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[19:41] <DickPriest> 'Priestess' How do you get your VHL 'handles'?

[19:41] <honergod-VHL> 4but the clouds from the ocean are comming in, I live about 30 minutes from the beach

[19:41] <nega-VHL> 2And I was almost becoming Queen BOB!!

[19:42] <honergod-VHL> 4LOL

[19:42] <Hope-VHL> Bob , I wanted to ask you if you knew about The Holy Land Experience being built in Orlando FL?

[19:42] <HostBob> LOL Nega

[19:42] <HostBob> Nope, Hope :)

[19:42] <HostBob> tell me

[19:42] <pooh-VHL> 6I live right on lake pepin

[19:42] <nega-VHL> 2hi hope!

[19:42] <HostBob> you have great aspirations, Nega :)

[19:42] <Hope-VHL> FUNNY! Hi Nega,

[19:42] <nega-VHL> 2hwres the crown Majesty?

[19:42] <honergod-VHL> 4e-mail me a picture of it pooh

[19:43] <HostBob> it's gone :(

[19:43] <DickPriest> It's 6:50pm in Iowa and is still 65

[19:43] <pooh-VHL> 6I dont know how

[19:43] <HostBob> I'd have to call Stan to get it back, but I don't want to wake him there

[19:43] <HostBob> It means I cannot boot anyone, so we will have to pray that there are no disrupters tonigt

[19:43] <honergod-VHL> 4ok, pooh no problem

[19:44] <YiaYia-VHL> Bob, are you in NJ

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[19:44] <nega-VHL> 2you loose the crown but not the majesti, huh?

[19:44] <HostBob> No, I'm back home in Florida

[19:44] <Hope-VHL> Bob, it's a "biblical museum designed to enthrall visitors as it takes them back 2 thousand years in time, and seven thousand miles in distance to the Holy Land adn her captial Jerusalem", I can't wait for them to finish it....should be by year end or 2001

[19:44] <HostBob> :P Nega

[19:44] <pooh-VHL> 6maybe threw the mail

[19:44] <HostBob> wow - sounds great, Hope!

[19:44] <HostBob> I'll look forward to that!

[19:45] <YiaYia-VHL> It's hard to keep track of you Bob! Hope, I heard about it being designed . Have they started it already?

[19:45] <Hope-VHL> Yea me too, now instead of going to Disney, I'll go there!

[19:45] <honergod-VHL> 4ok, e-mail me TCCfopeland@pacbell.net

[19:45] <nega-VHL> 2well, then the Temple the Antichrist will sit in may be in USA!!!!!

[19:45] <HostBob> I'm up there, in NJ, one week a month, for my job

[19:46] <YiaYia-VHL> Bob...we used to live in Paramus. Moved to TX 20 yrs. ago. Guess that makes me a native here, eh? LOL

[19:46] <HostBob> OK - here's a question for you - what reasons does the Lord give that we should look into Bible prophecy?

[19:46] <Hope-VHL> Yia, yea it's been 10 years in the making.......I support their cause.....wonderful people.........

[19:46] <HostBob> yeah, Yia :)

[19:46] <honergod-VHL> 4oops, make that TCCopeland@pacbell.net (pooh or anyone who is a christian brother or sister

[19:46] <nega-VHL> 2where in TX Yia?

[19:46] <HostBob> Texas sounds better than Paramus, Yia :)

[19:46] <pooh-VHL> 6No mail,mail

[19:47] <Hope-VHL> So that we would not be caught off guard, and He comes like a thief in the night.....

[19:47] <YiaYia-VHL> Live in Spring....25 mi. N. of Houston. Don't know about that Bob! LOL It's HOT here!

[19:47] <honergod-VHL> 4oh I think you mean snail mail?

[19:47] <pooh-VHL> 6ya that right

[19:47] <HostBob> ok, good hope :) Any other responses?

[19:47] <honergod-VHL> 4ok, e-mail me, and I'll e-mail you with my address

[19:48] <Hope-VHL> Nega, what do you mean by the antichrist in the temple in the usa

[19:48] <pooh-VHL> 6ok

[19:48] <nega-VHL> 2just kiddin hope

[19:48] <pooh-VHL> 6when

[19:48] <HostBob> Here's my response:

[19:48] <HostBob> we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

[19:48] <HostBob> Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.

[19:49] <HostBob> from 1 John

[19:49] <pooh-VHL> 6honer -when

[19:49] <HostBob> If we have that hope in our heart, that we cannot wait for that day...

[19:49] <HostBob> it inspires us to holy loving

[19:49] <honergod-VHL> 4when ever you want to. Just include your address in the e-mail and then we can corispond, if your of legal age and your parents are ok with it. unless you live on your own, I am married so. just in case anyone wants to know

[19:49] <Hope-VHL> THAT IS SOOO TRUE BOB

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[19:49] <honergod-VHL> 4You never can tell these days

[19:50] <honergod-VHL> 4what others think

[19:50] <HostBob> Welcome, bread

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[19:50] <BreadofLife-VHL> Hello

[19:50] <nega-VHL> 2well honer

[19:50] <pooh-VHL> 6thats the deal

[19:50] <nega-VHL> 2hi bread

[19:50] <HostBob> Hello, Rexly!

[19:50] <pooh-VHL> 6my parents wont care

[19:50] <nega-VHL> 2hi every1

[19:50] <honergod-VHL> 4well, honer- nega??

[19:50] <BreadofLife-VHL> What is the topic?

[19:50] <Hope-VHL> Either everyone is new today : ) or everyone changed names : )

[19:50] <HostBob> Peter said somethng similar...

[19:51] <BreadofLife-VHL> I am new

[19:51] <HostBob> So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

[19:51] <nega-VHL> 2i will write you. we may share households and kids experiences ;0

[19:51] <HostBob> the topic is - why discuss prophecy?

[19:51] <honergod-VHL> 4sure, I'd love that nega

[19:51] <pooh-VHL> 6honer what church are you from

[19:51] <BreadofLife-VHL> I usually chat on Spiritled Woman

[19:51] <nega-VHL> 2I am not new, but not that older, but feeling like an habituee ;0

[19:52] <honergod-VHL> 4I am a man who honors God, so I respect others, who are God fearing

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[19:52] <pooh-VHL> 6dont get it

[19:52] <honergod-VHL> 4I attend an asembly of God, small and family oriented ,and not too pentacostal,LOL

[19:53] <HostBob> What reasons does the Lord give us for looking into His word?

[19:53] <nega-VHL> 2Oh Gloria!

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[19:53] <honergod-VHL> 4pooh, just wanted to let you know what Kind of person I am

[19:53] <HostBob> What if a friend asked you what, what would you say?

[19:53] <pooh-VHL> 6I go to a small pentecostal church

[19:53] <nega-VHL> 2to know what is to come??

[19:53] <Hope-VHL> You know Bob it's true, the more we look forward to His coming ...........His Word is a Love letter to us...

[19:53] <BreadofLife-VHL> to study to show yourself approved

[19:54] <honergod-VHL> 4I agree, Bread

[19:54] <BreadofLife-VHL> so that you can be a workman who can rightly

[19:54] <BreadofLife-VHL> divide the word of truth

[19:54] <YiaYia-VHL> Hope...that's a beautiful way to say it! Isn't it man's natural curiosity to want to know the future?

[19:54] <Hope-VHL> We should anxiously want to read it, just like we would read a love letter from a friend.....God speaks to us through His word

[19:54] <nega-VHL> 2Amen Bread

[19:54] <HostBob> Yes, God is looking for "approved" servants, huh?

[19:54] <HostBob> yes, Hope :)

[19:54] <nega-VHL> 2Amen Amen Hope

[19:54] <pooh-VHL> 6thats for sure bread

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[19:55] <BreadofLife-VHL> The more word you have in you the better chance you will be able to

[19:55] <Hope-VHL> And you know how anxious a Bride is waiting for her day to marry her groom, we should be anxiously waiting for our GROOM

[19:55] <BreadofLife-VHL> withstand the fiery darts of the enemy

[19:55] <HostBob> The Bible calls the hope of the Lord's coming the "anchor for our soul"

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[19:55] <HostBob> So that "we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged.

[19:55] <HostBob> We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure.

[19:56] <nega-VHL> 2and I think Bread has been reading Timothy these days ;-)

[19:56] <HostBob> From Hebrews 6

[19:56] <HostBob> what is it that we have "fled" to take hold of the hope?

[19:56] <BreadofLife-VHL> I love Timothy because all the answers about what is going on in the church today is revealed

[19:56] <Hope-VHL> SIN?

[19:56] <nega-VHL> 2which verse? I dont get the scriptures in English

[19:57] <pooh-VHL> 6I guess i am going to email some of my friends so bye for know

[19:57] <HostBob> Hebrews 6:18-19

[19:57] <nega-VHL> 2thats true Bread!! I agree totally with you

[19:57] <HostBob> Bye Pooh :)

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[19:57] <pooh-VHL> 6bye everyone

[19:57] <HostBob> Studying prophecy is not just so that we get our curiousity satisfied....

[19:57] <Hope-VHL> BYE, God bless you

[19:57] <BreadofLife-VHL> It is also good to study the word so when things happened you will not be sjocked

[19:57] <nega-VHL> 2whats the question again?

[19:58] <BreadofLife-VHL> You can just say God warned me about that

[19:58] <HostBob> it's so that we will focus in on the ultimate goal of our faith, the salvation that will be revealed

[19:58] <BreadofLife-VHL> oops shocked

[19:58] <HostBob> which question? :)

[19:58] <Hope-VHL> Doesn't it help us to get prepared?

[19:58] <nega-VHL> 2the one "fled stg"

[19:58] <HostBob> Yes, we need to be prepared for whatever role we are called to play

[19:58] <HostBob> what is it that we have "fled" to take hold of the hope?

[19:59] <Hope-VHL> Is it sin?

[19:59] <BreadofLife-VHL> :-) the world, the devil,

[19:59] <nega-VHL> 2gee, I dont know Bob

[19:59] <BreadofLife-VHL> Nega where are u from?

[19:59] <HostBob> yes, and I would say more specifically we are fleeing this "city" if you will, and taking refuge in the "city" the Lord is preparing for us

[19:59] <nega-VHL> 2Brazil

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[20:00] <Hope-VHL> GREAT ANSWER

[20:00] <BreadofLife-VHL> You speak Spanish

[20:00] <HostBob> As Peter said at the end of a sermon..

[20:00] <HostBob> With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation."

[20:00] <nega-VHL> 2Portuguese Bread...

[20:01] <HostBob> Welcome to Virtual Holy Land Prophecy Chat!

[20:01] <HostBob> Tonight, we will try to keep it interesting for you,

[20:01] <HostBob> as we discuss topics related to Bible prophecy.

[20:01] <HostBob> It's great to have everyone here with us!

[20:01] <HostBob> Any suggestions for topics are welcome

[20:02] <honergod-VHL> 4OK listen up Arafat is talking on the news right now

[20:02] <HostBob> We will be examining current events in the Middle East in light of Bible prophecy

[20:02] <HostBob> yes, Tim? What is he saying?

[20:02] <Hope-VHL> :-) yea

[20:02] <honergod-VHL> 4"when the world is sinking in it's sand, I go to the ROCK for my salvation"

[20:02] <HostBob> He didn't say THAT ! :)

[20:02] <HostBob> not Arafat :)

[20:03] <HostBob> unless he had a sudden burst of repentance! :)

[20:03] <honergod-VHL> 4not sure he is on TV down stairs, and I'm up stairs in my office

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[20:03] <Hope-VHL> Maybe they translated wrong!!!! : )

[20:03] <HostBob> Hello, Jazene!

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[20:03] <HostBob> Welcome back, Yia!

[20:03] <Hope-VHL> Hi Jazene!

[20:03] <BreadofLife-VHL> I feel that alot of top people have been touched by God to say things

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[20:03] <HostBob> Abu Dis figures prominently in the news today...

[20:03] <jazene-VHL> 3Good evening all. I like to have never got on. It is busy.

[20:03] <honergod-VHL> 4Hi Jazine, I'm new to this chat, but I know the Lord, Amen!!!!!

[20:03] <YiaYia-VHL> Sorry About That! Don't know what's going on....weather very unstable.

[20:03] <HostBob> Welcome Milly!

[20:04] <BreadofLife-VHL> Even Pharoah he did not know why he let the eygptians go

[20:04] <milly-VHL> Hi, bob

[20:04] <BreadofLife-VHL> He just did it

[20:04] <jazene-VHL> 3Hey Hope.

[20:04] <honergod-VHL> 4Hi Everyone, this is a party for salvation, give praie to the Lord!

[20:04] <BreadofLife-VHL> and then when he realized he did he wanted to go kill them

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[20:04] <jazene-VHL> 3AMEN honergod I'm in there with ya.

[20:04] <HostBob> Does everyone know what Abu Dis is?

[20:04] <jazene-VHL> 3What are we chatting about tonight??

[20:04] <honergod-VHL> 4NO, tell us Bob

[20:05] <YiaYia-VHL> No....I don't!

[20:05] <HostBob> It's an area just outside Jerusalem

[20:05] <jazene-VHL> 3No.

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[20:05] <Hope-VHL> The area near Jerusalem?

[20:05] <HostBob> that the PA wants

[20:05] <BreadofLife-VHL> Nega u stll there

[20:05] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 5:-)no I don't

[20:05] <nega-VHL> 2yes! sorry! I was looking stg else

[20:05] <HostBob> it's their way to get a foothold in Jerusalem

[20:05] <nega-VHL> 2hyall who just arrived!

[20:05] <Judy-VHL> Hello

[20:05] <HostBob> it's very close to the Mount of Olives

[20:05] <honergod-VHL> 4Arafat had mentioned US in my passing of the TV, Bob

[20:06] <Hope-VHL> But Bob, does Arafat consider this to be the part that he wants of Jerusalem? Or does he want more of it? Because it looks like he's going to get that part.

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[20:06] <YiaYia-VHL> What is so attractive??? The vantage point of seeing everything?

[20:06] <HostBob> He mentioned US? Us here in the chatroom? :)

[20:06] <nega-VHL> 2LOL

[20:06] <Judy-VHL> Cute

[20:06] <HostBob> He wants ALL of it, Hope, but it's the first step in their quest

[20:06] <Hope-VHL> Who mentioned US

[20:06] <honergod-VHL> 4LOL, ROFL, no U.S.of A

[20:06] <HostBob> :)

[20:06] <nega-VHL> 2whats ROFL

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[20:07] <BreadofLife-VHL> ;-)

[20:07] <HostBob> Well, Yia, we know that Jerusalem will be the focal point of contention, right?

[20:07] <honergod-VHL> 4ya- Arafat wants us on the Internet

[20:07] <nega-VHL> 2Bob is so funny :P

[20:07] <YiaYia-VHL> Right, Bob.

[20:07] <HostBob> So they are trying to get a foothold

[20:07] <jazene-VHL> 3:-)3What do you mean he wants us on the internet?

[20:07] <HostBob> for future claims on the city

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[20:07] <Hope-VHL> I'm slow! :-)

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[20:07] <honergod-VHL> 4What about the Golen hights, that is a stratigic military vantage point?

[20:07] <jazene-VHL> 3Me Too.

[20:07] <nega-VHL> 2LO Bob. You caused confusion!

[20:07] <YiaYia-VHL> Bob.....have you been to Israel?

[20:08] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 5bob, is trumpet sounds your website?

[20:08] <applecheeks-VHL> ello everyone

[20:08] <nega-VHL> 2thats a sign of false prophets!

[20:08] <HostBob> News item:

[20:08] <HostBob> The National Religious Party decided today that it would resign from the government coalition if and when the government decides to withdraw from Abu Dis. Party leader Housing Minister Rabbi Yitzchak Levy said that the party had planned to remain in the government until the holding of a referendum on the final-status arrangements, but that a decision to give away Jerusalem-area neighborhoods forces it to resign sooner.

[20:08] <nega-VHL> 2Stan, cut Bob LO :P

[20:08] <Hope-VHL> But Bob, what Arafat wants by Sept. 13, is it just this area?

[20:08] <BreadofLife-VHL> hello applecheeks like that name

[20:08] <HostBob> Yes, IM

[20:08] <honergod-VHL> 4That's why I'm here tonight becasue I found bobs site

[20:08] <jazene-VHL> 3Hey wat are we talking about.

[20:08] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Shalom!!

[20:08] <farrell-VHL> 232Hello all. What was it I heard about a meeting at Elat last night?

[20:08] <HostBob> :)

[20:08] <Judy-VHL> Hi apple, I just got in too, trying to figure out the conversation.

[20:08] <nega-VHL> 2Hi yall

[20:08] <honergod-VHL> 4geez this fills up in a hurry

[20:09] <HostBob> Yes, Farrell..

[20:09] <BreadofLife-VHL> I love the Lord

[20:09] <nega-VHL> 2BOOOOBBBB whats Abu Dis?

[20:09] <applecheeks-VHL> thank you my son gave it to me:-)

[20:09] <nega-VHL> 2Nega makeing the dumb question to spare people from the shame of doing the same...

[20:09] <farrell-VHL> 2A meeting between Israel and P.A. representatives?

[20:09] <HostBob> By the way, if I miss a question in the congestion, just throw it out again :)

[20:09] <HostBob> It's an area near the mount of Olives that th PA wants

[20:09] <BreadofLife-VHL> What do u guys think about gospel rap

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[20:10] <milly-VHL> 7Bob, am read A Place Among Nations as you suggested at my first chat....Incredible book. I am ammazed at how much I am hearing for the 1st time! The public has been so lied to!!

[20:10] <HostBob> to get a foothold in Jerusalem...

[20:10] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Hi Bob! Where in the mt of olives...

[20:10] <Hope-VHL> If you can't understand the words, it's junk!

[20:10] <HostBob> yes, Milly, it's a great book

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 5:-*:)Hi everyone

[20:10] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Hi Gran! Shalom

[20:10] <Hope-VHL> Wait, who wrote that book Milly?

[20:10] <nega-VHL> 2the gospel rap

[20:10] <jazene-VHL> 3Hey Gran

[20:11] <milly-VHL> 7Netanyahu

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 5shalom zion

[20:11] <BreadofLife-VHL> yea gospel rap

[20:11] <nega-VHL> 2I dont listen to it...

[20:11] <jazene-VHL> 3are we talking about a musical group or an author.

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 5:);-)Hi jazene

[20:11] <Hope-VHL> Do you get it in the book stores in the U.S.

[20:11] <nega-VHL> 2should we all read this book then??

[20:11] <HostBob> I'm not sure of the exact geography, Wanna

[20:11] <applecheeks-VHL> i have a question if i may ask

[20:11] <HostBob> but it's very close to Jerusalem

[20:11] <BreadofLife-VHL> It is music

[20:11] <HostBob> yes, apple

[20:11] <milly-VHL> 7yes, or the library

[20:11] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Bob, is Stan getting on?!

[20:12] <HostBob> no, Wanna

[20:12] <BreadofLife-VHL> The young teenagers like it

[20:12] <Mytan-VHL> Hi Gran. Hey Jazene and everyone. I like gospel rap.

[20:12] <nega-VHL> 214I m an ol'lady

[20:12] <honergod-VHL> 4I'm back had to make a bottle for the little one

[20:12] <BreadofLife-VHL> I am older too,but I feel if that can bring to the Lord to God be the glory

[20:12] <jazene-VHL> 3I just cannot seem to be able to like it.

[20:12] <HostBob> Anyway, some of Barak's coalition members have threatened to quit because it sounds like they are conceding Abu Dis even prior to any negotiations

[20:13] <Mytan-VHL> What is this book about. Or rather who.

[20:13] <applecheeks-VHL> 3my question is do you feel there will be all denomination in heaven

[20:13] <honergod-VHL> 4Bob, I think I wa mistaken, it was the president of Cub who wa on the news

[20:13] <farrell-VHL> 2What happens if Barak's coalition breaks down, Bob?

[20:13] <milly-VHL> 7it is about the history of Israel

[20:13] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Where is Abu Dis from the mt. of Olives......is it by the Golden Gate?

[20:13] <HostBob> No denominations, Apple - because there is only ONE church

[20:13] <BreadofLife-VHL> No denominations in heaven

[20:13] <Hope-VHL> Yea, apple.... we'll all be God Lovers : )

[20:13] <BreadofLife-VHL> One body

[20:13] <HostBob> the artificial distinctions in the body are not the Lord's doing

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[20:13] <milly-VHL> 7begins with the treaty of Versailles

[20:14] <jazene-VHL> 3Yea apple all one big happy family.

[20:14] <applecheeks-VHL> 3it would be nice to meet you all

[20:14] <Judy-VHL> Amen to Bob!!!!

[20:14] <BreadofLife-VHL> I believe is going to bring a reconcilation to the church as a whole

[20:14] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6:-)

[20:14] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 5bob, what do you think will happen if the leader of Syria dies

[20:14] <HostBob> Wanna, Stan will give a better feel for the phyisical location

[20:14] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6thanks, bob

[20:14] <HostBob> IM - good question - I read a report today that he had a stroke...

[20:14] <Hope-VHL> Someday we'll all meet, and I bet we'll recognize each other : )

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[20:14] <BreadofLife-VHL> Bob are you a prophet?

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[20:15] <jazene-VHL> 3what is going to bring reconcilation to the church as a whole? breadoflife

[20:15] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6I can just picture it.....since I've been there!!

[20:15] <HostBob> and that they are preparing to hand power to his son this summer

[20:15] <Mytan-VHL> NO DENOMINATIONS IN HEAVEAN. GLORY HALLELUJAH.

[20:15] <HostBob> no, I read the prophets :)

[20:15] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 5I heard it on the news today, I was surprised

[20:15] <jazene-VHL> 3wannabnzion you have been where?

[20:15] <BreadofLife-VHL> Do you believe in prophets of today?:-)

[20:15] <Hope-VHL> His son is not too much into this peace deal is he Bob?

[20:15] <applecheeks-VHL> 3i think if the lesder in syria dies there will be a war within that country

[20:15] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6what WILL happen when he dies?!

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[20:15] <HostBob> There is some question about his ability to retain power after his father dies

[20:15] <honergod-VHL> 4Bob is a man of God, not God, I believe God uses Bob to help others

[20:15] <HostBob> because...

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[20:16] <BreadofLife-VHL> because I do

[20:16] <HostBob> the the Alwite clan that they belong to is a minority in Syria...

[20:16] <honergod-VHL> 4is this guy who had a stroke, his son.. is he a good guy or a war monger?

[20:16] <HostBob> and Assad has maintained his power over the people through sheer terror

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 5:)I am back had an IM to answer

[20:16] <Ketla-VHL> What kind of question is that??

[20:16] <Hope-VHL> Hi GRAN

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[20:17] <HostBob> his son is an unknown quantity at this time - he's an opthamologist by trade :)

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[20:17] <Gran-VHL> 5Hi Hope

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[20:17] <Hope-VHL> What question Ketla

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[20:17] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6jazene, I've been to Israel!!

[20:17] <HostBob> Welcome to the newcomers!

[20:17] <honergod-VHL> 4Wow, I've turned into a reader, and following the conversation , rather than a writer

[20:17] <HostBob> We've got a great group here!

[20:17] <honergod-VHL> 4Thanks Bob

[20:17] <jazene-VHL> 3you have how was it for you.

[20:17] <BreadofLife-VHL> You seem to flow in that gift

[20:17] <Ketla-VHL> Busy group, I'd say. lol

[20:18] <nega-VHL> 14that makes 2 of us :)

[20:18] <HostBob> Once again, if I miss a question or comment, please fire it back :)

[20:18] <jazene-VHL> 3Thanks bob.

[20:18] <applecheeks-VHL> 3iassad uses fear on his people to rule them alot i am sure have been brain washed

[20:18] <Gran-VHL> 5:)Bob please tell again the name and author of the book you were talkion about and is it available in the US

[20:18] <Mytan-VHL> If you are referring to honors question Ketla, It was a reasonalbe one

[20:18] <HostBob> Gran, it is "A Place Among the Nations" by Netanyahu

[20:18] <Ketla-VHL> Sorry, just seemed a bit weird from my perspective. :)

[20:18] <HostBob> check Amazon to see it if is available

[20:18] <honergod-VHL> 4Mytan, thanks....

[20:18] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Jazene, it was a total blessing and gift!!!! I'm ready to go again!!!

[20:19] <HostBob> Yes, Apple, he has been a brutal leader

[20:19] <Judy-VHL> Bob, can I ask you one question that is sort of off the topic at hand? Are you a believer in the pre tribulation rapture?

[20:19] <HostBob> for example..

[20:19] <farrell-VHL> 2Thanks Bob. Again, what happens if Barak's coalition breaks down and the gov. doesn't support his proposals?

[20:19] <Gran-VHL> 5:)Thanks Bob it sounds good

[20:19] <jazene-VHL> 3I guess I will just have to wait until I get to heaven.

[20:19] <Hope-VHL> :-)

[20:19] <honergod-VHL> 4I feel like I have to hurry up and type what I want to say, other wise, it might get missed, Ketla

[20:19] <Gran-VHL> 5:) bob what happened to your crown

[20:19] <HostBob> to put down a fundamentalism islam uprising, he sent troops to destroy a city of 20,000

[20:19] <applecheeks-VHL> 3there will be a war in the country

[20:19] <HostBob> in his own country

[20:19] <jazene-VHL> 3can't afford it while i am here on earth.

[20:19] <HostBob> Farrell...

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[20:20] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Oh Jazene....pray about it.... God invites you!!!

[20:20] <HostBob> any speculations on Farrell's question about what will happen if Barak's coalition breaks down?

[20:20] <Mytan-VHL> You are most certainly welcome. Knowing some of the people from the arab countries., I understood the question.

[20:20] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 5sounds a bit like Iraq, doesn't it

[20:20] <applecheeks-VHL> 3there will be a uprising

[20:20] <nega-VHL> 14wnois Barak again?

[20:20] <nega-VHL> 14Nega makeing the dumb question to spare people from the shame of doing the same...

[20:20] <HostBob> Judy, I was taught pre-trib, but lean towards post-trib, but don't really want to go into that now :)

[20:20] <HostBob> LOL Nega

[20:21] <HostBob> He is the Israeli prime minister

[20:21] <Judy-VHL> Sure, just wondered.

[20:21] <Rick-VHL> Host Bob, do you think that the U.S. will suffer when Babylon comes to power. I know that

[20:21] <HostBob> Yes, IM

[20:21] <nega-VHL> 14better stay in the middle than, Bob

[20:21] <HostBob> LOL Nega

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[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob I was gone for a bit so please tell me who put down an uprising etc

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 5:)

[20:21] <Rick-VHL> sadam has been building it for some time...

[20:21] <HostBob> Rick, good question - I would imagine they would have some scores to settle, huh?

[20:21] <applecheeks-VHL> 3forgive for asking i am new on the net but where are you from bob

[20:22] <HostBob> Assad of Syria, Gran

[20:22] <nega-VHL> 14Bob is from FL

[20:22] <Rick-VHL> I think so...

[20:22] <honergod-VHL> 4Will the USA be able to go 10 full years without another major war? .. this is to anyone

[20:22] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Oh my when was that

[20:22] <Hope-VHL> Judy, I used to be pre, if you want to read a few good books, I'll give you the names of them : )

[20:22] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6honer....i don't think so...

[20:22] <nega-VHL> 14Bob, at least you could hire me as secretary. I kinda remeber things about you, hehe

[20:22] <Ketla-VHL> LOL

[20:22] <applecheeks-VHL> 3no the u s a wont

[20:22] <Judy-VHL> Sure Hope

[20:22] <HostBob> Rick brings up a good point - are the babylon prophecies talking about Iraq, or about a more general world system, or both?

[20:23] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6the us isn't in Revelations...

[20:23] <HostBob> yes, Nega :) keep up the good work :)

[20:23] <nega-VHL> 14Thanx Majesty :)

[20:23] <Hope-VHL> Judy, I'll be right back, I'll give you the exact titles : )

[20:23] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Wow, Bob,,,tell us what you think...

[20:23] <Judy-VHL> Ok

[20:23] <nega-VHL> 14here people used to say that bable was tha Catholic church

[20:23] <honergod-VHL> 4what about China, how do they fit into the end times and the middle east?

[20:23] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 5in the beginning of the nineties, I thought it would be Iraq, but I am not as sure now.

[20:23] <honergod-VHL> 4anyone and why?

[20:24] <Rick-VHL> I think that it is interesting to note that in spite of all the sanctions, they still continue to thrive??

[20:24] <HostBob> I don't know, Wanna - I think it may be both... for example... some of the things in Revelation about Babylon are also mirrored in Ezekiel, speaking of "Tyre"

[20:24] <honergod-VHL> 4do other countries export to Iraq?

[20:24] <applecheeks-VHL> 3the bible does refer to america and great B riton both

[20:24] <nega-VHL> 14or was it the prostite?

[20:24] <Ketla-VHL> Tyre?

[20:24] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6where is that Bob?

[20:24] <Ketla-VHL> Where was that?

[20:24] <HostBob> hold on - I'll find it

[20:24] <Ketla-VHL> Where is a

[20:25] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6where apple....is that reference?

[20:25] <Ketla-VHL> America referred to?

[20:25] <Rick-VHL> Was not Tyre distroyed?

[20:25] <Hope-VHL> Judy, The Rapture Question Answered plain and simple" By Robert Van Kampen, and The Sign, also by the same person.....also " the Prewrath Rapture of the Church" by Marvin Rosenthal They'll show you exactly from God's word, no guessing games.... : )

[20:25] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6yes....but so many places in the East have changed names....so it can get confusing..

[20:26] <applecheeks-VHL> 3in the bible does it not talk of these countrys coming from the north and south in many ways

[20:26] <nega-VHL> 14thats true Wanna

[20:26] <honergod-VHL> 4anyone ever seen Jack Van Impe ministies on TV, or JVI web site? he is a "end time" specialist, as I understand

[20:26] <HostBob> I can't find it right now, but that would make a good study, huh?

[20:26] <nega-VHL> 14but Iraq is Babylon and Iran is Persia...

[20:26] <Judy-VHL> I read the Rapture Question........so you are mid trib, Hope?

[20:26] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6yes,,,,,bob.....we need to be Bereans!!!! :-)

[20:27] <Ketla-VHL> At that time, American was neither north nor south, it was "unknown". lol

[20:27] <milly-VHL> 7is tyre lebanon?

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[20:27] <honergod-VHL> 4ok, I have done the research on maps and the midle east the old and the new territory

[20:27] <honergod-VHL> 4ask away

[20:27] <HostBob> Yes, Wanna!!! I feel very strongly about that

[20:27] <jazene-VHL> 3hey mytan what is that radio announcers name that has a show in San Fran.

[20:27] <applecheeks-VHL> 3where does this leave china in all this

[20:27] <Hope-VHL> No, not mid...... I'm prewrath..... there's a difference

[20:27] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Yeah honer!!!!

[20:27] <nega-VHL> 14this counrty from N could be Russia. Most of jewish from Russia are going to Israel and growing the population #, right?

[20:27] <milly-VHL> 7what is a berean??

[20:27] <Judy-VHL> Oh, didn't know that.

[20:28] <Mytan-VHL> Amen to Bereans.

[20:28] <Judy-VHL> Thanks for the list of books. Wrote them down.

[20:28] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Honer,

[20:28] <Rick-VHL> I pre-wrath just before the bowls?

[20:28] <HostBob> The Bereans were the ones who are "more noble"....

[20:28] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6where is Tyre now?

[20:28] <Gran-VHL> 5:) mill a berean is one who studies the word

[20:28] <HostBob> they received the message of Paul and intently looked into the Bible to see it was so

[20:28] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Bereans studied Word diligently!!1

[20:28] <honergod-VHL> 4Yes...

[20:28] <Mytan-VHL> I don't know Jazene. Unless you are referring to Hank Hanegraff

[20:28] <milly-VHL> 7yes, amen

[20:28] <Hope-VHL> Yea Judy, Pre means before the trib.... Mid means right before the persecution of the antichrist.....prewrath means after the persecution but before the wrath of God....

[20:28] <HostBob> Tyre is in present day Lebanon...

[20:29] <jazene-VHL> 3yes that is him. Isn't he against Jack VanImpe

[20:29] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6WOW......studied even the message from Paul!!

[20:29] <Ketla-VHL> Could people use plain English in here, please?:->

[20:29] <Mytan-VHL> Hank Hanegraff is in San Juan Capistrano.

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> 5Hanagraf is against a lot of good folks

[20:29] <HostBob> but many of the prophecies of Tyre in Ezekiel are symbolic of Satan and the Antichrist

[20:29] <Judy-VHL> Hey Hope, truly, I hope you are wrong. No offense.

[20:29] <milly-VHL> 7he is against everyone, Hanagraf, that is

[20:29] <applecheeks-VHL> 3510so many countrys are blind with all the wake up calls god has given to his people

[20:29] <farrell-VHL> 2Milly, find Bereans at Acts 17:11.

[20:29] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6thanks for the reference, farrell!!!!!!

[20:29] <HostBob> Ezekiel 28 calls Satan "the ruler of Tyre" and describes his downfall

[20:30] <milly-VHL> 7thanks, farrell

[20:30] <Hope-VHL> I wish I were too Judy, I believed the pre for 33 years..... either way, just be ready to see your Lord

[20:30] <Mytan-VHL> Not to my knowledge Jazene

[20:30] <jazene-VHL> 3ok thanks mytan:-)

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[20:30] <Mytan-VHL> Hanegraff speaks a lot of truth.

[20:30] <Judy-VHL> True, either way.

[20:30] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Where are the boundaries that Israel should have....?

[20:30] <HostBob> Yes, Hope , that is what this is all about - the expectation of seeing Jesus

[20:31] <honergod-VHL> 4can someone tell me about Tyre, please

[20:31] <nega-VHL> 14whois Hanegraff?

[20:31] <honergod-VHL> 4location, old and new?

[20:31] <jazene-VHL> 3He is a christian watchdog?

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Hanagratf has set himself up as a judge

[20:31] <HostBob> It's on the Mediterranean

[20:31] <HostBob> in present day Lebanon

[20:31] <Hope-VHL> Amen Bob, I just couldn't leave someone hanging there, I remember the feeling....... : )

[20:31] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Tyre is now Lebannon...

[20:31] <nega-VHL> 14is he American?

[20:31] <honergod-VHL> 4I have a bunch of maps , but if I look down f a second or two, I'll loose the conversation

[20:31] <jazene-VHL> 3yes!!!

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes nega he is

[20:32] <nega-VHL> 14nevr heard of him

[20:32] <HostBob> Wanna, I have a map on my website... showing the boundaries

[20:32] <farrell-VHL> 2Honor, you can find a prophecy against Tyre at Isa. 23.

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> 5:) he has a radio program

[20:32] <nega-VHL> 14did I loose stg?

[20:32] <applecheeks-VHL> 10does anyone know why lebonon has suffered so much

[20:32] <honergod-VHL> 4How did I miss that Bob, your maps?

[20:32] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6I'll check there bob....thanks!

[20:32] <HostBob> http://www.trumpetsounds.com/boundaries.html

[20:32] <Mytan-VHL> Nega, Hank Hanegraff does a radio talk show and is also president of "The Bible Answer Man" and Christian Research Institute.

[20:32] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Who is the tribe, apple?

[20:33] <nega-VHL> 14Thank you Mytan :) Is he really Bible-based?

[20:33] <Hope-VHL> I just found out about your site last week, Bob, GREAT SITE!

[20:33] <HostBob> There is so much to learn, isn' t there? We can become skilled at many things... but a person skilled in the word is rare

[20:33] <HostBob> thanks Hope :)

[20:33] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6AMEN!!!!!!!!

[20:33] <nega-VHL> 14Thats true Bob

[20:34] <HostBob> So let's devote ourself to seeking God's face and KNOWING what He has said

[20:34] <applecheeks-VHL> 10not sure of my spelling was refreeing to the country where there seems to be so much fighting

[20:34] <nega-VHL> 1410just trying color...

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[20:34] <Mytan-VHL> Yes, Extremely bible based.

[20:34] <Hope-VHL> amen Bob

[20:34] <farrell-VHL> 2Just keep reading the Word over and over, something new each time you read it. God blesses our desire to know His Word.

[20:34] <jazene-VHL> 3Amen Bob

[20:34] <nega-VHL> 1015snas

[20:34] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Bob......Being doers and not hearer only!!!! says, James!!

[20:34] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 5does he have a website too

[20:34] <HostBob> Yes, Wanna, and Farrell :)

[20:34] <nega-VHL> 155bvbv

[20:34] <nega-VHL> 56bvb

[20:35] <HostBob> Apple, Lebanon has suffered greatly

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[20:35] <applecheeks-VHL> 108 yes but why

[20:35] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6farrell....it's a blessing when God gives us the desire to know His Word.....huh?!:-)

[20:35] <farrell-VHL> 2Amen Wanna.

[20:35] <HostBob> and unfortunately will suffer more, probably because of Syria's occupation

[20:35] <nega-VHL> 613I Did you know that Che Guevara was from a very traditional family from Lebanon?

[20:35] <Hope-VHL> In this day and age, we need to be begging God to use us to do His will.....we should be longing to work for Him and lead souls to Him!

[20:36] <HostBob> after Israel withdraws, it will probably lead to war

[20:36] <honergod-VHL> 4what does china have to do with all this does anyone know, about the 200,000 man army and the dragon etc?

[20:36] <HostBob> yes, hop!

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Bob have you heard any more about Barak giving Arafat full control over a Jerusalem suburb

[20:36] <applecheeks-VHL> 812what other countrys does syria have a hold on

[20:36] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Bob....what is the withdrawl date again?

[20:36] <HostBob> We talked about that a little, Gran - Abu Dis

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[20:36] <HostBob> by July, Wanna

[20:36] <Mytan-VHL> I agree Bob. We should be sharing the Word with everyone we can as the time draws near.

[20:37] <Hope-VHL> AMEN Mytan!

[20:37] <nega-VHL> 13Well, better visit Israel in June...

[20:37] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, after Israel withdraws from Lebanon?

[20:37] <jazene-VHL> 3AMEN!! everyone.

[20:37] <HostBob> Gran, members of Barak's coalition are threatening to quit ober that issue

[20:37] <applecheeks-VHL> 12amen mytan

[20:37] <HostBob> yes, Farrell

[20:37] <farrell-VHL> 2Who will war against whom?

[20:37] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Really!!! Does Arafat have control over parts of Jerusalem?

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Okay since it was mentioned in the VHL letter I just wondered if anything had transpried since last week

[20:37] <Mytan-VHL> I don't think Arafat will do that.

[20:37] <HostBob> no, Wanna, that's what he wants

[20:38] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6God won't let him!

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Bob do you think that will stop BArak

[20:38] <applecheeks-VHL> 12war will be against isreal but who it will be i feel red china

[20:38] <Hope-VHL> Bob didn't the United Kingdom already say that they would place themselves on the border of Lebanon and Israel?

[20:38] <nega-VHL> 13maybe hell have a heart attack or stg like that... I mean Barak

[20:38] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Nega.......Yep...better go by June!!

[20:38] <HostBob> Farrell, I posted an outline on VHL forum - I believe according the Scriptures that it will be Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and the Palestinians at war against Israel

[20:38] <Mytan-VHL> They are still fighting over the West Bank aren't they?

[20:38] <honergod-VHL> 4Does anyone here have their own prediciton on when the 7 year peace treaty will be signed, currious

[20:38] <jazene-VHL> 3It doesn't really matter what or whom gets control of what because in the end Jesus and God will have control of it all. Amen:-)

[20:39] <farrell-VHL> 2Will look it up Bob. Most interesting.

[20:39] <HostBob> Hope, not the UK, but the UN - Isreal has asked them but they have not agreed to, if I recall

[20:39] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6What will USA do when all this starts?

[20:39] <honergod-VHL> 4will the Americans allow Israel to be bombarded?

[20:39] <HostBob> Gran, his coalition is shaky anyway

[20:39] <Hope-VHL> Oops I goofed, wrong letter : )

[20:39] <farrell-VHL> 2Good question Wanna, what about that, Bob?

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 5:) So it seems Bob

[20:40] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Hope not Honer

[20:40] <HostBob> You're asking me? LOL

[20:40] <Mytan-VHL> Amen, Jazene.

[20:40] <nega-VHL> 13Who has the money in US? The Jews, sooo

[20:40] <HostBob> Probably sit by with their hands in their pockets

[20:40] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6what will usa do when all this starts bob

[20:40] <honergod-VHL> 4hope and not Honer? why not me?

[20:40] <honergod-VHL> 4LOL

[20:41] <applecheeks-VHL> 12very unfortunate america has weekened military as north korea missiles are now pointed at us

[20:41] <Hope-VHL> WHat happened Hope or Honer I'm lost? : )

[20:41] <nega-VHL> 13thats a question to be made to the Jewish community in USA Wanna...

[20:41] <Mytan-VHL> But we still need to be knowledgable about His word and prepared. To be prepared we have to know.

[20:41] <honergod-VHL> 4what is the Catholic church going to do when the sh*** hits the fan? sorta speak

[20:41] <HostBob> though the US is supposedly Israel's friend (though one would wonder based on their position re: the embassy in Jerusalem) ,.....

[20:41] <HostBob> when times get tough for Israel the US has not come through

[20:41] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6and anyone against Israel is cursed?

[20:41] <HostBob> for example...

[20:41] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Nega, what do you mean?

[20:42] <applecheeks-VHL> 12i am a catholic and proud of it

[20:42] <HostBob> Do you all remember the USS Liberty incident in 1967

[20:42] <HostBob> ?

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 5:) that is so true Bob I just can;t Clinton maybe he has a secret hideout

[20:42] <nega-VHL> 13The Jewsh people are very organized and have lots of money in this world Wanna...

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 5:) can't figure Clinton that is

[20:42] <honergod-VHL> 4Bob, I don't tell me about it

[20:42] <farrell-VHL> 2No, what happened USS Liberty?

[20:42] <nega-VHL> 13I was not born :)

[20:43] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 5Has anyone seen the movie The Stigmata? And do you know if there really is a book of gospels called St. Thomas?

[20:43] <HostBob> The USS Liberty was an electronic intelligence gathering ship, from the US....

[20:43] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6nega, what do you think they will do?

[20:43] <honergod-VHL> 4yes I have,

[20:43] <Mytan-VHL> No, don't remember the Liberty.

[20:43] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Uss liberty?

[20:43] <honergod-VHL> 4imbec

[20:43] <nega-VHL> 13Economic pressure, for start Wanna

[20:43] <HostBob> it was attacked by Israel jets in a case that both the US and Israel still say officially was a case of mistaken identity....

[20:44] <HostBob> even though that is not a plausible explanation at all...

[20:44] <HostBob> what it was really doing was...

[20:44] <applecheeks-VHL> 12the u s had a great ship force of 600 fleet with battleships that are now in mothballs

[20:44] <nega-VHL> 13thats why Suiss's banks are giving back some money... most of the money of the world are with the jewish

[20:44] <HostBob> gathering info on the Israel battle plans and passing it directly to the Arabs (this was in a time of war)

[20:44] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Nega, do u think they will go against us here?

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[20:44] <HostBob> the Israeli's learned about it and attacked it "by accident"

[20:45] <HostBob> neither side could own up to what really happened

[20:45] <rob_is_favored-VHL> hello

[20:45] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Oh...thanks for the info!! nega!!

[20:45] <Mytan-VHL> I do not doubt anything that the US has done or will do.

[20:45] <HostBob> that is the kind of "friend" the US has been to Israel

[20:45] <nega-VHL> 13I think that the American Jewish will pressure the govt to make a stand to Israel, thats all

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[20:45] <grizzman-VHL> shalom my friends

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Hi gizz and rob

[20:45] <HostBob> I don't agree entirely, Nega...

[20:45] <nega-VHL> 13u r wellcome Wanna

[20:46] <nega-VHL> 13Hi grizz

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 5OOPS Grizz

[20:46] <Mytan-VHL> Could or Would Bob?

[20:46] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6That's good, isn't it, nega

[20:46] <nega-VHL> 13So, say what u think Bob

[20:46] <HostBob> the Jewish political and economin clout is overstated by those who see a Zionist world conspiracy

[20:46] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6I mean, good to stand for Israel here in the US

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[20:46] <applecheeks-VHL> 12many of these countrys have nucler weapons but i feel the u s has not helped isreal enough

[20:46] <jazene-VHL> 3I have to agree with you apple.

[20:47] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6i agree!

[20:47] <nega-VHL> 13Kissinger has helped a lot...

[20:47] <HostBob> Look at Clintons treacherous response regarding the embassy...

[20:47] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6that's true......but what about the upcoming election?

[20:47] <honergod-VHL> 4Bob, what was clintons response

[20:47] <HostBob> Congress REQUIRED him to move to Jerusalem by June 1999, but he refused

[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 5:) unfortunetly the US has gradually given over to a world view and does not honor Israel

[20:47] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6required WHO to move, bob?

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[20:47] <HostBob> citing "national security concerns"

[20:47] <Mytan-VHL> Jewish people are not really known for their "stands" They do not even see or follow their God anymore.

[20:48] <applecheeks-VHL> 12the u s has been blinded by this its a shame to say about my own country

[20:48] <HostBob> Clinton was obligated by law to move it to Jerusalem but will not

[20:48] <nega-VHL> 13But when it comes to presrve Israel...

[20:48] <honergod-VHL> 4Is America doomed, it seems like at one time or another america has lied to or gone to war with every country

[20:48] <Gran-VHL> 5:) and Clinton does not honor anyone but himself

[20:48] <Mytan-VHL> I agree Apple and we will most certainly pay for it when the time comes.

[20:48] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6I never heard that bob.....wow!! why was he suppose to and for how long?

[20:48] <jazene-VHL> 3AMEN to tha Gran!!!:-)

[20:48] <HostBob> Wanna, there is an article about it on my website :)

[20:48] <grizzman-VHL> hey guys it is OIL that controls those who have diucate to those who want

[20:49] <rob_is_favored-VHL> amen

[20:49] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6God still has His hands over our leaders!!! Romans....

[20:49] <HostBob> He had a deadline of June 1999 to move it

[20:49] <applecheeks-VHL> 12yes often sticking our nose intoother countrys affairs

[20:49] <HostBob> Yes, Grizz

[20:49] <nega-VHL> 13Amen apple

[20:49] <rob_is_favored-VHL> thats true

[20:49] <Mytan-VHL> The US does not honor God in anyway anymore and has not for a very long time.

[20:49] <farrell-VHL> 2Thanks Wanna, we needed to remember that.

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 5:) well those of us that are US must begin to bombard our senators and congressment about that

[20:49] <nega-VHL> 13LOL

[20:50] <HostBob> Yes, through all of the defiance of the "kings" against the Lord, He will still have the last laugh

[20:50] <nega-VHL> 13but at least your vote counts and u have better ways to press on the congessmen

[20:50] <honergod-VHL> 4Iv'e caled the white house, sent e-mails, and wrote letters, and no responses

[20:50] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Hey.....I just had a friend visit the White house......She was thankful that there are

[20:50] <Hope-VHL> Yea, Mytan, and God is reaching His boiling point.......THANK GOD we believers will not see His WRATH

[20:50] <farrell-VHL> 2Scripture is so clear that those who bless Isreal will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed. Looks like governments could at least read!!

[20:50] <nega-VHL> 13Amen

[20:50] <applecheeks-VHL> 12i do bombard our senators

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes Bob unfortunetly to the detrement of the rest of us Americans and what is left of Isreal

[20:51] <HostBob> (IsraelWire-5/1-15:48-DST) The entourage of Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and his bodyguards, were on Monday afternoon attacked by Arab stone-throwers when they approached the Abu Dis area.

[20:51] <HostBob> Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." (Psalms 110:1 NIV)

[20:51] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6 100 + senators praying every single Thursday morning....they are studying Romans!! Pray for our leaders !!

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[20:51] <HostBob> The LORD will extend your mighty scepter from Zion; you will rule in the midst of your enemies. (Psalms 110:2 NIV)

[20:51] <Mytan-VHL> Amen Bob and Hope.

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> 5:) that is great wanna hadn't heard that

[20:52] <HostBob> The Lord is at your right hand; he will crush kings on the day of his wrath. (Psalms 110:5 NIV)

[20:52] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Yep!! There are leaders praying at the White house!!

[20:52] <HostBob> He will judge the nations, heaping up the dead and crushing the rulers of the whole earth. (Psalms 110:6 NIV)

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Bob was anyone injured badly

[20:52] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6God is in Control!!!!!1

[20:52] <nega-VHL> 13Better than here!

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[20:52] <Judy-VHL> Speaking of U.S. leaders, did you see that stupid video that Clinton made on the news today?

[20:52] <HostBob> I don't think so, Gran - but the audacity of it, huh?

[20:52] <farrell-VHL> 2Thanks, Wanna:)

[20:52] <HostBob> To stone the mayor?

[20:53] <Hope-VHL> No Judy, what was it?

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes such a thing

[20:53] <Mytan-VHL> Thank you Bob. We needed that.

[20:53] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6What?

[20:53] <jazene-VHL> 3Amen wanna

[20:53] <applecheeks-VHL> 12has everyone heard vermont has pass the gay marriage ruling this has been a sad day for christians rights

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 5:) what was Clintons video about

[20:53] <Hope-VHL> WHAT VIDEO

[20:53] <HostBob> you're welcome, Mytan :)

[20:53] <farrell-VHL> 2Guess I'll read Pllasm 110 before I go to bed tonight:)

[20:53] <honergod-VHL> 4what video?

[20:53] <Judy-VHL> It's like a end of his administration video. Really stupid! He has no class.

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes apple I heard that such a disgusting ruling

[20:53] <Hope-VHL> WHAT A JOKE!

[20:54] <nega-VHL> 13Clinton, classless? U kidding :P

[20:54] <HostBob> It's one of the best, Farrell! Jesus victory Psalm! :)

[20:54] <Mytan-VHL> Yes Apple. We heard through Citizenlink

[20:54] <honergod-VHL> 4no class but acaemicly very smart

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Many judges don't care what the majority of the people want

[20:54] <farrell-VHL> 2Ooops, Psalm:) Thanks

[20:54] <Judy-VHL> He does not bring any dignity to the office of the U.S. President.

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[20:54] <applecheeks-VHL> 12it is know joke my friend

[20:54] <HostBob> And Psalm 111 gives us some reasons to study prophecy.....

[20:54] <HostBob> Great are the works of the LORD; they are pondered by all who delight in them. (Psalms 111:2 NIV)

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Clinton apointiees they are

[20:54] <HostBob> Glorious and majestic are his deeds, and his righteousness endures forever. (Psalms 111:3 NIV)

[20:54] <HostBob> He has caused his wonders to be remembered; the LORD is gracious and compassionate. (Psalms 111:4 NIV)

[20:55] <jazene-VHL> 3Yes I heard that ruling also. What a shame. But it also shows just how close we really are. Men will becom lovers of men and women of women.

[20:55] <Mytan-VHL> Elaborate Bob?

[20:55] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Rom 13 "Everyone must submit himself to the govberning authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authroity that exist have been establsihed by God!"

[20:55] <honergod-VHL> 4LISTEN UP, ok is it considered good works to read your bible daily according to God?

[20:55] <HostBob> He has caused his wonders to be remembered - not just the wonders of the past, but the wonders of the future also! :)

[20:55] <Hope-VHL> You know we can scream until we're blue in the face with our government......unfortunately, evil is overcoming good in the day we live......Lord Jesus come QUIKLY!!L

[20:55] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6"Consequently, he who rebels against the authories is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgemtn on themselfves

[20:55] <nega-VHL> 13Amen!

[20:56] <grizzman-VHL> the problem with the vermont ruling is that in vermont it is now legal and thi makes the other states having to reconize vert. marriages

[20:56] <HostBob> No, Honer, is it good works to eat breakfast, lunch and dinner each day? We eat because we need nourishment

[20:56] <nega-VHL> 13Bob

[20:56] <Judy-VHL> Must leave now. Thank you Hope for the book titles.

[20:56] <HostBob> Yes Nega?

[20:56] <nega-VHL> 13Buy Judy!

[20:56] <HostBob> Bye Judy! Thanks for coming!

[20:56] <applecheeks-VHL> 12lets all make a joyful noise unto the lord and give god all the glory amen

[20:56] <Hope-VHL> God bless you Judy!

[20:56] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6"For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right"

[20:56] <jazene-VHL> 3AMEN HOPE!!!

[20:56] <farrell-VHL> 2Don't know if it's good works, Honer, but it is certainly good sense!

[20:56] <nega-VHL> 13I just said Amen heh

[20:56] <Judy-VHL> Goodbye

[20:56] <grizzman-VHL> bye judy

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 5:) bye Judy

[20:56] <honergod-VHL> 4Thank you Bob

[20:56] <Judy-VHL> God Bless all.

[20:56] <Mytan-VHL> Honor, that is what God would have you to do out of love for Him. How can you love someone you do not know.

[20:57] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6For he is God's servant to do you good.

[20:57] <light2-VHL> 7Its time for Gods people to get serious about prayer, I still think some of these rulings can be changed by prayer

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[20:57] <Mytan-VHL> How can you know Him unless you read His 'word?

[20:57] <HostBob> Welcome, Light! I missed your entrance :)

[20:57] <nega-VHL> 13Just think you really are a citzen of Heaven... That helps me a lot when I look around here...

[20:57] <HostBob> Yes, Mytan

[20:57] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Yeah...light!!

[20:57] <HostBob> Amen, Nega!!

[20:57] <light2-VHL> 7You have a room full tonight

[20:57] <applecheeks-VHL> 12yes its not to late for change

[20:57] <Mytan-VHL> Bye Judy.

[20:57] <HostBob> a good crowd, light!

[20:57] <nega-VHL> 13hi lught2!

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Hi light

[20:57] <light2-VHL> 7As long as the people of God have breath there is hope

[20:58] <HostBob> lively, rowdy, intelligent, feisty - and love the Lord :)

[20:58] <jazene-VHL> 3Hi light

[20:58] <light2-VHL> 7It only took one Elijah

[20:58] <honergod-VHL> 4WOW, that got soem good response, thought I was invisable for a while?LOL

[20:58] <Hope-VHL> WE do GOOD WORKS because of how thankful we are of what an AWESOME GIFT God has given us....we could NEVER work our way to heaven.....When Christ said " it is FINISHED" He meant it.....we don't have to do a thing but accept HIS PERFECT gift.

[20:58] <light2-VHL> 7Hello to all , God Bless you all tonight

[20:58] <Mytan-VHL> We should pray that God's will be done and not our own and to help us become prepared.

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[20:58] <nega-VHL> 13we have forgotten the power of prayer. John Knox alone, by praying everyday, turned Scotland to Christ...

[20:58] <Hope-VHL> Hi Light, didn't see you pop in!

[20:59] <HostBob> News Item:

[20:59] <HostBob> Jerusalem Post:

[20:59] <HostBob> Syria is aware that Israel will retaliate if attacked after the IDF withdrawal from Lebanon, US Defense Secretary William Cohen said. He was speaking in an interview with the London-based Arabic newspaper "Al-Hayyat."

[20:59] <HostBob> Cohen said that such an attack could lead to a serious conflagration.

[20:59] <Mytan-VHL> Hi Light2. Welcome.

[20:59] <HostBob> Welcome, Worthy!

[20:59] <HostBob> Yes, Nega!

[20:59] <jazene-VHL> 3AMEN Hope. But along with that we are to be diligent in his word and seeking after him.

[20:59] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Hello Bob : )

[20:59] <light2-VHL> 7We need to humble ourselves and pray , God will always be on the Throne!!:-)

[20:59] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Hello Hope : )

[20:59] <Hope-VHL> Hey there WORTHY!!! :-)

[20:59] <honergod-VHL> 4But he did say we would be judged on our works, did he not, then what is to become of us and those who's works are not sufficent?

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Hi worthy

[20:59] <Hope-VHL> BEAT YOU!

[20:59] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Hello Gran : )

[21:00] <nega-VHL> 13Hi Worthy :)

[21:00] <jazene-VHL> 3Hey Worthy!!

[21:00] <HostBob> Another news item from the JP:

[21:00] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6our works are burned up to be tested as gold

[21:00] <HostBob> The IAF has constructed life-size mock-ups of at least two Syrian airfields deep in the Negev so it can practice bombing them.

[21:00] <HostBob> The airfields have been in existence for some years, but were unveiled only now. According to Air Force Magazine, every fighter pilot in the IAF has already mounted an attack on the mock-ups a number of times.

[21:00] <Mytan-VHL> Hey Worthy, you're back.

[21:00] <jazene-VHL> 3it depends upon what you mean by works?

[21:00] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Hey Honor God our judgment of sin has been paid at the cross our judgment is not of sin as the world is gonng be judged : )

[21:00] <applecheeks-VHL> 12i want everyone to know its been wonderful having this time with you all this is applecheeks saying goodnight my christians brothers and sisters:-)

[21:00] <honergod-VHL> 4tested as gold? clairify PLease

[21:00] <nega-VHL> 13Well, at least his surname is Jewish (Cohen)

[21:00] <HostBob> Yes, paid in full! Praise the Lord!

[21:00] <light2-VHL> 7Honorgod , our works will be judge to see what was done on our own, or by the power of His Spirit thru us

[21:01] <HostBob> Good to have you, apple!

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 5:) bye and God bless you apple

[21:01] <Mytan-VHL> Honor, God said not of works lest any man should boast. We are saved by the blood and rewarded by our works.

[21:01] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Good night apple, God bless!!

[21:01] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> he's speaking of the what is left when the refiners purifies whatever is left is our reward : )

[21:01] <light2-VHL> 7The works that were not done of and By God will be the wood hay and stuble the scripture talks about

[21:01] <farrell-VHL> 2Honer, check out 1 Cor 3:14-15 where our works will be judged.

[21:01] <jazene-VHL> 3good nite apple. and may God bless you.

[21:01] <Hope-VHL> goodnight Apple.. God Bless you

[21:01] <Mytan-VHL> Goodnight Apple. Hope to talk next week.

[21:01] <nega-VHL> 13read "The Cross of Christ", by John Stott, HONER (I hope thats the right title...)

[21:02] <light2-VHL> 7Bye Apple , God Bless

[21:02] <nega-VHL> 13bye Apple!

[21:02] <jazene-VHL> 3Amen light

[21:02] <nega-VHL> 13God bless

[21:02] <honergod-VHL> 4what way will we be rewarded? with jewls in heaven or what? I'nm a new christian

[21:02] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> crowns honor : )

[21:02] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Right....we are not saved by works, but we will stand before God w/ what we did w/ the gifts he gave us to use

[21:03] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Bob do you suppose that the holicaust surviors are afraid of another one so anything for peace

[21:03] <applecheeks-VHL> 12i will be back next week god bless you all

[21:03] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Honor, read Rom 13.....

[21:03] <nega-VHL> 13galardão

[21:03] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> good idea gran but there's not enough holocaust survivors to make a difference I don't htink gran : )

[21:03] <light2-VHL> 7I will just be thankful to our Lord to see his wonderful face and offer my worship to him forever, thats reward enough for me

[21:03] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Our works are tested to see if they approve as hay or gold....whatever holds up will be laid at the feet of Jesus

[21:04] <Mytan-VHL> With a crown or crowns that we will gladly give back to our King.

[21:04] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> there's probably less than 10,000 left if that many anyone know the actual number of survivors ?

[21:04] <HostBob> I would imagine, Gran, that living in a constant state of conflict must be very tiresome - I try to understand why they will give the land away, but I cannot

[21:04] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Amen light

[21:04] <nega-VHL> 13Bob

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> 5:) well I suppose that some are just so weary of war that they don';t want anymore but they continue to believe a lie

[21:04] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6]Amen Mytan!!!

[21:04] <HostBob> Today is Yom Shoah in Israel

[21:04] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Hey is anyone going to the CAPITOL building on May 4th the day of prayer ?

[21:04] <HostBob> Do you know what that is?

[21:04] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> in DC ?

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> 5:) and that is why the anit christ will succed to fool them

[21:04] <HostBob> Yes Nega?

[21:04] <nega-VHL> 13whats the name of Sttot's book? The Cross...

[21:04] <Hope-VHL> honer.....just live your life for Christ, be His witness......anxiously await His coming.....and when you do get a reward, you'll be soo thankful just to see His face, everything else will pale in comparison

[21:04] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6What is Yo shoah

[21:05] <nega-VHL> 13the day to remeber the holocaust?

[21:05] <HostBob> It is the Day of Rememberance for the Holocaust

[21:05] <jazene-VHL> 3Amen and Amen again hope:-):-)

[21:05] <nega-VHL> 13Nega 2 X 0 Bob

[21:05] <Gran-VHL> 5:) yes Bob I read that but did not know the name

[21:05] <jazene-VHL> 3Just to see his face and fall at his feet.

[21:05] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> well if anyone does decide to go to DC I will be there on the capital steps : )

[21:05] <nega-VHL> 13whats the name of Sttot's book? The Cross... BOB

[21:05] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6The Holocast Muesum in Israel is so sad...

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 5:) I wonder how many of us here read what bob sent out via internet today

[21:06] <Hope-VHL> AMEN Jazene, How I look forward to that day!

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[21:06] <HostBob> Tell us, Wanna

[21:06] <light2-VHL> 7honorgod, perfect love casts out fear, we were created by God for him to work thru us, so just yield yourself to him completely, He'll show you what works he wants you to do.

[21:06] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> you can tell who I look like I am a young white guy with white hair : ) One of a kind you can't miss me : )

[21:06] <nega-VHL> 13I read. I had ntg to do, LOL

[21:06] <HostBob> Hello, Incense! Good to see you again :)

[21:06] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> I didn't see what did you send out today Bob ?

[21:06] <nega-VHL> 13Wow Worthy!

[21:06] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Amen light

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 5:) inceanse I good to see you again

[21:07] <Hope-VHL> I missed something worthy?

[21:07] <HostBob> Stan and I were chatting today about how the horror of the holocaust is ingrained in the mind of every Jew

[21:07] <nega-VHL> 13Hi Incense

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 5:) oops incense

[21:07] <HostBob> send out?

[21:07] <incense11> hello Bob and Gran how are U??

[21:07] <honergod-VHL> 4lots of replys, thanks to everyone for your support and info,

[21:07] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> wanna see a picture nega ? in case you see me on CNN or something LOL

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 5:) good just tired

[21:07] <Hope-VHL> You mean VHL sent out?

[21:07] <nega-VHL> 13King Bob, Your Majesty

[21:07] <nega-VHL> 13whats the name of Sttot's book? The Cross... BOB

[21:07] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6It's so realictic in the muesm in Israel....they have life size posters of everything

[21:07] <HostBob> BOBO NEGA :)

[21:08] <HostBob> I don't know, Nega, sorry

[21:08] <incense11> hello nega

[21:08] <nega-VHL> 13Silly Bob...

[21:08] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Hey Hope I was talking about on the Capitol steps for the national day of prayer in DC I will be there just seeing if I could find someelse that was going : )

[21:08] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6even gas cans, it was so sad, names of towns that were destroyed in a maz

[21:08] <honergod-VHL> 4Bob, what did you send out on the web today, someone said?

[21:08] <nega-VHL> 13Silly Bobo is a redundance LOL

[21:08] <HostBob> I didn't send anything out :)

[21:08] <honergod-VHL> 4ok

[21:08] <honergod-VHL> 4just checking

[21:08] <Hope-VHL> When is it? tomorrow!

[21:08] <nega-VHL> 13the VHL sent

[21:08] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2I think I figure this out LOL:-)

[21:08] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2on Thursday

[21:09] <HostBob> It's today (Tusesday) in Israel

[21:09] <Hope-VHL> ALRIGHT :-)

[21:09] <HostBob> Yom Shoah, that is

[21:09] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2May 4th is the national day of prayer in the us : )

[21:09] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Oh thats right Bob doesn't send it the VHL does

[21:09] <nega-VHL> 13anyone knows John Stott's book's title The Cross...

[21:09] <HostBob> yeah :)

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[21:09] <light2-VHL> 7We are gathering for prayer in our town on the 6th of May

[21:09] <nega-VHL> 13anyway, we all should read it.

[21:09] <jazene-VHL> 3What is beyond me is why do we continue to bring up the past when it is Jesus we are to look too. Why waste our time milling about the past when their is nothing we can do now to change it. We should concern ourselves with what is happening now.

[21:09] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2kewl light : )

[21:09] <Hope-VHL> O.K. so Thursday you'll be in Washington right?

[21:10] <farrell-VHL> 2Nega, it is called "The Cross of Christ":)

[21:10] <honergod-VHL> 4Everyone talks about including myself about the usa going to hell in a handbasket, but we still have a day of prayer?

[21:10] <nega-VHL> 13thatx farrel

[21:10] <incense11> jazene..cos what happened in the past is about to happen again.

[21:10] <light2-VHL> 7Jazene the Old Testament is the past but it was for our learning

[21:10] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2right : ) hey hope do you have a picture of me by the way ?

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[21:10] <jazene-VHL> 3Amen honorgod

[21:10] <HostBob> You mean in terms of our past failures, Jazene?

[21:10] <nega-VHL> 13same as in Portuguese but wasnt sure... Thats the book you should read Honer!!!!

[21:10] <light2-VHL> 7It is important that we do not let the world forget mans cruelty to man

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[21:10] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2so honor does that mean we should not pray even though we know that the Lord coming is imminent ?

[21:11] <Hope-VHL> No, I would love to have one, it's nice to see who I get to talk to.......I might not recognize you in eternity!!! :-)

[21:11] <honergod-VHL> 4no, of course not!

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Honer prayer changes things

[21:11] <jazene-VHL> 3But is it going to change the outcome?

[21:11] <honergod-VHL> 4ALWAYS PRAY

[21:11] <farrell-VHL> 2Yes, I just received it as a gift. Have not read it yet. Thanks for good recommendation Nega:)

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Or it can if enough folks pray about the same thing

[21:11] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2right : ) when the battle is being waged we have to take the war to the enemy :)

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 5:) God honors prayer

[21:11] <nega-VHL> 13History is the most important subject to understand the present. And God's Word is not past...

[21:11] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Evil abounds when good people do nothing

[21:12] <HostBob> Prayer does change to outcome - remember Daniel? And Nehemiah? They prayed, and God acted - even though He has said before that He would

[21:12] <Hope-VHL> BUT EVIL seems to be abounding tooooo much anyways

[21:12] <incense11> we can if ppl. pray and know what is happening

[21:12] <jazene-VHL> 3my point exactly. God's word is not past. It is now the present and our future.

[21:12] <nega-VHL> 13paryer with FAITH, more faith than people...

[21:12] <HostBob> God is LOOKING for His people to pray, and THEN He will act

[21:12] <incense11> we don't even know what our own govt. is doing and we about to find out to late

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[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 5:) there are large pray groups around the country that do much prayer

[21:12] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2but the Lord has promised us when the enemy shall come in like a flood then the Lord shall raise up a standard against it :)

[21:12] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6.......if my people pray, he will hear and heal their land

[21:12] <Mytan-VHL> Complacency; it is a poison taken one drop at a time.

[21:12] <farrell-VHL> 2The main thing is that Jesus commanded us to pray:)

[21:12] <light2-VHL> 7Evil has always abounded, but when the enemy comes in like a flood the Spirit of the Lord will raise up a Standard against it

[21:13] <honergod-VHL> 4, such is truth but if God is determined to lead the coutries down the path they are going to fofill phrophecy, then praying helps those who should know God, Right? but doesen't change the outcome, if it is Gods will

[21:13] <light2-VHL> 7Amen farrell

[21:13] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2good point light :)

[21:13] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2LOL

[21:13] <HostBob> We pray according to His will, that His purposes and plans be accomplished

[21:13] <jazene-VHL> 3Prayer is the way to God.

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Yes Bob

[21:14] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6When God's people pray.....

[21:14] <honergod-VHL> 4Ok, I understand and agree with what you've said Bob

[21:14] <incense11> even God changed his mind...when talking to Moses

[21:14] <HostBob> If Moses had prayed for Pharoah to repent, would it have changed things? No - God had His purposes for Pharoah

[21:14] <Mytan-VHL> Yes Bob.

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Also it is very important to praise God

[21:14] <jazene-VHL> 3God gave us all a choice. And a concience to go along with the choices we make in our lives.

[21:14] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2http://www.worthynews.com/pics check the photos with the fish that's how I look now my dye is out of my hair Hope

[21:14] <nega-VHL> 13prayer is entering in the Saint of the Saints... The veil is no longer there. Praise the Lord!

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 5:) God abides in the praises of HIS people

[21:14] <incense11> yes, some things are on a time line and will not change

[21:14] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6If we are close to God, we will pray in His will!!

[21:15] <Hope-VHL> You know we pray, and we really don't want all these horrible things to happen, but we pray for God's will to be done, unfortunately in the end times evil will abound right?

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[21:15] <incense11> right Hope

[21:15] <imbecomingnew-VHL> actually, I heard it said that the punctuation was wrong in the translation and it should be "When the enemy comes in, like a flood, the Lord will raise up a standard."

[21:15] <honergod-VHL> 4for a season evil will abound

[21:15] <jazene-VHL> 3right hope

[21:15] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6yes, but God is merciful!!! :-)

[21:15] <nega-VHL> 13The Holy Spirit is getting more and more away from earth...

[21:15] <HostBob> If we pray that the whole world becomes good, will it happen? No - it's not according to His declared purposes

[21:15] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2but whenever evil abounds hope God will raise up a standard against it the standard is just upheld by fewer people

[21:15] <farrell-VHL> 2Our prayers are like incense going up to God and they are eternal.

[21:15] <Gran-VHL> 5:) God knows what people will do

[21:16] <jazene-VHL> 3I agree bob

[21:16] <incense11> amen farrell

[21:16] <Hope-VHL> Sometimes we feel like we're choking with the evil around us!

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5:) but we are still to pray without cessing

[21:16] <HostBob> Ultimately, it will happen, but only the way He said it will

[21:16] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6amen Gran

[21:16] <incense11> things are getting BETTER, and WORST at the same time

[21:16] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2remember part of the Lord's prayer was Thy Kingdom come so when we pray we are bringing the kingdom : )

[21:16] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Hi incense!! How are u?

[21:17] <light2-VHL> 7I think the evil is overrated, we hear about it more than the good that is being done

[21:17] <jazene-VHL> 3how many out there believe in predestination. God says every hair on your head is numbered and he knew us before we were born?

[21:17] <farrell-VHL> 2It's God's plan, incense, He is just and He is merciful.

[21:17] <honergod-VHL> 4when we all go to heaven will we know one another , for example, hey Did I talk to you on the net that one Monday night with ?brother Bob?

[21:17] <Hope-VHL> The ONLY better that I see, is that we're one day closer to seeing our Lord!

[21:17] <incense11> good wanna.. how about U

[21:17] <light2-VHL> 7God still has alot of people that love him in this world

[21:17] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Prophesy will be fullfilled and is being fulfilled daily we just can't see it all now

[21:17] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Fun stuff honer

[21:17] <light2-VHL> 7Amen jazene

[21:18] <Hope-VHL> I'll be right back, : )

[21:18] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Hey Jazene I believe in predestination are you asking do I believe in calvinism or the TULIP ideology ?

[21:18] <HostBob> Yes, Worthy - We are praying that the Kingdom of the Lord will come, and it will :) But only as Daniel saw it coming - the STONE that comes and smashes the other kingdoms

[21:18] <incense11> here here, jaz

[21:18] <HostBob> Yes, I think we will know each other :)

[21:18] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6The cornerstone...

[21:18] <Mytan-VHL> God has said that he does not want any to perish but that all would come to Christ but He understands the evil in the hearts of man.

[21:18] <jazene-VHL> 3I don't know what those other two words were. Excuse my stupidity.

[21:18] <incense11> bible says we will be known as known

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 5:) amen Mylan

[21:18] <nega-VHL> 13whats tulip worthy?

[21:19] <honergod-VHL> 4what do anyof you say about people who say you "christians" are just gloom and doom sayers, and the sky is falling, and god would want you to be living in the now and not look for the future, becasue you may die tomarrow, and miss out on alot of today by wating and thinking about the end?

[21:19] <jazene-VHL> 3amen mytan

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 5:) HEy Worthy what in the world is that ULIP ideology

[21:19] <HostBob> TULIP stands for the 5 points of calvinist theology

[21:19] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2ok Calvin brought a theology which is called Calvinism or the TULIP etc T standing for total depravity etc etc

[21:19] <HostBob> Good question Honor....

[21:19] <HostBob> who will give Honer an answer?

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Which are what Bob

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[21:19] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2basically I am between the 2 schools of thought between Armenism and Calvinism

[21:19] <incense11> Honor... I say I am living in the Now...you just can't see it

[21:20] <jazene-VHL> 3I still don't know what you are talking about. Please explain.

[21:20] <nega-VHL> 13Stott doesnt like Armenism very much

[21:20] <incense11> your eyes are blind to the things of God

[21:20] <light2-VHL> 7Do you want me to list the 5 points of Calvin??

[21:20] <jazene-VHL> 3what is calvinism

[21:20] <Mytan-VHL> Honor, I say that my Hope and joy is in Christ and in the present and future He is providing. That without Him we have no future at all.

[21:20] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Shalom all!! Great to be here with you all!!

[21:20] <light2-VHL> 7 1, Total Depravity

[21:20] <Vinny-VHL> Why worry about tommorow God will provide

[21:20] <HostBob> It's the question of free will vs. predestination (God's sovereignty) - the Scripture teaches both

[21:20] <nega-VHL> 13Never heard of this TULIP thing, hehehe. And my church is calvinist LOL

[21:20] <light2-VHL> 7 2.Uncondition Election

[21:20] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Honor we just serve the Lord day by day and the World is gonna end when he sees fit : ) just serve him and don't worry about when it will end Just look at the signs and watch : )

[21:20] <jazene-VHL> 3amen to that one mytan

[21:21] <Vinny-VHL> I don't agree

[21:21] <light2-VHL> 7 3 Limited atonemen

[21:21] <light2-VHL> 7atonement

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> 5:( Hi Wannabe

[21:21] <HostBob> Did anyone answer honor?

[21:21] <light2-VHL> 7 4.Irresistable Grace

[21:21] <nega-VHL> 13whats atonement?

[21:21] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2I did but not totally : )

[21:21] <Mytan-VHL> Everyone answered Honor.

[21:21] <light2-VHL> 7 5 Perserverance of the Saints

[21:21] <Vinny-VHL> The lord said man makes his plans but God determins his steps

[21:22] <light2-VHL> 7There you go and the is scripture for each one

[21:22] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Atonement is sacrifice for sin what is costed to cover sin I suppose would be the easiest way to explain atonement

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[21:22] <incense11> I did Bob also

[21:22] <honergod-VHL> 4Thanks you Bob, for facilitating that

[21:22] <jazene-VHL> 3I have to agree with you vinny

[21:22] <Vinny-VHL> Yes the blood of Jesus

[21:22] <honergod-VHL> 4and thanks to all my borthers and sisters in christ out there

[21:22] <nega-VHL> 13thanx Worthy :) Ill try to figure it out in portuguese ;)

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[21:22] <incense11> YW ...honor

[21:22] <HostBob> Honer, I look at it like this - Jesus said if you love you life in this world, you will lose if for eternity - we have a choice of which life we want to treasure - the here and now, which is corrupted, or the wonderful life to come

[21:22] <honergod-VHL> 4I agree with you all too, but I think some times I'd like to know what others might say when faced with those things

[21:23] <Mytan-VHL> You are most welcome Honor.

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 5:) Bob and all Gran needs to leave you all hope to be here on Wed if possible depends on when I get home from church

[21:23] <Vinny-VHL> Good buy

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 5:) BYEEEEEEEEEEE

[21:23] <HostBob> See ya Gran!

[21:23] <incense11> night Gran

[21:23] <jazene-VHL> 3Yes Honor you can't walk on both sides of the fence.

[21:23] <nega-VHL> 13bye gran. Bless you!!!

[21:23] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6I'm going too! Goodnite!!

[21:23] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2now I am between the two schools of thought Armenism is Free Will etc and Calvinism is total Election The Lord says no man can come to the Father except the Father draw him but it also says that the Lord wishes that all men come to salvation and that we have a free will so I am between the 2 schools of thought on predestination : )

[21:23] <incense11> night Wanna

[21:23] <jazene-VHL> 3Nite Gran Blessings to you.

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 5NIte Wanna

[21:23] <Vinny-VHL> Hay where are you all rom?

[21:24] <Vinny-VHL> I mean from?

[21:24] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6Nite Grannnnnnn

[21:24] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Baltimore MD Vinny : )

[21:24] <light2-VHL> 7You know worthy he also says some vessels for honor and some for dishonor

[21:24] <HostBob> Paul said, if there is no resurrection, then let's party! He was realistic about it. But He was also convinced of the resurrection of Jesus, that there is a hope for us, and a life beyond this existence

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 5Gran is in North East Ga

[21:24] <honergod-VHL> 4Vinny, I'm from California

[21:24] <nega-VHL> 13night Wanna

[21:24] <Vinny-VHL> Hay anyone listening?

[21:24] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2yes he does : )

[21:24] <incense11> worthy..the predest....is.. God pre ordained all to be saved...But, he left the choice up to us to do so

[21:24] <Mytan-VHL> Honor, God said He gave us life. Abundant life in Christ and it doesn't start when we die physically. It starts when we die to our flesh and accept His gift and His spirt.

[21:24] <Vinny-VHL> Who does?

[21:24] <Wannabnzion-VHL> 6from Colorado

[21:24] <nega-VHL> 13Brazil here Vinny

[21:25] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2ok incense like I said I am between the 2 schools of thought on it : )

[21:25] <Vinny-VHL> Hi Brizil!

[21:25] <Mytan-VHL> Jesus is our joy and without him we do not have life.

[21:25] <honergod-VHL> 4Bob, lets talk about how the church will stand toghether in the end times of christians helping eachother

[21:25] <light2-VHL> 7I think that man is wicked and if left to ourselves we would not choose God

[21:25] <jazene-VHL> 3He also says anyone who knocks and answers the door shall be opened unto them.

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[21:25] <light2-VHL> 7His Spirit does a work in us and gives us a new heart,

[21:25] <HostBob> OK - honer - let's hear everyone's comments on that

[21:25] <Mytan-VHL> He (God) refers to the unbelievers as the dead

[21:25] <honergod-VHL> 4if the rapture takes place after the tribulation then what?

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[21:25] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2But Light does he only work on certain people ?

[21:25] <imbecomingnew-VHL> the one that says No man comes to the Father except he be drawn, is that we can not come when we think we are ready, it has to be when the holy spirit of God draws him

[21:25] <Vinny-VHL> Christian's in my area are very cold and self centered

[21:26] <HostBob> Well, Vinny, here we are warm and unselfish :)

[21:26] <light2-VHL> 7He is the potter and we are the clay

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[21:26] <Hope-VHL> Then you have to be willing to die for your Saviour Honer.. : )

[21:26] <sender-VHL> What a sad commentary that Christians are cold and self centered!

[21:26] <farrell-VHL> 2Worthy, I really think the Bible teaches both, so just accept both. Like a paradox sorta. Certainly nothing to separate Christians.

[21:26] <nega-VHL> 13talk for yourself BOB

[21:26] <light2-VHL> 7Romans has a good verse on that but I have to find it

[21:26] <jazene-VHL> 3AMEN to that one bob.

[21:26] <Vinny-VHL> Who's warm and unselfish?

[21:26] <HostBob> :) Nega

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[21:26] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2absolutely farrell : )

[21:26] <nega-VHL> 13:)

[21:27] <HostBob> Yes, Farrell

[21:27] <incense11> hello Vinny......haven't met you yet

[21:27] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2someone asked about predestination and I was just answering the question :)

[21:27] <HostBob> we cannot reconcile the 2 in our puny minds, but both are equally true

[21:27] <nega-VHL> 13hey Vinny where r u from?

[21:27] <light2-VHL> 7Let God be God and every man a liar

[21:27] <Vinny-VHL> Ok what is your view?

[21:27] <incense11> on what

[21:28] <sender-VHL> One will never know what's what until one can determine the purpose of God and his means to achieve it and then how we fit in!

[21:28] <HostBob> Honer asked about if Christians would stick together....

[21:28] <Vinny-VHL> Prdestination

[21:28] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2LOL Vinny we just finished it LOL let's move to anohter topic of discussion : )

[21:28] <incense11> you missed my answer

[21:28] <HostBob> actually, yes and no - the true believers will, but Jesus also said many will betray and hate each other (alleged Christians)

[21:28] <Vinny-VHL> We need to but most christians are to earthly minded

[21:28] <nega-VHL> 13well, my view is that my mother is presbiteryan, daughter and grandaughter of pastor. my father is baptist and his mother is quite baptist. so, what the heck? we are all going to heaven and those who died I am sure are there

[21:29] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2in the end the love of many will wax cold : )

[21:29] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2but at the same time people wiill be refined and their love will grow hotter than they have ever known before :)

[21:29] <HostBob> amen, Worthy!

[21:29] <Hope-VHL> But being presbyterian, or Baptist, or Methodist....etc....is NOT what gets you to heaven Nega, right?

[21:29] <farrell-VHL> 2Amen, Worthy:)

[21:29] <HostBob> and that's what we need to ask Him every day! Heat me up!!

[21:29] <light2-VHL> 7We are to keep ourselves in the Love of God, and He will keep us if we seek Him

[21:30] <jazene-VHL> 3I live in the south and I see that here in some of our churches here already where one beliver won't go to anothers church.

[21:30] <light2-VHL> 7Amen Bob

[21:30] <Vinny-VHL> No we are not.God said there is a way that seemith right to a man but the end thereof are the ways of death

[21:30] <nega-VHL> 13Yes Hope, but I am talking about the fact of accepting predestination or not

[21:30] <Hope-VHL> BOIL ME OVER!

[21:30] <nega-VHL> 13presbyterians usually do and baptists not

[21:30] <jazene-VHL> 3Amen Hope:-)

[21:30] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2be careful what you ask for :)

[21:30] <Vinny-VHL> You mean once saved always saved?

[21:31] <HostBob> yeah, got that right, worthy - because that mean more testing, more refining, more pain

[21:31] <light2-VHL> 7Saved by his blood and forever held by his hand vinny

[21:31] <nega-VHL> 13Thats true Jazene.

[21:31] <HostBob> to make us suitable vessels

[21:31] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2LOL Bob kinda like praying for Faith LOL

[21:31] <HostBob> yeah :)

[21:31] <incense11> if really saved and HAVE personal relationship with God, I believe always saved, cos you won't walk away..if only saved, that's like acquainted and could not hold you

[21:31] <light2-VHL> 7Or Patience worthy???:-)

[21:32] <Vinny-VHL> What about what the apostle paul says about working your salvation out with fear and trembling and that I die daily?

[21:32] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2I won't pray for that either LOL

[21:32] <honergod-VHL> 4My wife is here from work, say Hi to Cherie, Bob and everyone

[21:32] <farrell-VHL> 2Nega, we can't understand the existance of God because of our finite minds so we can't really expect to understand predestination either.

[21:32] <Hope-VHL> You know Nega, I happen to attend and am a member of a Baptist church, but I just like to call myself a true believer......and about the predestination, I look at it like a sign above a doorway...on one side it says "all welcome"....once you step through and look back above the doorway it says "chosen"! : )

[21:32] <Vinny-VHL> Pray for what?

[21:32] <HostBob> Hello Cherie! God's blessings to you, sister!!!

[21:32] <nega-VHL> 13Hi Cherie!!

[21:33] <light2-VHL> 7Vinny when you walk in the Spirit He does the work in you, it is not something you accomplish on your own, Read John 15

[21:33] <Vinny-VHL> What is a true beleaver to you ?

[21:33] <jazene-VHL> 3Hi Cherie

[21:33] <farrell-VHL> 2We can accept many things about God which we don't understand, so we can accept that too.

[21:33] <HostBob> Cool analogy, hope :)

[21:33] <Mytan-VHL> Hi Cherie

[21:33] <HostBob> I like that

[21:33] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Vinny look up what that Greek word is in Phil 2:13 work out your salvation with fear and trembling look up the Greek word Soteria in a Thayers lexicon to understand the meaning of that verse :)

[21:33] <nega-VHL> 13cool Hope :)

[21:33] <Vinny-VHL> This is going no where man good buy!

[21:33] <Hope-VHL> I thought it was kind of cute.....my pastor told me that one!

[21:33] <honergod-VHL> 4She says Hi to all!!

[21:33] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Hello Mrs Honorgod :)

[21:33] <imbecomingnew-VHL> A true believer is one who accepts with child like faith

[21:34] <Hope-VHL> WAIT VINNY

[21:34] <Vinny-VHL> I never meet you ,So how could I tell?

[21:34] <HostBob> Vinny... a true believer..

[21:34] <Vinny-VHL> Yes?

[21:34] <HostBob> is someone who is convinced that Jesus is who He claimed to be...

[21:34] <nega-VHL> 13What I am trying to say is that we should not make a big fuss on it because wether we believe or not in predestination we all have to preach the gospel and my parents are married for 25 yrs now and never had big issues about it, baptism and so on...

[21:34] <HostBob> and relies on Him alone for salvation - because of what He did on the cross for us

[21:34] <Vinny-VHL> It goes far beyond just beleaving

[21:35] <HostBob> yes, it's not just intellectual assent or agreement

[21:35] <jazene-VHL> 3How right you are nega.

[21:35] <light2-VHL> 7A true believer is one who wants to follow Christ , no matter where he leads

[21:35] <incense11> bottom line we have to learn to communicate and understand God for ourselves

[21:35] <imbecomingnew-VHL> you are right Vinny, I believe that there is a positive knowing that takes place.

[21:35] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2I agree nega. What about the verse in Corinthinas :) If any man knoweth any thing he knoweth nothing as he ought to know :)

[21:35] <Mytan-VHL> Not only convinced and believes but acts on the character of Christ

[21:35] <farrell-VHL> 2Amen, Nega:)

[21:35] <jazene-VHL> 3If you are a true believer you will know it because Jesus lives in you and through you.

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[21:36] <incense11> and bible says you can know

[21:36] <light2-VHL> 7Amen Jazene

[21:36] <Vinny-VHL> Yes there is a witness

[21:36] <Mytan-VHL> Yes Incense, that is why we must stay in the Word.

[21:36] <HostBob> Believing and Faith are from the same root word in Greek

[21:36] <HostBob> Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

[21:36] <HostBob> And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

[21:36] <Vinny-VHL> ok then what then?

[21:37] <HostBob> It's like with Abraham - God made him a promise...

[21:37] <HostBob> that He would take Him to a better place...

[21:37] <nega-VHL> 13but Jesus is the author and consummator (?) of our faith..

[21:37] <Vinny-VHL> Yes but how far does your faith take you?

[21:37] <grizzman-VHL> sorry got called away missed so much going to shut down love you all in the name of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST bye

[21:37] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Vinny the problem is that the word believe has been watered down over the years this is why it's seems different let me explain :)

[21:37] <HostBob> and Abraham believed it... and took the first steps down the road

[21:37] <nega-VHL> 13bye grizz

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[21:37] <nega-VHL> 13blessings

[21:37] <Vinny-VHL> Ok!~

[21:37] <farrell-VHL> 2Good night grizzman:)

[21:38] <imbecomingnew-VHL> Your faith is the ultimate knowing.

[21:38] <light2-VHL> 7Nite Grizz

[21:38] <honergod-VHL> 4Can anyone tell me his or her opinion as it relates to the bible, about one who doesen't believe in the second comming, and doesen't believe in the antichrist comming to power and destruction of earth, But does believe in God, and says he is saved, (this is my dad, who has always been a pessamist, and says he reads the bible but I don't believe him

[21:38] <Vinny-VHL> Well my time is short please explain

[21:38] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2the Word wicked now if you see 2 skaters skateboarding and they do some radical tricks they say "That's wicked" but 50 years ago that would have only meant Evil etc

[21:38] <honergod-VHL> 4is he saved,?

[21:38] <Mytan-VHL> Vinny, your faith takes you into the presence of God when He destroys all those who do not believe.

[21:38] <honergod-VHL> 4really saved?

[21:38] <HostBob> Jesus offers us a promise of a btter place... and if we really believe it, then we take the steps towards it, and walk away from this life

[21:38] <Hope-VHL> A true believer is sooo thankful to Christ, that he/she can't help but talk to everyone about Him, about His gift to us.....and one who anxiously awaits His return like a bride waits for her GROOM

[21:38] <Vinny-VHL> No you must beleave it all

[21:38] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2now the same has happened to the word Believe The Word Believe means in the greek "to utterly rely upon to totally trust"

[21:39] <Mytan-VHL> Night Grizzy

[21:39] <light2-VHL> 7Your dad could be saved and just not know the truth, like a baby christian honor

[21:39] <Vinny-VHL> Yes the absolute lordship of Jesus Christ

[21:39] <Mytan-VHL> That is up to him Honor.

[21:39] <jazene-VHL> 3Their are many out there who wrestle with there own salvation. But you have to remember that now that you are a child of God that satan is going to do everything in his power to convince you that you don't really belong. Just continue to pray and call upon the Lord and say Thank You Jesus for what you have done.

[21:39] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Honorguard Find out who he believes Jesus to be ? that will help you determine :)

[21:39] <HostBob> All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. (Hebrews 11:13 NIV)

[21:39] <imbecomingnew-VHL> Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen.

[21:40] <Vinny-VHL> Its not that simple

[21:40] <HostBob> People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. (Hebrews 11:14 NIV)

[21:40] <HostBob> If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. (Hebrews 11:15 NIV)

[21:40] <Mytan-VHL> Yes Vinny you must believe it all

[21:40] <HostBob> Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. (Hebrews 11:16 NIV)

[21:40] <Vinny-VHL> Yes but what do you really beleave?

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[21:40] <imbecomingnew-VHL> And if Faith is a substance, what is a substance, something tangible, right.

[21:40] <light2-VHL> 7Vinny what do you believe in??

[21:40] <HostBob> It's very simple - Jesus said that you just need the faith of a child, to simply believe who He is

[21:41] <jazene-VHL> 3yes Vinny what do you believe in??

[21:41] <Mytan-VHL> What are you looking for Vinny?

[21:41] <Vinny-VHL> That Jesus is the Son of God and that I am one of his sons

[21:41] <imbecomingnew-VHL> And evidence is also a tangible thing. So Faith is tangible.

[21:41] <Clint-VHL> If is were my dad thinking like that, I would be concerned about his salvation ablove everything. Pray for him.

[21:41] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Vinny are you trying to complicate the gospel ? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ ( utterly rely upon the Lord Jesus Christ alone to save you with childlike faith ) this is salvation the work of santification is done by the Spirit of God :)

[21:41] <jazene-VHL> 3Are you looking for the physical evidence of your being his child?

[21:41] <Hope-VHL> If you don't believe in the death of Christ on the cross and His resurrection, then you are without hope.....

[21:41] <Mytan-VHL> If you believe that is true

[21:41] <light2-VHL> 7What do you mean by Son of God Vinny , do you think Christ is God also??

[21:42] <Vinny-VHL> I am looking for christians who will put the rubber where the road is and really walk thier talk

[21:42] <HostBob> We all need to do that, Vinny

[21:42] <Mytan-VHL> Elaborate Vinny

[21:43] <light2-VHL> 7Why are you worried about other Christians, you must first seek to know Christ yourself

[21:43] <HostBob> But I am responsible for "Bob" doing it

[21:43] <incense11> Vinny, I have walked it since Oct. 84

[21:43] <Hope-VHL> If you're not getting it in the church you attend or the friends you hang out with, then keep looking......we are out here

[21:43] <Mytan-VHL> Christ is God.

[21:43] <jazene-VHL> 3Do you think that as christians we don't make mistakes .

[21:43] <farrell-VHL> 2Vinny, I believe that I am a sinner, without salvation I would go to hell. Jesus died on the cross to cover my sins and thus, saved me. He could do this because He is God. After He died, He was raised to a glorified body and ascended to heaven to further fulfill the Father's plan. Jesus will return again and God's plan will be complete.

[21:43] <imbecomingnew-VHL> Do you walk the walk that you talk, Vinny.

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[21:43] <Vinny-VHL> Yes the all exist together and yet aprt.Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father

[21:43] <HostBob> Let's not gand up on the poor guy :)

[21:43] <HostBob> gang

[21:43] <Vinny-VHL> Yes I do.

[21:44] <nega-VHL> 13Rom 10:9

[21:44] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Vinny to walk the walk is easier than to talk the talk :) just keep the finger pointed at yourself and judge yourself don't worry about anyone else :) if I look around at christians around me I get upset at the paganism and the evil influtrating the church :) so I don't bother looking at anyone but myself :)

[21:44] <Mytan-VHL> Yes Bob.

[21:44] <HostBob> I can see Vinny in the center of the chat room, surrounded by everyone :)

[21:44] <light2-VHL> 7Vinny who impowers your walk, is it something you do or Christ does in you??

[21:44] <Hope-VHL> AMEN WORTHY

[21:44] <jazene-VHL> 3I believe that he died on that cross for me and my sins and arose on the third day.

[21:44] <imbecomingnew-VHL> Good for you, but every person must answer that for themselves.

[21:44] <Vinny-VHL> Ofcourse Jesus does!

[21:45] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Hey Bob did you index your site yet I haven't checked worthylinks in a few days ?

[21:45] <Vinny-VHL> Ok then what?

[21:45] <HostBob> not yet, worthy :) I will

[21:45] <light2-VHL> 7Well, then your only responsibilty is to pray for those around you and be a light

[21:45] <jazene-VHL> 3amen light

[21:45] <Mytan-VHL> That is true Worthy. We must compare ourselves to Christ and not one another.

[21:45] <incense11> do you have a question for us, Bob

[21:45] <Hope-VHL> THEN what, what? Vinny

[21:45] <HostBob> Sure, incense - let me reach into my question bag.... :)

[21:46] <incense11> goody

[21:46] <Vinny-VHL> True but I was just making a piont of how christians are today

[21:46] <HostBob> <--- shaking the bag....

[21:46] <HostBob> ok... here's one...

[21:46] <incense11> let me pull

[21:46] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2instead of going this direction in which self righteousness will come out and spiritual pride will creep up let's get down to just chatting :)

[21:46] <HostBob> ok - pull :)

[21:46] <light2-VHL> 7Yes and they are that way because each one of us needs to be totally committed to Christ

[21:46] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2PULLS

[21:46] <incense11> do you have it?

[21:46] <HostBob> yeah, got it...

[21:47] <light2-VHL> 7But the light Christ told us to shine should also shine for one another in love

[21:47] <incense11> ...and the question IS?

[21:47] <Vinny-VHL> I mean where do you take your walk with jesus beyond all the works?

[21:47] <imbecomingnew-VHL> The truth is Vinny, many think they are walking, but are actually believing a lie.

[21:47] <HostBob> Let's hear some Messianic prophecies from the OT, and why they are meaningful to you

[21:47] <HostBob> gonna make you all work now :)

[21:47] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2LOL ok Bob :)

[21:47] <nega-VHL> 13Fp 3:14

[21:47] <Vinny-VHL> True satan has decieved them

[21:47] <light2-VHL> 7Vinny when your heart is in Love with Jesus Christ, he will take you where you are to go

[21:47] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2what about the Hebrew word for Salvation in the Old Testament :)

[21:47] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2how is it pronounced ?

[21:47] <light2-VHL> 7And it is wonderful everything that he is to us

[21:47] <HostBob> cmon, no shirking now :)

[21:48] <incense11> but Bob......

[21:48] <Vinny-VHL> True but you must be sencitive t the holy spirit

[21:48] <light2-VHL> 7He says we are to worship God in Spirit and in Truth, and he sheds love in our hearts and helps us thru each day

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[21:48] <HostBob> yesha - liberty, deliverance, safety, salvation

[21:48] <Vinny-VHL> So anyway where are all of you from?

[21:49] <light2-VHL> 7He makes you sensitive to his Spirit, when your in love with him

[21:49] <Vinny-VHL> No location?

[21:49] <nega-VHL> 13where r u from Vinny?

[21:49] <HostBob> ok - I'm waiting.... :)

[21:49] <Vinny-VHL> Worcester Mass

[21:49] <incense11> Christ will come thru the line of David, and David had 24 hour Worship....I am a Dancer ..thanks David and Yeshua

[21:49] <nega-VHL> 13Bob is from FL

[21:49] <light2-VHL> 7And he gives you a deep love for people and burdens them on your heart to pray for them

[21:49] <imbecomingnew-VHL> wv

[21:49] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Salvation - Yesh-oo-aw the exact same pronouncation as Yeshua in the New testament for Jesus :)

[21:49] <HostBob> let's make this more intense - your friend walks up to you and says, "prove to me from the Hebrew Scriptures that Jesus is the Messiah"

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[21:49] <HostBob> you are on the spot - so do it :)

[21:49] <light2-VHL> 7This I know is Christ in me, for I had no concern like this before I was saved

[21:50] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2show em Isaiah 53 :)

[21:50] <nega-VHL> 13I cant speak Hebrew

[21:50] <Vinny-VHL> Good buy

[21:50] <HostBob> Good worthy, best place to start :)

[21:50] <gigi-VHL> Hello.....the Lord bless

[21:50] <nega-VHL> 13many dont believe in Isaiah 53

[21:50] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2next place Bob :)

[21:50] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Psalms 22 ?

[21:50] <HostBob> Nega..... BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ (that was the fail buzzer)

[21:50] <light2-VHL> 7Vinny God Bless you

[21:50] <HostBob> :)

[21:50] <jazene-VHL> 3good nite vinny and may God bring his peace about you.

[21:50] <HostBob> Yes, Worthy, another good place

[21:50] <Hope-VHL> God bless you Vinny

[21:50] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2where would you go Bob ?

[21:50] <nega-VHL> 13my grandfather memorized from Isaiah 53 to 63 (I think) in Hebrew for he thought it was the most beautiful part of the Bible

[21:51] <Vinny-VHL> Thank you

[21:51] <farrell-VHL> 2If you want to really cry in thankfulness, read Isaiah 53 and see and feel what Jesus went through in order to be our sacrificial lamb.

[21:51] <Clint-VHL> Hey Vinny before you go. You sound tired of the fight.

[21:51] <incense11> I say.... i can't prove to you, I only know what is real for me

[21:51] <HostBob> Isaiah 53 is obviously the best - it's so obviously Jesus

[21:51] <honergod-VHL> 4Hi everyone,

[21:51] <honergod-VHL> 4I had to help with a crises

[21:51] <honergod-VHL> 4dipers are missing,LOL

[21:51] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Baby Honor ?

[21:51] <HostBob> it's more descriptive of what He did than anywhere in the New Testament even

[21:51] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2LOL I knew it LOL

[21:51] <honergod-VHL> 4yep

[21:51] <Clint-VHL> Yes, and read the 22 nd Psalm

[21:51] <incense11> gentiles won't say show me Hebrew, and Jews don't accept the word, only Torah

[21:51] <Vinny-VHL> ah! But no one seems to get.

[21:52] <nega-VHL> 13but once I saw at A&E a scholar who didnt believe that

[21:52] <Vinny-VHL> Shalom

[21:52] <light2-VHL> 7Hey you guys, I know what vinny is saying

[21:52] <farrell-VHL> 2I know that I am going to spend some time in Psalm 110 and 111 in the next few days.

[21:52] <nega-VHL> 13she was jewish and couldnt see that

[21:52] <honergod-VHL> 4so how long is this chat going to go on, all night? Bob, is there a signing off time?

[21:52] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Genesis 3:15 show them that the seed is through the woman explaining that the virgin birth was declared in Genesis of the messiah :)

[21:52] <imbecomingnew-VHL> good bye vinny

[21:52] <HostBob> It usually goes until 11 or so, or later

[21:52] <light2-VHL> 7He wants us to show the Love of Christ, cause alot of people aren't going to read it in the bible

[21:52] <HostBob> depends on who sticks around

[21:52] <gigi-VHL> how do we obtain the transcript?

[21:52] <light2-VHL> 7Am I right vinny??

[21:53] <honergod-VHL> 4OK, well I'm a late night kinda guy

[21:53] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2I would explain the Passover and the symbolism of the Passover and the Tabernacle : )

[21:53] <HostBob> From the VHL website - it will be on the front page tomorrow

[21:53] <Vinny-VHL> If you want to add me to your buddy chat go right ahead

[21:53] <nega-VHL> 13I know theres a Bible that shows all the verses/ prophecies that were accomplished in Jesus

[21:53] <honergod-VHL> 4but I have to take a short break and help the wife, figure out whats for dinner, see you in a few

[21:53] <nega-VHL> 13I just forgot whats the name

[21:53] <gigi-VHL> thanks

[21:53] <HostBob> 2 of my favorites, Farrell :)

[21:53] <honergod-VHL> 4God Willing,

[21:53] <HostBob> see ya Tim :)

[21:53] <incense11> what is your answer Bob

[21:53] <farrell-VHL> 2It's been a good evening brothers and sisters. This grandma is going to bed:) Good night.

[21:53] <HostBob> yes, Worthy

[21:53] <Mytan-VHL> Exactly Worthy

[21:53] <incense11> night farrell

[21:53] <nega-VHL> 13bye honer! god bless!

[21:54] <Vinny-VHL> What do you mean dinner its 10:pm here?

[21:54] <jazene-VHL> 3good nite farrell

[21:54] <HostBob> night, Farrell - thanks for your contributions and presence!

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[21:54] <Clint-VHL> Vinny I understand being tired of the fight. I am a country preacher in a very small town.

[21:54] <HostBob> well, let's see, there are so many....

[21:54] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2:-p

[21:54] <honergod-VHL> 4thank you bob, your site sure has been a blessing, look at all these people, "Were two or more are gathered so am I their with you" God"

[21:54] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2LOL I didn't know that was there :P

[21:54] <Vinny-VHL> Well good buy all it was nice chatting with you!

[21:54] <Mytan-VHL> Goodnight Farrell

[21:54] <HostBob> See ya Vinny! God bless!

[21:54] <incense11> I'm listening

[21:54] <light2-VHL> 7Come back and chat again vinny ok/

[21:54] <jazene-VHL> 3amen honor

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[21:54] <HostBob> How about... Isaiah 11.....

[21:54] <Clint-VHL> God bless Vinny

[21:55] <HostBob> A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

[21:55] <Hope-VHL> We'll be here next Monday, God willing

[21:55] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2well all it's that time for me to head out Take care and God bless :P

[21:55] <HostBob> The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD--

[21:55] <nega-VHL> 13I would appeal to jewsforjesus newsletter, hehe

[21:55] <HostBob> and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

[21:55] <HostBob> but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.

[21:55] <nega-VHL> 13God bless yall

[21:55] <Mytan-VHL> Goodnight Vinny, Come back

[21:55] <HostBob> Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist.

[21:55] <jazene-VHL> 3good nite worthy. see ya next week.

[21:55] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2Bob he said explain out of the Torah alone :) LOL try to explain it out of Genesis to Deuteronomy :)

[21:55] <Hope-VHL> Worthy, what was that site you gave me before?

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[21:55] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2my picture page so you could see what I look like ?

[21:56] <gigi-VHL> any thoughts on the may 5 alignment

[21:56] <Hope-VHL> where is it?

[21:56] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2http://www.worthynews.com/pics :)

[21:56] <HostBob> Well, I look at at this way - just cause someone doesn't believe the Scriptures doesn't mean we can't "wield" them :)

[21:56] <incense11> Bob...but unsaved would say What did you just say Bob

[21:56] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2gigi my thoughts is it happens every 20 years :P

[21:56] <HostBob> You must speak my words to them, whether they listen or fail to listen, for they are rebellious. (Ezekiel 2:7 NIV)

[21:56] <incense11> so how would you prove

[21:56] <Hope-VHL> You're FUNNY Worthy!

[21:57] <gigi-VHL> it happens once every 6,000 years

[21:57] <Mytan-VHL> Amen Bob

[21:57] <HostBob> Well, of course, we put it in terms they can understand and relate to

[21:57] <light2-VHL> 7Thats true Bob

[21:57] <HostBob> not thees and thous

[21:57] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2there was an article on my site that explained it from Conservative News Service it happens every 20 years :)

[21:57] <HostBob> and wherefores and whosevers and yes

[21:57] <HostBob> ye

[21:57] <light2-VHL> 7We just need to say it in love too

[21:57] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2that the planets all align up want me to get the article so you can read it ?

[21:57] <gigi-VHL> 4 planets aligned in the 1800,s....never 7

[21:57] <jazene-VHL> 3But doesn't he also say if the refuse to listen to shake the dust from your feet and go elsewhere.

[21:57] <incense11> what are they talking about...every 6,000 yrs. 20 years

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[21:58] <Hope-VHL> The last time they aligned was in 1980 or 1982!

[21:58] <gigi-VHL> yes, please

[21:58] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 2sure thing hold on let me search for it :)

[21:58] <light2-VHL> 7yes jazene, and sometimes we need to just pray for them without giving up on them

[21:58] <Clint-VHL> Does anyone have any proof concerning the alignment.

[21:58] <HostBob> Jazene, I'm not sure that applies to us, right now - sometimes we have to be very patient

[21:58] <gigi-VHL> it is all over the net

[21:58] <Mytan-VHL> yes, a good place to relate is Romans

[21:59] <gigi-VHL> ufo fans are gathering in the southwest to observe it.....

[21:59] <Clint-VHL> Sorry, I have had computer trouble. Didn't see it.

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[21:59] <jazene-VHL> 3another lie being taught. ufo's

[21:59] <gigi-VHL> just do a search......many articles

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[22:00] <VinnyWarrior-VHL> How do you mean lie's?

[22:00] <Clint-VHL> Thanks.

[22:00] <gigi-VHL> yep....they are looking for aliens

[22:00] <Mytan-VHL> But Bob, if God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, would not the same word apply today

[22:00] <VinnyWarrior-VHL> Who?

[22:00] <light2-VHL> 7Maybe will get lucky and the ufos will confiscate our government:-)

[22:00] <nega-VHL> 13LOL light

[22:00] <HostBob> Yes, Mytan, and I think there are times when we need to do that

[22:00] <jazene-VHL> 3that would be just toooooo!!!! easy.

[22:00] <gigi-VHL> ha,,,that is a good one

[22:00] <VinnyWarrior-VHL> Hah Hah!

[22:00] <VinnyWarrior-VHL> :-)

[22:00] <Hope-VHL> So Bob, I read something about you know how to God 1 day is a 1000 years right?, And that it was 4000 years from Adam to Christ arriving on the donkey, then it's been 2000 years since Christ, that would equal 6 days.....and the 7th day God rested, the last 1000 years of Christs reign....have you heard anything like this before?

[22:01] <HostBob> but not always - I think we need to be sensitive, because the Lord was very patient with us, giving us many many chances

[22:01] <sender-VHL> 8Bob please explain how God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

[22:01] <VinnyWarrior-VHL> Seee yuh!

[22:01] <gigi-VHL> I have hope

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[22:01] <HostBob> Yes, Hope, I think there is some validity to that

[22:01] <Mytan-VHL> There is also a place in the old testament that says when a person refuses to hear to not even pray for such a one.

[22:01] <Hope-VHL> sender, change colors : )

[22:01] <jazene-VHL> 3can't read you sender.

[22:01] <nega-VHL> 13sender, please translate to another color, thanx :)

[22:01] <Hope-VHL> THAT's EXCITING!

[22:01] <jazene-VHL> 3you are so right mytan.

[22:02] <incense11> yes, hope....this is almost 7th day

[22:02] <sender-VHL> 82Host bob: please explain how God is the same yesterday today and forever>

[22:02] <light2-VHL> 7sender the scripture teaches that God is immutable, ( he never changes)

[22:02] <HostBob> Explain? He just is :)

[22:02] <gigi-VHL> hoping for the Lord to come get us

[22:02] <Hope-VHL> THAT means we literally would be either ending the 6th day right or starting the 7th

[22:02] <Mytan-VHL> Yes Hope. I have heard that before.

[22:02] <HostBob> Not like us, we act different if we sleep wrong or something huh? He isn't like that :)

[22:02] <incense11> God never changes His thought, word, but ways of doing things

[22:03] <Clint-VHL> Depending on whose calendar you use.

[22:03] <nega-VHL> 13thats interesting... Ill study about it

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[22:03] <gigi-VHL> some Jewish scholars believe the 6th day ended 09/11/99, and we are in a transtitional time

[22:03] <HostBob> Look at the prophecy in Hosea about the "two days"

[22:03] <sender-VHL> 2I think you should be able to know because God says that we are to glory in the fact that we know Him and understand Him>

[22:03] <HostBob> the two days during which Israel would be estranged

[22:03] <Hope-VHL> What calendar Clint, has it not been 2000 years from Christ yet?

[22:03] <nega-VHL> 13hosea where?

[22:03] <jazene-VHL> 3If this is the beginning of the 7th day in which the Lord rested could this be the reason for such a falling away of his people?

[22:04] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewEnviro.asp?Page=/Enviro/archive/ENV200000406a.html

[22:04] <nega-VHL> 13our calendar is 5 or 6 yrs later

[22:04] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> hold on that's wrong

[22:04] <HostBob> Hosea 5:14-6:3

[22:04] <gigi-VHL> thanks very much!!

[22:04] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> hey Hope are you in here under netscape ?

[22:04] <Mytan-VHL> Hope, our calender has not always been the source or the same.

[22:04] <light2-VHL> 7Your link is bad worthy

[22:04] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> wrong addy gigi hold on

[22:04] <HostBob> I believe that two days is 2000 years, and the third day is the millenium - check it ou

[22:04] <light2-VHL> 7It comes up file not found

[22:04] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> I know I don't have netscape and I can't cut and paste in here LOL

[22:04] <Hope-VHL> Oh, oh, Worthy, you know me, I'm not sure : )

[22:04] <gigi-VHL> okay

[22:05] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> let me try to retpy it LOL

[22:05] <nega-VHL> 13thanx Bob

[22:05] <HostBob> Jazene, it seems to me that we are seeing an explosion of wickedness

[22:05] <Hope-VHL> ARe we on the same calendar, Jewish calendar BOB

[22:05] <gigi-VHL> if you are having so much trouble, that is okay....just wanted to read itl...I believe you

[22:05] <nega-VHL> 13no Hope

[22:05] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewEnviro.asp?Page=/Enviro/archive/ENV200000406a.html

[22:05] <HostBob> Sender, sorry, I was not ignoring you :)

[22:06] <nega-VHL> 13our calendar was "calculated" by a pope

[22:06] <HostBob> just too many tracks at once

[22:06] <gigi-VHL> allright! I am so interersted in astronomy

[22:06] <Clint-VHL> We are in an explosion of wickedness and many in my are do not listen.

[22:06] <Hope-VHL> OH OH :-(

[22:06] <HostBob> Yes, Sender, I agree with what you are saying....

[22:06] <light2-VHL> 7I still am getting nothing but empty page

[22:06] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewEnviro.asp?Page=/Enviro/archive/ENV2000406a.html

[22:06] <gigi-VHL> the Lord's calendar, however, is perfect

[22:07] <Mytan-VHL> Jazene, 2 Peter 3:2-8

[22:07] <HostBob> This is what the LORD says: "Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches,

[22:07] <HostBob> but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.

[22:07] <Hope-VHL> WHAT CALENDAR ARE WE ON BOB???????????

[22:07] <gigi-VHL> I appreciate the trouble

[22:07] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> let me come in here under netscape so I can cut and paste this LOL

[22:07] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> brb

[22:07] <light2-VHL> 7The jewish calender went by the full moon

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[22:07] <nega-VHL> 13Christian calendar

[22:07] <light2-VHL> 7And every 19 years they had to add a 13th month

[22:07] <incense11> 1999 was 5960 on Hebrew calendar, men changed Hebrew calendar and they never fixed it...40 yrs off.

[22:07] <Hope-VHL> So how many years are we off, compared to the JEWISH

[22:07] <gigi-VHL> we are on the Gregorian calendar

[22:08] <HostBob> Sender, for us to know the Lord, and understand Him, is such an incredible thing to fathom huh? that we could even begain to approach that

[22:08] <nega-VHL> 13Yeah, thats the Popes name

[22:08] <light2-VHL> 7So it would be lots of fun figureing out Gods true time table

[22:08] <Hope-VHL> 40 YEARS!!!!!

[22:08] <incense11> Jewish kept the 4000 added

[22:08] <gigi-VHL> Jewish calendar is off from us by 240 years

[22:08] <HostBob> what calendar? well, I have a New York Giants calendar here in my office :)

[22:08] <HostBob> sorry :P

[22:08] <nega-VHL> 13LOL

[22:08] <gigi-VHL> we are in the Jewish year of 5760

[22:08] <nega-VHL> 13Go Cowboys

[22:09] <jazene-VHL> 3Well look gang I have really enjoyed myself tonight and have learned a lot. I hope with the Lords blessing I will talk to you all again next monday.

[22:09] <Mytan-VHL> That you may be mindful of the words which ere spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, Kknowing this first

[22:09] <HostBob> a Brazilian football fan? what is this? :)

[22:09] <Hope-VHL> CUTE BOB! what year are we on according to the Jewish, remember we were talking about the 4000, then 2000...

[22:09] <incense11> that's right gigi....

[22:09] <nega-VHL> 13thank you Jazene. God bless you

[22:09] <HostBob> See ya Jazene :)

[22:09] <light2-VHL> 7Yes gigi I think your right

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[22:09] <gigi-VHL> I am right about this....have Jewish friends

[22:09] <Clint-VHL> Gotta go guys, bye.

[22:09] <light2-VHL> 7I have a jewish calender around here somewhere but have to find it

[22:09] <Hope-VHL> SO it's 240 years!

[22:09] <HostBob> Gigi is right, but I don't know how they figure it

[22:09] <nega-VHL> 13We get ESPN and Directv here too. Its not just indians and tress, you know :P

[22:09] <gigi-VHL> bye

[22:10] <HostBob> LOL Nega

[22:10] <Hope-VHL> Good night Clint, God Bless you!

[22:10] <HostBob> I know :)

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[22:10] <sender-VHL> 2HOST BOB:So how is He the same yesterday today and forever? This is not a trick question. This is serious business. What He was and is doing in the earth is true but how was He the same when there was no earth or creation?

[22:10] <incense11> some guy tried to pretain he was Christ, he knew prophecy and changed calendar...is this right gigi

[22:10] <gigi-VHL> His character is unchanging

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[22:10] <light2-VHL> 7He has always been all powerful, merciful , full of truth and glory sender

[22:11] <gigi-VHL> I have not heard that one

[22:11] <HostBob> Sender, God has existed from eternity past, as you said. He never had a beginning, and was always there, even when He was all there was

[22:11] <Hope-VHL> Well if the 6000 year or 6 day thing is correct, and we're off by 240 years, then we have a LONG way to go!

[22:11] <gigi-VHL> Most Jews are unsure of the history, too

[22:11] <light2-VHL> 7And remember before creation, he still had angels around him

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[22:11] <incense11> we not hope, the Jewish calendar is

[22:11] <nega-VHL> 13and Lucifer was there too

[22:11] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewEnviro.asp?Page=/Enviro/archive/ENV20000406a.html

[22:11] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> that should be right LOL

[22:11] <HostBob> There was no matter, no energy, no nothing

[22:11] <incense11> I heard that from a teaching

[22:11] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> tell me if you get it right :)

[22:12] <gigi-VHL> I think the Jewish calendar is really off....look at the signs

[22:12] <HostBob> in eternity past - just the I AM

[22:12] <HostBob> the self-existent one

[22:12] <gigi-VHL> His character is unchanging....He is always the Sovereign Lord

[22:12] <Hope-VHL> I hope they are OFF gigi, I'm really counting on it ! : )

[22:12] <incense11> Gary Cornet from Jerusalem a bible scholar told us that

[22:12] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> actually if you wanna look at times realize that the Jewish Jubilee year ended last march :) not the past march but the march before

[22:13] <HostBob> Lucifer was a created being, created at a specific point in time

[22:13] <light2-VHL> 7One way we can know what will happen to us is to study in depth the jewish feasts and holy days

[22:13] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> study the Jubilee years and you will see something really interesting :)

[22:13] <sender-VHL> 2So is being there what is meant by "the same yesterday today and forever"?

[22:13] <Hope-VHL> Worthy, so what year would we be in, did you get my question before?

[22:13] <gigi-VHL> that was the Jubliee for the 50th year of Israel....not the religious Jubliee

[22:13] <light2-VHL> 7because col 2;17 says they are a shawdow of what is to come

[22:13] <HostBob> He is described as the one "who was, and who is, and who is to come":

[22:13] <nega-VHL> 13my aunt calculated stg and said it should be around 2020

[22:14] <incense11> 5760 add 240 hope...=6000

[22:14] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> it doesn't matter :) what year we are in God's years are lots different :)

[22:14] <nega-VHL> 13I am gonna ask her again. she loves those prophecy things

[22:14] <HostBob> He has not developed at all, has not learned - He has always been the same, all knowing, all powerful

[22:14] <gigi-VHL> that is the way many scholars figure it, incense

[22:14] <sender-VHL> 2Gigi: When there was no other being than Him was He sovereign over Himself? I think this is not how He was the same!

[22:14] <HostBob> He lives outside of the time/space realm - He created it

[22:15] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> did that link work ? I meant to ask ?

[22:15] <incense11> but even they don't go by God calendar..God said April (Passover) first of month and they go by new year Rosh HaShanna (Sept./Oct.)

[22:15] <Hope-VHL> Wait, incense, that means we have 240 years left to reach the 6000?

[22:15] <light2-VHL> 7yes it works Worthy

[22:15] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> ok :)

[22:15] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> forget figuring out what year we are in :) the Jubilee just ended and we know that the end is upon us :)

[22:16] <HostBob> I'll be back in a minute - behave while I'm gone :)

[22:16] <gigi-VHL> It is hard for us to perceive a Person Who has always existed.....However, as someone commented, His name is I Am, the Eternal

[22:16] <Hope-VHL> What do you mean WORTHY?

[22:16] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> someone steal Bob's Rod of correction LOL

[22:16] <nega-VHL> 13??

[22:16] <HostBob> :) I heard that :)

[22:16] <incense11> hope...last New Year on the Jewish calandar was that....but they off add 240 to it...=6000, just like 4000 to us and now add 2000=6000

[22:16] <gigi-VHL> Amen to that worthy

[22:16] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Jubilee years you wanna know deeper insights of the Jubilee ?

[22:16] <Hope-VHL> we'll be here BOB

[22:16] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> the Law of Jubilee ?

[22:17] <gigi-VHL> I am so looking forward to seeing Jesus

[22:17] <nega-VHL> 13I will watch over Bob

[22:17] <sender-VHL> 2Since the Scriptures assert His sameness past present and future. It can be concluded (induced ) that what He was doing then (Past) must be what He is doing now and will be what He does in the future. What is it?

[22:17] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> I will watch under bob LOL

[22:17] <Hope-VHL> YES

[22:17] <gigi-VHL> He is unchanging also in the way He deals with His creatures

[22:17] <nega-VHL> 13well, Worthy

[22:17] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Ok Jubilee years every 50 years everything given back the year of celebration everything given back to their rightful owners etc

[22:17] <incense11> sender....what was will be

[22:17] <Hope-VHL> YES about the JUBILEE

[22:18] <nega-VHL> 13eu vou tomar conta disto aqui para Bob. hows that?

[22:18] <light2-VHL> 7Actually I found my jewish calender and it says it is the year 5761

[22:18] <nega-VHL> 13watch it for BOB

[22:18] <gigi-VHL> We can depend on His faithfulness, justice,and everlasting love

[22:18] <nega-VHL> 13whatever is the preposition

[22:18] <incense11> yes, light

[22:18] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> anyway Israel just finished it's jubilee year this was the year of mercy etc

[22:18] <sender-VHL> 2Far too ambiguous.

[22:18] <gigi-VHL> 5761 begins in September 2000....look again

[22:18] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> if we look at Noah there's a clue I believe directly dealing with our time K hold on let me get it out :)

[22:18] <incense11> they don't really do Jubilee any more

[22:18] <sender-VHL> 2God is an absolute God>

[22:18] <Hope-VHL> go on worthy

[22:18] <light2-VHL> 7Incense have you studied the feast days etc?

[22:18] <nega-VHL> 13I think Ill start going to a synagogue

[22:19] <incense11> yes

[22:19] <nega-VHL> 13to figure out those stuff

[22:19] <light2-VHL> 7Yes Sept 30

[22:19] <Mytan-VHL> Yes the orthodox still do, don't they?

[22:19] <gigi-VHL> we entered 5760 on Sept 11, 1999....see zola levitt for one

[22:19] <light2-VHL> 7so your right

[22:19] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Genesis 6:3 ¶ And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

[22:19] <nega-VHL> 13theres a very orthodox one here...

[22:20] <incense11> they don't give back land and such at in past

[22:20] <gigi-VHL> this website should also have a jewish calendar,...I have 4 and they alll show 5760

[22:20] <incense11> but Messianic certainly paid attention to it

[22:20] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> well according to the Jewish years of Jubilee we also just finished the 120th Jubilee since Creation

[22:20] <Mytan-VHL> Again, man has modified God's word for his own pleasure and convenience.

[22:20] <sender-VHL> 2Thanks for the chat. Maybe I can get back sometime. May the Lord bless your time and conversation!

[22:21] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> I think this could be a second fulfillment of the prophecy in Genesis a dual fold prophecy

[22:21] <incense11> nice to have you here sender

[22:21] <light2-VHL> 7God Bless you sender

[22:21] <Hope-VHL> God Bless you Sender

[22:21] <nega-VHL> 13Blessings sender!

[22:21] <Mytan-VHL> Come back again Sender. God Bless

[22:21] <light2-VHL> 7What do you mean worthy?

[22:21] <gigi-VHL> I love this chat...look forward to it evey week and hate to miss

[22:21] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> then we could go into Isaiah how Jesus stopped short of the reading in Isaiah in the synagogue

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[22:22] <HonorGod-VHL> I'm back, Hi everyone

[22:22] <incense11> hello honor

[22:22] <Hope-VHL> So how many Jubilee's are supposed to take place?

[22:22] <gigi-VHL> HI

[22:22] <HonorGod-VHL> :-)4Hi

[22:22] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> we just finished the 120th jubilee since creation

[22:22] <nega-VHL> 13Hi Honer

[22:22] <HonorGod-VHL> 4that was fast

[22:22] <incense11> do they count back that far worthy?

[22:23] <Mytan-VHL> Hey Honor, how was dinner?

[22:23] <HonorGod-VHL> 4ok, anyone heard anything on the news about Israel?

[22:23] <incense11> Barak giving away all the land

[22:23] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> figure it out incense :) significant events happened on Jubilees :)

[22:23] <HonorGod-VHL> 4not done yet, had to go spend some time with allison

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[22:23] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> 50 years for Jubilee multiplied by 120 = 6000 years

[22:24] <HonorGod-VHL> 4So will U.S. get drawn into a war to defend Isreal?

[22:24] <incense11> I'm thinking since Christ, I read only few, that must be what I'm thinking

[22:24] <Mytan-VHL> It is good to spend time with the family.

[22:24] <incense11> hi TJ

[22:24] <nega-VHL> 13hi TJ

[22:24] <TJTODD> Hi incense

[22:24] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Actually Honor guard I believe the US is destroyed because it could be drawn to help israel :)

[22:24] <HonorGod-VHL> 4Hi TJ,

[22:24] <HostBob> OK - I'm back

[22:24] <TJTODD> hi everyone

[22:24] <incense11> I just pray they do stand with her if the time comes or when

[22:25] <HostBob> Hello TJ :)

[22:25] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> WB Bob :)

[22:25] <Hope-VHL> So I guess what I had read about the 4000 and 2000 equalling the 6000 and that equals the 6th day, you don't go by that right?

[22:25] <HostBob> thanks :)

[22:25] <nega-VHL> 13"it's not enough to be a Dad, you have to participate", :)

[22:25] <incense11> Welcome Back Bob....what did you do????? :-))

[22:25] <nega-VHL> 13Hi Bob. Peace and Calm here. I just told everyone to shout up :)

[22:25] <incense11> yes, hope we do

[22:25] <HostBob> Went in to snuggle with the wifey for a minute :)

[22:25] <nega-VHL> 13hope you've washed your hands Bob

[22:25] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> actually the early church fathers believed in that principle my feeling is along the same lines that the 7th day the day of rest the Day of the Lord is about to arrive

[22:25] <HonorGod-VHL> 4I agree thats why I stay at home with the kids, nega

[22:26] <HostBob> Excellent job, Nega :)

[22:26] <light2-VHL> 7I think that the church age has been the Lords 7th day of rest

[22:26] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> hey Hope if you want to continue this we can in icq k : )

[22:26] <nega-VHL> 13did u shave Bob?

[22:26] <light2-VHL> 7Because we ceased from our works

[22:26] <HonorGod-VHL> 4ya- Bob did you

[22:27] <Hope-VHL> Yea, but Worthy, if we haven't even reached the 6000, if that's true I mean, then we're not as close as we thought, right?

[22:27] <HostBob> Nope, didn't shave :)

[22:27] <nega-VHL> 13and honer too!

[22:27] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> what about the milleniunal reign of Christ ? you don't take that 1000 years as the day of rest ? and the church age is been 2000 years ?

[22:27] <nega-VHL> 13tsc tsc

[22:27] <HonorGod-VHL> 4nope, lucky my wife takes my just as I am

[22:27] <light2-VHL> 7Well go back and shave, Bob, no bums allowed

[22:27] <HostBob> Personally, I think the "two days" and "third day" of Hosea is the most significant

[22:27] <Hope-VHL> I didn't see your response...

[22:27] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> nah remember what Jesus said about the parable of the fig tree ?

[22:27] <HostBob> :)

[22:27] <light2-VHL> 7:-)

[22:27] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> yes it also appears again in Exodus Bob

[22:27] <HonorGod-VHL> 4Jesus wasen't a bumb and to my knowlege he never shaved?

[22:27] <nega-VHL> 13female heroes!

[22:28] <HostBob> we have touched on that Hosea prophecy before in here

[22:28] <light2-VHL> 7Yea but he looked good in a beard

[22:28] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> have you touched on the Exodus similiarity ?

[22:28] <gigi-VHL> the 7th day of rest is the 1000 reign of the Lord

[22:28] <HostBob> yeah, and I don't :)

[22:28] <HonorGod-VHL> 4I have a short goatee

[22:28] <HostBob> no, Worthy - give it a while

[22:28] <HostBob> whirl

[22:28] <nega-VHL> 13well, but either you shave or let your beard grow. the middle is the worts

[22:28] <HostBob> I mean :)

[22:28] <HonorGod-VHL> 4So do you think we will all look the saem in heaven?

[22:28] <HostBob> I don't have warts :)

[22:29] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> we shall be as he is : ) read 1 John :)

[22:29] <incense11> a friend just painted a pix of Jesus and parted his beard...didn't know why... a Rabbi came into shop and saw it...said that is how Galalians wore them, another said that is how Teachers wore them...like signature

[22:29] <HostBob> no, honor, we will look much much better :)

[22:29] <gigi-VHL> we have not ceased from our works but are created for good works in the Lord AFTER our salvation by faith

[22:29] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> hey Bob I gotta jet take care all and God bless :)

[22:29] <HostBob> See ya Worthy! God bless!

[22:29] <Hope-VHL> God bless you Worthy!

[22:29] <light2-VHL> 7Yes gigi, but the idea being we don't work, Christ does the work in uw

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[22:29] <light2-VHL> 7us

[22:29] <HonorGod-VHL> 4later Worth

[22:30] <HonorGod-VHL> 4y

[22:30] <gigi-VHL> we do it for Him....How can he reward us otherwise

[22:30] <incense11> hey Bob, did into that bag again, only pull easy one

[22:30] <HonorGod-VHL> 4So Jesus talks about us (his children) eating at the supper table in heaven

[22:30] <light2-VHL> 7No we don't do anything for him

[22:30] <HostBob> I've been looking at Jeremiah 10 lately, in terms of end times significance

[22:30] <light2-VHL> 7read John 15

[22:31] <light2-VHL> 7He is the vine and we are only the branches

[22:31] <gigi-VHL> we cannot be in the 7th day....the tribulation has not occurred.

[22:31] <incense11> and ....jer.10 what is your thoughts

[22:31] <light2-VHL> 7The vine makes the branches bear fruit

[22:31] <HonorGod-VHL> 4will their be need of food in heaven ? I don't believe we will so what will we eat?

[22:31] <light2-VHL> 7No flesh shall glory in His presence

[22:31] <HostBob> Well, a little background - remember that Jesus said it would be like the days of Noah?

[22:32] <Hope-VHL> I CAN'T WAIT HONOR! Yea, I believe we'll eat!

[22:32] <HostBob> remember the Nephilim?

[22:32] <incense11> I think what all God put in the garden...berries

[22:32] <incense11> yes bob

[22:32] <HostBob> which could have been some kind of spirit beings that left their place and came down

[22:32] <incense11> yes

[22:32] <HonorGod-VHL> 4I enjoy fish and spegetti, do you think that will be up in heaven?

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[22:32] <nega-VHL> 13hi again

[22:32] <HostBob> anyway, we are seeing a huge interest in the paranormal..

[22:32] <HostBob> and UFOs..

[22:33] <gigi-VHL> the 7th day occurs after the Trib

[22:33] <HostBob> channelling

[22:33] <Hope-VHL> Bob, Worthy asks if you have ICQ and to check out Exodus 19:10-11

[22:33] <light2-VHL> 7Do you believe they were angels that left their first estate Bob??

[22:33] <HostBob> and so forth

[22:33] <incense11> yes, fallen angels

[22:33] <HostBob> yes, I think so, light

[22:33] <incense11> demons

[22:33] <HostBob> and.... it seems that the new age propaganda is preparing people for another intervention like that

[22:33] <light2-VHL> 7Maybe that is where all the greek mythology actually came from true stories then

[22:34] <HostBob> perhaps not UFOs as such, but some kind of spiritual (demonic) wise masters to come ...

[22:34] <Hope-VHL> Bob, DO YOU HAVE ICQ?

[22:34] <HostBob> "help" us and "save" us...

[22:34] <HostBob> no

[22:34] <incense11> yes, satan can not invent or come up with anything himself, he preverts Gods word

[22:34] <gigi-VHL> I think they did...ufo sightings are up...they are demonic

[22:34] <HostBob> anyway.. with tthat background, here is Jeremiah 10:

[22:34] <Hope-VHL> o.k. thanks

[22:34] <light2-VHL> 7Well I hope they save Clinton and hillary first!:-)

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[22:34] <HostBob> This is what the LORD says: "Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the sky, though the nations are terrified by them. (Jeremiah 10:2 NIV)

[22:35] <HostBob> Welcome back bread

[22:35] <HonorGod-VHL> 4Bob, I saw your site and the maps very nice

[22:35] <HostBob> thanks :)

[22:35] <gigi-VHL> they are exciting as they point to the soon return of the Lord

[22:35] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6Hello I had to go to Praise and Worship Practice

[22:35] <HonorGod-VHL> 4Does anyone think that the Clintons are christians?

[22:35] <HostBob> if in fact there are some kind of ETs that come masquerading as wise visitors...

[22:35] <nega-VHL> 13Hi Bread

[22:35] <light2-VHL> 7Sometimes I think that the ufo siteings may be things the government are up to

[22:36] <Hope-VHL> WHERE ARE THEIR FRUIT????

[22:36] <HostBob> perhaps that verse is referring to that..

[22:36] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6He nega glad to see u still here

[22:36] <nega-VHL> 13whats Peretti's book title? It helped me a lot to understand those demon things

[22:36] <TJTODD> have any of you heard about May 5th?

[22:36] <HostBob> verses 3-5 talk about the idols that man makes

[22:36] <nega-VHL> 13Fiesta Mexico?

[22:36] <light2-VHL> 7What is May 5th?

[22:36] <gigi-VHL> chuck missler also has a good book....alien intervention

[22:37] <HostBob> and then the next verses contrast that with our God

[22:37] <HostBob> No one is like you, O LORD; you are great, and your name is mighty in power.

[22:37] <gigi-VHL> yes, the alignnment of May 5

[22:37] <nega-VHL> 13May 5th is also a friend's bday

[22:37] <HostBob> Who should not revere you, O King of the nations? This is your due. Among all the wise men of the nations and in all their kingdoms, there is no one like you.

[22:37] <nega-VHL> 13Fiesta Mexico

[22:37] <Hope-VHL> Hi TJ, didn't see you pop in! : )

[22:37] <incense11> Bob, evangelist says, fallen angels had sex with daughters of men.. when those ppl. died, their spirit did not and demons are not mention until after flood...

[22:37] <HostBob> They are all senseless and foolish; they are taught by worthless wooden idols.

[22:37] <gigi-VHL> the Name above all names

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[22:37] <TJTODD> All of the planets are suppose to line up and it may cause earthquakes,weather conditions bad.

[22:38] <TJTODD> hi hope

[22:38] <HostBob> Verse 10 and 11 are significant... listen

[22:38] <HostBob> But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God, the eternal King. When he is angry, the earth trembles; the nations cannot endure his wrath.

[22:38] <HostBob> "Tell them this: 'These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.'"

[22:38] <nega-VHL> 13Never heard of that TJ

[22:38] <gigi-VHL> scientists are supposedly worried about gravitational pull

[22:38] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6Are weather people talking about that

[22:38] <nega-VHL> 13I think I have been too much alienated of whats going on in the world

[22:38] <light2-VHL> 7Bob did you read the last verse of Jer 10, vs 25

[22:38] <nega-VHL> 13just as they were about the milleniun bug?

[22:38] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6I am with you Nega

[22:38] <gigi-VHL> a lot is happening

[22:39] <TJTODD> it's suppose to happen this Friday night on the 5th of May

[22:39] <HostBob> I think that perhaps this is one of the things that we will be "telling them" when the time comes - testifying about the true GOd and telling them their false gods will perish

[22:39] <gigi-VHL> Yes, may 5 -7

[22:39] <nega-VHL> 13you people worry too much. no stress. take it easy. whatever will, will be

[22:39] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6I truly believe that the true millenium does not begin until Jan 2001

[22:39] <HostBob> yes, Light, I'll paste it for everyone...

[22:39] <HonorGod-VHL> 4you cna go to a site called www.reuters.com and read the latest news wires

[22:39] <incense11> Amen Bob

[22:39] <gigi-VHL> I am not worried....i want to be informed...that is why I am a prophecy student

[22:39] <HostBob> Pour out your wrath on the nations that do not acknowledge you, on the peoples who do not call on your name. For they have devoured Jacob; they have devoured him completely and destroyed his homeland. (Jeremiah 10:25 NIV)

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[22:40] <nega-VHL> 13the millenium has passed 5 yrs ago

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[22:40] <gigi-VHL> the Lord commanded to be aware of the signs and the time in which we live

[22:40] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6Regardless of what happens God's people woll be kept safe

[22:40] <TJTODD> how you figure that nega?

[22:40] <HonorGod-VHL> 4nega explain that view please

[22:40] <nega-VHL> 13ok, Ill look up at it. but wont it be cool if we can fly for a while?

[22:41] <light2-VHL> 7But he also tells us in Ps 91 that only with our eyes will we behold and see the reward of the wicked

[22:41] <HostBob> She's right - Jesus was born in 4 PC

[22:41] <nega-VHL> 13I learnt in History class that the Pope Gregory calculated wrongly the date

[22:41] <HostBob> so 1996 was 2000 years, right?

[22:41] <HostBob> 4 BC

[22:41] <HonorGod-VHL> 4as the gegorian and julian calanders tell it the new millinium begins 2001

[22:41] <nega-VHL> 135 or 6 yrs before the decrete there was another one and they calculated by the wrong one

[22:41] <gigi-VHL> that is right...the millinium never begins on the zero year

[22:41] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6Only God really knows time that is why we will not know the day nor the hour

[22:42] <TJTODD> don't you guys know that none of our calendars are right?

[22:42] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6when Christ shall return

[22:42] <HostBob> that date (4 BC) is widely accepted - Luke was very specific in the chronology and they can compare that to the secular records

[22:42] <nega-VHL> 13they were still using the Roman calendar after the empire's fall

[22:42] <light2-VHL> 7Because we have made the Lord, " Who is our refuge" even the Most High Thy Habitation

[22:42] <gigi-VHL> but we are to know the Season

[22:42] <incense11> that's right

[22:42] <HostBob> yes, and see the signs of the times

[22:42] <light2-VHL> 7Hey he is my Habitation, how bout you all??

[22:42] <HostBob> but not set dates

[22:42] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6We can estimate, but even then we will not know

[22:42] <gigi-VHL> YES

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[22:42] <gigi-VHL> RIGHT...to set dates is foolish

[22:43] <nega-VHL> 13the Wise men only knew because they saw the star. They saw the sign

[22:43] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6We know that we are in the last days because you can not even tell the seasons except by the leaves on

[22:43] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6the trees

[22:43] <light2-VHL> 7I believe the scripture says that God will warn his prophets of things to come

[22:43] <incense11> let's stay on the aliment, the calendar, or Bob's question...so we will understand what all is being said

[22:43] <gigi-VHL> and we are looking and watching....

[22:43] <nega-VHL> 13here there are only two seasons: rainny and dry... and the temp is always the same

[22:43] <light2-VHL> 7I mean his servants

[22:43] <TJTODD> you're right light2

[22:43] <Hope-VHL152> Man, I got booted out........a few seconds does a lot in the conversation here! : )

[22:43] <HonorGod-VHL> 4but the weather has changed so drasticlly, the trees are budding out of season etc

[22:43] <gigi-VHL> things are popping with this group

[22:43] <HostBob> :)

[22:44] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6exactly it is supposed to spring according to the trees

[22:44] <HostBob> yeah, and my head is popping after awhile LOL

[22:44] <gigi-VHL> even the nonchristians are commenting about the weather

[22:44] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6but this 40 degree weather does not agree

[22:44] <Hope-VHL152> What were you talking about BOB

[22:44] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6I am in North Carolina

[22:44] <gigi-VHL> just moved from NC to Texas...what a difference

[22:44] <HostBob> We touched on Jeremiah 10

[22:44] <incense11> jer. 10

[22:44] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6You are right Gi Gi

[22:44] <nega-VHL> 13I am 8 degrees under Equator line

[22:45] <nega-VHL> 13I believe you gigi

[22:45] <gigi-VHL> will take a while to adjust

[22:45] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6Nega it is always hot there?

[22:45] <nega-VHL> 13yes bread. always around 28 C

[22:45] <HonorGod-VHL> 4I told my daughter ealier that when the wind blows, that is God blowing from his mouth, to cool us off from the heat, of a hot day

[22:45] <HostBob> more good stuff from Jer 10:

[22:45] <HostBob> They are worthless, the objects of mockery; when their judgment comes, they will perish. (Jeremiah 10:15 NIV)

[22:45] <HostBob> (false gods)

[22:46] <HostBob> He who is the Portion of Jacob is not like these, for he is the Maker of all things, including Israel, the tribe of his inheritance-- the LORD Almighty is his name. (Jeremiah 10:16 NIV)

[22:46] <nega-VHL> 13its because you've never been to a desert Honor, hehe

[22:46] <gigi-VHL> Jermiah is a strong and rich book

[22:46] <HostBob> Hallelujah!

[22:46] <light2-VHL> 7You know there are alot of false Gods today

[22:46] <HostBob> yes, light

[22:46] <HonorGod-VHL> 4oh yes, I've been to the desert,LOL

[22:46] <light2-VHL> 7America has them everywhere

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[22:46] <light2-VHL> 7People worship their money, homes, cars etc

[22:46] <nega-VHL> 13Oh yeah, I forgot them

[22:46] <gigi-VHL> Praise the Name of Jesus, OUr Savior forever

[22:46] <HostBob> Welcome, Zeee!

[22:47] <nega-VHL> 13Hi Zeee

[22:47] <HostBob> Yes, Jesus is GREAT!

[22:47] <Zeee-VHL> hi Bob

[22:47] <HonorGod-VHL> 4does anyone think that we will have a single currency soon?

[22:47] <Zeee-VHL> hi all

[22:47] <nega-VHL> 13Nega 2 X Bob 5

[22:47] <gigi-VHL> Yes

[22:47] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6People if they are not careful can worship their Pastor too

[22:47] <HostBob> huh Nega? :)

[22:47] <nega-VHL> 13I think so Honor

[22:47] <gigi-VHL> the Euro is leading the way

[22:47] <light2-VHL> 7Not far off honor

[22:47] <HonorGod-VHL> 4anyone heard of Rod Parsley?

[22:47] <Hope-VHL152> The Euro dropped in value right?

[22:47] <nega-VHL> 13"competition on who says hi first" :)

[22:47] <gigi-VHL> I have

[22:47] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6Yes, he is awesome man of God

[22:47] <Zeee-VHL> I have honor

[22:47] <light2-VHL> 7All the new money here looks like play money

[22:48] <HostBob> :)

[22:48] <nega-VHL> 13never heard of him

[22:48] <HostBob> I don't think much of him

[22:48] <Zeee-VHL> what makes you say that mbread

[22:48] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6He has alot of deep revelation from God

[22:48] <HostBob> but ... let's not go there

[22:48] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6Nega you can get him on the initernet under Rod Parsley

[22:48] <HostBob> We all pay way too much attention to this person or that

[22:48] <Hope-VHL152> could a single currency be credit cards?

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[22:48] <nega-VHL> 13ok mbread

[22:49] <HonorGod-VHL> 4Bob I new you would take that view, I have a hard time seeing him selling his books and tapes, And memberships , much like the old PTL Club

[22:49] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6He brings the word to in such simplicity

[22:49] <nega-VHL> 13I think it will all be e-stg Hope

[22:49] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6that you can not help but the see the word jump right put at you

[22:49] <gigi-VHL> I do not either, bob....our pastor was asked to participate in one of his meetings and when he refused, his people got upset and told this pastor that he missed an opportunity to sit on the stage with rod

[22:49] <mytan-VHL> I got kicked off.

[22:49] <nega-VHL> 13e-money, e-check, e-mail, e-tax

[22:49] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6oops out

[22:49] <HonorGod-VHL> 4and I think his message is good, but the selling of stuff is well, open to discussion

[22:49] <HostBob> Incense, let's drop the Parsley discussion, please :)

[22:50] <HostBob> oooppsssss

[22:50] <HostBob> not incense

[22:50] <nega-VHL> 13hehehe Bob

[22:50] <gigi-VHL> Rod also has to ride in his limousine by himself...to separate himself from his family

[22:50] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6ok

[22:50] <Hope-VHL152> I don't even know who he is!

[22:50] <HostBob> mistype - I started one thought and finished another

[22:50] <nega-VHL> 13it seems that issue is not very nice... Ill look for this guy, LOL

[22:50] <HostBob> that was not directed at you incense :)

[22:50] <incense11> sorry Bob. I never mentioned him

[22:50] <HostBob> I was going to say - Incense, grab another question from the bag :)

[22:50] <incense11> :-))

[22:51] <incense11> shake

[22:51] <nega-VHL> 13so, is may 5th an example of Jer 10?

[22:51] <incense11> let's get this May 5th over with

[22:51] <nega-VHL> 13ok

[22:51] <HostBob> Nega, personally I don't see much significance to May 5

[22:51] <Hope-VHL152> He couldn't be worse that Van Impe! :-) Couldn't help it!!! : )

[22:51] <nega-VHL> 13its because I had nothing better to talk about LOL

[22:51] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6You know where I live we have a at least two hurricanes every year

[22:51] <HostBob> OK - here's a question...

[22:51] <gigi-VHL> amen..hope...all the big ones are falling down

[22:51] <HonorGod-VHL> 4ok, go for it Bob

[22:52] <incense11> anyone else on May 5th...speak now or forever hold your peace

[22:52] <Hope-VHL152> May 5th is just my nieces birthday to me! : )

[22:52] <nega-VHL> 13I didnt even know about it before TJ said. For me it was a Mexicos day and my friends bday

[22:52] <HostBob> Scriptures that you refer to when you need encouragement, refreshing, invigoration

[22:52] <gigi-VHL> let's compare notes next monday about may 5

[22:52] <HonorGod-VHL> 4the 5th is my wifes 29th birthday

[22:52] <HostBob> Let's hear from you

[22:52] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6HonorGod where are u from?

[22:52] <Zeee-VHL> John 4:4

[22:52] <HostBob> which is what, Zee?

[22:52] <HonorGod-VHL> 4from California

[22:53] <nega-VHL> 13Happy bday Mrs HonorGod!!!!!!

[22:53] <gigi-VHL> may 5 is the date of my salvation...thank you LORD!!!

[22:53] <Zeee-VHL> ack...1john 4:4

[22:53] <incense11> God knows the Plans He has for you (me)

[22:53] <light2-VHL> 7well I memorize Ps 91, it is so good to be under his wings

[22:53] <HostBob> :)

[22:53] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6tell your wife Happy B-day

[22:53] <HonorGod-VHL> 4Thanks Nega

[22:53] <HostBob> Now he had to go through Samaria. (John 4:4 NIV)

[22:53] <light2-VHL> 7Is that a jack Benny 29 honor???:-)

[22:53] <nega-VHL> 13ok. I thought stg was wrong with John4: 4 at this point of the chat :)

[22:53] <Hope-VHL152> ROMANS 8: 31

[22:53] <HostBob> That one encourages me too - that Jesus ended up in Samaria right when that woman at the well needed Him :)

[22:54] <mytan-VHL> Happy Birthday Mrs. HonorGod

[22:54] <Zeee-VHL> 1 John 4:4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

[22:54] <HonorGod-VHL> 4ok, now it's time to eat dinner, talk to you all soon, about an hour, May God bless you and Keep you

[22:54] <HostBob> Amen, Zee :)

[22:54] <light2-VHL> 7How bout nothing can separate us from the Love of Christ

[22:54] <gigi-VHL> I really think Isaiah 17:1 is on the horizon where Damascus will cease being a city

[22:54] <nega-VHL> 13Bye Honor!

[22:54] <HostBob> Yes, Gigi - I agree

[22:54] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6My avorite verse is no weapon formed against me shall prosper

[22:54] <incense11> that Yeshua had to pray 3 times to go thru with what His Father wanted Him to do...

[22:54] <HostBob> yes, incense

[22:55] <gigi-VHL> Latest date for Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon is July 7

[22:55] <Hope-VHL152> What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? Romans 8:31

[22:55] <Hope-VHL152> NIV

[22:55] <nega-VHL> 13MY fav is Romans 8:18-39

[22:55] <incense11> amen hope

[22:55] <Zeee-VHL> The Lord has a way of revealing those of us who really know him,

[22:55] <HostBob> That's right - no matter how lousy we feel, no matter how unloved we may feel

[22:55] <Zeee-VHL> and those that don't!!! Think about it! Al Gore gave a big speech this week

[22:56] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6I like in when Jesus was in the garden fo Gethsame and he prayed ofr the cup

[22:56] <Zeee-VHL> about how his faith is so "important" to him. In this attempt to convince

[22:56] <incense11> Amos 9:11...I will restore the Tabernacle of David

[22:56] <HostBob> oh my, Zee

[22:56] <Zeee-VHL> the American people that we should consider him for president, he

[22:56] <HostBob> Good one, incense!!

[22:56] <Zeee-VHL> announced that his favorite Bible verse is John 16:3.

[22:56] <Zeee-VHL> Of course the speech writer meant John 3:16, but nobody in the Gore

[22:56] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6to passed from him and then he said never the less not my will but your will be done.

[22:56] <Zeee-VHL> camp was familiar enough with scripture to catch the error

[22:56] <Zeee-VHL> And do you know what John 16:3 says? John 16:3

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[22:56] <Zeee-VHL> "And they will do this because they have not known the Father nor Me"

[22:56] <Hope-VHL152> WHAT A LAUGH!!!!

[22:57] <nega-VHL> 13just that he doesnt know God!

[22:57] <HostBob> now that's prophetic :)

[22:57] <incense11> Greater things will you do

[22:57] <incense11> to the Jew first,

[22:57] <Hope-VHL152> John 16:3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.........

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[22:58] <Zeee-VHL> hehehe

[22:58] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6but he loved me while I was yet his enemy\

[22:58] <nega-VHL> 13hi mosey

[22:58] <HostBob> Welcome, Mosey :)

[22:58] <Hope-VHL152> HOW FUNNY THAT HE SAID THAT VERSE!!!! it goes perfectly with him!

[22:58] <mosey-VHL> Hi, all

[22:58] <gigi-VHL> well all....this week has been great as usual...so good to have fellowship with other believers across the country, esp after being out in the pagan world

[22:58] <incense11> awhhhh this one...Ezekiel I will put the stick of Judah and the stick of Ephraim in one hand and make one stick out of them

[22:58] <nega-VHL> 13Nega 3 X Bob 5

[22:58] <mytan-VHL> Love you all in Christ but must go now. Have been preoccupied with things here any way. Talk to you all next week, God willing. Gods blessings and mercy on you all.

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[22:58] <Zeee-VHL> Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

[22:58] <HostBob> Hello, Me :)

[22:59] <nega-VHL> 13across the world gigi :)

[22:59] <gigi-VHL> oh yes

[22:59] <Hope-VHL152> God bless you Mytan and Gigi, good night

[22:59] <HostBob> :)

[22:59] <mytan-VHL> Goodbye Me.

[22:59] <gigi-VHL> good night

[22:59] <me-VHL> hello Bob

[22:59] <nega-VHL> 13oh man! Nega 3 X 6 Bob

[22:59] <HostBob> See ya mytan - great to have you again!

[22:59] <nega-VHL> 13bye gigi

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[22:59] <nega-VHL> 13hi me

[22:59] <gigi-VHL> the Lord bless

[22:59] <incense11> night all leaving..and hello new ones

[23:00] <me-VHL> hi nega

[23:00] <gigi-VHL> good night all.....hope the rapture is soon....I will get to see all of you

[23:00] <mbreadoflife-VHL> 6:-)

[23:00] <nega-VHL> 13Amen gigi :)

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[23:00] <incense11> ditto gigi

[23:00] <Hope-VHL152> Great verse, Zeee

[23:00] <HostBob> From Jerusalem Post:

[23:00] <HostBob> According to reports reaching Israel, Syrian President Hafez Assad is actively encouraging terrorist activity in south Lebanon.

[23:00] <HostBob> Israel Radio reports that Assad met recently with four terrorist organization leaders and said that the request to keep activity in the security zone on a low frame - a request made while peace talks with Israel were being explored - had been lifted now.

[23:00] <Zeee-VHL> hopefully all of us, eh? :)

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[23:01] <incense11> I know Bob...so how can Barak give in when he knows this and hears this

[23:01] <HostBob> It will be soon - just think how short this life is, and then we will be together in Glory

[23:01] <nega-VHL> 13people always talk about Israel invading Lebanon and so on but never talk about Syria provoking the civil war and messing around Lebanon...

[23:01] <HostBob> It's bewildering to me also, incense

[23:02] <incense11> :-)):-)):-))....;-)

[23:02] <Hope-VHL152> It seems like Barak is being pushed into a corner.......

[23:02] <HostBob> Yes, Nega, that's right - Syria is the oppressor, the occupying power in Lebanon

[23:02] <incense11> pushed???

[23:02] <incense11> he is Giving

[23:02] <HostBob> pushed, or running? :)

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[23:03] <nega-VHL> 13I just wonder how much money they are getting and who is paying

[23:03] <Hope-VHL152> Well, ok maybe wrong word......but the Arabs surrounding him, and the world really are literally pushing him to sign away land for peace....

[23:03] <incense11> awhhhh..

[23:03] <HostBob> Israel continues to make more noise about how vigorously they will respond if terrorist attacks occur from Lebanon after the withdrawal

[23:03] <nega-VHL> 13if he didnt want to he would not give away

[23:03] <HostBob> they are sending a message

[23:04] <nega-VHL> 13somebody is planning to make lots of money on all this stuff

[23:04] <incense11> I wonder if Jews will ever respond...I wish they would

[23:04] <Hope-VHL152> I just feel like he's digging his own grave, that's all....

[23:04] <incense11> I know some are....settlers

[23:05] <nega-VHL> 13sometimes I am kinda marxist when it comes to events - theres alays stg economical behind it

[23:05] <HostBob> they will, incense :)

[23:05] <HostBob> On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD going before them. (Zechariah 12:8 NIV)

[23:05] <nega-VHL> 13orthodox jews must be really angry at him

[23:05] <Zeee-VHL> :-(

[23:06] <HostBob> There are certainly economic forces at work, Nega, especially in regards to oil...

[23:06] <Zeee-VHL> Bob..when do you think that might happen?

[23:07] <nega-VHL> 13money is the world's fhghgh I dont know the nme in English (what a surprise :-O)

[23:07] <HostBob> That one, Zee, seems to be talking about when Jesus comes to fight for them...

[23:07] <HostBob> On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem. (Zechariah 12:9 NIV)

[23:07] <incense11> nega....god

[23:07] <HostBob> "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. (Zechariah 12:10 NIV)

[23:07] <Zeee-VHL> But, doesn't happen until Armageddon

[23:08] <nega-VHL> 13not exactly that incence. more what makes the world turn... tanx anyway :)

[23:08] <HostBob> yes, apparently

[23:08] <Zeee-VHL> will bring in the millenial kingdom

[23:08] <incense11> I know...but really it is to Americans

[23:08] <nega-VHL> 13wow...

[23:08] <HostBob> "On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity. (Zechariah 13:1 NIV)

[23:09] <Zeee-VHL> yes...the "Living water'

[23:09] <HostBob> 'and I will remove the sin of this land in a single day.

[23:09] <HostBob> Zech 3:9

[23:10] <Zeee-VHL> Zec 14:8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.

[23:10] <HostBob> Yes!

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[23:11] <nega-VHL> 13Praise the Lord

[23:11] <Zeee-VHL> John 7:38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."

[23:11] <nega-VHL> 13how come people dont see those accomplished prophecies??

[23:11] <incense11> only thing about that prophecy is we won't be able to float in dead sea anymore. ... oh well, with new bodies, we be perfect

[23:11] <janerc-VHL> Hello.....anyone there?

[23:11] <HostBob> Praise the Lord who is still at work in our day!

[23:11] <mosey-VHL> That will solve one of Israel's perennial problems - lack of water!

[23:11] <nega-VHL> 13hi janerc

[23:11] <HostBob> Hello, Jane!

[23:11] <mosey-VHL> Hello, Jane

[23:11] <nega-VHL> 13Nega 4 X 6 Bob

[23:11] <incense11> hello jan

[23:11] <nega-VHL> 13almost there

[23:11] <HostBob> yes, Mosey - they will have plenty

[23:11] <HostBob> :)

[23:11] <janerc-VHL> 5Hi everyone........how are you all?

[23:11] <Zeee-VHL> hahaha...at that point Mosey there will be no problems at all :)

[23:12] <incense11> I am good

[23:12] <nega-VHL> 13I am great, thank God

[23:12] <mosey-VHL> at least until closer to the end of the millennium!

[23:12] <Zeee-VHL> Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

[23:12] <janerc-VHL> 5Good to hear......gotta a conversation goin on?

[23:13] <incense11> not sure....do we Bob... just listening myself

[23:13] <HostBob> We were just looking at some prophecies in Zechariah, and marvelling at what the Lord will do!

[23:13] <janerc-VHL> 6thanks for the update.......i will try to follow along!

[23:13] <Zeee-VHL> Last year this month I stood in front of the tomb of Zechariah....He is buried on the side of the Mount of Olives...

[23:14] <HostBob> wow, Zeee

[23:14] <Zeee-VHL> My guess is (not scriptural) that his very own prophecy will come true on that very spot....

[23:14] <Zeee-VHL> Zec 14:4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

[23:15] <mosey-VHL> Could be - your guess about the exact location is as good as anyone else's.

[23:15] <HostBob> Yes, and look at the verse before...

[23:15] <HostBob> Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle.

[23:15] <HostBob> the "LORD" is Yahweh, Jehovah

[23:15] <Zeee-VHL> Amen

[23:16] <HostBob> a good reference for people in cults that deny the deity of Jesus..

[23:16] <incense11> I believe that to be the 2nd coming

[23:16] <light2-VHL> 7Even so come Lord Jesus!

[23:16] <HostBob> verse 3 says YHVH will come, and verse 4 says "His feet"

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[23:16] <Zeee-VHL> me too incense :)

[23:16] <incense11> right

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[23:16] <light2-VHL> 7Have to go ,bible time here, God Bless you all and keep Looking Up!!

[23:16] <Hope-VHL152> THANKS for a great prophecy chat BOB, :-) Good night everyone, God bless you all!

[23:16] <HostBob> Welcome, Angel, Sue

[23:17] <HostBob> See ya hope :)

[23:17] <Zeee-VHL> g'night hope

[23:17] <nega-VHL> 13bye Light Blessings!!!

[23:17] <incense11> night light

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[23:17] <nega-VHL> 13oh no! I give up

[23:17] <HostBob> Bye Light!

[23:17] <HostBob> :)

[23:17] <Zeee-VHL> but remember...He will come back to the very spot in which He left.

[23:17] <nega-VHL> 13Hi Angel! Hi Sue!

[23:17] <HostBob> Yes, Zee

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[23:17] <incense11> hey angel and sue

[23:17] <nega-VHL> 13so, lets move up to Jerusalem :)

[23:17] <HostBob> and WE are in verse 5 :)

[23:17] <incense11> yes, I'm ready

[23:18] <HostBob> Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

[23:18] <Angel-VHL> hi

[23:18] <nega-VHL> 13but I dont feel like touching guns though...

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[23:18] <Zeee-VHL> not only the same place...but,

[23:18] <HostBob> Welcome, Leon!

[23:18] <Zeee-VHL> Acts 1:11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

[23:18] <HostBob> yes, Zee!

[23:18] <incense11> hello leon

[23:18] <Zeee-VHL> in the SAME way

[23:18] <me-VHL> sorry I signed on and had to go but I'm back now ! what are we discussing?

[23:19] <mosey-VHL> 2Exactly, Zeee. The word says in the same manner, not in the exact same place!

[23:19] <nega-VHL> 13Hi Leon

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[23:19] <HostBob> some prophecies in Zechariah

[23:19] <nega-VHL> 13so, lets stay where we are :)

[23:19] <HostBob> regarding the return of the Lord Jesus

[23:19] <nega-VHL> 13I am quite well here

[23:19] <Angel-VHL> this is new to me talking to other christians

[23:19] <Zeee-VHL> Mosey...I am guessing the same place because of Zechariah's prophecy

[23:19] <Leon-VHL> Hi

[23:19] <incense11> ohhhh how sad nega

[23:19] <nega-VHL> 13Hey Angel, feel at home

[23:19] <HostBob> Nega, I thought you were going to Europe? You'll just be a boat ride away :)

[23:20] <incense11> new angel..are you just saved?

[23:20] <nega-VHL> 13why incense?

[23:20] <nega-VHL> 13Yeah Bob. Hopefully Ill go to Europe

[23:20] <mosey-VHL> 2But The Mount of Olives is quite large -

[23:20] <HostBob> Angel, we are glad you are here! It's a friendly bunch

[23:20] <me-VHL> 2hi angel,

[23:20] <Zeee-VHL> not so large mosey

[23:20] <incense11> I love Israel...our Lord was from there,

[23:20] <nega-VHL> 13but I dont know if Ill have courage to go to Israel

[23:20] <Angel-VHL> yes im a baby christian

[23:20] <HostBob> We love the Lord Jesus, and speak about His word in here :)

[23:20] <Zeee-VHL> in fact not large at all

[23:20] <me-VHL> 2how many of you have been to Israel

[23:21] <nega-VHL> 13although my aunt went there in 82 or 83. when there was a war going on

[23:21] <Zeee-VHL> nega...gooooo you will love it

[23:21] <mosey-VHL> 2I've been there - there are lots of places He could descend on, and still be on the Mount of Olives.

[23:21] <incense11> me...twice

[23:21] <Angel-VHL> Hi me

[23:21] <Zeee-VHL> ahhh...I see what you are saying mosey

[23:21] <nega-VHL> 13never been there. If I go, I will need a guide, anyway :)

[23:21] <incense11> want to go again

[23:21] <mosey-VHL> 2I lived in Israel for about six years.

[23:21] <nega-VHL> 13Thats u Mosey!

[23:21] <mosey-VHL> 2And went back for a visit once.

[23:21] <HostBob> If anyone has any questions, fire away! I'm sure there are people here who can answer

[23:21] <incense11> wow mosey..why you move

[23:22] <nega-VHL> 13u will be my guide but you'll have to wait till I have money LOL

[23:22] <Leon-VHL> I have never been maybe some doy to the Holyland.

[23:22] <incense11> angel...when saved

[23:22] <mosey-VHL> 2We moved for several reasons - but like a good girl, I brought my hubby home to mommy! :->

[23:22] <HostBob> You lived there, Mosey? What part?

[23:23] <nega-VHL> 13LOL Mosey

[23:23] <incense11> where is home

[23:23] <Zeee-VHL> I have a question....

[23:23] <Angel-VHL> :-)6about one month

[23:23] <mosey-VHL> 2I started off in J

[23:23] <Zeee-VHL> who is the antichrist? :)

[23:23] <incense11> Congradulations angel

[23:23] <nega-VHL> 13I think its Bob

[23:23] <Angel-VHL> 6hi incense

[23:23] <mosey-VHL> 2Sorry - I started off in J'lem, and then on the outskirts of Tel Avav

[23:23] <me-VHL> 2Good question zee

[23:23] <nega-VHL> 13becaue\se of his crown

[23:23] <HostBob> Great, Angel! The angels in heaven are probably still partying over your decision!!!!

[23:24] <HostBob> nega! :)

[23:24] <nega-VHL> 13Amen Bob

[23:24] <me-VHL> 2your game nega

[23:24] <Zeee-VHL> Angel...WELCOME!

[23:24] <Zeee-VHL> God is sooo good, eh?

[23:24] <incense11> what faith are you with

[23:24] <HostBob> Yes, sooooooo good!

[23:24] <nega-VHL> 13I heard that the maitreya has been borns already

[23:24] <Angel-VHL> 6thank you zeee:-)

[23:25] <mosey-VHL> 2Nega, what's the maitreya?

[23:25] <HostBob> there is a man who calls himself maitreya, but personally I don't think he is the one

[23:25] <Leon-VHL> Zeee yes he is!

[23:25] <nega-VHL> 13Angel, please, if I say anything at all that shcks you or give you doubts, dont exitate to tell me, ok?

[23:25] <Angel-VHL> 6god is great!!!!!:-)

[23:25] <me-VHL> 2I suppose we have all given up on the pope theory

[23:25] <HostBob> Angel, keep on reading your Bible regularly - it is our spiritual food

[23:26] <HostBob> Yes, isn't He Angel! His power to rescue us is incredible!

[23:26] <Zeee-VHL> oh my...you are so right bob....can I tell ya'll a very quick story??

[23:26] <nega-VHL> 13I think ihe theory is changing to the muslims

[23:26] <nega-VHL> 13they grow more and more everyday

[23:26] <HostBob> Sure, Zee

[23:26] <incense11> yes, I agree nega

[23:26] <Zeee-VHL> I have been trying to witness to my next door neighbor for NINE YEARS

[23:26] <Zeee-VHL> we would argue fuss anf ight over things "religious"

[23:27] <mosey-VHL> 2Nega, the Jews would never accept a muslim the way the prophecies show they will accept the Antichrist.

[23:27] <Zeee-VHL> then one day...about 3 months ago...I realized he did not have a Bible...

[23:27] <incense11> yes, they will mosey

[23:27] <Zeee-VHL> I gave him mine while we sat and talked.....

[23:27] <mosey-VHL> 2What makes you think so, Zeee?

[23:27] <nega-VHL> 13Yeah, Mosey, that I know...

[23:27] <Zeee-VHL> 3 months later He and his wife and oldest daughter came walking down the aisle at church to accept Jesus as their Savior

[23:28] <Zeee-VHL> I had been trying to win him with MY WORDS

[23:28] <mosey-VHL> 2Sorry - Inscence - what makes you think so?

[23:28] <incense11> great Zee....but don't fight and argue with next ones... :-))

[23:28] <HostBob> the word of God is living and active, more powerful that a double edged sword

[23:28] <nega-VHL> 13Praise the Lord Zee :)

[23:28] <Zeee-VHL> thanks incense

[23:28] <nega-VHL> 13LOL incense

[23:28] <HostBob> :)

[23:29] <nega-VHL> 13I wish my friends would come to Christ

[23:29] <Zeee-VHL> the Word of God convicts man

[23:29] <me-VHL> 2thats so wonderful zeee did you know that the gidions do powerful evangalism with the word of God

[23:29] <incense11> cos Catholic and Muslim 2 largest religions, and combinding..

[23:29] <nega-VHL> 13since 1992 we are friends and things never changed

[23:29] <HostBob> I came to the Lord when I was 18 after reading the Bible on my own for some time

[23:29] <Zeee-VHL> I've heard of that me

[23:29] <HostBob> The local campus group had left "good news for modern man" in each dorm room

[23:29] <nega-VHL> 13thats great Bob

[23:30] <HostBob> and it was very good news for me :)

[23:30] <nega-VHL> 13thats what happened with my great-great-grandmother

[23:30] <mosey-VHL> 2Praise the Lord, Bob!

[23:30] <nega-VHL> 13its a real funny story

[23:30] <me-VHL> 2novetel did a survey on the most popular items to take from a motel room and it was the bible not the shampoo!

[23:30] <HostBob> :)

[23:30] <HostBob> incense.....

[23:30] <incense11> ppl. so hungry for God and don't know it

[23:30] <incense11> what

[23:31] <HostBob> I think that's the 2 women in Zech 5:9

[23:31] <nega-VHL> 13her wife was kinda crazy and had a fight with the priest

[23:31] <nega-VHL> 13then, one day, a missionary came to sell bibles and the priest told the people not to buy that book from the devil

[23:31] <incense11> what is ob

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[23:32] <incense11> bob

[23:32] <nega-VHL> 13and my great-great-grandfather bought it and gave to his wife to read, and then she gave her life to Jesus

[23:32] <HostBob> what you said about the 2 religions combining

[23:32] <HostBob> and now you are here, Nega!

[23:32] <incense11> awhh.....2 women?

[23:32] <HostBob> God works in great ways!

[23:32] <me-VHL> 2I too was saved reading the bible, my husband got saved and bought it home I was reading to prove him wrong

[23:32] <HostBob> yup, incense

[23:33] <HonorGod-VHL> 4Ok I'm back

[23:33] <HostBob> ha, me!

[23:33] <Zeee-VHL> A side not to that story...One year ago that week my wife and son were ceremonialy writing our nighbors names on the slab that would become our new sanctuary...At the same time I was placing thier names in a crack in the WEstern Wall....One year later the same week all 3 were baptized :)

[23:33] <HostBob> you didn't have a chance! :)

[23:33] <me-VHL> 2and I couldnt get over how this man named Jesus was ahead of his time

[23:33] <nega-VHL> 13Thank God! She was the mother of my great-grandmother who gave birth to my grand-mother by my mother's side, hehe

[23:33] <me-VHL> 2The holy spirit witnessed to me that this was no mere man and I believed

[23:34] <incense11> Grrrreat

[23:34] <mosey-VHL> 2PTL, Me!

[23:34] <Zeee-VHL> amen me

[23:34] <nega-VHL> 13Amen!

[23:34] <Leon-VHL> Thats a Blessing Bob.

[23:34] <HonorGod-VHL> 4I was outside a moment ago, and had a thought- has anyone here ever had kind of an earie feeling, when it's calm out , it feels like somthing big is going to happen?

[23:35] <HonorGod-VHL> 4speaking of weather that is

[23:35] <mosey-VHL> 2Yes, sometimes it means there's a storm brewing. Batton the hatches!

[23:35] <nega-VHL> 13yes Honor

[23:35] <me-VHL> 2Ive had that feeling honour even though the night hasnt been calm

[23:36] <nega-VHL> 13I think its the baby's teeth... just kiddin

[23:36] <HonorGod-VHL> 4just wondering

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[23:36] <incense11> bob...can't think...what about the 2 women..tell me

[23:36] <HonorGod-VHL> 4LOL, Nega

[23:36] <nega-VHL> 13:)

[23:36] <HonorGod-VHL> 4yes, he has 5 teeth now

[23:36] <nega-VHL> 13already?

[23:36] <HonorGod-VHL> 4yep

[23:36] <nega-VHL> 13cool

[23:37] <nega-VHL> 13Hey, all my friends are catholics

[23:37] <HostBob> ok .....

[23:37] <Zeee-VHL> I learned of a very interesting Jewish custom from Jesus' day....

[23:37] <nega-VHL> 13and I went to catholic church

[23:37] <nega-VHL> 13school friends

[23:37] <mosey-VHL> 2Tell us, Zeee

[23:38] <nega-VHL> 13so I get along with them quite well, but we cannot deny that the Church, the Roman Catholic Church may be the prostitute of the Rev

[23:38] <Zeee-VHL> was the custom of the day that if you were a visitor in a strangers house and wanted to let them know that you enjoyed your stay and would love to come back for another visit, you would carefully fold your napkin and place it neatly back on the table.....

[23:38] <Leon-VHL> Hay avery day when I see the sun and here the burds sang something big tuck avery thought and thats the One and only GOD !

[23:38] <Zeee-VHL> You were in essence telling the host...YES I will come back

[23:38] <incense11> yes, zee that's right

[23:38] <Zeee-VHL> Wonder if that was what Jesus was thinking when....

[23:39] <incense11> of course he's Jewish

[23:39] <nega-VHL> 13cool. Bob, you better see me doing this at your home! :P

[23:39] <Zeee-VHL> John 20:6 Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there,

[23:39] <Zeee-VHL> John 20:7 as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen.

[23:39] <HonorGod-VHL> 4Bob, have you ever heard of this... I heard that along time ago There was person, a pope or someone who said that when we reach the 111th pope that is when the anitichrist will rise up, and does anyone know what pope we are on now? guess

[23:39] <nega-VHL> 13wow, Zee!

[23:39] <HostBob> I don't give much credence to that, Honor

[23:40] <HonorGod-VHL> 4but you've heard of it?

[23:40] <HostBob> yes

[23:40] <Zeee-VHL> pretty neat, eh nega?

[23:40] <HonorGod-VHL> 4who was it that said that?

[23:40] <HostBob> OK, Incense, I didn't forget :)

[23:40] <nega-VHL> 13Do you know why theres this verse if 2 or 3 ...

[23:40] <me-VHL> 2thats really good Zee I didnt know that

[23:40] <nega-VHL> 13yes Zee

[23:40] <HostBob> I don't know, Honor

[23:40] <HonorGod-VHL> 4ok,

[23:40] <Zeee-VHL> I never noticed that verse until I learned of the custom of the day

[23:41] <incense11> see how much we are missing by not knowing our Jewish roots?

[23:41] <nega-VHL> 13I went to this synagogue for a firned's daughter stg and they had to wait until 10 "righteous" were there so the worship will be more valid.

[23:41] <HostBob> Yes, Nega

[23:41] <mosey-VHL> 2I think that verse knocks the whole idea of the authenticity of the shroud of Turin. Jeus was not in a shroud. He was wrapped.

[23:41] <HostBob> what's the word for that? I forget

[23:41] <HonorGod-VHL> 4well, let me ask this of everyone, in the book of Revelation when it talks about the seven candle sticks, what does that mean,?

[23:41] <nega-VHL> 1310 because of if there were 10 righteous in S&G God would have spared them

[23:41] <Leon-VHL> The anitichrist will come and all belivers will no just trust in Jesus !

[23:42] <Zeee-VHL> I think your right mosey

[23:42] <me-VHL> 2they wernt able to have a synagogue unless they had ten members

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[23:42] <mosey-VHL> 2THey call it a Minyan, Me

[23:42] <HostBob> anyone want to answer honor?

[23:42] <HostBob> yes, a minyan :) thanks Mosey

[23:42] <mosey-VHL> 2Go ahead, Bob!

[23:42] <incense11> I think it represents the 7 churches

[23:43] <HonorGod-VHL> 4I think BOb knows the answear

[23:43] <me-VHL> 2the churches I believe are represented of the candlesticks

[23:43] <HonorGod-VHL> 4ok, what churches are they then?

[23:43] <HonorGod-VHL> 4modern day churches?

[23:43] <me-VHL> 2well one thing is for sure we are the laodecian church right now

[23:44] <mosey-VHL> 2The seven churches of the first few chapters of the book - each got a letter from God.

[23:44] <HostBob> listen to this...Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. (Revelation 2:5 NIV)

[23:44] <incense11> 7 in ....what book is it

[23:44] <mosey-VHL> 2Revelation. Just read a little farther, and you

[23:44] <mosey-VHL> 2you'll see the letters to them.

[23:44] <HostBob> The lampstand indicates apparently the authority that Jesus has given to that church - and He threatens to remove it, and His presence from that church

[23:44] <incense11> yes, bob...i remember something about that...remove our light?

[23:45] <HostBob> scary, huh? there are churches today that have had the lampstand removed

[23:45] <me-VHL> 2I believe that the messanger of the churches represents the prophets comming to the churches what do you all think

[23:45] <HostBob> and entire denominations

[23:45] <Leon-VHL> Is Thats the Churches Bob?

[23:45] <incense11> Inkabob over churches (mp)

[23:45] <HostBob> what doe you mean, leon?

[23:46] <HonorGod-VHL> 4Is God talking about specific denominations, of churches?

[23:46] <HostBob> probably either, honor

[23:46] <mosey-VHL> 2Good answer, Bob. I agree

[23:46] <HonorGod-VHL> 4or people who make up the church? and if it's people are they from a certain background?

[23:46] <HostBob> any group that refuse to honor Him from their hearts and instead just practice religion

[23:46] <incense11> talking about us.....removing our lights, or us removing it

[23:47] <Leon-VHL> Takeing the lampstands.

[23:47] <HostBob> I don't think it's talking so much about individuals in this case, honor

[23:47] <me-VHL> 2so do you think Bob that if your ouyside the church and not in a group your out of the will of God

[23:48] <HonorGod-VHL> 4that would seem to indicate the catholic religion to me, very religous, in doctrine,

[23:48] <HonorGod-VHL> 4not sure

[23:48] <HostBob> well, me, not in the sense that it is a "command" but in the sense that we all need the encouragement from assembling with other believers

[23:48] <HonorGod-VHL> 4Good question me

[23:48] <mosey-VHL> 2Me - the Word does say that we are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together . . .

[23:48] <nega-VHL> 13some scholars say that those are periods of the church...

[23:49] <HonorGod-VHL> 4mosey, were does it say that?

[23:49] <me-VHL> 2Do you think that if your outside a church you cut yourself off from hearing what God has to say

[23:49] <HonorGod-VHL> 4I'd like to tell my brother that as well as my parents

[23:49] <mosey-VHL> 2Hebrews, only I'm not sure of chapter and verse.

[23:49] <HostBob> yes, Nega, and I think there may be some truth to that - it was individual churches of that era, and also prophetically different periods of chuch history

[23:50] <me-VHL> 2do we agree that we are in the period of the laodecian church?

[23:50] <incense11> me..not from what God is saying, if you hear from HIm, but what he is saying to other body parts

[23:50] <HostBob> no, but we cut ourselves off from the strenght that we derive from meeting with others

[23:50] <HostBob> Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another--and all the more as you see the Day approaching. (Hebrews 10:25 NIV)

[23:50] <Zeee-VHL> me...I think we have to remember that Christ gave Him self up for the Church

[23:50] <Zeee-VHL> to forsake it would be a teribile tragedy

[23:51] <mosey-VHL> 2Tx. Bob

[23:51] <nega-VHL> 13See, my aunt knows the stuff, hehe It was from a study she made :)

[23:51] <me-VHL> 2that makes good sense Bob

[23:51] <HostBob> and also from the strength that we can impart to others as we meet together

[23:51] <HonorGod-VHL> 4Like as an example my folks are in the late 60's , they can't get out to a church very well, does this apply to them? or can they get by with reading the bible

[23:51] <Zeee-VHL> Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

[23:51] <nega-VHL> 13the pastor shuld go there and give them the communion...

[23:51] <HonorGod-VHL> 4is it also posiable for people who believe in God, but don't have the intellect to understand it therefore they don't?

[23:51] <Zeee-VHL> I think you have to define what the Church is first....

[23:52] <incense11> they can read, hear tapes, ppl. come to share, not a Church Building...ppl. are the temple

[23:52] <mosey-VHL> 2I would say, yes, they can get by, Honour, but it would still be better if they could fellowship with other believers.

[23:52] <HostBob> it doesn't take intellect to believe in God

[23:52] <nega-VHL> 13they can listen to the radio or watch TV but most of all people should visit them

[23:52] <mosey-VHL> 2Could they maybe host a small group at their house?

[23:52] <Zeee-VHL> Mat 18:20 For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."

[23:52] <HostBob> intellect can be a hindrance to be belief

[23:52] <HostBob> to belief

[23:53] <nega-VHL> 13every church should have a pastor just to visit the elders and sick

[23:53] <me-VHL> 2according to Eph 4.11 it should have one of the five fold govenering it as they are Gods governing hand to the church

[23:53] <incense11> well, I must go...have another Final tomorrow.....

[23:53] <incense11> nega....we are the church,, not just the pastors

[23:53] <mosey-VHL> 2Blessings, incense!

[23:53] <HostBob> Yes, a "church" does not have to have pews, choirs, stained glass, pulpits, robes, etc etc - all of the cultural junk that we associate with "church"

[23:53] <Zeee-VHL> bye incense

[23:54] <nega-VHL> 13bye incence. God bless you! good test

[23:54] <HostBob> see ya incense!

[23:54] <HostBob> good to have you here!

[23:54] <nega-VHL> 13(by the way, whcih subject?)

[23:54] <Zeee-VHL> what's your final in tomorrow?

[23:54] <me-VHL> 2how can it be called Church if it doesnt have a pastor teacher etc

[23:54] <HostBob> And I did not forget your question about the 2 women :)

[23:54] <incense11> Shalom and God Bless...... (mgmt)

[23:54] <incense11> next time Bob

[23:54] <incense11> I will look up also

[23:54] <HonorGod-VHL> 4by incense

[23:54] <HostBob> church means "assembly"

[23:54] <me-VHL> 2bye incense

[23:54] <HonorGod-VHL> 4bye

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[23:55] <HonorGod-VHL> 4what does catholic mean , anyone?

[23:55] <nega-VHL> 13universal

[23:55] <nega-VHL> 13catholic means universal

[23:55] <nega-VHL> 13so theres the catholic apostolic roman church

[23:55] <HonorGod-VHL> 4does everyone agree?

[23:55] <Leon-VHL> Jesus knows averything so if we cant go to church and belive in hem we will have ever lesting life.

[23:55] <HostBob> let's say a handful of Christians meet together on a regular basis - that is a "church" - if they do so, they should pray and let God designate a pastor

[23:56] <nega-VHL> 13the catholic orthodox church

[23:56] <nega-VHL> 13and so on

[23:56] <HostBob> voila! a church!

[23:56] <nega-VHL> 13So, Bob is our Pastor

[23:56] <me-VHL> 2agreed

[23:56] <HonorGod-VHL> 4brb, gotta run to the store and get those expensive dipers

[23:56] <mosey-VHL> 2Bob, what makes you say they have to have a pastor. Many denominations don't, you know.

[23:56] <HostBob> we associate so many extra things with "church:" that ahve no basis in the Bible

[23:56] <HonorGod-VHL> 4uggggg!

[23:57] <HostBob> true, Mosey - but they have elders or designated leaders of some kind

[23:57] <HonorGod-VHL> 4I've got a very important question I want to ask, this is on behalf of my brother, and why he doesen't go to church

[23:57] <HostBob> for example, some Brethren groups do not have professional "pastors"

[23:57] <nega-VHL> 13well, I think theres always someone who people look at with more respect...

[23:57] <Leon-VHL> Yes thank Jesus Bob is are paster.

[23:57] <HonorGod-VHL> 4hope you guys can help when I get back, be about 20 minutes

[23:57] <HostBob> but a group of elders or shepherds that share the responsibilities

[23:58] <HostBob> see ya Tim :)

[23:58] <Zeee-VHL> There are 2 types of Church in Scripture...one is the local Church while the other is the Universal Church....

[23:58] <nega-VHL> 13well wait honor

[23:58] <HonorGod-VHL> 4k, bob will you be here?

[23:58] <HonorGod-VHL> 4thanks nega

[23:58] <HostBob> Not sure Tim - it is getting late :)

[23:58] <Zeee-VHL> g'night Honor

[23:58] <mosey-VHL> 2But what do we mean then, when we talk about the priesthood of believers?

[23:58] <HostBob> Good point Mosey!!

[23:58] <me-VHL> 2see you honor

[23:59] <Zeee-VHL> as in the order of Melkizadech?

[23:59] <me-VHL> 2who is tim

[23:59] <HostBob> There is not a different "class" of clergy vs laity - that's a deadly tradition

[23:59] <HonorGod-VHL> 4I just had a thought, God could take me in a car accident, so in case I don't see you untill Gods pearl door opens

[23:59] <HostBob> that is not in the Bible

[23:59] <Leon-VHL> Bye Bye Honer.

[23:59] <HostBob> all believers are priests, as you said

[23:59] <nega-VHL> 13see you in Heaven honor...

[23:59] <HonorGod-VHL> 4thanks everyone, I'll be back soon, on the wings of Angles

[00:00] <HostBob> the tradition of a special class of professional ministers is one that has caused much damage - yes, pastors, shepherds, elders are important...

[00:00] <nega-VHL> 13Gee, I have just seen a letter from a guy who liked worthy looks

[00:00] <mosey-VHL> 2And the "new reformation" people, for example, are teaching that they should be permitted to function as priests.

[00:00] <HostBob> but the mindset that "these" are the ministers and we are not is deadly

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[00:01] <nega-VHL> 13what should we do if we are personally "intercepted" by a gay person?

[00:01] <mosey-VHL> 2Agreed!

[00:01] <nega-VHL> 13what a situation

[00:01] <HostBob> what do you mean, Mosey?

[00:01] <me-VHL> 2yes the elders of the church are chosed for function its not about being better

[00:01] <mosey-VHL> 2Bob, I took a course on developing lay leadership last year, and some of these thoughts are from that course.

[00:01] <Zeee-VHL> that should not, however, detract from the special gifts given to man to perform in these areas

[00:02] <Zeee-VHL> Eph 4:11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,

[00:02] <HostBob> yes, I HATE that term "lay leadership" - I hate the term "laity" - because it contributes to the mindset "we are only laypeople"

[00:02] <mosey-VHL> 2I think you and I have been saying much the same thing in different ways.

[00:02] <HostBob> yes :)

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[00:02] <nega-VHL> 13clap clap

[00:02] <nega-VHL> 13Bob

[00:02] <nega-VHL> 13Bob

[00:02] <nega-VHL> 13Bob

[00:02] <nega-VHL> 13Bob

[00:03] <nega-VHL> 13Bob

[00:03] <HostBob> yes?

[00:03] <me-VHL> 2have we struck a chord bob

[00:03] <nega-VHL> 13just cheering

[00:03] <HostBob> yeah, can ya tell LOL

[00:03] <Leon-VHL> Yes but Bob do you thank you could be like one of the Descples to preach the gospel?

[00:03] <me-VHL> 2lol

[00:04] <HostBob> What do you mean, Leon?

[00:04] <Leon-VHL> Yes we never no .

[00:04] <HostBob> One of the problems with that mentality, is that it redefines the concept of a body with all of the parts contributing, right?

[00:05] <mosey-VHL> 2Thanks for the chat, guys/girls. Gotta go and spend a bit of time with hubby. God bless you all!

[00:05] <HostBob> Instead, the church model becomes a lecturer audience relationship

[00:05] <HostBob> Bye Mosey! God bless!!!

[00:05] <me-VHL> 2bye mosey

[00:05] <Zeee-VHL> bye Mosey :)

[00:05] <me-VHL> 2we are meant to be a training centre really

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[00:06] <HostBob> yes, we have ALL been gifter

[00:06] <HostBob> gifted

[00:06] <me-VHL> 2equipping of the saints tioll we mature in unity and faith

[00:06] <HostBob> with gifts to contribute to the health of the body

[00:06] <HostBob> yes, me

[00:06] <Leon-VHL> Bye Mosey Blessings to you.

[00:07] <HostBob> and the traditionally clergy/laity concept has been a horrible detriment to the healthy working of the body

[00:07] <me-VHL> 2we must edify it by those individual giftings and functions

[00:07] <HostBob> yes :) all parts contributing

[00:07] <HostBob> not just one guy

[00:07] <me-VHL> 2the traditional........religious..........church is the same one Jesus faced and rebuked

[00:08] <HostBob> see, it's an ego thing also....

[00:08] <me-VHL> 2full of mans rules and no bible

[00:08] <HostBob> anyway, I'll get off my soapbox

[00:08] <HostBob> :)

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[00:09] <me-VHL> 2I have this delema though could you all help me

[00:09] <HostBob> yes?

[00:09] <me-VHL> 2I pastor a church with my husband......

[00:09] <me-VHL> 2and we try to get everyone functioning.......

[00:10] <me-VHL> 2anyone can preach, prophecy etvc

[00:10] <Zeee-VHL> wait...what does that mean?

[00:10] <Leon-VHL> The Law and are guide of are walk though life the ( Bible)

[00:10] <me-VHL> 2give testimony.......but often

[00:11] <me-VHL> 2they WONT they want us to do everything

[00:11] <me-VHL> 2they really prefer when your responsible and they are not

[00:11] <HostBob> and what do you think are the reasons for that? fear? apathy? uncertainty? deadness?

[00:11] <me-VHL> 2so from a leadership point of view

[00:12] <Zeee-VHL> I gotta scooot....ya'll are a great group...thanks for the chat

[00:12] <HostBob> see ya zeee - great to have ya!

[00:12] <me-VHL> 2its very hard.....yes I have addressed fear

[00:12] <nega-VHL> 13blessings zee

[00:12] <me-VHL> 2ive told them we are family free to make mistakes

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[00:12] <HostBob> how big is your church?

[00:13] <me-VHL> 2 100 people

[00:13] <HostBob> that's a good size

[00:13] <HostBob> and how many regular participate with a teaching, or a word, or a song, or whatever?

[00:13] <nega-VHL> 13it seems you gotta make a sermon on Christians' responsibilities. Very strong

[00:13] <me-VHL> 2yes but the apathy is amazing and limits what god wants to do with that expression

[00:13] <me-VHL> 2about 10

[00:14] <Leon-VHL> Bye tell the next time stay safe in hem Jesus !Zeee

[00:14] <HostBob> 10? that sounds ok to me....

[00:14] <nega-VHL> 13sermon to shake the base....

[00:14] <HostBob> remember, with "sheep" that most are followers... not leaders....

[00:14] <me-VHL> 2believe me nega you couldnt speak more strongly thatn my husband and I

[00:14] <nega-VHL> 13sometimes we just nedd a "slap" in the face

[00:14] <HostBob> and the giftings of many may be behind the scenes things - helps, administration, hospitality, etc

[00:15] <me-VHL> 2yes but what I am saying is alot of times we have one man bands because those leaders have found if they dont do it no oe will

[00:15] <nega-VHL> 13I think Bob has got the one of hospitality ;)

[00:16] <HostBob> :) well, if i were you I would encourage those who do participate to keep it up ....

[00:16] <nega-VHL> 13well, me, I really dont know what to say

[00:16] <HostBob> since this is anonymous...

[00:16] <me-VHL> 2yes I sure do

[00:16] <HostBob> how would you assess the overall spiritual health of the congregation?

[00:17] <nega-VHL> 13be right back...

[00:17] <me-VHL> 2 70% asleep

[00:17] <HostBob> ok - perhaps typical of an American church, sadly....

[00:18] <HostBob> so you have 30 not asleep

[00:18] <me-VHL> 2 25% rising yes I see us as very much like your churches there

[00:18] <HostBob> and 10 of them participating - sounds like that's pretty good to me :)

[00:18] <HostBob> where are you?

[00:18] <me-VHL> 2australia

[00:19] <nega-VHL> 13is back

[00:19] <HostBob> the 10 that do participate, keep on encouraging them to continue

[00:20] <HostBob> the sleepers may keep sleeping - I would think that would be the frustrating part of being a pastor, but not much you can do about that, huh?

[00:20] <me-VHL> 2you bet bob

[00:21] <me-VHL> 2Well we pray and believe God to infect them and pray anointing over our word etc, but I know how Jesus felt

[00:21] <HostBob> actually, I think you've got it good - I've visited churches were no one contributed AT ALL except the pastor, during the service, other than the singers

[00:21] <nega-VHL> 13in my church we've been praying for some years and theres prayer worship everyday and still...Yesterday the sermon was on Dt 30: 15-19...

[00:22] <HostBob> yes, that's a good attitude, me :)

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[00:22] <me-VHL> 2Hi snow

[00:23] <HostBob> Welcome, snow :)

[00:23] <nega-VHL> 13Hi snow

[00:23] <HostBob> well, folks, it's quite late here, and I must go :)

[00:23] <HostBob> feel free to stay and chat

[00:23] <snow-VHL> Hi everyone, how are you?:-)

[00:23] <me-VHL> 2bye Bob thanks again

[00:23] <Leon-VHL> Snow Hi to.

[00:24] <nega-VHL> 13bye Bob, God bless you. Hope I havent said much stupidity today...

[00:24] <HostBob> bye - thanks for a good night, everyone :)

[00:24] <HostBob> no, Nega, I always enjoy your levity

[00:24] <me-VHL> 2what time is it where you all are

[00:24] <HostBob> is that the right word? I'm too tired to think :)

[00:24] <HostBob> good night :)

[00:24] <nega-VHL> 13thanx Bob, but sometimes even serious we say "bobagem"...

[00:25] <HostBob> bobagem?

[00:25] <nega-VHL> 13sillyness

[00:25] <HostBob> :)

[00:25] <nega-VHL> 13bobo

[00:25] <snow-VHL> Well, what's been going on tonight, what was the talk?

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