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[19:38] <HostBob> There's a familiar "bear" face!

[19:38] <HostBob> Shalom Polar Bear from Sunny Florida!!!

[19:39] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Trying out the newer time, hopefully for a short time only

[19:39] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Florida, where? I spent twenty years there, in WPB

[19:39] <HostBob> Tampa

[19:40] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Have you been to Ft Myers?

[19:40] <HostBob> I've been here 4 years

[19:40] <HostBob> nope, never have - I should, it's not that far away

[19:41] <Polar_Bear-VHL> There is an interesting Rescue Mission there, that is ca 20+ years old, they have a unique bus ministry

[19:42] <HostBob> Oh? Unique in what way?

[19:43] <Polar_Bear-VHL> They use the bus for a short evengelistic service, then feed all who come, the only way into the mission is through the bus, it has worked well for them

[19:43] <Polar_Bear-VHL> The leaders are now those saved through the same

[19:43] <Polar_Bear-VHL> ministry

[19:43] <HostBob> That sounds great!!

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[19:44] <HostBob> Welcome GiGi!

[19:44] <Polar_Bear-VHL> It is a reccommended stop in FL, name is FMRM Fort Meyers Rescue Mission

[19:45] <HostBob> Thanks for the info, Polar! :)

[19:45] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Is Bob the Host for this or is Stan coming to?

[19:45] <HostBob> I am the host... Stan will be here for awhile, I'm not sure how long

[19:46] <HostBob> It's kinda tough on him - 2 AM there, and he has to do this again on Wed night for the other session

[19:46] <gigi-VHL> Hello, dear friends...i had trouble getting in

[19:46] <HostBob> Well, you made it, and we are glad you did!

[19:46] <gigi-VHL> thanks, bob

[19:46] <hope-VHL> We really appreciate you and Stan!

[19:46] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Quick question, I just read that Barak said he will back Peres and Lukid had ??? Who is ??? and what are the odds of either?

[19:47] <HostBob> And we appreciate the enthusiastic response from everyone to these sessions!

[19:47] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Tell me about 2 am it is that for me too

[19:47] <gigi-VHL> I just got back from the prophecy conference in Orlando..hal lindsey, chuck missler, jr church....so many there

[19:47] <gigi-VHL> they all believe the rapture is near

[19:47] <HostBob> I'm not sure I understand the ? , Polar...

[19:48] <HostBob> Oh, super, Gigi! I hope you will share some of it!

[19:48] <HostBob> I enjoy listening to Chuck Missler

[19:48] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Who is Moshe Katsav? What are his chances to be the next Pres of Isreal?

[19:48] <gigi-VHL> chuck is a brilliant man but humble...he choked up a few times

[19:49] <HostBob> I can't help you with that one, Polar - perhaps Stan can answer it

[19:49] <gigi-VHL> essence of the conference: we should all be looking, watching world events, have a heart for the lost and read our Bible,holy living

[19:49] <gigi-VHL> also, gary kah was there...he knows a lot of government stuff

[19:49] <HostBob> Sounds like a great "plan" for all of us, gigi!!!

[19:50] <gigi-VHL> amen

[19:50] <HostBob> I do know, Polar.... that the President position is supposed to be non-political in nature....

[19:50] <gigi-VHL> Jack and Rexella Van Impe were there the last night.....He seems to have gotten off the trail somewhat

[19:51] <HostBob> and for that reason many feel that Shimon Peres is unsuited for it

[19:51] <HostBob> off the trail?

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[19:52] <hope-VHL> Gigi, what do you mean by off the trail?

[19:52] <gigi-VHL> He compares the Catholic Bible with Scripture very favorably....for one thing. He calls the pope the "Holy Father"...no one is the HOLY Father but the LORD

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[19:52] <HostBob> So easy for any of us to get "off the trail" huh?

[19:52] <hope-VHL> I think he's a nut case

[19:52] <HostBob> Welcom, Carrie, gran, snow!

[19:52] <HostBob> That's a shame, gigi :(

[19:53] <gigi-VHL> Yes, it is so easy....and Jack has been preaching for over 40 yrs

[19:53] <hope-VHL> Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude, but he really gets on my nerves

[19:53] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Who, Hope?

[19:53] <HostBob> Yes, we all have to deal with the "pride factor" huh?

[19:53] <hope-VHL> Jack Van Impe

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[19:53] <HostBob> Shalom and welcome, Eddy!

[19:54] <HostBob> We've got a good group already and it's not even 8 PM!

[19:54] <gigi-VHL> but i was at the conference and he was there...i did not go to see him

[19:54] <Polar_Bear-VHL> 2:00 am

[19:54] <HostBob> where are you, Polar?

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[19:54] <HostBob> Welcome Chris!!!

[19:54] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Estonia, same time as Isreal

[19:54] <chris-VHL> :-)Thanks

[19:54] <snow-VHL> Hello everyone:-)I just have a minute, but wanted to say hello. I will probably miss all the talk tonight, I have to go to a meeting at church.5

[19:55] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Scandinavian Polar

[19:55] <HostBob> Check the VHL site for the transcript tomorrow, Snow :)

[19:55] <HostBob> Stan usually posts it

[19:55] <Gran-VHL> 6Hello Bob I am glad to get here so easy this week and on time too

[19:55] <HostBob> :) gran!

[19:55] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Where can you get the transcript?

[19:56] <HostBob> You all win the "Early bird" award! I'm not sure what the prize is! :)

[19:56] <HostBob> Usually a link on the VHL home page, Polar

[19:56] <snow-VHL> 5How do I do that Bob, I am just learning on this.

[19:56] <gigi-VHL> I did not know about the transcript...that is so great

[19:56] <hope-VHL> Salvation is strictly Jesus Christ, no works what so ever

[19:56] <gigi-VHL> have any of you heard about the unusual alignment on May 5

[19:56] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Hope is serious,

[19:57] <snow-VHL> 5No gigi.

[19:57] <gigi-VHL> in the shape of the Menorah

[19:57] <hope-VHL> That's funny Polar Bear!

[19:57] <HostBob> I have heard of it, I don't place much emphasis on it myself

[19:57] <snow-VHL> 5Thanks Bob, I'll try to check that out.

[19:57] <HostBob> I remember a similar thing back in the early 80s perhaps, a planetary alignment - people made a big deal of it then

[19:58] <Gran-VHL> 6that would be an interesting thing to see if real

[19:58] <Polar_Bear-VHL> We had a real unusual display of "Northern Lights" a few nights ago here, it was the whole sky full, and most of teh night, especially unusual because fo teh deep redish colors

[19:58] <hope-VHL> Yeah, thats when that looney Maitreiya guy came on the scene, in 1982

[19:58] <HostBob> what do you all think of him? Maitreiya? Besides the fact that he is a kook?

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[19:59] <HostBob> Welcome, Mama!

[19:59] <Polar_Bear-VHL> It's still by Grace, hope

[19:59] <gigi-VHL> i think it is interesting and significant..the Lord said the sun, moon, and stars (lights) in the sky for seasons, day and night, and for signs...look at all the blood moons on Israeli feast days...not a coincidence

[19:59] <Gran-VHL> 6I have not heard of him I must have been very busy not to

[19:59] <bayoumama-VHL> thank you

[19:59] <hope-VHL> Of course, by grace alone

[20:00] <gigi-VHL> I think the Lord is getting our attention......

[20:00] <hope-VHL> He's claiming to be the christ for all religions....

[20:00] <HostBob> I have heard some of his teachings, and its definitely the same kind of message the antichrist will be preaching - speaking of the new global "Christ consciousness" that will unite all people, the usual crap

[20:00] <Polar_Bear-VHL> We would not want to give reason to Boast, hope

[20:00] <gigi-VHL> you are so right, bob......that guy is a nut

[20:00] <hope-VHL> The NEW AGE STUFF

[20:00] <snow-VHL> 5Please pray for a friend of mine.......GREG SIMMONS.......from Texas. He had a light heart attack, he had a balloon, and he needs to stop being under so much stress. He is in Calif. and had the surgery. Will leave there tomorrow and fly back to Dallas.

[20:00] <gigi-VHL> you have it snow

[20:01] <HostBob> Will someone lead in pray for Greg?

[20:01] <HostBob> prayer

[20:01] <gigi-VHL> i am in agreement with whomever wants to lead

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 6God our Father I pray for your grace for Greg

[20:01] <hope-VHL> Polar Bear, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic?

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 6I ask for your mercy and healing for him

[20:02] <HostBob> yes, Lord

[20:02] <Gran-VHL> 6let him know your love oh Lord

[20:02] <Gran-VHL> 6and be able to feel your presence

[20:02] <Gran-VHL> 6In Jesus name Father amen

[20:02] <gigi-VHL> yes, dear Lord, heal him

[20:02] <HostBob> Amen!

[20:02] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Amen, lead him in your ways Father

[20:02] <HostBob> Welcome to Virtual Holy Land Prophecy Chat!

[20:02] <HostBob> Tonight, we will try to keep it interesting for you,

[20:02] <HostBob> as we discuss topics related to Bible prophecy.

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[20:03] <HostBob> This chat session is "officially" scheduled for one hour...

[20:03] <HostBob> but we'll probably be hanging out for a little longer

[20:03] <HostBob> than that, so stick around if you'd like!

[20:03] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Hope No I am also serious

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[20:03] <HostBob> Our discussions are based entirely on the Scriptures,

[20:03] <HostBob> which is God's revelation to us

[20:03] <HostBob> of the things that we need to know

[20:03] <HostBob> about life, about Him, and about

[20:03] <HostBob> our future and the fate of the world.

[20:03] VCI-Stan sets mode: +o HostBob

[20:03] <HostBob> Howdy Stan :)

[20:03] <HostBob> Lord Jesus, we know that the Bible

[20:03] <HostBob> is your communication to us about your

[20:03] <HostBob> power, glory and love. We ask you to be with

[20:03] <HostBob> us tonight and to guide our discussions.

[20:03] <VCI-Stan> bob, hi room :-)

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[20:04] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Wow Stan comes in with a bang:)

[20:04] <HostBob> Remember that this is an open forum.

[20:04] <HostBob> An relevant topic in which you are interested

[20:04] <HostBob> is open for discussion - so feel free

[20:04] <HostBob> to chime in with your questions, opinions,

[20:04] <HostBob> insights, etc!

[20:04] <hope-VHL> Bob and Stan you both are a true blessing!

[20:04] <gigi-VHL> Amen to that prayer

[20:04] <Gran-VHL> 6Hello Stan you made it easy to get in this time thanks

[20:04] <HostBob> Yeah, he gives me my little crown :)

[20:04] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Amen to the prayer

[20:04] <Gran-VHL> 6amen

[20:04] <snow-VHL> 5Thanks you all. Sorry, I interupted your talk, but I needed to ask this of you all before I left. I hope to see you all again. We appreciate your prayers. I am so thankful that we have a place to come together in one accord and pray. Thank the Lord. God bless you all. Have a good night.:-):-)

[20:04] <gigi-VHL> Would that we all will be wearing crowns Soon

[20:05] <hope-VHL> Good night Snow

[20:05] <HostBob> Night Snow

[20:05] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Amen Gigi in His time

[20:05] <HostBob> we will, gigi!

[20:05] <hope-VHL> AMEN GIGI

[20:05] <HostBob> soon :)

[20:05] <Polar_Bear-VHL> MOrning Snow

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[20:05] <HostBob> Welcome Rev!

[20:05] <Gran-VHL> 6night snow god bless you

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[20:05] <hope-VHL> We the bride are getting really anxious for His return!

[20:06] <HostBob> Yes, let's keep praying that the Lord will soon accomplish all that He has spoken!

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6amen hopw

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6hope

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6amen bob

[20:06] <gigi-VHL> so good to be with people who passionately love Jesus..just like at the conference...then I go back into the world, and it is so cold and uncaring....and the difference is staggering

[20:07] <gigi-VHL> no understanding of the times we are in....

[20:07] <HostBob> From today's news on VHL: The Iranian-backed, Syrian-supported Hizb'Allah terror group says

[20:07] <HostBob> Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon will not lead to peace: "There

[20:07] <HostBob> will be no peace until Israel disappears."

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[20:07] <rev226-VHL> rev226-VHL: First time chatter, good to share prophecy

[20:07] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob do you know what the statis of the Golon Hights is

[20:07] <HostBob> We are glad you are here, Rev!!

[20:07] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Maybe No understanding or knowledge of God , Jesus, Gigi

[20:08] <gigi-VHL> don't you think Isaiah 17:1 is on the horizon

[20:08] <hope-VHL> I saw that one! Bob

[20:08] <HostBob> Yes, Gran, the talks have broken off between Syria and Israel...

[20:08] <HostBob> and Syria has hardened it's stance...

[20:08] <snow-VHL> 5Goodnight everyone. I'm gone now. I'll miss you'll. See ya later.

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[20:08] <HostBob> which is probably good news

[20:08] <gigi-VHL> that is the whole program, polar bear...nor do they want to know

[20:08] <HostBob> Yes, Gigi, I do

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 6It just makes me feel so uneasy for Israel

[20:08] <HostBob> Gigi, tell everyone what Isaiah 17 is about

[20:09] <Gran-VHL> 6without the Hights Syria can send all the rockets they want

[20:09] <Polar_Bear-VHL> What was the content of teh letter to the US from Syria

[20:09] <gigi-VHL> me, too...syria is missing in the lineup for eze 38 and 39

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[20:09] <rev226-VHL> rev-226-VHL looks like the white house is putting pressure to give up more to Arafat and Assad..

[20:09] <gigi-VHL> "Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city"

[20:09] <HostBob> I know what you mean Gran - but ultimately, God will sovereignly bring about His purpose for Israel through all this

[20:09] <HostBob> Yes, Rev

[20:10] <eddy-VHL> have you heard that the next Russian census will mandate that the number 666 be part of each Russian's ID?

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6yes I know I just think of all the lose of life neadlessly

[20:10] <hope-VHL> So maybe there will be a war when Israel pulls out of Lebanon?

[20:10] <gigi-VHL> yes, i read that, eddy

[20:10] <gigi-VHL> yes, hope

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6I am a typical mother don't want any of my loved ones to get hurt

[20:10] <HostBob> I believe it will lead to that, yes, hope

[20:10] <HostBob> both because of the situation and the prophecies

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 6it would seem the next step

[20:11] <HostBob> From Ha'aretz:

[20:11] <HostBob> Palestinian opposition groups, including Ahmed Jibril's Popular Front-General Command and the Azzadin el Kassam Brigade, the military wing of Hamas, are vowing that Israel's withdrawal from South Lebanon will pave the way for armed conflict on the northern border.

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 6no I haad not read that eddy

[20:11] <gigi-VHL> Damascus has always been a city...it is the oldest Inhabited city...jericho is the oldest city

[20:11] <HostBob> Yes, Gigi, that's right

[20:12] <HostBob> but it will become a "heap of ruins" according to the Lord

[20:12] <gigi-VHL> it has never been destroyed but the Lord says someday it will Cease from being a city

[20:12] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Source? Eddy

[20:13] <gigi-VHL> polar bear..it was all over the net the other day....the people are afraid of this

[20:13] <HostBob> there are not many things that I can think of that would make an entire modern city a heap of ruins, if you get my drift

[20:13] <Polar_Bear-VHL> One of Isreals non existant nukes would do that in a hurry, but not saying that is likely or wanted

[20:13] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Sorry I'm not on a whole lot

[20:13] <HostBob> yes, Polar, exactly

[20:13] <gigi-VHL> I think Israel will probably make a preemptive strike if provoked

[20:14] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Did that mean this years census or the next one 2010?

[20:14] <HostBob> Under 2 circumstances, perhaps...

[20:14] <gigi-VHL> they will not allow the debaucle of the 1973 war to be repeated

[20:14] <Polar_Bear-VHL> They should

[20:14] <gigi-VHL> then the whole world will be against them

[20:14] <HostBob> (1) if Syria uses chem or bio weapons on Israeli cities...

[20:14] <gigi-VHL> as if they are not against them now

[20:14] <eddy-VHL> van impe stated that abc news was checking it out but I have not seen it in print yet.

[20:14] <HostBob> (2) if Syria threaten's Israel's existence with a surprise attack

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 6the world as a whole is against Isreal

[20:15] <rev226-VHL> Rev226_vhl The future of Israel is slowly/or swiftly coming in focus as the bible states. We are seing a time as spoken in Jer 30:14 Wherte Israe; will finally be without allies. This One World government via the white House " Clinton" is forcing this issue.

[20:15] <HostBob> though (2) is not likely because of Syria's inferiority in conventional weapon strength

[20:15] <Polar_Bear-VHL> But that could cause a intl our pouring of "Correctness " To "Right" the poblem worsened member

[20:15] <gigi-VHL> yes, they are.....I am boycotting Mcdonalds as they said they will not open another restaurant unless it is pre-1967

[20:15] <HostBob> Yes, Rev, good point

[20:16] <HostBob> There was another news story today about Abu Dis and what Barak said - did anyone catch that?

[20:16] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Amazing that companies are getting into this, just a sign that Jerusalem is important to many sides

[20:17] <Gran-VHL> 6I did't bob just got on

[20:17] <gigi-VHL> Christians should be aware of the antisemtic stance a lot of american companies are taking.

[20:17] <Gran-VHL> 6it is mostly about money for them

[20:17] <Polar_Bear-VHL> What was the content of the letter Syria sent to the US that caused this quick meet with Bill BArak?

[20:17] <hope-VHL> I didn't see it Bob

[20:17] <gigi-VHL> I know...it is the money...and the arabs have a lot of clout

[20:17] <HostBob> From today's Jerusalem Post: JERUSALEM (April 10) - On the eve of his departure today for a summit with US President Bill Clinton, Prime Minister Ehud Barak laid out his vision of a future Palestinian entity.

[20:17] <HostBob> He said that while Ma'aleh Adumim, Givat Ze'ev, Gilo, and Ramot would be part of united Jerusalem in the future, there is "no interest" in annexing the approximately 50,000 Palestinians living in villages on the capital's outskirts, such as Abu Dis and Anata.

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[20:18] <Gran-VHL> 6yes they do

[20:18] <HostBob> Abu Dis is near the Mount of Olives

[20:18] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Not only no interest it is suicideal? NO?

[20:18] <HostBob> it is the place that the PA is already constructing a building for their parliment or whatever they will call it

[20:18] <hope-VHL> I read something that this will give Israel the opportunity to build the new temple...

[20:18] <HostBob> Welcome, Plumb!!!

[20:19] <gigi-VHL> i am sorry that i have to leave so early tonight.....all take care and may the Lord bless, Olivia

[20:19] <HostBob> What will, hope?

[20:19] <HostBob> Bye Gigi! Thanks for coming!!

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[20:19] <hope-VHL> Good Night Olivia, God Bless

[20:19] <Gran-VHL> 6bye gigi

[20:19] <plumbline-VHL> thankyou2

[20:19] <HostBob> So... Barak seems to be already conceding Abu Dis to the Palestinians...

[20:20] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Bye Gigi, be faithful to shine for Jesus.

[20:20] <HostBob> and they want a "corridor" from there to the Temple Mount!

[20:20] <hope-VHL> What does the "corridor" mean

[20:20] <Gran-VHL> 6I read something about Barak saying they could have their capital on the Mount of Olives

[20:20] <HostBob> Corridor, I think, means an strip under their control to give them access

[20:21] <HostBob> Yes, Gran, that's Abu Dis

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6yes I wouls seem so bob

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6Oh well I didn't know that name bob

[20:21] <Polar_Bear-VHL> I looks to me that the PA simply is saying the same thing, and making fools out of Isreal(Barak), saying "They are doing nothing" all the time as they get more and more.

[20:21] <HostBob> But the PA repeatedly insists that they will have Jerusalem, and they will never give up on that goal

[20:22] <HostBob> Yes, Polar

[20:22] <Gran-VHL> 6what about the word that Bibi may have a chance to come back

[20:22] <hope-VHL> Yeah, Polar, it looks like all they do anymore is give give give

[20:22] <HostBob> Yes, Gran, it seems that possibility is becoming stronger

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 6so many in Israel are not religious Jews and will give anything for peace

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 6but that will not be peace

[20:23] <HostBob> It seems that perhaps the people may be understanding the perilous situation that Barak may lead them to?

[20:23] <HostBob> yes, Gran

[20:23] <Polar_Bear-VHL> I wish Bibi would get back in quick to lead the war. You know that was why he was taken out, (with Bill Clinton's help)?

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[20:23] <HostBob> Welcome, Stella!

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 6I would hope so maybe some more will get some brains

[20:24] <Gran-VHL> 6Hi Stella

[20:24] <HostBob> Well, we have the luxury of seeing the "big picture" from the standpoint of Bible prophecy, right?

[20:24] <rev226-VHL> REv226-vhl Did anyone see the article about the arab educational system . There focus is on teaching their student to be as aggressive about the conquest of Israel.. How Can this culture or Attitude be reversed.. Fulfill scripture/'/

[20:24] <Gran-VHL> 6Clinton is a royal pain to the situation

[20:25] <Gran-VHL> 6he is here iin the US also of course

[20:25] <HostBob> Knowing that whatever dire situation Israel finds itself in in the future, that it is being orchestrated by the Messiah Yeshua to bring them to the day when they "know He is the Lord"!

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[20:25] <Gran-VHL> 6yes you must be correct there bob

[20:25] <HostBob> Rev, you are right, it is an integral part of their culture - hatred of Jews

[20:25] <hope-VHL> AMEN BOB

[20:25] <HostBob> that's why the "peace process" is superficial at best

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[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6and all this because Sarah and Abraham wanted a child

[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6and got the wrong one

[20:26] <HostBob> : ) Gran

[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6<g>

[20:26] <HostBob> " a wild donkey of a man" huh? :)

[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6and the wrong mother

[20:26] <Polar_Bear-VHL> I just thought, that IF you were right and Isreali's will give anything for Peace, then they need to try all else then HE, the Prince of Peace will come.

[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6for sure

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[20:27] <HostBob> Yes, Polar, like most of us, huh? When we come to the end of ourselves and can only look up and cry out to the Lord?

[20:27] <hope-VHL> Well not all Arabs are bad Gran, I'm part Arab, and I love Jewish people.......Especially my Lord!

[20:27] <HostBob> Amen, hope! :)

[20:28] <Gran-VHL> 6yes hope I do know that there are many Arab belivers

[20:28] <Polar_Bear-VHL> What about the ideas that the arabs will also all turn to Jesus, once they are shown clearly that Alah is not, then they will wonder who is

[20:28] <hope-VHL> I'm even married to a former Muslim, he is a Jesus lover now, Praise God!

[20:28] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Exactly Bob, like in personal life

[20:28] <HostBob> Polar, I was reading some interesting prophecies re: Egypt in Isaiah

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> 6praise God hope

[20:29] <HostBob> Isaiah 19

[20:29] <hope-VHL> I don't know about that one, Polar....I think the Bible is referring to the Jews

[20:29] <eddy-VHL> :-] hope

[20:29] <rev226-VHL> Rev226_vhl The overiding theme of most Arabs is the taking back of Israel..That can not change/However For Israel to just give up makes no sense and that is what Barak seemsto be doing..He has to make a grandstand play eventually.

[20:29] <HostBob> that seem to confirm some things about that, that Egypt will turn to the Lord also - I don't know when or how

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[20:30] <HostBob> In that day the Egyptians will be like women. They will shudder with fear at the uplifted hand that the LORD Almighty raises against them.

[20:30] <HostBob> And the land of Judah will bring terror to the Egyptians; everyone to whom Judah is mentioned will be terrified, because of what the LORD Almighty is planning against them.

[20:30] <HostBob> In that day five cities in Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear allegiance to the LORD Almighty. One of them will be called the City of Destruction.

[20:30] <Polar_Bear-VHL> That was one someone bounced off of me a few years ago, but many, maybe most muslims are really truth seeking, "Caught" they need juts to be re-directed

[20:30] <HostBob> That was Isaiah 19:16-18

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[20:31] <HostBob> Yes, Rev - the Arabs will not abandon their goal of the destruction of Israel

[20:31] <hope-VHL> It's the hatred that is embedded into the Arabs and Jews towards each other.....my heart aches for them

[20:31] <HostBob> unfortunately

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[20:32] <rev226-VHL> rev226-vhl Bob appreciate your biblical insight...God bless you for you diligence.

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> 6it is the hatred that is the driviing force

[20:32] <HostBob> Thanks Rev - isn't the word of God SWEET? :)

[20:32] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Isa 19 I see that as a possible, say God "Melts" desroys the idols, so they turn to God, (the truth seekers), then the natural result would be war with the hard core Muslims? I Dunno maybe?

[20:33] <HostBob> could be Polar, I'm puzzled about how all that might come about...

[20:33] <HostBob> but it will, that's a certainty

[20:33] <Polar_Bear-VHL> That was IS 19:1-7

[20:33] <hope-VHL> Maybe the non religious Muslims, but the real hard core ones, will not turn

[20:33] <Gran-VHL> 6and the Muslims that want to control everything in so many countries even killing so many Christians

[20:33] <HostBob> yes, Gran

[20:34] <hope-VHL> That's right Gran, if my husband goes back to his homeland he could be killed because he now believes in Christ.

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> 6I know it is only the hardcore and isn't it only one faction of them that are that way

[20:35] <Polar_Bear-VHL> But can't you see how, If the Lord showed Himself strong, and more than Allah then many of teh simple "Muslims" would turn to him in a heart beat?

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 6yes I know

[20:35] <hope-VHL> Yea, Polar, I've witnessed to Muslim friends of mine....they see something in me that is different....they seem to want it, but are scared

[20:36] <rev226-VHL> rev226-vhl It seems like we all see persecution on the horizon,,Either Christian or Jew. But persecution will bring the real church out of it's slumber..

[20:36] <HostBob> That's an interesting thought, Polar

[20:36] <Polar_Bear-VHL> The Church has always grown in every way through persecution

[20:36] <HostBob> Yes, Rev, exactly! And unfortunately that's probably the only thing that will

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 6Even here in the States the Muslim ways control them

[20:37] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Bob is that not what has is happening in Indonesia?

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[20:37] <hope-VHL> From experience, Muslims, know the Bible VERY well......so you need to know what to say

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 6I read about that

[20:37] <HostBob> Yes, Polar, in many parts of the world

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 6I get a daily newsletter from Charisma magazine that tells about what is going on in the world

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[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 6I read that even in France Christians have become a minority

[20:38] <rev226-VHL> rev226-vhlMuslims are biblically aware from the Old testament..The new is a closed book..

[20:39] <Polar_Bear-VHL> God used, "Natural disasters" to get thier attention until there were "Thousands calling upon GOd adn teh government denied it officially, then now later the killing BOB

[20:39] <hope-VHL> Yes, Rev.....but they do know about Jesus and the Virgin Birth

[20:40] <HostBob> I would think, Gran, that both in Europe and the US "genuine" Christians are already a very small minority

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 6there are many Palistenian Chritians

[20:41] <hope-VHL> Yes, but are they TRUE believers Gran?

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 6well it seems so in some ways but the groundswell of spirit filled Christians are on a come back

[20:41] <HostBob> Some are, some aren't, just like in any church

[20:41] <Gran-VHL> 6well I am only going by a book that I read a number of years ago

[20:42] <hope-VHL> Persecution is what separates the true ones from the false

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 6they had a seminary also can't remember just where it was

[20:42] <HostBob> I agree that we have to temper our understanding of the Bible prophecies about the Arabs in opposition to Israel with the understanding that there are true Palestinian believers, who are our brothers

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 6yes persecution also makes many folks stand firm because they know HIM

[20:43] <HostBob> Yes, hope, gran

[20:43] <rev226-VHL> rev226-vhl A real Break would be to see a true manifestation of God in our churces..Like that spoken of in the book the GOD Chasers..We need a real manifestation...But that takes holiness..We need the outpouring is right of His SPIRIT>

[20:43] <hope-VHL> AMEN GRAN

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 6amen rev and I can see it coming

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 6from what we hear at church the church is coming alive

[20:44] <hope-VHL> Who is the Author of the God Chasers Rev?

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 6Tommy Tenney

[20:44] <hope-VHL> Thanks

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 6I think I spelled it right

[20:44] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Well, I need to turn in so, maybe can do this again another time.

[20:44] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Good morning to all, God bless

[20:45] <rev226-VHL> rev226-vhl The author of God Chasers is Tommy Tenney..

[20:45] <HostBob> Yes, Rev, but be careful that we are not just seeking a "manifestation" but God himself, humbling ourselves in repentance - because some are only seeking the experience of a manifestation, and when you do that, you open yourself up to other influences

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 6Polar are you at the north pole or just way up north

[20:45] <hope-VHL> Good Night Polar Bear....God Bless

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 6to see the Northern lights

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[20:45] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Only 59th latitude

[20:45] <hope-VHL> What's a manifestation?

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 6where is that

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 6never good at geography

[20:46] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Just 55 miles south of Helsinki, Finnland

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 6Oh thanks for the info

[20:46] <hope-VHL> WOW!!! You are far away! Or we are....LOL

[20:46] <HostBob> I would understand it to be, Hope, as in genuine revivals of the past, the true presence of His Spirit, convicting of sin, humbling people, breaking pride, assurance of forgiveness and mercy, and the FEAR OF THE LORD

[20:47] <HostBob> not just an exuberant feeling

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[20:47] <rev226-VHL> Rev 226-vhl Manifestation a real visit from God amongst His people..Where Holiness and repentance is present..

[20:47] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Amen Bob, that is revival, the real type

[20:47] <hope-VHL> Well then I've been manifested!!!!

[20:47] <HostBob> and not just some person leading people into an emotional frenzy

[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 6amen

[20:47] <HostBob> yes, the real type

[20:48] <hope-VHL> Thanks Bob, I get it

[20:48] <Gran-VHL> 6signs and wonders can be tricky

[20:48] <rev226-VHL> rev226-vhl Praise God Hope Press on to High Call in Christ Jesus.He Loves us all But without Purity we cannot get close

[20:49] <HostBob> Yes, rev...

[20:49] <hope-VHL> Repentance is the KEY, without it we're lost

[20:49] <Polar_Bear-VHL> Later gang, goot to get some sleep the sun will be coming up in two hours

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[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 6Rev all we can do is to press on for the hight call of God none have been pure but Jesus

[20:49] <hope-VHL> Good night Polar

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 6He is our example and goal to be like HIM

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 6nite polar

[20:50] <HostBob> I have a little problem with the new "diving in" paradigm.. I don' t see that as how we "ascend" to His holy hill and approach Him - does anyone know what I mean?

[20:50] <rev226-VHL> rev226-vhl Good night Polar .. Nice to chat with you..

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[20:50] <Polar_Bear-VHL> May we decrease and Jesus increase more and more

[20:50] <hope-VHL> I have no clue, Bob

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 6not here Bob

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 6amen polar

[20:50] <HostBob> Welcome to Sue, and Jazene! :)

[20:50] <HostBob> OK - I think I need to give that more thought before I pursue it :)

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[20:51] <jazene-VHL> good evening all

[20:51] <hope-VHL> Great, maybe next Monday you can bring it back up Bob!

[20:51] <HostBob> To change the subject a little...I was reading today from Joel 3.... it's the Lord talking about the final judgment of the nations... and look at what He says are some of His reasons... from a larger historical perspective...

[20:51] <jazene-VHL> what is the subject

[20:51] <HostBob> ok hope :)

[20:51] <HostBob> 'In those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,

[20:51] <HostBob> I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.

[20:51] <HostBob> They cast lots for my people and traded boys for prostitutes; they sold girls for wine that they might drink.

[20:52] <joyful-VHL> Hello! everyone!

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[20:52] <HostBob> So.. the Lord is citing the mistreatment of Israel for His judgment of the nations....

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 6Hi joyful

[20:52] <hope-VHL> Hi Joyful

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 6Hi jazene and Sue

[20:52] <HostBob> verse 4: 'Now what have you against me, O Tyre and Sidon and all you regions of Philistia? Are you repaying me for something I have done? If you are paying me back, I will swiftly and speedily return on your own heads what you have done. (Joel 3:4 NIV)

[20:52] <joyful-VHL> Hi! hope!

[20:53] <hope-VHL> I'll be right back...

[20:53] <jazene-VHL> hi gran

[20:53] <HostBob> God will judge the nations because they "scattered His people"

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[20:53] <HostBob> and "divided up His land"

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[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 6I see that Bob I will have to study Joel also

[20:53] <jazene-VHL> but aren't all the jews supposed to return home soon

[20:53] <HostBob> Looks like God has a long memory about those things, huh?

[20:53] <Boaz_cb-VHL> My dad's last name is Boaz and I feel that the need to learn as much about the jewish faith as possible. Thanks for letting me be here.

[20:54] <HostBob> They are returning, Jazene, it's a gradual process

[20:54] <HostBob> still going on today

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 6God uses nations like he used Pharo and hardened his heart

[20:54] <HostBob> Welcome, Boaz!

[20:54] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 7Thanks Bob

[20:54] <Gran-VHL> 6wecome Boaz

[20:55] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 7Hello Gran

[20:55] <HostBob> We are glad that you are here! Most of us here are believers that Yeshua is the Messiah of Israel, in fulfillment of the Jewish prophecies of Scripture

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 6amen

[20:55] <HostBob> Yes, Gran!

[20:56] <jazene-VHL> amen and yes Lord

[20:56] <HostBob> I thought that verse 4 was quite interesting.... God said earlier "it's my land".....

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[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 6in reading here in VHL the other day I found out that I am a Christian Zionist

[20:56] <HostBob> And He confronts those who have something against him regarding the land: 'Now what have you against me, O Tyre and Sidon and all you regions of Philistia? Are you repaying me for something I have done?

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 6Now I know after all the years of loving Israel why I do

[20:57] <HostBob> What did the Lord do to them that they have something against them?

[20:57] <HostBob> Amen, Gran! :)

[20:57] <jazene-VHL> 3what is a Christian Zionist?

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 6one who loves Israel and want to help her become who she should be for God

[20:57] <HostBob> I guess I scared Boaz away, but I didn't want there to be any misconceptions about who we are

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 6well maybe he got bumped off

[20:58] <rev226-VHL> rev226-vhl In most cases in particular israel. Both The Northern Kingdom and JUdah were unfaithful..They brought about there own dispersion via here dis Obedience..

[20:58] <HostBob> yes, maybe

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 6amen Rev

[20:58] <jazene-VHL> 3and you would think that after all these years and all the prophicies that have been fulfilled the jews would start to believe what the bible tells us.

[20:58] <HostBob> soon, Jazene :)

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 6they went after other gods even right after promising that they would be true to the only God

[20:59] <joyful-VHL> Ps. 83: 1 Keeo not thou silence O G-d: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O G-d. For lo thine enemise make a tumult: and they that hate thee have liftest up the head.

[20:59] <HostBob> Yes, Lord!

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 6amen

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[21:00] <HostBob> Welcome back, Boaz! Did you get "bounced" out?

[21:00] <rev226-VHL> rev226-vhl The jewish heart is blocked. evidentally until the 144,000 are sent...In Is 28 there is a mention about they can not understand even after it the Scripture points out there problem...

[21:00] <joyful-VHL> They have taken crafty cousel against thy people and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come and let us cut them off from being a nation;that the name of Israel may no more be in remembrance.

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 6good you are back Boaz

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[21:00] <Boaz_cb-VHL> I want so much to stay on but I keep bouncing

[21:01] <jazene-VHL> 3does anyone know how many of the 144,000 have yet to return

[21:01] <joyful-VHL> Oh my G-d make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6that can happen to anyone Boaz

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6it does me a lot

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[21:02] <joyful-VHL> So peresecute them with thy tempest and make them afraid with thy storm.

[21:02] <HostBob> Here is an interesting prophecy, speaking of the future of Israel: "In those days, at that time," declares the LORD, "the people of Israel and the people of Judah together will go in tears to seek the LORD their God. They will ask the way to Zion and turn their faces toward it. They will come and bind themselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten. (Jeremiah 50:4-5 NIV)

[21:02] <Gran-VHL> 6jazene I think only God can know that now

[21:02] <HostBob> Yes, Joyful, that verse sounds like Hezbollah said today

[21:02] <joyful-VHL> Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O Lord.

[21:03] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 7Who is it that is about to build his capital on the Mt. of Olives?

[21:03] <joyful-VHL> Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea let them be put to shame and perish. ( the enemies of G-d's people)

[21:03] <HostBob> Boaz, that's Abu Dis.... a small arab village near the mount of olives...

[21:04] <HostBob> hold on and I'll paste a news item from today about i

[21:04] <HostBob> it

[21:04] <joyful-VHL> That men may know that thou whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.

[21:04] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 7I read something about it today but I can't remember

[21:04] <HostBob> JERUSALEM (April 10) - On the eve of his departure today for a summit with US President Bill Clinton, Prime Minister Ehud Barak laid out his vision of a future Palestinian entity.

[21:04] <HostBob> He said that while Ma'aleh Adumim, Givat Ze'ev, Gilo, and Ramot would be part of united Jerusalem in the future, there is "no interest" in annexing the approximately 50,000 Palestinians living in villages on the capital's outskirts, such as Abu Dis and Anata.

[21:05] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 7Oh, ok, thanks

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[21:05] <HostBob> The Palestinian Authority is already constructing a building there for their governmental HQ

[21:05] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 7When did they start it

[21:06] <HostBob> I'm not sure, some time ago, it's partially done, from what I hear

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob and all of you its been great but I have a bible study to get to at 10 and need to take a break. See you all next week same place same time

[21:06] <jazene-VHL> 3has anyone else heard the news about the mirco chips going on sale i believe it is next year for inserction into humans?

[21:06] <HostBob> Gran, thanks for joining us!!!

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[21:06] <hope-VHL> Good Night Gran....God bless you

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 6IN HIM Gran

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 6thanks and the same to all of you POOFFF

[21:07] <HostBob> Yes, Jazene, the "digital angel"? we talked about that last week

[21:07] <hope-VHL> Digital Angel, Jazene?

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[21:07] <jazene-VHL> 3good nite gran and God Bless

[21:07] <jazene-VHL> 3yes that is it. what do you make of it

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[21:08] <jazene-VHL> 3i read about it this past week also from i believe that was sent to me.

[21:08] <jazene-VHL> 3e-mail

[21:08] <HostBob> It doesn't concern me - it in all likelihood will lead someday to a compulsory device that may be the "mark of the beast" but we needn't worry about that

[21:09] <HostBob> we know it will happen, right? and we know what to look for (assuming we are here)

[21:09] <jazene-VHL> 3thanks bob

[21:09] <hope-VHL> Right Bob, we know NOT to get ANY marks whatsoever

[21:09] <jazene-VHL> 3And I just thank the Good Lord everyday that I won't be here.

[21:10] <HostBob> Well, I think that "the mark" will be clearly a voluntary sign of devotion to the "beast"

[21:10] <HostBob> Well, Jazene, does that mean you will be raptured, or martyred? :)

[21:10] <HostBob> Because I hope you are ready for either :)

[21:10] <jazene-VHL> 3I Hope raptured

[21:10] <hope-VHL> What do you mean you won't be here.......

[21:11] <jazene-VHL> 3yes either way I am quite ready.

[21:11] <HostBob> Great! :)

[21:11] <hope-VHL> Oh, Oh, Bob, thats a whole nother story....

[21:11] <HostBob> yeah :)

[21:11] <hope-VHL> Great Jazene, you should be prepared either way!

[21:11] <jazene-VHL> 3I Pray that I will be caught up.

[21:12] <HostBob> Sooner or later, you will

[21:12] <HostBob> :)

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[21:12] <HostBob> Welcome Back, Boaz!

[21:13] <HostBob> Here is something I was reading today, a Messianic prophecy from Isaiah 42:

[21:13] <Boaz_cb-VHL> Thanks Bob, Maybe if I just listen I won't get bounced off, Ha

[21:13] <HostBob> LOL Boaz

[21:13] <HostBob> "Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him and he will teach the true way to the nations. (Isaiah 42:1)

[21:14] <rev226-VHL> rev226-vhl Good nite all you brothersw and sisters in The Lord..Psalm 94:5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in the Lord. Whose heart is set on Pilgrimage..Good nite

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[21:14] <hope-VHL> Good night Rev....God bless you

[21:14] <HostBob> He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth the true way (Isaiah 42:2-3 )

[21:14] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Bye Rev

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[21:15] <HostBob> He will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes the true way on earth. And the coastlands shall await his teaching" (Isaiah 42:4)

[21:15] <HostBob> Interesting, huh?

[21:16] <hope-VHL> Yeah !

[21:16] <HostBob> What does that tell us about the Messiah?

[21:16] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Really interesting

[21:16] <HostBob> That the Lord delights in him...

[21:17] <hope-VHL> The Earth is crying out for His return!

[21:17] <HostBob> that the Spirit of God will be on Him...

[21:17] <HostBob> that he will teach the "true way" to the nations!

[21:17] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Makes me get excited just thinking about it

[21:17] <HostBob> Yeah :)

[21:17] <HostBob> But... there is an unexpected part, huh?

[21:18] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Do you think ANY of the nations have it now

[21:18] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3What

[21:18] <HostBob> Unlike the popular expectations... He will not "raise his voice in the streets" - He will not initially arrive as a great political savior...

[21:18] <HostBob> but as a humble servant

[21:19] <hope-VHL> As a lamb

[21:19] <HostBob> yes

[21:19] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3When we see Him?

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[21:19] <HostBob> Boaz, it says "the coastlands will await His teaching"....

[21:20] <hope-VHL> He will be a LION when we see Him

[21:20] <HostBob> meaning that the message of the good news of the Kingdom of God will be sent throughout the world

[21:20] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3I don't understand

[21:20] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3When

[21:20] <HostBob> When Yeshua left, He gave his followers a mission...

[21:21] <hope-VHL> He came once already, humble servant, a lamb to the slaughter for all of us, the next time He comes, He will come as a King of Kings, Lord of Lords, as a Lion

[21:21] <HostBob> to spread the good news of the arrival of the King around the world

[21:21] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Ok, now I understand

[21:21] <HostBob> Yes, Hope!!

[21:21] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3I think, Will He come back to earth or just in the clouds

[21:21] <HostBob> Both, Boaz

[21:22] <hope-VHL> Rest Assured , ALL WILL SEE HIM, in ALL HIS GLORY

[21:22] <HostBob> First in the clouds (according to Daniel) and then on the earth (according to Zechariah)

[21:22] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Will everyone know that it is Him

[21:22] <hope-VHL> The Bible says that EVERY knee will bow and EVERY tongue confess that HE is LORD

[21:22] <HostBob> Here is what He Himself said about it, Boaz...

[21:23] <HostBob> For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. (Matthew 24:27 NIV)

[21:23] <hope-VHL> The skies will pull back like a scroll.....

[21:24] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3But will everyone recognize the light as Him or maybe some think it is something else?

[21:24] <HostBob> "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. (Daniel 7:13 NIV)

[21:24] <HostBob> This is what Jesus was referring to when He made His great confession while on trial before Caiphas

[21:24] <HostBob> It won't be just light, Boaz - it will be obvious it is Jesus

[21:24] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Who is the ancient of days

[21:24] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Will the ones left know that He has come

[21:24] <HostBob> The Ancient of Days is a name for God the Father

[21:25] <HostBob> Every eye will see Him

[21:25] <yashana-VHL> Whats your opinion on the ufo/demon theory that they're one and the same?

[21:25] <HostBob> Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. (Revelation 1:7 NIV)

[21:25] <hope-VHL> Don't let any fool you Boaz, He won't arrive in a plane from the clouds, like some say, He will make an entrance like NO OTHER

[21:25] <HostBob> Yes, Hope is right, because a counterfeit messiah will come first, doing miracles and wonders

[21:26] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Wow, I just thought that maybe the ones left would think it was a UFO ( not trying to be funny)

[21:26] <HostBob> Yashana, I believe that to be the case

[21:26] <HostBob> When He comes, Boaz, it will be as a warrior, bring judgment to the nations and making war against them

[21:26] <HostBob> so it will be obvious

[21:27] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3I'm confused, We were taught that He would come for His children and then there would be a tribulation period

[21:27] <hope-VHL> There is NO secret Rapture Boaz, too many people are caught up with that, they think they won't see any persecution....the true believers will be raptured, but it won't be a SECRET, everyone will see it and it will be AFTER the persecution, not before

[21:28] <HostBob> Boaz, there is some disagreement among believers regardin that... some believe that there will be a rapture beforehand, some see the rapture and the 2nd coming as the same event

[21:28] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Why would God want His children to suffer?

[21:28] <hope-VHL> You have to be ready to die for your faith, for your belief.....It's not God's wrath that we will endure..

[21:28] <HostBob> We are called to follow Jesus - didn't the Father allow the Son to suffer greatly?

[21:28] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Yeah, that's what we were taught

[21:29] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Yeah, but I thought He did it so that we wouldn't have to

[21:29] <hope-VHL> God would never put us through His wrath......but we are NEVER promised we wouldn't endure Satan's wrath

[21:29] <HostBob> We cannot suffer for "sins" the way He did, that is correct...

[21:29] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3I guess Rachel Scott did didn't she?

[21:29] <HostBob> but we are called, even now, to suffer by identifying with Him and enduring that hatred of those who hate Him

[21:30] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3I'm not so excited to be in this generation anymore

[21:30] <HostBob> yes, Boaz, exacly

[21:30] <HostBob> LOL - be excited - God will use us to be his witnesses

[21:30] <hope-VHL> I AM! I long for His return.......God will give us the courage

[21:30] <HostBob> and will strengthen us to endure whatever we have to... IF we stay close to Him

[21:31] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3I have always that He applies the grace as it is needed, Guess we just have to go on that

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[21:31] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Believed I should have said

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[21:31] <hope-VHL> Think about it this way Boaz, Jesus gave everything He could for us, we should LIVE to give Him everything we could, even if it means our life

[21:31] <HostBob> "But keep on the alert at all times, praying in order that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man." (Luke 21:36 NASB)

[21:32] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Guess I just had a different view of escape, Still I hope I am right

[21:32] <yashana-VHL> I'm talking about when satan gets kicked out of Heaven and cast down to Earth; You've never that some believe that he and his demons will arrive as "enlightened ones" to lead the inhabitants of Earth into the next step in their evolution into self-diety?

[21:32] <HostBob> You may be, Boaz, but we need to be prepared either way

[21:32] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Oh Boy, it gets more complicated.

[21:32] <HostBob> Yes, yashana, it seems that the new age teachers are preparing the world for that

[21:33] <hope-VHL> Boaz, there's a book you might find interesting, I know for 33 years I believed I was going to escape....not anymore.....the book is called The Rapture question Answered Plain and Simple, by Robert Van Kampen.....

[21:33] <HostBob> I believe that will happen

[21:33] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3I thought that satan was already kicked out of heaven

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[21:33] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Thanks Hope, I will find it.

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[21:33] <HostBob> The world will be astonished at the arrival of the ET wise masters, who will supposedly help lead us to the next level of evolution...

[21:34] <HostBob> and anyone who scoffs and calls them "demons" will be thought to be insane

[21:34] <yashana-VHL> he still access to the third heaven to accuse the brethren

[21:34] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3I know the Bible says that even the elect would be fooled if it were possible, not sure what that means

[21:34] <hope-VHL> IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, there is the key

[21:35] <HostBob> The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 NIV)

[21:35] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Fooled by what though?

[21:35] <HostBob> By supernatural powers, and a

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[21:35] <HostBob> wise message of hope

[21:35] <HostBob> supposedly wise, that is

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[21:35] <HostBob> to "redeem" mankind

[21:35] <hope-VHL> You will not be fooled by the AntiChrist, if you are truly a believer....you will Know what to look for and be prepared.....so

[21:36] <HostBob> Yes, Hope

[21:36] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Do you think it will be soon?

[21:36] <yashana-VHL> his false peace

[21:36] <hope-VHL> when all these False Messiahs start coming out of the wood works.....be ware

[21:36] <HostBob> We know it will be "soon" - Jesus said "I am coming quickly" which is just as true now as then

[21:37] <HostBob> and there are many signs today

[21:37] <yashana-VHL> people will be fooled by his false peace

[21:37] <HostBob> but we don't know if it will be one year, ten years, 20, or 200

[21:37] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3Something is in the air, everyone knows that even unbelievers

[21:37] <hope-VHL> I believe it is sooner than most people care to believe

[21:37] <HostBob> even so, it will be soon

[21:37] <HostBob> yes, hope

[21:37] <HostBob> I think so too

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[21:38] <hope-VHL> The earth is coming apart at the scemes (spell check)

[21:38] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3I'd like to stay alnight and ask questions and listen but I have to go now...thanks..until next time

[21:38] <yashana-VHL> I think this is the most possible

[21:38] <hope-VHL> Good Night Boaz, May God truly bless you

[21:38] <HostBob> Stan referred in his email that he sent out to a prophecy in Hosea.... the millenium being a the "sabbath day"

[21:39] <HostBob> See ya Boaz!

[21:39] <yashana-VHL> I just dont know how to type

[21:39] <Boaz_cb-VHL> 3And you all too thanks Hope and Bob...Bye

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[21:39] <hope-VHL> I didn't hear that Bob

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[21:39] <HostBob> OK - Shall we look at a fascinating prophecy in Hosea?

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[21:40] <hope-VHL> YEAH

[21:40] <snow-VHL> Hello, :-)I made it back. 62

[21:40] <HostBob> This is an overview of the Lord's dealings with Israel over the centuries... take a look....

[21:40] <hope-VHL> Hi Snow, welcome back

[21:41] <HostBob> For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, like a great lion to Judah. I will tear them to pieces and go away; I will carry them off, with no one to rescue them. Then I will go back to my place until they admit their guilt. And they will seek my face; in their misery they will earnestly seek me." "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds. After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will

[21:41] <HostBob> restore us, that we may live in his presence. Let us acknowledge the LORD; let us press on to acknowledge him. As surely as the sun rises, he will appear; he will come to us like the winter rains, like the spring rains that water the earth."

[21:41] <HostBob> First...

[21:41] <HostBob> The Lord was "like a lion to them"

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[21:41] <HostBob> speaking of them being "carried off" to the nations for centuries, right?

[21:41] <HostBob> Then look!

[21:41] <HostBob> He says.....

[21:41] <hope-VHL> I'm lost

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[21:42] <HostBob> ok, Hope, I'll back up... :)

[21:43] <HostBob> The Lord allowed Israel to be captured and exiled because of their disobedience, right? And because they did not recognize " the day of their visitation" - when the Messiah arrived

[21:43] <hope-VHL> O.k

[21:43] <HostBob> so He was "like a lion" to them - they were torn apart...

[21:43] <HostBob> and... here it the first exciting part....

[21:43] <HostBob> Then I will go back to my place until they admit their guilt. And they will seek my face; in their misery they will earnestly seek me."

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[21:44] <hope-VHL> I get it now

[21:44] <HostBob> Who went "back to his place" for a little while?

[21:44] <HostBob> and until when?

[21:44] <HostBob> And then what happens?

[21:44] <hope-VHL> Wait now

[21:44] <HostBob> Jesus returns to the Father's right hand, until "they admit their guilt"... and then.... they will seek His face

[21:45] <hope-VHL> Jesus went back

[21:45] <hope-VHL> Good, I'm on the right track

[21:45] <HostBob> And the next part is what they will say as they are returning to Him and seeking Him...

[21:45] <HostBob> "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds."

[21:45] <HostBob> and listen to THIS!!!

[21:46] <HostBob> After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.

[21:46] <HostBob> Let us acknowledge the LORD; let us press on to acknowledge him. As surely as the sun rises, he will appear; he will come to us like the winter rains, like the spring rains that water the earth."

[21:46] <hope-VHL> This is when Israel sees Him as their Messiah?

[21:46] <HostBob> After TWO DAYS HE WILL REVIVE US

[21:46] <HostBob> yes, Hope

[21:46] <HostBob> on the THIRD DAY he will restore us - the Millenium, the Kingdom, is the time of restoration for Israel

[21:47] <hope-VHL> Is the third day the end of the

[21:47] <HostBob> it is on the THIRD DAY after the Messiah returns to His place

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[21:47] <HostBob> and then "He will appear"!!!

[21:47] <HostBob> After Israel "presses on to acknowledge Him"

[21:47] <hope-VHL> but it will only be 1/3 of Israel right?

[21:48] <snow-VHL> 2Is there a connection , like a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day?.

[21:48] <HostBob> Yes, snow, exactly!!!!!

[21:48] <HostBob> the "third day" we know is 1000 years, right?

[21:48] <HostBob> The thousand year reign of the Messiah on the earth?

[21:48] <hope-VHL> GREAT SNOW

[21:48] <snow-VHL> 2yes, we have seen 2days.

[21:48] <HostBob> That "third day" is the day of restoration

[21:48] <HostBob> and the 2 days are just about over

[21:49] <snow-VHL> 2So we are very close, right?

[21:49] <HostBob> yes

[21:49] <hope-VHL> I CAN'T WAIT

[21:49] <HostBob> It's in broad terms, it doesn't mean that is necessarily all going to begin exactly in year 2000

[21:50] <snow-VHL> 2This is really exciting that we could see Christ return before we pass away.

[21:50] <HostBob> because, for example, 2000 years from the time He left would be 2029 or so

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[21:50] <HostBob> so we don't want to get too weird on setting dates

[21:50] <HostBob> but it will be SOON

[21:50] <HostBob> yes, Snow

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[21:51] <hope-VHL> but things are all happening soooo quiickly now......it could literally start any day now

[21:51] <snow-VHL> 2No, we could never set a date. Only the Father in Heaven knows this.

[21:51] <HostBob> Yes, Hope

[21:51] <HostBob> that's why we need to be READY

[21:51] <Phil-VHL> Phil here with a question: since blindness has come in part to Israel, so that Jesus would be rejected and die on the cross, will God give those Jews who were blinded over the years another chance to receive His gift of salvation?

[21:52] <HostBob> I don't know Phil, I don't see any indication of that in the Scriptures - it says that we are appointed once to die, and after that the judgment

[21:52] <HostBob> Welcome, BTW :)

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[21:52] <snow-VHL> 2Until Jesus comes, anyone has the chance to receive HIS gift of salvation.

[21:53] <HostBob> Yes, but he means those who have already died, right Phil?

[21:53] <hands-VHL> Hello

[21:53] <HostBob> Welcome, hands! Great to have you join us!

[21:53] <Phil-VHL> Right.

[21:53] <hope-VHL> The only ones that will have a chance are the living 144,000 jews that will be sealed by God.....

[21:54] <HostBob> Hope, it doesn't say those are the "only ones" does it?

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[21:54] <Phil-VHL> But didn't Jesus go and preach to those who died under the Old Covenant?

[21:54] <hands-VHL> Hey, snow is that your last name?

[21:54] <hope-VHL> Well, the 144,000 and their families....I thought, because only 1/3 of Israel will be saved right?

[21:55] <HostBob> Yes, He did, Phil, but I don't see that they got a 2nd chance... it was those who had exercised faith under the Old Covenant, and Jesus preached to them to explain the salvation He had accomplised for them

[21:55] <hands-VHL> snow, it's mine!

[21:55] <HostBob> that's my understanding, anyway

[21:55] <hope-VHL> I'm referring to the Jewish people here

[21:55] <snow-VHL> 2Oh, I think if you have already passed away from this earth without accepting Jesus as your Saviour, then you don't have another chance, it is too late.

[21:55] <HostBob> Hope, the 1/3 is a disputed interpretation - you are referring to Zechariah?

[21:55] <HostBob> Some believe that was fulfilled already in 70 AD

[21:56] <hands-VHL> snow, i agree

[21:56] <hope-VHL> Oh, I didn't know....I'm still learning

[21:56] <Phil-VHL> When Jesus returns "all of Israel will be saved" right?

[21:56] <HostBob> I don't know either, hope :) We are all still learning :)

[21:56] <HostBob> Yes, Phil

[21:56] <snow-VHL> 2No hands, that is not my last name. I just thought it was a nice name.

[21:57] <hope-VHL> All of Israel that didn't take the Mark of the Beast....right Bob

[21:57] <hands-VHL> it's a great name!!

[21:57] <HostBob> I'm not sure if that means that all will come to acknowledge Him as Messiah - it seems that according to Zechariah and others, Phil, there will be a mass repentance of the Jews

[21:57] <HostBob> Yes, hope

[21:57] <snow-VHL> 2:-)Thank you hands. :-):-):->

[21:58] <hope-VHL> Unfortunately, I have to leave, may God bless you all......until next week Bob

[21:58] <HostBob> See ya Hope! God bless!!!

[21:58] <HostBob> Thanks for your participation! you added a lot!

[21:58] <Phil-VHL> Been studying some about Romans 9-11 and got to thinking about the Jews being saved.

[21:58] <hands-VHL> Don't you all think every knee means EVERY knee

[21:58] <snow-VHL> 2Goodnight hope, have a blessed week. May God bless you.:->

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[21:59] <HostBob> Yes, hands - some willingly, some unwillingly...

[21:59] <hands-VHL> good bye hope

[21:59] <HostBob> Hands, here is the "original" version of that....

[21:59] <hands-VHL> amen

[22:00] <HostBob> By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear. They will say of me, 'In the LORD alone are righteousness and strength.'" All who have raged against him will come to him and be put to shame.

[22:00] <HostBob> But in the LORD all the descendants of Israel will be found righteous and will exult. (Isaiah 45:23-25 NIV)

[22:00] <HostBob> Every knee will bow, but some of those who bow will be those who "raged against him"

[22:00] <hands-VHL> I think we all make the word harder than it is

[22:00] <HostBob> what do you mean, hands?

[22:01] <hands-VHL> I do know the whole of it, but i just what to chat a minute before I get caught:)

[22:02] <HostBob> :)

[22:02] <Phil-VHL> Are we in a lull?

[22:03] <HostBob> Does anyone else have anything they would like to discuss before we wrap it up?

[22:03] <HostBob> Seems to be a lull, Phil :)

[22:03] <Phil-VHL> Where are you tonight, Bob?

[22:03] <HostBob> I'm in Tampa Florida, US

[22:03] <Phil-VHL> I'm in Iowa

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[22:03] <HostBob> Hello, Joy!

[22:03] <Phil-VHL> Are you planning on a trip to Israel?

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[22:04] <snow-VHL> 2Okla. here

[22:04] <HostBob> Hello, Olive!

[22:04] <joy-VHL> hi Bob

[22:04] <hands-VHL> I mean we are to trust the Lord with all our hearts..., also love the Lord God with all that we are is the most important then our neighbor... if we could just get that right we do alot better is all

[22:04] <HostBob> I hope too, Phil, the Lord willing - I've been asking

[22:04] <HostBob> That's true Hands - that's the simplicity of it, huh?

[22:04] <Olive-VHL> Hello Bob I guess I am too late for chat am I

[22:05] <HostBob> No, we are still going :)

[22:05] <HostBob> Just in a "lull" as Phil put it

[22:05] <snow-VHL> 2Hello Olive, joy and JustMe.:-)

[22:05] <HostBob> but any suggestions are welcome, for topics that is

[22:06] <joy-VHL> hi snow,olive,just me,Phil,& hands

[22:06] <snow-VHL> 2You sound like me Olive, I'm a little late tonight too.

[22:06] <HostBob> What would you like to talk about, Olive?

[22:06] <HostBob> By the way, Stan will probably publish the chat transcript tomorrow...

[22:07] <Olive-VHL> about the canadian leader to Israel

[22:07] <HostBob> there is some good stuff earlier, so check it out on the VHL website

[22:07] <HostBob> Yes, Olive?

[22:07] <hands-VHL> I really think we out smart ourselves when we deal with those we want to love the Lord as we do, when i think back it was the simple things that made me hungry to know God

[22:07] <Olive-VHL> how do I get there

[22:07] <HostBob> how do you get where, Olive?

[22:08] <Olive-VHL> to vhl website

[22:08] <HostBob> you are on it :)

[22:08] <snow-VHL> 2Visual Holy Land, your on it.

[22:08] <Olive-VHL> Oh , I just go to the news is that it?

[22:09] <hands-VHL> but how do you view what has been said earlier?

[22:09] <HostBob> just a minute.. I'll be right back - carry on.... :)

[22:09] <joy-VHL> yeah Bob,how do you view what's been said earlier?

[22:10] <Olive-VHL> that is my question too hands

[22:10] <hands-VHL> carry on? were you in the military?

[22:10] <joy-VHL> he probably was hands

[22:10] <snow-VHL> 2I think it will probably be listed on the home page of VHL, just read the page.

[22:10] <HostBob> LOL , no I was not :)

[22:10] <hands-VHL> cool

[22:10] <hands-VHL> still cool

[22:10] <HostBob> Yes, it will be on the VHL front page, that's where he usually puts it

[22:11] <Phil-VHL> what is LOL

[22:11] <hands-VHL> so we click on?

[22:11] <HostBob> Laugh Out Loud

[22:12] <HostBob> just go tomorrow to www.virtualholyland.com and look on the front page for the link to it

[22:12] <Olive-VHL> just click on the back button

[22:12] <snow-VHL> 2I haven't learned this computer shorthand yet. :->

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[22:12] <Phil-VHL> We did that a week ago and there were 64 papes of type to read.

[22:12] <joy-VHL> what do we click onBob?

[22:13] <HostBob> no, don't click on Bob... :) there will be a place on the front page, you'll see it

[22:13] <snow-VHL> 2Shouldn't it be like a headline???????

[22:13] <HostBob> yes, it probably will be

[22:13] <joy-VHL> But Bob what will the name be ?

[22:13] <Olive-VHL> 7

[22:14] <HostBob> It will say something like "chat transcript from last night"

[22:14] <hands-VHL> ooooh

[22:14] <HostBob> Stan will be reading this, so he'll make it real easy to find :)

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[22:14] <snow-VHL> 2Online chat topics, etc. (maybe?)

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[22:14] <HostBob> yeah :)

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[22:15] <HostBob> ok.... so... where were we? :)

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[22:16] <HostBob> how about, since this is Bible prophecy chat, some of your favorite Bible passages regarding the future?

[22:16] <HostBob> Welcome cowlady, nukem!

[22:16] <nukem-VHL> hello

[22:16] <HostBob> Where are you from?

[22:16] <Olive-VHL> 7what about the meeting of Clinton and Israel tomorrow.

[22:16] <hands-VHL> hello

[22:16] <HostBob> Yes, Olive, what about it? It seems to be rather sudden, huh?

[22:17] <nukem-VHL> i'm from St Joseph Mo.

[22:17] <HostBob> There has been speculation that some breakthrough regarding Syria is the reason for it...

[22:17] <cowlady-VHL> hello - I'm just here to listen to what everyone else has to say

[22:17] <HostBob> but the official Israeli line is that there has been no progress in that

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[22:17] <HostBob> we are glad you are here :)

[22:18] <HostBob> And that Syria has hardened its stance

[22:18] <HostBob> which is a good thing, really

[22:18] <hands-VHL> cowlady, where are youfrom?

[22:18] <Phil-VHL> why, Bob? Is that good.

[22:18] <cowlady-VHL> San Jose, California

[22:18] <hands-VHL> cool

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[22:19] <HostBob> because... the tougher the stance of Syria, the less likely of a foolish giveaway of the Golan, right?

[22:19] <Olive-VHL> 712my goodness I hope they are not going to encourage Israel to give up more land for peace.

[22:19] <Phil-VHL> That makes sense

[22:19] <HostBob> That's what the whole thing is about, Olive, stealing land which God has granted to Israel

[22:19] <HostBob> for an empty "peace"

[22:20] <nukem-VHL> do you think that this could lead up to the distruction of damascus or lean toword that way.

[22:20] <HostBob> Welcome, Lisa!

[22:20] <HostBob> Yes, I do, nukem

[22:20] <HostBob> look at this....

[22:20] <Olive-VHL> 12:-):-)No I am sure God will step in He is watching

[22:20] <HostBob> from Ha'aretzPalestinian opposition groups, including Ahmed Jibril's Popular Front-General Command and the Azzadin el Kassam Brigade, the military wing of Hamas, are vowing that Israel's withdrawal from South Lebanon will pave the way for armed conflict on the northern border.

[22:20] <HostBob> Haartez is an Israeli newspaper

[22:21] <HostBob> Yes, He is certainly watching

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[22:21] <HostBob> and watching to accomplish HIS purposes

[22:21] <HostBob> Welcoem, Rose!

[22:21] <hands-VHL> well, I'd love to chat longer but I really must say good night all

[22:21] <HostBob> Good night, Hands!

[22:21] <HostBob> Glad you joined us!

[22:21] <rose-VHL> Hi there

[22:22] <HostBob> When Israel unilaterally withdraws from Lebanon....

[22:22] <Olive-VHL> 12excuse that double smile I was just fooling around the the sentence was serious.

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[22:22] <HostBob> Syria will have lost some of it's leverage in the Golan "negotiations"....

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[22:22] <ColcordMama-VHL> Hello

[22:23] <Phil-VHL> I never looked at it that way, Bob

[22:23] <HostBob> so it is likely that they will encourage (with Iran's cooperation) increased terrorits activity by Hezbollah

[22:23] <HostBob> Hellom Colcord!

[22:23] <nukem-VHL> what do you think about the EU wanting to get involved in the peace negotiations

[22:23] <HostBob> And Israel has already vowed a severe reaction if that happens

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[22:23] <HostBob> Welcome, curious!

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[22:24] <HostBob> Nukem, the EU has already proven itself to be extremely anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian

[22:25] <HostBob> What do you think, Phil? I didn't mean to ignore your comment

[22:25] <Olive-VHL> 12with EU that will draw everything to a climax

[22:25] <rose-VHL> The EU has no buiseness toget involve

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[22:25] <Phil-VHL> That withdrawing from Lebenon will give Israel some other leverage

[22:26] <HostBob> Yes, but the EU will probably play a larger role in the future, if the scenarios that are commonly held play out that the AC will come from Europe

[22:26] <Olive-VHL> 12I still think we have to watch Russia, China and Rome

[22:26] <ColcordMama-VHL> Just Europe? I thought the AC has to have a Middle Eastern heritage?

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[22:26] <HostBob> It's a smart move in some ways, Phil, because it removes the pretext that Hezbollah had of only being interesting in liberating Lebanon from "occupation"

[22:27] <HostBob> There are different opinions on that, Colcord, and I have no idea :)

[22:28] <nukem-VHL> I believe that the new Russian pres, and the head man in the EU are dangerous people,what do you think?

[22:28] <ColcordMama-VHL> I agree with Olive, in that we need to watch Rome in particular

[22:28] <HostBob> Did you all see the news item featured on VHL about what Hezbollah said?

[22:28] <ColcordMama-VHL> Right, nukem

[22:28] <Phil-VHL> Do I understand this right that Israel has agreed to absorb and protect the SLA, but they want to stay there and fight ??

[22:29] <HostBob> Some want to stay apparently, but perhaps only a small minority of them

[22:29] <Olive-VHL> 12what is SLA

[22:29] <HostBob> Southern Lebanese Army - supported by Israel

[22:29] <Phil-VHL> This is more of a politics question and I didn't mean to get off the prophesy track

[22:29] <Olive-VHL> 12thankyou

[22:30] <rose-VHL> I agree with you nukem Putin has a KGB expirience...

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[22:30] <HostBob> they operate in the southern part of the country now in conjunction with the IDF

[22:30] <HostBob> and when Israel withdraws, could be massacred

[22:30] <HostBob> so Israel has offered to give them refuge

[22:31] <HostBob> though I read today that a few are already "defecting" to Hezbollah

[22:31] <jason-VHL> what consequences will this bring upon Israel?( in your opinion)

[22:31] <ColcordMama-VHL> Bob, can you explain how you think this ties in with prophecy?

[22:31] <HostBob> The withdrawal from Lebanon?

[22:31] <HostBob> The consequences and the tie-in are this...

[22:32] <Olive-VHL> 12It is so mindboggling to think that so many of our so called smart leaders think they can do more and know more than God.

[22:32] <jason-VHL> The protection of SLA?

[22:32] <ColcordMama-VHL> Yes, Olive

[22:32] <nukem-VHL> I really htink this guy putin is dangerous,he's really power hungry,he wants to restore Russia just as Hitler did Germany

[22:32] <ColcordMama-VHL> Putin is a key, I believe

[22:33] <HostBob> It will lead, I believe, to escalating tensions with Syria, and ultimately the fulfillment of the prophecies in Isaiah 17 and Zechariah regarding the war with Syria and Lebanon and the destruction of Damascus

[22:33] <ColcordMama-VHL> Please continue, Bob...

[22:33] <Kathy-VHL> I saw a program where Hal Lindsey drew a parallel to him and Hitler

[22:33] <ColcordMama-VHL> International News Briefing?

[22:33] <Kathy-VHL> yea

[22:33] <HostBob> Jason, I think that is a good thing that Israel has offered them sanctuary...

[22:34] <nukem-VHL> Intelligence briefing yeah that's where I saw it

[22:34] <HostBob> because they were loyal allies for Israel and it would be shameful to just abandon them

[22:34] <HostBob> Yes, Nukem

[22:34] <jason-VHL> I agree, just wondered how far you thought this one event might reace

[22:35] <Kathy-VHL> yes thats where I saw it too

[22:35] <ColcordMama-VHL> yes, that was it.

[22:35] <nukem-VHL> And a lot of countries are getting nervous about the building of the EU army

[22:35] <ColcordMama-VHL> with Cliff Ford

[22:35] <jason-VHL> reach that is

[22:35] <HostBob> Yes, nukem, things seem to be happening quickly with EU, huh?

[22:36] <Kathy-VHL> has anybody ever heard of the european union of Rome?

[22:36] <HostBob> the consolidation of the court systems and the military

[22:36] <jason-VHL> Beyond Hitler's involvement in war and leadership, it is firmly believed by some that he was a die hard satanist

[22:36] <HostBob> He was heavily involved in the occult, Jason

[22:37] <Olive-VHL> 12once the EU take over we will be told what and where to worship and that will be indeed the mark of the Beast

[22:37] <HostBob> that is well documented

[22:37] <nukem-VHL> It's funny how they are getting countries to join the EU,like they are trying to swallow up the world

[22:37] <jason-VHL> Has anyone made this statement of Putin?

[22:38] <ColcordMama-VHL> His temperament fits with what would be required of a Russian leader in the End Times

[22:38] <nukem-VHL> Exactly

[22:38] <HostBob> We know that the nations will join together in a final, futile attempt to throw off the rule of the Messiah Jesus, but they will FAIL! :)

[22:38] <ColcordMama-VHL> Amen

[22:38] <ColcordMama-VHL> God never lies, when will people learn that?

[22:38] <HostBob> Because the "rock made without hands" will come and SMASH them just like in Daniel's vision

[22:39] <HostBob> Amen, Colcord!

[22:39] <Kathy-VHL> But we have to remember that because so many have failed to listen God turns them over to their own thinking so that they believe a lie

[22:39] <Olive-VHL> 12This Putin could be tha Antichrist

[22:39] <HostBob> Yes, Kathy

[22:40] <ColcordMama-VHL> Maybe, but I personally lean more to someone from the middle east, like Iraq or Iran

[22:40] <rose-VHL> What do you mean, Kathy?

[22:40] <HostBob> Could be, Olive, both he and that Prodi fellow from Italy both seem to be "stern faced" like the prophecy in Daniel indicated

[22:40] <nukem-VHL> I believe that Putin could very well fullfil Eze.38

[22:41] <jason-VHL> SO what does the majority in this room think about the timing of the rapture, although a potentially dividing subject I just want opinons.

[22:41] <ColcordMama-VHL> Remember the restored city of Babylon, under Saddam Hussein

[22:41] <HostBob> "In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he

[22:41] <HostBob> will be destroyed, but not by human power.

[22:41] <HostBob> That was a good disclaimer, Jason :)

[22:41] <Kathy-VHL> I am pretrib

[22:42] <ColcordMama-VHL> I am a pre-trib

[22:42] <HostBob> I lean towards post

[22:42] <jason-VHL> Didn't want to offend anyone just want to soak up some information

[22:42] <Phil-VHL> Pre-wrath

[22:42] <nukem-VHL> I look for it anyday,i may not see it but I still look

[22:42] <ColcordMama-VHL> Been studying prophecy for 22 years, it seems clear to me

[22:42] <HostBob> Yes, that's right - look for it any day, be ready for it any way

[22:42] <Lisa-VHL> I think its mid

[22:42] <ColcordMama-VHL> No man knoweth the day or the hour

[22:43] <HostBob> ok, we have a good representation here :)

[22:43] <ColcordMama-VHL> but of the seasons...

[22:43] <Kathy-VHL> but we know the season

[22:43] <nukem-VHL> no but you will no when it is near

[22:43] <HostBob> If we get into a debate I'm gonna duck :)

[22:43] <Phil-VHL> I believe it is very near!

[22:43] <Lisa-VHL> and Jason what do you think?

[22:43] <ColcordMama-VHL> Keep looking up, folks

[22:43] <Kathy-VHL> we can agree to disagree

[22:43] <HostBob> Yes, it is near

[22:43] <HostBob> Yes, Kathy

[22:44] <HostBob> We can and should be able to disagree without causing conflicts

[22:44] <ColcordMama-VHL> I think the most important thing right now is to lead others to Christ

[22:44] <jason-VHL> I personally lean toward post right now but believe God will protect us from his wrath if we are tru in faith

[22:44] <HostBob> Yes, Colcord

[22:44] <Kathy-VHL> we all serve the same master and He is in control of all things even the end

[22:44] <HostBob> Amen, Kathy!

[22:44] <nukem-VHL> I keep looking up regardless,if I go by the grave or what ever I want to be ready

[22:45] <HostBob> Yes, Nuke

[22:45] <Lisa-VHL> so you are somewhere between mid and post?

[22:45] <jason-VHL> We all need to be prepared regardless

[22:45] <Kathy-VHL> if God had told us exatly what and when it would not require any faith and it is faith that He requires

[22:45] <Olive-VHL> 12I don't believe in the pretribulaation like Daniel we have to go through the tribulaation with Jesus as He did with Daniel when He took him trough the firey furnace not out of iit. Have faith because that is when we will need it.

[22:45] <ColcordMama-VHL> Yes, Kathy

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[22:45] <me-VHL> anone here?

[22:45] <Lisa-VHL> I agree Olive..He will bring us through

[22:45] <HostBob> We are here :)

[22:45] <ColcordMama-VHL> at least until the Rapture LOL

[22:45] <me-VHL> I am new here.

[22:46] <jason-VHL> also a new one

[22:46] <HostBob> Welcome, Me!

[22:46] <ColcordMama-VHL> I am new, too

[22:46] <me-VHL> where you all ive?:-)

[22:46] <HostBob> We are glad the newcomers are here!

[22:46] <ColcordMama-VHL> "Two will be in chat, one will be taken and one will be left..." ROFL

[22:46] <HostBob> hey!!! LOL

[22:47] <jason-VHL> Right now in North Carolina USA

[22:47] <ColcordMama-VHL> Arizona

[22:47] <me-VHL> not funny....I won't be left....

[22:47] <Kathy-VHL> lets hope not

[22:47] <ColcordMama-VHL> Not this chat! LOL

[22:47] <HostBob> Even though I lean toward post-trib, I expect to be taken if it's pre :)

[22:47] <Kathy-VHL> lets hope that all who are here are going the same way and if there is one who is not let us be the guid to them

[22:47] <HostBob> yes :)

[22:48] <Phil-VHL> Good Bob you got all your bases covered.

[22:48] <me-VHL> 6yeah..

[22:48] <ColcordMama-VHL> When I stockpiled for Y2K I also put Bibles in there, in case I was raptured out and someone else used the stuff LOL

[22:48] <jason-VHL> Only new to Prophesy not new to Christianity

[22:48] <HostBob> can you imagine how goody this would sound to someone who doesn't know all of our "code words"?

[22:48] <HostBob> yeah Phil :)

[22:48] <me-VHL> 6bye

[22:48] <Olive-VHL> 12I don't think it will be that way really two in a field , one taken and one left means the same as the churchs one good and one evil.

[22:48] <ColcordMama-VHL> Yes

[22:48] <Kathy-VHL> Iwhat code words

[22:48] <HostBob> Bye, Me - you didn't stay long?

[22:49] <ColcordMama-VHL> Bye, Me

[22:49] <HostBob> pre-trib post-trib

[22:49] <HostBob> etc etc

[22:49] <nukem-VHL> But what gets me is that we see all these things happening before our very eyes.and what did JESUS say when you see these things BEGIN to happen then look up for redemption drawth nigh,not

[22:49] <Kathy-VHL> oh lol

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[22:49] <HostBob> I think that's important to remember when we witness to people who are not believers...

[22:49] <nukem-VHL> after it has all taken place

[22:49] <HostBob> leave the lingo and unfamiliar terminology back in church

[22:49] <ColcordMama-VHL> I agree Nukem

[22:50] <HostBob> and use normal English to talk to them

[22:50] <ColcordMama-VHL> Bob, when I witness, God gives me the words that person needs to hear

[22:50] <Kathy-VHL> I agree Bob very important

[22:50] <HostBob> yes, Colcord

[22:50] <ColcordMama-VHL> I am just the radio...

[22:50] <HostBob> Yeah, but the radio has to be tuned right :)

[22:51] <ColcordMama-VHL> I quote verses I don't even know, and don't realize it until later

[22:51] <Phil-VHL> Signing off here. Shalom to all!!

[22:51] <jason-VHL> Where are all of the experts here from?

[22:51] <ColcordMama-VHL> Bye Phil

[22:51] <HostBob> Shalom Phil! Thanks so much for participating!

[22:51] <ColcordMama-VHL> see you at the Rapture LOL

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[22:51] <Lisa-VHL> tuned in to the Holy Spirit

[22:51] <ColcordMama-VHL> Yes, Lisa

[22:51] <Olive-VHL> 12I think it is hard to witness, who wants to listen when they think they know already.

[22:52] <nukem-VHL> Exactly

[22:52] <Kathy-VHL> all we have to do is lift up Jesus He will do the rest

[22:52] <HostBob> It is, Olive, but the Lord prepares the hearts of those who He is calling, right?

[22:52] <Lisa-VHL> true..but..onl y God knows the hearts of man..no matter what we may see

[22:52] <ColcordMama-VHL> Witnessing can be hard unless God wants you to do it

[22:52] <jason-VHL> I like to have a Bible with a great concordance handy anytime I want to quote scripture, still so many verses I need and don't know

[22:52] <Kathy-VHL> It is hard for me not to do it

[22:52] <Lisa-VHL> Witnessing should only be done if God wants you to do it

[22:53] <HostBob> and the rest, what did Jesus say? Don't worry about it, basically? "Every tree that my Father has not planted will be ripped up by the roots"

[22:53] <HostBob> God is the one who converts people

[22:53] <HostBob> it takes the pressure off us

[22:53] <Olive-VHL> 12Yes Bob I do think we are directed by god to do things whatever they may be.

[22:53] <ColcordMama-VHL> One of the greatest joys for me is witnessing...what a trip!

[22:53] <Lisa-VHL> that's wonderful Mama..and rare

[22:54] <ColcordMama-VHL> TY Lisa

[22:54] <Olive-VHL> 12please tell me where you witness and how. colcor

[22:54] <nukem-VHL> Prophecy is like Pepsi to me I can't get enough of it

[22:54] <ColcordMama-VHL> Olive, God points out someone to me, and it is like all my energy is focused on them

[22:54] <HostBob> yes, I used to think that I had to somehow give a comprehensive gospel presentation each time... but God can use even a little word or phrase, or gesture even

[22:54] <ColcordMama-VHL> Like a spotlight is on them

[22:54] <HostBob> and maybe the next person to come along is the "reaper"

[22:55] <ColcordMama-VHL> And when I begin, I myself retreat into the background of my consiousness

[22:55] <ColcordMama-VHL> and He takes over, literally.

[22:55] <Lisa-VHL> we should depend on the leading of the Holy Spirit..just like you said Mama..to guide us and lead us to plant the seeds

[22:55] <Olive-VHL> 12I go for that Nukem I too cannot get enough of religious talk and Prophecy

[22:55] <jason-VHL> You seem to be nearly speaking in tongues Colc.

[22:56] <ColcordMama-VHL> No, but I believe my gift of the spirit (Acts) is witnessing.

[22:56] <ColcordMama-VHL> I can't describe it...like a sled ride down a steep hill...I am not in control, and it is exciting!!

[22:57] <nukem-VHL> hang on folks the spirit is about to take over

[22:57] <ColcordMama-VHL> I am humbled and blessed that He sees fit to use me in this way. Grateful, too LOL

[22:57] <jason-VHL> Right now I am trying to strengthen my friends who are christians but that seem to have lost there way as of late. Quite rewarding in itself and I believe they will do the same, and so the fire spreads

[22:57] <HostBob> In a sense, that is how our entire life is supposed to be, right? "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." (Galatians 2:20 NIV)

[22:58] <Kathy-VHL> I witness by personal testamony and what a new creature I am and all He has done for me

[22:58] <HostBob> That's great, Jason!!!

[22:58] <Lisa-VHL> that's the a good way Kathy..people relate to real life

[22:59] <Kathy-VHL> He has done so much with me and I have to give Him all the glory because the things He has done with me I could not have done

[22:59] <ColcordMama-VHL> Amen

[22:59] <Lisa-VHL> that in itself is encouraging to hear ., when someone is struggling through the same things

[22:59] <Kathy-VHL> He uses me to accomplish what man says is impossible

[23:00] <Lisa-VHL> and God gets the glory

[23:00] <Olive-VHL> 12Well I sure live by faith in everything and I mean everything.

[23:00] <ColcordMama-VHL> With God, all things are possible..

[23:00] <Kathy-VHL> thats right and I am proff of that

[23:01] <Lisa-VHL> well..I must go..cannot neglect my family much longer

[23:01] <ColcordMama-VHL> Bye Lisa

[23:01] <Kathy-VHL> bye lisa

[23:01] <jason-VHL> Bye Lisa

[23:01] <HostBob> Bye Lisa :) Thanks for coming!

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[23:01] <Olive-VHL> 12bye Lisa

[23:01] <HostBob> Thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumphal procession in Christ and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of the knowledge of him. For we are to God the aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing. To the one we are the smell of death; to the other, the fragrance of life. And who is equal to such a task? (2 Corinthians 2:14-16 NIV)

[23:02] <ColcordMama-VHL> wow

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[23:03] <HostBob> Welcome, Im, Eagle!

[23:03] <ColcordMama-VHL> Welcome

[23:03] <eaglewings^> :) hi bob

[23:03] <HostBob> We keep on getting more latecomers! :)

[23:03] <eaglewings^> i'm so glad you guys are still here :)

[23:03] <HostBob> And more familiar "faces" :)

[23:03] <eaglewings^> :)

[23:03] <HostBob> I'm glad you guys keep the same names from week to week! :)

[23:03] <Kathy-VHL> I m gald you post this tomorrow so I can read the whole thing and get what I missed earlier

[23:04] <HostBob> Yes, I'm sure Stan will do that

[23:04] <eaglewings^> this gets posted?

[23:04] <ColcordMama-VHL> Where?

[23:04] <imbecomingnew-VHL> :-)sorry, i was studying for a big test tomorrow, and forgot about the big chat tonight

[23:04] <Kathy-VHL> it has been

[23:04] <HostBob> Yes, it should be on the front page of the VHL website

[23:04] <HostBob> tomorrow

[23:04] <ColcordMama-VHL> Cool!

[23:04] <jason-VHL> Theres a reason I am hear tonight, I signed on just as you began and have never even heard of this before

[23:04] <HostBob> the WHOOLLLLEEEE thing :)

[23:05] <Kathy-VHL> on VHL home page

[23:05] <ColcordMama-VHL> all our misspellings too? ROFL

[23:05] <eaglewings^> that'd be cool

[23:05] <HostBob> Well, it's a good thing you "stumbled" on us, Jason!

[23:05] <eaglewings^> have missed the last 5 weeks :)

[23:05] <HostBob> Yeah Colcord, though if you bribe Stan he may fix yours up! LOL

[23:05] <eaglewings^> wow, lag....

[23:05] <ColcordMama-VHL> have been meaning to come for some time, heard about it in my email notices from VHL

[23:06] <HostBob> We have had some good discussions over the last several weeks

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[23:06] <ColcordMama-VHL> hi, snow

[23:06] <HostBob> Welcome, Snow!

[23:06] <jason-VHL> What makes this the BIG chat?

[23:06] <Kathy-VHL> I have really enjoyed them

[23:06] <eaglewings^> wow, sorry i missed it..

[23:06] <eaglewings^> do you guys keep each one? or just the last one?

[23:06] <imbecomingnew-VHL> what was the best topic tonight

[23:07] <HostBob> Well, Jason, there are only 2 moderated sessions, one on Monday's at 8 PM, and one on Wednesdays with Stan as the host

[23:07] <eaglewings^> 2 a week now? great :)

[23:07] <HostBob> the best topic? I dunno - we covered a lot

[23:07] <ColcordMama-VHL> 8 pm what time zone?

[23:07] <HostBob> 8 PM ET

[23:07] <snow-VHL> Hi all, sorry I didn't tell you bye earlier, but I had to leave real quick, to take care of something.:-)2

[23:07] <eaglewings^> i'm on like a minute or more lag, and get 10 lines @ once :)

[23:07] <nukem-VHL> well children of God I've got to go,you all have a blessed week

[23:08] <ColcordMama-VHL> Bye Nukem

[23:08] <HostBob> See ya nukem! Till next week!

[23:08] <jason-VHL> Bye Nukem

[23:08] <Kathy-VHL> you too nuke bye

[23:08] <imbecomingnew-VHL> bye, nuke

[23:08] <snow-VHL> 2Hi and Bye nukem.:-)

[23:08] <ColcordMama-VHL> I have had a conflict with another scheduled chat in Mrs Survival, but from now on will try to make this one, too

[23:08] <Olive-VHL> 12bye nuke and may God go with you.

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[23:09] <nukem-VHL> GOOD NITE ALL BLESSINGS TO ALL

[23:09] <snow-VHL> 2What is Mrs Survival?

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[23:09] <HostBob> I would say that the best topic we discussed was...

[23:09] <Olive-VHL> 12in Mrs Survival is that religious? Colcor

[23:09] <ColcordMama-VHL> mrssurvival.com is a wonderful site with lots of loving people

[23:09] <Kathy-VHL> I have to go too all I have to change locations. Ill be back if you all are still here in a few

[23:10] <HostBob> an examination of Hosea 5 & 6 regarding the Lord's timetable for Israel

[23:10] <ColcordMama-VHL> part of it is, the For His Glory area

[23:10] <HostBob> See ya Kathy! We're glad you were here!

[23:10] <ColcordMama-VHL> Bye Kathy

[23:10] <eaglewings^> Bob, that sounds really cool

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[23:10] <jason-VHL> So what reaizations did you come to?

[23:10] <imbecomingnew-VHL> where do you think israel stands in gods time table right now

[23:10] <HostBob> Yes, it's very cool

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[23:11] <jason-VHL> realizations

[23:11] <HostBob> OK , tell ya what, I'll bring it up again - hold on

[23:11] <ColcordMama-VHL> Yes, Bob, I would like to hear that, too

[23:11] <HostBob> This passage is a historical overview of God's dealings with Israel..

[23:12] <Leon-VHL> Hi to all from Otis Or.

[23:12] <HostBob> starting with Hosea 5:14....

[23:12] <eaglewings^> cool, Bob, thanks :)

[23:12] <HostBob> For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, like a great lion to Judah. I will tear them to pieces and go away; I will carry them off, with no one to rescue them. Then I will go back to my place until they admit their guilt. And they will seek my face; in their misery they will earnestly seek me.

[23:12] <HostBob> First....

[23:12] <snow-VHL> 2Hi Leon

[23:12] <eaglewings^> wow..

[23:12] <HostBob> God allowed Israel to be "carried off" among the nation because of their disobedience, right?

[23:13] <imbecomingnew-VHL> go on

[23:13] <HostBob> And because they did not recognize the "day of their visitation" according to Jesus...

[23:13] <Leon-VHL> Hi snow first tim here.

[23:13] <HostBob> So He became "like a lion to them" for a little while....

[23:13] <HostBob> And...

[23:13] <HostBob> He said "I will go back to my place"

[23:14] <HostBob> Which is where He is now, right, sitting at the Father's right hand

[23:14] <HostBob> until......

[23:14] <HostBob> "they admit their guilt"

[23:14] <HostBob> AND THEN....

[23:14] <HostBob> Israel will seek His face.....

[23:14] <imbecomingnew-VHL> will they ever admit their guilt

[23:14] <HostBob> yes, they willl

[23:15] <HostBob> And this is what they will say....

[23:15] <jason-VHL> And then the Prophecy is forfilled?

[23:15] <snow-VHL> 2I haven't been on here too many times either, but it is really interesting. Everyone sharing their love for Jesus Christ and learning more about Him

[23:15] <HostBob> Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds. After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence. Let us acknowledge the LORD; let us press on to acknowledge him. As surely as the sun rises, he will appear; he will come to us like the winter rains, like the spring rains that water the earth."

[23:15] <Olive-VHL> 12remember every knee will bow

[23:15] <jason-VHL> opps fulfilled

[23:15] <HostBob> As they seek Him.....

[23:15] <rose-VHL> Who are they ,Bob

[23:15] <HostBob> they will return to Him

[23:15] <HostBob> Israel - this is about the Jews

[23:15] <imbecomingnew-VHL> as messiah or savior

[23:15] <HostBob> Listen to what they are saying, prophetically

[23:16] <HostBob> Yes, they did not recognize Him as Messiah...

[23:16] <HostBob> but in the last days, they will seek Him

[23:16] <HostBob> ask for his "healing" and "reviving" and "restoration"

[23:16] <HostBob> but look at this...

[23:17] <HostBob> when will the restoration occur?

[23:17] <jason-VHL> Seems that God will wait for the Jews to accept Jesus and then return to collect all His children

[23:17] <snow-VHL> 2Isn't it true that the Jews doesn't believe that Jesus Christ is the Saviour.

[23:17] <HostBob> on the "third day" - the day of restoration is the Millenial Kingdom of th Messiah, right?

[23:17] <Leon-VHL> Snow Jesus is are light that shines in the dark to show us the way.

[23:17] <HostBob> not yet, Snow, but they will

[23:18] <ColcordMama-VHL> Doesn't the restoration have to come after Armageddon?

[23:18] <HostBob> if they "third day" is the 1000 years of the Kingdom on earth...

[23:18] <ColcordMama-VHL> yes

[23:18] <imbecomingnew-VHL> what will bring them to acceptance

[23:18] <HostBob> then what are the "two days" after which it will occur?

[23:18] <HostBob> Yes, Colcord

[23:18] <snow-VHL> 2Yes, I know that Leon, and I agree.

[23:19] <HostBob> "He will appear" after the 2 days, and rule on the third day, restoring and reviving Israel

[23:19] <ColcordMama-VHL> We're not talking Daniel's "Week of Days" here, are we?

[23:20] <HostBob> No, I think we are talking about "a day is a thousand years"

[23:20] <HostBob> also....

[23:20] <jason-VHL> The Jews believe in God but not that Jesus was the Messiah, it is my opinion that because of their devout Faith to God, they will get a second chance ,imbecomingnew

[23:20] <snow-VHL> 2That is what I think, Bob

[23:20] <jason-VHL> God may even due a little extra for them

[23:21] <Olive-VHL> 12a day inprophecy is one year

[23:21] <HostBob> from what I have heard, many ancient Jewish sources believed in a "Week" of 1000 year periods, with the seventh "week" of human history being the Sabbath, the rule of Messiah

[23:21] <ColcordMama-VHL> Yes, that is Daniel's week of days....the last 1000 years is yet to come

[23:21] <jason-VHL> That is an interesting viewpoint on time

[23:21] <rose-VHL> That is right, Bob

[23:22] <Olive-VHL> 12so that means we are in the seventh week does it?

[23:22] <imbecomingnew-VHL> so where do the three days fit into the seven days

[23:22] <Leon-VHL> That makes me thank I feel im a thousand yrs old to some days

[23:22] <HostBob> That may mean that we are almost there

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[23:22] <ColcordMama-VHL> Yes, many scholars see it that way

[23:22] <ColcordMama-VHL> This is the generation

[23:22] <jason-VHL> In old testament times, however, isn't it true that our years and months were actually kept on a difertn calendar?

[23:22] <Chosen-VHL> 3Hi everybody!

[23:23] <HostBob> Welcome, Chosen!

[23:23] <imbecomingnew-VHL> welcome chosen

[23:23] <Leon-VHL> Hi.

[23:23] <Chosen-VHL> 3How's it going in here tonight?

[23:23] <HostBob> Yes, Jason, they did not use the current Julian calendar

[23:23] <Chosen-VHL> 3hello imbecomingnew

[23:23] <HostBob> I'm not sure when that was instituted

[23:24] <HostBob> It's going well, Chosen!

[23:24] <ColcordMama-VHL> Jason, this isnt really a calendar issue, a matter of a few days here and there

[23:24] <Chosen-VHL> 3great!

[23:24] <jason-VHL> Just thought I'd throw that out for thought

[23:24] <Olive-VHL> 12Bob yoou are so wonderful to re explain the many things that went on earlier thanks.

[23:24] <rose-VHL> Now is the year 5760

[23:24] <imbecomingnew-VHL> what about the restoration of the jewish nation as when you see this fulfilled the end is near

[23:25] <HostBob> you're welcome!

[23:25] <ColcordMama-VHL> The Julian calendar dates to the Roman Julian...

[23:25] <Leon-VHL> Im glad theres more in here then just me,Its going very good,Blessing to all.

[23:25] <ColcordMama-VHL> The buddingof the fig tree?

[23:25] <HostBob> Im, I think we will see more and more Jewish people coming to faith in the Messiah Yeshua, we are seeing that now....

[23:26] <imbecomingnew-VHL> yes, i hear that often.

[23:26] <Chosen-VHL> 3me too

[23:26] <jason-VHL> Is it true that right now Christianity is spreading at a greater rate than it ever has?

[23:26] <HostBob> I don't really think, in my opinion, that we will see a mass acceptance until Jesus appears

[23:26] <imbecomingnew-VHL> i believe god is pouring out his spirit in a greater way than ever before

[23:26] <ColcordMama-VHL> Every knee will bend

[23:27] <ColcordMama-VHL> Yes, just look at Russia and China

[23:27] <HostBob> I don't know Jason - not in the US it is not, from what I see, but in other parts of the world, yes

[23:27] <Chosen-VHL> 3I believe He is pouring out His spirit, but it is still in pocket areas

[23:27] <jason-VHL> Do you think we will get that chance? The whole world to actually see before they believe?

[23:27] <imbecomingnew-VHL> the US is coming into it, i believe

[23:27] <HostBob> What do you mean, Jason?

[23:27] <Leon-VHL> All eyes are on Israel.

[23:27] <snow-VHL> 2Hi chosen.:-)

[23:28] <jason-VHL> I have heard close to a million a day in South American Nations

[23:28] <Chosen-VHL> 3hello snow!

[23:28] <Chosen-VHL> 3wow jason!

[23:28] <imbecomingnew-VHL> the body is starting to come to fit jointly together

[23:28] <jason-VHL> You said mass acceptance will occur after Christ's appearance

[23:29] <ColcordMama-VHL> The gospel will be preached in all the world, and then will the end come

[23:29] <HostBob> I think we will see two things happening - the dividing line will be increasinly drawn between those who follow Jesus and are serious about serving Him, and between those who are just going through the motions and will ultimately fall away and fall into deception

[23:29] <Olive-VHL> 12no we won't get that chance after Jesus comes now is the accepted hour let those who are sinners stay sinners stay sinners.

[23:29] <HostBob> Yes, Olive

[23:29] <HostBob> I agree

[23:29] <HostBob> I didn't mean that, Jason....

[23:30] <ColcordMama-VHL> Yes, like the lukewarm church

[23:30] <jason-VHL> Ok thats what I thought too, just wanted clarity

[23:30] <HostBob> that is perhaps a special situation for Israel? I don't know, I'm not going to be dogmatic on that

[23:30] <imbecomingnew-VHL> that is the cleansing of the church, don't yu think

[23:30] <snow-VHL> 2Right , Olive.

[23:30] <jason-VHL> Yes we are not supposed to know, yet

[23:31] <HostBob> The cleansing on one side, and the apostacy on the other

[23:31] <imbecomingnew-VHL> the preparation of the bride

[23:31] <HostBob> I am astonished as I participate in various forums, etc how many weird so-called "Christian" teachings are out there

[23:31] <imbecomingnew-VHL> that is true bob

[23:31] <HostBob> it's very sad - so many people are susceptible to deception

[23:31] <ColcordMama-VHL> Amen, Bob

[23:32] <Chosen-VHL> 3yes, many counterfeits to the real teaching of Jesus

[23:32] <jason-VHL> Examples? (BOB)

[23:32] <ColcordMama-VHL> Satan is very clever, and working overtime

[23:32] <Olive-VHL> 12I really think we are being judged right now. Judgement began in my estimation.

[23:32] <Leon-VHL> be for the end of hes return. there will be sings in the heavens

[23:32] <Chosen-VHL> 3they are susceptible, Bob, because they don't know their Word

[23:32] <HostBob> which is why we must KNOW THE WORD, and not just as an academic study, but we must KNOW THE GOD OF THE WORD

[23:32] <HostBob> yes!

[23:33] <jason-VHL> When I first logged on my defenses were up to this site

[23:33] <imbecomingnew-VHL> that is so true chosen

[23:33] <ColcordMama-VHL> why, Jason?

[23:33] <imbecomingnew-VHL> we should not depend on anyone else

[23:33] <Chosen-VHL> 3Amen, Bob, if you know the God of the Word, then you will know the Word

[23:34] <snow-VHL> 2Why Jason.?

[23:34] <HostBob> that's good, Jason, because there are LOTS of weird teachings out there, and so many people buy into counterfeit gospels, counterfeit Jesus

[23:34] <Chosen-VHL> 3it is our responsibility to take our Word and check out for ourselves what our preachers are saying

[23:34] <HostBob> yes

[23:34] <jason-VHL> Always up until I see the teachings are of God and not of man

[23:34] <Olive-VHL> 12there are many good people in many denominations and will be in the resurrection. regardless of their religion.

[23:34] <HostBob> and not just run with the latest Christian "fad" or trendy teacher

[23:34] <imbecomingnew-VHL> the word says, they will say here is jesus and there is jesus and people will believe it, look at david koresh

[23:35] <Chosen-VHL> 3that's right olive

[23:35] <jason-VHL> Some only want self worth rather than to teach the word of God

[23:35] <HostBob> yes, Im

[23:35] <Chosen-VHL> 3it's a heart issue

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[23:36] <jason-VHL> I believe this affliction even faces many devout preachers

[23:36] <jason-VHL> As the average christian deals with one sin a messaenger of God also has sin to overcome

[23:36] <imbecomingnew-VHL> people are so starved for something to fill the god shaped hole in their lives, they are willing to chase after anything that sounds good.

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[23:37] <ColcordMama-VHL> Good way to put it, IM

[23:37] <Chosen-VHL> 3i believe God is raising up people to boldly speak the Word who others would never think God would choose

[23:37] <HostBob> Yes, unfortunately - Satan is devouring many, which is why was must be serious minded, vigilant and praying

[23:37] <jason-VHL> I believe this is why we can never stop learning

[23:37] <Olive-VHL> 12God gave us His handbook and we can walk right through to the resurrection if we follow His directions and not let anyone else change us if they are not using the smae book or map.

[23:37] <HostBob> Yes, Chosen

[23:37] <Chosen-VHL> 3We must be God Chasers!

[23:38] <jason-VHL> Thats why I am here tonight

[23:38] <ColcordMama-VHL> It is good to study prophecy, but to spend too much time wondering when the Rapture will happen, and not leading others to Christ, I think is a mistake.

[23:38] <HostBob> That's correct, Colcord

[23:39] <Chosen-VHL> 3It can be a diversion from our main purpose and that is to glorify the Lord with our lives

[23:39] <ColcordMama-VHL> The Great Commission is more important today than ever before

[23:39] <Olive-VHL> 12so many have to have proof before they believe as in every day life peoplesdon't bellieve unless they can see

[23:39] <jason-VHL> Its not for us to worry about, but felowship in any form still strengthens us

[23:39] <ColcordMama-VHL> Yes!

[23:39] <imbecomingnew-VHL> B-basic I-instructions B-before L-leaving E-earth

[23:39] <ColcordMama-VHL> Yes, IM

[23:39] <snow-VHL> Do you think it is harder to witness to your family, brothers, sisters, etc??>>

[23:39] <Chosen-VHL> 3good im

[23:39] <HostBob> Bible study should never become just a hobby or curiousity to us, or a thing to us to debate our pet doctrines - that's a scribe mentality, and it is deadly

[23:39] <ColcordMama-VHL> OH YES!!!!!

[23:39] <imbecomingnew-VHL> BIBLE

[23:40] <ColcordMama-VHL> Prophet is without honor in his own town ROFL

[23:40] <snow-VHL> Olive, without faith, it is impossible to please Him.

[23:40] <Chosen-VHL> 3Yes, Bob, if we study the bible for that purpose....we will be as the Word says..."having knowledge, but denying the power thereof"

[23:40] <imbecomingnew-VHL> right, bob

[23:40] <ColcordMama-VHL> and wasting time

[23:40] <HostBob> yes - "knowledge puffs up"

[23:41] <Chosen-VHL> 3It's the same as doing the works of Jesus without love....if we do them without love, they are powerless

[23:42] <jason-VHL> Your putting your chat roomdwn here, its topic is prophecy but alot of Fellowship is definitely happening here

[23:42] <HostBob> And... for those of you reading the transcript tomorrow on VHL - if you made it all the way down here in this lengthy tome, you deserve some kind of medal :)

[23:42] <HostBob> Yes, Jason :)

[23:42] <ColcordMama-VHL> LOL

[23:42] <imbecomingnew-VHL> i believe that is one of those wood, hay and stubble areas

[23:42] <ColcordMama-VHL> :-)

[23:42] <Chosen-VHL> 3;-)

[23:43] <jason-VHL> Go Big Orange

[23:43] <ColcordMama-VHL> LOL

[23:43] <jason-VHL> UT Student Here

[23:43] <Chosen-VHL> 3haha

[23:43] <HostBob> :)

[23:43] <snow-VHL> :-):->;-)

[23:43] <Chosen-VHL> 3heehee

[23:43] <ColcordMama-VHL> LOL

[23:44] <Chosen-VHL> 3you go snow!

[23:44] <HostBob> OK, everyone's getting silly and goofy now :)

[23:44] <snow-VHL> Ok, who says christians can't have fun.

[23:44] <HostBob> :)

[23:44] <Chosen-VHL> 3yepperree

[23:44] <ColcordMama-VHL> I better go now, but before I do, I would like to invite you all to check out mrssurvival.com

[23:44] <ColcordMama-VHL> I am a member there, and I highly recommend the people

[23:44] <imbecomingnew-VHL> thank you colcord

[23:44] <Olive-VHL> 12got to go now really enjoyed, take care all take God. good night

[23:44] <ColcordMama-VHL> and the information'

[23:44] <jason-VHL> Will give it a look

[23:44] <HostBob> thanks of joining us, Colcord, and Olive!

[23:44] <HostBob> for

[23:45] <Chosen-VHL> 3goodnight olive

[23:45] <HostBob> :)

[23:45] <ColcordMama-VHL> Bye (((((Hugs)))) see you next Monday

[23:45] <Chosen-VHL> 3goodnightcolcordmama

[23:45] <Olive-VHL> 12Thank youBob

[23:45] <snow-VHL> Blessed be the name, blessed be the name.........care to join me?

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[23:45] <Chosen-VHL> 3Blessed be the name of the Lord Most High

[23:45] <HostBob> Blessed be the name of the Lord!

[23:45] <imbecomingnew-VHL> blessed be the name of the lord

[23:45] <Chosen-VHL> 3Blessed be the name of the Lord Most High

[23:45] <Olive-VHL> 12Blessed be tje Mane of the LORD

[23:45] <jason-VHL> Blessed be the name of the Lord

[23:46] <imbecomingnew-VHL> blessed be the name, blessed be the name

[23:46] <Chosen-VHL> 3Blessed be the name of the Lord Most High

[23:46] <imbecomingnew-VHL> blessed be the name of the Lord Most High

[23:46] <Olive-VHL> 12Name of the LORD I am ahead of my self

[23:46] <snow-VHL> Goodnight Olive and ............:-)Blessed be the name of the LORD.

[23:46] <Chosen-VHL> 3you guys are funny tonight

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[23:46] <snow-VHL> You guys need to be in our choir.........we need you.

[23:47] <Chosen-VHL> 3lol

[23:47] <Chosen-VHL> 3we need some here too

[23:47] <Chosen-VHL> 3my husband directs choir at our church!

[23:47] <imbecomingnew-VHL> jesus, jesus, jesus, theres just something about that name

[23:47] <Chosen-VHL> 3that is the truth!

[23:47] <HostBob> OK Folks, I need to getting going here.... Thanks to all of you for participating - it was a great evening! You are welcome to stay and worship, fellowship and discuss as long as you wish :)

[23:48] <jason-VHL> I have had my refill on chritianity here tonight, Thanks all, Thankyou God, and goodnight

[23:48] <HostBob> Night, Jason!

[23:48] <Chosen-VHL> 3Everything is encompassed in the name of Jesus!

[23:48] <imbecomingnew-VHL> master, savior, Jesus. like the fragrance after the rain

[23:48] <Chosen-VHL> 3Thanks Bob!

[23:48] <Chosen-VHL> 3wish i could have gotten here sooner

[23:48] <Leon-VHL> Jason Olive rose snow&Bob thanks for letting me set in God Bless all of you good night tell the next time.

[23:48] <HostBob> See you next Monday!

[23:48] <snow-VHL> here is another one I like............Oh Lord , our Lord , How Majestic is your name in all the earth.........

[23:48] <Chosen-VHL> 3Be blessed Bob!

[23:48] <HostBob> See ya, Leon! God bless!

[23:49] <HostBob> Thanks :)

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[23:49] <imbecomingnew-VHL> thank you so much bob, see you next week, be blessed

[23:49] <Chosen-VHL> 3Hope to see you next Monday

[23:49] <imbecomingnew-VHL> :-)

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[23:49] <HostBob> :)

[23:49] <snow-VHL> Night Jason, come back again and I will sing praised for you.ok?

[23:49] <Chosen-VHL> 3:-)

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