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[20:00] <red-VHL> helllooo bob

[20:00] <Dex-VHL> 7hi bob

[20:00] <Barbara-VHL> 2Evening, Chatters...:-)

[20:00] <Justin-VHL> hello Bob

[20:01] <therssious-VHL> hello

[20:01] <Barbara-VHL> 2King Bob..

[20:01] <kathy12> Hi everybody

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[20:01] <red-VHL> hi barbara

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Hello Red, Dex, Barbara, Justin, Kathy, and Ther!

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> Hi Liz!

[20:01] <liz-VHL> hi bob

[20:01] <VCI-Bob> How's everyone tonight?

[20:01] <Barbara-VHL> 2How are you this evening?

[20:01] <red-VHL> hi barbara

[20:01] <Barbara-VHL> 2:-)

[20:01] <Justin-VHL> excellent

[20:01] <Barbara-VHL> 2great!

[20:01] <liz-VHL> wow i look forward to monday and thursday i dont forget anymore

[20:01] <therssious-VHL> i'm doing good

[20:02] <liz-VHL> im great hi red

[20:02] <kathy12> Really enjoyed the article on David and Goliath Biob it was really good

[20:02] <liz-VHL> hi barb

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Liz - a really nice bunch of people congregate here, huh :)

[20:02] <Barbara-VHL> 2Hi Liz

[20:02] <Dex-VHL> 7i didn't show monday. i didn't think it would be on the 1st

[20:02] <VCI-Bob> Thanks, Kathy

[20:02] <red-VHL> hi liz buzz me tomorrow i'll be home

[20:02] <liz-VHL> :) :) :)

[20:02] <liz-VHL> okay sis will do

[20:02] <liz-VHL> ho the boys red any better

[20:03] <liz-VHL> how

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Dex, and Stan may even stop in for a brief moment tonight

[20:03] <liz-VHL> oh thats great

[20:03] <red-VHL> both sleeping liz:-)

[20:03] <VCI-Bob> Of course, it's 3 AM there

[20:03] <liz-VHL> oh good

[20:03] <kathy12> Who is Dex

[20:04] <kathy12> BRB

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> I'm glad to announce that I'm going back to Israel in March, for 2 weeks!

[20:04] <red-VHL> you can buzz me however either phone or online whichever works

[20:04] <Barbara-VHL> 2Oh Bob!!

[20:04] <liz-VHL> oh thats not fair

[20:04] <red-VHL> thats great bob

[20:04] <Barbara-VHL> 2That's when I was praying to return...same as last year!

[20:04] <Barbara-VHL> 2That's wonderful!D

[20:04] <liz-VHL> ok sis probably puter my time is out till 21 on phone hubby put me on a limit lol

[20:04] <VCI-Bob> Yes, I'm happy about it :)

[20:05] <Barbara-VHL> 2Bo going with you?

[20:05] <Justin-VHL> I've heaard a new interpretation of 666 and was wondering if you guys could give me your opinion of it

[20:05] <Dex-VHL> 7good. bob i still havn't received an address from you with regards to getting stan some help. i don't know if my mail is not working or not so let me give you an alternate e mail address and if you would send the address there. It's daadaa97@yahoo.com. thanks

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> Not this time - she doesn't have enough vacation

[20:05] <Dex-VHL> 7me

[20:05] <Dex-VHL> 7i'm dex

[20:05] <liz-VHL> how much does i it cost Bob from florida

[20:05] <VCI-Bob> ok Dex - yes, I didn't get anymail from you, but I'll send you the info

[20:05] <Barbara-VHL> 2too bad....but you will have such a wonderful time. No tour this time?

[20:06] <therssious-VHL> hello everyone this is my firt time here so i would like to take the time to introduce myself

[20:06] <Dex-VHL> 7thanks

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> My plans are uncertain

[20:06] <liz-VHL> hi therssious

[20:06] <red-VHL> go for it ther

[20:06] <Barbara-VHL> 2Hi ther...what on earth does that mean?

[20:06] <Dex-VHL> 7welcome ther

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Ther, so nice to have you join us!

[20:06] <therssious-VHL> therssious means warrior for god

[20:06] <red-VHL> cool

[20:06] <Justin-VHL> 4I read that numbers in revelations have meaning and 6 means imperfection, something not normal and monstrous1

[20:06] <VCI-Bob> Liz, I'm flying from Newark

[20:06] <Barbara-VHL> 2how neat

[20:07] <therssious-VHL> i'm 22 and i'm from ohio

[20:07] <Justin-VHL> 4Then I reaad 3 denotes emphasis

[20:07] <Dex-VHL> 7 6 is the number for man

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[20:07] <liz-VHL> what is it like 2000.00

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> The ticket was $770, but I had received a $500 credit a few months ago

[20:07] <Dex-VHL> 7it stands for imperfection

[20:07] <liz-VHL> im in ohio

[20:07] <VCI-Bob> so it was only $270!!!

[20:07] <Justin-VHL> 4so 666 would mean extreme imperfection

[20:07] <Barbara-VHL> 2WOW!!

[20:07] <Dex-VHL> 7as opposed to 7

[20:07] <liz-VHL> cincinnati

[20:07] <liz-VHL> oh wow bob

[20:07] <therssious-VHL> from chillicothe

[20:07] <Barbara-VHL> 2Good for you, Bob

[20:08] <liz-VHL> so you stay with stan right

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Yes, God is good to us bumblers, huh

[20:08] <VCI-Bob> Yes, when I'm in Jerusalem

[20:08] <Dex-VHL> 7yes there are some examples such as the measurements of Golaith's armor

[20:08] <liz-VHL> oh great bob

[20:08] <Barbara-VHL> 2where else will you be going, Bob?

[20:08] <red-VHL> were are you from Therssious?

[20:08] <Justin-VHL> 4You know how it says people will have the mark on there right hand or foreheaad

[20:09] <liz-VHL> my hubby just got home i be back in about 15 minutes you all

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> As a father has compassion on his children, so the LORD has compassion on those who fear him; (Psalms 103:13 NIV)

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> for he knows how we are formed, he remembers that we are dust. (Psalms 103:14 NIV)

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Everywhere I can, Barbara

[20:09] <red-VHL> bye liz ill hold you to it

[20:09] <Barbara-VHL> 2:-)

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> See ya Liz!

[20:09] <liz-VHL> i will i already forewarned him about chat lol

[20:09] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Justin?

[20:09] <red-VHL> lol

[20:09] <Barbara-VHL> 2Don't miis the Sea of Galilee if you can

[20:09] <kathy12> Bob Justin is a newcomer to the chat

[20:09] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom brothers and sisters :) What is topic tonight Bob?

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> I hope to get up there this time, Barbara

[20:10] <red-VHL> hi farrell

[20:10] <Barbara-VHL> 2hi farrell

[20:10] <kathy12> you might want to bring him up to date on some of the big issues

[20:10] <VCI-Bob> Nothing specific in mind, Farrell - we'll see where God leads us

[20:10] <Justin-VHL> 4When God gave Israel the law, he told them" You must apply these words of mine to your heaart

[20:10] <Justin-VHL> 4...

[20:10] <farrell-VHL> 2Have you all prayed yet? Perhaps He can direct us :)

[20:11] <Dex-VHL> 7Since Justin is new why not let him suggest a topic?

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Right, Justin, just as each of us needs to apply His words to our hearts each day

[20:11] <therssious-VHL> i was hoping to go vistit egypt this spring and maybe go to bethleham if possible but by the way it lookms i may not get a chance

[20:11] <Justin-VHL> 4and your soul and bind them as a sign upon your hand

[20:11] <Barbara-VHL> 2I hjope that you can,ther

[20:11] <Justin-VHL> 4oh well thankyou

[20:11] <kathy12> that was a verse I learned as a child in Bible School still remember it

[20:11] <Justin-VHL> 4what does 666 mean

[20:11] <VCI-Bob> Good idea, Farrell - let's pray

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> and then well get back to the ??? in just a few

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> Lord, our God, we love you

[20:12] <farrell-VHL> 2Father, we do thank you for this format to fellowship together. We ask for your guidance to bring glory to your Holy Name.

[20:12] <VCI-Bob> We thank you for your great compassion on each of us

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[20:12] <kathy12> Father we glorigy You this night

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> We worship you, our Father, because of your awesome greatness

[20:13] <Barbara-VHL> 2Dear L'rd, we come before you tonight with your Hope in our hearts, and Your love surrounding each of us

[20:13] <kathy12> We honor your presense with us and bow before you

[20:13] <farrell-VHL> 2We praise You O Lord as our Creator, our Savior.

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> And we ask you to help poor Stan wake up and be alert :)

[20:13] <farrell-VHL> 2:)

[20:13] <VCI-Bob> You are so good to us, God!

[20:13] <Barbara-VHL> 2We love you, L'rd, and we thank you for the love You give to us for each other

[20:14] <Dex-VHL> 7Dear Lord please lead us to understand your word as it was meant by you

[20:14] <VCI-Bob> Thank you for sending your Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins

[20:14] <Justin-VHL> 4We ask that you guide us in the right direction and put wisdom in our heaart

[20:14] <therssious-VHL> thy father i come unto you tonight to ask you to bring peace to the troubled at spirit may you anoint them in your glory and may them feel you everlasting love for eternity amen

[20:14] <farrell-VHL> 2Father, You will take what is in our hearts and use it for Your perfect purpose. We thank you for this

[20:14] <Dex-VHL> 7Let us use your word to bring others to you

[20:14] <Barbara-VHL> 2We pray Your continual protection on Stan and his family in Jerusalem

[20:14] <kathy12> give to us ears of understanding

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Your Spirit is with us, and gives us peace in the middle of our everyday turmoil - we thank you

[20:15] <Barbara-VHL> 2we pray for your Son to be glorified in all that we do and say here this evening

[20:15] <farrell-VHL> 2We love you Lord Jesus

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Thank you, Lord for meeting with us here.

[20:15] <Justin-VHL> 4help us have compassion for those who mock what they have never known

[20:15] <Dex-VHL> 7we praise you Dear Father

[20:15] <VCI-Bob> Amen!

[20:15] <Barbara-VHL> 2Thank you, L'rd, Praise YOu L'rd. Amen

[20:15] <farrell-VHL> 2Praise You Lord - Amen

[20:15] <Justin-VHL> 4Amen

[20:15] <kathy12> Father help us to know and undersatand Your will for this time and help us to do our part as you call each one of us for your service

[20:16] <Dex-VHL> 7Amen

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> Hi there Stan! So good to see you here tonight!

[20:16] <kathy12> Amen

[20:16] <red-VHL> Lord make our hearts open to your will and a servant to all so that all may know you

[20:16] <kathy12> Hi Stan

[20:16] <Barbara-VHL> 2Shalom, Stan

[20:16] <Barbara-VHL> 2:-)

[20:16] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom Stan :)

[20:16] <red-VHL> good to see you stan

[20:16] <VCI-Bob> This is a rare treat! :)

[20:16] <stan-VHL> thanks bob, hi all

[20:16] <Dex-VHL> 7Hi Stan

[20:16] <therssious-VHL> hello stan

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[20:16] <kathy12> Hoe is your family Stan

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> We know you're still rubbing your eyes

[20:17] <stan-VHL> i'm overwhelmed,

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Jael!

[20:17] <Barbara-VHL> 2Shalom, jael

[20:17] <red-VHL> ehy jael glad you joined us

[20:17] <Dex-VHL> 7Hi Jael

[20:17] <VCI-Bob> Justin, you asked what 666 means?

[20:17] <Justin-VHL> 4Yes

[20:17] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom jael - still love your name :)

[20:17] <Barbara-VHL> 2What's cookin' in Jerusalem, Stan?

[20:17] <stan-VHL> actually i'm sorry to say this will be a short "treat"

[20:17] <Justin-VHL> 4I've heard different things on it

[20:18] <stan-VHL> i've a screaming baby on my lap

[20:18] <VCI-Bob> Ths only thing the Bible says is "it is man's number"

[20:18] <Barbara-VHL> 2I'll take him!!!!

[20:18] <stan-VHL> he's caught a virus which has had franny down all week

[20:18] <farrell-VHL> 2He's not bothering us a bit Stan - wish I could hold him for you :)

[20:18] <Barbara-VHL> 2oh dear, I'm sorry.

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[20:18] <Barbara-VHL> 2I asked first, farrell!!!!

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> Which is significant Justin, because that man, commonly called the antichrist, is the epitome and culimination of man's rebellions against God

[20:19] <farrell-VHL> 2Well !! next then :)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> He will lead the final revolt of mankind against the rule of the Lord

[20:19] <red-VHL> the flu is going around my house

[20:19] <Barbara-VHL> 2ok..:-)

[20:19] <stan-VHL> we've been awake most the night and i have to find a way to quiten him down

[20:19] <Justin-VHL> 4I read somewhere where it says God was giving the law and told his righteuos people to where there faith on there right hand and forehead

[20:19] <stan-VHL> so this typing uis with one finger - hence the pace

[20:19] <Barbara-VHL> 2is he coughing, Stan?

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, (Revelation 13:16 NIV)

[20:19] <VCI-Bob> so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. (Revelation 13:17 NIV)

[20:19] <kathy12> sing to him Stan

[20:20] <Justin-VHL> 4in contrast I read 666 means imperfect man

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[20:20] <VCI-Bob> Justin, it will be a symbol of worship and adoration

[20:20] <stan-VHL> just crying...

[20:20] <jael-VHL> HEY ALL!!

[20:20] <Justin-VHL> 4but I've also read the micro chip thing

[20:20] <Barbara-VHL> 2poor baby

[20:20] <VCI-Bob> She's back!

[20:20] <therssious-VHL> 10i have a question regarding what would happen to men who take the mark of the beat

[20:20] <stan-VHL> i'll listen for a bit, don't want to interrupt...

[20:21] <jael-VHL> i got frozen

[20:21] <kathy12> make him snugg Stan they like to be real snugg

[20:21] <Barbara-VHL> 2yes, ther?

[20:21] <therssious-VHL> 10would they still be considered a man at all?

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, (Revelation 14:9 NIV)

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. (Revelation 14:10 NIV)

[20:21] <therssious-VHL> 10seeing how they turn thier backs on god

[20:21] <liz-VHL> im back

[20:21] <liz-VHL> hi stan

[20:21] <jael-VHL> 3hey guys, i can't stay long...got tons of laundry to fold, and need rest

[20:21] <VCI-Bob> Yes, they will still be men, I believe - just men who are have joined the rebellion

[20:21] <stan-VHL> hi liz :)

[20:22] <Justin-VHL> 4Will christians be taken away in the rapture before the mark of the beast

[20:22] <jael-VHL> 3we are packing to move !!!

[20:22] <Barbara-VHL> 2Stan has a sick baby on his lap, liz :-(

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> We're glad you bopped in for awhile anyway

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Justin, there are difference of opinion on the timing of that

[20:22] <jael-VHL> 3thanx:->

[20:22] <VCI-Bob> Some say yes, some no

[20:22] <Justin-VHL> 4oh ok

[20:22] <Justin-VHL> 4What do you think

[20:22] <Barbara-VHL> 2throw some this way, and I'll help fold, jael

[20:23] <jael-VHL> 3bob...you remember last week when i asked for prayer for us needing direction...a possible move?

[20:23] <therssious-VHL> 10would it be a sin to kill a man who try to force the mark of the beast unto you ?

[20:23] <Barbara-VHL> 2oh yuk!! Moving is awful!

[20:23] <liz-VHL> awwwwww stan whats his or her name

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> My opinion is that the rapture and second coming are one event, and that there is no pre-trib rapture

[20:23] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Jael?

[20:23] <jael-VHL> 3thanx barb...you're a doll!!

[20:23] <liz-VHL> i will pray for family

[20:23] <Barbara-VHL> 2wow, ther!! That IS a question...

[20:23] <Barbara-VHL> 2but I guess the answer would be no!

[20:23] <jael-VHL> 3well.....

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Ther, people will take the mark willingly, not under coercion - because it will be a sign of loyalty to the "beast"

[20:24] <Barbara-VHL> 2any time, jael...:-)

[20:24] <kathy12> I think it would be self defense

[20:24] <stan-VHL> his name is jan (yan) - thanks for prayers

[20:24] <jael-VHL> 3we found out tues , that an agency here will pay for our entire move!!!

[20:24] <therssious-VHL> 10i know those who won't take the mark will be beheaded

[20:24] <liz-VHL> oh okay stan i will be praying

[20:24] <Justin-VHL> 4Has Jerusalem calmed down any lately?

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Wow! Terrific! Praise the Lord!

[20:24] <liz-VHL> i have a 5 month old so i know when they get sick its pitiful

[20:24] <Dex-VHL> 7that's great jael

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> Not really, Justin - things are still hot there

[20:24] <VCI-Bob> which we will discuss tonight

[20:25] <Barbara-VHL> 2so....quick trip HOME!!

[20:25] <kathy12> Stan how is it over there tonight

[20:25] <jael-VHL> 3we are shocked...it looks like the Lord really wants us in winter haven...He has a plan for us there

[20:25] <therssious-VHL> 10see my outlook on life is like so....

[20:25] <VCI-Bob> Wonderful, Jael!

[20:25] <stan-VHL> happy for your news jael

[20:25] <Justin-VHL> 4If you decline the mark of the beast what will happen to you

[20:25] <Barbara-VHL> 2Hey, jael...I'm in North POrt ...just soluth of Sarasota

[20:26] <farrell-VHL> 2We can always trust the Lord's plans can't we Jael?

[20:26] <therssious-VHL> 10i care not what happes to me while here while i do the work the lord has for me be it death or pain for the lord gets me thru it

[20:26] <jael-VHL> 3so...in essence, we still need prayer, especially me & my extrememly pregnant body & wisdom not to over do it

[20:26] <stan-VHL> Jerusalem...Israel appears to be holding its collective breath,

[20:26] <Barbara-VHL> 2will keep you in mind, jael

[20:26] <VCI-Bob> The Bible says that those people won't be able to buy and sell - it's the beasts form of total economic control - but beyond that, ultimately, all who will not pledge allegience to the beast will be killed

[20:26] <jael-VHL> 3:->

[20:26] <therssious-VHL> 10for i know when my work is done i will go home to my father and b in an eternal peace

[20:26] <farrell-VHL> 2Will do that jael - you do take care :)

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> though most of the world will be overjoyed to follow and worship him

[20:27] <Justin-VHL> 4When the lord says he will create a new heaven and a new eaarth what will be the purpose of the new earth

[20:27] <jael-VHL> 3thank you...i will

[20:27] <liz-VHL> i read an email from dleta about mass demonstartions to take place and i was in tears

[20:27] <Dex-VHL> 7Stan. As far as war, What is the general concencus of folks overthers?

[20:27] <liz-VHL> delta

[20:27] <kathy12> it wont have weeds Justin

[20:27] <VCI-Bob> No more curse, Justin - a world of peace and righteousness

[20:27] <Dex-VHL> 7overthere?

[20:27] <stan-VHL> we are watching clinton and barak play their foolish game of "lets fool ourselves and everyone else"

[20:27] <liz-VHL> lol stan but not really

[20:27] <therssious-VHL> 10the new earth will be the garden of eden before the sin took place

[20:28] <Barbara-VHL> 2not EVERYONE, Stan

[20:28] <jael-VHL> 3i really wish i could stay on with you..my friends...but duty calls & i need to get it done before i fall asleep

[20:28] <liz-VHL> hey so reports yesterday saddam died

[20:28] <liz-VHL> but dismissed today

[20:28] <Justin-VHL> 4So we won't be in heaavven?

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> See ya Jael! Thanks for the good report!

[20:28] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless you and your family Jael

[20:28] <stan-VHL> dex - i don't think anyone here except for the pitifully deluded now are anticipating anything but war

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[20:28] <Barbara-VHL> 2good nite, jael. be sure to not overdue!!! (Mother talking here)

[20:28] <red-VHL> bye jael God's blessings to you and your family

[20:28] <therssious-VHL> 10read the bible in the garden of eden god walk with adam and eve

[20:28] <VCI-Bob> Justin, indications are that when Jesus rules the Kingdom from Zion for 1000 years here on earth, we will be here with Him

[20:28] <jael-VHL> 3stan....you & all mishpachah in The Land have been on my heart & in my prayers

[20:28] <farrell-VHL> 2Good night jael - take it slow and careful

[20:28] <therssious-VHL> 10before they sinned

[20:28] <Dex-VHL> 7Yes but how soon?

[20:29] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Stan? Most people think it's inevitable now?

[20:29] <Justin-VHL> 4So we will live in a paradise earth

[20:30] <stan-VHL> thank you jael - and to all of you, also those who have so lovingly supported us with gifts over the past few weeks

[20:30] <therssious-VHL> 10yes justin

[20:30] <liz-VHL> i got banned from a muslim chat last night hahahahahhaha

[20:30] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Justin - as described vividly by Isaiah

[20:30] <kathy12> Justin have you been studying with the Jehovah's Witnesses

[20:30] <Justin-VHL> 4The 144,000 will be in heaaven though right?

[20:30] <red-VHL> that is funny liz

[20:30] <jael-VHL> 3Yeshua bless you all with His presence, grace & peace....love you all....bye for now

[20:30] <farrell-VHL> 2Do you all think it is close to the time when Israel will finally turn to their God rather than try to defend themselves in their own strength?

[20:30] <Barbara-VHL> 2you get a medal, liz :-)

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[20:30] <stan-VHL> yes bob - there's a rather terrible sense of inevitability in the air nationwide

[20:31] <Justin-VHL> 4I was raised a Jehovahs witness but now I don't know just really into the bible

[20:31] <liz-VHL> they toldd me Israel would be Destroyed hahahahahhaahahahahah i never laughed so hard in my life lol

[20:31] <justwatchin-VHL> SO good evening to all- What do you folks makeof this latest peace deal, and what is it going to prepair us for, what is the next event, after this deal?

[20:31] <stan-VHL> especially since barak himself began using the W word earlier this week

[20:31] <kathy12> ok Justin I hope we can be of real help to your understanding

[20:31] <Barbara-VHL> 2that's a lotta lauchin' liz...:-) :-)

[20:31] <Barbara-VHL> 2laughin

[20:31] <liz-VHL> :) :) :) :) :) :)

[20:32] <stan-VHL> lololololololol crackin up :)

[20:32] <red-VHL> did you get to talk to that one guy again liz

[20:32] <Dex-VHL> 7Good for you Justin. That is the best place to be.

[20:32] <liz-VHL> which one red

[20:32] <VCI-Bob> Justin, you just pinpointed the key to understanding - reading the Bible - not any particular religion's point of view

[20:32] <kathy12> That is really great Justin that is the place to be but are you using the King James

[20:32] <Barbara-VHL> 2don't drop Jannie, Stan!!

[20:32] <liz-VHL> i have an ongoing chatship with a muslim in egypt

[20:32] <stan-VHL> :) barb

[20:32] <red-VHL> the one you were downloading the song for

[20:32] <liz-VHL> yeah

[20:33] <Justin-VHL> 4yes I'm using the kingjames

[20:33] <liz-VHL> i was supposed to study up on 73 war in exchange

[20:33] <kathy12> great justin

[20:33] <red-VHL> well did you liz

[20:33] <liz-VHL> a little too much going on

[20:33] <Barbara-VHL> 2ya, did you?

[20:33] <farrell-VHL> 2God bless you Justin. Ask the Lord to guide you in the Scriptures and He will make you understand

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> Justwatchin, many of us in here feel that a war is imminent, and a war that will be a fulfillment of some Bible prophecies

[20:34] <Justin-VHL> 4I was raised with a lot of conflicts of religion and have a hard time now commiting myself to a belieff

[20:34] <stan-VHL> farrell - just saw your question.....i think we are definitely getting closer to that time

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[20:34] <liz-VHL> hwow justin i will be praying for you

[20:34] <VCI-Bob> You don't have to commit to a belief - just commit to Jesus as Lord and God

[20:34] <therssious-VHL> 10if i may ask how many of you really deep down believe the revelation is close at hand considering the current world affairs?

[20:34] <farrell-VHL> 2That is good to know Stan. That will be a day of rejoicing :):)

[20:34] <Barbara-VHL> 2just commit yourself to Jesus, Justin

[20:34] <stan-VHL> israeli who embraced the "peace" process are these days wrestling with a strong disillusionment

[20:35] <kathy12> Justin just stay in the Bible and in Christ that is all you need

[20:35] <Dex-VHL> 7That is some of the best advice I've heard in a long time Bob.

[20:35] <Justin-VHL> 4That's another one of my conflicts bob I was raised to believe he was the son of God and not God himself

[20:35] <liz-VHL> yeah stna when i read about those demonstrations that are being planned i was in aawe

[20:35] <Justin-VHL> 4despite John 1:1

[20:35] <Annie-VHL> Hi Everbody!

[20:35] <farrell-VHL> 2Amen Bob - commit to Jesus as Lord

[20:35] <liz-VHL> hi annie

[20:35] <red-VHL> hi annie

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Justin, but if you read the Bible with an open heart, the evidence of His Deity is indisputable

[20:36] <farrell-VHL> 2Shalom Annie :)

[20:36] <Barbara-VHL> 2What about John 1:1, Justin?

[20:36] <Barbara-VHL> 2Hi annie

[20:36] <Annie-VHL> Hi liz and red and all

[20:36] <Dex-VHL> 7Hi Annie

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[20:36] <stan-VHL> uh huh - and there's this rather pitiful sense being expressed by some, that the world will now know that Israel tried its best and that it was the arabs that did not want peace in the end

[20:36] <VCI-Bob> The bed is too short to stretch out on, the blanket too narrow to wrap around you. (Isaiah 28:20 NIV)

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> That verse could be describing the peace process

[20:37] <justwatchin-VHL> Ok, no one seems to be able to handle my questions or want to have a verbale exhcnage with me. Why is it that when I came on and said hi to everyone, now one responded to me, yet Annie comes in, and everyone says HI Annie? what is this???

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> Justwatchin, I did respond to your question

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[20:37] <Barbara-VHL> 2it's hard to keep up with folks coming and going on here

[20:37] <VCI-Bob> But I'm sorry you feel neglected - we don't want that :)

[20:38] <VCI-Bob> So - you have my full attention - fire away :)

[20:38] <farrell-VHL> 2your question (oops)

[20:38] <Barbara-VHL> 2sometimes they leave the room and we don't even know it for a while

[20:38] <Barbara-VHL> 2we're all looking at you, just..

[20:38] <justwatchin-VHL> Well I do, and I am , so scroll up and read my questions 2 total

[20:38] <Annie-VHL> wHAT'S THE QUESTION HERE?

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[20:39] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Bez and Called_out

[20:39] <Bezalel-VHL> Good evening all! Sorry I'm late...

[20:39] <farrell-VHL> 2Hi Bez - Called

[20:39] <Dex-VHL> 7Hi Bez

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Justwatchin, it's our opinion that this peace treaty is an affront to God, because of what Barak is willing to give away

[20:40] <justwatchin-VHL> Bez don't worry, no one even missed you, much like myself, no one really is aware that I'm here either or late

[20:40] <Annie-VHL> hI bEZ AND Dex

[20:40] <VCI-Bob> Justwatchin, did you come in the grouchy door tonight? hee hee :)

[20:40] <Dex-VHL> 7I guess that's anyones guess j.w. but war seems to be on everyones mind

[20:40] <Barbara-VHL> 2Shalom, folks

[20:40] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Well, Just, you're going to have to repeat your question(s), cause I wasn't here...:-)

[20:41] <called_out-VHL> Good evening all, had a terrible time getting here. sorry I am late :)

[20:41] <justwatchin-VHL> Bez, that is understandable

[20:41] <farrell-VHL> 2Justin, you must read the Scriptures asking the Holy Spirit to help you. Jesus is definitely God :)

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> Sometimes the pace is too fast to keep up with all the questions, so be patient :)

[20:41] <justwatchin-VHL> , that is however what the scroll buttone is for, scroll up and read, it won't take long

[20:41] <Barbara-VHL> 2just, we always have several conversations going on here at one time. We don't see all tht is printed

[20:41] <Annie-VHL> I scrolled up and couldn't find your question Jus

[20:41] <VCI-Bob> I responded to your questions, twice, so please don't be a disruption :)

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> OK - moving on..... :)

[20:42] <Dex-VHL> 7J.W. I already answered your question.

[20:42] <VCI-Bob> We all get along really good here, right folks! :)

[20:42] <farrell-VHL> 2right :)

[20:42] <Barbara-VHL> 2AMEN, Bob!!!

[20:43] <called_out-VHL> right :)

[20:43] <Dex-VHL> 7AMEN

[20:43] <stan-VHL> yeah - this is the most friendly chat on the web :)

[20:43] <liz-VHL> Yes Bob Great group

[20:43] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yeah, I guess, (Grumble, grumble, grumble)

[20:43] <Annie-VHL> Love is the answer for us all as we get enough of the other out htere

[20:43] <farrell-VHL> 2Bez!!

[20:43] <liz-VHL> lol

[20:43] <Dex-VHL> 7LOL Bez

[20:43] <stan-VHL> er bez, you hungry? :)

[20:43] <Barbara-VHL> 2ok, Bez, smile pretty

[20:44] <therssious-VHL> 10:-)

[20:44] <justwatchin-VHL> Bob, I at first was being neglected and by passed, now I'm being disruptive, next I'll be going to Hell, Humm, Christians or just living in your own circle and could careless about a new person who has honest questions, where did you answear the questions, and why has it takin so long for you to tell me you did, and whats with the disrupion comment?

[20:44] <Dex-VHL> 7J.W. What are your thoughts on the matter?

[20:44] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'll let you know, I had to interrupt my old man's nap to come here. :-)

[20:44] <Dex-VHL> 7Never mind.

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> Justwatchin, we all feel that events in Israel bear watching, because it's the focal point of God's plan for mankind - as described in the Scriptures

[20:45] <Dex-VHL> 7Well I've never seen this here before.

[20:45] <VCI-Bob> We'll just proceed normally

[20:45] <liz-VHL> okay bob

[20:45] <Annie-VHL> o.ik. repeat your question JW and we'll try to all anser it

[20:45] <Barbara-VHL> 2right on, chief

[20:46] <therssious-VHL> 10i'm a christian should i not believe that god is god and jesus is the son of god by wich is the only way i'll ever come onto the father god?

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> These are very exciting times to live in - we have the sense that we are seeing the curtain being pulled on the final act

[20:46] <therssious-VHL> 10for i have heard jesus is god but when i read the bible (kingjames version) from what i understand jesus is the son

[20:46] <called_out-VHL> Tell us more please Bob.

[20:46] <Barbara-VHL> 2You definately SHOULD believe that !

[20:46] <justwatchin-VHL> Bob, umm- I don't see where you replied to anything, I'm not Justin, your replies are to him not me.

[20:46] <farrell-VHL> 2Amen Bob !!

[20:46] <VCI-Bob> Ther, we don't really want to get into theological debates here - that's not the purpose of this - our understanding of who Jesus is is clear

[20:47] <stan-VHL> yes -- the end ofthe age and the soon return of our wonderful Messiah

[20:47] <Annie-VHL> You're right therssiousGod is three in one

[20:47] <Barbara-VHL> 2Hallelujah, Stan :-)

[20:47] <liz-VHL> amen stan

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> Well, called_out, the thing that makes us certain that these are different times.... for starters...

[20:47] <liz-VHL> wow what a day that will be

[20:47] <VCI-Bob> is the formation of Israel as a nation in 1948

[20:48] <Dex-VHL> 7You know yall I've read a whole lot of books on prophecy lately and no matter all the authors seem to agree on one thing. We are living in the last days?

[20:48] <stan-VHL> Can you hear it, thunder in the distance....horses hoofs pawing the ground, er, air

[20:48] <called_out-VHL> amen Stan

[20:48] <liz-VHL> ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[20:48] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Dex - the duration of the "last days" is uncertain, but it's getting very close

[20:48] <therssious-VHL> 10i agree dex and stan

[20:48] <kathy12> amen Stan

[20:48] <Barbara-VHL> 2I can hear it....brown horses, I think...

[20:48] <farrell-VHL> 2Yes, with anticipation Stan :)

[20:48] <liz-VHL> i try to imagine but cant

[20:48] <therssious-VHL> 10i feel it in to be the last

[20:49] <stan-VHL> i must tell you all that i am wondering about one thing.....

[20:49] <Annie-VHL> We are in the last days

[20:49] <Barbara-VHL> 2?

[20:49] <called_out-VHL> ? Stan

[20:49] <liz-VHL> ?

[20:49] <VCI-Bob> Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children. (Isaiah 66:8 NIV)

[20:49] <stan-VHL> while war is inevitable and an agreement with arafat looks virtually impossible right now...

[20:49] <stan-VHL> sorry - slow one hand typing...

[20:50] <Barbara-VHL> 2;-0

[20:50] <Barbara-VHL> 2:-)

[20:50] <Barbara-VHL> 2slow two hand typing

[20:50] <liz-VHL> lol barb

[20:50] <Dex-VHL> 7ditto

[20:50] <liz-VHL> i am typo QUEEN

[20:50] <stan-VHL> ...satan himself is pushing for this deal to be reached, and while he won't succeed in anything the LORD won't permit him to...

[20:51] <stan-VHL> it is not inconceivale that God will actually allow him to have his way....

[20:52] <VCI-Bob> That's the beauty of it, Stan - Satan has his plans, his plots, which are implemented by men on earth, but they all just play into the Lord's hand

[20:52] <liz-VHL> doesnt the antichrist have to be involved here

[20:52] <stan-VHL> beause some further apparent success on satan's part is clearly going to take place

[20:52] <farrell-VHL> 2Stan it may take something like this deal to soften the hearts of Israel and make them turn to Him. You think?

[20:52] <Barbara-VHL> 2satan proposes....G'd disposes!

[20:52] <farrell-VHL> 2that's good Barbara

[20:52] <stan-VHL> yes, to Bob, liz and Barb

[20:52] <Annie-VHL> I think there will be war and that they MUST REPENT and seek HIM then quickly HE will come and save

[20:53] <stan-VHL> farrell too - :)

[20:53] <justwatchin-VHL> can't miss this one, guys.... it's big enought to read

[20:53] <liz-VHL> do you think he is stan That comes from Miss Specualtion:)

[20:53] <VCI-Bob> Right - as we were discussing a little bit before, the "theme" to this play is man's great rebellion against the Lord, which will openly ignite when the man of sin comes on the scene - which sets the stage for the final triumph of the Son!

[20:53] <stan-VHL> this quote by a jew last week got me wondering again.....

[20:54] <stan-VHL> "The next step [will apparently include] the setting of His Honor Arafat's seat of government on the Temple Mount." - Yehuda Etzion, a long-time activist on behalf of Jewish rights on the Temple Mount

[20:54] <VCI-Bob> And, in the midst of that final act, we see Israel, long estranged, coming back, realizing, calling out to the Lord

[20:54] <liz-VHL> hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[20:55] <Annie-VHL> There you go that's the picture

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[20:55] <farrell-VHL> 2Arafat seated on the temple mount?? Can that be anything but antichrist?

[20:55] <red-VHL> j.w. just so you know when i scroll up to read previous messages i just cleared my screen so now i know i can't scrollup

[20:55] <stan-VHL> let me just say that while i am not expecting a deal while clinton is still in office, i will not be at all surprised if there is one

[20:55] <VCI-Bob> Arafat might dream of that, but it won't happen, I don't think

[20:56] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bob, did you boot JW?

[20:56] <Annie-VHL> Clinton makes me laugh, how hard can you puch for a deal

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[20:56] <VCI-Bob> because, if the temple is going to be rebuilt, which we know, major changes have to happen on the Temple Mount, and they won't involve an Arab triumph

[20:56] <VCI-Bob> nope, Bez

[20:57] <Barbara-VHL> 2maybe the good faries did!

[20:57] <kathy12> Something has to cause Israel to trun to God for her strength in war as in the past and she has to turn to Him for her protection something has to rile Israel enough that she calls on Him and probably at the very last minute

[20:57] <stan-VHL> bob - mostly i don't think so either, but there's a rather self-assured air being sported by yossi beilin and other top leftists in israel despite the visible signs of their peace plan's disintegration

[20:58] <stan-VHL> it may all be bluff of course, but beilin is one wily fox of a man, and a determined one

[20:58] <liz-VHL> stan barak has said the past few days he wont give up the mount yet arafat is so eager to go on.He would not want to continue if that was not included correct

[20:58] <Annie-VHL> Sstan who is beilin?

[20:58] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Last thing I saw, Arafat is whining about wanting part of the Western Wall....

[20:58] <farrell-VHL> 2what is Beilin's agenda Stan? Where does he stand in regard to peace negotiations?

[20:58] <red-VHL> i have to go guys getting a very bad headache. Pray i'm not getting to flu too. Mom's aren't allowed to get sick

[20:59] <liz-VHL> actually he said he wanted all of it bez

[20:59] <Barbara-VHL> 2take care, red...

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> I think it's interesting that each time Barak proposes something more dreadful regarding the giving away of the land, events happen to disrupt it

[20:59] <called_out-VHL> bye Red, God Bless

[20:59] <liz-VHL> oh sorry red i will pray sis

[20:59] <Barbara-VHL> 2hope you feel better in the morning

[20:59] <VCI-Bob> See ya Red! Shalom!

[20:59] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Take two aspirin, get lots of sleep, and let Dad do it all, Red. Get better. :-)

[20:59] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless Red. Hope you get to feeling better.

[20:59] <red-VHL> God's blessings to all of you

[20:59] <Annie-VHL> I'll pray for you red, good-night and God Bless

[20:59] <farrell-VHL> 2good night Red:)

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[21:00] <liz-VHL> well hubby is telling me to get off puter so i better :( :( :(

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Listen to these verses

[21:00] <Barbara-VHL> 2nite, liz

[21:00] <Barbara-VHL> 2shalom...:-)

[21:00] <Annie-VHL> Shalom Liz

[21:00] <farrell-VHL> 2Good night liz :)

[21:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Keep the faith Liz...God Blesses you.

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Band together, you peoples, and be dismayed; listen, all you far countries; gird yourselves and be dismayed; gird yourselves and be dismayed!

[21:00] <VCI-Bob> Devise your strategy, but it will be thwarted; propose your plan, but it will not stand, for God is with us. (Isaiah 8:9-10)

[21:01] <liz-VHL> nite all i will definitely check transcript

[21:01] <Barbara-VHL> 2amen to that, Bob

[21:01] <stan-VHL> sorri all, i have to bow out.....really sorry, bob can answer most these questions ...otherwise join me Monday night... :)

[21:01] <Barbara-VHL> 2See you Monday nite, Stan

[21:01] <kathy12> Night Stan

[21:01] <VCI-Bob> Great to see you Stan!!!

[21:01] <called_out-VHL> Goodnite Stan, see you Monday :)

[21:01] <Dex-VHL> 7May God bless you and keep you and your family safe.

[21:01] <Barbara-VHL> 2G'd b;less. Will be praying for Yannie, rest of family

[21:01] <farrell-VHL> 2God bless you Stan :) See you Monday, Lord willing.

[21:01] <stan-VHL> thanks :) shalom shalom :)

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[21:02] <kathy12> Health and Blessings to that little one and to all the fanily

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[21:02] <VCI-Bob> OK - where are we? Jumping around a lot tonight :)

[21:03] <Barbara-VHL> 2must be 20 minutes after....

[21:04] <Barbara-VHL> 2anybody still here?

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Since we just had Christmas.... did you know there is another place in the Bible besides Luke and Matthew that describes the birth of Jesus?

[21:04] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm here, but was wondering the same Barb.

[21:04] <VCI-Bob> Anyone remember where?

[21:05] <Barbara-VHL> 2thought I'd lost my place

[21:05] <kathy12> It is in the ot

[21:05] <kathy12> but I have forgotten what book

[21:05] <farrell-VHL> 2You talking about Isaiah 9?

[21:05] <Barbara-VHL> 2glad you were with me . Bez :-)

[21:05] <Annie-VHL> had to leave for a few min.

[21:05] <VCI-Bob> Yes, true, Kathy, but I'm thinking of the New Testament - Isaiah 9 is correct also

[21:06] <farrell-VHL> 2What about Rev. 12?

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> Revelation 12

[21:06] <Barbara-VHL> 2my goodness, Bez...

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> Right! :)

[21:06] <VCI-Bob> Let's look at that a little

[21:06] <Barbara-VHL> 2look up on your page...I can see where Bob said Hi to Stan coming in!!!

[21:06] <Barbara-VHL> 2a whole chunk of the log just left

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> It's one of those "broad brush" prophecies

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[21:07] <Barbara-VHL> 2Bez?

[21:07] <farrell-VHL> 2curious things are happening Barbara

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[21:07] <kathy12> can you post it Bob

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> Giving us God's perspective on things, as He takes a step back and views history from His perspective

[21:07] <Barbara-VHL> 2I think just is getting revenge...:-)

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> sure - here goes

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. (Revelation 12:1 NIV)

[21:07] <VCI-Bob> She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. (Revelation 12:2 NIV)

[21:08] <Barbara-VHL> 2You get the feeling that there is just Bob and Kathy in the room right now?

[21:08] <Barbara-VHL> 2:-)

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> The woman is Israel - this is a clear allusion to Joseph's dream, right?

[21:08] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I'm still here Barb.

[21:08] <kathy12> yes yes

[21:08] <farrell-VHL> 2yes, right :)

[21:08] <Barbara-VHL> 2yeah...but I think you and I are all by ourselves

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. (Revelation 12:3 NIV)

[21:08] <VCI-Bob> His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. (Revelation 12:4 NIV)

[21:09] <Annie-VHL> I'm here Barb

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> This is, of course, Satan

[21:09] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You aren't seeing Bob's discussion of Rev 12?

[21:09] <Barbara-VHL> 2oh goode! :_)

[21:09] <kathy12> yes

[21:09] <VCI-Bob> the "third of the stars" is probably speaking of a third of the angels following his rebellion

[21:09] <Barbara-VHL> 2jyes, but it just seems that no one else is talking ...? I don't know...just strange

[21:10] <kathy12> yes who followed him

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> And... the dragon wants to kill the child (Jesus)

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[21:10] <Dex-VHL> 7I'm just listening Barb.

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. (Revelation 12:5 NIV)

[21:10] <VCI-Bob> Here, in one verse, is His birth, and His ascension

[21:10] <Barbara-VHL> 2ok...guess I'm imagining stuff

[21:10] <Barbara-VHL> 2oh...ok

[21:11] <Barbara-VHL> 2:-)

[21:11] <kathy12> yes you are right

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> So... this passage views broad ranges of time in just a few words

[21:11] <Dex-VHL> 7:-)

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> the next event:

[21:11] <VCI-Bob> The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days. (Revelation 12:6 NIV)

[21:11] <Annie-VHL> Could be Bob

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> After Jesus ascension, the woman "fled" - it's past tense, but speaking of a future event, we think

[21:12] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, are there 2000 years between verse 5 and verse 6?

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> yes, Farrell

[21:12] <VCI-Bob> Many Bible teachers believe this speaks of Israel in the future, being protected by God, as we will see later in the chapter

[21:13] <Annie-VHL> boy how time flies:-)

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> yeah :)

[21:13] <farrell-VHL> 2thank you so much. I have pondered on that verse 6 and never before understood :)

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. (Revelation 12:7 NIV)

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. (Revelation 12:8 NIV)

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. (Revelation 12:9 NIV)

[21:13] <VCI-Bob> This war is yet future.....

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> it happens, apparently, at the same time as the antichrist comes into the open and declares himself as God

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> at the beginning of the last 3 1/2 years

[21:14] <Annie-VHL> Oh-OH

[21:14] <VCI-Bob> And all hell breaks loose on earth

[21:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And it is even worse, since Satan knows his time is short.

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. (Revelation 12:10 NIV)

[21:15] <Barbara-VHL> 2Body shuttting down, people...must go to bed...Shyalom...Love you...

[21:15] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Barbara.

[21:15] <VCI-Bob> The Divine announcement indicates it's the beginning of the end when this happens

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[21:16] <farrell-VHL> 2Good night Barbara :) God bless you with rest.

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> That the Kingdom of Jesus will soon commence

[21:16] <kathy12> oh Bob this is so much to take in at one gulp lol

[21:16] <Annie-VHL> I want to ask you all to keep praying every day for the Bush family until they're in o.k. and I too must go Good night and God Bless

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> But.... this is significant... those believers on the earth at the time are addressed in the next verse

[21:16] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Annie

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. (Revelation 12:11 NIV)

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> Night Annie :)

[21:16] <kathy12> Please post this tonight so we can go over and over and over it

[21:16] <VCI-Bob> I will, Kathy

[21:17] <farrell-VHL> 2good night Annie :)

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> This chapter is very important because it is a gives us a broad understanding of events

[21:17] <kathy12> and Bob God gives the people a special strength to resist right

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> Right, Kathy

[21:17] <VCI-Bob> Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short." (Revelation 12:12 NIV)

[21:18] <kathy12> oh brother that is when he really gets mad and shows out

[21:18] <VCI-Bob> So... the devil is thrown down to earth, and begins the implementation of his final plan at rebellion and destruction to mankind, through his minion the antichrist

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. (Revelation 12:13 NIV)

[21:19] <kathy12> being thrown down means he no longer has access to heaven at all at this time right

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> Right

[21:19] <kathy12> this woman is Israel ?

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> So what's Satan's response? To pursue Israel

[21:19] <VCI-Bob> yes

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[21:19] <VCI-Bob> The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. (Revelation 12:14 NIV)

[21:20] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And he will target Israel initially?

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> Compare that to verse 6:

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days. (Revelation 12:6 NIV)

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> Which we looked at

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> Right, Bez

[21:20] <kathy12> will this be only Jews who are safe there

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> both speak of Israel being taken care of for three and a half years

[21:20] <VCI-Bob> Apparently so, Kathy

[21:20] <kathy12> that is the last half

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Right

[21:21] <kathy12> so we must be taken up prior to that

[21:21] <farrell-VHL> 2Is this a believing Israel or are they still in unbelief?

[21:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And when God takes care of Israel by hiding them in the desert, Satan comes after the rest of the believers...

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> No, Kathy - we are mentioned in a few verses

[21:21] <kathy12> must be believing then because they are willing to go

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Don't know, Farrell

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Right, Bez

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. (Revelation 12:15 NIV)

[21:21] <VCI-Bob> But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. (Revelation 12:16 NIV)

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. (Revelation 12:17 NIV)

[21:22] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Faith check time!

[21:22] <kathy12> thats us

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> So.... that last verse indicates that because the Devil cannot get to Israel, he is enraged and instead turns his wrath against Christians

[21:22] <VCI-Bob> right

[21:22] <farrell-VHL> 2So, verse 17 either refers to Christians or the Jews have come to belief in Jesus?

[21:23] <VCI-Bob> those who "hold to the testimony of Jesus" - sounds like believers to me, Jews and Gentiles alike

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[21:23] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Karen!

[21:23] <farrell-VHL> 2right - both :)

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[21:23] <Dex-VHL> 7Hi Karen

[21:24] <kathy12> hi Karen

[21:24] <Karen-VHL> 2

[21:24] <Rich-VHL> 7hello freinds

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Which, corresponds to what we have seen at other places in the book of Daniel, where the "little horn" declares war on the saints and defeats them

[21:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2I don't see anything that gives Christians (Gentiles) a pass.

[21:24] <kathy12> Hi Tich

[21:24] <Karen-VHL> 2shalom everyone...how r u all this evening...?

[21:24] <Dex-VHL> 7Hi Rich

[21:24] <VCI-Bob> Hi Rich!

[21:25] <Rich-VHL> 7its good to see you all

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> We're doing well, Karen!

[21:25] <Karen-VHL> 2I can't stay too long...just got in from work a short time ago...but I wanted to pop in...

[21:25] <kathy12> OH my he should not be able to defeat us

[21:25] <Karen-VHL> 2Bob...are you saying that the little horn defeats the saints...?

[21:25] <kathy12> where is our protection Bob

[21:25] <VCI-Bob> He will "defeat" in a physical sense, but the Lord says our victory is in staying true to His Name even unto death

[21:26] <farrell-VHL> 2Bob, thank you! It is so encouraging to hear God's Word exposited with such love and joy in fellowship. I have to go now. Love to all of you in our precious Lord Jesus :)

[21:26] <kathy12> What purpose does the defeat serve

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> Night, Farrell!

[21:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Kathy, I think our protection is in the promise that if we stand firm, we'll be given life ever after.

[21:26] <Rich-VHL> 7God Bless farrell

[21:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night farrell

[21:26] <Karen-VHL> 2bob, any thoughts about all this?

[21:26] <kathy12> those who overcome and those who endure to the end ?

[21:26] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless Farrell

[21:26] <VCI-Bob> Good question Kathy - here's the purpose....

[21:27] <Karen-VHL> 2shalom farrell...

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[21:27] <Karen-VHL> 2good question Kathy..

[21:27] <kathy12> If I am going to loose my head I have to know why lol

[21:27] <VCI-Bob> throughout the ages, God has looked down on the earth to see who would seek Him, and who would ignore Him. He sent His Son so that we could be redeemed, but at the end of times, when "rebels become completely wicked" - mankind will be in full scale anarchy against the Lord.......

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[21:28] <Rich-VHL> 75thats how I feel too Bob

[21:28] <VCI-Bob> except for those who love Him - will stay true to His name, and bring glory to Him by standing for Him even whent the world thinks it's insane

[21:28] <kathy12> yes

[21:28] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Like now, huh, Bob?

[21:28] <Rich-VHL> 5yes

[21:28] <Karen-VHL> 2how close do you think we are to what you have described...

[21:29] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom All

[21:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Jerry!

[21:29] <kathy12> at least 6 years

[21:29] <Dex-VHL> 7HI Jerry

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Like now, but it's going to get much worse - now is a picnic - someday, we will be thought to be the most horrible people for loving Jesus

[21:29] <VCI-Bob> Don't know, Karen

[21:29] <Rich-VHL> 5Bob it says in the last book of Daniel that the power of the Holy people will be shatterd and then the end what do you make of that

[21:30] <kathy12> cant be before 6 can it Bob

[21:30] <Karen-VHL> 2kathy...do you think 2007 is the appoximate time frame?

[21:30] <Rich-VHL> 5hi jerry

[21:30] <Karen-VHL> 2bob...no clues..no idea whatsoever?

[21:30] <Jerry-VHL> I got bounced out of last Mondays chat, I hope I do better today

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Rich, it could be referring to this very thing - the antichrist will be allowed to try to destroy all that is good and holy, until God's wrath is poured out on the world in response to its rebellion

[21:31] <Karen-VHL> 2Shalom Jerry...just got on a few minutes ago..can't stay long....

[21:31] <kathy12> no I have no idea I just know that what we were talking about happening is around the 6the year into the trib

[21:31] <Jerry-VHL> Isn't it wonderful about the Christian Embassy's March. I will be lifting that in prayer

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> I don't get much into date speculations :)

[21:31] <Rich-VHL> 5I kinda think so too Bob

[21:31] <kathy12> when ever trib begins

[21:31] <kathy12> I dont like dates

[21:31] <kathy12> we dont know

[21:31] <Jerry-VHL> Me neither Karen, Just go in myself from running around.

[21:31] <VCI-Bob> Cuz I have no idea :)

[21:32] <Jerry-VHL> Haven't eaten at all today

[21:32] <Jerry-VHL> Accept the food from heaven

[21:32] <Rich-VHL> 5fasting Jerry

[21:32] <kathy12> I am loosing the train of thought Bob

[21:32] <Karen-VHL> 2kathy...i know but when you said six years I thought that you were of the persuasion of some that 2007 was the approximate time

[21:32] <Jerry-VHL> No, starving is more like it

[21:32] <Karen-VHL> 2Jerry..ditto here...

[21:32] <kathy12> no not me

[21:32] <Rich-VHL> 5why Jerry

[21:33] <VCI-Bob> like I saw on some kiddie show tonight "my train of thought is leaving the station" :)

[21:33] <Jerry-VHL> Been running around today, fed everyone else but me.

[21:33] <kathy12> I was just referring to the time frame within the trib time of 7 years

[21:33] <Rich-VHL> 5oh Ok Jerry

[21:33] <Rich-VHL> 5LOL

[21:34] <Karen-VHL> 2Jerry....you need to cut that out!...

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> We talk a lot of the seven years, but it seems to me that almost everywhere where it speaks of 3 1/2 years, it's the last 3 1/2 years

[21:34] <Jerry-VHL> What is the subject tonight, as if I didn't know

[21:34] <kathy12> ok so when the saints are defeated who will fight with Jesus the Jews

[21:34] <Karen-VHL> 2kathy...ok..I have heard several versions within the Christian circle....2001 - 2004, 2007...everybody has a view...

[21:34] <kathy12> this is when the battle of Armegedon is right

[21:34] <VCI-Bob> Kathy, we are only defeated in a sense - when the Lord returns in glory, we will be resurrected to join Him in the skies

[21:35] <kathy12> well I dont have any view of any date

[21:35] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Kathy, I always understood it would be the martyred saints who will be the Army of Heaven.

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> in our shiny new bodies, following Him in His army :)

[21:35] <Karen-VHL> 2bob...so essentially all the good guys are going to die..like as in martryed?

[21:35] <Rich-VHL> 5Bob what do you make of what Ezeikiel says in chapter 38 or 39 about Israel will burn the fuel of gogs armie for seven years could that be seven years before the Lord comes again

[21:35] <Karen-VHL> 2Bob..shiny bodies..?

[21:35] <VCI-Bob> In my viewpoint, most believers will be martyred, yes

[21:35] <kathy12> Yes we will come back with him I know but who on earth will join and greet Him

[21:36] <Karen-VHL> 2Rich....also the scripture says that it will take 7 years to bury all the dead..

[21:36] <Karen-VHL> 2Whoa....

[21:36] <Rich-VHL> 5I thought it was seven months Karen

[21:36] <VCI-Bob> Rich, many Bible teachers feel that because of that, Eze 38 and 39 speak of something before the final battle - I'm not so sure

[21:36] <Jerry-VHL> But don't they bury the dead after Christ returns taking vengeance

[21:36] <Rich-VHL> 5but still a lot of buring

[21:36] <kathy12> so it will basically be the Jews who are to greet Him and line up to fight with Him and us imortals lol

[21:37] <VCI-Bob> Kathy, we will join Him and greet Him, those of us who are alive in remain - that's what 1 Thess 4 says :)

[21:37] <Rich-VHL> 5I kinda think that we will not need fuel after Jesus comes again what do you all think

[21:37] <kathy12> but I thought all the saints were martered

[21:37] <Karen-VHL> 2Rich...I will have to check that...Jerry...remember how we have discussed this several times..is it 7 months or 7 years...I might just be a tad bit the el gong-go side about now...Rich your more than likely correct...oy!

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> not all, Kathy

[21:38] <Jerry-VHL> So, we are talking also about all those who have been killed for the Word of God sake since Christ ascended correct

[21:38] <kathy12> oh ok I misread that then

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. (1 Thessalonians 4:15 NIV)

[21:38] <Rich-VHL> 5your ok Karen

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (1 Thessalonians 4:16 NIV)

[21:38] <Bezalel-VHL> 2If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed [3] with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints. (NIV Rev 13:10)

[21:38] <Jerry-VHL> And then we which are alive

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thessalonians 4:17 NIV)

[21:38] <Jerry-VHL> now

[21:38] <Karen-VHL> 2Rich...could you tell my brain that! lol...

[21:38] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Bez - exactly - that's the mindset that Christians will need

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 5LOL Karen

[21:39] <kathy12> then when is the battle

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> very explicit

[21:39] <VCI-Bob> We will meet the Lord in the air, and fall into rank :)

[21:39] <Bezalel-VHL> 2The crucible for silver and the furnace for gold, but the LORD tests the heart. (NIV Proverbs 17:3)

[21:39] <Rich-VHL> 5can't wait for Him

[21:40] <Jerry-VHL> From all indications on the forums, a few people would like to see our demise

[21:40] <Rich-VHL> 5OH thats so true Jerry

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Getting a quick briefing on the battle plans, though we won't need to be too concerned about it :)

[21:40] <Karen-VHL> 2Jerry...you've got that straight!

[21:40] <kathy12> ok thanks got it now Sarg.

[21:40] <VCI-Bob> Cuz Jesus will handle it quite well :)

[21:40] <Rich-VHL> 5but we have to keep on fighting them Jerry

[21:41] <Bezalel-VHL> 2With his double-edged sword

[21:41] <Jerry-VHL> The sword is no good unless you use it

[21:41] <kathy12> I am going to be watching for that angel with the chains

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> "I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. (Luke 12:4 NIV)

[21:41] <VCI-Bob> But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. (Luke 12:5 NIV)

[21:42] <Jerry-VHL> Amen Bob

[21:42] <Dex-VHL> 7What threats yall?

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> An Islamic person has made death threats on the forums

[21:42] <VCI-Bob> big deal :)

[21:42] <Rich-VHL> 5Karen the threats are real enough for sure but the Lord will handle it for us

[21:42] <Dex-VHL> 7:-)

[21:42] <Jerry-VHL> The forums are now being renamed to VHL Battlefields according to Stan - Just joking, I think...

[21:42] <Rich-VHL> 5thats what they are though Jerry

[21:43] <Karen-VHL> 2kathy...on the forums...a couple of different people have directly threatned Bob and "each and every one of us on the boards"

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[21:43] <kathy12> oh my

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> Well, Karen, Islam is a religion based on jihad and violent defeat of all who stand in their way

[21:43] <Rich-VHL> 5Spiritual warfare Jerry for our King and Lord Jesus

[21:43] <Jerry-VHL> spiritual battles, that is what the Word of God has been training us for all these years

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> but we know who wins according to Jesus

[21:43] <VCI-Bob> "the meek"

[21:43] <kathy12> what did you say that allah was a moon god or something like that

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> It's the same person, probably

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[21:44] <VCI-Bob> Welcome, Skip!

[21:44] <Rich-VHL> 5true Bob but we have to defend our Faith and our lord

[21:44] <Jerry-VHL> Yes, we shall inherit all things and be joint heirs with God's people with Christ, if we remain stedfast

[21:44] <VCI-Bob> Stan was on earlier, for those who just came in

[21:44] <Rich-VHL> 5hello skip

[21:44] <skip-VHL> hi all

[21:45] <kathy12> Hi Skip

[21:45] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Skip

[21:45] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Skip

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> and expressed his great appreciation for those who have given monetary gifts for his family

[21:45] <VCI-Bob> Which, by the way, I'd encourage you to keep in mind - he still has no income

[21:45] <skip-VHL> How is Stan?

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[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Stan's very good, but he was nursing a sick Jan (baby has flue)

[21:46] <skip-VHL> 4Oh no poor baby

[21:46] <Karen-VHL> 2well we all need to pray for baby Jan...and of course Stan and family...

[21:46] <pie-VHL> 13hi to all and what is the topic for tonite

[21:46] <truth-VHL> 5Good morning all ye Saints

[21:46] <Dex-VHL> 7Terrorism is only useful if it gets peoples attention. the more attention is paid to it the more it is encouraged

[21:46] <Rich-VHL> 5we'll all say aprayer for her

[21:46] <VCI-Bob> Fear not!

[21:47] <Karen-VHL> 2good points kathy and Jerry...

[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 5hi pie

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Right, Dex

[21:47] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Hi Pie and Truth...

[21:47] <Karen-VHL> 2Shalom pie and truth..

[21:47] <Jerry-VHL> Hi Pie

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> You cannot be terrorized if you don't allow yourself to be :)

[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 5truth hello

[21:47] <pie-VHL> 13hi rich

[21:47] <pie-VHL> 13hi jerry

[21:47] <Rich-VHL> 5true Bob

[21:47] <truth-VHL> 5:-)hi

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> God said many times - "Be strong and very courageous - fear not"

[21:47] <kathy12> right Bob that is why it doesnt need to be addressed openly

[21:47] <VCI-Bob> Right

[21:47] <Karen-VHL> 2Right!

[21:47] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Truth

[21:48] <kathy12> People with that kind of mind read into what they want to see Bob

[21:48] <Jerry-VHL> Yes, let us all remember to life Stan and his family in prayer. He is right in the middle of it all.

[21:48] <Rich-VHL> 5I think those threats and our response is good for the world to read

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Islam may be successful in conquest, through their violent tactics, but they will fail in the end

[21:48] <Karen-VHL> 2Well, I need to go...hubby needs help with some paper work...If I finish soon enough I will check back...Shalom in Messiah and blessing to all...

[21:48] <skip-VHL> 4I thought VHL was bought out ,So when will Stan get paid

[21:48] <VCI-Bob> Night, Karen!

[21:48] <Karen-VHL> 2Jerry..I will catch up with you later...

[21:49] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Karen

[21:49] <Rich-VHL> 5see ya Karen

[21:49] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless you Karen

[21:49] <skip-VHL> 4WHAT THREATS???

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> VHL was bought out, but Stan's work permit was tied to the old company, and he does not yet have a new one

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[21:49] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom Karen, call me later if you have the time

[21:49] <Rich-VHL> 5it is forth comming though huh Bob

[21:49] <VCI-Bob> Uncertain, Rich

[21:50] <Rich-VHL> 5hmmmmmmm.

[21:50] <skip-VHL> 4wow

[21:50] <kathy12> Bob has Stan received the gifts yet

[21:50] <VCI-Bob> Stan did receive the initial gifts, yes, and he expressed his great thanks to all who helped

[21:50] <skip-VHL> 4A man of great honor who will work without pay

[21:51] <VCI-Bob> Yes, indeed, Skip

[21:51] <Rich-VHL> 5we all know its for the Lord

[21:51] <Jerry-VHL> Oh he'll get paid Skip, His reward awaits him.

[21:51] <skip-VHL> 4We LOVE YOU BOTH

[21:51] <pie-VHL> 13i have a ? did yassert arart i konow i am mispelling his name but did he agree to the peace talk

[21:51] <Rich-VHL> 5Amen Jerry

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Pie, yes, and no - the real answer is no - they told the press is was a conditional yes, but that was not really true

[21:52] <Rich-VHL> 5yes basicaly pie

[21:52] <skip-VHL> 4true Jerry but his children need food today

[21:52] <VCI-Bob> Arafat has not really moved at all from his entire demands

[21:52] <Rich-VHL> 5how true skip

[21:52] <kathy12> Could food be shipped to Stan Bob

[21:53] <Jerry-VHL> Your right Skip, I hope God mpves many hearts to help carry him through this until he can claim his gifts upstairs

[21:53] <kathy12> you could take some with you when you go

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> It was just more posturing, it seems - they are good at manipulating world opinion

[21:53] <kathy12> it seems like people will give food when they wont give money

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> Kathy, I think cash is better than goods probably

[21:53] <VCI-Bob> because of high shipping cost

[21:53] <Rich-VHL> 5I think so too

[21:53] <kathy12> yes but if we are not getting much to send then what

[21:54] <kathy12> what if everybody send him a can of something in the mail

[21:54] <VCI-Bob> Then - go door to door and ask for money for the "Stan and Franny fund" hahahaha

[21:54] <kathy12> is that ligit

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Well, Kathy, that's a good thought, but when you see the shipping cost for sending a can of something to Israel, it's better to just send cash

[21:55] <kathy12> thats an Idea Bob

[21:55] <kathy12> going door to door

[21:55] <VCI-Bob> Whatever works :)

[21:55] <kathy12> I an going to ask the boys to donate

[21:55] <Jerry-VHL> Bob, living in Israel is very expensive. If I send $25.00 what does that get ya

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> They'd get a kick out of that, I bet, Kathy

[21:56] <kathy12> yes they would

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> Jerry, every bit helps

[21:56] <kathy12> do you think you could send them a picture in return

[21:56] <VCI-Bob> I can mail you a picture of their family, Kathy

[21:56] <kathy12> or bring something special back from Israle for a keepsake at the home

[21:57] <Jerry-VHL> Would it be better to send them cash than a check when they change the money in for Israeli currency

[21:57] <kathy12> maybe some frankensense

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> Camel dung? Teenage boys would appreciate that :)

[21:57] <VCI-Bob> Checks are fine, Jerry

[21:57] <skip-VHL> 4:->

[21:57] <kathy12> oh lol yea thats perfect Bob mounted

[21:58] <VCI-Bob> LOL

[21:59] <skip-VHL> 4so tell me WHAT THREATS???

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 5on the forums skip

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Skip, a Muslim on the boards is making threats - no big deal

[21:59] <skip-VHL> 4OH

[21:59] <Jerry-VHL> I am being pressured to get off the internet by those who need to use the phone. Shalom to all and many blessings upon you all. I wish I could stay longer but... For consideration for my family I must.

[21:59] <skip-VHL> 4noy good

[21:59] <VCI-Bob> Shalom Jerry!

[21:59] <truth-VHL> 5Bob please tell stal "South Africa" is praying for him

[21:59] <Jerry-VHL> Shalom

[21:59] <kathy12> bye Jerry

[21:59] <Rich-VHL> 5God Bless Jerry

[21:59] <skip-VHL> 4SHALOM JERRY

[22:00] <Dex-VHL> 7God Bless you Jerry

[22:00] <truth-VHL> 5Stan

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[22:00] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Jerry

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Truth, he will read this, and know you are praying - it's much appreciated!

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> Especially from one of his fellow countryment

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> countrymen

[22:00] <truth-VHL> 5good i am going to the prayer room right now

[22:00] <VCI-Bob> :)

[22:00] <pie-VHL> 13i have another ? IN IIsamuel 1:18 what do they means when they mention the book of jashar now !what book is that?

[22:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Truch

[22:01] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Truth

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> let me look

[22:01] <Rich-VHL> 5by truth

[22:01] <skip-VHL> 4CU TRUTH

[22:01] <truth-VHL> 5bye for now

[22:01] <kathy12> Bye Truth

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> David took up this lament concerning Saul and his son Jonathan, (2 Samuel 1:17 NIV)

[22:01] <VCI-Bob> and ordered that the men of Judah be taught this lament of the bow (it is written in the Book of Jashar): (2 Samuel 1:18 NIV)

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[22:02] <Rich-VHL> 5a lost book Bob

[22:02] <kathy12> what is a lament

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> Pie, in the books of Chronicles and Kings especially, the writers refer to other contemporary writings

[22:02] <pie-VHL> 13where is that book

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> that are no longer in existence

[22:02] <VCI-Bob> other records of the events of that time

[22:02] <pie-VHL> 13why are they not bob

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> A lament is a song of sorrow and woe

[22:03] <kathy12> I feel a word study coming on lol

[22:03] <VCI-Bob> Well, I guess because God did not intend for them to become a part of the Scriptures directly, and like most ancient writings they are lost

[22:04] <Rich-VHL> 5God tells us what He wants us to know

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> Which, by the way, is strong evidence for the veracity of the Scriptures - everything God intended to become part of His written Word has been preserved with overwhelming textual evidence

[22:04] <pie-VHL> 13was it in the bilbe and why it was remove out did GOD said not to take away from this book /do not add

[22:04] <skip-VHL> 4amen Rich

[22:04] <VCI-Bob> No, it was not part of the canon of the Scriptures

[22:05] <pie-VHL> 13yes kathy i really need it because i love study my FATHER wordm

[22:05] <Dex-VHL> 7it was not part of the Bible as far as I understand it pie.

[22:05] <VCI-Bob> there are other books referred to - Paul even quoted contemporary secular poets of his day

[22:05] <kathy12> me too I love to do word studies

[22:06] <pie-VHL> 13oh hhhhh kkkkkkthanks dex

[22:06] <kathy12> I have been trying to find out about the Nicolatians that God hates mentioned in Rev

[22:06] <skip-VHL> 4do you have a Strongs Concordnance?

[22:06] <kathy12> and Balam that is mentioned there too

[22:06] <kathy12> yes

[22:06] <Rich-VHL> 5Bob can you give us some scripture that tells of what is happening in Israel right now

[22:06] <kathy12> Ihave a lot of ref just not time skip lol

[22:07] <skip-VHL> 4I understand

[22:07] <skip-VHL> 4:-)

[22:07] <kathy12> too many interuptions lol

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> Kathy - it seems that the Nicolatians may not have been a specific group - not much is known of them if they were - but perhaps stood more for a kind of thinking and behavior

[22:07] <VCI-Bob> Thinking, Rich

[22:07] <kathy12> yes that is what I have been gathering Bob difficult to find out about them

[22:08] <pie-VHL> 13still growing in HIS hHOLY words

[22:08] <skip-VHL> 4maybe like Republicans or Democrates?

[22:08] <Rich-VHL> 5we will know some day Kathy

[22:08] <Dex-VHL> 7Good night yall and God Bless. See you Monday........hopefully.

[22:08] <kathy12> lol skip you are probably right lol wonder which one

[22:08] <pie-VHL> 13i had one but i gave it to my pastor skip

[22:08] <Rich-VHL> 5God Bless you too Dex

[22:08] <VCI-Bob> How about this Rich...

[22:09] <skip-VHL> 4:->

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> See ya Dex! Shalom!

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[22:09] <VCI-Bob> Awake, awake! Rise up, O Jerusalem, you who have drunk from the hand of the LORD the cup of his wrath, you who have drained to its dregs the goblet that makes men stagger. (Isaiah 51:17 NIV)

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> ........

[22:09] <skip-VHL> 4BYE DEX

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> This is what your Sovereign LORD says, your God, who defends his people: "See, I have taken out of your hand the cup that made you stagger; from that cup, the goblet of my wrath, you will never drink again. (Isaiah 51:22 NIV)

[22:09] <VCI-Bob> I will put it into the hands of your tormentors, who said to you, 'Fall prostrate that we may walk over you.' And you made your back like the ground, like a street to be walked over." (Isaiah 51:23 NIV)

[22:10] <kathy12> perfect for the day Bob

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> A vivid picture

[22:10] <Rich-VHL> 5very good Bob

[22:10] <skip-VHL> 4yes

[22:10] <Rich-VHL> 5tells it like it is doesn't it

[22:10] <kathy12> because that is just like what they are doing to think of giving away th land

[22:10] <VCI-Bob> The Lord taking the cup out of the hand of Israel, which they had drained, and giving it to their tormentors

[22:11] <kathy12> I am ready to see that happen

[22:11] <Rich-VHL> 5its happening Kathy

[22:11] <skip-VHL> 4yup

[22:11] <Rich-VHL> 5we just need a little more time

[22:11] <kathy12> I hope He fills it up again before He gives it to them tho

[22:12] <Rich-VHL> 5oh He will I'm sure of that Kathy

[22:12] <kathy12> it may be getting ready to happen but I dont think it has happened yet

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> They have taken a very long drink from the cup, sadly - for centuries - but it's just about time for the cup to be passed

[22:12] <skip-VHL> 4and overflowing

[22:12] <VCI-Bob> In the hand of the LORD is a cup full of foaming wine mixed with spices; he pours it out, and all the wicked of the earth drink it down to its very dregs. (Psalms 75:8 NIV)

[22:13] <skip-VHL> 4Bob where are you tonight?

[22:13] <Rich-VHL> 5Issaiah 17 is about to happen

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[22:13] <VCI-Bob> I'm in Tampa

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, said to me: "Take from my hand this cup filled with the wine of my wrath and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. (Jeremiah 25:15 NIV)

[22:13] <VCI-Bob> When they drink it, they will stagger and go mad because of the sword I will send among them." (Jeremiah 25:16 NIV)

[22:13] <kathy12> lol Bob I thought you were in an airplain

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[22:13] <VCI-Bob> So I took the cup from the Lord's hand and made all the nations to whom he sent me drink it: (Jeremiah 25:17 NIV)

[22:14] <kathy12> I got interupted when you were talking about flying and I thought you were flying now lol

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> "Then tell them, 'This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you.' (Jeremiah 25:27 NIV)

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> But if they refuse to take the cup from your hand and drink, tell them, 'This is what the LORD Almighty says: You must drink it! (Jeremiah 25:28 NIV)

[22:14] <kathy12> who is talking here

[22:14] <pie-VHL> 13do you think it will get better or worse in isreal

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Read Jeremiah 25 - it's very interesting

[22:14] <kathy12> Bob who is the I in that

[22:14] <VCI-Bob> Both, pie

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> in v 17, it's Jeremiah

[22:15] <kathy12> It can not be Jer. for he will not be there

[22:15] <VCI-Bob> in v 27 it's the Lord

[22:15] <Rich-VHL> 5our God is about to show the world just who He is folks and I can't wait

[22:15] <skip-VHL> 4amen

[22:15] <kathy12> vs 25 Bob

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> well, Kathy - when the Lord gave His word to the prophets, it was as if they were in a sense executing it

[22:16] <kathy12> who is going to take the cup from tha lord

[22:16] <Rich-VHL> 5the nations against Him Kathy

[22:16] <VCI-Bob> I think it's Jeremiah, looking to the future

[22:17] <Rich-VHL> 5mostly the arab nations right now Kathy

[22:17] <kathy12> Jer is speaking but I wonder if there will be a future somebody in Jer place so to speak

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> For example:

[22:17] <VCI-Bob> Therefore I cut you in pieces with my prophets, I killed you with the words of my mouth; my judgments flashed like lightning upon you. (Hosea 6:5 NIV)

[22:17] <kathy12> yes but that is the Lord speaking this is different Bob

[22:17] <Rich-VHL> 5then the whole world

[22:17] <pie-VHL> 13where is the babylon

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> When the Lord spoke through the prophets, it was as if He was speaking directly

[22:18] <Rich-VHL> 5on long Island New York pie

[22:18] <skip-VHL> 4Irac

[22:18] <Rich-VHL> 5east and west babylon

[22:18] <VCI-Bob> (which is why, by the way, people should not treat "prophesy" so lightly today)

[22:19] <skip-VHL> 4ammen

[22:19] <VCI-Bob> Either the written word, or people speaking words supposedly from God

[22:19] <kathy12> Bob read vs 25 it appears that it is Jer who is going to take the cup from the Lord but if this is prophetic Jer wont be there but somebody has to take the cup from the Lord

[22:19] <skip-VHL> 4amen

[22:19] <Rich-VHL> 5thats why I think the u.s.a. is babylon of Revelations

[22:19] <Bezalel-VHL> 2But we must also be aware of the false prophets, Bob...

[22:20] <pie-VHL> 13did sadan really stop the oil supply to the us?

[22:20] <skip-VHL> 4mystery Babylon

[22:20] <Rich-VHL> 5yes skip

[22:20] <kathy12> sorry Bob vs 17

[22:20] <pie-VHL> 13i heard that before rich

[22:20] <VCI-Bob> That's what I mean, Bez - many today speak "thus saith the Lord" presumptuously - it's a grave offense

[22:20] <Rich-VHL> 5yes it is Bob

[22:20] <skip-VHL> 4we'll see soon enough

[22:21] <VCI-Bob> I didn't really make myself clear earlier

[22:21] <Rich-VHL> 5don't wnat to see it in a way skip but I want the Lord jesus to come back soon

[22:21] <Bezalel-VHL> 2But, on the other hand, Bob, we may tend to overlook some truly valid prophets, believing they are mad...

[22:23] <skip-VHL> 4if new prophecy conflicts in any way with the Bible it is false

[22:23] <Rich-VHL> 5maybe Bez but only for a little while I think

[22:23] <kathy12> have any of you visited the christian chat on Yahoo latley

[22:23] <VCI-Bob> If we have the Spirit, we should be able do discern between the true and the false, right? Problem is, today, everyone is so eager for a "word from the Lord" when they don't pay much attention to what He's already said

[22:23] <kathy12> it is terrible

[22:23] <kathy12> I have never seen such in my entire life

[22:23] <Rich-VHL> 5thats right Bob

[22:24] <kathy12> and besides didnt He say He has already said all there was to say

[22:24] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Yes, Bob. You're absolutely right. I'll take Jeremiah, Isaiah, Joel, Daniel, Hosea, etc. any time.

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> amen Bez :)

[22:24] <kathy12> nothing new

[22:24] <VCI-Bob> I know, Kathy

[22:24] <skip-VHL> 4new age religion is very dangerous

[22:25] <Rich-VHL> 5right skip

[22:25] <Bezalel-VHL> 2You've got that right, Skip.

[22:25] <kathy12> you sure do Skip

[22:25] <Bezalel-VHL> 2New age would have us all worship ourselves....

[22:26] <Rich-VHL> 5terrible huh Bez

[22:26] <pie-VHL> 13that was very strong and powerful beza

[22:26] <skip-VHL> 4dont forget John the Revelator

[22:26] <kathy12> and a tree planted by Gore

[22:26] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And, I know I'm just a sinner looking for some grace and salvation.

[22:26] <Rich-VHL> 5me too Bez

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> Amazingly dumb, huh - even the thought of it - how flawed we are

[22:26] <skip-VHL> 4amen BEX

[22:26] <kathy12> I am the worst Bez

[22:26] <skip-VHL> 4BEZ

[22:26] <VCI-Bob> Here's what Isaiah says about that:

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> "This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. (Isaiah 44:6 NIV)

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare and lay out before me what has happened since I established my ancient people, and what is yet to come-- yes, let him foretell what will come. (Isaiah 44:7 NIV)

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one." (Isaiah 44:8 NIV)

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> All who make idols are nothing, and the things they treasure are worthless. Those who would speak up for them are blind; they are ignorant, to their own shame. (Isaiah 44:9 NIV)

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> Who shapes a god and casts an idol, which can profit him nothing? (Isaiah 44:10 NIV)

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> He and his kind will be put to shame; craftsmen are nothing but men. Let them all come together and take their stand; they will be brought down to terror and infamy. (Isaiah 44:11 NIV)

[22:27] <kathy12> Isiah said somethng about almost everything didnt he Bob

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> The blacksmith takes a tool and works with it in the coals; he shapes an idol with hammers, he forges it with the might of his arm. He gets hungry and loses his strength; he drinks no water and grows faint. (Isaiah 44:12 NIV)

[22:27] <VCI-Bob> The carpenter measures with a line and makes an outline with a marker; he roughs it out with chisels and marks it with compasses. He shapes it in the form of man, of man in all his glory, that it may dwell in a shrine. (Isaiah 44:13 NIV)

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> Look at that last verse - "of man in all his glory" - Isaiah being sarcastic

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> but it's the same spirit of the new age

[22:28] <kathy12> yes in a shrine

[22:28] <kathy12> look at all the museums now with wax men

[22:28] <VCI-Bob> They know nothing, they understand nothing; their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see, and their minds closed so they cannot understand. (Isaiah 44:18 NIV)

[22:29] <Rich-VHL> 5Amen

[22:29] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And he wasn't just talking about the idols, either.

[22:29] <pie-VHL> 13AMEN WOWWWWWWWW

[22:29] <pie-VHL> 13THAT WAS SO DEEP

[22:29] <skip-VHL> 4Thank you BOB

[22:29] <kathy12> Boy how scripture opens up

[22:29] <Rich-VHL> 5right there Bez

[22:29] <kathy12> yes thanks Bob

[22:29] <kathy12> Well all this has been really great

[22:30] <Rich-VHL> 5hasn't it Kathy

[22:30] <kathy12> Thank you Bob for sharing with us once again and blessing us mightly

[22:30] <kathy12> See you all next time

[22:30] <Rich-VHL> 5it always is

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> Yes, it speaks to today - as He says, remember that they are "nothing but men" v 11

[22:30] <VCI-Bob> See ya Kathy! God bless!

[22:30] <kathy12> Blessings to all

[22:30] <kathy12> Good night

[22:30] <Rich-VHL> 5God Bless kathy

[22:30] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Kathy

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[22:31] <skip-VHL> 4Bob is Barak as eager to do something as Clinton is before he leaves office?

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> Barak is a very desperate man, with the Feb election looming for him

[22:31] <Bezalel-VHL> 2And trailing to Sharon in the polls...

[22:31] <VCI-Bob> his decisions are viewed by many as extremely self-serving

[22:32] <skip-VHL> 4seems so

[22:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2As are Clinton's..

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> Right

[22:32] <Rich-VHL> 5I gotta go too freinds lets all stay in the Love of our Lord Jesus God Bless you all

[22:32] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Night Rich.

[22:32] <VCI-Bob> NIght Rich! Shalom!

[22:32] <skip-VHL> 4Shalom Rich

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[22:33] <skip-VHL> 4can only look to future with Yeshua

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> Yes, Skip - may He deepen in each of us our love for Him

[22:34] <VCI-Bob> We need it

[22:34] <skip-VHL> 4I see the SEASON

[22:34] <skip-VHL> 4AMEN

[22:35] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Bob, I too would like to thank you for leading in the right direction. The prophets have come allive through your chats.

[22:35] <pie-VHL> 1312when is the next bible study

[22:35] <skip-VHL> 4well I guess its that time again to say SHALOM FRIENDS

[22:35] <pie-VHL> 12shalom skip

[22:35] <VCI-Bob> Bez, I'm so happy about that - that's my objective

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> Shalom, Skip! God bless you

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> Pie, every Thursday night here

[22:36] <skip-VHL> 4May the L-RD BLESS YOU

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> and Monday's with Stan for Politics Chat from Jerusalem

[22:36] <skip-VHL> 4CU :-)

[22:36] <Bezalel-VHL> 2On that smoozing note, I'll take my leave. Night to all, and God Bless!

[22:36] <VCI-Bob> Night, Bez :)

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[22:37] <Bezalel-VHL> 2Don't forget that Delta's Tuesday nights starts next week.

[22:37] <pie-VHL> 12thanks bob i really enjoyed this very much may GOD contiune to bless you to bless other especially me

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[22:37] <VCI-Bob> Glad you enjoyed it Pie! :)

[22:37] <pie-VHL> 12well bless you and israel

[22:38] <pie-VHL> 12see you next week

[22:38] <VCI-Bob> See you! Shalom!

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