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[17:52] <VCI-Stan> any questions/comments/thoughts?

[17:52] <HostBob> no, not really - hope your meeting goes well :)

[17:53] <HostBob> The only thing with this software is I don't get the cool little smiley faces :)

[17:53] <VCI-Stan> thanks, i'm surethe chat will go well too, if you do have any problems, please call me at +972.053.861514

[17:53] <HostBob> ok - got it

[17:53] <VCI-Stan> or, second option at +972.2.6712261

[17:54] <HostBob> Hey, Stan, the first # has less digits...

[17:55] <VCI-Stan> yes, the first one is my mobile... the second my regular home phone

[17:55] <HostBob> ahhh ok

[17:56] <VCI-Stan> all yours then, and thank you! may the LORD guide you and bless you for making yourself available to do this, and may He also bless all those who come by tonight.

[17:56] <HostBob> Yes, Lord, give us a good encouraging and beneficial session!

[17:56] <HostBob> See ya Stan!

[17:57] <VCI-Stan> i'll be on for a little while (as long as you see my door open in AIM) so message me if anything comes up. shalom bob

[17:57] <HostBob> Shalom

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[19:27] <EZGuest244> Testing

[19:27] <HostBob> Testing

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[19:42] <HostBob> Welcome, Kathy, to VHL Prophecy Chat!

[19:42] <Kathy-VHL> Hi Bob looking forward to the chat

[19:43] <Kathy-VHL> injoyed it so much last week

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[19:43] <HostBob> Great! Yes, it's encouraging to have "church" like this :)

[19:43] <Kathy-VHL> wonderful

[19:43] <HostBob> Shalom, Gran! Welcome!

[19:44] <Kathy-VHL> I am going to finish upin the kitchen while the others are getting here

[19:44] <HostBob> I'm just eating the last few bites of dinner myself :)

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[19:45] <HostBob> Hello Gramma! Welcome to VHL Prophecy Chat!

[19:46] <Gramma-VHL> Hi, Good to be back. Looking forward to the chat.

[19:46] <HostBob> You'll notice the new interface, with cute little Smileys :)

[19:46] <Gramma-VHL> Yes, this is really neat. :->

[19:47] <HostBob> And hopefully people will be tossed out less often

[19:48] <Gramma-VHL> This is going to great.

[19:48] <HostBob> You can see also that you get to pick your "own" color

[19:48] <Gramma-VHL> Opps, I mean do great.

[19:48] <HostBob> should be easier to follow conversations

[19:49] <Gramma-VHL> Yes, I noticed that, too. This is a lot like ICQ, right?

[19:49] <HostBob> Yes, I have not used ICQ that much, but I think it is similar

[19:50] <Gramma-VHL> Gran and Kathy, are you here, too? My list says you are.

[19:50] <HostBob> Kathy stepped out to finish up in the kitchen, she said

[19:51] <Gramma-VHL> OK, I just wondered. Think I'll get a glass of ice water while I'm waiting.

[19:51] <HostBob> ok :)

[19:52] <Kathy-VHL> Im back and ready to learn

[19:52] <Kathy-VHL> :-)

[19:52] <HostBob> Do you have a topic of interest, Kathy?

[19:53] <Kathy-VHL> I am intrested in it all Bob especially what is going on at the present and how it relates to prophecy

[19:55] <HostBob> Tonight we will discuss the latest developments in Lebanon and Syria

[19:55] <Gramma-VHL> I'm back, too.

[19:55] <Kathy-VHL> I listened to Hall Lindsay last week on his TV program compairing the new President of Russia to Hitler did you see that broadcase

[19:55] <HostBob> No, I didn't see that, but from what I have read about Putin...

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[19:56] <Kathy-VHL> Ok Bob I will learn i am not too up do date but anxious to learn

[19:56] <HostBob> he is a hard nose, no nonsense person who is going to

[19:56] <HostBob> in his words bring "control" back to Russia

[19:56] <HostBob> Hello, RaptureBob! Welcome to Virtual Holy Land Prophecy Chat!

[19:56] <Kathy-VHL> Hall Lindsay's discussion of him was most interesting

[19:57] <HostBob> Many people in Russia fear a return to oppression

[19:57] <HostBob> but many welcome the change after years of economic chaos and corruption

[19:58] <Kathy-VHL> He was talking about how democracy had not worked because the people didnt know how it was suposed to work and felt he would bring them back under opression

[19:58] <HostBob> We can only hope and pray he doesn't crack down on Evangelical Christians

[19:58] <RaptureBob-VHL> Think he'll be the one to lead the Gog and Magog War?

[19:58] <Kathy-VHL> That is what this program was talking about

[19:58] <HostBob> Could be, RaptureBob

[19:59] <HostBob> Hard to say.... he seems to have the personality for it

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[20:00] <HostBob> Shalom elmoe! Welcome to Virtual Holy Land Prophecy Chat!

[20:00] <elmoe-VHL> hello hostbob

[20:00] <Gramma-VHL> Hi elmoe:-)

[20:00] <RaptureBob-VHL> What do you think would give Russia enough nerve (humanly speaking) to arrack Israel? maybe the problems in the world caused by the Rapture?

[20:01] <HostBob> The Gog and Magog war that RaptureBob refers to is described in Ezekiel 38 & 39

[20:01] <elmoe-VHL> hi gramma

[20:01] <HostBob> Rapt, I think it will be under the auspices of the UN, a punitive action of some sort, perhaps

[20:02] <HostBob> The recent precedent of UN interventions into those kinds of situations is unsettling

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[20:03] <HostBob> If, for example, there is a war with Syria, which I believe the prophecies indicate, perhaps Russia might lead a UN coalition in response to that

[20:03] <HostBob> just a theory

[20:03] <HostBob> Imbecoming, Welcome to Virtual Holy Land Prophecy Chat!

[20:03] <imbecomingnew-VHL> thank you bob

[20:03] <HostBob> And welcome and shalom to everyone!

[20:03] <HostBob> Tonight, we will try to keep it interesting for you,

[20:03] <HostBob> as we discuss topics related to Bible prophecy.

[20:04] <HostBob> This chat session is "officially" scheduled for one hour...

[20:04] <HostBob> but we'll probably be hanging out for a little longer

[20:04] <HostBob> than that, so stick around if you'd like!

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[20:04] <HostBob> Lord Jesus, we know that the Bible

[20:04] <HostBob> is your communication to us about your

[20:04] <HostBob> power, glory and love. We ask you to be with

[20:04] <HostBob> us tonight and to guide our discussions.

[20:04] <HostBob> Remember that this is an open forum.

[20:04] <HostBob> Any relevant topic in which you are interested

[20:04] <HostBob> is open for discussion - so feel free

[20:04] <HostBob> to chime in with your questions, opinions,

[20:04] <HostBob> insights, etc!

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[20:05] <HostBob> We will talk about the recent developments in Lebanon and Syria....

[20:05] <HostBob> and anything else that you wish to discuss relating to Bible prophecy

[20:05] <HostBob> From today's Jerusalem Post:

[20:05] <HostBob> Prime Minister Ehud Barak has said he is taking into account the possibility of a conflagration when Israel withdraws from Lebanon.

[20:06] <HostBob> interesting terminology that PM Barak used, "conflagration"

[20:06] <HostBob> are you all familiar with the situation there?

[20:06] <imbecomingnew-VHL> what is that

[20:06] <HostBob> it means a huge blazing fire

[20:06] <Gramma-VHL> No, what is going on?

[20:06] <Kathy-VHL> Im not fill me in

[20:07] <HostBob> ok, some background....

[20:07] <HostBob> in 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon in response to the PLO setting up military bases there

[20:07] <HostBob> and using those for terrorist raids and shelling of the Upper Galilee

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[20:08] <HostBob> and since that time, Israel has occupied a "buffer zone" in the south of Lebanon as protection

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[20:08] <HostBob> the international community has long clamored for Israel to withdraw....

[20:08] <HostBob> and now Barak has said they will do so by July

[20:09] <HostBob> but.... now the Syrians and Lebanese are signing another tune...

[20:09] <HostBob> now threatening Isreal if they DO withdraw - go figure

[20:10] <HostBob> Anyway, I do see some indications that there may be a future war there, according the Scriptures

[20:10] <HostBob> OK - I've yammered enough :) time for you all to talk :)

[20:10] <elmoe-VHL> what does barak hope to accomplish by pulling out of lebanon?

[20:10] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6does that leave Israel open ended, and why don't they want the withdrawal now

[20:11] <HostBob> Primarily, to stop the killing of Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah

[20:11] <elmoe-VHL> I see

[20:11] <HostBob> Syria is the occupying power in Lebanon, and they do not want it because they will lose much of their political leverage in their desire to regain the Golan Heights

[20:12] <HostBob> Elmoe, Barak realizes many in Israel are very tired of seeing the young men being picked off by the guerrillas

[20:13] <HostBob> Plus - politically speaking, it's a smart move for Israel, because it removes any pretext for Syria to allow and support Hezzbolah - they can no longer say it is a just cause of removing the "occupiers"

[20:14] <HostBob> Hezbollah is largely funded and supplied by Iran

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[20:14] <HostBob> Welcome 4Him!

[20:14] <livin4him-VHL> hello

[20:15] <livin4him-VHL> I am glad to be here

[20:15] <elmoe-VHL> I'm not too up on things, what is hezzbolah, a military movenent?

[20:15] <HostBob> But of course the Israelis are very concerned about losing the "buffer zone"

[20:15] <HostBob> it's a guerrila organization

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[20:15] <livin4him-VHL> its acall for a holy war

[20:15] <HostBob> a radical Islam group

[20:15] <elmoe-VHL> thank you

[20:15] <HostBob> that vows the destruction of Israel

[20:16] <livin4him-VHL> they don't want anything to do wirth Isreal

[20:16] <HostBob> their name mean "army of Allah"

[20:16] <elmoe-VHL> Israel will never be destroyed, there will always be a remnant

[20:16] <HostBob> That's right elmoe! Amen!

[20:16] <livin4him-VHL> Praise God for that rement

[20:17] <HostBob> Not only will they not be destroyed, but God is going to make them prevail in the end

[20:17] <HostBob> according to the prophecies

[20:17] <elmoe-VHL> This world will one day see the mighty hand of God at work for his people

[20:17] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6have you by any chance seen the movie, Omega Code

[20:17] <Gramma-VHL> The whole story has a good ending.

[20:17] <livin4him-VHL> Praise God!!!

[20:17] <HostBob> Amen!!

[20:18] <HostBob> Here's a prophecy that comes to mind....

[20:18] <livin4him-VHL> what do you think about the recent visit to the pope to the holyland?

[20:18] <HostBob> But now many nations are gathered against you. They say, "Let her be defiled, let our eyes gloat over Zion!" (Micah 4:11 NIV)

[20:18] <Gramma-VHL> What about Omega Code?

[20:18] <HostBob> Yes, tell us about the movie

[20:18] <HostBob> But they do not know the thoughts of the LORD; they do not understand his plan, he who gathers them like sheaves to the threshing floor. (Micah 4:12 NIV)

[20:18] <livin4him-VHL> I haven't seen that movie But I would like to

[20:19] <HostBob> "Rise and thresh, O Daughter of Zion, for I will give you horns of iron; I will give you hoofs of bronze and you will break to pieces many nations." You will devote their ill-gotten gains to the LORD, their wealth to the Lord of all the earth. (Micah 4:13 NIV)

[20:19] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6it has a lot of speculation, but it could happen

[20:19] <milly-VHL> Bob, where exactly is this buffer zone?

[20:19] <elmoe-VHL> Yes, no matter how hard satan's armies have tried, or will try Israel will prevail in the end because she belongs to God

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[20:20] <HostBob> Milly, it's the southern part of Lebanon, I'm not sure exactly how many miles

[20:20] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6it is based on the possibility that the original text of the bible has hidden codes

[20:21] <HostBob> Yes, Israel will prevail, but only under the leadership of their Messiah Yeshua, who will appear in the sky to defend them :)

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[20:21] <HostBob> Welcome, Hope, Rebel!

[20:21] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6and the anit-christ arises and comes into power by using the hidden information

[20:21] <elmoe-VHL> One day their eyes will be opened, bless Yeshua

[20:21] <HostBob> Amen, Elmoe!

[20:21] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6it is written in a computer program that he steals

[20:21] <Rebel43-VHL> Thank-you Bob

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[20:22] <Gramma-VHL> That movie sound interesting.

[20:22] <HostBob> Did you like the movie? Was it accurate, Biblically?

[20:22] <HostBob> Welcome, Mama!!! Welcome to Virtual Holy Land Prophecy Chat!

[20:22] <Rebel43-VHL> I have seen the movie. I'll give you my opinion if you like.

[20:23] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6it was as close as you can be given the speculation of how things will go

[20:23] <hope-VHL> Hi Bob, what movie are you all talking about?

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[20:23] <HostBob> It's called Omega Code, right? I have not seen it

[20:23] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6are you familiar with the TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK, if so they are the producers of it

[20:24] <Gramma-VHL> That rings bell. I know what you are talking about now.

[20:24] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6yes, i liked it very much.especially the ending

[20:24] <milly-VHL> 2What was your opinion, Rebel?

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[20:24] <HostBob> From todays's Jerusalem Post: (more about Hezbollah) a Hizbullah leader has said there will be no guarantee of quiet even after a pullout because Israel must also withdraw from the Golan.

[20:25] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6the end is a battle for the final code in which the anti-christ thinks will give him the world

[20:25] <jazene-VHL> good evening everyone, have not see it yet

[20:25] <HostBob> Shalom, Jazene, Chosen!

[20:25] <hope-VHL> I thought it was o.k., but there was no mention of the 666 sign, the only time they mention Jesus was once, when he called out to him, because he was having bad dreams.

[20:25] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6instead, it ushers in the renewal of the world

[20:25] <Gramma-VHL> So, one thing leads to another and Israel's land gets smaller and smaller, right?

[20:25] <Chosen-VHL> Hello there!

[20:25] <Rebel43-VHL> B-type production. Of course nothing made by man is going to even come close to what will actually happen. I have a problem with the rapture position of TBN and the Crouch's

[20:26] <HostBob> That's their objective, Gramma, to keep reducing the land that Israel has

[20:26] <hope-VHL> Good point about the rapture Rebel

[20:26] <Gramma-VHL> Me, too.:-O

[20:26] <jazene-VHL> kind of like the sieries of books Left Behind

[20:26] <Gramma-VHL> Not thrilled with those books.!

[20:26] <hope-VHL> A great action packed book on end times (fiction) of course, is The Fourth Reich, by Robert Van Kampen

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[20:27] <Gramma-VHL> The Bible is much exciting and accurate, right?

[20:27] <hope-VHL> The left behind are for only pretribers

[20:27] <HostBob> Well, even if we don't agree with all of the eschatology positions of certain books, we can be glad that they are being used to bring people to the Lord! :)

[20:27] <jazene-VHL> amen everyone

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[20:27] <hope-VHL> AMEN

[20:27] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6i don't know what their position is, do you know

[20:27] <HostBob> Welcome, TJ, Lori!

[20:28] <TJTODD> thanks Bob!

[20:28] <hope-VHL> The Fourth Reich is prewrath

[20:28] <Chosen-VHL> Greetings imbecomingnew!

[20:28] <HostBob> Lots of familiar "faces" in here :)

[20:28] <lori-VHL> Hello!

[20:28] <Kathy-VHL> remember Christ was the greatest story teller so why souldnt God continue to get His message out in story form

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[20:28] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6hello chosen

[20:28] <hope-VHL> HAS ANY ONE TALKED ABOUT DIGITAL ANGEL, I WAS LATE

[20:28] <HostBob> Shalom melk, gr8!

[20:28] <HostBob> Not yet, hope

[20:28] <melk-VHL> hello

[20:29] <lori-VHL> Wow, this is different. May take me a minute to figure it out

[20:29] <hope-VHL> o.K. GOOD, the other day I gave the NASDAQ wrong it's ADSX

[20:29] <Gramma-VHL> What is Digital Angel?

[20:29] <jazene-VHL> true to a point but i think that too much story telling takes away from the real end

[20:29] <HostBob> Tell us about it if you have read about it, anyone

[20:30] <HostBob> You get to pick your own color, Lori :)

[20:30] <HostBob> and use those cool smiley faces :)

[20:30] <Gramma-VHL> Amen, jazene!

[20:31] <HostBob> My wife just brought be a bowl of chocolate ice cream! What a wife! :)

[20:31] <melk-VHL> will everybody tell me where there from?

[20:31] <hope-VHL> Its a human implant chip called Digital Angel....the parent company is Applied Digital Solution, they are marketing the device towards for instance...for lost children, heart patients, criminals, military....they are making it very appealing to the public, it was patented back in 1995, and by year end it will be on the market

[20:31] <Rebel43-VHL> Digital Angel is a computer chip that get's it's power from the electricity in a living body, whether animal or human. It basically as GPS capabilities and could be used to track a person like it is being used to keep with cattle.

[20:31] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6i think that if the story telling is kept as close to the truth as possible, there is always the possibility it could open someone

[20:31] <Chosen-VHL> What a wife Bob!6

[20:31] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6someone's eyes

[20:32] <Rebel43-VHL> Need to keep her Bob.

[20:32] <HostBob> I agree that these technologies will someday lead to "the mark" but I don't think people will receive it by accident

[20:32] <HostBob> Yes, Rebel :)

[20:32] <TJTODD> Bob,have you talked to Stan lately?

[20:32] <hope-VHL> Yeah, Rebel, they say it will run by the use of muscles not batteries

[20:32] <HostBob> I chatted with him today, TJ

[20:32] <Gramma-VHL> Bob, is VHL endorsing Digital Angel?

[20:32] <HostBob> endorsing? no!

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[20:33] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6neither do i bob, people have to be able to choose

[20:33] <Rebel43-VHL> It is already in use and there are many humans including US military already implanted with it.

[20:33] <HostBob> Just informing people of developments related to Bible prophecy

[20:33] <Gramma-VHL> I asked because this is the only site on which I have seen anything about it.

[20:33] <TJTODD> did he say anything about Israel doing away with their money, and using a mark to buy or sell?

[20:33] <HostBob> Yes, Im, it seems "the mark" will be a symbol of devotion and dedication to "the beast"

[20:33] <hope-VHL> They have their own web site

[20:33] <jazene-VHL> yes but these kids now adays have been filled with so many stories they just don't know which way to turn anymore.

[20:34] <HostBob> no, TJ

[20:34] <Rebel43-VHL> Just a thought on the mark's location. Right hand or forehead. The frontal lobes of the brain are where choices are made. The right hand is a symbol of acceptance or confirmation.

[20:34] <hope-VHL> Well if it's required to ONLY be inserted in the right hand or forhead I would definitely be suspicious!

[20:34] <HostBob> Interesting observation, Rebel

[20:35] <Gramma-VHL> The Bible is specific about that.

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[20:35] <melk-VHL> Thats right Gramma

[20:35] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6jaz, that is where we have to trust God to do the good workings, by the power of His Spirit

[20:35] <elmoe-VHL> sounds like an "angel of light" to me

[20:35] <HostBob> Welcome, Thunder!

[20:35] <hope-VHL> Rebel, are they specifically just doing it in those locations

[20:36] <Rebel43-VHL> If the mark is something physical, then a person could be held down and the mark applied without your permission. Bible indicates the mark of the beast is a matter of choice.

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[20:36] <Gramma-VHL> Like choosing to worship or serve the beast?

[20:36] <hope-VHL> Yeah, they're already talking about marking infants in the hospitals!

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[20:36] <melk-VHL> The bible also says those that want recieve it will be killed.

[20:37] <jazene-VHL> how could anyone think of accepting anything like that don't they realize how much control the government has over them already. and how about those two soldiers that were discharged becuase the would't accept the anthrix shot i have probably mis spelled something sorry

[20:37] <Gramma-VHL> Maybe they are the ones who won't worship or serve the beast.

[20:37] <HostBob> When the time comes, people will be eager, clamoring, to get the mark, to show their love and devotion for the great "Christ" who will deceive with miracles and great power

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[20:38] <TJTODD> I talked with my daughter today, and she said she had heard that they are getting ready to do this,but she doesn't know when.

[20:38] <Gramma-VHL> He does come first, we need to keep that in mind--the false one comes first.

[20:38] <lori-VHL> 2They will think he is the Christ. That is the deception.

[20:38] <hope-VHL> By year end, the company says

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> Hi all it took me long enough to find you I got in somewhere else and got here accidentally

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> very interesting chatting

[20:38] <HostBob> Yes, and he will be convincing to the people who have not "loved the truth"

[20:38] <hope-VHL> Welcome

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> thanks

[20:39] <Rebel43-VHL> Question. Is their a mark or sign between G_D and his people, if so what is it?

[20:39] <HostBob> For those who have chosen not to love Jesus, God will send the "great delusion" to seal their doom

[20:39] <hope-VHL> You know the really scary thing, is the scientist that developed the thing, claims to be a Christian, and he says there is absolutely NO connection to the Bible, it all comes down to interpretation, he says!

[20:39] <thunder-VHL> Hello everyone! This is my first time on a chat and this is the subject that I really love. If you think about the mark and the way the world is at the moment, the time is really getting ripe because so many people don't really read that much because they are so caught up in the world of life

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 6right on Bob I believe the whole bible as fact

[20:39] <HostBob> Rebel, it does talk in Revalation, about GOD sealing His servants

[20:39] <jazene-VHL> good nite all computer problems till next time god bless all

[20:40] <lori-VHL> 2The Bible says even the very elect would be fooled.

[20:40] <HostBob> Bye Jazene

[20:40] <HostBob> yes, Lori

[20:40] <milly-VHL> 2What is G_D?

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[20:40] <hope-VHL> goodnight Jazene

[20:40] <HostBob> it will be that convincing

[20:40] <melk-VHL> spirit

[20:40] <Rebel43-VHL> Yes it does. The Old Testament also talks about a sign between G_D and his chosen people.

[20:40] <Gramma-VHL> It says they would be fooled if it were possible--the elect, doesn't it?

[20:41] <HostBob> Well, hope, technology itself is neutral, it's the evil ways that man puts it to use

[20:41] <christy50-VHL> <Maroon I think the deception is already in full swing

[20:41] <HostBob> Yes, Gramma

[20:41] <TJTODD> Lori, the Bible said if possible, the very elect would be deceived.

[20:41] <lori-VHL> 2Only one person has that much power/authority with all the nations today.

[20:41] <Rebel43-VHL> Good point Bob

[20:41] <hope-VHL> I agree Bob

[20:41] <TJTODD> what person Lori are you talking about?

[20:42] <Rebel43-VHL> Who is that Lori

[20:42] <HostBob> Here's another tidbit from today's Jerusalem Post: Syrian Foreign Minister Farouk Shara has for the first time acknowledged that Bashar Assad, son of Syrian President Hafez Assad, is in line for succession - and he explicitly ruled out the possibility that Bashar would accept what he termed a "dishonorable peace" with Israel.

[20:42] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob in Rev. 7:4 it speaks of the !44,000 being sealed

[20:43] <HostBob> Yes, Gran

[20:43] <hope-VHL> those 144,000 are jewish

[20:43] <lori-VHL> 2The vatican and/or pope with their empire Which is how the very elect could be fooled. Of course this is my opinion.

[20:43] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6i think i heard benny hinn say that he believes the anti-christ will come out of syria

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[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 6in verse 3 it reads that the servants of our God aare sealed on their foreheads

[20:43] <Gramma-VHL> Bob, what does "dishonorable peace" mean?

[20:43] <Rebel43-VHL> No hope those 144,000 are 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel.

[20:43] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6i think he wrote it in a book

[20:44] <milly-VHL> 2what would be a dishonable peace?

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Jewish they are the remnant

[20:44] <hope-VHL> Once Assad's son gets in there that's probably when the war will start

[20:44] <HostBob> Gramma, it's Syria's way of saying they will not budge from their unrealistic demands to get land all the way to the Sea of Galileee

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 6yes the twelve tribes

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 6then also we believers will be sealed as well

[20:44] <HostBob> Assad's son may not have the wherewithal to retain power

[20:45] <thunder-VHL> you are sealed with the Holy Spirit!

[20:45] <christy50-VHL> 5I don't think the mark is going to be as obvious as people think...alot of people who have heard about the anti christ think that they will know when the time comes for the mark and they will refuse to take it...but if they don't have Christ in their life they will not recognize it when it comes

[20:45] <TJTODD> Bob, do you think the antichrist will come out of Syria?

[20:45] <Rebel43-VHL> The Jews are from the house of David the kingly line of the tribes of Isreal. Jesus was from the house of David or Judah as well.

[20:45] <Gramma-VHL> That is a big chunk for the Syrians to try to bite off--so to speak.

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 6I just don't understand how anyone can think that the Church has replaced Israel as God favored ones God doesn' lie or change His mind once He has made a promise

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[20:45] <HostBob> TJ, interestingly enough, I read something today from one of the "church fathers" that said that, but I don't really see it in the Scriptures anywhere

[20:46] <Gramma-VHL> Doesn' t that idea come from the "Gentiles being grafted in"?

[20:46] <hope-VHL> Bob, isn't the 144,000 the Jewish people that will later flee to Petra, and God seals their forheads?

[20:46] <thunder-VHL> The church hasn't replaced Israel, God is dealing with the Gentile world and this is the mystery that the prophets wanted to look into, later God is going to deal with his people.

[20:46] <HostBob> Even though Israel has capitulated greatly in giving up land, it's unlikely that they would relinquish land that would jeopardize their water supply

[20:47] <TJTODD> Bob,i can't see how an Arab can be an antichrist,the Jewish people won't accept an Arab for their Messiah. Right?

[20:47] <HostBob> Hope, yes, that's the way some have interpreted those events

[20:47] <hope-VHL> VERY GOOD Point TJ

[20:47] <lori-VHL> 2The 2 witnesses have a diffinent role in this also. They are to tell the world not to accept the mark which is very possible why they may be murdered in the streets & left for 3 days for the world to see.

[20:47] <TJTODD> thanks hope

[20:47] <HostBob> true, TJ, but does it say in the Bible that Israel will accept him as the Messiah?

[20:48] <Gran-VHL> 6he will most likely be part jewish in order for Israel to accept him

[20:48] <Gramma-VHL> It says he deceives the whole world.

[20:48] <HostBob> I'm not so sure about that - he will "force" his way into the temple and set himself up as God, right?

[20:48] <HostBob> true, Gramma

[20:48] <TJTODD> i thought so Bob. It doesn't ?

[20:48] <hope-VHL> The true Orthodox Jew will never accept him

[20:48] <Gramma-VHL> Doesn't he come in peacefully?

[20:49] <HostBob> I'm not sure, TJ - that is often assumed, but I have not seen it anywhere

[20:49] <Rebel43-VHL> Question. How can you accept or decline the mark if you don't know what the mark is?

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 6yes for the first part of the tribulation

[20:49] <Gran-VHL> 6seven years

[20:49] <thunder-VHL> Don't think he will come in and tell everyone that he is lying!

[20:49] <HostBob> Good question Gramma - that would be a good line of study

[20:49] <melk-VHL> Want he form a one world government before the mark, Bob?

[20:49] <hope-VHL> GOOD point Rebel!

[20:49] <Gramma-VHL> 12Good question,Rebel?

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[20:50] <christy50-VHL> 5no one will even think of declining the mark unless they have the knowledge of it. from the Bible...

[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 6'he comes in making great promises to the Jews so they will accept him as Messiah

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[20:50] <Gran-VHL> 6then after seven years he shows his true hand when he already has power

[20:50] <HostBob> Melk, that's a good question - he will have control yes, but in Daniel it indicated he will still be fighting against other kingdoms - I have not sorted all of that out yet :)

[20:50] <MHRocky-VHL> hello

[20:50] <MHRocky-VHL> Bob Hi

[20:50] <hope-VHL> And the fact that this scientist is claiming to be a Christian, and that it will never be forced, is really scary!

[20:50] <HostBob> Welcome, Rocky!

[20:51] <Gramma-VHL> 2To the whole world. This world is in such a mess, someone promising peace would be welcome if he could accomplish it.

[20:51] <MHRocky-VHL> it is Me Mark Bob

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[20:51] <MHRocky-VHL> From NY

[20:51] <HostBob> Hey Mark! Great to see ya!

[20:51] <Gran-VHL> 6peace is what istrael has been crying for for many years

[20:51] <thunder-VHL> It is a great time to witness to people, a great time for the Christians!

[20:51] <MHRocky-VHL> I was in wrong room

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[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 6me too

[20:52] <MHRocky-VHL> I went to VHL-chat

[20:52] <HostBob> I think, the point for us believers, is to be sure that we know the Lord, I mean REALLY know Him and be walking with Him, praying, waiting, alert

[20:52] <Rebel43-VHL> Hope: read Revelation 7: 4-8. It very clearly states that the 144,000 are made up of the twelve tribes of Israel. The Jews or house of Judah is one of the 12 tribes where are the other eleven now?

[20:52] <HostBob> I'm glad you made it, Mark! :)

[20:52] <thunder-VHL> Amen

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[20:53] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 6you are so right bob

[20:53] <TJTODD> Bob, the Jewish people are still looking for the messiah to come. Didn't the Lord say that another would come in his own name, and that they the Jewish people would receive him? Isn't that talking about the anti-Messiah?

[20:53] <HostBob> Rebel, there were remnants from the other 11 that were interspersed with the 2 tribes in the south

[20:53] <Sue-VHL> My husband and I are going to Israel soon. We are so thrilled.

[20:53] <Gramma-VHL> Antd to know the False Christ comes first. That is important, don't you think?

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[20:53] <Kathy-VHL> If you consider how people view our president and what he has done and can still be popular just think what they will do when someone even more charasmatic shows up making promisses and lying

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 6It really concerns me that so many Jews are not reliegious and will give up anything for peace

[20:53] <HostBob> that's good point, TJ

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[20:53] <HostBob> Great, Sue!

[20:53] <melk-VHL> Peace, is what he is going to use to decieve people. Because not being able to buy or sell takes away street drugs and gambling.

[20:54] <TJTODD> thanks Bob!

[20:54] <HostBob> Good point, Kathy!

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[20:54] <Rebel43-VHL> So does that mean they have blended in with the house of Judah and are now part of that tribe.

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[20:54] <Gramma-VHL> And puts him in total control.melk.

[20:54] <HostBob> I think so, Rebel

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[20:54] <HostBob> well, there are still descendants of all 12 among the Jews today

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 6if this micochip under the skin ever happens it will appeal to those that want to get rid of the evil forces that threaten our safety

[20:55] <HostBob> though they probably have lost much of the documentation for it

[20:55] <Rebel43-VHL> If there are they don't know it.

[20:55] <christy50-VHL> 5exactly Gran

[20:55] <HostBob> I found an interesting web site the other day....

[20:55] <TJTODD> that's the problem gran, the Jewish people are religious, and not saved!

[20:55] <christy50-VHL> 5it will seem like the sensible thing to do

[20:55] <HostBob> the "Shealtiel" family ..... does that name ring a bell to anyone?

[20:55] <MHRocky-VHL> when Judah and IsreAL SPLIT THE REST OF THE TRIBE WENT WITH ONE OR THE OTHER RIGHT

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 6I have talk of it for years now just like some card they may want us to accept to ferret out the criminals

[20:56] <imbecomingnew-VHL> 12not me, who is it

[20:56] <hope-VHL> Has any one considered the possibility of Prince Charles as the anti christ, before you laugh, like I did at first, check out the site www.tribnews.net

[20:56] <melk-VHL> Thats the problem with alot of our churches today. TJ

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 6so right TJ

[20:56] <Rebel43-VHL> There are also a lot of "Christians" who are religious and not saved.

[20:56] <HostBob> Rocky, some of the faithful went south to stay true to the Lord

[20:56] <TJTODD> if the Jewish people were saved, they wouldn't be able to be deceived.

[20:56] <HostBob> yes, Rebel

[20:56] <HostBob> Shealtiel was a descendant of David....

[20:56] <HostBob> father of Zerubbabel...

[20:57] <HostBob> and one of the ancestors of Jesus....

[20:57] <HostBob> anyway, there is a large Jewish family today called "Shealtiel"

[20:57] <HostBob> and they trace their lineage to David - have a very extensive website detailing it

[20:57] <HostBob> it's fascinating stuff

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 6that is the reason so much gets blamed on the Christian when much of what has happened that is evil is not from Chjristains at all

[20:58] <Gramma-VHL> What is the website, Bob?

[20:58] <TJTODD> Bob that sounds interesting.

[20:58] <hope-VHL> What is the website?

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob how do we fiind that website

[20:58] <HostBob> http://www.shealtiel.org/index.html

[20:59] <HostBob> I stumbled on it while doing some research on Zerubabbel

[20:59] <MHRocky-VHL> Bob do you host more than one chat

[20:59] <Gramma-VHL> Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

[20:59] <HostBob> no Mark, just Monday nights - Stan from Jerusalem hosts the Wed night chats

[20:59] <TJTODD> thanks Bob!

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 6thanks Bob I will share that with friends

[20:59] <HostBob> you're welcome :)

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[21:00] <MHRocky-VHL> OK cause Judy was looking for you in the other Chat

[21:00] <HostBob> Another news tidbit...

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[21:00] <HostBob> From Arutz Sheva:

[21:00] <HostBob> Sheikh Naim Kassem, a deputy chief of Hizbullah, said last night, "Even if Israel withdraws from every centimeter of Lebanon, there will be no guarantees for Israel's security..." Barak, at a press conference with visiting U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen today, responded, "We don't recommend that anyone experiment with us once we are on the international border. "

[21:01] <melk-VHL> It's been great chating, see you all later.

[21:01] <HostBob> Bye, Melk! Glad you came!

[21:01] <lori-VHL> 2Bye Melk

[21:01] <MHRocky-VHL> see ya melk

[21:01] <melk-VHL> Bye

[21:02] <HostBob> Looks like our "official" one hour session is up... but don't despair :) we are going to keep going for awhile :)

[21:02] <Gran-VHL> 6one of my big concerns are the Golon heights and what Barak decides to do about it

[21:02] <MHRocky-VHL> Isreal is alway in danger of war

[21:02] <hope-VHL> Isn't there something specific about the fact that the last peace treaty signed between Arafat and Rabin, was on September 13, 1993, and now on September 13, 2000, Arafat expects to have it signed?

[21:02] <HostBob> Yes, Rocky, unfortunately they have very bad neighbors

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[21:03] <Gran-VHL> 6without the Golon Israel will be at the mercy of Seria and seria will not give any mercy

[21:03] <HostBob> Hope, Oslo did specify that time frame, if I'm remembering correctly

[21:03] <christy50-VHL> 5I have never been able to understand how any one could believe that Israel giving up their land was going to secure peace...

[21:03] <MHRocky-VHL> Yes and if they would have listen to God in the first place they would not be in this mess

[21:03] <Rebel43-VHL> that is correct Bob.

[21:03] <HostBob> I believe it will lead to war, Gran, based on the Bible prophecies

[21:03] <Gran-VHL> 6we all need to pray that our government will do an about face and support Israel

[21:04] <HostBob> Yes, Christy, it's perplexing, huh?

[21:04] <christy50-VHL> 5yes indeed

[21:04] <MHRocky-VHL> Yes we need to Support Isreal

[21:04] <Gran-VHL> 6Yes I do not doubt that Bob and I have not even had a chance to visit there

[21:04] <christy50-VHL> 5seems like they are the only ones who are giving up anything...

[21:04] <Rebel43-VHL> I assume you are talking about the United States Government Gran

[21:04] <Kathy-VHL> 2we better pray that our country suports Israel because God has made clear what will happen if we do not

[21:04] <HostBob> Like all of us, huh Mark? We wouldn't get into such personal messes if we listened to God the first time? :)

[21:05] <MHRocky-VHL> for who ever Supports Isreal will have Gods support

[21:05] <Gran-VHL> 6my heart has always been with Israel since a young child

[21:05] <HostBob> Yes, Kathy

[21:05] <Gran-VHL> 6amen rocky

[21:05] <MHRocky-VHL> Amen

[21:05] <HostBob> Christy, they feel they have no alternative but to give up land...

[21:05] <Gran-VHL> 6has anyone wondered why God has allowed the things that the Jews have gone through for so many years

[21:06] <HostBob> but they are not looking at it from the perspective of God's promises to them

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[21:06] <HostBob> that's a very touchy subject, Gran, isn't it?

[21:06] <MHRocky-VHL> Gran tell us

[21:06] <hope-VHL> Well unfortunately I have to say good night! God Bless you all

[21:06] <Rebel43-VHL> Because they broke his commandments

[21:06] <Kathy-VHL> 2Because they rejected Him the Gospel was opened to us

[21:06] <HostBob> I just published an article on my website yesterday about that, some of the reasons

[21:06] <Rebel43-VHL> Bye hope

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[21:06] <TJTODD> Bye hope

[21:06] <lori-VHL> 2Bye hope

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 6I have been studying the old testiment and wonder if the reason is because of the number of tiimes Isreal has turned her back on God

[21:07] <christy50-VHL> 5I know...because the whole world is telling them they have too..It is ludicrous...the arab nations will alway hate Israel and jump on any chance to do them in

[21:07] <HostBob> and the sad legacy and result of their disobedience

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[21:07] <MHRocky-VHL> The Flock doomed to Slaughter Bob?

[21:07] <HostBob> Gran, yes, that is true - like all of us, when we have turned our back on God, and He has let us go our own way and see the consequences of our disobedience

[21:07] <HostBob> yes, Mark

[21:08] <Gramma-VHL> Ihave to go now, too. The Lord bless all of you, and peace.

[21:08] <TJTODD> Bye Gramma

[21:08] <MHRocky-VHL> I liked it Bob

[21:08] <HostBob> Night, Gramma! We are so glad you joined us!

[21:08] <Gran-VHL> 6also because during the last of the time Jesus was with Pilot he washed his hands of the blood of Jesus and the Jews yelled out let his blood be on our hands and our childrrens

[21:08] <HostBob> Thanks, Mark

[21:08] <lori-VHL> 2Yes, I agree Israel has turned her back on God; but also the Bible says God blinded them so the rest of the world could be grafted in. So, I love Israel in spite of their unbelief. God will open their eyes when the time is right.

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[21:08] <MHRocky-VHL> Going to give it to Pastor Gary at Church

[21:09] <TJTODD> I agree Lori !

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[21:09] <HostBob> Yes, Gran, but unfortunately the "Gentiles" have twisted that into justifying the pogroms, persecutions, and holocaust

[21:09] <HostBob> Amen, Lori!!!

[21:09] <lori-VHL> 2Thanx TJ! I

[21:09] <Kathy-VHL> 2Christ said He had another flock and I believe that is us

[21:10] <lori-VHL> 2Thanx Bob!

[21:10] <HostBob> Yes, Kathy, and ultimately it will be "one flock"

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 6you know because we have the written word of God and have the Rev and the Kings and other old testiment to read we are very privileded so we really can't judge israel

[21:10] <TJTODD> Your welcome Lori!

[21:10] <HostBob> yes, Gran - it's only the mercy and patience of God that have allowed us to approach Him

[21:10] <lori-VHL> 2Amen, Bob, "one flock!"

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob and of course non of them were Christians just gave us a bad name

[21:10] <HostBob> yes, Gran

[21:11] <Kathy-VHL> 2thats right and because of their rejection of Him we have been given the Gospel I love the Isralie people tooo necause they are the reason we are able to have the chance

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 6God gave us a good word when he told us to pray for the peace of Jerusalem His peace

[21:12] <TJTODD> you guys should study the roots of christianity.

[21:12] <HostBob> Amen! God chose Abraham to "bless the nations" and he certainly has! :)

[21:12] <MHRocky-VHL> Hi Kathy

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 6very true Kathy

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[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 6I would love to TJ

[21:12] <lori-VHL> 2RIGHT ON , TJ!!!

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[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 6what do you recommend

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[21:12] <Kathy-VHL> 2Hi Rocky

[21:12] <TJTODD> thanks Lori !

[21:12] <Rebel43-VHL> The Torah

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 6or I should say who

[21:13] <HostBob> Yes, that's one of my "pet peeves" - they way most "gentile" churches totally ignore the Jewish roots of our faith

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> 6I do wish i could get a copy

[21:13] <lori-VHL> 2I started off in a book titled "The Book of DAys" in the local library. VERY ENLIGHTENING!!!

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[21:13] <christy50-VHL> 5gotta go..blessing to you all...

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> 6I thank God that no church I have belonged to has done that just the opposite

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[21:13] <HostBob> The best way, of course, is to read the whole Bible and see how it all fits together, God's grand plan

[21:14] <lori-VHL> 2THen I started looking up all of our holidays. That one is scary!

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 6we love Israel

[21:14] <TJTODD> Gran just go to search and type in roots of christianity.

[21:14] <Kathy-VHL> 2there is a good www cite on that

[21:14] <TJTODD> Right on Lori!!!!

[21:14] <HostBob> Yes, there are some very good web sites on that subject

[21:14] <MHRocky-VHL> what is it kathy

[21:14] <Kathy-VHL> 2restoration ministries

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 6thanks TJ and Kathy

[21:14] <HostBob> Yes, Kathy, I just found that one the other day - looks good!

[21:15] <Rebel43-VHL> try 6001,com too.

[21:15] <Kathy-VHL> 2Lots of things we need to learn

[21:15] <TJTODD> Hey guys study about Emperor Constantine, and the Roman Catholic.

[21:16] <Kathy-VHL> 2when I read about fringes on garments made me want to pur fringe on my skirt lol

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 6I have been saved for 52 years but still have so much to learn

[21:16] <MHRocky-VHL> OK all I have to get going

[21:16] <HostBob> Another news tidbit from today - from Arutz Sheva:

[21:16] <HostBob> The Jewish Community of Hevron is celebrating the 32nd anniversary of its renewal tonight, in a gala celebration in Jerusalem. Prime Minister Barak sent his blessings last week, in which he stated, "The right of Jews to live in serenity in the City of the Patriarchs is unshakable" - earning him wrath and strong criticism from Peace Now.

[21:16] <HostBob> Hey Mark, thanks for much for joining us!!!

[21:16] <TJTODD> Gran, don't we all !!!!

[21:16] <HostBob> Great to talk to you again!

[21:16] <Gran-VHL> 6well we sure do but you know many say not them

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[21:17] <Kathy-VHL> 2gee I learn something new about God everyday

[21:17] <lori-VHL> 2May we never stop learning, Gran!

[21:17] <Gran-VHL> 6I wish that Netanyaho (sp) was still PM

[21:17] <Kathy-VHL> 2amen

[21:17] <Gran-VHL> 6amen

[21:17] <HostBob> Interesting, isn't it, that Barak could simply say something like "the Jews have a right to live in Hebron" and it causes such a stink?

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 6interesting and very sad\

[21:18] <HostBob> Hebron, is, of course, where Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are buried

[21:18] <Kathy-VHL> 2Well the old devill is mad just plain mad

[21:18] <HostBob> Yes

[21:18] <Gran-VHL> 6yes amen

[21:18] <Rebel43-VHL> Don't forget the real fight is with principalities and powers of darkness. G_D chooses whom he will to place in power for his own purposes.

[21:18] <Kathy-VHL> 2and he is going to rile people up more and more

[21:19] <HostBob> Yes, Rebel - God's purposes will prevail

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 6does anyone get the mag. Midnight Call

[21:19] <Kathy-VHL> 2we have to keep in mind that we dont fight flesh and blood too

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 6very interesting and all pro Israel

[21:19] <Kathy-VHL> 2we have to pray for the enemy

[21:19] <TJTODD> no Gran, how do you get it?

[21:19] <Rebel43-VHL> Ultimately it matters very little what person is the Prime Minister.

[21:19] <Gran-VHL> 6yes kathy that is so hard to remember to do

[21:19] <HostBob> "The anger of the LORD will not turn back Until He has performed and carried out the purposes of His heart; In the last days you will clearly understand it. (Jeremiah 23:20 NASB)

[21:20] <HostBob> The LORD foils the plans of the nations; he thwarts the purposes of the peoples. But the plans of the LORD stand firm forever, the purposes of his heart through all generations. (Psalms 33:10-11 NIV)

[21:20] <Kathy-VHL> 2When we bless our enemy God turns their cursings back on them

[21:20] <Gran-VHL> 6Po Box 280008 Columbia, SC 29228

[21:21] <Kathy-VHL> 2are you in SC gran

[21:21] <Rebel43-VHL> exactly Bob.

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> 6Us sub. is $28.95 it comes monthly

[21:21] <Gran-VHL> 6no GA

[21:22] <Kathy-VHL> 2Im in sc

[21:22] <TJTODD> Thanks Gran, I have a sister that lives is columbia s c.

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 6I used to live in SC but havae been here since 91

[21:22] <HostBob> Once more a remnant of the house of Judah will take root below and bear fruit above. For out of Jerusalem will come a remnant, and out of Mount Zion a band of survivors. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this. (Isaiah 37:31-32 NIV)

[21:22] <Gran-VHL> 6I lived near Myrtle Beach

[21:23] <lori-VHL> 2Go on, Bob!

[21:23] <TJTODD> Also I have a sister in Ga.

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 6small world huh?

[21:23] <HostBob> This is what the LORD says: "Maintain justice and do what is right, for my salvation is close at hand and my righteousness will soon be revealed. (Isaiah 56:1 NIV)

[21:23] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob will write that verse down

[21:23] <TJTODD> yes it is Gran.

[21:24] <Rebel43-VHL> In 1948 the Jews were re-established in the Holy Land. In the 1967 war she spread her branches and bore fruit. I love to watch prophecy come true.

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 6amen rebel

[21:24] <Gran-VHL> 6it gets very exciting

[21:24] <EZGuest281> Hi, everybody. I'm new here. Can anybody recommend some good sites for the latest prophecy news?

[21:24] <HostBob> Yes, it's exciting to see the Lord's plans taking shape!

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> 6I read all I can find about the building of the state of Israel in 1948

[21:25] <Kathy-VHL> 2The battles that Israel win will be great and mightyand it will be known that God did it too .

[21:25] <HostBob> Yes, 281...

[21:25] <TJTODD> right on Kathy !

[21:25] <Gran-VHL> 6it seems that no one involved in all that mess there read the bible

[21:25] <HostBob> for news on a variety of topics... http://www.jvim.com/cgi-bin/update.cgi

[21:25] <HostBob> also www.prophecytoday.com is good

[21:26] <HostBob> and www.worthynews.com

[21:26] <HostBob> and of course Virtual Holyland :)

[21:26] <Kathy-VHL> 2I think God is going to show his hand in mighty ways and people can just sit back and watch and still win because it will be of His strength and His might

[21:26] <TJTODD> thanks Bob!

[21:27] <HostBob> and this one has links to a number of sites: http://www.bible-prophecy.com/

[21:27] <EZGuest281> Thanks for the info.

[21:27] <HostBob> Yes, Kathy!!!!!

[21:27] <Rebel43-VHL> Also try: Prophecy starting point, & Countdown to the 7th Millenium,

[21:27] <Gran-VHL> 6Hey all of you please be praying for west SC and East GA as weather radio keeps coming on warning of tornadoes and flooding

[21:27] <lori-VHL> 2Oh yes, Bob, can't forget VH! ( I haven't figured out the smileys yet :-( )

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[21:28] <Gran-VHL> 6the Lord has really bless our area as we have only had one tornado since i moved here in 93

[21:28] <Kathy-VHL> 2thanks Gran I need to turn on the weather Im in West Sc

[21:28] <Rebel43-VHL> I'm in Fort Worth Texas, Storms were here last week too.

[21:28] <HostBob> Kathy, that's what the familiar verse: "Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth." is about - look at the context - in the chaos of God's judgments on the earth (Psalm 46)

[21:28] <Gran-VHL> 6oh yes Ft Worth that was terrrible

[21:28] <HostBob> The LORD Almighty is with us; the God of Jacob is our fortress. Selah (Psalms 46:11 NIV)

[21:28] <lori-VHL> 2Oh, guess I just figured them out :-)

[21:28] <TJTODD> I'll be praying for you Gran & everyone down there.

[21:29] <Gran-VHL> 6thanks TJ many folks here do not know HIM

[21:29] <HostBob> Looks like it, Lori! :) :) :)

[21:29] <Gran-VHL> 6but there are a lot of Christians here and they know how to pray

[21:29] <EZGuest281> Rebel43, I'm in Vernon, Texas, about three hours west of Fort Worth. Heard about y'all's trouble. Thank the Lord it wasn't worse.

[21:29] <Kathy-VHL> 2right Bob but I sure wish Israel would just trust God to do what He prommised them and stand firm

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 6so right Kathy

[21:30] <Rebel43-VHL> TY EZ

[21:30] <HostBob> I know, but eventually they will

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 6too many non relilgious ones there

[21:30] <Kathy-VHL> 2I dont what to see them give up anything I wnat them to stand up and say just try lol

[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 6thank God we have read the end of the Book

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[21:30] <Gran-VHL> 6thats what I wish kathy

[21:31] <Kathy-VHL> 2thats right Gran

[21:31] <HostBob> According to God's promise: ""'For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

[21:31] <HostBob> It's a done deal :)

[21:31] <Kathy-VHL> 2sure is

[21:31] <TJTODD> I read that today Bob!

[21:31] <HostBob> :)

[21:31] <Gran-VHL> 6amen Bob and that is what is so strange that so many came there but do not seem to believe

[21:32] <lori-VHL> 2Praise the Lord!! That sounds so good, Bob!!

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> 6and more on the way

[21:32] <Rebel43-VHL> They do believe.

[21:32] <HostBob> The veil that Paul spoke of is still there, but it is slowly being lifted

[21:32] <Gran-VHL> 6I am concerned about new laws they want to pass which could stop Christianity there

[21:32] <Rebel43-VHL> You have to look at it from their perspective.

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 6many on the Knessit do not seem to by the laws they want to pass

[21:33] <Rebel43-VHL> I alluded to it earlier, there is a sign between God and His People that is a sign forever.

[21:33] <Gran-VHL> 6they just do not believe that we mean them well and just feel threatened

[21:34] <TJTODD> Gran, study christianity and you'll see why they want to pass new laws .

[21:34] <Kathy-VHL> 2we dont need to be concerned about any thing God has spoken it and nothing will change it we just need to be listening to what God tells us to be and do

[21:34] <Rebel43-VHL> That sign is the Sabbath.

[21:34] <Gran-VHL> 6I know you are both right but it hurts to know what will happen over there

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[21:35] <Gran-VHL> 6the Sabbath rebel how is that

[21:35] <Rebel43-VHL> So called Christians come in and tell them that the Lord's day is Sunday, the venerable day of the sun.

[21:35] <Gran-VHL> 6fill me in

[21:35] <TJTODD> I don't think I like being branded as a christian, I think I would rather be branded as a Believer in Yeshua !

[21:35] <Gran-VHL> 6yes TJ me to

[21:36] <Kathy-VHL> 2Yes it does hurt and my heart aches for them but it is done and we need to be sure we are folowing

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[21:36] <Rebel43-VHL> Therefore they are very suspicious.

[21:36] <Kathy-VHL> 2Gods will for our own lives andf

[21:36] <Gran-VHL> 6Rebel that has been a bone of contension for a long time even with Christians

[21:36] <TJTODD> right on Rebel !

[21:36] <Kathy-VHL> 2for our part in Israels future

[21:36] <lori-VHL> 2Right on, Rebel! Where did Sunday Sabbath come from!?

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[21:37] <TJTODD> you knowdon't you Lori?

[21:37] <Rebel43-VHL> Constantine. Roman Pagan, 321 A>D>

[21:37] <Gran-VHL> 6He rose on the third day which was Sunday

[21:37] <lori-VHL> 2Hey, TJ! Your stealing my lines:-)

[21:37] <TJTODD> Sorry Lori !!!!

[21:37] <HostBob> From what I see in the NT, the Christians were not directed to worship on any certain day

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[21:38] <Rebel43-VHL> Read the Gospel accounts Gran. When they came to the tomb early on the first day of the week he was already risen and gone. He arose on the Sabbath.

[21:38] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob

[21:38] <Kathy-VHL> 2right Bob they were to fellowship regularly

[21:38] <Gran-VHL> 6I believe that we aare to worship Him every day

[21:38] <EZGuest419> 61000 yrs is but a day and a day is but 1000 years ............

[21:38] <lori-VHL> 2Right again, Rebel. TJ, that's ok!! It is great knowing there is others that realize that too!!

[21:38] <Gran-VHL> 6and if we get together than the day does not matter

[21:38] <TJTODD> Come on Bob, they went to the Synagouge on the Sabbath ! which is Saturday.

[21:39] <Rebel43-VHL> Bob, Jesus himself said I am the Lord of the Sabbath. He said it three times.

[21:39] <Gran-VHL> 6so did Jesus

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[21:39] <Gran-VHL> 6but we do not have thaat Law

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[21:39] <HostBob> Yes, He did Rebel

[21:39] <EZGuest419> 6what does God (our father ) say about Jerusalem ?????

[21:39] <Rebel43-VHL> Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles. Kept the Sabbath. "As was his Custom."

[21:39] <Kathy-VHL> 2Does anyone know of any time that Jesus went to the syn after He began His minstry

[21:40] <TJTODD> I agree Rebel !

[21:40] <lori-VHL> 2TJ is right Bob. The Sabbath is one of the 10 commandment! God created the Sabbath after creating the world in 7 days & made it an everlasting covenant between him & his people.

[21:40] <HostBob> But I am not Jewish, rebel

[21:40] <Gran-VHL> 6after He left here he sent us the Holy Spirit which I believe gave us Sunday to celebrate His Resurrection

[21:40] <EZGuest419> 6..Look see ....free at last ...free at last... thank God allmighty i am free at last .....from the bondage of mens religions .....filthy churches ...lies... tithes and 1000 corrupted bibles ...only through his blessed son Jesus..the very TRUTH of God (only)

[21:40] <Rebel43-VHL> What is the Law. It is the definition of Sin. By definition sin is breaking the law. If there is no law there is no sin. Who needs grace if you did nothing wrong.

[21:40] <bayoumama-VHL> Amen, to the Sabbath:-)

[21:41] <Gran-VHL> 6we all have sin in our hearts

[21:41] <Rebel43-VHL> you got EZ.

[21:41] <Gran-VHL> 6even if we do not act out the siin

[21:41] <Rebel43-VHL> That the law was done away with is a flat out lie of the Devil.

[21:41] <EZGuest419> 6let your soul breath free in the nourishment ...of the truth of God ...through Jesus only .....

[21:41] <TJTODD> Sunday was given to us Gran from Emperor Constantine. He worshipped the sungod.

[21:41] <HostBob> Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17 NIV)

[21:42] <Gran-VHL> 6well all it has been great but I need to leave have another chat room at 10 need to take a break

[21:42] <HostBob> Bye Gran!

[21:42] <TJTODD> Bye Gran

[21:42] <Rebel43-VHL> G_D said I change not. Yesterday, Today and Forever. Do you actually think he would change the TEN Commandments. When it was he himself who wrote them with his own finger in stone.

[21:42] <Gran-VHL> 6I know that he called the day sunday but i am talking about the Lord rising on the day followiing the Sabboth

[21:42] <lori-VHL> 2Again, I agree with you Rebel. Jesus did "fulfill" the laws. Nothing says he changed them! In fact, baptism was one of those laws & Jesus went to John the Baptist to be baptised under the law

[21:43] <HostBob> Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. (Romans 14:5 NIV)

[21:43] <Rebel43-VHL> right Lori.

[21:43] <TJTODD> Rebel you don't sound like a Rebel !!!!!!

[21:43] <Gran-VHL> 6bye all God Bless hope to be back next week

[21:43] <EZGuest419> 6Original Word ...1527 Let no man therefore trouble your consciences about meat and drink or for a piece of an holy day, as the holy day of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days, which are nothing but shadows of things to come: but the body is in Christ.

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[21:44] <Rebel43-VHL> If you love me Keep my Commandmendts. "The whole duty of man is to fear God and Keep his Commandments.

[21:44] <bayoumama-VHL> How do you get 3 days and 3 nights that Jesus said he would be in the heart of the earth from Friday evening until sunday morning?

[21:44] <HostBob> Original word?

[21:44] <Rebel43-VHL> Can't do it Bayou. Thanks for reminding me.

[21:45] <EZGuest419> 6host ...yup ...wanna see it ?

[21:45] <HostBob> See what?

[21:46] <EZGuest419> 6Original Word ...1527

[21:46] <Rebel43-VHL> Read Matthew 5:17. "Think not that I have come to change the law or the prophets, I have not come to change but to fulfill. Until heaven and Earth Pass away, Not one jot, not one tittle in no wise shall pass from the Law."

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[21:46] <Rebel43-VHL> Heaven and Earth are still here and so are God's Commandments.

[21:46] <lori-VHL> 2Again, if you run out the origins of christianity, you will see why the sunday sabbeth came to be & it really wasn't to do with Jesus' resurection. It was between the catholic church & the emperor.

[21:47] <HostBob> OK, well, this is not really the forum for a Sabbath day debate - I'm sure there are other appropriate places to discuss it

[21:47] <Rivkah-VHL> 6shalom fellow seekers of truth

[21:47] <Kathy-VHL> 2have to go all sure enjoyed the chat God Bless you all

[21:47] <TJTODD> Right on Lori !!!!!

[21:47] <HostBob> Shalom, Rivkah!

[21:47] <EZGuest419> 6Let no man make you shoot at a wrong mark which after his own imagination walketh in the humbleness and holiness of angels, things which he never saw: causeless puffed up with his fleshly mind, and holdeth not the head, whereof all the body by joints and couples receiveth nourishment and is knit together, and increaseth with the increasing that cometh of God.

[21:47] <Rebel43-VHL> Right on Lori.

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[21:47] <bayoumama-VHL> there were 2 laws- the Mosiac law and the Ten Commandment law, Jesus did away with the Mosiac law of sacrificies and etc., not the Ten Commandment Law.:-)

[21:47] <Rivkah-VHL> 6what prophecy are we discussing

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[21:47] <Rebel43-VHL> That's why the Jews don't trust the Sunday keeping christians. They consider them pagans, and for a very good reason.

[21:47] <lori-VHL> 2Sorry Bob. Hot topic, huh:-)

[21:48] <HostBob> We are in between, Rivjak - do you have a suggestion?

[21:48] <EZGuest419> 6Lord HIMSELF gave me this dream...look see >>>4 Of the season of man6 " I said "yes Lord all things even the waters have seasons." ... to this he asked " why then do you think man will not have a season"? www.godstruthtous.com/notes/seasonofman.htm

[21:48] <Rebel43-VHL> Exactly Bayou Mama.

[21:48] <Rivkah-VHL> 6well, what have you been discussing before i came in?

[21:48] <TJTODD> I agree with you Rebel !!!!

[21:48] <HostBob> We were discussing the Sabbath

[21:49] <HostBob> but I would prefer if we got back on the main purpose of this room

[21:49] <Rivkah-VHL> 6ok what about it? the true sabbath that YHVH set forth or the one constanitine set up?

[21:49] <HostBob> Did you have a topic of interest, Rivkah?

[21:49] <lori-VHL> 2Me too, Rebel! And it does all start there, on the 7th day.

[21:49] <Rebel43-VHL> God's calendar was changed exactly as prophesied in Daniel. God's year starts in the month of Abib-Barley which is in the Spring. The Pagan Calendar starts in the middle of winter solstice.

[21:49] <TJTODD> what do you want to talk about Bob?

[21:50] <EZGuest419> 6Lord HIMSELF gave me this dream ..look see >>> Of the religions of men ...Then I was taken to a special place in Hell and shown the works of faith therein. There appeared a similitude of a church...yet it had no roof and no walls ...all appeared as filthy and stinking with dung and money mixed together everywhere... www.godstruthtous.com/notes/religion.htm

[21:50] <Rivkah-VHL> 6happy new year everyone this is the 1st of Abib!

[21:50] <HostBob> Happy New Year! :)

[21:50] <Rebel43-VHL> The Sabbath and the annual High Holy Sabbaths are a shadow of things to come. You cannot possibly understand prophecy without understanding the Sabbaths.

[21:51] <Rivkah-VHL> 6amin, rebel!

[21:51] <HostBob> OK, Rebel, tell us some of the prophetic implications

[21:51] <TJTODD> the Jewish new year is at the feasts of trumpets!

[21:51] <lori-VHL> 2Amen, Rebel! :-)

[21:51] <Rivkah-VHL> 6i got a great teaching today on how Yahshua started his ministry here on earth during the 7th year sabbatical

[21:51] <EZGuest419> 6you guys might be debating religious doctrine ...when the Lord comes ...:-p

[21:52] <Rebel43-VHL> Couple of examples. The Messiah fulfilled the Spring feasts with his first coming. He was sacrificed at exactly the same time the Passover lambs were being sacrificed. He died on the eve of that Annual Sabbath called the Passover.

[21:52] <TJTODD> Rivkah, tell us where

[21:52] <Rivkah-VHL> 6actually, that practice of rosh hashanah being the jewish new year is pagan in origin

[21:53] <Rivkah-VHL> 6the correct term for that feast is yom teruvah

[21:53] <Rebel43-VHL> Rivkah, right on. The Jewish new Year begins with the month of Abib-Barley.

[21:53] <Rivkah-VHL> 6feast of trumpets

[21:53] <TJTODD> Right on Rebel !!!

[21:53] <EZGuest419> 6one of 4satans 6most wretched works is done by man-ipulating the WORD of God ...that is plainly having men ...by their own high and mighty scholiarshit ...(works of the antichrist) change the recorded word to his own fashion ... 4 Why else would you have 1000's of diverse bibles ?????6 Look see the Truth of God www.godstruthtous.com

[21:53] <Rebel43-VHL> Right on EZ.

[21:54] <Rivkah-VHL> 6again amin!

[21:54] <HostBob> 419, lay off of it or you will get tossed out

[21:54] <EZGuest419> 6:-*

[21:54] <Rebel43-VHL> The second coming of the Messiah will fulfill the fall feasts.

[21:54] <EZGuest419> 6why BOB ????

[21:55] <TJTODD> right on Rebel!!!

[21:55] <Rivkah-VHL> 6yes, rebel ,you are so right! so why don't the christian churches see that

[21:55] <HostBob> Yes, Rebel - expound on that, please

[21:55] <EZGuest419> 6Jeus IS here NOW in the spirit ....:-)

[21:55] <Rebel43-VHL> Yes he is here in Spirit, But just as surely as we saw him go he will return.

[21:55] <Rivkah-VHL> 6go with it rebel, you are right

[21:56] <EZGuest419> 6fact is ...Man has put his hand to the WORD of God ... This is to say plainly that the "revisionists" did rewrite these "1000's of Biles" to their own thinking and believing. Religions..churches...doctrines of men ...from the 1611 kjv to the most recent millium bile ..

[21:56] <Rivkah-VHL> 6he had to leave so the ruach could come and lead us into all truth

[21:56] <TJTODD> the christian churches don't know anything about the jewish roots, that's why they don't see it.

[21:56] <Rebel43-VHL> This is just my opinion. But I think the Mark of the Beast is SUNDAY. It is the sign of the Apostate religion.

[21:57] <Rebel43-VHL> Just like God's sign between he and his people is the Sabbath. Sunday is the sign of the false religion.

[21:57] <Rivkah-VHL> 6Thank you YHVH for bringing me here...i have been banging my head on the wall with others trying to reach them with the truth of YHVH's word not mans

[21:57] <HostBob> Rebel, so you are saying that millions who have faith in Jesus are apostate because they worship on in good conscience on Sunday? unbelievable

[21:57] <EZGuest419> 64ASK YOURSELF THIS VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION 6>>>4Who 6added the the word 4"church",6 to the NT 4796 times in your bibles ....4and why ?6....,4 Who 6took the warnings against building a 4"church" out 6of the OT and NT ? ...and why ?

[21:57] <lori-VHL> 2I could agree with you, EZ, accept when you study the Bible Prophecy one can plainly see who & what has changed dates, times, etc and mingled with all men. And this is the very ones that "revised" the Bible! Figure that one!

[21:57] <Rivkah-VHL> 6way to go rebel! it's true every word you are saying

[21:57] <EZGuest419> 6thats 79 times to your bibles of men ......:-p

[21:58] <Rebel43-VHL> Let the Bible answer that Bod. "In vain do they worship me teaching for doctrines the Commandments of men."

[21:58] <HostBob> OK, Rebel, I go to church on Sunday - are you telling me I don't know the Lord?

[21:59] <Rivkah-VHL> 6knowing and keeping YHVH's sabbath is his mark on his followers

[21:59] <Rebel43-VHL> No sir, I'm telling you you have been deceived by the most clever religionist of all, Satan.

[21:59] <TJTODD> the word says to study to shew thyself approved a workman that needed not to be ashamed !

[21:59] <Rivkah-VHL> 6he's right bob, i'm sorry to say

[21:59] <EZGuest419> 6TRUE WORD>>>The Lord will have no pleasure therin: but will remember their wickednesses, and punish their sins. Israel turneth again into Egypt, 4they have forgotten him that made them, they build churches,6 and Juda maketh many strong cities: therefore will I send a fire into their cities, and it shall consume their places. Oseas (thats Hosea chp 8 :14 for you kjv folks)

[22:00] <Rivkah-VHL> 6but there are millions who are fooled i was one of them too

[22:00] <HostBob> Unbelievable

[22:00] <TJTODD> Rebel, are you a preacher ?

[22:00] <Rivkah-VHL> 6i was called out of babylon not too long ago

[22:00] <EZGuest419> 6Original Word >>>Then Jupiters priest, which dwelt before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the church porch, and would have done sacrifice with the people....4refering to a church as a pagan temple

[22:00] <Rebel43-VHL> Wide is the path that leads to destruction. The very fact that millions of professing Christians keep the venerable day of the sun and refuse to keeep God's commandments is absolute proof.

[22:00] <TJTODD> Me too Rikah !!!

[22:01] <HostBob> Well, since you are having a cozy little heresy party, I'll leave you alone to chat amongst youselves

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