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[19:30] <light2-VHL> Yes Tim and sometimes like Stalin, they look at you for years, talk about no peace

[19:30] <HostBob> Welcome Daniel!

[19:31] <_stTimothy-VHL> on another subject, (hi Daniel) I heard last night on a local public station on TV that some very infulential people

[19:31] <HostBob> How is everyone tonight?

[19:31] <light2-VHL> Dan and Tim have you both been to prophecy chat before?

[19:31] <Daniel-VHL> never been in the room, actually never chatted

[19:32] <HostBob> We're glad you joined us tonight! We have some interesting discussions!

[19:32] <_stTimothy-VHL> believe that within the next 10 years their will be a major conflict involving Nucular and Bio/chem

[19:32] <light2-VHL> Welcome and I hope you enjoy the chat tonight

[19:32] <HostBob> Yes, Timothy?

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[19:33] <_stTimothy-VHL> Yes, last week I was honoring God, I am this week too, but still struggling with the flesh

[19:33] <light2-VHL> I heard that the kartume regime has used biochemical on the sudanese already

[19:33] <HostBob> That's a struggle we'll all have until we move on to our reward

[19:33] <HostBob> Welcome, Gran!

[19:33] <HostBob> I got the note you left at my website Gran - thank you :)

[19:34] <gran-VHL> Thanks..here to listen for awhile..you're welcome Bob, am enjoying very much

[19:34] <light2-VHL> Bob have you heard from Stan lately?

[19:35] <HostBob> Timothy, some have speculated that the plagues from the "pale horse" in Rev 6 may be bio-genetic experiments gone bad

[19:35] <HostBob> yes, Light, we chatted today

[19:35] <light2-VHL> I was worried when I read they bomb Galilee,

[19:35] <_stTimothy-VHL> well I think the time is close at hand

[19:36] <light2-VHL> I know that is far from Jerusalem , but I feel like crying when I think of it being bombed

[19:36] <_stTimothy-VHL> I just wonder which theory is correct, the rapture first, then the 7 year tribulation or the other way around?

[19:36] <light2-VHL> Yes and Satan is working overtime to trip us up

[19:36] <HostBob> Yes - the residents of of Kiryat Shmona are understandably very upset - feeling that the government of Israel is not doing enough to protect them

[19:37] <HostBob> yes

[19:37] <HostBob> Good question, Timothy, and one that we should all look into, right?

[19:37] <HostBob> some people have strong positions one way or the other

[19:38] <light2-VHL> I think the only thing that really matters at this point is to stay close to Christ and on fire for him, so we will be ready for anything that may come

[19:38] <_stTimothy-VHL> Bob, on your web site you mentioned somthing about a certain time frame of a year and christ return I thought, on your audio

[19:38] <_stTimothy-VHL> I can't remember exactly what it was

[19:38] <HostBob> No, I don't set dates

[19:39] <HostBob> Amen, Light

[19:39] <light2-VHL> We do not know in what way our death may glorify God

[19:39] <gran-VHL> And amen again!

[19:39] <HostBob> Staying close to Him, integrating His word and teaching into our lives, walking in the truth

[19:39] <_stTimothy-VHL> not dates, but something about time frames something about, the end times and you said "could this mean" ?

[19:40] <light2-VHL> I hate it when I sin and lose fellowship even for a day

[19:40] <HostBob> Yes, in speaking of the "two days" that Hosea said that Israel would be estranged, I think that could be a broad outline for 2000 years

[19:41] <HostBob> but not that year 2000 means anything necessarily

[19:41] <_stTimothy-VHL> I see

[19:41] <HostBob> Yes, Light, I know what you mean - not a fun way to live, huh?

[19:42] <_stTimothy-VHL> the actual millinum begins this comming January 2001, right?

[19:42] <light2-VHL> Bob I was thinking today when I was listening to John Hagee preach, and it was on Revelations, could there be a way that we are in the trib and don't realize it yet

[19:42] <light2-VHL> Because I wonder if we have not already lost 1/3 of the trees

[19:43] <light2-VHL> And we know all water is already severely poluted

[19:43] <_stTimothy-VHL> light, good point

[19:43] <HostBob> Timothy, 2000 years from Jesus birth was 1996 or 1997

[19:43] <Daniel-VHL> when the trib comes you will know it ...:-O

[19:43] <light2-VHL> Well I know just in one small circumstance, haiti use to have nothing but trees and it has been stripped

[19:44] <_stTimothy-VHL> Bob, I'm Tim I was honor last monday

[19:44] <light2-VHL> Maybe not Dan, there have already also been 2 world wars

[19:44] <HostBob> I don't know, Light - I believe tthat when the events of Revelation start to happen, it will be much more pronounced and catestrophic

[19:44] <_stTimothy-VHL> Timothy sounds too formal,LOL

[19:44] <light2-VHL> And those were horrible

[19:44] <HostBob> ok Tim :) Are you the Timothy who has contributed to the forums?

[19:44] <light2-VHL> I don't know, it seems like we could be in it and lose sight because, remember what Christ said

[19:44] <HostBob> I know you are the one I have traded emails with :)

[19:45] <_stTimothy-VHL> yes

[19:45] <light2-VHL> That life would continue on the same, till he came

[19:45] <_stTimothy-VHL> thee one

[19:45] <_stTimothy-VHL> LOL

[19:45] <HostBob> :)

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[19:45] <_stTimothy-VHL> 'can you put that into perspective, light?

[19:46] <HostBob> When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away." (Luke 21:9 NIV)

[19:46] <light2-VHL> What do you mean Tim?

[19:46] <HostBob> Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. (Luke 21:10 NIV)

[19:46] <HostBob> There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. (Luke 21:11 NIV)

[19:46] <_stTimothy-VHL> what you said about life continueing on the same till christ comes back

[19:46] <light2-VHL> That has been going on now for centuries though don't you think?

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[19:47] <HostBob> Yes, the wars have

[19:47] <HostBob> Welcoem, Jesse!

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[19:47] <light2-VHL> Yes He said Tim, men would be eating , drinking, giving in marriage, building

[19:47] <HostBob> Hello Jazene!

[19:47] <jazene-VHL> 7:-)Good Evening Bob

[19:47] <light2-VHL> Then the end would come just like in the days of Noah

[19:47] <HostBob> Yes, light, going about their normal everyday affairs, then "sudden destruction"

[19:48] <_stTimothy-VHL> I remember reading that now.

[19:48] <jazene-VHL> 7Good Evening everyone.

[19:48] <HostBob> Good to see you again, Jazene!

[19:48] <HostBob> Here's the good part!! :At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (Luke 21:27 NIV)

[19:49] <_stTimothy-VHL> I wonder from what country the Antichrist will be raised up from?

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[19:49] <HostBob> I don't know Timothy - some have said Europe, some Syria, some Russia, or a variety of other explanations

[19:49] <HostBob> Welcome, Hope!

[19:50] <hope-VHL> Hi Bob! : )

[19:50] <jazene-VHL> 7Can you imagine what it is going to be like when the rapture happens. The destruction that is going to follow is going to be horrible. Almost like a nucular bomb going off.

[19:50] <jazene-VHL> 7He Hope.

[19:50] <jazene-VHL> 7Hey (I mean Hey!!! Hope)

[19:50] <hope-VHL> Hi Jazene, it's nice to see familiar faces again!

[19:51] <HostBob> Yes, Jazene - devastations ot the earth, which the Tahakh (OT) talks about even more than the New Testament

[19:51] <_stTimothy-VHL> In other words, is this person who is the antichrist, born as we are and grow up and recieve the job from Satin? And some couple gave birth to him? Or will he just appear some place out of the blue

[19:52] <HostBob> He'll be a real person, he won't just appear

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[19:52] <HostBob> Another gran? :)

[19:52] <light2-VHL> At his will it says

[19:53] <HostBob> If you want to look at an example of what the Hebrew Scriptures describe as the period of God's judgment on the world, take a look at Isaiah 24

[19:53] <HostBob> parallels some of the things Jesus said

[19:53] <HostBob> Are there 2 Grans or did you get kicked out? :)

[19:54] <HostBob> Did anyone have any trouble getting in to the room tonight?

[19:54] <gran-VHL> This is the first gran...little "g"

[19:54] <jazene-VHL> 75I believe that he will in someway be able to have some sort of mind control and be able to create some sort wonderful picture to those of both christian and non-christian alike if we as christians are not up on the word we also will be fooled by him and his people.

[19:54] <Gran-VHL542> :) Hi Bob I just got in the house and am trying to get my suipper also

[19:55] <HostBob> Ok, so there are 2 of you :)

[19:55] <HostBob> Yes, Jazene, he will be very persuasive

[19:55] <Gran-VHL542> Well Hi other gran I have heard there was one of you around how are you

[19:56] <light2-VHL> Probably like Hitler was persuasive

[19:56] <Gran-VHL542> :) :-*

[19:56] <gran-VHL> wish I could stay, but grandkids baseball..already late and you're just getting warmed up..Bye..God Bless

[19:56] <HostBob> "And by smooth words he will turn to godlessness those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their God will display strength and take action. (Daniel 11:32 NASB)

[19:56] <Gran-VHL542> :) Oh bye gran

[19:56] <HostBob> Bye Gran - read the transcript tomorrow :)

[19:56] <gran-VHL> hope to catch you later.

[19:56] <HostBob> Another translation: With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him. (Daniel 11:32 NIV)

[19:56] <jazene-VHL> 5Hey Gran.

[19:56] <Gran-VHL542> :) Hey jaz and light and all

[19:57] <HostBob> and another: He shall seduce with intrigue those who violate the covenant; but the people who are loyal to their God shall stand firm and take action. (Daniel 11:32 NRSV)

[19:57] <gran-VHL> transcript? wasn't aware of it.

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[19:57] <HostBob> Yes, Stan always posts it on the VHL front page

[19:57] <Gran-VHL542> :) trying to eat and type it is not easy

[19:57] <HostBob> Welcome, Gramma!

[19:57] <gran-VHL> thanks.

[19:57] <light2-VHL> Bob this group that you have a url for on your website, the templemount faithful? How many of them are there?

[19:57] <Gran-VHL542> Hi gramma

[19:57] <Gramma-VHL> Hi everyone. I missed chatting with you last week.

[19:58] <HostBob> Good question, Light - I don't know how numerous they are. It's a Jewish organization, of course

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[19:58] <_stTimothy-VHL> Hi everyone... Bob what is the covenant?

[19:58] <light2-VHL> I though it was rather, weird for them to show an animal sacrafice, since they do not know it they are the priest

[19:58] <_stTimothy-VHL> I must have missed somthing?

[19:58] <jazene-VHL> 5Hey gramma

[19:58] <HostBob> From that verse in Daniel, Tim?

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[19:59] <HostBob> Welcome, Mytan!

[19:59] <jazene-VHL> 5what we are doing right now will soon have to be done underground.

[19:59] <Mytan-VHL> Thank you. It is good to be back.

[19:59] <HostBob> Well, here it is again: With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him. (Daniel 11:32 NIV)

[19:59] <light2-VHL> I think that the way they are doing it would violate Moses law about how to go about it

[19:59] <Gran-VHL542> :) I sure do hate getting in late what did I miss

[19:59] <Gramma-VHL> Hey jazene-good to be here.

[19:59] <jazene-VHL> 5Hey Mytan.

[19:59] <HostBob> He will not "seduce" or "corrupt" the true believers, right?

[20:00] <Gran-VHL542> Hi mylan

[20:00] <Gran-VHL542> :)

[20:00] <_stTimothy-VHL> asking me Bob?LOL

[20:00] <light2-VHL> Well in Daniel it says some of the wise shall fall , to be purified Bob

[20:00] <_stTimothy-VHL> I won't be seduced

[20:00] <Mytan-VHL> Hey Jazene, Gran, God bless everyone and this chat session.

[20:00] <HostBob> go back a couple verses....

[20:00] <Gran-VHL542> :) amen

[20:00] <jazene-VHL> 5AMEN Mytan

[20:00] <Mytan-VHL> That is right Bob.

[20:00] <HostBob> Ships of the western coastlands will oppose him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant. (Daniel 11:30 NIV)

[20:01] <Gramma-VHL> Is this dealing only with Israel?

[20:01] <Mytan-VHL> Where are we?

[20:02] <HostBob> That's a good question, Gramma - and the answer is, I'm not sure :)

[20:02] <_stTimothy-VHL> Has anyone seen the Omega Code? how true to life is that movie, as far as the uprise of AntiChrist?

[20:02] <HostBob> I see a couple of possibilities...

[20:02] <_stTimothy-VHL> Opinion of course

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[20:03] <HostBob> the "holy covenant" as in both verses 30 & 32 would seem to me those who remain true to the Lord

[20:03] <HostBob> and Revelation 12:17 may be talking about the same events...

[20:03] <HostBob> Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. (Revelation 12:17 NIV)

[20:04] <jazene-VHL> 5Well Jesus does say the his flock knows his voice.

[20:04] <light2-VHL> heeding

[20:04] <Gramma-VHL> That has to be talking about Jewish Christians, right?

[20:04] <HostBob> So, in summary, it seems that from these and other Scriptures that the AC will seduce and corrupt those who depart from the worship of the true God

[20:04] <_stTimothy-VHL> So this seems to indicate to me that the ANtiChrist will rise up first, sign a 7 year peace treaty then half way through break it, causeing a 3rd World war, but just about the time he breakes the treaty the rapture happens,?

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[20:04] <HostBob> and make war against those who refuse to bow to him

[20:05] <HostBob> Timothy, the timing of the rapture is hotly debated, as you know :)

[20:05] <Gran-VHL542> :) Bob here in Dan. is the first time I have seen that he has a country to go back to

[20:05] <jazene-VHL> 5you know timothy what you say sounds about right.

[20:05] <HostBob> Yes, Gran....

[20:05] <Gramma-VHL> His objective is destroy Israel and anyone that belongs to the Lord. Right?

[20:06] <HostBob> apparently at that point in time his control has not yet been consolidated

[20:06] <Gran-VHL542> WOW do we have a clue as to what that country is

[20:06] <Gran-VHL542> :)

[20:06] <HostBob> Yes, Gramma, but Israel will be protected, or the people anyway, according to Revelation 12

[20:06] <HostBob> I don't Gran :)

[20:06] <Gramma-VHL> So true. Praise the Lord for that.

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[20:07] <jazene-VHL> 5Do you think Bob that his headquarters will be located in Israel?

[20:07] <Gran-VHL542> :) also here we see again that the sacrificies will be stopped

[20:07] <crys-VHL> Has anyone read any of the Left Behind books? st Tim is right on with what he said.

[20:07] <HostBob> However, the Christians (whether us or those saved after the rapture if pre-trib) will be slaughter en masse

[20:07] <Gran-VHL542> :) so before much longer the temple will have to be built huh?

[20:07] <jazene-VHL> 5Yes Crys, I have and thought they were great.

[20:08] <HostBob> At some point, Jazene, apparently, because it indicates he will set himself up in the temple as God

[20:08] <jazene-VHL> 5Just like the Jews were?

[20:08] <hope-VHL> So Bob, do you think Christ will fulfill the final Yom Kippur at the end of the 7 year period?

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[20:08] <HostBob> yes, Gran, it seems that the Temple will be rebuilt, and sacrifices resumed - because it says they will be stopped, as you indicated

[20:09] <Mytan-VHL> 12Yes, that is true. I also have read the books, Crys

[20:09] <HostBob> yes, hope, I think so - tell us more about that if you will :)

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[20:09] <Gran-VHL542> :) so that must mean that the golden dombs will come down?

[20:09] <crys-VHL> the Jews are getting ready to rebuild the temple by getting materials sdstockpiled and people trained in sacrificeds

[20:09] <hope-VHL> O.k. hold on

[20:09] <crys-VHL> Some of the materials are being stored at the US embassy there.

[20:10] <crys-VHL> Musicians are being trained on harps

[20:10] <HostBob> yeah, Gran :)

[20:10] <HostBob> Yes, Crys - many preparations being made

[20:10] <Gran-VHL542> :) Yes also the temple furniture has been built

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[20:10] <HostBob> Hello, Farrell!

[20:10] <crys-VHL> the fulfilling of propheciy all around us!

[20:10] <Gran-VHL542> :) and the red heifer is beiing bred in TX

[20:10] <light2-VHL> Are Christians helping these templemount faithful grouP?

[20:11] <HostBob> I missed your entrance the first time around

[20:11] <jazene-VHL> 5Gran what is the red heifer for.

[20:11] <HostBob> Indirectly, yes, light

[20:11] <light2-VHL> I don't think that is right

[20:11] <Gran-VHL542> :) Actually it may already be ready it was started nearly 10 years ago just working to get the right one

[20:11] <light2-VHL> It is a false sacraficial system

[20:11] <crys-VHL> That's where cloning will come in

[20:11] <HostBob> My understanding is that the Temple Mount Faithful has friendly relations with Christian groups, realizing that we have some common expectations

[20:12] <crys-VHL> yes,

[20:12] <light2-VHL> As Christians we only should recognize Christs final sacrafice

[20:12] <Gran-VHL542> The ashes of the red heirfer are special to the Jews I really don't remember just when the ashes are spriinkled maybe Bob knows

[20:12] <jazene-VHL> 5Amen light:-)

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[20:12] <HostBob> Yes, light, but the Jewish people who will be resuming the sacrifices do not know that (yet)

[20:12] <light2-VHL> There is no common ground with those who won't accept Christ,sacrafice

[20:12] <jazene-VHL> 5Bob can you answer that one please:-)

[20:12] <Gran-VHL542> :) No crys in this case no cloning is involved

[20:13] <hope-VHL> Well I was reading about the holiday Yom Kippur, meaning "Day of Atonement" and it occurs on the 10th day of the Jewish month of Tishri...(September-October), the 7th month in the Jewish calendar. But what I was curious about...

[20:13] <light2-VHL> I know but what a false thing to do to encourage that type of thing

[20:13] <HostBob> Which one? :)

[20:13] <HostBob> "This is a requirement of the law that the LORD has commanded: Tell the Israelites to bring you a red heifer without defect or blemish and that has never been under a yoke. (Numbers 19:2 NIV)

[20:13] <HostBob> Give it to Eleazar the priest; it is to be taken outside the camp and slaughtered in his presence. (Numbers 19:3 NIV)

[20:13] <HostBob> Then Eleazar the priest is to take some of its blood on his finger and sprinkle it seven times toward the front of the Tent of Meeting. (Numbers 19:4 NIV)

[20:13] <Gran-VHL542> :) A rancher in TX ran across some red cattle years ago and has been breding to get just the right color

[20:13] <HostBob> While he watches, the heifer is to be burned--its hide, flesh, blood and offal. (Numbers 19:5 NIV)

[20:13] <jazene-VHL> 5About the red heifer.

[20:14] <HostBob> The priest is to take some cedar wood, hyssop and scarlet wool and throw them onto the burning heifer. (Numbers 19:6 NIV)

[20:14] <Gran-VHL542> :) With the sancion of the Jewish rabbis

[20:14] <HostBob> After that, the priest must wash his clothes and bathe himself with water. He may then come into the camp, but he will be ceremonially unclean till evening. (Numbers 19:7 NIV)

[20:14] <HostBob> The man who burns it must also wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he too will be unclean till evening. (Numbers 19:8 NIV)

[20:14] <HostBob> "A man who is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer and put them in a ceremonially clean place outside the camp. They shall be kept by the Israelite community for use in the water of cleansing; it is for purification from sin. (Numbers 19:9 NIV)

[20:14] <HostBob> The man who gathers up the ashes of the heifer must also wash his clothes, and he too will be unclean till evening. This will be a lasting ordinance both for the Israelites and for the aliens living among them. (Numbers 19:10 NIV)

[20:15] <HostBob> That is, to my knowledge, the only reference to the red heifer in the Bible

[20:15] <Gran-VHL542> :) I knew you wouldn't let us down Bob

[20:15] <HostBob> Online Bibles are great for searching :)

[20:15] <Gran-VHL542> :) Yes I just have not read it in many years

[20:15] <Jesse-VHL> Thanks Bob!!!!!!!

[20:15] <jazene-VHL> 5Alright Bob that was great.

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[20:15] <Gran-VHL542> :) OLd Bob is a good kid. LOL

[20:16] <HostBob> LOL

[20:16] <crys-VHL> thanks, what other animals will they be sacrificing?

[20:16] <Gran-VHL542> :) and smart also

[20:16] <hope-VHL> :-)

[20:16] <HostBob> I don't know, crys

[20:16] <jazene-VHL> 5:-):-)for that he deserves two smiley's.

[20:16] <HostBob> Daniel says...

[20:16] <Gran-VHL542> :) That is the only one that has to be just right as to color so have not heard anything else.

[20:16] <HostBob> "the daily sacrifice"

[20:17] <crys-VHL> There will be a whole sacrificial system set up??

[20:17] <HostBob> He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." (Daniel 9:27 NIV)

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[20:17] <HostBob> "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. (Daniel 11:31 NIV)

[20:17] <hope-VHL> So as of now, there are NO sacrifices going on in Israel?

[20:17] <HostBob> "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. (Daniel 12:11 NIV)

[20:17] <HostBob> Thats correct, hope

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[20:18] <Ketla-VHL> Hi all!

[20:18] <hope-VHL> Aren't they worried about their sin??? Since when has it stopped totally?

[20:19] <HostBob> Now, to be fair, I must say that some have interpreted these verses as being fulfilled already by Antichous Epiphanes in the days of the Macabees

[20:19] <HostBob> but I don't see it that way

[20:19] <jazene-VHL> 5is it possible that they do it in private.

[20:19] <HostBob> Hope, after the temple was destroyed in AD 70..

[20:19] <HostBob> they had to "reinvent" their religion in a sense...

[20:19] <Ketla-VHL> What's the topic?

[20:19] <HostBob> because they could no longer make sacrifices...

[20:19] <hope-VHL> There must not be very many REALLY religious people then...

[20:20] <HostBob> so the rabbis in exile came up with a new approach

[20:20] <Mytan-VHL> 12Jazene, none of the Jewish people do sacrifices as they have no temple.

[20:20] <Ketla-VHL> Problem is: religion means very little nowadays.

[20:20] <Ketla-VHL> At least, as most people live it.

[20:20] <HostBob> that "mitzot" or good deeds were now in essense the way to forgiveness

[20:20] <HostBob> that sacrifice was no longer needed

[20:21] <HostBob> which is of course as we know a contradiction to wha tthe Lord has said

[20:21] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, have you commented yet on the fulfillment of Jer 16:14-15? Are most of the returning Jews coming in disbelief?

[20:21] <HostBob> In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. (Hebrews 9:22 NIV)

[20:21] <Mytan-VHL> 12There is a lot of "religion" in the "world" but very little faith.

[20:22] <HostBob> Let me look at that, Farrell...

[20:22] <HostBob> yes, Farrell, you are referring the "millionth" person today? Tell everyone :)

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[20:23] <hope-VHL> So Bob, about the Yom Kippur......if Christ does fulfill this on the final day of the 7 year period, then literally we can count back 2,520 or 2519 days from that holiday in that year, and this would mean that the "peace treaty" would HAVE to be confirmed either in the month of October or November, depending on the time of the Holiday 7 years ahead in time.....do you know what I'm saying?

[20:23] <HostBob> "However, the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when men will no longer say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' but they will say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers. (Jeremiah 16:14-15 NIV)

[20:23] <HostBob> Yes, I do hope, and that's interesting speculation

[20:23] <farrell-VHL> 2I'm asking - havent heard about the millionth. Tell us:)

[20:23] <HostBob> ok - hold that thought, hope :)

[20:24] <HostBob> we'll get back to it :)

[20:24] <hope-VHL> O.K :-)

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[20:24] <crys-VHL> I don't think that they are returning for religious reasons, it's more of an ehtnic-type thing.

[20:24] <Ketla-VHL> The millionth thing is referring to the fact that now 1 million Russian Jews have immigrated to Israel.

[20:24] <HostBob> From Stan's email today...A major fulfillment of prophecy is taking place before our eyes, almost

[20:24] <HostBob> completely ignored by the secular press (unsurprisingly), and by the Church

[20:24] <HostBob> (tragically). Since December 1989, one million Jews have immigrated to

[20:24] <HostBob> Israel from the former Soviet Union, in terms of numbers already rivaling

[20:24] <HostBob> the Exodus from Moses out of Egypt.

[20:24] <jazene-VHL> 5How many more Jews have to return home yet?

[20:25] <Gran-VHL542> :) Bob until I real the news from VHL I did not know about the Million Jews from Russa

[20:25] <Gran-VHL542> :) That there had been that is

[20:25] <HostBob> It doesn't matter why they are returning, but it is a direct fulfillment - notice the detail of God's pronouncement - emphasizing "from the north"

[20:25] <Gran-VHL542> :) yes I saw that Bob

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[20:25] <HostBob> it's very exciting that we are seeing these things happening

[20:26] <light2-VHL> Bob if they do start offering strange sacrafices, would not this be the breaking of the covenant of God

[20:26] <hope-VHL> It says that one million would come from the north?

[20:26] <HostBob> God is working!

[20:26] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, are these Jews crediting God for their returning? Are the nations beginning to see that it is God's doing?

[20:26] <crys-VHL> They don't have a clue,

[20:26] <Gran-VHL542> :) farrel most of the world is against anything the Jews do

[20:27] <Gran-VHL542> :) Or God for that matter

[20:27] <light2-VHL> Malachi 1: 4-8

[20:27] <Ketla-VHL> God himself could speak from heaven, and a lot of people wouldn't even notice, they're so entreched in their own ways.

[20:27] <Gran-VHL542> :) yes Ketla

[20:27] <HostBob> No, Farrell, not yet, but I think people, both Jews and others, cannot ignore that this is one of the most distinctive and unprecedented events un human history

[20:27] <jazene-VHL> 5You would think that the Jews would get a clue as to what is happening being that they are the Chosen one's. Wouldn't you think?:-O

[20:27] <farrell-VHL> 2But, God says the nations will all know that it is Him who does this thing. So, they will know at some point, right?

[20:27] <HostBob> many civilizations have been exiled and have disappeared from the earth, but God has preserved the Jews

[20:28] <Gran-VHL542> :) Anti seminism is getting worse all the time in the SU

[20:28] <HostBob> Yes, Farrell :)

[20:28] <Gran-VHL542> :) And in Germany

[20:28] <crys-VHL> what about the lost ribes of Israel?

[20:28] <Ketla-VHL> Anybody see that A & E special on the lost tribes?

[20:28] <HostBob> and, yes, Jazene, I think that's one of the main points of it, right?

[20:28] <Gran-VHL542> :) I beleive that they are joined in with other tribes

[20:29] <HostBob> "How can I give you up, Ephraim? How can I hand you over, Israel? How can I treat you like Admah? How can I make you like Zeboiim? My heart is changed within me; all my compassion is aroused. (Hosea 11:8 NIV)

[20:29] <Gran-VHL542> :) I didn't just got TV going

[20:29] <light2-VHL> The 10 lost tribes were lost before Christ even came to earth

[20:29] <Mytan-VHL> 12But they are gathering to await the first coming of the Messiah.

[20:29] <HostBob> (Admah and Zeboiim were cities destroyed with Sodom and Gomorrah)

[20:29] <HostBob> See, God's passion is aroused

[20:29] <Ketla-VHL> One guy has found at least evidence of, if not descendants of. the Lost Tribes, all of them.

[20:30] <Mytan-VHL> 12Many of the Jewish people have faith in God but still are blind to what he has already done.

[20:30] <HostBob> compassion, that is

[20:30] <Mytan-VHL> 12This is the reason they are once again gathering.

[20:30] <farrell-VHL> 2If the Jews would just turn to their God, be obedient, then God would remove the blinders from their eyes and they would see.

[20:30] <HostBob> Yes, Mytan, but it's all part of the plan to

[20:30] <Ketla-VHL> Surprisingly or not, wherever they were scattered, many did very well in the lands they settled in.

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[20:30] <Gran-VHL542> :) Ketla where are they supposed to be

[20:30] <Ketla-VHL> Several became ruling dynasties.

[20:30] <HostBob> 'bring them back" - first physically, then spiritually

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[20:30] <Gramma-VHL> I got kicked off. :-( But I'm back now.

[20:31] <HostBob> Welcome, Clint!

[20:31] <hope-VHL> QUESTION??? Is the number million in the Bible? : ) about the millionth Jew?

[20:31] <HostBob> Glad you're back?

[20:31] <Gran-VHL542> :) WB Gramma

[20:31] <clint-VHL> Thanks.

[20:31] <Ketla-VHL> Scattered from a port town in North Africa, where the cohen priests are, to various sects in Afghanistan, India, and Pakistan.

[20:31] <HostBob> Glad you're back!!!! :)

[20:31] <crys-VHL> fascinating, about the lost tribes

[20:31] <Gramma-VHL> Seems I missed a lot but I'll listen a while and maybe I can catch up.

[20:32] <HostBob> OK - let's get back to Hope

[20:32] <Gran-VHL542> :) yes many have their own ideas of what happened to them

[20:32] <jazene-VHL> 5Well I guess we can look at the Jews as the same way Jesus talked about the parrable about the returning son.

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[20:32] <HostBob> Hope's question about Yom Kippor

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[20:33] <Gran-VHL542> :) oh, yes

[20:33] <HostBob> There are 10 days, correct, between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur

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[20:33] <HostBob> is that right?

[20:33] <HostBob> and those days are days of mourning and repentance, right?

[20:33] <grizzman-VHL> shalom everyone

[20:33] <Gran-VHL542> :) Hi grizz

[20:33] <jazene-VHL> 5Hey grizz

[20:33] <HostBob> Many believe that those fall feast are symbolic of days yet to come, right?

[20:33] <Mytan-VHL> 12Hey Grizz.

[20:33] <HostBob> Hi Grizz!

[20:34] <hope-VHL> I just know that there are 5 days between Yom Kippur and Sukkot ( the Feast of Tabernacles)

[20:34] <light2-VHL> yes I do

[20:34] <HostBob> yes, hope - I'm no expert by any means on this, but it seems to me...

[20:34] <Gramma-VHL> Is this the Feast of Atonement? Does it foreshadow the repentence of Israel?

[20:34] <Gran-VHL542> :) yes Bob

[20:34] <light2-VHL> Col 2:17

[20:34] <hope-VHL> The Sukkot is required to be observed on the Mount Zion......(I read)

[20:34] <HostBob> that the 10 days of mourning and repentance may be symbolic of the days when Israel will mourn in the future...

[20:35] <HostBob> over the "one they have pierced"

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[20:35] <hope-VHL> So ROSH..... comes BEFORE YOM Kippur right Bob?

[20:35] <HostBob> Yes, Gramma

[20:35] <jazene-VHL> 5Is that when they will realize what they have done to Christ?

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[20:35] <HostBob> I think so, Jazene

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[20:36] <Gramma-VHL> Like does the Feast of Trumpets foreshadow the rapture at the regathering of Israel?

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[20:36] <HostBob> "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. (Zechariah 12:10 NIV)

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[20:36] <HostBob> "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. (Zechariah 12:10 NIV)

[20:36] <HostBob> Welcome, Hannah! Is this Hannah from VHL?

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[20:36] <HostBob> The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, (Zechariah 12:12 NIV)

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[20:37] <HostBob> the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, (Zechariah 12:13 NIV)

[20:37] <Hannah-VHL> Hello Host Bob , Yes

[20:37] <HostBob> and all the rest of the clans and their wives. (Zechariah 12:14 NIV)

[20:37] <HostBob> Hannah, tell everyone where you are :)

[20:37] <HostBob> "On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity. (Zechariah 13:1 NIV)

[20:37] <HostBob> Welcome, Suzy Q

[20:37] <Hannah-VHL> I think that you think I am someone else, I am sorry. I am in Cape Cod, Ma. USA

[20:38] <HostBob> So.... from Zechariah - after the mourning, comes the cleasing and forgiveness

[20:38] <HostBob> oh, Hannah, I thought you were the Hannah on VHL staff in Jerusalem - sorry :)

[20:38] <Hannah-VHL> That is fine, I am sorry for the confussion

[20:38] <HostBob> "_

[20:38] <HostBob> :)

[20:39] <hope-VHL> THAT IS SOOOO neat, because Christ fulfilled the Passover, with His first coming....

[20:39] <hope-VHL> And I believe He will fulfill these to the TTTTT

[20:39] <HostBob> Hope, I think your point certainly warrants further study - most Bible commentator do believe the fall feasts symbolize Jesus return

[20:39] <HostBob> yes, Hope :)

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[20:40] <farrell-VHL> 2Are you all talking about the feasts of Israel to be fulfilled by Christ? I was disconnected for a while, getting caught up.

[20:40] <hope-VHL> The more I've read about it, the more EXCITED I get......

[20:40] <Gramma-VHL> Isn't it neat how He really tells us everything if we pray and study the Scripture?

[20:40] <HostBob> Yes, Farrell - perhaps someone else can fill in more details about these - I'm not as familiar as I should be with them

[20:41] <HostBob> Yes, Hope, that's the point, right? Get excited about God's plans, and what will soon happen! Jesus is coming back!!!!

[20:41] <farrell-VHL> 2Is it so that Jesus fulfilled the first four and the last three are fulfilled at his second coming?

[20:41] <HostBob> Yes, Gramma :)

[20:41] <jazene-VHL> 5We just don't really know how blessed that we really are to be able to speak about the Lord in such an open way.

[20:41] <Gramma-VHL> We just studied the feasts in a Precept Class. Interesting.

[20:41] <HostBob> True, Jazene

[20:42] <HostBob> Anything significant that you recall, Gramma?

[20:42] <_stTimothy-VHL> Ok, I'm all caught up now

[20:42] <jazene-VHL> 5Amen, Amen and Amen to that Host Bob:-):->

[20:42] <farrell-VHL> 2Yes, Bob, it is certainly time to get excited about His coming back.

[20:42] <HostBob> :)

[20:42] <_stTimothy-VHL> I left fopr about 10 min, and it took 15 more to get caught up

[20:42] <hope-VHL> Then the final holiday He would be able to fulfill would be Hannukkah, because Jesus Himself (John 8:12) was referring to this when He said that He was the "light of this world" !!

[20:42] <HostBob> Bible prophecy should never be dry, academic, or only a subject for debate, but to light a fire in our hearts!!!

[20:43] <Gramma-VHL> What farrell said seems to be pretty much true. THe first four feasts have to do with happenings during the church age. The last three look toward unfulfilled prophecy according to the study.

[20:43] <HostBob> Amen, Hope!

[20:43] <Hannah-VHL> I am way behind, but I am so excited to just think that we are living in the time of Christs return. We have to pray for Israel even harder.

[20:43] <farrell-VHL> 2Gramma, what do the last three feasts signify?

[20:43] <HostBob> Hanakkuk is also called "the feast of dedication"

[20:43] <_stTimothy-VHL> So Bob when I asked you about when Jesus would return and your Guess was around 2032, 2033 Do you still feel the same or do you think it is liekly sooner, with the quick progression of things that are occuring?

[20:43] <hope-VHL> Makes my heart beat soooooo fast!!!!! :-)

[20:44] <HostBob> because it was when they rededicated the temple after it had been defiled by the Selucids

[20:44] <HostBob> No, Timothy, I didn' t guess that....

[20:44] <Gramma-VHL> The Feast of Trumpets forshadows the regathering of Israel and maybe the Rapture. The Feast of Atonement foreshadows the repentence of Israel . The Feast of Booths forshadows Christ tabernacling with us.

[20:44] <HostBob> I said it could be that far away, who knows, but it could be very very soon

[20:45] <HostBob> I do not set dates

[20:45] <_stTimothy-VHL> Oh- sorry, diden't want to pin you down to a specific date/yr, though

[20:45] <hope-VHL> I think MUCH sooner than that.......I PRAY

[20:45] <HostBob> Yes, Hannah, you are right, we must pray for Israel

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[20:45] <light2-VHL> Amen Hope

[20:45] <clint-VHL> Glad to hear that HOSTBOB.

[20:45] <Gramma-VHL> farrell, did I answer your question about the last three feasts?

[20:45] <HostBob> :) Clint

[20:46] <Gran-VHL542> :) things are moving so fast now in the whole world it would seem to be much closer than anyone imagined

[20:46] <clint-VHL> I agree Gran.

[20:46] <HostBob> Hannah, what, specifically, do you think we should pray for Israel?

[20:46] <Hannah-VHL> I,too....Gran

[20:46] <farrell-VHL> 2Thanks, gramma. It seems to make perfect sense. Do you have a recommendation of a study in this area?

[20:46] <crys-VHL> all the pieces are falling into place

[20:46] <Gran-VHL542> :) but of of course only the Father knows

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[20:47] <Hannah-VHL> For the Jewish people to come to the saving knowledge of Yeshua.....and for peace that only Christ can bring.

[20:47] <Gramma-VHL> Yes, the studies in Revelation or Daniel or both are great. Revelation has 4 parts. We are just completing the third part now. Do you have Precept studies in you area , farrell?

[20:47] <HostBob> Amen, Hannah - may it happen soon, Lord God!

[20:48] <Gran-VHL542> :) I have always been so impatient so am learniing to let what God wants happen in HIS time

[20:48] <hope-VHL> AMEN!!! BOB

[20:48] <Hannah-VHL> Amen

[20:48] <_stTimothy-VHL> Like I said Bob, dien't want to pin you down to a date/Yr. but if you had to guess We all know your opinion is as good as our own because no man knows the hour but based on events that have happend and are happening, some how I got the impression of 2032,33, or a thousand years after christs actual birth

[20:48] <farrell-VHL> 2Kay Arthur? I think so, I'll check. Thanks:)

[20:48] <Hannah-VHL> I love Kay Arthur, listen to her everyday....

[20:49] <Gramma-VHL> Yes, Kay Arthur. I've learned so much and was wrong in so many areas because of previous teaching.

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[20:49] <HostBob> I'm very hesitant to even mention certain dates, Tim - Jesus said look for the signs, but I think we should not speculate much as to specific dates

[20:49] <Gran-VHL542> :) Hey gang all we can do is pray

[20:49] <Gran-VHL542> :) We don't want to be the ones looking for a sign

[20:49] <grizzman-VHL> Timothy it is not for us to know the time or the date but to keep watch and keep our lamp trimmed

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[20:50] <HostBob> Many people have said certain dates and have ended up looking extremely stupid

[20:50] <Gran-VHL542> :) amen grizz

[20:50] <Gramma-VHL> We know it is going to happen. He doesn't want us to know exactly when or He would have told us.

[20:50] <HostBob> or worse, disappointing people

[20:50] <hope-VHL> Hey if this "peace treaty" that Arafat wants confirmed on September 13, DOESN't get confirmed until towards the end of October, and the Yom Kippur will be fulfilled on the last day of the 7 year treaty, THEN that COULD be THE treaty! Just my thoughts!!!:-)

[20:50] <Hannah-VHL> I really believe that you are right about setting any dates, Host Bob....I just think that there isn't much time left, things do seem to be moving rapidly.

[20:50] <HostBob> Yes, things are moving rapidly - hang on for the ride :)

[20:51] <Mytan-VHL> 12If we knew, would we strive to be ready or say "i've got time."

[20:51] <Hannah-VHL> I can't waite......

[20:51] <hope-VHL> Jesus said the only thing we will not know is the DAY and Hour of HIS return.....not anything else, we of course are speculating.....

[20:51] <Gramma-VHL> It is very exciting to see all of this happening and happening so quickly.

[20:51] <_stTimothy-VHL> No, not specific ones, but as was mentioned earlier about counting back about important dates, etc

[20:51] <HostBob> Good point, Mytan :)

[20:51] <farrell-VHL> 2Good point Mytan:)

[20:51] <_stTimothy-VHL> I don't believe in setting dates either folks, I wonder in amazment just as all of you when our Lord is comming for us

[20:52] <Mytan-VHL> 12;-)

[20:52] <Hannah-VHL> Just keep looking up, all of us.........

[20:52] <HostBob> I was chatting with Stan earlier today, and he said it's a somber night in Israel... their Memorial Day

[20:52] <farrell-VHL> 2Yes, Gramma, it is very exciting. I have grandchildren as well and it's neat to see them get excited as they have in reading Left Behind for Kids.

[20:52] <hope-VHL> I'm LOOKING FORWARD to the ride BOB! : )

[20:52] <HostBob> remembering the slain who have fallen in the wars since 1948

[20:52] <HostBob> amen, Hope :)

[20:53] <grizzman-VHL> i just thank JESUS that icould be part of this and if HE doesnt come for another 50 years thats ok too

[20:53] <Gran-VHL542> :) Bob or anyone do you know of a day I bleive in June or July that not day a date that bad things keep happening to israel?

[20:53] <Hannah-VHL> Amen, grizzman

[20:53] <Gran-VHL542> :) I read so much and get things mixed up

[20:53] <_stTimothy-VHL> will their be a specific laugage in heaven, does anyone know if the bible says anything about that?

[20:53] <HostBob> Gran, are you referring to the date when the temples were destroyed?

[20:54] <Gran-VHL542> :) i just can;t remember Bob but it has a name

[20:54] <HostBob> I don't know that is says anything about it, Tim - good question

[20:54] <Gran-VHL542> :) Like the 10th of Abb or something like that

[20:54] <HostBob> yes, Gran, and it slips my mind at the moment

[20:54] <clint-VHL> Yes stTimothy, a heavenly language.:-)

[20:54] <HostBob> yes, Gran

[20:54] <Hannah-VHL> st Timothy, I think your right, but don't know off hand where it says it.

[20:54] <HostBob> or the 9th?

[20:54] <Hannah-VHL> thank you, clint

[20:54] <Gran-VHL542> :) yes that is it well I was close

[20:55] <HostBob> I'm not sure

[20:55] <clint-VHL> :-)Hannah

[20:55] <Gran-VHL542> :) what is it significant of Bob

[20:55] <Hannah-VHL> Clint:-)

[20:55] <_stTimothy-VHL> finally a good question from me,Bob LOL:-)

[20:55] <HostBob> Ahh, Tim, ya got lots of em :)

[20:56] <HostBob> let me see what I can find quick, Gran

[20:56] <clint-VHL> Just picking Tim:->

[20:57] <HostBob> I'm looking - keeep on chatting :)

[20:57] <_stTimothy-VHL> can I get a count of everyone who has an opinion on the pre/mid/post tribulation, ***just type post or mid or pre so I get an idea, just for fun

[20:57] <Gran-VHL542> :) sont be too fast Bob need to leave for a minute

[20:57] <_stTimothy-VHL> to see how many opinions their are

[20:57] <clint-VHL> Pre!!!!!

[20:57] <Hannah-VHL> I am new to this. Are all the same people here, most of the time? You are all so nice. This is such a blessing to me.

[20:57] <Mytan-VHL> 12Pre

[20:57] <yaqquir-VHL> pre

[20:57] <drb-VHL> pre....I pray

[20:57] <light2-VHL> Not sure, hope pre

[20:57] <Hannah-VHL> pre

[20:57] <Gramma-VHL> pre

[20:57] <crys-VHL> pre

[20:57] <Hannah-VHL> I pray, too.

[20:58] <jazene-VHL> 5pre

[20:58] <HostBob> The First 9th of Av, 586 B.C.E. - was the destruction of Solomon's temple

[20:58] <hope-VHL> I used to be pre-trib.....now I'm Pre-Wrath......: ) AND STILL looking forward to seeing My Lord's face!

[20:58] <clint-VHL> Looks like we're all going on the same flight!:-)

[20:58] <HostBob> Hannah, we always have a great group here

[20:58] <light2-VHL> hey Bob?? pre??

[20:58] <drb-VHL> amen

[20:58] <HostBob> I lean towards post :)

[20:58] <Gran-VHL542> Yes Bob thanks thats it

[20:59] <hope-VHL> Pre trib and pre wrath are NOT the same.....but anyways, we'll all still be there!!! :-)

[20:59] <_stTimothy-VHL> their is always one odd ball, Just kidding Bob

[20:59] <light2-VHL> Bobs got a lonnnnnnng wait:-)

[20:59] <grizzman-VHL> BOb please explain why

[20:59] <jazene-VHL> 5what do you mean hope? pre-wrath

[20:59] <HostBob> LOL Tim

[20:59] <_stTimothy-VHL> I like to stir it up don't I Bob,LOL

[20:59] <Hannah-VHL> I want to come back, again.....Are you always the host, HostBob, or are there different people that host. ?

[20:59] <HostBob> LOL Light

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[20:59] <hope-VHL> FUNNY, : ) I guess I'll be waiting with Bob : )

[20:59] <HostBob> I'm always the host on Monday night...

[21:00] <HostBob> Stan hosts on Wed night at 8 PM Eastern

[21:00] <light2-VHL> Will bring you a coca cola when we come back Bob:-)

[21:00] <HostBob> come back again, Hannah :)

[21:00] <HostBob> LOL Light

[21:00] <_stTimothy-VHL> LOL

[21:00] <Gramma-VHL> When I said "pre" I meant "pre wrath"

[21:00] <Hannah-VHL> I will for sure...Thank you very much.

[21:00] <jazene-VHL> 5Yes please come back again Hannah. May the Lord go with you.

[21:00] <HostBob> I'm still looking for "9th of Av" :)

[21:00] <Hannah-VHL> Thank you jazene

[21:00] <grizzman-VHL> see you hanna GOD bless

[21:01] <light2-VHL> bye Hannah God Bless

[21:01] <Gran-VHL542> :) bye Hanna

[21:01] <Hannah-VHL> and you too, grizzman

[21:01] <jazene-VHL> 5your welcome hannah.

[21:01] <_stTimothy-VHL> so does anyone have an opinion on the third heaven ? and is the abys earth or where?

[21:01] <_stTimothy-VHL> ideas?

[21:01] <clint-VHL> 1 Thess. 5:9 "For G-D has not appointed us to wrath......"What about it HostBob?

[21:01] <Mytan-VHL> 12Bye Hanna

[21:01] <Hannah-VHL> Blessings Gran,,,,and all of you..........

[21:01] <Gran-VHL542> :) you too dear

[21:01] <Hannah-VHL> Bye.......Mytan.........this is the best Christian chat ever.......

[21:01] <Hannah-VHL> :-)

[21:01] <Gran-VHL542> :) come back on Wed

[21:01] <HostBob> Oh, Clint, I don't want to go into a big debate here :) I've posted some of my reasons on the VHL forums

[21:02] <jazene-VHL> 5Again what is Pre Wrath????

[21:02] <Gran-VHL542> :) I come on when I get back from chruch

[21:02] <clint-VHL> Bye Hannah, it has been fun.:-)

[21:02] <Hannah-VHL> I will try.........thank you again, so very much.......

[21:02] <Hannah-VHL> I am having a hard time leaving.....

[21:02] <Mytan-VHL> 12Come back again and fellowship with your brothers and sisters.

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[21:02] <hope-VHL> Jazene, Pre trib is raptured before the Tribulation starts.......Mid means raptured in the middle, before the persecution by the Anti Christ, ......Pre wrath comes AFTER the persecution of the Antichrist but BEFORE the WRATH of GOD....God will not be competing with Satan, (the antichrist too) for His wrath....WHen it's God's wrath the people will know it, without a doubt, and we've been promised NOT to see GOD's wrath, not Satans.....

[21:02] <Gran-VHL542> :) Jazene that is before the time of Gods wrath

[21:02] <Gramma-VHL> Pre wrath is before God pours out His wrath on the earth.

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[21:02] <Gran-VHL542> :) but after the trib

[21:03] <HostBob> OK - I found a good website describing what happened on 9th of Av

[21:03] <clint-VHL> No big debate my brother. Just wondering and trying to understand.:-)

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[21:03] <HostBob> :) Clint

[21:03] <HostBob> Take a look at this sometime - it's interesting - http://www.vjholidays.com/3weeks/9back.htm

[21:03] <HostBob> (not now)

[21:03] <hope-VHL> Either way........we should all be ready...... : ) to see our Lord!!! :-)

[21:03] <jazene-VHL> 5Why do you believe you would be here that long?

[21:03] <HostBob> Yes, hope :)

[21:04] <Gran-VHL542> :) Bob I am still undecided hate to be wishy washy LOL

[21:04] <applecheeks-VHL> hello bob remeber me:-)3

[21:04] <HostBob> LOL Gran - well, I'm not sure that we can be entirely dogmatic on on rapture postition or another

[21:04] <HostBob> Yes, Apple! Welcome back!!!

[21:05] <light2-VHL> hey apple!

[21:05] <Gran-VHL542> :) Hi Apple

[21:05] <Gran-VHL542> :) I remember

[21:05] <applecheeks-VHL> 3hello everyone where are we tonight

[21:05] <jazene-VHL> 5Hey apple

[21:05] <farrell-VHL> 2Can't stay connected for some reason. Seems like the more I learn re rapture, etc., the less certain I am about any dogmatic position.

[21:05] <grizzman-VHL> shalom apple

[21:05] <HostBob> Clint, not that I'm hesitant to discuss it, but it's difficult in this chat room to get into a detailed discussion of it

[21:05] <Gran-VHL542> :) yes farrell me too.

[21:05] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi Apple

[21:05] <applecheeks-VHL> 3shalom brother

[21:06] <HostBob> Sorry to hear that you keep getting tossed out, Farrell

[21:06] <Gramma-VHL> Me, too, farrell, but I'm leaning toward prewrath right now. I may change as I study more.

[21:06] <hope-VHL> Jazene, if you compare the prophesy given to Daniel, by Jesus, and Matthew 24 where Christ speaks of His return AND the book of Revelation, which was given to John by Jesus also....they all parallel each other....

[21:06] <Gran-VHL542> :) Hey farrell are you on compu serve

[21:06] <farrell-VHL> 2I'll stay until it happens again then I'll say "shalom" to all.

[21:06] <farrell-VHL> 2No, gran.

[21:06] <clint-VHL> One thing is for sure, if we are a part of the bride of Christ, it won't really matter what we individually think. Will it?

[21:07] <Gran-VHL542> :) well they bump me a lot

[21:07] <grizzman-VHL> i belive that CHRIST will take up HIS church before the seventy weeks

[21:07] <Gramma-VHL> I'm just glad there will be a rapture.

[21:07] <Gran-VHL542> :) so it would seem clint

[21:07] <hope-VHL> THAT's right CLINT : )

[21:07] <HostBob> Yes, being too rigid in our understanding does not allow us to get new insights from the Scriptures (and I must qualify that with we dare not deviate from the fundamental doctrines) - but on things like the timing of end-time events we too often approach the Bible with our pre-set systems

[21:07] <farrell-VHL> 2I've a local server. Sometimes good, sometimes not so

[21:07] <Gran-VHL542> :) amen gramma

[21:07] <jazene-VHL> 5Amen clint:-):-)

[21:07] <clint-VHL> Amen Gramma

[21:08] <light2-VHL> Amen Bob

[21:08] <farrell-VHL> 2Amen from me too, clint:)

[21:08] <Gran-VHL542> :) yes bob I have seen that a lot

[21:08] <farrell-VHL> 2Amen Gramma:)

[21:08] <clint-VHL> We sound like the "Amen" chorus.:-)

[21:08] <HostBob> LOL Clint

[21:08] <jazene-VHL> 5Amen Bob!!!!

[21:09] <light2-VHL> Like when I found out that when Chirst says to John, come up here, and I will show you what is to happen hereafter, that is major verse for pre Trib

[21:09] <applecheeks-VHL> 3i would like to know why does it seems so many churches our blind to the coming of god so many are not prepared

[21:09] <light2-VHL> That is a little scary right there

[21:09] <jazene-VHL> 5All singing the praises of our wonderful LORD!!!!

[21:09] <Mytan-VHL> 12It does not matter, He says in Mathew 24 that for the "elects sake" He will shorten those days of tribulation. what ever we endure for a short term, though difficult in the flesh, will be worth the eternity with Him.

[21:09] <grizzman-VHL> amen light

[21:09] <Gramma-VHL> In Scripture if you watch carefully who is being spoken to or talked about, it helps to clear up some of thse things.

[21:09] <HostBob> True, apple - but the Lord said it would be that way

[21:09] <hope-VHL> In that verse he specifically speaking to John, not the church.......

[21:09] <Gran-VHL542> :) Hey clint thats a good chorus

[21:10] <jazene-VHL> 5But I believe that scripture is directed more to those who were left behind.

[21:10] <_stTimothy-VHL> so Mytan does that mean we will see a 3 1/2 year trib, the rapture you think?

[21:10] <HostBob> Hey, well, if you are all right and it's pre-trib, then I'll be going right up with you then :)

[21:10] <farrell-VHL> 2You got that right, Bob:)

[21:10] <hope-VHL> GREAT point, GRAMMA!

[21:10] <clint-VHL> Applecheeks, unfortunately there are many churches and church members who do not really believe. Period.:-(

[21:10] <light2-VHL> Now wait a minute Bob, who will host the chat then

[21:10] <_stTimothy-VHL> LOL Bob

[21:11] <Mytan-VHL> 12We will all go together Bob. But stTimothy, I tend toward the pre position.

[21:11] <hope-VHL> AMEN BOB!!!!:-)

[21:11] <Gramma-VHL> Hopefully we won't be chatting if Bob goes with us--except in person.

[21:11] <jazene-VHL> 5None of us I pray will be left here to host.:-)

[21:11] <light2-VHL> Also Apple, alot of church members are not trusting Christ alone for salvation, but they think works will help too

[21:11] <Gran-VHL542> :) HEy you meand this is not in person????

[21:11] <HostBob> Yes, Jazene, it seems to me there are a number of warnings in Daniel and Revelation regarding the mindset that the believers of that day will need (whether it's us or the tribulation saints)

[21:11] <HostBob> LOL

[21:12] <Gran-VHL542> :) it is sometimes hard to remember that we are not all together in person

[21:12] <Gramma-VHL> Not up close and face to face. Wish it were.

[21:12] <grizzman-VHL> just think the day is coming that we will meet each other by the eastern gate

[21:12] <applecheeks-VHL> 3yes thats true but so many are so blind god gives us so many signs as the last day arrives its sad people are so lost in the things ofthe world

[21:12] <farrell-VHL> 2What is giving me pause for thought is reading the OT prophets concerning gentiles. There are many references to God saving the gentiles and it surely sounds like the church age.

[21:12] <Mytan-VHL> 12True Bob. Some will realize when it is too late and will suffer much more than we.

[21:12] <_stTimothy-VHL> So you think then that we will be raptured first, then the signing of the 7 year peace treaty, then satin breaks the treaty, war happens, then.... When does Armagedon begin in relation to the peace treaty?

[21:12] <jazene-VHL> 5Yes Gramma but one day soon well will all see each other face to face.

[21:12] <light2-VHL> that is the reason we are here now, to be salt and light to the world

[21:12] <HostBob> Yes, Farrell - many say the church is not mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures, but I disagree

[21:13] <hope-VHL> Either way, Jazene, really the point is, that whether it's pretrib, mid, prewrath, post.........we all need to be ready to even die for our Lord. :-)

[21:13] <Gran-VHL542> :) Bob i thought that the elect are the Jews

[21:13] <clint-VHL> A person first has to be born again before thier eyes can be opened to the signs.

[21:13] <Gran-VHL542> :) amen Hope

[21:13] <HostBob> Armageddon is at the very end, Tim

[21:13] <Gramma-VHL> farrell, salvation came to the Gentiles because the Jews rejected Jesus. It was done to make them jealous.

[21:13] <clint-VHL> I agree Bob.:-)

[21:13] <farrell-VHL> 2Sure is exciting to read God's Word!!:)

[21:13] <HostBob> yes, Hope - exactly

[21:13] <jazene-VHL> 5Amen light. how right you are.

[21:14] <_stTimothy-VHL> I figured it was, but in relation to the thousand year rane etc where dies it fit in?

[21:14] <light2-VHL> We better shine bright, cause we don't want Christ to remove our candle stick

[21:14] <jazene-VHL> 5Amen Hope I totally agree with you.:-)

[21:14] <HostBob> Gran, I did a word study recently on the Greek word for "elect" or "chosen" in the NT and it seemed to me to be talking mostly about Christians

[21:14] <_stTimothy-VHL> does I should say

[21:14] <Gran-VHL542> :) Hummmm

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[21:15] <Mytan-VHL> 12It happens right before and leads into it stTimothy

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[21:15] <_stTimothy-VHL> christians? elect, or the very smart, or Gods chosen ,elect?

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[21:15] <light2-VHL> Well remember Bob, most the early church were all Jews

[21:15] <nega-VHL> h'yall

[21:15] <HostBob> Armeggedon is the final battle, when Yeshua the Messiah wars against the nations that have gathered together - probably spoken of more than any event in prophecy

[21:15] <jazene-VHL> 5Hi nega.

[21:15] <Gran-VHL542> :) Hi nega WB

[21:15] <light2-VHL> I had looked up Claudius reign and it was 41-54 AD

[21:15] <Mytan-VHL> 12The chosen Tim

[21:15] <HostBob> Nega! Welcome!!!

[21:16] <clint-VHL> Mostly in the NT, you are right Bob, but the Jews are G-D's elect or chosen nation (people). Wouldn't you agree Bob?

[21:16] <Mytan-VHL> 12Hello Nega.

[21:16] <grizzman-VHL> shgalom nega nice to see you

[21:16] <nega-VHL> 3Ho Majesty

[21:16] <hope-VHL> Hi Nega..... : )

[21:16] <light2-VHL> So before that time only Jews were being preached to in the NT

[21:16] <grizzman-VHL> shalom

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[21:16] <HostBob> Yes, the "elect" certainly refers to both the Jews in some contexts and Christians in others, but mostly to Christians in the NT, in my opinion

[21:16] <Mytan-VHL> 12clint, God set them aside to work with the gentiles and when the time is right He will work with the Jews again.

[21:17] <Gramma-VHL> Until God sent Peter to Cornelius--he was a Gentile.

[21:17] <clint-VHL> We agree.:-)

[21:17] <HostBob> Ya see I got my crown tonight, Nega - it didn't fall off this time :)

[21:17] <clint-VHL> Absolutely.

[21:17] <light2-VHL> Yes exactly Gramma, and that happened sometime in Claudius, reign

[21:17] <hope-VHL> It was to the disciples that Jesus was speaking to in Matthew 24....they wanted to know when He would return....they were Jews, BUT they were BELIEVERS....Christians really

[21:17] <Mytan-VHL> 12Good.

[21:17] <light2-VHL> They were first called Christians at Antioch

[21:18] <Gran-VHL542> :) Well some day we will all have crowns and will throw them at the feel of Jesus what a day that will be

[21:18] <light2-VHL> Christian was origianally a slander word

[21:18] <clint-VHL> It is my belief Hope that Matt. 24 is primarily to the Jews.

[21:18] <_stTimothy-VHL> If you look at the word intelectual you see in the middle elect

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[21:18] <hope-VHL> AMEN GRAN!

[21:18] <Gramma-VHL> Amen, Gran!

[21:18] <nega-VHL> 3but meanwhile, the crowned one is Bob Gran ;)

[21:18] <light2-VHL> Yes amen Gran

[21:18] <_stTimothy-VHL> unless I'm spelling it wrong, then I'm not one of the intellectual,LOL

[21:18] <light2-VHL> Hey lets throw it Bob

[21:19] <HostBob> LOL

[21:19] <Gran-VHL542> :) yes nega on MOn night that is on Wed it is Stan that is crowned

[21:19] <jazene-VHL> 5I just can't hardly wait for that day to come. Sometimes we so weary for him to come sooner thought.

[21:19] <hope-VHL> Clint, His disciples wanted to know when HE would return....He was explaining it to THEM.....they believed in Him, they were NOT non believing Jews

[21:19] <HostBob> If I throw it then I won't be able to toss out any potential rowdies :)

[21:19] <nega-VHL> 3:)

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[21:20] <_stTimothy-VHL> I was watching the BBC news about syeria and Ciro and Israel

[21:20] <Gran-VHL542> :) rowdies none here BOB

[21:20] <Gramma-VHL> Hate to leave this, but I have to go. Have a good week and "see" you next week.

[21:20] <Gran-VHL542> :) We just get excited

[21:20] <clint-VHL> I agree that they were believers, however on closer study it seems to be referring to Israel after the rapture.

[21:20] <nega-VHL> 3whats rowdies?

[21:20] <applecheeks-VHL> 3i would like to know there are some religions that teach there faith is the only true way but i feel on gods return there will be a lot of faiths in heaven

[21:20] <light2-VHL> I am going to leave for awhile, you all have a great evening in the Lord, God Bless

[21:20] <Gran-VHL542> about Jesus:)

[21:20] <hope-VHL> God Bless you Gramma

[21:20] <Mytan-VHL> 12I don't know. I can get pretty rowdy sometimes.

[21:20] <nega-VHL> 3bye Gramma. Blessings

[21:20] <clint-VHL> Bye Gramma

[21:20] <Gran-VHL542> God Bless GRamma

[21:21] <HostBob> Apple, Jesus claims to be the only way to God were very exclusive

[21:21] <grizzman-VHL> bye gramma love you in the name of JESUS our SAVIOR

[21:21] <_stTimothy-VHL> later Gramma, and light

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[21:21] <jazene-VHL> 5Have to run for a little bit but will be back to join you soon I hope.

[21:21] <applecheeks-VHL> 3bye gramma

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[21:21] <nega-VHL> 32by light2.

[21:21] <Gran-VHL542> :) Bob & all I need to leave also see you all on Wed night

[21:21] <nega-VHL> 2bye

[21:21] <clint-VHL> Apple Jesus said that He is the only door.

[21:21] <_stTimothy-VHL> Anyone watch the BBC news on TV

[21:21] <_stTimothy-VHL> ???

[21:21] <HostBob> Bye Gran :)

[21:21] <grizzman-VHL> by lite

[21:21] <Mytan-VHL> 12Bye gramma. Talk to you later Jazene.

[21:21] <_stTimothy-VHL> alot of over seas news on that channel

[21:21] <nega-VHL> 2bye to everyone who is leaving. May God bless you always

[21:21] <clint-VHL> Goodnight Gran.:-)

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[21:21] <hope-VHL> That's a pre-trib belief, but I don't see it that way.....Matt 24 parallels the opening of the seals in the book of Revelation, which was ALSO given by Christ to John....

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[21:22] <Mytan-VHL> 12Bye Gran. See you next week

[21:22] <applecheeks-VHL> 3thats true by why are there so many faiths in the world

[21:22] <nega-VHL> 2I have BBC but I am lazy to watch it because I have to concentrate :)

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[21:22] <HostBob> There are many faiths because the adversary establishes counterfeits to deceive people

[21:22] <HostBob> to keep them from coming to Jesus for life

[21:23] <_stTimothy-VHL> I congradulate you nega, by the way this is horing God from last week, remember?

[21:23] <clint-VHL> There are many unbelievers. I know that sounds short sighted but remember Jesus is the one who said it.

[21:23] <_stTimothy-VHL> This takes some conssentration too

[21:23] <nega-VHL> 2yes, I do :) how's your family?

[21:23] <Mytan-VHL> 12Jesus speaks of that also Bob, in Mathew 24.

[21:23] <HostBob> yes, Mytan, that's true

[21:23] <_stTimothy-VHL> 'Good, Good hwo are you nice to see you here.

[21:23] <applecheeks-VHL> 3bit how do you know which way is right:-)

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[21:24] <HostBob> We know what is right by what God has revealed in the Scriptures....

[21:24] <clint-VHL> I personally trusted Jesus with all that I have.

[21:24] <HostBob> man-made religions find their own paths to God...

[21:24] <_stTimothy-VHL> what if.... the signs are so great form satin, and those of us who are so ready for christ, we get fooled

[21:24] <HostBob> but the Bible is God's communication to us to reveal the true way

[21:24] <Mytan-VHL> 12AMEN BOB!!!!

[21:24] <clint-VHL> True Bob.

[21:25] <applecheeks-VHL> 3how do you know which is the right faith

[21:25] <Mytan-VHL> 12He said stTimothy that satan would fool the very "elect" if he could.

[21:25] <hope-VHL> remember st Timothy......... it says that many will be fooled even the elect "IF that were possible"

[21:25] <HostBob> If we all by our own reasoning (apart from the Scriptures) dreamed up our own ideas about God, we would come up with many religions, many understandings of reality

[21:26] <HostBob> which is why He provided us with the Word of Truth

[21:26] <grizzman-VHL> got to go love you all in the name of our SAVIOR

[21:26] <HostBob> so we would KNOW

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[21:26] <clint-VHL> Absolutely Bob.

[21:26] <Mytan-VHL> 12Jesus Christ is the right faith and if they do not teach Him and Him crucified, then it is not true.

[21:26] <hope-VHL> Remember Christ describes EXACTLY the way He will return!

[21:26] <HostBob> Simple, apple - read the Bible, read it, read it some more, and accept what He has said

[21:26] <Mytan-VHL> 12Shalom Grizzman.

[21:26] <clint-VHL> Apple trust the Lord Jesus. You can't go wrong.:-)

[21:27] <applecheeks-VHL> 3please forgive me for asking where does it tell in the bible that which faith is the right way

[21:27] <HostBob> Good question apple!!

[21:27] <_stTimothy-VHL> well the way I look at it, I will stand up for the name of Jesus Christ, and Jesus, can Satan pretend to be Jesus, or make himself look like jesus to fool us?

[21:27] <HostBob> When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." (John 8:12 NIV)

[21:27] <hope-VHL> Jesus said " I am the way the truth and the life, NO MAN comes to the Father but by ME"

[21:28] <HostBob> I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." (John 6:51 NIV)

[21:28] <Mytan-VHL> 12His Word is the only standard, or measure, we use to test the spirits to see if they be of Him

[21:28] <HostBob> Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

[21:28] <HostBob> Jesus made many such claims

[21:28] <Mytan-VHL> 12That is why it is so important that we know, understand and stand by what His word says.

[21:29] <applecheeks-VHL> 3thank you i have studied many religions but always come to the same question which is right

[21:29] <clint-VHL> John 14:6 Jesus said "Iam the Way....."

[21:29] <HostBob> to be the only source of truth, and life - the one who came down from heaven to save us

[21:29] <applecheeks-VHL> 3i was raised a pentacostal as a child

[21:30] <Mytan-VHL> 12He is also the only one who has died, yet rose to live again, for etenity.

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[21:30] <HostBob> Here is what one eyewitness said, "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. (1 John 1:1-2 NIV)

[21:30] <clint-VHL> So was I apple. Mine was a bummer.

[21:30] <hope-VHL> I wouldn't worry too much about which "religion" is "right".......I would only concentrate on knowing JESUS Christ......

[21:30] <_stTimothy-VHL> so is it fair for satan to pretend to be Jesus? or do you think he will do that, He will probably want his own image and recignition?

[21:30] <jazene-VHL> 3I am back did I miss much?

[21:30] <Mytan-VHL> 12All the rest died but did not come back. Any remaining are made of wood and stone and what can they do?

[21:31] <clint-VHL> stTim He already does pretend.

[21:31] <HostBob> Welcome back

[21:31] <applecheeks-VHL> 3yes but religions teach that but i so bad want to do right i cry alot my heart is so heavy

[21:31] <Mytan-VHL> 12He already does make himself to be God. That is what he wants. To be God.

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[21:31] <_stTimothy-VHL> of course, clint, I knew that

[21:31] <jazene-VHL> 3All the rest of who died? What are we talking about

[21:32] <_stTimothy-VHL> But I ment in a much bigger way

[21:32] <hope-VHL> You know even the Muslims believe that Jesus was Holy and without sin..........

[21:32] <clint-VHL> Apple I understand how confusing it can be but believe me Jesus loves you, and wants you to be happy.

[21:32] <Mytan-VHL> 12Apple, you are speaking of "religions" and Jesus is not a religion, HE IS LIFE!!!

[21:32] <nega-VHL> 2http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/focus/mideast/ is an interesting place to go too... is in English

[21:32] <HostBob> Apple, that's how Jesus differs from all man-made religions - he alone has the solution to the darkness that we have seen inside us

[21:33] <Mytan-VHL> 12I will tell you later Jazene.

[21:33] <jazene-VHL> 3Thanks Mytan

[21:33] <clint-VHL> Thank G-D that He does care about the darkness.

[21:33] <_stTimothy-VHL> careful brothers and sister, it can be over whelming for all of you to instantly reply to a person about somthing they said, maybe without thinking it out first before typing

[21:33] <Mytan-VHL> 12But the Muslims do not believe He is God.

[21:33] <_stTimothy-VHL> I now it has been that way for me.

[21:34] <nega-VHL> 2or Jews..

[21:34] <HostBob> When Jesus came to earth, He said his mission was to "seek and to save those who are lost" - which describes all of us

[21:34] <jazene-VHL> 3And once you have accepted him his Light Shines Through You!!!

[21:34] <HostBob> His death provided the answer that no religion can - forgiveness for us

[21:35] <clint-VHL> Allah is not to be confused with the G-Dof Abraham, Issac and Israel and me. Allah is a false god of war. Never forget it church.

[21:35] <HostBob> and His resurrection provides the solution for the fear of death that hanged over us

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[21:35] <_stTimothy-VHL> I think apple understands what your saying, I of course am only sharing my opinion apple can speak up

[21:35] <applecheeks-VHL> 3well iam sorry must go good bye to you all and godbless everyone:-)

[21:35] <hope-VHL> Mytan, RIGHT, they do NOT believe that Jesus is God.......the point was that even they know that Jesus was without sin.......they look to their prophet Mohammed, which even they believe he was a sinner.......

[21:35] <Mytan-VHL> 12Amen Bob and Jazene. stTimothy we mean no harm. Only want to assist in Apple's understanding. It is a life and death matter.

[21:35] <jazene-VHL> 3It is kind of like when God had Moses tell all his people to put the blood above their doors.

[21:35] <_stTimothy-VHL> later apple

[21:35] <clint-VHL> Apple please come back again and in the meantime Pray.

[21:36] <_stTimothy-VHL> God Bless

[21:36] <Mytan-VHL> 12Yes hope and Mohammed died also.

[21:36] <HostBob> Bye apple, God bless you :)

[21:36] <nega-VHL> 2I am leaving too

[21:36] <jazene-VHL> 3Good nite apple and may God Bless.

[21:36] <nega-VHL> 2God bless y'all.

[21:36] <_stTimothy-VHL> nega, whats up?

[21:36] <clint-VHL> Bye Nega.

[21:36] <hope-VHL> My point was that Jesus has MORE than PROVEN that HE is the ONLY WAY......

[21:36] <HostBob> Already, Nega?

[21:36] <nega-VHL> 2Yep. I am tired today

[21:36] <_stTimothy-VHL> you comming back?, If not take good care and Gods care will be with you

[21:36] <Mytan-VHL> 12May God give you His understanding Apple.

[21:36] <jazene-VHL> 3Good nite Nega.

[21:36] <HostBob> Yes, Hope, He has proven it by his resurrection

[21:37] <HostBob> See ya Nega - Shalom to you :)

[21:37] <jazene-VHL> 3May God's peace go with you.

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[21:37] <clint-VHL> You are right Hope but when a person is confused it is hare to see the truth.

[21:37] <Mytan-VHL> 12Shalom Nega.

[21:37] <nega-VHL> 2Cya folks. Thanx. Bye.

[21:37] <applecheeks-VHL> 3i will be back again so many questions to be answered my heart is very heavy

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[21:37] <HostBob> Seek and you will find, Apple - it's God's promise :)

[21:37] <_stTimothy-VHL> Apple, if you desire, pray and Gods desire will come appon you

[21:38] <Mytan-VHL> 12I, we, will pray for your peace.

[21:38] <clint-VHL> I'll be praying for you apple as I'm sure everyone else will alkso.

[21:38] <_stTimothy-VHL> you will know without doubt, that you know that you know

[21:38] <HostBob> Apple, feel free to email me also

[21:38] <HostBob> with any questions

[21:38] <jazene-VHL> 3Look towards Jesus he will lead the way. The only way

[21:38] <clint-VHL> Good Bob.

[21:39] <applecheeks-VHL> 3thank you everyonebob what is your email

[21:39] <HostBob> Bob_Westbrook@ureach.com

[21:39] <hope-VHL> Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse anyone....it was never my intention.......I used the Muslim example because my husband IS a former Muslim........ Sorry

[21:39] <HostBob> that's ok, hope :)

[21:40] <hope-VHL> :-)

[21:40] <Mytan-VHL> 12No harm done Hope. We love you and know your intentions were good.:-)

[21:40] <clint-VHL> No prob. I wasn't confuse. I think we got conversations confused.:-(

[21:40] <jazene-VHL> 3No harm

[21:40] <hope-VHL> :-)

[21:40] <HostBob> News item from Jerusalem Post:

[21:40] <HostBob> - The Syrian Army has been upgrading its weaponry in preparation for a confrontation with Israel, according to Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Shaul Mofaz.

[21:40] <HostBob> "In recent years, the Syrian army has become stronger, not weaker," Mofaz said in an interview with The Jerusalem Post. "I wouldn't deride the Syrian army. I can tell you that [it] is under their Chief of General Staff Gen. Ali Aslan, and he is anything but lazy. He's very energetic, and he is doing a lot to increase the readiness and improve the quality of the Syrian army."

[21:41] <clint-VHL> Bob, I'm really concerned about our little sister.

[21:41] <applecheeks-VHL> 3thank you i recieved timothy:-)

[21:41] <_stTimothy-VHL> Your welcome

[21:41] <_stTimothy-VHL> < stay in the word and pray and just talk out loud to Jesus, he loves to talk with us

[21:42] <_stTimothy-VHL> clint, pray then it doesen't do any good to discuss anopthers situation

[21:42] <HostBob> Jesus excels in finding the lost seeker :)

[21:42] <_stTimothy-VHL> only in prayer or other confidential situations

[21:42] <clint-VHL> That's a fact.

[21:42] <Mytan-VHL> 12Goodnight all. May God's countenance shine upon you and bless you till we meet again, whether here or at home.

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[21:43] <HostBob> Bye, Mytan! Shalom!!!

[21:43] <HostBob> Welcome, Tiger!

[21:43] <hope-VHL> So Bob, when do you feel that Damascus will be destroyed???during the tribulation, before....does the Bible give any clue on this?

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[21:43] <Mytan-VHL> 12Jazene, will talk to later. Shalom Bob.

[21:43] <_stTimothy-VHL> Hi Tiger

[21:43] <HostBob> Hope, I think it will be before, that's my personal opinion

[21:43] <_stTimothy-VHL> is this poohs friend or pooh?

[21:43] <jazene-VHL> 3Me too guys it has been great. May the Lord pour out his spirt upon you all. See you next week.

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[21:43] <clint-VHL> stTim, I'm a pastor. Just my nature to be concerned about lost sheep.;-)

[21:43] <HostBob> I think it could happen very very soon, as a matter of fact

[21:43] <HostBob> See ya Jazene!

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[21:44] <HostBob> :) Clint

[21:44] <hope-VHL> Bye Jazene, God Bless you : )

[21:44] <_stTimothy-VHL> I appreciate that Clint, I am too but I did not want her/him to be hurt by somthing someone might say, apple might take it the wrong way and never come back'

[21:44] <clint-VHL> I too believe that Damascus will be destroyed before.

[21:45] <HostBob> Tell us your perspective on that, Clint - I'm interested in hearing it

[21:45] <HostBob> I've shared mine a few times here

[21:45] <clint-VHL> Agreed. No offense brother.:-)

[21:45] <_stTimothy-VHL> not that I'm a pastor, but I am a Child of God and I know how it feels to be the odd one on the block at times

[21:46] <HostBob> Good point, Tim, we don't want to bombard anyone :)

[21:46] <_stTimothy-VHL> God bless you Clint,

[21:46] <clint-VHL> I knew my big mouth would overload.:-)

[21:46] <HostBob> :)

[21:46] <_stTimothy-VHL> naw-

[21:46] <_stTimothy-VHL> so I'll lay off too,LOL

[21:47] <_stTimothy-VHL> It's great we all care about this person so much!!!!

[21:47] <HostBob> Another news item: Rhetoric heats up along border - PM promises harsher response to any future Hezbollah attacks

[21:47] <hope-VHL> GEEE am I the "little sister"?

[21:47] <HostBob> from Ha'aretz:

[21:47] <HostBob> As about 200 residents of Kiryat Shmona burned tires and chanted "blood for blood, a child for a child" - mocking Foreign Minister David Levy's warning to Lebanon - to protest their security situation, Prime Minister Ehud Barak said Israel will respond to further attacks by Hezbollah "as though there is no withdrawal plan" and would "set far harsher rules for our reaction" after the withdrawal.

[21:47] <_stTimothy-VHL> Gods love shines through even the deepest and darkest of fiber cable line,LOL

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[21:48] <HostBob> I don't know, hope, you are my sister, right? As to you being "little" well, I have no idea? LOL

[21:48] <_stTimothy-VHL> Yes Bob I read about that, today

[21:48] <clint-VHL> I really don't have much to add Bob. I do agree that Damascus will be destroyed and I believe it is one place that G-D has a special delivery for.

[21:48] <HostBob> Sorry, Hope, bad attempt at a joke :)

[21:49] <hope-VHL> Yeah I am Bob :-) but I guess no one can see that LOL

[21:49] <_stTimothy-VHL> hope do you have a web cam?

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[21:49] <clint-VHL> Hope you are my sister also as for as the "little", I ain't touching it.:-)

[21:49] <HostBob> LOL

[21:49] <HostBob> Wise man

[21:49] <HostBob> Welcome, Kitty!!!

[21:49] <hope-VHL> You guys are funny!!!

[21:49] <Kitty-VHL> Thank you, it is good to be back

[21:50] <hope-VHL> O.k let's get back on the subject!!! : )

[21:50] <_stTimothy-VHL> Hi Kitty, my second time here (sec wk)

[21:50] <HostBob> I had a little "fun" today - I went to the official PA website and put a few choice Scriptures on their guestbook :)

[21:50] <_stTimothy-VHL> PA web site?

[21:50] <HostBob> Palestinian Authority

[21:50] <HostBob> here is one thing I found there:

[21:50] <HostBob> From the official Palestinian National Authority website:

[21:50] <HostBob> Before this year is over, however, and whether or not we have reached an agreement on final status, we will proclaim our sovereignty on our occupied land, and declare Palestinian statehood on the territory occupied in 1967, with Holy Jerusalem as our capita

[21:50] <clint-VHL> Cool Bob, I never thought of that.LOL:-)

[21:50] <drb-VHL> Good work Bob!

[21:50] <_stTimothy-VHL> Uh- I see

[21:50] <Kitty-VHL> mine too, st Timothy

[21:51] <HostBob> :)

[21:51] <_stTimothy-VHL> Bob, is that you saying that or reading it from the PA web site?

[21:51] <HostBob> That was a quote from their site

[21:52] <_stTimothy-VHL> IC, thought you were getting a bit radical? LOL

[21:52] <_stTimothy-VHL> :-)

[21:52] <HostBob> :)

[21:52] <clint-VHL> It's easy to boast of anything.

[21:52] <_stTimothy-VHL> So who are the quiet countries, who we've not heard of much lately, and why, ?

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[21:53] <clint-VHL> Reality is something else, altogether.

[21:53] <HostBob> Welcome, Snow

[21:53] <HostBob> Yes, Clint

[21:53] <_stTimothy-VHL> The news seems pretty quiet,

[21:53] <HostBob> Jordan has been quiet, but I read some interesting stuff today..

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[21:53] <clint-VHL> Jerusalem is in the right hands.

[21:53] <_stTimothy-VHL> Tell us Bob, lead the way

[21:54] <HostBob> the citizens of Jordan seem much less inclined towards friendly relations with Israel than the official government stance

[21:54] <HostBob> for example, anyone in their trade unions or universities who associates with Israel is blacklisted

[21:54] <snow-VHL> Hello everyone, 2:-)I am a little late, as usual.

[21:54] <_stTimothy-VHL> anything comming out of Iraq or Iran or any place else? to be aware of...

[21:54] <HostBob> Good to see you, Snow!

[21:55] <clint-VHL> Really? I was under the impression from the news just the oposite

[21:55] <hope-VHL> Hi Snow!!! never too late! Not here that is! : )

[21:55] <_stTimothy-VHL> hi snow, this is honoring God from last week, I think I need to keep my original name,LOL so I don't have to remind people

[21:56] <Kitty-VHL> Hi Snow Iam just getting on to, and figure out the topic for tonight

[21:56] <HostBob> Yes, and remember that Jordan has a very large Palestinian population

[21:56] <_stTimothy-VHL> BRB

[21:56] <HostBob> Kitty, the topic is whatever you want it to be :)

[21:56] <_stTimothy-VHL> ok, had to read some mail

[21:56] <Kitty-VHL> sounds good to me

[21:56] <hope-VHL> Yeah, St Tim......keep your same name : )

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[21:57] <_stTimothy-VHL> Kitty, when do you think the 7 year peace treaty will be signed and why?

[21:57] <clint-VHL> Is there anyone who really believes that the palastinians are honorable in thier word?

[21:57] <hope-VHL> NO WAY CLINT

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[21:58] <_stTimothy-VHL> Thanks hope I'll do that next time

[21:58] <HostBob> Clint, it seems that "keeping your word" is view differently in western thought - Arabs (and this is not racist, just a cultural difference) look at it from a more "pragmatic" viewpoitn

[21:58] <Judy-VHL> 12Hello everyone

[21:58] <Kitty-VHL> I am unsure....if it is for seven years it will have to be before Tribulations starts, or , just before the rapture

[21:58] <HostBob> Hello, Judy!

[21:58] <clint-VHL> This is not about peace, it's about getting all the land away from G-D's people.

[21:58] <Kitty-VHL> hello Judy

[21:58] <snow-VHL> 2Hi Judy.

[21:58] <_stTimothy-VHL> Hi Judy

[21:58] <hope-VHL> Hi Judy, you were here last week right?????

[21:58] <Judy-VHL> 12How are you Bob?

[21:58] <HostBob> Doing well, Judy :)

[21:58] <_stTimothy-VHL> tiger, your oftly quiet

[21:58] <yaqquir-VHL> well... palastinian used to be in the old testament Philistine go figure

[21:58] <Judy-VHL> 12Yes, Hope. How are you? Please continue people and maybe I can catch up.

[21:59] <Kitty-VHL> I have wondered if this peace tready will lead up to the final one

[21:59] <_stTimothy-VHL> me too

[21:59] <Kitty-VHL> So many prophecies are coming to pass it can't be long

[21:59] <_stTimothy-VHL> I think it will

[21:59] <clint-VHL> Me too

[21:59] <hope-VHL> QUESTION?????? Why is it written G-D and not God?

[21:59] <_stTimothy-VHL> my guess is by jan one the main 7 yr peace treaty will be signed

[21:59] <HostBob> Yes, Yaq, interesting that the Palestinians have also identified themselves with the Philistines, even though there is not physical link, because they feel it gives them another claim to the land prior to the Jews

[21:59] <Kitty-VHL> The Bible says, when they say peace and saftey then sudden distruction will come

[22:00] <HostBob> I'm not so sure i would want to be identified with Goliath instead of David :)

[22:00] <clint-VHL> These problems started in Genesis and have continued and will continue until the final battle.

[22:00] <Kitty-VHL> G-D is written because the Jews feel that God's name is to sacred for them to completely spell out

[22:00] <clint-VHL> Not smart huh Bob?

[22:01] <HostBob> not smart at all

[22:01] <yaqquir-VHL> philistines seemed to be the main source of trouble for Israel in the old testament

[22:01] <HostBob> Because, as David said, He came in the name of the God of Israel

[22:01] <hope-VHL> My guess : ) is it would have to be confirmed in late October if it were going to be this year....that is if Christ is going to fulfill the Yom Kippur in 2007.......Just my thoughts : )

[22:02] <_stTimothy-VHL> If Jews feel this way, about Gods name, then Why don't they smarten' up and repent to see whats ahead of them, why is it the gentiles see it comming?

[22:02] <Kitty-VHL> I believe that we will see much unfold this year

[22:02] <clint-VHL> I was using G-D out of respect for any of our Jewish brethren.

[22:02] <HostBob> Yes, Yaq, I watched an interesting A&E documentary on the philistines the other day

[22:02] <Judy-VHL> 12St. Tim, not sure, but did God put blinders on Jews for a time?

[22:02] <Kitty-VHL> Because they Bible says, blindness hath happen in part to Israel

[22:03] <clint-VHL> Judy, read Romans.

[22:03] <hope-VHL> Thanks, I had no idea why it was written....... learn something every day! : )

[22:03] <_stTimothy-VHL> I've heard he did Judy, but is that time , now?

[22:03] <Kitty-VHL> the times of the Gentiles have not come to an end yet

[22:03] <Judy-VHL> 12Be more specific, Clint. I have read Romans quite awhile ago, but what part are you referring to?

[22:03] <_stTimothy-VHL> I have a Gut feeling somthing big will happen before the new year. just a gut renching feeling

[22:04] <HostBob> I'll be back in a minute - carry on..... :)

[22:04] <yaqquir-VHL> can't remember the website but it told how the Arabs before Mohamed wre cannibals

[22:04] <_stTimothy-VHL> I...I

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[22:04] <Judy-VHL> 12Clint?

[22:04] <hope-VHL> I don't know if I believe that Yaqquir.....

[22:05] <Judy-VHL> 12I've never heard that either.

[22:05] <clint-VHL> Sorry double checking my Bible. Chapter 11.

[22:05] <_stTimothy-VHL> can someone tell me about this Yaqquir? I'm not aware of this and it's importance

[22:05] <Kitty-VHL> 5Isn

[22:05] <clint-VHL> My fingers are slow. I'm old.:-)

[22:05] <Judy-VHL> 12What is it about? Causing the Jews to be blind, spiritually?

[22:05] <hope-VHL> About what St Tim

[22:05] <Judy-VHL> 12No problem Clint.

[22:05] <yaqquir-VHL> a lot of cultures believed in eating their enemy to gain their strength

[22:05] <Kitty-VHL> 5t I think it is the Jewish New Year

[22:05] <clint-VHL> Yes.

[22:05] <_stTimothy-VHL> what is ment by Yaqquir?

[22:06] <_stTimothy-VHL> and it takes place when again?

[22:06] <Judy-VHL> 12I will reread it. Thanks.

[22:06] <hope-VHL> You're not talking about Yom Kippur are you?

[22:06] <clint-VHL> You are certainly welcome.:-)

[22:06] <_stTimothy-VHL> yes I am

[22:06] <Kitty-VHL> 5yes, my mistake

[22:06] <Judy-VHL> 12I think it has taken place for hundreds of years now, St. Tim.

[22:06] <Judy-VHL> 12The spiritual blindness.

[22:07] <Judy-VHL> 12Of course, still, there are messianic Jews.

[22:07] <Kitty-VHL> 5Since the crucifixion

[22:07] <yaqquir-VHL> ancient hebrew means rare precious royalty my out look on Jesus

[22:07] <_stTimothy-VHL> Sorry I'm lost.... Yom Kippur is the Jewish new year? if so when did it or does it take place

[22:07] <Judy-VHL> 12Ok, 2,000 years then. Thanks Kitty.

[22:07] <Kitty-VHL> 5When the Jews rejected Christ, he then went to the Gentile world

[22:07] <clint-VHL> The Spiritual blindness has taken place since Jesus walked in Jerusalem.

[22:07] <_stTimothy-VHL> and what relavence might this have on the final peace treaty, anyone..?

[22:07] <Kitty-VHL> 5October I think

[22:08] <clint-VHL> But we ex-gentiles should never be big headed.:-)

[22:08] <Judy-VHL> 12But, how wonderful that God has not abandoned His children for all time.

[22:08] <hope-VHL> Yom kippur which means " day of Atonement" occurs on the 10th day of the Jewish month of Tishri (sept/oct) the seventh month in the Jewish calendar. It was the supreme Jewish "holy day" the time of national atonement for sin......St Tim

[22:08] <Kitty-VHL> 5God's time table is based upon the Jewish calendar

[22:08] <snow-VHL> 2drb, aren't you the one I was telling about tonights talk?

[22:08] <Judy-VHL> 12He will appoint the 144,000 to evangelize.

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[22:08] <Kitty-VHL> 5This will happen during the tribulation period

[22:08] <clint-VHL> That is one theory, Judy.

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[22:09] <_stTimothy-VHL> Thanks hope:-)

[22:09] <drb-VHL> yes...snow

[22:09] <Kitty-VHL> 5They will all be Jewish the 144,000

[22:09] <Judy-VHL> 12What is your theory, Clint. I believe the 144,000 are definitely Jews.

[22:09] <clint-VHL> Judy, you haven't talked to any Jehovah's Witness lately, huh?

[22:09] <Judy-VHL> 1212,000 each from the 12 tribes.

[22:09] <clint-VHL> I agree. but some folks don't.

[22:10] <hope-VHL> The point from earlier that we were discussing was, if Jesus was going to fulfill the FINAL day of Atonement or Yom Kippur on the final day of the 7 year period......since He fulfilled the Passover on His first

[22:10] <Kitty-VHL> 5The Jehovah's witnesses have already gone over the mark

[22:10] <Judy-VHL> 12Yes, I know what they believe and I believe they are wrong. No one replaces God's chosen.

[22:10] <_stTimothy-VHL> Will CNN be carring these events on the news do you think? it would be so cool to hear on the news the exact things the bible says will happen as far as numbers etc

[22:10] <hope-VHL> You're welcome St. Tim......

[22:10] <Kitty-VHL> 5No one

[22:10] <clint-VHL> You got it.

[22:10] <snow-VHL> 2So how are you liking it so far?

[22:10] <clint-VHL> Judy, you like to stir the pot.

[22:11] <clint-VHL> Don't you?

[22:11] <clint-VHL> :-)

[22:11] <Kitty-VHL> 5st Timothy I hope I am out of here when CNN begans to cover

[22:11] <drb-VHL> snow....very interesting...some wonderful people

[22:11] <Judy-VHL> 12St Tim, I think that CNN is already airing God's prophecies.

[22:11] <_stTimothy-VHL> anyone have an opinion as to the mark of the beast, how it might take form? or will we be raptured by then

[22:11] <Kitty-VHL> 5I do to Judy

[22:11] <clint-VHL> Yes but they don't know it Judy.

[22:11] <Judy-VHL> 12What do you mean Clint? Are you a Jehovah's Witness? If you are, no offense, but still have my beliefs.

[22:12] <_stTimothy-VHL> I would like CNN to know that they are

[22:12] <Kitty-VHL> 5But when the tribulation is covered I believe we will be gone

[22:12] <drb-VHL> I pray we are raptured by then!!!!

[22:12] <clint-VHL> No Just kidding you. You seem to be a friendly instigator.:-)

[22:12] <Judy-VHL> 12Unbelievers are blind though, also. The world doesn't understand.

[22:12] <Kitty-VHL> 5I think when the Pope dies we can look out

[22:12] <snow-VHL> 2I think the christian people will be raptured before the mark of the beast.

[22:13] <clint-VHL> I am a born again Christian.

[22:13] <drb-VHL> amen

[22:13] <Kitty-VHL> 5Things will happen fast

[22:13] <Judy-VHL> 12Great Clint, glad to meet another brother in Christ.

[22:13] <clint-VHL> Kitty, I think you have something there.

[22:13] <Judy-VHL> 12I am your sister.

[22:13] <_stTimothy-VHL> things seem to be happening pretty fast. If we have 1,250 days and 7 year peace treaty and wars and rapture, it's going to be either along ways off or very tight timing

[22:13] <snow-VHL> 2Amen clint, so am I.

[22:13] <Kitty-VHL> 5God says, when He begans He will make a speedy end

[22:13] <clint-VHL> Me too, Sister.

[22:14] <HostBob> I'm back :)

[22:14] <Judy-VHL> 12Feel bad for Jehovah's Witness'. They work too hard for their salvation.

[22:14] <clint-VHL> You missed it Bob. We had a great time.:-)

[22:14] <HostBob> Yeah, I scrolled back :)

[22:14] <_stTimothy-VHL> Hey Bob, glad your back Judy and Clint had to be pulled apart,LOL (just kidding)

[22:14] <HostBob> LOL

[22:14] <_stTimothy-VHL> :-)

[22:15] <Judy-VHL> 12Gee, I missed it.

[22:15] <clint-VHL> Yes and that is exactly what they are doing . Working for thier salvation. Won't work. No pun intended.:-)

[22:15] <HostBob> I think it's interesting to get together like this with other believers....

[22:15] <Judy-VHL> 12Didn't even know that I was stirring up trouble this time.

[22:15] <HostBob> because we see that others don't have the same pre-conceived notions that we do

[22:15] <clint-VHL> Me too Judy.:-):-(

[22:16] <_stTimothy-VHL> LOL, jsut given' ya- a hard time of it, from a brother in Christ, we can still joke around, God loves humor

[22:16] <hope-VHL> Don't woryy Judy, I always thought that the 144,000 are Jews too...... : )

[22:16] <Kitty-VHL> 5They are

[22:16] <Kitty-VHL> 5The Bible plainely tells us that

[22:16] <snow-VHL> 2Yes, I think they are working for their salvation.

[22:16] <Judy-VHL> 12I truly believe that they are. Most sensible conclusion.

[22:16] <_stTimothy-VHL> convicted souls, I love it...

[22:17] <HostBob> Yes, it seems clear they are, but whether they are evangelists, I don't know - it didn't say that explicitly

[22:17] <rain-VHL> stTimothy - you asked about the mark of the beast ... I think we are being "trained" already ... we have the Digital Angel under the guise of helping to find missing animals, people, children etc. We are already living in a "cashless" society - charge cards, debit cards, the "coupon-less cards at the grocery stores...

[22:17] <clint-VHL> Bob, Do you mean that it is possible that we Christian could have pre-conceived notions that just might be wrong?:-(

[22:17] <_stTimothy-VHL> Kitty and Judy go girls.....

[22:17] <hope-VHL> Oh, right, I don't think they'll be evangelizing! : )

[22:17] <_stTimothy-VHL> oh- and a right hook from clint to Bob....

[22:17] <Judy-VHL> 1212,000 from each of the 12 tribes. Besides, no one could ever replace the Jews in God's eye. The apple of His eye.

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[22:17] <Kitty-VHL> 5Right

[22:18] <HostBob> sure, clint :) not on the basics, of course - the deity of Christ, and so forth - if we deny them then we are not Christians....

[22:18] <Kitty-VHL> 5This will happen after the church is gone

[22:18] <HostBob> but we all have plenty of "traditional" ideas that may or may not have a legit basis in the Scriptures

[22:18] <_stTimothy-VHL> so no matter how much I love God, god will love Jews more, even in heaven or will we all be equal?

[22:18] <snow-VHL> 2I'm with you Judy.

[22:18] <clint-VHL> I know it brother, that was certainly tongue in cheek.:-)

[22:19] <Kitty-VHL> 5We become grafted into the same tree with the Jews

[22:19] <HostBob> I know :)

[22:19] <Judy-VHL> 12Why not hope? Why won't the 144,000 be spreading the word? Last ditch effort.

[22:19] <Kitty-VHL> 5when we become chirstians

[22:19] <yaqquir-VHL> I agree Bob have found myself guity of that

[22:19] <HostBob> But you gave me a chance to "soapbox" LOL

[22:19] <HostBob> And I just turned "soapbox" into a verb :)

[22:20] <_stTimothy-VHL> Nice job Bob...LOL

[22:20] <HostBob> :)

[22:20] <Judy-VHL> 12Rain, so right about bringing everything upon us gradually, (like they really care about my lost dog!!!!!). And do you notice? Everything is always for our own good!!

[22:20] <hope-VHL> Judy.....I think the 144,000 will be Jews that FINALLY come to realize that Jesus is the pierced one that was written about, their Messiah......at that time, they'll be hiding....my thoughts! : )

[22:20] <clint-VHL> I believe that the 144,000 will certainly be spreading the Gospel just as all believers are to spread the Gospel. I am just not clear that they will be evangelists, as we know them.

[22:21] <Judy-VHL> 12Well, I know that the two witness' will be telling the world.

[22:21] <_stTimothy-VHL> I wish someone could lay out for me the way they think things will happen from this point on, for example, the very next thing of really major importance will happen is rapure, then the peace treaty sighned and broken then war etc.

[22:21] <Kitty-VHL> 5They may not be around holding revivals but they will be spreading the Word

[22:21] <snow-VHL> 2Hope, I agree.

[22:21] <Judy-VHL> 12But isn't evangelizing, spreading the Word?

[22:21] <Kitty-VHL> 5Yes

[22:22] <Judy-VHL> 12:-p

[22:22] <HostBob> OK - here's a trivia question for you - where are the 2 witnesses that Judy talked about described in the Old Testament?

[22:22] <HostBob> Judy, there ya go again LOL

[22:22] <hope-VHL> Yeah, Judy, but when you are the prime target of the antichrist, you will be pretty low key, I would assume... : )

[22:22] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh Oh

[22:22] <HostBob> good point :)

[22:22] <clint-VHL> You got me, I'm wounded.:-)

[22:22] <HostBob> LOL

[22:22] <Judy-VHL> 12In OLD? Wow, don't know.

[22:22] <rain-VHL> My daughter recorded a special on A&E about the lost tribes ... it was Amen Judy ... My daughter recorded a documentary in which a couple of Israeli's researched and searched and found people in very unlikely places that trace their heritage back to the 12 tribes of Israel. They found these people with sacred items like prayer shawls, Seder plates and dishware and with Jewish traditions -- making matzah over open fires.

[22:22] <Kitty-VHL> 5Revelation

[22:22] <_stTimothy-VHL> BRB, allie is getting into stuff, MOMs cooking dinner

[22:23] <HostBob> Yes, Rain, I saw that

[22:23] <HostBob> The two witnesses are somewhat vaguely mentioned in Zechariah, I believe

[22:23] <clint-VHL> Rain, God knows exactly where all 12 tribes are.

[22:23] <Judy-VHL> 12But they may do their work prior to the mid point. When the antichrist is still half way decent, or so the world thinks.

[22:23] <yaqquir-VHL> would it be the two witnesse in Exodus?

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[22:24] <HostBob> to what are you referring, Yaq?

[22:24] <hope-VHL> Bob, Mal. 3:1; 4:5

[22:24] <clint-VHL> Judy, where did you get your knowledge of the Word?:-)

[22:24] <clint-VHL> You keep me digging.

[22:25] <HostBob> Here's the clue....

[22:25] <yaqquir-VHL> of the ten who went recon the promised land?

[22:25] <clint-VHL> Not that that is hard to do.:-)

[22:25] <HostBob> And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." (Revelation 11:3 NIV)

[22:25] <HostBob> These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. (Revelation 11:4 NIV)

[22:25] <HostBob> and now...

[22:25] <Kitty-VHL> 5Right

[22:25] <hope-VHL> ....Behold I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible Day of the Lord....

[22:25] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh oh, did I say something wrong, Clint. Actually, I read it and listen to a few favorite scholars. Grant Jeffrey, Jack Van Impe, etc...

[22:25] <HostBob> Also there are two olive trees by it, one on the right of the bowl and the other on its left." (Zechariah 4:3 NIV)

[22:25] <Kitty-VHL> 5They will be killed and lay in the street for 3 days

[22:25] <hope-VHL> Mal. 3:1 4:5

[22:26] <HostBob> I asked the angel who talked with me, "What are these, my lord?" (Zechariah 4:4 NIV)

[22:26] <HostBob> He answered, "Do you not know what these are?" "No, my lord," I replied. (Zechariah 4:5 NIV)

[22:26] <clint-VHL> Oh know. It is great. You make me think.:-)

[22:26] <HostBob> Then I asked the angel, "What are these two olive trees on the right and the left of the lampstand?" (Zechariah 4:11 NIV)

[22:26] <HostBob> Again I asked him, "What are these two olive branches beside the two gold pipes that pour out golden oil?" (Zechariah 4:12 NIV)

[22:26] <HostBob> He replied, "Do you not know what these are?" "No, my lord," I said. (Zechariah 4:13 NIV)

[22:26] <HostBob> So he said, "These are the two who are anointed to serve the Lord of all the earth." (Zechariah 4:14 NIV)

[22:27] <hope-VHL> AWESOME Bob! :-)

[22:27] <clint-VHL> Bob, you got some fast fingers my man.

[22:27] <HostBob> And.. in the context....

[22:27] <Judy-VHL> 12Would have never guessed that to be the witnesses. Sometimes, I just can't get what is being said to me.

[22:27] <HostBob> (cut and paste, Clint :)

[22:27] <hope-VHL> Speedy Gonzalez!

[22:27] <snow-VHL> 2Bob, have you read the series" Left Behind" by Tim LaHaye?

[22:28] <Judy-VHL> 12Not that I have read Zechariah yet, though.

[22:28] <HostBob> in the context is the rebuilding of the Temple

[22:28] <HostBob> no, I have not, snow

[22:28] <clint-VHL> Brother I can't flip pages in my Bible and type that fast.:-)

[22:28] <rain-VHL> and the returning of the lost tribes to Israel

[22:29] <HostBob> Online Bibles are a great thing to have - I highly recommend them :)

[22:29] <_stTimothy-VHL> ok

[22:30] <_stTimothy-VHL> I have a question..... I've heard people say tonight that christians will have to go underground. what does this mean

[22:30] <HostBob> Did you know that there is prophecy in Zechariah that told the name of the Messiah would be Jesus?

[22:30] <Judy-VHL> 12You know what part I love? (in the Bible) The transfiguration. It's a picture of the rapture and the resurrection. AND He says "after the sixth day...."

[22:30] <snow-VHL> 2I have read all six books and waiting for the next one due out this month. They are about the rapture and tells a story about these people that are left behind and how everything will be with the anti chris etc. Very good book.

[22:30] <Kitty-VHL> 5because of persecution

[22:30] <hope-VHL> WHere Bob?

[22:30] <clint-VHL> yES bOB BUT i CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE IT IS EXACTLY.

[22:31] <_stTimothy-VHL> so because of persicution,Kitty we will be underground?

[22:31] <snow-VHL> 2oops, anti christ.

[22:31] <HostBob> 2 places ... here's one....

[22:31] <Kitty-VHL> 5some think it could come to that

[22:31] <_stTimothy-VHL> you mean underground as in?

[22:31] <Judy-VHL> 12What does it say specifically Bob? Or just tell us where.

[22:31] <Kitty-VHL> 5hiding

[22:31] <Judy-VHL> 12We can look it up.

[22:31] <hope-VHL> Judy, where does it say about "after the sixth day? just wondering

[22:31] <HostBob> Take the silver and gold and make a crown, and set it on the head of the high priest, Joshua son of Jehozadak. Tell him this is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Here is the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of the LORD. (Zechariah 6:11-12 NIV)

[22:31] <_stTimothy-VHL> hiding, you mean we won't have jobs or houses or cars?

[22:32] <HostBob> Joshua - whose "name is the Branch" (a Messianic title)

[22:32] <_stTimothy-VHL> at this point,Kitty

[22:32] <Kitty-VHL> 5if and when this does happen, no

[22:32] <HostBob> Joshua = Yeshua = Jesus

[22:32] <clint-VHL> Thanks Bob for the refresher.:-)

[22:32] <HostBob> :)

[22:32] <Kitty-VHL> 5America is hard to follow in prophecy

[22:32] <hope-VHL> COOOOL!

[22:32] <Kitty-VHL> 5so many different opinions

[22:32] <HostBob> and here is another one

[22:32] <clint-VHL> Kitty you are so right.

[22:32] <_stTimothy-VHL> LOL,Bob

[22:33] <Judy-VHL> 12I think that the transfiguration is in Matthew chapter 17, HOPE. Right before He gets into it, He says, and after the sixth day, He went up into the mountain........

[22:33] <HostBob> a little less specfic...

[22:33] <HostBob> "'Listen, O high priest Joshua and your associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come: I am going to bring my servant, the Branch. (Zechariah 3:8 NIV)

[22:33] <Kitty-VHL> 5six days he created heaven and earth and rested the seventh

[22:33] <HostBob> And the next verse has a promise to Israel...

[22:33] <HostBob> See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone, and I will engrave an inscription on it,' says the LORD Almighty, 'and I will remove the sin of this land in a single day. (Zechariah 3:9 NIV)

[22:34] <_stTimothy-VHL> has anyone seen the movie tribulation with Gary Buisy

[22:34] <Judy-VHL> 12Kitty, I believe that Canada, the US, Australia, are all referred to as the young lions in scripture.

[22:34] <Kitty-VHL> 5in the book of Hebrews it says there remaineth therefore a day of rest

[22:34] <Kitty-VHL> 5could be

[22:34] <Kitty-VHL> 5I thought perhaps they were too

[22:34] <clint-VHL> Judy, you may be right.

[22:34] <Judy-VHL> 12Yeah, St Timothy. Saw all three of those movies.

[22:35] <Kitty-VHL> 5some believe that Russia might put the US out of business

[22:35] <Judy-VHL> 12Liked the second one the best.

[22:35] <hope-VHL> You know I asked that Judy, because if we go by the SEALS in the Revelation.....when He opens the SIXTH seal, that is when (I believe) the Rapture takes place, RIGHT before the Day of the Lord, or the Wrath of God.....Rev. 6:12

[22:35] <Kitty-VHL> 5It says in the day of Israel's trouble she will stand alone

[22:35] <_stTimothy-VHL> Judy, how real to life do you think those movies portray the end times?

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[22:35] <clint-VHL> But there doesn't seem to be anything specific about America.

[22:35] <Kitty-VHL> 5I know Clint

[22:36] <Judy-VHL> 12I'm a pre tribber, always will be, I think. But repect other opinions, Hope.

[22:36] <yaqquir-VHL> Bob the two witnesses I was thiking of were Joshua and Caleb sort of forrunners of the ones in Revelations

[22:36] <Kitty-VHL> 5st Timothy I know you ask Judy this question but I don't think they really tell the whole story

[22:36] <clint-VHL> Hope I believe that "The Day of The Lord" refers to Jesus second coming.

[22:36] <Judy-VHL> 12I'm not sure. Like Left Behind books better, as far as reality goes, St. Tim

[22:36] <HostBob> Interesting, Yaq - I had not thought of that before

[22:36] <hope-VHL> Oh, that's o.k. I used to be a pre-triber too, for 33 years to be exact........

[22:36] <Kitty-VHL> 5It refers to the tribulation period Clint

[22:37] <hope-VHL> Clint, SO DO I......

[22:37] <clint-VHL> Kitty, ???

[22:37] <Judy-VHL> 12Right KITTY, moves too fast. Not chronological, or stuck on same happenings or something.

[22:38] <snow-VHL> 2Yes, I would diffinitely suggest you all read the "Left Behind "series.

[22:38] <Kitty-VHL> 5The day of the Lord is described as a day of darkness

[22:38] <_stTimothy-VHL> So, has anyone answeared the quetion about the heavens, thre being a 1st 2ond and 3rd?

[22:38] <Kitty-VHL> 5I heard just last night how good they were

[22:38] <_stTimothy-VHL> I have the 1st series on CD of Left behind

[22:38] <HostBob> You know, with all of the "hot" topics we discuss here, I appreciate the maturity level I see each week - there is rarely a problem with people getting "heated" with each other.

[22:38] <clint-VHL> Yes, but I believe that the "Day of the Lord" is after the tribulations. Immediately after.

[22:39] <Kitty-VHL> 5the heavens above are the first then there is the second the out space and then there is the 3 heaven where God is

[22:39] <Judy-VHL> 12St Tim, I believe there are three heavens, or atmospheres. Jack Van Impe refers to it.

[22:39] <yaqquir-VHL> I sort of feel that the time in the wilderness and entering into the Promised land also might be a forerunner for the Church also just mt opiinon

[22:39] <_stTimothy-VHL> Thats where I heard it from

[22:39] <clint-VHL> Snow, I have read the entire series. Good fiction.

[22:39] <Judy-VHL> 12I always have thought that the Day of the Lord was His second coming

[22:39] <HostBob> Yes, the "1st heaven" may be the sky and atmosphere, right?

[22:39] <rain-VHL> continue reading in Zech 6:13

[22:40] <Judy-VHL> 12Yeah, right bob

[22:40] <Judy-VHL> 12oops Bob

[22:40] <HostBob> according to the Biblical terminology of "the heavens"

[22:40] <hope-VHL> Well Clint, I believe the Day of the Lord is literally HIS day, when HE gets to bring judgment.......we will be raptured right before, but the day of the Lord doesn't begin UNTIL the SIXTH seal....

[22:40] <_stTimothy-VHL> that's a long way to rapture

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[22:40] <Judy-VHL> 12Second is where astronauts go, and third Jesus resides in.

[22:40] <Kitty-VHL> 5The OT describes it as a day of darkness Judy and all referance to it does the same sounds like it is the tribulation period for it is called the day of Jacob's trouble

[22:40] <HostBob> Yes, that's how I have heard it explained also, Judy

[22:41] <HostBob> Welcome, Incense!!1

[22:41] <_stTimothy-VHL> oh so Jesus is not in the 3rd heaven with GOD?

[22:41] <HostBob> good to see you!

[22:41] <Judy-VHL> 12Isn't Jacob's trouble 2nd half of trib?

[22:41] <Kitty-VHL> 5Yes He is st Timothy

[22:41] <Judy-VHL> 12Just throwing out ideas, Kitty.

[22:41] <incense11> thanks Bob, and nice to be here

[22:41] <Kitty-VHL> 5He is with God

[22:41] <HostBob> Yes, Timothy, Paul said he was caught up to "the 3rd heaven" which is what we commonly refer to as "heaven"

[22:41] <yaqquir-VHL> have heard that hte second heaven referred to as the place of the prince of persia

[22:41] <Judy-VHL> 12Yes, Tim, He's there.

[22:41] <snow-VHL> 2So Clint , do you think Tim's idea of rapture and all could be the way it might be?

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[22:42] <Judy-VHL> 12Hey SNOW, I've read all the teen books too. You?

[22:42] <HostBob> Hello, Dovecry!

[22:42] <clint-VHL> We just have one of Bob's (pre-conceived) notions. Don't we. :-)

[22:42] <incense11> I heard 1st is our atmosphere, 2nd is where the stars is and is satans area, and 3rd is where God lives

[22:42] <HostBob> I see that late-nighters are joing us now :)

[22:42] <Judy-VHL> 12HEY DOVECRY! IT'S ME! LOVE YA!

[22:42] <HostBob> yeah, Clint :)

[22:43] <Kitty-VHL> 5incense 11 that is what I beleive

[22:43] <dovecry-VHL> Hello! Shalom! Love! from Calif.

[22:43] <HostBob> Go ahead - I like to have my notions smashed by the Scriptures if they don't match :)

[22:43] <incense11> Shalom dovecry from TN

[22:43] <Judy-VHL> 12How you doing, girl?

[22:43] <_stTimothy-VHL> dovery, where ya from in calif? I'm in Santa Rosa

[22:43] <dovecry-VHL> Love Ya, too Judy. sorry, I missed most of the chat.

[22:44] <snow-VHL> 2No Judy, I haven't read the teen books, I just assumed they were like the regular books , just more on the teen level.:-)

[22:44] <hope-VHL> I think in this day and age that we live, we need to really study our bibles, and not be so caught up with what we've been taught!!! we need to search scriptures OURSELVES!!

[22:44] <clint-VHL> This is great guys, I really mean it, but our opinions are quite varied, aren't they. I am glad we can discuss them.:-)

[22:44] <hope-VHL> AMEN BOB

[22:44] <Judy-VHL> 12Well, came in a little late, like about two hours.

[22:44] <HostBob> Amen Amen Amen, hope!

[22:45] <Judy-VHL> 12I'm finding myself wishing we were discussing all of this in my family room with coffee and donuts.

[22:45] <dovecry-VHL> I'm a Fire Burning for The LORD, YES>

[22:45] <incense11> Amen Judy

[22:45] <HostBob> I have said this before, but we all pay way to much attention to the spiritual "bigshots"

[22:45] <_stTimothy-VHL> AMAN Judy

[22:45] <_stTimothy-VHL> I'm ready for that

[22:45] <dovecry-VHL> What are we discussing?:-O

[22:45] <hope-VHL> I LOVE donuts JUDY! : )

[22:45] <snow-VHL> 2Sounds good to me, coffee and donuts. Yum.:->

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[22:46] <Kitty-VHL> 5The Bible says, Study to show yourself approved unto God, rightly dividing the Word of Truth

[22:46] <HostBob> Welcome, Leon! Shalom!

[22:46] <clint-VHL> Hope , you are correct. I was brought up in an Pentecostal church (nothing wrong with Pentecostals, I love them) and I grew up confused.

[22:46] <incense11> who we listening to Bob.....

[22:46] <hope-VHL> Like JACK VAN IMPE! give me a break!

[22:46] <Judy-VHL> 12I could be guilty of that one Bob, but shoot!!! They seem to make sooooo much sense. Atleast the ones that I choose to listen to.

[22:46] <incense11> I listened to him for long time, but God moved me on to others.

[22:46] <_stTimothy-VHL> Hope ,do you think Jack Van Impe is for real with the scripture quoting?

[22:47] <hope-VHL> Yeah, but if everyone is sooooo stuck on this pretrib thing....like I used to be......WHAT IF IT's WRONG!!!!, which I believe it is......

[22:47] <Kitty-VHL> 5Clint I grew up in the Church of God for 40 years, I have been serving God and He is still straightening me out

[22:47] <HostBob> Well, Judy, what I see is lots of wackiness creeping into the church, that seems to be proliferated by certain people that many listen to

[22:47] <_stTimothy-VHL> Forgive me, if I sound like I'm doubting another brothern

[22:47] <Judy-VHL> 12Yes, I like Jack. I think he is very intelligent. There are others very good too.

[22:47] <clint-VHL> Me too Kitty.:-)

[22:47] <incense11> hope....I have been hearing also might be different, but if we ready it doesn't matter

[22:47] <Kitty-VHL> 5:-)

[22:47] <Judy-VHL> 12In the church? I agree about the wackiness.

[22:48] <Leon-VHL> Shalom to you in the name of Y'shua!

[22:48] <hope-VHL> I think Jack Van Impe is afraid to step on too many toes.........walking the fence so to speak......luke warm.....

[22:48] <Kitty-VHL> 5I think Jack is for real

[22:48] <Judy-VHL> 12That's why I don't attend at moment. Had a shocker at church I was last at.

[22:48] <incense11> I think he's real also, just doesn't have all the truth

[22:48] <clint-VHL> Bob, I whole heartedly agree with you. There is a lot of whackiness creeping in. Like "Replacement theology" for one.

[22:48] <rain-VHL> In the end times there will be a delusion sent by God and a great falling away of the church... the path is narrow not wide

[22:48] <Judy-VHL> 12Sometimes, Hope. Not often though. He's a loving Christian.

[22:49] <hope-VHL> AMEN RAIN!

[22:49] <Kitty-VHL> 5We must all know the scriptures

[22:49] <HostBob> Yes, Clint - it's sad that so many are ill-informed of the Bible that they eat up any subtly weird doctrine that comes along

[22:49] <Kitty-VHL> 5In knowing for ourselves we are safe

[22:49] <incense11> ....but rain...latter day rain will be GREATER than the former, so there also has to be more of God, Spirit, Healing, Saviing, etc.

[22:49] <Judy-VHL> 12I'm trying KITTY>

[22:49] <Kitty-VHL> 5me too

[22:50] <Judy-VHL> 12To know the scriptures.

[22:50] <Kitty-VHL> 5the latter rain started 2000 years ago

[22:50] <hope-VHL> I'm sick of people being afraid to stand up for Christ....to EVERYONE......Jesus sure wasn't afraid to step on toes....

[22:50] <rain-VHL> God wants us to know His Word so we are not led astray - He answers our questions and calms our doubts if we pray and read His Word

[22:50] <Judy-VHL> 12I read so much, I don't know where I read things.

[22:50] <Kitty-VHL> 5on the day of Pentecost

[22:50] <HostBob> Like for example, incense, the "latter rain" teaching - that is a total misappropriation of Joels prophecy

[22:50] <_stTimothy-VHL> I've Got a question for you all.

[22:51] <Judy-VHL> 12But HOPE, He was gentle most times and always loving, except to the Pharisees

[22:51] <Kitty-VHL> 5go

[22:51] <Leon-VHL> Go,

[22:51] <HostBob> But so many teach these things that they are commonly accepted

[22:51] <clint-VHL> As I said before I was raised Pentecostal. Bob please expound on the "Latter Rain Doctrine".

[22:51] <_stTimothy-VHL> My brother told me of a guy he use to work with, he is a christian, and everyone knows it because of the way he lives his life, but he never says anything to anyone at work about his believe

[22:51] <HostBob> yes, Tim?

[22:52] <_stTimothy-VHL> in Christ, my brother says it's because of his personality that he is shy and doesen't like to talk to others

[22:52] <incense11> why would it not be?

[22:52] <Kitty-VHL> 5I believe the very life we read are epistles read of all men

[22:52] <HostBob> OK - just a sec - let's get tim's question first

[22:52] <clint-VHL> OK.

[22:53] <_stTimothy-VHL> about Christ, but I tend to think that we should be stand up christians and speak out of our love for Christ

[22:53] <_stTimothy-VHL> even at risk of ridicule

[22:53] <clint-VHL> You can be a moral person and not be a Christian.

[22:53] <hope-VHL> Of course, we need to be loving......BUT EVEN if it means hurting someone, by speaking the TRUTH, we need to do it.....we would hurt people more by allowing them to continue in their sin........for example on the Jack Van Impe.....he knows that by "works" we do NOT get to heaven, and yet he GLORIFIES the POPE to everyone.....that is WRONG

[22:53] <Kitty-VHL> 5Our lifestyle is an example more than our words

[22:53] <incense11> we should be stand up Christians st Timothy, but also your actions SPEAK louder than words

[22:54] <HostBob> We should do both, live it and speak it - that's what the disciples did

[22:54] <clint-VHL> Just being a nice person is not a sign of being a Christian.

[22:54] <HostBob> but remember we all have different callings, different emphases, different kinds of ministries

[22:54] <clint-VHL> Couldn't say it better, Bob.

[22:54] <Kitty-VHL> 5the Bible teaches us that there is a time and place for all things

[22:54] <snow-VHL> 2The life he lives in front of them is a testimony, some jobs don't wont their employees talking about these things

[22:55] <_stTimothy-VHL> ok, so if for the reason of shyness /personality people like us or respect us more for not "shuving" God down peoples throats

[22:55] <Leon-VHL> Some times some are chosen to do other things in Y'shua plan.

[22:55] <Kitty-VHL> 5one scripture says, study to be quiet and do your own business

[22:55] <incense11> Amen Bob

[22:55] <clint-VHL> Snow in the last days it will be dangerous to speak of Christ.

[22:55] <Kitty-VHL> 5many ways to let the world know you are a christian

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[22:55] <HostBob> Tim, Jesus said, don't be surprised if the world hates you

[22:55] <HostBob> because they hated me first

[22:56] <HostBob> in fact, he said "woe" to you if everyone speaks well of you

[22:56] <Kitty-VHL> 5attitude speaks louder than words

[22:56] <hope-VHL> One thing is shoving it down their throats and another thing is atleast OFFERING it to them........we need to plant the seed, but most Christians aren't even doing THAT MUCH

[22:56] <_stTimothy-VHL> Ok Bob I read that too, even our own blood

[22:56] <Judy-VHL> 12You know what though guys? I'm going to be completely honest here. Many people in the church say, a christian should not walk into a bar and if he is seen by another christian, that looks bad. I say, tough! If my friend is there and I want to talk Jesus to him, I'm going in. (does this have anything to do with what we are talking about? Not sure now. LOL)

[22:57] <_stTimothy-VHL> but you see I've been told a very important thing hope, perception is everything to the other person who may be "offended" if we mention Christ

[22:57] <clint-VHL> Good for you Judy.:-)

[22:57] <hope-VHL> GO for it JUDY!!!!

[22:57] <HostBob> Yes, we should not force the gospel on anyone or be annoying or obnoxious or offensive ourselves - but the gospel itself is offensive to some

[22:57] <hope-VHL> Sorry, tim....I don't understand what you mean

[22:57] <clint-VHL> We should be bold in Christ but not obtrusive.

[22:58] <Judy-VHL> 12That Christian is already headed for the presence of Christ, but my friend may burn because I am too concerned with appearances. You know?

[22:58] <clint-VHL> You are right Bob. It is offensive to many.

[22:58] <incense11> Millions are spending Millions of Dollars on crystals, fortune telling, etc. looking to FILL the spot only God can, we need to Share, but Holy Spirit will tell you when.. not just because you decide to. if God is not calling them all the words in the world will not even effect them at that time

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[22:58] <snow-VHL> 2But, if the friend is in the bar, why not visit him when he is in his home.

[22:58] <Judy-VHL> 12Share in love.

[22:59] <hope-VHL> You know what, I'm worried more that that person is headed straight for HELL, than what they may or may not think about me!

[22:59] <drb-VHL> We must ptray that the Holy Spirit convict their hearts

[22:59] <Leon-VHL> Judy to Y'shua it doesn't mitter were you go to halp a friend .

[22:59] <Judy-VHL> 12Could do that too, but I will not turn him down if I think an opening can occur.

[22:59] <HostBob> "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matthew 5:11-12 NIV)

[22:59] <clint-VHL> Jesus was not ashamed to be seen with the lowest of classes, even prostitutes and drunks.

[22:59] <Judy-VHL> 12Thanks Leon

[22:59] <hope-VHL> AMEN JUDY

[23:00] <Leon-VHL> Thats OK.!

[23:00] <_stTimothy-VHL> OK, I get your guys points,

[23:00] <rain-VHL> God spoke to me this summer drb and told me that I need to pray for softened hearts so that He can do His Work

[23:00] <_stTimothy-VHL> which was like my own

[23:00] <incense11> but Jesus was and is a lot stronger than us. Do we pray as He did, ?? if not don't do anything unless He tells you,

[23:00] <clint-VHL> And frankly I think the church has been too concerned about appearances too long.

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[23:00] <hope-VHL> I prayed for BOLDNESS, and BOYYYYY did GOD answer my prayer! : )

[23:00] <drb-VHL> That is wonderful...rain...

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[23:01] <HostBob> Now back to the "latter rain" doctrine...

[23:01] <hope-VHL> God gave me the HONOR to lead my Sears pest control man to HIM!!! I was sooooo excited!

[23:01] <drb-VHL> He convicts my heart in the same way...rain

[23:01] <HostBob> as far as I know it is based on one verse of Scripture...

[23:01] <incense11> yes, hope He answers us when we don't believe it ourselves sometimes

[23:02] <HostBob> So rejoice, O sons of Zion, And be glad in the LORD your God; For He has given you the early rain for your vindication. And He has poured down for you the rain, The early and latter rain as before. (Joel 2:23 NASB)

[23:02] <clint-VHL> Joel?

[23:02] <_stTimothy-VHL> I pray for my brother that he developes a relationship with Christ, and he comes to visit me, he listens to Klove, Christian radio in his new truck, but then later he uses the lords name in vain, I felt Like God is working in him, then he just spouts off like that

[23:02] <HostBob> Be glad, O people of Zion, rejoice in the LORD your God, for he has given you the autumn rains in righteousness. He sends you abundant showers, both autumn and spring rains, as before. (Joel 2:23 NIV)

[23:02] <Leon-VHL> Though Y'shus all things are possible.

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[23:02] <_stTimothy-VHL> it hurt me, that he says he is a christian(believes in God) then curses like that

[23:02] <_stTimothy-VHL> I still sin too, but I don't curse at all esp the Lords name

[23:03] <HostBob> One verse of Scripture, if looked at in context is talking of specific promises of restoration to Israel...

[23:03] <rain-VHL> I was confronted this summer by a lady who was a "changed " lesbian who now works for Dr. Dobson and she just yelled in my face how much she used to hate to see the Leviticus signs at the Gay Pride Parades that she and her girlfriends attended I asked God what to say and He told me to pray for softened hearts

[23:03] <dovecry-VHL> I enjoy letting people see the Jesus in me no matter where I am. You should see me, my daughter says she can't take me anywhere because I Wear my headphones, cassette player and sometimes get carried away in singing, and smiling with Jesus:-)

[23:03] <HostBob> yet people have taken that one phrase "latter rain" and built an entire end-time revival doctrine around it

[23:04] <hope-VHL> THAT's CUTE, DOVECRY! : )

[23:04] <yaqquir-VHL> I agree Bob

[23:04] <HostBob> if we used that same kind of Bible interpretation for other phrases we could make the Bible say whatever we want

[23:04] <Leon-VHL> st Tim that I don't like eather,

[23:04] <clint-VHL> Bob, I did a little studying about how the doctrine "Latter Rain" came about and it seems to me that it has come about by a twisting of the scriptures by some charasmatic preachers in the past. Could be wrong.

[23:04] <hope-VHL> Just keep praying for your brother St. Tim......

[23:05] <HostBob> Yes, Clint - my point is this - don't accept a teaching just because lots of people are proponents of it - look at the Scriptures

[23:05] <clint-VHL> Absolutely.!!!

[23:05] <_stTimothy-VHL> what do we do as young christians in Christ, when our loved ones use Gods name in vain in front of us?

[23:05] <Leon-VHL> Amen!

[23:05] <Elias-VHL> All doctrines that are not of the Father who is in heaven have come about by a twisting of the scriptures to suit what man wants to hear and what he is willing to believe in...

[23:05] <hope-VHL> AMEN, AMEN AMEN BOB!!!!!!

[23:06] <Judy-VHL> 12Bob, I think I read a book about the 25 Messianic signs and the latter rain was mentioned as being a sign. Strange. I'm not sure I would get their meaning from what you just quoted.

[23:06] <clint-VHL> stTim, pray for them and witnes to them, then pray some more. I also have loved ones who are lost.

[23:06] <HostBob> That's the only verse in the Bible that talks about "latter rain" to the best of my knowledge

[23:07] <hope-VHL> If God can convert a Muslim, HE can convert anyone!!!! Praise GOD!

[23:07] <clint-VHL> Mine too, Bob.

[23:07] <dovecry-VHL> I tell my friends and people I know, nobody died for me but JESUS, and I will not ever be ashamed to share Him in anyway I can. Sure people think I'm nuts, but so what. Jesus Loves me/us;-)

[23:07] <Judy-VHL> 12Thank goodness that we only have to come to Christ in childlike faith and not be theologians!!!!

[23:07] <hope-VHL> AMEN DOVECRY

[23:07] <_stTimothy-VHL> but they say they believe in christ, and still they don't like to talk alot about the bible, or jesus, or other related things of my intrest, I can tell when they want to change the subject

[23:07] <hope-VHL> AMEN JUDY!

[23:07] <clint-VHL> AMEN Judy.

[23:08] <snow-VHL> 2dovecry, where ya from?

[23:08] <Leon-VHL> What vers is that Bob "Latter rain"

[23:08] <HostBob> Yes, Judy, and woe to the preachers who prey on "childlike" believers by preaching false doctrines for their own gain

[23:08] <hope-VHL> Yeah, St. TIm, it happens all the time to me.......but, don't let that get you down, just keep talking about Him

[23:08] <HostBob> Joel 2:23

[23:08] <snow-VHL> 2You sound just like a friend of mine.

[23:08] <clint-VHL> Let them change the subject, just don't participate in anything that is not Christlike.

[23:09] <Leon-VHL> Thanks Bob!

[23:09] <Judy-VHL> 12St Tim, just because people accept Christ, still they can get scared when talking about Him. It's because of their lack of knowledge, I suppose. And remember, the Lord will complete His work in them.

[23:09] <dovecry-VHL> Yeah but when we are talking about JESUS we don't have to change the subject, we can keep smiling, and keep coming back to Jesus, the Bible and Love:-)

[23:09] <_stTimothy-VHL> ok, thanks guys good to know my brothers and sisters in Christ can give me suggestions for me to think about in everyday life

[23:09] <snow-VHL> 2WWJD- What Would Jesus Do.

[23:09] <Judy-VHL> 12Agreed, Bob.

[23:09] <clint-VHL> Siccum Dovecry.:-)

[23:10] <HostBob> :)

[23:10] <dovecry-VHL> What do you mean Siccum, Clint?:-O

[23:11] <clint-VHL> Brother Bob I do believe that we have some sisters with some fire in the gut.:-)

[23:11] <hope-VHL> Well guys, it's my time to go.......KEEP THE FIRE BURNING< and COME QUICKLY LORD! God Bless you all, until Wednesday, or next Monday BOB! :-)

[23:11] <_stTimothy-VHL> God Bless you all I'll be back in a bit- dinner time with the family

[23:11] <_stTimothy-VHL> thanks hope or your help

[23:11] <clint-VHL> I just meant you have spunk Sis.:-)

[23:11] <HostBob> Bye, Hope! God bless!

[23:11] <Judy-VHL> 12I believe that we don't come to Christ for salvation to cease all sinning, but to rely, depend and trust in Him.

[23:11] <HostBob> Yes, Clint, we've got some genuine Deborahs that show up here in this room :)

[23:12] <dovecry-VHL> <iI love just Shinning anymore, Yeah I guess your right Brotherclint"siccum" {SMILES}

[23:12] <Judy-VHL> 12Does that make sense?

[23:12] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye Hope.

[23:12] <hope-VHL> I've got FIRE CLINT, and HE gave it to me! Good night all! :-)

[23:12] <snow-VHL> 2Bye Hope.

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[23:12] <Leon-VHL> st Tim have dinner for me God Bless!

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[23:13] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye St Tim

[23:13] <Leon-VHL> Bye Hope see you next time!

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[23:13] <HostBob> Welcome back, light :)

[23:13] <HostBob> Hello, Pie! Welcome to Bible Prophecy Chat!

[23:13] <dovecry-VHL> Bye hope Peace & Love, Shalom.m

[23:13] <light2-VHL> you guys are still on huh?

[23:13] <Elias-VHL> 4 Bob - Latter Rain is also in Deutoronomy 11, James 5, Zachariah 10, Hosea 6, Job 29, and a coulpe more...

[23:13] <HostBob> Still going strong :)

[23:13] <clint-VHL> Good night brothers and sisters, it certainly has been a great time. Love in the Lord until next time. See you guys in the rapture, "whenever" :-)it happens.

[23:14] <light2-VHL> thats great:-)

[23:14] <pie-VHL> hi host bob and everyone

[23:14] <Judy-VHL> 12Whoa! Elias, you have been busy. Great!

[23:14] <snow-VHL> 2See ya Clint. Goodnight.

[23:14] <clint-VHL> We need more Deborahs, don't we brother.:-)

[23:14] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye Clint

[23:14] <HostBob> And do any of them speak of an end-times revival, Elias?

[23:14] <HostBob> Yes, we do :)

[23:14] <dovecry-VHL> Shalom! Bro. Clint Grace, and peace be with you

[23:14] <snow-VHL> 2Hi pie.:-)

[23:15] <Leon-VHL> Clint Blessing to you! next time!

[23:15] <Elias-VHL> 4No only of the early rain and the latter rain.... but this is from Job: And they waited for me as for the rain; and they opened their mouth wide as for the latter rain.

[23:15] <pie-VHL> 13hi snow how are you tonite?

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[23:15] <HostBob> ok, thanks for the info, Elias - you did some diggin :)

[23:15] <snow-VHL> 2I'm great, just trying my best to keep up with this fast talk.:-)

[23:16] <pie-VHL> 13tell me about it

[23:16] <Elias-VHL> 4The Lord provided a great KJB with a indeapth search engine.... has come in very handy....

[23:16] <Judy-VHL> 12Elias, that may be related to the 2nd coming of Christ? Do you think?

[23:16] <snow-VHL> 2Some times I can barely hang on,,,,,,,,just keep reading, FAST.:-)

[23:16] <pie-VHL> 13i really enjoy coming on this chat line very peaceful

[23:17] <pie-VHL> 13ha-ha- same her

[23:17] <Leon-VHL> Hay I thought I was the only one that was slow.

[23:17] <HostBob> Yes, how good and pleasant it is :)

[23:17] <snow-VHL> 2Where are u from pie?

[23:17] <light2-VHL> Elias check out Job 29:24

[23:17] <pie-VHL> 13oops same here:-)

[23:17] <pie-VHL> 13louisiana

[23:18] <snow-VHL> 2No Leon, I'm thinking I'm more and more slow. ha

[23:18] <HostBob> I use Quickverse Bible software - have had it many years

[23:18] <Elias-VHL> 4Well the second coming of Christ is only known to the Father, for He has said that the time is as short as the thickness of a hair.... The early rain is the word of the Lord and so to is the latter rain.... mouths wide open refers to those who are thirsty and willing to take in the truth....

[23:18] <dovecry-VHL> Gotta go too! Love you all "Praise The LORD" and Bless His Holy Name!!!;-) Love is the tie that binds us together in Christ..Prayers with You too!

[23:18] <Leon-VHL> snow LOL

[23:18] <HostBob> Bye, Dove! Shalom!

[23:18] <pie-VHL> 13peace dovercy

[23:18] <snow-VHL> 2Night dovecry, God bless you.

[23:19] <Elias-VHL> 44by to all who are leaving to rest....

[23:19] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye dovecry, will e mail you again.

[23:19] <pie-VHL> 13oops dovecry sorry

[23:19] <HostBob> what verse in Job/

[23:19] <HostBob> ?

[23:19] <dovecry-VHL> Thanks to everyone

[23:19] <Leon-VHL> Dove may Y'shua light youer way next time !

[23:19] <Elias-VHL> 44Job Chapter 29:23

[23:19] <light2-VHL> 29:24 it is right after the one he mentions

[23:19] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh Elias, thanks

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[23:20] <pie-VHL> 13GOD bless each and everyone of you must go myself past my bedtime ;-)

[23:20] <HostBob> ok - that's Job describing how people used to regard his wisdom and counsel....

[23:20] <pie-VHL> 13may JESUS continue to strength each and everyone of you

[23:20] <HostBob> "Men listened to me expectantly, waiting in silence for my counsel. (Job 29:21 NIV)

[23:20] <HostBob> After I had spoken, they spoke no more; my words fell gently on their ears. (Job 29:22 NIV)

[23:20] <HostBob> They waited for me as for showers and drank in my words as the spring rain. (Job 29:23 NIV)

[23:20] <HostBob> Bless you pie :)

[23:21] <pie-VHL> 13goood nite

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[23:21] <Elias-VHL> 44Well it is the Lord through Job describing the wisdom and council that is from the Lord which is the truth and His Word....

[23:21] <Leon-VHL> By pie Blessing to You!

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[23:22] <Elias-VHL> 44The NIV has been incorrectly translated and has over 64,000 words removed... not to mention the thousands that have been changed or added....

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[23:22] <HostBob> Welcome, Levi!

[23:22] <snow-VHL> 2I have to go for now, I may return after a while. It has been very good reading;-) tonight. Thank the Lord for a christian site like this. I really enjoy being with all you people. Blessings to each of you. Have a wonderful week.

[23:22] <Judy-VHL> 12Hello, Levi.

[23:22] <light2-VHL> I know I am so use to the KJV,

[23:22] <HostBob> Bye, Snow! Thanks for joining us!

[23:22] <Judy-VHL> 12Goodbye Snow

[23:23] <incense11> what we talking about now

[23:23] <Levi-VHL> Thanks for the warm welcome as usual. Shalom

[23:23] <Judy-VHL> 12I purchased the Book, and I really love it. May not be KJV, but I enjoy it so much.

[23:23] <HostBob> Nothing much, really - anyone have a topic suggestion?

[23:23] <Elias-VHL> 44Good light2 for the Lord has revealed that the Original King James version with all of the thees and thous is the closest we have today....

[23:23] <HostBob> I disagree, Elias

[23:23] <Leon-VHL> snow hope you the best and Blessings bye1

[23:24] <HostBob> We don't want to get into a Bible translation debate here - suffice it to say that there are opinions on both sides

[23:24] <Elias-VHL> 4By your understanding or the Lord's??

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[23:24] <HostBob> You have stated your position, Elias

[23:24] <incense11> King James wasn't written until 1600's ?? I think, why would God use it over Hebrew which He spoke?

[23:24] <Elias-VHL> 4Does man's opion mean anything..??/ can a man change the colour of his skin by his will alone??? it is only the Truth who is the Lord our God that matters....

[23:25] <HostBob> So... does anyone have a topic for discussion? A question?

[23:25] <HostBob> You have stated your position, Elias

[23:25] <Leon-VHL> Bob I didn't thank we had opinions LOL

[23:25] <incense11> You know Moses prayer got answered after 1500 years????

[23:25] <Levi-VHL> Not really! I was looking in to see what was being discussed

[23:26] <incense11> To See God's Glory.....

[23:26] <light2-VHL> The counsel of the Lord, it shall stand!

[23:26] <Judy-VHL> 12You mean the rebirth of Israel, Incense?

[23:26] <HostBob> ok - things heated up on the Lebanon front this week

[23:26] <Elias-VHL> 4As a man hears the truth he runs and takes the false beliefs with him to polute the minds of those with believe in the same falsities....

[23:27] <yaqquir-VHL> Bob do you think that there will be a cleansing of the Church before the rapture?

[23:27] <HostBob> In what sense, Yaq?

[23:27] <incense11> No, Moses prayed to see God's Glory....after he had been dead for 1500 yrs. and Jesus was praying and Moses and Elijah came,,, God was answering Moses prayer...Moses could not see him while he was alive.

[23:27] <Leon-VHL> Incense thats the Big [ A ]

[23:28] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh

[23:28] <light2-VHL> God spoke with Moses only face to face

[23:28] <yaqquir-VHL> removal of doctrines and a oneness of faith

[23:28] <Judy-VHL> 12What does that mean, Leon?

[23:28] <yaqquir-VHL> a return to child like faith

[23:28] <incense11> not my own, read it, but thought that was very Cool

[23:29] <Leon-VHL> Amen ,The big [ A ]

[23:29] <incense11> only dead men can see God

[23:29] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh, still learning computer lingo.

[23:29] <Elias-VHL> 4There will be two men in a bed, one shall go and one shall stay. Does that mean that one homesexual will go and one will stay??? God forbid, for the Lord said that those who love Him will folow wherever He will lead and that those who do not believ will stay and be confounded by their own wickedness....

[23:29] <light2-VHL> And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,

[23:29] <incense11> Flesh---Dead

[23:29] <HostBob> Yes, and no - it seems that the current trend towards weird teachings will continue to infiltrate, but I believe as the persecutions begin the true believers will bond together more and forget petty differences - also the apostate church will join together with other religions

[23:29] <light2-VHL> Deut 34:10

[23:29] <yaqquir-VHL> Stepen saw God-GRin

[23:30] <yaqquir-VHL> sorry stephen

[23:30] <HostBob> when I say the "persecutions begin" I don't mean to minimize what our brothers around the world ahve been enduring - I mean for us coddled and comfortable people

[23:30] <Elias-VHL> 4 9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.

[23:31] <incense11> but God also covered with his hand and let moses see his hind parts

[23:31] <Elias-VHL> 4Yes.... to see the goings of the Lord for He goes before us.....

[23:32] <incense11> moses heart was right and he came unto God where the children were scared and ran (sorta)

[23:32] <yaqquir-VHL> I think we are seeing different religions joining together now

[23:32] <Judy-VHL> 12Bob, read about a woman this week, either in Afghanistan or Pakistan, don't remember which. She was stoned to death because she had committed adultery. Barbaric that she was stoned to death in a sports stadium there filled with onlookers. Hard to believe in this day and age. Funny.....never mentioned the guy involved!!!!

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[23:32] <Judy-VHL> 12Speaking of persecution.

[23:32] <HostBob> Wow, Judy

[23:33] <HostBob> Yaq, yes, I was reading this week of a United Religions initiative that is gathering momentum

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[23:33] <HostBob> Welcome, Daystar

[23:33] <Ketla-VHL> "United Religions initiative"?

[23:33] <incense11> fathers and brothers will kill women if caught or even seeing men

[23:33] <HostBob> yes, hold on, I will find the info

[23:33] <Judy-VHL> 12Hi Ketla and Daystar

[23:33] <light2-VHL> That is the muslim religion

[23:34] <Daystar-VHL> hello

[23:34] <Elias-VHL> 4Then the Lord Jesus Christ spat upon His hand with a little dirt and placed it upon the eyes of the man who could not see.... He asked the man what do you see, he said, men as trees..

[23:34] <Ketla-VHL> U mean, like a union of different religions, bob?

[23:34] <HostBob> Yes, Ketla

[23:34] <yaqquir-VHL> seems that things are really moving to the immediate end-times very quickly

[23:34] <Judy-VHL> 12I am sure glad that Jesus is my savior and He sees my sin no more.

[23:34] <HostBob> I found it, hold on, I will paste some of their stuff

[23:34] <Ketla-VHL> Whoa, sound familiar to any Bible readers out there?

[23:34] <Daystar-VHL> and elias

[23:35] <HostBob> This is their "charter" that they want people to sign:

[23:35] <HostBob> We, people of diverse religions, spiritual expressions and indigenous traditions throughout the world, hereby establish the United Religions Initiative to promote enduring, daily interfaith cooperation, to end religiously motivated violence and to create cultures of peace, justice and healing for the Earth and all living beings

[23:35] <HostBob> they are having a "global signing ceremony" on June 26

[23:35] <Elias-VHL> 4To have only the first application is to only see half the truth but to be walk the path that lead to the batisim of fire is to be shattered as the potters vessel....

[23:35] <Judy-VHL> 12Yeah, have heard about one world religion conferences for awhile now. I think Gorbachev is involved in that too.

[23:35] <incense11> New Age sound to me

[23:36] <HostBob> yes

[23:36] <Ketla-VHL> What do U guys think of this: I think Putin in Russia will begin the turnaroud that will lead to Russia attacking Israel.

[23:36] <Levi-VHL> As you know there is a World Court , a World Parliament and it is obvious that there is trying to be a World Religion

[23:36] <yaqquir-VHL> during the Iran hostage crisis a man hung his sister for dating an American and was justified in the Iranian courts

[23:36] <HostBob> and listed among the religions are:

[23:36] <Daystar-VHL> Yes I read my bible and that stuff sounds like the Anti-christ religion

[23:36] <Judy-VHL> 12I believe it Yaq

[23:36] <HostBob> Christian, Wicca, Hindu, Bahai, Native, etc etc

[23:37] <Judy-VHL> 12What really kills me is the Jesus Seminar. Bunch of fools!

[23:37] <Ketla-VHL> Wicca and Christian, trying to say those two go together is an oxymoron.

[23:37] <incense11> they forgot to put "So Called Christians"

[23:37] <light2-VHL> What fellowship has light with darkness?

[23:37] <Ketla-VHL> Jesus Seminar??

[23:37] <Elias-VHL> 4I give unto you a measuring rod to measure the temple but leave out the temple without the court for that has been given unto the gentiles...

[23:37] <HostBob> Here is more

[23:37] <_stTimothy-VHL> we have some new folks in here

[23:38] <HostBob> From their website..

[23:38] <Daystar-VHL> 2 Peter 1:19

[23:38] <HostBob> Working on all continents and across continents, people from different religions, spiritual expressions and indigenous traditions are creating unprecedented levels of enduring global cooperation. Today, at its birth, people's hopes are rising with visions of a better world. It is a world where the values and teachings of the great wisdom traditions guide people's service, where people respect one another's beliefs, and where the resourcefulness and passion of people working together

[23:38] <HostBob> bring healing and a more hopeful future to the Earth community.

[23:38] <Judy-VHL> 12KETLA, yeah group of men (scholars?) who meet once a year to VOTE on what is true in Bible, and what is not.

[23:38] <_stTimothy-VHL> Ketla> your a christian

[23:38] <light2-VHL> come out from among her and be separate

[23:38] <_stTimothy-VHL> ?

[23:38] <Ketla-VHL> Yeah I am stTimothy.

[23:38] <HostBob> To clarify -- this is an evidence of the kind of end-time apostacy that the Bible describes

[23:38] <Elias-VHL> 4How true light2

[23:39] <_stTimothy-VHL> great

[23:39] <Ketla-VHL> :->

[23:39] <yaqquir-VHL> I agree Bob

[23:39] <light2-VHL> The mustard tree has grown and the fowls of the earth have landed in it

[23:39] <Judy-VHL> 12Bob, can we have that website? Right up my alley. Love prophecy and am always watching for signs.

[23:39] <Daystar-VHL> There is this big push to bring everyone to lowest common denomator

[23:39] <Ketla-VHL> 10Anybody in here read the Left Behind books?

[23:40] <Levi-VHL> There is such a speeding up of things that it is just incredible

[23:40] <_stTimothy-VHL> Judy, I love prophecy too

[23:40] <Elias-VHL> 4As the space between the feathers of a dove is the time that we have to mend our ways....

[23:40] <Leon-VHL> Amen to that Bob!

[23:40] <Ketla-VHL> 10Lowest is right.

[23:40] <Judy-VHL> 12Yeah, Ketla, all of them and teen versions, too.

[23:40] <_stTimothy-VHL> I purchased a prophecy bible, that is very helpful

[23:40] <HostBob> http://www.united-religions.org/newsite/index.htm

[23:40] <incense11> that site is not prophecy so why read it

[23:40] <Elias-VHL> 4The Book of Enoch.... the Book of Thomas.... the Book of Abraham...... yep some of them....

[23:40] <Levi-VHL> Your right there Daystar

[23:41] <Daystar-VHL> You need to watch for the snakes printing new bibles

[23:41] <HostBob> Elias, what are you talking about?

[23:41] <Judy-VHL> 12Thanks so much Bob.

[23:41] <Ketla-VHL> 10Elias- R U talking about the Apocrypha books?

[23:41] <Daystar-VHL> no the lost bookd

[23:41] <Ketla-VHL> 10"lost books"?

[23:41] <Judy-VHL> 12That's what I wondered, Bob, but was afraid to ask. About Elias.

[23:41] <Elias-VHL> 4And head the warnings of the serpants that have printed the ones before that people seem to believe in rather that the Word of the Lord.. Amen.

[23:42] <Daystar-VHL> the lost books never received by the church

[23:42] <HostBob> Daystar, people that make new translations from the original Hebrew and Greek are hardly "snakes"

[23:42] <Elias-VHL> 4Only the ones that theLord has led to read and cast away as old raiment

[23:42] <incense11> Night All......Take care

[23:42] <Daystar-VHL> no but the leave out a lot to promote their own ideas of truth

[23:42] <_stTimothy-VHL> night...

[23:42] <HostBob> Night, Incense

[23:42] <Judy-VHL> 12Good night incense

[23:43] <Leon-VHL> Is that the Dead sea scrolls ?

[23:43] <incense11> Shalom......

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[23:43] <Judy-VHL> 12As long as we have Christ in our hearts, He will guide us in truth.

[23:44] <Judy-VHL> 12Sincere seeking=truth

[23:44] <Elias-VHL> 4Leon... the dead sea scrolls are potions that do have reference to Isaiah... but only the Lord knows....

[23:44] <_stTimothy-VHL> has anyone heard about the show called Jesus supposed to be on this sunday, on TV guides I see Jesus portrayed, is this coencidence?

[23:44] <Daystar-VHL> history is just repeating itself just like before king James was prinited

[23:44] <Judy-VHL> 12I saw it on the cover of the TV guide.

[23:44] <Daystar-VHL> many bibles to confuse the masses

[23:44] <HostBob> Yes, Tim, I don't know much about it - is it a new production?

[23:45] <yaqquir-VHL> sort of figured god was in control of his Word I read mainly KJV and NIV and the Paralell and the Amplified

[23:45] <Leon-VHL> Thanks Bob but what are the lost Book's/

[23:45] <Judy-VHL> 12Has anyone ever seen the Matthew tapes? With Bruce Marciano? Absolutely beautiful!!!

[23:45] <_stTimothy-VHL> even on tabloyeds it talks about the end of days, christ return

[23:45] <Elias-VHL> 4Bob... to answer your question late.... Those who have an ear, let them hear....

[23:45] <HostBob> There are not "lost books" per se - there were books that were not included in the canon of Scripture

[23:45] <Levi-VHL> No I haven't Judy

[23:46] <Daystar-VHL> god?

[23:46] <HostBob> Yes, Yaq, I also refer to several translations to get a better understanding of the original

[23:46] <Ketla-VHL> 10I've got the Visual bible tapes, judy.

[23:46] <Judy-VHL> 12They are great Levi. Most wonderful rendition of life and death of Jesus I have ever seen. Worth checking out.

[23:46] <Elias-VHL> 4or books that the Lord allowed not to be placed with those He inspired and guided to be in the book man calls the King James Version...

[23:46] <_stTimothy-VHL> who was the one in here tonight that said Vladmir Putnin, would be the one to turn Russia agains Israel?

[23:46] <Judy-VHL> 12Arent they great Ketla?

[23:47] <Daystar-VHL> and if the tranlations are flawed

[23:47] HostBob sets mode: +b Elias-VHL!*@*

[23:47] HostBob has kicked Elias-VHL from #VHL-Prophecy (.)

[23:47] HostBob sets mode: +b Daystar-VHL!*@*

[23:47] HostBob has kicked Daystar-VHL from #VHL-Prophecy (.)

[23:47] <Leon-VHL> Thanks Bob so maybe some day the Books will be open for us to se when Y'shua comes after hes sheep.

[23:47] <Judy-VHL> 12Tim, Russians are already against Israel.

[23:48] <HostBob> Leon, God has sovereingly determined which books He wanted included in the canon of Scripture

[23:48] <Ketla-VHL> 10Sorry, gotta jet . Nice talking to U guys.

[23:48] <yaqquir-VHL> Depend on my Teacher the Holy Spirit to point out errors

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[23:48] <HostBob> see ya Ketla :)

[23:48] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye Ketla

[23:48] <_stTimothy-VHL> ok, well did you know that Putnin, wants to put a new ID code into effect for Russians for "Tax reform"

[23:49] <HostBob> I kicked those 2 out of the room

[23:49] <Levi-VHL> I think occasionally the idea of "lost books" is in actuality Satan trying to bring confusion and to stir things up for further confusion.

[23:49] <HostBob> yes, Levi

[23:49] <Judy-VHL> 12What Bob?

[23:49] <_stTimothy-VHL> and the number he wants to use to Identify each Russian has 666 within it?

[23:49] <Leon-VHL> That is good Bob thanks.

[23:49] <HostBob> the "lost books" popular in new age circles

[23:49] <Judy-VHL> 12What 2? Elias, I'm sure and who?

[23:49] <HostBob> and daystar

[23:50] <Judy-VHL> 12Oh, didn't mean to be nosey, but I guess that I am. LOL

[23:50] <Judy-VHL> 12Forgive me.

[23:50] <HostBob> People who reject the Lord's word are looking for "other" revelations, such as supposed "lost books" that will give alternative insights

[23:50] <_stTimothy-VHL> Bob you kicked a couple people out? flexing that beefcakeness again,LOL:-)

[23:50] <HostBob> nah, Tim :)

[23:51] <HostBob> Just trying to keep it free from weirdos and disrupters

[23:51] <light2-VHL> Crown him with many crowns!

[23:51] <_stTimothy-VHL> Thanks, we should pray for them...

[23:52] <HostBob> Yes, Tim

[23:52] <light2-VHL> Do you think they were a team Bob?

[23:52] <HostBob> Seemed like it to me, light

[23:53] <Leon-VHL> st Tim you are absolulutely we will pray for them.

[23:53] <_stTimothy-VHL> anyone ,Judy want to coment on the Putnin and ID tax number?

[23:53] <light2-VHL> I missed some things, cause I heard my doves fluttering out in there cage, and there was a big snake in the cage, had to catch it

[23:53] <light2-VHL> 2nd snake in 2 days I have had to catch

[23:53] <HostBob> Well, folks, time for me to depart here - thanks for joining us once again, hope it was a blessing to you.

[23:54] <yaqquir-VHL> it was thanks Bob

[23:54] <_stTimothy-VHL> it was and is Bob Thank you for your time, God Bless YOU

[23:54] <Judy-VHL> 12St. Tim, I don't know anything about it. Any thing else you can tell us.

[23:54] <HostBob> And if you missed portions, check out the transcript on the VHL home page tomorrrow

[23:54] <Judy-VHL> 12Bye Bob. Been interesting, as usual.

[23:54] <light2-VHL> Good nite Bob and God Bless

[23:55] <_stTimothy-VHL> Judy, you can e-mail Reuters news service

[23:55] <HostBob> Blessings to you all, and may His grace be with you :) Good night :)

[23:55] <_stTimothy-VHL> www.reuters.com

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