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[19:51] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7Hello Bob!

[19:51] <Runningdeer-VHL> Hi

[19:52] <VCI-Bob> Hello Deer, and Peacemaker! Shalom in the name of Jesus! :)

[19:52] <Runningdeer-VHL> 'Shalom

[19:52] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7It is great to be back!

[19:53] <VCI-Bob> We're glad you both made it tonight to Bible Prophecy Chat! :)

[19:53] <Runningdeer-VHL> This is my first time here

[19:53] <VCI-Bob> I see you are here early, to get "good seats"

[19:53] <VCI-Bob> First time, Deer? Great! :)

[19:53] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes

[19:54] <VCI-Bob> We always have interesting and invigorating chats here - lots of good people

[19:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> I have been just outside the door for awhile now

[19:54] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7Yes...you are right! I am eager to hear how things are going in Israel.

[19:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes

[19:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes me to

[19:54] <VCI-Bob> Things in Israel are unsettled, at best......

[19:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> I understand that you are an op in the room

[19:54] <VCI-Bob> I'm the moderator of the chat, yes

[19:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> Ok

[19:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> I think you know may know a good friend of mine

[19:55] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7When are the new elections to take place.

[19:55] <VCI-Bob> I read a late report that "high level peace talks" are resuming in Israel

[19:55] <VCI-Bob> Feb 6 I believe

[19:55] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Deer? Who is that?

[19:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> Do you know Mame?

[19:56] <VCI-Bob> Mame? Not sure, unless she goes by another name in this chat?

[19:56] <Runningdeer-VHL> I don't know about that but she used to come in a lot she said before I even met her

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> Barak still trails Sharon badly in the polls...

[19:57] <Runningdeer-VHL> She was the one that told me about this website

[19:57] <VCI-Bob> Well, she probably used some alias then, most people do

[19:57] <Runningdeer-VHL> and said that it was very good and that I should come dometime

[19:57] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7Is there still a lot of shotting incidents going on and are there some places that are relatively safe?

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> There have been rumors that Barak will step aside and let Peres lead the Labor Party into the elections

[19:58] <Runningdeer-VHL> well she lost her cookie and can't get back in VHL and I was wonmdering if you can help her get back in

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> Still some shooting, and today a powerful bomb was defused in the Mea Shearim (ultra orthodox) neighborhood of Jerusalem

[19:58] <VCI-Bob> "lost her cookie"? :)

[19:59] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7What is your impression of Peres as a leader? I have my doubts.

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> Perhaps I can help her

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[19:59] <VCI-Bob> Peres is as bad as Barak, in my opinion

[19:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes she lost her cookie

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> or maybe worse

[19:59] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Bez! :)

[19:59] <Bezalel-VHL> Good evening all!

[19:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> Hi Bez

[20:00] <VCI-Bob> Well, if she is tech savvy, she could go in and delete the old cookie :)

[20:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> Now Bez would know Mame.

[20:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes

[20:00] <Runningdeer-VHL> Mame has been asking me about you

[20:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I haven't gone to her chat room for quite awhile.

[20:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2She still having problems getting in?

[20:01] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7But I am somewhat afraid of what type of leader Sharon would be...but better than BArak

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> There is another way to get in here, directly through Talk City, but it's a little involved

[20:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes she lost her cookie

[20:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2She should be able to re-register for VHL

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Tell us your feelings about Sharon, PM

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> It's possible the old cookie might still be there but invalid (a rotting cookie?) :)

[20:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> I can check with her about that

[20:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> lol

[20:03] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7He is very hawkish and even though I am inclined towards that direction, I am afraid that he may be a bit careless.

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Peacemaker, what's your worst case scenario if that happens?

[20:04] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7Armegeddan..........................

[20:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That's going to happen, no matter what, Peacemaker.

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> We're a little ways away from that, I think, but Bez is right, it's gonna happen, and it will be God's action when it does

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[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Called_out!

[20:05] <called__out-VHL> Hello dear friends :)

[20:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Called.

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[20:05] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7I know but I kind of thought that that was a little down the road.

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, 6minutes!

[20:05] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> hi all bob who am i

[20:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Iam, or should I say Liz?

[20:06] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> oh thats not fair

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Some of us here, PM are of the opinion that war is going to happen soon

[20:06] <called__out-VHL> Hi Liz

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Good shot, Bez :)

[20:06] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> oh bez your good how you know

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Actually you were only 4 minutes late :)

[20:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You were LizIamLate last time, Liz.

[20:06] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> well Bob in ohio i was 6 minutes lol

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Ahhhhh :)

[20:07] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> i know that was good memory bez

[20:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-), Ohio on CST+3

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Just before the chat I was reading some comments by Sec Def Cohen

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> Interesting... I'll post them

[20:07] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> okay Bob

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> From the J Post: WASHINGTON (January 12) - US Secretary of Defense William Cohen said yesterday that Israel remains strong militarily despite a perception in Damascus that it has entered a period of weakness.

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Speaking at the Woodrow Wilson Center here, Cohen appeared to be sending a message to the Syrian leadership. Over the past few weeks the US has been working behind the scenes to ward off a flare-up between Israel and Syria or Israel and Hizbullah forces in south Lebanon.

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Syria has a new president, and I think it's very important that the Syrian leadership not mistake what is taking place in Israel as any sign of weakness," Cohen said. "There's some notion that somehow, because the Israelis either pulled out unilaterally out of southern Lebanon or failed to respond militarily when some of their soldiers were kidnapped and apprehended, that Israel is weak. That would be a big mistake."

[20:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2That perception will fade with Sharon as PM.

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[20:09] <VCI-Bob> In this chat, we have often discussed the possibility (probability?) that a prophesied war with Syria is imminent, resulting in the destruction of Damascus

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> and these reports tend to indicate that

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Delta! :)

[20:09] <Delta-VHL> Shalom, Bob!

[20:09] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> hi delta

[20:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Delta.

[20:10] <called__out-VHL> Good to see you Delta :)

[20:10] <Delta-VHL> :-) Hi Liz!

[20:10] <Delta-VHL> Shalom all!

[20:10] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> hahahaha

[20:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Delta knew too!

[20:10] <Delta-VHL> Bob, keep going, sounds good!

[20:10] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> yeah hmmmmm think of better one next time

[20:10] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, your disguise isn't very good, sixmin :)

[20:10] <Delta-VHL> (I came to learn...hee hee!)

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[20:10] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> oopss hmmmm

[20:10] <Runningdeer-VHL> Hi Delta! I'm Runningdeer

[20:10] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> me too bob keep typing

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Delta, I just quoted from a J Post article where Cohen warned Syria

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[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Ken! Glad to have you join us!

[20:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Red!

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> And Red also! Shalom to you!

[20:11] <Delta-VHL> :-) Red!

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> More from the article:

[20:11] <red-VHL> hi everyone

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Cohen warned of a steep escalation in regional hostilities if no peace agreement is reached between Israel and the Palestinians and said fighting has the potential "to spread will beyond Israel itself and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> "It's a descent into hell," he said of the current situation

[20:11] <called__out-VHL> Welcome Red :)

[20:11] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> hi red!!!!!!!!!!

[20:11] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7Yes...but are you, Bob comfortable with Sharon?

[20:12] <Delta-VHL> Wow, Bob.

[20:12] <Runningdeer-VHL> I've been heaing some good things about you

[20:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Regional, huh? Sounds pretty scriptural.

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Yes, PM, I think Sharon is the man that Israel needs now

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Right, Bez

[20:12] <Delta-VHL> Sharon! Sharon! Sharon!

[20:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen, Bob.

[20:12] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[20:12] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> amen all SHARON :) :) :)

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Sharon is not as extreme as his opponents paint him

[20:12] <Delta-VHL> nope.

[20:13] <Delta-VHL> Bob, there is only one person I can think of who would be better, and that is Feiglin

[20:13] <Delta-VHL> But, that's just my opinion. :-)

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> I would say he is a realist regarding the Arab neighbors, as opposed to the rose colored feel gooders like Barak :)

[20:13] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7I was so upset to find out that Netanyahu was out of the picture...

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> I don't know much about him, Delta

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Probably only temporarily, PM

[20:14] <Delta-VHL> He started the planning of the rally last Monday.

[20:14] <Delta-VHL> oops

[20:14] <Delta-VHL> :->

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> I was reading from a fascinating book this evening - it's a classic.....

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[20:15] <Geneva-VHL> Hi everyone

[20:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Geneva.

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> "The Coming Prince" by Sir Robert Anderson - was written sometime in the mid to late 1800s

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Geneva! :)

[20:15] <Delta-VHL> Geneva! :-)

[20:15] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> hmm Bob i have heard of that and?????

[20:15] <red-VHL> hi Geneva

[20:16] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> Hi geneva

[20:16] <Runningdeer-VHL> Hi Geneva

[20:16] <Delta-VHL> Is this a good prince?

[20:16] <Geneva-VHL> Delta Send me Stan address I lost it. I need to send him some money

[20:16] <Delta-VHL> LOL Geneva....Bob has it! :-)

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> What was very interesting was what Sir Robert (very very knowledgable in Bible prophecy) was saying at that time, long before there was a Zionist movement, about the certainty that Israel would be restored to the land in fulfillments of God's Word

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> This book is a classic because it was the first, or one of the first, I believe, to calculated in detail the number of days in the "Seventy Sevens" prophecy of Daniel

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[20:18] <VCI-Bob> And it's very well written

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Farrell

[20:18] <Delta-VHL> (Farrell!)

[20:18] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> hi farell

[20:18] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> hey red im here in case you were wondering haha

[20:18] <red-VHL> hi farrell glad you can join the party

[20:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Farrell

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Geneva, email me and I'll send you Stan's address

[20:18] <farrell-VHL> 2Thanks Bob. You have a good crowd tonight :) Shalom all of you :)

[20:18] <Runningdeer-VHL> Hi Farrell

[20:18] <Runningdeer-VHL> Shalom

[20:18] <red-VHL> is that you liz

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Yes, a very good crowd! Well behaved, good looking, and smart! :)

[20:19] <farrell-VHL> 2:) I'm sure

[20:19] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> Bob said i did not have a good disguise lol

[20:19] <called__out-VHL> That's us Bob :)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> :)

[20:19] <red-VHL> im only good looking on the computer bob

[20:19] <ken-VHL> queit too!

[20:19] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> lol

[20:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:->

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[20:19] <called__out-VHL> Hi Ken :)

[20:19] <Geneva-VHL> Thanks Bob

[20:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Oops Delta!

[20:20] <ken-VHL> Hi c_out

[20:20] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7Did you learn anything from the book you were reading Bob?

[20:20] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> hi ken

[20:20] <Runningdeer-VHL> Well this iis my first time here you guys and I'm not as smart as you are

[20:20] <farrell-VHL> 2sure you are runningdeer :)

[20:20] <Bezalel-VHL> 2If you know Mame, your not far behind.

[20:20] <red-VHL> welcome runningdeer hope you enjoy it

[20:21] <called__out-VHL> Sure you are Runningdeer, we are all learning.

[20:21] <Runningdeer-VHL> Ok

[20:21] <ken-VHL> Hi all. Just continue, I'm watching.

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Peacemaker, I thought it was interesting that well over 100 years ago this man, who knew the Lord, knew that Israel would be restored to the land as a nation, while today, some supposed "Christians" even deny that it was God's doing at all!

[20:21] <farrell-VHL> 2Mame?

[20:21] <Runningdeer-VHL> She was the one who told me about you and Bob and Delta

[20:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Mame, aka Marion.

[20:21] <farrell-VHL> 2Oh :)

[20:21] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes

[20:22] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7I am truly amazed that I got to see a real prophecy fulfilled ....a major one at that!

[20:22] <Runningdeer-VHL> Ahnd she wanted me to meet you Delta

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> And it was interesting as he speculated about the demise of the then Ottoman Empire (which ruled "Palestine" at the time) and who would take power next, etc

[20:22] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bob, before we get too deep into a subject, could I ask one question.

[20:22] <farrell-VHL> 2Catch us up, Bob and peacemaker. What book are you reading?

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Peacemaker, we are going to see a lot more yet :)

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Sure, Bez

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> It's "The Coming Prince" by Sir Robert Anderson, written in the mid to late 1800s

[20:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The Seven Thunders in Rev. 10, have you read anything, or know anything about what they were?

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> a classic book of Bible prophecy

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> let me look, Bez

[20:23] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> We Are Blessed to be alive right Now wow!!!!!!

[20:23] <peacemaker1-VHL> 7Yes...I guess we were truly born for 'such a time as this'

[20:23] <Runningdeer-VHL> So how long has the study been going on?

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. (Revelation 10:1 NIV)

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, (Revelation 10:2 NIV)

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. (Revelation 10:3 NIV)

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, "Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down." (Revelation 10:4 NIV)

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Its funny you should ask Bez, because I was thinking about this at dinner tonight (at a Chinese buffet) :)

[20:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I found it interesting that John was told not to write them down.

[20:24] <called__out-VHL> I have wondered about this too Bez.

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> How some people think they might know what that "seven thunders" spoke, or speculate, but my opinion is that we don't know because God didn't want us to know yet, obviously

[20:25] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> yep bob

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> He did reveal an awful lot, but that was one thing He decided to keep under wraps for now

[20:25] <ken-VHL> Any guess why?

[20:26] <Geneva-VHL> Do you think he may reveal that to someone soom

[20:26] <farrell-VHL> 2It's kinda like when God told Daniel to seal up what he wrote. Then God has told John not to seal up what he wrote in Revelation. God will tell us when it is His time to tell us.

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> Why? I have no idea :)

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> Like most aspects of prophecy, they become clearer, and will increasingly do so, as the time approaches

[20:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I was just curious....they were tucked in between the Trumpets and Bowls...

[20:27] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> thats true bob

[20:27] <Geneva-VHL> But in these last day He has be revealing thing to us that was never know until now from Daniel and Revelation

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> Many of the prophets has no idea what they were writing about back then, just recording what they saw in the future

[20:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

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[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Geneva, some things, we won't know until the time comes, I suppose?

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[20:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Like Derek Prince says, 86% of all prophecies have been fulfilled, and he's betting on the the remainder being fulfilled.

[20:28] <farrell-VHL> 2It says somewhere in New Testament that the prophets of old longed to see what was happening in Jesus' time. So I guess they longed to see our time too?

[20:29] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> well bob i had been stressin over daniel 9 27 and it finally became clear

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> Even in Johns day, before he wrote Revelation, many of the OT prophecies had no "context" until he brought them together in that book, so we can see the "big picture"

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, Bez, a very good bet :)

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> Yes,Liz?

[20:29] <chat-VHL> hello all, israel here to listen, chat and learn

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> Right, Farrell

[20:29] <Delta-VHL> Shalom chat!

[20:29] <red-VHL> hi chat

[20:29] <farrell-VHL> 2Very good! Bez :0

[20:29] <ken-VHL> We sure have an interesting perspective.

[20:30] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom Delta :)

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, (1 Peter 1:10 NIV)

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. (1 Peter 1:11 NIV)

[20:30] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> well i had read a study where people said that It was Jesus being referred to but it cant be cuz it says after 62 weeks he be cut off

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> That's what you were referring to, Farrell?

[20:30] <farrell-VHL> 2Right :):)

[20:30] <farrell-VHL> 2thanks

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things. (1 Peter 1:12 NIV)

[20:30] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> bad typos oops

[20:31] <farrell-VHL> 2Brothers and Sisters, we are indeed a blessed generation :)

[20:31] <VCI-Bob> Liz, elaborate on that more, please, if you would

[20:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 2WB Delta

[20:31] <Delta-VHL> :-) Bez, all. Listening and learning! :-)

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[20:31] <VCI-Bob> Daniel's "Seventy Sevens" prophecy does indeed speak of the Messiah being "cut off" after a very specific period of time

[20:32] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> well Bob there is a small minorit that believes that daniel 9 27 was referring to Jesus being the one who made the covenant and it made sense to me

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Well, lets look at that in more detail, then, Liz

[20:32] <Runningdeer-VHL> I believe that

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy place. (Daniel 9:24 NASB)

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[20:33] <VCI-Bob> We'll take one verse at a time.......

[20:33] <Delta-VHL> (I think I hear a trampoline?) :-)

[20:33] <VCI-Bob> First, we know that this prophecy has not yet been fulfilled in its entirety, because all of the things mentioned have not yet occurred, right?

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Only when Jesus returns will some of them be completed

[20:34] <Delta-VHL> yes

[20:34] <red-VHL> right

[20:34] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> yes bob

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. (Daniel 9:25 NASB)

[20:34] <Bezalel-VHL> 2BRB, must start dinner.

[20:34] <farrell-VHL> 2hurry back Bez

[20:35] <Delta-VHL> bring us back some, Bez!

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> That decree was on March 14, 445 BC

[20:35] <Delta-VHL> Bob?

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> and.... calculating it out...

[20:35] <VCI-Bob> yes, Delta?

[20:35] <Delta-VHL> Uh, silly question, but, how do you know it was March 14? Out of curiousity?

[20:36] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> lol

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> good question :)

[20:37] <Delta-VHL> Well, I've never seen you put that kind of date on something before...:-)

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> And I'll have to refer to a book for more info

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> cuz it's not all in my head :)

[20:37] <Delta-VHL> ohh, I thought you had counted it out! lol, sorry?

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> I'm referring to the same book "The Coming Prince"

[20:38] <Delta-VHL> ok

[20:38] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob is that book in print and available?

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> so be patient.... just one moment

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> not sure, Farrell

[20:38] <Delta-VHL> thanks, Bob! :-)

[20:39] <Geneva-VHL> Is that book in the Public Library's

[20:39] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> sorry i started this but it drives me bonkers :) :) :)

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> "The Edict in question was the decree issued by Araxerxes Longimanus in the twentieth year of his reign...."

[20:40] <red-VHL> no saying sorry liz nonono

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> "authorizing Nehemiah to rebuild the fortifications of Jerusalem"

[20:40] <Delta-VHL> (((Liz)))

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> So, it's a fairly concrete date, historically

[20:41] <Delta-VHL> :-)

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[20:41] <ken-VHL> Sorry folks, I gotta close for now. Thanks.

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> "The Persan edict which restored the autonomy of Judah was issued in the Jewish month of Nisan"

[20:41] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> bye ken come back soon

[20:41] <red-VHL> God bless ken have a good night

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> See ya Ken! Thanks for coming!

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[20:42] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Ken!

[20:42] <ken-VHL> Shalom.

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> "The seventy weeks are therefore to be computed from the 1st of Nisan 445 BC"

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[20:42] <VCI-Bob> ok? :)

[20:42] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> ok

[20:42] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[20:43] <called__out-VHL> and calculating forward ?

[20:43] <Geneva-VHL> Is this when Nehemiah came back from Babylon to rebuild the temple

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> and, calculating forward....

[20:43] <VCI-Bob> this computes to 173,880 days....

[20:44] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, did you refer to Nehemiah 2:1? I was cut off for a few minutes.

[20:44] <VCI-Bob> which comes out to April 6 AD 32 - the VERY DATE when Jesus rode the donkey into Jerusalem and was hailed as King in fulfillment of Zechariahs prophecy!!!

[20:45] <Delta-VHL> wow

[20:45] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> wow wow wow wow wow

[20:45] <called__out-VHL> wow!!

[20:45] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> wow

[20:45] <red-VHL> that's cool

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> I first heard that shortly after I became a Christian at age 18, and it BLEW ME AWAY

[20:45] <farrell-VHL> 2too cool

[20:45] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> thats a trip

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> amazin!!!

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. (Daniel 9:26 NASB)

[20:46] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> so we have this last week Bob

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> So, there were 7 weeks, and then 62 weeks, and the Messiah was "cut off" (after 69)

[20:46] <farrell-VHL> 2Such literal and specific fulfillment in that prophecy has to make us know that all future prophecy fulfillment will be just as literal and specific. Right?

[20:46] <Geneva-VHL> The Bible is so accurate in all its prophecies

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> and the seventhy week remains

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Right!!!

[20:47] <Delta-VHL> :-)

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Very well put, Farrell :)

[20:47] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> But Bob

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[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz?

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Annie!

[20:48] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> are we so sure that last week refers to a Peace treaty or something else

[20:48] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Annie!

[20:48] <red-VHL> hi annie

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Very good question

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> let's cover what we missed:

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. (Daniel 9:26 NASB)

[20:48] <Runningdeer-VHL> Hi annie

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> "the prince who is to come" is the antichrist"

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> the people of the prince who is to come is the Romans, destroying Jerusalem in 70 AD

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> As we have seen in Daniel and Rev, the kingdom of the ac is viewed biblically as an extension of the Roman Empire

[20:49] <farrell-VHL> 2Does that mean that the antichrist will be Roman?

[20:49] <Delta-VHL> So, there is time missing between vs. 25 and 26?

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Not necessarily, Farrell

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> let's look at them together:

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. (Daniel 9:26 NASB)

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." (Daniel 9:27 NASB)

[20:50] <Geneva-VHL> The seventhly week will begin when the antichrist confirms the covenant

[20:50] <farrell-VHL> 2ok?

[20:50] <VCI-Bob> Right, Geneva

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> the nature of the covenant is not mentioned here specifically

[20:51] <VCI-Bob> or event that it is with the Jews, on the contrary, it is with "the many"

[20:52] <Delta-VHL> <---one of many?

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> But, one can perhaps infer from the rest of the verse that the covenant has something to do with the resumption of offerings in the rebuilt temple

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> Because, in the middle of the "week" he puts a stop to it, and all hell breaks loose, as we discussed last week

[20:52] <Geneva-VHL> Do you think the covenant is in the process of being written now

[20:52] <Runningdeer-VHL> some of this gets a liottle deep for me but I'm trying to understand as much of it as I can

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Deer, questions are welcome, if you like :)

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[20:53] <Runningdeer-VHL> Thank you

[20:53] <Delta-VHL> I'm trying to catch up too, Deer, so we can learn together, ok? :-)

[20:53] <Runningdeer-VHL> Ok

[20:54] <farrell-VHL> 2So we don't know from this verse the nature of the covenent and we don't know who it is with? Is there another place in Scripture it is mentioned?

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> OK - let's take a breath and examine the questions you may have

[20:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> This is my first time so I didn't get in on the very beginning

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> Farrell, some have supposed that it's the "covenant with death" mentioned by Isaiah - I'm not sure, myself, could be

[20:54] <Delta-VHL> o/

[20:55] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> well bob you said your not sure if this would be a peace treaty

[20:55] <Geneva-VHL> Deer I just enjoy reading what others are saying.

[20:55] <Delta-VHL> Is there time passing between vs. 25 and 26?

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> That's Isaiah 28, if anyone wants to look at it later

[20:55] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> covenant of death

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Right, Liz, I'm not sure what kind of treaty it speaks of - it does not say in Daniel

[20:56] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> okay we drop it then lol

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[20:56] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> so why in revelation does it only speak of 3 1/2 years

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Delta....

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> the 69 weeks, Delta

[20:57] <Delta-VHL> ok. That helps, thanks! :-)

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> or 173800 days :)

[20:57] <Delta-VHL> ok...but we went from Jesus riding into Jerusalem

[20:57] <Delta-VHL> to end times?

[20:57] <VCI-Bob> Liz.... because.....

[20:57] <Delta-VHL> (confused)

[20:57] <farrell-VHL> 2Good question Delta. what are the "times of trouble" mentioned in verse 25 when the temple will be rebuilt? Does that refer to Nehemiah's time?

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> those are the climatic days - the days when God pours out His wrath on the earth

[20:58] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Farrell, I think so

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> Remember, that in the "middle of the week" is when the war in heaven occurs, and Satan is cast down to the earth

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> and the beast sets himself up as God in the temple of God

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> and declares war on all who will not worship him

[21:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And with special vengeance, since he knows his time is short.

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> right, Bez

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[21:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Light.

[21:01] <farrell-VHL> 2where are you in Scripture now?

[21:01] <Delta-VHL> So, the temple has to be rebuilt, which means, more has yet to happen

[21:01] <Annie-VHL> Hi Light

[21:01] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Light!

[21:01] <Delta-VHL> (wb Bez!)

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> And that's when the "rebellion" takes on full force - mankind vigorously and openly turns from God and

[21:01] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom light

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Light!

[21:01] <red-VHL> hi light hows it going tonight

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Right, Delta

[21:01] <Annie-VHL> Bob where are you reading

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[21:02] <Runningdeer-VHL> Shalom to you, Light

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> Ummmmm - just quoting out of my head, various places

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> 2 Thess 2, Rev 12

[21:02] <Bezalel-VHL> 2This is mostly in Revelations...isn't it Bob?

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> Rev 13

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[21:02] <farrell-VHL> 2ok thanks :)

[21:02] <VCI-Bob> a lot of it, yes

[21:02] <Delta-VHL> Bob, you are a great concordance! (That's a compliment!) :-)

[21:03] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, siree, Bob!

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> Yeah, I look terrific with a book cover :)

[21:03] <red-VHL> lol

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[21:03] <Runningdeer-VHL> lol

[21:03] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob are you aware that the log doesn't always get the numbers right? Sometimes I look for Bible references and the numbers are not there

[21:03] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Farrell - Stan does some editing, and the numbers get messed up somehow

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> (Sorry Stan, didn't mean to place blame on ya, ole boy) :)

[21:04] <Runningdeer-VHL> My dad would love this study

[21:04] <Delta-VHL> LOL

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[21:04] <farrell-VHL> 2ok. That is reason I was trying to get references here, now. :)

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Vern!

[21:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Give him the URL, Deer!

[21:04] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Vern!

[21:04] <Vern-VHL> Hi Bob

[21:04] <red-VHL> hi there vern

[21:05] <Annie-VHL> Hi Vern

[21:05] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Vern

[21:05] <Delta-VHL> Ok, Bob, where is Syria fitting in this?

[21:05] <Runningdeer-VHL> Well they don't have a computer...........YET!!!

[21:05] <Delta-VHL> Print the log out for him, Deer! :-)

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[21:06] <VCI-Bob> Let me insert a short encouragement: There are many things in life we can excel at, and become skilled at. But the person who has a great desire to be skilled in the Word of God (with everything that goes along with that) is a great asset to the Lord, and can be greatly used. So... aspire to be knowledgable :)

[21:06] <Runningdeer-VHL> How do I print this dialogue out for him?

[21:06] <Delta-VHL> Amen, Bob! :-)

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> But not just acedemic knowledge - that will kill your devotion real quick

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[21:07] <Runningdeer-VHL> I want to print tonights study out for him

[21:07] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen, Bob!

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> Delta, in my opinion, which may not be widely held, the war with Syria is impending, and will set the stage politically for the rise of the antichrist

[21:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Deer, the log will be available from the VHL main page, tomorrow. Call it up and then print from your browser print.

[21:08] <Delta-VHL> I think you may be right, Bob...sadly.

[21:08] <Annie-VHL> I thinjk you're right Bob

[21:09] <Vern-VHL> The city of Damascus will be laid to rubble in one day, if I remember correctly.

[21:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2But, try and get the churches to declare this...

[21:09] <Delta-VHL> 2 Kings 19:32 shows how G-d wiped out some folks in a day...

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> Right, Vern - Isaiah 17:1

[21:09] <farrell-VHL> 2Is your "War on the Horizon" still available Bob? I have referred to it quite a lot in our Sunday School studies.

[21:09] <Annie-VHL> Tell me how Bez

[21:09] <Delta-VHL> ^5 Vern

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> It's on my website, Farrell, and also here on VHL on the prophecy channel

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[21:10] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Rich!

[21:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I don't know either, Annie. That's the real challenge today.

[21:10] <Delta-VHL> :-) Rich!

[21:10] <Rich-VHL> 7

[21:10] <Annie-VHL> Hi Rich

[21:10] <farrell-VHL> 2I recommend it, you all.

[21:10] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Rich.

[21:10] <red-VHL> hi there rich

[21:10] <Rich-VHL> 77

[21:11] <Vern-VHL> Hi Rich

[21:11] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom Rich :)

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> In the book by Sir Robert Anderson, he referred to this saying by Jesus:

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

[21:11] <Rich-VHL> 7Hi all having trouble getting started

[21:11] <Annie-VHL> You know Ve some of them i don't think wnat to hear about it

[21:11] <Runningdeer-VHL> Shalom to you, Rich

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> Luke 21:24

[21:11] <red-VHL> i gotta go guys gotta do some reading before bed God's blessing to all

[21:11] <Runningdeer-VHL> Bye Red

[21:11] <farrell-VHL> 2good night red :)

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> And I was thinking about that in terms of the situation in Jerusalem today

[21:11] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Red! Nice seeing you again!

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> See ya Red! :)

[21:11] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Red

[21:11] <Annie-VHL> God Bless Red

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[21:12] <Vern-VHL> Shalom Red

[21:12] <Delta-VHL> yes, Bob?

[21:12] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, is this where the "times of the Gentiles" refers to the gentiles controlling Jerusalem?

[21:12] <Rich-VHL> 7Annie, Bez, Delta, farrell, lam, red, running, Bob, its good to be here

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[21:12] <Delta-VHL> :-) Rich

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> "the times of the Gentiles" to me refers to the time when Gentile kingdoms are in power, as defined by Daniel chapter 2

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[21:13] <Rich-VHL> 7I think so too Bob

[21:13] <Runningdeer-VHL> Shalom Nina

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> the four great kingdoms of man, with the final kingdom being the kingdom of the beast, and extension of the Roman Empire

[21:13] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Nina

[21:13] <Rich-VHL> 7hi Vern

[21:14] <Catalina-VHL> Shalom all

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> which will be crushed by the Kingdom of the Lord Jesus

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Hello, Nina and Catalina!

[21:14] <Runningdeer-VHL> I don't see these people coming in or leaving

[21:14] <Rich-VHL> 7hey Cat how are you

[21:14] <Delta-VHL> So, it continues until Messiah comes again, right?

[21:14] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Nina!

[21:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Cat and Nina

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> Right, Delta

[21:14] <Vern-VHL> thanks Rich, I thought that you forgot me

[21:14] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Catalina!

[21:14] <Nina-VHL> Hi everyone, I am also in a private chat so be patient:-)

[21:14] <Catalina-VHL> hey rich I am doing just fine

[21:14] <Runningdeer-VHL> I just happened to see how many were in here

[21:14] <Runningdeer-VHL> And I saw her nick pop up

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> So, we can conclude from that, that Jerusalem will be "trampled on" to one extent or another until Jesus shows up to liberate her

[21:15] <Rich-VHL> 7I just didn't see ya vern sometimes everyone doesn't show up on the list at first

[21:16] <farrell-VHL> 2So, Bob, you don't see today's Israel being in control of the Temple Mount? Or, can they go ahead and build their temple even with the Muslims sharing the mount?

[21:16] <Delta-VHL> Bob, some Gentiles don't want Israel trampled on..

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[21:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2WB Light

[21:16] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> i be back in a minut ehubby got use phone

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> Farrell, even though Israel captured Israel in 1967, because the Temple Mount is not effectively under their control, it's still being "trampled on" in my view

[21:16] <Delta-VHL> We'll look for ya Liz!

[21:17] <Delta-VHL> agreed Bob

[21:17] <Runningdeer-VHL> Oh welcome back Light

[21:17] <Vern-VHL> Bob could the "time" be when the Church is raptured out

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> And as far as sharing the mount - that will never never never happen

[21:17] <farrell-VHL> 2you're right. it is

[21:17] <farrell-VHL> 2then how will the temple be built?

[21:17] <Delta-VHL> G-d will not share with pagan god

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[21:17] <Rich-VHL> 7Bob what about Zechariah I think chapter 14 where it says the holy city will be taken and half ofthe people will taken out of her

[21:17] <Vern-VHL> Amen Bob Amen

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> OK - question overload.... :)

[21:17] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen Bob

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[21:18] <Rich-VHL> 7:-)

[21:18] <farrell-VHL> 2we'll wait:)

[21:18] <Delta-VHL> Taking a break for Bob to catch up...(smile)

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> Farrell, the temple will be rebuilt, I think, after the Dome of the Rock has been supernaturally turn down, and the Arab powers have been so overwhelmingly defeating in the coming war as to not be a factor

[21:19] <Delta-VHL> It's amazing anyone is able to keep up with us! :-)

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> torn down

[21:19] <Rich-VHL> 7I think so too Bob

[21:19] <Delta-VHL> "coming war" is key

[21:19] <farrell-VHL> 2ok - is that before Messiah returns? or after?

[21:19] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Delta

[21:19] <Nina-VHL> looking forward to that day when that ugly dome comes down

[21:20] <Rich-VHL> 7before farrell

[21:20] <Delta-VHL> Amen, Nina!

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[21:20] <Rich-VHL> 7me too Nina

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> before, Farrell

[21:20] <farrell-VHL> 2thanks :)

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[21:20] <VCI-Bob> And yes, I do have Scripture for both of those :)

[21:20] <Delta-VHL> :-) oh goodie! :-)

[21:21] <Rich-VHL> 7you always do Bob

[21:21] <farrell-VHL> 2lets hear it :)

[21:21] <Vern-VHL> if the Arabs are overwhelmingly defeated the when does the 7 year peace treaty come in

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> For the overwhelming defeat of the arabs:

[21:21] <Rich-VHL> 7very soon Vern

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Ezekiel 28:24-26

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> After that, Vern

[21:22] <Rich-VHL> 7hello loght good to see ya

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> And for the demise of the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa mosque:

[21:22] <Rich-VHL> 7light

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> Zechariah 4:6-7

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[21:22] <Delta-VHL> Bob, is it that the Arabs will have to be defeated before they will try to make peace?

[21:22] <Annie-VHL> Hi Light

[21:22] <Delta-VHL> WB Liz!

[21:23] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> im back

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[21:23] <Rich-VHL> 7good lam

[21:23] <Annie-VHL> Hi Liz and lam

[21:23] <Dex-VHL> 3Bob. I have a question?

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Delta, I hesitate to say this, but the surrounding Arab nations may be so badly crushed that "peace" with them will not even be an issue

[21:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Dex

[21:23] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Dex

[21:23] <Delta-VHL> ouch

[21:23] <Dex-VHL> 3Hi yall

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Hi Dex! Fire away

[21:24] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> hahahah lol bob

[21:24] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Dex!

[21:24] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> hi catalina

[21:24] <Rich-VHL> 7true Bob

[21:24] <Annie-VHL> Hi Dex

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> And I know missed questions before, so please repeat if you please

[21:24] <Runningdeer-VHL> Delta, can you im me? My im button won't work for some reason.

[21:25] <Catalina-VHL> where are you liz?

[21:25] <Dex-VHL> 3I hear a good deal of speculation that the original temple (Solomon's) may actually be outside of where the Mosque are. Any comment?

[21:25] <Delta-VHL> Bob gets to answer questions tonight! :-)

[21:25] <Rich-VHL> 7Zechariah 14 Bob, when half of Jerusalem is taken, the people , that is this is what the u.n. will do right?

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> Rich, could be

[21:25] <Annie-VHL> Watch out for that UN

[21:26] <Delta-VHL> So, Bob, you feel that has yet to happen?

[21:26] <Rich-VHL> 7just before Jesus come again

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> Dex, there are various scholarly theories on the placement of Solomon's temple

[21:26] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, Vern asked when the 7 year peace treaty comes in if the Arabs are defeated. Is the covenent and the peace treaty one and the same thing?

[21:26] <Delta-VHL> I was thinking of how Judah and Israel separated after Soloman..

[21:26] <Nina-VHL> good question farrell

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> and the conclusion of some of them leads some to speculate the the Temple Mount will be shared, but I tell you, that will never ever happen

[21:27] <Delta-VHL> amen, Bob!

[21:27] <Dex-VHL> 3Do you give any weight to them?

[21:27] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen Bob

[21:27] <Delta-VHL> Deer, I tried!

[21:27] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> Bob I have a question?????

[21:28] <Delta-VHL> methinks Deer is having techinical difficulties

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> the "covenant with the many" in Daniel 9:27 is not necessarily a "peace treaty" - I have yet to be convinced that it is - but if it is, perhaps, following along our scenario, after the crushing defeat of the Arab countries, Israel will be extremely severely ostracized and criticized by the nations....

[21:28] <Rich-VHL> 7did you all see how arafat and Barak want Bush to keep Clinton on as a peace envoy for the p>a. and Israel

[21:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Deer, are you running a browser, or IRC?

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> and perhaps the ac will step in and make a covenant with the many "nations" to placate them in terms of their anomosity towards Israel

[21:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, Bob!

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> I didn't hear that, Rich - interesting

[21:29] <Rich-VHL> 7I kinda think so too Bob

[21:30] <Delta-VHL> But doesn't G-d say He will be sure people know HE does it? Or am I thinking of a different time?

[21:30] <farrell-VHL> 2Very interesting Bob. That would certainly clear up some puzzling questions I have had. Will ponder that :)

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 7yes Bob it was on the news this mornin

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> ok - what questions did I miss - sorry I can't keep up with all of them

[21:30] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> Hey clinton has a following in Tel Aviv they want him to be PM of Israel lol

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[21:30] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> bob i had one

[21:30] <VCI-Bob> Yes?

[21:30] <Annie-VHL> Lam LOL LOL

[21:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Carville over there again, Liz?

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 7lol lam

[21:30] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> I was wondering why a giraffes neck is so long

[21:30] <Delta-VHL> eeek Liz!

[21:31] <Delta-VHL> ROFL!

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> heh heh

[21:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 2LOL

[21:31] <skip-VHL> 4hi Everyone

[21:31] <Delta-VHL> Shalom Skip!

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> why, to reach the leaves in the high trees, of course!

[21:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Skip

[21:31] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom skip :)

[21:31] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> well i may know the answer

[21:31] <Rich-VHL> 7hello skip glad your here

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:31] <Annie-VHL> Hi Skip

[21:31] <skip-VHL> 4HI glad to be here too thanks

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Hi Skip!

[21:32] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> because his head is way up there

[21:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-), Liz

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> excellent reason - better than mine :)

[21:32] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> lol

[21:32] <Delta-VHL> groan....Liz! ;-)

[21:32] <farrell-VHL> 2:) :) Liz

[21:32] <Nina-VHL> minutes, I collect giraffes and my granny always said God took their voice away cause they always tattle taled on people. And you could be right on about Clinton

[21:32] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> im sorry bob im slap happy

[21:32] <VCI-Bob> I must tell you, I found the first "joke" in the Bible

[21:32] <skip-VHL> 4what does the RED MOON mean?

[21:32] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> go bob

[21:32] <Delta-VHL> uh oh

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> and I told my kids (20 and 18) some months ago but they failed to appreciate it :)

[21:33] <skip-VHL> 4lol

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> it's dry humor, but I think you'll get it

[21:33] <Rich-VHL> 7gotta be a sign huh skip

[21:33] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> okay bob we are ready

[21:33] <Annie-VHL> I was wondering that too skip

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[21:33] <Rich-VHL> 7tell us Bob

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> It's in this verse:

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. (Genesis 1:16 NIV)

[21:34] <Delta-VHL> hmmmm

[21:34] <Annie-VHL> What's the joke?

[21:34] <Rich-VHL> 7read that many times just never gotit before

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> Now, think of the incredible immensity of the universe, the billions of billions of stars, and the awesome power it took to create them.... but God says, "Oh yeah, I also made the stars" - in an offhand way (Jewish humor, if you will) :)

[21:35] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> hahah rofol

[21:35] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Ah!

[21:35] <skip-VHL> 4was there a RED full moon or what?

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> Liz gets it! :)

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 7our sun is a star too Annie

[21:35] <Annie-VHL> LOL got cha

[21:35] <Delta-VHL> yeah. like, "I'll just drop that in"

[21:35] <Delta-VHL> LOL

[21:35] <farrell-VHL> 2ok Bob, I'm just adopted.

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> right :)

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Farrell? :)

[21:36] <Delta-VHL> Red full moon,Bob?

[21:36] <Rich-VHL> 7sure was skip

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Stan told me there was a red full moon in Jerusalem two nights ago

[21:36] <Annie-VHL> Which one of you saw the red moon?

[21:36] <skip-VHL> 4was the moon different than usual in Jersulem this month?

[21:37] <Bezalel-VHL> 2There was a lunar eclipse.

[21:37] <Runningdeer-VHL> I can't get my im button to work

[21:37] <skip-VHL> 4the eclispe

[21:37] <farrell-VHL> 2Where does it talk of a blood moon in the Bible Bob?

[21:37] <farrell-VHL> 2is that supposed to be a sign of some kind?

[21:37] <skip-VHL> 4we had cloud cover here so didnt see it

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> A few places, Farrell...

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and billows of smoke. (Joel 2:30 NIV)

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD. (Joel 2:31 NIV)

[21:38] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> actually the pic on Jpost the moon looked purple and yellow

[21:38] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> it was awesome

[21:38] <farrell-VHL> 2It seems like I have read it before but couldn't remember where. Thanks :)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> "Immediately after the distress of those days "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' (Matthew 24:29 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. (Matthew 24:30 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, (Revelation 6:12 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. (Revelation 6:13 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. (Revelation 6:14 NIV)

[21:38] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> wheres that scripture that it atlsk about that day being unique Bob

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. (Revelation 6:14 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. (Revelation 6:15 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! (Revelation 6:16 NIV)

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?" (Revelation 6:17 NIV)

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> Zechariah, Liz

[21:39] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> i love that one Bob

[21:39] <Annie-VHL> WOW

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime--a day known to the LORD. When evening comes, there will be light. (Zechariah 14:7 NIV)

[21:39] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> yeah that one

[21:39] <Delta-VHL> Wow, a continual ecliipse?

[21:39] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> whoa that would be freaky

[21:40] <Delta-VHL> eclipse, I mean

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> More about signs in the moon:

[21:40] <Annie-VHL> My im button is stuck also

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> See, the day of the LORD is coming --a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger-- to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. (Isaiah 13:9 NIV)

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light. (Isaiah 13:10 NIV)

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless. (Isaiah 13:11 NIV)

[21:40] <Delta-VHL> Major eclipse of an eclipse!

[21:40] <Annie-VHL> A spooky day!!

[21:40] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> can you even imagine

[21:41] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> hey bob another when you are done

[21:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2THE sign of the Day of the Lord.

[21:41] <skip-VHL> 4what a scary thing

[21:41] <Annie-VHL> But HE says look up for your redenmption cometh

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> One more: :)

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[21:41] <Delta-VHL> Shalom!

[21:41] <peacemaker1-VHL> 5With all the catastrophic things that are going to happen you would like it would take us 1000 years to fix it all....

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[21:41] <skip-VHL> 4Shalom Delta

[21:42] <peacemaker1-VHL> 5You would think it would take.......

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree. (Isaiah 34:4 NIV)

[21:42] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless Delta

[21:42] <Annie-VHL> Good-night dear Delta

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> (which John referred to in Rev 6)

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[21:42] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> bob he says every eye will see him...this is silly but what if you are inside or asleep.......

[21:43] <skip-VHL> 4do you think that will be before or after rapture?

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> Liz, there won't be many buildings left standing by the time He gets here

[21:43] <Rich-VHL> 7lam I don't think anyone will be sleeping in those days

[21:43] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> lol

[21:43] <peacemaker1-VHL> 5I doubt that anyone is going to sleep through the Lords coming!

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> Skip, I'll dodge that question, thank you :)

[21:43] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> i agree

[21:43] <skip-VHL> 4:-)

[21:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I just don't see anyone mistaking the arrival this time....we'll all know it is His Coming.

[21:44] <Runningdeer-VHL> Shalom to you Skip

[21:44] <Rich-VHL> 7good idea Bob

[21:44] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> also wont some major announcem,ent orb trumpets or something happen

[21:44] <skip-VHL> 4i hope after

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[21:44] <Rich-VHL> 7true Bez

[21:44] <skip-VHL> 4HI RUNNINGDEER

[21:44] <Runningdeer-VHL> How are you

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. (1 Thessalonians 5:2 NIV)

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. (1 Thessalonians 5:3 NIV)

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. (1 Thessalonians 5:4 NIV)

[21:45] <skip-VHL> 4great

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> We will NOT be surprised

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen and Amen Bob

[21:45] <skip-VHL> 4UHHH oHH

[21:45] <Runningdeer-VHL> Did Delta leave?

[21:45] <Rich-VHL> 7what skip

[21:45] <Annie-VHL> Gotta go dear ones Keep studying and God Bless

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> interesting, isn't it? If Paul had believed in a pre-trib rapture, why would he say that the "day of the Lord" might surprise them? wouldn't he just say, "you won't be here anyway"?

[21:45] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Delta's just having some fun on the trampoline, Deer.

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[21:46] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Annie.

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> See ya Annie :)

[21:46] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless Annie

[21:46] <Dex-VHL> 3Runningdeer. the fact that no one answered your question sort of implies that we are older than we care to talk about.

[21:46] <skip-VHL> 4sounds like we might get to see SOME THINGS

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[21:46] <Dex-VHL> 3:-)

[21:46] <Runningdeer-VHL> I needed to talk with her and Bob after thestudy

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[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Hey, I'm young :)

[21:47] <skip-VHL> 4me too 45 is young

[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 7not as youg as you used to be Bob

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> It's the "bouncing Farrell act"

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> very true, Rich :)

[21:47] <Runningdeer-VHL> Thanks Skip

[21:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Me too, Bob. Compared to my Mother especially.

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> :)

[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 7me too by the way

[21:47] <Runningdeer-VHL> 45 here also

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[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 7I'm 52

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> I'm 42, which makes me the youngster here, I think :)

[21:48] <Runningdeer-VHL> How old is everyone here

[21:48] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I knew there was something "special" about you Rich.

[21:48] <skip-VHL> 4we wont tell Rich ;-)

[21:48] <Rich-VHL> 7thanks guys

[21:48] <Dex-VHL> 3I guess i'm the baby of the bunch. I'm 34

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Ahh Dex :)

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[21:48] <skip-VHL> 4its past your bed time DEX

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> now now Skip LOL

[21:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2There goes Farrell again.

[21:49] <Dex-VHL> 3LOL

[21:49] <Catalina-VHL> I am 32

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> I thought... that one goes to bed EARLIER the older one gets??

[21:49] <Rich-VHL> 7got bumped huh farrell i mean

[21:49] <Dex-VHL> 3Well I knew that wouldn't last.

[21:49] <Runningdeer-VHL> Shalom Catalina

[21:49] <skip-VHL> 4sooo true

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> or so I've heard anyway :)

[21:50] <Runningdeer-VHL> VCI?

[21:50] <Catalina-VHL> heheh sorry Dex, I guess I take the honors. hehehehe

[21:50] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Speaking of age, has anyone heard from Gran?

[21:50] <Catalina-VHL> Hi RD

[21:50] <Rich-VHL> 7don't need as much sleep now as then Bob don't work as hard

[21:50] <skip-VHL> 4I want to go to bed earlier than i let on

[21:50] <Dex-VHL> 3cradle robber

[21:50] <Runningdeer-VHL> hELLO cATALINA

[21:50] <Dex-VHL> 3litteraly

[21:50] <Runningdeer-VHL> oops

[21:51] <Runningdeer-VHL> What does that stand for?

[21:51] <skip-VHL> 4so any news BOB ?

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Yes, here's the news:

[21:51] <Catalina-VHL> hehehehhehehehehhe, sorry Charlie, oops I mean Dex

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> JERUSALEM (January 12) - High-level Israeli and Palestinian negotiators met at the Erez crossing in the Gaza Strip at midnight last night, in an 11th-hour attempt to come to some kind of agreement in the week that remains before US President Bill Clinton leaves office.

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> from the J Post

[21:52] <Rich-VHL> 7skip did you hesr that clinton might stay on as peace negotiator for Bush

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> The Israeli team was headed by Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami, Transportation Min-ister Amnon Lipkin-Shahak, and Prime Minister Ehud Barak's bureau chief, Gilead Sher. The Palestinians were represented by negotiator Saeb Erekat, Palestinian Legislative Council Speaker Ahmed Qurei, and Minister of Culture and Information Yasser Abed-Rabbo.

[21:52] <skip-VHL> 4NO

[21:52] <Catalina-VHL> Oh Brother!!!! We just cant get rid of him, he's like a bad headache that won't go away

[21:52] <Rich-VHL> 7arafat and Barak want him to

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[21:53] <Catalina-VHL> I mentioned on another website, A=Arafat B-Barak C=Clinton These are the ABC's of deception and trickery

[21:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2WB Farrell

[21:53] <skip-VHL> 4so now we have to follow what an idiot says?

[21:53] <Runningdeer-VHL> He just wants to give him a hard time for the next 4 years

[21:53] <skip-VHL> 4arafat

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> Personally, I think that any agreement reached now would be pointless, and meaningless, given the Feb 6 elections (assuming Sharon wins)

[21:53] <farrell-VHL219> 2Good night "youngsters" You all keep kicking me off so guess this old lady will go to bed :) Love you in Christ :) I'll read all about this tomorrow.

[21:53] <Rich-VHL> 7not for sure yet folks

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> Night Farrell - God bless! :)

[21:53] <Dex-VHL> 3Did you here the comment MK Avraham Burg was quoted as saying about clinton and his peace deal?

[21:53] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Farrell, God Bless!

[21:53] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless farrell

[21:53] <skip-VHL> 4SHALOM FARRELL

[21:54] <Dex-VHL> 3God Bless Farrell

[21:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> Bye Farrell

[21:54] <Nina-VHL> 46 here, just catching up. But I gotta go to work. Shalom.

[21:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> Shalom Farrell

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> See ya Nina! Shalom!

[21:54] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Nina, you be good now.

[21:54] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless Nina

[21:54] <skip-VHL> 4bye nina

[21:54] <Dex-VHL> 3God Bless Nina

[21:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> Bye to you Nina

[21:54] <Runningdeer-VHL> Shalom

[21:54] <skip-VHL> 4what did the MK say?

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[21:54] <VCI-Bob> JERUSALEM (January 12) - Likud chairman Ariel Sharon is leading incumbent Prime Minister Ehud Barak by 20 percentage points in the race for the premiership, but would lose if Shimon Peres took over as the Labor candidate, according to a poll conducted by the Smith Institute, for The Jerusalem Post

[21:55] <Rich-VHL> 7Bob do yoou think Bush might keep Clinton on

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Sharon leads Barak by a margin of 40% to 20%, with 24% still undecided and 16% either refusing to answer or saying they do not intend to vote. The poll was conducted on Wednesday with 501 respondents and a margin of error of 4.5%.

[21:55] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yeah fleas arre hard to get rid of.

[21:55] <Catalina-VHL> hehehhehehe too funny

[21:55] <Rich-VHL> 7true deer

[21:55] <Bezalel-VHL> 2So are running sores, Deer.

[21:55] <Dex-VHL> 3To paraphrase.... he stated that no matter what (U>S) administration was in office when peace was proclaimed in the middle east that it would be Clinton's peace.

[21:56] <Runningdeer-VHL> grss!!!

[21:56] <Rich-VHL> 7yeah I heard that too Dex

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> Clinton wants his "legacy" and knows he will at this point be viewed fairly harshly by history, and if he asks Bush, I would think that Bush would not decline, as a respect to the office

[21:56] <Runningdeer-VHL> lol

[21:57] <Rich-VHL> 7maybe maybe I hope not Bob

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> Clinton is not going to retire and go fishing every day, I know that

[21:57] <Dex-VHL> 3I agree Bob. It would give him major clout among the Dems.

[21:57] <Catalina-VHL> I suspect he may become involved with the UN - IMHO

[21:57] <Rich-VHL> 7he wants to known as the father of globalism too

[21:57] <Catalina-VHL> he has given globalism a good start

[21:57] <Rich-VHL> 7that he has Cat

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> More news from JPOST:

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> TEL AVIV (January 12) - Regional Cooperation Minister Shimon Peres returned from a trip to India yesterday and strongly denied reports that he will eventually replace Prime Minister Ehud Barak as One Israel's candidate for the premiership.

[21:58] <Rich-VHL> 7ok

[21:58] <Catalina-VHL> I think of Clinton as a BIG BOIL

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> But Peres' denials probably don't mean much

[21:58] <skip-VHL> 4A hemoroid

[21:58] <Runningdeer-VHL> lol

[21:58] <Rich-VHL> 7LOL skip

[21:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-), SKip

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> A former aide to Barak has said that Barak already decided to step aside for Peres, which Barak's office also denies

[21:58] <Rich-VHL> 7why not Bob

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 7oh

[21:59] <Catalina-VHL> a bleeding hemorrhoid. heheheheh

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> When did a politician's denial mean anything, Rich? :)

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> yuck :)

[21:59] <skip-VHL> 4lol

[21:59] <Catalina-VHL> where does all this info come from and then they deny it

[21:59] <Catalina-VHL> heheheheh

[21:59] <Catalina-VHL> could not resist

[21:59] <Catalina-VHL> I work at a hospital

[21:59] <Runningdeer-VHL> <<<<<<<<<<<started to comment on skips statement but will be nice and won't

[21:59] <skip-VHL> 4Im sorry Bob

[21:59] <Catalina-VHL> but I am in administration

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 7yeah thats true Bob

[21:59] <Catalina-VHL> ehehehhehe

[21:59] <Catalina-VHL> I dont get to see the fun stuff

[21:59] <Catalina-VHL> hehehehehe

[22:00] <skip-VHL> 4I work as a nurses aide I see IT ALL

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Natan Sharansky has an interesting op-ed about Jerusalem in today's J Post, if you wish to read it later

[22:00] <Catalina-VHL> Hey bob what do you make of Saddam, do you think he is still alive?

[22:00] <skip-VHL> 4and it aint pretty

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Yes, he's alive and well

[22:00] <Rich-VHL> 7somebody has to skip

[22:00] <Catalina-VHL> I know I have seen lots of fun pictures of that fun stuff. heheheh

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> Natan Sharansky is the leader of the party consisting largely of Russian immigrants

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 7my daughter is nurse too don't know how she handles it

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> he spent some years in a Soviet prison

[22:01] <Dex-VHL> 3Bob would you give a quick class on Israeli politics as far as who is considered left and right. I understand that it is "the opposite" as in the U.S.

[22:01] <Runningdeer-VHL> No I bet it isn't\

[22:01] <skip-VHL> 4G-D helps

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> Labor and Likud are the two major parties

[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 7yes He does skip

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> with a myriad of smaller parties

[22:02] <Catalina-VHL> Any word on the right wingers that tried to get to the Temple Mount today

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Labor is considered left wing, and Likud right wing

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> I read that news story also, Catalina

[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 7thats the way it is here too

[22:03] <Catalina-VHL> Liberals = Left Republicans = Right

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Labor is more willing to give up land, Likud less willing

[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 7yeah Cat

[22:03] <Catalina-VHL> that's how I remember which side I am on .hehehehehe

[22:03] <Catalina-VHL> you know which side your bread is buttered on. hehehe

[22:03] <Rich-VHL> 7works huh Cat

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Labor has been historical the party of power in Israel

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Likud forming later, with a smaller power base

[22:04] <Rich-VHL> 7kinda like the democrats here huh Bob

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> somewhat, Rich

[22:04] <Catalina-VHL> it really does work. hehehehhe

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> Though oddly, in the US the "right wing" party is viewed less favorably by Jews, of course

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 7yup it looks like it Cat

[22:05] <Catalina-VHL> LOL

[22:05] <Dex-VHL> 3there is proportional representation right?

[22:05] <Rich-VHL> 7why is that Bob

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> yes, it's a very convoluted system, but proportional, yes

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> Each small party with votes above a certain threshold gets proportional representation in the Knesset

[22:06] <Dex-VHL> 3Are the orthodox left or right?

[22:06] <VCI-Bob> They are considered right wing

[22:06] <skip-VHL> 4that sounds more even

[22:06] <Bezalel-VHL> 2So the MKs don't represent a "region"?

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 7I thought so

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> though some extreme ultra orthodox don't even recognize the State of Israel at all!

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> no, Bez

[22:07] <Dex-VHL> 3i read that

[22:07] <skip-VHL> 4why

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> They say that no Israeli state is legit until established by the Messiah

[22:07] <Rich-VHL> 7I heard that too

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> it's not a large group, I don't think

[22:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2They don't have long to wait, then, huh Bob?

[22:08] <Rich-VHL> 7yup thats what they say

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> proportionally

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> not too long at all, Bez :)

[22:08] <Rich-VHL> 7true Bez

[22:08] <Catalina-VHL> so are they meeting tonight?

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> And if I'm wrong on any of this, Stan can issue corrections on Monday :)

[22:08] <Dex-VHL> 3i think that very same group holds a very strong chair in the Kennesett

[22:09] <Dex-VHL> 3I don't know if i spelled that correctly.

[22:09] <skip-VHL> 4bob by not too long can you tell me what you migh guestimate the time frame ?

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> They already met -- it is 5 AM tomorrow morning there

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> No, Skip, I can't :)

[22:09] <Rich-VHL> 7all the signs are just about here skip

[22:10] <Catalina-VHL> so we dont know what came out of it

[22:10] <skip-VHL> 4less than 10 ?

[22:10] <skip-VHL> 4years

[22:10] <Catalina-VHL> you know what is amazing is that peace or no peace deal they are still going to be fighting

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> I don't know

[22:10] <Rich-VHL> 7I think so skip

[22:10] <Catalina-VHL> wow if the number 7 years comes up I will be looking up. LOL

[22:10] <Rich-VHL> 7oh yeah Cat

[22:11] <Catalina-VHL> I am ready, willing , and able. hehehehe

[22:11] <Rich-VHL> 7I agree with you Cat

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> Less than ten, less than twenty, hard to say - beyond that I would be very surprised, but don't take that as a forecast or a prediction :)

[22:11] <Dex-VHL> 3You know. If there was a date set in stone I honestly don't think many of todays Americans would believe it.

[22:11] <VCI-Bob> true, Dex

[22:12] <skip-VHL> 4I will start counting to seven or 3 1/2 when I hear the peace deal

[22:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Americans wouldn't believe it, even if Bill Clinton pronounced it.

[22:12] <Rich-VHL> 7Bob can you give us a litlle scripture for edification

[22:12] <Catalina-VHL> many dont see what is going on today, its amazing know one understands what is going on around them

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> if we said, "the world will be devastated by God in __ years" who would listen?

[22:12] <Catalina-VHL> to me it is clear as a bell

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[22:12] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Snow

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Rich?

[22:12] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Snow

[22:12] <Rich-VHL> 7hello Snow

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> On what, Rich?

[22:12] <skip-VHL> 4Hi snow

[22:13] <Dex-VHL> 3Hi Snow

[22:13] <snow-VHL> 5:-)Hi everyone, how are you all?

[22:13] <Rich-VHL> 7maybe some from the 1st book of John bob

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> ok Rich - hold on

[22:13] <Dex-VHL> 3:-)

[22:13] <skip-VHL> 4fine & you?

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> Think about this, friends:

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. (1 John 3:1 NIV)

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> "lavished" - I like that word :)

[22:14] <Rich-VHL> 7me too

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> And there's more! :)

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:2 NIV)

[22:14] <snow-VHL> 5It has been a long time since I joined in on the chat. I may not stay long though I have missed you all.

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> NOW we are

[22:14] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Sure that wasn't a headline from J. Post, Bob?

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Glad you are here, Snow!

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 7good to see ya Snow

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Think about it - NOW we are children of God - but what we will be like, the full manifestation of glory we will share with Him when we see Him!

[22:15] <snow-VHL> 5Thanks Bob, Rich ......

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure. (1 John 3:3 NIV)

[22:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Amen, and amen.

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 7Amen

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> We are encouraged repeatedly in the Scripture to NEVER LET GO of that hope

[22:16] <Rich-VHL> 7your welcome Snow

[22:16] <skip-VHL> 4thanks Bob AMEN

[22:16] <Catalina-VHL> Liz you still here?

[22:16] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> you all still here wow

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> it's the driving, motivating thought in our Christian walk - what we will be when we see Him

[22:16] <Rich-VHL> 7thanks too Bob it was good

[22:16] <Catalina-VHL> where did u go?

[22:16] <Iam6minuteslate-VHL> ]yeah i was gone for a bit

[22:16] <snow-VHL> 5Our only hope is JESUS CHRIST

[22:17] <skip-VHL> 4the BLESSES Assurance

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> I'm gonna take a very short break - carry on, please

[22:17] <Rich-VHL> 7ok

[22:17] <Runningdeer-VHL> Shalom Snow

[22:18] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Deer, is CC2 still up?

[22:18] <snow-VHL> 5Hi runningdeer, where you from??

[22:18] <skip-VHL> 4well I for one will be glad to change to be like HIM

[22:18] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes it is but Mame can't get in

[22:18] <Runningdeer-VHL> I'm from Texas

[22:18] <Rich-VHL> 7oh yes me to skip

[22:18] <Runningdeer-VHL> So she is talking on yahoo now

[22:19] <snow-VHL> 5Oklahoma here, hi neighbor

[22:19] <Runningdeer-VHL> She misses her cc2 room

[22:19] <skip-VHL> 4where in Tx DEER?

[22:19] <Runningdeer-VHL> Mame has been asking how you all were doing

[22:19] <Runningdeer-VHL> Houston

[22:19] <skip-VHL> 4DFW

[22:19] <Runningdeer-VHL> Ok

[22:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2What room on Yahoo?

[22:20] <Catalina-VHL> hey RD where in TEXAS, I live in Texas

[22:20] <Catalina-VHL> oh wait I see it. hehe

[22:20] <Catalina-VHL> I live in Caldwell near Bryan/College Station, but I work in Austin

[22:20] <Dex-VHL> 3The other night my 8 year old son came up to me and he was very sad. He said "Daddy if they have a war in Israel where will they pray at?" I told him "everywhere">

[22:20] <skip-VHL> 4good DEX

[22:20] <Runningdeer-VHL> Uh she has visted in Sword Of The Spirit chatroom

[22:20] <Rich-VHL> 7very goodDex

[22:21] <Runningdeer-VHL> I'm in Houston

[22:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'll send her an e-mail....

[22:21] <Runningdeer-VHL> Where do you live Catalina?

[22:21] <Catalina-VHL> You are not too far from me deer

[22:21] <Runningdeer-VHL> Ok

[22:21] <Catalina-VHL> I live in a little town called Caldwell

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> OK, I'm back

[22:21] <skip-VHL> 4hi

[22:21] <Rich-VHL> 7hey Bob

[22:22] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Do we have to start behaving again?

[22:22] <Runningdeer-VHL> I've heard of Caldwell

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> Yup :)

[22:22] <Rich-VHL> 7LOL Bez

[22:22] <Catalina-VHL> really, its a very small town

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> Here's more news:

[22:22] <Runningdeer-VHL> Ok

[22:22] <Rich-VHL> 7go

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> From Arutz Sheva

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> A miracle in Me'ah She'arim: An alert woman and her brave brother helped prevent a possible tragedy this morning. Moshe Bik of Me'ah She'arim, in an exclusive interview, told Arutz-7 what happened:

[22:22] <VCI-Bob> "My sister saw someone putting a large bag in the trash bin. She called me over and asked me to look at it. I thought maybe it was a stolen bag, that someone had taken out the money and thrown the bag away. I took it out, and saw that there was a bomb in it, attached to a cellular phone. I detached the wires, and then called the police."

[22:23] <Runningdeer-VHL> Mame kept asking me if I knew you and I told her no

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> And from JPost:

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> JERUSALEM (January 12) - A terror attack in Jerusalem's Mea She'arim neighborhood was thwarted yesterday morning by a resident, who successfully defused a bomb attached to a cellphone detonator just minutes before it was set to go off.

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> Just before 10 a.m., Rivka Bick noticed a suspiciously large bag being thrown into a garbage dumpster on the neighborhood's Rehov Shomrei Emunim. She alerted her brother, Moshe, who went over to the dumpster, opened the bag and found a bag containing a bomb attached to a cellphone.

[22:23] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Now you do, Deer.

[22:23] <Rich-VHL> 7wow talk about guts huh Bob

[22:23] <skip-VHL> 4wow Is that brave or what

[22:23] <Runningdeer-VHL> But she told me that you come in here every biblestudy

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> Bick, a 36-year-old father of five who attends a yeshiva in the neighborhood, safely defused the bomb by pulling out the wires that connected the cellphone to the bomb, which consisted of two mortar shells. The Bicks then called the police, who raced to the scene.

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> As police sappers were disarming the bomb, the cellphone started to ring - but the dismantled device could not explode. Police took the bomb away for further investigation.

[22:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2They should be able to trace the call....

[22:24] <Rich-VHL> 7did they answer the phone I wonder

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> Yup - and a good thing - apparently there were a lot of explosives, not an amateur bomb

[22:24] <skip-VHL> 4lol

[22:24] <Runningdeer-VHL> Well it's so nice to meet you Bez

[22:24] <Dex-VHL> 3Good night folks and God bless you all. I hope to get here earlier next time. Until then see you monday.

[22:24] <Rich-VHL> 7what a suprise huh

[22:24] <skip-VHL> 4Shalom Dex

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> said to be similar to the one in Tel Aviv that was attributed to the Palestinian Authority

[22:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You too, Deer. You need to keep coming.

[22:24] <Runningdeer-VHL> Bye Dex and shalom

[22:25] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless Dex

[22:25] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes

[22:25] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Dex.

[22:25] <VCI-Bob> Night, Dex! See ya Bro! :)

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[22:25] <Runningdeer-VHL> This is my 1st time in bible study

[22:25] <Bezalel-VHL> 2VHL has hosted chats at 8 PM EST on Mondays and Thursdays, and 8:30 PM EST on Tuesdays.

[22:25] <Rich-VHL> 7deer thats a good start

[22:26] <Runningdeer-VHL> Ok

[22:26] <Runningdeer-VHL> how many chatrooms are there on this website?

[22:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And, those chats are a true blessing from God.

[22:26] <skip-VHL> 4I migh have been running and yelling to warn others but I doubt i would touch that bomb

[22:26] <Rich-VHL> 7I know skip me too

[22:26] <Runningdeer-VHL> Me too

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> A good thing he did, because otherwise it would have been too late

[22:27] <Rich-VHL> 7a truely brave one

[22:27] <skip-VHL> 4G-d placed him there

[22:27] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Also, Deer, VHL has ChitChat and Prayer Room chats 24x7.

[22:27] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes he did!

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[22:27] <skip-VHL> 4PLT

[22:27] <Rich-VHL> 7yes skip and deer God at work

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> On a personal note... I have added some of my music compositions to my website, as .MP3 files - rather large, so if you have a slow modem it would take awhile to download

[22:28] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes I have been in the prayer room already

[22:28] <snow-VHL> 5That is what I was thinking , that God would guide me in what to do.

[22:28] <Runningdeer-VHL> Last weekend was my 1st time on this site and then I met a pastor from Africa

[22:28] <Rich-VHL> 7as He does everyday all day long Snow

[22:28] <skip-VHL> 4your a composer too!

[22:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2It wasn't Truth, by any chance, Deer?

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[22:29] <VCI-Bob> Yes, a hobbyist composer, anyway

[22:29] <Runningdeer-VHL> I am yes

[22:29] <skip-VHL> 4cool

[22:29] <Runningdeer-VHL> No Alexander

[22:29] <skip-VHL> 4i'llhave to check it out

[22:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2OK. Truth comes into the chats often.

[22:30] <Rich-VHL> 7gotta run off to bed folks may God Bless you each and everyone of you and your families

[22:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Rich.

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> My favorite piece is "Anthem to the Son" from Psalms 45, 110, and 2

[22:30] <skip-VHL> 4Shalom Rich

[22:30] <Runningdeer-VHL> Bye Rich

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> See ya Rich!!

[22:30] <Runningdeer-VHL> God bless you and yours also

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[22:31] <Runningdeer-VHL> skip, have you seen my profile?

[22:31] <skip-VHL> 4I guess we better let you go Bob

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> Snow - you are quiet - I assume you are from the snowy northlands?

[22:32] <skip-VHL> 4no

[22:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Since Bob won't toot his own horn, his web site is www.trumpetsounds.com

[22:32] <Runningdeer-VHL> go take a look atr it

[22:32] <skip-VHL> 4on here VHL?/

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> toot, horn, trumpet - nice, Bez :)

[22:32] <skip-VHL> 4i will

[22:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-)

[22:32] <Runningdeer-VHL> No

[22:33] <Runningdeer-VHL> I don't know how to do a profile on here

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> I think Snow is buried in a drift - no response :)

[22:33] <snow-VHL> 5I think I will say goodnight for now, I am going to read some more in the last Left Behind series, The Mark, It is very good . I will try to catch you all another time. God bless you. Goodnight.:-)

[22:33] <skip-VHL> 4Shalom SNOW

[22:33] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I won't tell you the ending, Snow....

[22:33] <VCI-Bob> Oh, there he/she is! Good night, Snow! :)

[22:33] <Runningdeer-VHL> Bye Snow

[22:33] <Runningdeer-VHL> God bless

[22:33] <skip-VHL> 4where is your profile RD?

[22:34] <Runningdeer-VHL> on aol

[22:34] <snow-VHL> 5No Bob, I am from Oklahoma, The name,,,,,,,,,,Jesus washes you and anyone who receives him.......white as snow.:-)

[22:34] <Runningdeer-VHL> How would Imake a profile for here?

[22:34] <Bezalel-VHL> 2:-), Snow

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> Amen! :)

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> And we all need that, for sure!

[22:35] <snow-VHL> 5Female:-)Have a wonderful week.

[22:35] <Runningdeer-VHL> God gave me my nick from the Psalms

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> A very thirsty deer :)

[22:36] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes

[22:37] <Runningdeer-VHL> And I was in a Christian chatroom last night and my nick made somebody very angry and I was trown out

[22:37] <skip-VHL> 4ok

[22:37] <Runningdeer-VHL> thrown

[22:37] <VCI-Bob> that's strange

[22:37] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes it is

[22:37] <skip-VHL> 4really

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[22:37] <Runningdeer-VHL> Yes!

[22:38] <Runningdeer-VHL> Just over a nick!

[22:38] <Runningdeer-VHL> Can you believe that? Well I gtuess I can

[22:39] <skip-VHL> 4well adios friends G-D bless you all

[22:39] <Runningdeer-VHL> Bye skip

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> Night Skip - God bless you also

[22:39] <Runningdeer-VHL> Nice chatting with you

[22:39] <Runningdeer-VHL> ';o)

[22:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm going to say good night also. Tell Marion hello for me Runningdeer.

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> I'll think I'll run now also -

[22:39] <skip-VHL> 4always a pleasure to chat here

[22:39] <VCI-Bob> Night, everyone