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[20:09] <VCI-Stan> yes bob, his apology was in broad strokes -

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[20:09] <VH-midland> dresses in scarlet and purple

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[20:09] <VH-midland> has a golden cup in her hand

[20:09] <VCI-Stan> he did not mention the "H" word,

[20:09] <VH-Mark> I think it was like a sorrry but not sorry...

[20:09] <VH-Godchaser> Hello everyone

[20:09] <HostBob> To me, it seems a little empty (the apology) in light of their current stance on Jerusalem

[20:09] <VCI-Stan> the Holocaust

[20:10] <VCI-Stan> shalom Godcahser!

[20:10] <VH-lori> i repeat what I said last week, i do not trust the man or what he represents. midland is right on!

[20:10] <VH-midland> the pope has a golden chalice

[20:10] <HostBob> like, we are sorry for before, but no real repentance

[20:10] <VH-midland> trades in the souls of men

[20:10] <VH-Mark> yes...

[20:10] <VH-midland> what out

[20:10] <VCI-Stan> the reigning pope was very quiet during the holocaust

[20:10] <VH-midland> watch out

[20:10] <HostBob> Worse than quiet......

[20:10] <VCI-Stan> some say he collaborated with the nazis

[20:11] <HostBob> after the war the Vatican smuggled known Nazis out of Europe

[20:11] <VH-midland> thats cause he had hittler doing everything for him

[20:11] <HostBob> But - the God of Israel is in charge, regardless of man's plans!

[20:12] <VH-Godchaser> Alright so what is everyone chatting about tonight?

[20:12] <VH-imbecomingnew> how can you truly know someones heart

[20:12] <HostBob> He will install His king on His holy mountain! (Psalm 2)

[20:12] <VH-Mark> I have a question though >>/???

[20:12] <VCI-Stan> imbecomingnew-we can't

[20:12] <HostBob> Yes, Mark?

[20:12] <VH-Godchaser> Isn't the God of all not just Isreal?

[20:12] <VCI-Stan> but we can see th efruit of a leader's life

[20:12] <VH-Mark> H ave we done much better?

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[20:12] <VH-imbecomingnew> so maybe he is repenting as best he can for the sins of the people in the past

[20:12] <HostBob> Good question, chaser? anyone want to give it a shot?

[20:13] <VCI-Stan> mark-no-the protestant church has done little better

[20:13] <VCI-Stan> well chaser - the Bible calls Him the God of Israel

[20:13] <VH-Godchaser> Yes but he is the God of all also

[20:14] <VCI-Stan> I ain't heard Him called the God of South Africa (my country) :-)

[20:14] <VH-Mark> so we are as guilty isn't it...?

[20:14] <HostBob> He is the "Lord of the whole earth".... but He is called the "God of Israel" because He chose Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to reveal Himself to the world, with a special covenant with them

[20:14] <VH-EZGuest> He is the GOD of all, but He is the God of Israel, his chosen people. we are of Israel, too, because we have been grafted in.

[20:14] <VCI-Stan> amen ZE

[20:14] <VCI-Stan> EZ

[20:14] <HostBob> Amen, EZ

[20:14] <VH-lori> Godchaser, yes God is the God of all but his plan evolves around Israel & in order to see the prophecies come to pass, we must keep an eye on Israel.

[20:15] <VH-Godchaser> I don't think it matters where you are from that you are chosen to be God's people

[20:15] <HostBob> Yes, Lori

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[20:15] <HostBob> true, chaser....

[20:15] <VH-Mark> I agree ..but how many Christians do you know that really idetify with our brethern ..the Jewish people..???

[20:15] <VH-midland> I got frozen up, YES God has everything under control he is still on the throne

[20:15] <VH-Godchaser> It is said in the bible when Jeus returns everyone will see him all at once not just Israel

[20:16] <VH-lori> Not many Mark, here is the wisdom. That is why I love this site!

[20:16] <HostBob> Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism

[20:16] <HostBob> but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right. (Acts 10:34-35 NIV)

[20:16] <VCI-Stan> yes Godchaser - but He is coming to Jerusalem

[20:16] <VCI-Stan> and He will rule and reign from here

[20:16] <VH-Godchaser> Oh really??

[20:16] <VH-midland> there is neither jew nor gentile all are one in Christ

[20:16] <VH-Godchaser> Well my Jesus comes to everyone

[20:16] <VH-Mark> AME>>>>! but we go to a lot furder than just words...

[20:17] <VH-midland> he is the corner stone that brings us together

[20:17] <HostBob> Yes, according to Zechariah, His feet will come down on the Mount of Olives...

[20:17] <VH-Godchaser> Not just certain lands or people

[20:17] <HostBob> the same place from which He left

[20:17] <HostBob> (not far from Stan's house) <g>

[20:17] <VH-imbecomingnew> you know that he choose to be Isreals god is because He created the nation from the only rightous man he could at the time.

[20:17] <VH-midland> how wonderful bob

[20:17] <VH-Godchaser> No matter where he come it doesn't make the people who live there automatically chosen people

[20:17] <HostBob> Yes, it is wonderful!!

[20:17] <VCI-Stan> Godchaser-the Bible says the Jews are is chosen people

[20:18] <VCI-Stan> if you believe the Bible you have to go with this

[20:18] <VH-midland> adam was the blood line through to Christ

[20:18] <VH-Godchaser> So why do Jews deny Jesus?

[20:18] <HostBob> They were chosen, chaser, but as Paul says, their unbelief does not invalidate the promises of God

[20:18] <VH-midland> not all of them do

[20:18] <VH-Mark> here is another question....Why does Israel have to keep giving out the land....????

[20:18] <HostBob> For the same reason anyone does, chaser, unbelief, pride, desiring to hold to the things of the world instead

[20:19] <HostBob> Any takers on Mark's question?

[20:19] <VH-Godchaser> I say that there isn't a certain land for the chosen people and that a land isn't more holy then another from where they are from

[20:19] <VH-midland> and it is only PART blindness and if they were not in part blindness i would not be saved to day, salvation is of the jew, may God bless them alway

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[20:19] <VCI-Stan> shalom score

[20:19] <HostBob> Amen, Midland - excellent

[20:20] <VH-imbecomingnew> hello, score

[20:20] <VH-score> shalom

[20:20] <HostBob> Anyone want to venture on Mark's question why Israel keeps giving up land?

[20:20] <VCI-Stan> Mark-Israel keeps on giving away land because of the pressure she is under

[20:20] <VH-Mark> Israel willsoon look like a zwiss cheese cake ..and it is so tiny...

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[20:20] <VCI-Stan> and because of her desperate desire for peace

[20:20] <HostBob> Yes, Mark

[20:20] <VCI-Stan> shalom ruth

[20:20] <VH-lori> chaser, the Bible tells us in the last days God will open Israels eyes & they will know the truth. But Israel is God's country & he will bring us all home in his time. Stan, you are sooo lucky. But I pray for you in the "hot seat" too.

[20:20] <VH-midland> to full fill Gods Word

[20:20] <VH-imbecomingnew> it is always to seek peace

[20:20] <VH-score> hello imbe

[20:20] <VH-Godchaser> Why is Irael the topic of disscussion ???

[20:21] <VCI-Stan> lori - thankyou!:)

[20:21] <HostBob> chaser - Bible prophecy revolves around Israel

[20:21] <VH-Godchaser> What???

[20:21] <HostBob> take a survey, for example, of the prophetic books from Isaiah through Malachi

[20:21] <VH-midland> anyone who hates jews hates the Lord Jesus Christ

[20:21] <VH-Mark> Like the palestinians could go to live in soudi Arabia and they would be hardly noticed....!!!!

[20:21] <VH-Godchaser> Everything should revolve around Jesus Christ no matter what land

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[20:21] <HostBob> all speak of Israel as central to God's plan

[20:21] <VCI-Stan> hi arrowstar

[20:22] <VH-Arrowstar244> hi all

[20:22] <VH-Mark> Right??????

[20:22] <VH-Godchaser> God's Plan is for everyone to follow him no matter what land you live.

[20:22] <VCI-Stan> mark-the Palestinians have a right to live in this land, acording to the Bible

[20:22] <VH-Arrowstar244> 244? no

[20:22] <HostBob> Chaser, it does revolve around Jesus - he was sent as the Messiah of Israel, King of the Jews

[20:22] <VH-midland> Israel is somethinghi arrow

[20:22] <VH-EZGuest> even Jesus Christ wept over Jerusalem

[20:22] <VH-Arrowstar244> are most of you from Israel

[20:22] <VCI-Stan> and Israel is commanded to take care of them

[20:22] <VH-Mark> they do because of Shahul ...right..?

[20:22] <HostBob> that is the basis of our faith, believing that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah of Israel)

[20:22] <VH-midland> hi arrow

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[20:23] <VH-Godchaser> Jesus wept when people denied him

[20:23] <VH-midland> AMEN bob

[20:23] <VH-Arrowstar244> Hi ARE YOU ALL FROM ISRAEL

[20:23] <VH-midland> perth western australia

[20:23] <VH-Godchaser> Your topic of disscusion should be the wonders Jesus does for you not what kind of land you live on

[20:23] <HostBob> What time is it there, Midland? <g>

[20:23] <VH-Mark> nope just jewish at heart...

[20:23] <VH-midland> 9:26 am

[20:24] <VH-lori> No, some of us are from the "good ole usa" well, maybe not so good. that is yet to be seen.

[20:24] <VH-Ruth> Lord said to Abraham.....I will bless those who bless you (and his seed)>>>>

[20:24] <HostBob> Yes, Chaser, Jesus does wonders for us... and He has provided salvation for all who repent and believe

[20:24] <VH-midland> to separate Israel from Jesus is like trying to cut your arm of, I LOVE JEWS

[20:24] <VH-Arrowstar244> oh I did nt realize for some reason the computer put 244 by me

[20:24] <HostBob> But the Bible also speaks of God's grand plan for human history, and Israel is a large part of that

[20:24] <VH-lori> Right on, Mark. Jewish at heart, grafted into the vine.

[20:24] <VH-Arrowstar244> AMEN MIDLAND

[20:24] <TJTODD> Hi everyone what are you talking about tonight

[20:24] <VH-Godchaser> Well the Jews here are still waiting on their Messiah

[20:25] <VH-Mark> AMEN lori...

[20:25] <HostBob> Well, Todd.. we started talking about the Pope's visit....

[20:25] <VCI-Stan> just to clarify about the Palestinian Arabs - they forfeit their right to live in this land if they refuse to live under Jewish sovereignty or support violence against the Jews

[20:25] <VH-lori> Hi tj!

[20:25] <VH-score> some do know the Messiah

[20:25] <VH-EZGuest> pray for the peace of Jerusalem, they shall prosper that bless thee

[20:25] <HostBob> and now are discussing the place of Israel in God's plan...

[20:25] <VH-Godchaser> Some..

[20:25] <VH-Arrowstar244> do you think the pope's visit has something to do witht he antic hrist

[20:25] <HostBob> and whatever else you would like to talk about :)

[20:25] <VH-midland> amen guest

[20:25] <TJTODD> Hi lori and everyone

[20:25] <HostBob> What do you think, Arrow?

[20:25] <VCI-Stan> arrowstar - yes, i do

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[20:26] <VH-Ruth> I too am part of the the wild olive brach

[20:26] <VH-Godchaser> GodMy God's plan is to have everyone following his way

[20:26] <VH-Arrowstar244> I think it does

[20:26] <VCI-Stan> shalom son of the son

[20:26] <VH-Arrowstar244> I think it is a set up

[20:26] <VH-Arrowstar244> does anyone agree

[20:26] <VH-Son_of_the_Son> Good afternoon everyone

[20:26] <VH-Son_of_the_Son> Hello stan

[20:26] <HostBob> Paul says " the secret power of lawlessness is now at work" - the plans to rebel against the Lord

[20:26] <VH-imbecomingnew> good evening son

[20:26] <TJTODD> hi son of the son

[20:26] <VH-Mark> I am sure Y'shua loves Palestinias believers and I dio to.... but those are not what we are talking about here,,...

[20:26] <VCI-Stan> the spirit of antichrist is behind the vatican's agenda in the middle east

[20:26] <VH-Son_of_the_Son> Hello imbecomingnew

[20:26] <VH-Arrowstar244> heartbreaking.....come Lord Jesus

[20:27] <VCI-Stan> which is to deprive the Jews of their restored land and city

[20:27] <VH-Arrowstar244> DO YOU THINK THE POPE IS SAVED?

[20:27] <VH-midland> I would be more worried about them trying to pretent to apologize, the whore of revelation is a lier

[20:27] <VH-Arrowstar244> I hear he speaks in tongues

[20:27] <VH-Son_of_the_Son> I am new to this site, may I ask a question?

[20:27] <HostBob> From today's Jerusalem Post:

[20:27] <VH-imbecomingnew> i think he is, i have listened to him, he seems genuine

[20:27] <HostBob> (Jerusalem Post) The Palestinians expect the pope to express support for their national aspirations and to declare that he sees Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state, Palestinians leaders said today. They were quoted by Israel Radio. The Palestinian leaders, including Faisal Husseini and Hanan Ashrawi, held a news conference at Orient House in east Jerusalem. A hot-air balloon with the Palestinian and Vatican banners was flying above the building during the news conference,

[20:27] <HostBob> the report said.

[20:27] <VH-Mark> I doubt it.... that he is saved...

[20:27] <HostBob> YEs, SOn, go ahead

[20:27] <VH-lori> no, i do not think the pope is saved. He may think he can save himself.

[20:28] <VH-score> did i hear correctly that the pope want to give palestine rights to land

[20:28] <VH-EZGuest> Yes, I wonder why the pope is visiting Israel, I read somewhere that the pope has only been to Israel twice this century. Why now?

[20:28] <VH-score> or maybe give them statehool

[20:28] <VH-midland> he need to repent

[20:28] <VH-Son_of_the_Son> I have a friend who needs a copy of the Lords Prayer printed out, where can I find one on this site?

[20:29] <VH-Arrowstar244> I think the next pope will not be a good one

[20:29] <VCI-Stan> EZGuest-the vatican's "recognition" of Israel and the Pope's visit are tied up with the Oslo "peace" process

[20:29] <VH-midland> where there any good popes

[20:29] <VH-Arrowstar244> ?

[20:29] <HostBob> You can find it at Matthew 6:9-13, Son...

[20:29] <VH-score> that is why i continure to pray for this pope arrow

[20:29] <VH-Arrowstar244> It is not my job to judge......amen score

[20:29] <VH-Son_of_the_Son> God Bless you Bob, and thank you

[20:30] <VH-Mark> I have to go guys.../ girls...shalom...!!!!

[20:30] <VH-midland> yes he is a sinner in need of the Lord Jesus Christ

[20:30] <HostBob> You're welcome :)

[20:30] <VCI-Stan> bye mark

[20:30] <VH-Arrowstar244> I just pray there will be revival in the Catholic church

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[20:30] <VH-Arrowstar244> bye mark

[20:30] <HostBob> Shalom, Mark! Thanks for joining!

[20:30] <VH-Mark> good night all....

[20:30] <TJTODD> shalom mark

[20:30] <VH-lori> bye, mark

[20:30] <VH-Mark> BLESSINGS...

[20:30] <VH-Son_of_the_Son> good night

[20:30] <VH-Arrowstar244> true revival

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[20:31] <VH-midland> I pray they will heed Gods Word where he tells his people to come OUT from amoungst them

[20:31] <VH-Arrowstar244> amen midland

[20:31] <VH-score> there are many believing catholics

[20:31] <VH-score> the whole world needs revival

[20:31] <VH-Son_of_the_Son> It was nice sharing this time with all of you. Gods continued blessings on your lives and I will look for later.

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[20:31] <VH-score> true revival

[20:31] <VH-Arrowstar244> yes my mom is catholic and prayed for salvation last week

[20:31] <VH-score> our state needs revival

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[20:31] <VH-Arrowstar244> PRAISE THE LORD

[20:32] <HostBob> I came across a Bible prophecy today.. that I believe will be fulfilled this week :)

[20:32] <VH-midland> this ecumenicalism is the harlot churches becoming one with the vatican, God wants his people not to be come united with them

[20:32] <VH-Arrowstar244> what is it BOB

[20:32] <HostBob> The Palestinians plan to use the meeting on the Temple Mount....

[20:32] <VH-Arrowstar244> oh wow

[20:32] <HostBob> to raise their flags and "roar" their claims for God's holy hill

[20:33] <HostBob> Here is the verse...

[20:33] <VH-midland> how sad bob

[20:33] <VH-Arrowstar244> can anyone pray?

[20:33] <HostBob> Your foes have roared within your holy place; they set up their emblems there. (Psalm 74:4)

[20:33] <VH-lori> I agree with you midland. Think is when you study out most of our churches today we find they all come from the catholic church.

[20:33] <VH-score> wow bob

[20:33] <HostBob> Another translation: Your foes roared in the place where you met with us; they set up their standards as signs.

[20:33] <VCI-Stan> right on Bob

[20:33] <TJTODD> you're right lori

[20:34] <HostBob> The "meeting place" is God's holy hill, the Temple Mount

[20:34] <VH-Arrowstar244> can anyone pray for me?

[20:34] <HostBob> and the emblems and standards are the Palestinian flags

[20:34] <VCI-Stan> yes, the place God has chosen to put His Name forever

[20:34] <VH-lori> thanx tj

[20:34] <VH-midland> and mixing with them I think this tongue speaking is what is convincing people he is saved

[20:34] <VH-EZGuest> scary but exciting, all in one

[20:35] <HostBob> Who will pray with Arrow?

[20:35] <VH-Arrowstar244> I had someone say a prophecy over me last night and it was not correct

[20:35] <HostBob> Yes, we can, Arrow

[20:35] <TJTODD> but, what tongues is he speaking ?

[20:35] <VH-lori> I will pray with arrow!

[20:35] <VH-EZGuest> arrowstar, what do u need prayer for?

[20:35] <VH-midland> they have this belief that if you speak in tongues your saved

[20:35] <HostBob> Thanks, Lori!!

[20:35] <VCI-Stan> arrow, double-click on my name to the left

[20:35] <VH-midland> todd it a lie from the pit

[20:36] <HostBob> To continue with Psalm 74....

[20:36] <HostBob> it is an impassioned plea for the Lord to look upon the place of the Temple....

[20:36] <TJTODD> what's a lie from the pit Midland?

[20:36] <VH-midland> the word toungue is another word for language

[20:36] <HostBob> and consider His promises to His people, and act

[20:36] <HostBob> I would recommend you read it - good stuff

[20:36] <VH-midland> tongue speaking

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[20:37] <HostBob> It is very relevant to today

[20:37] <TJTODD> the speaking in tongues Midland?

[20:37] <VH-imbecomingnew> what do you mean tongue speaking

[20:37] <HostBob> Welcome, Ketla!

[20:37] <VH-midland> yes

[20:37] <VH-Ketla> Thanks.

[20:37] <VH-Ruth> shalom, Ye'varechecha Adonai v'yishmerecha, l'cha shalom

[20:37] <VH-midland> no body knows what your saying

[20:38] <HostBob> Once again, this is any open forum, anyone is welcome to contribute a topic :)

[20:38] <HostBob> an, that is :)

[20:38] <VH-Ketla> Hebrew in the Roman alphabet. What a concept. :)

[20:38] <HostBob> Hey, Ruth, could ya translate for us goyim? <g>

[20:38] <TJTODD> I'll pray for arrow too !

[20:38] <VCI-Stan> About the Temple Mount, there is another Pslam that holds a wonderful promise

[20:38] <HostBob> Yes, Stan?

[20:39] <VCI-Stan> Ps 46:4

[20:39] <TJTODD> Ruth are you Jewish?

[20:39] <VCI-Stan> 4There is a river whose streams shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacle of the Most High.

[20:39] <VH-Ruth> peoples

[20:39] <VCI-Stan> (NKJ)

[20:39] <VH-Ketla> Here's an idea: who thinks Russia's going to stop declining before long, and start gaining power till the day they will attack Israel?

[20:39] <VCI-Stan> the context of that Psalm is an earthquake

[20:39] <VH-midland> God has certainly NOT finished with his people HEY

[20:39] <VCI-Stan> and the cleansing of the Temple Mount

[20:39] <VH-lori> speaking in tongues is talked about in the Bible, midland, but you also have to try the spirits be sure they are correct. The Bible is very specific about what & how speaking in tongues are done. Also, when you take on Christ, don't you speak a new tongue? Kind of cleans things up so to speak?

[20:39] <HostBob> That's a plausible theory, Ketla - anyone have any thoughts on that?

[20:40] <HostBob> I have read, Ketla, that Putin (the new PM) is moving in that direction

[20:40] <TJTODD> right on lori !

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[20:40] <HostBob> Welcome, Jazene!

[20:41] <TJTODD> hi Jazene

[20:41] <VH-midland> lori your welcome to your view, i got caught up in it for years, and I found I was not rightly deviding the Word of truth.

[20:41] <HostBob> Psalm 46 is one of my favs, Stan

[20:41] <VH-Ketla> I heard someone say that Russia can't decline too much more, or it will implode on itself.

[20:41] <HostBob> Certainly a prophetic psalm

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[20:41] <VH-lori> I've heard that Russia was going to attack Israel & where the world ruler was coming from all my life. Then she was dissolved & now maybe making a comeback. I don't know. I beleive the catholic church is the one to really watch.

[20:41] <HostBob> Their economy has been in tatters for years, Ketla

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[20:42] <VH-EZGuest> yes, and they are blaming the jews for it too, bob

[20:42] <VCI-Stan> yes it is Bob, and according to both Ezekiel and some professors at the Hebrew University today, there is a river running deep under the Temple Mount

[20:42] <HostBob> Lori, many Bible commentators believe that the multi-national invasion of Isreal described in Ezekiel 38 and 39 will be lead by Russia

[20:42] <HostBob> Yes, EZ

[20:42] <TJTODD> Midland, who told you that you weren't rightly dividing the word ?

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[20:42] <VH-EZGuest> terror out of the north

[20:43] <HostBob> a familiar theme of history - blame the Jews

[20:43] <VH-jazene> what does anyone think about the Pope coming over there

[20:44] <VCI-Stan> jazene-i think his visit is meant for bad, not good

[20:44] <HostBob> We were talking about that earlier, Jazene - the consensus is that it's not a good thing, that it is certainly playing into the hands of the Palestinian propoganda

[20:44] <VCI-Stan> hi wadu

[20:44] <VH-EZGuest> I agree with Stan

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[20:44] <HostBob> From an AP news report today: (AP) Earlier today, Palestinians at the Orient House, the PLO headquarters in east Jerusalem, displayed a Palestinian flag together with a Vatican flag on a 10-foot-tall balloon tethered just above the building. They also unfurled a banner that read:

[20:44] <HostBob> ''Jerusalem the eternal Palestinian capital welcomes the pope.'

[20:44] <VCI-Stan> as Bob said earlier, the john paul is to meet with PLO representatives on the Temple Mount

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[20:45] <VH-lori> I've been caught up in it too, midland also for many years. and yes, you are right about alot of it. But I still think there is a tongue just between you & God. I have felt it & I know it wasn't false with me. Yet, I admit, I have seen the falseness of it also & I cand understand where you are coming from.

[20:45] <VCI-Stan> hi maggie

[20:45] <VH-maggiet43> hi stan

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[20:45] <VH-lori> hi maggie, welcome

[20:46] <HostBob> Though the enemies of God mean it for evil, God has a way of turning things around to accomplish His ultimate purposes!

[20:46] <VCI-Stan> yasser arafat has for years been working towards the pope's visit

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[20:46] <VCI-Stan> amen bob!

[20:46] <VH-maggiet43> thank you lori, first time in here

[20:46] <HostBob> Welcome to the newcomers - please feel free to join in!

[20:46] <VH-imbecomingnew> amen bob

[20:46] <VH-lori> my first time last week. Now everyone is family.

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[20:46] <HostBob> Any relevant topics or comments welcome!

[20:46] <HostBob> Yes, Lori :)

[20:47] <HostBob> Here's what I think about the Pope and PLO on the Temple Mount:

[20:47] <VH-kimmy> what do you aal think about he end times?

[20:47] <HostBob> This arrogant assault on God's holy hill will arouse the deep passion and jealousy of the God of Israel, who says: "I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill." Jesus, the Son of God and Messiah of Israel will rule from Zion, regardless of the plots of those who hate Him. 'This is what the LORD Almighty says: "I am very jealous for Zion; I am burning with jealousy for her." This is what the LORD says: "I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the

[20:47] <HostBob> City of Truth, and the mountain of the LORD Almighty will be called the Holy Mountain." (Zechariah 8:2-3 NIV)

[20:47] <VH-score> so does yaser belive the pope is behind him and his dealings

[20:47] <VCI-Stan> arafat believes that with the "Christian" world backing his illegitimate (Muslim) claim to Jerusalem, the Jews won't be able to keep him from getting their city

[20:48] <VCI-Stan> well, the pope is, by his own hand, signed just a few weeks ago

[20:48] <HostBob> Soon, Kimmy - Jesus told us He is coming soon :)

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[20:48] <VH-lori> Amen Bob!

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[20:48] <VCI-Stan> amen, come quickly, LordJesus

[20:48] <VH-midland> was frozen out again hope i did not miss much

[20:48] <TJTODD> who in the christian world is backing arafat ?

[20:49] <HostBob> Todd, it depends on how you define "Christian"

[20:49] <VCI-Stan> millions of Christians - sadly

[20:49] <VH-lori> does that "freezing out" happen alot?

[20:49] <VCI-Stan> yes it does Bob

[20:49] <VH-midland> AMEN BOB

[20:49] <VH-imbecomingnew> any time we are silent, it is mistaken as empahy

[20:49] <VH-maggiet43> Bob, people are saying that we are in the end of the end times, but how can we know just how close that is, some of my friends say it is imminent

[20:49] <HostBob> in the true sense, no Christian should back Arafat

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[20:49] <VH-midland> yes lori,

[20:49] <VCI-Stan> the Pope represents the largest "church" - over 1 billion

[20:50] <HostBob> Magg, we know it is close because so many things are happening in fulfillment of the Scriptures...

[20:50] <VCI-Stan> and to the Israeli, those 1 billion are all Christians

[20:50] <VH-lori> Not me! I back Israel all the way, even if it seems wrong to the rest of the world. She is the home of my King & I plan on being with him there one day!

[20:50] <HostBob> we don't know how close, but we need to be ready regardless

[20:50] <VH-imbecomingnew> amen lori

[20:50] <VH-midland> AMEN again Bob

[20:50] <VH-score> amen lori

[20:50] <TJTODD> i'm sure not with arafat

[20:50] <VH-midland> good on ya lori

[20:51] <HostBob> I don't know how a "Christian" who reads the many many many promises of God to Israel can be confused on this, if we take God at His word

[20:51] <VH-jazene> This is probably going to sound totally stupid because I am quite the lay person I probably don't know a tenth of what you people do but I often wonder why but I suppose I already know the answer to my own question. But here goes. We already know what the outcome of this all is so why do we fret so? When we know that through Jesus Christ we wil be spending forever with him.

[20:51] <VH-midland> so true bob

[20:51] <VCI-Stan> and it's not just the RC church - many, many protestants still embrace replacement theology-

[20:51] <HostBob> Good question, Jazene!

[20:51] <HostBob> any takers on her question?

[20:51] <VH-score> so our prayer muct be that out Lord and soon coming king will reign mightily in the heart of the true believer

[20:52] <HostBob> We do know the outcome, and should not "fret"

[20:52] <HostBob> Amen, Score

[20:52] <VH-midland> stan what replacement theology?

[20:52] <HostBob> Any other comments on her question?

[20:52] <VH-imbecomingnew> amen score

[20:52] <VH-lori> Bob, I think it is because so many people listen to what "others" tell them instead of studying it out for themself. I would never have known if I hadn't started looking things up at the library instead of the church I was attending at the time.

[20:52] <HostBob> Yes, we must KNOW THE SCRIPTURES!!!

[20:53] <TJTODD> right again lori

[20:53] <HostBob> We need to know what God has said, for ourselves, not 2nd hand

[20:53] <VH-midland> jaze I get real excited and want other people to know I am not worried

[20:53] <VH-kimmy> yes known yourscriptures

[20:53] <HostBob> We have no reason for worry or fear - the Lord is with us, regardless of what happens

[20:53] <VH-midland> AMEN bob

[20:54] <VH-midland> perfect love casts out fear

[20:54] <VH-imbecomingnew> he is our God, and we are his people, we have nothing to fear

[20:54] <TJTODD> the word says study to show yourselves approved a workman that needeth not to be ashamed!

[20:54] <VH-maggiet43> I have been told to study the last three chapters of Zechariah to find out more about the role of Israel's position today in relation to the second coming, would you agree?

[20:54] <HostBob> But when we see these things.. we are to petition and plead with the Lord to accomplish what He has already promised

[20:54] <VH-lori> jazene, I am not fretting. I am excited! I feel my Lord is coming soon, but i also fear for those that do not understand what is happening right before their eyes.

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[20:54] <VCI-Stan> i'd like to take a shot - jazene, Bible believers who lived during the second world war, and who heard about what was happening to the Jews of Europe could have taken the position - well, God is in charge, and it will all work out ok in the end. my understanding is that the Christian with this belief and knowledge sshould still have entreated the LORD day and night to put an end to what Hitler was doing. We all have a part to play, and the Bible commands us

[20:55] <VH-score> our fear is not for ourselves and our worry we place in Gods hands it is those left behind that we pray for

[20:55] <HostBob> Yes, Magg, they are very good, but I would not limit it to that :)

[20:55] <HostBob> There is so much hidden treasure throughout the Bible :)

[20:55] <VH-midland> its like being a the movies, not that i have been for a long time LOL but it nearing the end and you just cant wait, because you know its a happy ending Us with our saviour

[20:55] <VH-imbecomingnew> amen stan

[20:55] <HostBob> Yes, Midland!!!

[20:55] <VH-farrell> Amen, Stan, has anyone read "Hitler's Cross" by Erwin Lutzer?

[20:56] <VH-EZGuest> Jesus said, my peace I leave with you, not as the world, give I unto you. I will keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on me.

[20:56] <VH-lori> Aneb, midland!

[20:56] <VCI-Stan> midland - replacement theology = the belief that the Church replacd Israel as God's chosen people

[20:56] <VH-midland> MY bags are packed and i am ready to go

[20:56] <HostBob> The hope of our calling, that we will soon be with Jesus and marvel at His glory is the thing that motivates us to stay true to Him!

[20:56] <VH-midland> how evil Stan

[20:56] <HostBob> Amen EZ!

[20:56] <VH-maggiet43> thanks Bob, I know that I mustn't just focus on one part, but need to look at the Bible anf God's promises as a whole

[20:56] <VH-midland> amen bob

[20:56] <VCI-Stan> yes midland-and yet embracd and taught by most of christendom for 2000 years

[20:57] <VH-imbecomingnew> the church did not replace israel in Gods eyes, he just made a way for the rest of us

[20:57] <HostBob> Yes, Magg, I enjoy looking into all of the prophectic books of the OT, from Isaiah to Malachi - so much in there that God has said about the future

[20:57] <VH-midland> how horrible stan

[20:57] <TJTODD> midland who told you that you weren't rightly dividing the word?

[20:57] <HostBob> Yes, IM :)

[20:58] <VH-jazene> Without a doubt we indeed must know the scriptures. Becuase without the word we would not know the outcome of the situation. Of course I realize that we must spread his word but at the same time I have found so many "christians" who do not even pay attention to what is happening around them they are not preparing. And I find it so hard to believe that these church going "christians" do not even care. So I just quit.

[20:58] <VH-imbecomingnew> that was his plan from the beginning

[20:58] <VH-lori> It is my understanding "the church" gets this theory because the catholic church was supposedly built "on the rock" that Jesus was talking to Peter about. Funny thing is, nobody ever mentioned the symbolical meaning of the rock! Upone studying it out I found the rock is the belief in God's master plan !

[20:58] <TJTODD> i tried you ask you while ago midland but I got knocked off/

[20:59] <HostBob> It's easy to want to quit when we see complacency around us...

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[20:59] <VCI-Stan> no jazene - please don't quit!

[20:59] <HostBob> but God has a part for all of us to play, in sharing His word and waking people up.

[20:59] <VH-midland> well I looked at it all and went to ask the otherside so to speak and sat down and looked a the scriptures properly, I guess thing didnt seem to add up, Like i had never seen any one phsically raised from the dead but a gift that acording to the word was a lesser one at that, being put on the throne

[21:00] <VH-lori> I quit too jazene. Another reason why I love this site. fellowship!

[21:00] <VCI-Stan> jazene- we need tyo look at Jesus, NOT at our fellow Christians, who are all siners, as we are

[21:00] <HostBob> Because Jesus is always with us, and His Spirit dwells in us, He will make us prepared for whatever mission He calls us to, regardless of the response of others

[21:00] <HostBob> You all are familiar with Isaiah's famous vision where God called Him, right?

[21:00] <VH-jazene> Although I quit going to church I did not quit talking and encourging and praising his Holy Name trying to spread his word and warnings.

[21:00] <TJTODD> the catholic came out about the same time Constantine changed everything that was suppose to be jewish into his way

[21:00] <VH-maggiet43> that is so true Bob, Jazine and lori, keep looking to Jesus

[21:00] <VH-score> never give up, just as the Holy Spirit spoke to our hearts about walking closer he also speaks to the heart of believers today and the eyes of their hearts will oopen

[21:01] <HostBob> Where he said "Here I am, send me?"

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[21:01] <VH-lori> Right on tj!!

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[21:01] <HostBob> Did you know, that when Isaiah had the vision (chapter 6) when God called him...

[21:01] <VCI-Stan> yes tj, spot on

[21:01] <TJTODD> thanks lori

[21:01] <VH-midland> constantine did mingle church and state and paganism and we have a real mess today

[21:01] <VH-jazene> thank you maggiet43

[21:01] <HostBob> That the Lord told him right then that his ministry would be a failure, that no one would listen?

[21:02] <HostBob> Check it out :)

[21:02] <HostBob> And yet Isaiah was hardly a failure :)

[21:02] <VH-midland> so true bob

[21:02] <TJTODD> right on Midland

[21:02] <VCI-Stan> yes, what a relief :-)

[21:03] <HostBob> Looks like our "official" one hour session is up...

[21:03] <HostBob> but we will keep going :)

[21:03] <VH-imbecomingnew> God is at work in his church today, that is you and I, to make her into his spotless Bride

[21:03] <HostBob> We are very glad that you all have joined us tonight!

[21:03] <TJTODD> there is so much paganism in the church world today

[21:03] <VH-midland> oh well bob I have enjoyed my self again thankyou so much

[21:03] <VH-lori> Constantine & the pope got together and changed EVERYTHING around! That is where christmas came from, sunday sabbath, just about all of what the churches teach today. They don't even know!!

[21:03] <HostBob> And stick around for awhile longer, if you like :)

[21:03] <HostBob> That's great, midland, and I've enjoyed your comments on the forum also :)

[21:03] <VH-midland> lori your right baal worship

[21:03] <TJTODD> right on again lori

[21:03] <VH-imbecomingnew> thanks bob

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[21:04] <HostBob> Welcome, Windchimes!

[21:04] <VH-windchimes> Hi

[21:04] <VH-jazene> Yes Bob I have really enjoyed this hour it has passed so quickly. This is my first chat here but I surley will return again.

[21:04] <VCI-Stan> another prophetic event is set to take place on Sunday, the same day the pope desecrates the Temple Mount. Wana know?

[21:04] <HostBob> We hope you do, Jazene!

[21:04] <HostBob> Yes, Stan, tell us

[21:04] <VH-lori> I agree with you tj, that is why I can't hardly go to a church today. Some things I do really miss: the music, worship, etc.

[21:04] <VH-jazene> yes maggiet43 I would really enjoy that

[21:05] <VCI-Stan> Pres Clinton is to meet with Assad in Geneva to spur him on in his qust to take the Golan Heights away from Israel

[21:05] <VH-midland> lori alot of people dont look into the root system of things i say if the jews were not aloud to do what right do we have today to think God has changed his mined on Baal worship

[21:05] <TJTODD> what about Zeus the sun god, who's birthday just happens to be on Dec.25

[21:05] <VCI-Stan> You American believers better get to praying!

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[21:06] <VH-jazene> maggiet43 I am unfamiliar with how to do 1-1 so please tell me

[21:06] <VCI-Stan> God does not look lightly on the efforts to divide up His land

[21:06] <VH-midland> todd and lori you are spot on

[21:06] <HostBob> Yes, Stan, Clinton is betraying the US by betraying Israel

[21:06] <VH-windchimes> righton

[21:06] <VCI-Stan> I'm not American, but my prayers are with you, for mercy on your land

[21:06] <VH-midland> they dont want the land they just want to get rid of all jews

[21:06] <VH-lori> That's right, tj. That is who Constantine worshipped. He didn't like letting the Hebrew have their own holy day, so he & the pope got together to come up with one day for both to celebrate on. Guess who won!

[21:07] <VH-farrell> Stan, is the pope's visit prophysied?

[21:07] <TJTODD> has anybody taken a look at Zeus the sun god he looks alot like the pictures alot of americans have hanging in their house

[21:07] <HostBob> Look at what has happend to the other great powers that treated Israel poorly: Spain, Great Britain, Russia - all a mere shadow of their past power

[21:07] <VH-midland> todd it would not surprise me, i am passed being surprised

[21:07] <VCI-Stan> farrell-Bob gave us a good scripture arlier on that might well be referring to this visit. Bob, can you paste it in again please?

[21:07] <VH-jazene> Just pray also that Al Gore is not elected president either

[21:07] <VH-Redeemed> You can add Egypt to that list..

[21:07] <TJTODD> the pictures are suppose to be of the lord Jesus

[21:08] <HostBob> Yes, in Psalm 74....

[21:08] <VH-farrell> thanks

[21:08] <HostBob> we were speaking of the Pope and Arafat on the Temple Mount...

[21:08] <VH-midland> i wouldnt have a picture of the Lord in my house cause no one knows what he looks like

[21:08] <HostBob> and the Palestinians raising their flags there on God's holy hill...

[21:08] <VH-lori> I know tj, so sad! Of course we want to see what our King looks like, but again, the pictures come from Constantine.

[21:08] <VH-farrell> you referred to the pope descretating the temple mount? explain?

[21:09] <HostBob> and roaring their claims to possess the site...

[21:09] <VCI-Stan> definitely the spirit behind the pope's visit is in opposition to God's purposes of restoration

[21:09] <HostBob> Your foes have roared within your holy place; they set up their emblems there. (Psalms 74:4)

[21:09] <TJTODD> hey lori you've been studying ?

[21:09] <VCI-Stan> a manifestation of the spirit of antichrist

[21:09] <VH-jazene> Are any of you familiar with the series of book co-authored by Tim Lehey call the Left Behind series. If you are tell me what you think about them?

[21:09] <HostBob> This is speaking of the temple mount

[21:09] <VH-midland> hey todd what would happen if the Anti christ looked like those pictures everyone would flock to him,

[21:09] <HostBob> and the flags they will raise are the "emblems"

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[21:10] <HostBob> Another translation: Your foes roared in the place where you met with us; they set up their standards as signs.

[21:10] <VH-Redeemed> I think the Left Behind Series is fantastic. Have read all six in the series that are out. Highly recommend them.

[21:10] <VCI-Stan> jazene-i'm familiar with the series, personally do not like it much

[21:10] <TJTODD> right on midland. just maybe we've been conditioned for that ?

[21:10] <VH-midland> could be

[21:10] <TJTODD> think so !!!!!!!

[21:10] <HostBob> The Psalm speaks of the attitude of those who destroyed the Temple, the same attitude as today... listen:

[21:11] <VH-lori> That's just it, tj, it was all in the library. God had to have opened my eyes, because until I started looking it up on my own (not the pastor's word) I had no idea!

[21:11] <HostBob> They burned your sanctuary to the ground; they defiled the dwelling place of your Name. (Psalms 74:7 NIV)

[21:11] <HostBob> They said in their hearts, "We will crush them completely!" They burned every place where God was worshiped in the land. (Psalms 74:8 NIV)

[21:11] <TJTODD> me too lori

[21:11] <HostBob> We are given no miraculous signs; no prophets are left, and none of us knows how long this will be. (Psalms 74:9 NIV)

[21:11] <HostBob> How long will the enemy mock you, O God? Will the foe revile your name forever? (Psalms 74:10 NIV)

[21:11] <HostBob> Why do you hold back your hand, your right hand? Take it from the folds of your garment and destroy them! (Psalms 74:11 NIV)

[21:11] <HostBob> But you, O God, are my king from of old; you bring salvation upon the earth. (Psalms 74:12 NIV)

[21:11] <VH-farrell> thanks, Bob, never saw it in perspective before.

[21:12] <TJTODD> i've got most of my teaching from the word and the internet

[21:12] <HostBob> It is an impassioned plea for the Lord to take action in the face of those who would defile His holy place

[21:12] <VH-jazene> Also do any of you know about all that stuff going on down in Penscolia, Fl. Could it possiblly been for real.

[21:12] <VH-Redeemed> Are you talking about Brownsville?

[21:12] <VH-windchimes> whats going on

[21:12] <TJTODD> what jazene the Revival?

[21:12] <VH-jazene> yes Redeemed

[21:13] <VCI-Stan> yes Lord, do it!

[21:13] <VH-midland> psalm thine enemies roar in the midst of thy congregations: they set up their ensigns for signs

[21:13] <HostBob> Yes, Lord

[21:13] <TJTODD> don't know for sure if it is real or not but, I hope so.

[21:13] <VH-lori> I started before I had a computor. I just had to find out what all of it meant. I realized alot of things done in the churches of our country didn't go along with the Bible & I had to know the truth. What I found out at first scared me to death, then as I started seeing it unfold before my eyes it all made sense!

[21:14] <VH-Redeemed> I believe it is very real. I beleive it's what was prophesied by the prophet Joel in Joel 2-28...

[21:14] <HostBob> The Psalm concludes with this:

[21:14] <HostBob> Rise up, O God, and defend your cause; remember how fools mock you all day long. (Psalms 74:22 NIV)

[21:14] <HostBob> Do not ignore the clamor of your adversaries, the uproar of your enemies, which rises continually. (Psalms 74:23 NIV)

[21:14] <VH-midland> ensigns are FLAGS

[21:15] <VH-imbecomingnew> that is why it is so important to know what is in the Word, so you can know what is real and what isn't

[21:15] <VH-jazene> I agree hole hartedly Bob

[21:15] <HostBob> Redeemed, I strongly disagree - the manifestations coming out of that movement are bizarre and non-Biblical

[21:15] <VH-lori> So what is going on in Brownsville? Is there a special revival?

[21:15] <TJTODD> i've seen it on a tv news report.

[21:15] <VH-Redeemed> I don't agree. Whenever the supernatural meets the natural there are going to be things we don't understand.

[21:16] <HostBob> Yes, that is true, but only within the bounds of what God has said

[21:16] <VH-Redeemed> I also agrre that some of it is done in the flesh but that doesn't discount it all..

[21:16] <VCI-Stan> amen Bob

[21:16] <VH-windchimes> don't understand what is going on in Brownsville

[21:16] <TJTODD> bob what part is not Biblical?

[21:16] <VH-windchimes> Is this Brownsville Texas

[21:16] <VH-lori> I agree, Bob. So many are counting on it & looking so hard, what happens when it doesn't come & they are faced with the full force of satan? I hate that, & I blame the churches for teaching that!

[21:17] <VH-Redeemed> No, Brownsville, Fl

[21:17] <VH-midland> you will find its similar to voodoo

[21:17] <VH-windchimes> What is it

[21:17] <HostBob> Here is an excellent article on it: Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum's look at the Toronto Blessing issue – a highly controversial movement currently taking a significant number of churches and their constituencies by storm: http://www.ariel.org/mtoronto.html

[21:17] <HostBob> for those of you interested in finding out more

[21:18] <VH-Redeemed> I have been to Toronto and I truly believe it is a move of God. I look for the fruit and the changes in peoples lives..

[21:18] <VH-midland> rodney howard brown is like a hypnotist

[21:18] <HostBob> Yes, Lori, so many are looking for a move of the Lord that they are not being discerning about it

[21:18] <VH-midland> losing self control

[21:18] <HostBob> Yes, Midland

[21:18] <TJTODD> well, we know that the devil has a counterfeit for the things of the Lord

[21:18] <VH-imbecomingnew> amen redeemed, that is how you can know for sure, when it is truly of God, your life will change

[21:18] <VH-windchimes> God tells us that many will come in his name, but He isn't there

[21:19] <HostBob> Psychological manipulation instead of the Lord's Holy Spirit

[21:19] <VH-windchimes> to decern

[21:19] <VH-midland> the end times is a time for lieing signs and wonders

[21:19] <VH-Redeemed> God is at Toronto and Brownsville. I firmly belive that. Satan does not do what I saw at Toronto...\

[21:19] <VH-jazene> I agree midland

[21:19] <VH-windchimes> that is true but he tells us not to look for signs

[21:19] <VH-midland> and a falling away

[21:19] <HostBob> Yes, it's amazing how much weird stuff is out there, and amazing how many Christians buy into it - very sad

[21:20] <VH-Redeemed> No, but signs do follow those who believe. Mark Chapter 16...

[21:20] <VH-midland> very sad bob i did but praise God i used my brain matter a bit

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[21:20] <VH-Redeemed> Verse 17

[21:20] <VH-lori> satan is going to set himself up to be like God. He is deceitful & will do whatever it takes to deceive the world!

[21:20] <TJTODD> that's true Redeemed!

[21:20] <HostBob> Yes, Redeemed, we do not deny the power of the Lord to do signs and wonders, but there are counterfeits as well

[21:20] <HostBob> not all who name the name of Jesus preach the true Jesus

[21:21] <VH-Redeemed> Yes they are and that is where discernment comes in.

[21:21] <VCI-Stan> redeemed-it is important that you stay true to what you believe in your heart, but please do hold it up in prayer before the LORD, it's an issue that has caused much hurt and division

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[21:21] <TJTODD> i think i just said that Bob

[21:21] <VH-Redeemed> But if you've never been to Totonto all your hearing is hearsay.

[21:21] <HostBob> :) Todd

[21:21] <VH-Redeemed> I saws God do might mighty things up there.

[21:21] <VH-Redeemed> Bondages and oppressions loosed and people set free.

[21:21] <HostBob> OK, well, I think we beat that one to death... any other subjects? :)

[21:21] <TJTODD> about the counterfeit

[21:22] <VH-Redeemed> And that's what God is oiin the business od doing. He came to set the captives free.

[21:22] <VH-jazene> example a church i used to attend had a woman who would normally do any interpations for the messages well we had and evangelist and I did not attend this is hear say but that a young boy saw gold dust their was physical evidence of gold dust and it changed that woman's tooth to a gold tooth what signafance does this show from the Lord.

[21:22] <VH-midland> its maddness look at benny hin telling people to put there dead relatives befor the T.V and he would raised them from the dead, be warned God is giving them over

[21:22] <VCI-Stan> did you all hear about the terror attack in Hebron this evening?

[21:22] <HostBob> I was just going to mention that, Stan :)

[21:23] <VH-lori> And I have seen the blind see, legs grow right before my eyes, ect, ect. Be careful, use disernment. If teh works do not follow, it is not of God. Not saying it isn't, just try those spirits!

[21:23] <TJTODD> midland when did Benny hinn say that?

[21:23] <VH-farrell> were there any casualties?

[21:23] <HostBob> 3 people shot - it's becoming a regular thing, snipers in the Hebron area

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[21:23] <VCI-Stan> terrorists fired on a car carrying Jewish men on their way to celebrate Purim

[21:23] <VCI-Stan> three hurt, two badly

[21:23] <VH-midland> a while back its was on tv here in perth

[21:23] <TJTODD> where is perth?

[21:23] <VH-midland> and on the internet

[21:23] <HostBob> speaking of Hebron, Bible students - do you know what is significant about that town, now controlled by the PA?

[21:24] <VH-midland> western australia

[21:24] <VCI-Stan> it happened as an israeli officer in charge was in the process of furthering th egiveaway of land to arafat

[21:24] <VCI-Stan> tell us bob

[21:24] <TJTODD> really thanks midland

[21:24] <HostBob> Hebron plays a very significant part in Bible history....

[21:24] <VH-farrell> Abraham and Rachel lived there. Rachel buried there?

[21:24] <TJTODD> yes,tell us bob

[21:24] <HostBob> Not Rachel...

[21:24] <VH-midland> todd they are all going mad

[21:24] <VH-lori> My prayers are with you & Israel, Stan! Yes, Bob, tell us

[21:24] <HostBob> she is buried in Bethlehem...

[21:25] <VH-farrell> Who?

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[21:25] <HostBob> but Abraham bought a cave there...

[21:25] <VH-midland> todd they gold dust has not been proved

[21:25] <HostBob> to bury Sarah...

[21:25] <VCI-Stan> bless you, lori, thank you

[21:25] <HostBob> and who else is buried there?

[21:25] <VH-farrell> Right.

[21:25] <VH-midland> people are seeing it but the dentist are not

[21:25] <VH-farrell> Who?

[21:25] <HostBob> Isaac, and Jacob also, right Stan?

[21:25] <VH-farrell> Is it Begin?

[21:26] <VCI-Stan> Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,

[21:26] <VCI-Stan> yes bob

[21:26] <HostBob> it's the family burial plot

[21:26] <VCI-Stan> and their wives

[21:26] <TJTODD> i've heard about the gold dust in alot of different city's having revival

[21:26] <HostBob> purchased by Abraham, but now sadly in PA hands

[21:26] <HostBob> what else happened there? anyone know?

[21:26] <VH-lori> Oh, Stan, that is BIG!

[21:26] <VCI-Stan> did you evet notice the incredible detail the Bible gives to the actual purchasing of that plot of ground?

[21:27] <TJTODD> didn't abraham bury Sarah there Bob?]

[21:27] <HostBob> David ruled there for seven years before the capital was moved to Jerusalem

[21:27] <HostBob> Yes, Todd

[21:27] <VH-midland> abraham,isaac,jacob are in alphabetical order amazing hey

[21:27] <VH-farrell> Where in Scripture?

[21:27] <HostBob> True, Stan

[21:27] <VH-lori> Tell more, Stan & Bob

[21:27] <VCI-Stan> a whole chapter Genesis 23

[21:27] <VH-jazene> I bet it is so awsome living where Jesus Walked

[21:27] <VH-midland> yes todd that is so true its getting worst

[21:27] <VH-farrell> thanks

[21:27] <VCI-Stan> Abraham wanted to buy it for cash

[21:28] <HostBob> I would suggest that all of the places where ground was purchased in the OT are very significant - that would be a good Bible study

[21:28] <VCI-Stan> the Hittites wanted to give it to him, but he insisted on paying

[21:28] <VH-midland> yes bob that would be

[21:28] <VCI-Stan> got a real title deed - the first to any property in te Promised Land

[21:28] <VH-midland> true stan

[21:28] <HostBob> yes, so that he would have a valid deed, him and his descendants, still in force today

[21:29] <VCI-Stan> yes bob

[21:29] <HostBob> prior to any alleged claims by others

[21:29] <VCI-Stan> islam has erected a mosque over the jewish site

[21:29] <VCI-Stan> as islam is wont to do

[21:29] <HostBob> Today, the city is a hotbed of Hamas activity

[21:29] <VCI-Stan> and now even CNN calls it the mosque of ibrahim, rather than the cave of machpela - its biblical name

[21:30] <VCI-Stan> the hottest bob

[21:30] <VH-midland> Todd are you penticostal/charasmatic

[21:30] <VH-farrell> Is there any identification of the terrorists?

[21:30] <HostBob> from the shooting tonight?

[21:30] <VCI-Stan> but the jews who live there, bravely in a few smal enclaves surrounded by these islamists, have sworn to stay there forever

[21:30] <VH-farrell> yes

[21:31] <VH-imbecomingnew> thank you all for the great conversation, I have to go, God Bless the people of Israel. I hope to meet some of you in person some day. And to walk where Jesus walked is beyond fantasy for me.

[21:31] <HostBob> God bless, IM - thanks so much for coming!

[21:31] <VCI-Stan> shalmom imbecomingnew - lovely to chat with you!

[21:31] <VH-midland> bye imbecomingnew

[21:31] <VH-imbecomingnew> bye all

[21:31] <VH-jazene> Bye thanks for a great chat

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[21:31] <VH-lori> Stan, is there a leader of the Jews that are staying put?

[21:31] <HostBob> No word, Farrell, on the shooters

[21:32] <HostBob> Bye, Jazene! Good to have you here!

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[21:32] <VH-midland> by jazene

[21:32] <VCI-Stan> yes there is, his name is noam

[21:32] <HostBob> I got my news on this from www.israelwire.com

[21:32] <VH-farrell> bye, Jazene, don't quit - don't give up

[21:32] <VCI-Stan> he's a wonderful, warm-hearted man, with unshakeable faith in God

[21:32] <VH-lori> Can you tell more about him, noam, that is?

[21:33] <VCI-Stan> well, he's been living in hebron for years

[21:33] <VCI-Stan> he has withstood a lot of vicious assaults on his caharcter by the press

[21:33] <VCI-Stan> you know how the mdia hates the settlers - especially those in hebron

[21:33] <VCI-Stan> he has a family, and they all live right there in that hotbed

[21:33] <VCI-Stan> lots of little kids live there

[21:34] <HostBob> It must be very difficult to live there

[21:34] <VH-farrell> Noam sounds like a good man to add to daily prayer list.

[21:34] <VCI-Stan> yes, and yet they are always (almost) so cheerful and full of hope for the future - despite the incredible uncertainty

[21:35] <HostBob> But - these people are convinced that God has given Hebron to the Jews, and they act accordingly, bravely

[21:35] <VCI-Stan> yes farrell-do pray for him. i will tell him you are

[21:35] <VH-lori> I feel for him, his family and all of them holding fast. I agree farrell.

[21:35] <VH-midland> amazing stan a very durable people the jews

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[21:35] <HostBob> We must remember how much a part our prayers play....

[21:35] <VCI-Stan> you know they are celebrating purim tonight through wednsday, right?

[21:36] <VCI-Stan> very durable indeed! :-)

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[21:36] <HostBob> in asking the Lord to open they eyes of His chosen people to the identity of their Messiah

[21:36] <VH-midland> well i must go all nice talking to all thankyou

[21:36] <VCI-Stan> y'all know what purim is?

[21:36] <VCI-Stan> shalom midland

[21:36] <VH-midland> what is it stan

[21:36] <HostBob> See ya, Midland - Shalom

[21:36] <VH-lori> ARen't they though, the Jews, that is. That is because they have a God on their side with a plan!!

[21:36] <TJTODD> shalom midland nice talking to you

[21:37] <VCI-Stan> its the celebration of the Jews deliverance from Haman (Book of Esther)...and

[21:37] <VCI-Stan> from all antisemites since Haman

[21:37] <VH-midland> oh bob and stan know what i did

[21:37] <VCI-Stan> and there has been a long list

[21:37] <HostBob> what, Midland?

[21:37] <VH-lori> bye, midland.

[21:37] <VH-midland> i went onto yahoo chat with the ID being Israel_7000

[21:38] <HostBob> oh?

[21:38] <VCI-Stan> all these antisemites, from Haman,m through Nero to Hitler have one thing in common

[21:38] <VH-midland> and boy what an experiance

[21:38] <HostBob> they're all dead? LOL

[21:38] <VCI-Stan> the spirit of amalek - which is also the spirit of antichrist

[21:38] <VCI-Stan> :) bob!

[21:38] <VH-lori> midland, tell more!

[21:38] <HostBob> :)

[21:38] <HostBob> yes, amalek

[21:39] <HostBob> That's another good Bible study for everyone...

[21:39] <VH-midland> there was this fellow who said why the ID, I told him I wanted to feel what it was like being jewish and he went quiet, as he was quiet mean, he thought i was a jew

[21:39] <VCI-Stan> and that spirit will only be done away with finally when God casts the antichrist into the lake of fire

[21:39] <HostBob> check out what the Lord has said about amalek

[21:39] <TJTODD> the other day i was sharing with my sister about PurinQueen Esther and everything. she said well, that would make a good movie

[21:39] <HostBob> Interesting, Midlan

[21:39] <VH-midland> he picked up my aussie accent

[21:39] <HostBob> Yes, Stan

[21:39] <VCI-Stan> it does make a great movie - my kids love it (in animation!) :-)

[21:40] <HostBob> Yes, Todd, it's an amazing story!!!

[21:40] <VH-lori> Did the conversation continue, midland?

[21:40] <VCI-Stan> Exod 17:14-16

[21:40] <VCI-Stan> 14Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write this for a memorial in the book and recount it in the hearing of Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven."

[21:40] <VCI-Stan> 15And Moses built an altar and called its name, THE-LORD-IS-MY-BANNER;

[21:40] <VCI-Stan> 16for he said, "Because the LORD has sworn: the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation."

[21:40] <VCI-Stan> (NKJ)

[21:41] <VH-midland> well he said he hated jews and i said i relized that by the way he was carrying on

[21:41] <VH-midland> i told him i was so happy to have the 7000

[21:41] <VH-midland> he said why

[21:41] <HostBob> Which is what the Lord took such a stern stance with Saul when he disobeyed - it was bad enough that he disobeyed, but he was violating the Lord's solemn promise earlier to wipe our Amalek

[21:41] <TJTODD> hey midland was his name cool?

[21:42] <VH-midland> i told him God promised the land would rest and that is when Christ shall rule

[21:42] <VCI-Stan> Purim is a time of great fun in Israel - national carnival - all the kids dress in costumes, many adults too

[21:42] <VH-lori> Did he say he hated the jews?

[21:42] <VH-midland> no todd it was not it was rebellious ghild or something like that

[21:42] <TJTODD> i got on a chat last night and this person got mad at me because i was trying to talk about the jewish people

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[21:43] <VH-lori> STan, I read that. Made me want to dress up. I wanted to celebrate with them:)

[21:43] <HostBob> There is still a lot of anti-semitism, Todd, even in America where it supposedly is rare - I believe it will just take an event to bring it to the surface, unfortunately

[21:43] <VCI-Stan> lori :)

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[21:44] <TJTODD> I believe the bride will be Jews and Non Jews as one body worshipping the Lord together.

[21:44] <HostBob> Go ahead, Lori! Hey, you know, that Messianic synagogues do just that, dress up and act it out :)

[21:45] <VCI-Stan> yes, there is what to celebrate - God's faithfulness to Israel despite all the hatred against her gives us all reason to rejoice

[21:45] <HostBob> There may be one in your town, Lori - have you ever visited one?

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[21:45] <VH-lori> Right on tj!

[21:45] <VH-midland> sorry i got all frozen up again

[21:45] <TJTODD> thanks lori

[21:45] <VH-midland> sorry i was frozen up again

[21:46] <HostBob> Welcome back, midland

[21:46] <VH-lori> NO, but I will look into it. May be just what I am looking for.

[21:46] <TJTODD> welcome back midland

[21:46] <HostBob> Yes, could be! :)

[21:46] <VCI-Stan> sorry midland - it's a talk city thing, we're working to have it fixed

[21:46] <VH-midland> lori he did say he hated jews

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[21:46] <HostBob> Farrell's back!

[21:46] <VH-midland> yes stan im cool about it

[21:46] <HostBob> people getting bounced left and right!

[21:46] <TJTODD> the guy that got mad at me last night was from assembly of god

[21:47] <VH-midland> lol

[21:47] <VCI-Stan> cool TJ?

[21:47] <HostBob> why did he get mad, Todd?

[21:47] <VH-farrell389> Thanks that you have given me three different Bible studies tonight.

[21:47] <VH-midland> why did they get mad at you todd

[21:47] <HostBob> oh, sorry, TJ - I remembered I'm not supposed to call you Todd :) sorry :)

[21:47] <TJTODD> because i was trying to talk about the jewish people

[21:48] <TJTODD> that's okay bob

[21:48] <VH-lori> Some people are just blind. I frequently heard it was the jews fault Christ was crucified. First false thing I studied out.

[21:48] <VCI-Stan> TJ - was it cool?

[21:48] <VH-midland> yes i can understand that i think there is a link spirtually there

[21:48] <TJTODD> well, I told him that I believed in Messianic

[21:48] <VH-farrell389> THE LORD IS MY BANNER is Jehovah Nissi - we had a great study last summer on God's names.

[21:48] <HostBob> The Lord is MY banner! :)

[21:48] <TJTODD> yes stan it was cool. do ou know him?

[21:49] <VCI-Stan> yes, from here. he needs our prayers

[21:49] <VH-farrell389> Mine too :)

[21:49] <VCI-Stan> And MINE!

[21:49] <HostBob> :)

[21:49] <VCI-Stan> hallelujah!!

[21:49] <VH-midland> stan the purim

[21:49] <TJTODD> he was very rude o me

[21:49] <VCI-Stan> yes midland

[21:50] <HostBob> Here's an interesting prophecy... I stumbled on...

[21:50] <VCI-Stan> i'll have a quiet word with him TJ

[21:50] <TJTODD> thanks stan!

[21:50] <VH-midland> what was in the temple in the old days the candle, showbread and??

[21:50] <VH-midland> oil

[21:50] <VH-midland> ???

[21:50] <HostBob> you know there are many many promises about the regathering of the Jews, right?

[21:50] <VCI-Stan> yes Bob

[21:50] <HostBob> Well, take a look at this particular one

[21:51] <VCI-Stan> midland - sorry, i don't follow

[21:51] <HostBob> Though I scatter them among the peoples, yet in distant lands they will remember me. They and their children will survive, and they will return. I will bring them back from Egypt and gather them from Assyria. I will bring them to Gilead and Lebanon, and there will not be room enough for them. (Zechariah 10:9-10 NIV)

[21:51] <HostBob> The odd thing is this...

[21:51] <HostBob> look at where He is bringing them back TO

[21:51] <HostBob> Gilead, and Lebanon

[21:51] <VH-midland> i have heard that the things in the temple were symbolic of God, his Son, and Holy Ghost??

[21:52] <VCI-Stan> yes bob!!

[21:52] <HostBob> both outside of what is today the boundaries of Israel

[21:52] <HostBob> Gilead on the east of the Jordan

[21:52] <VCI-Stan> midland-i have not heard this, though would not be surprised.

[21:52] <HostBob> Lebanon of course is north of Israel

[21:52] <VH-midland> show bread being christ

[21:52] <VH-midland> seven candle sticks being the Spirtit of God

[21:52] <VCI-Stan> how satan is waring against THIS word!

[21:53] <HostBob> Yes

[21:53] <VCI-Stan> warring

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[21:53] <VCI-Stan> hi music! :-)

[21:53] <HostBob> Hello, Music!

[21:53] <VH-midland> and the other thing I cant quiet remember

[21:53] <HostBob> Welcome!

[21:53] <VH-music> hello everyone

[21:53] <TJTODD> hi music

[21:53] <VH-lori> hi music

[21:53] <VH-music> hi

[21:54] <VH-midland> the seven Spirts are befor the throne of God in Revelation

[21:54] <HostBob> So... anyone have a favorite Scripture they would like to share? Something that grabbed you lately?

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[21:54] <VH-midland> yes bob

[21:54] <VCI-Stan> bye farrell hi farrell

[21:54] <VH-midland> but i cant remember where it was

[21:54] <VCI-Stan> midland! :)

[21:54] <HostBob> Oh, what did it say, Midland? Perhaps we can find it?

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[21:55] <VCI-Stan> yes, give us a word or two and we'll search for it

[21:55] <VH-midland> about the time Jesus said to his disiples to cast the net on the RIGHT side of the boat

[21:55] <VH-midland> he did not say left

[21:55] <VCI-Stan> john 21:6

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[21:55] <HostBob> He called out to them, "Friends, haven't you any fish?" "No," they answered. (John 21:5 NIV)

[21:55] <HostBob> He said, "Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some." When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish. (John 21:6 NIV)

[21:55] <VH-midland> there is a right and wrong way

[21:55] <VCI-Stan> BEAT YOU BOB

[21:55] <HostBob> LOL

[21:55] <VH-midland> good

[21:55] <HostBob> Yeah, but I pasted LOL

[21:56] <TJTODD> bob, I heard that Esther was named after the goddess eshtar,is this true?

[21:56] <HostBob> Well. Midland...

[21:56] <VH-midland> I was stunned at the point of being the word RIGHT

[21:56] <VCI-Stan> so, you're quicker on the c&p

[21:56] <VCI-Stan> why?

[21:56] <HostBob> I don't think you can use that to justify a particular political stance :) as in right-wing LOL

[21:56] <VH-midland> the word right is not the word wrong

[21:56] <HostBob> ummmm - good question, TJ

[21:57] <VH-midland> fishers of men

[21:57] <VH-lori> Maybe, Jesus was looking for obediance?

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[21:57] <HostBob> I believe Esther meant star, right?

[21:57] <VH-midland> never mind maybe it was something for me

[21:57] <HostBob> she had a Jewish name

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[21:57] <HostBob> but that was her Persian name, am I correct, folks?

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[21:58] <VH-midland> dont know?

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[21:58] <HostBob> That's a good one, Midland...

[21:58] <VH-midland> whats a good one

[21:58] <HostBob> pointing out that when we get to the end of our "wrong" ways to do things.. our own efforts..

[21:58] <HostBob> Jesus tells us to trust Him to do it the "right" way

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[21:59] <HostBob> is that what you meant?

[21:59] <VH-midland> true, i just found it amazing he did not say left

[21:59] <TJTODD> Bob last week, you said that the prayer being taken out of our schools,was part of Bible prophecy where?

[21:59] <HostBob> cuz.. the fish were not there LOL

[21:59] <HostBob> I don't think I said that, TJ

[21:59] <VH-midland> when catching men there is a right way, that lasts and a wrong way that doesnt

[22:00] <HostBob> must have been someone else

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[22:00] <HostBob> Welcome, Birdie!

[22:00] <VH-music> hi Birdie

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[22:00] <HostBob> Shalom on the name of the Messiah Jesus!

[22:00] <VCI-Stan> 'lo birdie

[22:00] <HostBob> in, that is

[22:01] <HostBob> :)

[22:01] <HostBob> too much typing :)

[22:01] <VCI-Stan> :)

[22:01] <VH-midland> wll i have over stayed and stand and bob could you look into the symbolic meaning of what was in the temple and see if there is a link,

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[22:02] <VCI-Stan> will try midland

[22:02] <VH-midland> let me know what you find

[22:02] <HostBob> sure, I'll do that, you see what you can find, and we will compare notes :)

[22:02] <VH-midland> thanks stan

[22:02] <VH-midland> ok

[22:02] <HostBob> God bless, Midland

[22:02] <VH-midland> thanks everyone and God bless

[22:02] <TJTODD> what are you guys talking about?

[22:02] <VH-lori> bye midland

[22:02] <VH-midland> thankyou

[22:03] <TJTODD> bye midland

[22:03] <VCI-Stan> shalom

[22:03] <HostBob> Nothing at the moment, really - anyone have a topic?

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[22:04] <VH-music> I came across II Chronicles 5 about the singers being of one voice and how the golry of God filled the temple, it was really awesome

[22:04] <TJTODD> Bob last week you were talking about prayer being taken out of the schools being part of the Bible. where?

[22:04] <HostBob> I don't think that was me, TJ, must have been someone else who said that

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[22:04] <HostBob> I'm not familar with where that might be

[22:05] <VH-lori> music, i take it you love music?

[22:05] <HostBob> Yes, Music!

[22:05] <TJTODD> really, I thought that was part of what was being said. sorry

[22:05] <HostBob> That's ok :)

[22:05] <VH-music> my way of worshiping God

[22:06] <HostBob> Yes, music has played a large part in worship, obviously - I suppose that's the main reason He gave us the wonderful gift of music, huh?

[22:06] <VH-lori> AMen, music! Any favorites? artists, that is?

[22:06] <VCI-Stan> 'scuse me, but i'm going to have to love and leave you all. thanks for the chat, i really enjoyed the fellowship

[22:06] <VH-music> bye Stan

[22:06] <HostBob> See ya Stan - was great, as always :)

[22:06] <TJTODD> do you think that we can make a stand and get prayer put back in schools?

[22:06] <TJTODD> bye stan

[22:06] <VH-lori> bye Stan, be back next week!?

[22:07] <HostBob> My personal opinion, TJ?

[22:07] <TJTODD> ok

[22:07] <VCI-Stan> thanks Bob - it was great. I thank the LORD too

[22:07] <HostBob> Is that we need to pick our battles - as important as that is symbolically...

[22:07] <VH-lori> TJ, i don't think that will happen. Separation of Church & STate, etc.

[22:07] <HostBob> practically speaking, I'm not sure that there are not other more critical issues

[22:07] <HostBob> to fight

[22:08] <HostBob> because...

[22:08] <VCI-Stan> lori, no, i'm going to be hosting a diferent session next week, starting Wednesday evening - on political events in Israel, and in the region/world as they impact on Israel

[22:08] <HostBob> any kid who wants to can privately pray on his own

[22:08] <VH-music> where Stan?

[22:08] <VCI-Stan> watch the virtual holyland homepage for details

[22:08] <HostBob> But that's only my opinion, TJ

[22:08] <VH-music> ok

[22:08] <VCI-Stan> same place, different chat room - VHL-Politics

[22:08] <VH-lori> WE can teach our kids to pray & silent prayer is just as powerful!

[22:09] <TJTODD> but there is no church and state in the original constitution loriori

[22:09] <TJTODD> sorry lori about your name

[22:09] <VCI-Stan> i'll miss this chat though, and if and when I can get up to do so, i'll drop by

[22:09] <VCI-Stan> shalom, shalom

[22:09] <HostBob> True, TJ - that has been twisted

[22:09] <VH-lori> I'll see about joining in, Stan. Good luck!

[22:09] <HostBob> Shalom!

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[22:10] <VH-music> God Bless

[22:10] <TJTODD> but, i don't think silent prayer will protect our kids as much

[22:10] <TJTODD> we need to get back like we use to be

[22:10] <HostBob> I think it will - if a child choses to draw near to the Lord, that is what will protect him or her

[22:11] <TJTODD> Bob. what about gun control?

[22:11] <VH-music> it will never be like that, the Bible tells us it will only get worse before the end

[22:11] <HostBob> in other words, if we would get it back in schools, it's only an external victory

[22:11] <HostBob> What about, TJ?

[22:11] <HostBob> :)

[22:11] <HostBob> Yes, I think that is true, Music

[22:12] <TJTODD> do what ? Bob

[22:12] <VH-lori> I agree, tj. But that is the way our "political" leaders look at it. I am not saying I agree. Right on Bob. In fact, the Bible says when you pray to enter your closet so it is not done before men.

[22:12] <HostBob> :) sorry - you want my opinion on gun control?

[22:13] <HostBob> well, here is my opinion - first of all, it is not strictly a black/white issue that the Bible speaks clearly on...

[22:13] <TJTODD> the lord has been dealing with alot this week about prayer in our schools and about gun control . Yes Bob I want your opinion

[22:13] <HostBob> so for anyone to say "this is God's stance on gun control" is not valid, in my opinion

[22:14] <HostBob> I'm kinda in the middle about it, realizing that gun laws will not stop criminals from getting them, but also I think there are way too many guns on the streets

[22:15] <HostBob> what is your opinion, TJ?

[22:15] <TJTODD> here is what the lord gave me. We don't need Gun Control, We need God Control !

[22:15] <VH-music> I believe we should have a right to protect ourselves but I also believe there needs to be some more restrictions on getting a gun

[22:15] <VH-lori> Again, alot of that starts at home. Right on TJ!

[22:16] <VH-lori> Restrictions are only as good as those enforcing them.

[22:16] <HostBob> Yes, because we can only build so many prisons and put so many people behind bars - that is why crime is decreasing - we have a larger proportion of people in prison than any other Western country

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[22:16] <TJTODD> Bob, stop and think about it, how many kids in Christian schools have been gunned down?

[22:16] <HostBob> once a nation loses moral foundations, there is no remedy

[22:16] <HostBob> other than repentance

[22:17] <VH-lori> SAme can be said for drugs & alcohol. I work for corrections in MO, I've seen too much of it.

[22:17] <HostBob> true, TJ

[22:17] <TJTODD> They pray they begin their day with glory and Honor to God.

[22:17] <HostBob> Yes, I agree that it starts at home

[22:17] <TJTODD> that's what america needs, we need to become the country we use to be.

[22:18] <VH-lori> I think if I were starting over with young children, I would home school them.

[22:18] <VH-music> almost any social problem we have today comes from children not being taught in the home, we are failing as parents

[22:18] <HostBob> if we see the nation descending into a cesspool we can teach our children to stay out of it

[22:18] <HostBob> Yes, I think that's good, Lori, especially today

[22:18] <HostBob> yes, Music

[22:18] <VH-lori> Yes, Bob!

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[22:19] <VH-music> hi Blessed

[22:19] <HostBob> TJ, I do not think we will be the country we used to be

[22:19] <TJTODD> If we would teach our children Respect for God , our teachers and themselves.s

[22:19] <HostBob> unless there is widespread repentance

[22:19] <HostBob> and there is no indication of that happening

[22:20] <HostBob> so we must remain faithful and true to the Lord's standards in the midst of Sodom

[22:20] <VH-lori> It just isn't going to happen. WE have to teach our children and isn't that in the Bible?

[22:20] <TJTODD> if one woman destroyed this country, why can't we christians get it put back together?

[22:20] <HostBob> The Lord "rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men

[22:20] <HostBob> (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)"

[22:20] <VH-music> we allowed her to do it

[22:20] <HostBob> 2 Peter 2:7-8

[22:21] <HostBob> We can do our part, certainly, TJ - a prophetic voice to call people to return to the Lord

[22:21] <VH-lori> Ok, what woman destroyed this country?

[22:21] <HostBob> and repent

[22:21] <TJTODD> when you go to the arab nations you know that they are muslems.

[22:21] <HostBob> This is not a Christian nation, in my opinion

[22:21] <HostBob> not any more, anyway

[22:22] <VH-music> I think he is refering to O'Hare

[22:22] <TJTODD> But we profess to be achristian nation

[22:22] <HostBob> How about Margaret Sanger? she gets my vote :)

[22:22] <HostBob> Do we, TJ?

[22:22] <TJTODD> Yes Lori O'hare

[22:22] <HostBob> Only a small minority are believers

[22:22] <TJTODD> well, i thought so Bob

[22:23] <HostBob> and many of them are mixed up, lukewarm

[22:23] <VH-music> and God will spew them out of HIs mouth

[22:23] <HostBob> I believe there will be an end-times revival... but not as some see it...

[22:24] <VH-lori> What did she do? I am dumb on this one.

[22:24] <HostBob> I do not believe it will be a revival in large numbers, but a purifying and quickening of those who are serious about serving the Lord

[22:24] <HostBob> Margaret Sanger?

[22:24] <VH-music> she is the one who took prayer out of schools

[22:24] <TJTODD> well, the arabs aren't going to let us tell them to worship their god. But,yet we have let the immigrants dictate to us about what we can and cannot do.

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[22:25] <VH-lori> You are right, Bob. And there will be a great falling away.

[22:25] <HostBob> Yes, there will

[22:25] <HostBob> And it has already started, sadly enough

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[22:26] <HostBob> so many who are following teachers promising prosperity and health

[22:26] <TJTODD> well, i guess somebody wanted me to be quiet

[22:26] <HostBob> I do not agree with your last statement, TJ, about the immigrants

[22:26] <HostBob> No, we didn't kick you out :)

[22:26] <VH-lori> Yes, it is sad. And, Bob, I blame the churches for not teaching the truth.

[22:26] <TJTODD> which part Bob/

[22:27] <HostBob> Yes, Lori

[22:27] <HostBob> Well, the immigrants are not the problem

[22:27] <HostBob> we are no better than they

[22:27] <TJTODD> the way i hear it we mght offend someone if we pray to our God.

[22:28] <HostBob> Well, like Daniel, we need not worry who we offend by praying to our God

[22:28] <HostBob> he did it openly

[22:28] <TJTODD> I know I'm not better than anyone else Bob.

[22:28] <HostBob> 3 times a day

[22:28] <HostBob> :)

[22:28] <HostBob> I know, TJ

[22:28] <TJTODD> yes i know Bob but, we can't

[22:28] <HostBob> sure we can!

[22:28] <VH-lori> But, tj, is that God that the schools prayed to from the paganism of the church world? See, It made me question everything!?

[22:28] <HostBob> Who is stopping you?

[22:29] <TJTODD> the government

[22:29] <HostBob> No, they cannot - you must obey God rather than man. In other words...

[22:29] <HostBob> any kid who loves the Lord can be a Daniel and pray by himself

[22:30] <TJTODD> lori, i don't know who they would pray to but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord

[22:30] <HostBob> they cannot stop him - they can threaten, and fine, whatever

[22:30] <VH-music> I think God has allowed so many different kinds of people to come to America to hear the Word, at no other time in History could we share the "good News" with so many people of different nationalities

[22:30] <HostBob> but no one can stop us from worshipping the Lord

[22:30] <HostBob> That's very very true, Music

[22:30] <HostBob> !

[22:30] <VH-music> God commanded us all to go and tell

[22:30] <HostBob> They made it a law in Daniels time also

[22:30] <TJTODD> back to gun control Bob.

[22:31] <HostBob> except a much more severe law, TJ

[22:31] <HostBob> and He decided to openly disobey it and obey God

[22:31] <VH-lori> Right on TJ!

[22:31] <HostBob> Yes, TJ?

[22:31] <TJTODD> I don't think there has many deaths to our children caused from guns,but from abortions

[22:32] <HostBob> Yes, music :)

[22:32] <HostBob> That's an understatement - abortion is a horrible thing

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[22:32] <HostBob> untold millions of innocent lives snuffed out

[22:33] <TJTODD> they are murdering our children through legal abortion and all they can do is cry gun control

[22:33] <HostBob> several years ago, back in PA, I was the director of a pro-life group, so I have much experience with the issue

[22:33] <HostBob> it

[22:33] <VH-lori> With all the violence sweeping the world, I think both are pretty serious.

[22:34] <HostBob> Violence starts in the hearts of people, as men and women cast off the restraint of God's laws

[22:34] <TJTODD> without God we have violence with God with have peace

[22:34] <TJTODD> we have peace

[22:35] <VH-lori> Amen, Bob & TJ Let there be Peace! At least in our hearts for now

[22:35] <TJTODD> that's what i'm saying Bob

[22:35] <HostBob> Yes, we do have peace - and we have been forgiven of so much - praise the name of the Lord Jesus!

[22:36] <HostBob> Well, folks, I need to run for now - thanks so much for coming here! And feel free to chat as long as you like!

[22:36] <HostBob> It's been a pleasure - may the Lord bless you greatly as you seek and serve Him!

[22:36] <TJTODD> it's been great Bob Shalom!

[22:36] <HostBob> Shalom!

[22:36] <VH-lori> It 's been fun, Bob. Until next week.

[22:37] <HostBob> Yes, see you next week! Bye! :)

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