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[19:11] <light2-VHL> 3I just find it odd and never even noticed that word before

[19:12] <HostBob> good question, and for a broad answer, I would say yes, that is true, at least in the sense of being identified by the Lord.

[19:12] <HostBob> Whether or not they are actually "saved" yet - I doubt that

[19:13] <light2-VHL> 3well in Acts it seems that before Cornelius gets saved the apostles were just preaching to the Jews

[19:13] <HostBob> would be a good topic tonight, if you want to introduce it - what does "firstfruits" indicate about these men?

[19:13] <HostBob> yes

[19:14] <light2-VHL> 3I think that it might make mention of the date also

[19:14] <HostBob> the date?

[19:14] <light2-VHL> 3Well God was very strict about requesting that the first of the harvest be given to him

[19:14] <light2-VHL> 3Yes that time the preaching was occurring

[19:15] <HostBob> so the firstfruits indicates this is just the first part of the endtime "harvest" of the Jews, right?

[19:17] <light2-VHL> 3Possibly, I dont know, but another verse also was impressed on my mind

[19:17] <light2-VHL> 3They that are first shall be last

[19:18] <light2-VHL> 3It seems that Christianity was not preached to the gentiles until around 54 ad

[19:18] <HostBob> to me, that means that those who try to make themselves important in this life will be the least important in the life to come

[19:18] <HostBob> go on :)

[19:18] <light2-VHL> 3yes that could be another interpretation

[19:19] <HostBob> keep going - I want to hear what you say :)

[19:20] <light2-VHL> 3We know from history that Claudius, reigned in and around 54 AD and he is mention in Acts around chapter 12 after the conversion of Cornelius

[19:21] <light2-VHL> 3So most of the early church consisted of saved Jewish people

[19:21] <HostBob> so Cornelius was that many years later, huh? That's interesting - sometimes it's hard to get a feel for the passage of time when reading Acts

[19:21] <HostBob> yes, that's true

[19:21] <HostBob> almost all Jewish people at first

[19:21] <light2-VHL> 3And if the first fruits are Gods they must have come from these, don't you think?

[19:22] <HostBob> not sure what you mean?

[19:22] <light2-VHL> 3Well I mean I think, but still am not sure that possibly the 144 came from these

[19:23] <HostBob> oh.... interesting - well, to me it seems the 144,000 are still future, but I see what you are saying....

[19:23] <light2-VHL> 3The first of the Jews being saved at the begining of the church

[19:23] <HostBob> why would those back at the beginning not be called the firstfruits, right?

[19:23] <light2-VHL> 3Yes right

[19:23] <HostBob> perhaps....

[19:24] <light2-VHL> 3Also I don't know how this ties in but

[19:24] <HostBob> as the "Day of Lord" is a special time in history....

[19:24] <HostBob> when the Lord once again actively intervenes in a large way, rather than in isolated incidents...

[19:24] <light2-VHL> 3In Eze chapter 9 read how God seals his servants and then compare with what Paul said in Corithians

[19:25] <light2-VHL> 3About judgement is going to begin in the house of God

[19:25] <HostBob> these are the "firstfruits" in that period, and specially the firstfruits in the redemption of Israel

[19:25] <HostBob> which had been largely blinded and cut off

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[19:26] <HostBob> Welcome kitkat!

[19:26] <kitkat-VHL> hi

[19:26] <light2-VHL> 3Sorry it is Peter in I peter 4: 17-19

[19:27] <kitkat-VHL> what is the topic

[19:27] <light2-VHL> 3I had Paul on the brain!!

[19:27] <light2-VHL> 3hi Kitkat

[19:27] <HostBob> :)

[19:27] <HostBob> so...

[19:27] <HostBob> what does..

[19:28] <kitkat-VHL> this is my first time

[19:28] <light2-VHL> 3I was just asking Bob about something I was reading this week

[19:28] <HostBob> "For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?"

[19:28] <HostBob> what does that mean to you?

[19:29] <light2-VHL> 3Yes

[19:29] <HostBob> We are glad you came , kit!

[19:29] <kitkat-VHL> thanks

[19:29] <HostBob> there will be a lot more people here shortly, God willing!

[19:29] <light2-VHL> 3Well I think there is going to be a cleansing of the people of God to seperate the true from the false?

[19:29] <HostBob> yes

[19:29] <HostBob> exactly

[19:30] <kitkat-VHL> i thank that has already happen

[19:30] <light2-VHL> 3And I think there will be many who are going to be shocked when they find out they are not saved

[19:30] <HostBob> but how will that happen?

[19:30] <HostBob> yes

[19:30] <HostBob> I think - through persecutions

[19:31] <light2-VHL> 3Well Daniel also talks about the wise who know the truth and that some of them fall to be cleansed

[19:31] <HostBob> yes, good point!

[19:31] <kitkat-VHL> we know we are saved thru the spirit

[19:31] <light2-VHL> 3Dan 11:33

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[19:32] <HostBob> yes, Kit

[19:32] <HostBob> welcome, Bruny!!

[19:32] <light2-VHL> 3Many who are not putting absolute trust in the work of the cross need to be awakened to the truth

[19:32] <light2-VHL> 3It is not Christ and good works,

[19:32] <light2-VHL> 3His atonement must be the only payment

[19:33] <light2-VHL> 3Hi Bruny

[19:33] <Bruny-VHL> Hi

[19:33] <kitkat-VHL> hi Bruny

[19:34] <HostBob> It's shocking when you realize that many who say "I believe in Jesus" only have a very fuzzy understanding of what that means

[19:34] <Bruny-VHL> hi kitkat

[19:34] <light2-VHL> 3Yes and we the church when we do not stand up for the truth propagate it also

[19:34] <kitkat-VHL> true

[19:34] <Bruny-VHL> That is so true Bob, I have friends that go to church every Sunday and don't understand

[19:34] <light2-VHL> 3God has shown me that Christ is our Rest, in the book of Hebrews

[19:35] <HostBob> yes, Bruny - it's sad

[19:35] <light2-VHL> 3Now you can understand why when the Jews broke the sabbath they were put to death

[19:35] <light2-VHL> 3It is a picture of those who try to add works to what Christ has done already

[19:35] <HostBob> and unforunately there are many mush-mouthed preachers all too happy to accomodate them

[19:36] <HostBob> go on, light :)

[19:36] <light2-VHL> 3God has clearly told us in Scripture that we are to enter the narrow gate

[19:36] <Bruny-VHL> I think we have too many in the pulpits today that have never really been saved

[19:36] <light2-VHL> 3In Psalms 118 God calls the Gate for who he is the messiah

[19:37] <light2-VHL> 3He is the gate

[19:37] <HostBob> or maybe saved but have made too many compromises along the way, without repenting

[19:37] <kitkat-VHL> thats it Bob

[19:37] <Bruny-VHL> I am sure that is true too

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[19:38] <light2-VHL> 3Well alot do not understand that after we are saved the only work we do is to yeild to Him and He does the works in us

[19:38] <HostBob> which is why it's important that we all examine our own selves regularly, right?

[19:38] <kitkat-VHL> we must keep our eyes on jesus

[19:38] <HostBob> yes, light :)

[19:38] <HostBob> amen, kit :)

[19:38] <Bruny-VHL> Right!!

[19:39] <Hope-VHL> Hi Bob!

[19:39] <HostBob> "taking up the cross" is not something we do easily, is it?

[19:39] <light2-VHL> 3Isaiah 26: 12 clearly teaches God does the work in us

[19:39] <HostBob> everything inside us rebels at the idea

[19:39] <HostBob> Hi, Hope!!!

[19:39] <kitkat-VHL> Hi hope

[19:40] <light2-VHL> 3You can compare that with Eph 2:10

[19:40] <light2-VHL> 3Hi Hope

[19:40] <HostBob> gonna have to teach ya how to cut/paste, light :)

[19:40] <Hope-VHL> Hi kitkat, Light, I'll be right back : )

[19:41] <HostBob> Hey, we have Light, and we have Hope! Looks like we're in good shape here! :)

[19:41] <Bruny-VHL> Now we need Charity and Love

[19:42] <kitkat-VHL> and faith

[19:42] <Hope-VHL> You're FUNNY BOB!

[19:42] <light2-VHL> 3I think I spent years as baby christian not completely understanding how Christ is everything we need

[19:42] <HostBob> yeah, Bruny!

[19:42] <HostBob> yes, light, isn't that a hard lesson!

[19:43] <Bruny-VHL> I need to be reminded daily light

[19:43] <light2-VHL> 3So restful when you lean though

[19:43] <HostBob> we are all naturally so self-reliant

[19:43] <light2-VHL> 3Yes and always wanting to do "something" for God

[19:43] <HostBob> think we can do it

[19:43] <HostBob> by ourselves

[19:43] <HostBob> I was reading from Habukkuk...

[19:44] <light2-VHL> 3Instead of waiting on the Spirit to lead us and guide us

[19:44] <HostBob> he uses the expression of people "whose own strength is their god"

[19:44] <light2-VHL> 3Yes

[19:44] <Hope-VHL> WE had a GREAT RESURRECTION week at my church.......Thursday thru Sunday MANY came to know CHRIST!

[19:44] <HostBob> Wonderful, Hope! Praise Jesus!

[19:44] <Hope-VHL> It was AWESOME

[19:44] <light2-VHL> 3God is calling so many in

[19:45] <HostBob> The time is near, which is why we discuss it here :)

[19:46] <Bruny-VHL> And it has bo begin first in us

[19:46] <light2-VHL> 3My daughters church had play and everynight 20 or more came forward

[19:46] <HostBob> Yes, Bruny - time for us to get down to business with the Lord, right?

[19:46] <HostBob> wow, light!

[19:46] <HostBob> terrific!

[19:47] <light2-VHL> 3But very touching was 80 year old crippled man came forward to accept Jesus

[19:47] <light2-VHL> 3Not very many 80 year olds get saved

[19:47] <HostBob> Wonderful the matchless grace of Jesus!

[19:47] <Hope-VHL> Are you any where near Miami Fl light? That's where my church is

[19:47] <light2-VHL> 3The Lord is up to something and its up to us to pray for understanding

[19:48] <light2-VHL> 3No in California

[19:48] <Bruny-VHL> True light2, our hearts get so hardened when we keep putting it off

[19:48] <HostBob> Yes, Light - He's up to a LOT :)

[19:48] <light2-VHL> 3Bob is by you

[19:48] <HostBob> Yea, Bruny, I ask the Lord to take away the hardness in my heart, so that I can be pure hearted towards Him

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[19:49] <light2-VHL> 3I find it interesting that the wise will understand , so I sure want to be wise, hope God will wise me up

[19:49] <light2-VHL> 3Dan 11:33

[19:49] <HostBob> still a long way from it, but He will give it to us if we ask

[19:49] <HostBob> wise up, light! LOL

[19:49] <HostBob> Welcome, Jess!

[19:49] <Jess-VHL> Hi everybody

[19:49] <kitkat-VHL> hi jess

[19:50] <HostBob> Good to see some new (virtual) "faces" here! :)

[19:50] <Bruny-VHL> I accepted Jesus as my Savior when I was 9 years old. and I have wondered often had I put it off if i would be saved today

[19:50] <Jess-VHL> thanks everybody

[19:50] <light2-VHL> 3Bob if want I was asking earlier about the 144 thousand, if they were already saved, would it change the way we look at prophecy much??

[19:51] <HostBob> Personally, no, I don't think so

[19:51] <Jess-VHL> excuse where is everybody from?

[19:51] <HostBob> I'm from Tampa Florida, but currently in New Jersey on business

[19:51] <kitkat-VHL> :-)ohio

[19:51] <light2-VHL> 3Calif

[19:52] <Bruny-VHL> Ohio also

[19:52] <HostBob> We are glad you all joined us for this Bible Prophecy chat

[19:52] <Jess-VHL> im from Panama

[19:52] <kitkat-VHL> what part Bruny

[19:52] <HostBob> any topic suggestions are welcome!

[19:52] <Bruny-VHL> Southeastern (Gallipolis)

[19:53] <kitkat-VHL> proctorville

[19:53] <Bruny-VHL> That is close to Gallipolis

[19:53] <kitkat-VHL> yes

[19:53] <HostBob> Lord Jesus, we ask you to direct our discussions tonight, as we honor You!

[19:53] <Bruny-VHL> What church do you attend

[19:53] <Jess-VHL> Amen

[19:54] <Hope-VHL> AMEN

[19:54] <kitkat-VHL> New life

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[19:55] <HostBob> News from Israel: Jordan's King Abdullah and his wife Rania, accompanied by a host of ministers, took a brief sail across the Gulf of Aqaba yesterday from Aqaba to Eilat to make his first visit to Israel since ascending to his country's throne.

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[19:55] <HostBob> courtesy of Ha'aretz

[19:55] <HostBob> Welcome, Elmoe!

[19:55] <elmoe-VHL> thank you Bob

[19:55] <HostBob> Abdullah reiterated the "land for peace" formula as the basis of any negotiations

[19:56] <Hope-VHL> So Bob, do you think Barak is going to be booted out of his position?

[19:56] <kitkat-VHL> i have 2 sons that need the Lord

[19:56] <HostBob> hope, his coalition has been shaky all along....

[19:56] <HostBob> but so far he has survived all no confidence votes

[19:57] <Hope-VHL> but if he is taken out, doesn't seem like we will be at a stand still when it comes to prophesy?

[19:57] <HostBob> It doesn't seem like it would take much to topple his government, given the assortment of groups in his coalition

[19:57] <HostBob> no, Hope, not a standstill......

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[19:57] <HostBob> because God is watching to see that all He has said will be fulfilled

[19:57] <HostBob> welcome, Krissy!

[19:58] <Hope-VHL> I guess I'm too anxious

[19:58] <kitkat-VHL> true Bob

[19:58] <HostBob> We don't know all the specfics....

[19:58] <Krissy-VHL> Eveing

[19:58] <HostBob> but it will be exciting to watch as God puts the pieces together to fulfill what He has declared!

[19:58] <kitkat-VHL> hi Krissy

[19:58] <Krissy-VHL> Hi kitkat

[19:59] <HostBob> Kit, keep on praying (CONFIDENTLY) for your sons!

[19:59] <HostBob> God is very good at opening blind eyes! :)

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[19:59] <kitkat-VHL> yes he is

[19:59] <HostBob> Welcome, messenger!

[19:59] <Bruny-VHL> I have unsaved members in my family also,who just don't seem to see their need

[20:00] <Lords_messenger-VHL> why do you think God likes Jerusalem ?

[20:00] <HostBob> Excellent question, messenger!

[20:00] <HostBob> Anyone want to take a stab it it?

[20:00] <Lords_messenger-VHL> so .....why do you ?

[20:01] <light2-VHL> 3He that goeth forth "weeping" bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again bringing his sheaves with him

[20:01] <HostBob> why do we what? like Jerusalem?

[20:01] <light2-VHL> 3Notice the word doubtless

[20:01] <Hope-VHL> Lord God, open up the hearts, minds and souls of Kit...sons....let them see the Light in your Son Jesus Christ....

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[20:01] <HostBob> because the Lord has designated it as the "place where His name would dwell

[20:01] <kitkat-VHL> thank you Hope

[20:01] <HostBob> amen, hope

[20:01] <Lords_messenger-VHL> Why do you think that God likes Jerusalem ?

[20:02] <light2-VHL> 3Amen Hope

[20:02] <HostBob> well, messenger, let's look at what He said

[20:02] <Lords_messenger-VHL> nope ...God does not like Jerusalem ....where his son was crucified ...

[20:02] <Dotk-VHL> Hello everyone

[20:02] <light2-VHL> 3Gods gifts and callings are without repentance and he has a calling for Jerusalem

[20:02] <Lords_messenger-VHL> hello Dot :)

[20:02] <Hope-VHL> Hi Dotk! WELCOME

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[20:02] <kitkat-VHL> hi Dotk

[20:03] <Lords_messenger-VHL> hope :)

[20:03] <HostBob> "Proclaim, saying, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "I am exceedingly jealous for Jerusalem and Zion.

[20:03] <Lords_messenger-VHL> jerusalem is in deep dung ....:(

[20:03] <kitkat-VHL> God loves Jerusalem

[20:03] <HostBob> "'Therefore, thus says the LORD, "I will return to Jerusalem with compassion; My house will be built in it," declares the LORD of hosts, "and a measuring line will be stretched over Jerusalem."'"

[20:03] <Lords_messenger-VHL> wrong kit ...

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[20:04] <light2-VHL> 3Not with God on their side Lord

[20:04] <HostBob> from Zechariah

[20:04] <HostBob> we only know what the Lord is thinking by what He has said in His word

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[20:04] <HostBob> Welcome me and jazene!

[20:04] <Lords_messenger-VHL> say Bob ...he allready done that ...got the bumper sticker ...t shirt ...and the crucifed him there ...

[20:04] <jazene-VHL> Good Evening Bob

[20:05] <Hope-VHL> HE will give us a NEW Jerusalem......

[20:05] <HostBob> Glad to see you back, Jazene!

[20:05] <kitkat-VHL> hi jazene

[20:05] <Hope-VHL> Hi Jazene! : )

[20:05] <Bruny-VHL> It was all in God's plan for his son to die for our sins, right?

[20:05] <jazene-VHL> Good evening everyone else. Hope your Easter weekend Went Great in the Lord.

[20:05] <jazene-VHL> Hi Hope

[20:05] <me-VHL> 6hi all

[20:05] <Lords_messenger-VHL> not from the old one ...though ...Rev of God says he looks at Jerusalem as sodom and egypt

[20:05] <Hope-VHL> AMEN BRUNY

[20:06] <light2-VHL> 3Absolutely Bruny

[20:06] <Lords_messenger-VHL> spiritually called that ...

[20:06] <jazene-VHL> What alre we all discussing tonight

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[20:06] <Lords_messenger-VHL> jerusalem ...and how wicked it was ...and is ...

[20:06] <HostBob> Sounds like a one-sided approach of the subject to me, messenger

[20:06] <jazene-VHL> excuse the misspelled words.

[20:07] <Lords_messenger-VHL> how many sides does God have ...

[20:07] <light2-VHL> 3Lord, He, says that spiritually they are that way, but he has not opened their eyes yet

[20:07] <HostBob> yes, Jerusalem did not recognize the Messiah when He came....

[20:07] <HostBob> but God still has big plans for that city

[20:07] <Lords_messenger-VHL> Jerusalem is in deep dung ...

[20:07] <Hope-VHL> Jazene, you can bring up a subject!!! : )

[20:07] <HostBob> yes, any topic suggestions are welcome!

[20:08] <light2-VHL> 3But many many Jews were saved most all of the first church was Jewish

[20:08] <Lords_messenger-VHL> ya big plans alright .....like sodom and egypt ...

[20:08] <jazene-VHL> OK Bob here goes. How much of the prophecies does anyone feel is left to be fulfilled.

[20:08] <Lords_messenger-VHL> now the calflicks own most of jerusalem ...right ?

[20:09] <Lords_messenger-VHL> jaz ...very littles left ...

[20:09] <Hope-VHL> I hope you realize that EVERYONE in JERUSALEM is NOT corrupt messenger.......GOD LOVES JERUSALEM, whether you care to believe it or not!

[20:09] <Bruny-VHL> What about our own US. It is almost as wicked today as in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. I wonder how long God will tarry

[20:09] <light2-VHL> 3And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son,

[20:09] <Lords_messenger-VHL> was talking about the wretched city

[20:09] <HostBob> Jazene, I think much of the prophetic scriptures remain to be fulfilled

[20:09] <jazene-VHL> I don't think it is Jerusalem that he loves but his chosen people.

[20:09] <light2-VHL> 3Zac 12:10 Lord

[20:10] <Hope-VHL> Thanks for the correction Jazene, : )

[20:10] <HostBob> no, many times in the Tanakh he calls it "the place that I have chosen for my name to dwell"

[20:10] <kitkat-VHL> thats right jazene

[20:10] <Lords_messenger-VHL> there is very little scripture to be yet fullfilled ....

[20:11] <me-VHL> 5excuse my ignorance but what is the Tanakh

[20:11] <HostBob> "I will restore your judges as in days of old, your counselors as at the beginning. Afterward you will be called the City of Righteousness, the Faithful City.""

[20:11] <HostBob> what we Christians commonly call "the Old Testament"

[20:11] <Lords_messenger-VHL> did that Bob ...they turned away ...

[20:11] <HostBob> "Zion will be redeemed with justice, her penitent ones with righteousness."

[20:11] <light2-VHL> 3Lord we better worry more about the church because judgement is going to begin with us

[20:12] <HostBob> yes, light, I agree

[20:12] <Hope-VHL> THAT's right LIGHT

[20:12] <Lords_messenger-VHL> light have you seen the judgement of the "church" ?

[20:12] <light2-VHL> 3If Israel is still blinded, maybe it is because we have not prayed as we should

[20:13] <light2-VHL> 3No but Peter says its coming

[20:13] <jazene-VHL> Everyone puts a lot of empheises on the church. But I believe that we as a whole are his church. When we join together to talk like this I believe we are his church.

[20:13] <Lords_messenger-VHL> if a city is refered to as sodom and egypt ..spiritually ...what do you think will happen to it ...when the Lord comes back ?

[20:13] <HostBob> Burst into songs of joy together, you ruins of Jerusalem, for the LORD has comforted his people, he has redeemed Jerusalem.

[20:13] <HostBob> 10 The LORD will lay bare his holy arm in the sight of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God.

[20:13] <HostBob> Isaiah 52:9-10

[20:13] <me-VHL> 5if they dont receive Jesus as their Lord their will be no righteiousness in the city

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[20:14] <HostBob> True, me, there is no grace without repentance... however....

[20:14] <HostBob> God has clued us in on what will happen

[20:14] <Lords_messenger-VHL> didn't ask what isaiah said ...what do you say ?

[20:14] <light2-VHL> 3Well God is going to open hearts and He is the Only one who can

[20:14] <jazene-VHL> AMEN light

[20:14] <light2-VHL> 3I think Bob says what God says

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[20:15] <HostBob> What I say is inimportant - what God has said is all that matters

[20:15] <HostBob> unimportant

[20:15] <Hope-VHL> Personally, I like to know what GOD has to say on the matter, more than man...

[20:15] <HostBob> which anyone who calls himself "Lord's messenger" should understand

[20:15] <jazene-VHL> You have to PRAY AND PRAY AND STUDY.

[20:15] <light2-VHL> 3We are to Love Israel, they are enemies because of the gospel ,but beloved because of the Father

[20:15] <Lords_messenger-VHL> TRUE WORD>>>The Lord will have no pleasure therin: but will remember their wickednesses, and punish their sins. Israel turneth again into Egypt, 4they have forgotten him that made them, they build churches,6 and Juda maketh many strong cities: therefore will I send a fire into their cities, and it shall consume their places. Oseas (thats Hosea chp 8 :14 for you kjv folks)

[20:16] <light2-VHL> 3Saint Paul in Romans

[20:16] <me-VHL> 5yes its great to know that they will repent but this still remains the dividing line his promised seed through Ab must except jesus as Lord

[20:16] <Lords_messenger-VHL> you got the crown Bob ...not me ...

[20:16] <me-VHL> 5light we are too love aaall people Israel is no exception

[20:17] <Lords_messenger-VHL> so what do you think the judgement is on mans diverse "churches ...????

[20:17] <HostBob> All that God has said will come true - yes, Israel has suffered greatly because of their rejection of the Lord - but the redemption that He has promised will certainly take place

[20:18] <Lords_messenger-VHL> Jerusalem Bob ...Jerusalem ...the city ...Bob ...

[20:18] <me-VHL> 5agreed

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[20:18] <Hope-VHL> IS this a debate or a discussion?

[20:19] <HostBob> yes, Hope, I agree

[20:19] <HostBob> let's move forward here :)

[20:19] <me-VHL> 5His eternal purpose is that the CHURCH (jew and gentile) shaall demonstrate His power to the principalities and poewers

[20:19] <jazene-VHL> All we can do as christians and believers in Jesus Christ is to spread the word or to place the seed and let the Holy Spirit do the rest. That is what we were sent to do.

[20:19] <HostBob> welcome, Yaq!

[20:19] <Hope-VHL> GREAT IDEA

[20:19] <light2-VHL> 3That little city belongs to the Almighty and He has preserved it, remember the deliverer is coming to turn their hearts

[20:19] <HostBob> Good point, me!

[20:19] <HostBob> Yes, Jazene! :)

[20:20] <light2-VHL> 3Yeah Jazene

[20:20] <Lords_messenger-VHL> Original Word >>>Then Jupiters priest, which dwelt before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the church porch, and would have done sacrifice with the people....4refering to a church as a pagan temple THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 14

[20:20] <HostBob> and be "approved by God" as His messengers

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[20:20] <Hope-VHL> DO YOU HATE JERUSALEM MESSENGER?

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[20:20] <jazene-VHL> 5:-) Amen

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[20:21] <light2-VHL> 3Hey Lord, do like Christ said, let the wheat and tares grow up together

[20:21] <light2-VHL> 3He'll send his angels to separate

[20:21] <jazene-VHL> 5How could anyone that is a believer in Jesus Christ Hate???

[20:21] <Hope-VHL> :-)

[20:21] <light2-VHL> 3If you try to do it you harm the wheat

[20:21] <kitkat-VHL> he will separet them

[20:22] <HostBob> What does that mean to you, light?

[20:22] <jazene-VHL> 5We all know that light and darkness cannot dwell in the same place.

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[20:22] <light2-VHL> 3God knows them that are his

[20:22] <HostBob> Welcome, MD!

[20:22] <jazene-VHL> 5yes he will seperate them the believers from the unbelievers.

[20:22] <HostBob> Because many are posing as believers

[20:22] <HostBob> when they have other motives

[20:23] <light2-VHL> 3exactly

[20:23] <md47-VHL> Thank you

[20:23] <Lords_messenger-VHL> And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which spiritually is called Zodom (Sodom) and Eygpt, where our Lord was crucified.

[20:23] <jazene-VHL> 5but the end will show the results.

[20:23] <Hope-VHL> We may not agree with what people do, or the way they act, but we MUST LOVE them...

[20:23] <HostBob> Yes, Hope

[20:23] <kitkat-VHL> thats right hope

[20:23] <Lords_messenger-VHL> where was that ???? Jerusalem ...no ?

[20:23] <calledtomiddleeast-V> Praise GOD!!

[20:23] <jazene-VHL> 5Yes I agree with you Hope.

[20:23] <Lords_messenger-VHL> is jaz a woman ?

[20:23] <HostBob> Lords, knock it off, or I will ban you

[20:24] <jazene-VHL> 5Yes!!!

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[20:24] <Lords_messenger-VHL> for what Bob?? ban me for what ...the truth ?

[20:24] <HostBob> Welcome, Score!

[20:24] <jazene-VHL> 5Does that make a difference as long as I believe in Jesus?

[20:24] <HostBob> What, Jazene?

[20:25] <SCORE-VHL> THANKS

[20:25] <HostBob> For the newcomers, we are glad you are here! :) Feel free to chime in :)

[20:25] <Lords_messenger-VHL> jaz ...not in the spirit ...but you said love love love ..love love love ...sounded like a woman

[20:25] <Hope-VHL> You know what, I Believe that America has been spared, so far, BECAUSE of the way we have protected Israel, whether we agree with what they do or not, we should LOVE THEM!!!

[20:25] <jazene-VHL> 5does being a woman have a difference?

[20:25] <calledtomiddleeast-V> i wish I had a little crown by my name, host bob

[20:25] <jazene-VHL> 5AMEN Hope

[20:26] <HostBob> LOL called :)

[20:26] <me-VHL> 5can we discuss what are the next prophecies we are waiting to see fulfilled

[20:26] <calledtomiddleeast-V> :)

[20:26] <jazene-VHL> 5Yes can we.

[20:26] <HostBob> Sure, me :)

[20:26] <HostBob> Let's hear what you think - please cite references if possible, ok?

[20:26] <Lords_messenger-VHL> NOTE: If you say "God loves everyone," my answer is going to be "I hated Esau. Malachi 1:3. Also, see Leviticus 20:23, 26:30; Deuteronomy 32:19; Psalm 5:5-6, 10:3, 11:5, 53:5, 73:20, 78:59, 106:40; Proverbs 6:16-19, 8:13, 22:14;

[20:26] <Hope-VHL> GOOD thought ME

[20:26] <yaqquir-VHL> love is a fruit of the spirit and we are all to bear fruit love-agape

[20:26] <me-VHL> 5is the peace reaty in the missle east one?

[20:27] <HostBob> Yes, Yaq

[20:27] <Hope-VHL> MAN, MESSENGER, are you a BELIEVER? YOU sure don't sound like it......you need to control your hatred!

[20:27] <Lords_messenger-VHL> And Jehu the son of Hanani the sear, went out against him and said to king Jehosaphat: oughtest thou to help the wicked, and to love them that hate the Lord. ????

[20:27] <calledtomiddleeast-V> he is refering to esau as the flesh and jacob as the spirit

[20:27] <HostBob> Good question me :) any opinions on that?

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[20:28] <light2-VHL> 3Watch out Lord, remember Balaam got judged for trying to curse Gods people

[20:28] <Hope-VHL> WE are not called to HATE, we are called to LOVE! OUR enemies too!!!!

[20:28] <kitkat-VHL> we know we have passed from death unto life because we love the brethren

[20:28] <HostBob> I just kicked messenger out again

[20:28] <HostBob> so let's move on :)

[20:28] <Hope-VHL> Good job, Bob, UNBELIEVABLE!

[20:29] <light2-VHL> 3Ok Bob

[20:29] <Dotk-VHL> praise the Lord

[20:29] <Hope-VHL> now back to prophesy

[20:29] <HostBob> Personally, I don't believe this treaty...

[20:29] <jazene-VHL> 5What was it that Jesus said about turning the other cheek?

[20:29] <HostBob> is the one that most people believe Daniel is speaking of in the 70 weeks prophecy

[20:30] <Hope-VHL> Now I'm lost, what treaty are we talking about

[20:30] <HostBob> however, it is certainly significant

[20:30] <jazene-VHL> 5Good Going Bob.

[20:30] <HostBob> the Palestinian peace negotiations

[20:30] <HostBob> the latest news is....

[20:30] <calledtomiddleeast-V> messenger change your name or change your behavior!

[20:30] <HostBob> they are refusing to budge an inch (Palestinians)

[20:30] <Hope-VHL> Oh, the one that is going to be finalized September 13

[20:31] <HostBob> still calling for Israel to withdraw from 1967 borders

[20:31] <HostBob> and still proclaiming Jerusalem as their "capital"

[20:31] <calledtomiddleeast-V> :-O

[20:31] <calledtomiddleeast-V> :->

[20:31] <me-VHL> 5do you believe there will be a seven year count down to the antichrist fromthe signing of thiss peace treaty

[20:31] <HostBob> But God has other ideas, huh! ;)

[20:31] <yaqquir-VHL> feel palestinian offer of peace is the peace of saladin

[20:32] <calledtomiddleeast-V> amen

[20:32] <HostBob> yes, Yaq!

[20:32] <HostBob> please explain to the others what you mean, Yaq

[20:32] <me-VHL> 5whats saladin yaqquir

[20:32] <light2-VHL> 3Bob do you think that Jerusalem is now being trodden down by the gentiles or are we looking for that to happen??

[20:32] <Hope-VHL> Good question ME

[20:33] <kitkat-VHL> :-(good night

[20:33] <HostBob> Well, light, the most important part of Jerusalem (Temple Mount) is still being "trodden down" right?

[20:33] <jazene-VHL> 5Have'nt they started rebuilding the temple yet?:-)

[20:33] <me-VHL> 5goodnight

[20:33] <Hope-VHL> Good night Kit, I hope you're not down.....God Bless you

[20:33] <me-VHL> 5what time is it in america I"m in australia

[20:33] <HostBob> Saladin was a muslim leader during the time of the crusaders....

[20:33] <jazene-VHL> 5good nite me.:-)

[20:33] <kitkat-VHL> i injoyed it

[20:34] <HostBob> who Arafat frequently refers to.... because....

[20:34] <Hope-VHL> GOOD

[20:34] <jazene-VHL> 5I am in Louisiana and it is 7:41 pm

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[20:34] <me-VHL> 5i was saying goodnight to kitkat

[20:34] <HostBob> Saladin's "peace treaty' was merely a ruse to weaken his opponents

[20:34] <bootedtruth-VHL> hi BOB :)

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[20:34] <HostBob> and Arafats says that with a wink when talking to Arab audiences

[20:35] <HostBob> knowing that they understand the implications

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[20:35] <yaqquir-VHL> in the time of the crusades the then ruler of the holy land sued for peace with the leader of the christen knights

[20:35] <Hope-VHL> Hi boo, welcome! : )

[20:35] <light2-VHL> 3Oh OH guess whos back

[20:35] <HostBob> Hello, Booted

[20:35] <bootedtruth-VHL> hi hpoe :)

[20:35] <HostBob> yes, yaq

[20:35] <light2-VHL> 3Hope you will be good now

[20:35] <bootedtruth-VHL> why did you boot Lords messenger ?

[20:35] <yaqquir-VHL> it was a false peace until he could rebuild the he turned on them

[20:36] <HostBob> I will boot anyone who is a disruption

[20:36] <bootedtruth-VHL> what did he or she do ????

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[20:36] <HostBob> So when Arafat talks about the "peace of Saladin" they know what he is implying...

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[20:36] <me-VHL> 5thanks that explains it better

[20:37] <HostBob> that it's just a treaty to gain land, to weaken Israel for the latter assaults

[20:37] <yaqquir-VHL> amen!

[20:37] <Hope-VHL> GIVE US A BREAK!

[20:37] <light2-VHL> 3Does Arafat, think only his own know about this meaning?

[20:37] <me-VHL> 5still IF he signs for what ever HIS reasons will that still be a count down of 7 years till we see the antichrist

[20:37] <HostBob> the Palestinians call it the "phased plan"

[20:38] <jazene-VHL> 5So what is supposed to happen now??

[20:38] <HostBob> it was formally implemented in 1974

[20:38] <HostBob> that the current "peace negotiations" are only a means to an end...

[20:38] <me-VHL> 5how was that bob

[20:38] <HostBob> what they call the "liberation of Palestine"

[20:38] <bootedtruth-VHL> you guys might still be talkin about air of fat ...when Jesus comes back .....

[20:39] <calledtomiddleeast-V> 15jesus

[20:39] <Hope-VHL> called, change the color...: )

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[20:39] <me-VHL> 5we are all waiting Bob

[20:39] <SCORE-VHL> are you saying that this treaty was implemented in 1974?

[20:39] <Dotk-VHL> hello kitty

[20:40] <HostBob> no, Score, the "phased plan".....

[20:40] <bootedtruth-VHL> 3Jeremy, and said: As for the words that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will in no wise hear them: But whatsoever goeth forth out of our own mouth, that will we do: 3

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[20:40] <Kitty-VHL> hello Dot

[20:40] <SCORE-VHL> thanks

[20:40] <HostBob> was formally instituted by the Palestinians in 1974

[20:40] <HostBob> their plans for "liberating Palestine"

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[20:40] <SCORE-VHL> so when was this phase to end

[20:40] <HostBob> they say they could not do it soley by war

[20:41] <HostBob> they learned that in the 1973 Yom Kippur war

[20:41] <Kitty-VHL> Is this the peace treaty that is referred to in Revelation

[20:41] <light2-VHL> 3Do you think there will be another war shortly ?

[20:41] <HostBob> Good question Kitty - personally, I don't think so...

[20:41] <bootedtruth-VHL> 3There be six things which the Lord hateth, and the seventh he utterly abhoreth: A proud look, a dissembling (KJV= lying) tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, an heart that goeth about with wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to do mischief, a false witness that bringeth up lies, and such one as soweth discord among brethren. The Proverbs of Solomon 6

[20:41] <HostBob> but that's just my opinion

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[20:42] <light2-VHL> 3Bob could Israel be headed for another war before this coming Yom Kippur?

[20:43] <jazene-VHL> 5Yes booted they are the things that the Lord hates (things not people)

[20:43] <me-VHL> 5why do you have this opinion Bob is there something we dont understand

[20:43] <HostBob> I booted that person again - if he shows up under another name, please ignore him

[20:44] <HostBob> Well, me... the peace treaty spoken of by Daniel... is apparently facilitated by the antichrist, right?

[20:44] <HostBob> that's the popular understanding of it, anyway

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[20:44] <me-VHL> 5yes

[20:44] <Kitty-VHL> right

[20:44] <light2-VHL> 3Yes and He has not been revealed yer

[20:44] <light2-VHL> 3yet

[20:44] <HostBob> and I believe will possibly be broader in scope...

[20:44] <Kitty-VHL> but will he not be revealed until after the church is taken away

[20:45] <HostBob> possibly including such things as the rebuidling of the temple so forth

[20:45] <light2-VHL> 3Or there is a falling away

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[20:45] <Kitty-VHL> will Elijah be the one to rebuild the tem[le

[20:45] <light2-VHL> 3Bob does it look like there might be a war again in middle east soon?

[20:46] <me-VHL> 5interesting......then we have alot of years left

[20:46] <HostBob> Yes, Light, I believe the next war will be between Israel and Syria

[20:46] <HostBob> this week on the VHL forums I cited some Scriptures on which I base that understanding

[20:46] <light2-VHL> 3I wonder if Gog and Magog will enter in, that one , what do you thinK?

[20:47] <jazene-VHL> 5the bible says their will be wars and rumors of wars. Am I right Bob?

[20:47] <me-VHL> 5tell us more bob

[20:47] <HostBob> remember, though, these are just my opinions - we all need to keep searching the Scriptures diligently to get a better understanding

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[20:47] <HostBob> Yes, Jazene :)

[20:47] <HostBob> OK me....

[20:47] <yaqquir-VHL> don't depend on that assumption Me as the berlin wall came down in one day

[20:47] <HostBob> Isaiah 17 says this....

[20:48] <light2-VHL> 3Yes I think so also, and is it imperitive that we believe in a literal building of a Temple?

[20:48] <me-VHL> 5good point yaq

[20:48] <HostBob> "See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins."

[20:48] <HostBob> Damascus is the present day capital of Syria

[20:48] <Kitty-VHL> could that happen in the next war

[20:48] <HostBob> and this scripture has never been fulfilled

[20:48] <SCORE-VHL> yes i believe the word says that no man knoweth the day nor the hour of the coming of the son of man

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[20:49] <HostBob> Welcome, Cowboy :)

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[20:49] <HostBob> Hello, Gran!

[20:49] <light2-VHL> 3Was Damascus once a country?

[20:49] <me-VHL> 5thats good Bob not seen that before

[20:49] <jazene-VHL> 5Hey Gran

[20:49] <HostBob> no, a city

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 5:):-pHi all I am late

[20:49] <ruapharisee-VHL> mmmmmmmm

[20:49] <HostBob> there are other interesting things about Isaiah 17....

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 5:) didnt see the time

[20:50] <Hope-VHL> Hi GRAN! Never too late!

[20:50] <HostBob> verse 2 implies that present day country of Jordan will also be involved...

[20:50] <HostBob> the "cities of Aroer" is in present day Jordan

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[20:50] <HostBob> Welcome, Seth!

[20:50] <ruapharisee-VHL> so bob is the host ...what does that mean?

[20:50] <HostBob> And verse 3 is very interesting

[20:51] <seth-VHL> peace to you all

[20:51] <HostBob> Peace to you, Seth :)

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> 5:):-pBob you got a grown too

[20:51] <Hope-VHL> Hi Seth

[20:51] <HostBob> verse 3 of Isaiah 17 was puzzling to me at first

[20:51] <HostBob> it says "The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim, and royal power from Damascus"

[20:51] <Dotk-VHL> Do you think Damascus will be distroyed before the Lord comes

[20:51] <HostBob> now... if verse one says Damacus will be destroyed....

[20:51] <HostBob> yes, Dot

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[20:52] <HostBob> where does "Ephraim" fit into that?

[20:52] <HostBob> welcome, Mytan!

[20:52] <jazene-VHL> 5What makes Damacus so important ?

[20:52] <jazene-VHL> 5Good Evening Mytan

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[20:53] <HostBob> Well, Jazene, apparently the Lord decided to let us know it was going to happen ahead of time, because it significant in end-times events

[20:53] <HostBob> welcome Worthy!

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 5:):-pHi mylan

[20:53] <HostBob> We are discussing Isaiah 17

[20:53] <Hope-VHL> Hi Worthynews! :-)

[20:53] <HostBob> anyone.... to continue.....

[20:53] <mytan-VHL> Thank you Bob. It is good to be back. Forgive me if I am slow. Just got off work. Hello Jazene.

[20:53] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Hello Bob : ) Isaiah 17 hmm ok

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 5:):-pHi worthy

[20:53] <me-VHL> 5yes please

[20:53] <ruapharisee-VHL> So shalt thou ( O Damascus ) be desolate, because thou hast forgotten God thy *Saviour (kjv = salvation), and hast not called to remembrance the rock of thy strength. Wherefore thou hast also set a fair plant, and grafted a strange branch. In the day when thou didest plant it, it was great, and gave soon the fruit of thy seed: But in the day of harvest, thou shalt reap an heap of sorrows and miseries.

[20:53] <jazene-VHL> 5Hi Worthynews.

[20:53] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> hey Gran : )

[20:53] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Hey Jazene : )

[20:54] <mytan-VHL> Hey Gran and Everyone.

[20:54] <me-VHL> 5hi all

[20:54] <HostBob> like i said, "Ephraim" in verse 3 made no sense to me at first...

[20:54] <HostBob> then I realized that...

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 5:):-*Hi me

[20:54] <HostBob> "the hill country of Ephraim" is what we today call "the West Bank"

[20:54] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> so are we discussing the destruction of damascus ?

[20:54] <HostBob> yes, Worthy :)

[20:55] <HostBob> and... God said... The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim,

[20:55] <me-VHL> 5thats cool I didnt know that

[20:55] <HostBob> which to me seems to indicate....

[20:55] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> so are we speculating this is the retailation of Ezekiel 38 ?

[20:55] <ruapharisee-VHL> This is the heavy burden upon Damascus: Behold, Damascus shall be no more a city, but a heap of broken stones. The cities of Aroer shall be waste: the cattle shall live there, and no man shall fraye (scare) them away. Ephraim shall no more be strong, and Damascus shall no more be a Kingdom.

[20:55] <HostBob> that the Palestinians will join in with Syria

[20:55] <SCORE-VHL> the west bank, where so much fighting goes on today?

[20:55] <HostBob> but will be wiped out militarily

[20:56] <Hope-VHL> where are you quoting this from rua

[20:56] <HostBob> yes, Score, where the Palestinians are trying to establish their "state"

[20:56] <Kitty-VHL> v.14 describes a sudden and complete distrustion, do you think that will be thea case with Damascus

[20:56] <HostBob> Yes, Kitty

[20:56] <HostBob> Damascus will be utterly destroyed, that much is very clear

[20:56] <seth-VHL> the palestinians as we call them pronoce the word correctly they are the philistines

[20:56] <SCORE-VHL> wow

[20:56] <ruapharisee-VHL> Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

[20:57] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> Just so people know about one week ago it was reported in the London times that Israel was planting a mine field of miniature nuclear bombs in that region in case Syria tries to over run that section of the country if you wanna read the article it's fairly interesting

[20:57] <Kitty-VHL> it seems that it is all over in a day

[20:57] <HostBob> the timing, and circumstances we speculate on

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[20:57] <HostBob> Thanks for the info, worthy :)

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[20:58] <HostBob> It's so exciting to see God do His work before our very eyes!

[20:58] <me-VHL> 5so once syria is destroyed what then?

[20:58] <light2-VHL> 3miniature nuclear bombs, is that dangerous for the rest of the world also??

[20:58] <Hope-VHL> where is the article Worthy

[20:58] <HostBob> Well, me.... Isaiah 17 seems to indicate...

[20:58] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> hold on let me check my site cna I post the article link in here bob ?

[20:58] <HostBob> sure, Worthy :)

[20:58] <yaqquir-VHL> possibly neutron type mines?

[20:58] <WorthyNewsEditor-VHL> ok just wanted to make sure : )

[20:59] <Hope-VHL> BOB's COOOOL : )

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 5:):-*

[20:59] <HostBob> to indicate that Israel will lose much national status as a result of the destruction of Damascus

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[20:59] <HostBob> and will face intense international scorn and criticism

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[20:59] <light2-VHL> 3They already have alot of that

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[21:00] <HostBob> Yes, Yac, low yield tactical nukes

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[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 5:):-*yes and mostly for protecting herself

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[21:00] <HostBob> Yes, Light, but it will be much worse, appearently

[21:00] <SCORE-VHL> wow bob that makes a lot of sence

[21:00] <me-VHL> 5will America continue to protect Israel

[21:00] <Kitty-VHL> Isn't this the stage for antichrist

[21:01] <HostBob> My opinion (and it is just that)... is that THAT situation could lead to the final treaty

[21:01] <Hope-VHL> This is wierd, I just got booted out!! : (

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[21:01] <light2-VHL> 3Are nuclear weapons dangerous to the health of the earth enviroment?? Just asking??

[21:01] <HostBob> Welcome, TJ

[21:01] <HostBob> I would think so, light :)

[21:01] <TJTODD> thanks Bob

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 5:(;-)Hi TJ

[21:01] <HostBob> I didn't boot ye, Hope :)

[21:01] <SCORE-VHL> and will probably lead america to a different stand

[21:01] <HostBob> Me, I doubt it

[21:01] <TJTODD> Hi Grab

[21:02] <Kitty-VHL> America in prophecy, where is she?

[21:02] <Hope-VHL> I know Bob :->

[21:02] <TJTODD> Hi Gran sorry !

[21:02] <light2-VHL> 3Well if they ( Israel) get the enviromentalist on their back!!

[21:02] <jazene-VHL> 5If the treaty is signed doesn't that mean the beginning of the seven year period?

[21:02] <light2-VHL> 3They'll have the green peace movement all upset for sure

[21:02] <HostBob> Good question Kitty - some see America as the "eagle" in certain prophecies - to me that seems to be a stretch at best

[21:03] <Kitty-VHL> Doesn't the Bible say that Israel will stand alone?

[21:03] <HostBob> Yes, Kitty, it does

[21:03] <seth-VHL> could america be the two horned beast?

[21:03] <Kitty-VHL> If so that will rule out America's stand for her

[21:03] <Hope-VHL> If we're the eagle, it's depressing news!

[21:04] <light2-VHL> 3I have been thinking we are like the roman empire, everyone in world speaks English

[21:04] <jazene-VHL> 5If Clinton could stay in office we probably would be a two horned beast.

[21:04] <light2-VHL> 3Just like the Latin of days of Rome

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[21:04] <light2-VHL> 3Oh Jazene don't wish that on us all!!

[21:04] <seth-VHL> the 2 horned one rises out of dry ground when the other beast recievs the wound 1798

[21:05] <jazene-VHL> 5Well aren't we to speak the truth?

[21:05] <yaqquir-VHL> considering the present day assault on basic values in america she may cease to exist as a major power -such as roman greek persian empires

[21:05] <Kitty-VHL> What about the UN? Will the antichrist be involved in its leadership?

[21:05] <light2-VHL> 3Clinton remaining in office that is!!:-)

[21:05] <Hope-VHL> Well if Clinton declares a national emergeny before his term ends, he can very well sign an Executive Order and stay in office, Jazene

[21:05] <SCORE-VHL> But light look at what we may turn to

[21:05] <me-VHL> 5good point yaq

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[21:05] <jazene-VHL> 5Oh really I didn't know that.

[21:05] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> sorry about that LOL something wierd happened : )

[21:05] <HostBob> yes yaq, very possible

[21:06] <Kitty-VHL> Some are saying the UN is Clinton's goal

[21:06] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/03/26/stifgnmid02001.html This is the article about the golan heights mini nukes mines

[21:06] <Hope-VHL> Thanks Worthy! : )

[21:06] <me-VHL> 5Bob on a personal note "how do you get to be host" are you a pastor?

[21:06] <HostBob> Thanks, worthy - I had seen that before on your website- of course the Israelis are denying that, as would be expected

[21:07] <mytan-VHL> Excuse me for getting off the track, but, just what is a "LOL?"

[21:07] <HostBob> No, I am not a pastor :)

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[21:07] <HostBob> LOL is Laugh Out Loud

[21:07] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> LOL Bob

[21:07] <HostBob> Welcome, Chris! :)

[21:07] <mytan-VHL> Thank you Bob.

[21:07] <me-VHL> 5hi Chris

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[21:07] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> so are we still on Isaiah 17 ?

[21:08] <HostBob> I'm just like you guys are - a person who loves the Lord Jesus and searches His word to get an understanding of His plans and purposes :)

[21:08] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> anyone wanna comment on Isaiah 26 and the covenant of death and hell ?

[21:08] <Chris-VHL> Thanks, Bob and me

[21:08] <Kitty-VHL> Are you Jewish Bob?

[21:08] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> : ) Bob

[21:08] <HostBob> Well, worthy, things tend to jump around here a lot :)

[21:08] <me-VHL> 5are you the host all the time (this is my first time in here)

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[21:08] <HostBob> nope, Kitty, just a common goy :)

[21:08] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> LOL I know how it is running a chat room Bob : )

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[21:09] <HostBob> Yes, each Monday at 8PM ET

[21:09] <seth-VHL> any idea on when the Is 17 will come about

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[21:09] <HostBob> Yes, Worthy, regarding the "covenant with death"

[21:09] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Nail pierced hands wounded side this is love this is love Holy heart was sacrificed this is love love this song : )

[21:10] <HostBob> let me paste that so everyone can see what you are referring to

[21:10] <TJTODD> Hi Lori

[21:10] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> seth my speculation will be a retailation of Ezekiel 38

[21:10] <me-VHL> 5me too we sing it in church alot

[21:10] <Lori-VHL> Hi TJ:-)

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[21:10] <HostBob> from Isaiah 28: Therefore hear the word of the LORD, you scoffers who rule this people in Jerusalem.

[21:10] <HostBob> You boast, "We have entered into a covenant with death, with the grave we have made an agreement. When an overwhelming scourge sweeps by, it cannot touch us, for we have made a lie our refuge and falsehood our hiding place."

[21:10] <cybernate-VHL> 14When the Book says that when they kill you and think they are doing God's will, does anyone think that refers to Muslims?

[21:10] <HostBob> So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who trusts will never be dismayed.

[21:11] <HostBob> Good question Nate - let's defer that for a minute, and then bring it up, ok? :)

[21:11] <HostBob> I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the plumb line; hail will sweep away your refuge, the lie, and water will overflow your hiding place.

[21:11] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> but in this same passage in Ezekiel 38 I also see the potential of a US destruction in verses 10-12 it's interesting reading if you are interested in studying it seth : )

[21:11] <HostBob> Your covenant with death will be annulled; your agreement with the grave will not stand. When the overwhelming scourge sweeps by, you will be beaten down by it.

[21:11] <light2-VHL> 3Amen Jesus Christ the stone the builders set at nought

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[21:12] <HostBob> Is that the Scripture you were talking about, Worthy?

[21:12] <HostBob> Yes, light :)

[21:12] <Kitty-VHL> Does this covenant of death apply to the tribulation period?

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[21:12] <HostBob> Kitty, it could be referring to the false hopes of the current "peace process"

[21:12] <Kitty-VHL> when for a time men will seek death and cannot die

[21:13] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Covenant with death and hell When Simon Peres (which means Daniel 5:28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.) the bombings in the streets of jersualem on the buses the people chanted You have signed a coventant with death etc

[21:13] <HostBob> making a "lie" their refuge

[21:13] <seth-VHL> thanks i will ck it out

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[21:13] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> this was in 93 I believe the covenant with death and hell How can a man give away the land that God gave to Abraham ?

[21:13] <HostBob> instead of relying on the "tested cornerstone in Zion" which is the Lord Himself

[21:13] <Hope-VHL> Bob, I read that the name RABIN means "with many", and if the treaty that was signed between Arafat and Rabin, covenant with many? And the fact that now he's dead, could this be the pact with death?

[21:13] <light2-VHL> 3The Stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner!

[21:14] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Amen to that Bob : )

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[21:14] <HostBob> I don't know, Hope :)

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[21:15] <HostBob> Get tossed out, TJ? :)

[21:15] <Hope-VHL> Just seems like a BIG coincidence

[21:15] <TJTODD> yeah Bob sure did

[21:15] <HostBob> OK - should we talk about Nates's question?

[21:15] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> well we do know that the covenant is just confirmed not signed as the modern translations have changed the meaning there it's confirmed and the hebrew word there is Bereath I believe with means to sign or confirm with blood

[21:15] <Hope-VHL> What was it?

[21:16] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> I missed the question ?

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5:)strange but i just got a screen up behind here saying the page cannot be displayed so if I disappear that may be why

[21:16] <Lori-VHL> That happened to a person last wed. too, TJ

[21:16] <Hope-VHL> THat happened to me too GRAN, first time : )

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 5:)I have had trouble for a week geting and staying online

[21:16] <cybernate-VHL> 14Who thinks they are doing God's will by killing Christians and Jews....

[21:16] <TJTODD> that's okay i'm back now

[21:16] <HostBob> Nate asked about what Jesus said, that in the future people who kill "you" will think they are doing God's will

[21:16] <light2-VHL> 3who is nate

[21:17] <light2-VHL> 3There is no nate on the list

[21:17] <Lori-VHL> Gran, I have that behind mine also.

[21:17] <cybernate-VHL> 14<<<<

[21:17] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> well nate it will be those that are under the grand delusion of 2 Thessalonians 2 I believe all those that have fallen under the grand delusion

[21:17] <Gran-VHL> 5:)stange things these computers

[21:17] <HostBob> Nate, the ultimate fulfillment of that will be in the days of the antichrist, when people will be passionately devoted to him as the "Christ" and will kill all that oppose him

[21:17] <mytan-VHL> Some have always killed and thought they were doing in the name of God.

[21:17] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> they will be pawns for the Antichrist and the False Prophet and will go forth killing whoever opposes the AntiChrist and the False Prophet

[21:18] <HostBob> yes, Worthy

[21:18] <me-VHL> 5like the people that sit at them gran lol

[21:18] <Lori-VHL> Gran, Yeah strange. So you still on the war path?:-)

[21:18] <HostBob> true, Mytan

[21:18] <light2-VHL> 3Kill the people who know the truth

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 5:)so true LOL

[21:18] <HostBob> that's why Jesus gave us many warnings...

[21:18] <cybernate-VHL> 14so you think the "God" is the antichrist?

[21:18] <light2-VHL> 3sorry cybernate, I guess you were nate

[21:18] <HostBob> don't be surprised if they hate you

[21:18] <HostBob> because they hated me

[21:18] <HostBob> what do you mean, nate?

[21:19] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Well you know that the Muslims went forth killing off Christians but also you have the inquistion of the catholic church in the dark ages so throughout time you have had some kind of persecution

[21:19] <Lori-VHL> So, what is the great deception?

[21:19] <cybernate-VHL> 14right....

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 5:)Lori I must have burned out last week as have not be feeling well and not able to sleep much either

[21:19] <jazene-VHL> 5What do you mean nate do we think that "God" is the anitchrist?

[21:19] <TJTODD> good qurestion lori

[21:19] <cybernate-VHL> 14no

[21:19] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> good question Lori it will be so grand that if it were possible it would deceive the very elect : )

[21:19] <Lori-VHL> :-)

[21:19] <seth-VHL> it says all will be decieved but the elect, that incldes jews christians and muslims

[21:20] <mytan-VHL> The great deception is to make people think Satan is the Christ.

[21:20] <HostBob> the great deception is the "coming" of the antichrist with signs, wonders, miracles

[21:20] <yaqquir-VHL> maybe the God they speakof is the God of this earth not the True God

[21:20] <light2-VHL> 3Well alot of christians are getting awfully cozy with some churches that teach very false doctrin

[21:20] <cybernate-VHL> 14maybe...

[21:20] <HostBob> and a seductive message that the world will be convinced is their "salvation"

[21:20] <HostBob> yes, light

[21:20] <jazene-VHL> 5God is God whether it is over heaven or earth.

[21:21] <cybernate-VHL> 14The church I grew up in now teaches that homosexuality is OK

[21:21] <Lori-VHL> So, how is satan going to make people think he is Christ?

[21:21] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> also Bob you have to include the fact that the world will become little gods everyone is a god etc

[21:21] <light2-VHL> 3I was raise Catholic and I am not ashamed to say that their teaching is very false

[21:21] <Hope-VHL> GET OUT NATE

[21:21] <me-VHL> 5The bible says that IF we have a love of the TRUTH we will not be deceived

[21:21] <cybernate-VHL> 14Lutheran.....

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[21:21] <HostBob> yes, Yaq, the God, for example, that the Masons speak of is a universalist God that embraces all religions, dishonoring Jesus' claims to be the exclusive Son of God

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 5:);-)hope there are several old time or old line churches now that do

[21:22] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Lori read my aricle on lord maitreya and that will show you how delusions can start etc

[21:22] <mytan-VHL> By working miracle and wonders. He imitates Christ in all he does so that he might deceive the very elect of God.

[21:22] <light2-VHL> 3Yet alot of well known preachers are really thinking the Pope is so speacial, He claims to be the Vicar of Christ, look up the word Vicar

[21:22] <yaqquir-VHL> you are so right worthy

[21:22] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Oh Bob let's not start on Masons : ) we could go on all day explaining the masonic lodge : )

[21:22] <Hope-VHL> That's terrible, Gran, God never changes....

[21:22] <me-VHL> 5worthy how does one get to read your articles are you in the paper?

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 5:)I have a very good friend that is a 32 degee mason and will not believe the truth about their releigion

[21:23] <light2-VHL> 3And If you agree then your a prime candidate for the falling away'

[21:23] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> I have a huge web site

[21:23] <jazene-VHL> 5AMEN Mytan I totally agree.

[21:23] <Hope-VHL> worthynews.com

[21:23] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> www.worthynews.com

[21:23] <HostBob> all false religious systems will unite under this "enlightened" false prophet

[21:23] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> LOL thanks hope LOL

[21:23] <Hope-VHL> :-)

[21:23] <HostBob> but let's not focus on that only, because the focus of the Scriptures is on the LORD'S GLORIOUS TRIUMPH over his opponents!

[21:24] <me-VHL> 5thanks

[21:24] <jazene-VHL> 5AMEN and AMEN:-)

[21:24] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Hey Gran if you want to win that mason over to the Lord you better pull down the strongholds of delusion and deception in his life and loose truth and understanding so that he can see the truth

[21:24] <Hope-VHL> AMEN Worthy!

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> 5:)yes I could do that only not around him

[21:25] <light2-VHL> 3Shine the Light Gran, let him see how wonderful it is to know Jesus personally

[21:25] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> a 32nd degree mason is involved in the blood rituals of the masonic lodge so you will have some heavy duty praying to do to show them salvation in Jesus Christ

[21:25] <Lori-VHL> My boyfriend is a mason. I do not know too much about them--men only thang

[21:25] <cybernate-VHL> 14Will the False Prophet or Antichrist be Jewish?

[21:25] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Lori how long has he been in the lodge ?

[21:25] <HostBob> We can get so caught up in speculating on end-times scenarios (which is not bad to do) that we lose the big picture, right? That Jesus will reign from Mount Zion, gloriously! :)

[21:25] <cybernate-VHL> 14amen

[21:25] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> the AntiChrist I believe will have to prove that his lineage is from the House of David for the rabbis of Israel to embrace him

[21:25] <jazene-VHL> 5amen

[21:25] <HostBob> Masons are very religious people usually

[21:25] <Lori-VHL> About 3 years. He has his 32nd degree (?)

[21:25] <Kitty-VHL> Many Prophecy Ministers think he will be a Gentile

[21:26] <Nega-VHL> how come there are mason pastors?

[21:26] <HostBob> but it is a false religion

[21:26] <Hope-VHL> Lori, look up the web site cuttingedge.org (the Cutting Edge).... : ) You'll be a little shocked

[21:26] <Gran-VHL> 5:)oh the man is a long time christain and prays with me but gets his back up if I say anything about masons. I was so surprised at that

[21:26] <mytan-VHL> Yes Bob. That is why it is so important to know what His word says. So that we can rightly divide the word, fruit, spirits....etc..

[21:26] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> because Masons are part of the apostasy influtration the end time church

[21:26] <cybernate-VHL> 14What are masons?

[21:26] <HostBob> If you go to my website, and click on "other articles" you will see an excellent website written by a pastor who was formerly in a Masonic lodge

[21:26] <mytan-VHL> So do I Worthy.

[21:27] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Gran Masons have been coordinating a subtle influtration of the church for years : )

[21:27] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> what site is your site bob ?

[21:27] <HostBob> www.trumpetsounds.com

[21:27] <me-VHL> 5amen mytan

[21:27] <Lori-VHL> He's not. I think it is a party mostly.

[21:27] <light2-VHL> 3Hey guys I have to cut out, God Bless you all and give us all wisdom to deal with these last day things

[21:27] <light2-VHL> 3Goodnight

[21:27] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> I don't have it on my worthy links do I ? Have you asked ot be indexed bob ?

[21:27] <HostBob> See ya light! Thanks for joining us again!

[21:27] <me-VHL> 5bob what is your website

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[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 5I knew that worthy some peoole are so blinded

[21:27] <cybernate-VHL> 14me too. God bless everyone!

[21:28] <HostBob> I think so, some time ago, worthy, before I renamed it

[21:28] <me-VHL> 5got it

[21:28] <mytan-VHL> I agree with Bob. The masons are a false religion. Not to be trusted.

[21:28] <Hope-VHL> God Bless you Light

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[21:28] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> well Gran listen you have to remember who coined the phrase if you can't beat em join em

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> 5:)goof night light blessings

[21:28] <jazene-VHL> 5Good nite Light God Bless you.

[21:28] <Nega-VHL> what amazes me is that they do preach the Word of God at church and are masons...

[21:28] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Satan

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> 5oops good nite

[21:28] <HostBob> Speaking of the masons... this week, on an end times forum, I had a dialogue with one

[21:29] <HostBob> and... their interest in the Temple is quite telling

[21:29] <HostBob> many of their lodge names refer to the Temple in one way or another

[21:29] <Hope-VHL> I'll be right back : )

[21:29] <Kitty-VHL> there is no deception that is not mingled with truth

[21:29] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> so expect satanic involvement of some sort throughout most of the churches of this age read the churchs in Rev 5 of the 7 had some sort of demonic deception or problem in them etc

[21:29] <mytan-VHL> Not by works, Gran, lest any man should boast. Our righteousness is like filthy rags.

[21:29] <TJTODD> my husband was a mason but, he got out of it after he found out what they believed.

[21:29] <jazene-VHL> 5So does the Mormans but they are screwed up too.

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[21:30] <HostBob> because, as we know, the Temple Mount will become the focal point of the end times, as the forces of the enemy make one last futile attempt to wrest it from the hands of the Lord

[21:30] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> the mormons are under the deception that has links to the masonic lodge jazene many of their ritual services are directly linked to the masonic lodge

[21:30] <Lori-VHL> Most all of organized religions today are screwed up in some way.

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 5:)satan knows the word of God he just subverts it

[21:30] <HostBob> Yes, Kitty, good point

[21:31] <HostBob> All of the cults mix in truth with deception

[21:31] <jazene-VHL> 5Oh thanks for the Information Worthy.

[21:31] <mytan-VHL> The Word says that Satan believes and trembles.

[21:31] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Lori listen you can't get wrapped up in a church or a religion You gotta stick to the truth and look just to Jesus in these last days there will be no guide but the Lord alone because of the deception everywhere

[21:31] <Kitty-VHL> Absolutely! mytan

[21:31] <TJTODD> right on worthy.

[21:31] <jazene-VHL> 5Amen Worthy

[21:32] <Lori-VHL> Amen to that, worthy!:_)

[21:32] <Nega-VHL> thats it worthy

[21:32] <HostBob> Yes, as we have said many times in this chat room - KNOW THE WORD :)

[21:32] <HostBob> and know the God of the Word!!!

[21:32] <jazene-VHL> 5The truth shall set you free.

[21:32] <mytan-VHL> As Bob said last week Lori. The final standard is the word of God.

[21:32] <Nega-VHL> we gotta look only to Jesus

[21:32] <Kitty-VHL> The truth of God's Word will set you free

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> 5:) don't the masons suse secret Egyption rituals

[21:32] <Lori-VHL> Oops, I messed my smile up:-)

[21:32] <jazene-VHL> 5AMEN Mytan

[21:32] <me-VHL> 5but we all need a church that cvan teach us too

[21:32] <HostBob> Yes, Gran they do

[21:32] <Nega-VHL> men, religions, church et al are not perfect

[21:33] <TJTODD> Bob the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

[21:33] <jazene-VHL> 5Thanks for the correction Kitty.

[21:33] <yaqquir-VHL> Jesus said my sheep will know my voice

[21:33] <Lori-VHL> They use rituals. Where they come from I do not know.

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 5I have a video all about them but my fireind won't see it

[21:33] <mytan-VHL> Whatever anyone says to you, if it doesn't jive with the Word, it is a lie.

[21:33] <HostBob> Yes, TJ :)

[21:33] <me-VHL> 5We have to sit under apostles prophets pastors etc thats God best for us the ascension gifts for our edification and growth

[21:33] <HostBob> Amen, Mytan :)

[21:33] <jazene-VHL> 5We are again to test the spirit.

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 5Bob what is your WEBSITE

[21:33] <HostBob> my website is www.trumpetsounds.com

[21:34] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Micah 7:4 The best of them is as a brier: the most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge: the day of thy watchmen and thy visitation cometh; now shall be their perplexity.

[21:34] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> 5 Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.

[21:34] <Kitty-VHL> b

[21:34] <TJTODD> Bob, does that trumpets sound like a Shofar ?

[21:34] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> 6 For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man's enemies are the men of his own house.

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[21:34] <HostBob> Yeah, TJ :)

[21:34] <Gran-VHL> 5:) thanks Bob

[21:35] <TJTODD> I thought maybe it did Bob.

[21:35] <Lori-VHL> Worthy, Sounds like today-huh?

[21:35] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> The Lord says in verse 4 the best of the them are as a thorn and a briar in the day of his visitation

[21:35] <HostBob> Yes, Worthy, that speaks of the betrayal of many in the endtimes that Jesus referred to

[21:35] <Kitty-VHL> Don't forget that Christ died for the Church and Paul wrote that we forsake not the assembling of ourselves together and so much the more as we see the day approaching

[21:35] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> now verse 5 and 6 says don't trust anyone even your family

[21:35] <Hope-VHL> Man, I get bumped off, and then I have no clue what the subject is!

[21:35] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> verse 7 trust the Lord and He will lead and guide you He will be Your Shepherd in these last days : )

[21:35] <Gran-VHL> 5:) I hate to leave you all so early but just need to take care of family that just got here and then to bed for me

[21:36] <me-VHL> 5im with kitty

[21:36] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> take care and God bless Gran : )

[21:36] <HostBob> See ya Gran!

[21:36] <jazene-VHL> 5Good nite gran

[21:36] <Gran-VHL> 5:) God bless all of you hope I will feel better for Wed nite

[21:36] <TJTODD> bye gran

[21:36] <HostBob> Jesus: All these are the beginning of birth pains.

[21:36] <me-VHL> 5bye gran god bless

[21:36] <mytan-VHL> Goodnight Gran.

[21:36] <Gran-VHL> 5BYE all of you POOOFFFF

[21:36] <HostBob> "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.

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[21:36] <TJTODD> be praying for you Gran

[21:36] <Lori-VHL> Goodnight, Gran. God Bless & Keep You!!:-)

[21:36] <HostBob> At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,

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[21:36] <HostBob> and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

[21:36] <HostBob> Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,

[21:37] <HostBob> but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

[21:37] <TJTODD> Bob, don't you think we're in that day and hour now?

[21:37] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Right Kitty we must assemble together : ) encourage one another : ) even if you go to a dead or a spiritual deadening church be a lighthouse and a light in the church there is only one on Judge and that's the Lord Jesus and so whatever you do do it GREAT for Him : )

[21:37] <jazene-VHL> 5We seem to see so much of that nowadays.

[21:37] <HostBob> These are sobering words, that we need to take very seriously

[21:37] <me-VHL> 5we wont stand too strong though if we try to stand alone

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[21:37] <HostBob> Yes, TJ, but it will get much much worse

[21:37] <Kitty-VHL> We must also remember we are the church

[21:38] <HostBob> Amen - we all need the encouragement from assembling together

[21:38] <me-VHL> 5and we need each other

[21:38] <jazene-VHL> 5when a six year old can plan a murder we in bad shape.

[21:38] <TJTODD> right kitty we are the one body of the Messiah

[21:38] <HostBob> Which is one reason why we are "assembling" here :)

[21:38] <Kitty-VHL> let the strong bear the infirmity of the weak

[21:38] <Hope-VHL> much, much worse Bob, it's hard to even imagine

[21:38] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> we are also the temple Kitty : ) there's a outer court that will be tread under the feet of the Gentiles only those in the Inner court will be safe in the times ahead : )

[21:38] <Lori-VHL> Bob, :-):-)

[21:38] <mytan-VHL> We are the true "blood" relatives.

[21:39] <Kitty-VHL> Yes, we are the temple of the Holy Spirit

[21:39] <me-VHL> 5yes Bob

[21:39] <Hope-VHL> :-) Worthy

[21:39] <jazene-VHL> 5AMEN Mytan.

[21:39] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Amen mytan you my blood brother or sister ?

[21:39] <TJTODD> i'm on webtv i can't do those cute smiley faces

[21:39] <me-VHL> 5but we still all need to be in a GOOD church

[21:39] <HostBob> awwww, too bad, TJ :)

[21:39] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> LOL I don't know how they do it either Todd LOL

[21:39] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> right me : )

[21:39] <jazene-VHL> 5What is a Good Church me?:-)

[21:39] <mytan-VHL> Sister Worthy

[21:39] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> I just do the old fashion colon right ) LOL

[21:39] <Kitty-VHL> I agree any church denying that Jesus is the Christ needs to be avoided

[21:40] <HostBob> well, you all can pray for me, because I'm in the process of looking for a "good" church now

[21:40] <Nega-VHL> maybe even in a "ad"chruch there' always the reman.somtg (English is not my 1st lang)

[21:40] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Amen to that Kitty : )

[21:40] <HostBob> and it's a little frustrating

[21:40] <Lori-VHL> TJ, have you signed up on VHL?

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[21:40] <HostBob> Welcome, Toda!

[21:40] <TJTODD> do what lori ?

[21:40] <me-VHL> 5one free from religion one that encourages and doesnt condemm yet adjusts and corrects in love and preches the word

[21:40] <Kitty-VHL> To bad you don't live in Macclenny I feel I am in one of the best

[21:40] <Hope-VHL> You're in Tampa Bob?

[21:40] <Lori-VHL> Good Luck, Bob!

[21:40] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Bob in these last days the good churchs are fewer and far between

[21:40] <HostBob> yes, me

[21:40] <mytan-VHL> I understand Bob. So am I.

[21:40] <HostBob> Yes, Hope, I live in Tampa

[21:41] <jazene-VHL> 5Is their a Church out their like your speaking of.

[21:41] <Hope-VHL> ME TOO KITTY, PRAISE GOD!

[21:41] <Kitty-VHL> Yes

[21:41] <toda-VHL> i am going to tampa this weekend

[21:41] <Kitty-VHL> Praise God!

[21:41] <toda-VHL> what is a good church out there?

[21:41] <Kitty-VHL> The church is alive and well!!!!

[21:41] <Hope-VHL> If you ever head to Miami , my church is on FIRE!

[21:41] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> I actually think in these last days you will see a drastic increase of home churches : )

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[21:41] <toda-VHL> wonderful Hope

[21:41] <Lori-VHL> When you go to the VHL sit, log on & set up with them. That is where the smiley's come from.

[21:41] <HostBob> yes, Worthy, I agree

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[21:42] <me-VHL> 5yes in australia but too far for you all to travel mine is the best! I"m biased my husband is the Pastor!lol

[21:42] <Lori-VHL> Oops, that should be site, not sit

[21:42] <toda-VHL> me... you live in australia?

[21:42] <Hope-VHL> Praise God ME

[21:42] <TJTODD> worthy don't you think we will probably go to home meetings?

[21:42] <me-VHL> 5yes

[21:42] <jazene-VHL> 5yes

[21:42] <toda-VHL> do you live in sidney?

[21:42] <HostBob> Cool, me :)

[21:42] <Hope-VHL> HOME MEETINGS?

[21:43] <me-VHL> 5lots of home meetings breaking out everywhere down under

[21:43] <HostBob> Welcome, Norrie! Glad to have you here!

[21:43] <jazene-VHL> 5because of the fear of being killed for our beliefs.

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[21:43] <Nega-VHL> not only that

[21:43] <toda-VHL> i agree

[21:43] <me-VHL> 5i live in Brisbane

[21:43] <TJTODD> instead of going to church we will have to go to homes for our meetings.

[21:43] <HostBob> Yes, eventually, the church in the US will be forced to go underground

[21:43] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> I think that in these last days that churches will be more and more compromising and seeing the hypocrisy inside of churchs will drive those true and sold out for the Lord Jesus Christ to assemble in homes

[21:43] <Hope-VHL> Boy are we spoiled, no idea of what persecution is!!!

[21:43] <Nega-VHL> churches that are growing in number also need reunions in peoples houses

[21:43] <HostBob> so we need ot be thinking abou that now

[21:43] <jazene-VHL> 5we I believe will be going underground just like the christians did in the roman days.

[21:43] <toda-VHL> oh...i will be in sidney this summer for a couple months

[21:43] <Lori-VHL> Or because we seek the truth, which we are more likely to find studying in one mind & accord in a "home study group"

[21:43] <HostBob> yes, Hope, but we will get our chance :)

[21:44] <TJTODD> right lori !!!

[21:44] <toda-VHL> i think there is less confusion in a "home group"

[21:44] <mytan-VHL> Not only that Jazene. But because it is difficult to find sound doctrine in the organized churches.

[21:44] <me-VHL> 5your summer or ours toda

[21:44] <toda-VHL> and the Spirit is freer to move

[21:44] <Lori-VHL> Right on Mytan!!!

[21:44] <jazene-VHL> 5true toda

[21:44] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Hey Bob I don't think that we will have that chance to go underground I think if martial law is declared it will be the judgement of the church in the US we will see in the future if that comes to pass

[21:44] <kittty-VHL> We will find out how dedicated we are then

[21:44] <toda-VHL> your winter me... june, july and into august

[21:45] <Hope-VHL> Yea, I'm not looking forward to that part, Bob......God will give us courage

[21:45] <HostBob> could be, worthy

[21:45] <HostBob> Yes, Hope

[21:45] <me-VHL> 5their was heaps of confusion in the synagog and he birthed THE CHURCH

[21:45] <mytan-VHL> The church is already under judgement, Worthy.

[21:45] <kittty-VHL> we will find out how dedicated we are then

[21:45] <toda-VHL> 2the church means "the body" is that correct

[21:45] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Hope don't you know it says that the Lord knows how to deliver the righteous : ) so relax whatever happens the Lord will be right beside you all the way through whatever happens : )

[21:45] <me-VHL> 5still quite warm compared to yours

[21:46] <HostBob> church means "assembly", the word, anyway

[21:46] <Nega-VHL> amen worthy

[21:46] <TJTODD> yes toda that's right. church is body.

[21:46] <jazene-VHL> 5I pray everyday that if it comes to that that God will give me the strenght and whatever else I need to continue to Praise Our Wonderful Lord Jesus Christ.

[21:46] <Hope-VHL> :-) Worthy, I'm trying to

[21:46] <kittty-VHL> Christ is the head

[21:46] <toda-VHL> 2amen jazene

[21:46] <mytan-VHL> Amen Jazene. He will.

[21:46] <me-VHL> 5ephes 4.11 The church is believers but assembled together with a leadership chosen by God with at least one of the 5 fold ministry

[21:46] <kittty-VHL> If He is the head then He will always be connected to the body (church)

[21:47] <HostBob> Yes, Jazene, we need to pray, as Jesus said, that we will have the strength to endure all these things and to stand before the Son of Man

[21:47] <jazene-VHL> 5Are'nt we considered assembly here and now??

[21:47] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> 1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

[21:47] <toda-VHL> 2yes...

[21:47] <HostBob> a virtual assembly? :)

[21:47] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> if we beleive that Judgment is coming ot the US then judgment begins with us the church before the US is judged

[21:47] <toda-VHL> 2i believe that there will be virtual assemblies

[21:47] <Nega-VHL> cool :-)

[21:47] <Lori-VHL> So, Kitty, Is the church not inside you?

[21:47] <Hope-VHL> You know if I didn't have any kids, maybe I wouldn't worry sooo much

[21:47] <toda-VHL> 2and i believe some have already begun

[21:47] <mytan-VHL> Cute Bob.

[21:47] <TJTODD> Bob and here we are !!!

[21:47] <kittty-VHL> yes, I am the church

[21:48] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> hey all I have a prayer meeting to lead : ) take care and God bless : )

[21:48] <Lori-VHL> I like that--Virtual Assembly:-)

[21:48] <kittty-VHL> the body of Christ

[21:48] <jazene-VHL> 5It will be the only way I believe we will be able to communicate with one another in the latter days.

[21:48] <HostBob> Thanks for stopping by, Worthy! Come again! :)

[21:48] <me-VHL> 5there are alot of people assembling together because they dont like to be adjusted or they have deep hurts and the church offends and so you get a hurting group with no mature leaders its as dangerous as some churches

[21:48] <Hope-VHL> God Bless you Worthy

[21:48] <Nega-VHL> God bles you Worthy

[21:48] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> you all want to email me or find out some more information you can at either http://www.worthynews.com or email me at editor@worthynews.com

[21:48] <jazene-VHL> 5Good nite Worthy bless you.

[21:48] <mytan-VHL> God said we are "lively stone built one upon another." His church. His bride.

[21:48] <kittty-VHL> You are so right me

[21:48] <toda-VHL> 2jazene... i think that we will have to be more aware of technology in those days

[21:48] <seth-VHL> peace and blessing to you all

[21:48] <me-VHL> 5bye wothy

[21:48] <Hope-VHL> thanks Worthy

[21:48] <Worthy_News_Editor-V> Take care and Bob great job hosting tonight get in touch with me about putting yoru site in my index : )

[21:48] <mytan-VHL> Goodnight Worthy.

[21:48] <TJTODD> bye worthy

[21:49] <Lori-VHL> bye worthy

[21:49] <HostBob> ok - I'll drop ya a line :)

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[21:50] <HostBob> Friends, he does have an excellent website - lots of good resources and articles there

[21:50] <Hope-VHL> What happened, suddenly we're without words

[21:50] <toda-VHL> 2i think it is coming to the point

[21:50] <TJTODD> Hey Bob I think I got it ! :)

[21:50] <toda-VHL> 2where

[21:50] <HostBob> What, this group speechless? :)

[21:50] <me-VHL> 5how long does this chat usually go for

[21:50] <toda-VHL> 2we will have to show love completely without words

[21:50] <HostBob> Usually about 3 hours or so

[21:50] <Hope-VHL> :-)

[21:50] <HostBob> what is it ya got, TJ? :)

[21:50] <jazene-VHL> 5I just want everyone to know this virtual assembley has been wonderful and very informative too night.

[21:50] <kittty-VHL> This is my first time

[21:51] <me-VHL> 5is it always like this

[21:51] <Nega-VHL> mine too

[21:51] <toda-VHL> 2my first time as well

[21:51] <kittty-VHL> I am enjoying the conversation

[21:51] <yaqquir-VHL> mine too

[21:51] <me-VHL> 5mine too

[21:51] <TJTODD> the smiley face Bob :)

[21:51] <toda-VHL> 2is anyone from israel

[21:51] <HostBob> We always have a lively discussion with lots of great participants!

[21:51] <kittty-VHL> No, but I sure do want to go

[21:51] <Hope-VHL> This is the first time I've ever been bumped.....it's a bummer when it happens, because you miss alot...

[21:51] <mytan-VHL> Going to say goodnight to all the saints. Have to get up @ 0500 tomorrow. Thank you all and thank you Bob for Hosting. God bless you all as you seek and do His will.

[21:51] <TJTODD> toda I wish ! :)

[21:51] <HostBob> it's 4 AM in Israel now - Stan occasionally joins us from there

[21:52] <toda-VHL> 2ah..

[21:52] <me-VHL> 5god bless mytan

[21:52] <Nega-VHL> Good night and God bless you mytan

[21:52] <Hope-VHL> Good night Mytan!

[21:52] <jazene-VHL> 5Good nite Mytan .

[21:52] <Lori-VHL> Bye Mytan

[21:52] <HostBob> Thanks, Mytan! Good to see you again!!!

[21:52] <kittty-VHL> Has anyone been to Israel

[21:52] <TJTODD> Bye Mytan

[21:52] <toda-VHL> 2i think that i may be called to live there

[21:52] <kittty-VHL> Since a small child

[21:52] <toda-VHL> 2i am still praying about it

[21:52] <Hope-VHL> I WISH, KITTY

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[21:52] <HostBob> Not yet, but soon :)

[21:52] <jazene-VHL> 5Also I must say Good nite also I have really enjoyed tonight see you all next Mon.

[21:52] <TJTODD> toda we will all live there one day.

[21:52] <me-VHL> 5bye jazene

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[21:52] <toda-VHL> 2be blessed jazene

[21:52] <Hope-VHL> God Bless you Jazene!

[21:52] <Lori-VHL> night jazene

[21:53] <toda-VHL> 2tj... tell me more

[21:53] <toda-VHL> 2in the new jerusalem?

[21:53] <kittty-VHL> What a blessed thought! living in Israel

[21:53] <Lori-VHL> Yes, TJ, tell more:-)

[21:53] <me-VHL> 5it wont look anything like it does now

[21:53] <kittty-VHL> Ruling as Kings and Priest with out Lord

[21:53] <TJTODD> when the Lord sits His kingdom here on earth we will live there with him.

[21:54] <toda-VHL> 2Praise the Lord!!!!

[21:54] <Lori-VHL> Amen, TJ!

[21:54] <kittty-VHL> Traveling at the speed of light

[21:54] <Hope-VHL> I CAN'T WAIT, TJ

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[21:54] <TJTODD> me either Hope.

[21:54] <kittty-VHL> I am so excited in view of world events

[21:54] <HostBob> Yes, and apparently we will be part of His government, assigned various responsibilities, correct?

[21:54] <kittty-VHL> It want be long

[21:54] <kittty-VHL> correct

[21:54] <TJTODD> right Bob.:)

[21:55] <Nega-VHL> never thought of that!

[21:55] <me-VHL> 5Yes I wonder what else we will have to learn

[21:55] <Norrie-VHL> Thanks for letting me listen in on your conversation, it is good to see the church the called out ones the Body of Christ the Anointed One .The vrrtual church is alive and well. thanks again must go now God Blessl

[21:55] <Nega-VHL> can you explain better?

[21:55] <kittty-VHL> The half has never yet been told

[21:55] <HostBob> yes, Jesus indicated that it would be based on our faithfulness now, right?

[21:55] <kittty-VHL> yes

[21:55] <toda-VHL> 2what do you mean bob?

[21:55] <Hope-VHL> Unfortunately I need to go, God bless you all! See you next week, Bob! :-)

[21:55] <toda-VHL> 2based on our faithfulness now?

[21:56] <me-VHL> 5yes we will still be on different levels right?

[21:56] <HostBob> yes, hold on...

[21:56] <toda-VHL> 2to the little things?

[21:56] <kittty-VHL> be thou faithful until death and you will receive a crown of life

[21:56] <me-VHL> 5bye hope

[21:56] <HostBob> "'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'

[21:56] <HostBob> (from Luke 19)

[21:56] <toda-VHL> 2you are right kitty

[21:56] <Lori-VHL> bye Hope

[21:56] <TJTODD> bye hope

[21:56] <Nega-VHL> God bless you who r leaving

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[21:56] <HostBob> Norrie - thanks for joining us!

[21:57] <me-VHL> 5so some will have a few cities to govern and some other things to do?

[21:57] <kittty-VHL> After we are caught up with the Lord we will come back and rein with Him on earth for 1000 years

[21:57] <HostBob> Yes, that's my understanding

[21:57] <me-VHL> 5is this based on our stewardship here and now do you believe

[21:57] <kittty-VHL> yes

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[21:57] <kittty-VHL> faithfulness is so much a part of our rewards

[21:58] <HostBob> that those who are "the least" now and have humbled themselves to do the menial, unnoticed, unrewarded tasks will be rewarded accordingly

[21:58] <me-VHL> 5so its important to work outt our salvaaaaation now for its really all about the eternal purpose

[21:58] <HostBob> and those who tried to achieve importance and recognition now will be rewarded little

[21:58] <kittty-VHL> oh yes

[21:58] <Nega-VHL> is it only about our salvation and faith or also about our works for the Kingdom?

[21:59] <toda-VHL> 2i am reminded that we need to serve "the least of these my brethern"

[21:59] <me-VHL> 5but not just all about prise and humility its about stewardship what you do with what he gives you

[21:59] <HostBob> we can add nothing to our salvation by our works...

[21:59] <kittty-VHL> faith without works is dead

[21:59] <Nega-VHL> I know that

[21:59] <HostBob> but the faithfulness and humility that we practice now will be rewarded

[21:59] <kittty-VHL> but faith will produce works

[21:59] <me-VHL> 5no bob but we are instructed to work it out by abiding in Him and his wod

[21:59] <HostBob> yes

[21:59] <Nega-VHL> but you'e responsible for the blood of the one...

[21:59] <toda-VHL> 2our love should spur us into a fervent desire to serve

[21:59] <HostBob> yes, me :)

[21:59] <HostBob> amen :)

[22:00] <HostBob> "the love of Christ compels us"

[22:00] <kittty-VHL> our works will not be work if they are governed by our faith and love of Jesus

[22:00] <toda-VHL> 2true... Bob

[22:00] <me-VHL> 5I see so many in the church locked into today and dont realise its about tomorrow

[22:00] <toda-VHL> 2without love it is all nothing

[22:00] <HostBob> yes, me. exactly - look at the great "faith" chapter....

[22:01] <kittty-VHL> losing our focas will cause us to be like the church of the Laodiceans

[22:01] <me-VHL> 5they dont want to work they want to live on the doll they dont want to love that grumpy old neighbour etc

[22:01] <TJTODD> right me,right toda!

[22:01] <HostBob> all of the examples are not about the "here and now"... but they were looking ahead to the promise

[22:01] <HostBob> of the "better city"

[22:01] <HostBob> considering themselves to be strangers and pilgrims in a corrupt generation

[22:01] <me-VHL> 5dont you think kitty mostly we are ;like the church of laodicea

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[22:02] <kittty-VHL> yes

[22:02] <kittty-VHL> miserable, blind, naked, luke warm, I would say this is the description of many

[22:02] <toda-VHL> 2well, i must leave now as well...

[22:02] <HostBob> that's the problem with the false gospel of so many churches that supposedly preach Jesus...

[22:02] <toda-VHL> 2but I shall not say goodbye

[22:03] <HostBob> it's all about what we can get NOW

[22:03] <kittty-VHL> yes

[22:03] <HostBob> See ya toda!!!

[22:03] <toda-VHL> 2I shall see you all again

[22:03] <TJTODD> bye toda !

[22:03] <toda-VHL> 2in the Promised Land

[22:03] <me-VHL> 5BYE TODA

[22:03] <Lori-VHL> see ya tada

[22:03] <kittty-VHL> having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof

[22:03] <HostBob> Come back next Monday! Also, Stan leads a chat on Wednesday

[22:03] <kittty-VHL> by

[22:03] <toda-VHL> 2I pray blessings upon each of you.

[22:03] <me-VHL> 5is stan from Israel

[22:03] <toda-VHL> 2goodnight

[22:03] <HostBob> Yes, Stan lives in Jerusalem

[22:04] <HostBob> he is the VHL editor

[22:04] <me-VHL> 5cool

[22:04] <HostBob> thanks, Toda!!!

[22:04] <Lori-VHL> And we get into some good discussions about Israel on Wed eve, too

[22:04] <HostBob> oh yes, it's much like this :)

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[22:04] <me-VHL> 5i look forward to that your all a cool bunch of people

[22:04] <HostBob> Hey grizz! Good to see ya!

[22:05] <yaqquir-VHL> do they have a chat during the day as i'm a night-shift worker? Bob

[22:05] <Lori-VHL> One big happy family:-)

[22:05] <grizzman-VHL> shalom my friends

[22:05] <HostBob> Yaq, that chat rooms are always open...

[22:05] <Lori-VHL> Hi griss!

[22:05] <me-VHL> 5hey Grizz

[22:05] <HostBob> but usually sparsely visited during the day

[22:05] <Lori-VHL> Oops, that's grizz!

[22:05] <TJTODD> shalom grizz

[22:05] <grizzman-VHL> what is topic

[22:05] <me-VHL> 5you said roomSSSS is their more than this one

[22:05] <yaqquir-VHL> ok thanks bob

[22:06] <HostBob> the "chit-chat" room is always open

[22:06] <TJTODD> grizz are you Jewish ?

[22:06] <HostBob> and if you visit there in the morning US time Stan is often there

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[22:06] <me-VHL> 5how do I get to that

[22:07] <yaqquir-VHL> great1

[22:07] <grizzman-VHL> thats ok lori call me anything you just dont let me called late for supper

[22:07] <HostBob> the same way you got here

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[22:07] <Lori-VHL> Grizz, we have been chatting about church, assembly, & home study

[22:07] <grizzman-VHL> no gentile

[22:07] <me-VHL> 5ok thanks

[22:07] <HostBob> A reminder- Stan posts the transcripts the following day of each chat session

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[22:08] <yaqquir-VHL> thanks i'm new to this

[22:08] <HostBob> so that your wise comments will be recorded for posterity :)

[22:08] <Nega-VHL> 33:/

[22:08] <me-VHL> 5lol

[22:08] <Nega-VHL> 3isn' it edited?

[22:09] <HostBob> not usually, Nega

[22:09] <TJTODD> what is that Nega?

[22:09] <Nega-VHL> 3lol

[22:09] <Nega-VHL> 3what TJ?

[22:09] <kittty-VHL> Oh, well, if we are christians what does it matter, We should be speaking truth. Right!

[22:09] <HostBob> unless I say something really really stupid and ask him to take it out! LOL

[22:09] <TJTODD> :/ that Nega

[22:09] <me-VHL> 5just going to make a coffee back in a tick

[22:09] <Nega-VHL> 3its not fair Bob! Why cant we ask too?

[22:09] <kittty-VHL> Or, spell something wrong

[22:09] <HostBob> LOL

[22:10] <HostBob> spelling doesn't count here - no points taken off for that :)

[22:10] <kittty-VHL> good

[22:10] <Nega-VHL> 3oh, it' s I dont know how to say in English!

[22:10] <Nega-VHL> 3can anyone help me?

[22:10] <HostBob> where are you from Nega?

[22:10] <Nega-VHL> 3Brazil

[22:11] <grizzman-VHL> its proof to the world that we are human when we make a mistake

[22:11] <HostBob> so Portugese is your native language?

[22:11] <Nega-VHL> 3yep. and you'e the first person to get it right! congratulations!!!

[22:11] <HostBob> Well, you seem to be doing very well in English :)

[22:11] <kittty-VHL> Isn't it wonderful how that God sheds His great love all over the world

[22:11] <Nega-VHL> 3thanx Bob, but I loose some words...

[22:12] <TJTODD> how do you say Jesus in Portugese, Nega

[22:12] <Nega-VHL> 3yes, kitty :)

[22:12] <Nega-VHL> 3Jesus TJ

[22:12] <HostBob> Yes, indeed, Kitty!!!

[22:12] <Nega-VHL> 3but with open e

[22:12] <yaqquir-VHL> don't feel bad nega i lose alot myself all the time

[22:12] <Nega-VHL> 3like jehsus

[22:13] <Nega-VHL> 3where r u from yaq?

[22:13] <TJTODD> i thought it was Je-suz

[22:13] <HostBob> Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will lift up My hand and beckon to the nations, And set up My standard to the peoples;

[22:13] <yaqquir-VHL> america

[22:13] <HostBob> Isaiah 49:22

[22:13] <Nega-VHL> 3well, it' like Spanish but we pronounce the j like in English

[22:13] <kittty-VHL> Great is our God

[22:13] <HostBob> Yes, He is Great!

[22:14] <Nega-VHL> 3that comforts me a lot yaq, lol

[22:14] <HostBob> The LORD will lay bare his holy arm in the sight of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God. Isa 52:10

[22:14] <yaqquir-VHL> is jesus spoken in your language haysus nega/

[22:15] <kittty-VHL> That is exactly what is happening now all over the world

[22:15] <Nega-VHL> 3nope yaq. the j sounds like j

[22:15] <HostBob> How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news, who proclaim peace, who bring good tidings, who proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, "Your God reigns!"

[22:15] <HostBob> Listen! Your watchmen lift up their voices; together they shout for joy. When the LORD returns to Zion, they will see it with their own eyes.

[22:15] <HostBob> Burst into songs of joy together, you ruins of Jerusalem, for the LORD has comforted his people, he has redeemed Jerusalem.

[22:15] <kittty-VHL> Have you seen the crowds in India in the crusades

[22:16] <kittty-VHL> Bob sounds like you might be about to preach

[22:16] <Nega-VHL> 3God is doing a great work in Africa... Reports from there are amazing

[22:16] <yaqquir-VHL> ok shows my lack of of knowledge-grin

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[22:16] <HostBob> Isaiah is the preacher - I just cut and paste :)

[22:16] <Nega-VHL> 3well yaq, phonetics is not taught at any school, I think, hehe

[22:16] <kittty-VHL> LOL

[22:17] <kittty-VHL> He is a good one

[22:17] <Nega-VHL> 3hehehe

[22:17] <HostBob> yup :)

[22:17] <Nega-VHL> 32I could almost hear Bob' voice...

[22:17] <HostBob> :)

[22:18] <Nega-VHL> 2that he wont ask to be delete :P

[22:18] <HostBob> yeah :)

[22:18] <yaqquir-VHL> good thing we all speak the same language the Word of God-grin

[22:18] <HostBob> that's right!!!

[22:18] <grizzman-VHL> favorite verse is in Jermiah 33;3 ask me and iI will tell you some wonderful that are going to happen here

[22:19] <Lori-VHL> What's that, grizz?

[22:19] <Nega-VHL> 2once Brother Andrew talked trhough Bible verses...

[22:19] <HostBob> The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.

[22:19] <HostBob> (zech 14:9)

[22:19] <HostBob> Yeah, Griz!

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[22:19] <HostBob> Here's another great promise from Jeremiah 33:

[22:20] <HostBob> "'The days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will fulfill the gracious promise I made to the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.

[22:20] <HostBob> "'In those days and at that time I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David's line; he will do what is just and right in the land.

[22:20] <HostBob> In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.'

[22:20] <grizzman-VHL> wonderful things are a happen in the world

[22:20] <HostBob> Yes, Grizz :)

[22:20] <Nega-VHL> 2thats true

[22:20] <me-VHL> 5can we discuss a tricky one (like do you think you need to have tonques to be baptised in the Holy Spirit)

[22:21] <HostBob> oh my me oh my!

[22:21] <HostBob> :)

[22:21] <Nega-VHL> 2gee

[22:21] <me-VHL> 5no one game

[22:21] <kittty-VHL> I do

[22:21] <TJTODD> yes me,i believe you will.

[22:21] <Nega-VHL> 2there was a series of conference at my church about it

[22:21] <yaqquir-VHL> go for it

[22:21] <HostBob> well, me, here's what I have to say about it.... some think yes, some think no - the important thing is this...

[22:22] <HostBob> don't look down on those who see it differently

[22:22] <me-VHL> 5yes nega

[22:22] <grizzman-VHL> no tounges is just one of the many gifts from the HOLY SPIRT we all have differnt gifts

[22:22] <kittty-VHL> Mark 16:17

[22:22] <Nega-VHL> 2what we all gotta have are the fruits

[22:22] <TJTODD> are you filled with the Spirit ? me

[22:22] <me-VHL> 5never Bob just want to know how you all see it

[22:22] <Nega-VHL> 2gifts are gifts and the gift of speaking tongues is not at the top of the list

[22:23] <kittty-VHL> And these signs shall follow them that believe; in my name they sahll cast out d evils; they shall speak with new tongues;

[22:23] <yaqquir-VHL> thought tongues was prayer language

[22:23] <Nega-VHL> 2besides, the most important thing is to love one another, right?

[22:23] <HostBob> AMEN nega!!!

[22:23] <yaqquir-VHL> amen

[22:23] <TJTODD> right yaq

[22:23] <Lori-VHL> I agree with grizz. Tongues is one of the gifts. There are many gifts & are used as the Lord sees the need. Sometimes they ara abused & we need to be aware & try those spirits.

[22:23] <me-VHL> 5yes and I speak in tonques but see many who prophecy but dont have a tonque prayer language sssso its interesting

[22:23] <HostBob> Is it any coincidence that the famous "love chapters" is right smack in between the 2 main chapters that speak of tongues?

[22:24] <yaqquir-VHL> good popint

[22:24] <yaqquir-VHL> sorry point

[22:24] <Nega-VHL> 2never realized that Bob

[22:24] <HostBob> maybe because God's Spirit knew this would be a dividing subject, and he wanted to say - DONT LET IT BE

[22:24] <Lori-VHL> Right on, Bob:-)

[22:25] <kittty-VHL> Acts 2

[22:25] <TJTODD> the gift is the Spirit of the Living God,when He fills you He speaks through you in His Language.

[22:25] <HostBob> NOW I AM PREACHING! LOL

[22:25] <kittty-VHL> Peter said this is for you and your children and to as many as the Lord our God shall call

[22:25] <TJTODD> the gifts of the Spirit come later.

[22:25] <Nega-VHL> 2:)

[22:25] <me-VHL> 5yes I agree we should never allow doctrine to dividebut still good to discuss I like Kittys response he said those who believe so its definetly for any who believe

[22:26] <Lori-VHL> Preach it, Brother Bob!

[22:26] <Nega-VHL> 2I believe that one can speak in tingues, but what I think that some churches want everyone to do so

[22:26] <Nega-VHL> 2and as a gift it' not to everybody

[22:26] <kittty-VHL> I agree

[22:26] <Lori-VHL> I agree, nega

[22:27] <grizzman-VHL> you are right Nega

[22:27] <Nega-VHL> 2the fruits of the Spirit we are all supposed to produce

[22:27] <HostBob> yes, Nega

[22:27] <yaqquir-VHL> the gifts are for all

[22:27] <kittty-VHL> I don't think the speaking in tongues should be abused by anyone

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[22:27] <TJTODD> don't agree Nega

[22:27] <Nega-VHL> 2some are gifted with tnogue, others with prophecy, others with teaching

[22:27] <yaqquir-VHL> i agree kitty

[22:27] <HostBob> there are no rewards in heaven for the "gifts" - only for how we faithfully served, how we lived lives of love and humility

[22:27] <kittty-VHL> that is what happened to the church in Corinth

[22:28] <TJTODD> well, i agree about the fruits of the Spirit but not the tongues.

[22:28] <Lori-VHL> There you go, Bob:-)

[22:28] <HostBob> :) Lori

[22:28] <me-VHL> 5yes there was alot of confusion in corinth because of the abuse of the gifts

[22:28] <kittty-VHL> But Jesus said, ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you

[22:29] <me-VHL> 5this is my point kitty the church seems to lack power and LOVE becausse they arnt baptised in the spirit

[22:29] <HostBob> Yes, no one denies that being filled with the Holy Spirit is the source of our power - we all agree on that

[22:29] <kittty-VHL> He said He would send us another comforter and He would not only be with us but in us

[22:30] <Lori-VHL> Why do people think to receive the Holy Ghost one must speak in tongues? I guess I should add, I was raised in the Pentecostal churches.

[22:30] <TJTODD> being filled with the Spirit, is God in you !

[22:30] <Nega-VHL> 2I agree on that too, but isn' t the fruits the "proof" that you are filled with the Holy Spirit?

[22:30] <kittty-VHL> yes

[22:30] <HostBob> Yes, but you cannot presume to say that your fellow brother or sister is not "filled with the Spirit" just because they are not demonstrating a gift in the way you expect them to

[22:30] <kittty-VHL> right

[22:30] <HostBob> yes, Nega, a thousand AMENS! :)

[22:31] <grizzman-VHL> my gift is working with drunks

[22:31] <Lori-VHL> Yes, Bob!

[22:31] <kittty-VHL> Many seek the gift and not the Giver

[22:31] <TJTODD> lori if you were raised in the pentecostal then shouldn't you know that answer? :)

[22:31] <me-VHL> 5so if one moves in any of the other gifts do we agree hes baptised

[22:31] <Nega-VHL> 2that's what the bible say that you'l know them by their fruits...

[22:31] <yaqquir-VHL> if a tree bears good fruit who are we to criticize the type of fruit

[22:31] <TJTODD> the gift is the Giver.

[22:31] <kittty-VHL> The Bible teaches us to try the spirit

[22:32] <Nega-VHL> 2and the problem with gifts causes pains in many people who cant speak tongues, and then they think they're not spiritual enough...

[22:32] <TJTODD> lori,what denomination of Pentecostal were you raised in?

[22:32] <Lori-VHL> Yes, I know the answer according to church doctrine. I do not find it that way according to the Bible. Tongues in the Bible were used to clarify & witness to the Lord.

[22:32] <yaqquir-VHL> primary fruit is love-agape

[22:33] <Birdie-VHL> Seems like you are all saying the same thing only in a different way.

[22:33] <kittty-VHL> anyone that will seek shall find...God is no respector of persons...ask He said and ye shall receive

[22:33] <HostBob> Amen, Yac :)

[22:33] <me-VHL> 5yes birdie

[22:33] <HostBob> Seems that way, Birdie :)

[22:33] <grizzman-VHL> lori xplain try the spirt

[22:33] <Nega-VHL> 2and the most difficult one yac...

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[22:33] <kittty-VHL> using discernment

[22:34] <kittty-VHL> our spirit will bare witness to the Truth

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[22:34] <HostBob> Now if we can only get everyone who fights about the "gifts" to read this transcript and agree also :) Voila! No more dissension because of the "gifts"! :)

[22:34] <Lori-VHL> Right on Nega. I have seen many people give up because they couldn't speak in tongues just when the preacher thought they should. And then the preacher saying they were not "right with the Lord" or they could.

[22:34] <Nega-VHL> 2LOL

[22:34] <Nega-VHL> 2And AMMEN!

[22:34] <Nega-VHL> 2ops

[22:34] <Nega-VHL> 2AMEN

[22:34] <HostBob> Hey, I can dream huh? :)

[22:34] <yaqquir-VHL> we should let God be the vineman and cause us to bear the fruit as he works in us

[22:34] <kittty-VHL> Sounds like a misinformed preacher to me

[22:35] <me-VHL> 5basically we all believe fruit is more important? However with out the gifts the church will be going nowhere but we can have any gift not just speaking in tonqus so prophecy word of knowlege discenment etc

[22:35] <Nega-VHL> 2that happens a lot Lori

[22:35] <TJTODD> but,lori if you have the baptism in the Holy Ghost, it is God coming in and filling your spirit with His, and He will speak in His language through your mouth. it is our prayer language to God Himself.

[22:35] <kittty-VHL> What a wonderful experience

[22:36] <Lori-VHL> Grizz, study out tongues in the Bible. You will find there are very diffinent guidelines for speaking in tongues & they are used as a witness so the disbeleiving witll beleive. Not as a means of confusion.

[22:36] <Nega-VHL> 2well, when you pry a lot you end up talking with God trhough the Spirit

[22:36] <HostBob> I believe that I am baptized with Holy Spirit, but I do not have the gift of tongues at this point

[22:36] <kittty-VHL> For when we don't know how to pray the Spirit Himself maketh intercession for us with groanings that cannot be uttered.

[22:36] <me-VHL> 5do you move in any toher gift bob

[22:36] <Nega-VHL> 2thanx Kitty

[22:36] <HostBob> Yes, me

[22:37] <Nega-VHL> 2I cant say verses in English...

[22:37] <me-VHL> 5then you couldnt do that without the Holy Spirit could you?

[22:37] <HostBob> no, I could not

[22:37] <Lori-VHL> My prayers are to God himself as they are. He knows all the languages.

[22:37] <TJTODD> you guys have it wrong the prayer language is not a gift the Holy Ghost is the gift and He will speak through you.

[22:38] <yaqquir-VHL> shouldn't get tongues fruit of the spirit confused with the tongues of prophesy

[22:38] <kittty-VHL> I have a good idea why not ask God if the speaking in tongues is for you to lay this upon your heart to seek for it

[22:38] <me-VHL> 5tj the Holy spirit is the gift AND tonques is a gift

[22:38] <TJTODD> i'm not saying there isn't a gift of tongues, there is but it is another gift .

[22:38] <kittty-VHL> tongues is the evidence

[22:39] <me-VHL> 5thats right tonques is the evidence and so is prophecying

[22:39] <yaqquir-VHL> love-agape is the evidence

[22:39] <HostBob> OK - now that we have that one solved :).... let's move on to other topics regarding Bible prophecy, shall we? :)

[22:39] <kittty-VHL> yet I feel that many have the Spirit of God operating in them as did the OT prophets

[22:39] <TJTODD> kitty, that is exactly what i did.

[22:39] <Nega-VHL> 2I think that 1 Cor 12 is very clear...

[22:39] <me-VHL> 5not really even the mafia love their own families

[22:39] <grizzman-VHL> the way i understand is that the HOLY SPIRT takes our weak prayers and itercides with GOD and offers up a beautful prayer in GODS langue for us

[22:39] <Lori-VHL> I will say I have spoke in tongues, but it was between me & God, not sounding off for the whole church to hear, or for pride, etc. I do not mean to sound harsh. I have just seen this gift abused & people drove away because they do not understand.

[22:40] <kittty-VHL> I was just 13 when that happened to me today I am 57 and it is still happening

[22:40] <Nega-VHL> 2Praise the Lord!

[22:40] <HostBob> If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

[22:40] <HostBob> If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

[22:41] <me-VHL> 5thanks for letting me ask the question just getting used to this chat session of whats ok and what isnt dont mean to start a fued my apologise

[22:41] <kittty-VHL> No one speaking in the Spirit is doing it in pride...they may be speaking in tongues but not as the Spirit gives the utterence

[22:41] <HostBob> If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

[22:41] <kittty-VHL> For He is not the author of confusion

[22:41] <Lori-VHL> Preach it Brother Bob:-):-)

[22:41] <TJTODD> yes lori you're right but the baptism of the Holy Ghost is real. the people may have abused the gift.

[22:41] <HostBob> no, me, no feud :) this was a good discussion :)

[22:41] <kittty-VHL> NO one is upset

[22:41] <yaqquir-VHL> i'm not

[22:41] <Lori-VHL> If the gift was abused, how was it real?

[22:41] <kittty-VHL> we understand that God is the God of all who call upon Him

[22:42] <HostBob> once again, I say, do not look down on those who understand it differently

[22:42] <me-VHL> 5ok lets ask another question bob why dont you give us one

[22:42] <HostBob> ok - from today's Jerusalem Post:

[22:42] <HostBob> In back-channel talks, Israel has offered the Palestinians more than 90 percent of the West Bank, if they agree to delay the issue of Jerusalem for a few years, a Palestinian official said yesterday. Palestinian Planning Minister Nabil Shaath rejected the suggestion

[22:42] <kittty-VHL> We do not look down, we look up to the author and finisher of our faith

[22:43] <TJTODD> the Gift of the Holy Ghost is real the people used the gifts in ignorance. lori

[22:43] <kittty-VHL> If only Israel could see

[22:43] <Nega-VHL> 2I already have much to "explain" to God to pay attention n others...

[22:43] <kittty-VHL> me too, nega

[22:43] <me-VHL> 5why would they reject so large a portion

[22:43] <HostBob> Interesting, isn't it, that the "issue of Jerusalem" has been deferred for years in the "peace negotations"

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[22:44] <yaqquir-VHL> question- in light of the attack on the defination of family does it bring to mind as it was in the days of noah

[22:44] <HostBob> good question, me! 90% - you would think they would be more than happy with that

[22:44] <HostBob> it's totally ludicrous for Israel to even offer that much in the first place!

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[22:44] <me-VHL> 5my thoughts exactlybob

[22:44] <kittty-VHL> My heart breaks for their blindness

[22:44] <HostBob> Excellent question, Yaq! Anyone care to tackle his question?

[22:44] <Nega-VHL> 2we never know whats behind...

[22:45] <HostBob> Yes, Kitty

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[22:45] <kittty-VHL> I think perhaps behind the scenes the Clinton administration has much to do with it

[22:45] <Nega-VHL> 2I think that family, instituiton created by God, is being destroyed by men

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[22:46] <me-VHL> 5I think our world is more perverted than noahs thank God for the rainbow

[22:46] <TJTODD> tj

[22:46] <kittty-VHL> Barak is in office today because of Clinton

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[22:46] <Nega-VHL> 2totally agree me

[22:46] <Nega-VHL> 2Kitty, I think that you cant blame Clinton for everything

[22:47] <Lori-VHL> Our world seems more like S & G to me. Anyone see in the news where rabbis were okaying homosexuality?

[22:47] <Nega-VHL> 2usually international relations stuff is not only a product of one govt

[22:47] <HostBob> Can you imagine the grief that God feels, as He did in Noahs day, as He examines the world?

[22:47] <HostBob> yes, Lori

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[22:47] <Nega-VHL> 2thats true Lori. And if you dont agree with GLS, you're bad and so on

[22:47] <HostBob> From Genesis 6: The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

[22:48] <HostBob> The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.

[22:48] <HostBob> So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth--men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air--for I am grieved that I have made them."

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[22:48] <Mosey-VHL> 5In Romans 1 the picture isn't much better.

[22:48] <Nega-VHL> 2that makes me more amazed with God's Grace trhough Jesus...

[22:48] <yaqquir-VHL> am courious clinton wants to chane family values and also is pressuring israel for a treaty

[22:49] <HostBob> Now listen to Zephaniah...

[22:49] <HostBob> "I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth," declares the LORD.

[22:49] <HostBob> will sweep away both men and animals; I will sweep away the birds of the air and the fish of the sea. The wicked will have only heaps of rubble when I cut off man from the face of the earth," declares the LORD.

[22:49] <Lori-VHL> Doesn't the Bible say that in the last days, it will be as S & G? I can't remember whre I read it.

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[22:49] <kittty-VHL> He will look good in the History books if peace is accomplished in the Middle East

[22:49] <me-VHL> 5the church has a mandate to RISE and be a demonstration of his love forgiveness and grace and reveal him so we HAVE GOT TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE OUT THERE

[22:49] <yaqquir-VHL> two things ordained by God

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[22:50] <HostBob> Welcome, Pie!

[22:50] <pie-VHL> hi hostbob

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[22:50] <Mosey-VHL> 5Where's that in Zephaniah?3

[22:50] <HostBob> Chapter 1, verses 2&3

[22:50] <Mosey-VHL> 3Tx

[22:51] <Nega-VHL> 2he should read more the Bible Kitty

[22:51] <HostBob> Yes, remember what Paul calls "the kindness and severity of God"

[22:51] <Nega-VHL> 2as far as I know, the more humans look for peace, the least they will have of it...

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[22:52] <me-VHL> 5i DONT UNDERSTAND YOU NEGA

[22:52] <kittty-VHL> Only the righteous can know peace

[22:52] <HostBob> to those who call on His name for mercy, in repentance, kindness greater than we could ever imagine

[22:52] <kittty-VHL> there is no peace saith my God to the wicked

[22:52] <HostBob> Yes, Nega, because they are looking in the wrong place, right?

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[22:53] <Nega-VHL> 2Me, if I am not mistaken, somewhere in Rev, talks about it

[22:53] <me-VHL> 5Ok see where your coming from

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[22:53] <hands-VHL> 13Nega, your talking about the non-believeing world right?

[22:53] <Nega-VHL> 2that mankind will look for peace between the peoples but more and more wars will come by

[22:53] <kittty-VHL> In the world you shall have tribulation....but be of good courage for I have overcome the world...Jesus

[22:54] <Nega-VHL> 2the world in general hands

[22:54] <Nega-VHL> 2Havent Jesus compared the end of days like a woman in labor?

[22:54] <HostBob> from Jeremiah 6: "From the least to the greatest, all are greedy for gain; prophets and priests alike, all practice deceit.

[22:54] <HostBob> They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. 'Peace, peace,' they say, when there is no peace.

[22:54] <me-VHL> 5You know the thing that stands out to me like a shout from heaven is WE ARE THE ANSWER and what are we doing fighting with our spouses gossiping etc

[22:54] <Nega-VHL> 2and if you look back, there havent had so many wars like lately..

[22:55] <yaqquir-VHL> the quiet before the storm

[22:55] <hands-VHL> 13it's those who are lost who are, do, and will look for peace and not find it except they turn to Our Lord

[22:55] <kittty-VHL> 7that is because we are getting close to the end of time

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[22:55] <HostBob> Welcome, Canada!

[22:55] <Canada-VHL> thanks

[22:56] <Nega-VHL> 2yeah, thats why I dont care about peace treaties and so on. I think it' better preach the Gospe for those treaties are useless, in a way

[22:56] <HostBob> Tonight we have had Brazil, Panama, and now Canada represented here!

[22:56] <Nega-VHL> 2whos from Panama?

[22:56] <Canada-VHL> cool, I am in Toronto

[22:56] <me-VHL> 5Dont you guys forget australia

[22:56] <HostBob> I don't think the person from Panama is in the room now

[22:57] <Nega-VHL> 2you forgot me King Bob..,

[22:57] <HostBob> oh yeah, Australia!!! sorry!!!

[22:57] <HostBob> LOL

[22:57] <Canada-VHL> this is my first time here

[22:57] <Nega-VHL> 2mine too Canada

[22:57] <kittty-VHL> 7me too

[22:57] <Canada-VHL> : )

[22:57] <yaqquir-VHL> me too

[22:57] <Gloria-VHL> me too

[22:57] <me-VHL> 5me too

[22:58] <Nega-VHL> 2wow, lots of freshmen

[22:58] <me-VHL> 5i quess well all be back

[22:58] <Nega-VHL> 2lets celebrate!

[22:58] <Nega-VHL> 2I hope so :)

[22:58] <Canada-VHL> I am looking for a good christian chat site that isn't full of unbelievers and people who curse God and or act crazy

[22:58] <kittty-VHL> 7Praise the Lord

[22:58] <Lori-VHL> WEll, I need to go all. It has been GREAT! Hope to see you all Wed eve with Stan:-)

[22:58] <me-VHL> 5Amen canada

[22:58] <Nega-VHL> 2I think youve found it Can

[22:59] <me-VHL> 5they get booted out here

[22:59] <HostBob> Nega, we talk about current events in Israel and the middle east because we believe that understanding these things is the key to seeing what the Lord is doing today in accomplushing His plan

[22:59] <Nega-VHL> 2bye Lori! God bless u!

[22:59] <TJTODD> bye be lori have a goodnight!

[22:59] <HostBob> Lori, great to have you here!!!

[22:59] <HostBob> Shalom, Lori!

[22:59] <me-VHL> 5bye lori

[22:59] <hands-VHL> 13goodnight Lori

[22:59] <TJTODD> bye bye lori !

[22:59] <kittty-VHL> 7bye Lori

[22:59] <pie-VHL> 6bless nite lori

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[22:59] <Nega-VHL> 2I know King Bob :)

[22:59] <Canada-VHL> Does anybody know about the christian news site at worthynews.com. ? I think its pretty cool. It is how I found this site.

[22:59] <HostBob> LOL

[23:00] <Nega-VHL> 2During the Gulf war I was expecting a bomb to be dropped in the Mosque

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[23:00] <Nega-VHL> 2thats the main sign I look for...

[23:00] <HostBob> yes, Canada - mr worthy himself was here earlier :)

[23:00] <kittty-VHL> 7me too

[23:00] <Nega-VHL> 2worthy himself was here Canada

[23:00] <Canada-VHL> the guy who runs worthnews.com you mean Bob ?

[23:00] <HostBob> beat ya, King Nega :)

[23:00] <HostBob> yes, Canada :)

[23:01] <Canada-VHL> cool, really : )

[23:01] <me-VHL> 5you guys a alot of fun

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[23:01] <Nega-VHL> 2well, that should be queen, but I dont have a crown here. As far as I know, u r the onlu one :P

[23:01] <HostBob> LOL

[23:01] <Nega-VHL> 2or is it a cake with candles?

[23:02] <Nega-VHL> 2It looks more like a crown

[23:02] <HostBob> Could be a cake :)

[23:02] <Nega-VHL> 2besides, you are an ABSOLUTIST king here, hehe

[23:02] <kittty-VHL> 7I'm getting hungry

[23:02] <me-VHL> 5are you surrounded by females Bob we should discuss females in ministry

[23:02] <kittty-VHL> 7great

[23:02] <me-VHL> 5or rather not tonight

[23:02] <HostBob> oh no, me, let's not touch that one:)

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[23:02] <Canada-VHL> I am going to go for now everybody. Nice to meet everyone. Peace and bye everyone : )

[23:02] <kittty-VHL> 7LOL

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[23:02] <Nega-VHL> 2with my "chatting" experience, hosts are very arbritary :P

[23:03] <HostBob> Nice to meet you, Canada :)

[23:03] <hands-VHL> 13why not, Bob?

[23:03] <me-VHL> 5bye can short visit

[23:03] <Nega-VHL> 2I think thats a great issue

[23:03] <me-VHL> 5looks like your outnubered bob

[23:03] <HostBob> we've already handled one "hot topic" tonight - you all want the host to go gray? :)

[23:03] <eaglewings-VHL> hi Bob, nice to see you're still here

[23:03] <eaglewings-VHL> hi evbd

[23:03] <HostBob> Hi eagles! :)

[23:04] <Canada-VHL> women should not teach or have authority over the man but to be in silence.

[23:04] <kittty-VHL> 7but we all ended being friends

[23:04] <eaglewings-VHL> :) hi, long time

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[23:04] <me-VHL> 5hi eagles are you female

[23:04] <Nega-VHL> 2go gray? King Bob

[23:04] <hands-VHL> 13read the whole of the "issue" Can.

[23:04] <eaglewings-VHL> what's going on here?

[23:04] <HostBob> Oh, look at that! Canada fires a shot and leaves me to pick up the pieces! LOL

[23:04] <Nega-VHL> 2coward

[23:04] <eaglewings-VHL> whoa..

[23:05] <HostBob> We've discussed a wide range of topics, eagle!

[23:05] <me-VHL> 5do you not think he was talking to a problem in Timothys church

[23:05] <eaglewings-VHL> yeah, no kidding ;)

[23:05] <eaglewings-VHL> ;)

[23:05] <HostBob> :)

[23:05] <Nega-VHL> 2now we women want to discuss about women in the church!

[23:05] <kittty-VHL> 7Pauls said when were in Christ there was neither male nor female.....but we are all one

[23:05] <HostBob> <---- quickly looking for a diversionary topic

[23:05] <Nega-VHL> 2well, if King Bob let us do so...

[23:05] <me-VHL> 5yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[23:05] <hands-VHL> 13amen, Kitty

[23:06] <HostBob> ok, go for it :)

[23:06] <eaglewings-VHL> oops, sorry, meant to get #controversy, next door

[23:06] <yaqquir-VHL> as i'm a male think i better tread softly

[23:06] <Nega-VHL> 2thanx majesty

[23:06] <Kathy-VHL> what does that have to do with prophecy

[23:06] <kittty-VHL> 7Yes your honor

[23:06] <HostBob> Yeah, Kathy, tell em :)

[23:06] <hands-VHL> 13Hi Kathy

[23:06] <kittty-VHL> 7nothing

[23:06] <Kathy-VHL> hi all

[23:06] <Nega-VHL> 2in the beggining of the church there were women preachers and women baptized women and so on

[23:06] <eaglewings-VHL> does a certain weedkiller really get 'em next to trees?

[23:07] <eaglewings-VHL> how's that for diversionary?

[23:07] <Nega-VHL> 2hi Kathy

[23:07] <kittty-VHL> 7except that it was a woman that carried the message of the Ressurection

[23:07] <hands-VHL> 13yes there were

[23:07] <me-VHL> 5nothing just having a little fun

[23:07] <me-VHL> 5amen kitty

[23:07] <Nega-VHL> 2Kitty, you'e very smart, hehe

[23:07] <kittty-VHL> 7I wonder where some of the churches would have been today if it had not been for the women....no offence men

[23:08] <me-VHL> 5and a great many woman ministered with Paul

[23:08] <HostBob> I think - that if we have a certain pre-decided agenda, we can make the Scriptures support whatever we want - however, if we humbly approach trying to find God's preferred way, we will find it

[23:08] <grizzman-VHL> who was it that had Pheobe as a advisor Peter or Paul ??????????????????????????????:-)

[23:08] <Nega-VHL> 2Priscilla was one

[23:08] <kittty-VHL> 7go for it

[23:08] <Nega-VHL> 2Docas (I dont know how to write her name in English)

[23:08] <Mosey-VHL> 3Philip the evangelist had daughters that prophesied.

[23:08] <me-VHL> 5who cares she was an assistant

[23:09] <hands-VHL> 13My God is no respecter of persons, that is His preferred way

[23:09] <kittty-VHL> 7Isn't that true about any subject Bob? we really do need to rightly divide the scripture

[23:09] <me-VHL> 5look at Debrah the prophetess in the Old

[23:09] <me-VHL> 5bob youve gone silent

[23:09] <hands-VHL> 13Amen, me

[23:09] <kittty-VHL> 7Bob where are you

[23:09] <HostBob> Yes, exactly - that's why there are so many denominations, so much dissention - we all get proud about our pet doctrines

[23:09] <Nega-VHL> 2Majesty!

[23:09] <HostBob> I'm here :)

[23:10] <kittty-VHL> 7ture

[23:10] <me-VHL> 5true

[23:10] <HostBob> and presume to speak for God, rather than listening to what He has really said

[23:10] <Nega-VHL> 2but in my church we cant even have deaconess!

[23:10] <hands-VHL> 13not a p"pet doctrine", my LIFE

[23:10] <me-VHL> 5what denomination is that nega

[23:10] <Kathy-VHL> Well I am a woman and my understanding is that a man is to lead the woman. Woman was given to man as a helper which is a very large job. Tht is also the title given to the Holy Spirit and we women should not be ashamed to be just the helper after all if it is good enough name for the HS then why do we complain

[23:11] <Nega-VHL> 2presbyterian

[23:11] <kittty-VHL> 7I firmly believe the body of Christ both men and women have a ministry in this world

[23:11] <Nega-VHL> 2I mean, Brazilian Presbyterian church

[23:11] <me-VHL> 5in my church (independent ) we have alot of woman preaches and pastors and very anointed

[23:11] <grizzman-VHL> a woman minster led my grandfather to the LORD does this mean that because she was a woman his salvation was not reconized by GOD?????????

[23:11] <Mosey-VHL> 3Actually, Kathy - the word "helpmeet" means suitable help - and there is not sense of inferiority in the word.

[23:11] <HostBob> differing roles do not imply inferiority or superiority - for example, the role of a mother is inarguably one of the most important in the world

[23:12] <HostBob> no, Grizz, of course not

[23:12] <kittty-VHL> 7we are all vessels that need to be fit for the Master's use

[23:12] <Nega-VHL> 2yeah, but what if the father is absent?

[23:12] <hands-VHL> 13When God speaks to your ear, the issuse becomes real

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[23:12] <me-VHL> 5exactly in fact Helpmeet actually means the helper with the POWER same word as God is your HELP!

[23:12] <HostBob> God speaks through His word, not "in our ear"

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[23:13] <pie-VHL> 69God bless you all good nite, oh by the this is mine first time also and i really do like this and i will come back very soon it's very pleasant and i enjoyed myselfhe

[23:13] <me-VHL> 5bye pie

[23:13] <kittty-VHL> 7In Christ we are all one......there is neither male nor fremale.....is that hard to understand?

[23:13] <HostBob> Great to have you, pie!

[23:13] <Nega-VHL> 2great pie, but use other color :)

[23:13] <Mosey-VHL> 3Blessings, Pie

[23:13] <pie-VHL> 911bye me ;-)

[23:13] <grizzman-VHL> bye pie GOD bless

[23:13] <Nega-VHL> 2bad choice again pie :)

[23:13] <pie-VHL> 1113ok nega:->

[23:13] <Nega-VHL> 2you wanna make us blind :P

[23:13] <hands-VHL> 13oh, yes My call was in my ear, my heart and soul

[23:14] <Nega-VHL> 2thanx pie!!!

[23:14] <pie-VHL> 13God bless nega

[23:14] <Nega-VHL> 2you too pie

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[23:14] <HostBob> Hands, all the cults also say that God speaks in their ear

[23:14] <HostBob> not saying you are in a cult, I'm just saying the Scriptures are how we know what God has said

[23:14] <me-VHL> 5yes I think the issue is misunderstood because it says right before woman should teach that they shouldnt exercise authority over a man but woman teaches is not about submission

[23:15] <Judy-VHL> Hello everyone. I forgot about tonight. I'm a really late joiner.

[23:15] <HostBob> Hi Judy!

[23:15] <Nega-VHL> 2Well, I am very glad in my church. I like it a lot and if I am there I gotta accept the rules, but it doesnt stope me

[23:15] <me-VHL> 5hi judy

[23:15] <yaqquir-VHL> i'm against gender discrimination- question should we worry about our position in the body of Christ or simply rejoice that we are part of the body? i myself have gotten much from being the least in the church

[23:15] <grizzman-VHL> hi Judy nice to have you here

[23:15] <Nega-VHL> 2of having opinions based on studies and I pray that things may change

[23:16] <hands-VHL> 136you either judge a fool for Jesus or someone who choose this vessel He would call to be a female in the family of mine also but either way you are judging Bro.BOb

[23:16] <HostBob> Good point, Yaq :)

[23:16] <Judy-VHL> What was topic tonight? I don't mean to butt in in mid session and disrupt your conversation.

[23:16] <me-VHL> 5yes nega thats exactly the attitude aGod would expect from you that you would submit to the leadership whilst He keeps uou in that church

[23:16] <Mosey-VHL> 3Judy - we got off on women in the church

[23:16] <Nega-VHL> 2hi Judy

[23:17] <Judy-VHL> Oh, think I'll just listen awhile. Hi all.

[23:17] <kittty-VHL> 7Actually Canada started all this then left

[23:17] <HostBob> Yeah, I think I'll just listen awhile too :)

[23:17] <Nega-VHL> 2hehe

[23:17] <me-VHL> 5scardy cats

[23:17] <Nega-VHL> 2I thought that it was wrong for women to be ministers

[23:17] <kittty-VHL> 7Why?

[23:17] <hands-VHL> 6why?

[23:18] <Nega-VHL> 2but then I started to read the Bible and talk to other people

[23:18] <me-VHL> 5I think our misunderstanding of scripture in its whole contents is often our probllem

[23:18] <Nega-VHL> 2and realized it was a cultural matter

[23:18] <kittty-VHL> 7They are vessells

[23:18] <Judy-VHL> I know this is off topic, but Bob, since you are here, do you think Isaiah 17:1 is extremely close?

[23:18] <kittty-VHL> 7very likely

[23:18] <hands-VHL> 6yes

[23:18] <HostBob> All I can say is - read the Scriptures, let God speak - the reason we don't hear clearly is we take our own opinions first

[23:18] <HostBob> Yes, Judy, actually, we discussed that in some detail earlier!!

[23:19] <Nega-VHL> 2my grandmother was a pastor daughter and wished to be a pastor but as it was not allowed she prayed she could marry a pastor

[23:19] <grizzman-VHL> what does GOD mean when HE says authoir over men as in head of the house

[23:19] <Judy-VHL> Oh, darn it!

[23:19] <Nega-VHL> 2she' far wiser than many pastors...

[23:19] <me-VHL> 5yes Bob that true but also we dont read the whole..................we get off on one scripture not understanding the context written in

[23:19] <HostBob> Well, the transcript will be available tomorrow AM on the VHL front page

[23:19] <Kathy-VHL> this chat is loosing its focus and we need to stick to prophecy

[23:19] <hands-VHL> 6often, we are taught things that have passed down "opinions"

[23:19] <Judy-VHL> Good.

[23:20] <kittty-VHL> 7Enjoyed my first visit. Maranatha !!!! Kitty

[23:20] <HostBob> Amen, Kathy - let's get back on track :)

[23:20] <HostBob> Shalom, Kathy!

[23:20] <Judy-VHL> Bye Kitty

[23:20] <Mosey-VHL> 3Blessings, Kitty

[23:20] <HostBob> Kitty, I mean

[23:20] <grizzman-VHL> sholam kitty

[23:20] <me-VHL> 5bye kitty

[23:20] <Nega-VHL> 2god bless u Kitty!!

[23:21] <hands-VHL> 6goodnight kitty

[23:21] <kittty-VHL> 7Shalom! See you next week if the Lord doesn't come

[23:21] <HostBob> Judy...

[23:21] <HostBob> let's revisit the subject

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[23:21] <Kathy-VHL> Prophecy is what I came here to learn about

[23:21] <Judy-VHL> Yes?

[23:21] <HostBob> Since I believe it is getting very close

[23:21] <hands-VHL> 6good!

[23:22] <HostBob> What Judy referred to was Isaiah 17, which indicates a future war between Israel and Syria

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[23:22] <HostBob> "See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins.

[23:22] <grizzman-VHL> keep listing for the shofar to sound

[23:22] <HostBob> vs 1

[23:22] <HostBob> Damascus is the capital of Syria

[23:22] <HostBob> this prophecy has never been fulfilled

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[23:23] <HostBob> and we can see in the news that Israel and Syria are inching towards war

[23:23] <me-VHL> 5well since weve had this discussion I'm off it was really good talking to you all see you next time

[23:23] <Judy-VHL> Bye me

[23:23] <HostBob> Bye me - it's been a pleasure!

[23:23] <hands-VHL> 6good night,me:-)

[23:23] <Nega-VHL> 2by me!

[23:23] <Nega-VHL> 2God bless you

[23:23] <grizzman-VHL> bye me GOD BLESS

[23:23] <Nega-VHL> 2good day me :)

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[23:24] <HostBob> it seems that some catastrophic event will level Damascus, right?

[23:24] <Judy-VHL> Right.

[23:24] <HostBob> let's see what else it says

[23:24] <HostBob> The cities of Aroer will be deserted and left to flocks, which will lie down, with no one to make them afraid.

[23:24] <HostBob> v 2

[23:25] <HostBob> "Aroer" is in present day Jordan

[23:25] <HostBob> so... in spite of the fact that Jordan now has a peace treaty with Israel...

[23:25] <HostBob> it seems that they will become involved also

[23:25] <hands-VHL> 6almost sounds like a fall out

[23:25] <HostBob> Verse 3 was puzzling to me at first:

[23:25] <hands-VHL> 6???

[23:26] <HostBob> The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim, and royal power from Damascus;

[23:26] <hands-VHL> 6?

[23:26] <HostBob> Yes, hands....

[23:26] <hands-VHL> 6what do you think now?

[23:26] <HostBob> King Abdullah seems to be trying to get closer ties to the other arab countries

[23:27] <HostBob> Well, the part about Damascus agrees with v 1...

[23:27] <HostBob> but the part about Ephraim stumped me...

[23:27] <hands-VHL> 6with ya

[23:27] <hands-VHL> 6go

[23:27] <HostBob> until I realized that the "hill country of Ephraim" is what is today called the West Bank

[23:27] <Nega-VHL> 2I got here thr Ryrie Study Bible (in Portuguese of course) and in the footnote it says as it has already happened in 732 b.C

[23:27] <grizzman-VHL> i think in Daniel it says that they will come up against ISERAL as an unwalled city so with these peace accords Isreal will have its guard down

[23:27] <hands-VHL> 6ooooh

[23:28] <HostBob> Damascus is still a city, Nega

[23:28] <HostBob> it says it will "cease to be a city"

[23:28] <Nega-VHL> 2I know that...

[23:28] <Nega-VHL> 2and they have been in war before...

[23:28] <HostBob> so....

[23:28] <Judy-VHL> One of the oldest surviving cities in world. Destruction never happened yet.

[23:28] <HostBob> my interpretation of v 3 is this...

[23:29] <HostBob> the Palestinians will ally with Syria, thinking to make a grab for Jerusalem

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[23:29] <Nega-VHL> 2poor people

[23:29] <HostBob> but their power will "disappear" when Israel is victorious

[23:30] <Judy-VHL> Bob, do you think this is the time for Russia to be in on all of this?

[23:30] <HostBob> Nega, another thing to remember is this... when the prophets saw visions...

[23:30] <HostBob> they often say both local events and future events in the same vision - we see that very frequently

[23:31] <Nega-VHL> 2oh, I see

[23:31] <HostBob> where even in the same sentence they are prophesying about events widely dispersed in time

[23:31] <Nega-VHL> 2its a shame the fact I didnt know that

[23:31] <hands-VHL> 6true, and it still could be part of a fall out which how would they know to explain it

[23:32] <HostBob> well, it's still hard for us to understand many of these things - there are wide differences of opionion in interpretations

[23:32] <HostBob> Judy...

[23:32] <Nega-VHL> 2tell me Your Majesty!

[23:32] <Judy-VHL> Yes

[23:33] <HostBob> this is only my opinion, but I believe that Russia war spoken of in Ezekiel is separate and later

[23:33] <Nega-VHL> 2every family reunion is a ....

[23:33] <HostBob> Nega, please :)

[23:33] <hands-VHL> 6hello gundy

[23:33] <Nega-VHL> 2confusion because of that

[23:33] <HostBob> Here are some reasons for that

[23:33] <HostBob> continuing in Isaiah 17:

[23:34] <HostBob> In that day the glory of Jacob will fade; the fat of his body will waste away. - v 4

[23:34] <HostBob> what does that mean? I take it to mean that because of the destruction of damascus, Israel's glory (national status) will be diminished - there will be harsh criticism in the international community

[23:35] <Nega-VHL> 2I am also very exagerated :)

[23:35] <HostBob> which also seems to be what v 12 is saying:

[23:35] <HostBob> 12 Oh, the raging of many nations-- they rage like the raging sea! Oh, the uproar of the peoples-- they roar like the roaring of great waters!

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[23:36] <Nega-VHL> 2hey, that's make a lot of sense!

[23:36] <HostBob> Zechariah 9 also contains cryptic prophesy against Damascus....

[23:37] <HostBob> The word of the LORD is against the land of Hadrach and will rest upon Damascus-- for the eyes of men and all the tribes of Israel are on the LORD--

[23:37] <HostBob> and upon Hamath too, which borders on it, and upon Tyre and Sidon, though they are very skillful.

[23:37] <HostBob> now, Nega, parts of this were almost certainly fulfilled historically...

[23:37] <Nega-VHL> 2does it also have connection with those prophecies in Rev that the kingdoms will be against Israel and Israel will prevail?

[23:37] <HostBob> by Alexander the great...

[23:37] <HostBob> but I believe it also has a future application

[23:38] <HostBob> Ultimately, yes Nega...

[23:38] <HostBob> it seems that Israel will be increasingly isolated and shunned

[23:38] <Judy-VHL> Does the antichrist sign the 7 year peace agreement, then, after the scuffle that includes Russia?

[23:39] <Judy-VHL> I'm not clear on this.

[23:39] <Nega-VHL> 2whats scuffle?

[23:39] <HostBob> I don't know Judy - some interpret Eze 38&39 to lead up to that, yes, others see it as the Armegeddon battle

[23:39] <HostBob> I don't know, personally

[23:39] <Judy-VHL> Ok, thanks.

[23:40] <Judy-VHL> I guess I've always seen the Battle of Armageddon as the conflict involving the Kings of the East.

[23:40] <HostBob> Please don't think I'm dogmatic on any of these interpretations, because I'm undoubtedly wrong in some aspects :)

[23:40] <Judy-VHL> No problem.

[23:41] <Nega-VHL> 2but at least you have an opinion, which is far more than I do! :)

[23:41] <grizzman-VHL> hey guys its been great but it is bed time thanks for a great eve of learing love yooou Inthe name of CHRIST nite

[23:41] <yaqquir-VHL> Bob on reading vs 12 the pain and disease thet speak of sounds almost like effects of nuclear radiation-would cause a lot of nations and people to criticize israel

[23:42] <HostBob> :) I believe, as I outlined on the VHL forum this week (see there for a more detailed listing of Scriptures) that the war will iinclude Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and the Palestinians

[23:42] <Judy-VHL> Goodnight Grizzman

[23:42] <Nega-VHL> 2nite grizz!

[23:42] <hands-VHL> 6good night grizzman, God bless

[23:42] <Nega-VHL> 2God bless u

[23:42] <HostBob> yes, Yaq, good observation

[23:42] <HostBob> See ya Grizz!!!

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[23:43] <hands-VHL> 6I think that too, yaqquir

[23:43] <Judy-VHL> So, King Abdullah is not as neutral as his father, is he? I've been watching for that, but haven't learned anything yet.

[23:43] <HostBob> It's hard to read Judy, but that's the impression I get...

[23:44] <HostBob> he's speaking very friendly to Barak, but I have a feeling he will be tougher than his father when it comes to making a choice against Israel

[23:44] <yaqquir-VHL> in light of current news pushing for nuclear disarmament then israel would appear the bad guy

[23:44] <HostBob> in allying with his arab neighbors

[23:44] <HostBob> yes, Yaq!

[23:44] <HostBob> much more than the bad guy - an international pariah

[23:45] <Nega-VHL> 2but how true is this disarmement thing, anyway?

[23:45] <HostBob> which would I believe cause the always present undercurrent of anti-semitism to raise its ugly head once again

[23:45] <hands-VHL> 6wow, this whole thing looks alot closwer just now

[23:45] <HostBob> yes, hand, it could be very very close

[23:46] <Nega-VHL> 2so praised be the Lord that never changes, nor lies!

[23:46] <yaqquir-VHL> interesting note clinton visiting india and pakistan concerning nuclear weapons wonder who would be the first to condem israel

[23:46] <HostBob> Amen, Queen Nega! :)

[23:46] <hands-VHL> 6no doubt

[23:47] <Judy-VHL> Bob, I know that the Bible instructs us that no one knows the hour. But I run into Christians all the time that say, "Gee, He could come tomorrow, and He could come in a hundred years. This drives me nuts! How could it possibly even be 20 years in my mind. What is your true opinion. I believe in 6 day theory.

[23:47] <Nega-VHL> 2hey, and dont forget that the US still has the most powerful weapons and all

[23:47] <yaqquir-VHL> amen nega

[23:47] <HostBob> Yes, we talked about that last week Judy - the prophecy in Hosea about "after 2 days"

[23:47] <hands-VHL> 6the hour,

[23:47] <Nega-VHL> 2arsenal, is that the right word?

[23:48] <yaqquir-VHL> yes

[23:48] <Nega-VHL> 2the problem with time is that eastern people think differently...

[23:48] <HostBob> we are close - I would not put a timeframe on it, but we are close

[23:48] <HostBob> yes, Nega?

[23:48] <Nega-VHL> 2time is just a concept

[23:48] <hands-VHL> 6he who has an ear...

[23:48] <HostBob> go on, Nega - elaborate :)

[23:49] <Nega-VHL> 2I am not that good in physics. Actually, I hate it, hehe

[23:49] <HostBob> Good - we don't need to PHD in Physics to sit at the feet of Jesus and hear His word :)

[23:50] <Nega-VHL> 2time is just a concept invented by men and the eatern think differently from western on this issue

[23:50] <Nega-VHL> 2and imagine at OT times

[23:50] <Nega-VHL> 2with a proverbial tongue

[23:50] <HostBob> speaking of time - Whoa! look at the time!

[23:50] <Judy-VHL> Nega, I think that the Lord did want us to know the approximate time, not to panic, but to get others ready and ourselves. He loves us so much, that He wants us to know these things.

[23:51] <hands-VHL> 6yes:-)

[23:51] <HostBob> Amen, Judy :)

[23:51] <Nega-VHL> 2yes Judy!

[23:51] <HostBob> All you people of the world, you who live on the earth, when a banner is raised on the mountains, you will see it, and when a trumpet sounds, you will hear it. - Isa 18:3

[23:51] <Nega-VHL> 2and thats why we gotta be ready always

[23:52] <Judy-VHL> Sorry I missed the bulk of the evening. I will visit the site and read the transcripts.

[23:52] <Nega-VHL> 2which sometimes is quite hard, I must confess

[23:52] <HostBob> Yes, it is hard - our adversary wants to throw us off course

[23:52] <Nega-VHL> 2which mountain?

[23:52] <HostBob> we must be alert

[23:53] <HostBob> At the mountain where God chooses to reign, where the LORD himself will dwell forever - Psalm 68:16

[23:53] <Nega-VHL> 2yes, and never walk with another person you know is "holier" than you, haha (you know, 2 people will be walking and only one will be ...)

[23:53] <HostBob> LOL Nega

[23:54] <Nega-VHL> 2arrebatado, in Portuguese

[23:54] <Judy-VHL> I must go because of work in the morning, but will try to make it next week. Thanks for your insight, Bob. It was much appreciated.

[23:54] <Nega-VHL> 2so, we'll have to wait to find out which mountain? or isnt it exactly a mountain?

[23:55] <HostBob> Thanks for joining us, Judy!!!

[23:55] <Nega-VHL> 2bye Judy! God bless

[23:55] <Judy-VHL> Goodnight all!

[23:55] <HostBob> Yes, it's Mount Zion

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[23:55] <hands-VHL> 6well, it's about time for me to turn in, good night everyone:-)

[23:55] <HostBob> the Father says, ""I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill." (Psalm 2:6)

[23:55] <Nega-VHL> 2is quite stupid... Stan, please, delete my question!!

[23:56] <Nega-VHL> 2good night hands!

[23:56] <Nega-VHL> 2God bless you!

[23:56] <HostBob> Bye hands! God bless!

[23:56] <hands-VHL> 6:-)

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[23:56] <HostBob> Nega, someone who wanted to know that also will read your question and the answer on the transcript :)

[23:57] <Nega-VHL> 2and already asking for forgiveness, I will make a question that is a shame. Hope nobody in my family finds out, hehe

[23:57] <HostBob> :)

[23:57] <Nega-VHL> 2wheres Zion, exactly?

[23:57] <HostBob> Jerusalem

[23:57] <Nega-VHL> 2Now, that one must be deleted

[23:58] <HostBob> there will be severe topographical changes there (is that the right word?)

[23:58] <Nega-VHL> 2I always confuse Zion with the 10 commandments one, if that can be an excuse :->

[23:58] <Nega-VHL> 2hey, Im not the English native speaker here :P

[23:59] <HostBob> that's ok, Nega - like I said, someone who did not know these things will read it tomorrow :)

[23:59] <Nega-VHL> 2but I think thats right

[23:59] <HostBob> you're one ahead of me as far as languages go :)

[23:59] <yaqquir-VHL> the only question that is silly nega is the one not asked

[23:59] <Nega-VHL> 2what a consolation. But I was supposed to know those things

[23:59] <Nega-VHL> 2thats the problem

[00:00] <Nega-VHL> 2I know Yaq :) Oh, I am so touched. You're real nice Christians :)

[00:00] <Kathy-VHL> Nega maybe God wanted you to ask so it wouldinform other think about it that way

[00:00] <yaqquir-VHL> if we knew all the answers would any of us be here?

[00:00] <Nega-VHL> 2Thats so sweet. Thanx yall

[00:00] <HostBob> the more learn in the Scriptures the more I realize how little i really know

[00:01] <yaqquir-VHL> amen

[00:01] <Kathy-VHL> Amen Bob

[00:01] <Nega-VHL> 2Idem

[00:01] <Nega-VHL> 2so, what's the 10 commandment mountain then?

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[00:02] <Kathy-VHL> I cant spell it lol

[00:02] <HostBob> I must be going also.....

[00:02] <Kathy-VHL> It starts with an S

[00:02] <Nega-VHL> 2I must confess I am lazy to look for it at my Bible...

[00:02] <HostBob> you all can stay and chat - Stan will probably saunter in any minute now

[00:02] <Nega-VHL> 2sinai!

[00:02] <Kathy-VHL> its Mt Siani or something like that

[00:03] <Nega-VHL> 2In portuguese its Sinai

[00:03] <Nega-VHL> 2and Zion is Sião

[00:03] <HostBob> it's been a pleasure, as always - thanks for "enduring to the end" <g>

[00:03] <yaqquir-VHL> thanks for the leadership Bob

[00:03] <Nega-VHL> 2quite alike, hehe

[00:03] <Kathy-VHL> I dont know how to spell all those foreign names lol

[00:03] <Nega-VHL> 2thank you your Maj!

[00:03] <Nega-VHL> 2It was really nice talking to you

[00:03] <HostBob> Hope to see you again Yaq, Nega, Kathy!

[00:03] <Kathy-VHL> Bob thanks sorry I didnt get in as earlier as I wanted but thanks for being here to inform us

[00:03] <Nega-VHL> 2I really learnt

[00:04] <Nega-VHL> 2a lot

[00:04] <Kathy-VHL> Me too Nega

[00:04] <yaqquir-VHL> me too

[00:04] <HostBob> You're welcome! God's blessings to you all :) Good night!

[00:04] <Kathy-VHL> Nite all

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[00:04] <Nega-VHL> 2Good night! God bless u too!

[00:04] <yaqquir-VHL> good night Bob

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