the tribulation period, John saw it it heaven... [20:52] <light2-VHL> That is one thing we all as Christians are going to need to discover very shortly, the Holiness of God [20:52] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Do they have any idea where it might be [20:52] <HostBob> so I assume that perhaps that is where it is now [20:52] <HonoringGod-VHL> kip, I'm not familiar with the tetragrammation, is that grammor? [20:52] <light2-VHL> And be ye holy ,for Iam holy [20:52] <tim-VHL> Hi! Christian bros.and sisters!!:->:-) [20:52] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Is Prophecy Chat a Permanent weekly Schedule Bob? [20:53] <Levi-VHL> How many people are allowed in the room before it is considered full,Bob? [20:53] <HostBob> Hi Tim! [20:53] <yiayia-VHL> Bob...have you followed Vendyl Jones digging? [20:53] <shira-VHL> 5Because Jews take the Name to be holy, therefore anything with or referring to His Name is holy(Kadosh), if you write it out that piece of paper or whatever becomes holy, it is to keep from profaning His Name [20:53] <farrell-VHL> 2hi tim:) [20:53] <hands-VHL> 13It talk about and shows picture of street chrilden all over the world, the "problem" has gotten huge [20:53] <HostBob> Yes, Christian, every Monday at 8 PM ET [20:53] <mike-VHL> 10Didn't Moses make thing that were replicas of things in heaven [20:53] <HostBob> yes, Mike [20:53] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Great thanks [20:53] <kip-VHL> Tretra means four, Grammaton means letters-writing. [20:53] <HonoringGod-VHL> Bob, I have a question that came to me last week [20:53] <light2-VHL> Bob is there a Fire Escape here :-> [20:53] <hope-VHL> 3COOL color Gabriel:) [20:53] <rosesharon-VHL> 6So Bob do you think the Lord took it up to heaven [20:53] <HostBob> Yia, I ahve been to his website [20:53] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7My favorite Hope :-) [20:53] <mike-VHL> 10So is the one in Heaven the same one built on earth [20:53] <kip-VHL> The tetragrammaton is Y -H and W-H [20:53] <max-VHL> Thank you, Shira. Didn't know that. [20:54] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Thanks [20:54] <yiayia-VHL> What do you think about where he is excavating? Do you think he will find the ashes of the red heifer? [20:54] <light2-VHL> The ark could still be hidden in secret chambers beneath the mount [20:54] <HonoringGod-VHL> Does anyone know if when we die or spirit goes to heaven if we are christian write, but then if the people of years ago who were christian and they died [20:54] <light2-VHL> There were caves and hidden chambers all over in 70 AD [20:54] <Judy-VHL> 12Yia, what do you mean "find" ashes of red heifer? [20:55] <mike-VHL> 10Is there any scriptures saying that is will be revealed in end times [20:55] <HostBob> I don't know, Mike - there doesn't seem to be much prominence given to the "copy" of the ark in end-time prophecies, certainly not as much as Indiana Jones did :) [20:55] <HostBob> Yia, I don't recall - what do you think? [20:55] <hope-VHL> 3why wouldn't you think that they would be in heaven too, Honoring? [20:55] <HonoringGod-VHL> they would have gone to heaven, right? when the rapture occures who is going to be raised from the dead, (the spirits asleep will be cought up first) [20:56] <shira-VHL> 5I think the ark is under the temple mount somewheree, I've read the accounts of soldieres, one whoused to be cheif rabbi in Israel, about how rthey saw the temple instruments in 1967, but the tunnel has been sealed. [20:56] <hope-VHL> 3the BODIES will be raised at that point, honoring [20:56] <HostBob> Honor, the physical bodies of those who died will be resurrected and made new [20:56] <light2-VHL> The Spirits bodies that lie in the earth Honor will go first [20:56] <Judy-VHL> 12Their bodies will reunite with their spirits. [20:56] <HostBob> Yes, Shira, lots of rumors about that [20:56] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen [20:56] <yiayia-VHL> Judy..it appears Jones is digging in an area that was described in one of the dead sea scrolls I believe. He has found incense pots, and is trying to locate a jar with the ashes of the red heifer. [20:56] <HonoringGod-VHL> OK, I new that [20:57] <kip-VHL> I do not think the Ark will be re discovered [20:57] <hope-VHL> 3Of course you did! ;) [20:57] <hands-VHL> 13Brazial, -6 teenagers shot in the back of the head by "security [20:57] <yiayia-VHL> Bob....I don't really know....he has some good ideas, and if the map is accurate, who knows??? Only the Lord does. [20:57] <HonoringGod-VHL> but What I'm saying is(thanks hope) [20:57] <HostBob> I don't think so either, Kip,, but that;s just my opinion [20:57] jim-VHL [~jim-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [20:57] <light2-VHL> Hands how awful [20:57] <HostBob> Welcome, Jim! [20:57] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Do you all think the Dead Sea Scrolls are apart of Gods Word [20:57] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hi Jim [20:57] <hope-VHL> 3go on Honoring... [20:57] <HonoringGod-VHL> are they the spirits of the dead already in heaven? [20:57] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh, but to build a new temple, they must sacrifice a red heifer and scatter ashes before building, right? SHIRA? [20:58] <light2-VHL> God said that Blood pollutes the earth and will make it throw us out of it [20:58] <HostBob> Rose, the Scrolls contained portions of the Scriptures, a large piece of Isaiah... [20:58] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I think they are Honor [20:58] <hope-VHL> 3I believe that they are the BODIES of those in heaven.... [20:58] <Judy-VHL> 12Hello Jim [20:58] <light2-VHL> Were getting there hands, if we have not already arrived [20:58] <tim-VHL> has ny one hear any news about pProctor an d Gamble [20:58] <HostBob> but the other writings are not Scripture - just provide interesting historical perspective [20:58] <hands-VHL> 13five children poised by shopkeeper who were "fed up with the little nuisances" [20:58] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Really I never read them because I was unsure [20:58] <HonoringGod-VHL> ok, so if the spirits are in heaven already, is it the bodies themselves will be raised or the spirits, the spirits are already up there [20:58] <shira-VHL> 5Yes Judy to sanctify the area, but they have bred a red heifer they are raising for that purpose. [20:59] <rosesharon-VHL> 6That is what I think Honor [20:59] <yiayia-VHL> Bob am I wrong in thinking that they are trying to get the ashes so they can be mixed with the "new" ashes of the red heifer for purification. [20:59] <Judy-VHL> 12I know, Hands, that is going on all over the world. [20:59] <light2-VHL> God Forgive the world is up to its neck in iniquity [20:59] <hope-VHL> 3I believe that the spirits are already up in heaven, and will be reunited with their glorified bodies at Christ's return [20:59] <Judy-VHL> 12Right. Shira, I think they have to sacrifice the Red Heifer at 3 years old???? [20:59] <light2-VHL> I can hardly wait for the Lord to come and help us [20:59] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen Hope [20:59] <farrell-VHL> 2I think I've heard that too, yiayia. [20:59] <shira-VHL> 5Have you ever heard of the temple mount and land of israel faithful movement led by Gershon Solomon? [20:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> yiayia, can you tell me about the red heffer, where is the info about that as it pertains to the end times? [21:00] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen Light I am ready [21:00] <hands-VHL> 13Mexico, Guatemala, children harvested for their organs [21:00] <HostBob> I have heard that, yes, Yia [21:00] <kip-VHL> Job writes "Yeah, In this FLESH I will see G-d, with my own eye and not another" So I believe bodies will be raised [21:00] <yiayia-VHL> Farrell, can you find the scripture that backs that up>>>?? [21:00] <Judy-VHL> 12To be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord. [21:00] <hope-VHL> 3Oh my goodness Hands!!!! that's HORRIBLE [21:00] <hands-VHL> 13yes it is [21:00] <HostBob> Yes, Shira - they are very active in trying to rebuild the Temple [21:00] <tim-VHL> 7Christ told the thieve he would be with Him on this day [21:01] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4:-)attenion getter [21:01] <rosesharon-VHL> 6What a sad world we live in [21:01] <light2-VHL> It is a wonder He can even look down here, for He is too holy to behold the evil [21:01] baddogmountain [~baddogmountain@proxy11.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:01] <HostBob> they periodically take a large cornerstone up there by truck but get turned away [21:01] <light2-VHL> I am so glad , that I am "NOT" God [21:01] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Bob, do you Consider Isaiah 26:17-21 to be speaking of The rapture (prophecied) If not can you Sum it up for me please? [21:01] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4yiayia, did you get that last question of mine? [21:01] <shira-VHL> 5Peter said that Yeshua will return after the restoration of all things, including temple judaism [21:01] farrell-VHL [~farrell-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:01] <hands-VHL> 13little girls AND boys used in ways we can't even think about, yet our Lord sees it all! [21:01] farrell-VHL [~farrell-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:02] <HostBob> Christian, I'm looking at it [21:02] <jim-VHL> hello from jim this is my first time in a chat room [21:02] <yiayia-VHL> Yes Honoring....Numbers Chapter 19 talks about the red heiffer...am trying to find the rest. Forgive me, I'm new and slow! :) [21:02] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Great Bob, thanks [21:02] <rosesharon-VHL> 6sounds like the enemy is coming out of the closet Hands [21:02] <HostBob> Hi Jim! [21:02] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4yiayia, I understand thank you [21:02] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7also In chapter 27 Bob, 1rst verse [21:02] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7The Leviathan [21:03] <hope-VHL> 3Hi JIM, welcome :) [21:03] <hands-VHL> 13I've only given you a tiny bit, I couldn't even think of anything else the whole day [21:03] <shira-VHL> 5hello Jim [21:03] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4is their soem other lititure about this bull in Texas anyone? [21:03] <HostBob> Verse 19 is definitely speaking of resurrection:But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. (Isaiah 26:19 NIV) [21:03] <Levi-VHL> Hi there Jim!! [21:03] <light2-VHL> I thought that that verse could mean being caught up , but he says in it to hide in thy chambers [21:03] Believer-VHL [~Believer-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:03] <HostBob> Let's look at Isaiah 26... [21:03] <light2-VHL> He does not say his chambers? [21:03] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Hmm [21:04] <HostBob> It's relevant to today [21:04] <yiayia-VHL> Ok....Numbers 19:9-10, a portion of these ashes were to be undisturbed as implied "as a keepsake for Israel". [21:04] <light2-VHL> Hands pray , pray , pray [21:04] <HostBob> You have enlarged the nation, O LORD; you have enlarged the nation. You have gained glory for yourself; you have extended all the borders of the land. (Isaiah 26:15 NIV) [21:04] <max-VHL> 6so with all that is happening in the world, why are we not hearing about it in church? [21:04] <tim-VHL> 7HI!! Jim ,this is really a crouded night . Where you from:-) [21:04] <HostBob> God is going to extend the borders of Israel [21:04] <hands-VHL> 13If the world would treat children like this now... think how bad it will be [21:04] <farrell-VHL> 2Sorry, got bumped. Right. Numbers 19 speaks of red heifer. But if they are to have a temple worship now, they must have red heifer. [21:04] <HostBob> LORD, they came to you in their distress; when you disciplined them, they could barely whisper a prayer. (Isaiah 26:16 NIV) [21:04] <Believer-VHL> hello all--especially JOYFUL--good to see you! [21:04] <HostBob> But in the process they (Israel) will be in great distress [21:04] <shira-VHL> 5V. 20-21 sound like trib to me [21:04] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7ahhh, another lesson in keeping it in context [21:04] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7lol [21:04] <light2-VHL> They also need a real Levite Priesthood, which I think they are missing [21:04] <kip-VHL> Because the "Church" usually teaches replacement theology and discount Isreal as irrelevant!!! [21:05] Gran-VHL [~Gran-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:05] <jim-VHL> oklahoma [21:05] <HostBob> We were with child, we writhed in pain, but we gave birth to wind. We have not brought salvation to the earth; we have not given birth to people of the world. (Isaiah 26:18 NIV) [21:05] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Believer and Baddog [21:05] <HostBob> What does verse 18 mean? Any speculations? [21:05] <yiayia-VHL> Honoring....Vendyl Jones has a website and on it there is an article called "The Red Cow--Ashes for Beauty". It is filled with information. :) [21:05] <Believer-VHL> pretty color judy! [21:05] <max-VHL> 6what is replacement theology [21:05] <Gran-VHL> 5;-):) Finally after over an hour I got in [21:05] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Thanks [21:05] <Judy-VHL> 12Thanks [21:05] <hands-VHL> 13I'm praying Yes, I want the Lord to light a fire under every Christian the hout IS late,...that includes me... here i am Lord send me [21:06] <max-VHL> 6Hi Gran! [21:06] <yiayia-VHL> Hi Gran....I had trouble too! Glad you're here. [21:06] <farrell-VHL> 2Light2, they have used DNA now to identify the Levitical line. [21:06] <HostBob> Oh Gran! So sorry it took so long! :( [21:06] <Judy-VHL> 12The Baptist church does not teach replacement theology......atleast, not any I have attended. [21:06] <Believer-VHL> sorry, too many of us--may come back later. bye [21:06] sunny-VHL [~sunny-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:06] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4yiayia- is it www.The Red Cow--ahses for Beauty.com? [21:06] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7who is he speaking Of when he says" Go My People eneter your rooms, and shut the doors behind you? [21:06] <Gran-VHL> 5me too the line was choked up or something [21:06] <Levi-VHL> Hi Gran ...It is a full house tonight [21:06] <tim-VHL> 7GoodLuck tonight Jim and God bless you. I'm out of here [21:06] <yiayia-VHL> no Honoring.... www.vendyljones.org [21:06] Believer-VHL [~Believer-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Believer-VHL has left the room) [21:06] <light2-VHL> Hands did you get the url on the kneeling Christian I posted earlier, it is an awesome site [21:07] <kip-VHL> That the Christian "church [21:07] <Judy-VHL> 12Hello, Gran. [21:07] <HostBob> Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed upon her; she will conceal her slain no longer. (Isaiah 26:20-21 NIV) - look at that... [21:07] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi Gran:) [21:07] <shira-VHL> 5They already have cohain, direct descendents of aaron training for temple duties [21:07] <HostBob> it speaks of the coming of the Lord [21:07] tim-VHL [~tim-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (tim-VHL has left the room) [21:07] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4ok, good thanks [21:07] <Gran-VHL> 5:) good we need more concerned people for my people Israel [21:07] <hands-VHL> 13no, light i didn't [21:07] <HostBob> and tells "His people" to go hide [21:07] <hope-VHL> 3verses 20 and 21 sounds like the time God will be protecting His people during the tribulation, and to hide until His wrath has passed [21:07] <light2-VHL> http://www.ccel.org/u/unknown/kneeling/kneel.txt [21:07] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7So its not really speaking of Rapture then? [21:07] <HostBob> Yes, Hope [21:08] <kip-VHL> That the christian "church" has replaced "israel" as G-d's chosen people, that references to Israel, now mean only and solely references to the Church, and the Isreal is an outcast before the L-rd [21:08] <light2-VHL> This will really help everyones prayer life , if you take it seriously [21:08] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Yes but just the 144, 000 Hope? [21:08] <HostBob> Well, Christian.. it is speaking of the time of resurrection of believers, which happens at the rapture.... [21:08] <HostBob> according to 1 thess 4.. [21:08] <max-VHL> 6wow, thank you kip. [21:08] <shira-VHL> 5In the jewish quarter of the old city there is a museum that contains articles, clothing, etc. made by the temple mount faithful to use in the third temple [21:08] <HostBob> the only question is, is it before or after the trib [21:08] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Those sealed With Protection during trib [21:08] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7? [21:08] <light2-VHL> According to Matthew Henry, the 144, 000 are just the church sanctified [21:09] <hope-VHL> 3THAT's who I was referring to Gabriel [21:09] <light2-VHL> Any thoughts on that one?? [21:09] <yiayia-VHL> shira...do you know if they have a website about the securing of the articles??? [21:09] <HostBob> Matthew Henry is wrong :) [21:09] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7agreed Bob [21:09] <Judy-VHL> 12Do you believe that Light2? [21:09] <light2-VHL> Are you sure, maybe we should study the greek [21:09] <HostBob> it's very specific that they are male Jews [21:10] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Thank you I was starting to get alittle worried [21:10] <HostBob> From specific tribes - physically [21:10] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL [21:10] <HostBob> that's pretty straightforward [21:10] <light2-VHL> Sometimes it is very interesting how the original language changes what we think [21:10] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Hey this is a Wonderful Room, thanks for the patients [21:10] <Judy-VHL> 12144,000 are Jews. I believe totally in that. [21:10] sunny-VHL [~sunny-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (sunny-VHL has left the room) [21:10] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Bob, do you have an automatic count of people in this chat? [21:10] <HostBob> nope, Honor [21:10] <shira-VHL> 5Excuse me light 2, it names tribes of israel, how is that the gentile church? [21:10] <kip-VHL> If you study Revelantion in the Greek, you must also understand that it is written in a literary form called "Kai" poetry [21:10] <light2-VHL> I don't know Judy , I am still praying and studying Revalations [21:10] farrell-VHL [~farrell-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:10] <hope-VHL> 3but I feel those are male JEWS, but I feel that their families are included too, kind of like when Christ fed the 5000, not including women and children [21:10] farrell-VHL [~farrell-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:10] <hands-VHL> 13male jews? then we go back to there are no male /female, we are all jews... [21:11] <light2-VHL> Because for one the whole part of the early Christian Church were Jews [21:11] <HostBob> Hands, it says they are male [21:11] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Ok Bob, every Monday at 8 correct? [21:11] <HostBob> I didn't write it :) [21:11] <Gran-VHL> 5:) I do not believe that God has ever changed HIS mind that Israel are HIS chosen people [21:11] <Judy-VHL> 12Amen, Gran [21:11] <light2-VHL> For 2 they are refered to as the first fruits [21:11] <hands-VHL> 13where? [21:11] <HostBob> They are specifically chosen for God's purposes [21:11] <kip-VHL> Right Gran [21:11] <light2-VHL> the first fruits go at the beginning of harvest [21:11] <light2-VHL> Not the end [21:11] <Gran-VHL> 5amen Bob [21:12] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Gab yeah that is right [21:12] <hands-VHL> 13where:-) [21:12] <Gran-VHL> 5Israel has gone through some very bad times and may go through more but THEY are GODs chosen [21:12] <light2-VHL> It is deeper int the original language [21:12] <Gran-VHL> 5Not the church [21:12] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Ok family, God bless and Keep us all as he has and forever will do... [21:12] <farrell-VHL> 2You're right about that Gran [21:12] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Take care [21:12] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7Thanks [21:12] <Christian_Gabriel-VH> 7:-) [21:12] <HostBob> See ya Christian :) [21:12] sunny-VHL [~sunny-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:12] <hope-VHL> 3goodnight Gabriel ;) [21:12] <rosesharon-VHL> 6God bless you Gabriel have a good night [21:12] <hands-VHL> 13goodnight Gabriel [21:12] rain-VHL [~rain-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:12] <HostBob> Welcome, Sunny! [21:12] sunny-VHL [~sunny-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:12] Christian_Gabriel-VH [~Christian_Gabriel-VH@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Christian_Gabriel-VH has left the room) [21:12] <kip-VHL> 15Right Gran, now you see the error of replacement theology [21:13] <HostBob> Hello, Rain! [21:13] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hi Sunny [21:13] <Judy-VHL> 12It (the Bible) says somewhere that Israel is the apple of His eye. [21:13] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hi Rain [21:13] <rain-VHL> Hi Bob [21:13] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Rain [21:13] <HostBob> Replacment theology is a devilish deception [21:13] <shira-VHL> 5Yes the temple mount faithful do have a web site and show photos of the temple articles they have made. I don't know the exact address, but if you just search for temple mount faithful youll find it [21:13] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen Judy [21:13] <Gran-VHL> 5:) well I don't know what it is called but it is wrong thinking [21:13] <rain-VHL> Hi Judy ... how are you? [21:13] <Gran-VHL> 5:) just like so much that has come out these last few years [21:13] <Judy-VHL> 12Doing ok, you? [21:13] <hands-VHL> 13where does it say they are all male, Bob? [21:13] <HostBob> http://templemountfaithful.org/ [21:13] <kip-VHL> 15If9the Church replaces Isreal, then we must understand when Paul says that we are grafted in, that the Church is grafted into the Church [21:13] <jim-VHL> amem bob [21:14] <kip-VHL> 9Silly, yes! [21:14] <Levi-VHL> Did any of you hear that George W. Bush said he would recognize Jerusalem for I think it was for the either the U. S. Embassy residence or was it simply to be recognized as Israel's capitol!! Whew.. [21:14] <hope-VHL> 3aren't the first fruit the FIRST to enter into the New Jerusalem Bob? when Christ is with them? [21:14] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4another question for ya, anyone.. (kip that is bright), LOL [21:14] <rain-VHL> had a hard time getting a connection, Judy [21:14] <kip-VHL> 92Beteter [21:14] <kip-VHL> 2Better [21:14] <hands-VHL> 13bob? [21:14] <hope-VHL> 3Hi Rain! [21:14] <HostBob> I don't know, hope :) [21:14] <max-VHL> 6need my shades for that color, kip [21:14] <Levi-VHL> Hi rain [21:14] <HostBob> Hands, I'll get back to you :) [21:14] <Gran-VHL> 5:) The church will never replace Israel we are grafted into the vine but fallen away Jews are also grafted back in [21:15] <Judy-VHL> 12Yeah, Kip, keep that color. I can read it now. LOL [21:15] <yiayia-VHL> Thanks Shira....everyone kept talking about the "institute" when we were in Israel, but no one took us there or gave any more info. [21:15] <Gran-VHL> 5GOd does not change HIS mind about HIS children [21:15] <rain-VHL> Hi hope & Levi [21:15] <hands-VHL> 13ok:-) [21:15] <kip-VHL> 2RIGHT [21:15] <Judy-VHL> 12RAIN, I couldn't get in at all, last night. [21:15] <HostBob> Whew! What a pace with this many people! :) [21:15] farrell-VHL857 [~farrell-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:15] <HostBob> Need a seatbelt! [21:15] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4ok I remembered my question, is heaven going to have woman and men, I think so but my wife seems to make the point that evertime the bible talks about an angle it is a MAN [21:15] <hope-VHL> 3Man, I have to leave for a few seconds, and I'm scared to go, so much happens, I'm going to miss something!!!!;) [21:15] <shira-VHL> 5and he is coming for one bride not 2, [21:15] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL [21:16] <Levi-VHL> Was it full last night too Judy [21:16] <rain-VHL> You can handle it Bob - your'e a natural at this ... God Bless [21:16] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Fingers getting sore yet BOB [21:16] <kip-VHL> 2Angels are NOT people [21:16] <HostBob> Angels are neither male nor female [21:16] <HostBob> LOL [21:16] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4LOL:-) [21:16] <hope-VHL> 3I'm not turning into a MAN that's for sure HONOR [21:16] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4LOL hope [21:16] <HostBob> Hey, no male-bashing now :) [21:16] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL I don't care what I am as long as I'm with the Lord Amen [21:16] <hands-VHL> 13true kip [21:16] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4ROFL, that was funny hope [21:16] <rain-VHL> don't go Hope just do your thing and come back and you can use the arrow to go up and see what you missed [21:16] <kip-VHL> 2Amen Rose S [21:16] <Judy-VHL> 12I don't think so, I think the room might have been experiencing difficulties, Levi [21:16] <shira-VHL> 5how did we get on this male female thing? [21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Angels do not become people and people do not become Angels [21:16] <hope-VHL> 3I love men, but I sure don't want to be ONE LOL [21:16] sunny-VHL [~sunny-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:17] joyful-VHL [~joyful-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (joyful-VHL has left the room) [21:17] <HostBob> Sunny's back :) [21:17] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4LOL, [21:17] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL [21:17] <Levi-VHL> right on kip [21:17] <Judy-VHL> 12LOL at Hope [21:17] <hope-VHL> 3I don't think my husband would want that either LOL [21:17] <hands-VHL> 13that's right Gran [21:17] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL [21:17] farrell-VHL857 [~farrell-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:17] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4brb [21:17] <Judy-VHL> 12Of course there are both sexes in heaven. I am sure of it. [21:17] <max-VHL> 6lol Hope [21:17] <rosesharon-VHL> 6That would be ungodly [21:18] <light2-VHL> No Male or Female in Christ Judy [21:18] <HostBob> Jesus said we would be "like the angels" - sexless (no marriage anyway) [21:18] farrell-VHL [~farrell-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:18] <hands-VHL> 13we don't need sexes in heaven, Judy [21:18] <Gran-VHL> 5:) we are all one in Christ as in how we are used by God but iin Heaven we will recognize each other . Nowhere does the Bible say that we will change sex good grief we will all be changed but only from the physical to the spiritual [21:18] <shira-VHL> 5are any of you familiar with mike bickle and the friends of the bridegroom? [21:18] <Judy-VHL> 12Right, no need for intimacy of the physical kind. [21:18] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Sorry Honey we will just be brother and sister LOL [21:18] <kip-VHL> 2Of course there will be both in Heaven, but since one must sit on one side, and the other on the other, does it matter? LOL [21:19] <HostBob> To recap some of the news: BEIT YAHOUN, Lebanon (AP) — South Lebanon was in near chaos Monday after units of an Israeli-allied militia abandoned their positions and Shiite Muslim guerrillas and their supporters rushed in to reclaim villages held by Israeli forces for two decades [21:19] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Nope not me [21:19] <Gran-VHL> 5:) and as spiritual people we will not use sex but just will be ourselves [21:19] farrell-VHL857 [~farrell-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:19] <HostBob> Frightened Israeli-allied militiamen surrendered en masse or sought asylum in Israel as hopes dimmed for an orderly, peaceful pullout overseen by the United Nations. [21:19] <Levi-VHL> no shira I'm not [21:19] <Gran-VHL> 5:) shira have not heard of that of him yes [21:20] <HostBob> In Israel, some painted Monday's events as an ominous takeover of the area by Hezbollah guerrillas. Israel set up the zone in 1985 to protect its border region from guerrilla attacks. [21:20] EagleofGod-VHL [~EagleofGod-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:20] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4ok, boy that kid crwles fast [21:20] <HostBob> In northern Israel, the army beefed up border defenses and tens of thousands of civilians, fearing reprisal attacks, hastily gathered up children, food and schoolbooks as the army ordered them into underground bomb shelters. [21:20] <HostBob> That was from AP news [21:20] <hands-VHL> 13we will be just children at the table! remember before you new there was a differnce [21:20] <shira-VHL> 5Kip i didn't know we were going to be in an ortodox synagogue in heaven? [21:20] <yiayia-VHL> So Bob, now the plan is for them to leave June 1 not July 1? [21:20] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4what happens to the little babies like my son, for example do they stay babies in heaven? or do they get an adult body? [21:21] <EagleofGod-VHL> Shalom [21:21] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes Bob I read that on VHL news [21:21] <hands-VHL> 13Praise God forever! [21:21] rudy-VHL [~rudy-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:21] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4for example if they are killed in an accident [21:21] <HostBob> I think Kip was making a joke :) [21:21] <yiayia-VHL> Shalom Eagle [21:21] <Levi-VHL> Hi ea [21:21] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4they have a ticket right up to heaven I would guess [21:21] kip-VHL [~kip-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:21] <HostBob> Yes, Yia, or even before [21:21] <Levi-VHL> Hi Eagle [21:21] <rain-VHL> 10Oh Bob, it must be so tense over there [21:21] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4anyone know the answear to that one? [21:21] <shira-VHL> 5I know, it was cute;-) [21:21] <HostBob> Yes, Rain [21:22] <Judy-VHL> 12I don't know, Honoring, I've wondered that myself. [21:22] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I know my baby is in heaven but I don't know if he is grown [21:22] <HostBob> And Israel will not tolerate a return to the situation of the 1970s [21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Honor I don't believe that we are to know that until we too get there [21:22] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4ok, makes sense [21:22] <Judy-VHL> 12Doesn't seem right for them to stay small. Look at the aborted babies. [21:22] <EagleofGod-VHL> Honoring, G-d does not uncreate what He has started [21:22] <yiayia-VHL> But it is still expected to be filled with violence after the pullout. Tell me about the 1970s Bob [21:22] <hands-VHL> 13I agree that children go as do the innocent(handicap) but not everyone believe that [21:23] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I'm thinking of the children that are like from infant on up[ [21:23] <rain-VHL> 10Bob, it seems like Israel is just going to get chopped up and pushed back up to the sea [21:23] <Gran-VHL> 5:) YEs so it seems but GOD will redeme HIS people Israel [21:23] <HostBob> In the 1970s, the PLO were the terrorists occupying south lebanon, frequently launching terrorist attacks into northern Israel [21:23] <shira-VHL> 5Mike Bickle is interested in restoring the tabernacle of David in interdcessory worship24 hours a day all over the world. right now they have an IHOP in Kansas City and it's incredible. [21:23] <Levi-VHL> The 70's being what Bob? [21:24] <HostBob> it is what prompted Israel to move in there in the first place [21:24] <keily-VHL> Honor, we will all be learning in heaven, babies and children too [21:24] <rain-VHL> 10and here is Clinton so worried about making China a most favored nation and he is not talking at all about Israel's problems [21:24] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Well I have a dumb question ............ What happened to all the Land God gave to Abraham ...............Did they lose it all [21:24] <light2-VHL> For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. [21:24] <yiayia-VHL> So how will they prevent it from returning to the 1070 status?? [21:24] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Israel does not liine his pocket rain [21:24] <shira-VHL> 5Rain, regardless of how it seems G-d's Word will not fail concerning The Land of Israel [21:24] <light2-VHL> Matt 22:30 [21:24] <Gran-VHL> 5:) amen shira [21:25] <hands-VHL> 13My family is home, time for me to say goodnight to all [21:25] <HostBob> Yia, probably only war with Syria - Hezbollah is not going to restrain itself, and neither Syria nor Iran will hold them back [21:25] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Shalom, Hands [21:25] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Good night and God Bless Hands [21:25] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye hands. Take care. [21:25] <Gran-VHL> 5God Bless hands [21:25] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4by roseesharon [21:25] <HostBob> Rose, they only possess a portion of that land now [21:25] <max-VHL> 6night hands, God bless [21:25] farrell-VHL857 [~farrell-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:25] <yiayia-VHL> What a mess Bob....war just continues. [21:25] <light2-VHL> Hands God Bless [21:25] <rain-VHL> 10God Bless hands ... take care [21:25] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Shalom Rose [21:25] <Gran-VHL> 5:) by Rose God Bless [21:25] <Levi-VHL> Bye hands [21:25] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4night hands, enjoyed your company [21:25] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye Rose [21:25] <hands-VHL> 13Bob, you can e-mail me on that answer at holyhands@zionmail.com [21:25] <light2-VHL> God Bless Rose [21:26] <HostBob> I can, huh! :) OK [21:26] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I'm not going anywhere guys ???? :-( [21:26] <jim-VHL> i saw someone mention vendel jones. do you think his info is correct about the ark of the covenent? [21:26] <hands-VHL> 13:-) you know the all male jew thing [21:26] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4jim, good question [21:26] <Judy-VHL> 12I thought you were referring to YOU leaving, Rose. Sorry. [21:26] <HostBob> I know :) [21:26] <Levi-VHL> Good night Rose!! [21:26] keily-VHL [~keily-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (keily-VHL has left the room) [21:26] <Gran-VHL> 5:) oopps Rose going along with the crowd glad you are staying [21:26] <hands-VHL> 13God bless [21:26] <HostBob> Poor Rose - they are trying to toss her out :) [21:27] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Glad you are staying Rose! [21:27] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Gran,LOL [21:27] <hands-VHL> 13:-) [21:27] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Thank you [21:27] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Ok....who is Vendel Jones....? [21:27] <shira-VHL> 5What about this vendel and the ark? [21:27] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4we have a tendency to do that [21:27] <rain-VHL> 10hang on Rose we won't let you go yet [21:27] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2GMTA shira [21:27] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL [21:27] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4....go along with the crowd [21:27] hands-VHL [~hands-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (hands-VHL has left the room) [21:27] <hope-VHL> 3Ok I'm back.........and Bob, I know there is no marriage in heaven, we are all the same in that sense, but do you really believe that we will ALL look like one sex? I mean God did create Adam and Eve to live forever.....I would think we would still look different.....sorry, I had to throw this back in [21:27] <rosesharon-VHL> 6so who is the person vedal [21:27] <Gran-VHL> 5:) vendal jones ????? [21:27] <HostBob> I will give you his website.... [21:27] <HostBob> http://www.vendyljones.org.il/ [21:28] <mike-VHL> 10Bob I have a question it is a little of the subject When Mary Magdlaine saw Jesus after he rose from dead he told her not to touch him because he had not acended to his father what does that mean [21:28] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Is he the dude that says the Ark is below where Y'shua was crucified? [21:28] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4hope, I like the questioon...Bob? [21:28] <HostBob> It's "exciting new discoveries [21:28] <HostBob> in the area of Biblical Archaeology." [21:28] <HostBob> I don't know, hope :) [21:28] <jim-VHL> sorry about the miss spelling [21:28] farrell-VHL857 [~farrell-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:28] <hope-VHL> 3good enough ;) [21:28] <light2-VHL> Hope I had a vision [21:28] <HostBob> Anyone care to speculate on Mike's question? [21:29] <light2-VHL> God let me see what I would look like [21:29] <light2-VHL> In Heaven [21:29] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Jesus told her why [21:29] <shira-VHL> 5Is he the nurse from nashville who supposedly found the ark and took blood samples from the mercy seat [21:29] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I think he went up and down and up again [21:29] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Rudy and Sunny [21:29] <hope-VHL> 3Jesus was still in "paradise" or hell for the 3 days, [21:29] <Gran-VHL> 5:) He had not acended to HIS father yet. He had to take HIS blood to the throne first [21:29] <light2-VHL> And we are just like angels, beautiful, in a very holy sense and totally dedicated to God [21:29] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hi Rudy [21:30] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2ok, I got lost somewhere [21:30] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hi Sunny [21:30] <light2-VHL> But I look like myself [21:30] <hope-VHL> 3Jesus did NOT go straight up to God when He died [21:30] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Bob am I right [21:30] Noo-VHL [~Noo-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:30] <mike-VHL> 10Jesus later told Thomas to touch Him [21:30] <Gran-VHL> 5:) mike that was much later [21:31] <Judy-VHL> 12Hello Noo......welcome. [21:31] <HostBob> good questions, and interesting answers :) I know no more than you :) [21:31] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hello Noo [21:31] <yiayia-VHL> Yes Gran, but He still hadn't ascended???? [21:31] <shira-VHL> 5but not before he ascended [21:31] <Gran-VHL> 5:) after He accended the first time [21:31] <Gran-VHL> 5Just going by what HE told Mary [21:31] <mike-VHL> 10I read that the word touch could also mean cling [21:31] <Gran-VHL> 5:) no other insight just try to go by what the word tells us [21:32] <hope-VHL> 3before Christ died for mankind, people DID NOT go straight to heaven, they were in a waiting place......that is where Jesus descended to [21:32] <HostBob> Yes, Hope [21:32] <Judy-VHL> 12Hades [21:32] <HostBob> to "Sheol" or "Hades" [21:32] Noo-VHL [~Noo-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:32] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Well, He came, He saw, He conquered, and we are co-heirs....and that is an honor to me! [21:32] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes hope thats right [21:32] <Judy-VHL> 12Good side, Bad side [21:32] <hope-VHL> 3right [21:32] <HostBob> but Jesus did not go to Hell as some teach [21:32] <Gran-VHL> 5:) but Jesus death changed all that [21:32] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4speaking of hades, It's about 95 hear in No. Ca, up stairs in my office area [21:32] <hope-VHL> 3so when Christ said that he would see the thief in PARADISE, that's exactly where HE saw him [21:32] <Judy-VHL> 12Did He go to Hades, though? [21:32] <shira-VHL> 5scripture does talk about the dead being asleep, do you think believers go straight there now, or just sleep? [21:33] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4even with two fans [21:33] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Yeshua also didn't get held in hell and tortured either, as some teach [21:33] <HostBob> Yes, apparently He did go to Hades to "preach" to those who had died with faith in the Lord prior to that [21:33] <light2-VHL> To Be absent from the Body is to be Present with the Lord [21:33] <yiayia-VHL> Honoring.....my deepest sympathy.....have some "cool" TX air! :) [21:33] <Gran-VHL> 5:) good grief Eagle who teaches that [21:33] <Judy-VHL> 12Right. [21:33] <HostBob> That's right, Eagle [21:33] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I have a praise report!.............. We got rain today [21:33] <phoeb-VHL> i have heard that the dynamic of the israel withdrawal from lebanon--whenere it occurs-- is already affecting israeli-palestinian relations [21:33] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Some well known evangelists, Gran [21:33] <Gran-VHL> 5:) so did us in GA [21:33] <HostBob> Gran, Copeland and Hagin teach that [21:33] <light2-VHL> I thought he went to hell to announce that he had the victory to Satan [21:34] DonB-VHL [~DonB-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:34] <HostBob> it's heresy [21:34] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2It is raining here, too Rosesharon! [21:34] <Gran-VHL> 5:) they treach that he was held in hades [21:34] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Bob, so did Joyce Meyer [21:34] <jim-VHL> i read an article that vendyl jones wrote about two years ago saying he was sure he knew where the ark was and would soon recover it. has any one heard anymore about this guy? [21:34] <phoeb-VHL> many in the arab world see israel's withdrawal as a defeat to be celebrated [21:34] <light2-VHL> Didn't he annouce to principalities and powers? [21:34] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Keneth copeland, [21:34] <shira-VHL> 5You've got to be kidding? Hell had no power over Him [21:34] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2AMEN! [21:34] <HostBob> Jim, I don't know how legit Vendyl Jones is, one way or the other [21:34] <Gran-VHL> 5:) I know that HE went there to preach to the dead and HE came out victoruis and had the keys of hell and hades with him when HE came out [21:35] <hope-VHL> 3remember the GULF separating the people.......... [21:35] <HostBob> Amen, Gran :) [21:35] <light2-VHL> It says he made a show of them [21:35] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4jim, I've never heard of him [21:35] <Judy-VHL> 12Welcome DonB!! [21:35] <yiayia-VHL> Jim....I have been following Vendyl Jones, and understand he is now in Israel, trying to do another dig. [21:35] <Gran-VHL> 5oops that is hell and death sorry [21:35] <hope-VHL> 3HEYYYYY DON!!! [21:35] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Yup. So, that means He will be victorious in the Mid-East as well, right? [21:35] <HostBob> This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men." (Ephesians 4:8 NIV) (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions ? (Ephesians 4:9 NIV) [21:35] <shira-VHL> 5I thonk I'm going to have a talk with my buddy Joyce Meyer [21:35] DonB-VHL [~DonB-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (DonB-VHL has left the room) [21:35] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4All I've heard is the ark was located by satalight, and is atop of some mountain top [21:35] <HostBob> Thanks, Yia :) [21:35] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes amen BOB [21:36] <HostBob> He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) (Ephesians 4:10 NIV) [21:36] <hope-VHL> 3AMEN BOB [21:36] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2:-) [21:36] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4interesting, pork belly congress wants to spend millions of dollars on waistfull stuff, but they won't check the ark out [21:36] <Gran-VHL> 5:) YES amen to that also we can all read the scriptures [21:36] <Judy-VHL> 12Hope, you won't believe this, but DonB is gone again.....LOL [21:37] <mike-VHL> 10But Christ also decended from heaven to earth when he was born [21:37] <hope-VHL> 3OH NO, AOL!!! [21:37] <Judy-VHL> 12That's what I think [21:37] <hope-VHL> 3that's right Mike [21:37] <Gran-VHL> 5:) which Ark is he talking about folks [21:37] skip-VHL [~skip-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:37] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Nohas ark, sorry [21:37] <Judy-VHL> 12Sounds like Noah's now [21:37] <mike-VHL> 10Ark of Covenent [21:37] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes Mike of course [21:38] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4oh, ark covenent, [21:38] <HostBob> Welcome, Skip! [21:38] <Judy-VHL> 12Hey Skip! [21:38] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Oh, well that is not secret but I doubt he will get anythjing off of it [21:38] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4hey skip [21:38] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Ok....lost again....what we talking about? And how do you people keep track? LOL :-) [21:38] <skip-VHL> 4HELLO EVERYONE [21:38] <Gran-VHL> 5:) too much ice up there [21:38] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Hi Skip! [21:38] <light2-VHL> And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. [21:38] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Hi skip [21:38] <HostBob> Just hang on for the ride, Eagle :) [21:38] <mike-VHL> 10Nobody answers the question why mary magdlene could not touch Jesus and Thomsa could [21:39] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Eagle pick a topic, and or go with the flow [21:39] <light2-VHL> Col 2:15 [21:39] <phoeb-VHL> just pick a topic [21:39] <HostBob> Hope answered it, Mike [21:39] <HostBob> didn't she? [21:39] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4say something off the wall and get everyones attention,LOL [21:39] <yiayia-VHL> Eagle, I'm trailing right behind 'ya! :) [21:39] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Mike, Jesus presented Himself a living sacrifice to Father God in between [21:39] <Judy-VHL> 12Hey EAGLEOFGOD-----I am not keeping up.;-) [21:39] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4:-) [21:39] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Bob does the prophcey say anything about the Ark of the Covenant [21:39] Rich-VHL [~Rich-VHL@proxy13.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:39] <hope-VHL> 3BECAUSE Mary had seen HIM first.......THOMAS saw HIM later, AFTER Jesus had already gone to see HIS FATHER [21:39] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Mike i answered you [21:39] <rain-VHL> 10Right Hope [21:39] <Gran-VHL> 5way back a while ago [21:39] <phoeb-VHL> i want to discuss the events of israel. is anyone interested besides me?? [21:40] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Did I miss the discussion on the unrest in Israel? :-( [21:40] <shira-VHL> 5I've got to get my kids to bed, last day fo school tomorrow. This has been fun. shalom [21:40] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2GMTA Phoeb! [21:40] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Shalom Shira! [21:40] <HostBob> This is only only reference that I know...Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm. [21:40] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4shira, come back again [21:40] <Rich-VHL> hey people whats up [21:40] <HostBob> Rev 11:19 [21:40] <mike-VHL> 10If Jesus went to Heaven and came back isn't that a second coming [21:40] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Have a good night Shira God Bless [21:40] <phoeb-VHL> what is gmta [21:40] <HostBob> Yes, Phoeb :) [21:40] <hope-VHL> 3Of course, if anyone saw that movie Jesus on CBS, it showed Mary hugging Jesus, which was wrong [21:40] <max-VHL> 6night shira [21:40] <Judy-VHL> 12Hello Rich [21:40] <HostBob> Hi Rich! [21:40] <Levi-VHL> I haven't been doing anything but reading since I got on....Ha. [21:40] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hello Rich [21:40] <Gran-VHL> 5:) hope oh ugh that was a terrible movie [21:40] <rain-VHL> 10no Mike [21:40] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4mike, that is what some christians believe, right BOB? [21:41] <phoeb-VHL> in houston's chronicle today it barely made the front page [21:41] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh Mike, please don't confuse me!!! LOL [21:41] <yiayia-VHL> Levi....:) [21:41] <Rich-VHL> hi judy [21:41] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Well it sounds like to me that the ark is in heaven and not down here at all [21:41] <phoeb-VHL> lol [21:41] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Agreed Gran [21:41] <phoeb-VHL> this is wild [21:41] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4LEvi, I know how you feel [21:41] <HostBob> Mike, Paul said that those who believe the 2nd coming already happened are false teachers [21:41] <phoeb-VHL> i feel like i am on a roller coaster [21:41] <hope-VHL> 3the SECOND COMING THAT CHRIST TALKS ABOUT IS WHEN HE IS GOING TO DELIVER HIS WRATH [21:41] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2And meanwhile, on earth.... [21:41] <Levi-VHL> 5HI yiayia [21:41] <Judy-VHL> 12Amen Bob [21:41] <shira-VHL> 5I will you can email me at LMN777@netzero.net to talk about our beloved Israel, or anything. Shalom [21:41] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Hi yiayia [21:41] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2there are things going on in Israel.... [21:42] <yiayia-VHL> Hi Levi.....whatcha' up to tonite. [21:42] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Bob, where at in paul? [21:42] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Shalom shira [21:42] <mike-VHL> 10I agree that Jesus did not go to heaven until 40 days after reserection [21:42] shira-VHL [~shira-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (shira-VHL has left the room) [21:42] <Rich-VHL> what things eagle [21:42] <rain-VHL> 10Mike - when Jesus walked amongst his followers after the Resurrection , that was to show to a doubting "world" that he lived after death [21:42] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2BOB? What all is going on in Israel? People firebombed in cars, etc.? [21:42] baddogmountain [~baddogmountain@proxy11.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:43] <Levi-VHL> 5Just trying to follow along,yiayia [21:43] <HostBob> Tim, Email me and I will find it for you [21:43] <phoeb-VHL> our beloved israel the land of our father. how can we not be interested? [21:43] <hope-VHL> 3SO MIKE, you DON't BELIEVE that JESUS went up to see HIS FATHER, JUST like he said? AND THEN RETURNED TO SPEAK WITH HIS Disciples? [21:43] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Mike in order to take HIS blood to the throne of HIS Father he had to go right then but it was a fast trip all in one as it were [21:43] <Rich-VHL> yes eagle but this is for a purpose [21:43] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2What purpose, Rich? [21:43] Eric-VHL [~Eric-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:43] <HostBob> Yes, Eagle - the "days of wrath" for the Palestinians produced much violence [21:43] <HostBob> the worst in years [21:43] <mike-VHL> 10where is that Bible passage [21:44] <yiayia-VHL> Levi, I'm so totally lost.....think I will leave now and get to bed. Shalom everyone!! Good nite. [21:44] <hope-VHL> 3who me? [21:44] farrell-VHL857 [~farrell-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:44] <Judy-VHL> 12It's probably in Matthew [21:44] <skip-VHL> 4NITe YA [21:44] <mike-VHL> 10yes hope [21:44] <Rich-VHL> to make the so out raged that it will do something about it [21:44] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Goodnite yia yia! [21:44] <hope-VHL> 3hold on [21:44] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Good night Yiayia God Bless [21:44] <HostBob> Yia, I'm lost too :) [21:44] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4ok, I'll e-mail you Bob [21:44] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Rich, I am lost [21:44] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye yiayia [21:44] <Levi-VHL> 5Good night YiaYia God Bless [21:44] <max-VHL> 6it's bad when the leader is lost LOL [21:45] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4even the host is lost,LOL [21:45] <light2-VHL> Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; [21:45] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL [21:45] <yiayia-VHL> God's Blessings to all, and especially on our Israel. [21:45] <HostBob> Yeah max, aint it! :) [21:45] <rosesharon-VHL> 6to many topics [21:45] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Yes, Rosesharon [21:45] <light2-VHL> And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, [21:45] <HostBob> Amen, Yia [21:45] <rosesharon-VHL> 6someone pick one please [21:45] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 42Bob,Isn't the u.s. an allie of Isreal? [21:45] <Judy-VHL> 12I truly can't keep up either. I guess this confusion comes with age!!! [21:45] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2HUGS yia yia [21:45] <Levi-VHL> 5That was a good one max [21:45] yiayia-VHL [~yiayia-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (yiayia-VHL has left the room) [21:45] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4God is richly blessing this chat, so muuch that we can't hold it all or contaion it right BOB [21:45] <Rich-VHL> eagle the pa thinks that the united nations will step in and take over if they provoke them enough [21:45] <HostBob> SFC, yes, US is an ally, but perhaps not a loyal one [21:45] <light2-VHL> In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: [21:45] <skip-VHL> 4JUDY yuor not aged [21:46] <light2-VHL> II Th 1:6-8 [21:46] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 2But the US is one of its few Allies? [21:46] <Judy-VHL> 12I think that the US, used to be strong ally. Now we are turning and breaking away. [21:46] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Bob, if US does not stay a friend of Israel, will that not bring a "curse" upon us? [21:46] <HostBob> True, SFC, one of the few, but at the end there will be zero [21:46] <Judy-VHL> 12Thanks Skip [21:46] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I would think so [21:46] <HostBob> Yes, Eagle, it will [21:47] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2That's it. I wanna make Aliyah [21:47] <HostBob> The US will not even recognize Jerusalem as the capital [21:47] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Move to Israel [21:47] <Judy-VHL> 12What is Aliyah? [21:47] <HostBob> what kind of ally is that? [21:47] <skip-VHL> 4we all do [21:47] <Rich-VHL> what is alyah [21:47] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 2The US is starting to weaken its relationship to Isreal! [21:47] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2LOL Bob [21:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4contain it [21:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I mean [21:47] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Me to Honey lets move [21:47] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Aliyah is becoming an Israeli citizen [21:48] <Rich-VHL> oh [21:48] <phoeb-VHL> the interview with palestinian youths said that they [21:48] <Judy-VHL> 12Hey Rosesharon, we can all see you. Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah [21:48] <phoeb-VHL> eagle what happened [21:48] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I wonder what Isreal would say if we all moved there [21:48] <HostBob> SFC and Rose are having a family conference on moving to Israel :) [21:48] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4me too Bob [21:48] <rosesharon-VHL> 6good way to talk huh [21:48] <HostBob> LOL Judy [21:48] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2If God's blessing is removed from US....I wanna go home to Israel! [21:49] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4what would the U.S. do? makes you think [21:49] <Rich-VHL> to be an Israeli citizen don't you have to Jewish [21:49] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 2We just have to pack our bags I guess [21:49] <phoeb-VHL> take me take me !!! [21:49] <Levi-VHL> 5Bob didn't George Bush justy today say that he would recognize Jerusalem [21:49] <HostBob> Yes, Rich [21:49] <HostBob> you do [21:49] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Hey family I need to call it a night lets all jut keep on keeping on for Jesus and loving Israel [21:49] <HostBob> Did he Levi? [21:49] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Right of Return laws [21:49] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Shalom Gran! [21:49] <Gran-VHL> 5God Bless all here this nght see you all on thursday chat [21:49] <HostBob> He'll say something different when he gets in office, I bet [21:49] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4ok, Gran God bless [21:49] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Good night Gran and God Bless [21:49] <skip-VHL> 4NITE GRAN G-D BLESS [21:49] <HostBob> Bye gran :) [21:49] <Judy-VHL> 12Goodnight Gran [21:49] <HostBob> Shalom [21:49] <max-VHL> 6Night, Gran, take care and God bless! [21:49] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2I strongly think we need to keep praying for the United States [21:50] <phoeb-VHL> i think what the old test spoke of for the lost to have a judge, we get totally lost without a leader [21:50] <Gran-VHL> 5good night children i love you all [21:50] Gran-VHL [~Gran-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Gran-VHL has left the room) [21:50] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Cause until Israel is restored completely, Y'shua isn't coming back [21:50] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I think so too prayer is the only thing that is going to help our country [21:50] <Levi-VHL> 5I definitely heard something today on the radio to that effect. That's why it caught my attention. [21:50] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4If Bush becomes pres, how do you think he will handle it when the arab attack Israel? [21:50] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 2Pres Clinton keeps us at a distance from Isreal [21:50] <mike-VHL> 10All the Arabs have to do is raise oil prices and we will abandon Isreal [21:50] <phoeb-VHL> lol [21:50] <Rich-VHL> I think your right Bob G.bush is only pandoring to us Christians [21:51] <rain-VHL> 10Clinton is up for the One World Order [21:51] <skip-VHL> 4amen mike [21:51] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Honoring, George Sr didn't hesitate to launch patriot missles to defend Israel in Desert StormS [21:51] <HostBob> Bush Sr. was no friend of Israel [21:51] <max-VHL> 6true, mike [21:51] <HostBob> Eagle, that was only because Israel was at the point of enterign the war [21:51] <mike-VHL> 10The Patriots did not work [21:51] <Eric-VHL> Was Reagan a friend of Israel? [21:51] <rain-VHL> 10Amen Mike - our world revolves around money not loyalty and honor [21:51] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2I know, Bob [21:52] <HostBob> and threatenign Bush's "coalition" [21:52] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Do you know the US has LOTs of oil in reserve? [21:52] <Eric-VHL> How far backdo we have to go to find a friendly pres... [21:52] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Eagle, but they diden't work too well as I sat and watch the news in 91 [21:52] <Levi-VHL> 5Why is that,Bob..I'm not trying to didagree. [21:52] <jim-VHL> when u.s. turns it's back on isreal the same thing will happen to us that happend to england when they turned there back on isreal. p. s. that makes me sad. [21:52] <Judy-VHL> 12And he looks like such a gentle man, George Bush, still can't believe his member of Skull and Bones.! [21:52] <HostBob> Not really, Eric [21:52] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Carter, I think, Eric [21:52] <HostBob> none, actually, in my opinion [21:52] <Rich-VHL> truly, he is the one that woke up a lot of people by saying he couldn't wait to see the new world order [21:52] <mike-VHL> 10But Europe does not and they will preasure us [21:52] <HostBob> when push came to shove, none of them [21:53] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Sorry but what is the skull and bones [21:53] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Judy, e-mail me about this scull and bones, I'm interested in reading about that [21:53] <HostBob> Yes, Jim [21:53] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 2So why is the US still hanging on as an allie Bob? [21:53] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2What is sad is I called one of my Senators, and he replied in a letter and mentioned Netanyahu as PM! [21:53] <skip-VHL> 4where is clinton going after this/ [21:53] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Me too Judy please [21:53] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2That is sad.... [21:53] <Judy-VHL> 12A secret society from Yale. Satanic from what I've heard. [21:54] <Judy-VHL> 12Honoring, let me get a pen [21:54] <mike-VHL> 10US is hanging on as an allie because of rick Jews in New York [21:54] <HostBob> SFC, because for one thing there are a significant number of voting Christians and Jews... [21:54] <rain-VHL> 10Beat me to it Mike [21:54] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Uh, Mike, that is rather unbiased. :-( [21:54] <mike-VHL> 10Rich Jews [21:54] <HostBob> Mike, I would not put it that way [21:54] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4ok, thanks Judy [21:54] <Eric-VHL> US may believe Israel is one of the few allies in middle east -== stable [21:54] <phoeb-VHL> what part will great britian play in all of this? anyone [21:54] <Rich-VHL> Iheard that all the past presidents were freemasons [21:54] <HostBob> The Jewish political clout in the US may be overstated anyway [21:54] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Great Britian already gave land away [21:55] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4The antichrist or prophet is what leniage, or background in the end times ,Bob? [21:55] <Judy-VHL> 12Ok, HONORING, what is e mail? [21:55] <mike-VHL> 10This world is run by money and the Jews are of this world [21:55] <HostBob> One subject at a time, Tim :) [21:55] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2MIKE! [21:55] <phoeb-VHL> what land? [21:55] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 2We aren't an allie spiritually, thats for sure [21:55] Dotk-VHL [~Dotk-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [21:56] <HostBob> Mike, please refrain from such inaccurate and marginally racist statements [21:56] <jim-VHL> 10bob is right true christians support isreal. [21:56] <hope-VHL> 3Mark 16:9 HE APPEARED FIRST TO Mary Magdalene (right after he rose).......In John 20:17 Jesus said, Do not hold on to me, (in the KJV touch me not) for I have not yet returned to the Father. [21:56] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I understand that the wound to the head of the antichrist may be a bullet like a failed attempted of an assasination? just a thought [21:56] <Rich-VHL> mike we're all of this world at sometime or another [21:56] Eric-VHL [~Eric-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Eric-VHL has left the room) [21:56] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4anyone want to answear Judy's question [21:56] lovejesus-VHL [~lovejesus-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:57] <HostBob> Welcome, Love [21:57] <Judy-VHL> 12HONORING, WHAT IS YOUR E MAIL ADDRESS? [21:57] <lovejesus-VHL> hello everyone [21:57] <HostBob> What was her question? [21:57] <lovejesus-VHL> Hi Host bob [21:57] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hello Love [21:57] <Judy-VHL> 12HI LOVE [21:57] <lovejesus-VHL> I have question [21:57] <phoeb-VHL> it was the british that treated the jews so horablehello love [21:57] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Sigh. Y'shua came for the Jew then the Gentile. That means we are all saved by grace! And He loves us all! [21:57] <phoeb-VHL> hello love [21:57] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Hi Love [21:57] <phoeb-VHL> sorry for the typo [21:57] <lovejesus-VHL> i keep qwonder since jesus die and rise with his full body right [21:57] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Yes, phoeb [21:57] <phoeb-VHL> that was to someone else [21:57] <Rich-VHL> hi love [21:58] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4or,Did you get it Judy? [21:58] <HostBob> Yes, Love, Jesus died and rose physically [21:58] Jenn-VHL [~Jenn-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [21:58] <lovejesus-VHL> so people like me for example when I die and my body is still lay under the ground but [21:58] <phoeb-VHL> Jesus came for the lost [21:58] <phoeb-VHL> jew or gentile [21:58] <lovejesus-VHL> my soul will go up right and my body will lay down right [21:58] <Rich-VHL> we know he did Bob [21:58] <mike-VHL> 10I don't have anything but love for the Jewish people but they seem to consider wealth as a blessing from God [21:58] <phoeb-VHL> i once was lost , but now i am found [21:58] <HostBob> Yes, Love, that' show we understand it [21:59] <skip-VHL> 4isn't it [21:59] <lovejesus-VHL> I feel like if I die then soul is just a DREAM go to heaven [21:59] <phoeb-VHL> oh silence [21:59] <HostBob> OK Mike, thanks for the clarification :) Yes, God has certainly blessed the Jewish people in many ways, and those blessings remain [21:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I'm hearing some kind of noise ,like a cough or somthin' is that [21:59] <jim-VHL> 10mike it can be. [21:59] <Rich-VHL> could it be mike that is because they don't have Jesus [21:59] <lovejesus-VHL> people have a dream when sleep right so dream is still part of soul [21:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4it's a lkind of laugh [21:59] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 2Bob;;;;;;;; how does the state of Isreal look upon the United States these days? [21:59] <hope-VHL> 3I feel like our soul is our whole being.....our body is nothing without our soul [22:00] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Mike, God blesses Gentiles too. It rains on the just and unjust the Word says [22:00] <phoeb-VHL> hope you are right [22:00] <phoeb-VHL> our soul liveth on [22:00] pax-VHL [~pax-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:00] <phoeb-VHL> our bodies return to dust [22:00] <HostBob> SFC, my understanding is they look upon us as their friends [22:00] <hope-VHL> 3our bodies our just extra! ;) [22:01] <HostBob> perhaps more than is warranted [22:01] <Judy-VHL> 12Rosesharon, I've got your e mail address, so I will send you information, ok? [22:01] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Maybe they pray for us [22:01] <phoeb-VHL> yes, and i am ready for my new body !!! [22:01] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Thank you Judy [22:01] <lovejesus-VHL> i really want to understand myself since when die and soul will go heaven but how can I see myself and see people [22:01] <HostBob> given the pressure that US adminstration put on Israel to conform to their policies [22:01] <rosesharon-VHL> 6:-) [22:01] <max-VHL> 6never thought of that, rose [22:01] <Judy-VHL> 12No problem sister [22:01] <Levi-VHL> 5That was cute hope [22:01] <lovejesus-VHL> instead without dream [22:01] <Rich-VHL> we're all children of God in these bodies [22:01] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 2I know they depended on us finacially alot [22:02] <HostBob> Love, some things we just don't know :) [22:02] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2We depend on them, too, sfc. I know their order for planes bailed out a local business here! [22:02] <HostBob> We know what He has revealed to us, the important stuff that we need to know [22:02] <lovejesus-VHL> very true :-) [22:02] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2(Praise God!) [22:02] <hope-VHL> 3;) Levi [22:02] <Rich-VHL> in our resurrected bodies we will be mature [22:02] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 2true, its a mixed bag [22:03] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Yup. [22:03] <phoeb-VHL> rich---mature what? [22:03] <phoeb-VHL> mature angels [22:03] <lovejesus-VHL> anyway ANYONE FROM ISRAEL???????? [22:03] <HostBob> Glorified [22:03] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2oh dear [22:03] <HostBob> not angels, [22:03] <hope-VHL> 3I'm ready for my new body too Phoeb! [22:03] <Rich-VHL> as Jesus has shown us the way [22:03] <HostBob> human, but glorified - new kind of bodies [22:03] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Judy are you lost in all of this I know I am [22:03] <max-VHL> 6eagle where are you from [22:04] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I need a new body [22:04] <Judy-VHL> 12Of course, I am Rose. So many people, so many topics. [22:04] <HostBob> Love, it's 3 or 4 AM in Israel :) [22:04] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4so does the bible mention in the old test, Gabrial Micheal for example male angles [22:04] <phoeb-VHL> bob--human glorified bodies? [22:04] <Rich-VHL> Spiritual bodies Bob [22:04] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4is their any notable woman angels? [22:04] <lovejesus-VHL> HostBob, your from Israel or USA???? [22:04] <mike-VHL> 10Do you think we were always meant to live on Earth and will live on New Earth [22:04] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Judy did you get my e-mail? [22:04] <HostBob> Yes, Rich and Phoeb :) 1 Cor 15 [22:05] <rosesharon-VHL> 6So how have you been Judy I told my husband all about you all it was nice that he wanted to come in [22:05] <hope-VHL> 3we'll get the glorified bodies when Christ returns [22:05] <phoeb-VHL> l;ol [22:05] <HostBob> Love, I am in US [22:05] <hope-VHL> 3I believe that mike [22:05] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4lovejesus, go to his awsome site, www.trumpetsounds.com [22:05] <Rich-VHL> mike we will live on earth with Jesus for at least 1000 years [22:05] <HostBob> thanks for the promo TIm! LOL [22:06] Cyccie-VHL [~Cyccie-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:06] <lovejesus-VHL> Honoring god I will check that website thanks [22:06] <HostBob> Yes, Rose! [22:06] <Judy-VHL> 12Yep, I did. I didn't know that you were Tim. You used St Tim when we spoke. I lost your e mail before. That's why I never wrote. I've got it now, though. [22:06] <HostBob> Welcome Cyccie! [22:06] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4hey Bob, if you want to go to Israel, I want to go with you, cause you've got the beefcase physeek, LOL [22:06] <lovejesus-VHL> I am from Indiana, USA [22:06] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hi Cyccie [22:06] <phoeb-VHL> does anyone know who gomer is in the bible? [22:06] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Even though God would protect me too [22:06] <HostBob> OK - I'm sure we missed some questions or comments.. [22:06] <lovejesus-VHL> Hey HOSTBOB, I want go Israel so badly :-) [22:06] <HostBob> or topics... [22:06] <HostBob> Me too, Love [22:06] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2<---blushing [22:07] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Me too! [22:07] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4ok, Judy thanks, [22:07] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I wanna go [22:07] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4No problem Bob [22:07] <HostBob> Phoeb, Gomer is Hosea's wife, right? [22:07] <hope-VHL> 3ARE you guys trying to bribe him into picking you for the winning trip? ;) [22:07] <phoeb-VHL> right,!!! [22:07] <lovejesus-VHL> HostBob, I collect jesus stuffs [22:07] <HostBob> I have no control over it :) [22:07] <lovejesus-VHL> when I go to Israel and of course I will buy lots jesus stuffs [22:07] <hope-VHL> 3I know!!! [22:07] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Does he do that sorry didn't know [22:07] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4phoeb, isen't that gooooleeeee jim neibors?LOL just kidding [22:08] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4coulen't help it [22:08] <skip-VHL> 4Does any have aclue as to what Clinton will after whitehouse?? [22:08] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2LOL at Honoring [22:08] <skip-VHL> 4DO [22:08] <HostBob> Gomer is Hosea's wife, who was unfaithful... a picture of Israel [22:08] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Clinton will live off Mrs. Clinton [22:08] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Who cares [22:08] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL [22:08] <skip-VHL> 4LOL [22:08] <Rich-VHL> clinton will stay in the spotlight for sure [22:08] <rosesharon-VHL> 6sorry [22:08] <Levi-VHL> 5Mike...And anyone can jump in here with their opinion....I had read that that the Jewish people understood espescially after the holocaust that the reins of control or power were seated in the financial houses and banks and so they only gravitated to those institutions for the leverage those positions could afford them. I was just a natural progression for what they percieve as some sort of safety.. [22:08] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Yeah....Bob! She had children by other men, right? [22:09] <HostBob> Yes, Eagle [22:09] <phoeb-VHL> lol [22:09] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2(good point, Levi!) [22:09] <HostBob> When the LORD began to speak through Hosea, the LORD said to him, "Go, take to yourself an adulterous wife and children of unfaithfulness, because the land is guilty of the vilest adultery in departing from the LORD." (Hosea 1:2 NIV) [22:09] <jim-VHL> 10gomer is also a nation [22:09] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Ouch! [22:10] <HostBob> And then she had children... [22:10] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4QUESTION [22:10] <rosesharon-VHL> 6poor hosea [22:10] <HostBob> and God gave them horrendous names.... [22:10] Estelle-VHL [~Estelle-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:10] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4here goes.... [22:10] <phoeb-VHL> oh it is ? what nation [22:10] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2yes... [22:10] <HostBob> "Not loved" "Not my people" [22:10] <hope-VHL> 3go ahead honoring [22:11] <jim-VHL> 10phobe in the north somewhere maybe germany [22:11] <HostBob> But even so, there is a message of hope and reconciliation in Hosea [22:11] <HostBob> that's a different Gomer :) [22:11] <Estelle-VHL> Hi Bob and everyone [22:11] <Rich-VHL> Bob when do you think peace will come to Israel [22:11] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hi Estelle [22:11] <HostBob> Hi Estelle! Glad you made it back this week! [22:11] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Shalom Estelle! [22:11] <hope-VHL> 3Hi Estelle.............................honoring....what happened [22:11] <Judy-VHL> 12Hello Estelle and Pax and Jenn and Cyccie [22:11] <Rich-VHL> hi estelle [22:11] <Judy-VHL> 12Did I miss anyone? [22:11] <hope-VHL> 3WHEN CHRIST RULES!!!! RICH [22:11] <HostBob> Rich, peace will come to Israel, ultimately, when the Prince of Peace reigns from Zion [22:12] <skip-VHL> 4DITTO..... [22:12] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Amen, Bob! [22:12] <Judy-VHL> 12Amen [22:12] <Estelle-VHL> I could not get on for 45 min [22:12] <hope-VHL> 3AMEN BOB [22:12] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4now the key to this is I never talk to him about religion, just about God and wher to find specific answears in the bible [22:12] <phoeb-VHL> ok ihave never heard of a nation referring to gomer [22:12] <HostBob> Oh my Estelle! [22:12] <Judy-VHL> 12Amen Bob and Hop [22:12] <Judy-VHL> 12Hope [22:12] <HostBob> Sorry to hear that! Others have said they had trouble also [22:12] <Estelle-VHL> did not give up [22:12] <Judy-VHL> 12There is though Phoeb [22:12] <rosesharon-VHL> 6room is busy [22:12] <HostBob> Good! :) [22:12] lovejesus-VHL [~lovejesus-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (lovejesus-VHL has left the room) [22:12] <Rich-VHL> doesn't the anti christ make peace with them first [22:13] <HostBob> Estelle should get the seat of honor for her persistence ! :) [22:13] <skip-VHL> 4Ihad same trouble last nite Estelle [22:13] <Rich-VHL> but the peace is short lived [22:13] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4hope, he doesen't return my calls or e-mails, [22:13] <phoeb-VHL> israel was restored in hosea --- right? [22:13] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen Bob [22:13] <pax-VHL> why do jews were black clothes [22:13] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4so does anyone think it's the big Brush off [22:13] <hope-VHL> 3honoring........I'm lost here? who are you talking about? [22:13] <phoeb-VHL> pax i have no idea !~ [22:13] <Estelle-VHL> thanks Bob i had to get here [22:14] <HostBob> Rich, yes, many believe that's what the covenant of Daniel 9 is - a peace treaty with ISrael [22:14] <Judy-VHL> 12Who? Honoring. [22:14] <jim-VHL> 10phoeb ezekiel 38: 6 [22:14] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2<---Jewish and doesn't wear black clothes [22:14] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4oh I'm talking about my brother [22:14] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4blood brother [22:14] <Judy-VHL> 12What about Him? [22:14] <Judy-VHL> 12I think we missed something. [22:14] <Judy-VHL> 12You left out a big chunk [22:14] <hope-VHL> 3you talk to your brother about God, but you don't show him where to look it up in the BIBLE? [22:15] <Rich-VHL> I can't wait for the peace that Jesus will bring us though [22:15] <light2-VHL> Honoring, quit trying to talk to your brother, and start praying for him [22:15] <hope-VHL> 3Honoring..... [22:15] <HostBob> Yes, Rich [22:15] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I had a conversation with my brother the other week ago, he said he was frusterated because when I talked to him it seemed to be about (waht he calls- religion) [22:15] <light2-VHL> God will speak to him [22:16] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4so he said talking about religion is too personal and he would rather not talk about it with me [22:16] <phoeb-VHL> bob-- ezekiel 38:18 the lord god that my fury shall come up in my face (NKJ) [22:16] <phoeb-VHL> who is gog? [22:16] <Judy-VHL> 12Russia [22:16] <hope-VHL> 3you can't force anyone Honoring....you are just called to PLANT THE SEED....God, Holy Spirit will deal with his heart [22:16] <light2-VHL> You and I and everyone else here can't make a convert. God's Spirit will convict and draw with faithful prayer [22:16] Jenn-VHL [~Jenn-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Jenn-VHL has left the room) [22:16] <HostBob> This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign LORD. (Ezekiel 38:18 NIV) [22:16] <HostBob> Probably Russia, Phoeb [22:16] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Honoring the only thing you can do is pray and be a light that shines forth even in silence he will see the Lord through you [22:17] <HostBob> that's the common understanding [22:17] <Rich-VHL> anybody have an idea what id going on in northern Israel now [22:17] <phoeb-VHL> ohhe says surely in that day there shall be a great shaking the the land of israel [22:17] nega-VHL [~nega-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:17] <HostBob> Yes, Rich, chaos [22:17] <nega-VHL> 13shalom!!! [22:17] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4OK, thanks that's what I thought too, [22:17] <HostBob> Shalom, Nega! [22:17] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Shalom nega! [22:17] <hope-VHL> 3Honoring......here is a little hope for you......my husband is a FORMER Muslem......;) [22:17] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh, it's NEGA! [22:17] <HostBob> Yes, Phoebe [22:17] <skip-VHL> 4hi Nega [22:17] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I know it works God is true to his word [22:17] <hope-VHL> 3God CAN DO ANYTHING!!! [22:17] <Rich-VHL> yiur right there bob [22:17] <nega-VHL> 13hi Judy! [22:18] <HostBob> Amen, Hope! [22:18] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4also though out of sight out of mind, for those who's life puts God last [22:18] <Judy-VHL> 12Muslim.....Moslem.....sorry HOPE [22:18] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Israel keeps being shook [22:18] <Levi-VHL> 5Well Hi there Nega!! [22:18] <light2-VHL> Hi Nega good to see you [22:18] <nega-VHL> 13hi everyone. sorry for the delay... [22:18] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Question about Israel....? [22:18] <hope-VHL> 3LOL JUDY, my teacher LOVE YOU!!! ;) [22:18] <light2-VHL> Well see you writhing ha ha [22:18] <HostBob> Yes, Eagle? [22:18] <light2-VHL> I mean writing [22:18] <hope-VHL> 3Hi NEGA! [22:18] <Rich-VHL> does anyone think there is any hope for the muslems [22:18] <HostBob> Once again, I'm sorry that some of these answers are spotty - it's hard with this many people [22:19] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Why is it, this little piece of land, cannot be left alone to the rightful owners of it, [22:19] <hope-VHL> 3I'm glad everyone is saying HELLO when they come in.....tooooo many tonight [22:19] <HostBob> There is hope for everyone, Rich :) [22:19] <phoeb-VHL> russia will play a big part in the end times won't they? [22:19] <HostBob> Yes Phoeb [22:19] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2when there are all kinds of Arab countries around? [22:19] <Rich-VHL> Bob your doing great [22:19] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2I mean, there is more room to share [22:19] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I don't think out of sight out of mind is good. Pray about it [22:19] <nega-VHL> 13this is quite full tonight, which is just gerat :) [22:19] <light2-VHL> Rich with God all things are possible [22:19] <skip-VHL> 4yes Rich G-D does [22:19] <HostBob> very full Nega - the comments were dizzying earlier :) [22:19] <hope-VHL> 3AMEN LIGHT [22:20] <Rich-VHL> I hope so lightfor their sake [22:20] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4question, RIch... there is no hope for us either, unless by Gods Grace only! we are not so special if God chooses muslems, then his grace is appon them as it is us [22:20] <Judy-VHL> 12Luke 18:27 But He said, "The things which are impossible with men are possible with God." [22:20] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen Bob [22:20] <HostBob> Eagle - good question... [22:20] <light2-VHL> Amen Judy [22:20] <light2-VHL> Love covers a multitude of Sin [22:20] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2?? [22:20] <nega-VHL> 13hey Bob-O, nice pic! Now you cannot deny who you are when I arrive at your place to have some free hostelin ;) [22:20] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Praise the Name of the Lord [22:20] <hope-VHL> 3AMEN JUDY [22:20] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Thanks Judy, I've been praying were to find that exact verse/saying [22:20] <light2-VHL> And thou shalt love thine enemy [22:20] <HostBob> and the answer is a spiritual one - it's because God has promised it, and the enemies of God (spirits) do all they can to thwart it [22:21] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Thank you JEsus, praise his Holy Name [22:21] <HostBob> :) Nega [22:21] <Estelle-VHL> God never changes we do [22:21] <Rich-VHL> God has already chosen us honoring [22:21] <HostBob> Amen, Estelle [22:21] <light2-VHL> Hey Bob noticed you went full face this time:-) [22:21] <Judy-VHL> 12Honoring, well I'll be darned......God just used me to answer your prayer. [22:21] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2hmm [22:21] <HostBob> it was Stan's idea ;) [22:21] <light2-VHL> No more scare tactics:-) [22:21] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Where is Bob's picture? Did I miss i? [22:22] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2it? [22:22] <hope-VHL> 3SEE JUDY!!!! He uses ALL OF US!!!! even you and me ;) [22:22] <phoeb-VHL> russia will be the one that will launch the nuclear missle toward israel --right? [22:22] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen [22:22] <HostBob> Phoeb, they will make a ground assault.. according to Ezekiel... [22:22] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4LOL, my brother was on and just went off must have seen I was on,LOL Sorry thats not fare [22:22] <hope-VHL> 3Yeah, Bob, it's nice to finally see your face! ;0 [22:22] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4forgive me [22:22] <light2-VHL> Judy you'll be Blessed ! [22:22] <hope-VHL> 3;) [22:22] <Judy-VHL> 12Yep, HOPE, I love it when that happens. [22:22] <HostBob> I don't know about a missle [22:22] <nega-VHL> 13I am just finishing this book "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus" and it's great. All Jews and Gentiles should read it... [22:22] <skip-VHL> 4Ithink everyone will shot everyone [22:23] <HostBob> Who is the author, Nega? [22:23] <Rich-VHL> russia will launch all their troops at Israel [22:23] <Judy-VHL> 12Sounds good, Nega. [22:23] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4so bob you have a web cam now, ? so do I msn messenger we can see one another some time [22:23] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2<--gonna hide in Israel then! LOL [22:23] <nega-VHL> 13Michael L Brown, a messianic Jew [22:23] <Rich-VHL> to try to wipe them out [22:23] <HostBob> Yes, and there are interesting things in Ezekiel 38 [22:23] <HostBob> such as.... [22:23] <phoeb-VHL> because it johm writes about it in revelation, about our flesh will burn from our bodies or someting like that [22:23] <nega-VHL> 13it's in 3 vol. Only the 1st one has been published already [22:24] <HostBob> After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. (Ezekiel 38:8 NIV) [22:24] <rosesharon-VHL> 6YUKE [22:24] <skip-VHL> 4he is a good writer [22:24] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I would rather be cut in half [22:24] <Estelle-VHL> No one knows the end but i think a man wearing a turbin is in the picture [22:24] <light2-VHL> Thats seems pretty clear Bob [22:24] <Levi-VHL> 5light2..Last week you said that the Lord told you April 9th etc... what did you mean by later saying The Lord had woke me up withthis on my husbands BD What's BD? [22:24] <HostBob> "Recovered from war" - it is my speculation that the soon war with Syria, etc is the one they will have recovered from - because they will soundly defeat them, they will be living in safety [22:24] <Rich-VHL> this after the peace made by the anti christ bobright [22:24] <nega-VHL> 13Yeah, skip! I read it in less than a week! [22:25] <light2-VHL> Birthday [22:25] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Birth day I think? [22:25] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4BD [22:25] <Levi-VHL> 5oh [22:25] <phoeb-VHL> oh [22:25] <hope-VHL> 3what about April 9th Light, I missed it? [22:25] <light2-VHL> And he impressed without words, I can't explain, I just knew [22:25] <HostBob> Phoeb, that's Zechariah.... [22:26] <Judy-VHL> 12Hey Rain, are you still hanging in there????? [22:26] hope-VHL [~hope-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [22:26] <phoeb-VHL> oh sorry [22:26] <HostBob> This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. (Zechariah 14:12 NIV) [22:26] <Rich-VHL> bob it tells in Isaiah that damscus will be hit with a nuke [22:26] <phoeb-VHL> where [22:26] <HostBob> That's ok [22:26] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I have a question [22:26] <light2-VHL> That I was to live from April 9th on , as if I only had 6 months [22:26] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Bob [22:26] <HostBob> Yes Rose? [22:26] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Yup, I am definately gonna hide in Israel! LOL [22:26] <phoeb-VHL> yea that it [22:26] <rosesharon-VHL> 6What do you think of the bible code theroy [22:26] <Levi-VHL> 5I understand impressed without words. [22:26] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Not to say that we are not smart [22:26] hope-VHL [~hope-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:26] <light2-VHL> and when I went to calender to look up date, 6 months to day is Yom Kippur [22:26] <light2-VHL> to date is [22:27] <Judy-VHL> 12I read two books on that subject, Rosesharon. [22:27] <phoeb-VHL> ok what do you think that means? [22:27] <hope-VHL> 3WAIT LIGHT< I just got zapped and missed what you said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 [22:27] <rosesharon-VHL> 6and [22:27] <HostBob> Rose, regarding Bible Codes - there may be some validity to it, but I think He wants us to focus on the plain meaning - if we can listen and obey that, we're doing pretty good :) [22:27] <light2-VHL> He has been showing me things , that I can't even explain to anyone [22:27] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Amen, Bob! [22:27] <Rich-VHL> light what have you been shown [22:27] <jim-VHL> 10amen bob:-) [22:27] <Judy-VHL> 12One by a non believer "The Bible Code" and one by Grant Jeffrey, whom I love. [22:27] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Light, if you don't feel led to share, don't. But if you want, I'm open to listening [22:28] <Rich-VHL> 2if I might ask [22:28] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Maybe I will read the books [22:28] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4light2 so Yom Kippur is today, on what side of the world? [22:29] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2<---confused again [22:29] <HostBob> I'll be back in a few minutes - please continue [22:29] <Rich-VHL> 2I should be going [22:29] <Judy-VHL> 12Bob, I always viewed the Bible codes as one last push on the part of God to show people that He truly does exist. Time is drawing near. I associated it with unsealing the book????? [22:29] <nega-VHL> 13My mother bought this Bible Code of the non-believer and she heard that it was a fake... [22:29] <rudy-VHL> 3 [22:29] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Eaglewood, Don't feel bad on occation I feel confuesd too...again [22:29] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4LOL [22:29] <Levi-VHL> 5When the Lord leads it can be by many ways and it is specific to the individual to what the Spirit seems to confirm [22:29] <rosesharon-VHL> 6You think so Judy [22:29] <HostBob> Yes, Judy, some have speculated that the Bible codes are a special indicator for the Jewish people [22:29] <light2-VHL> No today is not Yom Kippur , it is in Oct [22:30] <Rich-VHL> 2levi I think the lord is leading all of us right now [22:30] <nega-VHL> 13After the Rosh Hashanah... [22:30] <HostBob> and it is not surprising to think that the God with infinite intelligence would hide things in there [22:30] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Isee, thanks light2 [22:30] <skip-VHL> 4and has been for all time [22:30] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Bible code and Unsealing the book are two different things...if speaking of the Book in Revelation [22:30] <HostBob> but we should not read tings into it [22:30] <Judy-VHL> 12If it is truly in the Bible, ONLY God could have done it. [22:30] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4thats what I thought, and the peace accord is supposed to be sighned in sept , or now I hear 1st of June [22:31] <rosesharon-VHL> 6So what you are saying is It is nothing other than a tool to use to understand Gods word [22:31] Estelle-VHL [~Estelle-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Estelle-VHL has left the room) [22:31] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4anyone see the Omega Code, speaking of the bible code? [22:31] <Rich-VHL> 2I think it is in the book of amos where God tells us that He does nothing but that he lets His prophets know first [22:31] Estelle-VHL [~Estelle-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:31] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Yeah I saw it [22:31] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4it talks about it a little in that movie on video tape [22:31] Estelle-VHL [~Estelle-VHL@proxy15.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Estelle-VHL has left the room) [22:32] <max-VHL> 6what did you think of it, rose [22:32] <light2-VHL> Eagle I use to think I was not suppose to share and then the Lord showed me the verse [22:32] <Judy-VHL> 12I saw it and personally, I did not like it. [22:32] <light2-VHL> That says that what you hear in ;the ear, speak from the rooftops [22:32] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I think I should watch it again and without a bunch of people [22:32] <hope-VHL> 3June 1 ? Honoring..........it didn't change from September to June [22:32] <Judy-VHL> 12Omega Code [22:32] <Judy-VHL> 12Confusing. [22:32] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4not the sighning but, the pull out [22:32] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4of territory [22:33] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Sept 13 is when PA plans to declare statehood [22:33] <Judy-VHL> 12What did you think Max? [22:33] <hope-VHL> 3the pullout was originally supposed to be in JULY [22:33] <skip-VHL> 4It's work time,sorry to leave good company.G-D keep you all safe SHALOM [22:33] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I thought so too Judy like I said I need to watch it again I did buy it [22:33] <hope-VHL> 3SHALOM Skip [22:33] <HostBob> Shalom, Skip :) [22:33] <nega-VHL> 13bye skip! Blessings! [22:33] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Good night Skip God Bless [22:33] <Judy-VHL> 12I borrowed it [22:33] <Judy-VHL> 12By skip [22:34] <hope-VHL> 3Omega code left the mark of the beast completely OUT [22:34] <max-VHL> 6I have not seen it. I wanted to, but then heard some criticism, so just wondered what you thought. [22:34] <skip-VHL> 4:-* [22:34] <Levi-VHL> 5Think they will Eagle.... They didn't the last time ...Which I think was May 14th [22:34] <max-VHL> 6night skip [22:34] skip-VHL [~skip-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (skip-VHL has left the room) [22:34] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Shalom Skip [22:34] <hope-VHL> 3they only said JESUS ONE time in the WHOLE movie [22:34] <Judy-VHL> 12On TV they all think it is great. I just don't get it. [22:34] <Rich-VHL> 2by skip [22:34] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Really I didn't pick up on that [22:34] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Yes, I do Levi. I spoke with IDF soldier last month and I think they will [22:34] <max-VHL> 6you're kidding, hope [22:34] <hope-VHL> 3who thinks it's great Judy? [22:34] <light2-VHL> Really it is important to draw near to God by pray and reading of His holy Word [22:35] <Judy-VHL> 12I have the other 3 movies though. Apocalypse. [22:35] <rosesharon-VHL> 6TBN most likely [22:35] <hope-VHL> 3Yeah, Max, I was waiting....and waiting......and finally ONE time [22:35] <Judy-VHL> 12LIKE DIFFERENT PREACHERS ON TV [22:35] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Those are good movies Judy [22:35] <Rich-VHL> 2bob are you still here [22:35] <light2-VHL> A movies just is not going to reveal what the Spirit has to say [22:35] <HostBob> I'm here, Rich :) [22:35] <Levi-VHL> 5Are you in Israel as we speak Eagle? [22:36] <nega-VHL> 13hes resting his fingers a little LOL [22:36] <max-VHL> 6Judy did you like Apocalypse? Haven't seen that one yet either. [22:36] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2No, I am not Levi [22:36] <Judy-VHL> 12I think so too ROSE, but I like 2nd one the best [22:36] <phoeb-VHL> in revelations 1:11 seven churches which are asia, ephesus and smyrna adn pergamos, thyatira and sardis, philadelphia and laodicea, [22:36] <Rich-VHL> 2this only second time at chat for me kinda fast [22:36] <Judy-VHL> 12There are 3 of them Max. [22:36] <HostBob> It's faster than usual, tonight [22:36] <phoeb-VHL> now where is pergamos and thyatura [22:36] <Judy-VHL> 12They are pretty good. [22:36] <HostBob> a bumper crop of chatters [22:36] <Levi-VHL> 5OH [22:36] <Judy-VHL> 122nd one is the best. [22:36] <hope-VHL> 3LOL [22:36] <phoeb-VHL> lol [22:36] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2<---chatter box! LOL :-) [22:36] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I have seen all of them [22:36] <Rich-VHL> 2thats good [22:36] <HostBob> :) [22:36] <nega-VHL> 13yeah. wonder why... [22:37] <phoeb-VHL> i can't help it i just have so many questions [22:37] <Judy-VHL> 12Me too [22:37] <nega-VHL> 13I think its because of the pictures [22:37] <Levi-VHL> 5Your'e doing ok Rich [22:37] <Judy-VHL> 12They are making the Left Behind series into a movie. Out in October. [22:37] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2ROFL Nega! LOL :-) [22:37] <HostBob> That's fine, Phoeb, ask away! There are people here with answers, perhaps [22:37] <Rich-VHL> 2thanks levi [22:37] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Really Judy [22:37] <nega-VHL> 13you guys did a publicity manoeuver [22:37] <HostBob> Puleeezzzzz [22:37] pax-VHL [~pax-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [22:37] <max-VHL> 6I love Left Behind series. [22:37] <HostBob> Take it up with Stan :) [22:38] <Judy-VHL> 12Yep, ROSE [22:38] <nega-VHL> 13LOL [22:38] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2lol [22:38] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Oh I can't wait [22:38] <hope-VHL> 3what are you PULEEEZZZZ ing about Bob [22:38] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL [22:38] <HostBob> :) [22:38] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Ok, where is Stan? LOL [22:38] <hope-VHL> 3LOL [22:38] <HostBob> Nega's assertions :) [22:38] <phoeb-VHL> ok 1) where is pergamos? [22:38] <light2-VHL> Heres a promise that will knock your socks off [22:38] <HostBob> Stan's asleep in Jerusalem [22:38] <Levi-VHL> 5Stan's sleeping [22:38] <Judy-VHL> 12I have been getting excerpts of "The Indwellers" in my e mail, ROSE. [22:38] <Rich-VHL> 2bob do you think we're in the latter days [22:38] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Bob, he'd better be! It's too early to be up yet! [22:39] <HostBob> Yes, Rich, very much so [22:39] <light2-VHL> If you abide in me, and my words abide in you , ye shall ask what ye will, and it will be done for you [22:39] <hope-VHL> 3I HOPE SO [22:39] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Wow that is nice [22:39] <HostBob> I'd say watch Israel very closely now [22:39] <nega-VHL> 13we have to congratulate him, then. it was a publicist's masterpiece LOLL [22:39] <Levi-VHL> 5So do I Rich [22:39] <HostBob> things are going to be hot there [22:39] <Rich-VHL> 2I think so too [22:39] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Yeah [22:39] <light2-VHL> That is a promise from our Lord none of us can afford not to take [22:39] <HostBob> the last 10 days or so have been startling [22:39] <rain-VHL> 10Judy ... I'm still here - just had to make some food for the family ... I'm reading and weaving and cooking and reading [22:39] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Yeah, when Israel regains all her land....it's gonna be a big one! [22:39] <Judy-VHL> 12Yeah, ROSE AND MAX, in the new book coming out tomorrow, I won't tell you who, but another christian bites the dust. [22:39] jim-VHL [~jim-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [22:40] <Rich-VHL> 2such as bob [22:40] <Judy-VHL> 12YOU are a busy lady, RAIN [22:40] <light2-VHL> Probably cause he didn't read The Word [22:40] <hope-VHL> 3rain LOL [22:40] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL I like that [22:40] <max-VHL> 6But what is it about the current events that is so startling? What makes it different from the continuing conflict? [22:40] <nega-VHL> 13in this book I am about to finish, the author compares spiritual calendar to Jewish calendar... [22:40] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Max, I think Israel is about to see the Knesset break off and perhaps a no-confidence vote pass? [22:41] <phoeb-VHL> nega --what is the name of that book? [22:41] <HostBob> Max, I think it's that the "peace process" is starting to fall apart - the Palestinians are showing their real intentions... [22:41] <hope-VHL> 3MAX....things are really starting to boil in Israel now [22:41] <HostBob> and the Lebanon situation is leading to war [22:41] <Rich-VHL> 2what has happend bob I'd really like to know [22:41] <mike-VHL> 10Pergamum is on the Coast just above Smyrna both in Turkey [22:41] <rain-VHL> 10LOL Hope;-) [22:41] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2And Israel has been refrained from defending the temple mount [22:41] <nega-VHL> 13"Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus" . [22:41] <hope-VHL> 3this is the PERFECT time for the "peace man" antichrist to show up, and make things better! [22:41] <phoeb-VHL> oh that you mike !! [22:41] <HostBob> Rich, a week or so ago the Israeli's celebrated their independence day [22:41] <Rich-VHL> 2I know I had a vision about it [22:41] <nega-VHL> 13by Michael L Brown, a messianic Jew [22:42] <Levi-VHL> 5There are just so many things that our Redeemer has spoken about which are really pulling together [22:42] <HostBob> which the Palestinians call "the disaster" or "the catastrophe" - the founding of Israel [22:42] <light2-VHL> Most of the time the beast is refered to as a neuter noun, computer, beast?? [22:42] <phoeb-VHL> that is thank you mike [22:42] <HostBob> and their protests turned very violent [22:42] <max-VHL> 6Please explain, Eagle, I'm a pretty new Christian and pretty new to prophecy. [22:42] <Rich-VHL> 2I know bob nice huh [22:42] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Max, Bob is explaining [22:43] <HostBob> perhaps the most telling quote was this, today.... [22:43] <Rich-VHL> 2for Israel that is [22:43] <HostBob> Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - If U.S.-brokered negotiations between Israel [22:43] <HostBob> and the Palestinian Authority fail to yield the territorial concessions [22:43] <HostBob> demanded by the PA, Palestinians will take to the streets and seize it once [22:43] <HostBob> statehood is declared. This is the view of the PA Minister of Jerusalem [22:43] <HostBob> Affairs, Faisal Husseini, quoted in the London-based Arabic language paper [22:43] <HostBob> Al-Hayat this week. [22:43] <HostBob> And according to the Lebanese Foundation for Peace: "Leading P.L.O. official [22:43] <HostBob> Feisal Husseini confirmed that not only will the Palestinian Authority [22:43] <HostBob> declare a state 'on all its lands' on September 13, but that the next day, [22:43] <HostBob> the Palestinians living in refugee camps will 'march' towards Israeli cities [22:43] <HostBob> and villages [22:43] <mike-VHL> 10Bob do you think the anit christ will be revealed before the rapture or after [22:43] <HostBob> Husseini admitted that violence during such a march would be [22:43] <HostBob> likely, and that it could lead to a Palestinian 'conquest' of Jewish towns [22:43] <HostBob> in Yesha: 'The Palestinians will be prepared for a confrontation. If the [22:43] <HostBob> Israelis intercept the marches or cut the roads, the Palestinians will cut [22:43] <HostBob> the roads connecting Israel to the Jewish settlements in the Palestinian [22:43] <HostBob> areas, no matter what happens.'" [22:44] <Rich-VHL> 2oh I hope not [22:44] <HostBob> That's very nearly a declaration of war, wouldn't you say? [22:44] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2That's pretty blunt [22:44] <phoeb-VHL> ok, i give in. 4:30 am comes way to early for me. I have tried to hang in here as long as i could. [22:44] <nega-VHL> 13Yes, Bob... [22:44] <HostBob> Doesn't sound like they want peace at all [22:44] <phoeb-VHL> oh now you are gona talk about israel [22:44] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Shalom Phoeb! [22:44] <Rich-VHL> 2you should have srrn that vision I had [22:44] <Judy-VHL> 12Did we really expect anything else????? [22:44] <HostBob> Thanks for your presence, Phoeb! [22:44] <hope-VHL> 3Mike, he is Post trib, [22:44] <rosesharon-VHL> 6God Bless phoeb [22:45] <HostBob> No, Judy, we cannot - and it is coming out, exposed [22:45] <Judy-VHL> 12Right [22:45] <phoeb-VHL> shalom to all. I feel like i just ran a 5 mile race. [22:45] <Rich-VHL> 2it was so terible it was about war [22:45] <max-VHL> 6God bless phoeb [22:45] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Bob, I think it is an answer to prayer that their intentions are shown BEFORE more land concessions are made [22:45] <hope-VHL> 3so post tribers believe that the antichrist will be revealed before [22:45] <Judy-VHL> 12Goodnight Phoeb [22:45] <nega-VHL> 13who is post-trib hope? [22:46] <HostBob> True, Eagle [22:46] <hope-VHL> 3Bob........;) [22:46] <phoeb-VHL> goodnight all! [22:46] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Just as it was with Golan [22:46] <HostBob> Nega, I lean towards the post-trib viewpoint [22:46] sue-VHL [~sue-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:46] <Judy-VHL> 12Hmmmmmmmm [22:46] <HostBob> Welcome, Sue! [22:46] <nega-VHL> 13oh, in the sense of rapture? [22:46] <hope-VHL> 3mike asked a question, and I answered it..... [22:46] <nega-VHL> 13oh, ok [22:46] <Rich-VHL> 2I do too bob [22:46] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Hi Sue! [22:46] <HostBob> Thanks, Hope ;) [22:46] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Sue [22:46] <sue-VHL> hello [22:46] <hope-VHL> 3;) [22:46] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hello Sue [22:46] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2I dunno, I just say, Y'shua is coming back [22:47] <Judy-VHL> 12And I said Hmmmmmmmmm [22:47] <HostBob> Yeah! [22:47] <nega-VHL> 13hope is also secretary ;) [22:47] <HostBob> And real soon now! [22:47] <hope-VHL> 3LOL JUDY [22:47] <hope-VHL> 3LOL NEGA [22:47] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Ok, Bob...I am confused again [22:47] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Me too [22:47] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2If Y'shua is coming back soon....are we not to be taken with Him? [22:47] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh no [22:47] <HostBob> that's ok, Eagle :) I'm confused here half the time :) [22:47] <Rich-VHL> 2can't wait for Him bob but know I must [22:48] <hope-VHL> 3LOL BOB ;) [22:48] phoeb-VHL [~phoeb-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (phoeb-VHL has left the room) [22:48] <HostBob> Yes, Eagle, when He appears, we will be with Him [22:48] <hope-VHL> 3don't worry Eagle, when HE comes, we'll be taken [22:48] <hope-VHL> 3HEYYYYY [22:48] <nega-VHL> 13who isnt, anyway? But I still stick to the middle LOL [22:48] <hope-VHL> 3;) [22:48] <Judy-VHL> 12Hey Eagle, Let it be known that I am NOT afraid to say that I am a Pre Tribulation Rapturist (?) [22:48] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Praise the Lord I am ready [22:48] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Then, if He is coming back soon, are we in the Tribulation now? [22:48] <Rich-VHL> 2what does LOL mean [22:48] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2LOL Judy! [22:48] <mike-VHL> 10Me too Judy [22:48] <hope-VHL> 3laughing out loud [22:48] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2LOL...Laugh Out Loud [22:48] <rudy-VHL> 3Me too judy [22:49] <HostBob> Yes, Rich, we all are eager for that day [22:49] <sue-VHL> me too [22:49] <Rich-VHL> 2oh [22:49] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Bob??? [22:49] womanofgod10years-VH [~womanofgod10years-VH@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:49] <hope-VHL> 3NO eagle, we are not in the tribulation now [22:49] <nega-VHL> 13the important is to be ready when he comes! [22:49] <HostBob> Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion! When the LORD restores the fortunes of his people, let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad! (Psalms 14:7 NIV) [22:49] <hope-VHL> 3not YET [22:49] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen Nega [22:49] <hope-VHL> 3AMEN BOB [22:49] jim-VHL [~jim-VHL@proxy14.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:49] <HostBob> Welcome Woman! [22:49] <womanofgod10years-VH> Praise God... [22:49] <HostBob> And Jim, Hello! [22:49] HonoringGod-VHL [~HonoringGod-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (HonoringGod-VHL has left the room) [22:49] <womanofgod10years-VH> Hello Everyone:0 [22:49] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hello Woman [22:49] <nega-VHL> 13hi woman! [22:49] <womanofgod10years-VH> <*)))))>< [22:50] <Rich-VHL> 2It is Good to know Jesus [22:50] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Hi Woman [22:50] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi womanofgod [22:50] <HostBob> Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming. It is close at hand-- (Joel 2:1 NIV) [22:50] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen Rich [22:50] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Yes, Bob [22:50] <Levi-VHL> 5Hi womanofgod [22:50] <HostBob> Look! The LORD is coming from his dwelling place; he comes down and treads the high places of the earth. (Micah 1:3 NIV) [22:50] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Praise God [22:50] <Judy-VHL> 12And it is good that Jesus knows our hearts!!!!! [22:50] <womanofgod10years-VH> Amen...anytime now... [22:50] <Judy-VHL> 12Amen [22:50] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2BUT, if you are post -trib, and Y'shua is returning soon, do you beleive we are in the Tribulation now? [22:50] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Thank You Lord [22:50] <womanofgod10years-VH> Nothing but the Blood .... [22:50] <light2-VHL> Bob when do you think the trib will be usherd in?? [22:50] <mike-VHL> 10Bob is tha tPsalm talking about now or 1000 years reign [22:50] <HostBob> No, Eagle [22:51] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Ok, help me be unconfused [22:51] <HostBob> too many questions :) [22:51] <hope-VHL> 3on another note///// in "Wright, Environmental Warfare" video, Steven C. Wright quotes Dr. Kirk E. Koch, "a professor who has lectured at over 100 universities in 65 countries on the New world Order under the United Nations, " as stating, .... [22:51] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2I am feeling more and more like Vinnie Barbarino [22:51] <HostBob> :) [22:51] <womanofgod10years-VH> Trust In jesus..Just to take Him by His Word. [22:51] <jim-VHL> hi [22:51] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL [22:51] <nega-VHL> 13poor Bob... I'd ask Stan for a raise or a helper... LOL [22:51] <HostBob> and I feel like that poor hapless teacher LOL [22:51] <Judy-VHL> 12YO VINNIE [22:51] <Levi-VHL> 5go hope [22:51] <womanofgod10years-VH> Jesus Jesus How We Love Thee. [22:51] <hope-VHL> 3"each person will have a registered number, without which he will not be allowed to buy or sell,... [22:51] <rain-VHL> 10You went and changed LOL - thought it was LOTS OF LOVE ... I'm a loving type [22:51] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Eagle that goes back a few years [22:51] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2LOL Judy! [22:51] J_B_-VHL [~J_B_-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:52] <Levi-VHL> 5I like that Eagle [22:52] <HostBob> Welcome JB [22:52] <Rich-VHL> 2yes Love God and His Holy Son [22:52] <Levi-VHL> 5hi jim [22:52] <light2-VHL> Well those that wear the crown must carry the cross Bob:-) [22:52] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Yeah, I am showing my age, Rose! [22:52] <womanofgod10years-VH> Amen...I am not [22:52] <HostBob> Eagle, to answer your question... [22:52] <hope-VHL> 3and there will be one universal world church. Anyone who refuses to take part in this universal system will have no right to exist." CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS [22:52] <womanofgod10years-VH> Worried..God took care of His People for 40 years and feed them Manna every day. [22:52] <mike-VHL> 10time to go God bless all [22:52] <HostBob> Jesus said "I am coming soon" - it was true then, it's true now [22:52] <nega-VHL> 13I do hope, I do... [22:52] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Shalom Mike [22:53] <HostBob> See ya Mike! Shalom - we love ya :) [22:53] <rosesharon-VHL> 6What a minute I watched the originals also [22:53] <Judy-VHL> 12I sure can, Hope [22:53] <hope-VHL> 3Good night Mike, God bless you [22:53] <HostBob> Hope, where is that from? [22:53] <womanofgod10years-VH> Amen..Jesus is the same yesterday, Today and Forever. [22:53] <hope-VHL> 3SCARY HUH? [22:53] <Judy-VHL> 12It'sa happening!! [22:53] mike-VHL [~mike-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (mike-VHL has left the room) [22:53] <Rich-VHL> 2yes hope, I can't wait to die gloriously for our Lord [22:53] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Good night Mike and God Bless [22:53] <Levi-VHL> 5I just have to go back and see where you got that at hope [22:53] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2<---not going to die, gonna live forever! [22:53] <womanofgod10years-VH> Amen...Beam Me Up Jesus.. [22:54] <hope-VHL> 3I read it in the book "Antichrist and a Cup of Tea" page 433.......and that comes from the "Wright, "environmental Warfare"video... [22:54] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Me too Eagle [22:54] <HostBob> To live is Christ, to die is gain! [22:54] <womanofgod10years-VH> God Bless You and Yorus Mike. [22:54] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL Woman [22:54] <light2-VHL> Hope it should make us run to our Savior and draw every bit of our strength from Him [22:54] <HostBob> thanks, hope [22:54] <Rich-VHL> 2I mean give up my body for Jesus [22:54] <hope-VHL> 3HEY, I"M just quoting what I READ, doesn't mean it's true guys!!!! [22:54] <womanofgod10years-VH> we have the Comforter. [22:54] <Judy-VHL> 12I'm sure that it is. [22:54] <Judy-VHL> 12True [22:54] <light2-VHL> I mean we should be crying out to God [22:55] <hope-VHL> 3I want to look up this guy Dr. Kirk E. Koch [22:55] <Judy-VHL> 12Stuff lilke that is said all the time nowadays. [22:55] <light2-VHL> I know it is true [22:55] <hope-VHL> 3he's the one who supposedly said it [22:55] <Rich-VHL> 2yes woman we have the comforter [22:55] J_B_-VHL [~J_B_-VHL@proxy16.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (J_B_-VHL has left the room) [22:55] <womanofgod10years-VH> I sure dont want to be here..When He is Gone.. [22:55] HonoringGod-VHL [~HonoringGod-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:55] <hope-VHL> 3AND [22:55] <HostBob> Yes, we will be looked upon as hindering the progress of humanity because of our negative, outdated message [22:55] <Rich-VHL> 2woman where is He going [22:56] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4hi, again [22:56] DonB-VHL [~DonB-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:56] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2Bob, we already are seen that way [22:56] <max-VHL> 6brb, kids are fighting [22:56] <womanofgod10years-VH> I was Just checking in...I will be back in a Few... Unless the Trumpet Sounds... [22:56] <EagleofGod-VHL> 2LOL Woman! [22:56] <Judy-VHL> 12WE ARE ALREADY KNOWN AS THE HATERS [22:56] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Bob, it says their is a current 266 people /Current Global users [22:56] <HostBob> See you later, woman :) [22:56] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4is that right? [22:56] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Haters of what Judy [22:56] <HostBob> what? [22:57] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4bob you takin off? [22:57] <DonB-VHL> Shalom [22:57] <HostBob> We are intolerant, we are not exclusive [22:57] <Rich-VHL> 2well I have to go now, God Bless You all [22:57] <HostBob> inclusive I mean [22:57] <EagleofGod-VHL> 27Shalom Rich! [22:57] <HostBob> no, Honor [22:57] max-VHL [~max-VHL@proxy6.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [22:57] <rudy-VHL> 3nite rich [22:57] <HostBob> Bye Rich!!! [22:57] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Good night Rich and God Bless [22:57] <Judy-VHL> 12Haters, THE HATE CRIME BILL....... that is aimed at people like us, christians [22:57] <HostBob> Thanks for your contributions! [22:57] <hope-VHL> 3you know that "MONDEX", the cash-like system.......I read that MONDEX represents a combination of "monetary" for money and "dexter" for right-hand, or money for the right hand. [22:57] <HostBob> Shalom! [22:57] <Levi-VHL> 5see you rich God Bless [22:57] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4can you e-mail me about the hairitage of the antichrist, as per the prophecy who he must be, what (trib) sort a speak [22:57] <Judy-VHL> 12THEY think that we hate homosexuals. [22:58] <Judy-VHL> 12etc [22:58] <HostBob> I don [22:58] <hope-VHL> 3we HATE THE SIN [22:58] <HostBob> I don't know the answer to that, Tim [22:58] Rich-VHL [~Rich-VHL@proxy13.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Rich-VHL has left the room) [22:58] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4ok, [22:58] nega-VHL [~nega-VHL@proxy5.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [22:58] <womanofgod10years-VH> Well I Made it Back Befroe Roll-Call [22:58] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4thanks ,God bless BOb [22:58] <hope-VHL> 3Tim? who's TIM [22:58] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I don't hate the sinner I just hate the sin [22:58] <Levi-VHL> 5Like I said it all is pulling together [22:58] <Judy-VHL> 12Yes, we hate the sin, but they think we want to kill them. They think we hate them. [22:58] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4me , I'm Tim [22:58] <HostBob> Honoring = Tim [22:58] <rosesharon-VHL> 6there is a difference [22:59] <hope-VHL> 3OH ;) [22:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Thanks Bob [22:59] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7I hate the demon behind the sin as well! :-) [22:59] <womanofgod10years-VH> Sin is Sin..Homosexual or Straight...Sin is Sin. We dont hate the Sinners..We hate the Sin [22:59] max-VHL [~max-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [22:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4;-) hope [22:59] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen Eagle [22:59] <Judy-VHL> 12I know the difference, they don't know the difference. [22:59] <HostBob> The world ... hates me because I testify that what it does is evil. - Jesus [22:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Bob, hello to the misses [22:59] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Yep. Big changes in our society in 8 years [22:59] <hope-VHL> 3we have to be TOLERABLE they say!!!!! that is the IN thing [23:00] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Shoot,in ten years [23:00] <HostBob> Thanks, Tim :) [23:00] <sue-VHL> they don't want to know the difference I don't think [23:00] nega-VHL [~nega-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [23:00] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4night, their in the Gator state [23:00] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Well that is why we have to love all [23:00] <HostBob> Welcome back, Nega! [23:00] <nega-VHL> 13hi again... browser problems... [23:00] <womanofgod10years-VH> The In thing is a Ticket Away from God. [23:00] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Hey Nega! [23:00] <Judy-VHL> 12Not only the IN thing, the MANDATORY thing. [23:00] <nega-VHL> 13thanx Bob! [23:00] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7May I be rude? Just a little rude? [23:00] <HostBob> Nope, no rude :) [23:00] <hope-VHL> 3be kind eagle [23:00] <womanofgod10years-VH> Go for it.. [23:00] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4go ahead if it honors God, Eagle [23:01] <nega-VHL> 13sure eagle. I am rude too sometimes LOL [23:01] <womanofgod10years-VH> jsut as long as it honors God. [23:01] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Ok, I will. My rudeness is this: [23:01] <sue-VHL> when does being rude honor God? [23:01] <HostBob> we know all about YOU, Nega :) [23:01] light2-VHL [~light2-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [23:01] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4sue, that was a joke... IT DOESEN"T that was the idea! Sue [23:01] <sue-VHL> sorry [23:01] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Y'shua died for our sins, not just to love on us, and He rose 3 days later and He ministered to the sick and needy [23:02] <womanofgod10years-VH> Many thought Jesus was Rude..When he Kicked the Tables Over in the Temple..He was not Politicly Correct Either. [23:02] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7and He called sin, sin, just as John the Baptist did [23:02] <hope-VHL> 3ok [23:02] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Yes, that is it Woman! [23:02] <nega-VHL> 13wow, do you mean I am on the FBI or the Israel's secret service (I forgot the name) files? [23:02] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Rude to the world is not being politically correct! [23:02] <hope-VHL> 3that's not being RUDE, that is being FIRM on your convictions...... [23:03] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7I know that, Hope. But there are those who don't [23:03] <HostBob> You know, I want to interject something - for the number of weeks I have hosted this, I'm really amazed at the civility and politeness of the chatters! Very few misunderstandings of harsh words [23:03] <nega-VHL> 13I dont like this pilitically correct thing. it's hypocrisy, for me... [23:03] <womanofgod10years-VH> Because We Stand for Right and Wrong..And Will not be Politiclt Correct many see us as Rude Already. [23:03] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Oh but the Love of Jesus turned more people around than rudness [23:03] <HostBob> Makes my job much easier, and I appreciate it :) [23:03] <hope-VHL> 3we'll NEVER be tolerable to the world, we'll always be the HATERS [23:03] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7I think we have gotten so much from the world, we know the difference, Bob! LOL [23:03] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4very well worded and thought out Bob, We love you too [23:04] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7I asked permission to be rude first? [23:04] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7:-) [23:04] <HostBob> LOL [23:04] <nega-VHL> 13you better be Bob, 'cause I know about chatting but dont start recognizing it so much or it will be spoiled LOL [23:04] <Judy-VHL> 12Maybe Jesus really DOES live in us, right Bob? [23:04] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4True, Eagle that is not even rude [23:04] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Yes I praise the Lord for this room that is for sure [23:04] <womanofgod10years-VH> That Right...I said many see us as Rude... My prayer Every Day is that everything I say and do will be a reflection of the Love of god. [23:04] <hope-VHL> 3YEAH , we're COOOOL in here!!!;) [23:04] <Levi-VHL> 5You and Stan are certainly much appreciated [23:04] <HostBob> Yeah, Judy :) [23:04] <HostBob> Thanks, Levi [23:04] <max-VHL> night all. have really enjoyed this. take care all. [23:04] <HostBob> See ya Max! [23:04] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Shalom Max! [23:04] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye Max [23:04] <nega-VHL> 13bye max! blessings [23:04] <hope-VHL> 3God Bless you MAX [23:05] <womanofgod10years-VH> Praise God.. [23:05] max-VHL [~max-VHL@proxy1.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (max-VHL has left the room) [23:05] <hope-VHL> 3Don, are you still there? [23:05] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Good night Max and may the Lord Bless you [23:05] <nega-VHL> 13anyway, go on RUDEeagle :P [23:05] <HostBob> LOL [23:05] <Levi-VHL> 5See you Max, God Bless [23:05] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Naww, I really am a nice person [23:05] <womanofgod10years-VH> Pass Around the Fish and the Loaves [23:05] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Really [23:05] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Truly [23:05] <hope-VHL> 3we figured that much Eagle ;) [23:05] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7LOL Thanks! [23:05] <HostBob> Yes, she/he is - we were talking before the main chat started :) [23:05] <hope-VHL> 3sounds good woman [23:05] <nega-VHL> 13now he feels guilty LOL [23:06] <womanofgod10years-VH> Good Night to You..God Bless You and Yours. [23:06] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7She, Bob [23:06] <nega-VHL> 13she [23:06] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7<---female in gender [23:06] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Good night Woman and God Bless you [23:06] <nega-VHL> 13dont be guilty eagle. I was just kidding [23:06] <hope-VHL> 3Of course, woman always ask first!!!! ;) [23:06] <Judy-VHL> 12Goodnight womanofgod [23:06] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7I'm not Nega....SMILE [23:06] <HostBob> Night, woman! [23:06] <hope-VHL> 3women [23:06] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Shalom WOman! [23:06] <nega-VHL> 13great Judy! [23:06] <womanofgod10years-VH> the is no condemnation for those that are in Christ Jesus.. [23:07] <Levi-VHL> 5Good night womanofgod [23:07] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen [23:07] <womanofgod10years-VH> Shalom [23:07] <nega-VHL> 13thats why this is such a civilized chatroom LOL [23:07] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Female Eagles are larger than males and major hunters for fish! [23:07] <womanofgod10years-VH> Good Night Levi [23:07] <HostBob> Whoa! [23:07] <Judy-VHL> 12Hey DonB, are you going to say hi, tonight? [23:07] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL [23:07] <womanofgod10years-VH> They have the Best Eyes. [23:07] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Yup [23:07] <hope-VHL> 3OH NO, what Have I started!!! [23:07] <rain-VHL> 10Sweet dreams and God Bless womanofgod and Levi, too [23:07] <DonB-VHL> hi sis:-) [23:07] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Whoa? [23:07] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Good Night Levi God Bless [23:07] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Huh? [23:07] <HostBob> :) [23:07] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Hi DonB [23:07] <nega-VHL> 13LOL hope [23:07] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye Levi [23:07] <womanofgod10years-VH> Go With God [23:07] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Bro [23:07] <rain-VHL> 10Hey DonB [23:08] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Shalom Levi [23:08] <DonB-VHL> hi eagle [23:08] <DonB-VHL> hi rain [23:08] <nega-VHL> 13anyway, did eagle finished her rude qustion? [23:08] <Judy-VHL> 12Rain, you put your knitting down!!!! [23:08] <HostBob> OK - anyone have a topic suggestion? question? [23:08] <rosesharon-VHL> 6? [23:08] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Yeah, I finished it, Nega, sorry [23:08] <hope-VHL> 3I think so Nega LOL [23:08] <sue-VHL> how often are you guys all in here? [23:08] <nega-VHL> 13oh, I ll have to go back and see LOL [23:08] <Levi-VHL> 5My goodnight was for womanofgod ..I'm staying right here 'til meltdown!! [23:08] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7ROFL! LEVI! [23:08] <hope-VHL> 3Oh, Bob, I looked up that PRODI guy, he doesn't look the type! [23:09] <Judy-VHL> 12Not good looking enough? [23:09] <HostBob> Every Mondy night we have this prophecy chat [23:09] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7(blushing) [23:09] <hope-VHL> 3LOL, oh don't start Judy [23:09] <HostBob> And Thursday.. 8 PM with Stan [23:09] <hope-VHL> 3LOL [23:09] <HostBob> but the rooms are always open [23:09] <Judy-VHL> 12I am SERIOUS [23:09] <sue-VHL> and what do you usually chat about? [23:09] <hope-VHL> 3LOL [23:09] <Levi-VHL> 5Bob can I say this? [23:09] <womanofgod10years-VH> I was Saying Good bye to you Levi... Until the Trumpet Sounds... [23:09] <Judy-VHL> 12He's got to be a hunk [23:09] <HostBob> Sure [23:09] <hope-VHL> 3OH NO [23:09] <nega-VHL> 13now I am dumb. I really didnt get the "rudness" or the question either [23:09] <HostBob> Judy, chapter and verse for that? :) [23:09] <sfcwoodret-VHL> 2Bob how close are we to a one world order? [23:09] <DonB-VHL> lol [23:09] <Judy-VHL> 12Only physical though, totally evil on inside [23:10] <Judy-VHL> 12MY chapter and verse, if you will allow me???? [23:10] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Nega, I was being sarcastic when I said Rude [23:10] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Just kidding [23:10] <hope-VHL> 3Nega, it was about being politically incorrect in this world......we will always look like the RUDE ones, the HATERS [23:10] <HostBob> SFC, I don't know - it seems that the "secret power of godliness" is mostly under wraps now... [23:10] <Levi-VHL> 5When we think of all the prophectic utterances given to us consider this seemingly lesser one! [23:10] <nega-VHL> 13I know Eagle... [23:11] <Levi-VHL> 5If that could ever be possible [23:11] <HostBob> Bible, Judy? :) [23:11] <hope-VHL> 3what CHAPTER AND VERSE!!!!LOL [23:11] <nega-VHL> 13So I am rude 'cause I am not politically correct [23:11] <nega-VHL> 13I prefer to be sincere [23:11] <rain-VHL> 10Judy if you're going by looks Snidley Whiplash has nothing on Prodi [23:11] <hope-VHL> 3KEEP being RUDE NEGA, in this sense it's GOOD! ;) [23:11] <HostBob> ungodliness, that is, SCF [23:11] <womanofgod10years-VH> As Long as it is from your Heart [23:11] <HostBob> sorry [23:11] <sue-VHL> what do you all usually discuss here? [23:12] <Judy-VHL> 12No, no, no. I just FEEL that this guy has to be quite attractive in a lot of ways. My opinion, ya know. [23:12] <womanofgod10years-VH> I sure Hope it is the Bbile [23:12] <nega-VHL> 13thanx hope :) I am glad to know that not all americans are politically correct... [23:12] <HostBob> Israel, Bible prophecy, Sue, mostly [23:12] <womanofgod10years-VH> Bible...My fingers are not as fast as my Brain. [23:12] <Levi-VHL> 5I can not think of ever a time where the culture of any society would call what truly is evil ---good ... and the evil good [23:12] <hope-VHL> 3remember I asked you BOB, possiblities.......Prodi.....who ELSE??????? ;) [23:12] <Judy-VHL> 12Prodi IS good looking, then? [23:12] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Judy I think so too I think he will be nice to look upon [23:13] <Judy-VHL> 12I've not seen him. [23:13] <nega-VHL> 13whois the PRODI guy, anyway? I am quite slow tonight... [23:13] <Levi-VHL> 5exscuse me and the good evil [23:13] <Judy-VHL> 12Yeah, Rose!!!! [23:13] <hope-VHL> 3NO WAY JUDY [23:13] <womanofgod10years-VH> the Pharisees called Evil Good and Good Evil. [23:13] <hope-VHL> 3He is the Head of the EU, right BOB [23:13] <HostBob> I don't know, Hope - honestly, I don't spend much mental effort on that, speculating on the antichrist's identity [23:13] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I think that is one way he will decieve [23:13] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7EU? [23:13] <womanofgod10years-VH> what is EU [23:13] <hope-VHL> 3European Union? [23:13] <Judy-VHL> 12RINGO STARR? [23:13] <hope-VHL> 3BOB HELP [23:13] <HostBob> Prodi is the head of the European Union, yes [23:13] <Judy-VHL> 12LOL [23:13] <hope-VHL> 3HELPPPPPPPP? [23:13] <Judy-VHL> 12At Hope [23:13] <hope-VHL> 3THANK YOU [23:14] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Oh I can think of a few!!! LOL:-) [23:14] <womanofgod10years-VH> well we know it is not Sony Bonno [23:14] <hope-VHL> 3whewwwww [23:14] <HostBob> and when I first saw a picture of him, my thought was "a stern faced man" [23:14] <nega-VHL> 13Gee, I am out of date with the news... [23:14] <rosesharon-VHL> 6He's gone [23:14] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7What about the dude in Austria? [23:14] <hope-VHL> 3but Prodi, is on his way out [23:14] <womanofgod10years-VH> Wow has anyone read "Left Behind" ? [23:14] <sue-VHL> ok who is Prodi [23:14] <nega-VHL> 13whats stern faced? [23:14] <hope-VHL> 3go on JUDY [23:14] <Judy-VHL> 12Yes, all of them [23:15] <sue-VHL> I've read them all [23:15] <rosesharon-VHL> 6reading it now [23:15] <hope-VHL> 3tough looking [23:15] <HostBob> Romani Prodi - head of the European Union [23:15] <sue-VHL> tks [23:15] <nega-VHL> 13is a face like Bob's? [23:15] <Judy-VHL> 12Ok, here are some other possibilities......... [23:15] <nega-VHL> 13LOL [23:15] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Nega! LOL [23:15] <womanofgod10years-VH> how about this Prodi??? he sure sounds familar [23:15] <hope-VHL> 3LOL LOL [23:15] <Judy-VHL> 12Pat Paulsen [23:15] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7:-) [23:15] <HostBob> "In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. [23:15] <HostBob> 24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. [23:15] <HostBob> 25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power. [23:15] <hope-VHL> 3NOT BOB [23:15] <Levi-VHL> 5that is true woman .. but to what people would like to think of themselves as educated and intellectualized we in our day have seemingly taken it to the extreme [23:15] <hope-VHL> 3;) [23:15] <nega-VHL> 13I knew I had heard this name before... [23:15] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Pat Paulsen is dead [23:15] <HostBob> Daniel 8:23-25 [23:16] <hope-VHL> 3PRINCE CHARLES OF WHALES [23:16] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh [23:16] <HostBob> so, Judy, it doesn't say "hunk" but "stern-faced" :) [23:16] <Judy-VHL> 12It is WALES [23:16] <Judy-VHL> 12Ok, ok [23:16] <hope-VHL> 3LOL BOB [23:16] <nega-VHL> 13hes is ugky hope! [23:16] <Judy-VHL> 12Beat me up! [23:16] <HostBob> :) just messin with ya :) [23:16] <womanofgod10years-VH> When He Raises Someone from the Dead? [23:16] <nega-VHL> 13ugly [23:16] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Bob: Question [23:16] <nega-VHL> 13whats hunk? [23:16] <hope-VHL> 3oh ok teacher LOL wales [23:16] <HostBob> yes Eagle? [23:16] <Judy-VHL> 12good lookin' dude [23:16] <nega-VHL> 13anyway, Mrs. Bob wont like those talking LOL [23:17] <HostBob> yeah :) [23:17] <sue-VHL> Indwelling comes out tomorrow [23:17] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Didn't those verses come close to describing Hitler? [23:17] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I ll stand with you judy we can be both beat with a wet noodle [23:17] <hope-VHL> 3CUTE Good looking [23:17] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Is it possible our prayers postponed the "end"? [23:17] <womanofgod10years-VH> as long as you know jesus [23:17] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7(just theological thinking) [23:17] <hope-VHL> 3YOU GOT IT EAGLE [23:17] <Judy-VHL> 12Sue, I have had excerpts of first chapter emailed to me!!!! [23:17] <nega-VHL> 13I dont think so Eagle... [23:17] <sue-VHL> yeah me too [23:18] <womanofgod10years-VH> I believe Our Prayers are heard..God Knows who His People Are. [23:18] <sue-VHL> can't wait! [23:18] <HostBob> Interesting thought, Eagle... but Hitler may not have qualified -seemed more like a "trial run" of Satan to me [23:18] <Judy-VHL> 12Me either. [23:18] <jim-VHL> has anyone read or heard of a book called the sign by robert van Kampen? [23:18] <hope-VHL> 3NO, I don't think our prayers postponed anything........God is in Control [23:18] <Judy-VHL> 12Have you read the teens versions? [23:18] <womanofgod10years-VH> Hitler Times 3.... [23:18] <nega-VHL> 13no jirn [23:18] <sue-VHL> no [23:18] <HostBob> and providentially, the means to get the Jews back to their land [23:18] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Yeah. That is why I wondered if our prayers stopped it from being full scaled. There is a new theory about the "mark: [23:18] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I think Hitler was a in sight as to what to expect in a sorta way [23:18] <Judy-VHL> 12I have all of them. They are good, too. [23:19] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7That's true, Bob [23:19] <hope-VHL> 3I believe when the antichrist finally "unmasks" himself, it will literally be HITLER himself! [23:19] <womanofgod10years-VH> Hitler was Satans Hand Puppet [23:19] <HostBob> Our prayers, do, however, accelerate the coming of the Lord - did you know that? [23:19] <Judy-VHL> 12NO, I didn't [23:19] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7yup! I am selfish sometimes and want to pray for Him to wait. [23:19] <Judy-VHL> 12explain [23:19] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7:-( [23:19] <nega-VHL> 13at the age of 200 hope? ;) [23:19] <HostBob> Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. [23:19] <hope-VHL> 3scripture says that the Jewish people will RECOGNIZE HIM [23:19] humble_heart-VHL [~humble_heart-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [23:19] <sue-VHL> and the work of Lord to save our family [23:20] <HostBob> what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, [23:20] <hope-VHL> 3WAIT???? Eagle......we want Him to come quickly!!! [23:20] <Judy-VHL> 12On the other hand, not all of my family is saved. Now that scares me. [23:20] <HostBob> another translation [23:20] <Levi-VHL> 5Even so Lord Jesus come [23:20] <HostBob> Welcome, Humble! [23:20] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7The only reason I would ask Y'shua to wait is to see more people saved. [23:20] <nega-VHL> 13hi humble! [23:20] <HostBob> Yes, we are to pray that He will soon accomplish the things He has promised [23:20] <humble_heart-VHL> hello all... [23:20] <womanofgod10years-VH> Hello Humble [23:20] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hi Humble [23:20] <Judy-VHL> 12Hey Humble, sorry, I took your color. [23:20] <DonB-VHL> hi humble [23:20] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Judy I understand that [23:20] <HostBob> not from our perspectives, but His [23:20] <Judy-VHL> 12I can change it though. [23:21] <humble_heart-VHL> thats OK Judy [23:21] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7yes [23:21] <sue-VHL> sometimes I feel I'm being selfish to want the Lord to come back now because there are so many who are still lost [23:21] <Levi-VHL> 5Like Abraham Eagle [23:21] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7me too, Sue [23:21] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Abraham Eagle? [23:21] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Me too [23:21] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7:-) [23:21] <HostBob> He wants people who see the dire situation of the world, and will mourn with Him, and cry out to Him to put an end to it [23:22] <Judy-VHL> 125NO HUMBLE, I'm used to seeing you in Blue. Go right ahead. [23:22] <rosesharon-VHL> 6What happens to the people that fall away from him [23:22] <womanofgod10years-VH> God sent His Wor dto heal us and Deliver us from Our Destruction [23:22] <DonB-VHL> thank you for sharing that Bob [23:22] <HostBob> You're welcome, Don [23:23] <humble_heart-VHL> 12Thanks Judy.....you didn't have to change colors for me [23:23] <hope-VHL> 3brb [23:23] EZGuest374 [~EZGuest@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [23:23] <Judy-VHL> 54But I love ya [23:23] EZGuest374 [~EZGuest@proxy3.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Lost Connection 233) [23:23] <Levi-VHL> 5Abraham asked the Lord to spare Sodom and Gomorah starting at 50? ..and kept asking for it's sparing down to I think it was 5 [23:23] <womanofgod10years-VH> 47for the Olive Groves [23:23] <HostBob> Look at Ezekiel 9..... [23:23] <EagleofGod-VHL> 7Oh, I get it, Levi! LOL Duh [23:24] <HostBob> In the midst of a depraved society.... [23:24] <HostBob> The Lord "marked" some people (for good)... [23:24] <HostBob> Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side and said to him, "Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it." [23:24] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Bob can you answer my question ........... ( poor Bob) What happens to the people who fell away from the Lord [23:24] <Levi-VHL> 5Duh is my middle name...Ha. [23:24] <HostBob> Those are the kind of people He is looking for today [23:25] <HostBob> When, Rose? [23:25] <nega-VHL> 13not only your Judy Duh! [23:25] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Bob, thought you where out of here? [23:25] <HostBob> No, TIm [23:25] <Judy-VHL> 4Right, Nega [23:25] <rosesharon-VHL> 6When a christian walks away from following the Lord [23:25] <hope-VHL> 3I believe you can't lose your salvation, so if anyone turns from God, they weren't HIS to begin with [23:25] <nega-VHL> 13man, I am crazy or what? [23:26] <nega-VHL> 13I write and I see myself as Levi [23:26] <Judy-VHL> 4I don't know, Hope. I think they could be His. [23:26] <nega-VHL> 13and Judy as jim!!! [23:26] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7there have been several times in my life that I thought I walked away from Jesus......But He never walked away from me. [23:26] <Judy-VHL> 4We are fleshly and disobedient. [23:26] <hope-VHL> 3In the end, those that turn and fall away, will take the mark of the beast.......they couldn't be HIS [23:26] <Judy-VHL> 4We have been washed clean. [23:26] <nega-VHL> 13I am serious! [23:26] sunny-VHL [~sunny-VHL@proxy12.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (sunny-VHL has left the room) [23:27] <Judy-VHL> 4What nega? Don't know what you are saying. [23:27] <Judy-VHL> 4Sorry [23:27] <EagleofGod-VHL> 75What Nega? [23:27] <HostBob> Here is the way I see it - regardless of whether you believe in "eternal security" or not.... if a person who professed is living an ungodly life, whether or not he was once saved is irrelevant - the Scriptures clearly state that we should not be deceived - unless they repent, they are in danger of God's wrath [23:27] <nega-VHL> 13when I write I see myself as Levi! [23:27] <Levi-VHL> 5Bob remember in Genesis the Lord already grieved that he had made us because the thoughts and imaginations of our hearts were only evil continually [23:27] <nega-VHL> 13what the heck? [23:27] <humble_heart-VHL> 12AMEN!!!! womanofgod............ [23:27] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4roses, The Lord is merciful [23:27] <HostBob> Yes, Levi [23:27] <Judy-VHL> 4But Bob, aren't we getting into works there? [23:27] <rain-VHL> 10I agree woman I have done the same and He has always kept ahold of me:-) [23:28] <Judy-VHL> 4We all do wrong. [23:28] <Levi-VHL> 5But He pursued us because God is Love [23:28] <nega-VHL> 13who just spoke [23:28] <hope-VHL> 3No, JUDY, Jesus said IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WILL KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS [23:28] <HostBob> no, Judy - I'm not talking about sinning - we all do - it's when person is living an unrepentant lifestyle [23:28] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I hope his mercy will fall on my fallen lost ones before he comes [23:28] <nega-VHL> 13who saif "I agree woman" appeared to me as me (I am nega!!) [23:28] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5But if we are dependent on works, why did Y'shua have to die for us? [23:28] <Judy-VHL> 4Sometimes, we do let problems get the best of us and instead of trusting, we do make bad choices. [23:28] <DonB-VHL> 14bob....if you know of any other scripture that covers the topic hastening the day of the Lord, could you let me know? [23:28] <Judy-VHL> 4THEN WHAT IS GRACE??????????? [23:28] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Levi were does it say that in Gen? [23:29] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Yeah, Judy. [23:29] <rain-VHL> 10Bob I think you are right ... the Bible speaks of the broad way and the narrow gate [23:29] <HostBob> there are may warnings about that - it's not works at all - but those who are truly saved by grace will manifest it [23:29] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Grace I Beleive is under the Blood of jesus [23:29] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4But it boils down to Grace and mercy [23:29] <hope-VHL> 3nega, something is wrong with yours [23:29] <nega-VHL> 13II am getting out of here... [23:29] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5The Blood of Jesus was shed for our sins. [23:29] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5oooops [23:29] <Judy-VHL> 4Ok, Bob, didn't see your response. [23:29] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5that is darker than I meant [23:29] <nega-VHL> 13I will come back, though [23:29] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Eagle, that is a good question [23:30] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5:-) good Nega! [23:30] <nega-VHL> 13in some min! [23:30] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4learning here [23:30] nega-VHL [~nega-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (nega-VHL has left the room) [23:30] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Nega you are leaving us [23:30] <HostBob> Yes, it's all about His grace and mercy, of course - there is nothing we can do to merit salvation [23:30] <hope-VHL> 3SO WHAT DO YOU THINK, oh, I'll get saved and then live like HELL, that is NOT salvation.......when we get saved we strive to be like CHRIST [23:30] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Remember God is his son and his son is God [23:30] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Amen,Bob [23:30] <EagleofGod-VHL> 55It doesn't me we take salvation for granted, hope [23:31] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7never take out salvation for Granted... [23:31] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5It means His love and mercy motivates us onward to be like Him! [23:31] Rexly-VHL [~Rexly-VHL@proxy13.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [23:31] <Judy-VHL> 4No, but Hope you name me one person who kept the Law (Commandments) all of them, outside of Jesus???? [23:31] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7He Keeps Knocking [23:31] sfcwoodret-VHL [~sfcwoodret-VHL@proxy11.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (sfcwoodret-VHL has left the room) [23:31] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I am concerned for my daughter I pray the Lord will bring her down to her knees before he comes back [23:31] <hope-VHL> 3NO ONE DID [23:31] <rain-VHL> 10yes we need to show the fruits of our salvation [23:31] <HostBob> No Judy, we are not saying that at al [23:31] <HostBob> all [23:31] nega-VHL [~nega-VHL@proxy3.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [23:31] <Judy-VHL> 4Right [23:31] <nega-VHL> 13hi again [23:31] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7that why God Sent jesus [23:31] <Judy-VHL> 4I don't get it then. [23:31] <Judy-VHL> 4Honestly. [23:31] <nega-VHL> 13yeah, thats me back! :) [23:31] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5w/b Nega! [23:31] <Judy-VHL> 4This issue has always confused me [23:31] <rain-VHL> 10we can't keep the commandements we are sinners [23:31] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7w/b [23:32] <nega-VHL> 13I still dont get what happened [23:32] <HostBob> For example: [23:32] <Judy-VHL> 4Right, rain [23:32] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Ok I asked a simple ( or so I thought) question ......... What is happening now [23:32] <HostBob> We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [23:32] <rain-VHL> 10Amen Bob [23:32] <rain-VHL> 10WE don't just get saved and vegetate [23:32] <HostBob> or this: [23:32] <hope-VHL> 3remember the woman they were going to stone for commiting adultery...........let him who has no sin etc.....then He told the woman, GO AND SIN NO MORE......do you think this woman would have gone to commit adultery again????? [23:32] <HostBob> If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him. (1 John 2:29 NASB) [23:32] baddogmountain [~baddogmountain@proxy11.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [23:32] <sue-VHL> Ok Bob then in this situation a person would be lost for eternity: excepted the Lord as savior as a young child, walked away from the Lord for the teenage years, but all the time new I was wrong and needed to return to the Lord, and died suddenly [23:32] <rain-VHL> 10we become new creations [23:32] <Judy-VHL> 4See? That confuses me. I see grace and works mixed there. [23:32] Cyccie-VHL [~Cyccie-VHL@proxy4.talkcity.com] has quit IRC (Cyccie-VHL has left the room) [23:33] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7New Creation.... [23:33] <Judy-VHL> 4Let me be explicit here Ok? [23:33] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7OK [23:33] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4ok, Judy go ahead [23:33] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5listening [23:33] <Judy-VHL> 4I cannot turn away anyone at the restaurant who is hungry [23:34] <hope-VHL> 3you will ALWAYS have the sense that you are doing wrong Sue......even when you turned from HIM, you KNEW it was wrong [23:34] <Judy-VHL> 4I am very compassionate [23:34] <HostBob> No, Judy - it's not works at all - it's all grace... but grace is not a license - we all sin, yes - but if we continue to willfully, habitually practice sin with no regard for the Lord, we are have not experienced His grace [23:34] <Judy-VHL> 4I get excited about Jesus and thirst and hunger for Him [23:34] <Judy-VHL> 4I smoke cigarettes [23:34] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4DON"T FORGET GUYS & Gals [23:34] <Judy-VHL> 4I have a drink once in awhile [23:34] <Judy-VHL> 4Now what? [23:34] <rain-VHL> 10He knows you do Judy [23:35] <HostBob> So what? Cigarattes is no worse than the double cheeseburgers I may eat [23:35] <hope-VHL> 3If we don't have the urge or wanting to do good things, AFTER we have accepted Him, if we don't have that, then I would question the salvation [23:35] <Judy-VHL> 4I know He knows, but He doesnt want me to, so what now? [23:35] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7He knows that You Love Him [23:35] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4the holy spirit convicts us of our sins, if we are true in CHrist we will ask for forgivness and mercy then get up and try again and again [23:35] <hope-VHL> 3LOL that's right BOB [23:35] <HostBob> We should not put human standards on ourselves [23:35] <hope-VHL> 3ONE clogs the artery, one causes cancer LOL [23:35] <rain-VHL> 10ask Him for the strength to give them up [23:35] <nega-VHL> 13Amen Bob [23:35] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4don't forget also the body is a temple it is not ours anymore it was bought with a price [23:35] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5I heard a very wise sayign once. "God is a lot easier to please than most peole are" [23:36] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Judy You do like me and pray about it all daily [23:36] <HostBob> Now, Judy, if you call yourself a Christian, yet you sleep with the neighbor, and refuse to repent - that's different altogether [23:36] <HostBob> for example :) [23:36] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5people, that is [23:36] <rain-VHL> 10God wants us to recognize the wrongs we do ... if we repent He is quick to forgive us - if we are His [23:36] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7and Every time I Over eat it is sin. [23:36] <rudy-VHL> 3If you depend on anything other than Jesus for salvation you are not reading your Bible correctly. [23:36] <Judy-VHL> 4But see Rain, I don't want to give them up. Now what happens. Seriously. [23:36] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Nothing But the Blood of jesus. [23:36] <HostBob> Amen, Rudy [23:36] <hope-VHL> 3the ONLY reason He is easier to please Eagle, is because when He sees us, He sees the BLOOD OF CHRIST [23:37] <HostBob> Yes, Hope [23:37] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5"The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases, His mercies never come to an end. They are new EVERY morning. Great is Thy faithfulness, Oh God!" [23:37] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4then you go and see the LOrd a little sooner ,maybe depends on what Gods Grace is for you... [23:37] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Many of us have Habits...Soemof Us are very Comforatble with Them [23:37] <HostBob> Amen, Eagle! [23:37] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4he may keep you from having cancer too [23:37] <nega-VHL> 13Judy, if you think what you are doing is wrong, then ask God to give you the will to give them up [23:37] <Judy-VHL> 4I am not depending on anything but Him, but when people say, but what about the carnal christian, I get confused. I think that they are going to heaven, too. [23:37] <HostBob> And I more than anyone am glad that His mercies and patiences are inexhaustible, for those who are remorseful and repentant [23:38] <sue-VHL> Judy I believe that God sees his kids as clean, white as snow because of the blood of Christ, but wants to help us still to come closer to Him [23:38] <HostBob> Judy, the [23:38] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Amen Sue [23:38] <HostBob> the "carnal Christian" is not in the Bible - that's an invention [23:38] <rudy-VHL> 3To him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not it is sin. [23:38] <Judy-VHL> 4Amen Sue [23:38] <Judy-VHL> 4It is? [23:38] <Judy-VHL> 4The Baptist's do talk of it. [23:38] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I have a story I'd like to tell...can everyone focus on this I think it would help Judy and everyone else too [23:38] <HostBob> not that I know of [23:38] <nega-VHL> 13never heard of carnal Christian either [23:38] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5But even Paul said that which he wished not to do, he did. And that which he wished to do He did not. [23:38] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7The Blood of jesus Washes us Whiter than Snow. [23:39] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Go Honoring [23:39] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Go.. [23:39] <HostBob> Yes, Eagle, we all struggle with temptations of various sorts [23:39] <HostBob> and sometimes we fail [23:39] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5But we are still Y'shua's! [23:39] <HostBob> but when we do, we repent, confess, and keep on walking with the Lord [23:39] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4Ok, my paster told us yesterday of a guy who was strung out on cocain, harroine, drank like a fish, smoked cigs etc [23:39] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Hey Judy God is done with us yet Praise God [23:40] <hope-VHL> 3That's it Bob, in order to have a continual relationship with God [23:40] <rosesharon-VHL> 6isn't sorry [23:40] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Sounds like my Husband except the Harorine [23:40] <Judy-VHL> 4I wondered where you were coming from, Rose. LOL [23:40] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4his marrage was gone, his job was gone, then about ten yrs later he turned to the lord [23:40] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I smoke too and drink pots of coffee [23:41] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Praise God [23:41] <hope-VHL> 3guilty of coffee! [23:41] <Judy-VHL> 4Misery loves company Rose, LOL [23:41] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7I Over Eat and have a drink once in a while. [23:41] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4the paster said he is off everything and cold turkey to boot. has two larg thriving companies [23:41] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7I guess it does. [23:41] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I love you sister [23:41] <nega-VHL> 13chocahoolic... [23:41] <HostBob> Yes, Honoring - the Lord can salvage ANYONE [23:41] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5o/ [23:41] <hope-VHL> 3who's the PRIEST HERE LOL [23:41] <HostBob> that's the power of the Lord [23:41] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4marrage is wonderful he is a teacher also for a bible class [23:41] <Judy-VHL> 4This sounds like confession with us hiding behind screen names......Oh darn it, I'm really Judy. [23:42] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5(Praise Adonai!) [23:42] <rosesharon-VHL> 6God is good to all who love him [23:42] <nega-VHL> 13LOL Judy! [23:42] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7I guess i look at the Worst Sin that I used to commit.\ [23:42] <sue-VHL> and I'm really Sue LOL [23:42] <nega-VHL> 13but God KNOWS [23:42] <rain-VHL> 10I can attest to that, hugs, Judy [23:42] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I'm really Sandy or Sandra (formal Name) [23:42] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4the moral to the story is the Holy spirit will convict us and the grace and mercy of the Lord will turn our wicked ways so that we want nothing but him and to be like Jesus [23:42] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7I am Roxanna [23:42] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Oh dear.....do we hafta tell? [23:42] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Amen, Honoring! [23:43] <nega-VHL> 13now we gotta confess our names? [23:43] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4everyone changes in their own time, with Gods plan [23:43] <rosesharon-VHL> 6I pray I will be more like Jesus everyday and I know one day I will [23:43] <hope-VHL> 3THAT's IT HONORING, if we don't feel the HOLY Spirit convicting us, then it is questionable!!! [23:43] <sue-VHL> with Gods HELP [23:43] baddogmountain [~baddogmountain@proxy11.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [23:43] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Bob? [23:43] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Thats like when I first came back to Jesus and My Pastor said i had to name all my sins... [23:43] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5eeek! WOman! [23:43] <Judy-VHL> 4To whom? [23:43] <hope-VHL> 3WHAT???? woman? [23:43] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I am 100% differant than I was just 3 months ago [23:44] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7and I asked Her , Well Wonder if I dont Know their Names... [23:44] <nega-VHL> 13true guilty comes form sin [23:44] <sue-VHL> Iprobably couldn't name them all! [23:44] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4like a whole differant person, guess what I am, through the holy spirit [23:44] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5LOL Sue! [23:44] <rosesharon-VHL> 6My list was a mile long and then it got all burned up and tossed in the wind [23:44] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Thats Right...But God Knew Everyone. [23:44] <nega-VHL> 13theres a good book "True and False Culpability", by Paul Tournier [23:44] <hope-VHL> 3that pastor has GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!1 [23:44] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Adn i Pleaded the Blood of Jesus Over Every one. [23:44] <Judy-VHL> 4Yeah, playing God there. [23:45] <nega-VHL> 13I think thats the title in English (original: "Vraie et False Culpabilité") [23:45] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4now my friend of 10 yrs, won't talk to me over the computer because he knows he is sinning and he doesen't want to be convicted of it through our conversations [23:45] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7I think she just wanted to know How Dirty i Was. [23:45] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5<---wanna share something [23:45] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I talk about how great God is, and people willingly living in sin, will flea like in Daniel [23:45] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7But the Blood of Jesus Washes Whiter than snow. [23:46] <Judy-VHL> 4Well, Bob, do you see how one could be confused? Churches say, Come as you are.......until you get in and it's something that you have to live up to. [23:46] <HostBob> Go for it, Eagle [23:46] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Go Eagle [23:46] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Go Eagle [23:46] <Judy-VHL> 4I've been fighting that all my life. [23:46] <rain-VHL> 10woman did she want this said just to her or in a public airing? [23:46] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Ya'll remember when we were talking about Trials, and Tribulation? [23:46] <nega-VHL> 13yes Judy. Read this book. It s very good!! [23:46] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7at the Altar. [23:46] <Judy-VHL> 4I want a true, personal, relationship with Jesus. HE will change the things HE thinks are necessary. [23:46] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5I wanted to share a dream/vision I had with you, if I may? [23:47] <rosesharon-VHL> 6confess your sins one to another? [23:47] <rain-VHL> 10please do eagle [23:47] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Amen... [23:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4< go ahead [23:47] <rosesharon-VHL> 6go Eagle [23:47] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7I want to hear. [23:47] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I do too in a while [23:47] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5I found myself before the Throne of God, on my knees [23:47] <hope-VHL> 3Yeah, Judy, but don't kid yourself, why would Jesus want you to smoke, if YOU know that it is bad for you? [23:47] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Y'shua was at my right, standing beside me [23:47] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7But so is Breathing the Air i Live in.. [23:48] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I'm picturing this in my mind [23:48] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5The Glory, and magnificence there was overwhelming [23:48] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4go ahead eagle [23:48] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5There was no description capable of doing it justice [23:48] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Y'shua said to me [23:48] <Judy-VHL> 4That's why I don't ask His help. I'm afraid that He will help me. [23:48] <hope-VHL> 3"He will change the things HE thinks are necessary".........woman....we have NO choice but to breath the air [23:48] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5"(my name), was it worth it?" [23:49] <hope-VHL> 3ASK HIM JUDY!!!!!! HE can take away the urge! [23:49] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5"Was all the scars worth it? Was the rejection worth it?" [23:49] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5"Was all the pain worth it? Was I worth it?" [23:49] <HostBob> like I said before, we put cigarettes in a different category than double cheeseburgers and fries - neither are healthy if done regularly - we set our own standards and look down on others [23:49] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4go ahead Eagle [23:49] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5I cried and said "Yes, Lord! You have always been worth it!" [23:50] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Eagle did yous ay anything??? [23:50] <Levi-VHL> 5very good answer Bob [23:50] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Praise God [23:50] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Then, I woke up. And I was MAD! [23:50] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Because this was SO REAL! And, I mean, [23:50] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Why [23:50] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5I had felt the presence of God, and returned to earth? [23:50] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Bummer. Nothing compares...Nothing [23:51] <rosesharon-VHL> 6A big let down huh [23:51] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Amen...i have Been there. [23:51] <hope-VHL> 3Hey, I don't think a person that smokes is a NON Christian.......my point is, that it is PROVEN that they cause CANCER......YEAH, we'll die when God calls us, BUT I don't want to suffer for YEARS with Cancer if it's not His timing [23:51] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Yes! [23:51] <Levi-VHL> 5We understand Hope [23:51] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5To know He knew all along what I was going through,but also, I know HE is the prize [23:51] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Yes Hope [23:51] <hope-VHL> 3My dad's a doctor......I've seen people die from it........ [23:52] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Anyway, I was hoping that would encourage someone [23:52] <rain-VHL> 10But here is your loving sacrifice Eagle ... you came back and can tell us and others about this [23:52] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7I have seen many die from it... [23:52] <humble_heart-VHL> 12AMEN!!!!!!!! Eagle......... [23:52] incense11 [~incense1@proxy15.talkcity.com] has joined #VHL-Prophecy [23:52] <sue-VHL> one would never know if they would have gotten a cancer, say lung cancer, even if they never smoked, it does happen to non smokers as well [23:52] <nega-VHL> 13It sure does Eagle! [23:52] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Thank you Rain. [23:52] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4It did Eagle, it helped me. thank you and God Bless you [23:52] <Judy-VHL> 4A lot of things cause cancer nowadays. Yes, smoking, of course, but the steroids in the meat you eat, your water, etc. [23:52] <HostBob> Yes, we should all aspire to live the same kind of life Jesus did - very few of us even begin to approach it - but that should be our goal and desire [23:52] <HostBob> Welcome, Incense :) [23:52] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Thanks for telling us Eagle.....even though we were not very patient [23:52] <rosesharon-VHL> 6It did me thank you Eagle becaus e I have been in the desert for a little while He is worth it all [23:53] <HostBob> Thanks for sharing, Eagle :) [23:53] <incense11> thanks Bob.. [23:53] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5He is worth it. ANd, ya know, the trials REALLY started after that vision/dream! LOL [23:53] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7He is the Same God In the Dessert ad he is In the Mountian [23:53] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4<...I wanna tell all of you a short story about my meeting Jesus [23:53] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5:-) [23:53] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Listening [23:53] <rain-VHL> 10me, too;-) [23:53] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4about a year ago [23:53] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7The Closer I Get to God..the Harder the Walk is. [23:53] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I was driving... [23:54] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I saw a man up ahead walking [23:54] <rosesharon-VHL> 6LOL I understand .......... I had a vision of the Lord my self and the only thing he said was follow me ............ I will follow no matter where he might lead [23:54] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7I want to Hear [23:54] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4as we have seen Jesus in statues, with a beard and long hair [23:55] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4waring a white robe with a red [23:55] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4long scarff around his shoulder [23:55] <Levi-VHL> 5Judy ....You said that's why I don't ask for His help ...I'm afraid He will help me ...Why wouldn't you want Him to. Is it 'cause you like cigs.. so much or are you really thinking that if it doesn't work this time through prayer ...then what do I do frame of mind? [23:55] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4tall about 6 ft I'd say med build... [23:56] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4walking along the road [23:56] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I saw him immidiatly [23:56] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4drove very fast to get a closer look [23:57] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I drove past [23:57] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4him and then I thought OH MY G-D [23:57] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7And..... [23:57] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4truned back [23:57] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4and looked in my mirrors and he was gone [23:57] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4I spent an hour in that area looking for this person [23:58] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4dressed like Jesus , no ware to be found, [23:58] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5WOW! [23:58] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7God has Spoken to me Audible . And Jesus Came to me 10 years ago when i was in the Hospital ICU [23:58] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4what do you think was it him, some months later I was saved and came back to christ [23:58] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4never have I seen this person again or anyone dressed like him [23:58] <HostBob> Thanks for sharing, Honoring [23:59] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Isn't it neat we are talking about Y'shua and not "angels"? :-) [23:59] <HostBob> I need to run, everyone. Please keep on chatting as long as you like :) [23:59] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Amen Eagle [23:59] <HostBob> Yes, Eagle :) [23:59] <nega-VHL> 13indeed Eagle [23:59] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7Yes...I collect Angels i dont Worship them [23:59] <Judy-VHL> 4Bye Bob, have a good week [23:59] <EagleofGod-VHL> 5Have a good night Bob! Thanks! [23:59] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4sure Bob, I believe it was a vision of some kind [00:00] <sue-VHL> nite Bob [00:00] <womanofgod10years-VH> 7I need to amke a phone call I will be right back [00:00] <humble_heart-VHL> 12Good Night Bob........GOD BLESS [00:00] <incense11> Night Bob [00:00] <rosesharon-VHL> 6Good night Bob and may the Lord Bless you [00:00] <HonoringGod-VHL> 4God Bless Bob, take care [00:00] <rain-VHL> 10God Bless you Bob - it's always such a joy !!! [00:00] <nega-VHL> 13bye Bob! hope see you next Mon! [00:00] <HostBob> Thanks, everyone, for a great night of chatting! You're a super group of people :) [00:00] <Levi-VHL> 5What a pace huh Bob [00:00] <jim-VHL> nice chating with you bob this is my first chat session ever [00:00] <rudy-VHL> 3Blessings Bob [00:00] <sue-VHL> tomorrow nite there is a chat room with Jerry Jenkins, author of Left Behind [00:00] <nega-VHL> 13and dont forget to ask Stan for an extra for this tough evening! LOL [00:00] womanofgod10years-VH [~womanofgod10years-VH@proxy16.talkcity.com] has left #VHL-Prophecy [00:00] <Levi-VHL> 5Where [00:00] <Judy-VHL> 4Where at Sue? *** Log file closed: 5/23/00 12:00:58 AM
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