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[19:57] <Gran-VHL> 6about time you got here Bob he he

[19:57] <Gran-VHL> 6:)

[19:57] <called__out-VHL> Hii Lisa and Bob :)

[19:57] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Greetings to all from rolling blackout land!

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Hi Everyone!

[19:58] <called__out-VHL> :)

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, isn't it, Gran! :)

[19:58] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> If I suddenly disappear you'll know why

[19:58] <Gran-VHL> 6rolling black out land?

[19:58] <Gran-VHL> 6oh yes I had that happen with aol so got rid of it

[19:58] <called__out-VHL> California

[19:58] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I was having pronblems staying in here Tuesday night

[19:58] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Yes, Gran. California is experiencing rolling blackouts because of a power shortage.

[19:58] <Gran-VHL> 6oh I heard about that on the news bad stuff

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[19:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi Lisa Hi Bob

[19:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom to all of you

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> That's not unusual, running - we often have problems with TalkCity

[19:59] <called__out-VHL> scarey

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> Welcome Bez!

[19:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12The website has ptoblems because I kept getting knocked out of here Tuesday

[19:59] <called__out-VHL> Hii Running deer

[19:59] <Gran-VHL> 6well since i am from San Diego many years ago I am glad that i live in GA

[19:59] <Bezalel-VHL> Good evening all :-)

[19:59] <called__out-VHL> Hii Bez :)

[19:59] <Gran-VHL> 6I have not been able to reaad my email for three days

[19:59] <Gran-VHL> 6zionmail that is

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> Bez, I discovered for the first time today where you got your name from

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[20:00] <VCI-Bob> me either, Gran

[20:00] <Gran-VHL> 6Bez old buddy shalom

[20:00] <called__out-VHL> Anyone else having problems with Haaretz, mine is stuck on Nov 30th?

[20:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Helllo

[20:00] <Iamindisguise-VHL> hello all

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Called, I have not been able to get it lately either

[20:00] <Bezalel-VHL> Reading Numbers, Deu. again, Bob?

[20:00] <Gran-VHL> 6bob I sure do hope that gets fixed soon need my mail

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Actually, listening to Exodus reading on a radio station up here...

[20:01] <called__out-VHL> Oh good Bob, thought I was losing it there for a minute.

[20:01] <Iamindisguise-VHL> hi bez

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> and it said "Bezalel" and I thought - I know Him! :)

[20:01] <Bezalel-VHL> Hi Liz.

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 6uh what shall we call you disguise??

[20:01] <called__out-VHL> Hi Liz:) :)

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 6for short that is

[20:01] <Iamindisguise-VHL> i knew you see me bez

[20:01] <Bezalel-VHL> Call her Liz, Gran.

[20:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Well Houston is gonna have some storms come through here later on tonight so I may have to shut everything down later

[20:01] <Iamindisguise-VHL> yeah gran i just silly

[20:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I want to to go with a free isp. Any suggestions?

[20:01] <Gran-VHL> 6Liz are you at it agaiin???

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> (Exo 31:2 NIV) "See, I have chosen Bezalel son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah,

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> (Exo 31:3 NIV) and I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with skill, ability and knowledge in all kinds of crafts--

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> (Exo 31:4 NIV) to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver and bronze,

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> (Exo 31:5 NIV) to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of craftsmanship.

[20:02] <Iamindisguise-VHL> yeah i gotta keep it going lol

[20:02] <Gran-VHL> 6well silly is good sometimes

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Nettaxi or Netzero, Runningdear

[20:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's too fast now

[20:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok

[20:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Are they pretty good

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> as good as you can get for free :)

[20:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 6my daughter is in NC she has netzero and likes it

[20:03] <Bezalel-VHL> I just liked the fact that Bezalel was the "grunt" who helped build the tabernacle in the desert.

[20:03] <called__out-VHL> I use Netzero and it works great for me.

[20:03] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> NetZero just changed their policy. If you're on more than 40 hours a month, you get charged

[20:03] <Gran-VHL> 6everyone can't get all of the free one it depends on the phone lines they have in your area

[20:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Did you get my email by the way

[20:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I saw your website and it was good

[20:03] <Iamindisguise-VHL> i had probs with haaretz but went in a different way

[20:03] <Iamindisguise-VHL> listening to AC right now

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez, but he was filled with the Holy Spirit (a phrase not the often used in the Tanach - OT) - proves that being filled with the Spirit is not just for preaching and teaching

[20:04] <Iamindisguise-VHL> i should not of said that sorry

[20:04] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom to everyone

[20:04] <called__out-VHL> I am a little under the weather, may slip out early

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[20:04] <VCI-Bob> I didn't look at the email yet, Running

[20:04] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I haven'y clicked on verything yet

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Ken!

[20:04] <Gran-VHL> 6called let us pray for you first

[20:04] <called__out-VHL> Shalom Ken

[20:04] <Gran-VHL> 6Ken shalom

[20:04] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Amen

[20:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Ken

[20:05] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi ken

[20:05] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi Bez

[20:05] <called__out-VHL> That would be so nice Gran. I havent been well for over 2 years.

[20:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Deer.

[20:05] <Gran-VHL> 6FAther in the name of Jesus I pray for your servent Called out

[20:05] <called__out-VHL> beginnings of Parkenson's I believe

[20:05] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes God

[20:05] <Ken-VHL> Shalom, just wanted to see if anything is happening.

[20:05] <Gran-VHL> 6touch and heal Lord we know that you love callaed more than any of us can

[20:05] <Gran-VHL> 6and we do pray for a complete healing in Jesus Name amen

[20:05] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes God amen

[20:06] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Amen

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6we will keep you in our prayers called

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6thanks for letting us know

[20:06] <called__out-VHL> Thank you dear friends :) God always answers prayer :)

[20:06] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Called

[20:06] <Ken-VHL> Yes, Amen.

[20:06] <Gran-VHL> 6aren't you a little young for that?

[20:06] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12You I will always hold you up in prayer

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[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Hi Red!

[20:07] <called__out-VHL> well, yes I am, but they can't find out what is wrong. Very miserable

[20:07] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi Red

[20:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Red

[20:07] <called__out-VHL> Hi Red

[20:07] <Gran-VHL> 6shalom Red

[20:07] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom

[20:07] <Gran-VHL> 6I will put you on my prayer list and view of that for sure dear

[20:07] <hiallredhere-VHL687> hi bob, run, bez, called, gran (you new?)

[20:07] <called__out-VHL> Thank you Gran

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> I was thinking today, after seeing Stan's lead-in on the front page, about how some people get distraught when they think of the future, and the unsettled situation in the world now

[20:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[20:08] <Gran-VHL> 6Red I am not new just been out of circulation for 4 months with a dead puter

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> And then was thinking about the peace and tranquility we get when reading God's word, and wondered - why is that?

[20:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2We should all look forward to the end-times.

[20:08] <Iamindisguise-VHL> hi red

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Any thoughts?

[20:08] <hiallredhere-VHL687> oh well welcome back then

[20:09] <hiallredhere-VHL687> hi liz

[20:09] <called__out-VHL> Oh Bob, you are so right.

[20:09] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> What about those of us for whom such truth does the opposite?

[20:09] <Iamindisguise-VHL> hi red ahahahahahah

[20:09] <Gran-VHL> 6Bob even Christians seem to get out of Gods will and that could be why they get up tight about the future

[20:09] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I wouldn't know

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran

[20:09] <hiallredhere-VHL687> you crack me up

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> What's that, Lisa?

[20:09] <Ken-VHL> The "End" is just the BEGINNING for some

[20:09] <called__out-VHL> His word is like a quiet, green field awake with flowers

[20:09] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Could be Gran

[20:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Even with the tribulation, we are to be tested as part of the chosen.

[20:09] <Gran-VHL> 6thanks Red I was able to get in on Mon and Tues for the first time in a long time what a relief

[20:09] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Ken

[20:10] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> I get so excited about the prospect of Jesus returning that I have to sometimes reign myself in a little

[20:10] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Gran was there

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6amen Lisa

[20:10] <Iamindisguise-VHL> me too sis

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6been waiting a long time

[20:10] <called__out-VHL> We can still say, in spite of everything, It is well, It is well with my soul

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> :) That's great! :) We should be in eager expectation of His appearing and His Kingdom! :)

[20:10] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Amen Lisa

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6I want to just sit at HIS feet and worship HIM

[20:10] <Iamindisguise-VHL> yes called out

[20:10] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Gran

[20:10] <Gran-VHL> 6amen called

[20:10] <Iamindisguise-VHL> Hey Bob

[20:11] <Iamindisguise-VHL> I got a question along the watching Line

[20:11] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> I know, but do you ever get disappointed when certain events seems like they are on the brink, and then things settle down. I do

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> To me, it reminded me of Romans 4, where Abraham, seeing the situation, against all hope believed in what God had said

[20:11] <Gran-VHL> 6watching line Red?

[20:11] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I know what it is now that I feel everytime I come onto this site

[20:11] <Iamindisguise-VHL> why are some believers like us very interested and others could care less

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz?

[20:11] <Iamindisguise-VHL> ya know watching for his return

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Any thoughts on Liz' question, folks?

[20:12] <Iamindisguise-VHL> i think i am obsessed at times hahahahah

[20:12] <hiallredhere-VHL687> what gran

[20:12] <Gran-VHL> 6yes deer expectation

[20:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. (NIV Rev 21:3)

[20:12] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Because of what's in their heart, lamin

[20:12] <Iamindisguise-VHL> seriously i know many who laugh and they love the Lord

[20:12] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> It seems to be the general state of sleepiness the church is in Liz

[20:12] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12well that and more

[20:12] <Iamindisguise-VHL> well i guess i am wide awake

[20:12] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12God revealed it to me when I asked him

[20:12] <Iamindisguise-VHL> but ya know when i first got saved i was interssted and it has bnever left me

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> To me, the tranquility from reading the Bible comes from this, among other reasons - we read, and we believe, because we can "see" that what God has said will happen

[20:13] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I couln't describe what I felt

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> As did Abraham

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> (Rom 4:20 NIV) Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God,

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> (Rom 4:21 NIV) being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised.

[20:13] <Iamindisguise-VHL> yes bob amen

[20:13] <Gran-VHL> 6amen to that Bob

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> (Rom 4:17 NIV) As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed--the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

[20:13] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> I know what you mean about obsessed, Liz! Why should a lil' ol housewife from rural CA be so engrossed in prophecy!

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Now, that is one of the most abused verses in the Bible, by the "word of faith" teachers.....

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 6Lisa some people just do not understand how inportant phophesy is

[20:14] <called__out-VHL> Because we love His appearing Lisa

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[20:14] <hiallredhere-VHL687> it makes us look alittle strange huh lisa

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 6amen called

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> because, God calls things that are not as though they were based on WHAT HE HAS SAID, not on our desires

[20:14] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Amen called!

[20:14] <Gran-VHL> 6yes I believe that is true Red

[20:15] <Barbara-VHL> Shalom, good people

[20:15] <hiallredhere-VHL687> brb

[20:15] <Iamindisguise-VHL> me too i am a obsessed houseiwfe

[20:15] <called__out-VHL> Hey Barbara :)

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> But the things HE has declared, we can be absolutely certain, and our tranquility and security comes from that

[20:15] <Barbara-VHL> :-)

[20:15] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12and also becauser I feel their very heartbeat

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Hi Barbara!

[20:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Barb

[20:15] <called__out-VHL> I too am an obsesses housewife

[20:15] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi Barb

[20:15] <Gran-VHL> 6Barb shalom

[20:15] <Iamindisguise-VHL> hey bob when you are done i have a link i want to share its about some of the miracles that happened during Israels wars.....

[20:15] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Go ahead, Liz! :)

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[20:15] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Bob, I love thinking about Abraham because I relate so much to the idea that we are looking for a "city not built by hands" just as he was.

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Pie!

[20:16] <Barbara-VHL> 2Can't stay too long...

[20:16] <Iamindisguise-VHL> hey bob when you are done i have a link i want to share its about some of the miracles that happened during Israels wars.....

[20:16] <Iamindisguise-VHL> oh duh

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6shalom pie

[20:16] <pie-VHL> 13hi bob

[20:16] <Iamindisguise-VHL> i wanted to say they do have some weird views but this article is awesome

[20:16] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I will be leaving here in just a little while myself

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Right, Lisa! We should not get to comfortable and satisfied here, because the essense of our faith is that we are putting on expecation on a "better city"

[20:16] <hiallredhere-VHL687> hi pie

[20:16] <Barbara-VHL> 2But, need to bring you much gratitude and appreciation from Stan....

[20:16] <Gran-VHL> 6Liz please share links now

[20:16] <pie-VHL> 13hi gran how are you

[20:17] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12But hopefully I won't be gone too long

[20:17] <Gran-VHL> 6doing good pie

[20:17] <Iamindisguise-VHL> http://www.bible411.com/nationofmiracles/index.htm

[20:17] <pie-VHL> 13hi hiallredhere how are you

[20:17] <Barbara-VHL> 2for all of the "gifts" that have been received by him and his family the past several weeks! :-)

[20:17] <Gran-VHL> 6thanks good to see you here

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> (Heb 11:14 NIV) People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own.

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> (Heb 11:15 NIV) If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return.

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> (Heb 11:16 NIV) Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

[20:17] <called__out-VHL> all together nwo, This world is not my home I am just a passing thru:)

[20:17] <Ken-VHL> Sometimes I have trouble sorting out what is prophesied, what happened as promised, and what , provisionally, will happen and what will happen regardless. Am I alone in this?

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Thanks for the links, Liz!!

[20:17] <pie-VHL> 13cool

[20:17] <hiallredhere-VHL687> great thank- your name makes me hungry pie

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Sing it called!

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> No, not at all Ken!

[20:18] <Iamindisguise-VHL> ok bob

[20:18] <called__out-VHL> My Treasure is layed up somewhere beyond the blue :)

[20:18] <Iamindisguise-VHL> yeah pie

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> It's like a gigantic puzzle, and God designed it that way

[20:18] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> No Ken. It takes careful study to discern what was then and what still has to come

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> He could have laid it out simply and plainly, but chose not to

[20:18] <pie-VHL> 13:-)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> I guess He wanted to see who was interested in searching it out :)

[20:19] <pie-VHL> 13ha-ha lamindisguise

[20:19] <called__out-VHL> Yes, Bob

[20:19] <called__out-VHL> and who has faith

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> right, called

[20:19] <Ken-VHL> The "simply" comes with Faith, right?

[20:19] <called__out-VHL> maybe?

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it does Ken - we don't need great intellect, but the faith of a little child

[20:20] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Lisa, I also have a yearning in my spirit for that better city

[20:20] <Gran-VHL> 6without failth it is impossible to please God

[20:20] <Ken-VHL> Thanks.

[20:20] <Gran-VHL> 6and yes as a child

[20:20] <pie-VHL> 13true gran

[20:20] <Iamindisguise-VHL> i am glad God made smarter believers than me to do all the hard searching for me hahahah

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6I would say that we are all in accord tonight

[20:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The crucible for silver and the furnace for gold, but the LORD tests the heart. (NIV Prov. 17:3) This has become my utterance during the "bad" times.

[20:21] <hiallredhere-VHL687> like bob right liz

[20:21] <Iamindisguise-VHL> cuz some of that stuff makes me go HUH

[20:21] <Gran-VHL> 6:)

[20:21] <called__out-VHL> and every once in a while, if we listen, God gives us something that proves His word

[20:21] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Ken, take Zechariah 9:9-10 for instance

[20:21] <called__out-VHL> That is powerful Bez.

[20:21] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes called out

[20:21] <Iamindisguise-VHL> cuz i would never know what has already happened besides Jesus stuff

[20:22] <Gran-VHL> 6called listening is a problem for us at times unless we stay in a listening posture

[20:22] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Bez

[20:22] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion. Shourt in triumph O daughter of Jerusalem. Behold you king is coming to you He is just and endowed with salvation, humble and mounted on a donkey

[20:22] <called__out-VHL> very true Gran :)

[20:22] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That

[20:22] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's right it is sometimes

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Good verse, Bez

[20:22] <Gran-VHL> 6Lisa thats beautiful

[20:22] <Ken-VHL> Go on

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 6Bez you got it right

[20:23] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> v10. And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim and the horse from Jerusalem. and the bow of war will be cut off. And he will speak peace to the nations; and His dominion will be from sea to seaand from the River to the ends of the earth

[20:23] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Lisa

[20:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I've kinda made it a credo of late. :-)

[20:23] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That is very good

[20:23] <Gran-VHL> 6wow in one accord still how wonderful

[20:23] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Now, there is at least 2200 years between v. 9 and v. 10

[20:24] <Ken-VHL> Ah ha!

[20:24] <called__out-VHL> I didn't kn ow that Lis

[20:24] <Barbara-VHL> 2It's goode to remember that our hearts ARE being tested, Bez...

[20:24] <Gran-VHL> 6amen Barb

[20:24] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Barb

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> I know what you mean, Bez - seems like God's greatest task in us (speaking personally) is refining us to bring us to the point of simple, dependent child-like faith

[20:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen, Bob....

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[20:24] <Iamindisguise-VHL> aamen bob thats true

[20:24] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Amen

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Good example, Lisa! And powerful verses

[20:25] <Gran-VHL> 6God will play our hearts like a harp if we stay in tune with HIM

[20:25] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Lisa

[20:25] <called__out-VHL> Learning to lean

[20:25] <Gran-VHL> 6amen called

[20:25] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes he will

[20:25] <Gran-VHL> 6learning all the time

[20:25] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Obviously, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey some 2000 years ago now, but it is when He returns as King of Kings that we will see him take His dominion over the earth

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Yahoo!!

[20:25] <called__out-VHL> hard lesson to learn, just give up and give in :)

[20:25] <Gran-VHL> 6staying flexable in order to learn

[20:25] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[20:26] <Ken-VHL> I understand that.

[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6AMEN

[20:26] <called__out-VHL> amen

[20:26] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Golly, I hope that day is soon

[20:26] <Iamindisguise-VHL> okay bob i have silly question i have wondered about with my little brain

[20:26] <Gran-VHL> 6happy didn't see you come in shalom

[20:26] <called__out-VHL> me too Lisa!!!!!

[20:26] <Barbara-VHL> 2Can't be too far off, Lisa

[20:26] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom

[20:26] <hiallredhere-VHL687> hi happy

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> And unfortunately, for us hard heads, we only learn dependence when we have no where else to turn in a situation

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz?

[20:26] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I didn't either

[20:26] <called__out-VHL> Hi happy

[20:26] <pie-VHL> 13i have a question it's not on the topic

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Pie?

[20:27] <Iamindisguise-VHL> the earth is round so how is every eye gonna see jesus all at the same time hahahahaha

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[20:27] <Barbara-VHL> 2shalom, happy

[20:27] <Gran-VHL> 6computers liz???

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> Liz, He'll work out that little detail, I'm sure :)

[20:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-), Bob....I have seen the bottom of the barrel....and looking up is a lot better.

[20:27] <Iamindisguise-VHL> hahahaha

[20:27] <Gran-VHL> 6or big mirrors

[20:27] <Iamindisguise-VHL> i know just pondering His Greatness

[20:27] <Gran-VHL> 6:)

[20:27] <Iamindisguise-VHL> CNN

[20:27] <Iamindisguise-VHL> gran that was funny

[20:27] <called__out-VHL> Bez :)

[20:28] <Ken-VHL> Been there too Bez.

[20:28] <Gran-VHL> 6I think CNN will come crashing down

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> (Rev 1:7 NIV) Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> (Rev 1:8 NIV) "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

[20:28] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Trust me when I tell you sis, CNN will not bearound at that point!

[20:28] <Gran-VHL> 6well liz I try

[20:28] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I don't try to figure that one out. I just know that will happen

[20:28] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Too muc for this little brain of mine to compute

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 40:5 NIV) And the glory of the LORD will be revealed, and all mankind together will see it. For the mouth of the LORD has spoken."

[20:28] <pie-VHL> 13after the rapture will the HOLY SPIRIT be here? i am still a babe in CHRIST and there's a lot i know i need to learn and when i want to know something i can always come here to get the answer and not second though

[20:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2So shall it be!

[20:28] <Iamindisguise-VHL> oh i know too i think about this kinda stuff kinda like where di God Come from

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> 6well one thing I believe for sure that when the Dome of the rock comes down great things are going to happen

[20:29] <Iamindisguise-VHL> oh yeah gran that will be wild

[20:29] <Gran-VHL> 6no matter where we believers are we will see that happen

[20:30] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That's a good question Pie

[20:30] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4But i know He came from nowhere becauseHe has always been

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Pie, God's Spirit will be working on earth up until the very end

[20:30] <Gran-VHL> 6God has a way of letting HIS see the important things

[20:30] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4a babe pie how old in Jesus

[20:30] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I wondered that myseelf

[20:30] <pie-VHL> 13wow thanks bob !!!! i though so but i really wanted to ask you all before i tell someone else

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> 6yes pie it is the Sprit of God that draws all people to HIM

[20:31] <pie-VHL> 132yrs.

[20:31] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4oh thats neat

[20:31] <Gran-VHL> 6pie for 2 yrs you are doing good

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> The book of Revelation is the record of how God will be acting in those days, and HE will be very active indeed

[20:31] <pie-VHL> 13thanks gran

[20:31] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4how old is everyone in Jesus may i ask

[20:31] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Pie

[20:31] <pie-VHL> 13i give all the PRAISES TO GOD

[20:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Uh, 6 months, Liz.

[20:31] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> 2 Thess.2:7: For the mystery of lawlessnesss is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way

[20:32] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4i am 14 yrs on and off

[20:32] <pie-VHL> 13thanks bob again

[20:32] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4no way bez 6 months

[20:32] <Runningdeer-VHL> 1233 years

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Did you all see what Stan posted on the main page, leading in?

[20:32] <Ken-VHL> 13 plus

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> (Luke 21:31 NIV) Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.

[20:32] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> This is the verse some point to to show that the holy spirit will be taken out of teh world. But, it doesn't really say that. Only "he" who now restrains. There is room for debate on whom that "he" might be

[20:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm a slow learner, Liz.

[20:32] <Gran-VHL> 6well kids it has been 55 years for me and I still feel like a babe in Christ

[20:32] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12No

[20:32] <Barbara-VHL> 2"bout twenty years, ...:_)(

[20:32] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4wow gran praise God

[20:32] <hiallredhere-VHL687> on and off all my life but not serious till two years ago

[20:32] <Barbara-VHL> 2:-)

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lisa, there are different viewpoints on that

[20:33] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12what did he post?

[20:33] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4praise God barb

[20:33] <Barbara-VHL> 2Amen...praises Him!!

[20:33] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> I personally believe it speaks of the archangel Michael

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> (Mat 24:33 NIV) Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.

[20:33] <Gran-VHL> 6well I am just 70 years old

[20:33] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4me too

[20:33] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4lisa

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I do also, Lisa

[20:34] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4awwwwww gran

[20:34] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4because of danile bob

[20:34] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4daniel

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> 6woopie I just had a birthday a couple of weeks ago

[20:34] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Bob what are you referring to?

[20:34] <Barbara-VHL> 2Happy BD, Gran

[20:34] <pie-VHL> 13praise GOD gran and barbara

[20:34] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Exactly, Liz, Dan. 12

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Jesus said "when you see all these things" - what things was He talking about - the events of the tribulation, right, as he had just described to them in detail

[20:34] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4yep me too

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz

[20:34] <Gran-VHL> 6thanks kids

[20:34] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12You were mentioning something that Stan posted?

[20:35] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4k

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> On the front page - "when you see these things" - look up

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> quoting Jesus

[20:35] <hiallredhere-VHL687> liz you just had a bd?

[20:35] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12What? Where?

[20:35] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Good point Bob. Some folks are looking for those kinds of signs NOW, but they will not occur until the very end

[20:35] <pie-VHL> 13now that is a blessing gran

[20:35] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4no red

[20:35] <Gran-VHL> 6yes amen and have a large family also

[20:36] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes they are Lisa

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> Jesus, speaking from what is referred to as the "Olivet Discourse" - his major speech telling of end-times events

[20:36] <hiallredhere-VHL687> did i fall for it again liz?

[20:36] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Well I have one in May

[20:36] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> i.e., signs in the sky

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> recorded in Matthew, Mark and Luke

[20:36] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12They are looking for signs everywhere

[20:36] <Ken-VHL> Then, the end could be near?

[20:36] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12They seek after a sign

[20:36] <Gran-VHL> 6amen Bob

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[20:37] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Right, deer, too much speculation and sensationalism

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> So..... if he tells them (believers) "when you see these things" - referring primarily to events happening in the tribulation, how could the believers have been taken out first in a pre-trib rapture? :) Just a thought :)

[20:37] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes

[20:37] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4amen bob also 2 thess

[20:37] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-), Bob....

[20:37] <Gran-VHL> 6Hummmmmm!!!!

[20:37] <pie-VHL> 13hppy birthday to you , happy birthday to you , happy birthday to you gran ,happy birthday to you and May God contiune to BLESS you.aoo

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez?

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 6OOOOO thanks again

[20:38] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I am pre

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 6:)

[20:38] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4 2 thess 2:1-3

[20:38] <hiallredhere-VHL687> i agree with you bob

[20:38] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12what about everyone else?

[20:38] <Gran-VHL> 6still considering

[20:38] <hiallredhere-VHL687> mid to late tribe myself

[20:38] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Just agreeing with you Bob....Revelation also has some very strong signs that Saints are here for the tribulation.

[20:38] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4used to be deer now i am PAN

[20:38] <Ken-VHL> Me too

[20:38] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Here's another one: But immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky and the powers of the heavens will be shaken and then the sign of the Son of man will appear in the sky and then all the tribes of the earch will mourn and they will see the Son of man comingn on teh clouds of the sky with power and great glory....

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 6yeah it will all pan out in the end

[20:39] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Pan?

[20:39] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4yes gran

[20:39] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4i lean more toward post

[20:39] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Oh ok

[20:39] <hiallredhere-VHL687> brb

[20:39] <Ken-VHL> That's great. Original?

[20:39] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4pan means it will all pan out in the end lol

[20:39] <Gran-VHL> 6no been said before

[20:39] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> And THEN He wil send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

[20:39] <VCI-Bob> I lean on the post also :)

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 6but still a good one

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 6:)

[20:40] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I think it is important to realize that the tribulation is our crucible, and we'll be blessed for staying in our faith.

[20:40] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok lol

[20:40] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4thanks Lisa

[20:40] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12That we WILL be here?

[20:40] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4when i began investigating for myself that also jumped out at me

[20:40] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> It's only AFTER the trib that the angel sounds teh trumpet and the believers are raptured

[20:40] <Gran-VHL> 6over the years I have been taught all of them and for now lean more to pre but am still considering

[20:41] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4along with 2 Thess 2 1-3 is a real good one

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Tonight, I'd like to examine on of the most critical prophecies in the Bible, one which we have never looked at in this chat - that's Isaiah 53

[20:41] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Cross-reference 1 Thess. 4:16-17

[20:41] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4ok bob

[20:41] <pie-VHL> 13what new going on israel?

[20:42] <pie-VHL> 13cool bob i love bible prophecy

[20:42] <Ken-VHL> Go Bob,

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> I'm going to use the New Living Translation - I like it not as my primary Bible for reading, but I think it's an excellent translation for providing insight in conjunction with a more literal tranlation

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 6according to that scripture the man of sin is reaveled first how does that work with the p ost trib thinking Bob

[20:43] <Gran-VHL> 6I have seen that 2 thess used for both thinkings

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> Right, Gran - the day of the Lord, and our being gathered to Him, cannot happen until the man of sin is revealed, according to Paul

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> now.. on to Isaiah :)

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 6oops a little slow here sorry:)

[20:44] <hiallredhere-VHL687> go ahead bob

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> It actually starts at the end of chapter 52

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> So get out your Bibles :)

[20:44] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4got it

[20:44] <hiallredhere-VHL687> got it

[20:44] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Good

[20:44] <Gran-VHL> 6got it

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 6never without my swsord

[20:45] <pie-VHL> 13i am ready

[20:45] <Ken-VHL> me too

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> In Isaiah.....

[20:45] <Gran-VHL> 6sword

[20:45] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I just downloaded a pc bible the other night Bob

[20:45] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Dex helpd me with that

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> God often refers to the Messiah as "my servant"

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Cool, Running!! :)

[20:45] <pie-VHL> 13i have my weapon at work well bring it to work and we all read it

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> 3See, my servant will prosper; he will be highly exalted. 14Many were amazed when they saw him£—beaten and bloodied, so disfigured one would scarcely know he was a person.

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> That's Isaiah 52:13 ff

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 52:13 NIV) See, my servant will act wisely ; he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 52:14 NIV) Just as there were many who were appalled at him -- his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness--

[20:46] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I'm not ready but getting there

[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 6yes

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> That's quite a picture, huh

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[20:46] <Gran-VHL> 6must have been a shock to Isaiah

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Very clearly, the Messiah would be horribly beaten

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran

[20:47] <pie-VHL> 13ok

[20:47] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Hi Dex

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Dex!

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> We are in Isaiah 52-53

[20:47] <Barbara-VHL> 2shalom,Dex

[20:47] <Dex-VHL> 2Hi yall.

[20:47] <pie-VHL> 13hi dex

[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 6its really amazing that they believed that HE would come to do battle

[20:47] <hiallredhere-VHL687> hi dex we are in isaiah 52

[20:47] <Gran-VHL> 6Dex shalom

[20:47] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom Dex

[20:47] <Dex-VHL> 27thanks all

[20:48] <Ken-VHL> that is surprising in view of the scripture

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Gran, and for good reason, because there are many many prophecies about that yet future appearance when He will do that

[20:48] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I gfot my bible ready tonight Dex

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> But, as we know, first He had to come as the suffering Servant

[20:49] <pie-VHL> 13praise the LORD runningdeer

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> The next verses hints at that future coming:

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> And he will again startle£ many nations. Kings will stand speechless in his presence. For they will see what they had not previously been told about; they will understand what they had not heard about.

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 52:15 NIV) so will he sprinkle many nations, and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand.

[20:49] <Ken-VHL> Hi! Dex, I was in the Book when you came in

[20:49] <Dex-VHL> 7Great Deer I'm pulling mine up now.

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> That word can be translated either "sprinkle" or "startle" and both are true

[20:49] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12But I have to keep going back and forth between windows

[20:50] <Dex-VHL> 7HI Ken

[20:50] <pie-VHL> 13hi ken

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Interesting - kings will be speechless - in spite of their earthly power, when Jesus had none when He came the first time, He will finally rule over all and shut them up

[20:50] <Ken-VHL> Hi All.

[20:51] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Whenever I start to scroll my bible, this window clicks off

[20:51] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom Ken

[20:51] <pie-VHL> 13wow praise the LORD bob

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> And then "they will see" and "they will understand" - on that day when He appears in the sky in power and great glory

[20:51] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4oh wow cant waitb for that

[20:51] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Verses like this just make my heart ache for people like Gershom Salomen, who want so sincerely for their messiah to come and can't see that He has come. I long for the day their eyes will be opened

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Lisa

[20:52] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4oh yes lisa

[20:52] <Gran-VHL> 6yes so many amen

[20:52] <Barbara-VHL> 2What a joyous day that will be, Lisa

[20:52] <Ken-VHL> True Lisa, Sad but true.

[20:52] <pie-VHL> 13who is gershom?

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[20:52] <VCI-Bob> 1Who has believed our message? To whom will the LORD reveal his saving power?

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:1 NIV) Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

[20:53] <pie-VHL> 13thanks bob i told you i am still learning

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> the "arm of the Lord" is another Messianic title

[20:53] <Dex-VHL> 7Running. I'll try and help you after all this is over if you like.

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Z

[20:53] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Gershom heads up a group called the "Temple Mount Faithful". They want to see the temple in Jerusalem rebuilt

[20:53] <Barbara-VHL> 2hi Z

[20:53] <hiallredhere-VHL687> hi z

[20:53] <Z-VHL> hi bob and all

[20:53] <Gran-VHL> 6Z shalom

[20:54] <Ken-VHL> hi

[20:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I'm still not that familair with it yet and so I may have trouble keeping with you guys

[20:54] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> He believes if they can get teh temple rebuilt, Messiah will come

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> This verse, quoted by Paul, indicates that few would believe the message of the good news of the Kingdom of the Messiah

[20:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok thanks Dex

[20:54] <Barbara-VHL> 2Got to be going...Hope you all saw my message from Stan when I first came on...?

[20:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12It's still very frustrating to me trying to keep up

[20:54] <hiallredhere-VHL687> good night barbara

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> and that God's saving power, through Jesus, was only revealed to a selective few, those who humbly received Him

[20:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night, Barb. God bless.

[20:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Thanks I appreciate that

[20:55] <Barbara-VHL> 2Shalom..

[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 6not me Barb'

[20:55] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless you Barbara. Sorry I missed you.

[20:55] <Ken-VHL> Shalom Barbara

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> See ya Barbara :)

[20:55] <pie-VHL> 13are they beliver are they cult?

[20:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom Barb

[20:55] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> They are Jews trying to be faithful to God

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[20:55] <Gran-VHL> 6pie he is a devout Jew

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> 2My servant grew up in the LORD'S presence like a tender green shoot, sprouting from a root in dry and sterile ground. There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, nothing to attract us to him.

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:2 NIV) He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

[20:56] <Gran-VHL> 6God bless Barb

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> What does this tell us about Jesus?

[20:57] <pie-VHL> 13oh i see thanks gran

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 6that HE had no pysical beauty

[20:57] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Oh Dex I'm not sure if I'll be staying through the whole study

[20:57] <hiallredhere-VHL687> that he was common looking like us

[20:57] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I may have to leave early

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 6he was a man that it took most some time to accept

[20:57] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12bUT WE'LL SEE

[20:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The first coming was without fanfare or compelling reasons to attract believers.

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Picture a sole, green shoot, a lonely plant, breaking through the dry, parched ground

[20:57] <Gran-VHL> 6they did not see who HE was he was only a carpenter to them

[20:57] <Dex-VHL> 7Sorry to hear that. I will try to catch you over the weekend in the chitchat room.

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> So what did attract people to Him?

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 6yes He was alone in who He was it must have been hard for HIM even knowing what HE knew

[20:58] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> The "tree" had been cut down

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 6and of course what He knew he had to face as a man

[20:58] <Gran-VHL> 6His miracles

[20:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Gospel of grace?

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 6first for most of them

[20:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2and Salvation.

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> His words, which were without comparison, and His actions

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 6He called them sign seekers

[20:59] <Ken-VHL> Free bread and fish

[20:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2LOL, Ken

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Ken, some of them :)

[20:59] <Gran-VHL> 6His words did not attract many at first

[21:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12LOL@Ken

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 6and HIs words later turned some aside as too hard

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> What attracted YOU to Him?

[21:00] <pie-VHL> 13where can i find in the bible that the HOLY SPIRIT will be here during the trib so i can show one of my friend instead of telling her i would love to back up what i am saying

[21:00] <Dex-VHL> 7He taught the gospel of the old testament in a new light. That's what I believe attracted those to him. He opened their eyes to new meanings of the Old Testament.

[21:00] <Gran-VHL> 6HIS love

[21:01] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> No one ever spoke like Him.

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6thats right Lisa

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6and some saw that quickly

[21:01] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> His mercy, His grace, His authority, His love

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6but others didn't

[21:01] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> He is incomparable

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Can I get back to you on that, Pie?

[21:01] <Gran-VHL> 6for me it was HIS great love and salvation

[21:01] <pie-VHL> 13oh yes

[21:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I don't know Pie but after the study theyw iill help you

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> Moving on: "3He was despised and rejected—a man of sorrows, acquainted with bitterest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way when he went by. He was despised, and we did not care."

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:3 NIV) He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

[21:02] <pie-VHL> 13i know they will runningdeer that why i love coming here

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> These verses we are looking at are a crystal clear depiction of Jesus

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> written 700 some years before

[21:03] <Gran-VHL> 6oh yes Bob

[21:03] <Gran-VHL> 6that is why prophesy if so important to us

[21:03] <Dex-VHL> 7Now that's Prophecy.

[21:03] <Gran-VHL> 6the bible comes alive with it

[21:04] <Z-VHL> Hey Bob, can you (if it hasn't already been said too many times) elaborate on how you came to the conclusion Arafat might be the little horn...just whenever (sorry to interrupt I need to press return now so I can type other stuff)

[21:04] <Ken-VHL> Exciting!

[21:04] <pie-VHL> 13i really enjoyed when someone speak about bible prophecy especially if they know what they are saying

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> "like one from whom men hide their faces" - to me, this is like when people see someone distasteful in appearance in a public place, and turn their eyes away in disgust

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> We'll have to defer that question, Z :)

[21:05] <Z-VHL> no problem

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> I don't think Arafat is

[21:05] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob many Jews at that time did not like what he said it struck too close to home for them

[21:05] <Z-VHL> Do you think that the shroud gives us an impression of his physical appearance?

[21:05] <Dex-VHL> 7He is not wise enough.

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> But see who is speaking in verse three?

[21:06] <pie-VHL> 13the truth will hurt if that 's the saying gran

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> the Jewish people, saying " we esteemed Him not" - they did not recognize or honor Him as their Messiah

[21:06] <Ken-VHL> good point, Bob.

[21:06] <Gran-VHL> 6he was not the messiah they were looking for

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> Like verse one, it's a prophecy of the reception Jesus would get from His own people

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 6he would upset their apple carts as it were

[21:07] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> He came to His own, and His own knew Him not

[21:07] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Lisa

[21:08] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes Bob

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> 4 Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows£ that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God for his own sins!

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:4 NIV) Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.

[21:08] <pie-VHL> 13the very ones that you love will always hurt you and that how i look at some of the jewish people how many times have they hurting GOD but he still love them i hope i did not hurt anyone feeling i love jewish people my self one of the md i work for is jewish and he know i love them

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[21:08] <hiallredhere-VHL687> they were looking for someone to free them from rome not from sin

[21:08] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Yes

[21:09] <Ken-VHL> My wife...

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> Even though He was not recognized by His own people, it was their weaknessed and sorrows He carried

[21:09] <chat-VHL> hello, I see i'm late again.

[21:09] <hiallredhere-VHL687> hi chat

[21:09] <Z-VHL> all of these things could not have been accomplished if they HAD acdcepted him

[21:09] <Gran-VHL> 6chat shalom

[21:10] <Ken-VHL> chat

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 6yes we would not have had a chance for salvation

[21:10] <Dex-VHL> 7I don't think they will have that problem when he returns again.

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Z, it was God's providential plan, as foretold here

[21:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Or OUR weaknesses and sorrows, Bob?

[21:10] <chat-VHL> did I miss alot?

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 6no Dex for sure

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> Theirs, and ours, Bez

[21:10] <Dex-VHL> 7hi chat

[21:10] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4aaaaaaawwwwwwwwww can i tell you what my 9 year old son just said to me???

[21:10] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob for the whole world

[21:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, and.

[21:11] <hiallredhere-VHL687> chat we are in isaiah 53 right now

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 6then and now and to come

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> This of course extends to the whole world, but He came primarily and first for the Jewish people

[21:11] <hiallredhere-VHL687> go head liz

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 6sure liz

[21:11] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4he said he dont want to go to private scholl cuz then he cant witness

[21:11] <Gran-VHL> 6yes Bob to bad for them thaat so few did accept HIM then

[21:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-), Liz

[21:11] <hiallredhere-VHL687> aaaaawwwww

[21:11] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4school

[21:11] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 13Hello runningdeer!!!!

[21:12] <chat-VHL> My name is barb, I guess I didn't sign on properly:)

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 6boy some kid youve got there Liz

[21:12] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 13Hello runningdeer!!!!

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> And we are the ones blessed to be also included in His incredible sacrifice, as we will see :)

[21:12] <hiallredhere-VHL687> jim said that he could still witness lol

[21:12] <pie-VHL> 13well i must go now GODbless all of you , and GOD bless you tooooooo bob

[21:12] <Gran-VHL> 6amen bob.

[21:12] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4yes i thank The Lord

[21:12] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 13Hello runningdeer!!!!

[21:12] <hiallredhere-VHL687> Gods blessing to you too pie

[21:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Pie.

[21:12] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 13Hello runningdeer!!!!

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Good night, Pie! God bless you!

[21:13] <Audra_Kaye_M_-VHL> 13Hello runningdeer!!!!

[21:13] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4bye pie

[21:13] <pie-VHL> 13nite bezalel

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> 6Hey everyone I need to get off as my sitting downer went to sleep. See you all on Monday night

[21:13] <pie-VHL> 13nite to all

[21:13] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless you also Pie

[21:13] <Gran-VHL> 6shalom pie and god bless you all

[21:13] <Ken-VHL> Shalom Pie

[21:13] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Gran. Rest that sitter downer. :-)

[21:13] <hiallredhere-VHL687> lol grand God bless

[21:13] <pie-VHL> 13shalom to alllllllll!!!!!

[21:13] <pie-VHL> 13:-)

[21:13] <chat-VHL> Bob, do you believe there will be war in Isreal soon?

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> See ya Gran!

[21:13] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless Gran

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[21:14] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4bye sweet gran

[21:14] <Gran-VHL> 6God lbess you all I am so glad to finally be able to be with my friends BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[21:14] <Ken-VHL> Shalom Gran

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[21:14] <VCI-Bob> 5 But he was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed!

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:5 NIV) But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

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[21:15] <VCI-Bob> This verse describes the atonement, in four parallel phrases

[21:15] <chat-VHL> Lord we loose off the ememies plan to disrupt the chat Now in the name of Jesus.

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> Everyone still with me? Let's look at verse 5

[21:16] <hiallredhere-VHL687> im here bob

[21:16] <Ken-VHL> Still here

[21:16] <chat-VHL> Lord we just plead your blood over vhl in the name of Jesus.

[21:17] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4here here

[21:17] <chat-VHL> Go on Bob.

[21:17] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Jesus' "punishment" led to our healing.

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> In four powerful parallel phrases, Isaiah describes the atonement that Jesus would accomplish on the cross

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[21:18] <VCI-Bob> And He alone provided the way for us to have peace with God

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Gumbee!

[21:18] <gumbee-VHL> good evening, my first time

[21:18] <hiallredhere-VHL687> hi gumbee

[21:18] <Dex-VHL> 7Hi gumbee

[21:18] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Need to go - bless you all with every good thing in Christ Jesus!

[21:18] <Ken-VHL> Shalom gumbee

[21:18] <chat-VHL> Hi Gumbee

[21:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Welcome, Gumbee. Sit down and visit for a spell.

[21:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Lisa

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> Incidentally, despite the popular teaching, "and by his wounds we are healed" is NOT talking about physical healing for us

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> See ya Lisa! :)

[21:19] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless Lisa

[21:19] <hiallredhere-VHL687> good night lisa God bless

[21:19] <LisaAKANewHarv-VHL> Hey Liz, maybe we should start a housewives obssessed with prophecy group. See you later!

[21:19] <Ken-VHL> Lisa

[21:19] <chat-VHL> night Lisa

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[21:20] <Runningdeer-VHL> I lost my connection

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> 6All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left God's paths to follow our own. Yet the LORD laid on him the guilt and sins of us all.

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:6 NIV) We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

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[21:20] <Runningdeer-VHL> But I'm going to have to leave now

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Praise the Lord that our Savior was willing to allow all of our guilt to be laid on Him on the cross!

[21:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Wow, Deer, you're giving me whiplash. :-)

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> :) Bye, Running! See you next time!

[21:21] <hiallredhere-VHL687> sorry to see you go Run God bless

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[21:21] <Ken-VHL> Shalom Running

[21:22] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4bye running

[21:22] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12aaDex can yoiu meet me back in here between 11:30 and 12 m

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> Once again, see the clarity with which Isaiah speaks about the coming and mission of Jesus the Messiah, 700 years before

[21:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Or God speaks through Isaiah.....

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> And the hope that God provided for all of us sheep who were astray

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez

[21:23] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I love you all

[21:23] <Ken-VHL> Right

[21:23] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom to all of you

[21:23] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom Running

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Shalom :)

[21:23] <Dex-VHL> 7Sure

[21:23] <Dex-VHL> 7See you then

[21:23] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom room

[21:23] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Dex can we meet back in here later tonight?

[21:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Eagle

[21:24] <hiallredhere-VHL687> hi eagle

[21:24] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Shalom Eagle

[21:24] <Ken-VHL> shalom Eagle

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Next we will see a picture of what happened at His trial:

[21:24] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Ok

[21:24] <Dex-VHL> 7Sure Running no problem. Is 11 est ok

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> 7He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth.

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:7 NIV) He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

[21:24] <chat-VHL> it is so astounding the provision The Lord has made for us!

[21:24] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12I''ll see you in herew around 12 your time ok?

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Yes, chat

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Astounding is right

[21:24] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12God bless you all! Bye now!!

[21:24] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Sorry Bob

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Bye Running :)

[21:25] <Dex-VHL> 7I can't make it that late. What about tomorrow night at 9

[21:25] <Dex-VHL> 7my time

[21:25] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12Bye! Bye!

[21:25] <Eagle-VHL> Those verses were carried out completely, weren't they?

[21:25] <Runningdeer-VHL> 12ok bye now'

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Jesus didn't defend Himself, though He was entirely innocent - the only person who could ever claim that

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Eagle

[21:25] <hiallredhere-VHL687> bye deer

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[21:25] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless you Running.

[21:26] <chat-VHL> Yes completely

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> Our Lord, the one who spoke the universe into existence, was harshly treated and unjustly accused - taking the punishment we deserve

[21:27] <Eagle-VHL> No pride. How much more proof of Him being Messiah is needed?

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> 8From prison and trial they led him away to his death. But who among the people realized that he was dying for their sins—that he was suffering their punishment?

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:8 NIV) By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken.

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:8 NASB) By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living, For the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due?

[21:28] <Eagle-VHL> Bob, with these verses, why did the people expect a warrior only?

[21:28] <Ken-VHL> Yes, Why?

[21:28] <chat-VHL> So what do the jewish people think in regards to this scripture and Jesus?

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> Eagle, as it says in verse one, 'Who has believed our report"?

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Chat, they mostly try to avoid it

[21:29] <Eagle-VHL> So are some prophecies more "real" than others?

[21:30] <chat-VHL> Just pick and choose what fits into what they believe?

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[21:30] <Dex-VHL> 7I see a correlation between how the Jews bent scripture to fit their desires then in the same fashion that they are bent today by liberal theologist to tell people what they want to hear and not the true meaning of scripture.

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 75hello everyone

[21:30] <Ken-VHL> Appearant danger there!

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> These are good questions - yes, only those whose hearts are open to believe what God has said can see the truth in the Scriptures

[21:31] <Eagle-VHL> Shalom Rich

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Hi Rich!

[21:31] <Dex-VHL> 7Hi Rich.

[21:31] <Ken-VHL> Hi Rich

[21:31] <Eagle-VHL> ouch, Dex! Truth is true

[21:31] <hiallredhere-VHL687> hi rich

[21:31] <Rich-VHL> 5good to see all of you

[21:31] <chat-VHL> That's right, I watched on t.v the other night about the mystic side of judaism,I couldn't believe it.

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> But remember, some of it was a "mystery" which means, that prior to Jesus coming, it was not understood

[21:32] <Eagle-VHL> :-) for Dex

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> For example

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> (Rom 16:25 NIV) Now to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past,

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> (Rom 16:26 NIV) but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him--

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> (Rom 16:27 NIV) to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.

[21:32] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4hi rich

[21:32] <Rich-VHL> 5and too we have an unction from the Holy one to know all things too

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> and...

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> (Eph 1:9 NIV) And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ,

[21:33] <hiallredhere-VHL687> gotta go all - need to spend some time with hubby Gods blessing to all of you

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> and

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> (Eph 3:4 NIV) In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> (Eph 3:5 NIV) which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God's holy apostles and prophets.

[21:33] <hiallredhere-VHL687> thank you bob for the good study night

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> Bye Red - God bless!

[21:33] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless You Red

[21:33] <Rich-VHL> 5see ya red

[21:33] <Ken-VHL> Shalom Red

[21:33] <Eagle-VHL> bye red!

[21:34] <gumbee-VHL> goodnite red

[21:34] <Eagle-VHL> Bob, is it because we already know about Yeshua, then, that Isaiah is so clear to us?

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[21:34] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4hey yall gotta go love yall

[21:34] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4hubby home

[21:34] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4see ya mon or thursday bob thanks for the great chat

[21:34] <Ken-VHL> Paul thought so

[21:34] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4no no no its liz

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> See ya Liz! :)

[21:34] <Iamindisguise-VHL> 4silly

[21:34] <Eagle-VHL> By Disguise

[21:34] <Rich-VHL> 5see ya lam

[21:34] <chat-VHL> So there will be a time when the children of Isreal will have thier eyes opened to thier savior.

[21:34] <Ken-VHL> shalom lam

[21:34] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless you and Your Hubby

[21:35] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Liz and Red.

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[21:35] <VCI-Bob> It's clear, Eagle, because God has opened our eyes to see it, right?

[21:35] <chat-VHL> Bye Liz.

[21:35] <Ken-VHL> liz

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 5thats when they call on the Lord again chat

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Chat, their will, certainly, without doubt

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> there will

[21:36] <chat-VHL> They should think about doing that soon:)

[21:36] <Eagle-VHL> It is hard for me to read it and not wonder why they dont' see it now. I feel sorry for them

[21:36] <Rich-VHL> 5still blinded Eagle

[21:37] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Why should it be any easier for the Jews. The church still doesn't accept the prophets in a lot of cases.

[21:37] <Eagle-VHL> The church has no excuse Bezalel

[21:38] <Rich-VHL> 5I was just wondering when you would say some thing Bez and you are right

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Back to v 8:

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> From prison and trial they led him away to his death. But who among the people realized that he was dying for their sins—that he was suffering their punishment?

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:8 NIV) By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken.

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> "Who can speak of His descendants" - this is interesting, because.....

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 5brings tears to my eyes

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> this man will have seemed to be not a success, but in a few verses, we will see that He was in fact a great success

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 5must mean the Hebrews huh Bob

[21:39] <Eagle-VHL> Isaiah is speaking past tense. Wouldn't that be confusing?

[21:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2We are to be his bride, not his children?

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> even though He was "cut off"

[21:39] <chat-VHL> What does it mean "who can speak of his descendants"?

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Eagle, we see very often in Bible prophecy that tenses are different, because they are looking forward or back

[21:40] <Eagle-VHL> Is that why it says He was crucified from the foundation of the earth, or something like that?

[21:40] <Rich-VHL> 5He came to His own and they received Him not

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Iook at this translation, perhaps it's clearer, Chat:

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:8 NRSV) By a perversion of justice he was taken away. Who could have imagined his future? For he was cut off from the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people.

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[21:41] <VCI-Bob> "who could have imagined His future" - He was prematurely cut off

[21:41] <Ken-VHL> Time is a human tool God works in eternity

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> with no apparent "descendents" spiritually speaking

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> an apparent failure

[21:42] <Rich-VHL> 5apparent yes

[21:42] <Bezalel-VHL> 2He who was, and is, and will be, huh, Ken.

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> killed in his prime

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> BUT

[21:42] <Ken-VHL> Right Bez

[21:42] <Rich-VHL> 5to the worlds eyes huh

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> we will soon see otherwise

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> first, v 9:

[21:42] <Eagle-VHL> I pray everyone's eyes will open to Him

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> He had done no wrong, and he never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave.

[21:43] <chat-VHL> AH I see.

[21:43] <Z-VHL> i gotta run, c y''all and God Bless in Jesus' name

[21:43] <Eagle-VHL> and their hearts too

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> He had done no wrong, and he never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave.

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[21:43] <Rich-VHL> 5Amen Eagle

[21:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Z

[21:43] <Eagle-VHL> Bye Z

[21:43] <Rich-VHL> 5God Bless Z

[21:43] <Ken-VHL> Shalom Z

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:9 NIV) He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> What was this a prophecy about?

[21:43] <Eagle-VHL> The thieves?

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> Yes, and what else?

[21:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Wasn't the tomb that of a rich man, literally?

[21:44] <Eagle-VHL> Or criminals, on crosses too?

[21:44] <Rich-VHL> 5tell us Bob I can't think tonight

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> (Mat 27:57 NIV) As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus.

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> (Mat 27:58 NIV) Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him.

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> (Mat 27:59 NIV) Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> (Mat 27:60 NIV) and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away.

[21:45] <Eagle-VHL> Bezalel was right!

[21:45] <Bezalel-VHL> 2In the words of a friend, :BLUSH

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 5lol BEz

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Isaiah foresaw the criminals on the other crosses, and the tomb in which Jesus would be laid

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> And, once again, Jesus' innocence

[21:46] <Eagle-VHL> This is good, but I can't stay long tonight. I hope to come back soon. Shalom and goodnight

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Shalom!

[21:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Now that is accurate reporting. CNN could use Isaiah!

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[21:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Eagle.

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Very accurate, and hundreds of years in advance!

[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 5yes Bez

[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 5only God could have done it

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> RIght, Rich!

[21:47] <Ken-VHL> Sorry friends, I must go for tonight, too. Shalom All, Thanks Bob, GOD bless.

[21:47] <Dex-VHL> 7They could but they wouldn't. Ted Turner is about as anti'christian as they come.

[21:48] <Rich-VHL> 5God Bless Ken

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Fulfilled prophecy, so clear and convincing, is a powerful witness to the veracity of the Scriptures

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> See ya Ken! Thanks for coming!!

[21:48] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I've always said that the prophets are my proof for the truth of scripture.

[21:48] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Ken

[21:48] <Rich-VHL> 5me too Bez

[21:48] <gumbee-VHL> I must go too, so God Bless and it was good to 'listen;' in good-nite

[21:48] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Gumbee

[21:48] <Rich-VHL> 5see ya gumbee

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> See ya Gumbee! God bless!

[21:49] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless you Gumbee

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[21:49] <chat-VHL> Well they are going to have two powerfull prophets come to them.

[21:49] <Ken-VHL> For those who believe no proof is needed For those who don't no proof is enough. Shalom.

[21:49] <Rich-VHL> 5Bob where does it say the end is near when we see Jerusalem surronded by armies

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Though Jesus the Messiah was entirely guiltless, as the last verse said,

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> 10But it was the LORD'S good plan to crush him and fill him with grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have a multitude of children, many heirs. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD'S plan will prosper in his hands.

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Hold on Rich, we gotta finish here :)

[21:50] <Rich-VHL> 5ok

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:10 NIV) Yet it was the Lord's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> This tells us more about the atonement of the Messiah

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> what do we see here?

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[21:51] <Rich-VHL> 5brings joy to my eyes now

[21:52] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The followers or faithful will serve as his "descendents." He will spread the gospel, even after his death.

[21:52] <Rich-VHL> 5He was crushed for us and we are His offspring

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Right, Bez! And Rich!

[21:52] <Rich-VHL> 5this is how He prospers I think

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> Notice the contrast from before - it seemed he had failed, with no descendants, but now look -many children! (that's us!)

[21:53] <Rich-VHL> 5Joy to the world for His sacrifice

[21:54] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bring on the white linen!

[21:54] <Rich-VHL> 5it was hard for Him too

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> It was God's plan and purpose all along to "crush" the Messiah, for our benefit - the only way we could be rescued from our sins!

[21:54] <Rich-VHL> 5I couldn't have done it

[21:54] <Rich-VHL> 5Amen Bob

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Can you imagine spending 40 days in the wasteland with Satan beating you up for your faith.

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> But - the final outcome is "a long life" (can't get much longer than eternal, huh?) :)

[21:55] <Rich-VHL> 5very hard Bez

[21:55] <Dex-VHL> 7:-)

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Eternity is a loooong time. :-)

[21:55] <Rich-VHL> 5true Bob

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> And God's plan will prosper in the Messiah's hand - in the future, all the world will see Him reign on the earth

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 5King of Kings forever

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> Isaiah expounds more on this:

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of what he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins.

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:11 NASB) As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied; By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many, As He will bear their iniquities.

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[21:57] <VCI-Bob> God's anger towards us is fully satisfied because of the "anguish of His soul" that Jesus experienced on the cross, taking our sins on himself

[21:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The term justify the many says a lot.

[21:57] <Rich-VHL> 5to satisfy the law of God that we have to die

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> As He makes it possible for us to be counted as righteous

[21:57] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Thank you, Jesus.

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> This is an astonishing proclamation of the good news, way ahead of time

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> Yes, thank you

[21:58] <Rich-VHL> 5oh yes it is Bob

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[21:58] <Rich-VHL> 5Blessed Jesus

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Our faith is with You, and in You, and for You.

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> And the final outcome?.

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 5I wonder when the Jewish people will be un blinded to this

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> 12I will give him the honors of one who is mighty and great, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among those who were sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> (Isa 53:12 NIV) Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 5and call on His Holy name

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> He alone is great, and will be honored as great. Not only because of who He is, but because He "poured out his life unto death" for us!

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> The most amazing story in the world

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> He was counted as a sinner, so we could be forgiven!

[22:00] <Rich-VHL> 5all for us His people huh

[22:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And Isaiah passed this on 700 years before it happened. :-)

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> He bore our sins, and continues to intercede for us

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez, it's incredible how detailed and clear this is

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 5Glory to God in the Highest

[22:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Truth....

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 5hello truth

[22:01] <truth-VHL> 5good morning all ye saints

[22:01] <Dex-VHL> 7HI truth

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 54

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> But not really that incredible - God planned it out, and saw it all in advance, so for Him, it's no big deal to disclose it in detail hundreds of years ahead of time

[22:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Alpha and Omega!

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Mr Truth! God's blessings to you!

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[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Hallelujah!

[22:02] <skip-VHL> 4hi ALL! How is everyone?

[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 4Oh the genus of God huh Bez

[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 4hey skip

[22:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Skip

[22:03] <truth-VHL> 5:-)

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[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Skip, we are great! We just concluded a study of the most amazing prophecy in the Bible - Isaiah 53

[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 43I changed from your color skip

[22:03] <Dex-VHL> 7Good night all and God Bless. I enjoyed the chat as always. May God keep your hearts full of love and understanding.

[22:03] <skip-VHL> 4I missed you guys again

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> You MUST read the chat log tomorrow :)

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> See ya Dex!

[22:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Dex.

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> God bless!

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[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 3God Bless you too Dex

[22:04] <skip-VHL> 4my color ? rich lol

[22:04] <Rich-VHL> 3your here now skip

[22:04] <skip-VHL> 4Shalom DEX

[22:04] <Rich-VHL> 3yes skip yours is red

[22:04] <chat-VHL> I got back on and your done my computer froze up! Good night and the Lord bless you all.

[22:04] <skip-VHL> 4lol

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> See ya Chat!

[22:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'll say good night. The newlyweds just showed up. (My son and his new wife :-))

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 3God Bless chat

[22:05] <skip-VHL> 4will read it tomorrow

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> Night Bez! A pleasure as always to have you!

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[22:05] <skip-VHL> 4G-D BLESS ALL

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 3God Bless Bez

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 3you too skip

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> As is most everyone in these chats - always a delight for me!

[22:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And a real blessing for me, Bob. Thanks.

[22:05] <skip-VHL> 4maybe MONDAY

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[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 3for sure skip

[22:06] <skip-VHL> 4HEY BOB GREAT MUSIC ON ANTHEM

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> You liked it, huh! I'm glad!!

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 3I'll be getting along too God Bless you all

[22:06] <skip-VHL> 4I managed to down load it

[22:07] <truth-VHL> 5well it seems I was late this morning so I bid you all GOOD NIGHT

[22:07] <skip-VHL> 4really good BOB

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> See ya Rich! Thanks again for your presence and contributions!

[22:07] <skip-VHL> 4NITE RICH

[22:07] <truth-VHL> 5see you maybe next week OR in the prayer room over the weekend

[22:07] <Rich-VHL> 3love it Bob see ya

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> Truth, we're glad you came! Be sure to read the log!

[22:08] <Rich-VHL> 3you too skip

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[22:08] <skip-VHL> 4:->

[22:08] <truth-VHL> 5will do

[22:08] <skip-VHL> 4SHALOM BOB&TRUTH

[22:08] <truth-VHL> 5goin to prayer room Bye 4 now

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> Shalom!

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