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[19:37] <dj-VHL> 6hello

[19:37] <granny-VHL> Hi..just checking to see if anyone is on yet..a little early isn't it?

[19:38] <HostBob> Whoa! We've got a crowd already! :)

[19:38] <dj-VHL> 6yep

[19:38] <HostBob> just a little, but feel free to stay

[19:38] <Hope-VHL> hi everyone!

[19:38] <dj-VHL> 6thanks

[19:38] <HostBob> Hi Hope, Granny, Hands, DJ!

[19:38] <Hope-VHL> Do we get the early bird prize again, Bob?

[19:38] <HostBob> Shalom in the name of Yeshuah the Messiah!

[19:39] <dj-VHL> 6hi bob

[19:39] <HostBob> Yeah, hope, help yourself to all the free coffee ya want! :)

[19:39] <dj-VHL> 6Shalom

[19:39] <HostBob> Hi DJ!

[19:39] <dj-VHL> 6:-)

[19:39] <Hope-VHL> Thanks! I have my cup in front of me! LOL

[19:39] <granny-VHL> I'll be back...a little later..hope I don't miss too much..

[19:39] <HostBob> How is everyone tonight?

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[19:40] <hands-VHL> 63fine

[19:40] <dj-VHL> 6good...

[19:40] <Hope-VHL> AWESOME! We had an AWESOME night of prayer and the Lords Supper last night in church!

[19:40] <HostBob> I was just messing with my Bible software a little in preparation for this chat

[19:40] <dj-VHL> 6you sure can tell who's excited... the early bird catches the worm

[19:40] <HostBob> Yeah hope? That's terrific!!!!

[19:40] <HostBob> Yes, DJ :)

[19:41] <HostBob> If you all don't have Bible software yet, I highly recommend it

[19:41] <Hope-VHL> O.K. I'm a little over whelmed :)

[19:41] <dj-VHL> 6christiancinema.com released a really good movie... the moment after

[19:41] <HostBob> Oh DJ? Tell us about it

[19:41] <Hope-VHL> OH OH

[19:42] <dj-VHL> 6It is a great movie.... about the Rapture

[19:42] <HostBob> What's the matter, hope?

[19:42] <hands-VHL> 3good ending too?

[19:42] <dj-VHL> 6yes

[19:42] <Hope-VHL> I guess I'll let you handle it!

[19:42] <dj-VHL> 6I love those kinds of movies.

[19:43] <HostBob> :) So it was encouraging to you, DJ?

[19:43] <dj-VHL> 6very much so... it renewed my faith in Jesus

[19:43] <HostBob> Paul said, "encourage each other with these words"? About His appearing?

[19:43] <Hope-VHL> That's GREAT DJ

[19:43] <HostBob> That is our hope and expectation

[19:43] <dj-VHL> 6Thanks Hope

[19:44] <HostBob> not "beat each other up with these words" as you debate pre-post-trib :)

[19:44] <hands-VHL> 3AMEN

[19:44] <hands-VHL> 3has anyone seen omega force?

[19:44] <Hope-VHL> We all just need to be ready either way, just in case we're wrong about the timing

[19:44] <HostBob> now I have to admit I can argue with the best of them :) , but I hope I haven't discouraged people because of it

[19:44] <dj-VHL> 6Ive seen the Omega Code

[19:44] <HostBob> Yes, Hope :)

[19:45] <dj-VHL> 6yes Hope

[19:45] <HostBob> I haven't seen that one either

[19:45] <Hope-VHL> Yea, I saw it

[19:45] <HostBob> Well, it's good to see that Christian producers are putting out quality films, huh?

[19:45] <dj-VHL> 6I heard they might make the Left Behind series into a movie.... I hope

[19:45] <Hope-VHL> My only complaint, well one of them, was that they only mentioned the word "JESUS" ONE time in the entire film

[19:46] <dj-VHL> 6Amen

[19:46] <hands-VHL> 3oh that was the name yes, didn't care that much for the ending but then I more a reader anyway

[19:46] <dj-VHL> 6I counted too Hope

[19:46] <HostBob> Oh, that's pretty poor, huh Hope?

[19:46] <dj-VHL> 6you are right...

[19:46] <HostBob> I mean, what do you talk about if it's not about Jesus?

[19:46] <HostBob> Regarding His coming?

[19:46] <Hope-VHL> Yea, I guess they didn't want to step on too many feet!

[19:46] <HostBob> Wimps :)

[19:46] <Hope-VHL> YOU SAID IT!

[19:47] <HostBob> LOL

[19:47] <dj-VHL> 6Politically Correct World you know

[19:47] <dj-VHL> 6too bad

[19:47] <Hope-VHL> BOY AM I SICK OF IT

[19:47] <dj-VHL> 6dito

[19:47] <HostBob> Yeah, well, the lines are going to be drawn very quickly here

[19:47] <HostBob> and very distinctly

[19:47] <HostBob> you are either a JESUS person or you aren't :)

[19:47] <Hope-VHL> AMEN

[19:47] <dj-VHL> 6does anyone here believe in the conspiracy theory?

[19:48] <HostBob> Which particular one, DJ?

[19:48] <Hope-VHL> ILLUMINATI

[19:48] <dj-VHL> 6yes Hope... Bilderbergers...etc.

[19:48] <hands-VHL> 3but then there is so much most in fact without a hint of good

[19:49] <HostBob> In broad terms, yes, perhaps not to the paranoid degree, but it seems that there is a global conspiracy against the ultimate reign of Jesus

[19:49] <Hope-VHL> Bilderbergers....I never heard it called that

[19:49] <HostBob> the Scriptures talk about that

[19:49] <dj-VHL> 6yep .. and the council of something... i forgot

[19:49] <Hope-VHL> OH...I'm still learning...:-)

[19:49] <HostBob> Bilderbergers is an elite group of world bigshots that meets once a year

[19:49] <dj-VHL> 6Amen

[19:49] <HostBob> let them meet all they want - JESUS WILL STILL REIGN FROM ZION!!!!

[19:49] <hands-VHL> 3I love to hear the Lord name in propper light, but usually it's only in vain

[19:50] <dj-VHL> 6I believe the movie the "Skulls" is related to them

[19:50] <dj-VHL> 6Amen Bob

[19:50] <Hope-VHL> Bob, have you been to Zions Hope in Orlando?

[19:50] <HostBob> No, I have not, hope

[19:50] <hands-VHL> 3I stopped cable TV for that reason

[19:50] <dj-VHL> 6brb

[19:51] <Hope-VHL> The only reason I like cable is because I can get world news, even though I get most online

[19:51] <HostBob> Yes, it's very important that we keep ourselves holy and undefiled, right?

[19:51] <Hope-VHL> AMEN Bob

[19:52] <hands-VHL> 3I do miss some good TV but so much is bad

[19:52] <HostBob> Yes, our adversary wants to make us ineffective by enticing us to being stained by the world

[19:52] <HostBob> it's difficult to avoid, but we must

[19:53] <dj-VHL> 6im back...

[19:53] <hands-VHL> 3there are salt. TV for Christians but I don't know anyone who has tried it

[19:53] <HostBob> Did any of you have trouble getting in the room?

[19:53] <dj-VHL> 6does anyone have the free Christian internet?

[19:53] <dj-VHL> 6I just hooked up today...

[19:53] <HostBob> Because I'm trying to get in on another PC I have here and cannot

[19:53] <hands-VHL> 3free? tell us more

[19:53] <HostBob> Oh DJ?

[19:54] <dj-VHL> 6www.LifeOfTheWorld.com

[19:54] <dj-VHL> 6it is really free

[19:54] <hands-VHL> 3outstanding!

[19:54] <dj-VHL> 6and it has a web filter... it's great

[19:54] <dj-VHL> 6check it out

[19:54] <HostBob> sounds good!

[19:55] <dj-VHL> 6I found it from Christianity Online Magazine

[19:55] <HostBob> I hope you have been thinking of possible topics you'd like to discuss tonight :)

[19:55] <hands-VHL> 3I will thanks!

[19:55] <dj-VHL> 6I believe God sent it to me because I didn't even ask for the magazine, it just arrived in my mail box

[19:56] <hands-VHL> 3awesome!

[19:56] <dj-VHL> 6Praise God

[19:56] <HostBob> I'm afraid that perhaps others may be trying to get in and cannot :(

[19:57] <hands-VHL> 3where are you from dj?

[19:57] <dj-VHL> 6California

[19:57] <dj-VHL> 6and u

[19:57] <Hope-VHL> Sorry, Now I'm out of it, I left for a minute.....what do you mean Bob

[19:57] <hands-VHL> 3NC

[19:57] <HostBob> Get into the room

[19:57] <dj-VHL> 6I used to live in SC

[19:57] <Hope-VHL> Why can't they get in

[19:58] <HostBob> We usually have more by this time, and I'm on another computer also and cannot get in with that one

[19:58] <hands-VHL> 3married, children, etc...?

[19:58] <dj-VHL> 6married...no children...

[19:58] <Hope-VHL> Oh no, I got in so easily

[19:58] <HostBob> So... let's agree together in prayer, that the Lord will bless our time, and work out any potential tech problems

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[19:59] <dj-VHL> 6Hope did you miss the free internet info above?

[19:59] <HostBob> Welcome Dotk!

[19:59] <dj-VHL> 6Yes Bob

[19:59] <HostBob> Did you have any trouble getting in here, Dotk?

[19:59] <Hope-VHL> not me....but I was early

[19:59] <Dotk-VHL> yes a little

[19:59] <hands-VHL> 3Bob,I couldn't get in at 6:55 but was able to check in two times after before I found granny here

[20:00] <Dotk-VHL> It took a while

[20:00] <HostBob> Well, let's keep praying that others can get in :)

[20:00] <dj-VHL> 6I got right in

[20:00] <Hope-VHL> We're missing a lot of the regulars

[20:00] <hands-VHL> 3yes

[20:00] <HostBob> Welcome to Virtual Holy Land Prophecy Chat!

[20:00] <HostBob> Tonight, we will try to keep it interesting for you,

[20:00] <HostBob> as we discuss topics related to Bible prophecy.

[20:00] <HostBob> This chat session is "officially" scheduled for one hour...

[20:00] <HostBob> but we'll probably be hanging out for a little longer

[20:00] <HostBob> than that, so stick around if you'd like!

[20:01] <dj-VHL> 6Boy, if you all are regulars.. I am new.. lol

[20:01] <Hope-VHL> WELCOME DJ we love new people too!!!

[20:01] <dj-VHL> 6Thanks

[20:01] <HostBob> Remember that this is an open forum.

[20:01] <HostBob> An relevant topic in which you are interested

[20:01] <HostBob> is open for discussion - so feel free

[20:01] <HostBob> to chime in with your questions, opinions,

[20:01] <HostBob> insights, etc!

[20:01] <hands-VHL> 3brb

[20:01] <hands-VHL> 3phone call

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[20:02] <Hope-VHL> So, does the fact that Israel is planning on pulling out of Lebanon, and that Israel is now allowing building to be done on parts of the Golan Heights, does it look like there will be war with Syria?

[20:02] <HostBob> Stan won't be joining us at all tonight from Jerusalem, but he says to send you his greetings :)

[20:03] <HostBob> What does everyone think about hope's question?

[20:03] <dj-VHL> 6hi Reb

[20:03] <dj-VHL> 6good question

[20:03] <HostBob> It seems to me that the probabilities for that grow stronger, Hope

[20:03] <Reb-VHL> Hello DJ

[20:03] <Hope-VHL> The Syrians seem a little upset, to say the least

[20:04] <HostBob> You probably saw the news snippet that Stan included in the weekly email, right?

[20:04] <dj-VHL> 6I am concerned about China helping Palistine.

[20:04] <Hope-VHL> When is Damascus (spell check) supposed to be destroyed, YEA BOB

[20:04] <HostBob> I'll repeat it here...

[20:04] <HostBob> Attacks on Israel after it withdraws from Lebanon could lead to war

[20:04] <HostBob> between Israel and Syria, a senior Israeli defense official warned Sunday.

[20:04] <HostBob> If Syria permits or encourages Lebanese guerrillas to continue their attacks

[20:04] <HostBob> on Israeli troops along the border after the pullout, promised by July,

[20:04] <HostBob> Israel will have to "apply levers to put pressure on the Syrians themselves,

[20:04] <HostBob> not just on their indirect interests in Lebanon," Deputy Defense Minister

[20:04] <HostBob> Ephraim Sneh said

[20:05] <HostBob> I don't think it specifies the "when" hope, but it seems quite clear that it will happen

[20:06] <HostBob> If you have your Bibles handy, check out Isaiah 17

[20:06] <Hope-VHL> I'm talking about the Tribulation period....or is it before?

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[20:06] <Hope-VHL> O.k

[20:06] <HostBob> Well, hope, like many prophecies, what we see is a flash of a vision, without much context.....

[20:06] <HostBob> but I believe it will be before

[20:07] <Hope-VHL> In Isaiah 17?

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[20:07] <HostBob> Because some of the statements given in Isaiah 17 ---- such as....

[20:07] <HostBob> Welcome Gramma, Im!

[20:07] <Hope-VHL> Oh the very first verse!

[20:07] <Gramma-VHL> Hi Bob. How are you doing?

[20:07] <HostBob> "In that day the glory of Jacob will fade; the fat of his body will waste away. (Isaiah 17:4 NIV)

[20:07] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 10:-) thanks bob

[20:08] <HostBob> Doing good, thanks!

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[20:08] <HostBob> verse 4 indicates to me.....

[20:08] <dj-VHL> 6I feel it might be during the Tribulation

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[20:08] <HostBob> that after Damascus is annihilated, Israel's national reputation will become "emaciated"

[20:08] <Hope-VHL> Hi Gramma!

[20:08] <HostBob> Welcome Light, Elly!

[20:08] <Gramma-VHL> Think I'll just sit a while and read and see if I can pick up on your talk.

[20:09] <Elly-VHL> LIkewise

[20:09] <light2-VHL> 3Hello

[20:09] <Gramma-VHL> Hi Hope, Good to talk with you.

[20:09] <HostBob> And possibly....

[20:09] <Hope-VHL> What's emaciated?

[20:09] <HostBob> As a result of Israel's condemnation in the world community...

[20:09] <dj-VHL> 6is it annihilated?

[20:09] <HostBob> thin, sickly

[20:09] <HostBob> no

[20:10] <HostBob> their "glory" - national status

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[20:10] <Gramma-VHL> Israel is never annihilated. Right?

[20:10] <HostBob> in other words, the world will come down hard on them for what may be the use of nuclear devices against Damascus

[20:10] <dj-VHL> 6no

[20:10] <HostBob> right, Gramma :)

[20:10] <HostBob> and in verse 7 - as a result....

[20:10] <Hope-VHL> So then would the peace treaty come next?

[20:10] <HostBob> 7 In that day men will look to their Maker and turn their eyes to the Holy One of Israel.

[20:11] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 10really bob, a nuclear device

[20:11] <HostBob> because they will be isolated, they may loook more to the Lord

[20:11] <HostBob> yes, IM, what else could wipe out an entire modern city and make it a "heap of ruins"?

[20:11] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 10true

[20:11] <dj-VHL> 6to protect the golan heights it's possible to use weapons...yes?

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[20:12] <HostBob> Yes, DJ as tensions escalate....

[20:12] <light2-VHL> 3What verses are you all discussing?

[20:12] <HostBob> Isaiah 17

[20:12] <dj-VHL> 6I don't believe they will use the samson project.

[20:12] <HostBob> think about it - what would cause nations to use weapons of mass destruction?

[20:12] <Hope-VHL> Samson project?

[20:12] <dj-VHL> 6that is not in prophecy...

[20:12] <uzzykim-VHL> :-)13Hi

[20:12] <HostBob> either (a) desperation

[20:13] <Hope-VHL> Hi uzzykim!

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[20:13] <HostBob> or (b) when another country uses them first, right?

[20:13] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 10actually, I thought it possible that Israel might use nuclear weapons during the bombings from Iraq

[20:13] <Gramma-VHL> Hi uzzykim.

[20:13] <HostBob> and chemical and biological weapons, which Syria has, fall in that category

[20:13] <dj-VHL> 6The Samson project is like a suicide mission... where they destroy themselves w/ the invading nation...

[20:13] <dj-VHL> 6that won't happen

[20:14] <HostBob> no, that won't happen

[20:14] <Hope-VHL> Bob, don't you think if Syria tries to strike Israel that all the other Muslim nations will try to do the same?

[20:14] <HostBob> Perhaps, hope... but in the current climate...

[20:14] <HostBob> Jordan would probably not join in, right?

[20:15] <Hope-VHL> Yea, they're always the more peaceful ones

[20:15] <HostBob> and Egypt, well, that's a toss up, huh?

[20:15] <light2-VHL> 3What does verse 10 of Isa, 17 mean?

[20:15] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I think Syria wants a peace deal with Israel so the Jewish people could rebuild the Temple of David .

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[20:15] <HostBob> Light....

[20:15] <Hope-VHL> Syria and Israel won't get a peace deal

[20:15] <HostBob> in my opinion....

[20:16] <HostBob> it means that the Lord is trying to get Israel's attention through these things

[20:16] <dj-VHL> 6What's the deal with China helping Palestine?

[20:16] <Gramma-VHL> It almost seems the something supernatural will have to happen for the rebuilding of the Temple to begin.

[20:16] <Hope-VHL> WHat a joke

[20:16] <HostBob> verse 12 could also be talking about the international condemnation of Israel as a result....

[20:16] <dj-VHL> 6yes Gramma

[20:17] <HostBob> Oh, the raging of many nations-- they rage like the raging sea! Oh, the uproar of the peoples-- they roar like the roaring of great waters! (Isaiah 17:12 NIV)

[20:17] <HostBob> Yes, Gramma

[20:17] <light2-VHL> 3And then is verse 14 the punishment of those that come against Israel?

[20:17] <Gramma-VHL> Do you think China is to be trusted in this helping of Palestine?

[20:17] <Hope-VHL> China acts like they're friendly with both Palestine AND Israel...

[20:17] <HostBob> yes, 13 and 14 Light

[20:18] <dj-VHL> 6I believe that will happen after the Rapture--- or at least the sacrifices

[20:18] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Gramma- yes the prophecy about the Antichrist defiling the Temple during the last half of the Tribulation will have to be set up to happen very soon.

[20:18] <Hope-VHL> What will happen DJ

[20:18] <dj-VHL> 6The rebuilding of the Temple

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[20:18] <dj-VHL> 6the 3rd Temple

[20:18] <HostBob> Tell us what you read about China, DJ

[20:18] <HostBob> Welcome, Bayou!

[20:19] <dj-VHL> 6Nothing... i just saw the paper clipping

[20:19] <bayoumama-VHL> Thanks Bob, glad to be here.

[20:19] <dj-VHL> 6I didn't read it

[20:19] <HostBob> Israel is being soundly criticized for selling the early warning system to China

[20:19] <Hope-VHL> So anything new with the Heifer? spell check

[20:20] <HostBob> a system like AWACS

[20:20] <dj-VHL> 6Is this the connection of the men from the east

[20:20] <Gramma-VHL> Why did they do that? For protection?

[20:20] <HostBob> I have not heard, hope, other than that they are raising some

[20:20] <HostBob> I don't know DJ - what do you think?

[20:20] <dj-VHL> 6I heard they have a few

[20:20] <Hope-VHL> We (the U.S.) has nerves condeming Israel for selling weapons to China, when we have done it in the past!

[20:21] <dj-VHL> 6I believe it is the start

[20:21] <HostBob> Yes, Hope, the noive! :)

[20:21] <dj-VHL> 6All the signs are begining...

[20:21] <uzzykim-VHL> 13yes

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[20:21] <HostBob> Welcome Mac and Believer!

[20:22] <HostBob> We've got an excellent group in here!

[20:22] <Believer-VHL> shalom

[20:22] <Hope-VHL> And now, we are refusing to sell weapons to Tawain because it is to "provacative"!!!! How are they supposed to defend themselves against China now, boy are we good allies or what

[20:22] <dj-VHL> 6interesting point Hope

[20:22] <dj-VHL> 6true

[20:22] <HostBob> You tell em, hope :)

[20:22] <Gramma-VHL> Poor judgment.

[20:23] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Truly we are nearer than ever before the return of Our Lord!

[20:23] <Hope-VHL> There I go again....

[20:23] <dj-VHL> 6yes uzzy

[20:23] <dj-VHL> 6Maranatha!

[20:23] <HostBob> Yes, come quickly, Lord Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[20:23] <Believer-VHL> if we use only nuclear weapons, where is our faith?

[20:23] <Hope-VHL> Uzzykim Awesome isn't it!!!

[20:24] <HostBob> I don't have any, myself, believer :)

[20:24] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Truly AWESOME Hope! :)

[20:24] <hands-VHL> 34I'm back

[20:24] <Gramma-VHL> I meant poor judgment on the part of the US for not helping Tawain. Am I wrong there?

[20:24] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I'm ready to go HOME-how about you?

[20:24] <Believer-VHL> it is written that there will be a horrible war first

[20:24] <HostBob> Welcome back :)

[20:24] <bayoumama-VHL> 3As the old song, says won't it be wonderful there:-)

[20:24] <light2-VHL> 3AMEN UZZY

[20:24] <hands-VHL> 4thanks, missed alot

[20:24] <HostBob> Well, Gramma, to me that's a purely political question :)

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[20:25] <HostBob> Welcome, Justpassin!

[20:25] <uzzykim-VHL> 13bayoumama-having no burdeons or cares, joyously singing with heartbells a ringing oh won't it be wonderful there

[20:25] <Gramma-VHL> OK, I like the other conversation better. :-O:-)

[20:25] <Hope-VHL> Gramma, Clinton is being his hypocrital self......the U.S. always was supposed to aid Tawain, well promised

[20:25] <HostBob> Gramma, remember what you said earlier about "supernatural means"?

[20:25] <HostBob> for rebuilding?

[20:26] <HostBob> Let's take a look at what should be a very familiar phrase...

[20:26] <light2-VHL> 3No one can lean on Arm of Flesh

[20:26] <Gramma-VHL> It sure doesn't seem humanly possible.

[20:26] <HostBob> you know that both Haggai and Zechariah both deal a lot with building the temple, right?

[20:26] <HostBob> both back then and prophetically

[20:26] <Believer-VHL> we have to be positive

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[20:27] <HostBob> You've all heard this verse?

[20:27] <Gramma-VHL> Right, Bob.

[20:27] <HostBob> So he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty. (Zechariah 4:6 NIV)

[20:27] <Believer-VHL> and enjoy life as far as possible

[20:27] <hands-VHL> 4AMEN

[20:27] <HostBob> Now look at the next verse and see...

[20:27] <HostBob> what it is that is going to happen by supernatural means...

[20:27] <Gramma-VHL> I think we sometimes forget Who really is in control.

[20:27] <HostBob> by the Spirit of the Lord....

[20:27] <HostBob> "What are you, O mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of 'God bless it! God bless it!'" (Zechariah 4:7 NIV)

[20:27] <Believer-VHL> GOD IS IN CONTROL...

[20:27] <HostBob> What do we see?

[20:28] <HostBob> An obstacle to rebuilding, right?

[20:28] <Hope-VHL> I'm lost

[20:28] <HostBob> That God says "What are you"?

[20:28] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 10to me that is one of the most awesome scriptures, Zechariah, it holds true even today

[20:28] <Believer-VHL> HOPE CANT BE LOST

[20:28] <HostBob> The context is building the temple

[20:28] <Gramma-VHL> We need to not see the obstacle, but to see God's great power.

[20:28] <HostBob> LOL Believer

[20:28] <hands-VHL> 4meaning God is greatest, correct

[20:28] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Well, the Dome of the Rock will have to be torn down inorder for the Temple of David to go in it's original spot won't it?

[20:28] <Hope-VHL> No, not that lost, I mean lost in this conversation

[20:28] <HostBob> Yes, but what is the obstacle now??

[20:28] <HostBob> Yes, Uzzy!!!

[20:29] <HostBob> exactly!

[20:29] <HostBob> what is standing in the way?

[20:29] <uzzykim-VHL> 13:)

[20:29] <HostBob> and what does God say?

[20:29] <uzzykim-VHL> 13THE DOME OF THE ROCK

[20:29] <HostBob> "What are you, O mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground.

[20:29] <uzzykim-VHL> 13He will levell it

[20:29] <HostBob> LEVEL GROUND

[20:29] <HostBob> yes!!!

[20:29] <HostBob> 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty.

[20:29] <uzzykim-VHL> 13It will be destroyed

[20:29] <uzzykim-VHL> 13by God's Spirit

[20:29] <HostBob> Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of 'God bless it! God bless it!'"

[20:29] <Hope-VHL> Mount of Olives

[20:29] <HostBob> what is the capstone?

[20:29] <dj-VHL> 6What about he theory of different parts of the mount

[20:29] <dj-VHL> 6for building

[20:30] <HostBob> Yes, DJ, but even if that is true....

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[20:30] <Believer-VHL> mount of olives will be set appart at the coming of the Messiah

[20:30] <HostBob> the political situation would never allow it, currently, right?

[20:30] <dj-VHL> 6It is all up to God

[20:30] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Right Believer

[20:30] <light2-VHL> 3Is the capstone Christ?

[20:30] <Believer-VHL> we should build ourselves first, in faith

[20:30] <Hope-VHL> RIGHT BOB

[20:30] <dj-VHL> 6I believe that Bob

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[20:30] <HostBob> No, I believe it's the physical cornerstone

[20:30] <HostBob> that's just my opinion

[20:30] <dj-VHL> 6It's not time

[20:31] <Reb-VHL> I am interested in the return of the Lost Tribes issue and their return to Isreal

[20:31] <Believer-VHL> politics will never be more powerfull that us all together

[20:31] <Gramma-VHL> They already have the physical cornerstone, don't they?

[20:31] <dj-VHL> 6They are returning

[20:31] <uzzykim-VHL> 13The capstone and the cornerstone are believed to be one and the same

[20:31] <Reb-VHL> they must return , right?

[20:31] <dj-VHL> 6yes...

[20:31] <HostBob> Yes, Gramma, a group takes it up periodically

[20:31] <Believer-VHL> but the return to Israel is not only the physical return

[20:31] <HostBob> the "Temple Mount Faithful" headed by Gershom Soloman

[20:32] <dj-VHL> 6I've heard that Bob

[20:32] <Hope-VHL> Wait! I don't think the Dome of the Rock will be torn down......

[20:32] <Believer-VHL> why return to a land not having faith in what it is written about that land

[20:32] <HostBob> No, hope?

[20:32] <Reb-VHL> This I don't know about..elaborate

[20:32] <HostBob> Why not?

[20:32] <light2-VHL> 3Ps 118: 22 says the stone is Christ

[20:32] <dj-VHL> 6I don't really either... but you never know...Hope

[20:32] <HostBob> Yes, believer

[20:32] <Believer-VHL> the rock, the corner stone is jesus himself

[20:32] <Gramma-VHL> It can be torn down supernaturally. Right?

[20:33] <HostBob> Yes, believer

[20:33] <uzzykim-VHL> 13It will have to be Hope if the Temple is to be rebuilt in it's original spot.

[20:33] <Believer-VHL> we are all living stones fitted together for the house of the lord

[20:33] <HostBob> Well, let's speculate...

[20:33] <dj-VHL> 6if they build it in its original spot

[20:33] <Believer-VHL> the real temple is going to be built up

[20:33] <HostBob> if, as I believe will happen, the new "Palestinian state" joins Syria in the war...

[20:33] <Hope-VHL> No, my thoughts were that the Temple would be built close by but not directly in that spot, I thought this was already proven....I don't think the Jews are waiting for the Dome to fall in order to build

[20:33] <hands-VHL> 4can there be an if dj?

[20:33] <Believer-VHL> but without faith what is a temple for?

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[20:34] <HostBob> Welcome Gran!

[20:34] <dj-VHL> 6What if they tear it down in the guise of the one world religion....?

[20:34] <Believer-VHL> the dome we have to crash down

[20:34] <dj-VHL> 6they will rebuild it that is for sure

[20:34] <Hope-VHL> I'll be right back, I'm going to go look up something

[20:34] <Believer-VHL> the dome is an abomination unto god

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> ;-)4Hi Bob and all sorry I am late family stuff

[20:35] <dj-VHL> 6yes Believer

[20:35] <Gramma-VHL> Bob, continue what you started to say. OK?

[20:35] <HostBob> Glad to see you, Gran!

[20:35] <HostBob> Ok.....

[20:35] <Believer-VHL> it has been sitted on the holy of holies

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[20:35] <HostBob> well, if "Palestine" joins Syria in the war....

[20:35] <Believer-VHL> the same place when it was the temple that salomon built

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 4glad to be here just hate to be late did not see the time

[20:35] <HostBob> thinking to capture Jerusalem which they did not receive in the "peace process"...

[20:35] <Believer-VHL> from syria comes the enemy

[20:36] <HostBob> they will, of course, be soundly defeated, and I think Zechariah hints of this

[20:36] <uzzykim-VHL> 13yes believer

[20:36] <Believer-VHL> jerusalem has to be cleanned up first,

[20:36] <hands-VHL> 4Hello TJTodd

[20:36] <Believer-VHL> by the power of god not by bombs

[20:36] <TJTODD> Hi hands

[20:36] <HostBob> Believer, didn't God use "bombs" in 1948?

[20:36] <bayoumama-VHL> 3Hi TJ:-)

[20:36] <Believer-VHL> there will be bombs but the dead will not enjoy the jerusalem god want to be

[20:36] <hands-VHL> 4jump in and hang on!

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 4I am somewhat surprised to the remarks by Shimon Peres

[20:37] <TJTODD> hi everyone

[20:37] <HostBob> Yes, Gran?

[20:37] <Believer-VHL> god's bombs are not nuclear

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 4about the palestinian state

[20:37] <dj-VHL> 6hi TJ

[20:37] <TJTODD> hi dj

[20:37] <HostBob> You mean insisting that Barak proclain clearly he is in favor of it, Gran?

[20:37] <Gramma-VHL> Hi TJ

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 4yes was reading the news via VHL

[20:38] <light2-VHL> 3God may let the wicked punish themselves with their own weapons!

[20:38] <HostBob> Yes, it's foolish to show all of your cards at the beginning, huh?

[20:38] <dj-VHL> 6true -- light

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[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 4thats for sure

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[20:39] <Hope-VHL> The Muslim Dome of the rock mosque is thought by some to be on the temple mount, although the actual site of the original temple is thought by many scholars to be approximately a hundred yards or so northwest of that mosque, under the Dome of the Tablets, a location directly west of the Eastern or Golden Gate. This is what I read

[20:39] <HostBob> The Palestinians are still insisting on a retreat to the June 1967 lines

[20:39] <HostBob> Yes, Hope, there are different viewpoints on where it stood

[20:40] <HostBob> The Romans plowed the Temple Mount in 70 AD to obliterate any evidence

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 4well I do have a rather simplistic veiw of things and like what God did for Isreal in 1967 and do hate to see any changes

[20:40] <Hope-VHL> So this seems more likely, because (knowing the MUSLIMS)

[20:40] <Gramma-VHL> The Lord knows for sure and will see to it's building, huh?

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[20:40] <HostBob> Yes, Gramma

[20:40] <dj-VHL> 6I am sorry all -- I have to go... I had a great time.. God Bless You

[20:41] <HostBob> It's interesting to speculate all of these possibilities... but ultimate the Lord will work them all out according to His sovereign plan

[20:41] <light2-VHL> 3GodBless dj

[20:41] <Hope-VHL> By DJ, God Bless you

[20:41] <HostBob> thanks for joining us, DJ!!!

[20:41] <Gramma-VHL> Bye dj

[20:41] <dj-VHL> 6bye

[20:41] <TJTODD> bye dj

[20:41] <mac-VHL> what is the name of the tower near the Muslim Dome?

[20:41] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 10bye dj

[20:41] <uzzykim-VHL> 13continue with your "knowing the Muslims" thought Bob

[20:41] <Reb-VHL> Do you think the Faith of the Jews will have to be a Christian faith before they can build the temple?

[20:41] <hands-VHL> 42goodbyedj

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 4i have srn videos of the temple underground where supposedly they believe that the ARk of the covenant could be buried

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[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 4ceen

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 4seen

[20:42] <light2-VHL> 3No not if they plan on offering sacrafices Reb

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[20:42] <HostBob> was that my thought? LOL it's hard to keep up with so many tracks here :)

[20:42] <HostBob> Welcome, Sannda!!!

[20:42] <uzzykim-VHL> 13:)

[20:42] <Hope-VHL> I think it was mine Bob

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 4yes that is right Bob good so many are iinterested though

[20:42] <Gramma-VHL> The reason for all of God's wrath to come is because they aren't Christians, Reb.

[20:42] <HostBob> Well, Reb.... they were brought back in unbelief, right?

[20:43] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I sit corrected-it was Hope

[20:43] <HostBob> But it's interesting you say that, because...

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[20:43] <light2-VHL> 3They rejected the Messiah and their house was left to them desolate

[20:43] <HostBob> many religious Jews in 1948 and still some today would not support the founding of the state...

[20:43] <Hope-VHL> I meant, knowing the Muslims, there won't be any peace (not even pretending) if that Dome is destroyed

[20:43] <HostBob> because they said only Messiah could found the new Jewish state

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 4yes Bob I am dismayed over what so many in the Knesset want to do it is like anything for peace

[20:44] <uzzykim-VHL> 13There will be a New Jerusalem

[20:44] <light2-VHL> 3Well maybe then the real Jewish State will be the one Christ sets up when he comes here???

[20:44] <Reb-VHL> But what about the Messiannic Jewish bros....couldn't they be influencial?

[20:44] <Hope-VHL> Uzzykim, my husband is a former Muslim, that's why I kind of am familiar with their thoughts

[20:44] <HostBob> is it desparation? or some other motivation, Gran?

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 4also Arabs seem to be infuencial in the Knessit also

[20:44] <mac-VHL> does anybody know if the tower near the MUslim dome belongs to the Muslims are Israelis?

[20:45] <Hope-VHL> I'm not sure of that Mac

[20:45] <HostBob> Well, light, ultimately, the restored Jewish Kingdom will be set up by the Messiah - remember what he disciples asked just before He left?

[20:45] <HostBob> So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?" (Acts 1:6 NIV)

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 4Bob what do you know about the ruins found of the temple on or near the temple mount

[20:45] <HostBob> They knew it would happen, and they expected it then, apparently

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 4I reamember last year sometime the Muslims were having a fit because of the excavation of it

[20:46] <HostBob> what ruins, Gran? you mean the illegal exacavations that the Muslims were doing?

[20:46] <Hope-VHL> Just curious from last week, did anyone find any new info on "Elijah"

[20:46] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 10I woke up this morning with a thought on my mind, knowing that God knows when the end will come, and we have the signs of the times to give us a clue, have you ever thought about the last person to come into faith in Jesus. Is there a last believer.

[20:46] <HostBob> they took quite a few truckloads of dirt away

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[20:47] <Hope-VHL> It (I believe) would have to be a Jew

[20:47] <HostBob> What about Elijah, Hope?

[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 4no Bob it was the last temple that has been being dug for some time I have seen pictures or rather videws of it

[20:47] <hands-VHL> 2I believe that too hope

[20:48] <HostBob> Elijah is of course an integral part of the traditional Jewish passover sedar, right?

[20:48] <light2-VHL> 3The fullness of the Gentiles imbe

[20:48] <HostBob> no, I don't know Gran

[20:48] <Hope-VHL> That man they call a prophet , the one they deported out of Israel this past year

[20:48] <Gramma-VHL> Right, Bob.

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[20:48] <Gran-VHL> 4yes the one they all look for and set a place for and open the door for

[20:48] <HostBob> oh, no I did not, hope

[20:48] <HostBob> Welcome, Dave!!!

[20:49] <light2-VHL> 3He might be a false prophet I read his writings Hope

[20:49] <Reb-VHL> When Jesus took the cup...it was the cup of Elijah

[20:49] <Hope-VHL> Yea, this really wierd story...I'll get the site in a minute.....he even spoke with Barak

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 4Hope isn't he the one seen over here also lately

[20:49] <light2-VHL> 3He would not sign his name Elissha the tishbite

[20:49] <Hope-VHL> WHERE IS HE? Gran

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 4stange situation

[20:49] <HostBob> Plenty of weird so-called prophets around, huh?

[20:49] <dave-VHL> Hello Bob

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[20:50] <Gramma-VHL> Jesus said there would be many.

[20:50] <HostBob> Yes, Reb - tell us the significance, please

[20:50] <HostBob> yes, Gramma

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 4I can't remember just remember reading something about him attracting a crowd

[20:50] <light2-VHL> 3John the Baptist also came in the Spirit of Elijah and he did not call himself Elijah

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[20:50] <HostBob> right, light

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 4Jesus called him that

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 4but John never did

[20:50] <Hope-VHL> Yea, it's wierd, but you know that many jewish people really believe he's a prophet from God, and he's already said things that became true

[20:50] <light2-VHL> 3Right GRAn

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[20:51] <light2-VHL> 3Read his writings,

[20:51] <HostBob> by the way, if anyone asks a question or makes a comment that I miss.... please repeat it, ok?

[20:51] <light2-VHL> 3they are on the internet

[20:51] <uzzykim-VHL> 13http://dccsa.com/greatjoy/Elijmin.htmhttp://dccsa.com/greatjoy/Elijmin.htmv

[20:51] <HostBob> because with things flying fast and furious its hard to keep up with all of it :)

[20:51] <hands-VHL> 2I am really going to have to watch the news more!

[20:51] <Gramma-VHL> Where can you find his writings on the net?

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> 4I have not had TV since first of DEC so have not seen any news except on the WEB and have no details about this guy

[20:51] <light2-VHL> 3if we can remember it Bob:-)

[20:51] <gigi-VHL> I do not think The Elijah has yet arrived.

[20:51] <HostBob> :)

[20:51] <Hope-VHL> Is Elijah supposed to "poof" right into the scene or is he supposed to have been around for a while?

[20:52] <uzzykim-VHL> 13http://dccsa.com/greatjoy/Elijmin.htm

[20:52] <light2-VHL> 3Well I don't think he'll be taking hand outs and flying around the country

[20:52] <uzzykim-VHL> 13that's the Elijah site

[20:52] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 10has anyone heard of the writings of St. Thomas

[20:52] <HostBob> Well, Hope, assuming Elijah is one of the 2 witnesses...

[20:52] <HostBob> what does the Scriptures say?

[20:52] <hands-VHL> 2What is his real name?

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[20:52] <uzzykim-VHL> 13choke, cough

[20:52] <Hope-VHL> Oh, yeah,

[20:53] <gigi-VHL> Sorry, but I believe this guy is a fraud

[20:53] <uzzykim-VHL> 13me too gigi

[20:53] <Gramma-VHL> Thanks for the site info. I' ve got it written down now.

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 4me toooooooo

[20:53] <HostBob> the so-called Gospel of Thomas, Im?

[20:53] <Hope-VHL> Yea he probably is, but remember, we don't know exactly how God is going to send the prophets

[20:53] <hands-VHL> 2uzzykim, is that the web site to read about him or his web site?

[20:54] <Gramma-VHL> I don't think there will be any doubt of the real Elijah when the right time comes, do you?

[20:54] <Hope-VHL> No he doesn't have a web site, that I know of

[20:54] <light2-VHL> 3Well read Malichi 4 : 5,6 He turns the hearts of the Fathers to the children!!!

[20:54] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I do it's written in Revelations exactly how and when He will send them

[20:54] <gigi-VHL> I think that will be very obvious

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 4yes Gramma I believe that the Father will let us know in our spirits

[20:54] <Gramma-VHL> ARe you talking about the two witnesses, Uzzykim?

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[20:55] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I didn't know there was any other site but the one I gave.

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 4the witnesses yes in Rev. but we do not know who they are

[20:55] <light2-VHL> 3Of course that could have maybe be a prophecy of Christ since Father is singular??????

[20:55] <uzzykim-VHL> 13yes the Two Witnesses Gran

[20:55] <hands-VHL> 2what was that web site I can't scroll back ,uzzy

[20:55] <uzzykim-VHL> 13http://dccsa.com/greatjoy/Elijmin.htm

[20:55] <light2-VHL> 3NO I am wrong not singular

[20:55] <Gramma-VHL> No, He doesn't tell us who they are, but I don't think there will be any doubt when they come who they are.

[20:56] <HostBob> I suppose there will be dueling "prophets" huh? Like when Moses went to Pharoah? The false prophet will also be performing wonders, signs, and miracles

[20:56] <gigi-VHL> We are not in the Trib, and that is when the true Elijah is supposed to come

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[20:56] <Hope-VHL> IS that his site? I hope we're talking about the same person? LOL I only read articles on him, the site isn't written by him is it UZZYKIM

[20:56] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Right Gramma

[20:56] <light2-VHL> 3Uzzy do you think that guy is Elijah??

[20:56] <uzzykim-VHL> 13no it's written by a friend of his

[20:56] <HostBob> yes, Gigi, for 3 1/2 years, right?

[20:56] <light2-VHL> 3ok I just wondered

[20:56] <hands-VHL> 2thanks, uzzy

[20:56] <uzzykim-VHL> 13NO WAY light2!

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[20:56] <Hope-VHL> I got the information off of the tribnews.com site

[20:56] <gigi-VHL> right

[20:57] <light2-VHL> 3Whewwwww

[20:57] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Had you worried about me for a second huh light?

[20:57] <uzzykim-VHL> 13:)

[20:57] <light2-VHL> 3You have to really know Gods word so you are not tricked:-)

[20:57] <gigi-VHL> We are deep into the endtimes, and satan will use everything he can to fool us

[20:57] <uzzykim-VHL> 13tribnews.com site?

[20:57] <HostBob> What about this topic, since it's that time of year..... Passover - what are the historic, symbolic, and prophetic implications?

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[20:58] <HostBob> Welcome, Coolhair!

[20:58] <uzzykim-VHL> 13:) light2

[20:58] <gigi-VHL> including the Lord's Own Word...need discernment

[20:58] <Hope-VHL> I'd love to hear it Bob

[20:58] <HostBob> No, Hope, I'm waiting for YOUR thoughts :) (the group)

[20:58] <light2-VHL> 3One thing for sure the world is going to hate these prophect who are to coem

[20:58] <uzzykim-VHL> 13That Christ could return on Resurrection Sunday?

[20:58] <light2-VHL> 3come

[20:58] <Gramma-VHL> Me, too, Bob.

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[20:59] <CoolHair1> update me on the topic

[20:59] <light2-VHL> 3I have a theory on Christ return

[20:59] <Hope-VHL> Uzzykim, that's where I read about him

[20:59] <HostBob> You start, and I'll chime in :)

[20:59] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Let's hear it light2

[20:59] <HostBob> Well, we know that Paul called the Lord "our passover" right?

[20:59] <gigi-VHL> I have read that some Biblical scholars believe the unveiling of the antichrist will be on a passover as he presents himself as the lamb (albeit a false lamb)

[20:59] <hands-VHL> 2I do believe the moon will really bleed

[21:00] <CoolHair1> why do you say on the passover

[21:00] <HostBob> Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. (1 Corinthians 5:7 NIV)

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[21:00] <light2-VHL> 3Well if you study the feast days the jews were commanded to keep it pretty much tells you what God may be up to

[21:00] <HostBob> Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth. (1 Corinthians 5:8 NIV)

[21:00] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Exactly light2

[21:00] <HostBob> What is the signficance of the yeast?

[21:00] <HostBob> What did it symbolize?

[21:01] <gigi-VHL> that is, leaven

[21:01] <uzzykim-VHL> 13yeast makes bread rise

[21:01] <bayoumama-VHL> 3sin

[21:01] <light2-VHL> 3Say like right after the Day of Atonement comes

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 4sin

[21:01] <gigi-VHL> Leaven symbolizies sin

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[21:01] <HostBob> Yes, Bayou

[21:01] <Gramma-VHL> Sin.

[21:01] <hands-VHL> 2sin, that's right

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 4so we must all get rid of the siin in our own lives

[21:01] <HostBob> and Paul, urging them to live in purity, says, Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? (1 Corinthians 5:6 NIV)

[21:01] <Chosen-VHL> :-)6Hi Bob!

[21:02] <HostBob> Hi Chosen!!! Welcome!

[21:02] <Hope-VHL> So when exactly is passover?

[21:02] <Chosen-VHL> 6Hello everybody

[21:02] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 10hello Chosen

[21:02] <hands-VHL> 2it catches, Bob

[21:02] <Hope-VHL> Hi Chosen!

[21:02] <Gramma-VHL> Hi Chosen

[21:02] <gigi-VHL> Bayoumomma...where are you from? Louisiana?

[21:02] <hands-VHL> 2the yeast spreads thru out

[21:02] <light2-VHL> 3Is it the feast of trumpets Bob?

[21:02] <CoolHair1> Hi everyone

[21:02] <bayoumama-VHL> 3oklahoma

[21:02] <TJTODD> at sundown on the 19th is Passover

[21:02] <HostBob> Is what?

[21:02] <Chosen-VHL> 6Hello CoolHair!

[21:03] <Hope-VHL> Passover

[21:03] <gigi-VHL> Okay...I am originally from Louisiana...the reason I asked

[21:03] <Hope-VHL> I asked when exactly is Passover

[21:03] <hands-VHL> 2Hello chosen, oklahoma

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[21:03] <Gramma-VHL> I'm from OK, too, Bayou.

[21:03] <HostBob> no, Hope, they are separate

[21:03] <Chosen-VHL> 6Hello hands!

[21:03] <bayoumama-VHL> 3I live on the Bayou Creek in Oklahoma and Bayoumama is my CB handle

[21:03] <HostBob> different festivals

[21:03] <Hope-VHL> Oh Oh, I'm lost again.....when is passover

[21:04] <HostBob> hold on.. I'll paste from the Torah...

[21:04] <hands-VHL> 2when death passed over

[21:04] <TJTODD> Passover is a spring festival Trumpets is a fall festival.

[21:04] <bayoumama-VHL> 3sundown on April 19

[21:04] <HostBob> "Three times a year you are to celebrate a festival to me. (Exodus 23:14 NIV)

[21:04] <HostBob> "Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread; for seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in that month you came out of Egypt. "No one is to appear before me empty-handed. (Exodus 23:15 NIV)

[21:05] <light2-VHL> 3Then comes the feast of Tabernacles

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[21:05] <HostBob> "Celebrate the Feast of Harvest with the firstfruits of the crops you sow in your field. "Celebrate the Feast of Ingathering at the end of the year, when you gather in your crops from the field. (Exodus 23:16 NIV)

[21:05] <Hope-VHL> sorry, I meant this year.... the 19th

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[21:05] <light2-VHL> 3That may be the meant to be the time we are with the Lord

[21:05] <uzzykim-VHL> 13What's May 5th

[21:05] <HostBob> Three times a year all your men must appear before the LORD your God at the place he will choose: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks and the Feast of Tabernacles. No man should appear before the LORD empty-handed: (Deuteronomy 16:16 NIV)

[21:05] <Hope-VHL> The planet align

[21:05] <TJTODD> do what light???

[21:05] <Hope-VHL> sorry planets

[21:06] <HostBob> Feast of Unleavened Bread is Passover

[21:06] <HostBob> Feast of weeks is... what, everyone? :)

[21:06] <light2-VHL> 3Sorry cant spell! I think the feast of Tabernacles may represent our being gathered and with the Lord

[21:06] <gigi-VHL> Pentecost...feast of weeks

[21:07] <TJTODD> right light !

[21:07] <HostBob> Yes, light, some believe that the "Fall feasts" are symbolic of future evens

[21:07] <Hope-VHL> ?????Bob

[21:07] <HostBob> yes gigi :)

[21:07] <light2-VHL> 3Remember Christ kept to the times when he died he died at the Passover

[21:07] <CoolHair1> why are we still following old testament rules when Christ came and gave us new commandents to follow

[21:07] <TJTODD> the spring feasts were fulfilled by the Lord.

[21:07] <HostBob> Interesting, huh? look at the 2 already fulfilled

[21:07] <light2-VHL> 3So maybe the feast are a secret to the time line of events

[21:07] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Yes light

[21:08] <TJTODD> right light !!!

[21:08] <hands-VHL> 2secret??

[21:08] <HostBob> any coincidence that Jews from all over the world were there in Jerusalem when Christ our passover was sacrificed...

[21:08] <light2-VHL> 3Because cool Christ did not come to destroy the law and prophets but fullfill them

[21:08] <HostBob> and when the Holy Spirit was given to the Church?

[21:08] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Not so secret that we can't figure them out tho'

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[21:08] <HostBob> What rules, cool?

[21:09] <Gramma-VHL> Cool Hair 1, the prophecies of the end times deal with the Jews.

[21:09] <bayoumama-VHL> 3Jesus was our passover lamb and he instituted the Lord's Supper or communion to replace the passover feast

[21:09] <TJTODD> the fall festivals are yet to be fulfilled !

[21:09] <hands-VHL> 2Our God is God of order

[21:09] <HostBob> The feast were symbolic of things that Jesus would accomplish, Cool

[21:09] <HostBob> and some of them are yet to come

[21:09] <light2-VHL> 3Yes the and read how many different countries they had already been scatterd to when the gathered and are named on the Day of Penetecost

[21:09] <uzzykim-VHL> 13right Gramma

[21:09] <light2-VHL> 3Which by the way the Holy Spirit fell on that feast day!!!!!!

[21:09] <HostBob> Yes, light!

[21:10] <gigi-VHL> SEE EXODUS 19.....A PARALLEL

[21:10] <HostBob> yes, Gigi? tell us :)

[21:10] <TJTODD> no bayou he didn' t institute the Lord's supper, he celebrated the Passover.

[21:10] <HostBob> I'm not letting you off that easy :)

[21:10] <hands-VHL> 2I don't believe the end times are ONLY about the Jews

[21:10] <gigi-VHL> THE LORD CAME DOWN AND MOSES WENT UP......THE LORD "MARRIED" ISRAEL

[21:11] <uzzykim-VHL> 13We are in the end times right now.

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[21:11] <uzzykim-VHL> 13The beginnings of the birth pangs

[21:11] <Gramma-VHL> Well, the times of the Gentiles do have to be completed.

[21:11] <hands-VHL> 2yes we are

[21:11] <TJTODD> hands, was not the Lord Jewish?

[21:11] <gigi-VHL> NO, THEY ARE NOT, but they surely point the way

[21:11] <uzzykim-VHL> 13but not the Tribuolation yet

[21:11] <light2-VHL> 3To this day the Jews are seeking to creat their own righteousness and have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God

[21:11] <light2-VHL> 3Who is Christ

[21:11] <Hope-VHL> The beginning of the birth pangs are the start of the Tribulation

[21:11] <hands-VHL> 2The lord was ans is God and God is Spirit

[21:11] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Right hope-I'm corrected again

[21:11] <uzzykim-VHL> 13:)

[21:11] <CoolHair1> Christ is the anointed one

[21:12] <gigi-VHL> 11the trib starts with the confirmation of the covenant not the rapture

[21:12] <hands-VHL> 2Lord and

[21:12] <Hope-VHL> :-)

[21:12] <CoolHair1> where does it refer to the rapture in the bible?

[21:12] <gigi-VHL> 11sorry about the aqua...my fingers slipped and started a color revolution

[21:12] <Hope-VHL> LOL

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[21:13] <TJTODD> hands, the Jews and non jews will have to bcome one in Messiah.

[21:13] <HostBob> Whew!!! What a color! :)

[21:13] <hands-VHL> 2being catch away to met him in the clouds

[21:13] <Chosen-VHL> 6Great is the Lord and greatly to be praised in the city of our God and on His holy mountain!

[21:13] <Gramma-VHL> Cool Hair, it doesn't refer to it by name.

[21:13] <Hope-VHL> I agree GIGI

[21:13] <hands-VHL> 2caught rather

[21:13] <CoolHair1> Thanks Gramma

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> 4:where did you all go;-)

[21:13] <uzzykim-VHL> 13We all have different opinions on when the Tribulation starts. I personally believe that the Rapture happens, then 6 months of peace between Israel and the Antichristst then the Tribulation starts.

[21:13] <gigi-VHL> my system states "black" but i am coming up aqua

[21:13] <HostBob> Some of us believe that the rapture and the 2nd coming are one in the same :)

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> 4I had to get off to find you

[21:13] <gigi-VHL> there we go

[21:13] <HostBob> You're looking just fine, gigi :)

[21:14] <Chosen-VHL> 6do you believe that way Bob?

[21:14] <Hope-VHL> AMEN BOB

[21:14] <HostBob> I lean towards post, yeah

[21:14] <CoolHair1> When Christ was on earth, did he refer to a rapture?

[21:14] <HostBob> is that the same as leaning towards the post?

[21:14] <Hope-VHL> BUT I don't believe we will see the wrath of God

[21:14] <HostBob> sorry, dumb joke :)

[21:14] <Gramma-VHL> Me, too, Bob. The more I study it.

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 4Not me the word says that the Lord will come in the clouds and call us up to him as I recall

[21:14] <Chosen-VHL> 6LOL

[21:14] <gigi-VHL> I believe the rapture, then sometime after that the trib, then the second coming

[21:14] <uzzykim-VHL> 13The word Rapture isn't in the Bible but the event is 1Thess.4:16-17

[21:15] <HostBob> Yes, it is, Kim :)

[21:15] <gigi-VHL> just like the word trinity

[21:15] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Where?

[21:15] <gigi-VHL> the concept is there

[21:15] <HostBob> Here's what I'm convinced of - we all need to keep searching the Scriptures :)

[21:15] <Gran-VHL> 4I believe that the word given is to caught up to be with Him iin the air

[21:15] <hands-VHL> 2thanks right Gran

[21:15] <light2-VHL> 3the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

[21:15] <uzzykim-VHL> 13It's not in my KJV:)

[21:15] <Gran-VHL> 4the great snatch some call it <g>

[21:15] <TJTODD> gigi where is the word trinity in the Bible?

[21:15] <gigi-VHL> anticipating to see the Lord soooonn, oh yes

[21:15] <hands-VHL> 2that's rather

[21:15] <Chosen-VHL> 6Wouldn't we be surprised if none of us were correct about end times?! :-)

[21:16] <HostBob> None of us are, Chosen :)

[21:16] <Gramma-VHL> Jesus says that only the Father knows for sure.

[21:16] <gigi-VHL> It isn't...that is what i said...trinity is a concept in the Bible but the word is not

[21:16] <light2-VHL> 3Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[21:16] <Chosen-VHL> 6I think you are right on Bob! No pun intended!

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[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 4no not trinity but the three parts of the Godhead, Father, Son and Holy Spriti

[21:16] <hands-VHL> 2better to air toward right, chosen

[21:17] <bayoumama-VHL> 3light 2, where will the Lord be then?

[21:17] <HostBob> Amen Light!

[21:17] <uzzykim-VHL> 13So enlighten us Bob and Chosen. how can the Rapture and the Second Coming be one and the same event? What happened to the Tribulation?

[21:17] <HostBob> So let's "encourage each other with those words", right?

[21:17] <Hope-VHL> JUST IN CASE, we better be willing to die for our FAITH!

[21:17] <TJTODD> trinity is from the pagan religions. study them and you'll find out . gigi

[21:17] <HostBob> Yes, Hope

[21:17] <uzzykim-VHL> 13bayoumamma, in the clouds His feet won't touch earth

[21:17] <Gran-VHL> 4amen uzzykim

[21:17] <gigi-VHL> see psalm 2

[21:18] <HostBob> Nothing happened to it, Kim :) It's gonna happen :)

[21:18] <Chosen-VHL> 6We need to be willing to die for our Lord...as He died for us!

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 4amen chosen

[21:18] <bayoumama-VHL> 3my Bible says his feet will touch down at the same place he left the earth

[21:18] <hands-VHL> 2amen

[21:18] <Gramma-VHL> I need to go now. Have REALLY enjoyed the chat. The Lord bless.

[21:18] <HostBob> TJ, what you are saying is a departure from orthodox Christianity

[21:18] <HostBob> See ya Gramma!

[21:18] <Chosen-VHL> 6bless you gramma

[21:18] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Okay maybe a better question would be when in your timeline does everything take place/

[21:19] <Hope-VHL> Uzzykim there are a few books that you might find interesting....The Rapture Question Answered Plain and Simple by Robert Van Kampen and The Pre-Wrath rapture of the Church by Marvin Rosenthal......

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[21:19] <gigi-VHL> see Isaiah 48:16

[21:19] <HostBob> I don't have a timeline - I'm still trying to figure out the Lords' timeline :)

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[21:19] <hands-VHL> 2I believe it's return in the same manner not actually touch the same dirt

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[21:19] <TJTODD> do what Bob ?

[21:19] <Chosen-VHL> 6What man can know the mysteries of the Almight God?

[21:19] <maranatha-VHL> 2Yes!!!!! Those are wonderful books, Hope.

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 4not for us to figure the Lords timeline

[21:19] <hands-VHL> 2bye gramma

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 4just to be ready whenever

[21:20] <HostBob> Welcome, Mule!!!

[21:20] <Mule-VHL> hello

[21:20] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Those are just books written by man. I read the book written by God and the Holy Spirit within me tells me what I need to know.

[21:20] <HostBob> Nice to have a pack animal around! :)

[21:20] <gigi-VHL> This is a great forum...even though we all do not agree on eschatology, we are at least reading the Word and discussing the only True God

[21:20] <HostBob> That's good Kim! Keep doing that :)

[21:20] <Chosen-VHL> 6Bob:)

[21:20] <HostBob> Yes, Gigi :)

[21:20] <Mule-VHL> TO help carry the load

[21:20] <Hope-VHL> No Uzzykim, the books compare it exactly to the Bible.......I used to be a pretriber for 33 years

[21:20] <HostBob> :) Mule :)

[21:21] <Chosen-VHL> 6You are a good obedient Mule then? Not stubborn? :)

[21:21] <maranatha-VHL> 2uzzy well they would help you understand,

[21:21] <Mule-VHL> oh yes well trained

[21:21] <Chosen-VHL> 6:)

[21:21] <uzzykim-VHL> 13! Thes. 5:9

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[21:21] <HostBob> Here's a good mule verse .... :)

[21:21] <gigi-VHL> Mule, huh? I should have that handle

[21:21] <uzzykim-VHL> 131Thes.5:9

[21:21] <HostBob> Do not be like the horse or the mule, which have no understanding but must be controlled by bit and bridle or they will not come to you. (Psalms 32:9 NIV)

[21:21] <HostBob> Many are the woes of the wicked, but the Lord's unfailing love surrounds the man who trusts in him. (Psalms 32:10 NIV)

[21:21] <hands-VHL> 2hello jazene

[21:21] <gigi-VHL> that is good

[21:21] <CoolHair1> good verse bob

[21:22] <HostBob> Welcome, Jazene!

[21:22] <jazene-VHL> good evening all

[21:22] <Chosen-VHL> 6yes Bob

[21:22] <Hope-VHL> HI Jazene!!!

[21:22] <gigi-VHL> Hello

[21:22] <maranatha-VHL> 2Uzzy thats talking about HIS wrath.

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 4why did you chose the handle mule, MULE?

[21:22] <light2-VHL> 3Just remember brother and sisters, that the Jews rejected Jesus, because they did not see the secret plan of God to Have Him Die

[21:22] <uzzykim-VHL> 13understand what, maranatha?

[21:22] <Mule-VHL> I'm from Missouri

[21:22] <HostBob> I've played the mule part way too often myself - it's a hard way to live

[21:22] <maranatha-VHL> 2What you were talking about. :)

[21:22] <uzzykim-VHL> 13What is the Tribulation if not God's wrath poured out on Israel?

[21:22] <light2-VHL> 3And God may have secrets for His Bride also

[21:22] <HostBob> no, Kim

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 4oh you have to be shown huh well thats good then

[21:23] <gigi-VHL> They were looking for the King instead of the Servant, but they are still the Lord's people

[21:23] <HostBob> if you make statements like that Kim, be prepared to show Scripture

[21:23] <Chosen-VHL> 6Bob, where is your Host crown tonight?

[21:23] <jazene-VHL> hi hope

[21:23] <jazene-VHL> hi gran

[21:23] <HostBob> it fell off, Chosen :)

[21:23] <Mule-VHL> show me the way and I will follow

[21:23] <Chosen-VHL> 6uh oh

[21:23] <HostBob> :)

[21:23] <Hope-VHL> Satans wrath is the first half.....why would God compete with Satan....the antichrist will put out all of his wrath and then God will show HIS

[21:23] <Chosen-VHL> 6you've been dethroned?

[21:23] <maranatha-VHL> 2Rev 6:17 The Great day of his Wrath has come

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 4the first 3 1/2 years the anti christ makes war

[21:23] <maranatha-VHL> 2YEAH HOPE!!!!!

[21:24] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Why you haven't to prove your position

[21:24] <Chosen-VHL> 6i was joking bob!

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 4then the wrath of God will come

[21:24] <Chosen-VHL> 6:)

[21:24] <maranatha-VHL> 2What?

[21:24] <uzzykim-VHL> 13That's talking about the Wrath of the Lamb

[21:24] <HostBob> I think, that we all get way too caught up in little "catch phrases" that are a hinderance to true understanding

[21:24] <HostBob> :)

[21:24] <HostBob> I know Chosen :)

[21:24] <Chosen-VHL> 6I agree Bob!

[21:24] <maranatha-VHL> 2Exactly, when does it say that the first half is Gods wrath?

[21:24] <hands-VHL> 2I agree

[21:24] <CoolHair1> Gran, I think scriptures says that the first 3 1/2 years that there is peace, then war by the antichrist

[21:25] <HostBob> We have read the books, they have their neat little systems and graphs

[21:25] <uzzykim-VHL> 13That's right cool

[21:25] <Hope-VHL> I'm not going to try to prove any position....we are free to believe what we want.....just in case my position is right though, I'm ready to die for my Saviour!

[21:25] <light2-VHL> 3If God wants His plan revealed to His Servants, I am sure he will be able to do it

[21:25] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Me too hope

[21:25] <HostBob> Amen, Hope!!

[21:25] <Chosen-VHL> 6You Go Hope!

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> 4yes and i couldn't change it once it was up there. think I need to go study somemore

[21:25] <uzzykim-VHL> 13AMEN light2

[21:25] <light2-VHL> 3We should all be ready to die Hope

[21:25] <light2-VHL> 3At all times

[21:26] <hands-VHL> 2The point is to be ready no matter the date or order of events

[21:26] <HostBob> I learn all the time as I am reading the Scriptures things about the end times that I was looking at incorrectly before

[21:26] <HostBob> Yes, hands!!

[21:26] <light2-VHL> 3For we could be persecuted for our faith at any time by our government

[21:26] <HostBob> yes

[21:26] <uzzykim-VHL> 13That's right light2

[21:26] <Hope-VHL> I WISH I could be raptured before........but I can't believe that before...all I know is that I won't go through GOD's WRATH

[21:26] <gigi-VHL> we have already been marginalized by the government

[21:26] <Gran-VHL> 4I always beleieve that i can die for him I only hope that when that tiime comes i will not hesitate

[21:26] <maranatha-VHL> 2Amen Hope!

[21:26] <light2-VHL> 3Amen Hands and also be filled with the Spirit at all times

[21:26] <Chosen-VHL> 6Satan believes in his cause....look at how he works and maneuvers his ways into our lives! We should be just as sold on our cause which is Christ Jesus!

[21:27] <HostBob> OK, here's a topic.... since we are near Passover....

[21:27] <jazene-VHL> amen to that all

[21:27] <CoolHair1> Chosen, you are sooo right, we should be!!!

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[21:27] <Hope-VHL> Yea, Gran

[21:27] <light2-VHL> 3You don't get the ticket Gran till you board the Train.

[21:27] <HostBob> parallels between what happened in Egypt and what will happen when the Lord returns

[21:27] <hands-VHL> 2oh yea, light:-)

[21:27] <HostBob> good topic?

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 4yea amen light 2

[21:27] <uzzykim-VHL> 13AMEN light2

[21:27] <HostBob> Welcome, Mytan!

[21:27] <Chosen-VHL> 6go for it Bob

[21:27] <HostBob> A key verse....

[21:27] <HostBob> "As in the days when you came out of Egypt, I will show them my wonders." (Micah 7:15 NIV)

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 4on with it BOB we want to hear it

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[21:28] <imbecomingnew-VHL> I don't think anyone knows how they will react until the test come.

[21:28] <Hope-VHL> yea Bob, but another new one for me, I love to learn though

[21:28] <HostBob> What was God's purpose in hardening Pharoahs heart?

[21:28] <mytan-VHL> thank you, glad to be here. Sorry we are late

[21:28] <HostBob> do your remember?

[21:28] <jazene-VHL> hello mytan

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> 4to show Gods glory

[21:28] <CoolHair1> to display his might], might and power .

[21:28] <HostBob> But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in Egypt, (Exodus 7:3 NIV)

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> 4and to get Israel moviing

[21:28] <light2-VHL> 3To show his glory Bob

[21:28] <HostBob> he will not listen to you. Then I will lay my hand on Egypt and with mighty acts of judgment I will bring out my divisions, my people the Israelites. (Exodus 7:4 NIV)

[21:28] <Hope-VHL> that's right imbecom.... I just pray for boldness and courage

[21:28] <HostBob> Yes, to show His Glory!

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[21:28] <gigi-VHL> I think, Bob, in order to show HIs glory and make sure eveyone would know He was their Deliverer

[21:29] <HostBob> And what will be doiing on "His day"?

[21:29] <CoolHair1> He also wanted to fulfill his will and purpose

[21:29] <HostBob> Showing His glory

[21:29] <mytan-VHL> Hey Jazene

[21:29] <Chosen-VHL> 6And to show His glory not just to Egypt but to the children of Israel who maybe forgot what His Glory was and His power

[21:29] <HostBob> Hardening the heart, if you will, of all who did not love the truth, sending them a "powerful delusion" according to Paul

[21:30] <HostBob> so that His glory will be displayed through His wonders

[21:30] <gigi-VHL> who willingly rejects the truth

[21:30] <CoolHair1> The same will happen toward the end with this last generation

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 4I used to think that the Jews were so dumb to want to go back to Egypt but now I see that we never knew how we will react in any given situation We are human

[21:30] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Many Jewish hearts are already hardened to the Truth

[21:31] <gigi-VHL> that is right, gran..sometimes we prefer our bondages, don't we, because they are Known

[21:31] <HostBob> Speaking prophetically: "Come and see the works of the LORD, the desolations he has brought on the earth. (Psalms 46:8 NIV)

[21:31] <Chosen-VHL> 6This generation is just like the children of Israel....stubborn, rebellious, grumbling and complaining, forgetting what God's power is like, self-focused, etc., etc.

[21:31] <mytan-VHL> Yes. Sending a strong delusion, so that even the very elect will be fooled.

[21:31] <hands-VHL> 2many have always been

[21:31] <light2-VHL> 3So if just " Believing in Christ" saved you , you would not be fooled , would you Bob?????

[21:31] <HostBob> LORD, I have heard of your fame; I stand in awe of your deeds, O LORD. Renew them in our day, in our time make them known; in wrath remember mercy. (Habakkuk 3:2 NIV)

[21:31] <TJTODD> kim, do you not like the jewish people?

[21:31] <imbecomingnew-VHL> not just the jews, kim, but many in the world

[21:31] <Hope-VHL> That's right Chosen

[21:31] <Gran-VHL> 4Bob and all good to be with you this PM but I neead to go. See you all later God bless

[21:31] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I love all people

[21:31] <jazene-VHL> well is'nt that the way God said it would be in the end times.

[21:32] <HostBob> Bye Gran - thanks for coming!

[21:32] <light2-VHL> 3You have to believe in a blood atonement don't you?

[21:32] <jazene-VHL> goodnite gran

[21:32] <hands-VHL> 2God is doin' a new thang

[21:32] <CoolHair1> True Gran, we are human, but we are to walk in the spirit

[21:32] <Chosen-VHL> 6We can read the Word about what the children of Israel went through and wonder "how could they do that"....when we are too blind to see that we arre the same as they were!

[21:32] <CoolHair1> Good night Gran!!!!

[21:32] <light2-VHL> 3How else will they not endure sound doctrine?

[21:32] <hands-VHL> 2bye gran

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> 4night Bob Oh, I am a Christian Zionist how many are there here

[21:32] <gigi-VHL> me!!

[21:32] <HostBob> :) Gran

[21:32] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I just keep thinking about Jesus when it said "His own received Him not"

[21:33] <mytan-VHL> Good night Gran

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 4I just found out that I are one

[21:33] <HostBob> Along this line, speaking of the revealing of the Lord's glory, do you all know what the key phrase of Ezekiel is, repeated over many times?

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 4didn't know what i was before

[21:33] <HostBob> :) Gran

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 4just love Isreal

[21:33] <jazene-VHL> explain what is a Christian Zionist

[21:33] <light2-VHL> 3And end up being decieved by the Anti-Christ

[21:33] <gigi-VHL> me, too

[21:33] <Hope-VHL> I LOVE JEWISH People......and I'm part Arab!!!

[21:33] <CoolHair1> Good Night Eveyone!!!

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 4Bye again just have to have the last word

[21:33] <HostBob> I don't think it' s so important what we call ourselves, right?

[21:33] <Chosen-VHL> 6Good night Cool!

[21:33] <light2-VHL> 3What is key phrase Bob

[21:33] <gigi-VHL> gran, say zionist christian...i had someone think i was saying christian scientist!!

[21:34] <hands-VHL> 2good nite cool hair

[21:34] <Hope-VHL> That's right Bob

[21:34] <HostBob> "Then the will know that I am the LORD" - Ezekiel - over and over and over

[21:34] <Gran-VHL> 4one who loves isreal and wants to help here however one can i would be there if I were able

[21:34] <light2-VHL> 3That is interesting

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[21:34] <Gran-VHL> 4well I got the term last week right here on VHL

[21:34] <HostBob> A "Christian Zionist" is a believer who supports Israel and believes that God's promise to Israel will still be fulfilled

[21:35] <gigi-VHL> amen

[21:35] <Gran-VHL> 4so copied off the report about us

[21:35] <hands-VHL> 2It's most important to be:BLOOD BOUGHT!SOLD OUT WITH YOUR EYES TO THE SKY!!

[21:35] <uzzykim-VHL> 13God's promise being.../

[21:35] <light2-VHL> 3So many now call themselves Christians, but do not believe Christ and His atonement alone saves

[21:35] <Gran-VHL> 4sorry all God Bless I will shut up and leave

[21:35] <light2-VHL> 3They add works

[21:35] <gigi-VHL> Israel will finally occupy the entire land of promise

[21:35] <light2-VHL> 3and it is a dangerous road

[21:35] <Chosen-VHL> 6the term "Christian" is very loosely used by many

[21:35] <HostBob> I had an interesting discussion this week on the VHL forum this week with a man who call Christian Zionism "propaganda"

[21:35] <gigi-VHL> King Jesus will rule from Zion

[21:35] <HostBob> Yes, light

[21:35] <HostBob> AMEN GIGI!!!!

[21:36] <Hope-VHL> AMEN CHOSEN!!!!

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[21:36] <light2-VHL> 3What is that Bob?

[21:36] <Hope-VHL> I like the term TRUE BELIEVER

[21:36] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I am sre where I'm going and I'm not afraid of death.

[21:36] <HostBob> Take a look at the VHL forum some time and you will see our discussion

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[21:36] <gigi-VHL> true believers dimply cannot exclude the Jews

[21:36] <HostBob> dimply? :)

[21:36] <gigi-VHL> sorry..simply

[21:37] <HostBob> :)

[21:37] <light2-VHL> 3Perfect Love casts out fear

[21:37] <TJTODD> me too Hope

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[21:37] <Chosen-VHL> 6I like knowing I have been adopted by God through the shed blood of His precious son Jesus!

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[21:37] <light2-VHL> 3And when Christ said it is finished, He meant just that we add nothing to what he has done

[21:37] <hands-VHL> 2YES!

[21:37] <HostBob> Yes, Chosen!

[21:37] <HostBob> Amen, Light!

[21:37] <jazene-VHL> AMEN to that one Chosen

[21:37] <gigi-VHL> that is it...adopted...we are fortunate to be graftees

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[21:38] <jazene-VHL> I don't care what I am Called as long as I go.

[21:38] <hands-VHL> 2AMEN

[21:38] <Chosen-VHL> 6Anyone who tries to add or take away from the Holy Word of God....woe to him!

[21:38] <light2-VHL> 3What is Christian Zionism Bob??

[21:38] <hands-VHL> 2right

[21:38] <gigi-VHL> I care what I am called....that means a lot...even the Lord changed names in the Word

[21:39] <gigi-VHL> Abram to Abraham......labels are important...

[21:39] <Chosen-VHL> 6and the Lord has named each one of us!

[21:39] <Hope-VHL> Lately I'm witnessing more than ever and not worrying to much about myself.....people are lost out there, we need to stay focused

[21:39] <HostBob> Light, I could not give a full definition - take a look, there is a comprehensive definition of it on VHL

[21:39] <hands-VHL> 2but you'll get a new name and body!

[21:39] <light2-VHL> 3Yess gigi and we are also not to dispise the root to which we are grafted to'

[21:39] <hands-VHL> 2I can't wait

[21:39] <gigi-VHL> and need both!!

[21:39] <uzzykim-VHL> 13As long as my name is written in the Book of Life I don't care what people call me!

[21:39] <light2-VHL> 3Oh ok is it good or bad?

[21:39] <gigi-VHL> that is the reason we should support Israel

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[21:40] <HostBob> It's good - it's those of us who support Israel, basically

[21:40] <light2-VHL> 3Amen uzz

[21:40] <gigi-VHL> would you want them to call you an atheist, kim

[21:40] <light2-VHL> 3Oh ok, I'm, ignorant!!

[21:40] <gigi-VHL> would that matter to you

[21:40] <HostBob> Zionism historically was the belief that God would restore Israel to the land

[21:40] <hands-VHL> 2does anyone here not support all God's work?

[21:40] <maranatha-VHL> 29Bob, I'm entering the conversation late. Has anything happened to indicate the beginning of the sacrifices anytime soon in Jerusaleum?

[21:40] <Chosen-VHL> 6Does anybody have any concept of how Holy God is? He must get a kick out of us trying to figure out His ways and plans!! :)

[21:41] <mytan-VHL> 8The Jews are still His chosen people and there will come a time when He will work with them again. We are to love them and support them.

[21:41] <uzzykim-VHL> 13If that's what they believe-but then they obviosly would'nt know me very well. :)

[21:41] <HostBob> and Christian Zionism means that we believe that the Kingdom will be restored to Israel, with King Jesus ruling from Zion

[21:41] <gigi-VHL> it is a worthy endeavor

[21:41] <HostBob> I can't read some of those colors :)

[21:41] <HostBob> Yes, Mytan :)

[21:41] <mytan-VHL> 812I see that now

[21:41] <gigi-VHL> kim, to each his own,

[21:41] <Hope-VHL> YELLOW IS NOT VERY GOOD

[21:41] <HostBob> No, maranatha, no developments that I know of

[21:41] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I have been called worse names than athiest.

[21:42] <light2-VHL> 3Yes dump yellow

[21:42] <maranatha-VHL> 915Sorry, I asked if anything is happening in Jerusaleum concerning the sacrifices on the temple mount?

[21:42] <light2-VHL> 3,cant read it

[21:42] <hands-VHL> 2We can't really control what other call us and not long from now the world won't have any nice words to call us

[21:42] <Chosen-VHL> 6Did it ever occur to anyone that nothing ever occurs to God?

[21:42] <gigi-VHL> sorry to hear that

[21:42] <light2-VHL> 3try using the B for bold

[21:42] <HostBob> OK, I'm being bold now :)

[21:42] <gigi-VHL> go bob go

[21:42] <Hope-VHL> LOL

[21:42] <Chosen-VHL> 6:)

[21:43] <light2-VHL> 3:-) Bless you

[21:43] <jazene-VHL> That's the way we are all supposed to be is BOLD

[21:43] <HostBob> Maranatha, I have not heard anything

[21:43] <hands-VHL> 2cool!:-) choosen

[21:43] <gigi-VHL> May the Lord Jesus shower all with blessings and favor....good night

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[21:43] <maranatha-VHL> 1512Oh okay thanks, I didn't think that you could read my question in the lime!

[21:43] <Chosen-VHL> 6good night gigi

[21:43] <light2-VHL> 3good nite gigi, God Bless

[21:43] <HostBob> See ya Gigi!!!!

[21:43] <mytan-VHL> 12Goodnight gigi

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[21:44] <HostBob> Welcome Saint!

[21:44] <light2-VHL> 3You were tired of being a Limey huh

[21:44] <hands-VHL> 2good night gigi

[21:44] <Hope-VHL> Nite Gigi, God bless

[21:44] <Saint-VHL> hello :)

[21:44] <HostBob> The generic Saint appears :)

[21:44] <Chosen-VHL> 6:)

[21:44] <Hope-VHL> Hi Saint!!!! Welcome

[21:44] <HostBob> Here is a cool verse about Passover...

[21:44] <maranatha-VHL> 12Yes:-)

[21:44] <Hope-VHL> :-)

[21:44] <HostBob> You performed miraculous signs and wonders in Egypt and have continued them to this day, both in Israel and among all mankind, and have gained the renown that is still yours. You brought your people Israel out of Egypt with signs and wonders, by a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with great terror. (Jeremiah 32:20-21 NIV)

[21:44] <hands-VHL> 2go

[21:45] <light2-VHL> 3He's cutting and pasting

[21:45] <light2-VHL> 3sorry pasteing

[21:45] <HostBob> Cool, huh! God has gained the renown that belongs to Him!

[21:45] <maranatha-VHL> 12You had it right the first time light2

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[21:45] <Hope-VHL> WHAT

[21:46] <light2-VHL> 3Hey where is our verse????

[21:46] <maranatha-VHL> 12Cool, what?

[21:46] <HostBob> Doing wonders, that continue to this day

[21:46] <hands-VHL> 2are you stalling?

[21:46] <HostBob> both in Israel and among all mankind

[21:46] <uzzykim-VHL> 13where's that verse?

[21:46] <hands-VHL> 2:-)

[21:46] <HostBob> Me, hand?

[21:46] <Chosen-VHL> 6Yes, His wonders....and we have yet to see the even mightier wonders He will display!

[21:46] <HostBob> :)

[21:46] <HostBob> Amen, Chosen!!!

[21:47] <HostBob> the best is yet to come!!!!

[21:47] <hands-VHL> 2yes sir, you sir:-)

[21:47] <HostBob> LOL nah...

[21:47] <Chosen-VHL> 6I believe that too

[21:47] <mytan-VHL> 12I agree!!!!

[21:47] <HostBob> I think I missed something :)

[21:47] <Hope-VHL> ME TOO

[21:47] <jazene-VHL> me too!!!

[21:47] <maranatha-VHL> 12me too!!!

[21:47] <light2-VHL> 3Me three

[21:47] <HostBob> :)

[21:47] <Chosen-VHL> 6Well Bob, you didn't miss the rapture because we are all still here! :)

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[21:48] <jazene-VHL> Amen

[21:48] <HostBob> :)

[21:48] <Hope-VHL> Be right back!

[21:48] <HostBob> ok, here's a news item...

[21:48] <light2-VHL> 3Where is the verse about the passover?

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[21:48] <HostBob> In a meeting with the Cabinet today, Prime Minister Barak stated his conditions for recognizing a Palestinian state. He said that Israel will grant recognition to such a state only if the state is demilitarized; an absolute majority of settlers remains in Israeli settlement blocs; Jerusalem remains united in its present borders under Israeli sovereignty; and Arab refugees do not enter Israel

[21:48] <mytan-VHL> 12Yea, where is the verse about the passover?

[21:49] <HostBob> Jeremiah 32:20-21

[21:49] <HostBob> You performed miraculous signs and wonders in Egypt and have continued them to this day, both in Israel and among all mankind, and have gained the renown that is still yours. You brought your people Israel out of Egypt with signs and wonders, by a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with great terror. (Jeremiah 32:20-21 NIV)

[21:49] <jazene-VHL> hey Bob is that a good news report

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[21:50] <HostBob> Yasser Arafat said on Thursday that he rejects Barak's conditions, and that he will declare a state in any event on September 13.

[21:50] <maranatha-VHL> 12I like that verse. Do you believe that it means that we will have a great revival before the Father returns?

[21:51] <Chosen-VHL> 6Maybe a revival of a passion for Jesus!

[21:51] <maranatha-VHL> 12Arafat has been threatening statehood for a long while now hasn't he?

[21:51] <light2-VHL> 3Bob is there a modern day Chaldea?

[21:51] <HostBob> I personally don't see a great revival happening, at least not numerically - I think on the contrary that those who are true to the Lord will be revived, while many will fall away, according to Jesus

[21:51] <HostBob> Yes, Maranath

[21:51] <jazene-VHL> but don't you think that we are experiencing that now. A great revival of passion for Jesus?

[21:51] <HostBob> Yes, Chosen, a revival of passion

[21:51] <HostBob> yes

[21:51] <Chosen-VHL> 6Because when you are passionate about a cause....you will go to no ends to work towards that cause!

[21:52] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Many have already fallen away, Bob....

[21:52] <maranatha-VHL> 12I don't see in the Word where it says that we will have a great revival only a great falling away.

[21:52] <HostBob> Good question, Light :)

[21:52] <HostBob> Yes, Maranatha, unfortunately

[21:52] <maranatha-VHL> 12I read where it says that the remnant will be so few that a child can number them on his hands.

[21:53] <HostBob> what is passing for "revival" in some circles is in my (controversial) opinion only going to play into the hands of the apostate church

[21:53] <Chosen-VHL> 6Do you see that maybe the great falling away has already begun? Look at the complacency that is in the church today?

[21:53] <HostBob> yes

[21:53] <maranatha-VHL> 12amen

[21:53] <maranatha-VHL> 12I believe that truly Chosen

[21:53] <HostBob> All these are the beginning of birth pains. (Matthew 24:8 NIV)

[21:53] <HostBob> "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. (Matthew 24:9 NIV)

[21:53] <HostBob> At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, (Matthew 24:10 NIV)

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[21:53] <uzzykim-VHL> 13We are already hated

[21:54] <HostBob> and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

[21:54] <bayoumama-VHL> 3sounds like tribulation to me

[21:54] <uzzykim-VHL> 13bah!

[21:54] <HostBob> Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, (Matthew 24:12 NIV)

[21:54] <Chosen-VHL> 6and there is much division in the church

[21:54] <HostBob> but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. (Matthew 24:13 NIV)

[21:54] <jazene-VHL> we have already begun to see the false prophets

[21:54] <mytan-VHL> 12Not only complacency but believing in the many lies. Willfully being led away.

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[21:54] <maranatha-VHL> 12i don't think that any of us have any idea how bad the tribulation will get.

[21:54] <jazene-VHL> yes look at Benny Hinn

[21:55] <maranatha-VHL> 12Oh, I heard about that.

[21:55] <light2-VHL> 3O continue thy lovingkindness unto them that know thee; and thy righteousness to the upright in heart.

[21:55] <HostBob> Yes

[21:55] <light2-VHL> 3I don't think we should name names

[21:55] <uzzykim-VHL> 13What about Benny Hinn????

[21:55] <Chosen-VHL> 6the great falling away and the love of many waxing cold and so forth....those scriptures are addressing the church, not the non-believers...we have a tendancy to think the scriptures are more about non-believers than about a guide for living by the spirit

[21:56] <HostBob> Yes, Chosen

[21:56] <maranatha-VHL> 12amen

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[21:56] <Hope-VHL> GREAT point CHOSEN

[21:56] <jazene-VHL> on one of our VHL chats it was said that Benny Hinn tried to raise the dead wasn't it Bob?

[21:56] <HostBob> Paul named names when men were preaching heretical doctrines that were destroying the faith of some

[21:57] <mytan-VHL> 12That is why God said through Paul that we are not to judge those outside the church.

[21:57] <light2-VHL> 3Remember that Timothy says the apostates are the ones who have a form of Godliness But DENY HIs Power

[21:57] <Chosen-VHL> 6and unfortunately, the enemy knows the Word better than a lot of christians do....therefore, those who do not know the Word can be easily deceived.

[21:57] <hands-VHL> Howdy! I'm back and missed everything!

[21:57] <light2-VHL> 3Lots of Pharasees hated the miracles of Christ

[21:57] <HostBob> Welcome back!

[21:57] <sojc-VHL> rapture = before the mid-east peace acord is signed:-)

[21:57] <mytan-VHL> 12Yes light2, like the Pharasee and the poor man.

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[21:58] <jazene-VHL> But remember Satan knows the word better than we do.

[21:58] <light2-VHL> 3In other words they won't accept what the Holy Spirit does

[21:58] <Hope-VHL> We're in the same boat Chosen :-)

[21:58] <uzzykim-VHL> 13That's what i believe sojc

[21:58] <maranatha-VHL> 12Jazene, I got a newsletter from one of my prophecy links and it said that he has been given a vision that Jesus is going to manifest himself bodily in one of his crusades.

[21:58] <HostBob> No one is denying that God can do miracles... we are to judge (a) the fruit and (b) the doctrine of false teachers

[21:58] <hands-VHL> what WAS the verse, Bob?

[21:58] <Chosen-VHL> 6Satan knew how to use the Word to tempt Jesus in the wilderness....why do we not know the Word like that?

[21:58] <HostBob> Which one, hands? :)

[21:58] <Hope-VHL> That's one opinion sojc

[21:59] <sojc-VHL> yep

[21:59] <light2-VHL> 3Well remember when the diciples wanted to have a man stopped from doing miracles and Christ said

[21:59] <hands-VHL> the one you were cutting/pasting/stalling on

[21:59] <HostBob> Welcome, sojc! You snuck in and I didn't see ya :)

[21:59] <HostBob> here it is again, Hands :)

[21:59] <uzzykim-VHL> 13sojc:and they keep changing the dates on when they're going to sign it too.

[21:59] <light2-VHL> 3No man who does a miracle in my name can speak lightly of Me

[21:59] <HostBob> You performed miraculous signs and wonders in Egypt and have continued them to this day, both in Israel and among all mankind, and have gained the renown that is still yours. You brought your people Israel out of Egypt with signs and wonders, by a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with great terror. (Jeremiah 32:20-21 NIV)

[22:00] <Mule-VHL> Bob we see the falling away of the faith,when will we see where God pours out his spirit upon all flesh?

[22:00] <HostBob> No, Light - MANY will who will be thrown into hell will cry, "Lord, didn't we do MIRACLES in your name"?

[22:00] <mytan-VHL> 12Yes, the false teachers. their fruit and that of those who say they believe but we cannot judge those who do not believe nor expect them to act or understand what we do.

[22:00] <sojc-VHL> just be ready, some say septembre, I say a little latter but within a year

[22:00] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Mule: I believe that is already starting to happen.

[22:00] <hands-VHL> Upon ALL flesh my favorite!

[22:00] <HostBob> Yes, mule :)

[22:01] <hands-VHL> Joel and acts 2

[22:01] <Chosen-VHL> 6yes...greater in the latter days

[22:01] <mytan-VHL> 12No man knows the day or time, only my Father in heaven

[22:01] <HostBob> I don't know when, sojc, but we need to be walking with the Lord in truth and sincerity so we are ready, right?

[22:01] <Mule-VHL> 14so that wouldn't have to be all at one time right

[22:01] <sojc-VHL> 8yep

[22:01] <Chosen-VHL> 6We are privileged to have been hand picked by God to live in this day and time!

[22:01] <jazene-VHL> yes

[22:02] <light2-VHL> 3Exactly Bob and he will say I never knew you

[22:02] <light2-VHL> 3So the point being who really knows who knows Christ???

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[22:02] <Chosen-VHL> 6He foreknew us and placed within each of us what we needed to carry on until His coming and to endure the last days! It's already in us...we just have to believe it!

[22:02] <uzzykim-VHL> 13sojc: The time of September 9-11 was given to me ina vision last year but no year was attached.

[22:02] <light2-VHL> 3Are you ready to become the judge?

[22:02] <sojc-VHL> 84what does everybody thing the mark of the beast will be?

[22:03] <sojc-VHL> 4oops, think

[22:03] <Hope-VHL> You know we all seem to know where we're going, whether the rapture is before or during, now we need to focus out attention on others the LOST

[22:03] <hands-VHL> I have a question for Bob in Joel2:28 and Acts 2:17 &18 is that new or increase??

[22:03] <HostBob> Me? No, of course not, but we are to judge false doctrines - believers throughout Church history have done that, and the apostles encouraged it frequently

[22:03] <jazene-VHL> I believe it has already started with the digital angle thing

[22:03] <sojc-VHL> 4yep, I belive it is a digital angel

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[22:04] <maranatha-VHL> 12What is the digital angel?

[22:04] <HostBob> Well, hands...

[22:04] <uzzykim-VHL> 13What's the digital angel?

[22:04] <light2-VHL> 3So far and I read His news letters I have not read any false doctrin

[22:04] <jazene-VHL> But no one really knows what to believe any more except for the Bible that is the only way

[22:04] <Hope-VHL> It's a human chip that will become available before year end

[22:04] <light2-VHL> 3and only junk others have written

[22:04] <HostBob> the Holy Spirit was given on Pentecost, right? And peter quoted Joel, right? so...

[22:04] <hands-VHL> it' a load question:-)

[22:05] <HostBob> part of the Joel prophecy certainly points to the "day of the Lord"

[22:05] <hands-VHL> loaded, rather

[22:05] <Hope-VHL> digitalangel.com It trades on the NASDAQ under adsx Applied Digital Solutions

[22:05] <sojc-VHL> 4do you know that on barcodes it has a 3 sets of parallel lines on the left, centre and right. the parallel lines are siad to symbolive 6, thus 666

[22:05] <HostBob> So, part of it is fulfilled, and part yet future (Joel's prophecy)

[22:05] <maranatha-VHL> 12yes, I didn't know that it was called the digital angel.

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[22:06] <Mule-VHL> 14I think that they have a web site on the digital angel

[22:06] <sojc-VHL> 4oh, no. digital angel is a chip to be implanted in humans.

[22:06] <HostBob> 'And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. (Joel 2:28 NIV)

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[22:06] <HostBob> Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days. (Joel 2:29 NIV)

[22:06] <maranatha-VHL> 12oh, I see.

[22:06] <uzzykim-VHL> 13All humans? What happens if you refuse it/

[22:06] <HostBob> I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and billows of smoke. (Joel 2:30 NIV)

[22:06] <light2-VHL> 3Yes and that is happening now

[22:06] <HostBob> The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD. (Joel 2:31 NIV)

[22:06] <hands-VHL> meaning old men will dream more...

[22:07] <light2-VHL> 3Joel 2:29 that is

[22:07] <HostBob> And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the survivors whom the LORD calls. (Joel 2:32 NIV)

[22:07] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Bob, young men in that verse could translate into young women as well :)

[22:07] <maranatha-VHL> 12I believe it says in Revelations that we will not be able to by bread uzzy.

[22:07] <HostBob> ok, Kim :)

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[22:07] <uzzykim-VHL> 13survivors of what?

[22:07] <light2-VHL> 3Are you saying there is not a pause between those 2 verses Bob?

[22:07] <hands-VHL> and young men will have more visions...

[22:07] <HostBob> I must be Bob the answer man LOL

[22:08] <HostBob> I don't know any more than you guys do, really :)

[22:08] <light2-VHL> 3Because remember when Christ proclaimed the acceptable year of the Lord!

[22:08] <hands-VHL> lol

[22:08] <jazene-VHL> I think they are speaking of the rapture. Survivors of the rapture

[22:08] <maranatha-VHL> 12Yep, thats what you get for being Host.

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[22:08] <HostBob> Yeah :)

[22:08] <uzzykim-VHL> 13We just had a total solar eclipse and the moon appeared to be like "blood"

[22:08] <light2-VHL> 3Were still in his pause! Thank God

[22:08] <HostBob> Well, regarding the survivors....

[22:08] <Chosen-VHL> 6we are neither male or female according to the Word

[22:09] <HostBob> it is talking about "the great and dreadful day of the Lord", right?

[22:09] <light2-VHL> 3I find alot of preachers are very critical of each other

[22:09] <HostBob> When the Lord pours out His fierce anger on the world, and many die

[22:09] <Chosen-VHL> 6where are you uzzykim?

[22:09] <light2-VHL> 3and it is disheartening to the Body of Christ

[22:09] <sojc-VHL> 4i have to go, bye;-)

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[22:09] <HostBob> And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved

[22:09] <maranatha-VHL> 12Heh, how many subjects are we talking about here......

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[22:09] <uzzykim-VHL> 13This just happened both of these things like in the last year.

[22:09] <hands-VHL> must mean women will prophesy more ...you reckon?:-)

[22:09] <light2-VHL> 3We should have fervent love among ourselves

[22:10] <HostBob> Most people according to Revelation will not repent, but some will call on the name of the Lord

[22:10] <Chosen-VHL> 6where uzzykim?

[22:10] <HostBob> does that help at all?

[22:10] <uzzykim-VHL> 13UNited States

[22:10] <Chosen-VHL> 6okay

[22:10] <light2-VHL> 3That is how the world know that what we say is TRUE

[22:10] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I went outside when both happeneed and i saw it for myself

[22:10] <jazene-VHL> what do you all think about this one monetary system?

[22:11] <HostBob> Pause between what verses, light? (just catching up)

[22:11] <maranatha-VHL> 12I think that it is part of the New World Orders plan.

[22:11] <uzzykim-VHL> 13One monetary, one world religion, etc.....

[22:12] <Chosen-VHL> 6I think so too...a One World System is part of the last days fulfillment...to control the world

[22:12] <Chosen-VHL> 6and instill fear into people....believers included

[22:12] <Chosen-VHL> 6to turn their trust away from God

[22:12] <maranatha-VHL> 12exactly! Uzzykim, I think it was in '98 that there were three blood red moons all seen from Israel on Jewish holidays.

[22:12] <Chosen-VHL> 6and to deceive

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[22:13] <HostBob> Yes, Light, fervent love and unity, we must have that.... but that does not mean we embrace everyone who teaches weird doctrines

[22:13] <light2-VHL> 3Yes between Joel 2 29 and 30

[22:13] <uzzykim-VHL> 13okay the last 2 years time then that scripture has been partialy fulfilled

[22:13] <HostBob> Yes, there is a pause

[22:13] <maranatha-VHL> 12yes

[22:13] <light2-VHL> 3What may be weird to you may not be so weird to The Almighty

[22:14] <HostBob> But Peter read the whole thing :)

[22:14] <uzzykim-VHL> 13AMEN light2

[22:14] <bayoumama-VHL> 3Good night, gang, I've got to go

[22:14] <light2-VHL> 3I will do a work in that day that they will in wise believe

[22:14] <HostBob> The word of God is our standard

[22:14] <HostBob> Night, Bayou :)

[22:14] <light2-VHL> 3sorry no wise believe

[22:14] <hands-VHL> goodnight bayoumamma

[22:15] <mytan-VHL> 12Goodnight bayou

[22:15] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Night bayou

[22:15] <jazene-VHL> good nite bayou

[22:15] <light2-VHL> 3I was reading some things on the web ring and I disagree with some of the things they say are new phenomena

[22:15] <HostBob> I was reading today from Matthew 24, and you know what struck me? That's the part where they ask Him when He will return?

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[22:15] <Chosen-VHL> 6I think we have been deceived in believing that the church will be without spot or wrinkle through a long drawn out process.....God can cause His bride to be clean and pure in the snap of a finger! Look at how quickly the children of Israel got out of Egypt when God said it was time!

[22:16] <HostBob> As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" (Matthew 24:3 NIV)

[22:16] <mytan-VHL> 12Yes. There is only one standard. That is the word of God. If what someone says is not in accordance with the word, then it is a lie.

[22:16] <light2-VHL> 3Because it was happening before I became a Christian way back in late 60s

[22:16] <HostBob> What was the FIRST THING He said?

[22:16] <HostBob> Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. (Matthew 24:4 NIV)

[22:16] <HostBob> Amen, Mytan

[22:16] <uzzykim-VHL> 13That would include other Christians right, Bob?

[22:17] <light2-VHL> 3But what is deception, if the person preaches the gospel of Christ?

[22:17] <Chosen-VHL> 6If they preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then there is no deception

[22:17] <HostBob> Light2, Paul spoke of those who preach "another gospel" and "another Jesus" in Galations - not all who use the words gospel and Jesus are truly men of God

[22:18] <Chosen-VHL> 6But if they twist the Word as satan did and does, then it falls under deception

[22:18] <mytan-VHL> 12Because someone says he is a christian doesn't make it so. You judge by their fruits and what they teach.

[22:18] <light2-VHL> 3True

[22:18] <jazene-VHL> 6AMEN

[22:18] <hands-VHL> I've never had anyone tell me they were the Christ and I hope that none do, Jesus I'll know

[22:18] <light2-VHL> 3But another gospel is like saying, Christ is not the only way and there is other ways to God

[22:18] <maranatha-VHL> 12Remember that even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

[22:18] <uzzykim-VHL> 13What if what they teach is something they truly believe in the heart and soul but according to the Bible it's WRONG?

[22:19] <light2-VHL> 3Not laying hands on the sick like we were told to do in James

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[22:19] <light2-VHL> 3Then their wrong Uzz

[22:19] <mytan-VHL> 12Joesph Smith used Christ's name and look what happened.

[22:19] <jazene-VHL> 6Then they are wrong kim

[22:19] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I'm ill-I need someone to lay hands on me! :)

[22:19] <Chosen-VHL> 6That's why we need to know the Word ourselves Uzzykim...so we will be able to test what is being taught

[22:19] <HostBob> Uzzy... that's why the Lord says not many to PRESUME to be teachers, because they get stricter evaluation

[22:20] <jazene-VHL> 6call on Benny Hinn, He is good at that

[22:20] <mytan-VHL> 12Then they are wrong Kim

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[22:20] <hands-VHL> that's why we must be ready in season and out to explain why we believe

[22:20] <HostBob> It is an EXTREMELY SERIOUS OFFENSE to claim to proclaim the Lord's message and instead be leading people AWAY from Him

[22:20] <light2-VHL> 3I never hear Benny ever say HE did the healing

[22:20] <maranatha-VHL> 12My mom will be right back, she had to take a chick out of the incubator and put him in with the others.

[22:21] <uzzykim-VHL> 13No never light2

[22:21] <mytan-VHL> 12Yes, God will hold us responsible for what we know and don't know. We MUST know what his word says or how can we divide?

[22:21] <HostBob> Thanks, maranatha's child :)

[22:21] <light2-VHL> 3Oh baby chicks how sweet

[22:21] <maranatha-VHL> 12yeah he is cute buT LOUd, and he's running into all the other chicks.

[22:21] <light2-VHL> 3I just think people are worried about Benny because so many different faiths flock there

[22:21] <HostBob> oooo a bully baby chick :)

[22:22] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Just like they did to jesus

[22:22] <light2-VHL> 3But He always tells them the way to get Saves

[22:22] <uzzykim-VHL> 13oops Jesus

[22:22] <light2-VHL> 3SAVED

[22:22] <hands-VHL> do you know how many chicks there are

[22:22] <maranatha-VHL> 12no no, he just isn't very strong yet, and he looks like he is drunk and keeps running into the other three that just hatched.

[22:22] <light2-VHL> 3And if people are afraid of being slain in the Spirit, it is in the bible over and over

[22:22] <hands-VHL> do they eat rolled oats ?

[22:22] <HostBob> I'm not going to get into about Benny Hinn here - there is plenty of documentation on the web regarding the things he has said

[22:23] <maranatha-VHL> 12No hands

[22:23] <HostBob> drunk baby chick? hee hee? :)

[22:23] <light2-VHL> 3Yes but don't believe everything you read unless you have heard it personally

[22:23] <maranatha-VHL> 12He LOOKS drunk.

[22:23] <hands-VHL> do they have speical feed they will eat?

[22:23] <light2-VHL> 3That is slander

[22:23] <mytan-VHL> 12Being slain in the spirit?

[22:23] <maranatha-VHL> 12Its called Chick starter.

[22:24] <hands-VHL> do you get to fed them?

[22:24] <Chosen-VHL> 6Hey isn't it almost Pentecost time? A drunk chick...maybe? :)

[22:24] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I have personally been a part of holy people(Belivers) being slain in the Spirit.

[22:24] <HostBob> No, it is not slander to bear witness to someone's false teachings - if the person reporting it is lying, then they will answer to God for that

[22:24] <maranatha-VHL> 12Hmmm no we just put it in a bowl and they eat themselves.

[22:24] <hands-VHL> you, spell very well, how old are you?

[22:24] <light2-VHL> 3Yes that is true , but I would not publish it for them

[22:24] <maranatha-VHL> 12I'm 18. :)

[22:25] <hands-VHL> ooh lol:-)

[22:25] <maranatha-VHL> 12I spell better than my other sister who is 20. LOL Thats because I read a lot though.

[22:25] <light2-VHL> 3Un less I knew for sure , absolut sure

[22:25] <mytan-VHL> 12We are to warn other believers from a false prophet.

[22:25] <jazene-VHL> 6AMEN Mytan

[22:25] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Maybe someone in here is a flse prophet-how would we know/

[22:25] <hands-VHL> I'm almost a speed reader

[22:25] <maranatha-VHL> 12The other day she asked me how to spell stink.

[22:25] <light2-VHL> 3By their fruit

[22:25] <maranatha-VHL> 12LOL

[22:26] <uzzykim-VHL> 13exactly

[22:26] <maranatha-VHL> 12She couldn't remember how. Brain fart I guess.

[22:26] <light2-VHL> 3do men gather figs from a thorn bush

[22:26] <uzzykim-VHL> 13and fruit includes......

[22:26] <mytan-VHL> 12By their teachings kim

[22:26] <hands-VHL> you didn't spell her name I hope:-)

[22:26] <uzzykim-VHL> 13and their actions mytan

[22:26] <light2-VHL> 3All the gifts of the Spirit

[22:26] <maranatha-VHL> 12I'm pretty good at speed reading. I made a 28 on the ACT in that section :)

[22:26] <jazene-VHL> 6If you can't find it it the Bible then it is not truth.

[22:26] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Right light2

[22:26] <HostBob> :)

[22:26] <light2-VHL> 3And the people they gather into the kingdom

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[22:27] <mytan-VHL> 12Unfortunately, I cannot see your actions(fruit) from this perspective.

[22:27] <light2-VHL> 3If the fruit is good the tree is good

[22:27] <uzzykim-VHL> 13jazene-Dinosaurs aren't in the Bible just great creatures

[22:27] <hands-VHL> I only speed read sometime if the book is good

[22:27] <HostBob> Let's get off the false prophets debate - I think we've all made our point :)

[22:27] <light2-VHL> 3What perspective mytan?

[22:27] <Chosen-VHL> 6:)

[22:27] <maranatha-VHL> 12I don't do it on purpose I just read that way. People think I skip parts because I read fast, but I don't.

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[22:28] <mytan-VHL> 12Across a computer terminal.

[22:28] <uzzykim-VHL> 13But if we are all one in the Spirit then we should all be able to feel one another's spirits.

[22:28] <HostBob> That's a wonderful gift!

[22:28] <hands-VHL> how many books do you have?

[22:28] <HostBob> feel?

[22:28] <maranatha-VHL> 12Hands have you read that book "The Visitation"?

[22:28] <hands-VHL> yes

[22:28] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Bob, it's a gift of the Spirit part of discernment

[22:28] <HostBob> well, I can't "feel" anyone in here, but I can evaluate what they say

[22:28] <maranatha-VHL> 12Books? Well I have quite a few.

[22:29] <mytan-VHL> 12Amen Bob.

[22:29] <Chosen-VHL> 6but you also have to watch out for 'familiar' spirits uzzy

[22:29] <hands-VHL> I lost count after 500, but some are have to reads

[22:30] <Chosen-VHL> 6a 'familiar' spirit can make you think a different way

[22:30] <maranatha-VHL> 12Wow I haven't kept count on how many we have. Or that I have read.

[22:30] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I agree that we have to test the Spirits to see if they are of God , yes

[22:30] <hands-VHL> I have them every where:-)

[22:30] <HostBob> For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:13 NIV)

[22:30] <HostBob> And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. (2 Corinthians 11:14 NIV)

[22:30] <maranatha-VHL> 12Hands books you mean?

[22:30] <HostBob> It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. (2 Corinthians 11:15 NIV)

[22:30] <hands-VHL> yes

[22:31] <maranatha-VHL> 12Yeah so do we, we have a library. A small one anyway. LOL

[22:31] <HostBob> OK - how about a change of pace here...

[22:31] <hands-VHL> The Lord always blesses me in books:-)

[22:31] <mytan-VHL> 12Amen again Bob.

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[22:31] <Chosen-VHL> 6And what is in the heart comes out of the mouth

[22:32] <maranatha-VHL> 12hands LOL yeah. I LOVE reading.

[22:32] <HostBob> Any suggestions on topics?

[22:32] <hands-VHL> I have shelves in almost every room even a stack under the bed

[22:32] <maranatha-VHL> 12Sounds like a vets office in our house.

[22:32] <HostBob> How about you mytan? You wanna throw a topic out?

[22:32] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Hey I sell educational books

[22:32] <maranatha-VHL> 12hands yeah I have a few under my bed, by my bed, and then on my bookshelves.

[22:33] <HostBob> ooo commercial time LOL

[22:33] <mytan-VHL> 12We should get back to Prophecy

[22:33] <light2-VHL> 3One thing Bob I totally disagree with is that alot of people associate experience with God as something evil

[22:33] <hands-VHL> My family just shake their heads when I sneak them in lol

[22:33] <jazene-VHL> 6Who have you been talking too?

[22:33] <maranatha-VHL> 12sneak?

[22:33] <light2-VHL> 3Most of the prophets would have been hauled to the looney bin

[22:33] <HostBob> Yes, Mytan? Any specfic interests?

[22:34] <light2-VHL> 3And the RELIGIOUS LEADERS did the hauling

[22:34] <mytan-VHL> 12The rapture has always been my specific interest.

[22:34] <hands-VHL> I try to cut back I just can't

[22:34] <maranatha-VHL> 12mytan ohhh mine too.

[22:34] <maranatha-VHL> 12hands LOL why try?

[22:34] <jazene-VHL> 6I Think it is all our favorites

[22:34] <hands-VHL> I am running out of house for them

[22:34] <HostBob> OK - let's pick your brains....

[22:35] <skip-VHL> pre or mid?

[22:35] <light2-VHL> 3If God is the same yesterday today and Forever, I guess he can do what He wants

[22:35] <HostBob> how about Old Testament verses about the coming of the Lord?

[22:35] <mytan-VHL> 12I look forward to that coming day. I would like to see what would happen after, during the tribulation but don't really want to experience it.

[22:35] <HostBob> the 2nd coming, that is

[22:35] <HostBob> there are OODLES of them

[22:35] <maranatha-VHL> 12hands yeah that could be a problem. LOL

[22:35] <HostBob> OODLES AND OODLES

[22:35] <maranatha-VHL> 12Just build some bookshelves. :)

[22:35] <mytan-VHL> 12I'm thinking

[22:36] <HostBob> you give me a phrase, if you remember one, I'll find it on my online Bible

[22:36] <hands-VHL> there are no more walls

[22:36] <mytan-VHL> 12What comes to mind first, naturally, is Isaiah.

[22:36] <maranatha-VHL> 12hands LOL

[22:36] <maranatha-VHL> 12GOSH that new chick is loud.

[22:36] <HostBob> ok, yes, lots in Isaiah...

[22:36] <maranatha-VHL> 12I wonder if he would understand "SHUT UP" I doubt it. :)

[22:37] <hands-VHL> he is praising the Lord!

[22:37] <HostBob> See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed upon her; she will conceal her slain no longer. (Isaiah 26:21 NIV)

[22:37] <maranatha-VHL> 12Zephaniah is a good prophetic book.

[22:37] <HostBob> In that day they will say, "Surely this is our God; we trusted in him, and he saved us. This is the LORD, we trusted in him; let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation." (Isaiah 25:9 NIV)

[22:38] <maranatha-VHL> 12Hands sure he is, sure he is. I just hope he gets done before I go to bed.

[22:38] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Daniel is also good

[22:38] <hands-VHL> lol

[22:38] <maranatha-VHL> 12And I have the feeling he won't be. Because more and more of them keep popping out.

[22:38] <hands-VHL> Daniel is outstanding!

[22:38] <HostBob> See, the Name of the LORD comes from afar, with burning anger and dense clouds of smoke; his lips are full of wrath, and his tongue is a consuming fire. His breath is like a rushing torrent, rising up to the neck. He shakes the nations in the sieve of destruction; he places in the jaws of the peoples a bit that leads them astray. (Isaiah 30:27-28 NIV)

[22:39] <HostBob> The LORD will cause men to hear his majestic voice and will make them see his arm coming down with raging anger and consuming fire, with cloudburst, thunderstorm and hail. (Isaiah 30:30 NIV)

[22:39] <HostBob> There are a few from Isaiah

[22:39] <hands-VHL> well, you'll have to shut your door, or they in your room?

[22:39] <maranatha-VHL> 12NO THANK GOD. I couldn't stand it if they were in my room.

[22:39] <HostBob> Oh, here's a cool one :)

[22:40] <maranatha-VHL> 12Yes I can shut my door. But they are still loud.:) lol

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[22:40] <Chosen-VHL> 6Bob do you think that one of the things that Jesus took to the cross was the wrath of God as is speaks of in the Old Testament, so that God would not destroy His creation?

[22:40] <HostBob> This is what the LORD says to me: "As a lion growls, a great lion over his prey-- and though a whole band of shepherds is called together against him, he is not frightened by their shouts or disturbed by their clamor-- so the LORD Almighty will come down to do battle on Mount Zion and on its heights. Like birds hovering overhead, the LORD Almighty will shield Jerusalem; he will shield it and deliver it, he will 'pass over' it and will rescue it." (Isaiah 31:4-5 NIV)

[22:40] <light2-VHL> 3Uzzy did you see what I sent?

[22:41] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Yep

[22:41] <mytan-VHL> 12Yes, Jesus took our place.

[22:41] <HostBob> Jesus bore the wrath of God against us on the cross, so that we could be forgiven....

[22:42] <HostBob> and God's wrath in that sense was satisfied..

[22:42] <jazene-VHL> 6The scripture you quoted it that like what happened when God sent Moses to save his people and they had to put the Blood upon their doors to protect themselves?

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[22:42] <hands-VHL> paid the price AMEN

[22:42] <HostBob> but - God's wrath remains on those who reject Jesus, and though He has been patient, He will some day pour it out onto the world in full measure

[22:43] <maranatha-VHL> 12This is sooo funny. We like have this chick who is LOUD, and we have a cat locked up because it wants to eat the chick and its howling/meowing.

[22:43] <maranatha-VHL> 12Anybody got some ear plugs?

[22:43] <skip-VHL> Gods wrath will be poured on the unrightous

[22:43] <hands-VHL> yea lol

[22:43] <HostBob> Yes, skipo

[22:43] <HostBob> skip :)

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[22:44] <HostBob> See, the LORD God comes with power, and his arm rules for him. See, his reward is with him, and his recompense accompanies him. (Isaiah 40:10)

[22:44] <hands-VHL> what were you all saying about laying on of hands?

[22:45] <HostBob> That day is spoken of more than any other in the Scriptures - the day when Jesus rides out in victory and vengence on the white horse

[22:45] <mytan-VHL> 12Amen and amen.

[22:46] <HostBob> His mercy is great towards those who repent, but His anger will be great towards those who harden their heart

[22:46] <hands-VHL> :-)

[22:47] <maranatha-VHL> 12Ahhh its gotten quiet. finally.

[22:47] <Hope-VHL> I've been out

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[22:47] <Hope-VHL> LOL

[22:47] <maranatha-VHL> 12LOL I meant in our house. LOL

[22:47] <HostBob> Here are some more great verses in Isaiah 40 about the Lords' coming...

[22:47] <HostBob> And the glory of the LORD will be revealed, and all mankind together will see it. For the mouth of the LORD has spoken." (Isaiah 40:5 NIV)

[22:47] <Hope-VHL> That's funny!

[22:48] <HostBob> You who bring good tidings to Zion, go up on a high mountain. You who bring good tidings to Jerusalem, lift up your voice with a shout, lift it up, do not be afraid; say to the towns of Judah, "Here is your God!" (Isaiah 40:9 NIV)

[22:48] <hands-VHL> I hope we'll all be ready, pray for our love ones always in these days, before it is too late for them

[22:48] <Hope-VHL> I'm with you Bob!

[22:48] <skip-VHL> the tribulation is Gods plea to repent.he is still giving us a chance

[22:48] <uzzykim-VHL> 13God's mercy never ends

[22:48] <jazene-VHL> 6Can anyone of you imagine what it will be like to stand before God to answer for your life?

[22:48] <HostBob> Yes, skip, He is a God of many many chances

[22:49] <HostBob> or else I would not be here tonight

[22:49] <Hope-VHL> I'll have Jesus as my DEFENSE

[22:49] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I'll be standing before Jesus at the Judgement Seat of Christ

[22:49] <HostBob> Amen, Hope

[22:49] <light2-VHL> 3Yes but Bob do you really think those that see him in his glory will be saved

[22:49] <skip-VHL> amen:-)

[22:49] <light2-VHL> 3Today is the day of salvetion

[22:49] <mytan-VHL> 12But those who wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength, they shall mount up with wings like

[22:49] <HostBob> Yes, today is the day of salvation

[22:50] <hands-VHL> yes, Bob He is.. I must remember and take heart

[22:50] <light2-VHL> 3He comes again and they will hide in caves etc, they will be afraid of Him at His coming

[22:50] <mytan-VHL> 12eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint.

[22:50] <Hope-VHL> BUT the believers will be looking up, waiting for HIS return!

[22:50] <HostBob> Yes, light

[22:50] <light2-VHL> 3If you wait till He comes , it may be too late,

[22:50] <skip-VHL> I wont be

[22:51] <hands-VHL> Skip? what?

[22:51] <skip-VHL> hiding

[22:51] <HostBob> Skip won't be hiding in a cave :)

[22:51] <Hope-VHL> The sign in the moon, the sun and the stars is key!

[22:51] <jazene-VHL> 6Light what do you mean if you wait till he comes it may be too late?

[22:51] <light2-VHL> 3He comes the second time to take vengence on those who know not God

[22:51] <hands-VHL> oooh

[22:51] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Rioght Light

[22:51] <light2-VHL> 3You must accept Christ Now

[22:52] <light2-VHL> 3Right Now

[22:52] <jazene-VHL> 6AMEN to that Brother

[22:52] <hands-VHL> I was about to add you to my prayer list:-)

[22:52] <light2-VHL> 3If you hear His Voice today is the Day of Salvation

[22:52] <uzzykim-VHL> 13sorry for typos-typing one handed-Toddler is asleep in my arms

[22:52] <light2-VHL> 3Thats ok uzz

[22:52] <mytan-VHL> 12Now is the time. Today is the day of salvation.

[22:52] <HostBob> When you see this, your heart will rejoice and you will flourish like grass; the hand of the LORD will be made known to his servants, but his fury will be shown to his foes. (Isaiah 66:14 NIV)

[22:52] <light2-VHL> 3give um a kiss from me

[22:53] <HostBob> See, the LORD is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. (Isaiah 66:15 NIV)

[22:53] <HostBob> For with fire and with his sword the LORD will execute judgment upon all men, and many will be those slain by the LORD. (Isaiah 66:16 NIV)

[22:53] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I will light

[22:53] <skip-VHL> look up your redemption draweth nigh

[22:53] <light2-VHL> 3I think that His Kingdom is set up already, it just has not manifested itself in physical form on earth

[22:53] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Today is the day of salvation yes

[22:53] <jazene-VHL> 6And I pray to be one of the saints riding with him.

[22:53] <hands-VHL> AMEN! skip

[22:54] <Hope-VHL> Riding with him?

[22:54] <light2-VHL> 3And He that is Christ's has CEASED from his own works

[22:54] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I know I will be riding with Him on that Day!

[22:54] <HostBob> What do you mean, light?

[22:54] <HostBob> about the kingdom?

[22:54] <light2-VHL> 3So many think they have to do things to please God

[22:54] <HostBob> Yes, I'll be riding with Him :)

[22:54] <light2-VHL> 3This is the work of God, That you believe on Him whom He has sent

[22:54] <hands-VHL> Time to dance:-)oh yea:-) praise His name FOREVER!

[22:55] <HostBob> Amen, Hands!

[22:55] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Hey light, what about that bright light in the Heavens that no one knows what it is that's getting closer to earth?

[22:55] <Hope-VHL> O.k. I'm lost again, riding with Him WHEN?

[22:55] <light2-VHL> 3Walking in the Spirit is letting God Do the works thru you that you were ordained to do from the foundation of the world

[22:55] <HostBob> When He comes back on the white horse leading the armies of heaven

[22:55] <HostBob> The LORD of Hosts

[22:55] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Amen light

[22:55] <mytan-VHL> 12When He comes back the last time for the war of wars.

[22:56] <HostBob> Yes

[22:56] <light2-VHL> 3But the works are Gods works, for no Flesh shall glory in His Presence

[22:56] <hands-VHL> I'm listening for the trumpets.. MAYBE TONIGHT...:-)

[22:56] <mytan-VHL> 12We will ride with Him then.

[22:56] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Exactly light

[22:56] <Chosen-VHL> 6The Kingdom of God dwells in us if we are born again.

[22:56] <light2-VHL> 3And we are the unprofitable servants , we have done what we were commanded

[22:56] <skip-VHL> in the twinkling of an eye

[22:56] <Chosen-VHL> 6We are the Kingdom of God.

[22:57] <mytan-VHL> 12What works are you speaking of Light?

[22:57] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I'm planning on only hearing 1 trump of God :)

[22:57] <light2-VHL> 3We have to enter in to the REST of God

[22:57] <light2-VHL> 3Christ is that REST

[22:57] <light2-VHL> 3in other words we have ceased from our own works

[22:58] <skip-VHL> and assurance

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[22:58] <light2-VHL> 3and anything we do for God is done in the power of His Spirit living in us

[22:58] <mytan-VHL> 12Yes, this should be true of all believers.

[22:58] <mytan-VHL> 12Not of ourselves lest any man should boast.

[22:59] <HostBob> We are the Kingdom because the King dwells in us, but His kingdom will be established on earth by the King Himself when He returns and smashes all of the other kingdoms - there is no progressive establishment of the Kingdom on earth, as some teach

[22:59] <Hope-VHL> Sorry, Bob, I thought the ones riding with Him were going to be the angels of God, I was confused

[22:59] <light2-VHL> 3God gave me a neat verse on Him doing the works in us from the OT

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[22:59] <HostBob> They may tag along too, hope :)

[22:59] <mytan-VHL> 12What is that?

[22:59] <light2-VHL> 3It is Isaiah 26:12

[23:00] <hands-VHL> It's going to be a party!

[23:00] <hands-VHL> the best!

[23:00] <Hope-VHL> :-) Great, they're better at the battle part than I am!!!

[23:00] <HostBob> Yes, hands :)

[23:00] <jazene-VHL> 6A Heavenly Party!!!!

[23:00] <HostBob> LOL hope!

[23:00] <mytan-VHL> 12Amen Light.

[23:00] <skip-VHL> ?light

[23:00] <HostBob> Nah, you'll look just fine in your white battle array :)

[23:00] <hands-VHL> oh, yea !!!

[23:01] <light2-VHL> 3Good Verse to show anyone whos trying to climb in without a wedding garment on

[23:01] <skip-VHL> ok

[23:01] <light2-VHL> 3Friend how comest thou in without a wedding garment'

[23:01] <Hope-VHL> :-):-)Yeah! I can't wait!

[23:01] <mytan-VHL> 12Not with God on your side Hope.

[23:01] <hands-VHL> they can't party like you will, hope

[23:01] <HostBob> :)

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[23:01] <light2-VHL> 3We need to be clothed in the righteousness of Christ

[23:02] <Hope-VHL> Funny !!!

[23:02] <HostBob> Welcome, Magdalene!

[23:02] <light2-VHL> 3How many have a wedding garment???

[23:02] <hands-VHL> yes I do!

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[23:02] <light2-VHL> 3Me

[23:02] <hands-VHL> :-)

[23:02] <skip-VHL> sa many as are called

[23:02] <Hope-VHL> Well believers! I need to say good night! God Bless you all!

[23:02] <mytan-VHL> 12I know I do. For God has promised through His son Jesus.

[23:02] <skip-VHL> as.....

[23:02] <HostBob> Good night hope! Keep polishing that sword! :)

[23:03] <hands-VHL> good night hope

[23:03] <Hope-VHL> :-) LOL, LOL, I will Bob!

[23:03] <HostBob> :)

[23:03] <jazene-VHL> 6I know I do also.

[23:03] <mytan-VHL> 12Good night to all the saints and thank you for hosting Bob.

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[23:03] <HostBob> Night Mytan! You're welcome!

[23:03] <magdalene-VHL> hello everyone. can i join?4

[23:03] <HostBob> Thanks for joining us!

[23:03] <HostBob> Certainly, Magdalene!

[23:03] <hands-VHL> good night mytan

[23:03] <jazene-VHL> 6also Good nite from me as well .

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[23:04] <HostBob> NIght, Jazene! :

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[23:04] <light2-VHL> 3Nite maytan

[23:04] <light2-VHL> 3God Bless

[23:04] <hands-VHL> good night jaz.

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[23:04] <light2-VHL> 3Nite jazz

[23:04] <HostBob> We've been going for awhile, Mag, do you have a particular topic of interest?

[23:04] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Nite Jazene

[23:05] <magdalene-VHL> 4what time did the prophecy chat start?

[23:05] <HostBob> about 3 hours ago

[23:05] <HostBob> 8 PM ET

[23:06] <HostBob> The transcript from this will be post on the VHL site tomorrow

[23:07] <light2-VHL> 3When will the next one be Bob?

[23:07] <skip-VHL> when does it stoo

[23:07] <hands-VHL> let's talk about dancing before the Lord!

[23:07] <HostBob> It stops when everyone is gone :)

[23:07] <skip-VHL> p

[23:07] <hands-VHL> oooh

[23:07] <HostBob> The next will be on Wednesday night - Stan from Jerusalem is the host

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[23:08] <light2-VHL> 3Hey David danced with all his might, think he might have twirled alittle anyone???

[23:08] <skip-VHL> i hope i dont have 2 left feet

[23:08] <HostBob> Here's another latecomer -welcome, incense :)

[23:08] <incense11> hello

[23:08] <incense11> any one here

[23:08] <HostBob> We are here :)

[23:08] <hands-VHL> hello

[23:08] <light2-VHL> 3God is exciting

[23:08] <HostBob> But I'm going to be leaving soon....

[23:08] <HostBob> in a few

[23:08] <uzzykim-VHL> 13AMEN light

[23:08] <hands-VHL> yes He is!

[23:09] <HostBob> Yes, He is, and He is looking for people who really want to know Him

[23:09] <uzzykim-VHL> 13I LOVE DANCING BEFORE THE LORD IN WORSHIP

[23:09] <skip-VHL> hi

[23:09] <hands-VHL> what time is it there Bob

[23:09] <light2-VHL> 3My husband and I dance together for him sometimes, we love Him

[23:09] <incense11> hi bob....yes late this is school night

[23:09] <HostBob> It's 11:09 PM here in Tampa Florida

[23:10] <incense11> bob. why you cover your face on your web page?

[23:10] <HostBob> cover my face?

[23:10] <HostBob> it's not covered :)

[23:10] <incense11> with camera

[23:10] <light2-VHL> 3He does not want to scare people ;-)

[23:10] <HostBob> LOL

[23:10] <incense11> LOL light

[23:11] <hands-VHL> what school do you go to incense

[23:11] <incense11> local college Walters State

[23:11] <HostBob> I'm not sure which what pic you are referring to, incense - you sure it's my web site?

[23:11] <incense11> maybe :-))

[23:11] <HostBob> :)

[23:11] <incense11> did you not give it out 2 wk ago

[23:11] <HostBob> www.trumpetsounds.com

[23:11] <incense11> it has another name on it

[23:12] <HostBob> that's mine

[23:12] <incense11> that wasn't it

[23:12] <HostBob> then it wasn't me LOL

[23:12] <incense11> sorry

[23:12] <incense11> I don't know

[23:12] <incense11> any new news tonight

[23:12] <HostBob> OK, I think we are boring everyone else :)

[23:13] <light2-VHL> 3Yes my daughter just rededicated her Life to Christ

[23:13] <HostBob> In a meeting with the Cabinet today, Prime Minister Barak stated his conditions for recognizing a Palestinian state. He said that Israel will grant recognition to such a state only if the state is demilitarized; an absolute majority of settlers remains in Israeli settlement blocs; Jerusalem remains united in its present borders under Israeli sovereignty; and Arab refugees do not enter Israel.

[23:13] <HostBob> Yes, Light, tell everyone more!

[23:13] <hands-VHL> awesome!

[23:13] <light2-VHL> 3And I am Praising the Lord, cause it is an answer to prayer

[23:13] <HostBob> Light is SOOOOOOOOOO excited!!!! Isn't that wonderful!!!!!!!!!!

[23:14] <skip-VHL> :-)

[23:14] <incense11> I'm sure light...how old is she

[23:14] <hands-VHL> YES

[23:14] <light2-VHL> 3She is 25 and she is married and now asks prayer for her husband to follow in the decision

[23:14] <incense11> Praise God

[23:14] <hands-VHL> i'LL AGREE WITH YOU

[23:14] <light2-VHL> 3and become the spiritual head of their house

[23:14] <skip-VHL> me 2

[23:14] <HostBob> I need to run, folks - it's been fun :) Keep on chatting as long as you like :)

[23:15] <light2-VHL> 3That makes 2 in and 2 with mates to go

[23:15] <incense11> night Bob.....

[23:15] <HostBob> God bless!!

[23:15] <hands-VHL> good night, Bob

[23:15] <uzzykim-VHL> 13THAT'S GREAT LIGHT

[23:15] <light2-VHL> 3Of course I am praying for so many others too our neighbors and family

[23:15] <skip-VHL> thanks BOB GOD BLESS YOU

[23:15] <uzzykim-VHL> 13Night Bob!

[23:15] <light2-VHL> 3God wants us to pray and stand in the gap for others

[23:16] <uzzykim-VHL> 13AMEN light

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