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[19:36] <VCI-Stan> well, after a mad dash across the Kidron Valley at 0900 yesterday morning, which nearly gave me an asthma attack...

[19:36] <VH-SongofZion> Well, the Lord showed me quite a few years ago, then I couldn't find the scriputure last night.

[19:36] <VH-SongofZion> hehheheh.. you are funny Stan.

[19:36] <VCI-Stan> and making my way through the tight security cordon around the Old City

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[19:36] <VH-SongofZion> Hi, Caleb, how are you.

[19:36] <VH-SongofZion> Really you were in Israel, I want to go so much.

[19:36] <HostBob> Welcome Caleb and Wave! Shalom!

[19:37] <VH-caleb> very good

[19:37] <VH-wave> hey guys, what's up?

[19:37] <VH-SongofZion> I am a girl, hehhehe.. but thanks.

[19:37] <VCI-Stan> I found a perch atop one of the yeshivot (Jewish study centers) across from the Temple Mount

[19:37] <HostBob> We're doing great here!

[19:37] <VH-SongofZion> You did, woww..

[19:37] <HostBob> how far away, Stan?

[19:37] <VH-wave> i'm glad, "the peace that passesall understanding"

[19:37] <VCI-Stan> and settled down with my wife's old USSR military issue field glasses to await his "holiness"

[19:37] <VH-caleb> from where are you

[19:38] <VH-SongofZion> So did they shake hands, they have defiled this place.

[19:38] <VCI-Stan> bob-about 300 yards

[19:38] <HostBob> I'm from Tampa, but in NJ now

[19:38] <VH-wave> i'm from NJ too

[19:38] <VH-SongofZion> I am in NY.

[19:38] <VH-wave> at least i live here now

[19:38] <VH-caleb> i am from curacao

[19:38] <VH-SongofZion> wow.. another NJ person.

[19:38] <VCI-Stan> i have to say that the Temple Mount meeting was almost a non-event

[19:38] <VH-SongofZion> Venezuela?

[19:38] <HostBob> Were they flying Palestinian flags there on the mount? The news reports didn't mention it

[19:38] <VH-wave> yeah, don't say that too loudly

[19:38] <VH-wave> j/.k

[19:39] <VH-caleb> nex venezuela

[19:39] <VH-SongofZion> Stan, it is so prophetic, that the Lord woke me up to have me search the scriptures.

[19:39] <VCI-Stan> the israeli security people had put a lot of pressure on to keep the Palstinian Authority

[19:39] <VH-wave> i think this land for peace thing is messed up

[19:39] <HostBob> I'm in a hotel near Giants Stadium, Wave

[19:39] <HostBob> Yes, it's very messed up, Wave

[19:39] <VH-SongofZion> The world did not notice, what had been spoken of thousands of years before.

[19:39] <VCI-Stan> away, and in the end it was "only" the Muslim Waqf authorities that were there to welcome John Paul II

[19:39] <VH-wave> You watched a game?>

[19:39] <HostBob> Nope - here on business

[19:39] <VH-SongofZion> Tell me, did they shake hands, I saw that in the prophetic vision of mine, long time ago.

[19:40] <VH-wave> that's a little tough

[19:40] <VCI-Stan> Not that JP would have been disappointed

[19:40] <HostBob> Only huh - the Mufti and Feisal Husseini, right?

[19:40] <VH-SongofZion> You guys are not answering me, did they shake hands, Arafat and the Pope?

[19:40] <VCI-Stan> he got an earful of Muslim ranting against Israel

[19:41] <HostBob> Yes, I read some of that, Stan

[19:41] <VCI-Stan> Songof-Arafat wasn't there

[19:41] <VCI-Stan> not on teh Temple Mount, that is

[19:41] <VCI-Stan> bob-yes, i see you did :-)

[19:41] <VCI-Stan> Feisel Husseini (a PA official) was there in his capacity as one of the Islamic TRust members

[19:42] <VH-SongofZion> Oh, I heard he was, who was there for the meeting.

[19:42] <HostBob> For those of you who may not be familiar

[19:42] <VCI-Stan> there were no PLO flags on the Mount

[19:42] <VH-SongofZion> you are not seeing what I am seeing.

[19:42] <HostBob> The "Mufti" is the head honcho Muslim in Jerusalem, religious leader that is

[19:42] <VH-SongofZion> You see they met where the Dome was.. remember where the dome is located?

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[19:43] <VH-wave> i think the pope was a little underhanded in his endorsement of PLO

[19:43] <VCI-Stan> but hundreds, tied to ballons, were released from Silwan (David's ancient Jerusalem)

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[19:43] <VH-SongofZion> He endorsed Arafat....and his friends.. don't you guys see it.

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[19:43] <HostBob> And Feisal Husseni is the top guy in the Old City at their wanna-be embassy

[19:43] <VH-wave> you guys think so too?

[19:43] <VCI-Stan> Songof - Arafat and th ePope met in Bethlehem last week

[19:44] <VH-SongofZion> who met at the Dome site, didn't the pope

[19:44] <VCI-Stan> and yes, he did endorse the Palestinian right to a homeland during that meeting

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[19:44] <HostBob> For political reasons, as Stan said, the Pope had to lay low in his support for the PA

[19:44] <VH-SongofZion> didn';t he go to the Dome?

[19:44] <VCI-Stan> although he did not actually come out and say "Palestine"

[19:44] <HostBob> but his loyalties are clear

[19:44] <VCI-Stan> no songof

[19:44] <VH-semion> hello? anyone here yet?

[19:44] <HostBob> and it's not to Israel

[19:44] <VH-nors> yes

[19:45] <HostBob> Welcome to the newcomers!!!!

[19:45] <VCI-Stan> shalom semion

[19:45] <VCI-Stan> hi elmoe

[19:45] <VH-wave> hey semion

[19:45] <VH-nors> thx

[19:45] <VH-elmoe> hello stan

[19:46] <VH-SongofZion> I must have been seeing another news cast, maybe it was Holy Spirit speaking through my TV, eheehhe

[19:46] <HostBob> It's good to see you all tonight

[19:46] <VH-nors> the Jerusalem Post was pretty prophetic with the big statue of the pope i think

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[19:46] <HostBob> Statue?

[19:46] <VCI-Stan> just a couple of thoughts about the pope before i have to go

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[19:46] <HostBob> Tell us about that

[19:46] <VH-nors> the one they used in the parade...page 7

[19:46] <HostBob> Welcome, Lilly, Dotk!

[19:46] <VH-SongofZion> Yes it is...

[19:46] <HostBob> I didn't see that, nors

[19:47] <VH-dotk> thanks

[19:47] <VH-nors> must have been 15 feet high

[19:47] <VCI-Stan> bob-nors, it was a purim float

[19:47] <VH-lilly> Hi!

[19:47] <VH-nors> yes

[19:47] <VCI-Stan> hi lilly

[19:47] <HostBob> ok

[19:47] <VH-nors> some day he will put up a real one according to prophecy

[19:47] <VH-lilly> real what?

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[19:48] <HostBob> Looks like we've got the beginnings of a good group in here tonight!!

[19:48] <HostBob> Welcome, Crafty!

[19:48] <VH-dotk> statue

[19:48] <VH-nors> a real statue for all to worship according to prophecy\

[19:48] <VH-Craftyk> Hello.

[19:48] <VH-nors> hi

[19:49] <HostBob> This is an open forum, so any Bible-prophecy related subject is open for discussion

[19:49] <VH-nors> anyone know what the note s?

[19:49] <VH-SongofZion> Lets praise HIs Holy Name, and come into the Gates with Thanksgiving.

[19:49] <VH-Craftyk> What country is everyone from?

[19:49] <HostBob> So don't be shy - chime in with your opinions, insights, and questions!

[19:49] <VH-dotk> no

[19:49] <VH-nors> was that the pope put in the wall?

[19:49] <VH-dotk> usa

[19:49] <VH-lilly> USA

[19:49] <VH-Craftyk> Wasn't it his prayer request?

[19:49] <VH-elmoe> US

[19:49] <HostBob> OK, Song, you can lead the praise, for those who wish to join in!

[19:50] <VH-Craftyk> I am from the USA also.

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[19:50] <VH-nors> ya but what did it saY? they said they took it out already

[19:50] <HostBob> A lot of things happening in Israel this week, as you know....

[19:50] <VCI-Stan> made it lamb :-)

[19:50] <VH-SongofZion> :) I love to sing his praises from the Mountain of Zion

[19:50] <HostBob> welcome, Lamb!

[19:50] <VH-Craftyk> I haven't heard.

[19:50] <VH-lamb21> yes....hi

[19:50] <HostBob> Our God is great!

[19:50] <VH-SongofZion> Hi, lamb

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[19:50] <HostBob> (what an understatement!)

[19:51] <VH-lilly> Our God is an Awesome God!

[19:51] <HostBob> Shalom, Rain!

[19:51] <VH-SongofZion> Oh, Yes, He is so Holy

[19:51] <VH-dotk> hi rain

[19:51] <VH-SongofZion> Let the Fire Fall, Lord.

[19:51] <VH-elmoe> hello rain, nice name

[19:51] <VH-lamb21> Praise God

[19:51] <VH-SongofZion> We got the rain the fire, the song, the lamb, here, hehhehe..

[19:51] <HostBob> Tonight, we will be discussing current events in the light of Bible prophecy

[19:51] <VH-elmoe> our GOD reigns

[19:51] <VH-lamb21> cool

[19:51] <VH-lilly> The Former Rain and the Latter Rain Together

[19:51] <VH-Craftyk> very cute

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[19:52] <VH-dotk> He is worthy of all our praise

[19:52] <HostBob> Yes, He is worthy

[19:52] <HostBob> and so merciful and kind to us

[19:52] <VH-Craftyk> Have any of you read the "Left Behind" series by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins?

[19:52] <VH-SongofZion> Let the oil and the rain fall on us oh Lord, for are praise yOU and worship you.

[19:52] <VH-lilly> He Alone is worthy

[19:52] <HostBob> slow to anger, righ in mercy, compassionate

[19:52] <VH-nors> yes the series is very good

[19:52] <VH-SongofZion> Yes, Only He is worthy.

[19:52] <HostBob> I have not, have you, Crafty?

[19:52] <VH-nors> the film was good too...apocolyps

[19:52] <VH-lilly> I have not'

[19:53] <HostBob> It seems that those books have impacted a lot of people

[19:53] <VH-Craftyk> Yes, I have read all six to date, and am waiting for the release of the 7th book.

[19:53] <VH-nors> it is speculative on the end time events

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[19:53] <VH-nors> there is a 7th coming?

[19:53] <VH-lamb21> i have been working

[19:53] <HostBob> Welcome, Covenant!

[19:53] <VH-lilly> Is it more exciting to read or to walk daily with the Lord?

[19:53] <HostBob> What do you mean, Lilly?

[19:53] <VH-Craftyk> Yes, there are suppose to be 12 in the series. The 7th is to be released on May 23!

[19:53] <VH-lamb21> so i haven't been able stay up o date

[19:54] <VH-lamb21> on prophecies

[19:54] <VH-SongofZion> Amen, Lilly, I second that one.. To led his Holy Spirit lead us, He does lead us if we will listen.

[19:54] <VH-lilly> Well, sometimes I think it takes so much of our time and emotions to read and not live it

[19:54] <VH-lamb21> what has been going on?

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[19:54] <HostBob> True, Lilly, but my impression on the books is that they are being used...

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[19:55] <VH-Craftyk> I found that the series helps me to understand prophecy better.

[19:55] <HostBob> to perhaps wake up or shake up people who need to hear the message

[19:55] <VH-lilly> I guess I'm looking for balance

[19:55] <HostBob> Welcome, Ariel, Clint

[19:55] <HostBob> I have not read them, however

[19:55] <HostBob> I agree, Lilly, only reading and no "doing" is unbalanced

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[19:55] <HostBob> Hello, Hope!

[19:55] <VH-lamb21> have any of u read End Time Events?

[19:56] <VH-Craftyk> Many non-believers have read the books and have since found the Lord.

[19:56] <HostBob> Well, folks... you may have heard of the meeting yesterday....

[19:56] <HostBob> Between Clinton and Assad?

[19:56] <VH-lilly> I'm not against books but I find I have been pulled away from so much reading and finding there is so much ministry to needy I was missing

[19:56] <HostBob> Assad is the Prime Minister of Syria

[19:57] <VH-Craftyk> What happened at the meeting?

[19:57] <HostBob> I saw a picture of the meeting, and he certainly looked frail (Assad)

[19:57] <HostBob> It was an attempt by Clinton...

[19:57] <HostBob> to get the Israel/Syria talks back on track

[19:57] <VH-lamb21> To do what?

[19:57] <HostBob> however it was a "failure" :)

[19:57] <VH-lilly> Who's track?

[19:58] <HostBob> Yes, exactly, Lilly

[19:58] <VH-Ariel> They warned us it would be a failure the night before, right?

[19:58] <VH-lilly> What do you think God's track is?

[19:58] <VH-covenant> Does anyone really understand what Clinton seeks in the Middle East??

[19:58] <HostBob> Syria is asking Israel to give up land which it would be very foolish to relinquish

[19:58] <VH-rain> There is much concern about the people who will take over after the deaths of those heads of Middle East countries like Syria - & there was concern when King Hussein was so ill and had left his brother in charge

[19:58] <HostBob> What do you think, folks, about Covenant's question?

[19:58] <VH-Clint> Why is it so important to Clinton (other than his own presidency)?

[19:58] <HostBob> What is the answer?

[19:58] <VH-nors> i don't be believe that clinton can possible be the man to get the peace accord together. It has to be someone a lot more powerful that he is

[19:58] <VH-Ariel> Have you noticed that Clinton seems to be less pushy in the Middle East

[19:59] <VH-Ariel> since Hillary started running for Senator in New York?

[19:59] <HostBob> I think, Ariel, regarding Syria, that Clinton and Co. are realizing just how unreasonable Assad is

[19:59] <VH-rain> I see Clinton wanting to "bring peace to the whole world"!

[19:59] <VH-nors> i think clinton wants to be the hero but i don't think he can do this one

[19:59] <VH-Craftyk> I don't think Clinton will have a part in this, but I do believe the USA will be a major factor in the "peace" process.

[20:00] <VH-lamb21> I agree

[20:00] <HostBob> Yes, many commentators feel that Clinton is only trying to polish his

[20:00] <HostBob> "legacy"

[20:00] <HostBob> However... from a Biblical perspective...

[20:00] <VH-covenant> The problem is Clinton is not concerned with doing what is right but what is best for his image.

[20:00] <VH-nors> i don't agree. I think the leader of the peace pact has to come out of Europe and Rome in particular

[20:00] <HostBob> I believe that the Scriptures indicate a future war with Syria will take place

[20:00] <VH-lamb21> That is true

[20:00] <VH-hope> If Clinton doesn't accomplish this in his remaining 10 months, couldn't he just present an Executive order and stay in office?

[20:00] <VH-Clint> I may be wrong but I believe that Clinton will have a future role in the middle east. Even after his presidency. What do you think?

[20:01] <HostBob> during which Damascus will be destroyed (Isaiah 17)

[20:01] <VH-Ariel> What roll will he have, Clint?

[20:01] <HostBob> Hard to say, Clint! That would be unprecedented

[20:01] <VH-nors> clinton has to prove a national disaster to do the executive order and that is not a national one

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[20:02] <VH-lamb21> Where do you think the antichrist is coming from?(country)

[20:02] <VH-nors> Europe

[20:02] <VH-Clint> I'm not sure, but he is terribly persuasive.

[20:02] <HostBob> It seems to be now that there will be no "peace treaty" with Syria, at least the prospects of that are dim

[20:02] <VH-Ariel> I keep thinking of how LaHay and Jenkins brought in a world leader through th

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[20:03] <VH-lamb21> Why Europe

[20:03] <VH-hope> Isn't there any chance that the Anti Christ may possibly be Putin?

[20:03] <VH-Ariel> through the United Nations. With Hillary in New York Clinton is

[20:03] <VH-Craftyk> I have read different accounts and I believe he may come out of the former Yugoslavia

[20:03] <VH-Ariel> close to the UN headquarters.

[20:03] <HostBob> Are there Bible prophecies that indicate from where the Antichrist will be?

[20:03] <VH-nors> the accord was signed in norway and it never was said who was involved in that but it was not clinton. we are waiting for that accord to be affirmed

[20:03] <VH-lamb21> Who is Putin

[20:03] <VH-Clint> Clinton has let it be known that he desires to be the Sec. Gen of the UN

[20:04] <HostBob> Putin is the new leader of Russia

[20:04] <VH-nors> ariel just keep typing it goes onto another line

[20:04] <VH-hope> Isn't he supposed to come from a country north of Israel?

[20:04] <VH-Ariel> Interesting!

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[20:04] <VH-rain> President Clinton is not going to give up his position of power easily - he has too many connections - he and Blair are college buddies and other people with Masonic connections

[20:04] <HostBob> Welcome to the newcomers, and feel free to join in!!!

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[20:04] <VH-lamb21> I always thought that he would come out of Russia

[20:04] <VH-mytaniece> I believe the antichrist must be a Jewish person. He must be accepted by the jews in order to get into their good graces and sit in the temple

[20:05] <HostBob> And feel free to open discussions on other topics as well!

[20:05] <VH-nors> not russia for sure

[20:05] <VH-Craftyk> Many believe that Russia will invade Israel

[20:05] <VH-covenant> Do you believe Putin is the one that will start Russia's ending per Rev.?

[20:05] <VH-nors> yes russia will invade Israel but that will be afster the antichrist is around and he is not from russia

[20:05] <VH-Craftyk> Maybe

[20:05] <HostBob> Mytan, my impression from the prophecies is that he will not be invited into the Temple, but will force his way in

[20:06] <VH-lamb21> Why do some people think he will come out of Rome

[20:06] <VH-hope> The false prophet will come out of Rome

[20:06] <VH-hope> The city that is known for the 7 hills

[20:06] <HostBob> OK, what is everyone's opinion on Covenant's question? Could Putin be the one?

[20:06] <VH-nors> i believe he will come out of the old roman empire and that means rome\

[20:06] <VH-Ariel> Is it because of the toes on the statue that some believe is the Roman empire

[20:06] <VH-Craftyk> Because Rome is the only major city surrounded by seven mountains.

[20:07] <VH-nors> no not putin

[20:07] <VH-nors> putin has a place here but not as the antichrist

[20:07] <VH-Ariel> The Arab countries cover a larger area than the old roman empire

[20:07] <VH-rain> I see economics as being the force that pushes the Antichrist into the position of power because the world's economy is becoming so connected and the domino effect would call out for an "economic saviour"

[20:07] <VH-lamb21> I don't even know what Putin has done

[20:07] <VH-nors> he will be an attactor tho

[20:07] <VH-Craftyk> I believe that Putin could be a MAJOR stepping stone. Look at his record.

[20:07] <HostBob> Yes, rain, that's a good observation

[20:07] <VH-Ariel> The Arab countries are partly weak and partly strong

[20:08] <VH-hope> Yes, Putin could be the one, haven't you noticed, he's suddenly become very powerful, he used to be a not so good speaker and now he's become an incredible speaker, he's a virtually unknown, and suddenly he's the head of Russia!

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[20:08] <VH-midland> hello all

[20:08] <VH-nors> i

[20:08] <HostBob> However, we can go on and one speculating about who the antichrist is...

[20:08] <VH-rain> hi midland

[20:08] <VH-nors> hi

[20:08] <VH-hope> People don't really know what he's going to accomplish, and yet they vote for him

[20:08] <VH-midland> hi bob hi stan

[20:08] <VH-midland> hi rain

[20:08] <HostBob> what are some other things we need to be aware of for these last days?

[20:08] <VH-Craftyk> Didn't Putin play a major part in World War II against the Jews?

[20:09] <VH-rain> not old enough

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[20:09] <VH-nors> putin as russia helped liberat e the Jews with the Americans..remember?

[20:09] <VH-hope> So what about the 3 countries that are supposed to be "uprooted", what countries do you think these are going to be?

[20:09] <VH-Craftyk> That men will be lovers of self

[20:09] <VH-nors> hard to say

[20:10] <VH-Ariel> Russia was one of the two countries first to recognize Israel

[20:10] <HostBob> Yes, Crafty

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[20:10] <HostBob> Welcome Pie, Kathy, Midland!

[20:10] <VH-hope> NATO is a combination of 3 countries, right, U.S., Mexico and Canada, could these be them?

[20:10] <VH-Craftyk> There will be wars and rumors of war

[20:10] <VH-covenant> nors, was Russia liberating or trying to extend territory??

[20:10] <VH-nors> it might not be 10 individual countries but 10 groups of nations together, like the 50 states of America being one, the EU another, china, another, etc

[20:10] <VH-pie> hi hostbob

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[20:11] <VH-Ariel> What about the 7 heads and the G7?

[20:11] <VH-lamb21> I read somewhere that people think Ronald Reagan is the anti christ

[20:11] <HostBob> Shalom, Farrell!

[20:11] <VH-midland> it says 10 Kings

[20:11] <VH-hope> Well if it is Reagan, he's about to keel over

[20:11] <VH-midland> lol hope

[20:11] <VH-farrell> Shalom to all, I'll listen a while

[20:11] <VH-Kathy> doesn't he have to be of Roman Decent

[20:12] <VH-midland> well they keep thinking the pope is on his way out, but he keeps on going

[20:12] <VH-rain> the abomination of homosexuality

[20:12] <VH-midland> farrell hi

[20:12] <VH-nors> cov. russia was looking out for itself but played a part for the Jews to be set free. i think they didn't look that far south (Israel) but just to there own borders at the time of the war.

[20:12] <VH-hope> I thought the anti christ was going to be of German/Russian decent

[20:12] <HostBob> Interesting how we will be getting a new set of "players" soon - Arafat, Assad, the Pope all in seriously declining health

[20:13] <HostBob> Clinton also will be gone

[20:13] <HostBob> and of course Jordan has a new king

[20:13] <VH-midland> yes bob

[20:13] <VH-farrell> Don't count on Clinton being gone

[20:13] <HostBob> Oh, maybe just wishful thinking, Farrell :)

[20:13] <VH-midland> gore is new age

[20:13] <VH-rain> Clinton will not let himself fade away

[20:13] <VH-Ariel> Rev. 17:11 "And the beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth, and is {one} of the seven, and he goes to destruction.

[20:13] <VH-covenant> Food for thought: what difference does it make where antichrist comes from, will you be here to see him??

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[20:13] <VH-Ariel> Russia is the 8th.

[20:13] <VH-Kathy> the devil won't let Clinton go anywhere

[20:14] <HostBob> That's good, Ariel

[20:14] <VH-farrell> That's an interesting thought covenant

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[20:14] <VH-rain> You're right about that Kathy

[20:14] <HostBob> Well, coventant, depends on your view of the rapture timing :)

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[20:14] <VH-nors> cov. depends if you are pre trib or post trib!

[20:14] <VH-midland> I still believe he will be of jewish decent, the anti Christ

[20:14] <VH-Ariel> Why midland?

[20:14] <VH-hope> So what about Mikael Gorbachev, he's got this thing going now with the water shortage, and a possible war, and he's head of that Green International organization.

[20:15] <VH-farrell> Post or pre trib, it will all happen inGod's time

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[20:15] <VH-lamb21> Javk Van Impe said he thinks the Rapture will take place between 2001 And 2012

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[20:15] <VH-hope> OR PREWRATH

[20:15] <HostBob> Yes, exactly, Farrell - we need to be ready regardless

[20:15] <HostBob> of whatever situation

[20:15] <VH-covenant> I'll go on the first shuttle thanks?

[20:15] <VH-nors> i always thought that the anti christ would be jewish too but some think he will be the last great Gentile leader to end the gentile age

[20:15] <VH-Kathy> thats right lamb it wouldn't take any faith if we knew

[20:15] <HostBob> Looking for the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus!

[20:15] <VH-hope> Not if the first shuttle isn't picking up anyone

[20:16] <VH-farrell> How does the recent events re Putin inRussia figure in?

[20:16] <VH-midland> Ariel because alot of Jewish people have not excepted Jesus, and they are still waiting for the promised one. they are not about to except another

[20:16] <VH-Craftyk> Has anyone ever given thought to why Russia or any other country might want to attack Israel?

[20:16] <VH-lamb21> {raise Jesus!!

[20:16] <VH-lamb21> OOps Praise

[20:16] <VH-Kathy> hate in their hearts

[20:17] <VH-nors> hey, not the first shuttle cov. remember it says,,,,that the dead in Christ rise first and we which are alive will go up in the second wave....choose the second wave Covv.

[20:17] <VH-Ariel> When has anyone had to have a reason to attack the Jewish people?

[20:17] <HostBob> It says why in Eze 38 & 39, Crafty

[20:17] <VH-midland> he could be a syrian Jew

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[20:17] <VH-Craftyk> Thank you

[20:17] <VH-midland> it also says he will NOT regard the God of his fathers

[20:18] <VH-farrell> You have to remember that many present day Jews are atheist

[20:18] <HostBob> Yes, Farrell, but more and more are opening their eyes to see that Yeshua is the Messiah

[20:18] <VH-farrell> Praise God!

[20:18] <HostBob> and we know the wonderful promises of God to Israel for the future, so many promise!!

[20:18] <VH-pie> praise the LORD

[20:18] <VH-Clint> What does everyone think concerning the US in prophecy?

[20:19] <VH-Craftyk> We must remember that the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah. Remember when they wanted Barabas released at the Passover instead of Jesus! Pilate found no fault in Christ!

[20:19] <VH-lamb21> Do any of you know who Scott Holtz is?

[20:19] <VH-hope> Sorry, I didn't mean to offend.....I meant I used to be a pretriber, but I don't see it in scripture, and if there is a first shuttle, I'll be sure to be on it, I just don't think there is.

[20:19] <VH-Kathy> I think we will be like Sodom and Gemorah\

[20:19] <VH-nors> oil, minerals in the salt sea and tecnology are starters for wanting to attack israel

[20:19] <VH-covenant> thanks nor, I guess I better hope that I'm in the 2nd shuttle, otherwise......

[20:19] <HostBob> I agree, hope

[20:19] <VH-midland> Amen Bob ,, i keep having to tell people it is ONLY PART blindness

[20:20] <HostBob> Did you hear today that some reseachers are saying they have found...

[20:20] <VH-Craftyk> I am pre trib, read Rev. 3:10!

[20:20] <VH-midland> what bob??

[20:20] <HostBob> remnants of Sodom and Gomorrah?

[20:20] <HostBob> I just heard that today

[20:20] <VH-farrell> Where

[20:20] <HostBob> it's not substantiated yet

[20:20] <HostBob> in the Dead Sea

[20:20] <VH-nors> i heard it too

[20:20] <HostBob> I read it on Van Impe's news site

[20:20] <VH-farrell> Of course, would be in Dead Sea, wouldn't it?

[20:21] <HostBob> yes, it would

[20:21] <VH-lamb21> I read that NASA has pictures of the moon's surface....it is turning red

[20:21] <VH-midland> we are not appointed unto wrath

[20:21] <VH-Chosen> Has anyone ever thought about what if the book of Revelation is really not about an anti-christ, but about the resurrected Christ Jesus?

[20:21] <VH-nors> not

[20:21] <HostBob> Amen, Chosen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[20:21] <VH-midland> the day of the Lord is the day of wrath

[20:22] <VH-midland> chosen that has never entered my mind

[20:22] <VH-Kathy> mine either

[20:22] <HostBob> I agree, that though discussing the identity of the antichrist may be interesting, we should keep our focus where the Scriptures focus

[20:22] <VH-midland> what do you mean

[20:22] <VH-nors> host bob where you hear that

[20:22] <VH-lamb21> Of course I read that in a magazine it may not be true

[20:22] <VH-RJ> is there a difference between an anti-christ and an anti-Messiah

[20:22] <VH-Chosen> I have heard that before

[20:22] <VH-Craftyk> God tells us in Rev. 3:10 that He will keep thee from the four of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

[20:22] <HostBob> hold on, I will give you all the link

[20:22] <VH-midland> man of sin

[20:22] <VH-hope> That's o.k., if you're pretriber, I was for 33 years, but now I'm not, read "The Rapture Question Answered Plain and simple, by the late Robert Van Kampen, you might change your mind, and if not, atleast you'll see another possiblity, just read it with a pure heart and an open mind.

[20:22] <VH-nors> not

[20:23] <VH-Chosen> we all have some anti-christ in us...when our flesh resists the Word

[20:23] <VH-midland> yes chosen before we believed

[20:23] <VH-nors> hostbob are you the host here? just wondering if someone is host?

[20:23] <HostBob> Yes, I am the host :)

[20:24] <VH-Kathy> why does it mattet if we are pre tirb or post trib dont you think God leaves it open for opinion so that we must rely on our faith either way? Scripture says that we see through a glass dimly now

[20:24] <VH-Chosen> don't you think that when we do not heed to the working of the Spirit, then we are acting in an anti-christ manner?

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[20:24] <VH-farrell> Yes Kathy, yes

[20:24] <VH-nors> where in the world did you get on the antichrist being the Messiah?

[20:24] <VH-midland> in a manner yes

[20:24] <VH-lamb21> Holy Spirit breathe on us

[20:24] <HostBob> Yes, Chosen, I agree - we all need to be aware of our natural tendency for disobedience and disbelief

[20:24] <HostBob> our stubbornness and pride

[20:24] <VH-midland> yes bob true

[20:25] <VH-Chosen> thanks Bob...just wanted to bring that point out

[20:25] <VH-Kathy> we are born in sin and sinners we are by grace saved

[20:25] <VH-mytaniece> God also says that light and darkness cannot abide togethr so we cannot be christian and antichrist

[20:25] <HostBob> And I agree Kathy...

[20:25] <HostBob> we should not be so dogmatic about certain things... I mean, the essentials we MUST be dogmatic about..

[20:25] <VH-hope> If you're a believer, it doesn't matter what you are pre, post mid, or prewrath, you'll still see Jesus Christ at the Rapture, but you need to be prepared to die for your faith either way.

[20:25] <VH-midland> but i thought the one who denys that Jesus has Come in the flesh is of the spirit of an anti christ

[20:25] <VH-Kathy> we all have both natures it depends on which one we yeild control to

[20:25] <HostBob> the Deity of the Lord, tht nature of salvation etc

[20:25] <VH-Chosen> anything in our lives that does not conform to Christ, i believe, is "anti" Christ

[20:26] <HostBob> but the timing of the rapture, we should be open to hearing from the Lord in the Scriptures

[20:26] <HostBob> rather than holding tightly to our pre-conceived ideas

[20:26] <VH-Kathy> yes we must be ready

[20:26] <VH-hope> GREAT POINT BOB

[20:26] <VH-farrell> I agree, Bob

[20:26] <VH-rain> John 6: 37 is just one passage that speaks of God choosing his people and giving them to Jesus and look at John 6: 65

[20:26] <VH-Chosen> yes Bob, the scritpures give us clues and we need to be prepared as if it could be today

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[20:27] <VH-lamb21> Well I have to go...Bless you all Let the light of God shine through you so that the whole world will see. God Bless

[20:27] <HostBob> Yes, we need to be prepared as it is today, and prepared as if we have to someday be martyred

[20:27] <VH-Chosen> bless you lamb

[20:27] <VH-Kathy> we should be using just what we are using now our minds our hearts our eyes and ears and giving them all over to the authority of God to make His will known to us

[20:27] <VH-hope> If you're not a pretriber, we know it can't be today

[20:27] <VH-midland> God has always taken people who are to be delivered out before his Judgement was poured out, but everyone to there own

[20:27] <VH-pie> good nite lamb

[20:27] <HostBob> Bye, Lamb!

[20:27] <VH-rain> good bye lamb21

[20:27] <VH-lamb21> bye

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[20:28] <VH-Ariel> Sometimes God marks those who are not to be harmed

[20:28] <HostBob> Here is the Web address for that excellent news site: http://www.jvim.com/cgi-bin/update.cgi

[20:28] <HostBob> Jack Van Impe

[20:28] <VH-Ariel> Sometimes he has them put blood on the door so the destroyer passes over

[20:28] <HostBob> but don't go there now cuz you will leave the room! LOL

[20:28] <VH-covenant> bye lamb

[20:28] <VH-Kathy> he already put boood on our door when Christ died

[20:29] <VH-midland> amen kathy

[20:29] <VH-Chosen> we apply the blood in the Spirit

[20:29] VCI-Stan sets mode: +nt-mi

[20:29] VCI-Stan sets mode: +l 100

[20:29] <VH-Craftyk> I will "see" you later. Good night!

[20:29] <VH-Chosen> we are eternally covered in the blood of Jesus

[20:29] <VH-Ariel> My point is that He works in many different ways sometimes removing us from the problem sometimes marking and protection us

[20:29] <HostBob> Good night, Crafty!

[20:29] <VH-rain> goodnight Craftyk

[20:29] <VH-midland> bye craftyk

[20:30] <HostBob> I believe that He will protect us in a sense, if we are in the trib....

[20:30] <VH-Kathy> We are vessels broken and shaped for His use as He sees

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[20:30] <VH-Chosen> God sees us through the shed blood of His Son Jesus

[20:30] <HostBob> however, it does say that the antichrist will make war against the saints and "defat

[20:30] <HostBob> defeat them for at time

[20:30] <HostBob> a time

[20:30] <VH-Kathy> God never promisses to protect just see us through

[20:30] <VH-Chosen> that's where our protection is

[20:30] <VH-Chosen> in the blood

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[20:30] <VH-nors> by all

[20:30] <VH-hope> I believe that too, and also, I believe that He'll give us the words to say, if we are to be persecuted for His sake.

[20:30] <VH-covenant> bye craftyk -- I gotta go too it's been fun folks!!

[20:31] <VH-Kathy> our promise of protection is from death eternal

[20:31] <VH-rain> Hi Skeeter

[20:31] <HostBob> Bye, covenant!

[20:31] <VH-Chosen> bye

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[20:31] <HostBob> Welcome, Skeeter!

[20:31] <VH-Ariel> was the attack of the byzantine kingdom in the middle east war against the chosen

[20:31] <VH-Skeeter> Hello

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[20:31] <VH-midland> bye covenant

[20:31] <VH-farrell> Have a question? Are the 144,000 literally Jews?

[20:31] <VH-Ariel> Hello skeeter

[20:31] <VH-Kathy> The bible says they are

[20:31] <HostBob> It would seem so, Farrell

[20:31] <VH-midland> yes male jews Virgins also

[20:31] <VH-Kathy> It names the tribes that they are from

[20:32] <HostBob> Ariel, please elaborate on your question

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[20:32] <VH-farrell> Will they evangelize for the Messiah?

[20:32] <HostBob> Hello, Jazene!

[20:32] <VH-Kathy> where does it say they are virgins

[20:32] <VH-Chosen> or is the 144.000 a typecast of something in the spiritual realm?

[20:32] <VH-mytaniece> thanks everyone. It has been interesting and enlightening. God bless you all with his wisdom.

[20:32] <HostBob> That is the assumption, Farrell

[20:32] <VH-midland> kathy i will look

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[20:32] <VH-Kathy> thanks

[20:32] <VH-rain> thanks midland - I've always wondered if they were from non-inter married (pure) Jews

[20:32] <HostBob> Shalom, Don!

[20:32] <VH-jazene> good evening everyone

[20:33] <HostBob> Bye, Myta!

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[20:33] <VH-Ariel> Is it possible that the defeat of the Byzantine Christians could be a fulfillment of the prophecy agout allowing the believers to be overcome?

[20:33] <HostBob> Welcome, Vern!

[20:33] <VH-Clint> When you spiritualize prophecy, it creates a lot of problems that are not there otherwise.

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[20:33] <VH-rain> Hi jazene

[20:33] <VH-hope> Great answer Clint

[20:33] <HostBob> Well, Ariel, some tend to view prophecy like that, I don't, personally

[20:34] <VH-Skeeter> Bye all

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[20:34] <VH-jazene> Hi rain

[20:34] <HostBob> Bye Skeeter!

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[20:34] <VH-Chosen> bye skeeter

[20:34] <HostBob> I think that is future, Ariel

[20:34] <VH-rain> bye skeeter

[20:34] <VH-Ariel> Clint please elaborate on spiritualizing prophecy

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[20:34] <HostBob> Here's a key point of all of this - in these last days, God is looking for people who KNOW THE WORD!!!

[20:35] <VH-Kathy> God has made very clear without speculation the things that are required of man and everything else goes back to having faith

[20:35] <VH-joy> what are you all talking about?

[20:35] <VH-rain> Hi Don, Vern, heavensglory7 , joy &EZGuest

[20:35] <VH-Chosen> hi joy

[20:35] <HostBob> not as an academic exercise of course, but those who KNOW THE WORD and KNOW HIM!!!

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[20:35] <VH-Clint> The excluding of Israel in the present and replaced by the church is an example of spiritualizing.,

[20:35] <VH-pie> doer mostly

[20:35] <VH-midland> sorry Revelation 14:4 says they are VIRGINS

[20:36] <HostBob> Joy, a variety of subjects

[20:36] <HostBob> and any one of your choosing! :)

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[20:36] <VH-Chosen> Yes, Bob, if we know Him, then we will know The Word in the sense that He Is The Word!

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[20:36] <VH-joy> thanks Bob

[20:36] <HostBob> Yes, Chosen!

[20:36] <HostBob> We focus on various topics of Bible prophecy and current events

[20:36] <VH-Chosen> the Word says "my sheep know my voice"

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[20:37] <HostBob> and anyone is welcome to suggest a subject

[20:37] <VH-farrell> I do want to be able to intelligently defend the faith the Lord has given me

[20:37] <HostBob> Welcome, Yashana

[20:37] <VH-midland> kathy did you get the verse??

[20:37] <VH-Chosen> the only way to know someone's voice is to get to know the person

[20:37] <VH-yashana> stan I made it Thank You

[20:37] <VH-hope> So, I'm getting off the subject a little Bob, but I know that there was a 7 year treaty being discussed, which is the 7 year treaty that Clinton is trying to get settled....is it the agreement between the Palestinians and Jews, or the Syrians and the Jews?

[20:37] <HostBob> Yes, Chosen! Sitting at Jesus feet, lovingly listening to Him!

[20:38] <VH-Chosen> Yes...no better place to be

[20:38] <VH-Mike> Greetings! This is Willmar, Minnesota in the United States of America. What say someone please?

[20:38] <HostBob> My opinion is the current treaties are not the one spoken of

[20:38] <VH-Clint> Here in the US, many churches and preachers are spiritualizing scripture and is using the church to replace Israel. That cannot be.

[20:38] <HostBob> in Daniel

[20:38] <VH-joy> to really Know someone you have to have an intimate relationship with them.

[20:38] <HostBob> Amen, Clint

[20:38] <HostBob> Yes, Joy

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[20:38] <VH-Chosen> yes joy that's right

[20:39] <HostBob> Hope, I didn't hear that either on of those were in terms of seven years, specifically

[20:39] <HostBob> either one

[20:39] <VH-Ariel> I agree, Clint

[20:39] <HostBob> Greetngs, Willmar!

[20:39] <VH-Chosen> Bob, this is my first time in here on Mon night, may I ask where you are f rom and if you are the host every week?

[20:40] <VH-Vern> Taking a look at the news and where the world is heading and we can see the signs ( as in the days of Lot and before the flood)

[20:40] <HostBob> Yes, I am the host each week, and I live in Tampa Florida

[20:40] <VH-hope> Remember back when Rabin was alive, they discussed a 7 year treaty

[20:40] <VH-midland> amen vern

[20:40] <VH-Chosen> Great

[20:40] <VH-Mike> Hello, Bob! What country are you?

[20:40] <VH-joy> if we don't know the Lord in an intimate relationship,when things get really serious, we may be decieved.

[20:40] <HostBob> I'm not a country! ;)

[20:40] <HostBob> :)

[20:41] <VH-Chosen> heehee

[20:41] <HostBob> I live in the US

[20:41] <VH-Chosen> you are right joy, would be easy to be led astray if you don't know the voice of the lord

[20:41] <VH-yashana> How do you feel about the 7 year treaty having to be based on the calender God alwas used?

[20:42] <VH-Chosen> there are many voices that try to deceive God's people

[20:42] <VH-Clint> Well said.

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[20:42] <VH-farrell> Is Stan in Israel?

[20:42] <VH-joy> thanks chosen

[20:42] <VH-Chosen> yw

[20:42] <HostBob> What Calendar, Yashana?

[20:42] <HostBob> Yes, Stan is, but he is not really in the room

[20:42] <HostBob> even though his name is on the list

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[20:42] <HostBob> because it's 4 AM in Israel :)

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[20:43] <HostBob> However, Stan will be leading the Wed night chat

[20:43] <VH-Ariel> Are you in the USA, Clint?

[20:43] <VH-Vern> yashana: are you talking about the jewish calender?

[20:43] <VH-joy> wouldn't that be the Jewish calendar Bob?

[20:43] <VH-rain> I was aghast about 7 years ago when I watched a PBS-type special on the Intafada and they interviewed lots of people in parks and around the towns in Israel and the vast majority of the people said they would do anything for peace like giving up "chunks" of Israel!

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[20:43] <VH-Chosen> so is there a weekly Wed night chat also?

[20:43] <VH-farrell> Oh, thought we might get an idea of Israeli's view of the Syria thing

[20:43] <VH-hope> Bob, have you visitied Zions Hope in Orlando

[20:43] <HostBob> Yes, Chosen, just starting this week

[20:43] <HostBob> no, hope, what is it?

[20:43] <VH-Chosen> okay thanx

[20:43] <VH-midland> well I have to go now all the best everyone, and bye

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[20:44] <VH-Chosen> bye midland

[20:44] <HostBob> Yes, Rain, sad to see how they twist and propagandize

[20:44] <VH-Chosen> blessyou

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[20:44] <HostBob> Bye, Midland, thanks for coming

[20:44] <VH-rain> Bye Midland

[20:44] <VH-joy> bye midland

[20:44] <VH-Ariel> God bless everyone. I'm signing off for now.

[20:44] <HostBob> Sorry, Farrell, what were you referring to?

[20:44] <VH-Chosen> bye ariel

[20:45] <HostBob> Bye, Ariel!

[20:45] <VH-Vern> bye ariel

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[20:45] <VH-joy> bye ariel

[20:45] <VH-rain> bye Ariel - that's my daughter's real name

[20:45] <VH-yashana> so do you think it will be 2520 literal days?

[20:45] <HostBob> It's encouraging to see so many people with a heart for the Lord! :)

[20:45] <VH-hope> Bob, Zion's Hope is led by Marv Rosenthal, the author of the other book I've read The Pre-Wrath rapture of the church..

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[20:45] <VH-farrell> Clinton, Assad ending talks without pact - "significant" differences, et al

[20:45] <HostBob> Yes, I think so, Yashana

[20:45] <VH-Clint> To All: I am just a born again, caucasian gentile but lately I have sensed an increase in my love for Israel. Has anyone else noticed the same?

[20:45] <HostBob> Oh yes, hope, no I have not

[20:45] <HostBob> Yes, Clint!

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[20:46] <VH-Chosen> Bob, do you know much about the "Bible Codes"

[20:46] <HostBob> Farrell, I think it's very significant

[20:46] <VH-Chosen> Yes Clint...

[20:46] <VH-farrell> Yes Clint

[20:46] <HostBob> Some, Chosen

[20:46] <VH-joy> yes Clint I have

[20:46] <VH-Chosen> i wonder how true they are in relation to end times?

[20:46] <VH-Kathy> Yes I have noticed that same thing Clint

[20:46] <VH-Vern> Amen ot CLint

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[20:46] <HostBob> I think about the Bible codes, there may be some validity... but.. He wants us to pay attention to the things He has clearly written

[20:46] <HostBob> If we can do that we'll be in good shape :)

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[20:47] <VH-Chosen> amen

[20:47] <VH-hope> Don, back when they televised that union between Clinton Rabin and Arafat, they specifically said a 7 year treaty, it might not be it, but after Rabin got killed, things kind of dropped away, and I thought it was the deal that is supposed to be made between the Palestinians and the Jews.

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[20:47] <HostBob> Farrell, I believe that prophecy clearly states that Damascus will be destroyed by the Jews

[20:48] <HostBob> so I don't think the peace treaty will amount to anything, even if there is one

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[20:48] <VH-hope> So you think it will be a new treaty that has not even been discussed?

[20:48] <VH-Kathy> any peace will be a flase pease

[20:49] <VH-farrell> Bob, I think so too. What about Dan. 11:41, do you think Jordan will be delivered out of hands of anti-christ?

[20:49] <VH-Vern> What do you think about the newly elected Russian leader?

[20:49] <HostBob> The one mentioned in Daniel hope? Yes, I do, that's my opinion

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[20:49] <HostBob> That seems to be a commonly held interpretation, yes, Farrell, that Jordan will not fall to the antichrist

[20:49] <HostBob> based on that Daniel passage

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[20:50] <VH-farrell> so it is pretty clear, isn't it?

[20:50] <HostBob> Some have speculated that is where the Jews will be protected

[20:50] <HostBob> in Petra

[20:50] <VH-farrell> Petra?

[20:50] <VH-hope> But Bob, you're not blowing off any of these peace treaties being discussed now are you?

[20:50] <HostBob> which is in modern day Jordan

[20:51] <HostBob> no, hope I think they are significant...

[20:51] <VH-Chosen> Have a lot of you all been to Israel?

[20:51] <HostBob> because God is orchestrating history to His desired ends

[20:51] <VH-Kathy> I have not

[20:51] <VH-rain> nor I

[20:51] <VH-joy> How could Jordan not fall to the anti christ, when it says the whole world will worship him or be destroyed?

[20:51] <HostBob> according that what has been written in the Scriptures

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[20:51] <VH-Chosen> I was there in 1979

[20:52] <VH-hope> Someday we'll all (believers) get to see it!

[20:52] <HostBob> "He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand."

[20:52] <VH-Chosen> yes...can't wait to see it again!

[20:52] <VH-Vern> Don't you think that the current peace negotions are prophecy saying "Peace, Peace."

[20:52] <HostBob> That is the verse to which Farrell referred, Joy

[20:52] <VH-Kathy> I thik that Vern

[20:52] <HostBob> Edom, Moab, Amon, all east of the Jordan River

[20:52] <VH-hope> That's what it looks like to me Vern

[20:52] <VH-joy> thanksBob

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[20:53] <HostBob> the present day "Ammon" capital of Jordan comes from "Ammon"

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[20:53] <VH-Chosen> been there

[20:53] <VH-Clint> Sorry Guys, I keep loosing the chat. Guess I'll check out. It was a blessing, Shalom.

[20:53] <VH-Chosen> blessings Clint

[20:53] <HostBob> Glad to have you, Clint!

[20:53] <VH-rain> bye clint

[20:53] <VH-Kathy> bye Clint

[20:53] <VH-hope> Bye Clint, God Bless

[20:53] <VH-farrell> Bless you Clint

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[20:54] <VH-joy> bye clint

[20:54] <HostBob> Looks like our official one hour time is up, but we keep going beyond that, so stick around!

[20:54] <VH-Vern> Where do you think that the Pope fits in. Bye Clint

[20:54] <VH-Chosen> Bob, what will be the subject on Wed. night?

[20:54] <HostBob> On Wednesday night, it will be in general current affairs and politics in the Middle East

[20:54] <VH-hope> I always thought the Pope was going to be the false prophet....but who knows

[20:55] <VH-Chosen> okay...thanx Bob

[20:55] <HostBob> this Pope will fit in a casket soon :)

[20:55] <VH-Kathy> I kind of thought that too

[20:55] <HostBob> as we all will :)

[20:55] <HostBob> Hope that wasn't too crude

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[20:55] <VH-hope> Good one Bob, LOL

[20:55] <VH-Chosen> he has lasted a long time (Pope)

[20:55] <VH-rain> I was very disappointed to see how much the Pope sided with the Arabs/Palestinians and didn't show much connection to the Jews

[20:55] <VH-Vern> just being realistic

[20:56] <VH-hope> He's determined to stay alive to hear that special message he says he's waiting to receive from Mary

[20:56] <VH-joy> Bob, wasn't the last treaty one of peace and safety,like the Bible says?

[20:56] <HostBob> Yes, Rain, but unfortunately that's characteristic of the Catholic church, apology or no

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[20:56] <HostBob> Yes, peace and safety

[20:56] <VH-Wannabnzion> Shalom!!

[20:56] <HostBob> and I'm not saying that it necessarily is not "the treaty" - it could be

[20:56] <HostBob> however, I think that it will be broader in scope

[20:57] <HostBob> just my opinion

[20:57] <VH-joy> Bob, according to the Bible isn't that suppose to be the last treaty?

[20:57] <VH-hope> I just thought it was wierd when they said 7 years......my hairs stood up on my arms when I heard it

[20:57] <VH-Vern> Gonna say goodnight --See you on Wednesday, <><

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[20:57] <VH-Chosen> you know what's funny is that a lot of people 'reverence' the Pope more than they reverance the Almight God

[20:57] <VH-rain> Bob, I guess I thought that he was going to make amends for the "insultive behavior" to the Jewish people

[20:57] <VH-hope> God Bless you Vern

[20:57] <HostBob> Well, Joy, it says people will be saying "peace and safety" - I'm not sure that it is referring specifically to the coventant

[20:57] <HostBob> NIght, Vern!

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[20:58] <VH-Kathy> true but those who do don't read the Bible they read a prayer book

[20:58] <HostBob> Yes, Hope

[20:58] <VH-Chosen> night vern

[20:58] <VH-rain> Sweet Dreams vern

[20:58] <VH-hope> Bob what do you think of the new DIGITAL ANGEL ?

[20:58] <VH-joy> bye vern

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[20:58] <VH-rain> I was stunned to see the Pope at the Mount of the Beatitudes

[20:58] <HostBob> No, rain, look at some of the stuff on VHL and you will see that the Pope is no friend of Israel

[20:58] <VH-Kathy> has anyone ever thought about how all the hipe over Y2k came to nothing and is like it says peoiple will tire of looking and then suden suprise

[20:59] <HostBob> I'm not very familiar with it, hope, tell us - I read a little....

[20:59] <VH-TTABB> WHAT IS DIGITAL ANGEL

[20:59] <HostBob> Yes, Kathy, I agree

[20:59] <VH-Chosen> yes, Kathy, i believe the enemy used that to instill fear into people and God's people also

[20:59] <VH-Kathy> soooo many things are hapening right in front of us

[20:59] <HostBob> like people saying "You Christians have been saying for centuries that Jesus will return"

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[20:59] <VH-Kathy> right bob

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[21:00] <VH-Chosen> to get our focus off of who our real provider is

[21:00] <VH-Wannabnzion> Bob, even Christians are saying that!!

[21:00] <HostBob> As Peter prophesied they would

[21:00] <VH-rain> Hope my pastor asked us on New Years service if anybody had heard of Digital Angel & I threw up my hand and then he asked what does it sound like and I blurted out Mark of the Beast to mei

[21:00] <HostBob> yes, Wanna

[21:00] <VH-joy> I agree everybody

[21:00] <VH-Kathy> the bible said it would be like that

[21:00] <VH-Wannabnzion> What is digital angel?

[21:01] <VH-TTABB> what is digital angel

[21:01] <VH-rain> Jack Van Impe's link to the Net World Daily has some great articles about Digital Angel

[21:01] <VH-hope> The company is Applied Digital Solutions it trades on the NASDAQ under ADS, it's the human chip that runs by the use of our muscles, not on batteries, it was patented back in 1995 (I believe that's the date), but it is finally coming out by YEAR END....this year, and the way they're marketing it is...

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[21:01] <HostBob> Yes, here is what it says about that in Ezekiel ""Son of man, what is this proverb you have in the land of Israel: 'The days go by and every vision comes to nothing'?""Say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am going to put an end to this proverb, and they will no longer quote it in Israel.' Say to them, 'The days are near when every vision will be fulfilled."

[21:01] <VH-joy> what does a digital angel do?

[21:01] <VH-hope> It tracks human beings

[21:01] <VH-rain> Digital Angel is billed as a tracking device implanted but who will be tracking ?

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[21:01] <HostBob> "Son of man, the house of Israel is saying, 'The vision he sees is for many years from now, and he prophesies about the distant future.' "Therefore say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: None of my words will be delayed any longer; whatever I say will be fulfilled, declares the Sovereign LORD.'"

[21:01] <VH-Chosen> in other words,,a 'tracking device'?

[21:02] <VH-joy> thanks all

[21:02] <VH-TTABB> maybe they will tell you it is for your kids

[21:02] <VH-Chosen> you leaving joy?

[21:02] <VH-hope> It's being attracted to People by marketing.......lost children, heart patients, criminals, you'll know exactly where they're at, at all times

[21:02] <VH-rain> ...and we know why they want it...

[21:03] <VH-joy> no, i was saying thanks for explaining digital angel

[21:03] <HostBob> I think, that when the mark of the beast comes, people will know that by taking it they are pledging allegiance to the antichrist

[21:03] <VH-Chosen> thank God He knows where we are at at all times!

[21:03] <HostBob> it will be a sign of devotion

[21:03] <HostBob> and people will be eager to do it

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[21:03] <HostBob> just like the Germans were eager to pledge devotion to Hitler

[21:03] <VH-hope> right now they don't have a central location to monitor, but companies that buy it, will have to make their own, kind of like a security guard company keeps track of alarms...

[21:03] <VH-farrell> But God does not tempt us with evil so we won't have the desire to take the mark

[21:04] <HostBob> as their saviour

[21:04] <VH-Chosen> we must not forget the children of israel and how God provided for them

[21:04] <VH-hope> The mark will have to be made attractive to the public, useful

[21:04] <HostBob> no, Farrell, though there will be a "great delusion" according to Paul, it will only be for those who have not "loved the truth"

[21:04] <VH-Chosen> the Word in the old testament still applies to today in principle

[21:04] <VH-rain> Here in Colorado all the supermarkets had swipe cards to get our automatic discounts and the cashiers would swipe your card ... Now it is our responsibility and the bottom of our receipts have ALL kinds of information about us

[21:04] <HostBob> Yes, Chosen!

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[21:05] <HostBob> I agree! God kept the Israelite safe in Egypt when the plagues were happening

[21:05] <VH-farrell> Yes Bob, God knows our hearts

[21:05] <VH-Chosen> Jehovah Jireh...our God provider

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[21:05] <VH-joy> I think we will know when the real mark of the beast comes, and we will make our choice yes or no.

[21:06] <HostBob> Here's a Scripture that compares the 2 events: ""As in the days when you came out of Egypt, I will show them my wonders."" (Micah 7:!5)

[21:06] <VH-snow> Isn't it true that the christian people won't be here to worry about taking the mark of the beast, because we will already be raptured.??????

[21:06] <VH-farrell> Yes, joy, we will make our choice

[21:06] <HostBob> He will show the world His WONDERS once again

[21:06] <VH-hope> Remember they're already trying to develop a chip to alter our minds.....they showed an example, like if you don't know how to fly an airplane, all you do is "download" the information into your brain.....if they do this, any one can be made to accept an Anti Christ, if they already received the chip

[21:06] <VH-joy> in other words, i don't think we will be tricked into taking it.

[21:06] <VH-Chosen> i say a prayer every day..."God, don't let me be deceived"

[21:06] <HostBob> Some thing that we will be raptured before, Snow

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[21:06] <HostBob> think, that is

[21:07] <VH-rain> the scary thing about our cards, like the debit cards and charge cards is that we use them for convenience, to save money, etc.

[21:07] <HostBob> Yes, Joy

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[21:07] <VH-Don> Have you read the "Left Behind " series Seven of them and discuses these subjects

[21:07] <HostBob> If we keep our focus on Him...

[21:07] <VH-Chosen> Yes

[21:08] <VH-snow> I believe the christians will not be here during the tribulation,,,, God will spare us from this awful time.

[21:08] <VH-hope> READ THE RAPture Question Answered plain and simple, by Robert Van Kampen, Snow, then you'll see another possibility....just read it with a pure heart and an open mind.

[21:08] <VH-Chosen> He will keep us in perfect peace if our mind is stayed upon Him

[21:08] <HostBob> Here's what Jesus said: "Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."

[21:09] <HostBob> Here is another translation: "But keep on the alert at all times, praying in order that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man."

[21:09] <VH-hope> Snow, I believed that way for 33 years, but I had my doubts, now I feel very clear about the issue.

[21:09] <HostBob> I lean strongly towards post-trib, that the rapture and 2nd coming are one event

[21:09] <HostBob> I was taught pre-trib in Bible college

[21:09] <VH-Olive> I believe the christians will be here during the tribulation. God takes us through these trials like He took Daniel and Moses and all the others through not out off.

[21:09] <VH-hope> Bob, that's almost the Pre-wrath position

[21:09] <VH-joy> I agree with you Bob

[21:10] <VH-Chosen> what denominaton are you from Bob?

[21:10] <HostBob> I'm a Christian :)

[21:10] <VH-Chosen> good answer

[21:10] <VH-hope> Snow, I'm a southern Baptist

[21:10] <VH-Chosen> )

[21:10] <VH-farrell> Me too

[21:10] <VH-sherry> I liked that anser bob

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[21:10] <VH-Kathy> the Bible refers to days of Noah and He took Noah out

[21:10] <VH-hope> But most Baptist don't believe this, most are pretrib

[21:10] <VH-snow> I'm a Southern Baptist also,hope

[21:10] <HostBob> Welcome, Kimi!

[21:10] <VH-farrell> Christian, that is

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[21:11] <VH-joy> I'm a believer in Yeshua Bob

[21:11] <VH-rain> I'm a GARBC Baptist

[21:11] <VH-Kathy> S Baptist here too

[21:11] <HostBob> Hello, Spud!

[21:11] <HostBob> Amen, Joy!

[21:11] <VH-kimi> thanks

[21:11] <VH-hope> You're right Bob, I am a true believer, but I kind of know where Snow is coming from

[21:11] <VH-Chosen> my husband was raised GARBC

[21:11] <VH-Olive> Kathy not out through

[21:11] <VH-joy> what is GARBC, Chosen

[21:12] <VH-Chosen> a Baptist denominaton

[21:12] <VH-Kathy> well out in a sense

[21:12] <VH-Chosen> i wasn't raised that,,,just know it's conservative baptist

[21:12] <VH-joy> thanks, i never heard of it myself

[21:12] <VH-Kathy> they didnt suffer from the efffects

[21:12] <HostBob> Our Lord is so good to us, and you know what I'm learning more and more - if we ASK and ASK and set our desire on Him, there is no limit to the good spiritual things He give us! The knowledge of Him, the sweetness of His presence, the purity of heart - If we ask and keep on asking, He will give us these things!

[21:12] <VH-Chosen> me neither til i married my husband

[21:12] <VH-hope> You know most Baptist, that are doubtful about the pretrib position, don't say it,

[21:13] <VH-Chosen> Amen and Amen, Bob!!!

[21:13] <VH-Kathy> Sooo true Goid is sooo good

[21:13] <HostBob> He's looking for people who are SERIOUS about seeking Him!!!

[21:13] <VH-joy> Bob, i agree

[21:13] <VH-Kathy> yall over look my spelling ok

[21:13] <VH-Chosen> You know God wants us more than we want Him!

[21:14] <VH-hope> LOL , that's o.k. Kathy

[21:14] <VH-joy> ok Kathy

[21:14] <VH-Chosen> anybody out there a God Chaser?

[21:14] <VH-Kathy> my brain goes faster than my fingers

[21:14] <VH-joy> me

[21:14] <VH-rain> I always say God loves me in spite of myself and I praise Him for His Love

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[21:15] <VH-hope> You know it was pretty scary at first when I realized I was no longer a pretriber, but it has brought me much closer to God

[21:15] <VH-hope> What's a God Chaser?

[21:15] <VH-snow> I can't keep up with you all, I try to type and then I miss what you are saying.

[21:15] <VH-Don> Goodnight youall from the Pudget Sound

[21:15] <HostBob> Some people let fear of what will happen dominate them Hope.... but there is not need for that - He is always with us

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[21:15] <VH-rain> Bye Don

[21:15] <VH-Kathy> I t really doesn't mater to me which way God does it I know Hw will be with us whichever way He does it

[21:16] <VH-hope> How funny SNOW

[21:16] <HostBob> no matter what we go through

[21:16] <VH-joy> goodnight Don

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[21:16] <VH-Olive> Bob what do you think of the tribulation ?

[21:16] <VH-Kathy> me too snow

[21:16] <VH-hope> Just be ready to die for your faith

[21:16] <HostBob> Once again, for the newcomers, this is Bible Prophecy chat, all contributions welcome

[21:16] <VH-farrell> Bob, have you read David Dolan's novel, it takes a post-trib view. Good book.

[21:16] <HostBob> not money LOL

[21:17] <HostBob> no, I have not, Farrel

[21:17] <HostBob> Olive, I think it will be a horrible time for the earth

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[21:17] <HostBob> look at Isaiah 24 and see how it describes the perions

[21:17] <HostBob> period

[21:18] <VH-snow> I read the "Left Behind " series, very good.

[21:18] <HostBob> there is more probably in the OT than the New about that time

[21:18] <HostBob> many many prophecies

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[21:18] <VH-spud> i've read the LEFT BEHIND books and was curious about what would be discussed tonite

[21:18] <VH-hope> You know it seems so horrible, and yet doesn't the thought of giving your life for the One who gave us His, such an awesome thought....don't get me wrong, I don't want to die, but...

[21:18] <VH-farrell> Do you link, Isa 24, Ezk 38-39 and Dan 11 - are they speaking of the same period?

[21:18] <VH-joy> Bob, they say it will be like Jacob's trouble,do we need to study jacob's life?

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[21:18] <HostBob> one of my "pet peeves" is that we focus way too much on the NT exclusively

[21:19] <VH-Chosen> hello again...lost connection

[21:19] <HostBob> That prophecy is from Jer 30, Joy....

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[21:19] <VH-Believer> We live in momentous times, don't you think?

[21:19] <VH-kimi> Bob, how do you discern what is end-time prophecy in the OT

[21:19] <VH-Chosen> we can learn sooo much from the OT

[21:19] <HostBob> "The days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity and restore them to the land I gave their forefathers to possess,' says the LORD.""

[21:19] <HostBob> Well, Kimi, 2 ways.....

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[21:20] <VH-rain> The first book that opened my eyes was by Texe Marrs "Mystery Mark of the New Age " and then I read Frank Perretti's 1st two books - Wow ... Bob Denver was described in the 2nd book

[21:20] <HostBob> One, just read it more and more, so that the pieces start to come together, and two, let the Holy Spirit be your teacher

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[21:20] <HostBob> reading other books is good, but there is no excuse for just spending lots of time reading the Bible

[21:21] <VH-hope> Well, my time, unfortunately has come to leave.....God bless all of you, Love in Christ, Hope

[21:21] <VH-Kathy> I read all of Pereiit's books they were wonderful makes you think

[21:21] <VH-Chosen> Just simply ask the Holy Spirit to open up the mysteries in God's Word

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[21:21] <HostBob> Bye, Hope! Thanks for coming!

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[21:21] <VH-Chosen> bye Hope

[21:21] <VH-Kathy> Yes Bob the only Book is the Bible for enlightnment

[21:21] <VH-Olive> Of all the verses in the Revelation, most of them came from the Old Testament.

[21:21] <HostBob> I hope that I didn't miss anyone's questions, with so much going on here....

[21:21] <VH-hope> I'll try to be back Wednesday, Bob, I look forward to hearing from you again

[21:22] <VH-Chosen> is it usually this busy in here Bob?

[21:22] <HostBob> Should be interesting on Wed - Stan, who lives in Jerusalem will be leading it

[21:22] <VH-joy> bye hope

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[21:22] <HostBob> Yes Chosen, usually have lively discussions

[21:22] <VH-Chosen> this has been fun and interesting

[21:23] <VH-Bruny> How often do you have the chats

[21:23] <VH-rain> This is my 1st time and this has been wonderful

[21:23] <VH-Chosen> Bob are you a Pastor or Teacher of the Word?

[21:23] <HostBob> I'm glad you have enjoyed it - hopefully we will all be "energized" and encouraged to seek the Lord and look for His coming!

[21:23] <HostBob> This prophecy chat is each Monday

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[21:23] <HostBob> I am not a pastor, no, but I am a teacher

[21:24] <VH-farrell> Amen, Bob, thanks everyone, Shalom

[21:24] <VH-Chosen> this is very encouraging and invigorating to the spirit

[21:24] <HostBob> Shalom, Farrell

[21:24] <VH-rain> Bye Farrell

[21:24] <VH-Chosen> bye Farrell

[21:24] <HostBob> We are glad you joined us, rain!

[21:24] <VH-joy> bye Farrell

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[21:24] <VH-Chosen> hi joyful

[21:25] <VH-Bruny> This is my first time and I came in late, hope to get here on time Wed

[21:25] <VH-Chosen> you will enjoy it Bruny

[21:25] <HostBob> OK - now that we have caught our breath :) What topics do you wish to pursue now?

[21:25] <VH-Chosen> discussion on the Holy Spirit?

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[21:25] <HostBob> Sure, Chosen1

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[21:26] <HostBob> Welcome, Ketla!

[21:26] <VH-Chosen> anybody else have anything?

[21:26] <VH-Ketla> Ah, people are still here! :)

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[21:26] <VH-snow> If you are a christian death is nothing to worry about. I watched my dad die and it was the most peaceful experience I ever had. I couldn't believe how I handled his death. I know what it means that God will comfort you/

[21:26] <VH-Ketla> What's the topic?

[21:26] <HostBob> Yes, Snow, nothing to fear at all

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[21:26] <VH-Chosen> yes snow...the same with me...my mom passed away also

[21:27] <HostBob> We are in between topics, Ketla - Chosen suggested that we talk about the Holy Spirit

[21:27] <VH-Ketla> Ah, I C.

[21:27] <VH-rain> Hi Ketla, spud, Bruny, joyful MedicB

[21:27] <HostBob> so - get us started, Chosen :)

[21:27] <VH-Chosen> she is more alive now than she ever was on this earth!

[21:27] <VH-Ketla> Hi rain.

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[21:27] <VH-Bruny> How do you handle a death of a loved one when they are not saved

[21:27] <HostBob> She?

[21:27] <VH-Chosen> how does everyone view the Holy Spirit in their lives?

[21:27] <VH-joy> She Chosen?

[21:27] <VH-rain> that is the time for real tears

[21:27] <VH-Chosen> my mom

[21:28] <VH-rain> It should be our inspiration to tell as many people as we can about the saving grace of Jesus

[21:28] <VH-snow> Yes chosen, and when I think about my dad, I can't be sad because I know that he is with Jesus and I can't be sad.

[21:28] <VH-joy> Chosen, i thought you were talking about the holy spirit

[21:28] <VH-Ketla> I think the Holy Spirit has been the one member of the Trinity I've felt the most, yet understood the least, ever since I became a Christian.

[21:28] <VH-Chosen> no sorry

[21:29] <VH-Chosen> i know what you mean snow

[21:29] <VH-Bruny> When they have heard and won't respond it is hearbreaking

[21:29] <HostBob> Yes, I think you had us all confused for a second, like there was a Mother earth goddess proponent in here or something :)

[21:29] <VH-joy> do you all believe in three Gods?

[21:29] <VH-rain> Bruny think how much more God grieves

[21:29] <VH-Chosen> lol

[21:29] <HostBob> No, there is only one God

[21:29] <VH-Ketla> Don't I know it. My grandmother has never turned to the Lord.

[21:29] <VH-Chosen> sorry Bob

[21:30] <HostBob> one God, in three persons

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[21:30] <HostBob> I'm glad I didn't have to toss you out, Chosen! LOL

[21:30] <VH-Chosen> i also agree that the Holy Spirit has been the one most disunderstood

[21:30] <VH-Ketla> Kind of like water can be steam, ice or liquid, but at the same time.

[21:30] <VH-snow> How does the Holy Spirit work in you life Bob????

[21:30] <HostBob> The Holy Spirit is fully God

[21:30] <VH-Olive> death is only a deep sleep, when we will know nothing until the sound of the trumpet will be our first concious thought.

[21:30] <HostBob> Well, Snow, let's look at what Jesus said....

[21:30] <VH-Chosen> nope don't believe in mother earth goddess Bob...lol

[21:31] <VH-rain> My husband is not saved and I am so bothered by that but all I can do is pray that God will soften his heart so that he will ask Jesus into his heart!

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[21:31] <HostBob> "You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.'"The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.""

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[21:31] <VH-joy> olive, I can't agree with you

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[21:31] <VH-Bruny> my husband isn't either

[21:31] <VH-Ketla> I think death is different, our spirits are with the Lord, but later, our bodies will be transformed and join our spirits.

[21:31] <HostBob> Yes, rain - keep praying!

[21:31] <VH-Chosen> i believe differently also olive

[21:32] <VH-Chosen> because the Spirit realm is more real than this earthly realm

[21:32] <HostBob> The Holy Spirit is not a thing or a force...

[21:32] <VH-Ketla> I'm not sure if being in heaven in spirit only is different, but I guess I'll see when I get there, huh? :)

[21:32] <VH-Chosen> we just can't see into that realm because we are temporal human beings

[21:32] <VH-joy> i think i agree with youketla

[21:32] <VH-Olive> Jooy what do you think of death?

[21:32] <HostBob> The Holy Spirit is God Himself who comes to live inside us when we are born again

[21:33] <VH-Chosen> and the Holy Spirit is a gentleman with many moods

[21:33] <VH-Olive> Right on Bob

[21:33] <VH-Chosen> He (the Holy Spirit) is easlily offended

[21:33] <HostBob> That's why Jesus said we had to be born of the Spirit - when we are born physically, it is from our parents, when we are born of the Spirit, we become God's children

[21:33] <VH-Olive> the many moods are the devil

[21:33] <VH-joy> olive, the word says that absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

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[21:34] <VH-snow> When you are impressed to do something and it seems silly to you, if it is something that may be pleasing to God, is this the Holy Spirit??????

[21:34] <VH-Bruny> is speaking in tongues evidence of receiveing the holy spirit

[21:34] <HostBob> not everyone is a child of God, contrary to popular opinion - only those born of God

[21:34] <VH-Chosen> we were created in God's image...we have many moods

[21:34] <VH-rain> I taught a lesson for my Ladies Bible Study and though I am honest and pour out my heart, I felt unprepared to teach my lesson ... after the lesson each lady spoke to me separately and told me how much I had touched their hearts and how much they had gotten out of my lesson - I knew and told them each that it was the Holy Spirit who spoke the words that they each needed to hear

[21:34] <VH-Ketla> Yeah, and Jesus told the thief, "TODAY you will be with me in paradise" (emphasis mine)

[21:34] <VH-lucy> Rain don`t give up on your husband I prayed for mine 14 years and it seemed like there was no hope then one night the Lord went to the place where he worded and got him

[21:35] <HostBob> That's a tough one, Snow - discerning the leading of the Spirit can be difficult at times, for me anyway - anyone else relate?

[21:35] <VH-Chosen> sometimes yes, Bob

[21:35] <VH-rain> Thanks Lucy for the encouragement

[21:35] <HostBob> One thine we know for certain...

[21:35] <VH-Ketla> Hate to duck in and out, but gotta go. Nice chatting with everyone.

[21:35] <VH-rain> Bye Ketla

[21:35] <VH-Ketla> bye

[21:35] <VH-Chosen> we are led by the Spirit by knowing His voice

[21:35] <VH-joy> you all don't believe in being baptized in the Holy Spirit?

[21:35] <HostBob> The Holy Spirit will NEVER EVER lead us to do something contrary to what God has said in the Scriptures

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[21:36] <VH-Chosen> how well do we know His voice?

[21:36] <VH-Chosen> that's right Bob, He can only speak The Word because He is The Word

[21:36] <VH-joy> Bye Ketia

[21:36] <HostBob> Joy, all Christians believe in being baptized in the Spirit - it's just the interpretation of that which differs

[21:37] <VH-EZGuest804> how did you know your grandmother didn't turn to the LOrd, Ketla?

[21:37] <VH-Chosen> God is what God does....satan is what satan does....fear is what fear does...etc

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[21:37] <VH-Olive> Joy when we die the breath goes back to God who gave it. The soul rests in the grave until the last sound. God breathed into adam and he became a living soul. and I think that is a person or a soul.

[21:38] <VH-Chosen> i believe our spirts are with the Lord when we dies

[21:38] <VH-Chosen> it is our spirit that makes us who we are

[21:38] <VH-kimi> Chosen, what do you mean, He can only speak the word?

[21:38] <VH-MedicB> The Holy Spirit empowers us to lead a Christioan life

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[21:38] <VH-MedicB> Christian life

[21:38] <VH-joy> olive, I believe our spirit who is the real us, goes to be with the Lord, then when the trumpet sounds our body will join our spirit.

[21:39] <VH-Chosen> the Holy Spirit can only speak THE WORD OF GOD BECAUSE HE IS THE WORD OF GOD

[21:39] <HostBob> "But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." - Jesus

[21:39] <VH-snow> I was impressed to go to my cousin during a morning service in church and I thought it was silly and everyone would think I was weird, but I kept feeling this thought urging me to go to him and to go with him to pray for this sister whom he had bad feelings. I finally gave in to the feeling and went to him and he went with me and we did go pray. I felt like I had did what God wanted, not knowing why. But my cousin thanked me. Is this how th

[21:39] <VH-Chosen> does that make more sense kimi? don't know how else to say it

[21:40] <HostBob> "I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him." (I John 2:26-27)

[21:40] <HostBob> Yes, Snow

[21:40] <VH-Chosen> when the Spirit is speaking to me to do something or say something, it is a 'gnawing' thing in my gut and i can't get away from it until i obey

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[21:41] <VH-joy> so, you all don't believe in being filled with the spirit of God, like what happened in the Upper room in the book of Acts?

[21:41] <VH-Chosen> i do joy

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[21:41] <VH-kimi> Sometimes the "words" that the Holy Spirit uses are not found in the Word but the truth is.

[21:41] <HostBob> Joy, we all believe in that, but some differ on whether or not speaking in tongues accompanies that

[21:41] <VH-Bruny> Joy are you referrring to when they spoke in other tongues

[21:41] <HostBob> and we should allow those differences of viewpoint

[21:42] <VH-joy> Bruny, yes I am.

[21:42] <VH-Chosen> what do you mean kimi?

[21:42] <HostBob> and not allow them to cause division

[21:42] <VH-EZGuest> whats the topic tonight everyone, and hello

[21:42] <HostBob> Hello EZ

[21:42] <VH-rain> Snow - that is how I have felt the Holy Spirit... I am saved , baptized but every now and then the Holy Spirit says deal with this , make it known to the congregation that you stand for something, etc. and I up for the altar call

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[21:42] <HostBob> talking about the Holy Spirit now

[21:42] <VH-joy> Hi EZ

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[21:43] <VH-Chosen> boy, Bob, this subject is just as sensitive as end time prophecy...isn't it?!

[21:43] <HostBob> But any topic suggestions aare welcome :)

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[21:43] <VH-joy> Do any of you talk in tongues?

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[21:44] <HostBob> Yes, Chosen - it's sensitive, but only when we let our pride about our "right" viewpoint cause division - Christians should be able to disagree and still fellowship

[21:44] <VH-rain> Hi EZ, spud556, Hollywood, shelly

[21:44] <VH-EZGuest> what about prophecy???

[21:44] <VH-Chosen> prayer language? or in public?

[21:44] <VH-holywood> hey , rain

[21:44] <VH-rain> Amen Bob!

[21:44] <VH-Olive> The spirit came upon Jesus at His baptism and when He was crucified the Holy Spirit left Him until 40 days after His resurrection.

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[21:44] <VH-Chosen> i agree Bob

[21:44] <HostBob> it's a shame and a crime that some Christians won't have anything to do with others because of difference in opinion about spiritual gifts

[21:44] <VH-EZGuest> whats new in the world

[21:44] <VH-shelly> i'm ready for jesus to come back...i wonder how close we are?

[21:44] <VH-kimi> chosen, just that the words and examples i use to witness with may not be in the Bible but the idea, the truth is.

[21:44] <VH-Chosen> yes...that causes disunity in the Body of Christ

[21:45] <HostBob> Sure, EZ, we were talking about that before - go for it!

[21:45] <HostBob> Well, EZ....

[21:45] <VH-holywood> amen , we sure do need the lord , more than ever

[21:45] <VH-Chosen> if Christ is coming back for a spotless Bride, we must learn to be unified...cause disunity is a spot

[21:45] <HostBob> Clinton and Syria's leader Assad met yesterday...

[21:45] <HostBob> to try to work out differences to restart the "Syrian track" of the peace talks

[21:45] <VH-EZGuest> bob whats upeith that

[21:46] <VH-Chosen> well, kimi, the Lord speaks through us and our personality

[21:46] <HostBob> but they ran into a brick wall, not surprisingly

[21:46] <VH-MedicB> I don't think syria and Isreal will come to an agreement

[21:46] <VH-Chosen> we are just to be yielded vessels

[21:46] <HostBob> because Assad's demands are totally unreasonable for Israel to consider

[21:46] <VH-EZGuest> will this be the peace agreement predicted by daniel

[21:46] <HostBob> No, I don't think so either, Medic

[21:46] <VH-holywood> i think my beliefs are correct and won't accept anothers , but do respect others right to believe in their own doctrine

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[21:46] <VH-MedicB> not until the

[21:46] <VH-rain> kimi - Joyce Meyer describes it like- don't get hung up in legalism -once we know God's rules He wants us to live, it feel it, share it, etc.

[21:47] <VH-kimi> chosen, Amen, God Chaser.

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[21:47] <HostBob> As I mentioned earlier, I believe the Bible speaks of a future war between Israel and Syria

[21:47] <VH-MedicB> not until the Antichrist comes into the picture

[21:47] <HostBob> perhaps before, Medic

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[21:47] <HostBob> that's just my opinion

[21:47] <VH-EZGuest> whats and where are the scriptures on this war bob

[21:48] <VH-MedicB> Then he will try to make a deal for peace

[21:48] <HostBob> Isaiah 17

[21:48] <HostBob> some in Zechariah

[21:48] <VH-kimi> and the more we live it, share it, tell it - the more it bubbles up.

[21:48] <HostBob> I have an article on my website about it...

[21:48] <HostBob> www.trumpetsounds.com

[21:48] <VH-holywood> i thought the war was to be with russia , huh bob?

[21:48] <HostBob> Yes, Holywood...

[21:48] <VH-rain> kimi - you're absolutely right ... I'm a bubbler too

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[21:48] <HostBob> Eze 38 & 39 speak of a war with Russia

[21:49] <VH-Olive> just my opinion but I think the antichrist is here already I won't name him tho

[21:49] <VH-MedicB> Russia is waiting for the oportunity I think

[21:49] <HostBob> but this is a different war, I think

[21:49] <VH-holywood> okay so they will be with russia

[21:49] <HostBob> "An oracle concerning Damascus: "See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins."

[21:49] <VH-kimi> Praise God - this is exhilerating.....

[21:49] <VH-Bruny> Will Christ return for his church before this battle

[21:49] <HostBob> Isaiah 17:!

[21:49] <VH-joy> olive, go ahead and name him, we won't tell anybody.

[21:50] <HostBob> Bruny, I don't see a specific timetable for the Syria war

[21:50] <VH-MedicB> Will Isreal let Jerusalem be divided?

[21:50] <VH-rain> yeah it'll be our secret

[21:50] <VH-MedicB> more than it is now

[21:50] <HostBob> "The word of the LORD is against the land of Hadrach and will rest upon Damascus-- for the eyes of men and all the tribes of Israel are on the LORD--""and upon Hamath too, which borders on it, and upon Tyre and Sidon, though they are very skillful." (Zech 9:1-2)

[21:51] <VH-MedicB> God has promised Jerusalem to Isreal

[21:51] <VH-rain> come on olive give us a hint

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[21:51] <HostBob> Hamath is in Northern Syria

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[21:51] <VH-holywood> i hope that israel does realize that clinton doesn't care about peace as much as his legacy

[21:51] <VH-Olive> lol Daniel already named him

[21:51] <HostBob> and of course Tyre and Sidon in Lebanon

[21:51] <VH-joy> olive come on and share with us, we need to know who to look for.

[21:51] <VH-Chosen> i don't think olive wants to be stoned right now

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[21:52] <VH-EZGuest> daniel named who??????????

[21:52] <HostBob> though part of Zech 9 were fulflled by Alexander the Great...

[21:52] <VH-joy> where in Daniel, Olive?

[21:52] <HostBob> I believe there are future applications as well

[21:52] <VH-MedicB> Has anyone read revelation unveiled by Tim Lahaye?

[21:52] <VH-EZGuest> man i love the Bible.....woooooooooooooooo

[21:52] <HostBob> Yes, Medic, many promises about Jerusalem

[21:53] <HostBob> Yeah EZ!!! woooohooooo!

[21:53] <VH-joy> Olive, we're waiting!

[21:53] <VH-holywood> i haven't yet but i am going to read it soon

[21:53] <VH-snow> I have heard some people say 'they don't need to go to the prayer benches, that God can hear them from the pews. This is true, but why do we have the prayer benches??

[21:54] <VH-joy> Olive, at least tell us what book in Daniel

[21:54] <VH-MedicB> Its exciting to watch the events unfold in the Middle East and prophesy fulfilled

[21:54] <HostBob> God looks at our hearts, snow

[21:54] <VH-Chosen> a pharissee thing snow...religion!

[21:54] <VH-Olive> Part silver part iron and part clay

[21:54] <VH-EZGuest> part woooooooooooooooohooooooo

[21:54] <HostBob> we can be repentant or not in the pew, on the bench, wherever

[21:54] <VH-joy> so, who's that? Olive

[21:55] <VH-Chosen> that's right Bob...it is all a heart issue

[21:55] <VH-snow> chosen, what do you mean???????

[21:55] <HostBob> though there is something healthy about public acknowledgement that we are sorry before the Lord - so that we don't try to put on a false front, like we're cool :)

[21:56] <VH-Bruny> We do have to profess Him before men or he will not profess us to the Father, is that right

[21:56] <VH-Chosen> just that God can deal with our hearts anywhere...He may choose to wake us up in the night to get our hearts right...doen't have to be in a church building

[21:56] <HostBob> Yes, it is exciting, Medic!!!

[21:56] <VH-Olive> I guess I stirred up something, the next time I come on I will have my facts straight before I name him.

[21:56] <VH-holywood> name who

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[21:57] <HostBob> Listen to this, Medic!!! :

[21:57] <HostBob> "Therefore every teacher of the law who has been instructed about the kingdom of heaven is like the owner of a house who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old." - Jesus

[21:57] <HostBob> new treasures, buried treasures!

[21:57] <HostBob> all in the Scriptures, the Lord is waiting for us to dig for!!!!

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